The Conan and Jordan Show – Geddy Lee

On this episode of “The Conan and Jordan Show”, Conan and Jordan are joined by Geddy Lee for an in-depth conversation on RUSH and the audio intricacies that Jordan appreciates with their music.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:02Conan O'Brien?

  Who do you shop for first on the holidays, Sony? Was it, do you shop for the kids or do you shop for Tac?

• 0:06Conan O'Brien?

  My kids.

• 0:07Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 0:07Conan O'Brien?

  Or Oki.

• 0:08Conan O'Brien?

  You gotta get them their stuff.

• 0:08Conan O'Brien?

  Or my dog.

• 0:09Conan O'Brien?

  And then your husband is last. Well, guess what? It's that time of year. You feel that, you smell that cinnamon cider in the air? Do you smell that?

• 0:18Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 0:19Conan O'Brien?

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• 1:09Conan O'Brien?

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• 1:15Conan O'Brien?

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• 1:57Conan O'Brien?

  Well, that iconic song can only mean one thing. It's the Conan and Jordan Show. And I'm joined, of course, I'm Conan O'Brien, I know that shouldn't have to be said. And I'm joined by my enemy, my friend, my frenemy, a man I loathe, a man I love, Mr. Jordan Schlansky.

• 2:20Speaker 02

  Yes, hi.

• 2:21Conan O'Brien?

  You've been in my employ for how many years now, Jordan?

• 2:23Speaker 02

  Decades.

• 2:24Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 2:25Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:25Conan O'Brien?

  Nice.

• 2:26Speaker 02

  And you bring up that iconic song, Tom Sawyer by Rush, that starts our show. I would like to point out that longtime listeners of our show may have noticed something a little different today in that our engineer Eduardo graciously played my preferred mastering of that song. This is not the readily available mastering that any fool would get on a streaming service these days.

• 2:47Conan O'Brien?

  Any fool?

• 2:48Speaker 02

  Okay, I have put a lot of time and money into seeking out the best version of all of my favorite music. I have bought probably 20 versions of that album on various media.

• 2:58Conan O'Brien?

  Great. Well, better than that than have your kids go to college.

• 3:04Speaker 02

  These are hobbies. We all have our hobbies.

• 3:06Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  Okay, these are benevolent pursuits. You spend your money on various hobbies. I believe you have a collection of guitars.

• 3:13Conan O'Brien?

  No, they were all given to me.

• 3:15Speaker 02

  I understand. Well, that's impressive.

• 3:17Conan O'Brien?

  That's cool when you just know famous people, they give you guitars.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  Yes, well, we can all aspire to that level.

• 3:21Conan O'Brien?

  So this is a special, this, to cut to the chase, this is a, what's different about this pressing of that song?

• 3:27Speaker 02

  Okay. Like all of us, I like music. Some say the language of music is older than the word language itself. Music is a great unifier, much like food, okay? When we all disagree on so many things, we all appreciate music. I go one step further. I like to have the best version of music to listen to. I like my music to sound as good as possible. Back in the 70s, when you were growing up, you might have called me a hi-fi guy, okay? So for any given musical release...

• 3:56Conan O'Brien?

  I'd have a different term for you now, but this goes out to families, so I'm not gonna do it. So, again, I'm gonna try and get you to the point, rather than taking us to...

• 4:03Speaker 02

  Well, this is a radio show. We talk. That is our, that is our venture here. We are here to talk.

• 4:08Conan O'Brien?

  What is different about this pressing?

• 4:09Speaker 02

  You interrupt my talking, but that's the whole point of the show.

• 4:12Conan O'Brien?

  What's different about this pressing?

• 4:12Speaker 02

  Okay. There are many, back in the day, before things were standardized...

• 4:16Conan O'Brien?

  You keep going back to the day. I just wanna know what's different about this pressing.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  This is a spoken word program, is that correct?

• 4:23Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  Okay, so I am speaking words, alright? That is what I was told the assignment was, alright? I'm here to complete the assignment, alright? Today, we're gonna spend, I don't know, a half hour talking about different-

• 4:35Conan O'Brien?

  Guess what, you just passed that mark.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  Different CD pressings, okay? So now, things are kinda standardized in the digital age. But back in the eighties and nineties, my preferred musical genres, any given CD pressing might have a different sound to it. If you bought a CD of a given album in Japan, it would sound different than one in West Germany.

• 4:52Conan O'Brien?

  Yes, yes.

• 4:53Speaker 02

  Okay, so Rush Moving Pictures is the album in question, 1981. It was released on various media, of course, vinyl. Now, that's very expensive, so keep your greasy fingers off of it. You can touch the case, I don't want it on the disc, okay?

• 5:05Conan O'Brien?

  I wasn't gonna touch the disc. How did you know that I had liquid grease for lunch?

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Well, I've known you for decades, and we've had these experiences before. So, basically, I have an inquest. This is actually a very well-recorded album and very well-mixed, a lot of dynamics. But in recent releases, those dynamics are squashed. There's a trend to make digital releases of music sound as loud as possible, okay? Nobody wants their song to sound quieter on the radio or on a streaming service compared to the song next to it. You know, your body language makes me feel a bit rushed. This is gonna take a while, okay?

• 5:40Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 5:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is not punching stuff, this is a slow burn.

• 5:44Conan O'Brien?

  No pun intended, I did not mean to rush you.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, you got something?

• 5:49Conan O'Brien?

  Do I have something?

• 5:50Speaker 02

  Yes. Okay.

• 5:51Conan O'Brien?

  I have a little-

• 5:52Speaker 02

  I guess this is more important than what I was talking about.

• 5:54Conan O'Brien?

  I think you're gonna agree that it is.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 5:56Conan O'Brien?

  I have a special guest for you today, who's joining us right now.

• 5:59Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 5:59Conan O'Brien?

  Let's get him in here, I think this is a big moment. There he is, Geddy Lee!

• 6:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yes.

• 6:05Conan O'Brien?

  What do you mean, "oh, yes"?

• 6:07Speaker 02

  Speak of the devil.

• 6:08Conan O'Brien?

  This is your god! Geddy, how are you? Great to see you.

• 6:12Speaker 03

  I'm good.

• 6:13Conan O'Brien?

  I can't believe, I can't believe I just-

• 6:15Speaker 03

  I'm learning so much about records.

• 6:19Conan O'Brien?

  And you go, "oh, yes." A freak!

• 6:23Speaker 02

  Okay, for anyone that doesn't know, we've been joined by Geddy Lee. I believe your original name was Gary Levy, Toronto, Canada, perhaps? A man of Willada.

• 6:32Speaker 03

  Yes, I was born Gary Lee Wainwright.

• 6:36Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 6:36Speaker 03

  And I changed it to Geddy Lee, which is a long story.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 6:41Conan O'Brien?

  Where are you right now, Geddy? Where are you zooming in to us from?

• 6:45Speaker 03

  I'm at home in Toronto.

• 6:47Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 6:47Speaker 03

  Toronto, Canada.

• 6:48Conan O'Brien?

  Lovely. And first of all, let me thank you, Getty, because you are an iconic musician. You're a big deal, and for you to join our ridiculous show is very cool. And so, thank you so much for doing that. The reason I wanted you to join is I talked to Jordan. We've traveled the world together. We have a famous relationship. I think forty percent of the time, Jordan is trying to talk to me about you, your music. And it's very flattering, but I thought you should come together now and you should talk to Jordan. Because Jordan claims that this pressing is much better, of superior quality. Can you hear the difference, Getty?

• 7:34Speaker 03

  I'm learning so much today. I can tell you from Jordan, just listening to you guys talk about this stuff. There was a time I could hear the difference. I couldn't swear to hear the difference today because I'm a little bit older and my hearing isn't what it used to be. But audiophiles know far more about that quality of sound than the guys that actually make the records, I think.

• 7:55Conan O'Brien?

  Isn't that incredible? Jordan is basing his whole life, it's like a religion to him, that this is the only version that can be played. You, Getty Lee, can't hear the difference.

• 8:06Speaker 02

  I understand that. Nevertheless, I appreciate what he's done. And now I want to hear his work in the best way possible. It's really honoring him and his bandmates.

• 8:14Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 8:15Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 8:16Conan O'Brien?

  All right.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  So I like a dynamic version. Now, my favorite recording or mastering of Moving Pictures was actually an original Dutch vinyl record. And there is a famous digital rip of that online, and I requested permission to play it on air, and I was unable to obtain that permission.

• 8:31Conan O'Brien?

  Getty, are you feeling, are you feeling at all unsafe right now? Are you feeling that you're in the presence of, I don't know, a madman? Someone who...

• 8:41Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm very impressed and I understand that the Rush fans are quite nerdy as I am myself and this is sort of living proof of that, I think. If you know the Dutch pressing of one of our records, that is, if that doesn't qualify for nerdism, I don't know what to do.

• 9:00Conan O'Brien?

  Thank you for identifying the exact nature of the illness.

• 9:04Speaker 02

  Well, you're a nerd. These men and their engineers at Les Studio in Morehead Heights, Quebec, in 1980, 1981, spent a lot of time to get a certain sound, okay? They experimented with different techniques, digital technology was new at that time. Their drummer Neil Peart wore a microphone taped to his chest to get a drummer's perspective.

• 9:23Conan O'Brien?

  You know, it might be interesting to hear Geddy Lee talk about Rush. Geddy, would you like to say anything about those days and some of the innovations and what the sound you were going after? Are we gonna let R2-D2 over here spit out this bullshit? Go ahead Geddy Lee, you have the microphone.

• 9:40Speaker 03

  I'd be happy to chime in.

• 9:41Conan O'Brien?

  Yes.

• 9:42Speaker 03

  But, but yes, Jason, you're correct.

• 9:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 9:46Conan O'Brien?

  It's Jordan, by the way.

• 9:48Speaker 02

  Kind of a mistake.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  When we recorded at Les Studio, we were one of the first bands, certainly in the genre of music we were making, to use a digital mix down system and, and, you know, computerized mixing. It was kind of a new thing in 1980, so we experimented with a lot of that kind of stuff and, and it was not easy because you're wrestling with new technology, but you're, you're quite right that rock bands were not doing that because they were one of the last of the genre to convert from analog to digital and a lot of people were questioning the validity of

• 10:33Speaker 03

  digital music for hard rock. Anyway, it was a hell of a good sound, a hell of a good noise that we ended up with and we spent, you know, weeks. If not months at the studio in the snow in the winter of 1980. So, um, yeah, it was, uh, and Neil Dennehy has a microphone taped to his chest, particularly, I think, for the song Vital Signs. So we can get, uh, the sound that he hears in terms of that. There's a certain impact the drummer gets from his drum kit.

• 11:08Conan O'Brien?

  Sure.

• 11:08Speaker 03

  That nobody else can hear because they're in front of the drums and not sitting behind the kit. So we wanted to blend some of that in. So all those nerdy facts are true.

• 11:17Conan O'Brien?

  Um, and thank you for doubling down the nerdy thing. But Geddy, um, I'm curious, uh, did you, could you have had any idea back in 1980, you're up in Quebec, that all these years later, I mean, here we are, um, some 44 years later, and that someone like a Jordan, and, and Jordan is not, I mean, Jordan's very peculiar, but Rush fans really know this stuff. That's gotta, it must blow your mind to think that what you guys were doing back then is now, uh, chapter and verse. It's, it's like talking about something in the Bible or the Talmud. It's, it's gotta be kind of freaky for you, huh?

• 12:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, it is. The level of our fan, uh, the level of knowledge that our fan base possesses is quite, uh, daunting. Uh, and they, like you did at the beginning of the show, talking about pressings, et cetera, et cetera. But, um, we've been lucky to have such a dedicated fan base. I don't think we would have ever made it into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame without their fervent, uh, pleas to, to put us in there. But, um, certainly, uh, I'm grateful to their level of nerdism and their fanaticism, but they do know more about us than, than we can even remember. I can assure you of that.

• 12:39Conan O'Brien?

  Now Geddy, this is an awkward question, but say Jordan were to show up outside your home in Toronto, would you invite him in and let him stay for a week?

• 12:47Speaker 03

  Fuck no. Sorry, am I allowed to say that?

• 12:57Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, that was the greatest thing that ever happened. Geddy Lee, thank you so much. Uh, Jordan, um, I'm sorry, but uh, that's just the answer. That's the answer. That's the way it's gonna have to be.

• 13:08Speaker 02

  I, look, I appreciate the music. I, I understand that we don't need to know each other in real life. I respect that professional distance. Nevertheless, I appreciate the music. I have many things to say which will go unsaid today and uh, stay for another day.

• 13:23Conan O'Brien?

  You have a chance to ask him anything you want. Yeah, this is your chance. This is your big chance. Shoot it with your fire away.

• 13:28Speaker 02

  More so requests than questions. I've educated myself on most of the knowledge base out there. But of course, there are requests, certain material I would like to see. There was a 1990, 1990 concert at the Palace of Auburn Hills, Michigan on the Presto Tour. Um, it was shot by the in-house cameras at the venue and parts of it were released on a uh, special um, album uh, release a few years ago, but it wasn't the entire concert. I'd like to see the entire concert on video of that Presto show because that was my first concert, April 1990.

• 14:00Conan O'Brien?

  Do you, do you know what he's talking about, Geddy?

• 14:03Speaker 03

  Uh, vaguely, actually. Uh, I think uh, some of those venues did record our shows back then. There is a show um, that we did record in 1997 in Toronto at the amphitheater that we have yet to release, but there is some talk about doing something with that, but uh, time will tell. And I don't remember that particular uh, footage that you're talking about.

• 14:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was, it was released under the name Through the Rabbit Hole. And I understand the artist doesn't necessarily oversee every aspect of this. That would be incredibly tiresome. Um, and that's not his responsibility. His responsibility was to make the music and then he has the right people that he trusts to take it from there. And I respect that. Um, I'm not requesting that you handle it personally, but if it ever comes up in discussions, uh, there, there is a call for that by the fans. And I would like to see the last, uh, some of the later albums, um, such as Vapor Trails and Clockwork Angels, released in a more dynamic form in 2015. The Abbey Road engineer Sean McGee remastered most of their catalog from their Mercury years and then some of the later um, releases as well. But he never got to those two and there isn't really, there aren't really good

• 15:11Speaker 02

  dynamic releases of those. I would like to hear those at some point in the future. Thank you for your time and attention.

• 15:17Speaker 03

  Dude, you need to send me a list of this.

• 15:19Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, Geddy, it doesn't seem to be, and I'm noticing he's, he's not writing any of this down. Yes. By the way. I'm well aware. And I did notice, he has, like me, he has a button in his study. Yes. That alerts security, and he's been leaning on that thing for about 10 minutes. Yes. Geddy, you are a very good sport, in addition to being an incredibly talented musician and a great guy. And it was very nice of you to drop in and, and, and speak to Jordan. I worry about Jordan, frankly, and I think after this conversation, you're a little worried about him, too.

• 15:54Speaker 03

  In all seriousness, I understand it's his birthday, so, or, or coming up to his birthday, is that?

• 16:00Conan O'Brien?

  Recently passed, recently passed, yes.

• 16:02Speaker 03

  Okay, well, I just want to wish you a happy birthday, Jordan.

• 16:04Conan O'Brien?

  Thank you very much.

• 16:04Speaker 03

  Thank you for being a fan.

• 16:06Conan O'Brien?

  Thank you.

• 16:06Speaker 03

  I really appreciate it, and hopefully, we will get to meet on a, a more human level than.

• 16:12Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 16:13Speaker 03

  Through the Zoom machine.

• 16:14Conan O'Brien?

  With maybe security present. Yeah. It's also my bar mitzvah today, Geddy, so if you want to say a word about that. Yes. Geddy Lee, thank you so much, it's very kind of you to call in, and our regards to your, to your bandmates, and to all the good people in Toronto, that's one of my favorite towns in the world, so, thank you.

• 16:34Speaker 03

  Thank you, Conan, it's great to be here, it's nice to meet you, too.

• 16:37Conan O'Brien?

  Likewise.

• 16:37Speaker 03

  Big fan.

• 16:38Conan O'Brien?

  Take care. Take care, Geddy Lee, thank you very much.

• 16:41Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 16:46Conan O'Brien?

  Who do you shop for first on the holiday, Sona? Was it, do you shop for the kids, or do you shop for Tac?

• 16:50Conan O'Brien?

  My kids.

• 16:51Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, you gotta get them your stuff.

• 16:52Conan O'Brien?

  Or my dog.

• 16:53Conan O'Brien?

  And then your, your husband is last. Well, guess what? It's that time of year, you feel that, you smell that, that, that cinnamon cider in the air, do you smell that?

• 17:02Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 17:03Conan O'Brien?

  And you see pumpkins around, people buying turkeys, little early to buy a turkey.

• 17:07Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 17:08Conan O'Brien?

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• 17:39Conan O'Brien?

  This fall, I want to try something different.

• 17:41Conan O'Brien?

  What?

• 17:42Conan O'Brien?

  I like to change it up. I like to learn things, so I'm gonna try and make apple cider.

• 17:45Conan O'Brien?

  Ooh!

• 17:46Conan O'Brien?

  Every morning.

• 17:46Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 17:47Conan O'Brien?

  This fall, just to see if I can do it.

• 17:49Conan O'Brien?

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• 17:49Conan O'Brien?

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• 17:59Conan O'Brien?

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• 17:59Conan O'Brien?

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• 18:01Conan O'Brien?

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• 18:09Conan O'Brien?

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• 18:20Conan O'Brien?

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• 18:30Conan O'Brien?

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• 18:38Conan O'Brien?

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• 18:39Conan O'Brien?

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• 18:43Conan O'Brien?

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• 18:43Conan O'Brien?

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• 19:07Conan O'Brien?

  Oh.

• 19:12Conan O'Brien?

  So, you have to admit, the holidays, it's really about hanging with the people you love.

• 19:17Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 19:18Conan O'Brien?

  And getting to be yourself, not going to some stuffy holiday party where you need to conform to what the man wants you to think about the holidays.

• 19:26Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah!

• 19:27Conan O'Brien?

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• 19:38Conan O'Brien?

  Because it's family!

• 19:39Conan O'Brien?

  But what about a niece or a nephew?

• 19:40Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 19:43Conan O'Brien?

  Like a walk with an ex-wife? I don't know. I mean, they're just throwing... that's a weird... they just made a very specific choice.

• 19:50Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 19:50Conan O'Brien?

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• 20:17Conan O'Brien?

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• 20:20Conan O'Brien?

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• 21:53Conan O'Brien?

  What an incredibly nice guy. That was a really, that was a really nice treat that he could drop in here. Were you, um, how did it feel? Had you spoken with Geddy Lee before?

• 22:01Speaker 02

  I've met him a few times. Yeah, he's incredibly well spoken. Um, he's enjoyable when you listen to him speak in interviews. It just the way he forms words.

• 22:10Conan O'Brien?

  Those are called sentences, yeah.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, right, but the way he puts words together in particular.

• 22:14Conan O'Brien?

  He uses a verb.

• 22:15Speaker 02

  Particularly Kate and said, "The man's very intelligent, well spoken. I enjoy listening to people like that."

• 22:20Conan O'Brien?

  I don't know, I mean, I listened to him. He seemed like a nice, smart guy, but I think I'm just as intelligent.

• 22:24Speaker 02

  You know, the idea-

• 22:25Conan O'Brien?

  I make words too and put them into sentences.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  I think there's a conflation with the idea of fandom. So, most people are fans and they feel like they need to meet the person. They need to hang out with the person. I'm a huge fan of Rush, but I don't feel the need to hang out or even meet him.

• 22:41Conan O'Brien?

  Guess what? That feeling is shared.

• 22:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:44Conan O'Brien?

  By, uh, I think, uh, by Geddy Lee and the rest of the members of Rush, which I think works out nicely. You don't feel the need to meet them.

• 22:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 22:51Conan O'Brien?

  And, and he does not want to meet you.

• 22:53Speaker 02

  Right.

• 22:53Conan O'Brien?

  Or, and shouldn't really meet you.

• 22:54Speaker 02

  Right. Because- Based on this presentation, based on what he was given, I would not want to meet me either.

• 22:59Conan O'Brien?

  So, you understand-

• 23:00Speaker 02

  Right, what I'm saying is he's seeing, he's seeing a very limited side of me.

• 23:04Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, no, no, no. He's not seeing a limited side of you. That is you.

• 23:07Speaker 02

  No, he is seeing what was just presented to him.

• 23:09Conan O'Brien?

  What was just presented to him is you.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  We have many aspects to our personality.

• 23:13Conan O'Brien?

  I was, no, you don't. No, you don't.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  What I'm saying is-

• 23:17Conan O'Brien?

  You're a fucking floor lamp that I've been looking at for years. I've walked around it, I've pushed it on and I've turned it off. And now you're saying, "There's many sides to me."

• 23:24Speaker 02

  There are many sides to me and I think he would appreciate some of that. First of all, I don't care if he would appreciate them because I have no interest in bonding with him. Nevertheless-

• 23:32Conan O'Brien?

  What? That's so rude. This guy just called in to wish you a happy birthday and suddenly you're saying, "I don't give a flying fuck when he does."

• 23:39Speaker 02

  My birthday passed two months ago. I was being polite. Now, listen to me.

• 23:43Conan O'Brien?

  Wait.

• 23:43Speaker 02

  Now, listen to me.

• 23:44Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, so Geddy Lee has to know your birthday exactly?

• 23:46Speaker 02

  I want to know, what fool, what fool in this room told Geddy Lee that my birthday was right now and I have to play along like a jackass? Because I'm not going to be the asshole that tells him, "No, you're wrong. That's going nowhere."

• 23:56Conan O'Brien?

  Well, you did tell him.

• 23:57Speaker 02

  Well, I was polite.

• 23:58Conan O'Brien?

  You told him it passed.

• 23:59Speaker 02

  I can do, I'm not gonna flat out lie and say, yes, today is my birthday.

• 24:02Conan O'Brien?

  Within two months is a fairly good shot. There are 12 months.

• 24:06Speaker 02

  That's a sixth of the year, for god's sake.

• 24:07Conan O'Brien?

  So what? He came within a sixth. He came within a sixth.

• 24:11Speaker 02

  What kind of scale are we on right now?

• 24:12Conan O'Brien?

  If I got within a sixth of Richard Bardot, I'd be fucking happy. Now, you listen to me, you son of a bitch.

• 24:17Speaker 02

  What I'm saying is-

• 24:18Conan O'Brien?

  You ingrate, we just arranged, you know what it costs for us to get Geddy Lee on the phone?

• 24:21Speaker 02

  Nothing.

• 24:22Conan O'Brien?

  Six hundred thousand dollars.

• 24:24Speaker 02

  What I'm saying is, the man likes wine, okay? He has a preference for French wine, my, I have a preference for Italian wine. Nevertheless, there are things that we could connect on should either of us want to. I don't want to. I don't want to.

• 24:35Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, stop saying that.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  No offense to that man, I enjoy listening to his music and, and I enjoy listening to him speak, but I don't make any pretense that him and I would ever go hang out, nor would I, I'm an introvert. I, I fear human interaction. I, I, I avoid it like the plague.

• 24:49Conan O'Brien?

  You have a radio show with me.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, with, I have one human being here and, and some nice gentleman over here, but I, I'm not talking to large quantities of people.

• 24:58Conan O'Brien?

  Okay. First of all, you're saying that if you passed a cafe, if you were walking, strolling along.

• 25:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 25:03Conan O'Brien?

  If you were strolling along, um, and you passed a cafe and Geddy Lee was sitting there and he happened to remember you, and he said, "Oh, uh, Jason," and you went, "What's Jordan?"

• 25:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:12Conan O'Brien?

  And he said, um, "Have a seat, let's share a, a bottle of French wine." Um, you wouldn't join him?

• 25:19Speaker 02

  Okay, first of all, of course I would be polite. Secondly, if I walked by-

• 25:22Conan O'Brien?

  Be polite? Wouldn't you be honored?

• 25:23Speaker 02

  If I walked by and he didn't recognize me and he was sitting there, I would absolutely not approach him, either before or after this experience, okay? I would give the man his space. I, I have no interest. It doesn't do anything. I'd rather go home, put my headphones on at 3 a.m. and listen to my favorite pressing of moving pictures and get lost in it, than sit down at a cafe with a man that ju- uh, clearly wanted to be alone.

• 25:46Conan O'Brien?

  No, I'm different than you. I want to know the man. I'm someone who likes people. I interact. I know we're on this spinning blue globe we call Earth for a short time, and so, no, I don't want to huddle off in the dark and, uh, you know, put my headphones on and, and, and have the same technical experience that I've had many times before. You know, I, I find that, uh-

• 26:09Speaker 02

  Well, you and I are different. Maybe you're you're somehow consumed by the idea of fame.

• 26:13Conan O'Brien?

  Nope.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  And also.

• 26:14Conan O'Brien?

  Fame doesn't interest me at all.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  And also, as you'll know, a lot of artists, he's actually a very friendly, gregarious man with great social skills. But there are many artists are um kind of at the other ends of the spectrum and and are more introverted like myself. And don't necessarily want to connect with people. Of course, they do it out of obligation to their fan base. But um yeah, I so I I don't need to impose myself.

• 26:37Conan O'Brien?

  I'm gonna give you my takeaways from what we just experienced. Your uh favorite band of all time, Rush, Geddy Lee. I surprised you with Geddy Lee and you went, ah.

• 26:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 26:48Conan O'Brien?

  Yes. Which stunned me because uh unbelievable.

• 26:53Speaker 02

  This is what what did you expect?

• 26:56Conan O'Brien?

  I thought you would be would crack a smile and go, oh my, oh, whoa, oh, hey, whoa, this is.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  Thumpfing, you wanted thumpfing. That to you shows that, wow, I've done well. Uh you've got the thumpfing from me. I'm saying I saw him, I acknowledged him, I I I understood.

• 27:10Conan O'Brien?

  You acknowledged him.

• 27:11Speaker 02

  I I understood.

• 27:12Conan O'Brien?

  You acknowledged him like you went into a supermarket.

• 27:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 27:15Conan O'Brien?

  You were looking uh for uh, you know, you were looking for a bag of Snickers bars.

• 27:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:21Conan O'Brien?

  And you went in the candy aisle and you went, oh, there they are.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:24Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, that's that's the reaction you gave. You saw, you know, you saw some Nutter Butter cookies you were looking for. Hmm, yes, there they are. There was no, that's all. And I thought I found that to be unusual. The other takeaway is um you go on and on and on about the difference in these audio pressings. He didn't know, he didn't know what you were talking about.

• 27:42Speaker 02

  I didn't expect him to know. I wouldn't expect, that's not his job. He passes that off to other people. I don't have access to those other people. You put you put him up on a screen, so he's the man I made my case to. If you put the um the head of their catalog up on on screen, I would have made a better case to them.

• 27:57Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, alright. Now.

• 28:00Conan O'Brien?

  Listen, I've had the experience of, you know, being an artist. I have a great, uh, vast body of work going back. I mean, even before 1993.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm familiar with it. Well, The North Report.

• 28:10Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Let's not go that far back.

• 28:12Speaker 02

  Not necessarily the news.

• 28:13Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, now you overdid it, but.

• 28:14Speaker 02

  The Groundlings.

• 28:15Conan O'Brien?

  Well, Lampoon before that. So what I'm saying is, uh, I've been making comedy pretty much steadily since 1981.

• 28:21Speaker 02

  Even earlier since.

• 28:22Conan O'Brien?

  You, as a fan, probably, uh, have liked to go back sometimes and watch my old work.

• 28:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do it regularly as part of my career.

• 28:30Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, no, no, as a fan.

• 28:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do. I'm a huge fan of the show. Uh, I was happy to work on it for so long because I was a fan of it. But I'm gonna say very clearly, I have no interest in famous people simply because they're famous.

• 28:43Conan O'Brien?

  Yes, you do. You must sometimes, you must sometimes, when you and I are walking around together, be thinking, "Oh, my God, this is Conan O'Brien."

• 28:50Speaker 02

  That, that thought does occur to me based on situations that happen around me, but I don't reject you or accept you simply because you're famous. I don't seek out famous people. I don't feel any more exhilaration talking to a famous person than a non-famous person.

• 29:04Conan O'Brien?

  Liar!

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Now, there are some famous people that I am infatuated with that I've never met, okay? Neil Diamond, Tristan Rogers from General Hospital in the 1980s.

• 29:13Conan O'Brien?

  Jesus, what a list!

• 29:15Speaker 02

  There are certain.

• 29:16Conan O'Brien?

  What a list!

• 29:18Speaker 02

  Yes, there are certain.

• 29:19Conan O'Brien?

  Neil Diamond, Tristan Rogers?

• 29:21Speaker 02

  There, I can count.

• 29:22Conan O'Brien?

  From General Hospital?

• 29:23Speaker 02

  I can count on one hand the amount of famous people I was very interested to meet. John Williams, I've met him a number of times, of course, a famous composer. Um, he was a big one for me. Neil Diamond, I never had the chance to meet. John Ritter, I did meet, uh, wonderful guy.

• 29:36Conan O'Brien?

  He was wonderful.

• 29:37Speaker 02

  He was on, he was on my list.

• 29:38Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, I got Tristan Rogers here.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  Tristan Rogers, Australian. Yes, he certainly has a beautiful voice. Uh, I don't know how old he is.

• 29:44Conan O'Brien?

  Seventy-eight.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  Okay, that sounds about right. He, I modeled my personality after him. I watched General Hospital religiously in the 1980s. It was him, it was John Riley who played Sean Donnelly, who I met at The Grove once, uh, the late, great John Riley.

• 29:59Conan O'Brien?

  Hold it, hold it, stop for just a second.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 30:02Conan O'Brien?

  You're saying that you didn't have a personality.

• 30:07Conan O'Brien?

  You were an empty vessel and you decided to, you watched a soap opera. And you saw a person acting on a soap opera and modeled who you are after that person.

• 30:17Speaker 02

  You certainly extrapolated a bit, okay?

• 30:19Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, that's not, that's an exact description.

• 30:21Speaker 02

  I think you embellished the core of what I was saying, okay?

• 30:24Conan O'Brien?

  I just repeated what you said.

• 30:26Speaker 02

  The man, the man spoke like music. You listen to the words that come out of his mouth in his Australian accent and he speaks like music. He could play it all. He could play the mystery. He could play the drama, love, anger. That, that episode with him, him and Bert, his, in December 1986. His Bert Ramsey, his former police commissioner that betrayed him and became head of the mob. When he yelled at him at the end of that episode, that was like stunning. That changed me.

• 30:52Conan O'Brien?

  Can I say something?

• 30:52Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 30:52Conan O'Brien?

  What boy your age is watching these soap operas. These soap operas were meant for housewives.

• 30:57Speaker 02

  There was a time, I sought out those old episodes at General Hospital. I tried to get the footage. It was unavailable everywhere. They would put out little retrospectives on VHS. I'm like, Luke and Laura's wedding, no one gives a shit about that. We've all seen it 50 times. I want to see the Aztec treasure.

• 31:10Conan O'Brien?

  Your whole.

• 31:11Speaker 02

  1984. I want to see the Asian quarter from 1985.

• 31:14Conan O'Brien?

  So your whole life is chasing lost footage that no one else gives a shit about. You just said, you had one question for Geddy Lee. Yes, yes, we gave a concert. Muh, muh, muh, 1991.

• 31:24Speaker 02

  1990.

• 31:25Conan O'Brien?

  1990, I'm sorry. Oh, I missed it. I missed it by less than how you, how she missed your birthday. And you know what I'm saying?

• 31:30Speaker 02

  Two months. Unacceptable.

• 31:32Conan O'Brien?

  And I say, you guys, he performed that on the rooftop of Beth Israel Hospital. And I just want to say, muh, so I've seen most of it, but some, there's a section where you guys take a bathroom break. Muh, and it's missing, muh. And, and, and, and so you're asking for that footage. She doesn't know what the fuck you're talking about.

• 31:46Speaker 02

  I know he doesn't know what the fuck. And now. I'd rather meet Tristan Rogers than Geddy Lee, goddamn it. There, I said it. I said it. Get Tristan Rogers.

• 31:53Conan O'Brien?

  Who's Tristan?

• 31:54Speaker 02

  Get Tristan Rogers. Get Tristan Rogers up on that stage.

• 31:57Conan O'Brien?

  Alright, we're gonna get Tristan Rogers.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  I want Tristan Rogers.

• 31:59Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, so your list is Neil Diamond. Will you be excited? For Tristan Rogers. No, no, no, I'll do an impression of him. Yeah. I'll do an impression of you bringing him up. Oh, guess what? We have a treat for you. The person you modeled your entire personality on, who you've never met before, and here he is. You go like, ah, yes. That's what you're gonna do.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  Okay, first of all, let's pretend that as human beings, we're not influenced by the media figures we're exposed to every day. Like Tony Hopkins said in The Silence of the Lambs, we covet what we see every day around us. Okay, I saw him every day.

• 32:30Conan O'Brien?

  Stop shouting, you're shouting.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  I found him compelling. He had charisma. The charisma that I have, I learned from him.

• 32:36Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, okay, well then, guess what? He should be shot.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 32:40Conan O'Brien?

  He should be sued. What do you mean the charisma you have?

• 32:43Speaker 02

  This man is cool as ice, okay? I don't equate somebody's talent by their level of fame, their level of objective fame, okay? He may not be the most famous person in this town, but to me, he's the most compelling.

• 32:57Conan O'Brien?

  Can I ask you something?

• 32:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:58Conan O'Brien?

  So, have you ever wondered, or I don't know if you've had therapy, and my guess is you have not. Um, I think you would, I don't think a therapist would be able to help you. I think it'd be like a.

• 33:07Speaker 02

  I don't need help.

• 33:08Conan O'Brien?

  Hold on.

• 33:11Conan O'Brien?

  I think it'd be like a therapist sitting in there's a toaster oven on the couch.

• 33:14Speaker 02

  I'm fine.

• 33:15Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, yeah, people that say I don't need help, I'm fine, shouting it, uh, usually are fine. So my question is, do you ever wonder why you needed? Why couldn't you just let your own personality form? Why did you need to take it?

• 33:29Speaker 02

  Ah, yes.

• 33:29Conan O'Brien?

  From a character on General Hospital?

• 33:30Speaker 02

  Ah, yes, the ideal, the ignorant ideal. Let me explain to you how human psychology works, okay? Let me explain to you nature and nurture. We are a product of what we are exposed to every day. Now, you can look at this as a negative, or you can look at this as empowering. We can choose what we surround ourselves with every day. These things will become part of our personality. You are comprised in part of me. Because you have been exposed to me. I have rubbed off on you in ways you may or may not be aware of.

• 33:58Conan O'Brien?

  You've never rubbed me.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  We are a product of our environment. As strong as we think we are mentally, I'm true to myself. Yourself is based on your environment. Every single human being that's around you, every single object becomes part of you. I am a part of you, and I will always be.

• 34:12Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, you're inside me. Listen, I want to say something, Jordan. You say you're fine, you say you're okay. I'm just gonna notice.

• 34:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:21Conan O'Brien?

  I think we've all noticed it. You've been shouting.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 34:24Conan O'Brien?

  For much of the last fifteen minutes. I keep seeing Eduardo reach over and turn the dials down because you're gonna blow out these beautiful microphones. Um, these are gorgeous.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  Sure SMB sevens?

• 34:36Conan O'Brien?

  That's, yeah.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  These have a very low gain, by the way. You need a very powerful mixer to extrapolate the proper sound. You can use a cloud lifter, though, uh, which a lot of amateur podcasters do. And now they have a new model that has a built-in preamp. Uh, they're a little bit longer. They're shiny and they say short down the side.

• 34:54Conan O'Brien?

  So.

• 34:56Speaker 02

  What I'm saying is the fact that I'm shouting doesn't preclude me from being content. I am a content man.

• 35:02Conan O'Brien?

  It stuns me that SXM, they're a big company, big company, and they are in business with all the biggest talents.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:10Conan O'Brien?

  And somehow you're on there now.

• 35:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I apparently am a radio host on Sirius XM.

• 35:16Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, and uh, it's stunning to me.

• 35:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:18Conan O'Brien?

  Uh, the, the amount of bibble, babble, blither and blather that spews out of uh, this face of yours that I'd like to smash. It's incredible that, that you, that, you know, people are listening in their cars right now. They're, they're, uh, you know, they're, they're Dodge Neons. Uh, their Chevrolet Goo Goo's. I'm just making up car names. I don't know.

• 35:40Speaker 02

  For anyone wondering what it's like to be a radio host, I'll tell you what it's like. Uh, there's no change to my life. There are no perks. I'm not even convinced we have a radio show. Uh, I've seen clips of it on YouTube. Um, I don't have, there's no mug in front of me with the Conan O'Brien show logo. Uh, that has two meatballs that look like the orange chicken at Panda Express. I, I don't feel, uh, you tell me we have a radio show. And you think I'd feel some level of accomplishment to be a radio host. A goal that I never set for myself, but somehow found me. And, and I just have a normal life. I don't get free things. I, I don't get special privileges at restaurants. Uh, just for anyone wondering, maybe you aspire to be a radio hosting. You think your life will change. I'm here to tell you there is zero change.

• 36:25Conan O'Brien?

  So you thought that by sitting next to me on a radio show.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  There'd be some sense of accomplishment.

• 36:30Conan O'Brien?

  Into a better seat.

• 36:31Speaker 02

  I, yes, yes, I did. I would think.

• 36:33Conan O'Brien?

  At the Lucky Duck Chicken House. You know, you thought, okay, that's incredible. Uh, you, um, you're a mystery to me. You continue to be a mystery. Uh, I try to make you happy by bringing you.

• 36:43Speaker 02

  I'm happy.

• 36:44Conan O'Brien?

  One of your icons daily. Uh, I try to get you therapy. You say you don't need it.

• 36:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:49Conan O'Brien?

  Um, you still shout. I don't know. I, this was a incredible experience for me. Um, to watch you. I try to help you. I try to do nice things for you. I, I took you to Italy. You can all watch it. I, I do all these extraordinary things for you and you, you always end up angry. You seem angry.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  I'm not angry. I'm content. I'm passionate. I, I appreciate the things you've done to me. I, I'm self-aware.

• 37:10Conan O'Brien?

  To you. You just said to you.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  Uh, done to me, for me, with me. Uh, you could choose your, you could choose your conjunction.

• 37:16Conan O'Brien?

  Freud's on line one.

• 37:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. I, I appreciate them. I'm passionate about them. Uh, look, people say apathy is the worst insult. If I shout and I'm passionate, don't worry so much about, am I angry? Am I happy?

• 37:29Conan O'Brien?

  Right.

• 37:29Speaker 02

  Just, just be happy that you're evoking a, a response in me.

• 37:31Conan O'Brien?

  Sure. Yeah. Mussolini shouted and he was just trying to get his point across.

• 37:34Speaker 02

  If that's the criteria for being a, a dictator, then, uh, you know, I think half of the population is guilty.

• 37:40Conan O'Brien?

  Okay. Well, uh, we got off on a crazy tangent. I think you brought up Mussolini and I think that's weird.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 37:44Conan O'Brien?

  Um, listen, we had a wonderful episode, I think. Uh, you got to meet one of your great heroes and talk to him. I know you say you've met him before, but he got to call you two months after your birthday, which is a big deal.

• 37:55Speaker 02

  He ca- he, he, he happy birthday'd me two months late and called me by the wrong name and, and I, again, I wasn't expecting anything out of this interaction.

• 38:04Conan O'Brien?

  So why do you keep mentioning it?

• 38:05Speaker 02

  By the way, this interaction, I didn't even know this interaction was gonna happen. I don't think you guys have disclosed that I wasn't aware that, uh, this.

• 38:11Conan O'Brien?

  I think it's clear, clear to everyone that you don't know what's happening.

• 38:14Speaker 02

  Okay. Yeah. I walk, I walk into this room. I was told to spit in a, uh, sit in a different spot than normal. Okay. So, uh, there was an agenda clearly. But, um, I, I am fine with the way this interaction went. I think I, uh, I think he understands now that there is an appreciation of his work.

• 38:29Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 38:29Speaker 02

  On, on a very granular level.

• 38:30Conan O'Brien?

  If he would hang out with you, he said, fuck no.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  I, I, I don't need to hang out with him.

• 38:34Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Well, I think he, you don't even have to worry about it.

• 38:37Speaker 02

  I don't have to worry about it.

• 38:37Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. You don't have to reject a date that you've not invited.

• 38:40Speaker 02

  Not worried about that.

• 38:41Conan O'Brien?

  All right, well, listen, this has been our episode of the Conan and Jordan Show, featuring a guest appearance by Jordan's all-time hero, Geddy Lee. We're gonna try and get this gentleman from General Hospital.

• 38:52Speaker 02

  Tristan Rogers.

• 38:53Conan O'Brien?

  Tristan Rogers to be on soon. And you say you molded your personality around him. That is a sad, sad story about a sad little boy who, Pinocchio, who one day wished he would become real and be a real boy.

• 39:06Speaker 02

  Listen to him speak. Listen to him speak.

• 39:07Conan O'Brien?

  Okay. Peace out.

• 39:24Conan O'Brien?

  The Conan and Jordan Show with Conan O'Brien and Jordan Schlansky is produced by me, Frank Smiley. Executive produced by Adam Sachs, Jeff Ross, and Jim McClure. Engineering and mixing by Eduardo Perez. Our supervising producer is Andrew Gruce. Talent booking by Paula Davis, Gina Batista, and Britt Kahn. The theme song is "Tom Sawyer" by Rush. You can rate and review this show on Apple Podcasts and you might find your review read on a future episode. Got a question for Conan and Jordan? Call the Team Coco hotline, 669-587-2847, and leave a message. It too could be featured on a future episode. And if you haven't already, please subscribe to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend wherever fine

• 40:09Conan O'Brien?

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