Dustin Hoffman Part II

Dustin Hoffman and Conan continue their discussion across Dustin's life and career, touching on working with Bob Hoskins and Robin Williams in Hook, recovering from bladder cancer, the making of All The President’s Men, and more. For Conan videos, tour dates and more visit TeamCoco.com. Got a question for Conan? Call our voicemail: (323) 362-2295.

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• 1:44Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, uh, welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend. This is a little unusual. We started a conversation several days ago with Dustin Hoffman. Fantastic. There's way too much to talk about, so this is part two. Never been done. Never been done on our podcast. Maybe someone else has done it. Never happened on this show, which is really the only podcast that matters. So here we are, part two, my conversation

• 2:15Conan O'Brien?

  with Dustin Hoffman.

• 2:20Conan O'Brien?

  Everyone here can cite 15 movies you've done that we love. The one we walked in today, Sona said, Hook, Hook, you gotta talk about Hook. And in it, you play Captain Hook and Bob Hoskins plays Sme. You had an interesting idea. You and Bob Hoskins had an interesting idea of how to play it. An idea that Steven Spielberg was maybe not thrilled about. Is that fair to say?

• 2:43Speaker 04

  Yes, uh, because in a sense, they were living in the same room together. And we thought-

• 2:49Conan O'Brien?

  They're on a ship, they're always together.

• 2:51Speaker 04

  That's right. And they're, you know, that they're, they're really gay. And we thought that was very brave of us, you know, because Sme, Sme was always doing anything I, I wanted. You know, I was the, uh, uh, what would be the, I was the, uh-

• 3:07Conan O'Brien?

  The top.

• 3:09Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, that's right.

• 3:10Conan O'Brien?

  You were the top buck.

• 3:11Speaker 04

  I was the topie.

• 3:12Conan O'Brien?

  I, um, I knew what he was going for and didn't say it. Cause I had restraint. But, yeah.

• 3:20Speaker 04

  Oh, Schlesinger, oh, Schlesinger was, uh, it was Schlesinger who said it. And it was Cowboy. That's, it was Cowboy. We wanted to make-

• 3:28Conan O'Brien?

  In Midnight Cowboy.

• 3:29Speaker 04

  Yes, we wanted to make them gay.

• 3:31Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 3:31Speaker 04

  Uh, and we, because we figured that they, that's what they are.

• 3:35Conan O'Brien?

  Right.

• 3:36Speaker 04

  And, uh, they live in one room. They slip, sleep in the same bed. I mean, come on.

• 3:40Conan O'Brien?

  So then you're playing, you're playing Hook with Bob Hoskins, and again, you're saying they're gay. They have a relationship.

• 3:47Speaker 04

  Yes. And, and so, well, Schlesinger said, oh, fine, I've taken, it's taken me three years to try to finance this movie. And now, and I only finance it because, you know, you're a star from The Graduate. And now, you know, with, with one, you know-

• 4:01Conan O'Brien?

  One choice.

• 4:02Speaker 04

  One choice.

• 4:02Conan O'Brien?

  Did you do this on All the President's Men? I know, I was gonna say that. I was thinking, what if your idea every time you made a film was it's Woodward and Bernstein, come on, they're in a committed relationship.

• 4:15Speaker 04

  Well, you know what they were called?

• 4:16Conan O'Brien?

  They're at the Washington Post together?

• 4:17Speaker 04

  They were called Woodstein.

• 4:18Conan O'Brien?

  Woodstein, yeah.

• 4:19Speaker 04

  I mean, how close do you have to get?

• 4:23Conan O'Brien?

  I love that. Every single time when you do a voice for Disney, you're like, he's gay and that's- The other fish is his lover and they're like, Mr. Hoffman, please. But not Tootsie, I draw the line there. Yeah, not Tootsie.

• 4:36Speaker 04

  Who was the one that was with Bugs Bunny?

• 4:38Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, Daffy Duck? Daffy Duck.

• 4:41Speaker 04

  I called Daffy for nothing.

• 4:46Conan O'Brien?

  So, every single role you played.

• 4:51Speaker 04

  I mean, we say gay, he's gay. I mean, same thing, gay as being happy.

• 4:55Conan O'Brien?

  A booyan, yeah.

• 4:56Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 4:57Conan O'Brien?

  Um, incredible. So you and Bob Hoskins go to Spielberg and say, we know the characters now, they're in a committed relationship, Sme and Hook. Spielberg's reaction, not thrilled?

• 5:10Speaker 04

  Right.

• 5:13Conan O'Brien?

  He's like, let me get back to you on that.

• 5:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's, well, he's a commercial guy, Spielberg. He, he knows what the public wants.

• 5:20Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. And it's not that.

• 5:22Speaker 04

  Right, it's not that.

• 5:23Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 5:24Speaker 04

  I find it moving. And it never happened before. There's a producer who I knew who calls me up and he said, uh, I just had an idea, uh, Hook. He didn't know where it came from. He says, the perfect movie. He wanted a hit. Wanted something that would be, he says, you would be Hook. And I really didn't know anything about it. I said, Hook?

• 5:47Conan O'Brien?

  About Peter Pan and all that, yeah.

• 5:48Speaker 04

  And there'll be Peter Pan and there'll be the, uh-

• 5:51Conan O'Brien?

  Tinker Bell?

• 5:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, Tinker Bell. And he said it would be a hit. And I said, okay, well, let me, I said, who would be, who would be your dream cast? And he says, well, you for Hook. He says, uh, Robin Williams would be great as, uh, Peter Pan. And, uh, and Spielberg would be great to direct it. Literally, I made the phone calls. I called up, uh, Robin and I said, and he just said, yeah, just like that. And, uh, then I called Spielberg, who was in Spain, I think, and, uh, and we were, I was telling him, he says, I says, here's what we got. We got so-and-so producing. I wanna play Hook. Robin wants to play, uh, uh-

• 6:33Conan O'Brien?

  Peter Pan.

• 6:33Speaker 04

  Peter Pan and so-and-so.

• 6:36Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, Bob Hoskins will be Sme.

• 6:37Speaker 04

  Yeah. And he says, yeah, sounds good, I'm in. Not, that's never happened before. So in five minutes, the three people that would wind up being in the movie

• 6:46Conan O'Brien?

  Right.

• 6:46Speaker 04

  said yes right off the bat.

• 6:48Conan O'Brien?

  I hope you got commissions. Cause you got all these people a lot of work. In the book, you talk about, when you're talking about Hook, you talk about your, how absolutely enthralled you were by Robin Williams, who I got to know a little bit, and he was a magical person.

• 7:03Speaker 04

  Do you wanna tell me why he was magical to you?

• 7:06Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, well, sure, um-

• 7:08Speaker 04

  Or do you want me to go first?

• 7:10Conan O'Brien?

  I think you should go first since you're Dustin Hoffman and, uh, it's a big deal. So I wanna hear what you have to, what did you, what made-

• 7:17Speaker 04

  He doesn't think he's a big deal. He's still looking for-

• 7:20Speaker 03

  I actually don't think he does.

• 7:22Conan O'Brien?

  I don't, actually.

• 7:23Speaker 04

  I agree, I agree.

• 7:28Conan O'Brien?

  So you agree with me, yeah, okay, um-

• 7:34Speaker 04

  It's okay. You could be stunned.

• 7:36Conan O'Brien?

  What was it? You write in the book that the first time you met Robin Williams, you went home and you wrote in your diary, you actually wrote in a journal how blown away you were.

• 7:46Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 7:47Conan O'Brien?

  We all know he was an amazing person, but what was it to you that made him special?

• 7:51Speaker 04

  He was the opposite of what his persona was. He was extremely self-conscious. He was, he was shy. He didn't think much of himself at all. He, uh, he was so insecure, he would not go to the dailies. In those days, we had dailies. So we're on the, on the same lot, we're doing whatever scene we're doing. And then I would just, it was Columbia, I think, that had stairs. And I would go up the stairs, open the door, and I would see the work from yesterday being what they call the dailies, whatever, on there. He would be waiting outside, halfway or two-thirds down the stairs. And I would come out afterwards and he says, how was I? And he wasn't kidding.

• 8:36Speaker 04

  And I would say, they said, what about when I did this? Every single little thing. And what about after I said that, did that work? And I had to tell him about each one. He wanted to know if they were, cause he'd be very upset if, if something didn't work. He had extraordinary insecurity.

• 8:52Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 8:53Speaker 04

  Is that all right to say?

• 8:54Conan O'Brien?

  But you know, that's-

• 8:56Speaker 04

  And that was-

• 8:56Conan O'Brien?

  Sometimes the fuel for him. And may have been the fuel for what enabled him to levitate like that.

• 9:02Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 9:02Conan O'Brien?

  Was just that-

• 9:03Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 9:04Conan O'Brien?

  I mean, you have your fuel. You have this, which you've, which you've already talked about, but it's evident that you still, like Jalen Brunson, wanna try and figure out how you can do it a little better.

• 9:16Speaker 04

  What I did wrong in the last shot.

• 9:18Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 9:19Speaker 04

  I don't wanna get it, the same thing wrong again.

• 9:21Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 9:22Speaker 04

  But that's, I mean, come on, life is what, 20% of it we're living?

• 9:27Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 9:28Speaker 04

  And the 80%, we'd love to redo.

• 9:31Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, could I have another pass? At high school.

• 9:34Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 9:36Conan O'Brien?

  The eighties, can I, can we do a retake on the eighties?

• 9:38Speaker 04

  Entire decade.

• 9:39Conan O'Brien?

  And then the nineties?

• 9:40Speaker 04

  Yes. Anyway, that Robin was, uh, he was, he was something. He was, he was something. He was, uh, he went to Juilliard School. He was a serious actor and, cause it was not easy to get in Juilliard. I couldn't get in there and he went to Juilliard and he was accepted. And one of the things you had to do in Juilliard, school, is it called? That's what it was called, right?

• 10:03Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, Juilliard, yeah.

• 10:04Speaker 04

  And the first year you had to take fencing and he was a master fencer. I can't even bend my legs. That's a very tough thing, his first position.

• 10:14Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 10:15Speaker 04

  As you try to do it, you try to just get down squat and then be like that. I can't do it. I can't even be in that position. It's not easy. He was, I had a stunt man doing everything, everything. I had my back for a couple of times, I put, put closer to my face. He did everything. Robin did every single moment of his fencing. He was an expert fencer. He was an athlete. He was, uh, he ran. He was always running.

• 10:43Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 10:44Speaker 04

  He running up around the park.

• 10:45Conan O'Brien?

  He was a big, um, when I knew him, he was, I mean, he, all his life, I think he was really into cycling. Really into cycling. And when I was going through a low point in my life, he found out and he called me up. He said, hey, chief, hey, chief. I'll never forget that. Hey, chief, how you doing? And I, he said, I want to cheer you up. He bought me a Colgano bike, which is a very nice Italian bike. And Cindy said, I'm having it made for you. It's gonna be painted all these crazy Irish colors. Like, I said, I said, make it look like a leprechaun. And I got this insane bike from Robin Williams. Oh, much more than that, much more than that, just because he heard that I was in a bit of a funk.

• 11:26Speaker 04

  That's him.

• 11:26Conan O'Brien?

  I've told these guys many times, I'm a little low. Nothing from you.

• 11:30Speaker 03

  No.

• 11:31Conan O'Brien?

  None of you. Never an expensive bike.

• 11:33Speaker 03

  Take from him.

• 11:34Conan O'Brien?

  You take from me.

• 11:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, when he's low, that's when he's most vulnerable.

• 11:38Conan O'Brien?

  That's when we strike, yeah. So here's my question for you, Dustin. We can never in a million years get to all the stories. People have to get this book, Look at Me. My question for you now, eighty-nine years old, what is it that you look for now every day?

• 11:57Speaker 04

  You not have to take a piss every seven minutes.

• 12:02Conan O'Brien?

  How many times have you urinated during this interview?

• 12:08Speaker 04

  Women don't know how lucky they are. They don't have to worry about a prostate.

• 12:13Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. We just have to worry about childbirth.

• 12:16Speaker 04

  Well, then there's that, yes, yes.

• 12:19Conan O'Brien?

  Other than that, no downsides to being a woman, Sona.

• 12:23Speaker 04

  Then there's that.

• 12:23Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, that's true. We have it easy.

• 12:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, one last thing about Robin.

• 12:28Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 12:29Speaker 04

  You guys here, how many people in your life, when you heard they were dead, that it was a shock that you, if you were driving, you had to stop driving?

• 12:40Conan O'Brien?

  I can tell you exactly. We were taping a show and just before I went out to do the show, we heard that Robin Williams had died. And I went out and I, I think I told the audience that Robin Williams had died and cameras were rolling. And then I, maybe it been Will Arnett, I don't remember who the guest was, but they came out and they were in shock. And Andy Richter was there. All of us were in shock and it was our, it was just the reality. We, we had to talk about it, but yes, it's very few people that can affect you that way.

• 13:12Speaker 04

  There was, well, how about princes die? I mean, what? I mean, you stopped your car. What? This is this young gal.

• 13:21Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Your plan is to live to over a hundred. That's the plan.

• 13:25Speaker 04

  Well, I have a, I, I, I have a thought on that, if I may.

• 13:29Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 13:29Speaker 04

  But I do have to take, uh, go number one. Why it's called number one, I don't know, because number two should be number one, right?

• 13:40Conan O'Brien?

  I think you make a good point. I also think another point is Eduardo, we should have a jar in here. Well, it's just, I mean, I've several times, I just go and I have to go. There's a lot of plastic on the floor back in my area of the podcast.

• 13:54Speaker 04

  I, I had bladder cancer. I'm not ashamed to say it.

• 13:58Conan O'Brien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:58Speaker 04

  Uh, and it was the luckiest thing that ever had, happened to me because that's a story too. I, do I say that in the, that's for, anyway, here I am, uh, at a hospital and I had urinary tract disease, which, which men can get as, as well.

• 14:15Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 14:15Speaker 04

  And that's what I thought it was by the symptoms. And the doctor said, well, just for the hell of it, let's, let's do a, a.

• 14:22Conan O'Brien?

  A scan, yeah.

• 14:23Speaker 04

  And it's one of those moments you never forget. And it's breakfast time in the cafeteria at UCLA and Lisa and I are sitting, having breakfast there. And I see the way she's walking toward me. This is not a good walk.

• 14:38Conan O'Brien?

  Not good news, yeah.

• 14:39Speaker 04

  You can tell, walking right there and certain things, especially I guess if you're in the business with writers or whatever, things we just remember, it's our job. And, and I, and she doesn't look at me. She just looks down and I say, you know, is it cancer? And she just nods her head.

• 14:59Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 15:00Speaker 04

  And I stood up and I said, I gotta go outside. That was the first thing I said. I had to, I had to go outside. I had to get a breath. And literally said to myself as I was going outside, I'm not a, I'm not a cancer kind of guy. I, I should be dying.

• 15:14Conan O'Brien?

  That's not my thing.

• 15:16Speaker 04

  My family, it should be heart attacks, you know, strokes, strokes, Jewish stuff, you know?

• 15:23Speaker 04

  Ca- cancer is for.

• 15:24Conan O'Brien?

  You have to say, you, you're, the guilt is spreading throughout your prostate.

• 15:29Speaker 04

  Cancer should be for the gallium, right?

• 15:31Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 15:32Speaker 04

  And, uh, Gentiles get cancer, you know? We get heart attacks and strokes and, and I get outside. Oh, and that's when I get the, the, the news and the guy comes to me. He's a, it's a lovely man. Yeah. Oh, he happened to be outside by accident. And his job was, uh, uh, uh, uh, cancer and, uh, he heard what it was. And I said, so what does that mean? He says, well, you know, it means you, you have a tumor. He says, but you're lucky, he says, because it's, I don't think we have to, they knew then, they didn't have to take, interesting story, they didn't have to take a, a piece of your, uh, uh, thigh and make a, and make a, a, a bag out of it.

• 16:16Conan O'Brien?

  Yep, yep.

• 16:16Speaker 04

  Right? They do that.

• 16:17Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 16:18Speaker 04

  They have to create a, a, you know, new sack, so to speak. And with me, it was, it wasn't connected to anything. That means it was all in itself.

• 16:28Conan O'Brien?

  So you dodged a bullet. You had a, this was a great.

• 16:30Speaker 04

  If you want to call it that, someone's gotta go in the penis and,

• 16:35Speaker 04

  and, and pull it out, right?

• 16:39Conan O'Brien?

  Come on. Wah, wah. Look, anytime people want to jump all, you know, I have to say, if people need to work on my penis, go for it.

• 16:49Speaker 04

  And I, and I.

• 16:50Conan O'Brien?

  They're dead down there. There's nothing happening.

• 16:52Speaker 04

  And I said, so, so what do you want to come outside? I said, so, so do I have to do it? No, you can wait for a few days. How about right now? And he said, yeah, I says, yeah, right now.

• 17:01Conan O'Brien?

  You're in the parking lot.

• 17:04Conan O'Brien?

  At least go to an operating room, deep throat.

• 17:07Speaker 04

  And I, and they, and I went and had it removed right then. They said, you're not gonna feel it. Because well, and I didn't, you know, it's, what you feel is because you're, you're drugged.

• 17:18Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 17:19Speaker 04

  Eleven o'clock that night, you know, suddenly I'm not drugged anymore and that area is on fire. You know, literally, it's because, oh, because when the nerve endings are, well, that's, no, that was my arm. That's another story. That's what I, see this?

• 17:35Conan O'Brien?

  You're getting your arm and your dick confused. Which is impressive. That's very impressive. So I'm holding my dick or was it my arm? I don't remember.

• 17:45Speaker 04

  But they put a catheter on me, right? When they took the tumor out?

• 17:49Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 17:49Speaker 04

  Well, and so when I woke up at night, it's connected to a, a, a, a thing at the bottom.

• 17:55Conan O'Brien?

  Yep.

• 17:56Speaker 04

  I couldn't lie there and just pee, knowing it was, you know, I still got on my feet, picked that thing up and went to the bathroom and pretended like I was going in the toilet. It meant everything to me. Does it make sense?

• 18:12Conan O'Brien?

  Yes. You have a catheter and you're going method on how you go to the bathroom.

• 18:17Speaker 04

  All right. So should I finish?

• 18:19Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, use the restroom.

• 18:20Speaker 04

  And then finish the story?

• 18:21Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna do the same.

• 18:31Conan O'Brien?

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• 18:42Speaker 03

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• 18:43Conan O'Brien?

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• 18:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:46Conan O'Brien?

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• 19:08Conan O'Brien?

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• 19:19Speaker 03

  Same.

• 19:19Conan O'Brien?

  Especially when I'm back in the Northeast, driving around. I mean, I grew up with that.

• 19:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:24Conan O'Brien?

  Cars were red, the salt on the road, people throwing rocks at me.

• 19:27Speaker 03

  What?

• 19:29Conan O'Brien?

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• 19:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:55Conan O'Brien?

  And the salt would eat away the car. We actually did have a Chevy, my dad had a Chevy Impala, and the floor rusted out and you could see the road going by.

• 20:02Speaker 03

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• 20:04Conan O'Brien?

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• 20:08Speaker 03

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• 20:09Conan O'Brien?

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• 20:15Conan O'Brien?

  Now, Sona, clearly I'm a very important person to you.

• 20:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:18Conan O'Brien?

  Just accept the premise and we'll move ahead.

• 20:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 20:20Conan O'Brien?

  I'm a very important person to you. What would you get me from Macy's for the holidays?

• 20:26Speaker 03

  A vase.

• 20:27Conan O'Brien?

  No, I don't want a vase, I want something better.

• 20:30Speaker 03

  A jacket.

• 20:31Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, nice jacket, I love a nice jacket.

• 20:33Speaker 03

  Jacket, nice jacket.

• 20:34Conan O'Brien?

  So now you have to do it, because you said you would.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  Aw, man, I didn't know you were doing that.

• 20:38Conan O'Brien?

  Well, I know the holidays, I know the holidays are months away, but it's never too early, Sona, to find gifts that I will love, gifts I will wear, and surprises that make the season unforgettable for me.

• 20:50Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 20:50Conan O'Brien?

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• 21:18Conan O'Brien?

  I have to ask you, why the title, which I love, by the way? Why "Look at Me"? How'd you come up with that title?

• 21:25Speaker 04

  Here I am, working with Sir Laurence Olivier Lordage, and we, there's a break there when when you're just, you know, there, in movies, you know, you spend 10 hours to get 3 minutes of film.

• 21:41Conan O'Brien?

  They're resetting cameras, they're adjusting the lighting, there's a sound issue, and you're just sitting around.

• 21:47Speaker 04

  Yes, and I don't like to go back to my camper, because I don't want to leave my camper if I'm there. I just want to stay there and sleep. So there I am, and hanging around with Sir Laurence, and I just say to him, I said, you know, I asked, I said, you know, I asked this, I ask this question almost to everybody, it doesn't have to be, as I said to you, it doesn't have to be acting, you know?

• 22:14Conan O'Brien?

  Doesn't have to be like a star, or an icon, or even an actor, just anybody?

• 22:19Speaker 04

  What do you think is the reason you're doing what you do? Right, and you kind of said yours, you know, when you were a kid. And, and I said, you know, people have said, you know, I do it because I think actors say, I think I have something to say, I think I have this talent that just needs to get out, all this. And every time I said one of those, he said, "bollocks, bollocks," which...

• 22:43Conan O'Brien?

  The Brits say, basically, bullshit, yeah.

• 22:46Speaker 04

  And it's balls and cock put together. That's what it comes from, bollocks.

• 22:50Conan O'Brien?

  Balls and cock should be together, in my opinion.

• 22:53Speaker 04

  And that's what, it's true.

• 22:54Speaker 03

  I had no idea.

• 22:55Speaker 04

  And that's it, you can look it up.

• 22:58Speaker 03

  I sure will.

• 22:59Conan O'Brien?

  I have many times.

• 23:01Speaker 04

  So, bollocks. So, which is interesting, in a way. I mean, you know, English is their thing. They can be elegant, too. Anyways, so, bollocks, bollocks. And I said, "So what is the reason?" And we were right next to each other, waiting for the camera. And he literally put his nose right to my nose, literally that close.

• 23:22Conan O'Brien?

  Right.

• 23:22Speaker 04

  And I said, so, when I would say it, he said that, he says, "bollocks, bollocks." I says, "Then what is it?" And he looked at me and he told me something that no one has ever said any better or any truer. "Look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me." And there it is.

• 23:40Conan O'Brien?

  There it is.

• 23:41Speaker 04

  There's nothing truer than that.

• 23:42Conan O'Brien?

  Uh, guilty, like, I, that is, yes.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  In other words, I exist, I'm alive, and I'm a vigil, and I am worth looking at, and being thought of as not ordinary, but special. And that I think is part of every single one of us, I think, I would say.

• 24:05Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 24:06Speaker 04

  And that's why it's called "Look at Me." No one's ever said it better. I get chills, even now.

• 24:10Conan O'Brien?

  Just thinking about it, yeah.

• 24:11Speaker 04

  "Look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me." That's everything, everything, isn't it?

• 24:19Conan O'Brien?

  It's so funny, too, because I think there's a thing that goes with that, too, sometimes, which is occasionally, no one look at me, and the minute they don't look at you, look at me. You know, there's a lot of celebrities, or people that have been in situations where, oh my god, someone's taking a picture, or paparazzi, "Don't look at me, don't look at me," but it, it's, "Look at me, look at me, look at me, don't look at me, look at me."

• 24:42Speaker 04

  Because there's a difference.

• 24:43Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 24:45Speaker 04

  You're not you when they're doing that. You're, they're taking pictures of everybody, right? You're not an individual. But if it's just you, it's you.

• 24:53Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 24:53Speaker 04

  And your unlikes, I mean, that's extraordinary. I mean, whatever is that overall thing that makes up what we call life, is that there has been no one ever, ever, in the history of human beings, that is you. We've had doppelgangers, you know, but no one has ever been you before. That's extraordinary. How can that be? You know? I mean, I, I mean, by the way, when you get to be this age, that's the kind of shit you think about.

• 25:22Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, I, I would love it if you came back sometime, because this is an all-timer, and like I say, we could, I could do an hour just on Papillon, just on all the presidents' men. We haven't even talked about Amadeus yet.

• 25:37Conan O'Brien?

  Amadeus.

• 25:40Speaker 04

  Well, I could tell you something about presidents' men, if I may.

• 25:43Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Please, please. Yeah, we're big fans of all the presidents' men, so...

• 25:47Speaker 04

  I can only say, one, the first thing that comes to mind, Redford, Redford, Redford, Redford, Redford, Redford. That is the reason that all the presidents' men got made, and that is the why all the presidents' men is all the presidents' men. And the reason of, here, he was, Robert Redford, I mean, number one, I think, as far as studios were concerned. He could not get any, he went to every single one, and he got turned down by every studio.

• 26:18Conan O'Brien?

  They wouldn't make all the presidents' men.

• 26:19Speaker 04

  They all said the same thing, "We know what the ending is."

• 26:22Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 26:23Speaker 04

  He says, "Yes, but you don't, it's not about that, it's about how, how they did it, what did they do." And he went to Woodstein, you know, and by the way, you couldn't get a better coupling of, is that the right word?

• 26:40Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:41Speaker 04

  Of...

• 26:42Conan O'Brien?

  Of an odd couple.

• 26:43Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yes. It's because Redford, who literally was the biggest star, but he got turned down by every single studio, and he says, "It's not about what the ending is, it's how, it's how."

• 26:58Conan O'Brien?

  How we got there.

• 26:58Speaker 04

  How we got there. And Redford, it was his, it meant, I think it meant the world to him. It was, for some reason, was the most important thing in the world, is to find out, step by step by step by step, what journalists did for a living, how extraordinary. And I think after the film came out, in fact, I noticed a fact, I was told anyways, you can look it up, is, is that, they, they had 20 times as many kids wanting to...

• 27:29Conan O'Brien?

  Be journalists.

• 27:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, be, starting college, wanting to be journalists from that. And what, the character he played had, was A went to B, and B went to C, and C went to D, and everything had to be looked at and authenticated before he came up with B after A. And it took a long time just to go from one letter to another. And Bernstein went from, was lazy.

• 27:59Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 28:00Speaker 04

  He went from A to H, because he didn't want to go through that. He was notoriously lazy, admittedly, because, and somehow, he was right.

• 28:09Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 28:10Speaker 04

  He was able to make that jump.

• 28:12Conan O'Brien?

  He's, he had a talent, and I, I love that scene where I think, I think it's Robert Redford as Woodward, files his report, and then, you guys haven't really interacted yet, you're at your desk, and then quietly you get up and you go over, and you look at his, and you start to make changes, and it is a scene from The Odd Couple. You know, it's Felix Unger and Oscar Madison, he comes over and says, "What are you, don't, don't do that." And you're saying, "You want it to be good, you want it to be right?" And it's a, it's one of the great meetings that's in cinema, I think.

• 28:48Speaker 04

  It really happened.

• 28:50Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, it really happened. I have a question.

• 28:52Speaker 04

  He says, "At least I want to get credit for it."

• 28:54Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. I have a question. Do you think Nixon ever saw all the presidents' men?

• 28:59Speaker 04

  Well, it's so interesting in terms of today, because Nixon had, had, he thought there was a value of being America and American. He was a patriot.

• 29:14Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:15Speaker 04

  As opposed to today.

• 29:17Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 29:17Speaker 04

  Nixon resigned, because he didn't want to be the only president that was...

• 29:23Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 29:24Speaker 04

  Yeah. He wanted that for the country.

• 29:27Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Well, also, I mean, that's the difference is, people talk about this a lot, but if all the... The Presence Men happened today. You know, the two journalists, Woodward and Bernstein, would be doing all the work. Would be talking about Trump. They would do it all. They would present the evidence and Trump would say fake news. What else you got? And it's happening. Yeah, and it's happening and it's. Even with Woodward. Yeah, and, and so it is. When I look at that movie, which is, again, one of my favorite movies, All the Presence Men. I'm also looking at a time when there was a respect for evidence and facts and journalism.

• 30:07Speaker 04

  Robards says it.

• 30:08Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 30:09Speaker 04

  You have to have it twice. And Robards was uncanny resemblance.

• 30:13Conan O'Brien?

  Jason Robards was amazing.

• 30:14Speaker 04

  And he got the Academy Award for it, I think. But he, he was exactly like Bradley, who I think was the head of the Washington Post.

• 30:22Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah. Unbelievable.

• 30:24Speaker 04

  Oh, he was extraordinary. What an actor. And interestingly, when I went to New York, the first thing I saw, the first straight play I saw was called The Disenchanted. And the reason that I went to see it, I didn't know anything. I was, you know, 20 years old. I love Bud Schulberg. And I had read What Makes Sammy Run. And Bud Schulberg, I think, had written The Disenchanted. And I'm going and I walk in, I second acted like we always did, you know, you, people.

• 30:54Conan O'Brien?

  You can get a cheaper, you can get in for free, pretty much.

• 30:57Speaker 04

  You go in when everybody is out, they don't check you and you just pick some seat in the last row of the balcony or whatever. And we call it second acting. And I went there and I'm watching it and my God, Jason Robards is on the stage and he's doing a monologue, I think that was like 20 minutes. And I said, this is the most extraordinary acting I've ever seen. That 20 minutes. By the way, there's another person, and I say it in the book, Elaine May.

• 31:26Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 31:26Speaker 04

  She's a genius, I think, by the way. She is on Tootsie. And we had everybody trying to make, couldn't make it work. Could not make that movie work. And she says, I'll tell you three, she read it. And she, she got back with and she read it immediately and called, I think, the next day. She says, okay, you need, no one's, it's never happened to me before or it won't ever happen. She says, you need three things. She says, you need, you need him to, to, to have a Jessica Lange person that he really wants to be with. But you need him to really have a girlfriend, the incredible Terry Gar.

• 32:04Conan O'Brien?

  Yep.

• 32:04Speaker 04

  And she shouldn't have died.

• 32:08Conan O'Brien?

  No, I'm sorry.

• 32:10Speaker 04

  God almighty. Anyways, you need Terry Gar. She, oh. Terry Gar and Terry Gar should be the one who is afraid to, how, she, she can't audition. Remember she, she, she, they got like, she goes three hours early to get up to her and she's so afraid. And so he goes in and pretends he's Terry, the Terry Gar character. And that's how he gets the job in Tootsie.

• 32:38Conan O'Brien?

  So Elaine May.

• 32:40Speaker 04

  And she says, you need a Terry Gar character who, who you treat like a piece of shit. And you need a Jessica Lange character who's a person you can't get. And for some reason, she says, and you, you need something out in the country. And that should be, uh, uh, uh, somebody's, what is it? He's the father of.

• 33:01Conan O'Brien?

  Charles Durney.

• 33:01Speaker 04

  Charles Durney is the father of.

• 33:03Conan O'Brien?

  Of Jessica Lange.

• 33:04Speaker 04

  Jessica Lange, and he has to fall in love with you. She just knew it.

• 33:15Conan O'Brien?

  Your name represents everything you've built, okay? Everything, like I feel that way about my name.

• 33:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:20Conan O'Brien?

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• 33:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:29Conan O'Brien?

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• 33:50Speaker 03

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• 33:51Conan O'Brien?

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• 34:00Speaker 03

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• 34:00Conan O'Brien?

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• 34:06Speaker 03

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• 34:07Conan O'Brien?

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• 34:30Conan O'Brien?

  The best pieces in your closet are the ones you can count on. Whether you're heading to work, going out, or keeping things casual, I have always found that to be true.

• 34:37Speaker 03

  Same.

• 34:37Conan O'Brien?

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• 34:47Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 34:48Conan O'Brien?

  14 karat gold and Italian leather, gold?

• 34:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:52Conan O'Brien?

  Wow, I didn't know that.

• 34:53Speaker 03

  I love gold.

• 34:54Conan O'Brien?

  Oh.

• 34:56Conan O'Brien?

  Okay. Blay, you've been rocking some Quince lately and, and I've noticed your game got better. You, you used to have kind of a goofy clothing game and then overnight it got better.

• 35:06Speaker 05

  You're right. And thanks to Quince. I'm currently I'm rocking the 100% Pima Cotton Lux Touch Tee, which I'm absolutely loving. It feels great on your skin. It fits me really well. And I just can't get enough of these. I feel like I just want to fill my whole closet with Quince.

• 35:20Conan O'Brien?

  I used to wear cheap t-shirts, ones that felt like I had a burlap sack over my body.

• 35:24Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:25Conan O'Brien?

  And it was the worst. And I just thought, oh, it's a t-shirt. What does it matter? And then I started wearing, you know, sort of slightly nicer t-shirts. And it made all the difference in the world. And I realized I'm not cranky anymore.

• 35:36Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 35:37Conan O'Brien?

  I think for most of my life I was cranky because I was wearing burlap.

• 35:39Speaker 03

  Well, you're still cranky.

• 35:40Conan O'Brien?

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• 36:08Conan O'Brien?

  This message is brought to you by BetterHelp. We all have those moments that pop up in our brain every now and then. And we think, if I could just delete that from my brain, I would be happy.

• 36:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:19Conan O'Brien?

  I think for me, it would be when I was a kid in Rhode Island and I was running around showing off in front of all my brothers and sisters. And then I said, check me out. And I did a funny fall and I fell into, into dog poop.

• 36:31Conan O'Brien?

  It was so embarrassing. And whenever you say, hey, look at me, and then fall into excrement, it's the worst thing ever, okay? Well, guess what? And here's, this is an ad.

• 36:45Speaker 03

  That's rough.

• 36:46Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, that's rough, right? And then my, my parents made me sit in the way back of the station wagon. Because I, I smelled like, like dog poop. Anyway.

• 36:59Conan O'Brien?

  I wish I could get rid of that memory. Well, BetterHelp therapists can help you clear the thoughts that are taking up way too much mental space. Now, I'm not saying I think about this all the time. But I'd say seven times a day.

• 37:12Conan O'Brien?

  And with insurance, many members pay $15 or less. Some pay $0. You know how much $0 is?

• 37:18Speaker 03

  How much?

• 37:18Conan O'Brien?

  It's zero.

• 37:21Conan O'Brien?

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• 38:00Conan O'Brien?

  BetterHelp is now in network with more than 125 health plans with many copays as low as $15 for eligible members. And if you don't have eligible insurance or live outside the US, you can still get 20% off your first month. And, and hey, maybe you didn't say, hey, everyone, look at me and fall into dog poop. Maybe you have some other unpleasant memory you want to explore and excavate. That's your business. I'm just telling you, I was in Watcho, Rhode Island. I said, hey, everybody, look at me. And I did a funny fall and landed right into dog poop. And then had to sit in the way back of a 1970 Pontiac Bonneville. All the way home to my grandfather's house, where I still smelled like dog poop.

• 38:43Conan O'Brien?

  Sign up and get 20% off betterhelp.com/conan. That's better H E O P dot com slash Conan.

• 38:56Conan O'Brien?

  That's incredible to me. Elaine May looks at the script and a lot of people, when they say, can you punch this up? Or can you tell me what we should do with this script? They'll say, I don't know, try and tighten it up a little bit. They give you something that doesn't really help. But for Elaine May to call up and say, here are the three things you need. This is how this clock is going to work.

• 39:16Speaker 04

  Never happen again.

• 39:17Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 39:18Speaker 04

  And she refused to have her name on the credits. She's, no, it's not mine. I didn't originate it. She's, I'm just called me in. What a person she is. And, and I say in the book, her thing that at 20 minute monologue she does from the play that she did. Himmler had a, a secretary who wrote everything down.

• 39:45Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 39:45Speaker 04

  And they got the diary of exactly what he said and did in this. And, and she memorized it from a show. What was the show called? The last Broadway play. She got the Tony for it, deservedly. What Broadway play did Elaine May get a Tony for? Oh, boy.

• 40:08Conan O'Brien?

  The Waverly Gallery?

• 40:09Speaker 04

  That's it.

• 40:09Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Kenneth Lonergan?

• 40:10Speaker 04

  That's right. Lonergan, who's terrific writer in his own right. He, he wrote it based on the diary and she does it. She, she, that's right. She's on camera and she reads it because it's, and she reads it as she's saying it. And if you haven't seen it, it's one of the great performances.

• 40:31Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, my God. I'm gonna check that out.

• 40:33Speaker 04

  And she is, she is, I think authentically a genius, Elaine. Anyway, thank you, sir. Really, thank you.

• 40:42Conan O'Brien?

  This has been fantastic. I hope you'll come back.

• 40:45Speaker 04

  Tomorrow.

• 40:47Conan O'Brien?

  What are you doing in 20 minutes? Dustin Hoffman, thank you.

• 40:53Conan O'Brien?

  I think you're urinating is what you're doing. Dustin Hoffman, an absolute joy. Thank you so much for being here.

• 41:00Speaker 04

  Well, thank you. And is it wrong to ask each of you to say your name so I can say thank you?

• 41:05Speaker 03

  My name is Matt and it's a pleasure.

• 41:07Speaker 04

  Thank you, Matt.

• 41:07Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 41:08Conan O'Brien?

  Aaron.

• 41:09Speaker 04

  Aaron? Thank you, Aaron.

• 41:11Speaker 03

  Sona.

• 41:12Speaker 04

  Sona. Eduardo. Eduardo. Adam. Adam. Thank you all for being a part of this.

• 41:18Conan O'Brien?

  Conan.

• 41:19Speaker 03

  No, no, that's fine. That's fine. No, he doesn't mean, he doesn't.

• 41:22Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, I just thought maybe he could.

• 41:23Speaker 03

  No, he doesn't mean it.

• 41:23Speaker 04

  Conan, Conan, yes. And there's a reason why your name is Conan, too.

• 41:27Conan O'Brien?

  We don't know what it is. My father just wanted me to have an interesting name.

• 41:30Speaker 04

  That's right. And because, and it's not, it's not Scottish, it's Irish.

• 41:35Conan O'Brien?

  No, it's not even technically an Irish name. It's like an old British, it was like an early, I think it was a, maybe the first, I don't know, like, maybe a very, very early Celtic bishop who was in England or an English person who went to Ireland. So I don't even know if it's technically a Gaelic name. I don't know what it is.

• 41:58Speaker 04

  So I think you say you don't know where you got the name from, Conan.

• 42:01Conan O'Brien?

  No, I don't know. My father found it. He didn't know about Conan the Barbarian. He didn't know about those books.

• 42:07Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 42:07Conan O'Brien?

  He didn't know anything about it. He just thought it was an interesting name, gave it to me, and then Arnold Schwarzenegger ruined it.

• 42:16Conan O'Brien?

  His movie.

• 42:17Speaker 04

  I could tell you a quick Schwarzenegger story.

• 42:19Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. You have got a Schwarzenegger story? Let's hear it.

• 42:22Speaker 04

  A quickie. I was in the swimming pool in Hawaii. That's where we took the kids because there's a place in Hawaii, if I can remember, where you could let them go and it was contained.

• 42:36Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. It's called the island of Hawaii.

• 42:41Speaker 04

  The entire island.

• 42:42Conan O'Brien?

  If they can't swim, you're pretty good.

• 42:43Speaker 03

  The volcano, specifically.

• 42:45Conan O'Brien?

  So you're, so you're in a swimming pool.

• 42:46Speaker 04

  Hawaii or something. And it's in clothes, so you can let them go.

• 42:49Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 42:49Speaker 04

  And I'm in, I'm in the swimming pool and suddenly I realized that Schwarzenegger is in the swimming pool, just a little distance away, 10 feet away. And I'm a, I can't swim with a, you know, so I need to be standing.

• 43:07Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 43:07Speaker 04

  Like, I, I love three feet of water. There's nothing like it, you know?

• 43:10Conan O'Brien?

  That's where you do your best swimming.

• 43:12Speaker 04

  Yes. I do swim in three, I, I, I, I do that stroke in about three feet, so that when I'm done, my feet hit the bottom. That's important. You can feel the bottom. So there's Schwarzenegger and I said, oh, my God, Arnold Schwarzenegger. Oh, it's nice to meet you. Oh, it's nice to meet you too. And we just start chatting and he's, I, I realized very quickly, he's bright, very bright guy.

• 43:38Conan O'Brien?

  Bright guy.

• 43:39Speaker 04

  And.

• 43:39Conan O'Brien?

  And he's funny.

• 43:40Speaker 04

  Yes, he is. Did you have him as a guest here?

• 43:43Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, yeah. I've encountered him several times. He's just a, he's very quick and funny. Yeah.

• 43:48Speaker 04

  Warren Beatty, who I've known for years, wanted to be governor and he got beat by Schwarzenegger.

• 43:55Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, Schwarzenegger did it first and then it was.

• 43:58Speaker 04

  Anyways, oh.

• 43:59Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, go ahead. So, so what happened when you're in the pool?

• 44:03Speaker 04

  It's one of those things you remember. Sun's out, three feet of water, whatever is there, we're talking. And he said, I think I asked him a question. I said, I asked him about reviews. We somehow started to talk about reviews and how you really feel when you get a bad review. And I said, the worst part about getting a bad review is that you can't counter it. Sometimes you don't even know who it is.

• 44:29Conan O'Brien?

  Right.

• 44:29Speaker 04

  I mean, it's such a cowardly job.

• 44:31Conan O'Brien?

  The critic, yeah, you're reading it, the critic isn't there, so you can't argue it out with them. You can't defend yourself.

• 44:35Speaker 04

  You can't. Sometimes you don't even know who it is. They, they, they don't take responsibility saying, I, I said this. And I said, so, and it hurts. Doesn't it hurt because of that? And he said, I said, how do, how do, I said, I'm still angry about certain reviews. In fact, Bob Duval, my old roommate, carries a horrible review he got off of the first off, off Broadway play he ever did. He carries it in his wallet.

• 45:02Speaker 03

  My God.

• 45:03Speaker 04

  So Schwarzenegger's, I said, so how do you feel? Does it bother you? He says, he looks at me, he says, with his accent, which I won't tell him, it was a great line. He says, did you ever think in your life, in your whole life, you would ever be this successful and you would be standing here on this island, paying this money for you and your family? Did you ever think that would happen? I said, no. He says, I didn't either. So he asked how I deal with it. I say, take your best shot.

• 45:39Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 45:40Speaker 04

  And that's a great line.

• 45:41Conan O'Brien?

  That's great. Take your best shot.

• 45:42Speaker 04

  Go ahead. Take your best shot because I got this.

• 45:46Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, he's not wrong.

• 45:48Speaker 04

  No.

• 45:48Conan O'Brien?

  And there's a cruel thing. I don't know what it is and you've mentioned it in the book, but you can have 10,000 people say something nice about you. If one says something negative, that's the one you remember.

• 46:00Speaker 04

  They may be the one who's right.

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