Scents and Sensibility

Conan talks to Sandra from Lakewood, CA about running a perfume shop and tips for getting a TikTok to go viral. Wanna get a chance to talk to Conan? Submit here: teamcoco.com/apply

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:02Conan O'Brien?

  Owning a car or home comes with responsibilities. Sure, it's fun, but sometimes it makes you wonder why you ever longed for adulthood in the first place. I do that all the time. I'm like, oh, these bills, these bills. What am I gonna do?

• 0:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:15Conan O'Brien?

  You know, when you own a house, you gotta fix it yourself. Sona,

• 0:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:17Conan O'Brien?

  You see this to be true, right?

• 0:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, your garage door breaks and you're like, well, I have to fix it.

• 0:22Conan O'Brien?

  Probably at first you said, hey, I'll get the super to fix it. It's your house, dude.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  It's mine, dude!

• 0:27Conan O'Brien?

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• 0:39Speaker 01

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• 0:41Conan O'Brien?

  Liberty, liberty. It's in my head all the time.

• 0:42Speaker 01

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• 0:43Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Start your quote at libertymutual.com.

• 0:49Conan O'Brien?

  Coca-Cola Zero Sugar is so good, it's almost impossible not to finish it before the meal arrives. It's just too good to wait. That happens to me sometimes.

• 0:58Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 0:58Conan O'Brien?

  You can try rules like no sipping until the appetizer arrives, or you tell your friend, "Don't let me touch my glass." But every time you're staring at an empty glass... So if you've ever finished your Coke Zero before the first fry hits the table, you're among friends. It happens. Occupational hazard with Coke Zero.

• 1:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16Conan O'Brien?

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• 1:27Speaker 01

  Conan O'Brien Needs a Fan. Wanna talk to Conan? Visit teamcoco.com/callconan. Okay, let's get started.

• 1:37Conan O'Brien?

  Hi Sandra, welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Fan.

• 1:40Speaker 02

  Hi, oh my gosh, I'm so excited to be here.

• 1:43Conan O'Brien?

  Hi Sandra, how are you?

• 1:44Speaker 02

  I'm doing so well, Conan. How are you?

• 1:47Conan O'Brien?

  I'm good. First question, where are you? I never know where in the world anybody is. Where are you?

• 1:53Speaker 02

  Right now, I'm in Lakewood. I have a perfume shop in Huntington Beach and I spend almost all my time in Huntington Beach.

• 1:59Conan O'Brien?

  My sister lives in Huntington Beach. Okay, so you're in California. You're in California.

• 2:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, gotcha. I'm sorry, you said something, Matt?

• 2:05Speaker 03

  Just that my sister lives in Huntington Beach. Do you know her?

• 2:11Speaker 02

  I don't know her name, but I probably know her.

• 2:13Conan O'Brien?

  Her name is Greta Gorley.

• 2:15Speaker 02

  No. Greta Gorley. It's Jenny.

• 2:17Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 2:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just talked to her yesterday at Trader Joe's.

• 2:19Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, she wanders around, she wears really thick sandals. And she says, I am Greta.

• 2:26Conan O'Brien?

  Sandra, I apologize. I think we got off to a little bit of a foolish start, and that never happens here.

• 2:33Conan O'Brien?

  These are my compatriots, of course, you're probably familiar with if you're a fan. That's Sona, and that's Matt, brother of Greta Gourley. And tell us a little bit about yourself. What do you do?

• 2:45Speaker 02

  So I, I quit my engineering job two years ago to start a perfume shop, a beauty shop. So that was like my, my dream. And I was one of those people during COVID who, like, life slowed down and I pursued what I really wanted to do.

• 3:03Conan O'Brien?

  So you make sense, is that right?

• 3:07Speaker 02

  I, I sell perfume and skincare, makeup.

• 3:10Conan O'Brien?

  Good for you. And so you were an engineer, you trained as an engineer, you were working as an engineer, and one day you said, I'm done. I want to start making sense, which is a play on the old Talking Heads album.

• 3:28Speaker 02

  That's bad.

• 3:28Conan O'Brien?

  No, I think that's actually very good. And Sandra, I can see, I mean, you're not laughing, but I know on the inside, this is killing with you.

• 3:36Speaker 02

  It was so quiet. You said that and it was so quiet.

• 3:40Conan O'Brien?

  It was a kind of quiet you only hear in very deep space.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  Respond.

• 3:44Conan O'Brien?

  Uh, so, is, so this is something you've been thinking about your whole life, is making perfumes and skincare products?

• 3:51Speaker 02

  I always loved it. I didn't realize it could be a career. I just thought engineering was a career and then beauty products, you just, you just like it on the side. I didn't realize I could actually partake in it.

• 4:05Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. So, let's talk about it. What are you, you're making, I mean, some of the, some of the products that you're making, are these products that I would use? Could I use your products?

• 4:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm a shop. So I sell, I have brand partners, so I sell a lot of great perfume brands and other skincare brands.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  Do you think that she makes everything, like all the makeup and stuff? Is that what?

• 4:30Conan O'Brien?

  I was thinking, I thought that maybe she's got a lab and she's mixing.

• 4:34Speaker 03

  I did too.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  Oh, you did?

• 4:35Speaker 03

  Well, she said she's an engineer.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  Oh, I just thought she like found a perfume that she liked and sold it in her shop.

• 4:44Conan O'Brien?

  Well, I didn't think that. I actually thought, oh, she's an engineer. She's, she's got this science background. She's probably putting bits of skunk into a blender and making a perfume.

• 4:55Speaker 03

  I didn't think that.

• 4:56Conan O'Brien?

  Or whale vomit, ambergris, you know, and she's taking very, various herbs.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 5:01Conan O'Brien?

  Um, and seeds and, and doing all these experiments long into the night. That's what I thought, Sandra, and now I'm finding out that you just, you go to a drugstore, you buy some jupe and then you sell it.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  No, no. A lot of really smart people have perfumeries that do that. And I think what I really liked was, I was one of the early adopters onto TikTok Shop. So within six months of TikTok Shop founding, I got on that. I made like three videos a day just, just sharing perfumes and, and their scents and trying to find the right fit for people, making videos in my car, you know, so.

• 5:41Conan O'Brien?

  Why were you making videos in your car?

• 5:43Speaker 02

  The algorithm, Conan.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  Oh, what?

• 5:46Conan O'Brien?

  You know what? I've decided in the modern era, all you have to answer to any question is the algorithm.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:54Conan O'Brien?

  You know, why did you get coffee ice cream? The algorithm, Sandra.

• 5:58Speaker 02

  This is correct.

• 5:59Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, so, um, the, the TikTok algorithm likes it if you're in your car. Is that true?

• 6:05Speaker 02

  That's correct.

• 6:06Conan O'Brien?

  Oh.

• 6:07Speaker 02

  This is trial and error, but then.

• 6:09Conan O'Brien?

  Weird.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  Just with the car background, it just gets more views. You want to respond to a comment that also helps get views.

• 6:18Conan O'Brien?

  I wonder if that's because it looks intimate, but also urgent, like you're going someplace. There must be something that plays into our sense that this is important if this person is giving me this message in a car. Is the car moving?

• 6:34Speaker 02

  I hope not.

• 6:35Conan O'Brien?

  I think it would be, you know, it would be really urgent and get a lot of clicks if you were in a very fast moving car.

• 6:41Speaker 03

  Like an F1 car.

• 6:42Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, F1 car and you were going at maybe, I'm just gonna say 160 miles an hour.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  Should we do the podcast that way, all three of us in an F1?

• 6:51Speaker 02

  No.

• 6:52Conan O'Brien?

  Yes, one really wide bodied F1 where we're all together. You just see our heads rocketing around with helmets on.

• 7:01Conan O'Brien?

  So, okay, I want to get into, that's interesting. Be in a moving car. What are the other rules for making a successful TikTok video that gets people to buy your product? Besides a moving car?

• 7:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Great question. I think it's a big part is the hook. 80% of the work, the first like two, three seconds, you wanna, you wanna grab them. So like, you know, never buy this perfume. If you buy this perfume, you're gonna regret it because it's going to make all the guys cheat on their wives. They won't stop smelling you. Just like hook them in, you know, do a little twist and then.

• 7:38Conan O'Brien?

  So, I mean, good hooks would be, um, there's a meteor coming, there's one place to hide. And then you're like, wait, what, what, where do I hide?

• 7:48Conan O'Brien?

  No need to hide if you're wearing this perfume. So you get them with an urgent message first. Is that right?

• 7:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. You're really fast. Yeah.

• 7:55Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I think I could do that. We should start doing that. These are things we could, okay, from now on on the podcast, it's the three of us in an F1. Every podcast doesn't start with, hi, I'm blank and I want to be Conan O'Brien's friend. We're not doing that shit anymore. It's, um, uh, your house is on fire, but I can stop it. And then you're like, wait, what? How are you gonna, wait, where's my house on fire? How can I stop it? Well, today we have Ike Barinholtz.

• 8:25Conan O'Brien?

  And we're gonna talk about comedy improv. And Sona's gonna, Sona's gonna tell a story about the time that she stayed out really late and had too much to drink. A bunch of years ago.

• 8:40Speaker 02

  Which story?

• 8:40Conan O'Brien?

  When she was irresponsible.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 8:41Speaker 02

  Alright, yeah.

• 8:44Conan O'Brien?

  Um, okay, well, this is good. I'm learning things. And then, how do you end a TikTok video? What do you do? What's the way to end it appropriately?

• 8:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:54Speaker 03

  They all end in a car crash.

• 8:56Conan O'Brien?

  Yes, they are going to when the car is moving, uh, in an F1.

• 8:59Speaker 02

  But before we die, click, click. Oh, no, Sandra. No, no, sorry. That was dark. I'm so sorry. That's inappropriate.

• 9:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they gotta, they gotta make the purchase. No, they, they, they really can't. They, you can buy the, you can buy right on, uh, on TikTok shop. And usually there's like, there's a timer, there's an, an exclusive deal. It depends on how, how you do it. If you have like a perfume channel and you're more for the long-term views.

• 9:27Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 9:27Speaker 02

  You might play things differently.

• 9:28Conan O'Brien?

  So let me try this right now. Uh, I'm in an F1 with these two idiots. We're going at 160 miles an hour.

• 9:37Conan O'Brien?

  You know, and this, wow, that's a, what is that, a Wankel engine from the 1970s?

• 9:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, a rotary Wankel.

• 9:44Conan O'Brien?

  That's a rotary Wankel. Nice.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  I can't mind being in an F1.

• 9:48Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, you're doing it right now.

• 9:49Speaker 02

  Is that how it is?

• 9:50Conan O'Brien?

  And then it's, this thing starts.

• 9:52Speaker 03

  No, you're having a seizure.

• 9:52Conan O'Brien?

  And I just say, I have gold. Do you want some? That's what I'm saying when we're going 160 miles an hour. I have gold. Do you want some? And then, hey, today it's like Barrenholz. We're gonna talk about comedy. Well, that's all I have for today. Um, you keep us these a podcast, uh, or, or, you'll be buried in cement.

• 10:17Conan O'Brien?

  Is that, that's, is that what you're talking about?

• 10:19Speaker 02

  But the, you needed the call to action.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:21Speaker 02

  Like the press, press this button, you know, like, uh, comment, comment, hey, or something.

• 10:31Conan O'Brien?

  I'm sorry. Can I just say something? Sandra, I really like you, but you have, you're terrible at being urgent. You just don't have an urgent vibe. I always have an urgent vibe and you saying, "Come on, just click." Or, "You don't have to, but maybe click the thing."

• 10:49Speaker 01

  I'll, I'll, I'll work on it.

• 10:58Conan O'Brien?

  You know, winning an award, that's a big achievement, right?

• 11:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:01Conan O'Brien?

  Every now and then in life, maybe something nice like that comes your way. Winning them consistently is almost impossible. It just doesn't happen, you know? Well, guess what? Winning five times in six years? You know what that sounds like to me? Sustained excellence.

• 11:15Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 11:16Conan O'Brien?

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• 11:24Speaker 01

  I drive a Hyundai Palisade and I love my car. I love it. I love driving it around.

• 11:29Conan O'Brien?

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• 11:48Speaker 01

  Hello.

• 11:49Conan O'Brien?

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• 12:24Conan O'Brien?

  This fall, I want to try something different.

• 12:25Speaker 01

  What?

• 12:26Conan O'Brien?

  I like to change it up. I like to learn things, so I'm gonna try and make apple cider.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 12:30Conan O'Brien?

  Every morning.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 12:31Conan O'Brien?

  This fall, just to see if I can do it.

• 12:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:33Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, fall's the perfect season to try something new, like joining T-Mobile.

• 12:37Speaker 01

  Oh, that's good.

• 12:38Conan O'Brien?

  See what I did?

• 12:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:39Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, there are 250 reasons to join T-Mobile right now. You want to hear what they are?

• 12:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:43Conan O'Brien?

  They're America's best network.

• 12:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 12:45Conan O'Brien?

  True story. Plus, T-Mobile has got off-grid satellite coverage. That comes in really handy. I like to just wander in the woods sometimes.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  Oh, that's weird.

• 12:53Conan O'Brien?

  When I'm thinking about, like, making apple cider. And that's when it comes in handy. Here's another reason. High-speed data in over 215 countries and destinations. I travel a lot for the

• 13:02Speaker 01

  Travel a lot.

• 13:03Conan O'Brien?

  Travel show that I do.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:04Conan O'Brien?

  Stream this podcast while ignoring local landmarks. That's always fun to do. Like, oh, look, there's the Mona Lisa. Yeah, check it out. I'm in the Louvre. I should, but I'm listening to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  That doesn't seem like a good idea.

• 13:16Conan O'Brien?

  It's a great idea.

• 13:17Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 13:17Conan O'Brien?

  You know, you can see art anytime. But how often can you listen to this podcast?

• 13:22Speaker 01

  My god.

• 13:23Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Now, all these reasons make T-Mobile a great choice.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 13:28Conan O'Brien?

  T-Mobile is stacking up reasons to join. Go to T-Mobile.com and find yours best based on analysis by Ookla of speed test intelligence data first half of 2026. Can't believe I read that. T-Satellite with capable devices in most outdoor areas in the U.S. where you can see the sky. High-speed international data with qualifying plan. Visit T-Mobile.com. Consult a physician. I just threw that in there.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 13:55Conan O'Brien?

  When you hear Alka-Seltzer, you probably think heartburn, right?

• 13:58Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 13:58Conan O'Brien?

  Well, did you know Alka-Seltzer has a line of cold and flu medications known as Alka-Seltzer Cold? Did you know that, David?

• 14:06Speaker 04

  No, but I feel like we need it.

• 14:07Conan O'Brien?

  Why didn't you know that, David?

• 14:08Speaker 04

  I know you expect me to know everything.

• 14:10Conan O'Brien?

  I knew this.

• 14:11Speaker 04

  Did you?

• 14:11Conan O'Brien?

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• 14:47Conan O'Brien?

  So, you have to admit, the holidays, it's really about hanging with the people you love.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:53Conan O'Brien?

  And getting to be yourself. Not going to some stuffy holiday party where you need to conform to what the man wants you to think about the holidays.

• 15:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:03Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, it's about being yourself. Turn your holiday time into Miller time by enjoying a Miller Lite in a place where you're free to enjoy yourself on a walk with a cousin. With a cousin? Why are they getting all specific about?

• 15:14Speaker 01

  It's family.

• 15:14Conan O'Brien?

  But what about a niece or a nephew?

• 15:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:18Conan O'Brien?

  Like a walk with an ex-wife? I don't know. I mean, they're just throwing, that's a weird, they just made a very specific choice.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:25Conan O'Brien?

  Now's the time for those unexpected holiday side guests and enjoy a great tasting light beer. 'Tis Miller time, as Dickens wrote.

• 15:34Conan O'Brien?

  Miller Lite is brewed for taste, the taste you can depend on. The original light beer since 1975 and still iconic more than 50 years later. I like to be with my bros, my chums, my posse, crack open a Miller Lite, take a swig, a sip, look around and see my friends. We've known each other forever and we're just hanging out.

• 15:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, you guys are just doing chest bumps and high fiving.

• 15:55Conan O'Brien?

  Miller Lite is great taste done right. Go to millerlite.com/conan to find delivery options near you, or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. Tis Miller time. Celebrate responsibly Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.

• 16:17Speaker 03

  I understand you might have an idea for some scents for the three of us.

• 16:21Speaker 02

  I do, yeah, yeah. And, and they're, they're, they're unique, they're different angles.

• 16:29Speaker 02

  Matt, I'll start with you. I really like your last name.

• 16:32Speaker 03

  Oh, thank you.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  Uh, and I feel like you're-

• 16:34Speaker 03

  It's my sister's last name, too.

• 16:36Speaker 02

  Wow, that's crazy, Greta.

• 16:38Speaker 03

  Good old Greta Gorley.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  You're like super nice and clean cut and I feel like we should have something that sort of clashes with that and brings some interest. So there's, there's a perfume.

• 16:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, Drakkar.

• 16:55Speaker 02

  There's a perfume-

• 16:56Speaker 03

  That's what I wore in high school.

• 16:57Speaker 01

  It was? Or you were a meanie?

• 16:59Speaker 03

  I was, just in high school.

• 17:03Conan O'Brien?

  So you wore a, you wore a scent in high school, man?

• 17:06Speaker 03

  I wore a cologne in high school, yeah, for like a year. I went from Drakkar to Fahrenheit.

• 17:11Conan O'Brien?

  And then they let you out of the locker?

• 17:14Speaker 03

  No, they never did. I had to chew my way out.

• 17:17Conan O'Brien?

  They said, "You can come out now, but you put that scent on again and we'll pound you, nerd." Um, okay.

• 17:24Speaker 03

  Sorry, go ahead, Sandra.

• 17:25Conan O'Brien?

  So what's the scent you're thinking of for, for Matt?

• 17:28Speaker 02

  Okay, it's a scent called "A City on Fire" by Imaginary Authors. It's very like burnt matches, like a, like a, like a fire gone wrong. It's Cormac McCarthy-like, it's very dark and moody and smoky.

• 17:45Conan O'Brien?

  Sandra, can I just put matches out on him?

• 17:48Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 17:49Speaker 01

  No.

• 17:49Speaker 03

  Fun's fun, guys. All right, we're having a good time. Okay, okay.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  And then we'll stick them in a locker, right?

• 17:54Conan O'Brien?

  I got you some burnt match smell.

• 17:56Speaker 03

  Okay, we're having some fun. All right, but nothing will get done in student government if I'm in there, okay?

• 18:03Conan O'Brien?

  You're right. You're right. You're right. If he has to stop and put on ointments, we'll never get this student government form.

• 18:08Speaker 03

  Does this line of fragrance truly exist, or are you making this up?

• 18:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. This is at my perfume shop.

• 18:14Speaker 03

  There's a Cormac McCarthy-inspired fragrance?

• 18:19Speaker 02

  Correct. I tie it to Cormac McCarthy.

• 18:22Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, I thought the slogan was, um, swell, uh, smell the way he wrote.

• 18:29Speaker 02

  That's a good one.

• 18:30Speaker 01

  Cormac it up!

• 18:31Speaker 02

  I'll tell that to my customers. Yeah.

• 18:32Speaker 03

  Charred baby.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 18:36Speaker 03

  Look, I didn't write it.

• 18:37Conan O'Brien?

  That was rough.

• 18:38Speaker 01

  Cormac daddy.

• 18:39Speaker 03

  That's me.

• 18:39Speaker 01

  Yay!

• 18:40Conan O'Brien?

  Nice, there you go. Sona, that was a good one.

• 18:44Speaker 01

  I know, it was a good one. Thank you.

• 18:45Conan O'Brien?

  No, let's not overdo it. Um, I was being polite. Okay, what would Sona's scent be?

• 18:52Speaker 02

  So, Sona, I thought you would go with something like, clean, a little edgy, not too floral and girly, but just like, luxurious and not too much. So I thought Nemat Amber Oil. It's like a perfume oil you put on your, your hotspots.

• 19:07Speaker 01

  That's what I do. I do oils.

• 19:09Conan O'Brien?

  Hotspots?

• 19:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. Wait, what is this one called? I'm writing it down.

• 19:13Conan O'Brien?

  Wait, you, you, you apply oils, Sona?

• 19:16Speaker 01

  I do. I'm an oil person. I don't, I don't go fist-fist. I do a roll and then I put it on my, my spots.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  You know how to fist-fist?

• 19:23Conan O'Brien?

  What kind of, what, what's, what oils are you using these days?

• 19:27Speaker 01

  Right now, I'm using one that's actually, uh, it's called California and it's by, ah, it's a white bottle. I don't know.

• 19:36Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, yeah. It's by Carson McCullers. Yeah.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  La mat or mat? Like mat?

• 19:43Speaker 02

  No mat.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  No mat.

• 19:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's my brand fragrance.

• 19:47Conan O'Brien?

  Uh, this is very interesting. I'm thinking about this. So Sona, because sometimes I notice that you have like oil on you, but I didn't, I thought those were naturally occurring oils. I didn't know that that's something you're applying.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  I don't put it a lot on where you like, look at me and you're like, look at that oily bitch. It's like, it's, I am oily, like my face.

• 20:06Conan O'Brien?

  I said that to you once. I said that to you once and it was just me showing concern.

• 20:11Speaker 01

  It's, it's a, it's an oil. It just absorbs in your skin and it's not as strong as, right? Am I saying this right, Sandra? It's not as strong as like a fuss fuss kind of spray. It's a roll on spray and then it just absorbs and it's just there. So it's not overpowering.

• 20:24Conan O'Brien?

  Just rub rub. Yeah.

• 20:26Speaker 03

  Any splorts, splort?

• 20:28Speaker 01

  What are you splorting? Oh no.

• 20:31Conan O'Brien?

  Okay. Well, we've handled those two. I think they're all set and now, um, this is important. I'm a figure who's out in the world, a man of various affairs, a man of note. What should I be wearing, Sandra?

• 20:46Speaker 02

  All right, Conan, you got your leather jackets, you got the bombers, the plaid. I'm thinking something cowboy western. You're representing the US when you travel.

• 20:57Conan O'Brien?

  Yep. Is this like a Ralph Lauren cowboy chic thing?

• 21:01Speaker 02

  Hell yeah. Exactly.

• 21:03Conan O'Brien?

  Wow, that's very cool.

• 21:04Speaker 02

  The Yellowstone Ridge cologne.

• 21:07Conan O'Brien?

  Ooh.

• 21:08Speaker 02

  Uh, it's very western sage tobacco whiskey. Like you'll, you'll be a little cooler, Conan. I mean, you're, you're very, you're already super cool. It was just the, on top of that.

• 21:19Conan O'Brien?

  It's like, how does a satellite get higher, you know, but?

• 21:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's room in this locker, buddy. Come on in.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:25Conan O'Brien?

  So Yellowstone Ridge Cologne and who makes it?

• 21:29Speaker 03

  Kevin Costner.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  That's by true Western. I don't have this one yet, but.

• 21:34Conan O'Brien?

  How do I get it? I need to get this because I want to wear it, uh, I want to wear it over the holidays. I want to.

• 21:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, I want my Cormac McCarthy, like dystopian hellscape one.

• 21:45Speaker 01

  I'll take my oil too.

• 21:47Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, I don't want your oil, Sona.

• 21:52Speaker 02

  The other two, you could get on my site, but for you, Conan, you'd go on True Western, their website.

• 21:58Conan O'Brien?

  True Western.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  What's your site? What's your site, Sandra?

• 22:02Speaker 02

  It's We Hit Pan, W E H I T P A N, like you're hitting a pan.

• 22:08Conan O'Brien?

  Hey, Sandra, quick question. Is one of the rules that you learned besides show urgency and shoot it in your car also dupe popular podcasts into talking about your site? Is that something?

• 22:23Speaker 03

  She's not even a listener.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  Are you even a fan of Conan?

• 22:26Conan O'Brien?

  You don't care about us at all. You just, look at Sona, so tell us, what is it? Oh, here it is.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  We're all gonna buy this since she talks about it.

• 22:36Speaker 03

  She did call you Jimmy Fallon earlier.

• 22:37Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 22:38Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 22:40Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, wow, it's really great, wow. Sandra, come on, you just completely, you don't care about me at all. You don't even know who I am. You said, hey, that lady's got a podcast.

• 22:52Speaker 02

  I was prompted. You kept asking, it's like where to get it. And so I was like, oh, I guess I have to mention this.

• 23:01Conan O'Brien?

  Listen, I know what you did. You played me like a cello. And, and, and you know what? Game recognizes game.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:11Conan O'Brien?

  And I applaud you because what you did was beautiful. And our next podcast guest is from Muzzy Ford in Needham, Massachusetts. He wants to talk to us about the finest car on the road and where you can get it. Muzzy Ford.

• 23:26Speaker 02

  Oh, I thought that was real for a second.

• 23:30Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Sandra, do you?

• 23:32Speaker 03

  Well, that's the mind frame you're in.

• 23:33Conan O'Brien?

  Sandra, is there any way I can help you? Because we're just about out of time. Is there anything I can do for you? Because you, you seem genuinely nice. You're clearly very good at manipulating people in the media. What can I do for you?

• 23:47Speaker 02

  Yes, it has nothing to do with me, but Jordan Schlansky did a review of a 1977 Darth Vader helmet nine years ago. And I was wondering if you could do a review on the case that he was waiting for.

• 24:01Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, I don't think I even remember the case. Um, I don't remember-

• 24:06Speaker 02

  It hadn't come yet.

• 24:07Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, it hadn't come yet? Has it?

• 24:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:09Conan O'Brien?

  Has it shown up since? This was nine years ago?

• 24:12Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 24:13Conan O'Brien?

  If I know Jordan, he's still pacing around the UPS store angrily asking questions about the case for his Darth Vader helmet. Um, I don't know. I wish, I wish I could get a look at this case. I wish I had that case in my hands so I could smash it.

• 24:33Conan O'Brien?

  The way Harrison Ford smashed his Millennium Falcon made of Legos. I would like nothing more than to, than to do that. I could find out from Jordan, so I can't give a review right now. But I think I probably could. Uh, hey, if you're an incredible nerd to the 10th power, you've gotta have this special case for your limited edition Darth Vader helmet.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  Do you have a case for your Darth Vader stuff?

• 25:00Speaker 03

  I don't have a Darth Vader helmet.

• 25:02Speaker 02

  I don't believe you.

• 25:02Speaker 03

  But I have the case.

• 25:04Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, you thought Jordan was there?

• 25:05Speaker 03

  No, I don't.

• 25:06Speaker 02

  I did. I thought Jordan was there.

• 25:07Conan O'Brien?

  Oh my God, did you see what happened? Sandra just thought that Jordan was in the room because she couldn't see on the screen and she saw Sona point and say, "Do you have a Darth Vader helmet?" Sandra, you should see her reaction. She puts her hands to her mouth and freaks.

• 25:22Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 25:23Conan O'Brien?

  Because her, you love Jordan Schlansky, don't you?

• 25:28Speaker 02

  I don't know what was going on because Jordan Schlansky was here.

• 25:34Conan O'Brien?

  That's the biggest insult. You tricked me into promoting your site and your videos. And now you say I'm only here because of Jordan Schlansky and his Darth Vader helmet case?

• 25:47Speaker 02

  No, no, I'm here for you, Conan.

• 25:49Speaker 03

  Oh, unconvincing.

• 25:51Conan O'Brien?

  That was the worst.

• 25:52Speaker 01

  He didn't even look at you when she said it. Oh my god.

• 25:56Conan O'Brien?

  I'm gonna walk to the nearest cliff and like a romantic hero of the 18th century, I'll jump off into the waves.

• 26:04Speaker 01

  Don't do that.

• 26:04Conan O'Brien?

  No, I won't. Um, well, uh, I'm gonna get this. I'm gonna get Yellowstone Ridge Cologne from True Western. And just tell me how I apply it, because I honestly don't know. You said hotspots. I'm not even sure I have them. Where are they on the body?

• 26:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, it just releases heat more than other parts, so that area.

• 26:26Conan O'Brien?

  Well, we're on a podcast, so let's say the, the crook of the arm, you know?

• 26:31Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 26:32Conan O'Brien?

  The bend in the arm.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  You're, yes, exactly. Uh, even the bend in your, your knee behind there.

• 26:39Conan O'Brien?

  Really? Does anyone ever do low, low back or anything like that?

• 26:43Speaker 02

  What? I, I haven't heard that before.

• 26:45Conan O'Brien?

  My bottom gets very warm.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  Oh, you, yeah. No.

• 26:51Conan O'Brien?

  This is a call I used to make, this is a call I used to make at random in the eighties. I used to call random people and when they would pick up, I'd go, my bottom gets very warm. And then I'd hang up.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  You can start your TikTok videos like that.

• 27:04Conan O'Brien?

  Yes, there you go, driving in an F1. My bottom gets very warm. Okay, this is, uh, I need a friend. All right, so in the crook of the arm and what about, do you put them on your neck? You put a little scent on your neck or no?

• 27:17Speaker 02

  On either side and then do not rub. The, the perfume community will go after you if you rub.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm a rubber.

• 27:25Speaker 02

  Uh, the oils, I think you can, because it's just the base note. But like an alcohol perfume, there's a top note, a middle note, a base note, and you want it to go through the stages without messing with it. And when you press the molecules together, it'll mess up the notes.

• 27:41Conan O'Brien?

  I hate pressing molecules together.

• 27:45Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, Sandra, very nice talking to you. You seem like a lovely person, and I do wish you well with your business. We hit pan.

• 27:55Conan O'Brien?

  And I think you're providing a good service. And you know what? I'm glad, if you weren't happy with your job before, I'm glad that you found something that makes you happy. That's the whole trick in life, is find something you love doing and then somehow turn that into a job. I really believe that.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  Thank you so much. Yeah, appreciate it, guys.

• 28:13Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, I'm sending Jordan to your house with a Darth Vader helmet. He's headed over right now on a Vespa.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  Don't tease me.

• 28:21Conan O'Brien?

  I'm sorry. Yeah, exactly. Just calm down. Calm down, lady, calm down. Your dream's gonna come true. All right, take care. Thank you so much for calling in.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  Bye, Sandra.

• 28:32Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 28:32Conan O'Brien?

  Bye.

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• 29:22Conan O'Brien?

  When you hear Alka-Seltzer, you probably think heartburn, right?

• 29:24Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 29:25Conan O'Brien?

  Well, did you know Alka-Seltzer has a line of cold and flu medications known as Alka-Seltzer Cold? Did you know that, David?

• 29:32Speaker 04

  No, but I feel like we need it.

• 29:33Conan O'Brien?

  Why didn't you know that, David?

• 29:35Speaker 04

  I know, you expect me to know everything.

• 29:37Conan O'Brien?

  I knew this.

• 29:37Speaker 04

  Did you?

• 29:38Conan O'Brien?

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