Summer S’pouses Episode 5: The Spouses Alone

The Spouses (Liza, Tak, and Amanda) sit down by themselves to discuss the unexpected ways in which the podcast has altered their lives. Wanna get a chance to talk to Conan? Submit here: teamcoco.com/apply

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:02Conan O'Brien?

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• 0:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:15Conan O'Brien?

  You know, when you own a house, you gotta fix it yourself. Sona, you, you see this to be true, right?

• 0:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, your garage door breaks and you're like, well, I have to fix it.

• 0:22Conan O'Brien?

  Probably at first you said, hey, I'll get the super to fix it. It's your house, dude.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  It's mine, dude.

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• 0:39Speaker 01

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• 0:42Speaker 01

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• 1:20Conan O'Brien?

  Summer Spouses with Conan O'Brien, Sona Mestesian, and Matt Gourley. And Liza Powell O'Brien, Tak Baroyan, and Amanda Lund.

• 1:34Speaker 03

  Hello and welcome to a very special episode of Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend. My name is Liza Powell O'Brien and I'm here with Amanda Lund and Tak Baroyan, the spouses of Matt Gourley and Sona Mestesian, respectively. Welcome to Summer Spouses. Doesn't that make you think that there's gonna then be a fall spouse? And like, they're gonna have to get remarried to new people every season? So that there's something to put on the air?

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh, Summer Spouses.

• 2:04Speaker 04

  I mean, I could take a break, you know? I could use a break.

• 2:08Speaker 03

  Heard, by the way. That is a very good idea. Okay, how has this been so far for everybody?

• 2:15Speaker 04

  It's been great. It's the first time for me. You've done this before, right?

• 2:19Speaker 03

  I have not done, like, what I haven't done is sort of the being yourself and, and talking about your life.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  Like a chit chat show is what I call that.

• 2:28Speaker 03

  Do you? And you do that, right?

• 2:30Speaker 01

  I, not like this. I mean, I have like one chit chat show with my friend Maria, but it's behind a paywall and I'm pretty convinced like no one is listening. So it feels very safe. This is scary because people are like, we've got eyes and ears.

• 2:45Speaker 03

  By the way, I think we're fewer every second.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  I think so, maybe.

• 2:49Speaker 04

  It's gonna be out there forever.

• 2:51Speaker 03

  Right. Also that, yeah.

• 2:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it felt like fun to be in the hot seat a little bit.

• 2:56Speaker 03

  Did your spouse act a little bit differently in this room with you in it?

• 3:01Speaker 01

  That's a good question. I, I was getting like supportive nods.

• 3:04Speaker 03

  Uh, from him?

• 3:06Speaker 01

  From Matt, yeah.

• 3:06Speaker 03

  From Matt, okay. Did he look, was there fear in his eyes?

• 3:09Speaker 01

  Um, he told me right before we came in, he was like, it's okay. Like, you can.

• 3:17Speaker 03

  Whatever you.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  He said, you can speak freely. And so I kind of got the green light.

• 3:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  A little bit.

• 3:23Speaker 03

  Does that mean that you're not usually in person?

• 3:29Speaker 01

  No, there's, I've signed a non-disclosure.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  Okay, I suppose that makes sense. What about you with Sona? I assume it was always Sona, right?

• 3:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, she was kind of giving me that, don't you fucking embarrass me.

• 3:41Speaker 03

  But was she also?

• 3:42Speaker 04

  No, I'm just kidding.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  Was she also, um, just watching, it felt like she was also maybe a little quieter? Like she was really interested in hearing what you had to say?

• 3:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. She was letting me talk for a change.

• 3:54Speaker 03

  Is that unusual? Yeah, exactly. That's not the norm.

• 3:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, it is. We're, we're cool. She was about the same. She's always herself. That's like her thing, right?

• 4:02Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 4:03Speaker 04

  No matter what circumstance.

• 4:04Speaker 03

  It's a gift, really. It's not typical, I don't think.

• 4:08Speaker 04

  It's not.

• 4:08Speaker 03

  And how about your kids? Does one of them take after each of you? Or are they like from somewhere else entirely?

• 4:15Speaker 04

  I think so. I think Mikey is more Sona.

• 4:18Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 4:18Speaker 04

  Because he's like very adventurous and just hard-headed and stubborn.

• 4:23Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 4:25Speaker 04

  And Charlie, and he's very extrovert. And Charlie is more like, you know, he's more me.

• 4:30Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 4:31Speaker 04

  I think he loves to draw and he likes to do his own thing and like look at his monster books.

• 4:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:36Speaker 04

  And, um, just sort of do his own thing, you know?

• 4:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, we just got these great thank you notes from them for their birthday presents, which was adorable and I'm gonna frame them because I don't have little kids right now to, to do that with. And, um, and one of them drew a picture and the other one wrote, Michael, thank you, Michael. And Sona was like, they, this couldn't be a better representation of how different my kids are from each other.

• 5:01Speaker 04

  That's it.

• 5:02Speaker 03

  Is one of them more social than the other?

• 5:04Speaker 04

  Depends on the day. Sometimes Mikey gets a little shy for some reason. It's kind of weird. And Charlie steps up and like tells the jokes, you know?

• 5:13Speaker 03

  Oh my god, that's great.

• 5:14Speaker 04

  Which is like so like unexpected because he's more of an introvert, you know?

• 5:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, but he can tell that like the usual host isn't there, so he's filling in.

• 5:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. But I would say they're, you know, they're equally social kids. And, you know, they always approach other kids and talk to them, introduce themselves. It's really cute.

• 5:33Speaker 03

  That is very cute.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  Well, Liza, you're such a natural at this.

• 5:36Speaker 03

  Well, I'm just nosey.

• 5:38Speaker 01

  That's a great quality.

• 5:40Speaker 04

  Great radio voice.

• 5:41Speaker 03

  Oh, thank you. Thank you.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  Have you just been like watching Conan all these years like I could do it better?

• 5:47Speaker 03

  No, no, no. I had a nightmare once. I, I don't know what brought this on, that I was supposed to go out in front of people and entertain them. And I had a, I'd never had a panic attack in my life. I had a panic attack in my dream. Because I thought I had to go do that thing that he does and there's no way I could do it. So, no, I never watch or listen to him doing what he does and think, eh, like, let me at it. No.

• 6:13Conan O'Brien?

  No sweat.

• 6:14Speaker 03

  No. Are you guys a little bit closer in terms of your skill set, maybe? Because you're both performers?

• 6:20Speaker 01

  Maybe a little bit, but yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I, yeah, probably a little bit. Because we cross over a bit. Like Matt will be on my shows and I'll be on his stuff sometimes. So, yeah, we do some crossover stuff.

• 6:34Speaker 03

  What's your favorite kind of performance? Like, is it theater? Is it TV acting?

• 6:40Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I probably theater. I, you know, I really actually love podcasting. It's just, I, I just really, really like it. There's just so much creative freedom in it. And like you probably, I don't know, maybe felt that when you did your show too?

• 6:53Speaker 03

  Well, yes, there were, I mean, I felt, it was, um, it was, no, it was, it was great. I couldn't believe I got to do it. It was also, I signed myself up for so much work that I started to be very grumpy.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  It is, that was a lot of research.

• 7:08Speaker 03

  It was a lot of research and writing. And, um, and I was doing it sort of in, in lockstep with my younger kids' last two years of high school. And then he graduated and I was like, we're done with school. And I sort of felt like I don't want to write any more papers. And it was, it was kind of funny, but, so it felt like a really, it felt like a limiting format that I had set up, but I liked that. I, I appreciate boundaries and stuff like that because I'm, you know, terrified of improvisation. So here we are. Um, yeah, so it's a very different type of, of podcasting.

• 7:43Conan O'Brien?

  Do you have any other projects coming up? Podcasting or others?

• 7:47Speaker 03

  I don't have any other podcasting projects coming up. No, I have, um, I have a, a theater piece in a, in a,

• 7:56Speaker 03

  in a festival in Aspen in September.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  Oh, that's so wonderful. I feel like theater is where it's at right now. Is that like, is that what's happening? Like, should we all be doing?

• 8:06Speaker 04

  You can't AI that, you know what I mean?

• 8:07Speaker 03

  Right. Well, it's like how live shows are the sort of backbone of the music industry right now, I think. And, um, yeah, these, people are into experiences that you cannot, that not every single person in the world can just get.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, podcasts are dead, right?

• 8:22Speaker 03

  Right, exactly. That's what we've decided, basically. Yeah, we're done with that. Um, yeah, no, I, I think, uh, in other parts of the world too, like in, in London and Europe, I think there's a lot of theater happening in like sort of grassroots seaways. And, um, I think the US is having a bit of a difficult moment with the funding issues. But, but I don't think it will ever knock wood, completely go away because it's so human. But yeah, but maybe this is the new campfire. R.I.P. Summer Smores. I mean, I don't know if it's totally gone forever. Um, okay, let's see. We have other prompts here.

• 9:03Speaker 03

  Um, um, um, um, how has the podcast impacted your lives? Sorry, I read that wrong. Has the podcast impacted your lives and if so, how?

• 9:11Speaker 04

  Well, we get, like, Sona gets recognized all the time now.

• 9:15Speaker 03

  Really?

• 9:16Speaker 04

  She's like a full-blown celebrity at this point.

• 9:19Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 9:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:20Speaker 03

  Because that happened after you got married?

• 9:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:22Speaker 03

  Was that weird?

• 9:23Speaker 04

  Uh.

• 9:24Speaker 03

  To go through that transition with her?

• 9:26Speaker 04

  I mean, she, people kind of knew who she was when we were dating. But like now, when, when I went to YouTube with the podcast and everything, because people knew her from the remotes from the show before, but now it's, the podcast is huge. And everybody just like, I know your voice. Oh my god. And then like people freak out now and like it's weird.

• 9:45Speaker 03

  Do they ask for pictures?

• 9:46Speaker 04

  Uh, Sona actually says, can we take a picture?

• 9:48Speaker 03

  Oh my gosh, that's great.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  I love that. That is, that's so generous.

• 9:53Speaker 03

  With her camera or their camera?

• 9:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, her camera. We have a collection at home.

• 9:57Speaker 03

  Record it all. All my fans, a wall of them.

• 10:00Speaker 04

  But, um, it was so weird. We, we were in Hawaii, um, like a week ago. And we went to, where did we go? We went to the, the Diamond Head hike.

• 10:09Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 10:09Speaker 04

  And there was like the booth where you park and these two girls are working there. And, and Sona's like, watch this, they're gonna know.

• 10:17Speaker 04

  And we, we, we drive up and our cousin, our cousin from Australia, um, Steve, he's there. And so we drive up and they're like, hi, like, hi, can we park it? I was like, no, you have to buy parking. Uh, you have to go, you have to pre-arrange parking or you have to go drive down the tunnel and park there. And then our cousin Steve's like, mate, do you know who she is? And she's like, it's Sona. And then she, they got all giggly all of a sudden. Yeah, like she got, they got like super stoked. I was like, oh my God. Never gonna live this down. So then, and I was like, so now that this happened, can we park there or? They're like, no, you still gotta go down the tunnel.

• 11:01Speaker 03

  Celebrity has its limits.

• 11:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was, that was it.

• 11:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel like you can kind of identify a podcast listener in the wild. You know, you can be like, that person's gonna approach.

• 11:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, yup.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  There's a look.

• 11:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I have none of that because people were coming up to him before I knew him. And so I can't, you know, I can't tell who knows him for what. People still come up to him and say, I love your show. And I'm thinking, which one, what? There isn't a show, unless this is a show, maybe it's a show.

• 11:29Speaker 01

  And I bet like the travel show has brought in new audience, probably, cause that's a whole different.

• 11:34Speaker 03

  Worldwide, mm-hmm, worldwide, okay.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:37Speaker 03

  Well, you didn't answer that question.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think for me, it's been interesting because like both Matt and I are both like, we work like gigs, you know? And then especially podcasting, it's like, you'll do a podcast like on a.

• 11:50Speaker 03

  It's regular.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then having something that is such, so regular, it's like the nine to five job at this point, you know? Which I never would have thought podcasting would have been for us, but it's like, okay, yeah, this is like, we're, yeah, this is the career, you know, which is, you, I don't think either of us could have foreseen that.

• 12:10Speaker 03

  Right.

• 12:11Speaker 01

  That it was gonna be like podcasting was like the stable thing because right now, like everything's so in flux with the other parts of the industry, you know? So that's been really cool. And then also post YouTube, Matt gets recognized all the time. But there's like certain places where you can kind of, you think there's a higher chance of it happening, like any, any theme park. Like he'll usually get recognized a couple of times.

• 12:35Speaker 03

  How often are you in a theme park, I want to ask?

• 12:38Speaker 01

  You know, and when I met Matt, like he had worked at theme parks, but he was like, I'm not a theme park person. But then having a kid, he's like a total Disney dad now. It was like the minute we took Glenn for the first time to Disneyland and like he saw her light up when she saw Mickey Mouse, like he cried.

• 12:55Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 12:56Speaker 01

  He couldn't, but he was like, this is so magical. And now they're like, he's taken her to the, to Universal like a lot. He'll play Hooky Days where.

• 13:04Speaker 03

  He's his beard.

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:06Speaker 03

  He's going for him.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  Like actually, because she, he takes her to go see the Waterworld stunt spectacular. Um, and to the point where they're like regulars now. And so I don't know if you're familiar with Waterworld, the movie?

• 13:21Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah, you're a big, big fan.

• 13:23Speaker 03

  Huge.

• 13:24Speaker 04

  Kevin Costner.

• 13:25Speaker 01

  Okay, yes, cause thank you. Okay, so there's the villain in it, has some funny name. I don't remember what it is, but anyway, he's, oh, they're all getting their phones. I feel so powerful. I never have this in my other podcast. Anyway, so.

• 13:39Speaker 04

  The Deacon.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  The Deacon, the Deacon. Okay, so they're like, Glenn's a big fan of the Deacon. And after the stunt show, they wait and talk to the Deacon and like take pictures with him. But apparently he's retiring.

• 13:50Speaker 03

  Uh-oh.

• 13:51Speaker 01

  So, so they gotta go catch his last show.

• 13:54Speaker 03

  Is he gonna be replaced by someone else?

• 13:56Speaker 01

  I, I guess like, I don't know.

• 13:57Speaker 03

  Well, and she'll have to be in on those auditions, I think.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:00Speaker 03

  Select a replacement.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  Glenn could play the Deacon.

• 14:03Speaker 03

  That's great.

• 14:11Conan O'Brien?

  This fall, I wanna try something different.

• 14:13Speaker 03

  What?

• 14:14Conan O'Brien?

  I like to change it up. I like to learn things. So I'm gonna try and make apple cider. Every morning.

• 14:19Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 14:19Conan O'Brien?

  This fall, just to see if I can do it.

• 14:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:21Conan O'Brien?

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• 14:25Speaker 03

  Oh, that's good.

• 14:26Conan O'Brien?

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• 14:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:27Conan O'Brien?

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• 14:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:31Conan O'Brien?

  They're America's best network.

• 14:33Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 14:33Conan O'Brien?

  True story. Plus T-Mobile has got off-grid satellite coverage. That comes in really handy. I like to just wander in the woods sometimes.

• 14:40Speaker 03

  Oh, that's weird.

• 14:41Conan O'Brien?

  When I'm thinking about like making apple cider and uh, that's when it comes in handy. Here's another reason, high-speed data in over 215 countries and destinations. I travel a lot.

• 14:50Speaker 03

  You travel a lot.

• 14:51Conan O'Brien?

  Travel show that I do.

• 14:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:52Conan O'Brien?

  Stream this podcast while ignoring local landmarks. That's always fun to do. Like, oh, look, there's the Mona Lisa. Yeah, check it out. I'm in the Louvre. I should, but I'm listening to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend.

• 15:02Speaker 03

  That doesn't seem like a good idea.

• 15:04Conan O'Brien?

  It's a great idea.

• 15:05Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 15:05Conan O'Brien?

  You know, um, you can see art anytime, but how often can you listen to this podcast?

• 15:10Speaker 03

  My God.

• 15:11Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Now, all these reasons make T-Mobile a great choice.

• 15:15Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 15:15Conan O'Brien?

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• 15:40Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 15:45Conan O'Brien?

  We all have those pieces in our closet we can count on. Sona, I imagine for you, it's that leather jacket I got you.

• 15:50Speaker 03

  Are you gonna do a bit?

• 15:51Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, it's a really nice leather jacket I got you once.

• 15:53Speaker 03

  I had that and then I replaced it and yes, I use it all the time.

• 15:56Conan O'Brien?

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• 16:05Speaker 03

  What?

• 16:06Conan O'Brien?

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• 16:09Speaker 03

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• 16:11Conan O'Brien?

  No, a co- coincidence.

• 16:13Speaker 03

  Oh, no.

• 16:16Conan O'Brien?

  That's why I get the big money.

• 16:17Speaker 03

  I gotta go.

• 16:18Conan O'Brien?

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• 17:07Speaker 03

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• 17:08Conan O'Brien?

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• 18:30Speaker 03

  Who here actually listens to this podcast?

• 18:33Speaker 04

  I used to listen regularly and then I got a little uncomfortable with that. With like the, talking about our lives and stuff, so I just kind of was like, I.

• 18:45Speaker 03

  It's like not looking at the comments anymore on.

• 18:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I uh, now I just watch like chunks of it on my feed.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  Have you and Sona had like boundary conversations about what you are comfortable with her sharing?

• 18:58Speaker 04

  No, we probably should.

• 19:03Speaker 03

  We, we have a guy we'll be in touch with to drop a contract.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  I mean, I don't wanna be like, don't talk about this, don't talk about this. It's like, it comes with the territory, you know?

• 19:11Speaker 03

  Also, do you feel, okay, because for, on, on our end, I, I am always impressed with sort of Conan's innate sense of boundary. I think he's got, he's, I would not be good at that. I'm, I'm a blabber and he.

• 19:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, we can tell.

• 19:27Speaker 03

  Well, of everyone's information too, so don't tell me anything. Um, no, but he has a very, I think, a very good intercompass about, how not to hurt anyone, basically.

• 19:39Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 19:41Speaker 03

  And not share things that, you know, shouldn't really be shared, even if they would get a big laugh. So I'm, I have never even had that thought, really.

• 19:48Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 19:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, the same with Matt. I feel like I kinda just trust him. There was only one, one time. This is a while ago, but it was, it was actually like four years ago when Glenn was a baby. And I don't know what they were gabbing on about in here, but there was something about like Matt had the monitor. Maybe I had gotten an alert from like our, we have like a wifi connected monitor in the nursery. And I'm sitting there in like the dark, nursing Glenn, and she's like asleep on me. And all of a sudden I just hear, hello, and it's Conan's voice coming through the baby monitor. And I was like, like so scared, like I didn't know what was happening. Um, and I was like.

• 20:33Speaker 01

  Hello, like hello, I'm the baby's sleeping. And then I just hear like this laughter, like chuckling over there. And I was just like, what is happening in the mouth? I was like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Like, I guess, I don't know what bit they were doing where he was like, here. And I can even like talk through the monitor. And he didn't know that I was in there with a sleeping baby. And I think that was the only time when I was like, I don't like that.

• 20:57Speaker 04

  Like that at all.

• 20:59Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 20:59Speaker 01

  That scared me.

• 21:00Speaker 03

  No, thank you.

• 21:01Speaker 01

  But but otherwise, I listened to some episodes of the show, but I hear a lot of it being edited because Matt's always working on it. So, you know, I'm like around in the back house in his office where he works. And I always hear lots of, you know, I hear the raw audio and I hear, get to hear what's taken out.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  Do you ever disagree with an edit?

• 21:24Speaker 01

  No, but sometimes I will say, not like I'm taking any credit, but there's times when I'm I'm advised, like, oh, yeah, maybe that could go or stay. Maybe just a couple of times where I get to, I get to like a little, hear some of the notes too that are coming.

• 21:39Speaker 03

  And he's receptive to that?

• 21:40Speaker 01

  Oh, I mean, yeah, like he'll do whatever I say. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

• 21:47Speaker 01

  No, but it is cool to hear him editing it, you know, and just to see that what he takes out. It's never like really big things because they're such pros, especially when it's just the three of them. You know, a lot of that is just what they record is what you hear.

• 22:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. I want to ask if there's ever been anything from a guest that's been edited out that you can think of.

• 22:08Speaker 01

  These guys know, I'm sure that's every podcast, right?

• 22:13Speaker 05

  I mean, it happens, but it's actually less than you would think. Like, we give everybody the same disclaimer when they walk in. You know, this is a safe space. We'll take out anything you want. Just let us know either in the moment or afterwards. If you're driving home or the next day, if you feel uncomfortable about something, we'll 100% take it out. And it's really rare that that that happens. It happens. It's just very, it doesn't happen often.

• 22:34Speaker 03

  And does anyone ever call in after they hear their episode and say, I want you to fix that?

• 22:40Speaker 04

  Remorse. I've never heard of that happening. Every, every, I think the biggest, I mean, every once in a while, like maybe once or twice a year, like sometimes the order might change a little bit. Like, it might be like, oh, like, this was great. We should put this more up front. But for the most part, it's kind of like the, kind of like the TV show. I mean, it was kind of like shot on tape and then, so, yeah.

• 23:01Conan O'Brien?

  You guys might be the first.

• 23:03Speaker 03

  Exactly. To redo all of it.

• 23:08Speaker 03

  So people always ask me, especially, is he like this at home? Like this being however he is out in the world. And and he is who he is, no matter what is happening, like all the time in the mirror, no one around, he's always doing his stuff. But it's all of that. There is no, it's, there is no compartmentalization of his character or his, you know, nonsense. So he, he is what you see is what you get, no matter where, who you are. Is that, how does that compare to you guys? Especially with like this show?

• 23:44Speaker 04

  Pretty much, yeah. And just to, just to say about Conan, like, it was just so refreshing when I first met him to see that he's like that in real life. He's just this great, awesome guy. And sometimes you meet people and they're like, oh, it's not like that on TV, you know?

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:00Speaker 03

  Right.

• 24:00Speaker 04

  But, yeah.

• 24:01Speaker 03

  Like who, like who?

• 24:05Speaker 04

  I'll tell you later.

• 24:08Speaker 04

  But, yeah, he's, I love Conan and he said some very nice things about me. And I just reciprocate. Yeah, he's the most generous.

• 24:16Speaker 03

  He said them even when you're not listening.

• 24:17Speaker 04

  You, you both.

• 24:18Speaker 03

  He says them even when you're not listening.

• 24:20Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 24:20Speaker 03

  That's the real test.

• 24:23Speaker 04

  But as far as Sona, yeah, she's basically the same person everywhere.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  Is there ever any time in your lives together where she is someone a little like, Conan used to say, when my grandmother called, he could always tell she was on the phone because I would suddenly sprout a bonnet.

• 24:41Speaker 03

  And hello, and how are you? You know, that kind of like, yeah, I just, you know, I zeligged right back to her, whatever she was giving. So is there anything that gets Sona to do that or no?

• 24:52Speaker 04

  I maybe when she's making some kind of like professional call on behalf of Conan, like making reservations, ah, this is Sona calling from Conan O'Brien's office.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  A professional voice.

• 25:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, the professional voice. Yeah, but she's always like.

• 25:06Speaker 03

  I'd love to hear that. Do you get a recording of that sometimes?

• 25:09Speaker 04

  She's extra nice to other people, like, you know, like the staff and, you know, people at restaurants and hotels.

• 25:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's pretty much the only difference. She gets even nicer.

• 25:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's good.

• 25:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:22Speaker 03

  It's a good way to go.

• 25:23Speaker 01

  There's such like a magic charisma that they all have together. And like, well, Conan, obviously, is a total pro. And then Sona and Matt are just like, they're such good laugh, laughers. Like, it makes you feel so safe in a podcast to have that, like, they're just looking at you beaming, wanting you to succeed and supporting you with their laughter.

• 25:44Speaker 03

  But they also, they like stand up for themselves, you know? Like, he's a, he's a big, he's a big presence in any room. And but they, they hold their own, which I'm always really happy to hear.

• 25:56Speaker 01

  It's, it's so, it is just truly magical. I feel like Matt is basically the same, but I don't know if like Sona and Conan are like true extroverts because they come across super extroverted. And it seems like they are.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  That I, I wouldn't, I mean, I would have assumed that, you know, that he is, but I don't really, you know, think of things that way so much. But then during, during the lockdown part of COVID, I was benefiting from some of the changes. Like, I didn't have to drive to a bus stop at 6:30 in the morning. I didn't have to make a bunch of meals before everyone left for the day. And so, and we were all just together and, you know, that sort of hunkered down thing. And, and so the kids and I were all kind of at the beginning, sort of happy about it. And, and I looked over at Conan and he was like a house plant that no one had watered in four months. He was visibly starting to wilt.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:48Speaker 03

  And I thought, oh, this is what people mean when they say, extroverts get energy from other people.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 26:53Speaker 03

  He does, and I, I don't. I think it takes energy from me to, to be social. And so it's a real, like, he's very extreme that way. So what about Matt? Matt doesn't seem that extreme.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  He's, I mean, like on the podcast, you'd be like, oh, he's an extrovert. But I think he and I are both similar where we like, we love to socialize and be around people, but we're introverts. So we gotta come home and just like power down.

• 27:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  You know, and like just kind of chill out for a little bit.

• 27:21Speaker 04

  They call that extroverted introverts.

• 27:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Oh, okay, maybe that's what he is.

• 27:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what I am too.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  Oh, it is? Okay, yeah, yeah.

• 27:27Speaker 04

  Like, after this, I'm just gonna go pass out in my car.

• 27:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, we'll just see you park.

• 27:32Speaker 03

  I know.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  So you'll allow you back in the house for a while?

• 27:36Speaker 04

  Well, we drove separately, that's why. But, yeah, I'm gonna need a nap and maybe a meal.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, you need a little cookie or something.

• 27:43Speaker 04

  Maybe a drink. Yeah, I don't know.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  It's like you gave blood.

• 27:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  I know.

• 27:48Speaker 03

  Oven of veins.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  Exhausted, you guys.

• 27:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  How do they do it?

• 27:52Speaker 03

  Okay, this has been great.

• 27:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:55Speaker 03

  Let's hope we're all still married to these people by the next time.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I thought we did good. We could have gone a lot harder, maybe if they invite us back for fall spouses.

• 28:05Speaker 03

  We had a really good time doing this. I hope people had fun listening to it. And tune in next week when you will get to hear all six people around the table at the same time.

• 28:14Speaker 04

  Oh, boy.

• 28:17Speaker 05

  Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend with Conan O'Brien, Sona Movsesian and Matt Gourley. Produced by me, Matt Gourley. Executive produced by Adam Sacks, Jeff Ross and Nick Liao. Theme song by The White Stripes. Incidental music by Jimmy Vivino. Take it away, Jimmy.

• 28:38Speaker 05

  Our supervising producer is Aaron Blair and our associate talent producer is Jennifer Samples. Engineering and mixing by Eduardo Perez and Brendan Burns. Additional production support by Mars Melnick. Talent booking by Paula Davis, Gina Batista and Britt Kahn. You can rate and review this show on Apple Podcasts and you might find your review read on a future episode. Got a question for Conan? Call the Team Coco hotline at 669-587-2847 and leave a message. It too could be featured on a future episode. You can also get three free months of Sirius XM when you sign up at siriusxm.com/conan. And if you haven't already, please subscribe to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend wherever fine podcasts are downloaded.

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• 29:36Speaker 01

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• 29:41Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 29:41Conan O'Brien?

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• 29:44Speaker 01

  No, but maybe.

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• 29:47Speaker 01

  I know. Yeah, I remember that. That was not good.

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