Martin Short Returns Again

Martin Short feels sexually excited about being Conan O’Brien’s friend. Martin sits down with Conan once more to discuss taking Only Murders in the Building to London for its sixth season, revisiting the 1972 Toronto Godspell production with the documentary You Had To Be There, remembering the uproarious Gilda Radner, and more. For Conan videos, tour dates and more visit TeamCoco.com. Got a question for Conan? Call our voicemail: (323) 362-2295.

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• 1:00Conan O'Brien?

  Hi, my name is Martin Short.

• 1:06Conan O'Brien?

  And I feel sexually excited about being Conan O'Brien's friend. Oh, you hit the nail on the head, buddy. Oh, phrase maker.

• 1:17Speaker 03

  Fall is here, hear the yell. Back to school, ring the bell. Brand new shoes, walking blues. Climb the fence, books and pens. I can tell that we are gonna be friends. Cause I can tell that we are gonna be friends.

• 1:36Conan O'Brien?

  Hey there, welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend. And I am joined by my gang of goons.

• 1:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:43Conan O'Brien?

  Sonam Movsesian, Matt Gourley, how y'all doing? Pretty good, how are you?

• 1:47Speaker 04

  Good.

• 1:47Conan O'Brien?

  We're doing great. I just got back from Aspen.

• 1:50Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:50Conan O'Brien?

  I was in Aspen, Colorado, because I'm very proud. My, my wife, Liza, who's a very good writer, wrote a play that was accepted. Oh. At this festival in Aspen, Playwrights, and so they had different readings of different plays. And she did hers, and it was fantastic.

• 2:08Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 2:09Conan O'Brien?

  It's called Ruthless, and very beautifully directed by Mimi O'Donnell. And this actor, Jodie Markell, is great, and I was thrilled. And what's interesting is that it was a bit of a role reversal, because often I've got this big show to do or something, and Liza will come by and check it out if she wants to. Uh, but doesn't always want to, and I don't blame her. Um, cause she's got a lot of other things to do. But I was the plus one. So she would be working on, in rehearsals with the director and with the actor, and they were all working really hard. And I was just wandering around by myself in Aspen. It's kinda deserted right now. Really?

• 2:51Conan O'Brien?

  Cause the season's over, and the, the, the October season hasn't really kicked in yet for the leaves. So I was just wandering around by myself. I think three times I ran into a bear. Are you serious? I'm not kidding. I'm fascinated by bears. I love bears. I've always wanted to see a bear. The sad part is that there was not much rain in the mountains this year. So the bears are really hungry. If there's, if there's not as much snow and rain, and not a lot of snowpack, uh, I guess there's less food for the bears. So they came down into Aspen, and they were queuing up at coffee shops. Dining out. I mean, they were everywhere, but I did see, twice I saw, maybe even three times, that wasn't a bear. Uh, that was some dude.

• 3:37Speaker 04

  Maybe he was a bear.

• 3:38Conan O'Brien?

  There we go. Yeah, there you go, yeah. He heard there were bears in town, and he misunderstood.

• 3:46Speaker 04

  Do you get scared?

• 3:47Conan O'Brien?

  Uh, no, I don't. I should get scared, but I will go towards a bear. And I will admit now, that is the wrong thing to do. You will go towards a bear? I will, I guess if I was on a trail and I saw a grizzly, I'd back up. But I, I have just terrible instincts in a situation like that, because I so love a bear, and I just wanna tickle him and see what happens.

• 4:07Speaker 04

  Oh, I don't think he wants to tickle you.

• 4:10Conan O'Brien?

  Well, he did when he found out I was wearing my underwear bacon. No, I'm sorry, I said that backwards. My bacon underwear, I just reversed it. You eat underwear for breakfast? I eat underwear strips next to some eggs. I meant to say bacon underwear, but I'm a little jet lagged from my Aspen trip. Uh, but it was, um, it was really fun, and I do, yeah, when you see a bear, it's electrifying. I mean, it, it's not that scary, cause I think, uh, these bears don't wanna see you as much as, you know. Is it that certain bears are scared off by, like, they say you're supposed to get as big as you can. So you're tall, and you're very visible. The rule is, black attack, brown lay down.

• 4:54Speaker 04

  We've learned that here.

• 4:55Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, we did.

• 4:56Speaker 04

  We learned that here.

• 4:57Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Wait, so you're saying if it's a black bear, you're supposed to attack it? Well, I think like Gourley is saying, make yourself big. No, no, no, no, no, no. But no one says you're supposed to attack it. If you're listening right now, and you just heard what Blay said, that means Blay hears that there's a black bear somewhere in the vicinity, and suits up. It's why I have my swords, it's why I have all my swords. Gets one of his nerd swords, or a lightsaber, and starts looking for it to kick ass. No.

• 5:24Speaker 04

  Nothing else rhymes with black.

• 5:25Conan O'Brien?

  They do say you can, you can, uh, make yourself big. Mostly it's make noise. So a lot of people, uh, in, in, walking around were, had air horns, or knew to make noise. So you, were there all black bears there? Is it, is that how it works? The ones I saw, the two I saw looked pretty brown, but, um, but I don't know if they were just wearing a brown coat.

• 5:48Conan O'Brien?

  I saw very fashionable black bears, wearing beautiful, uh, Ralph Lauren brown coats.

• 5:54Speaker 04

  Are you a good audience member, or do you like?

• 5:57Conan O'Brien?

  No, I'm good, I'm good.

• 5:58Speaker 04

  Are you? Okay, cause I, you know, I, I wonder if sometimes you hear somebody tell a joke and they don't say it right? Are you, like, in your head, are you like, oh, you could've delivered that better?

• 6:06Conan O'Brien?

  I get into it, I can get into it. I think I'm a good audience member. I used to go and see other comedians perform, and I didn't even realize I was doing this, but the whole time I was shouting, "Why aren't I up there?"

• 6:20Speaker 04

  You didn't realize you were doing it?

• 6:22Conan O'Brien?

  I didn't realize it, and then Liza would say, "You realize what you're saying." Did I? Yes. John Mulaney was performing, and you shouted, "Why aren't I up there?" And the audience in unison said, "'Cause we prefer John Mulaney."

• 6:37Conan O'Brien?

  He's less needy. But no, I, I really get into it. I, I was, I was loving it. Can we see Liza's play? Will it play anywhere else? I don't know what the future is. Uh, it's called Ruthless. And, um, I don't know if I should say too much, uh, about what the play's about, but it was, uh, it's really good. I'm really proud of her. Yeah, so that happened, but it was just funny to be wandering around. I had a lot of time on my own. At one point, I rented a bicycle, and I rode down to Woody Creek. Woody Creek, uh, there's a tavern in Woody Creek that used to be frequented by Hunter S. Thompson. Oh, wow. Who was a guest on my old late night show twice, and I had an amazing time with him. He's such an iconic figure in Aspen. Uh, he's just a great writer, amazing personality.

• 7:22Conan O'Brien?

  Um, and he used to hang out in this place called the Woody Creek Tavern. And I go in, and I, I met this gentleman, a complete stranger, named Kevin. And he said, "I'll ride down with you," so we rode down there on bikes together. Beautiful, insanely beautiful countryside, just gorgeous. And you're on this amazing bike trail. We went down to the Woody Creek Tavern.

• 7:41Speaker 04

  You made a friend?

• 7:42Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 7:42Speaker 04

  That's nice.

• 7:43Conan O'Brien?

  And it wasn't through the podcast. He said, "I should tell you, I hate the podcast." But that doesn't mean the podcast is over, officially now.

• 7:50Speaker 04

  That's fun when you bro down.

• 7:51Conan O'Brien?

  Finally got one after all this time. But we rode down to the Woody Creek Tavern, and we belly up to the bar to get a sandwich. All of a sudden, I hear the song "Nine to Five" playing. Oh. And maybe 12 women wearing wigs and Dolly Parton t-shirts. Matt O'Brien! This is perfect.

• 8:09Speaker 04

  Perfect.

• 8:10Conan O'Brien?

  Hello, Matt?

• 8:11Speaker 05

  Hey, I'm right here.

• 8:12Conan O'Brien?

  Uh, yeah, uh, Matt, I'm, uh, doing the podcast right now, and I forgot to turn off my phone. So this is perfect, because now you famously have blundered onto the pod, and you're being recorded as we speak. Hi, Matt.

• 8:26Speaker 04

  Hi, Matt!

• 8:27Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, it's fantastic.

• 8:28Speaker 05

  What are you talking about?

• 8:28Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, well, we were just talking about how different writers of mine over the years have annoyed me.

• 8:35Conan O'Brien?

  And I was just about to get to you and say, Matt O'Brien, no relation, but, uh, you know, brilliant writer of mine, worked with me, he works with me, uh, on, on all my different endeavors. You also work on The Daily Show. And, uh, you are fantastic, but you have this habit of always, uh, interrupting me, and just showing up at the wrong time. And sure enough, here I was telling an amazing story about my trip to Aspen, the Woody Creek Tavern, and how I ran into a bunch of women celebrating the life of Dolly Parton, wearing wigs. And then selling you the phone. Would you say?

• 9:06Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 9:07Conan O'Brien?

  Would you say?

• 9:07Speaker 05

  I'm going.

• 9:08Conan O'Brien?

  Would you say?

• 9:09Speaker 05

  Go right ahead.

• 9:11Conan O'Brien?

  What did you say, Matt? Repeat it.

• 9:12Speaker 05

  I said it sounds privileged.

• 9:14Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, it sounds privileged! It sounds privileged.

• 9:19Conan O'Brien?

  I went there to see Liza's play, it was a wonderful play. And then I rode a bicycle down to a tavern, and that's me in the one half of 1%.

• 9:29Speaker 05

  Aren't you gonna ask me what it feels like to be her friend?

• 9:34Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, why don't you tell people, this is, this is actually, let's. Yeah, we'll put the music in. This, yeah, we'll, quickly, Matt, tell the people listening, cause this was a complete accident that you called in, because I would never arrange for you to call in, in a million years. You are the last person on that list. Um, Matt, you've worked with me in, you know, Oscars, Emmys, the, the late night show, uh, travel show. Uh, you, you, you know, you're, you're an incredible fellow.

• 10:03Speaker 05

  Hey, thanks.

• 10:05Conan O'Brien?

  Wow. Wow, you sound, yeah, that was all you could muster, huh, Matt? But people, that's a good question. What is it like to be my friend?

• 10:12Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 10:17Speaker 05

  Hi, I'm Matt O'Brien.

• 10:21Speaker 05

  And I am tortured to the very core of my soul to be Conan O'Brien.

• 10:29Conan O'Brien?

  Is it, in a nutshell, what's it like, Matt? I'm a real sweet guy, aren't I? A real chum for the ages, wouldn't you say?

• 10:35Speaker 04

  After you said he'd be the last person you'd call.

• 10:38Speaker 05

  I'm sorry, what did you say?

• 10:39Conan O'Brien?

  How often do I text you or call you?

• 10:41Speaker 05

  Pretty often. It's usually just, but terse, nonsensical stuff that doesn't, it wouldn't really translate.

• 10:48Conan O'Brien?

  Right. It's just most of what our conversations are me saying absolute nonsense and you asking me to get to the point.

• 10:54Speaker 05

  Yeah. However, whatever tangents that they edit out from the podcast end up on our text messages.

• 11:07Conan O'Brien?

  Well, someday I'll get you on a real segment and we'll talk about what it's really like to be a friend to Conan O'Brien.

• 11:15Speaker 05

  I'd be happy to share.

• 11:16Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, and then we'll edit it and we'll make sure that it's suitable for listening. Okay?

• 11:21Speaker 05

  Well, I'm sorry to interrupt. I was returning your call, though, so, in a way.

• 11:26Conan O'Brien?

  I did. I called you this morning and I think I said some nonsense onto a voicemail that doesn't make, so I apologize for wasting more of your life.

• 11:34Speaker 05

  I should play at some point for your audience, I have a bunch of old voicemails from you, and each one is just gibberish, then the next one gibberish, and then more gibberish, and it just builds to this crescendo of an insane person spinning out on someone's voicemail.

• 11:50Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 11:50Conan O'Brien?

  I will make sure we never get to that segment. All right, Matt O'Brien, until we see you again, good night and God bless.

• 11:55Speaker 05

  Bye, guys.

• 11:56Speaker 04

  Bye, Matt. Say hi to Meghan.

• 11:58Conan O'Brien?

  Hilarious writer.

• 11:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:00Conan O'Brien?

  Yes, and a shout out to his lovely wife, Meghan.

• 12:02Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 12:02Conan O'Brien?

  All right, so anyway, that was both my quick trip to Aspen, ran into some wonderful women celebrating the life of Dolly Parton, who made me dance to the song "Nine to Five" with them, total happening, and now I'm back and this was all interrupted by a very good writer, but an annoying friend, Matt O'Brien.

• 12:21Speaker 04

  That's awesome.

• 12:21Conan O'Brien?

  All right, they've written an introduction for our guest today, which is just insane. Why would I need to read off an introduction? It says, "My next guest is a hilarious comedian, a good friend who stars on the hit Hulu series Only Murders in the Building," and in the documentary, "You Had to Be There," which I've watched and it's fantastic. But I'm just gonna shorten this. This is the funniest person you'll ever meet in the world, and he's one of my dear friends, and I can never believe that he even knows my name, if he does.

• 12:57Conan O'Brien?

  Martin Short, welcome.

• 13:03Conan O'Brien?

  We had a little time in London recently.

• 13:06Speaker 06

  Yes, we did.

• 13:07Conan O'Brien?

  I was there to interview a certain Mick Jagger clang, a name drop, and then you were there shooting a wonderful new season of Only Murders in the Building.

• 13:18Speaker 06

  Only Murders in the Building, which we're this season calling Only Murders in London.

• 13:21Conan O'Brien?

  In London, very nice. Always good to switch it up. Then, it's like when the Brady Bunch went to Hawaii, and I got together with you at a lovely restaurant.

• 13:30Speaker 06

  I wonder what would happen if you ever did a reference that played to people under 60.

• 13:37Speaker 06

  Wouldn't that be great? Just to try it.

• 13:40Conan O'Brien?

  I'm afraid. I'm afraid to get outside my bubble.

• 13:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:44Conan O'Brien?

  It's like when Hannah Montana went to Sicily.

• 13:47Speaker 06

  There you go.

• 13:49Conan O'Brien?

  Wow. And she meets the mob.

• 13:53Conan O'Brien?

  But we had a lovely time together, just you and I in London. Wasn't that something?

• 13:58Speaker 06

  We had a fabulous dinner at the River Cafe.

• 14:01Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, and I thought, this is, I know that I started out, I wanted this to be an insult, but instead it's morphing into, I get to have dinner with Martin Short. That's the overwhelming feeling that I had that night. But then we really talked and I felt differently.

• 14:18Speaker 06

  I know.

• 14:19Conan O'Brien?

  I changed my opinion.

• 14:20Speaker 06

  And I kept looking at you and thinking, you know, it's almost like I was seeing you in a new light, because that night I thought, he looks like the love child between Lurch and Kathy Griffin. And I don't often feel that about people.

• 14:38Speaker 06

  Because you're very, you know, you're pale.

• 14:42Speaker 06

  You're very pale. You look like a Q-tip with ketchup on it.

• 14:49Conan O'Brien?

  It's not fair.

• 14:50Speaker 06

  No, I mean, you're white. You look like a human surrender.

• 14:55Conan O'Brien?

  Yes.

• 14:58Conan O'Brien?

  Which I kind of am.

• 15:00Speaker 06

  No, but you handle it all well, because that night people would come up, remember, you were so recognized, or you thought.

• 15:06Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I thought.

• 15:06Speaker 06

  And then people would come up, "Oh, big fan, Tilda Smitton."

• 15:11Conan O'Brien?

  And I took it graciously.

• 15:12Speaker 06

  It was beautiful.

• 15:12Conan O'Brien?

  I was very gracious.

• 15:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 15:14Conan O'Brien?

  No, it's a miracle whenever you're here.

• 15:17Speaker 06

  In what way?

• 15:18Conan O'Brien?

  Well, I don't, I mean, I think. You've reached a certain age where I'm shocked when you show up, you know? It's incredible.

• 15:25Speaker 06

  Meanwhile, you look like Ed Sheeran in a funhouse mirror, so I wouldn't, you're a hot one to talk.

• 15:35Conan O'Brien?

  I need to say that Matt Gourley and Son of Sessian loathe me, and they love it. Their favorite thing is when Marty Short stops by.

• 15:44Speaker 06

  This feels like The Purge.

• 15:46Conan O'Brien?

  This is The Purge.

• 15:47Speaker 06

  One time a year where it's.

• 15:48Conan O'Brien?

  Well, I love being here because, you know, I'm gonna do Amy Poehler's podcast, I need to rehearse stuff.

• 15:54Conan O'Brien?

  You need to get ready for the big time.

• 15:56Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 15:57Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I understand.

• 15:57Speaker 06

  This is like, you know, in Boston when they take shows there.

• 16:01Conan O'Brien?

  That's good hang.

• 16:02Speaker 06

  Now, we're very.

• 16:03Conan O'Brien?

  I don't know what we are. We're not good hang. I don't know what we are.

• 16:06Speaker 06

  No, we love each other. Everyone knows that.

• 16:08Conan O'Brien?

  Do they?

• 16:09Speaker 06

  We are closer than Cash Patel's eyes. I mean, we are a team.

• 16:15Conan O'Brien?

  I was watching him today on the news. He does look like he's been hit over the head with a pan.

• 16:20Speaker 06

  Oh, he really has.

• 16:22Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, my God, that poor fellow.

• 16:23Speaker 06

  Yeah. He looks like if cocaine had a face.

• 16:34Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, God, you know, we do have to bring up that you did get, you have the best slam, Conan O'Brien slams of all time. You slam everyone, but.

• 16:43Speaker 06

  But they're easy.

• 16:44Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, boy. Yes, I know, we don't have to get into how easy they are.

• 16:46Speaker 06

  No, I mean, my God.

• 16:47Conan O'Brien?

  But boy, do you salivate.

• 16:48Speaker 06

  I mean, this is a guy who's known as Carrot Bottom, you know?

• 16:57Conan O'Brien?

  Do you remember the time you came on the show and you just got me with so many great, and I'm dying laughing the whole time? And then one of my fans, remember, one of my fans was online saying.

• 17:07Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:07Conan O'Brien?

  "Oh, you know, do you realize that Conan's 6'4" and he could take you apart?" What are you talking about? This is me in heaven with the person, and I, trust me, I like Liza, but I love Marty Short. I'm so happy when you go after me, it just fills me with joy.

• 17:24Speaker 06

  But no, no, it's very hard to do because you are a handsome thing, although you do look.

• 17:28Conan O'Brien?

  Uh-oh, here we go.

• 17:29Speaker 06

  No, no, no.

• 17:30Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, and to be fair, I do, go ahead.

• 17:31Speaker 06

  You know those inflatable tube men in front of a used car lot?

• 17:36Conan O'Brien?

  There you go. Listen, I know beneath all of this scorn and hate.

• 17:40Speaker 06

  No, no, no, love, love.

• 17:41Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, yes, I had it all wrong.

• 17:44Speaker 06

  Because we're both Irish.

• 17:45Conan O'Brien?

  Yes.

• 17:45Speaker 06

  You know?

• 17:46Conan O'Brien?

  And your dad, from, born and raised in Ireland.

• 17:49Speaker 06

  And I always thought that, see, I would, when I first met you, I thought, okay, he is the product of an Irish woman and a tabby cat.

• 18:01Speaker 06

  And that's the look.

• 18:03Conan O'Brien?

  That's kind of the look, but few people have influenced me more than this gentleman here.

• 18:08Speaker 06

  He won't win.

• 18:10Conan O'Brien?

  I look at you and I know, drink less, get a lot of sleep, moisturize.

• 18:16Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 18:16Conan O'Brien?

  No.

• 18:17Speaker 06

  Moisturize.

• 18:18Conan O'Brien?

  Well, we're gonna get, we're gonna talk about this, there's so much to talk about, but I just watched "You Had to Be There," which is a documentary about, it's your origin story, but it's not just your origin story. Every, seemingly every funny person in Canada got together or auditioned for this one production of Godspell.

• 18:38Speaker 06

  Well, it was a fascinating time. It was 1972, you know, I have a slight Rain Man for dates, it was March 25th, 1972, and these were the callbacks for Godspell. But there was a world in Toronto at that time, there was just like a ripe field of unbelievable talent.

• 18:54Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 18:55Speaker 06

  But it hadn't been picked. So I remember knowing Danny Aykroyd then, but he always kind of smelled the gasoline because he was always working on his car, he wanted to be a Mountie at that time.

• 19:04Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 19:05Speaker 06

  And so this Godspell edition, the callbacks, there were like 500 people. Everyone wanted it, and then there were fans, I mean, friends of the people auditioning for the callback at the back, it felt like American Idol.

• 19:19Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 19:19Speaker 06

  And they narrowed it down to 10 people, and it was Gilda Radner, Andrea Martin, Eugene Levy, Paul Shaffer, Martin Short, Victor Garber was Jesus, and it was just, and this was a 24-year-old Stephen Schwartz kind of going, like, he was kind of, and I remember there was a one moment, where it was between me and this other very talented guy named Andrew, and I remember Stephen was on the stage, he went, "Andrew, you are fabulous. I think we're gonna go with Martin."

• 19:50Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 19:51Speaker 06

  And you kind of went.

• 19:52Conan O'Brien?

  And it seemed like just because.

• 19:53Speaker 06

  It did seem surreal, I was still in university, I still had exams to do.

• 19:57Conan O'Brien?

  So I watched this documentary, and it's made for someone like me, because as I've said many times. The show that influenced me much more than Saturday Night Live was SCTV. And that was the show that was for me and also introduced me to a way of thinking about comedy that was very funny slash stupid slash smart slash complicated and intricate. It was a atom bomb blast for me. It was everything. And so that's how I got to know all these hilarious people. My brothers and I watched it together. I think we got it off a Buffalo station. We were in Rhode Island at my grandfather's little cottage and it got bounced off and my brothers

• 20:39Conan O'Brien?

  and I would watch it and we built this religion around SCTV. All these amazing people and to this day, I mean, it was the same with Catherine O'Hara, you, Eugene, anyone, Joe Flaherty, anyone from the Andrea, anyone from that cast. Whenever I meet them, I step outside my body to this day and think I get to talk to them and I think they know my name. That's how crazy it was. And then to find out the origin story for a lot of this is this, you know, when I first heard this, oh, there's this amazing legendary run of Godspell, 1972 Toronto. And I, I don't think of Godspell as like a hip, cool.

• 21:20Speaker 06

  No, I think what it was is it just, I mean, it's a great show, but I think, and of the time it was kind of important, but I think the reality is that it was odd that all these people, I mean, Gilda Radner, she had never worked before.

• 21:36Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 21:36Speaker 06

  And she got up and auditioned with Zippity Doodah.

• 21:40Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 21:41Speaker 06

  And she had two pigtails going out and she was wearing bib overalls and she just marched around, zippity doo. And I thought, look, that's the saddest thing I've ever seen. That poor special needs lady, you know?

• 22:04Conan O'Brien?

  Did you know that one in four Americans targeted by scams end up falling for them?

• 22:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:08Conan O'Brien?

  You fell for it.

• 22:09Speaker 04

  I fell for a scam.

• 22:10Conan O'Brien?

  Now, you didn't lose too much money, but you did lose.

• 22:12Speaker 04

  I did lose and it was very inconvenient and now they put protections on my account like I'm dumb.

• 22:18Conan O'Brien?

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• 22:39Speaker 04

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• 22:39Conan O'Brien?

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• 22:40Speaker 04

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• 22:41Conan O'Brien?

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• 22:43Conan O'Brien?

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• 22:55Conan O'Brien?

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• 23:26Conan O'Brien?

  This fall, I want to try something different.

• 23:28Speaker 04

  What?

• 23:28Conan O'Brien?

  I like to change it up. I like to learn things. So I'm going to try and make apple cider.

• 23:32Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 23:32Conan O'Brien?

  Every morning.

• 23:33Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 23:34Conan O'Brien?

  This fall, just to see if I can do it.

• 23:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:36Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, fall is the perfect season to try something new, like joining T-Mobile.

• 23:40Speaker 04

  Oh, that's good.

• 23:41Conan O'Brien?

  See what I did?

• 23:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:42Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. There are 250 reasons to join T-Mobile right now. You want to hear what they are?

• 23:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:46Conan O'Brien?

  They're America's best network.

• 23:47Speaker 04

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• 23:48Conan O'Brien?

  True story. Plus, T-Mobile has got off-grid satellite coverage. That comes in really handy. I like to just wander in the woods sometimes.

• 23:55Speaker 04

  Oh, that's weird.

• 23:55Conan O'Brien?

  When I'm thinking about like making apple cider and that's when it comes in handy. Here's another reason. High-speed data in over 215 countries and destinations. I travel a lot.

• 24:05Speaker 04

  You travel a lot.

• 24:05Conan O'Brien?

  For the travel show that I do.

• 24:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:07Conan O'Brien?

  Stream this podcast while ignoring local landmarks. That's always fun to do. Like, oh, look, there's the Mona Lisa. Yeah, I'd check it out. I'm in the Louvre. I should, but I'm listening to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend.

• 24:17Speaker 04

  That doesn't seem like a good idea.

• 24:18Conan O'Brien?

  It's a great idea.

• 24:19Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 24:20Conan O'Brien?

  You know, you can see art anytime, but how often can you listen to this podcast?

• 24:25Speaker 04

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• 24:26Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 24:26Speaker 04

  What?

• 24:27Conan O'Brien?

  Now, all these reasons make T-Mobile a great choice.

• 24:30Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 24:30Conan O'Brien?

  T-Mobile is stacking up reasons to join. Go to tmobile.com and find yours best. Based on analysis by Ookla of speed test intelligence data, first half of 2026. Can't believe I read that. T-Satellite with capable devices in most outdoor areas in the US where you can see the sky. High-speed international data with qualifying plan. Visit tmobile.com. Consult a physician. I just threw that in there.

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• 25:14Conan O'Brien?

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• 25:31Conan O'Brien?

  One of the things I love about this documentary, you had to be there, it's such a great story, but you are a very unusual man, but you were an extremely unusual kid. And what's amazing is you were, you had the show business bug seemingly from nowhere because you're living in Toronto.

• 25:50Speaker 06

  Hamilton.

• 25:51Conan O'Brien?

  Hamilton.

• 25:52Speaker 06

  Hamilton, Ontario.

• 25:52Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, you're living in Hamilton, Ontario.

• 25:54Speaker 06

  Which is 40 miles west of Toronto.

• 25:55Conan O'Brien?

  40 miles west and you, no relation in any way to TV. It's the 60s. There's no way you're ever going to be famous or be known.

• 26:05Speaker 06

  No, absolutely.

• 26:06Conan O'Brien?

  You go up into your attic and with a tape recorder and you start making a show and you, you sing on it, but as a 15, 14, 15 year old.

• 26:19Speaker 06

  I would do medley of songs that weren't nominated, you know?

• 26:22Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 26:24Conan O'Brien?

  But you would do Sinatra. You would do Sinatra and sing full out. And one of the great things about this documentary is that you have the tapes.

• 26:33Speaker 06

  I know. I taped everything. My brother Michael used to say that Marty will tape the first half of his life and the second half, listen to the first half. So I had, I used to have a reel to reel, but I would do these shows and I had a deal on NBC, imaginary.

• 26:50Conan O'Brien?

  Mm-hmm. Imaginary. In your head, you had a deal with NBC.

• 26:53Speaker 06

  But I, I did an hour show every other Tuesday, which left time for me to, for my imaginary film career, you know, because I didn't want to work that much. And I was also performing live in the Copa. No, it was all made up, but I had an applause record.

• 27:10Conan O'Brien?

  Yes.

• 27:10Speaker 06

  From Sinatra at the Sands that I doubled.

• 27:13Conan O'Brien?

  So you have two tape recorders.

• 27:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, I had two tape. I had a reel to reel and a cassette. And I'd say, "And did it my way." When I get the applause.

• 27:26Conan O'Brien?

  And then you hear from this, from the, from Sinatra show.

• 27:30Speaker 06

  Dinner and then I taped later.

• 27:31Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 27:34Conan O'Brien?

  But there's a really fun moment in the documentary because they use animation a lot in the documentary because there's, there's things that are not recorded and.

• 27:42Speaker 06

  But there's no real footage.

• 27:43Conan O'Brien?

  There's no real footage of the show, but there's a lot of photographs of you guys back then, but they do this, this great bit where they animate you doing this show in your attic and then they pull out and you're just a silhouette in a window in a, in a Hamilton.

• 27:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, I know.

• 27:58Conan O'Brien?

  Um, my favorite stories are all about the beginning. If someone talks about the Beatles, the part that interests me the most is the early 60s. You know, they haven't made it. How many things had to go right.

• 28:09Speaker 06

  Um, right.

• 28:10Conan O'Brien?

  The camaraderie, us against the world. Those are the stories I like the most. And the story of you guys, all of you, and to think about all the other people involved, like Lorne Michaels is not involved in that production, but you guys all know him because.

• 28:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, I met Lorne and he came and saw Godspell. I met him backstage in 1973.

• 28:30Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 28:30Speaker 06

  We've been running for a while.

• 28:31Conan O'Brien?

  And everyone, and basically the way it works, when you look at it now, is all so many fantastically funny people, not all of them are in the show. There's just a couple of you that are in the show. It's, it's a murderer's row of really funny legendary people, but you're all connected to these other people.

• 28:49Speaker 06

  Right.

• 28:49Conan O'Brien?

  And then at one point, Lorne starts it by saying, hey, let's take to the rest of the world, 1975. I was a kid, but I remember Saturday Night Live coming on and I didn't know who Gilda, none of us knew who Gilda Radner was.

• 29:02Speaker 06

  No.

• 29:02Conan O'Brien?

  No one of us, none of us knew who Dan Aykroyd was.

• 29:05Speaker 06

  Or Belushi.

• 29:05Conan O'Brien?

  Or Belushi. But if you had been in that world, you knew all these people and you knew they were funny.

• 29:11Speaker 06

  Oh, absolutely.

• 29:12Conan O'Brien?

  You were just waiting for this to happen.

• 29:14Speaker 06

  Yeah. I mean, it was an astounding thing to suddenly your friend Gilda, who had been my girlfriend for a couple of years.

• 29:22Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 29:22Speaker 06

  Was now on SNL and, and I remember now I was going out with Nancy, who I would later marry.

• 29:28Conan O'Brien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:28Speaker 06

  But at one point I wanted to extend my career to the south and Nancy and Gilda worked it out that I could stay at Gilda's apartment.

• 29:35Conan O'Brien?

  Yes. You are, you are with Nancy, the love of your life.

• 29:39Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 29:40Conan O'Brien?

  And then you want to live with Gilda.

• 29:43Speaker 06

  Well, no, no, yeah, just for a couple of weeks.

• 29:45Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, no, I didn't imply anything.

• 29:48Conan O'Brien?

  You want, you guys wanted to talk about work and the next maybe steps for you and you, but, but you, I like it the ladies.

• 29:54Speaker 06

  And then before you know it, someone says, is there any wine? And then.

• 30:01Speaker 06

  Like a wind blew too heavily, the clothes are gone.

• 30:08Conan O'Brien?

  That's right. You guys, uh...

• 30:12Conan O'Brien?

  One of the things that, I mean, I would go there. You do this Godspell had 488 performances at the Royal Alexandra Theater in Toronto. But what the documentary captures, and I'm so glad they made it because I always wanted to know more about this, is...

• 30:29Speaker 06

  Well, you could have asked me. I would have just...

• 30:30Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, no. But then you might have told me. And that we can't have.

• 30:34Speaker 06

  It's called a conversation.

• 30:36Conan O'Brien?

  I prefer my monologue.

• 30:37Speaker 06

  You know.

• 30:41Speaker 06

  I mean, you know, I mean, I've had many dinners with you and it's great. And I have all these siblings and it's fun. And you go through all the names. And, yeah, the one house, yes. But I've heard it. I've heard it. So, once in a while, you have to ask a question of someone.

• 31:00Conan O'Brien?

  What have you done since Godspell?

• 31:03Speaker 06

  Not mine.

• 31:03Conan O'Brien?

  There's no record. I see nothing here. There's absolutely nothing.

• 31:10Conan O'Brien?

  That, there's a house that you and Eugene Levy live in.

• 31:15Speaker 06

  1063 Avenue Road.

• 31:16Conan O'Brien?

  Have they put a plaque on that house? Because you guys would all get there.

• 31:18Speaker 06

  You and your plaque. Well, those were the greatest parties in the world. And that was a party house. And then, um, we had it for a year and then now I'm living with Gilda and Eugene got another room. And then he gave it up and John Candy took over that house.

• 31:34Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, my God. Yeah. And I'm sure took wonderful care of it.

• 31:38Speaker 06

  And he also had a few parties.

• 31:40Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, I'm sure.

• 31:40Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 31:43Conan O'Brien?

  I was thinking about it. I remember it very clearly. I was in a conversation. A couple of people were around. Tom Hanks was in the room and we were all talking about if we could be present for a moment in history and me being a history buff or whatever, me saying, well, I'd like to see, you know, the conversation between Lee and Grant at Appomattox to close the Civil War. I said something like that. And everyone said their thing. And Tom Hanks said, I would like to be present, a fly on the wall, uh, at some of those parties that that Godspell cast had in 1972.

• 32:15Speaker 06

  Well, do you know what?

• 32:15Conan O'Brien?

  And I thought, like, oh, my God, Tom is right.

• 32:18Speaker 06

  But you want Lee and Grant there.

• 32:19Conan O'Brien?

  I want Lee and Grant there. I want them...

• 32:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, fucked up. Let me tell you something. Well, no. I mean, the parties were loose, but had Lee and Grant been there, I think they would have brought it down. Because that was, that, Robert E. Lee, sure, he could ride a horse, but at a party?

• 32:38Conan O'Brien?

  You're right. No, no, you know what was amazing?

• 32:40Speaker 06

  He's saying, you should see me on a horse.

• 32:43Conan O'Brien?

  But you're not on a horse. What do you have to tell us about your life? What's funny?

• 32:47Speaker 06

  So, no, and then, but in the 90s and 2000s, Nancy and I would have these Christmas parties and people would get up and perform. And they were really based on what we used to do in Toronto in that house. Paul Shaffer was always on the piano. And people would get up. There was like a living room and then there was another room attached where the piano was and a frame. And that was kind of the stage.

• 33:10Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 33:11Speaker 06

  And people would get up and do numbers and thing and every, everyone, you know, Bill Murray, anyone who was in town.

• 33:16Conan O'Brien?

  So, I, I, I'm watching the documentary and what really comes to, because there's a lot of photographs of that, of that period. And there actually is some film that survives, which is amazing.

• 33:28Speaker 06

  Yes, I know.

• 33:28Conan O'Brien?

  But, boy, you are an, you are 22, I think. You are an imp. And you are...

• 33:35Speaker 06

  Adorable.

• 33:37Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, no, no, no. I was gonna go a different way.

• 33:38Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 33:39Conan O'Brien?

  More of a Chucky vibe.

• 33:44Conan O'Brien?

  Scarred, deformed.

• 33:47Conan O'Brien?

  And the energy. And first of all, you can see that, this is what amazes me about you. A few years have gone by since then and your work, your, the fighting you did in the Korean War is incredible.

• 34:00Speaker 06

  Well, I was just so angry because it seemed unfair.

• 34:05Conan O'Brien?

  But I don't, I still think you have as much energy and presence...

• 34:09Speaker 06

  That's amazing.

• 34:09Conan O'Brien?

  ...today that you had in 1972. I'm looking at you, uh, just alive, like in a, like a, just a piece of beef jerky that's hit the third rail and is capering about.

• 34:20Speaker 06

  Boy, you know how to woo someone.

• 34:22Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Not good jerky, not high quality, great.

• 34:25Speaker 06

  But it is true, it is true. In the 70s, where suddenly cocaine was the popular thing, I just thought, I don't think I need it.

• 34:36Conan O'Brien?

  That's exactly...

• 34:36Speaker 06

  I could be hyper and then, nah, you know.

• 34:40Conan O'Brien?

  Guess who's with you 100% on that? I, I've never done cocaine in my life. I've been offered it and my standard reply is, do you want to see this coked up? No, you do not.

• 34:53Speaker 06

  No, no, no.

• 34:54Conan O'Brien?

  You knew, Dan, no, there's no need for that.

• 34:56Speaker 06

  No.

• 34:56Conan O'Brien?

  We've, uh, we were given our coke in utero somehow. I don't know.

• 35:00Speaker 06

  That's true.

• 35:01Conan O'Brien?

  But, uh, you're unbelievable because you have that energy then and you have it now. And it's also just, it's not just in terms of the energy, the physical energy, that it crazy presence, that need to perform. And I'm gonna even take out perform, just the neediness. I look up to you because mine is bad, but yours is worse.

• 35:25Speaker 06

  Well, I look up to you because I think of, I was thinking, I was driving here today because, you know, he didn't send a car or anything. And, um...

• 35:32Conan O'Brien?

  Those are expensive!

• 35:33Speaker 06

  Yeah. And I thought, Conan, you host and then you host and then you, other shows you host? I mean, this range.

• 35:44Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 35:50Speaker 06

  I mean, it really is. It's, I mean, it's, it's talent with a big moka swirl of luck.

• 35:59Conan O'Brien?

  How much, what's the ratio?

• 36:01Speaker 06

  Oh, it's nine to one luck.

• 36:05Conan O'Brien?

  So, it's, it's mostly just the swirl. It's mostly just the swirl of luck.

• 36:09Speaker 06

  No, you're, you're kind of a lanky Ed Sullivan and you've done it beautifully.

• 36:14Conan O'Brien?

  Thank you.

• 36:14Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 36:14Conan O'Brien?

  Thank you. I've done the best I can with what...

• 36:17Speaker 06

  Oh, my God. And the money you have made.

• 36:19Conan O'Brien?

  Well, it's not as much as you think. And I've invested poorly. You know that.

• 36:24Speaker 06

  Well, all those Broadway shows, yeah.

• 36:26Conan O'Brien?

  I love a Broadway show.

• 36:28Speaker 06

  Hal Joey with, um, with Gallagher as Hal Joey was a bad investment.

• 36:35Conan O'Brien?

  My Transformers musical that I put all my money into.

• 36:40Conan O'Brien?

  No, I just, I look at that and then, um, to see you guys all come together. First of all, the stories of you and Gilda, how you were together, but breaking up constantly. I didn't know that part. You guys were together and then would break up and then you'd get back together. You'd break up, you'd get back together.

• 36:53Speaker 06

  Yeah. Well, you know, the thing is with Gilda is that she was 26 to my 22. So, I didn't really understand, you know, because she was complicated. She had lots of emotions and she was brilliant. I mean, literally everyone wanted to be her best friend and every guy wanted to go out with her. I mean, but she didn't always believe that. So, that would lead to us, what's wrong with, you know, me, because I didn't quite understand.

• 37:18Conan O'Brien?

  You just thought, you're Gilda Radner. Why can't you just be happy all the time?

• 37:21Speaker 06

  And she had family money. So, you know, you know.

• 37:24Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 37:24Speaker 06

  She had family money. First of all, if you have family money, you should have a smile on your face, right?

• 37:31Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 37:32Speaker 06

  And then, and then, so, so, but, but then we would, no, we would get back together. And so, when we find, when we broke up, then the next day I saw my wife to be in the, who I'd already met.

• 37:42Conan O'Brien?

  And she was an understudy.

• 37:43Speaker 06

  She was an understudy, but hadn't seen her for a few months. And we met in a bar and she'd just broken up with a boyfriend. And then we started going out the next day.

• 37:51Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 37:51Speaker 06

  And then about a week later, Gilda phoned me and said, we're supposed to get back together again. What's going on?

• 37:57Conan O'Brien?

  You've made other plans.

• 37:58Speaker 06

  I'd made other plans. But I always adored Gilda.

• 38:01Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. And dinners with you...

• 38:02Speaker 06

  Did you know Gilda? Did you ever meet her?

• 38:04Conan O'Brien?

  I did not. I was working. I was a writer at Saturday Night Live and I came in, it was a show day. Steve Martin was the host.

• 38:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, I know.

• 38:14Conan O'Brien?

  And I came in, all of us came in and we got word. I was standing at the craft service table and someone came in and said Gilda had died and...

• 38:23Speaker 06

  May 20th, 1989.

• 38:25Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. And so, uh, Steve did a brilliant, you know, uh, tribute to her at the top of the show, but...

• 38:32Speaker 06

  Well, they showed Dancing in the Dark, which was that brilliant piece they did, you know.

• 38:37Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, that, that she and Steve had done. Steve showed it again.

• 38:40Speaker 06

  He's just whipping her around like a rag doll.

• 38:41Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah. Ah, man. But I know I, I didn't, um, I never got to meet her, but...

• 38:49Speaker 06

  You would have adored her.

• 38:51Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Well, I, the other thing too is I think, um, the reason you adored her on television, uh, would also be the same reason why you'd adore her in real life. It was, what you see is what you get. Is that the correct?

• 39:04Speaker 06

  Absolutely.

• 39:05Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 39:05Speaker 06

  And just so original and so funny. And you just kind of had a big purse and she was always looking for things or, I, talking in the documentary, when, when the first time I met her, she came up to me and, hi, I'm Gilda and it's so nice to meet you. And she had a pimple here. And she was just...

• 39:22Conan O'Brien?

  She was covering it with her finger.

• 39:26Conan O'Brien?

  Like, that's gonna help.

• 39:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's gonna help.

• 39:29Conan O'Brien?

  And it's really sweet at the end when you guys, survivors, who are, most of you are still still with us, all get together at that theater.

• 39:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:38Conan O'Brien?

  And you all hug and have, appeared to be a lot of drinks.

• 39:42Speaker 06

  No, no, that was at a, a party in, in, in New York. It wasn't at the theater.

• 39:46Conan O'Brien?

  It wasn't at the theater. Okay.

• 39:47Speaker 06

  So glad you watched documentary with detail.

• 39:51Conan O'Brien?

  It showed you all walking into a brick building, which I thought, oh, this is cool. They got back together at the theater.

• 39:56Speaker 06

  No, no, no, no. It said it was, see, here's the thing. It is better to just look at something and put the hand mirror down. Cause that becomes a distraction.

• 40:06Conan O'Brien?

  I don't see the, no, no. What I wanna do is, what I usually do is try and get my face in the hand mirror and then get some of the documentary, but when it's on, fast forward, it's hard to catch everything.

• 40:20Conan O'Brien?

  I think I see Gilda. I think I see Eugene and something about Godspell.

• 40:24Speaker 06

  No, listen, all those people that, I mean, it's amazing, but the, those three women of Andrea Martin, Catherine O'Hara and Gilda.

• 40:32Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 40:32Speaker 06

  Were pretty astounding to, to hang with and know and, you know. I mean, when you were at my cottage and Catherine would come over, I think she came over.

• 40:42Conan O'Brien?

  She came over on the boat with Bo.

• 40:44Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 40:45Conan O'Brien?

  And, um, and Eugene. I mean, just like, uh, to be at Marty Short's cottage and a boat pulls up and all my heroes get out just to, what is it you drink on the dock?

• 40:57Speaker 06

  Rum and ting.

• 40:58Conan O'Brien?

  Rum and, and what is ting?

• 41:00Speaker 06

  Ting is, um, a, it's a carbonated grapefruit drink, very popular in Jamaica. And when, in 1985, I visited the set of Club Paradise. All my friends were in it.

• 41:13Conan O'Brien?

  That's right.

• 41:13Speaker 06

  Robin Williams was in it and Joe Flaherty.

• 41:16Conan O'Brien?

  From SCTV, yeah.

• 41:18Speaker 06

  Andrea and, and Stephen Cant, all these people. And so I visited the set and the big drink was rum and ting. And then when I got my cottage in 92, my, my early guests were Catherine and Bo, Catherine O'Hara and Bo Welch, and she presented me with a case of ting that she'd gotten from the Jamaican market in Toronto.

• 41:38Conan O'Brien?

  This is where I remember we're staying, uh, Liza and I are invited, we go and to get invited to Marty's cottage, for me, this is like, I'm getting a Nobel Peace Prize. So I show up and he said, I think at 1 o'clock in the afternoon, it's time we go to the dock and have rum and ting. I was like, it's 1 o'clock.

• 41:56Speaker 06

  Heaven.

• 41:56Conan O'Brien?

  And, uh, it was fantastic.

• 41:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was great.

• 41:59Conan O'Brien?

  I, um, and you don't just have one of those.

• 42:01Speaker 06

  No, no, no, no, no, no.

• 42:02Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no. To quote Lauren Michaels, no, no, no, no, no.

• 42:06Speaker 06

  No, no, no, no, no. That was Bill Hader's impersonation of Lauren, how you get to Nobu. You go PCH and then you go right, right, right, right, right.

• 42:19Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, God.

• 42:22Conan O'Brien?

  The, um, I've always wondered what it was. I was at Catherine's service, former Prime Minister Trudeau was there.

• 42:31Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:32Conan O'Brien?

  And he said hello and I practically grabbed him by the lapel and I said, I've never had a good explanation of what, what is in Canada that gives you people this superpower? And he very happily talked to me about it for a while.

• 42:46Speaker 06

  Oh, you did ask him about it?

• 42:47Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I did. I did. And, um, because no one's ever answered it to my satisfaction. And it is something to do with being, we were talking about this at a very strange time in politics, uh, very.

• 43:02Speaker 06

  You think?

• 43:03Conan O'Brien?

  I, I've come to believe that things are a little askew.

• 43:07Speaker 04

  Oh, hot take.

• 43:08Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, this is my hot take. I think things are a tiny bit worrisome. I don't know why I'm Jiminy Glicking it.

• 43:17Speaker 06

  A little askew. You'd have fun with askew. Isn't that wonderful to be askew?

• 43:25Conan O'Brien?

  More, more, more, more, more. I like, Jiminy Glick needs to hold forth on Trump and what he's doing with Canada.

• 43:34Speaker 06

  And you.

• 43:35Conan O'Brien?

  And, yeah, and me. Oh, he has, he has. I've been savaged by, by Mr. Glick.

• 43:39Speaker 06

  It is, it is just hilarious, though, the level of onslaught against Canada.

• 43:45Conan O'Brien?

  Canada. Yeah. But, you know, we'll get to that in a minute.

• 43:47Speaker 06

  Lake America.

• 43:49Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. You guys were always.

• 43:51Speaker 06

  And I don't mind that, except that, you know, now that there's a blue liner that's floating on the lake. It wasn't there before.

• 44:00Speaker 06

  No, he's something. He's, he's, he's, he's beyond any parody or satire that you can do.

• 44:08Conan O'Brien?

  But, because, um, I was, I started this by saying, there's something about Canada. It makes, you know, per capita, when you, when you factor in population and all that, way more funny people, insanely funny people than it should. And you think, is it in the water? Is there like a zinc deposit? Is there something in the food?

• 44:30Speaker 06

  Well, I always thought that with, part of it was influence. We were like the middle sibling. You had the fabulous Emma Thompson, beautiful, sophisticated, British sister, and then the, the younger kind of, you know, sexy young.

• 44:44Conan O'Brien?

  Zsa Zsa Gabor? Is that a new reference?

• 44:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, I was gonna, I was gonna go Eva Gabor, but sure.

• 44:49Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, okay.

• 44:50Speaker 06

  No, no. And then we were in the middle and we kind of don't know how beautiful we are, cause we've got glasses and the hair pinned back, you know?

• 44:58Conan O'Brien?

  And so.

• 45:02Conan O'Brien?

  But it's true. It's, it, it is.

• 45:04Speaker 06

  You could operate in America's shadow. We got, we got British influence, we got American influence. And also, in the 70s, around SNL, now it was, what was popular for the first time were not so much stand-up, but character, character work.

• 45:19Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 45:19Speaker 06

  And characters, Canadians observing the United States, observing Britain, being in the middle, they're, they're, you know, they're the perfect fodder for making fun of people. And, um.

• 45:33Conan O'Brien?

  I'm gonna be someone behind me.

• 45:34Speaker 06

  But satirizing, creating characters based on people that you meet. Yeah.

• 45:38Conan O'Brien?

  And that's what, uh, what was the revelation to me about SCTV was, it was the character comedy.

• 45:46Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 45:47Conan O'Brien?

  Uh, it wasn't set up so much of comedy, if you look at comedy in the 50s and the 60s, all the stuff that we were fed, I was watching it, you guys were watching it, and it was ba-dum-bum. And then suddenly, uh, this show came along that wasn't even, you know, Saturday, Saturday Night Live, as brilliant as it was, was individual sketches that then ended and a band would play. And SCTV created a whole world.

• 46:12Speaker 06

  A whole world.

• 46:13Conan O'Brien?

  Where you could visit and then revisit and people could reappear and then go away. And like Monty Python, Monty Python's genius was, a sketch should be, should last as long as it's funny, and then it should end instantly. And that was what SCTV did.

• 46:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, but we had an advantage of SNL because we could edit.

• 46:31Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 46:32Speaker 06

  I mean, sometimes you'd write a great, you'd think a brilliant movie parody and then you'd watch it and, uh-huh, I get it. Four more minutes and yet I get it. Oh, this can be a good movie promo. That's what it was.

• 46:46Conan O'Brien?

  Just a promo.

• 46:46Speaker 06

  But at SNL, the sketches, it is. And, and maybe if you edited those pieces, you, you could bring them down, but it's not at the end of the show, it's a live show.

• 46:56Conan O'Brien?

  One of the things that never, has never quite made sense to me is that the show ends, Godspell, and within three, two years, three years, uh, Gilda's on Saturday Night Live. And Dan Aykroyd pops.

• 47:09Speaker 06

  Within two years, Gilda.

• 47:09Conan O'Brien?

  Within two years. And then, you know, she is one of the most famous women in the 90s.

• 47:14Speaker 06

  Well, what happened was that the second Godspell ended, Second City, which had never done a sister company, moved, I mean, created a second company in Toronto.

• 47:23Conan O'Brien?

  It was in Chicago and they made one in Toronto.

• 47:24Speaker 06

  It's still in Chicago, but now they opened one in Toronto, a sister company. And that's, and everyone in Godspell wanted to get it. So you, they hired Eugene, John Candy, Gilda, and all the, you know, all these people.

• 47:39Conan O'Brien?

  And you talk about it in the documentary, but now it seems absurd to me that someone would watch you on stage and not immediately say, this guy needs to be one of the biggest comedy stars in the world. But it took a while for you, which doesn't make sense.

• 47:55Speaker 06

  I, I just never auditioned for Second City. I, I, I was used to being like the funny guy at parties and, and on, on stage, but this idea of improvising, I don't know why, but it's, but it scared me.

• 48:08Conan O'Brien?

  You might be the best improviser I've ever seen. So how would that, it doesn't make sense to me.

• 48:12Speaker 06

  Well, I, I kinda felt like it was comedy under pressure and I didn't like that. So, and also I wanted to be Sinatra. I wanted to, you know, be an actor. I know. Frank Jr. I never was aiming at, for the dad.

• 48:26Conan O'Brien?

  One has their idea of what they were going to be before, before the, at this period, you're still thinking of yourself then as a singer.

• 48:41Speaker 06

  A performer, yeah, performer.

• 48:43Conan O'Brien?

  An evening with Martin Short.

• 48:45Speaker 06

  There you go. And then, but then comedy now exploded and I'm still, well, it's a nice country like you doing, you're doing cabaret shows.

• 48:56Conan O'Brien?

  Don't ever do that again.

• 48:57Speaker 06

  And I was, or Cold Cuts, that was one of them, Cold Cuts, the music of Cole Porter. You know, I mean, oh, no, it was, it was.

• 49:06Conan O'Brien?

  Did you have an agent advising you at the time?

• 49:08Speaker 06

  No, I didn't. I, listen.

• 49:10Conan O'Brien?

  One of the great comic minds and performers of all time. I sing Sinatra and Cole Porter.

• 49:16Speaker 06

  Yeah. So anyway, and then after a couple of years, then I realized I, the air of my ways. And I phoned up Andrew Alexander, who owns Second City, and I said, cause I've been asked to join it.

• 49:26Conan O'Brien?

  Yep.

• 49:26Speaker 06

  And I said, I would love to join it. And he fired someone and put me in.

• 49:30Conan O'Brien?

  So in the documentary, and I know this for a fact, I think it's one of your first pieces for SCTV, was you doing Jerry Lewis.

• 49:39Speaker 06

  Live at the Champs Elysees.

• 49:40Conan O'Brien?

  Yes, Live at the Champs Elysees. And it's one of the most, I just encourage anyone listening right now, Jerry Lewis Live at the Champs Elysees, I can't say it. And it is one of the most unhinged still performances. You're fake conducting, which Jerry loved to do.

• 49:58Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 49:58Conan O'Brien?

  But it's, it's one of the most unhinged things you've ever seen. And so the very idea that the guy who's doing that six months prior is saying, I want to do some,

• 50:08Speaker 06

  No, I know. It doesn't make sense.

• 50:10Conan O'Brien?

  It makes no sense.

• 50:11Speaker 06

  It made no sense. But what was funny about that piece is when I see it now is the thing that I love, you know, he's jumping, you know, I'm conducting, you know. But then you cut to Jerry lecturing the audience.

• 50:24Conan O'Brien?

  Yes.

• 50:24Speaker 06

  Aggressively. They're afraid of a perfectionist. But he's in a, he's in a little boy Buster Brown suit.

• 50:32Conan O'Brien?

  Buster Brown, yeah. Little stinky suit, yeah.

• 50:35Speaker 06

  But he's got the cigarette.

• 50:36Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 50:37Speaker 06

  And if the head of the studios don't get it this week with the pimples in the full headbands, you know, and he's lecturing.

• 50:44Conan O'Brien?

  Which was another side to Jerry.

• 50:46Speaker 06

  That was the other side of Jerry.

• 50:48Conan O'Brien?

  I told, I've told you this, but he, he was on our show and I went back to the dressing room and Mr. Lewis. And he told me, I don't do a Jerry, but he said, I watch you and I see what you do and I love it. And I said, oh, well, thank you so much, Mr. Lewis. And he's like, you call me Jerry? Okay. And he said, you do something, it's very good and I'm going to tell you what it is. Every night you come out, you say you're going to do something, you do it. And then, and this is the most important part, you tell the audience, it has been done.

• 51:19Speaker 06

  Jesus.

• 51:20Conan O'Brien?

  I don't, I didn't know then. I don't know now.

• 51:23Speaker 06

  Did you, did you right away stop doing that?

• 51:27Conan O'Brien?

  I don't know what it is.

• 51:28Speaker 06

  Cause it seems a little redundant.

• 51:30Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 51:30Speaker 06

  It seems like the behavior of a failure.

• 51:32Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. I agree.

• 51:35Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 51:35Conan O'Brien?

  It's like the formula for a college term paper. Yeah. It was a compliment, I think, but hey, it was Jerry Lewis.

• 51:43Speaker 06

  I know.

• 51:44Conan O'Brien?

  And I, now what did Jerry think of your, your impression became so famous?

• 51:50Speaker 06

  You know, I, I, in, in 1990, I was asked to interview Jerry. I'd never met him. They were going to release all the Martin and Lewis Colgate Hour shows. Disney was going to release them. Jeff Katzenberg said, now, can you, we want to put on the DVD and throughout it, and you interviewing Jerry Lewis. But if he starts to pontificate, get him off that. And I thought, first of all, he hates me. I'm sure he hates me because I'd already done, you know, Scenes from an Idiot's Marriage, Jerry Lewis and In Mark Bourbon, you know? I'd done Lewis Sings Dylan. The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind. You know, that thing.

• 52:35Speaker 06

  The answer is blowing in the, wah! And then I were on the, all my clothes were pulled off. And now I'm in boxer underwear. Or like a rolling stone, you see me running down the street in a big boulder as Jerry. So I'd done all these pieces and I thought he'd hate me, but he didn't. He was very friendly. Hey, Marty. And he was still young Jerry, you know, he was still, and but later on in the interview, he said, you did me on the telethon. I said, no, no, no, no, no. I didn't do you on the telethon. I did you live at the Champs Elysees. It wasn't, it was elements of, but I didn't tell him. He went, oh, that's funny. So I don't know if he didn't seen them, you know, he just heard. But anyway, he was lovely. He was great.

• 53:24Conan O'Brien?

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• 53:29Speaker 04

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• 53:29Conan O'Brien?

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• 53:29Speaker 04

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• 53:31Conan O'Brien?

  Now, you didn't lose too much money, but you did lose.

• 53:33Speaker 04

  I did lose and it was very inconvenient. And now they put protections on my account like I'm dumb.

• 53:39Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. I don't know where they got that impression.

• 53:43Conan O'Brien?

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• 53:59Speaker 04

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• 54:00Conan O'Brien?

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• 54:00Speaker 04

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• 54:02Conan O'Brien?

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• 55:41Conan O'Brien?

  For me.

• 55:42Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 55:42Conan O'Brien?

  I mean, getting to meet you and then my day that I've talked about a lot with John Candy, when I, when I was still in college, were just, that's how it felt to me. Like just getting to.

• 55:52Speaker 06

  No, no, I think what it is, is when you're 12. And when you're 12, whoever is, because you're just open to it all. And who's ever inspiring you then has more weight. I mean, I remember like in, it's 1986 and I'm now friends with Christopher Guest and Jamie Curtis. And they're married, maybe it's a couple of years later and they have their four-year-old daughter, Annie. They're having a birthday party. And out of the bedroom walks Tony Curtis, who I'd never met. And he looks exactly like Tony Curtis.

• 56:26Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 56:27Speaker 06

  And, you know, way more exciting than it had have been Tom Cruise or anyone current.

• 56:31Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 56:31Speaker 06

  Because when I was 12, my, my favorite film was, you know, Some Like Hot.

• 56:36Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 56:37Speaker 06

  And so those are the moments that, when, when you're that age.

• 56:41Conan O'Brien?

  I mostly used in the 90s, early years of my late night show, I only wanted to talk to Don Knotts, Andy Griffith.

• 56:51Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 56:52Conan O'Brien?

  Tony Randall, anyone who had been on TV when I was watching it in our house on Canard Road and eating bologna strips out of a bowl.

• 57:00Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 57:00Conan O'Brien?

  I'd be like, that is the person I want to see.

• 57:04Speaker 06

  Well, I thought Don Knotts was the very underrated genius because talking about character work, his character Barney Fife on that show was so, he was so original and so funny. He was, yeah, now kind of swaying, but he was basically an insecure guy. And what I loved is he had a patrol car. He was a deputy.

• 57:25Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 57:26Speaker 06

  And he had an aerial that went from the front and looped up to the back, but there was no radio.

• 57:30Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. And he had one bullet that he kept in his pocket.

• 57:35Speaker 06

  Yeah. One bullet, but he was allowed to carry.

• 57:37Conan O'Brien?

  He was allowed to carry one bullet. No, his, I mean, again, there is something magic about those people. What you did was you took all those people you grew up with, including Sinatra, all these people you idolized, and then. Then you could morph into them and then create a demented reality.

• 57:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, all the characters you created were elements of the people that you love, you know.

• 58:01Conan O'Brien?

  So when are you gonna do me?

• 58:04Speaker 06

  Didn't you just hear what I said?

• 58:07Conan O'Brien?

  This year is gone.

• 58:09Speaker 06

  No kidding.

• 58:16Conan O'Brien?

  Do you look back at it all now? Because you've had this just spectacular career. Do you look back at it and look at that moment in Godspell when they could have gone with Andrew, but they went with Marty Short?

• 58:33Conan O'Brien?

  Do you think you would have found another way if you hadn't had that?

• 58:35Speaker 06

  No, well, I don't know, but I certainly, I do know that it was very difficult for me to leave the stepping stones of school. And so I'd now done four years of university. I was now gonna do a master's in social work. I was gonna be a social worker.

• 58:53Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, God, you.

• 58:53Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 58:54Conan O'Brien?

  Not an ounce of empathy.

• 58:55Speaker 06

  Yeah. Like this.

• 58:59Speaker 06

  All right, don't spend it on booze, buy food this time.

• 59:05Speaker 06

  Now, so, no, but I definitely gave myself a one-year contract to be in show business. Because my parents weren't living at this point. I was 20 and my father just died and I thought, you know, I had an inheritance, but I knew that he wouldn't support me being an actor. You know, he'd support education. So I thought, I will do this for a year, but if I'm, I don't want to be a waiter at 37, so I will give it a year. Had I not worked in that year, I definitely would have gone back to school. I didn't want to look in the mirror when I was 21 and say, what if, like at 50 and say, what if you tried to be an actor?

• 59:45Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 59:45Speaker 06

  I wanted to be able to say, no, you did, remember? No one hired you. Oh, that's right, yeah, yeah.

• 59:49Conan O'Brien?

  Right, right.

• 59:50Speaker 06

  So I don't know if, if, if, I mean, I was just lucky that that show was happening. Was lucky that I got it.

• 59:57Conan O'Brien?

  And it was such a hit.

• 59:58Speaker 06

  And it was a massive hit.

• 59:59Conan O'Brien?

  I haven't made it, but it really comes across in the documentary that you guys hit a gusher.

• 1:00:04Speaker 06

  Oh, no, we were now the hit.

• 1:00:05Conan O'Brien?

  All of Canada was like, these are, these are our favorite people in the world. And to be able to walk around at that time.

• 1:00:13Speaker 06

  No, it was crazy. And I think that, but had that not happened, I would probably, then I would have gone to politics, you know, run as a member of parliament for Hamilton, but I would have done as Kennedy. I say we have to change.

• 1:00:29Speaker 06

  Because I only watched American, you know, television through Buffalo. I never watched Canadian television. So I didn't know anything about Canadian anything, really.

• 1:00:38Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, no, whenever I think of, if I was somehow through some accident in public life, all of my speeches would be Kennedy-esque. They just would.

• 1:00:48Speaker 06

  I became, I was, I was made honorary mayor of Pacific Palisades.

• 1:00:52Conan O'Brien?

  Oh.

• 1:00:53Speaker 06

  20 years ago. And I had to give a speech at the town Chamber of Commerce. I remember John Rate, the singer, was the former mayor. So he was there and his daughter Bonnie Rate was there. I did a speech as Kennedy,

• 1:01:11Speaker 06

  completely played to about four people out of the 400 people there. And, but I wouldn't let up. I'd say, people say you can't buy an overpriced pair of sneakers. Ikh benign Bettons, let them come to Bettons.

• 1:01:27Speaker 06

  Silence, except Bonnie Rate was hysterical.

• 1:01:29Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:31Conan O'Brien?

  In situations like that, if there's 400 people and four are really laughing, I'm happy. I don't know why, but I like that just those four are so over the top.

• 1:01:41Speaker 06

  Well, also those same stores that existed forever and the back. People say you can't buy an overpriced Humpty Dumpty figurine. Ikh benign Fugettes, let them come to Fugettes.

• 1:01:53Speaker 06

  That was the store. Bombed, bad bombed.

• 1:01:57Conan O'Brien?

  I think Gavin MacLeod of the Love Boat was an honorary member.

• 1:02:00Speaker 06

  Vivian Vance was. Steve Guttenberg, you know, Jerry Lewis, anyone who lived in the Palisades, you were asked to be a mayor.

• 1:02:09Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, you lived in the Palisades for a long time.

• 1:02:12Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 1:02:13Conan O'Brien?

  I've even asked. Would I just be an honorary?

• 1:02:19Speaker 06

  Eugene Levy was just a mayor.

• 1:02:20Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:02:21Speaker 06

  He did such a great job.

• 1:02:22Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:25Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, God. I know we're out of time, but I have to bring up that one of my favorite things for you and for all of us is that you and Steve became a two-hander act.

• 1:02:38Conan O'Brien?

  How many years ago was it you started working together?

• 1:02:40Speaker 06

  We were asked to close the Just for Last Comedy Festival in 2011, where we were just gonna interview each other.

• 1:02:47Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:48Speaker 06

  And it was successful and we had fun, because we have fun. You know, we had dinner before and, and so we booked another and we booked another. I already had a show and he had a banjo show at that time.

• 1:03:00Conan O'Brien?

  Which, yeah.

• 1:03:01Speaker 06

  So we combined them.

• 1:03:02Conan O'Brien?

  With, and less banjo, so good for you.

• 1:03:06Conan O'Brien?

  It's a mitzvah, as my people say. You?

• 1:03:09Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, banjo is the only instrument that people who play the jug say, really?

• 1:03:17Speaker 06

  But.

• 1:03:20Conan O'Brien?

  It was the rule in show business that comedians were, there were teams. And it was just, you know, Abbott, Costello, Martin and Lewis, you know, Laurel and Hardy. It was just like teams, teams, teams. That went away and then seemingly forever. And I'm sure people will say, okay, no, but there was this person, that person. You and Steve bring it back. And it's so, first of all, you guys clearly love each other. You can finish each other's sentences and it's so funny. But I also see the way in which you two are having so much fun that that spills out into the crowd.

• 1:03:52Speaker 06

  Oh, I think so too. He did it one night in Vegas and killed.

• 1:03:55Conan O'Brien?

  He has a name.

• 1:03:56Speaker 06

  Oh, Conan.

• 1:03:58Conan O'Brien?

  We, we.

• 1:04:01Speaker 06

  I just blanked for a while.

• 1:04:03Conan O'Brien?

  We, uh. No, watching you guys do that, I just think it's just so joyous to watch you guys work together. And you guys came on together on the podcast, which is one of my favorite episodes.

• 1:04:14Speaker 06

  Well, no, no, we do have an absolute riot. And Steve is, you know, as funny as it gets. One of his jokes was, he said, the reason this show works with Marty is because he understands the concept of 60/40.

• 1:04:33Conan O'Brien?

  So the new, I know you're, it's early to be saying anything about the new season, but I love that you guys are going to be in London.

• 1:04:40Speaker 06

  Oh, we work with the greatest actors imaginable.

• 1:04:44Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:44Speaker 06

  I mean, Olivia Colman, Martin Freeman, David Tennant.

• 1:04:49Conan O'Brien?

  It's insane.

• 1:04:50Speaker 06

  Everyone was.

• 1:04:51Conan O'Brien?

  Well, also, everyone, I think what I've noticed is that everybody wants in on that gig because they know that it's gonna be a lovely environment.

• 1:05:01Speaker 06

  That is, I'm very happy about that. Everyone has said that, that it's a fun, loose hang. I mean, Steve and Celine and I all work the same way that we, if it's fun and loose on the set, then you want to be there. And in the holding area, there's jokes and laughs and, and, but it does permeate the set. And your camera, men and women are happy to be there because they're laughing all day. And that's, and they're your audience, so that's the way it should be.

• 1:05:30Conan O'Brien?

  Well, I, I, it's hard for me to imagine anyone who's, I can't think of another name of someone who's brought me as much joy as you have, seriously. You really have, and I marvel. You've got many, many years on me, at least 40 years older than me. 50, I believe you're 50 years older than me.

• 1:05:49Speaker 06

  Yeah. No, I'm 53 years older.

• 1:05:52Conan O'Brien?

  53 years older than me.

• 1:05:54Speaker 06

  Although you look like you've been carried out of Shangri-La.

• 1:06:01Speaker 06

  Don't wrap it up, I don't want it to end.

• 1:06:03Conan O'Brien?

  I know, no one wants it to end, but he's gotta go home and microwave a meal and watch old clips of himself. He can't eat into that time.

• 1:06:15Conan O'Brien?

  No, I don't, I don't know on every single level. And also you are a model of how to be. You are very kind to people and completely intolerant of rudeness.

• 1:06:25Speaker 06

  That is true.

• 1:06:26Conan O'Brien?

  And you're just this gift that keeps on giving. So I love you to death.

• 1:06:32Speaker 06

  I love you. And by the way, we are, would you not say, very close friends in real life?

• 1:06:38Conan O'Brien?

  We are.

• 1:06:39Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:06:39Conan O'Brien?

  We are friends.

• 1:06:40Speaker 06

  We are.

• 1:06:40Conan O'Brien?

  We're very, I'm very close friends with you.

• 1:06:42Speaker 06

  I mean, he, he won't pick up a check at a restaurant.

• 1:06:47Conan O'Brien?

  I don't know how this will turn out.

• 1:06:49Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:06:49Conan O'Brien?

  I'm in radio now, you know.

• 1:06:51Speaker 06

  No, I understand.

• 1:06:51Conan O'Brien?

  You're on this, you're on a big hit show.

• 1:06:53Speaker 06

  You go to AM next, don't you? Where do you go from here?

• 1:07:00Conan O'Brien?

  There's no level I won't sing to. All right, go, go in peace to love and serve the Lord, Marty Short.

• 1:07:05Speaker 06

  God bless you and God bless you all.

• 1:07:08Conan O'Brien?

  Yay.

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