Zachary Levi | Club Random with Bill Maher

Bill Maher and actor (Shazam!) Zachary Levi on the insanity of cutting off family members at the holidays due to political disagreements, Zach’s vote for Trump and career implications, the importance of talking to the other side, the need for nuanced thinking, legacy media stoking divisions and fear, misinformation and extremism, Zach’s support of RFK Jr., open debate about medical issues, criticizing those who shut down questions as “anti-science,” the vilification of medical skeptics, skepticism or raises questions about medicine, spirituality and God, and finding common ground. Upgrade your closet with Rhone and use code RANDOM to save 20% at https://www.rhone.com/RANDOM Get 15% OFF and save even more on bundles using code RANDOM at https://www. GetSuperBeets.com Download the Draft Kings Casino App and sign up with code CLUBRANDOM Only on DraftKings Casino. Gambling problem? Call 1-800- GAMBLER. In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling call 888-789-7777 or visit https://www. CCPG.org. Please play responsibly. Twenty-one plus. Physically present in Connecticut, Michigan, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, West Virginia only. Void in Ontario. Eligibility restrictions apply. New customers only. Opt-in required. Casino Credits are non-withdrawable and expire in one hundred sixty eight hours. Terms at https://www.casino.draftkings.com /promos. Go to https://www. RadioactiveMedia.com or text RANDOM at 511511 to save up to 50%, today! Reverse hair loss with @iRestorelaser and get $625 off with the code RANDOM at https://www.irestorelaser.com/RANDOM #irestorepod Follow Club Random on IG: @ClubRandomPodcast Follow Bill on IG: @BillMaher Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/ClubRandom Watch Club Random on YouTube: https://bit.ly/ClubRandomYouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Bill Maher?

  They're mean to me, and I'm a way to the left of you.

• 0:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you're mean to them.

• 0:40Bill Maher?

  They'll choke lips and just like-

• 0:42Speaker 02

  Oh, I know. They'll kind of together in the-

• 0:43Bill Maher?

  Zach owns the club.

• 0:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I did, but-

• 0:51Bill Maher?

  Zach?

• 0:52Speaker 02

  Phil?

• 0:53Bill Maher?

  Is that you?

• 0:56Speaker 02

  It's I.

• 0:57Bill Maher?

  Hi.

• 0:57Speaker 02

  What's up, man?

• 0:58Bill Maher?

  Nice to meet you.

• 0:59Speaker 02

  So nice to meet you, too. Thanks for having me in your Club Random.

• 1:02Bill Maher?

  Yeah, you know, I brought this because it does, it can get very cold. Oh, is that yours?

• 1:07Speaker 02

  That's mine over there.

• 1:08Bill Maher?

  You might need that, too. I don't know, you know, look at the walls. They're like so, uh,

• 1:14Bill Maher?

  you know, wood absorbs. This gets cold.

• 1:18Speaker 02

  The brick gets cold?

• 1:19Bill Maher?

  Well, sure. It's just, you know, I mean, this funky place doesn't, if it had-

• 1:24Speaker 02

  How long have you been here? Like, how long have you lived in this spot?

• 1:26Bill Maher?

  I just got here, Zach.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  Shut the fuck up.

• 1:28Bill Maher?

  Like a minute ago. What, are you hot? I'm the one who gets hot.

• 1:30Speaker 02

  Not yet.

• 1:32Bill Maher?

  Oh, I've been in this, well, I live close by. I don't actually live here.

• 1:37Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:38Bill Maher?

  This is the party house, always was. Then we made it into an official party house, but, no, I'm just saying I brought the, because it does kind of get cold. But never cold conversationally.

• 1:48Speaker 02

  No, I'm not worried about that. I'm sure that's gonna stay, it's gonna stay nice and spicy.

• 1:52Bill Maher?

  It's funny, I thought that it would be such an appropriate day, because I don't know when we're gonna air this, or as the kids say, drop it like a rock, like it's hot. But it's the day before Thanksgiving.

• 2:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11Bill Maher?

  So I thought, since there was some, my last editorial I did Friday was all about yelling at people who cut people off or suggest cutting people off for the holiday.

• 2:21Speaker 02

  Oh, I reposted it.

• 2:22Bill Maher?

  Oh, you did, dude?

• 2:23Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:23Bill Maher?

  I mean, I- You know, well, we'll get into all that, I'm sure.

• 2:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28Bill Maher?

  You know, I know I've lost plenty of fans on the far left who like hate when I do that. But it's just so true and it's just so wrong. And so I do love to stick the knife in them when they do stupid things. I mean, advising you to cut off your family. And I understand how, I mean, nobody understands, you know, how much I didn't want Trump to be president more or said it more. But still, like, your family, I mean, just the lack of sort of common sense about, I mean, you'd think the one thing anyone can get is family. Like, it's always been the one thing that transcended politics.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, true. And also, I mean, listen, I don't think anybody, there's plenty of people that live with or have to deal with quite unhealthy families. Like, politics aside, I don't think that blood should be so thick that you would allow for, you know, abusive relationships in your life, right? But, but that said, a lot of people, unfortunately, they see someone on the other side of the political aisle merely by having voted for Trump, if they're from the left.

• 3:42Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  As that's abusive. They, they actually see it as an abusive behavior, which I don't agree with, but.

• 3:47Bill Maher?

  If people don't know what we're talking about, that's you. You got canceled for, for basically saying.

• 3:53Speaker 02

  Have I been canceled? Well. I hope I haven't been canceled yet. I mean, if it happens, it happens, I guess.

• 3:59Bill Maher?

  I mean, you, come on, didn't you lose jobs for that? Isn't that what canceling is?

• 4:04Speaker 02

  No. For coming out and voting for Trump?

• 4:07Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 4:08Speaker 02

  I mean, listen, I have yet to see what the ultimate effects of all that are gonna be. I already had multiple jobs that I was in the process of shooting or that I have yet to shoot, and none of those have been compromised. All of those, like, none of my producers or any of the, these studios behind those films or projects have called and said, hey, listen, this is a, you know, a line too far and we can't have you associated with the project anymore. We're all still full steam ahead on those. How it ultimately like plays out in the future, I don't know. You know, I'm gonna sit down with my team. I have yet, I've been in Eastern Europe making this movie all during the election and everything. I mean, I was all, you know, kind of disconnected a lot from what was going on other than social media and following the news and kind of seeing the play by plays.

• 4:53Speaker 02

  But. You know, I'm gonna sit down with my team and we'll talk about, because I haven't talked to any of them. They might say, hey, listen, we've had some phone calls with some people and they don't wanna work with you anymore. I don't know.

• 5:03Bill Maher?

  I could have sworn that already happened.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  No, no, I, yeah, I think it was because when I, when I did the town hall with Tulsi and Bobby. So basically, I was, I was stumping for Bobby. I really wanted Bobby to be our guy. Bobby Kennedy. Bobby Kennedy, yeah.

• 5:19Bill Maher?

  He sat there and, you know, I don't agree with everything, but among people in my field, especially who were considered liberals, uh, I have definitely been the most supportive.

• 5:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:33Bill Maher?

  You know, his general view of health and medicine and how it all works and what's important is closer to mine than Western medicine.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  Amen.

• 5:43Bill Maher?

  Having said that, you know, are there places where, and it's hard to pin him down because he's been all over the map. Like, when he sat there, I said to him, well, you know, you said there's no really good vaccines or something like that. Maybe that's not exactly it. And he went, that's what you think? And I said, yeah. Why? Well, cuz it's in print, you know?

• 6:04Speaker 02

  What's in print?

• 6:05Bill Maher?

  Uh, I forget exactly what.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  You mean, he said it was in print?

• 6:07Bill Maher?

  Yes, I was questioning him on something, and it was a much more blanket view of vaccines than I hold.

• 6:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:13Bill Maher?

  I'm not anti, you know, it's another thing I fucking hate about the left is that just to have a question about something.

• 6:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, means you're anti-vax, yeah.

• 6:22Bill Maher?

  Not an anti-vaxxer, you're, you're a pro-idiot because you're not looking at the nuance of it.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:27Bill Maher?

  And then, and then you have the nerve to call me unscientific. No, it's unscientific to be like, blinders.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 6:33Bill Maher?

  Uh, so, you know, I've said it a billion times, there are some pathogens out there and possibly to come that I would fight you for the vaccine.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  Listen.

• 6:43Bill Maher?

  I'd kill you.

• 6:44Speaker 02

  Uh, but it was, sure, but.

• 6:45Bill Maher?

  You in particular.

• 6:46Speaker 02

  Absolutely, I totally understand.

• 6:47Bill Maher?

  See, I'm getting it.

• 6:48Speaker 02

  I, I would be first to go. But, but I think that what he was saying, if I remember the clip correctly. And then ultimately, what he even kind of expounded on was, and what he is even saying now, and this people don't understand, just because he calls into question the efficacy and the safety of the current vaccine schedule, the 72 shots that we give the children.

• 7:08Bill Maher?

  It all should be called into question.

• 7:10Speaker 02

  And that's science.

• 7:11Bill Maher?

  Just question.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  And that is science. Science should never, ever, ever be afraid to be challenged, ever. And Bobby has been very adamant. He's like, listen, I'm not saying that vaccines, as writ large, are some evil thing. I don't think that either. But I think that a vaccine, what used to actually define what a vaccine was, what essentially was giving someone a live, attenuated.

• 7:36Bill Maher?

  Correct.

• 7:36Speaker 02

  Part of a virus or bacteria, just enough, where it got them just sick enough so that their immune system kicked on, and then they had a forever immune immunization from whatever this thing is.

• 7:49Bill Maher?

  Basically, a dead virus.

• 7:51Speaker 02

  Well, yes, a live attenuated. I mean, it's like, almost dead. It's weak enough where it's not gonna... I mean, listen, in the Revolutionary War with smallpox, this is what they did. People were getting smallpox and dying, and I think it was a French general, actually, who came over, one of the heroes of the Revolutionary War, and I think it was him who said, actually, what you need to do is, take a teeny little bit of the pus that is coming off of some of these soldiers.

• 8:16Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  And infect the rest of the soldiers with it, and let them go get sick and build the immunity. And that's how they beat the smallpox back then. That is more of a vaccine.

• 8:24Bill Maher?

  Right. That must have been at the very beginning of that, because Edward Jenner was soon after that, and the thing with the cow, and understanding, you know, using the cow. But that was late 1700s, and of course, the Revolutionary War is right after 1776. So those people were real pioneers, just in thinking.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  Absolutely. And understanding that. And by the way, I'm sure it was something that was evident for thousands of years. If you even go back to our tribal selves, people were getting sick with things. People were realizing and recognizing how some of that stuff had to have been going on. Whether they had a scientific understanding is completely secondary.

• 9:04Bill Maher?

  I think they had the concept of inoculating yourself deliberately.

• 9:08Speaker 02

  Well, I I don't know. I I don't know enough about it.

• 9:10Bill Maher?

  They surely didn't have that in thirteen hundred A D in Europe.

• 9:15Speaker 02

  No, the Dark Ages were the Dark Ages, bro.

• 9:17Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I mean, maybe the Indians did something.

• 9:21Speaker 02

  Well, that's what I'm saying. I think there's probably a lot of tribal peoples. I mean, listen, if tribal peoples could figure out there's a plant and a vine down in Peru and in Brazil. That if you mix a soup of the both of them, then your body can digest this ayahuasca and have. I mean, it's incredible the amount of knowledge and wisdom that that, you know, ancient tribal peoples have had about lots of different things. Our own biology being one of them, how we interact with various plants and medicines throughout, you know, for thousands of years. I don't, I'm not a historian on all of that. All I'm saying is that it would not surprise me that there was some understanding of if you can get this thing sick a little bit with this, then you will be stronger for it later on.

• 10:02Bill Maher?

  And what's what's so galling, and I just had this happen to me again, but I won't say by who, because I don't want to keep that thing going. But like the way if you have questions, they talk to you like you're a child. And it's like, okay, you know what? I understand that a vaccine, there's not a little man inside the needle. You know, I I I actually get it better than you do, but okay. But so but just don't talk to me. I don't talk to you that way, and we don't agree.

• 10:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 10:31Bill Maher?

  You know.

• 10:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:33Bill Maher?

  On this. And it's just, it's that kind of condescension that lost them the election, I keep saying it.

• 10:39Speaker 02

  It's hubris, man.

• 10:40Bill Maher?

  Like the combination of a shitty fucking exclusionary, don't come to my Thanksgiving attitude.

• 10:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:48Bill Maher?

  Combined with some really bad ideas, really stupid ideas that they then think, oh, the world hasn't caught up to our genius. You know, about putting, you know, penises in women's shelters or whatever the fuck. That's stupid on the left that they're doing.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:06Bill Maher?

  Uh, you know, I still think I would never vote for Trump because he doesn't understand about conceding elections. And that is the most important thing in a democracy, but we don't have to go there. It's Thanksgiving.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  I mean, that's a whole can of worms in and of itself.

• 11:20Bill Maher?

  I'm glad that you're not canceled.

• 11:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I, for now, like, who knows? I don't think, and to be perfectly honest, I will say also, even if.

• 11:29Bill Maher?

  Not even for the vaccine thing? They didn't like come after you for that?

• 11:32Speaker 02

  No, you mean when I posted against Pfizer years ago?

• 11:36Bill Maher?

  Just saying you like Bobby Kennedy.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  Oh, well, listen, I, when I was first stumping for Bobby before.

• 11:42Bill Maher?

  Oh, you stumped for him?

• 11:43Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, yeah, I was like going to fund, right? Well, I had signed up to go and be a guest at a fundraiser. And then what happened was it was all right around the time of him conceding. So the fundraiser didn't end up happening, but I was kind of a part of.

• 11:56Bill Maher?

  But you were attracted to the campaign because primarily the vaccine stuff? Or the medical in general, or the Kennedy name? What was it?

• 12:04Speaker 02

  Uh, I think everything. I think, uh, listen, as with any human being and our, our choices for, you know, candidates for president included, none, no one is perfect. No one is without fault. No one was without past, any of these things, right?

• 12:17Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  So when I look at all that stuff, and that's Kamala, that's Donald Trump, that's Bobby, that's whatever. So to me, that's kind of a cancel out. I'm like, I'm not looking at that. Like, what are, what are you about now? Who, who are you? Who have you shown yourself to be? Bobby, to me, is somebody with great depth and integrity. He's somebody who's actually like a human being. Who cares about human beings.

• 12:35Bill Maher?

  Right in this chair, I said to him, I don't agree with you on everything, but your ability to stick with what you believe, despite whatever they throw at you.

• 12:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:46Bill Maher?

  Including the family.

• 12:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:48Bill Maher?

  Taking a cab on him.

• 12:49Speaker 02

  One hundred percent.

• 12:50Bill Maher?

  Um, I said, I don't think your father would agree with everything you've ever said. But I can't imagine he wouldn't be so proud of you.

• 12:58Speaker 02

  So proud, man.

• 12:59Bill Maher?

  For that, sort of like, the spine. And then I gotta say, it kinda came out pretty well for him because he's got a job now that he's suited for. I mean, this was, another thing I said to him when he was sitting here was like, the thing you gotta do in your campaign is marry what you have been known for, which is you're an environmental lawyer, an environmentalist. You wanna make the world cleaner for us to live in so we don't get sick preemptively. That's what you're known for. Now you got this controversy about vaccines and so forth. Marry these two ideas. Like, this is what I've always worked on. I worked on putting sewage in the river. But we're putting sewage in our bodies now. It's kinda the same, it is the same subject.

• 13:42Speaker 02

  It's all holistic, man.

• 13:44Bill Maher?

  He kinda gets it that, uh, you know, uh, more than just a fringe of a bunch of hippies now in this country understand, me not getting poisoned is, it is important and I don't want it to happen to me.

• 14:00Speaker 02

  No.

• 14:00Bill Maher?

  And, and I'd certainly like to stop the stuff that, that I can't control stopping. I, I can't seem to be able to control not getting a credit card's worth of plastic in my body. Apparently a weekly basis, they tell me.

• 14:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:16Bill Maher?

  And I don't want that.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  Huberman actually recently, uh, checked that, that data. And apparently, it's not, you know, you're not getting your credit card's worth of plastic, but we are still getting microplastics constantly. And I mean, that's why I try to drink only water in glass bottles from now.

• 14:31Bill Maher?

  I try to too, but like, I had a company that delivered in glass and they stopped.

• 14:36Speaker 02

  Uh, that's no bueno.

• 14:37Bill Maher?

  So.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  That's no bueno.

• 14:41Bill Maher?

  I know somebody who says that. Yeah, I know, but there's no other way to get large amounts.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, it's like this, it's like, what is it, mountain, what is it, mountain valley? But that's not a good brand. I mean, there's a couple, there's still a couple of good brands that still make big, big. By the way, you can get this delivered in the large jugs that are, that are glass.

• 15:02Bill Maher?

  And do we even really know if it's that different than what comes out of the top?

• 15:07Speaker 02

  Yes, 100%.

• 15:08Bill Maher?

  Great. How? Why?

• 15:10Speaker 02

  Well, because there's a lot of product testing, quality testing, particularly with name brands like these.

• 15:15Bill Maher?

  And you were there?

• 15:16Speaker 02

  No, I wasn't, but, but listen.

• 15:18Bill Maher?

  So I'm just saying, you're always trusting.

• 15:20Speaker 02

  No, no, Bill, no, listen.

• 15:21Bill Maher?

  To a degree, you're always trusting.

• 15:22Speaker 02

  We all are. It's who we trust. It's who we trust.

• 15:26Bill Maher?

  Just because they write something on a bottle.

• 15:28Speaker 02

  No, I'm not saying it just because it's on a bottle. I'm talking about it's because of the people, literally the people that I, I follow on Instagram or on X. And places that I go to, people that I think are people of integrity that have actually done research, you know, like the Michael Schellenbergers of the world. I try to look at people and I go, okay, these to me are people that are trusted because they give a shit enough to really vet these things.

• 15:50Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 15:50Speaker 02

  And the Andrew Huberman's, like people like that. To me, I go, cool.

• 15:53Bill Maher?

  I agree.

• 15:54Speaker 02

  And I would say the problem, going back to what we were talking about before, why are, why are there so many people on the left who are feeling like, I've got to cut off my family? And I will say this, it is ridiculous. I think it's ridiculous. I don't think we should ever have gotten to this place. I think part of the reason why we are so, have so much animosity when it comes to things like religion and politics is because we were told for so long, don't talk about those at the dinner table. When in fact, we should be talking about it and learning how to be more civil in those conversations. But all of the people on the left that might want to cut off their family, and by the way, some people on the right too, might be a guilty of this. It's because of the bullshit that the legacy media has been saying over and over and over and over again, Bill.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  I mean, when you, when you have almost every network television show, other than Fox News, when all the rest are saying Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler. And all of his supporters are Nazis and Madison Square Garden is a Nazi rally and all of these things. Of course, you're going to spin all of these people watching. That into a tizzy of fear that, you know, and so it's like

• 16:53Bill Maher?

  As long as you acknowledge that Fox News invented spinning people into a tizzy

• 16:58Speaker 02

  Bill, that's not true.

• 16:59Bill Maher?

  Over bullshit.

• 17:00Speaker 02

  That is not true.

• 17:00Bill Maher?

  Fox News doesn't have a history of bullshit?

• 17:03Speaker 02

  Of course they do, but they're not the one who started it. Fox News was a response to because all of the rest of the media was basically more left leaning. And Fox News was like, okay, there's a, there's a

• 17:12Bill Maher?

  But they could have been right leaning and not also completely journalistically.

• 17:18Speaker 02

  I agree. That's why, that's why I include them in all of that. I think there are some people on each one of these networks that tries to actually step out and be honest.

• 17:26Bill Maher?

  I gotta say, you don't seem like the complete fucking idiot. The people on the left said you were. I'm terribly disappointed. You're, you're a very thoughtful, articulate guy who knows a lot. Um, how could that possibly be a Trump voter? And this is what I keep trying to say to people. No, no, I, I don't mean that in a bad way.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 17:46Bill Maher?

  I mean, you have to, you have to accept that in people. That you, there are places and people must know this from the relationships they're in.

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• 19:12Bill Maher?

  You must know that you're with a person as a friend, as a lover, whatever. And 80% of it is you're aligned. And then there's 20% where they're like, wow, that person's just nuts on that. But what can you do? And the answer is, accept. Accept that they, you know, I don't get the Trump vote because of what I said. And I could, we could go into it, but we don't have to because I think those ideas have been retreaded and rehearsed enough. But I just accept. And it's like, you know, sit down with this person, talk to them. First of all, maybe you'll see why. I mean, I certainly get why. I said it again in my last one.

• 19:55Bill Maher?

  The Democrats, they lost a crazy contest to a crazy person. You know, I totally get that.

• 20:01Speaker 02

  I don't, I, I don't, I don't know that that is the, the case though.

• 20:04Bill Maher?

  You don't think he's a crazy person?

• 20:06Speaker 02

  I don't, I actually don't. I don't think he's a paragon of morality, but I also don't think that the country-

• 20:11Bill Maher?

  Not my morality, that's a different issue.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  But I, but I would say though, I mean, listen, there's certainly, there's lots of details that one can add or subtract to this conversation. But in brass tacks, general terms, the four years of his presidency were significantly better than the four years of the Biden Harris presidency and vice presidency.

• 20:31Bill Maher?

  Well, there's more, there's so much more complicated.

• 20:34Speaker 02

  I know, that's what I'm saying. I understand it's more complicated.

• 20:35Bill Maher?

  Factors that move into that.

• 20:36Speaker 02

  Sure, fine. And people say, well, it was Obama's economy that he inherited. Okay, but fine, but, but hold on a second. Save COVID, which was not in his power at all.

• 20:45Bill Maher?

  It was his-

• 20:46Speaker 02

  We were, he not just maintained that economy, he made it even better. Our, our border was more secure, our economy was more secure, crime rates were down. I mean, it, this wasn't like a-

• 20:56Bill Maher?

  We weren't doing, doing anything to, because they, that side does not really believe in the- Emergency of environmental catastrophe. So that to me is one of the two deal breakers on the right. They don't really get it about the environment. I have, and the other one is democracy. They don't get that. So those are my two issues that are important to me as a voter. So.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  And that's, as it should be.

• 21:23Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  And you're, and you're entitled to.

• 21:25Bill Maher?

  Those are the two big weak points on the right. Very weak on that. I mean, Trump's environmental position is for clean air and clean water. Right. And as long as it's the end of the fucking water bottle he's sipping out of, that's as far as he looks into it. Okay. I mean, you know, the plastic in the ocean is not getting any better. And that crowd is not, it's not even on their radar. They don't give, even give a shit about it. So, you know, you're, you're not gonna, these people will think, well, we're gonna get Bill over to our side.

• 21:59Speaker 02

  Oh, no, no, no. I'm not trying to get you over to any side.

• 22:01Bill Maher?

  I mean.

• 22:02Speaker 02

  I just like, I like having the intellectual conversation.

• 22:04Bill Maher?

  Oh, me too.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 22:06Bill Maher?

  No, no, no, I love this.

• 22:07Speaker 02

  By the way, I would say though, and I think this is something, and I've heard you talk about this a lot on the show, but, you know, you are like a lot of folks who were classically liberal who got left in the left woke dust.

• 22:19Bill Maher?

  Sure.

• 22:19Speaker 02

  And you were like, I didn't move, I didn't change.

• 22:21Bill Maher?

  I didn't.

• 22:21Speaker 02

  The boundaries have changed. And I think it's been, it's a very, it's a very accurate representation of not only where you are, but also where lots of other people, Rogan being one of them.

• 22:30Bill Maher?

  I feel so, so good about, despite the way they've found ways to punish me, like never even really, I don't even get a nomination. My show isn't really even in that, please. It's embarrassing to them at this point. But that's their way of punishing the unwoke. But like their thing, you know, my thing with them is you do crazy nutty shit and have a shitty fucking attitude. And I just don't bend the knee like these other people. I, I will call that out. I will notice it. I will say that I'm noticing, I'm a noticer. Excuse me. And of course, this is anathema to them because, you know, when you look at like the things that they just.

• 23:16Bill Maher?

  Allow the angel of death to fly right over. I mean, I get it. A lot of times when people say, these far woke types say to me, like, how can you even consider talking to a Trump person? He's a rapist. It's, okay, well, first of all, I don't know if he's a rapist. He's certainly a pig. He's very vulgar. You shouldn't even say you would grab pussies, let alone do it. I don't know what happened in that dressing room. What I do know is Bill Clinton was accused of almost exactly the same kind of things. And you're okay with him. So right away, we're starting at, you're a giant hypocrite.

• 23:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of that.

• 23:50Bill Maher?

  So, so Trump is who he is on that level.

• 23:53Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 23:54Bill Maher?

  But on the other level, oh, wait, what were we talking about?

• 23:59Speaker 02

  Well, one, I know, right? It started to kick in. But I would say this, though.

• 24:03Bill Maher?

  That happened about two o'clock.

• 24:06Speaker 02

  But one of the things I was gonna say, though, was, again, going back to this initial thought of, how can someone come to this place of, of cutting people out of their life, their family, the holidays, all this stuff, right? But I think this is one of, one of the key issues, which is, it's, it's, it's, it's this unfortunate level of hubris. Meaning, you, and I, and a lot of other people that felt very passionately about the, the candidate we wanted to vote for, still, at the end of the day, are willing to have at least enough humility to recognize, I could be wrong.

• 24:40Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 24:41Speaker 02

  I, I actually could be wrong. I could be the one in the wrong right now. I don't think I am. I think I've done all the research. I've done all the things I need to do to make the best educated guess that I can make, based on the, the options that we have, which are limited at best, right?

• 24:53Bill Maher?

  No, you're wrong. But go ahead.

• 24:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's okay.

• 24:56Bill Maher?

  But I don't hate you for it.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. But, and that's the thing. But for somebody to come to the place where they're like, you are evil because of what you did, means they are so convinced of their own self-righteousness. Because they could not possibly be wrong.

• 25:10Bill Maher?

  And certitude.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:12Bill Maher?

  Is the hallmark of the person who's not an intellectual. The first thing a true intellectual knows is doubt.

• 25:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:20Bill Maher?

  Is that I may not be right.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:22Bill Maher?

  And, you know, my, my intelligence is marked by me being humble about how much I acknowledge that I don't know.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:29Bill Maher?

  And they have none of that.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a great Stoic quote. I'm not even sure it was like Aristotle or Plato or something, but, and I'm paraphrasing.

• 25:35Bill Maher?

  They were not Stoics.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  Who was that?

• 25:37Bill Maher?

  They were not, they were not Stoics.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Were they not?

• 25:39Bill Maher?

  No.

• 25:40Speaker 02

  Aristotle and Plato weren't part of?

• 25:42Bill Maher?

  Stoicism was. Um, I think a little earlier, it was Xeno, I think, was the guy who was the stoic guy. And you know, it was severe asceticism.

• 25:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:54Bill Maher?

  You know, I mean, Plato, I don't think was a stoic, wasn't he fucking little boys? I mean, he was.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  I don't know. Well, listen.

• 26:01Bill Maher?

  He was great.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  Regardless of whether they're stoics or not, the point is, there's, there's a great quote that I'm paraphrasing, but essentially it's like, the beginning of intelligence is recognizing that you know nothing, or something like that. And we have got to start from that place.

• 26:13Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  And people don't, because they are fed the lies.

• 26:17Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 26:17Speaker 02

  And we gotta have grace with people, because they, they are also, in their hearts, they think they're voting for the right thing, they think they're fighting for the right thing.

• 26:24Bill Maher?

  No, no.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  They've just been deceived, you know?

• 26:26Bill Maher?

  Just, I mean.

• 26:27Speaker 02

  And maybe we have.

• 26:28Bill Maher?

  I think, you know, MSNBC is a giant problem at this point, but don't, but, you know, don't, don't tell me that Tucker Carlson isn't.

• 26:37Speaker 02

  I don't know that Tucker Carlson is more of a problem. I think Tucker Carlson might be, no, no, seriously, hear me out, hear me out.

• 26:43Bill Maher?

  Oh, I, okay.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  Tucker Carlson is at least saying things he actually believes, and that I think he's done a lot of research.

• 26:49Bill Maher?

  We actually have proof that that is not the case, because.

• 26:53Speaker 02

  And what?

• 26:54Bill Maher?

  You must have seen this story, you seem so well informed.

• 26:57Speaker 02

  I'm pretty well informed, but I don't catch everything.

• 26:59Bill Maher?

  Yeah, you're very well informed.

• 27:00Speaker 02

  I don't catch everything.

• 27:00Bill Maher?

  Okay. Um, it came out, his texts came out, in the lawsuit. I mean, Fox News had to pay 780 million dollars. You remember this, after the 2020 election? Because they claimed falsely about election stealing stuff that Trump had trumped up, to get them to say, and Tucker Carlson, we have his private texts where he's saying that he, he absolutely doesn't believe this. And, and he's, and he's savaging Trump. So that's how we know he's full of shit. Because we have it. We have the actual text in complete diametrically opposition to what he was saying on the air.

• 27:45Bill Maher?

  About, you know, Dominion voting systems and all this bullshit that they tried to. And again, this is the main difference between the left and the right here. When the left loses an election, yes, they grumble about it and they say things they shouldn't, like he's an illegitimate president. They don't actually try to stay in office. Kamala Harris.

• 28:04Speaker 02

  Hang on a second. Bill, if Hillary Clinton and the Democrats got their way when they were challenging Trump and saying he was an illegitimate president in 2016, and they somehow got that bullshit Steele dossier to somehow, which was, by the way, all completely nonsense.

• 28:18Bill Maher?

  You watch too much Fox News.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  No, I don't watch Fox News at all.

• 28:21Bill Maher?

  This is a.

• 28:22Speaker 02

  I legitimately do not watch Fox News.

• 28:24Bill Maher?

  Well, you're getting this from some.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Bill, did Hillary not, did they not all think that he was a Russian asset? And that Russia, and that Russia had fixed the election? Was that not what they were saying?

• 28:34Bill Maher?

  But I got to explain to you the difference.

• 28:36Speaker 02

  Was it not?

• 28:36Bill Maher?

  And then we don't have to talk about this all night.

• 28:38Speaker 02

  Was it not?

• 28:39Bill Maher?

  I will, I will. But here's the difference. 2016, Trump pulls an inside straight and wins the Electoral College.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 28:48Bill Maher?

  Hillary acknowledges this happened, concedes the election before the cock crows the next day. Same as this time. Kamala Harris conceded the election, said, I lost. There's no lawsuits. There's no demanding recounts. There's none of this bullshit. There's, I trust the system and I say the other guy won. Now, what happened after that? The Russia thing? First of all, that's, that's completely debatable. But if you really think that there's some sort of equivalency here between after the guy who you admit won the election is in office, carping about him, saying, oh, the election

• 29:30Bill Maher?

  was unfair because of this or that, that has gone on throughout history. But nobody has done what he did, which is, he still has not conceded the 2020 election.

• 29:43Bill Maher?

  Took it to court 63 times, was laughed out of court 63 times, pressured the Justice Department to not, asked his supporters to march on the Capitol.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  He didn't ask them to do that.

• 30:00Bill Maher?

  Okay, but.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  And also, and also, he requested the National Guard and it's been, it's been confirmed that he was denied by Pelosi.

• 30:07Bill Maher?

  But the point is that by not conceding the election, by never saying from November, whatever day that election was, November 5th or something, to January 6th, he had two months to say to his supporters, "Yeah, we lost, we'll come back next time. You don't win them all," like every other, every other president and candidate ever did, including when it was possibly not kosher, like Nixon in 1960, Al Gore in 2000, but they did it. They came out and said it.

• 30:42Speaker 02

  After a recount.

• 30:43Bill Maher?

  If you don't get why that's completely different than whatever you're trying to say is an equivalency, then I can't talk more about this. I just have to accept this in you.

• 30:55Speaker 02

  But let me, but let me, no, no, let me just, let me clarify though.

• 30:57Bill Maher?

  But it is.

• 30:58Speaker 02

  I'm actually not, but I'm not trying to excuse all of that. I'm really not. I'm not saying, I'm not saying that his, I'm not saying that, that. That's very getting into science of biology.

• 31:07Bill Maher?

  No, but it is.

• 31:08Speaker 02

  No, there's a lot more nuance in that, in this.

• 31:10Bill Maher?

  No, there isn't. There's no.

• 31:11Speaker 02

  Hold on, Bill, hold on a second. Hold on, hold on.

• 31:12Bill Maher?

  There's no nuance in I concede the election.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  The way that he took that was the right way to do it. I don't, I agree with you. I don't think he should have done it that way. If he actually thought that the election was being stolen, he should have done something else about that as opposed to getting lost in his ego, which he did, which he does a lot. And I don't like that about Trump. I don't like that he does have, as part of his superpower, it is this ego that has protected him and made him strong and powerful and capable of being very charming and doing all the things he's done. And listen, I know a lot of people that know him. I'm like, you know, personally, I don't, I've never met him, but the people that do know him on a personal level will speak to the fact that he's, he is a human. There's a human in there who really does want the best. And did he handle it in the best way? I agree with you. I don't. I don't think he did. I don't.

• 31:54Bill Maher?

  I mean, handle it in the best way is like a super charitable way.

• 31:57Speaker 02

  I think there's.

• 31:58Bill Maher?

  Of characterizing not conceding the election, the cornerstone of what democracy is.

• 32:05Speaker 02

  Let me ask you a question.

• 32:05Bill Maher?

  So can we get off this? I mean, I, I.

• 32:07Speaker 02

  Okay, what else you want to talk about?

• 32:08Bill Maher?

  Because it's just frustrating for both of us.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  Let's talk about some else. What do you want to talk about?

• 32:13Bill Maher?

  Yeah, let's do that.

• 32:14Speaker 02

  What do you want to talk about? What are you smoking? You smoking sativa or indica?

• 32:16Bill Maher?

  And I ain't mad at you.

• 32:18Speaker 02

  Oh, buddy, buddy.

• 32:19Bill Maher?

  I ain't mad.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  We can, we can. Don't worry about it.

• 32:21Bill Maher?

  I ain't mad at you.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  This is, I love this show.

• 32:23Bill Maher?

  It just, me too. And, you know, but, again, I'm the man in the middle. I feel like I'm the perfect one in this country to bring us together because I never get mad at anybody. The right loves me because I'm able to, when the left needs to have a knife put in their gut. I, they all say this to me, nobody does it like you, Bill, because I know them. And also I can do it better, you know? They don't have any like great comedians on the right. It's okay.

• 32:51Speaker 02

  Oh, I, I beg to differ on that.

• 32:52Bill Maher?

  Like who?

• 32:54Speaker 02

  Well, I don't know. I mean, I think people that, that appeal more to conservative audiences.

• 32:58Bill Maher?

  Who's a great right wing comedian?

• 33:00Speaker 02

  Are you saying that's doing like political stuff or that?

• 33:02Bill Maher?

  Dennis Miller.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  Dennis, oh, yeah, well, Dennis Miller's fantastic.

• 33:06Bill Maher?

  I mean, he's a fantastic, I mean, just as a practitioner of.

• 33:09Speaker 02

  But I guess what I was, I wasn't thinking so much like politically right as much as I think like conservative, like, like a Nate Bargatze to me is a genius.

• 33:16Bill Maher?

  Don't know who that is.

• 33:17Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, he's so good. But he doesn't do a lot of political stuff. He just does, you know, like life comedy.

• 33:23Bill Maher?

  Then how do we know he's conservative?

• 33:25Speaker 02

  I don't know. I mean, I follow him on, on socials and I, I think he's like a, a Christian dude who lives in Tennessee, like.

• 33:31Bill Maher?

  Are you a Christian dude?

• 33:33Speaker 02

  I would call myself Christian adjacent at this point in my life.

• 33:35Bill Maher?

  What does that mean?

• 33:38Speaker 02

  I grew up in, in a, like a non-denominational, spirit-filled kind of, you know, Christian home. Modern church kind of Christian home. My mom and.

• 33:48Bill Maher?

  You went to a church?

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Well, so my mom and dad met in church, then they got divorced. We grew up with my mom, me and my sisters. My dad was more the religious, liturgic, meaning like would go to church every Sunday and on, and on Wednesdays and.

• 34:01Bill Maher?

  What church?

• 34:02Speaker 02

  Uh, I don't know. I, we grew up with my mom. I didn't, I, my dad lived in North Carolina.

• 34:06Bill Maher?

  What? Because I grew up in a really severe, ugly, violent, scary denomination called the Catholics.

• 34:17Bill Maher?

  But at least I knew what church I was going to. I was going to a Catholic church.

• 34:21Speaker 02

  Right. No, I mean, he was going to a Christian church. There's just like, there's a lot of different denominations.

• 34:25Bill Maher?

  But Christian is not a type of church. It's a, you know, it's a category under which you, were they Episcopalians? Were they Anglicans?

• 34:33Speaker 02

  Born again, like, yeah, like born again, spirit-filled, modern Christian, non-denominational kind of Christians.

• 34:39Bill Maher?

  Snakes?

• 34:40Speaker 02

  No. No, I don't. Not that I know, no.

• 34:43Bill Maher?

  You know, some of them have snakes.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  No, I've seen some of that stuff, man. It's crazy. It's crazy.

• 34:47Bill Maher?

  Speaking in tongues?

• 34:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, speaking in tongues.

• 34:49Bill Maher?

  Your group?

• 34:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, my, my mom and dad both did, yeah.

• 34:52Bill Maher?

  They spoke in tongues?

• 34:54Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 34:54Bill Maher?

  You know it's gibberish, right?

• 34:56Speaker 02

  I don't know. Sometimes I thought it might have been, but also I, I, listen, man, I believe in the-

• 35:00Bill Maher?

  Well, this explains the Trump thing.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  I listen, I believe in a God that is magnificent and all-powerful and like is the force in Star Wars, like in and through all things. And if God sees fit to give people the ability to speak in another foreign language out of nowhere, if in fact they're doing that, I believe that's possible. I don't know how many people are doing that, but I believe that's absolutely a thing that God Almighty, Yahweh can do, you know?

• 35:32Bill Maher?

  Well, I don't. No, I mean, but you knew that about me. Yeah.

• 35:37Speaker 02

  Actually, I didn't, I didn't really know. I didn't know that you'd grown up Catholic.

• 35:40Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:42Bill Maher?

  Yeah, um, my mother was culturally Jewish. I never even knew that till I was 13. She didn't go to church with us. And, um, you know, I was just so traumatized by the church experience. My father, my sister and I would go to church. My sister and I would go to catechism.

• 35:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:59Bill Maher?

  You know, where you learn how to be a Catholic. Um, it was also traumatizing to me that I never even thought, why doesn't mom come with us? She just never did, and I just accepted it. And then it came up like when I was 13 and Christmas, like, hmm, why don't you ever go to church? He was like, I'm Jewish. Like, what?

• 36:17Bill Maher?

  And she went and she said like.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  You're what? You're what? I'm what? I'm Jewish?

• 36:21Bill Maher?

  And she said, I said, why? And she said, well, I'm not really Jewish, but our family was Jewish. That, you know, they.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  Well, then you are Jewish.

• 36:28Bill Maher?

  Well, see, I hate when people say that because Jew and a religion is nothing more than an opinion.

• 36:33Speaker 02

  No, no, but I'm talking about like, like, like, like bloodline Jewish. If your mother was Jewish, then you're Jewish. According to Jewish bloodline.

• 36:39Bill Maher?

  Again, Jewish is a religion, which is a thought system. It's not the same thing as I'm Irish. That is, that is an ethnic.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 36:48Bill Maher?

  Category. Jewish is not an ethnic category.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  Israeli then? I mean, I don't know how it.

• 36:52Bill Maher?

  Israeli.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  Hebrew?

• 36:54Bill Maher?

  You're adorable.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  No, Hebrew, I don't know. What would you then call a non-practicing, not like, what do you call a person who is Jewish? But is not like a Jew that's practicing the religion?

• 37:03Bill Maher?

  Nothing. I mean.

• 37:04Speaker 02

  You have to call him something, Bill.

• 37:06Bill Maher?

  No, but again, because we're, we're, and people do this all the time. They mix up a Jew as an ethnic group. It's not an ethnic group. It's a religion, which is something goes on in your mind.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  It's both.

• 37:17Bill Maher?

  Me being, no, it's not. There are Jews all over the world. There's no, there's no, they, yes, they originated in.

• 37:24Speaker 02

  There's Irish all over the world. Doesn't mean that, just because they go to another country, doesn't make them not Irish anymore.

• 37:29Bill Maher?

  No, but like when they do your, if they do your DNA, you know, Irish would be one thing and then, but it wouldn't be like Jewish. The other.

• 37:37Speaker 02

  Yes, absolutely.

• 37:38Bill Maher?

  No, I don't think it would. I think it'd be like.

• 37:40Speaker 02

  Bill, 100%.

• 37:41Bill Maher?

  It would be, in mine, it was Hungarian.

• 37:43Speaker 02

  Okay. Well, then maybe you had some Hungarian Jew in there. I don't know.

• 37:47Bill Maher?

  Hungarian, but again, I could have been, you know, back when the family was in Hungary, that side of the family. Uh, one of them could have like suddenly become an Episcopalian and then I, I, but I would still be Hungarian blood.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I, I don't know. I think that's, that's getting us.

• 38:04Bill Maher?

  But anyway, the point is.

• 38:05Speaker 02

  My 23 and me told me I was like a percentage Ashkenazi Jew. So clearly they can track down something like that. I don't know.

• 38:13Bill Maher?

  Speaking of twenty-three and me, what's your, uh, are you married or you, uh? What it, what's your?

• 38:21Speaker 02

  Uh, no, I mean, I've been, uh, in a

• 38:24Bill Maher?

  What's your?

• 38:24Speaker 02

  Really wonderful relationship with a wonderful girl.

• 38:27Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 38:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, we

• 38:28Bill Maher?

  A girl? How old school?

• 38:30Speaker 02

  I know, right? How old fashioned of me. Uh, yeah, no, my, my wonderful girlfriend Maggie, who

• 38:36Bill Maher?

  How long?

• 38:36Speaker 02

  Been together for about a year now.

• 38:37Bill Maher?

  Oh, a year?

• 38:38Speaker 02

  Almost a year.

• 38:38Bill Maher?

  Oh, so it's still good, huh?

• 38:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, but honestly, I think, I mean, I'm, I wanna lock it down. She's wonderful.

• 38:44Bill Maher?

  Lock it down?

• 38:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 38:46Bill Maher?

  Oh, are we breaking news here?

• 38:48Speaker 02

  Well, no, I mean, she knows that.

• 38:50Bill Maher?

  No, she knows that, but just the world. Lock it down.

• 38:53Speaker 02

  I mean, I think that she's, I think that when you meet someone, when you finally get to a place in your own life, when you're really ready for it, and I haven't been, I had not been ready for it, I don't think, and I, and I don't think those things, these things that we really want in life, like, I think that God does, as somebody who believes in God, but I believe, or you might say the universe or whatever it is, but I think that there are really awesome visions and desires that God puts on your heart, and I think that those things can be attained, but it requires us doing self-work enough to figure out how to receive that blessing, because with every blessing comes the weight of the responsibility that comes with the blessing. And so, I finally got to a place in my life where I was able to attract someone who was finally in a place in her life

• 39:35Speaker 02

  to attract me, and when that timing happens and you can feel it, then it's like, yeah, let's, let's go do this.

• 39:40Bill Maher?

  Jesus, chicks must love this speech. No, seriously, can you, can you like transcribe that for me and email it to me?

• 39:46Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 39:47Bill Maher?

  Cause I am telling you, this is fucking gold. This, this will wet in panties from here to Kuala Lumpur. This, this is

• 39:55Speaker 02

  That's a, that's a fun poll, Kuala Lumpur, that's probably one you use a lot, right?

• 39:58Bill Maher?

  That's it.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Timbuktu.

• 40:00Bill Maher?

  Uh, I always loved the sound of that city.

• 40:02Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:02Bill Maher?

  It just, it's very

• 40:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:04Bill Maher?

  I wouldn't, I'm not gonna

• 40:05Speaker 02

  Almost sounds like a small, like, furry animal that's running around Madagascar. Have you seen the Kuala Lumpur's? They're, uh, they're ornery little fuckers. They'll steal your candy bars out of your hands.

• 40:15Bill Maher?

  See, you're so sophisticated, even though Kuala Lumpur. Where is Kuala Lumpur?

• 40:20Speaker 02

  Malaysia, isn't it?

• 40:21Bill Maher?

  Correct.

• 40:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:24Bill Maher?

  Trust me, the Hawk Tua girl would not have known that.

• 40:27Speaker 02

  Bro, that's so like, nothing against her as a human, I, she's a child of God and I, I wish her nothing. Seriously, but I, I, I despise what all of that represents.

• 40:38Bill Maher?

  What, all of what?

• 40:40Speaker 02

  Just.

• 40:40Bill Maher?

  Spitting on dick?

• 40:41Speaker 02

  No, rock and roll, take care of your man, whatever, like, do, do your, do your thing, like, that's fine. What I'm saying is, these drunken interviews that are this, you know, they're all over the internet, just dudes going and just interviewing people, right? Which is where she started.

• 40:57Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  By, by doing this viral internet thing that then everyone ran with as a joke, for the most part, right? But then that somehow creates a currency that makes that person famous, even though it was a fucking meme? And now that person, again, God bless her, but now she's doing a fucking podcast?

• 41:14Bill Maher?

  I suggested that. I'm the one who suggested that.

• 41:17Speaker 02

  Get out of here.

• 41:19Bill Maher?

  No, no.

• 41:19Speaker 02

  Get out of here.

• 41:20Bill Maher?

  When, when she was sitting there, I was trying to help her.

• 41:26Bill Maher?

  What?

• 41:28Bill Maher?

  No, we.

• 41:28Speaker 02

  So now I know who to blame.

• 41:30Bill Maher?

  And I said, you know, you should, I was trying, I was trying to, you know, mentor her to like, what's the next step? I said, you.

• 41:36Speaker 02

  You were feeding it, Bill.

• 41:38Bill Maher?

  I was.

• 41:39Speaker 02

  By having her on the show, you were feeding into that.

• 41:41Bill Maher?

  So what I was, and what's the harm to society? Well, I don't understand.

• 41:45Speaker 02

  What is the harm to society?

• 41:46Bill Maher?

  I don't, I don't understand where the harm is. I mean, here's.

• 41:49Speaker 02

  The more we have content, listen, we're already inundated with way too much fucking content, right? Was way too much. Our eyes are on a screen every damn second of every.

• 41:57Bill Maher?

  Not mine.

• 41:58Speaker 02

  Okay, maybe not yours.

• 41:58Bill Maher?

  That's your choice.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  Maybe not your, okay, but we also know that these things are built to addict people.

• 42:03Bill Maher?

  Yes, they are.

• 42:04Speaker 02

  And for younger people especially, which are, who are falling most prey to this stuff.

• 42:07Bill Maher?

  Absolutely.

• 42:08Speaker 02

  If we are filling our phones with nothing but shit like Hawk Tua stuff, that is not helping.

• 42:13Bill Maher?

  Okay, but I can't blame.

• 42:14Speaker 02

  The brains that are addicted to the phones.

• 42:16Bill Maher?

  But I can't blame her for that.

• 42:17Speaker 02

  I know, but that's what I'm saying, I'm not blaming her for that. I'm blaming everyone else who wanted to indulge in it and then whoever was like, you should do a podcast. And then the people that make that podcast.

• 42:27Bill Maher?

  But she, you know.

• 42:28Speaker 02

  Cut to me doing Hawk Tua. So anyway, I was telling Bill, I can't believe I'm here right now.

• 42:36Bill Maher?

  So, and that's very close to the truth. That's funny. But, um, but, but what I had here was a young lady who, uh, you know, look, we're not going to go into why, but I've certainly talked to many girls in her age group. And, you know, it is sad. They know nothing. I mean, they, it's not their fault. They went to school in America where they will let you out of school. I've said this a million times without knowing anything. And that is a fucking scandal. And it is mostly the Democratic Party, I will admit, that has to answer for that because their portfolio is education. They demanded it. They got it. They're the teachers' union, blah, blah, blah. We don't have to get into that.

• 43:19Bill Maher?

  But when the Hawk2a girl was here, I said, you know, I, I want to, I can, I, I can help this person a lot by giving them advice. And my advice was, um, one, recognize just out of the blue, you have been given, uh, a chip. Like if, if in life you were given chips and, and they were of different, you were given like a super platinum chip called fame. You can do something with this chip. Most people don't have it. You can trade it in for something. But I said, you should, A, start using your real name. You don't want to be the Hawk2a girl forever.

• 44:01Bill Maher?

  I now rescind that because I think Hawk2a is a great fucking name. You're not going to get rid of it anyway. And it's just a cool, it's a, it's Hawk2a. It's just good. Keep it. But the other thing I told her was you should start trade on this thing that you're famous for a little bit. Trade the chip in for, okay, now I'm going to do a podcast where I do relationship advice for people my age because I'm known for spitting on, spitting on dicks. So why wouldn't I know about relationship advice?

• 44:31Speaker 02

  Basically Gen Z's Dr. Ruth.

• 44:33Bill Maher?

  And now, right. And now she's doing, she said at the time, no, because she's such, she's such an innocent. She, she was working like at the, I don't know, the canning plant, the pickle factory, someplace that was very humble and she kind of liked it. And she sounded like she actually wouldn't mind if she went back to that. I was like, if you do, great. But, you know, you have been given this chip, very few people get, and you could translate it into something. So I, I'm glad to see that she took my advice.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  I think that.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  I think that it is not. It is not wrong of you in your position to want to.

• 45:12Bill Maher?

  Help.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  Help for certainly. And also to recognize that, yes, that is a very good metaphor for like, hey, you've been given this chip.

• 45:19Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  And there's some value here.

• 45:20Bill Maher?

  There is great value.

• 45:22Speaker 02

  And also, I think it's imperative that anyone who has given these chips for fame and for power, recognize that they have a responsibility to use it in, I believe, ways. Is it a sativa or indica?

• 45:36Bill Maher?

  Sativa.

• 45:36Speaker 02

  All right. To use it in ways that are more responsible, that are more conscious, that are more intentional. Now, is it?

• 45:45Bill Maher?

  He's not the one.

• 45:46Speaker 02

  Okay, but then help her then with that.

• 45:48Bill Maher?

  I can't.

• 45:48Speaker 02

  Well, then, then point her to somebody who can. I'm just saying, like, I don't think, I don't think it's good for us to just, like, let people, like, here you go, kid. Lay him off to the slaughter.

• 45:57Bill Maher?

  She really doesn't know anything. I, I mean, she's a sweet kid, but trust me. I mean, I'm talking like, and she's not alone. This is the thing, that all these kids, they don't, I mean, ask them, what came first? The Renaissance or the Middle Ages? They're like, what?

• 46:17Speaker 02

  Oh, I know.

• 46:17Bill Maher?

  They don't even understand the question.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  There's like, there's like men on the street interviews, like Kim Olde and stuff like something when they enter down by Hollywood Highland. And they ask people like, how many states? Yeah, the Leno used to do, how many states are in the United States? And like, uh, I'm like, what? What is happening?

• 46:32Bill Maher?

  Like, what's the biggest continent in the world? Paris? I mean, I've heard the, I mean, things that you, you think it's a gag.

• 46:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, you think it's a gag.

• 46:40Bill Maher?

  That people can be this benighted.

• 46:42Speaker 02

  Again, that's an indictment of our education system.

• 46:44Bill Maher?

  It is, it is totally.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  It's insane how bad it's got.

• 46:47Bill Maher?

  I mean, that's why, look, I, I, I know the woke people are, again, hate me because I'm not upset as they are about what happened. I didn't vote for him, but you know what? I'm not gonna pre-hate anything. Let's see, they've got, they're the disruptors, great. Look, I said on my show Friday night, I said Elon, he's a brilliant guy, I'm glad he's in there. And he believes in the environmental issue.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  He does.

• 47:15Bill Maher?

  Okay, so that's good, and I said, but we'll see. Let's see what happens when they start cutting, which they wanna do, I said, it's not like we don't need this. This country is bloated, it's fucking constipated, it needs a fucking colonic.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:32Bill Maher?

  Okay, I wouldn't have chosen him to do it, but let's see. And I said, literally, I said, my exact words were, let's see what happens when they start cutting. Let's see with the corn lobby and the pharmaceutical industry and the defense contractors. Three days later, I'm reading the paper, and Elon is going after the F-35. This is exactly what I-

• 47:55Speaker 02

  The jet?

• 47:56Bill Maher?

  Yes, which is, which is exactly what I would go after. Job one, the most ridiculous spending program forever, so, like, right there.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  Hypersonic missiles are gonna make those obsolete anyways.

• 48:08Bill Maher?

  I said, let's see if you really do this, and he did it. He was, because that's, that's really where they're most sensitive, is defense contractors and going after that.

• 48:16Speaker 02

  Oh man, and, and the bloated, like, charging fifty thousand dollars for a couple of lug nuts, like, whatever these insane stories are. But listen, I, I, I'm a, I'm very bullish on Elon, I'm, I'm just a big fan, I think all the things that, you know, he's, he's a different kind of, like, alien-ish, spectrum-y kind of fellow, but I am as well in many ways, so like, I, I relate to him, I get it.

• 48:39Bill Maher?

  Is that right? You think you're on the spectrum?

• 48:41Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I say that in, like, not technical term, but like, loose, in the sense of, like, I've had, like, pretty hardcore ADHD most all of my life. Like, my mom- They kept telling my mom to put me on Ritalin back in the day and I'm really grateful that she didn't because I don't think that you should be putting kids on any of that stuff. You need to let them develop. I have since, as an adult, had Adderall prescriptions or Wellbutrin prescriptions because my dopamine levels are pretty jacked up in my body. It's a long, long story.

• 49:08Bill Maher?

  But you seem so together. You seem, you're, you're right there. You look me in the eye. This, you, you track the conversation exactly. I see none of this.

• 49:19Speaker 02

  Well, because I'm, I'm on Wellbutrin, literally. I mean, that's been, and that's been a real game changer for me. But it's also something I don't want to be on for the rest of my life.

• 49:27Bill Maher?

  I can't believe people who have to take drugs to feel good.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  Well, I'll tell you what, though. Cannabis has been, uh, like, being able to have really measured doses of like little gummy edibles. I'm good, thank you. Of little gummy edibles, like little five milligram doses. Like, that's my vibe. I don't really smoke much anymore at all. But I, but just even that is something that, uh, directly benefits having kind of an ADHD type of.

• 49:56Bill Maher?

  Did you do other drugs back in the day?

• 49:59Speaker 02

  Oh, I've done all of them, basically. I mean, not all of them, but I mean, yeah, I've done LSD and psilocybin and, uh, cocaine and ketamine and marijuana.

• 50:09Bill Maher?

  Had a bad time with any of them or like?

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:12Bill Maher?

  Like which one?

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely. Well, I mean, I think that like, you know, fortunately, one of the ones that I've done the least amount of is cocaine. And it's that, that is, it'll, it, well, it, it sucks your soul away. I mean, that's why you gotta, it's, it's so, it's like that thing that it's like, it's like, yeah, just a little, like, let's go have fun, that thing. And then, but you just, you literally, it really is a soul sucking thing. And that's why, you know, so I try not to be partaking in that. I think that things like, I'm, I'm very bullish, having done a lot of discovering and stuff as I was younger, right? I'm in, I'm in a place in my life now where I don't see that stuff, or try not to see it as more than something that can absolutely be medicinal and beneficial in one's life, if you respect it.

• 50:55Speaker 02

  If you are not treating it as this recreational thing to go get lost in. But as a child, particularly one It was coming from a lot of like crazy, emotional, abusive type of home type stuff. And finding myself and not loving myself. I mean, I, all that stuff saved my life in a lot of ways. And I also learned, I think, some really, oh, man, some of the most connected moments I've ever had with God. Was when I might have been, you know, uh, on a soul search of wisdom psilocybin or something like that, you know? I've done ayahuasca before and I felt God definitely talked to me through that experience. So I think that there's really.

• 51:27Bill Maher?

  What are you saying?

• 51:28Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, in a couple of different ways. One was that.

• 51:31Bill Maher?

  Did he mention me?

• 51:32Speaker 02

  No. Yeah, but you don't want to hear what he said. Um.

• 51:36Bill Maher?

  I really don't.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, no. He says he's not a Jew. What? Um, no, like I, I felt like there was a couple of things. One of the things that I felt was like God's love. I felt so much of God's love, like I was being held almost like maternally being held by God.

• 51:53Bill Maher?

  So God's gay?

• 51:55Speaker 02

  No, I think, I think that God is kind of um, present in all of that stuff. I don't know that there's, I don't know that God has a gender. I know biblically, he's always referred to as a he, and I think that there, that's an aspect of his fatherhood and that, that energy of God. But even like when Moses came down from the mount, he was covered in the shekinah glory, the shekinah glory, which is a, described as the female energy or spirit of God. So I think that it's, yeah, yeah. And I see God as much more of the I am that I am, like, like the, like, again, like the great almighty God that is all encompassing of all things and.

• 52:32Bill Maher?

  I see him as will I am.

• 52:36Speaker 02

  It was, it was, oh, that's what I mean. It was will I am in the burning bush.

• 52:40Bill Maher?

  But like, I mean, this almost sounds like deism, which is what the founding fathers were. They were deists, where they like.

• 52:47Speaker 02

  Some are deists. A lot of them were Christian deists.

• 52:50Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah, true, but, but, um, they certainly weren't what they're, what the conservatives pretend that this was a Christian nation. I mean, they were obviously, uh, we know this from what they put in the constitution for the separation of church and state and this.

• 53:05Speaker 02

  Well, that was to protect the churches, not the states.

• 53:09Bill Maher?

  No, I think it was for both. I think they did not want to, they were truly revolutionaries and they were founding a country based not on what countries have always been founded on before, which is usually territory or ethnicity.

• 53:22Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 53:22Bill Maher?

  But on an idea.

• 53:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:23Bill Maher?

  Or a set of ideas.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  Constitutional republic.

• 53:26Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I mean, they, they, they came here to this country, let's not forget, escaping religious dogmatism. So they did not want to repeat the mistakes, religious dogmatism and monarchy that they had fled.

• 53:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:41Bill Maher?

  Right?

• 53:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:43Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  And no taxation without representation.

• 53:45Bill Maher?

  And that too. And, uh, yeah, no, I love America.

• 53:48Speaker 02

  Me too, man.

• 53:49Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 53:49Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 53:50Bill Maher?

  I, that's another, my, another issue I have with the left is like, and I chide them about it all the time, like, you know what would help you maybe win elections? Try to look like you like the country you're running in.

• 54:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:02Bill Maher?

  I mean, Trump, of course, has to go too far and fuck the flag. But, you know, it's better than the opposite. It's better than these, these ahistorical, America-hating hysterics.

• 54:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:15Bill Maher?

  That we're raising, especially at colleges.

• 54:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's really scary, man.

• 54:18Bill Maher?

  Where they, they think Hamas.

• 54:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:20Bill Maher?

  Or the liberators.

• 54:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's scary, man.

• 54:22Bill Maher?

  I mean, it, you know, again, when they come after me for like changing, like, I haven't changed, you assholes. You're rooting for terrorists now. Okay, that's all I would, I wouldn't even have to go, and I could go on for hours on that subject, but I wouldn't have to say anything more than that. You are rooting for terrorists, not, not all of them, but they're certainly not denouncing the people enough who are rooting for the terrorists.

• 54:45Speaker 02

  No, they're not, but, and again, this is not in any way to excuse their behavior, because everyone is still responsible for their behavior, even if it's a behavior that came out of, let's say, being lied to. I just want us to never forget, it's important, I think imperative, to always remember.

• 55:00Speaker 02

  It's easy for us to get angry with the foot soldiers that are out there doing all this crazy stupid shit. Like these college kids on campuses that are like, literally like terrorizing Jewish students on campuses. It's like, if you wanna go protest, like, do a pro- do a proper protest. And understand that that is you doing what you're doing and not going and harassing other people because of where they're going, right? Like, that's, that's part of free speech. Like, I can't say, "Don't, you can't go and do your protest." But that should never be infringing on the rights of anybody else. But again, these are the foot soldiers that have been programmed by this nonsense from above that is telling them through their very, our institutions and universities. Like, there's been an incredible, I mean, I'm sure you've seen these graphs.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  Like, in fact, I think I might have even seen you put it up on your show once. But if you, there's all these graphs of like, positions of like, uh, you know, of different, of different fields of expertise and, and, and roles and jobs and stuff like that. And the, and specifically departments in a university. And the amount of professors that are liberal leaning, it's, some of them are like 100%. There's not even a conservative leaning professor in that entire department.

• 56:09Bill Maher?

  Same, I mean, I've talked about this, yes, you're right, before. Not just in universities, NPR, somebody prominent left last year, and 87 of 87 positions, the top echelon positions at NPR, were liberal, Democrat, both Democratic. Twitter before Elon took over and completely reversed it was that way. Um, even if you're a liberal and a Democrat, you shouldn't think this is good. You need a balance, just like we need ying and yang and male and female, plus, of course, trans and gay and bisexual and, and all the other A, G, B, T, Q. We need everything, is what I'm trying to say.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  Something there in the alphabet.

• 56:52Bill Maher?

  You know, you need, you need, and we just have lost that idea. Everybody, and you're right about social media, because one thing you see on social media a lot is,

• 57:05Bill Maher?

  you know, there'll be some exchange and on the left one, it'll be like, "I owned this person." And then on the right, it'll be, "They owned me," or vice versa. But we just can't have a discussion. Somebody has to always own. They'll do it to us on this. They'll, they'll show clips and there's a like-

• 57:23Speaker 02

  Oh, I know, they'll kinda together in the-

• 57:24Bill Maher?

  Zack owned-

• 57:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I did, but-

• 57:29Bill Maher?

  And I'm not

• 57:29Speaker 02

  Cut that there.

• 57:32Bill Maher?

  And you know, I don't even wanna own you.

• 57:34Speaker 02

  No, well, exactly, but this is the point. If you're really trying to get to like, why science should be, should be welcoming questions? Why any of these ideas should be welcoming questions? That's because you should not be afraid to want to discuss the conversation because you're interested and I'm interested in hopefully getting to a truth.

• 57:52Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 57:52Speaker 02

  And if, if all parties are actually interested in that and not afraid that it might not sit well with the narrative that they think they're supposed to believe in, but rather like, hey, let's put all that aside and let's just try to get here. This type of a conversation, we're not trying to own each other. We're trying to own the truth. We're trying to get to whatever this is, if we can get there, other than just having a good conversation.

• 58:12Bill Maher?

  And acknowledging that that 10 or 20% that we probably will never agree on.

• 58:19Speaker 02

  Certainly.

• 58:20Bill Maher?

  Is okay just to leave there.

• 58:21Speaker 02

  Yes, we can still have turkey together.

• 58:24Bill Maher?

  Absolutely. You can have turkey without calling each other a turkey.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:29Bill Maher?

  I feel like is the way.

• 58:30Speaker 02

  Certainly.

• 58:31Bill Maher?

  Way I look at it.

• 58:32Speaker 02

  But again, that requires.

• 58:33Bill Maher?

  Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

• 58:35Speaker 02

  That requires people, I think, just having, again, just a smidge enough of humility. Just a smidge enough of humility to just say, I could be wrong.

• 58:43Bill Maher?

  I so agree.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  I could be wrong. Guys, we could all be wrong. I could be wrong, he could be wrong, we could be wrong, you could be wrong. The sooner we can all just at least get to there, the sooner we can start laying down our swords.

• 58:55Bill Maher?

  Since you believe in God, you know what would be great if he would do?

• 58:59Speaker 02

  What?

• 59:00Bill Maher?

  If he would just come down, instead of like speaking through whatever clouds or the French toast or like the Bible, I don't know, all these things he speaks to us to. He seems capable, you know, of being all powerful, of just talking. And he would just could straighten it all out. He comes down and he'd go, Bill, Zach was right about Trump and the, and I'd be like, whoa, okay, all right, I, I did not see that and I, but now that it's you, God, saying it, I mean, he could solve so much and, and.

• 59:33Speaker 02

  But also rob us.

• 59:34Bill Maher?

  So much hate and violence and.

• 59:36Speaker 02

  Okay, but also rob us of the opportunity. To actually, seriously, for every single time two people can actually come together, what a beautiful thing that is. How that's a, literally an energetic vibrational shift in both of who you are.

• 59:48Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 59:48Speaker 02

  And also the example that is to other people and be like, oh shit. Those people took the time, had enough humility and respect for each other to say, I think you're totally wrong, but let's, let's, let's do this. Let's figure it out. That's, i- if God came down and just solved it all for us all the time, we would not actually get, I think, part of what the most beautiful part of life is, which is the experience of it. Which comes with the hardship in order to feel the levity and the darkness and the light and all of those things that have to balance each other.

• 1:00:14Bill Maher?

  You know, you should do a movie. What?

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

  No, what?

• 1:00:18Bill Maher?

  I don't know.

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  Cause I don't know. Cause I don't know, because I don't know if you're about to tell a joke or if you're being earnest.

• 1:00:24Bill Maher?

  I, no, I, I, one thing I really do well here, I think, uh, as the hawk to a girl will tell you, is give people advice. I, I'm, I mean, I've been in show business a long time.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  Bring it though.

• 1:00:35Bill Maher?

  I, I am going to.

• 1:00:38Bill Maher?

  You should do a movie where you and Jon Hamm play brothers. You look like him, you, you sound like him.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:00:45Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:00:46Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:00:47Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  Well, I, I, I take all that as high compliment. I think he's a wonderful actor and.

• 1:00:50Bill Maher?

  Nobody ever told you that, that you look like?

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  No, no. I, most of my, most of my career, it's, it's being confused with John Krasinski, more than anything else.

• 1:00:59Bill Maher?

  Oh yeah, I see that too.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:01Bill Maher?

  Right. Well, he did well.

• 1:01:02Speaker 02

  Sometimes I get Fallon. I don't know, but there, but I think that we're all kind of in a, we're like in a spectrum of like ND, like nondescript white guy, like we're all just kind of in that. So, you know, when we're all on NBC all around the same time. So I think people just like confuse the promos and they're like, oh yeah, that guy.

• 1:01:20Bill Maher?

  I, that's ridiculous. We're not nondescript. I mean, you know.

• 1:01:23Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't, you're not in that group, bro. You're in a different spectrum.

• 1:01:27Bill Maher?

  Well, I would hope they would look at the both of us and people would go, geez, I can't tell the. That would be a one God, if you wanna do me a favor now that I'm talking to one of your

• 1:01:38Speaker 02

  Oh dear.

• 1:01:39Bill Maher?

  Your big fans.

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:40Bill Maher?

  Big fan. So I assume your, assume your girl is, is religious too, because it's very hard to like have a relationship where one of them is and one of them isn't.

• 1:01:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I mean, I, I don't know that I would consider her religious. I, I don't, I don't consider myself religious, but I consider us both to be very deeply spiritual.

• 1:01:56Bill Maher?

  Okay, I mean, you know.

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  No, no, but that.

• 1:01:57Bill Maher?

  These words.

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  I, no, but I mean.

• 1:01:59Bill Maher?

  No, you're right. There's a difference.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  Words matter, words matter.

• 1:02:01Bill Maher?

  Right, right.

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  And it's not, and I'm not even trying to split hairs on it. I'm just wanting, I'm wanting to be more specific about it, but yeah.

• 1:02:06Bill Maher?

  You believe in God, not everybody who says they work for him.

• 1:02:10Speaker 02

  Sure. Wait, what?

• 1:02:13Bill Maher?

  You believe in God, not everybody who says they work for him.

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  No, no, no, but I think that that's, it's important. Well, sure. I mean, yeah, on some, on some level. I think that religion is more, it more kind of, you know, found in the ritual. Like, that's like, like, you know, in Catholicism and going to mass. Like, I, I went to mass a lot with my, with my grandma back in the day. Oh, really? Oh, yeah, yeah. My grandma was Catholic. My mom grew up Catholic and then rebelled and became a, born and a Christian. But, um, but my grandma would.

• 1:02:41Bill Maher?

  Hardly a rebellion.

• 1:02:43Speaker 02

  Well.

• 1:02:43Bill Maher?

  A rebellion would be she.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  From the, the constrictions and rules and regulations and shame of Catholicism.

• 1:02:50Bill Maher?

  Right, well.

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  That's your rebellion against that.

• 1:02:52Bill Maher?

  Okay, a, a real rebellion when she became, would be she became an atheist. I'm not mad at her because she didn't. I'm just saying, to go from Catholic to Christian is like, okay, you know, you, you skipped some of the bullshit of the Catholic Church. Good for you. That is smart, because there's a lot of bullshit there.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  Well, there's a lot of bullshit everywhere.

• 1:03:10Bill Maher?

  Well, I was just watching this movie. Oh, fuck.

• 1:03:12Speaker 02

  Don't worry, nobody saw that.

• 1:03:13Bill Maher?

  No, I don't care if they did.

• 1:03:16Bill Maher?

  This place is a place to drink and smoke pot. Um, and I'm gonna drink it like a fucking.

• 1:03:22Speaker 02

  Sip it, yeah. Get, get right off the lip there. Yeah. That's a first. First time on Club Random, I bet, right there.

• 1:03:28Bill Maher?

  Absolutely.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  Sip it a little bit more. Come on, give the people what they want.

• 1:03:30Bill Maher?

  This movie Conclave, it's really good. Started it last night. It's about, it's with Ralph Fiennes. And, uh, who else is in that? Stanley Tucci. It's about, uh, Pope. You know, the Pope dies. Conclave, and then they have the car, the colleges. Just the intrigue that goes on behind the scenes.

• 1:03:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:50Bill Maher?

  It's, uh.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  Great cast.

• 1:03:52Bill Maher?

  Great cast. John Lithgow.

• 1:03:53Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:03:54Bill Maher?

  And.

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  Oh, John Lithgow.

• 1:03:56Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  He's so good.

• 1:03:57Bill Maher?

  He's super woke. You probably wouldn't want to talk politics with him.

• 1:04:01Speaker 02

  Okay, but I don't care.

• 1:04:02Bill Maher?

  Exactly. We don't care. It's Thanksgiving.

• 1:04:05Speaker 02

  Well, no, even outside of Thanksgiving, I still.

• 1:04:07Bill Maher?

  Even out, exactly.

• 1:04:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:09Bill Maher?

  No, no.

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  I don't, because I don't, again, I, knowing that I could be wrong, I'm never looking at them and, and what they, anybody on the other side of the, the spectrum of me is choosing, I'm going, okay, they've, they're going in their heart and their mind, you know.

• 1:04:22Bill Maher?

  I'm just telling you, bro, I don't know what happened in the past and I wish you the best in the future. I like you. But this town is, I mean, they're mean to me and I'm a way to the left of you.

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you're mean to them.

• 1:04:40Bill Maher?

  That's true.

• 1:04:41Speaker 02

  I'm not trying to be mean to them.

• 1:04:43Bill Maher?

  You're right.

• 1:04:43Speaker 02

  I'm just trying to love everybody.

• 1:04:44Bill Maher?

  You're right.

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  You know.

• 1:04:45Bill Maher?

  That's true. But if you think you're just gonna skate through this town with those political credentials, I'm telling you.

• 1:04:52Speaker 02

  No, but, listen, listen.

• 1:04:53Bill Maher?

  You're not.

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  I don't, hold on, I don't, I'm, I'm not expecting to. I don't know, I don't know what, I don't know what's gonna happen, but I will say, I will say this.

• 1:05:02Bill Maher?

  You got integrity. You, you're gonna say what you're gonna say, even if it costs you jobs, and it will.

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe. I don't know. There'll be other jobs. There'll be different things.

• 1:05:12Bill Maher?

  That's great. Right.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:14Bill Maher?

  There's that, uh, that Christian series you could do. There's that thing like, about, no, no, no, about the rapture and, uh.

• 1:05:24Speaker 02

  Oh, Left Behind?

• 1:05:25Bill Maher?

  Left Behind.

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  With Kirk Cameron?

• 1:05:27Bill Maher?

  Kirk Cameron, yes.

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  I stopped making those a long time ago.

• 1:05:29Bill Maher?

  They did?

• 1:05:30Speaker 02

  They did, yeah.

• 1:05:31Bill Maher?

  But like Kirk Cameron, a perfect example. They were, or like Kevin Sorbo. You know, these guys are never gonna get on any casting director's list.

• 1:05:42Speaker 02

  Maybe not, but I don't, but listen, I don't.

• 1:05:45Bill Maher?

  You know.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  We're all very different people and, and, you know, where we're at in our careers and all those various things and, and again, like I have nothing but love for those guys and they're, they're still working and doing what they're doing.

• 1:05:58Bill Maher?

  I'm gonna speak about this and, and. I'm gonna speak in Italian. No, that's the Godfather. No, I'm gonna speak about this and I'm gonna try to be vague because I'm not so sure exactly how much I should be saying in public. But I happen to know a few things about the Trump movie that came out.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:06:17Bill Maher?

  Remember?

• 1:06:17Speaker 02

  With Sebastian Stan?

• 1:06:18Bill Maher?

  Sebastian Stan.

• 1:06:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:20Bill Maher?

  And Jeremy Strong, late of succession. Two brilliant actors.

• 1:06:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:25Bill Maher?

  Um, I was so impressed with both of them. I mean, they both should be nominated for Best Actor. And that movie is a great movie. But because it's about Trump and the, um, wow, it's a big pour for a Christian.

• 1:06:43Speaker 02

  You know.

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  Christian adjacent.

• 1:06:46Bill Maher?

  Even the Cardinals are allowed to drink. It's in the movie. Like, there's not, there's no rules against how much you can drink as a Cardinal.

• 1:06:53Speaker 02

  No, you just can't have sex.

• 1:06:54Bill Maher?

  Uh, yeah, well, they certainly.

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:58Bill Maher?

  Lacks on that rule.

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:59Bill Maher?

  But, um, this movie is because it's about Trump and because it's a brilliant movie, but you have to accept it as art. The first half, the people who hate Trump hate it because he's a human. He works for his shit father. He's got a shit father, which is only the subject of a trillion movies where you do feel bad for the character. Um, and, you know, this, at the beginning, like, he's going around and collecting rents, which he did, uh, and people sometimes, when you go around to collect rent, don't like it. He opens one door and a guy throws boiling hot water at him. I mean, that shit happens.

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:40Bill Maher?

  Okay, he's not a monster. That's what good art is. It shows the arc, how he become, then he meets Roy Cohn. That's the movie, The Apprentice. And he's learned, you know, learns from Roy Cohn how to be a ruthless bastard. And, you know, all that. And then the second half of the movie, I mean, yeah, if you're a liberal, then you'll love that because he's an asshole and does this and does bad things. And we see the Trump, uh, we know as a political figure emerging. Um, but it's just too much for these people to even suffer through half of a movie where he's a human being. So we also have to punish the actors.

• 1:08:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:19Bill Maher?

  And we have to punish the movie. And I'm telling you, that is a terrific movie.

• 1:08:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've heard nothing but great things. I haven't seen it yet. I really want to.

• 1:08:26Bill Maher?

  They finally let it be seen here, but of course. Nobody went to see it because, again, you would not like half of it. And of course, everybody has to be completely confirmed in their ideas.

• 1:08:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, I think, I think that they're, unfortunately or unfortunately, I actually think there's probably a lot of people out there that would enjoy all of it, but that they don't. It's just the people, again, if you're more moderate, if you're more in the middle and you recognize that everyone is a human being, and this is something that is lost, because people, and I, what helps me is that I look at everyone as a child of God. I look at everyone through the lens of, at some point, you were five years old, and you had every possibility in the world, and then you were programmed and conditioned through your upbringing, through

• 1:09:15Bill Maher?

  Even before five.

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  Well, even before five, but I'm just saying, like, still, again, I'm using a round term, whatever, round number, but the idea is that we were all children with all these different possibilities, and then-

• 1:09:25Bill Maher?

  But that programming might already be in by five.

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  Listen, some of it's just genetic. There's programming in us that they have actually shown to be straight up, literally hereditary, that's built into you.

• 1:09:34Bill Maher?

  We use the term anal when someone is like, super neat.

• 1:09:38Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:09:38Bill Maher?

  Well, the way you make, obviously, you use it for something else, like, "Honey, I'm feeling anal tonight." "No, your ass, I meant." No, but anal refers to the anal stage, you know, which is zero to two, when you are shitting your pants.

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:10:03Bill Maher?

  And how you are treated, I mean, this is from-

• 1:10:05Speaker 02

  No, totally.

• 1:10:06Bill Maher?

  This is from Erickson, the great father of psychology, one of the great ones, I think, mostly, and Jung.

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  Jung is-

• 1:10:14Bill Maher?

  And Freud.

• 1:10:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:15Bill Maher?

  But like, how you were, whatever was going on in your, in your just beginning mind at that time, really affected, like, you later in life. So when we talk about someone who's very anal as an adult, they're very neat. And, you know, the theory is this has to do with how they were treated or how they responded to having shit in their drawers when they were six months old.

• 1:10:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:40Bill Maher?

  And if you, you know, I can't believe my mother left me with shit in my drawers. But to this day, I'm very anal and I don't like shit. Like, and I would never fuck anybody in the ass.

• 1:10:53Speaker 02

  Wow, that's like a turn.

• 1:10:54Bill Maher?

  No, it's not a turn. It's part of the subject. I'm just saying.

• 1:10:58Speaker 02

  Right, right. No, no, no. I understand what you're saying. I think.

• 1:11:00Bill Maher?

  Shit on the end of my dick is just not in the.

• 1:11:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, different strokes for different folks, man. I don't know.

• 1:11:06Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 1:11:07Speaker 02

  I, I can only imagine, though, that porn has done a number on pushing this envelope farther and farther and farther. I mean, you know, once porn became ubiquitous and free all over the internet, then you have kids that are jumping onto porn at very young ages. And by the time they're even in middle school, they're already like pushing the envelope of what a normal adult sex life would be, that kind of stuff. So it's like, it definitely, it's got to be some part of how these things.

• 1:11:32Bill Maher?

  It is. I mean, look, I've been a libertine my whole life, but I'd be the first to say porn is not benign. Not where it's gone.

• 1:11:39Speaker 02

  No way, man.

• 1:11:40Bill Maher?

  Uh, it's, it's so funny because like our avatars out there in the world have to be so politically correct about everything. And yet what they're really doing, what people are really doing on the internet between porn and OnlyFans.

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:11:54Bill Maher?

  It's just a nation full of fucking freaks and perverts.

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  Bro, but check this out. AI is about to start.

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  Right now, young, lonely boys particularly are spending their life savings on not talking, talking to a girl on OnlyFans and having her do whatever her, her show is.

• 1:12:14Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:12:15Speaker 02

  Which is already so sad. It's sad for both parties because these girls are, are being told, I'm being empowered and I'm, you know, there's nothing wrong with sex work and yada, yada, yada. And they might fuel that, that momentary or, you know, whatever seasonal empowerment and make a lot of money doing it. But there's an exchange of your soul in that. There's like, that's not a good exchange of what you're giving up in your soul, I, I believe. And what's about to happen is that all of those girls are gonna get replaced by dudes who are AI-ing virtual girls that look just like real girls.

• 1:12:48Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:12:49Speaker 02

  That will do literally anything that these guys want her to do. And they'll just be chilling out all of their money for these AI OnlyFans girls and, and AI pornography. I mean. I'm, I've been banging this AI drum for a minute and I, because I really do believe that most people are sleeping on it far too much.

• 1:13:07Bill Maher?

  I agree, totally. And you know who was the one who was out front on this was Elon.

• 1:13:11Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Oh, he was one of the OGs that, but again, was a part of the-

• 1:13:15Bill Maher?

  It's the first I've ever heard that theory. It's from Elon, said, "We have to be aware of, we have to be wary of AI." And he said this like 10, 12 years ago.

• 1:13:25Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:13:25Bill Maher?

  And people, other people argued.

• 1:13:29Speaker 02

  Well, he was one of-

• 1:13:30Bill Maher?

  And now, now we all know.

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  He was one of about seven of like the top 10 experts on AI, and he was definitely one of them, is still one of them, I would wager.

• 1:13:40Speaker 02

  He was one of the 10 that they basically asked, went to and said, and seven of 10 said, "We need to pause AI." This was years ago, and they said, "We need to pause it now."

• 1:13:49Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  "We cannot afford to let it go any farther."

• 1:13:52Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:13:52Speaker 02

  "Because we're getting to the point of no return where it will just catch fire and go."

• 1:13:56Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:13:56Speaker 02

  And we're basically all running toward mutually assured destruction.

• 1:13:59Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:13:59Speaker 02

  Because everyone's trying to be the first to get to AGI, make all the money, do all the thing, rule the fucking world. By the way, and ultimately whoever controls that will be controlling the world with that, which is the thing we gotta work about the most. It's not even that it's going to be sentient and turn into Terminator, although there is the possibility of that goes crazy. But more than likely, and probably, and actually not even more than likely, what will absolutely happen, even if that doesn't, is that it will start to displace entire industries worth of workforces. It will be doing things like creating AI, uh, sex bots and all of that stuff.

• 1:14:35Bill Maher?

  How soon?

• 1:14:37Bill Maher?

  Have you ever, have you ever been on OnlyFans?

• 1:14:40Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:14:40Bill Maher?

  I wouldn't even know how.

• 1:14:41Speaker 02

  It, it's, again, it's one of those things where I just kind of, it's, I just, I feel, it, it, it just like, I feel bad. I feel bad that this is where we've gotten to as a society.

• 1:14:52Bill Maher?

  I know a guy who's so hooked on it that when he's with a real woman, he can't come unless there's a sound of a baby crying in the next room.

• 1:15:02Speaker 02

  That's a weird gink.

• 1:15:05Bill Maher?

  I'm just saying that I think a lot of the girls have a baby.

• 1:15:08Speaker 02

  Oh, copy that. Copy that.

• 1:15:14Bill Maher?

  And, and a lot of the women get, they think it's gonna be lucrative and it's only lucrative for a very, very it's almost like real show business.

• 1:15:23Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, but also it, it, not just real show business, but they're, they have a new create, like every girl, the competition, no doubt, like the amount of other girls that are all getting the same idea. They're all gonna go be in, until you have an OnlyFans account, like clearly that stuff's only gonna work for a

• 1:15:40Bill Maher?

  You know what a lot of them are? Feet.

• 1:15:43Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, there's a whole website dedicated to that.

• 1:15:45Bill Maher?

  You get that?

• 1:15:47Speaker 02

  No, I don't get it. I'm just saying that's a thing that exists.

• 1:15:49Bill Maher?

  No, I know, but I'm saying like next to being in the ass, I don't want, uh, would be the feet. I find the feet not, not erotic at all. What?

• 1:15:59Bill Maher?

  But why, but so many people, so many.

• 1:16:02Speaker 02

  Listen, I don't get it. I, it's not that I don't appreciate a good foot and I, like my girlfriend, she's got beautiful feet. But I, that's not something I look at in an erotic type of way. I've never understood that.

• 1:16:10Bill Maher?

  No, I mean, the top of the foot, obviously the ankle, okay, but then you're just toes? Fuck no. And, and certainly the bottom of the foot that walks on the world every day.

• 1:16:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can wash those things.

• 1:16:23Bill Maher?

  You can wa, I know, but still, it's just not attractive for obvious.

• 1:16:28Speaker 02

  Have you ever given a girlfriend like a foot rub or anything?

• 1:16:31Bill Maher?

  Fuck no. A foot rub? Jesus, I've never been.

• 1:16:35Speaker 02

  Bro, you are missing out.

• 1:16:37Bill Maher?

  A foot rub?

• 1:16:38Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:16:39Bill Maher?

  Why?

• 1:16:39Speaker 02

  Go give your girl a foot rub.

• 1:16:41Bill Maher?

  Pass key to the pussy that I've been.

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no. Because if you're, if all you're doing is having sexual intimacy and you're not just having intimacy that doesn't require anything sexual, but rather is connectivity, it's touch, it's.

• 1:16:54Bill Maher?

  There's a billion other ways to do that besides rubbing their feet.

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  Bro, you're, but I'm telling you, your feet are incredible in that they have all these meridians and all of these pressure points and all of these things that we walk around on all the time.

• 1:17:06Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:17:06Speaker 02

  And get fucked up.

• 1:17:07Bill Maher?

  No, that's true.

• 1:17:07Speaker 02

  And if you actually have somebody go and be like, yo, and it's a really act of service between two people that are in partnership, I think. And to be like, yo, can I do this for you? Have, can I, and give them that massage? I, I think that there's something incredibly powerful about that.

• 1:17:23Bill Maher?

  I mean, I can't say that I haven't had it done to me. Um, and when I did, it was like, oh, that's cool, but it didn't change my world. It didn't cha-, you know, I didn't.

• 1:17:34Speaker 02

  One, one instance of it isn't gonna change your world.

• 1:17:37Bill Maher?

  Yeah. So you're saying like an ongoing foot rub is like.

• 1:17:41Speaker 02

  I'm just saying, like, if you're in a relationship, I mean.

• 1:17:44Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:44Speaker 02

  You know, that's, I don't think that you should be, uh, squeamish because they're feet. I understand that you have an anal type of personality that doesn't like anything, like the things you were talking about, but I think that when it comes to your feet and, and your partner's feet, they're, they're very easily cleans and you can.

• 1:18:06Bill Maher?

  There's so many other better ways that I'm already good at. I really don't feel like I need to. There's certain things.

• 1:18:12Speaker 02

  Take it for what it's worth.

• 1:18:14Bill Maher?

  People have bucket lists. There's also the list of things that I never did and never wanna do.

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:18:20Bill Maher?

  And like skiing is on that.

• 1:18:22Speaker 02

  Oh, man, skiing's fantastic.

• 1:18:23Bill Maher?

  Okay, great.

• 1:18:24Speaker 02

  Snowboarding in particular.

• 1:18:25Bill Maher?

  Yeah, you do you.

• 1:18:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:18:27Bill Maher?

  But like, again, I don't wanna ski, uh, and I don't wanna like rub feet.

• 1:18:31Speaker 02

  What do you do? What, what are, what are your hobbies?

• 1:18:35Speaker 02

  Other than, you know, constantly making television shows, but like, what? Stand-up comedy is your job hobby? I don't know. I mean, it's like, that's still, that's the worst.

• 1:18:43Bill Maher?

  I mean, I've had three jobs the last few years because of this. Not that this is really a job. This is such a joy to meet somebody like you, um, you, actually you, uh, and get high and talk to them. I can't tell you what a, what a pleasure this is in my life, but I only do this. The only time I spend on this job is right here. After this, I'm out.

• 1:19:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Well, you got a wonderful team that happens to put it all together.

• 1:19:07Bill Maher?

  Team, and this is all I wanna do. It's the opposite of my show, which I work on all week. Uh, that takes a lot of time. And then stand-up, of course, you're on the road. Not, I haven't been on the road that much, but you know, every couple of weeks I go out for the weekend. I mean, it's a, so.

• 1:19:22Speaker 02

  So what's your hobby?

• 1:19:23Bill Maher?

  That's, that is my hobby. You know, I don't really want hobbies. I play basketball. I have a court here.

• 1:19:29Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 1:19:29Bill Maher?

  That's my.

• 1:19:30Speaker 02

  How often do you play basketball?

• 1:19:31Bill Maher?

  Well, I mean, like a game. Not that often, but I go out and shoot myself.

• 1:19:34Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 1:19:35Bill Maher?

  You know, but I, you know, have people come over and we shoot sometimes.

• 1:19:38Speaker 02

  You've been playing ball your whole life?

• 1:19:39Bill Maher?

  Oh, I love, love basketball because it's not like, you know, you need a field, like you don't need.

• 1:19:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, no.

• 1:19:46Bill Maher?

  Eleven people on both sides. You can just end, again, if there's.

• 1:19:49Speaker 02

  You can practice by yourself, yeah, all the time.

• 1:19:51Bill Maher?

  It's just, you know, it's just the endless.

• 1:19:53Speaker 02

  One piece of equipment.

• 1:19:54Bill Maher?

  People like likes on their phone. To me, when the ball goes through the hoop, like.

• 1:19:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:00Bill Maher?

  I get a like.

• 1:20:00Speaker 02

  Well, listen, it's the same thing. It's a dopamine hit.

• 1:20:02Bill Maher?

  It's a dopamine.

• 1:20:03Speaker 02

  That's what you get.

• 1:20:03Bill Maher?

  And it never stops.

• 1:20:05Speaker 02

  Well, as long as you're making the shots.

• 1:20:07Bill Maher?

  No, I'm saying, but like every time it goes in, you know.

• 1:20:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:11Bill Maher?

  It's almost like sex and it's one of the few things that never disappoints.

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  Sure. Wait, so where did you grow up again?

• 1:20:17Bill Maher?

  New Jersey.

• 1:20:18Speaker 02

  In Jersey. So who's your NBA team?

• 1:20:21Bill Maher?

  Knicks, still is.

• 1:20:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:20:23Bill Maher?

  And they're finally good again. They haven't won since I was in high school.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  What's their record?

• 1:20:27Bill Maher?

  And I never left them. But now the Knicks are good. They are really good.

• 1:20:34Speaker 02

  What's their record right now?

• 1:20:35Bill Maher?

  They're eleven and seven. But, you know, they have a, they have a new, they have Karl Anthony Towns now. They're integrating a new.

• 1:20:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:41Bill Maher?

  A whole scheme. They lost two key players, got this one superstar. Um, it's happening. They beat them Nuggets the other night.

• 1:20:49Speaker 02

  Beat them Nuggets?

• 1:20:50Bill Maher?

  Yeah, they beat the Nuggets and Jokic. I mean, I just saw, I was just.

• 1:20:54Speaker 02

  I mean, that's a big, that's a big beat.

• 1:20:55Bill Maher?

  I was at the Laker game the other night and the Nuggets killed the Lakers. Uh, and then like the next night, the Knicks killed the Nuggets. So, uh, I'm good with the Knicks.

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  That feels good.

• 1:21:06Bill Maher?

  And it feels good to have stuck with them and never wavered all these years.

• 1:21:11Speaker 02

  You and.

• 1:21:12Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:12Speaker 02

  Spike Lee.

• 1:21:13Bill Maher?

  Oh, so you can only have done that with women.

• 1:21:17Bill Maher?

  But it sounds like you are about to, uh, make a big change in your life. Is that because you want children?

• 1:21:23Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:21:24Bill Maher?

  No, you do.

• 1:21:24Speaker 02

  Always did, always wanted, yeah.

• 1:21:26Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:21:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, ever since I was a kid, I wanted to be a dad. It's like something that's been in my DNA my whole life.

• 1:21:31Bill Maher?

  Well, that's another thing you should play. You should play the hot dad in the movie, especially where there's like a, so I love movies where there's like the, it's like, you know, just the typical. Life that we all live, the contemporary life, but there's some sort of evil lurking like the babysitter. Who's got, you know, ideas on the father or one, you know, one of those, the, the, the stepfather, remember that series? That was so good.

• 1:21:56Speaker 02

  No, what?

• 1:21:56Bill Maher?

  You never saw The Stepfather?

• 1:21:58Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:21:58Bill Maher?

  Well, they made it twice. They remade it.

• 1:22:01Speaker 02

  Did you ever see The Crush back in the day with Carrie Elwes and Alicia Silverstone?

• 1:22:05Bill Maher?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:05Speaker 02

  That was like the happy couple, but then Alicia Silverstone, the sitter got the crush.

• 1:22:10Bill Maher?

  The swimmer or something and, you know, it's like that person in the house who's really the bad guy is, it's a delicious kind of.

• 1:22:17Speaker 02

  Well, I did a movie a few years ago. There's actually just coming out in February. Thank God. They kind of got shelved for a little while because of COVID, but.

• 1:22:25Bill Maher?

  COVID because your position on COVID or actual COVID?

• 1:22:29Speaker 02

  No, because we shot the movie during COVID, but like early on in COVID, like November of 2020. And then it was supposed to come out like a year and a half later, but because theaters, like people still hadn't really come back to theaters a lot. And it's kind of a smaller family movie.

• 1:22:45Speaker 02

  Where I play a dad and all of this stuff. Um, it's called The Unbreakable Boy. It's a really beautiful movie. It's, it, it's not the thriller with the, uh, stepfather or the, um, the, the, you know, the sitter with the crush. Yeah, it's like a, a dramedy. Yeah. It's a true story about this young, this couple. They, they started dating like on their third date. They got pregnant and they were like, what do you want to do? And they're like, well, let's, let's do this. Let's, let's, let's have this baby. Let's see what we figure out, you know? And they didn't get married right away. They just stayed as a couple and they had this child. And, uh, early on, the kid was crying a lot always. And they were like, what's going on? And then, um, uh, you know, two years old or whatever, they're, they're running around and they break their leg and they're like, what's going on?

• 1:23:27Speaker 02

  So they go get the kid tested and he has osteogenesis imperfecta, which is brittle bones disease. And he inherited part of this from his, or from, from his mother. So then we're like, okay, and it's a true story, this real couple. And then, and then they have a second son and now they're, and that kid, no brittle bones. He's cool. And then they get a little older and their oldest son starts behaving in ways that are, you know, not normal, that are atypical. And they go and have him tested and he ends up having autism. And so it's a story about this couple who are still trying to figure out if they're even gonna work and their own kind of demons and things they're struggling with. While they're trying to raise these two kids, the oldest of which was really the star of

• 1:24:05Speaker 02

  the movie, Jacob, he plays Austin, who is this, the most beautiful, accurate portrayal of, I think of, you know, a child in the autistic spectrum and the beautiful heart and mind of all of that. And so-

• 1:24:20Bill Maher?

  Wait, brittle bones is in the autistic spectrum?

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  No, brittle bones is a separate thing.

• 1:24:25Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:24:25Speaker 02

  He just, he also, Austin is also autistic.

• 1:24:29Bill Maher?

  Autistic with brittle bones?

• 1:24:31Speaker 02

  With brittle bones.

• 1:24:32Bill Maher?

  Yeah?

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:33Bill Maher?

  What'd this kid do to God?

• 1:24:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:35Bill Maher?

  I'm gonna release you back into the wild, cuz I've kept you here for long enough.

• 1:24:41Speaker 02

  Oh, no, but listen, man, I-

• 1:24:42Bill Maher?

  I could too.

• 1:24:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:43Bill Maher?

  You're a pleasure.

• 1:24:44Speaker 02

  You're thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyable conversation.

• 1:24:46Bill Maher?

  We'll do it again, I hope.

• 1:24:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:48Bill Maher?

  Um, and like, the more friends I have who are Trumpers, the better. But, okay.

• 1:24:55Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:24:56Bill Maher?

  I could do it all night, so I'm just gonna cut it off.

• 1:24:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. Dude, thanks, man.

• 1:25:02Bill Maher?

  You too.

• 1:25:03Speaker 02

  Really enjoyed it.

• 1:25:03Bill Maher?

  I had such a good time.

• 1:25:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:05Bill Maher?

  All right.

• 1:25:09Bill Maher?

  I could be a superhero's, like, helper, like Robin. What do you think?

• 1:25:16Speaker 02

  Absolutely. Absolutely.

• 1:25:19Bill Maher?

  You know-

• 1:25:19Speaker 02

  You're gonna have to work on the super suit. I mean, that's, that's number one.