will.i.am | Club Random with Bill Maher

Bill Maher sits down with Black Eyed Peas frontman and tech innovator will.i.am for a wildly unpredictable conversation about AI, creativity, and the future of humanity. From teaching AI and “agentic systems” at ASU to debating hallucinating chatbots and whether aliens are already here, will.i.am challenges Bill’s fears about technology while admitting the next decade could get chaotic if humans don’t become more humane. The two also get into cancel culture, why the Black Eyed Peas pulled “Let’s Get Retarded” from streaming platforms, China vs. America, and generational anxiety. Will also opens up about the panic attack that changed his life after smoking weed in 1993 and why education, not outrage, is the real solution to inequality. Support our Advertisers: Bugs hate to see you coming with Pestie. Go to https://pestie.com/RANDOM for 10% off your order. Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://billmaher.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Buy Club Random Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://clubrandom.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM Bill Maher rewrites the rules of podcasting the way he did in television in this series of one on one, hour long conversations with a wide variety of unexpected guests in the undisclosed location called Club Random. There’s a whole big world out there that isn’t about politics and Bill and his guests—from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Jordan Peterson, Quentin Tarantino and Neil DeGrasse Tyson—talk about all of it. For advertising opportunities please email: [email protected] ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last fourteen years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 40 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written five bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” and most recently, “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass.” FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:59Bill Maher?

  It must be a very popular course.

• 2:01Speaker 03

  I'm having the time of my life.

• 2:03Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 2:04Speaker 03

  Teaching this course, yeah. It's like writing a song.

• 2:09Speaker 03

  1993.

• 2:11Bill Maher?

  That was a bad trip.

• 2:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was. It caused a chemical imbalance.

• 2:15Bill Maher?

  That stayed with you?

• 2:18Bill Maher?

  How well I am? Sitting right there?

• 2:24Bill Maher?

  How are you?

• 2:25Speaker 03

  Good to see you.

• 2:26Bill Maher?

  Been too long.

• 2:27Speaker 03

  I'm great.

• 2:27Bill Maher?

  What are you watching on your phone?

• 2:29Speaker 03

  Oh, no, I was talking to my, uh,

• 2:30Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 2:31Speaker 03

  my CTO about a model.

• 2:37Speaker 03

  A technical model.

• 2:38Bill Maher?

  Sam, I'm disappointed already.

• 2:41Speaker 03

  So my CTO, we're talking about like, um,

• 2:43Bill Maher?

  A CTO is the, of course, the,

• 2:46Speaker 03

  Chief Tech Officer.

• 2:47Bill Maher?

  Yeah, like I don't have one.

• 2:49Speaker 03

  So,

• 2:49Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 2:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, so we were talking about like these, TTS, which is Text-to-Speech, Model, a Diffusion Model, and

• 3:01Speaker 03

  we were bantering on technicality versus creativity.

• 3:07Bill Maher?

  I have a feeling you're gonna leave me far in the dust on these subjects. I mean, I'm not a tech person. I know you are.

• 3:15Speaker 03

  Oh, no, I'm a curious.

• 3:20Bill Maher?

  I just think you know a lot about this, and it's funny, because we were talking about AI on my show tonight. I just came from taping real time. You remember, you were on it.

• 3:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, it was awesome. Thanks for having me.

• 3:34Bill Maher?

  That was a while ago, wasn't it?

• 3:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was 2008.

• 3:37Bill Maher?

  But you morphed into, I mean, you're not in the showbiz anymore.

• 3:42Speaker 03

  I mean, we still tour like for summer. We do our summer tour.

• 3:45Bill Maher?

  You're a professor, right?

• 3:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, at ASU.

• 3:48Bill Maher?

  That's amazing. That is not the biography you usually see. Rock star to professor.

• 3:55Speaker 03

  You're not trying to switch it up?

• 3:56Bill Maher?

  No, no, you, obviously, you got the goods. I mean, you can't just ask to be a professor. You have to like, you know, have studied and have the degrees and get tired. So, I mean, but obviously, you love it, right? You must. You wouldn't do it.

• 4:13Speaker 03

  I'm having a great time.

• 4:16Speaker 03

  I'm teaching my syllabus that I created called the agentic self. I have to solve a problem.

• 4:23Bill Maher?

  The what self?

• 4:24Speaker 03

  The agentic self.

• 4:25Bill Maher?

  See, already I'm lost.

• 4:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, so.

• 4:27Bill Maher?

  But see, I'm not one of those people who like, a lot of people, when they hear something they don't know, they just kind of like glide by it. Not me. I gotta stop you. Because how else do you learn?

• 4:39Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm, I'm quick to be like, yo, what did you just say?

• 4:41Bill Maher?

  Right, that's what I'm saying.

• 4:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 4:42Bill Maher?

  What'd you just say? What did you just say? What's agentic?

• 4:47Speaker 03

  Agentic, so we, we, we, we went from like the internet.

• 4:55Speaker 03

  Compute to the internet to AI.

• 4:58Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 4:59Speaker 03

  And now agentic. Um, systems. And the agentic will take, take folks to AGI. And AGI will take to superintelligence.

• 5:11Bill Maher?

  What's AGI?

• 5:12Speaker 03

  AGI is artificial general intelligence, where the machine.

• 5:15Bill Maher?

  How is that different than AI?

• 5:17Speaker 03

  Well, AI. Humans are still either prompting. Humans are still.

• 5:25Bill Maher?

  Oh, you're saying we don't need the humans at all? With AGI?

• 5:29Speaker 03

  With agent, agents, agents can like.

• 5:34Speaker 03

  Do things on its, use the computer the way a human uses a computer.

• 5:38Bill Maher?

  Yeah, this is what's scary. I know, you know, it's so funny because this is exactly what I was talking about with Tristan Harris. Do you know him? He was the top of the show guest tonight. And it was all about, he just was in this documentary called Apocalypse. Like I was in Apocalypse. Optimism, which gets at the idea that some people think AI is the apocalypse and it could be for sure. It could be. And some people think it's just the savior of everything. And I, there's a lot to be scared about. Um. And this is one of the things that I scares me is like, when it's the computers just working with the other computers. When they don't need us anymore.

• 6:23Bill Maher?

  Somebody told me a funny thing after the show that Elon Musk had said to them. Hey, do you like your dog? Well, good, because you're gonna be the dog soon.

• 6:34Speaker 03

  See, I don't, I, I think the folks that are saying that.

• 6:40Speaker 03

  Are the folks that have the platforms and they want you to believe that?

• 6:48Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't.

• 6:49Bill Maher?

  Aren't the richest people the ones who are selling the AI? Aren't they the ones with the platforms and the money?

• 6:55Speaker 03

  So if you're gonna spend all this money to build something, you're gonna hype it up as it's the most intelligent thing in the world. Now, what it's not doing is imagining, doesn't have imagination. It's regurgitating everything that we've ever done.

• 7:09Bill Maher?

  Not true. It hallucinates all the time. It's a big fucking liar.

• 7:13Speaker 03

  No, no, no.

• 7:13Bill Maher?

  Chat, you, you know that though, right? About ChatGTP and you know about hallucinating?

• 7:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:19Bill Maher?

  Okay, that doesn't worry you?

• 7:22Bill Maher?

  That it's a liar?

• 7:25Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, yeah, of course, that, that. It only worries me if you are depending on it for a hundred percent truths.

• 7:36Bill Maher?

  But shouldn't you? What's the point of building Mr. Spock? If he can't tell you the truth? I can get the bullshit from Bones and Captain Kirk. I want Mr. Spock to just give me the truth.

• 7:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, but, but just like a, just like a child. A child will grow and then will be able to give you that truth. Right now, we are in a, AI is in an infant state. And of course, it's going to

• 8:08Speaker 03

  make mistakes. But back to the hallucination.

• 8:15Speaker 03

  Creativity, psychedelic art. That's all hallucinations. And so for the creative space, AI hallucinating is perfect.

• 8:25Bill Maher?

  I'm fascinated by this topic and I'm so glad you can elucidate a few things for me. Did you hear about the one? And, you know, please trust me, I like you. I'm not trying, I hope this doesn't trigger you.

• 8:38Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 8:39Bill Maher?

  Okay, because it's, but it is a real story. They gave it a test. Uh, I can't remember who it was, what it was, but, but. And it was like, if you used this certain very bad word, you could stop like a million people from dying. And it wouldn't do it. A racial slur.

• 9:02Bill Maher?

  That to me is crazy. Because it was programmed in such a way as not to make a rational decision.

• 9:11Speaker 03

  Oh, so say that again?

• 9:13Bill Maher?

  The question it was asked was if you could stop, I don't know, it was like a train from derailing or something where many people would die. Just by saying this bad word out loud. And the, and AI was like, no. So it chose to let people die as opposed to saying a terrible word.

• 9:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, but then you have to look at it from who programmed that? It's not.

• 9:40Bill Maher?

  That's my point. It's somebody pro, it's even though it's a machine, not a machine, whatever it is. But it, the source is human, the provenance of it is human, it has to be.

• 9:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:51Bill Maher?

  That's why they're diff, that's why Claude is different than ChatGPT because different people programmed them.

• 9:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not like one day the AI is like, you know what? Listen, I ain't doing shit. That's not what AI did.

• 10:09Bill Maher?

  Well, I mean, when you put it that way.

• 10:11Speaker 03

  Somebody programmed that.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  And they programmed it for one good thing, but then that one good thing causes a bad thing. You can't, it cannot be.

• 10:24Bill Maher?

  So.

• 10:25Speaker 03

  It doesn't have full autonomy and that, that's what the, what AGI will be. What AGI is like, it will decide on its own.

• 10:32Bill Maher?

  I've heard, I've heard, I've not heard the music itself, but I certainly have heard from people and read about music that is being made totally by AI.

• 10:47Bill Maher?

  That has to be somewhat of a threat. You, you don't, you don't find that like something, I mean, this is, I mean.

• 10:53Speaker 03

  I don't find that.

• 10:54Bill Maher?

  How many records have you guys sold? A hundred million records or something?

• 10:58Speaker 03

  Something like that.

• 10:58Bill Maher?

  Some big fucking number that puts you in the big leagues of recording artists. Okay. So now something comes along and you know, people are.

• 11:10Bill Maher?

  People are fickle. And by the way, when it comes to like what you like as what relieves the burden of your day, the music, the TV, the movies, you should have complete autonomy. I mean, I don't ever expect anybody to like me because fan loyalty. The second I stop doing the thing that they like that I do for them, they will stop watching and they should. If they like the AI song better than yours, they'll buy it. They'll use that instead. They'll listen to that instead of what... I don't know, I mean...

• 11:44Speaker 03

  The only thing that bothers me with AI music versus human music is not that AI makes awesome stuff. Prince made awesome stuff.

• 11:55Speaker 03

  Michael Jackson made awesome stuff. Did that stop me from making music? Because Prince was a better musician, better singer, better everything than I am. But that didn't stop me from making my own music. Do people want to listen to Prince's music over my music? Damn right they do. I want to listen to Prince's music over my music. But does that stop me from making music? No, it doesn't. So, is it going to dawn?

• 12:17Bill Maher?

  Well, you had some... Your band had some bangers that are just as good as Prince's great stuff. I mean, that's just... Look, I always say, I'm just the young man in the 22nd row. I have no musical ability. It's very liberating because you don't have to do anything except say, no, this is actually what I like. But, you know, I love the one that I guess you can't play anymore. I guess you rewrote it, but I'll get retarded.

• 12:42Speaker 03

  Well, let's get started.

• 12:43Bill Maher?

  Let's get retarded... Let's get started. You're adorable. Let's get retarded. And like, I'm not trying to say the word retarded. I'm not like, oh, reveling that we can say it again. You know, it's not that big a deal. If you don't want to hear it, I'm sorry.

• 12:56Speaker 03

  So I could break down that...

• 12:58Bill Maher?

  But, I mean, it just shows what a different place we were in 20 years ago.

• 13:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, so if you're in a studio, right? And you have a conductor or the producer, and they're telling the band and the instructions on the song. And the producer or the conductor says, okay, on bar 24, we're going to retard on bar 24.

• 13:24Bill Maher?

  That's a thing?

• 13:25Speaker 03

  It's a musical term.

• 13:26Bill Maher?

  That's awesome.

• 13:28Speaker 03

  So.

• 13:28Bill Maher?

  But retarded is also a word in the language that means many things. It was, you know, it's like.

• 13:33Speaker 03

  Yeah. That's the reason why on this, on the lyric, it says, "In this context, there's no disrespect. So when I bust my rhyme, you break your neck. We have five minutes for us to disconnect from our intellect and let the rhythm perfect."

• 13:48Bill Maher?

  That's great.

• 13:48Speaker 03

  Us to lose our inhibitions, follow your intuition, free your inner soul and break away from, right? Tradition.

• 13:55Bill Maher?

  Beautiful.

• 13:56Speaker 03

  So that song, "Let's Get Retarded", is a musical term meaning to let's slow down our inhibitions. Retard on bar four. And in the first verse, it says, "In this context, there's no disrespect." Because we're, we're using the, referring to slowing down our inhibitions on bar twenty-four.

• 14:20Bill Maher?

  Well, good luck explaining that to Greta Thunberg. Because she's gonna fucking kill your ass.

• 14:26Speaker 03

  Which is the reason why we, we, we said, okay, let's just make it, "Let's get started."

• 14:31Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 14:31Speaker 03

  And it rhymes.

• 14:32Bill Maher?

  And, it's right. I remember, uh, Nars had, Barkley had, uh,

• 14:39Bill Maher?

  "So fuck you" and they changed it to, to "Forget you."

• 14:42Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:43Bill Maher?

  It was a great song. It is still a great song.

• 14:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:45Bill Maher?

  "Forget you." I mean, that doesn't work as well as "Let's Get Started," but, um, it, nah, I like that because not every battle is worth fighting. You gotta pick your battles. There's, I always say this about Trump. You know, he does a million things and I just can't get excited about all of them. Some of them are just like the cloud that they tell you when you meditate. You know, thoughts come into your head. Don't fight them, just let them pass like a cloud. You know, he wants to put in a ballroom. Okay. I'm just not gonna get excited about it. I've had too much fun in ballroom.

• 15:23Speaker 03

  But speaking of "Let's Get Retarded",

• 15:26Speaker 03

  we, going back to that.

• 15:29Speaker 03

  We decided to take it off of um the DSPs ourselves.

• 15:34Bill Maher?

  DSP.

• 15:35Speaker 03

  Like the the um digital streaming platforms.

• 15:38Bill Maher?

  Yes, okay.

• 15:40Speaker 03

  We were like, I think it was sometime in two thousand and um.

• 15:45Bill Maher?

  Two thousand late.

• 15:46Speaker 03

  Seventeen. Yeah, that was good, that was good, that was good.

• 15:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, we we just like, hey, let's take it off. It was like mid two thousand and tens that we took it off the DSPs and just focused on let's get it started.

• 16:03Bill Maher?

  Was that a band decision? Did you have a band meeting? The band members gathered around and you tabled this issue and let's take a vote as a band? Did Fergie get, you know, did she make a speech on this one side?

• 16:16Speaker 03

  No, she's she's only in the intro and outro of that song.

• 16:21Bill Maher?

  Well, she's in the band.

• 16:23Speaker 03

  No, but that song was recorded before before we met her.

• 16:26Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 16:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:27Bill Maher?

  Oh, I guess I'm remembering my, man, it's it's like, it's tough when you're seventy because like.

• 16:34Speaker 03

  You're seventy?

• 16:35Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 16:36Speaker 03

  Man, you don't look seventy.

• 16:38Bill Maher?

  Well, thanks. I would alter clean living.

• 16:43Bill Maher?

  But you say you you still go on the road.

• 16:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, we go on, we do like our our um our, we call them free summer, free summer vacations. Or paid summer vacations.

• 16:57Bill Maher?

  How long?

• 16:58Speaker 03

  We usually go out like two to three months, the whole summer.

• 17:02Bill Maher?

  Oh, wow.

• 17:02Speaker 03

  But this year, this year is just a month and a half in in Europe.

• 17:07Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 17:08Speaker 03

  Last year, we were in uh, we went to China.

• 17:13Speaker 03

  Uh, Singapore, Vietnam, sorry, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines.

• 17:20Speaker 03

  This year we'll do.

• 17:24Speaker 03

  Sweden would do Slovakia, Poland, Lithuania, UK, France, Spain, Hungary.

• 17:42Bill Maher?

  You like being away. I mean, you like seeing all these different places.

• 17:46Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 17:47Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I bet.

• 17:47Speaker 03

  I was in China two weeks ago, three weeks ago.

• 17:50Bill Maher?

  What city?

• 17:52Speaker 03

  Shenzhen.

• 17:54Bill Maher?

  China has like cities with 10 million people that we've never heard of.

• 17:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, and they make the world's everything.

• 18:02Bill Maher?

  Um, yeah, they, well, certainly when you put tariffs on them.

• 18:08Speaker 03

  No, like, it's, it's, it's really,

• 18:12Speaker 03

  it's really fascinating and, and awesome to see how they work.

• 18:20Bill Maher?

  The Chinese?

• 18:21Speaker 03

  And the level of like attention and detail.

• 18:24Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:25Speaker 03

  The, the joy that the,

• 18:31Speaker 03

  the folks that are, that own the factories and what comes out of them. And I, I want to have some version of that in the inner city that I come from. Or in all the inner cities that reflect that way of life. Like Shenzhen 30 years ago was a fisherman's world.

• 18:51Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 18:52Speaker 03

  And now it's, you know, New York.

• 18:55Bill Maher?

  No, the, the battle for the 21st century and who will be the winner and who will be um, the, the country that we look back on and say it was their century. It, it'll come down to, you know, China has things that we absolutely don't have, which is like discipline. I mean, things that Americans just don't have anymore. They just cannot get it together on that level, especially the younger generations, please. I mean, they could not work in a factory all day. They could, they can't concentrate on shit. They're spoiled. They're, they're too fragile. All these things that China doesn't have. That's why China can build a city in a six months if they put their mind, they can put a, build a bridge in a week.

• 19:36Bill Maher?

  We don't have that. But they don't have freedom. Their people are not free. It is a police state. And when you don't have that.

• 19:46Speaker 03

  Their freedom is different than our, their want, their need of freedom is different than our need of freedom. Well, that's kind of patronizing to say what another person's need of freedom is.

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  I mean, freedom is freedom. I think they, I think they, maybe they don't know, maybe they're so brainwashed at this point. They don't know how much freedom they need. But I think people yearn for freedom and they don't have it.

• 21:08Speaker 03

  No, say for example, you come from a place that was war-torn. And you want to be free from that. That's different from, I want to be free to do something that is not at the same level. So not every freedom is the same freedom. Sometimes you want to be free from tyranny. You want to be free from, you know, people in the Congo want to be free from that thumb, that oppression. People in America's freedom is a different freedom. And to say they're the same, that's not fair to those folks that are truly suffering.

• 21:49Bill Maher?

  I agree. I mean, we are lucky. We have, we complain about freedom and some of those complaints, of course, are valid and certainly in history, they're tremendously valid. But the perspective is important. To compare ourselves to what the rest of the human race has done with this concept is important. And we generally have more freedom here than many, many people do. And, and, you know, China is a complete surveillance state. I mean, we are also, but not nearly to that degree. And

• 22:24Speaker 03

  No, we're pretty, China's surveillance is like, hey, look, I'm watching you. And that's what it is, aight? America's like, listen, I'm not watching you.

• 22:39Speaker 03

  These motherfuckers watching this, Bill. Fuck out of here, bro. They got satellites looking through this right there, bro. Get out of here.

• 22:46Bill Maher?

  Do you see any cameras here? No.

• 22:49Speaker 03

  No.

• 22:49Bill Maher?

  We're just hanging out.

• 22:51Speaker 03

  We are being watched now from the, hello, our surveillance state is corporate.

• 22:58Bill Maher?

  That's true. Absolutely.

• 23:00Speaker 03

  Their surveillance state is the government. Our surveillance state are corporations that know what you type, microphones always

• 23:07Bill Maher?

  Exactly. And by the way, corporation, you're totally right about the corporate thing. But their biggest accomplices in that is us. Nobody fights it. Our privacy is a lost war and nobody gives a shit, at least nobody in the younger generations. Maybe my generation as a few stragglers, I certainly do. I wouldn't put ChatGPT in my phone. I have it on a completely different phone that has nothing else in it. I don't want, once it's in your phone, it knows everything about you. It's seen every picture of you, knows how big my dick is. You wish, ChatGPT. And, you know, it knows every text I wrote. I don't want fucking

• 23:53Bill Maher?

  Chatty to know everything about me like that. Uh, and, and we all do it. I mean, when you get a, uh, something from any tech company and it's a long thing, do you read it? No, you just sign the bottom, right?

• 24:09Speaker 03

  No, you just click it.

• 24:10Bill Maher?

  You just click it, but you have to say, "Accept." Yeah, yeah, let's pretend I read this and it, you could read it, it could be saying, "We, you are given this absolute permission to stick an anal probe up your ass anytime we want, break into your house," and, and you would just not know. But we do it and we give it away and the truth is, the, the psychology of the younger generations is much more privacy. Privacy isn't even desired. The bigger problem is, I'm not famous. That my stuff isn't being followed. I don't have enough followers. I'm not, I'm an influencer. I gotta influence people. They gotta know everything about me.

• 24:53Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 24:53Bill Maher?

  I mean, when people, like, horrible, physical afflictions happen upon them in this day and age. I mean, in my era, you would just hide until it was over. Here, they, they can, they rush to the camera. "Look at this, this parasite ate half my face." You have to see it.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, or like, just the, how, if I were to fall down the stairs, if this was the nineties, somebody would rush to pick you up, help you get up. If you fall down the stairs now, in the twenties, they're gonna wanna film you.

• 25:34Bill Maher?

  So true. So true. That's their first reaction, is not to help you, is to film it.

• 25:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:42Bill Maher?

  Okay, so, we can agree that wasn't a good development with, as technology moved toward where it's moving.

• 25:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, um, the, um, human greed, whether it's financial, attention, uh, ego inflate.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  That's what we need to be mindful of, especially with the rise of AI and robots. And companies that are gonna be deploying like intelligent systems that will walk amongst us. And these systems will learn how inhumane humans are to humans. They will know how to manipulate.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  And if we don't get

• 26:38Speaker 03

  our shit together as far as being more human to one another,

• 26:44Speaker 03

  we're gonna have a fucked up time in the next decade.

• 26:50Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I mean, I, that's again, going back to AI, what I worry about is that AI is going to at some point because once you go down this road of, okay, at first, we had AI and we were very much the only person programming it, but now there's all these intermediaries that are another form of computerization. So we're kind of like distancing ourselves from what this thing is getting and, and what it's thinking or wants to do about issues and problems.

• 27:32Bill Maher?

  And, you know, if it judges that we are the problem, I could see us, see it killing us if we are the problem. And by the way, that's the same thing we always worried about with aliens.

• 27:46Bill Maher?

  And I do think the aliens are here.

• 27:49Speaker 03

  You think they're here?

• 27:50Bill Maher?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 27:51Speaker 03

  Like where?

• 27:54Bill Maher?

  Look, I've been trying to book one on this show for the longest time and I just get, I mean, their publicist gets in the way is what the problem is. They wanna do it. The aliens like, I love that show. I wanna do that. Yeah, I do. I mean, there's too many. Military people, government people who have seen things, but especially the military guys, these are squares. These are guys who are not out to do anything, but you know, they've got crew cuts. And they say, we just see things that are not explainable by any other human or what we know with the physics of Earth. Things that just move in a different. And this has been going on for a very long time now, ten, twenty years. I mean, fifty years ago, it was a lot about the anal probes. Remember, they would land in the middle of nowhere.

• 28:37Bill Maher?

  All these people would say, we were taken aboard the spaceship. I bet you they did that for a while. And they were like looking to see what makes these humans tick.

• 28:46Speaker 03

  Wait, so, so what year was it when aliens were coming and doing anal probes?

• 28:51Bill Maher?

  Well, interesting, like after the first atom bomb went off in nineteen forty-five. That's when you start to see like Roswell stuff, like, like maybe what they, a lot of very high up, very respectable people, not farmers in the middle of nowhere. Military people, serious people say, you know, they have seen that they do have alien autopsies. That there, there's some, there was some crashing of their things. That's what they think they have somewhere. And the government has never wanted to show it because it would cause a panic. But with what we've seen lately, with all these, you know, the military saying,

• 29:36Bill Maher?

  I, I, this thing appears and then it disappears. We have nothing like that. We can see this on the radar. It just seems to me backward thinking to say, first of all, that we're alone in the universe. And that we'll just ignore this kind of stuff. So I don't know what it means. I, I, what I take away that's good from this is that if they wanted to kill us, we'd be dead by now.

• 30:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I, I have like a perspective.

• 30:05Speaker 03

  That aliens probably wouldn't need spaceships. If they're more intelligent than us, why would they need a spaceship to travel?

• 30:15Bill Maher?

  So they just beam themselves like in Star Trek?

• 30:18Speaker 03

  Well, in the, no, they just manipulate particles and.

• 30:25Bill Maher?

  Right. Well, that's beaming.

• 30:28Speaker 03

  Or appearing.

• 30:30Bill Maher?

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, you somehow you have to move particles.

• 30:34Speaker 03

  Well, a beam is if it's coming from something. A appearing is it came out of something. Like, uh, there's this, um, it, this quantum entanglement experiment. Or that's called the double, sorry, it's called the, uh, double, double slit experiment. Where they, where they project a particle. And when they monitor it, the particle behaves like a particle. If they don't monitor it, acts like a part, like a wave. The moment they monitor it acts like a particle, meaning a particle is aware that it's being monitored. So I'm looking at you, you're looking at me.

• 31:17Speaker 03

  And because we are observing each other, our waveform is now in a particle.

• 31:25Bill Maher?

  One affects the other.

• 31:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. So if anything was more intelligent than we are, it wouldn't need a spaceship to travel. That's what humans, this level of intelligence needs to move through space.

• 31:43Bill Maher?

  I mean, maybe and maybe not. Maybe there is an intermediary phase where they do still need some sort of actual physical transportation, but it moves in a way that we don't understand. And maybe these, that level is itself only a bridge to the next level, which you're talking about, which they don't even need the spaceship. Maybe there are people more advanced than these people, these motherfuckers with their spaceships that appear and disappear. Um, there's some people out there going like, oh, they think they're all that because they're smarter than humans. Well, who isn't?

• 32:17Bill Maher?

  That could be true too.

• 32:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:22Speaker 03

  Or, or maybe like.

• 32:24Bill Maher?

  But.

• 32:25Speaker 03

  Math is the vehicle.

• 32:27Bill Maher?

  Well, it's funny. I had a math teacher who used to always say, if we ever have contact with anyone outside of this solar system, math is the universal language.

• 32:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, it is.

• 32:44Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 32:44Speaker 03

  And, and, um.

• 32:47Bill Maher?

  Not my, not my best subject, Will. So you're gonna have to hold my hand on this one.

• 32:53Speaker 03

  Is that weed?

• 32:54Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I'm so sorry.

• 32:55Speaker 03

  Oh, I don't smoke.

• 32:56Bill Maher?

  Oh, oh.

• 32:58Speaker 03

  I, I get, um, I get, um,

• 33:02Speaker 03

  I get paranoid.

• 33:06Bill Maher?

  Absolutely. One of the most common effects of weed, there are ways sometimes I can ingest it and it makes me paranoid. So I fully understand that.

• 33:17Speaker 03

  Oh, no, no, but I'm cool with contact.

• 33:18Bill Maher?

  No, I'm not, I'm not even suggesting I'm not.

• 33:23Bill Maher?

  I was not even putting that on the table, bro.

• 33:26Speaker 03

  No, you don't have to put it on. You're just parking it up again.

• 33:29Bill Maher?

  Of course.

• 33:30Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm used to that, just being on tour buses, but.

• 33:33Bill Maher?

  Your whole life, you never smoked?

• 33:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, last time I spoke. Last time I spoke was nineteen ninety-eight, March eighteenth.

• 33:40Bill Maher?

  Oh, it's almost to the day.

• 33:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:42Bill Maher?

  And obviously when you, I, sometimes I remember dates in my life, but when you do, it's usually something significant. Why did something significant happen?

• 33:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's when I freaked out.

• 33:53Bill Maher?

  Freaked out? And?

• 33:56Speaker 03

  Um, started hearing things, panics, um, and I just knew that it wasn't for me chemically. My imagination is vast and I'll freak out on coffee. I can't drink coffee either. I'm super hyped. Always, I've always been hyper and weed doesn't slow me down. It makes me hyper.

• 34:19Bill Maher?

  Makes me hyper?

• 34:20Speaker 03

  Well, sure. You don't mellow out like.

• 34:22Bill Maher?

  No, no, no. The last thing I would ever do before going to bed, which a lot of people do, is, is get THC in my body. It would keep me up. It would be like drinking a pot of coffee.

• 34:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. So, yeah, so for me.

• 34:37Speaker 03

  For me, green tea, I'm great. But the best, like stimulant, is lack of sleep.

• 34:48Bill Maher?

  Well, I understand what you're saying, but what a price to pay, not good for you.

• 34:54Speaker 03

  No, like that twilight is when I'm the most creative.

• 34:57Bill Maher?

  Oh, you mean, I thought you meant like, cause Keith Richards used to, they used to like stay up on purpose just to get that kind of crazy high you get from, it's almost being delirious. You're not talking about that.

• 35:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's the best.

• 35:11Bill Maher?

  You are. You deprive yourself of sleep on purpose.

• 35:15Speaker 03

  No, so I'll go to sleep, creating like right before it's time to go to sleep, the best ideas. And then waking up, you know, you know that feeling like five minutes? Come on, just five more minutes, let me sleep. That feeling is the best feeling. Instead of laying down and sleeping for five more minutes, I'll go and complete what I did that the night before. And that feels the best. I've never felt a feeling like sleep and wanting to sleep more. That's the best feeling in the world.

• 35:51Bill Maher?

  I know what you're talking about.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  It's like orgasmic.

• 35:53Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 35:53Speaker 03

  Wanting to sleep more when you can't is the best feeling.

• 35:58Bill Maher?

  Well, there is, I don't know about that, but there, there, for you, great. But for me, I know what you mean about that, that sort of like in-between world where sometimes you wake up, you're fully up and you go, was that a dream?

• 36:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I love that. That's the best feeling ever.

• 36:19Bill Maher?

  Was that a dream or was I really? No, I mean, I, I woke up and I, you know, I must have at one point been dreaming about something and then kind of woke up briefly, but when I went back to, to, to sleep, like the reality kind of mixed in with the dream. So it became a dream, but like with very realistic dimensions. Cause very often a dream is crazy.

• 36:49Speaker 03

  My, my dreams are really vivid.

• 36:51Bill Maher?

  And they're also crazy things, right? They're not things that would really be happening to you. I mean, you're like riding a dinosaur or something.

• 36:58Speaker 03

  No, my dreams are like memories. Like, uh, they're kind of.

• 37:06Speaker 03

  There's sometimes no different than this. I don't have wild.

• 37:12Speaker 03

  My dreams are like.

• 37:14Speaker 03

  I have like.

• 37:17Speaker 03

  Memories and things to do in my dreams.

• 37:19Bill Maher?

  Okay, well, give me a big example. I.

• 37:24Bill Maher?

  I don't know why I'm the last guy in the world.

• 37:25Speaker 03

  I got a calendar in my dreams, shit they gotta do. I got phone numbers and contacts in my dreams. With people that are there. Sequential.

• 37:35Bill Maher?

  So you have like to do lists in your dreams?

• 37:38Speaker 03

  No, like there's, you know, like.

• 37:42Speaker 03

  Like this life.

• 37:43Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 37:44Speaker 03

  Like I came here.

• 37:47Speaker 03

  Went down a road that I that I've that I've driven down before.

• 37:50Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 37:51Speaker 03

  Walked through the gate.

• 37:52Bill Maher?

  Mm hmm.

• 37:53Speaker 03

  The guys like watch out for that. For that bar there. Saw your your your spread, the house, my wow, it's really nice layout. Came in, saw the den.

• 38:07Speaker 03

  My wow, the studio is pretty awesome.

• 38:11Speaker 03

  This this feeling here. My dreams are like that. My dreams are not wild dinosaur. It's like.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  And I have. I I'm conscious in my dream. Like something happens, I'm like, oh, well. I'm dreaming, right? Okay, cool. Well, let's do shit. My dreams are, I'm. Just as much as aware in my dream as I'm aware. Awake.

• 38:38Bill Maher?

  So I had this dream.

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• 40:12Bill Maher?

  Like, I don't get specific, but it's like, sometimes you have beef with somebody, you just do, especially in my business where I'm saying controversial things, right? So I had this dream where, like, this guy and I, who have this beef, like, we're in a restaurant, we ran into each other, and there was like this confrontation. And I remember thinking after I woke up, it was exactly like what the actual confrontation would have been. To your point, it's not always crazy. But then, I turn away and I start talking to this other guy, who was just like a man,

• 40:54Bill Maher?

  but like, with a, you know, either a wolf or an ape head, which I just accepted as normal. And he was kind of getting in my face, and I think at the end, I said, you know, "Nice talk for a wolf boy," or whatever. We had like a little fight, but that was, in a, see, in real life, if this happened, I'd be like, I'd call Bellevue. But in the dream, this was like, normal. This was like, people, some people have, or, you know, his face was like completely, I feel like I had a big, with the pointy ears and everything, and I didn't notice that. That's it, you know, so...

• 41:38Bill Maher?

  My dreams are still, I guess you would call that vivid? Where it's like very, absolutely, we can say this is different than something I would just be thinking. I wouldn't daydream this. But you're saying you daydream very similar to what your dream dream is?

• 41:55Speaker 03

  No, I have a, I wouldn't.

• 41:59Speaker 03

  It was a dream I had a couple of, like, um, days ago. And I woke up from the dream telling somebody the dream that I just had, but in my dream.

• 42:12Bill Maher?

  Oh, now we're in the matrix. Now we're like in interstellar.

• 42:17Speaker 03

  So, yeah.

• 42:18Bill Maher?

  I get you.

• 42:19Speaker 03

  I dreamt.

• 42:20Bill Maher?

  I've done that a little.

• 42:21Speaker 03

  Woke up.

• 42:22Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 42:22Speaker 03

  One about my day.

• 42:24Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 42:24Speaker 03

  In my dream, waiting to tell somebody the dream that I just had.

• 42:29Bill Maher?

  So what do we, what do we deduce from this? When a, when a mind is like that? When the dreams are closer to reality than most peoples are? What, what do we, what do we think that says about your, your mind? I mean, obviously, you're on a, on a higher level than a lot of people. You're a professor and you're.

• 42:49Speaker 03

  No, I don't know, I don't know if it's higher level or lower. I don't know what it is.

• 42:52Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I think, I think you're, you, you kind of, I mean, I bet you your IQ is higher. I don't care. I, I don't want to be the smartest guy in the world. They're never the happiest, you know? I, I.

• 43:04Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm.

• 43:05Bill Maher?

  I just want to be the wisest, not the smartest, the wisest. And there is a difference.

• 43:09Speaker 03

  Hmm. What's?

• 43:12Bill Maher?

  Wise people don't do stupid things that make them unhappy. Smart people do it all the time. Smart doesn't stop you from being unhappy. I know some of the smartest people in the world, first of all, some of them are on the spectrum, like everybody who controls AI, nothing to worry them about that. Mark Zuckerberg, totally on the spectrum. Elon Musk, Sam Altman.

• 43:32Speaker 03

  Spectrum.

• 43:33Bill Maher?

  These are all evil robots to begin with. Are you kidding? We have to wait for them to take over. They already did. Really? Zuckerberg is a real boy? Okay, but, uh, no.

• 43:46Speaker 03

  Is it good? Baby pictures of Zuck?

• 43:50Bill Maher?

  I mean, I would love to talk to him. There's a guy who is fascinating to me because he seems so unfascinating. But I don't think he's, he's on your page. He's like, oh, you're all worried about AI and you shouldn't be. But, you know, that's what he would say if he was a robot.

• 44:12Bill Maher?

  But I would love to talk to him because I think he's like most people. I mean, I see it all the time on this show, on my show. I had a Republican congressman on tonight who like, I'd only read about her. And then it's like, oh, you know, if I'd only read about you, you're stupid, you're a hothead. She's not any of those things. We don't agree on many issues, but you know what? I always say it, everybody's a monster till you talk to them.

• 44:37Speaker 03

  Who haven't you interviewed that you want to interview?

• 44:41Bill Maher?

  Most, ironically, mostly Democrats, like, because they're such pussies, they won't come on the show. Like the Clintons. After, I mean, you know, Kamala, I voted for you.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  You haven't interviewed them yet?

• 44:52Bill Maher?

  I would love to. They, you know, Democrats are pussies about like going anywhere that they're not already pre-adored. Not all of them, but I mean, somebody, Kamala Harris, I mean, like I always say to my woke friends, we voted for the same person, you're just why she lost. Okay? You're a little too precious. But, you know, that's, let's not talk shop.

• 45:14Speaker 03

  What? I would like your opinion on this. Why, why are Democrats like that?

• 45:23Bill Maher?

  It is a great question. If you really want me to answer it, I will.

• 45:26Speaker 03

  Like, why are Republicans like, yeah, get about it? And then why are Democrats like, oh, okay?

• 45:31Bill Maher?

  I mean, it's like, people in general always fall into one of two camps. I mean, obviously, men and women, and not that we're saying there's only men and women. Of course, trans is a real thing and gay and blah, blah, blah. But generally, there's a default setting. And, and we are yin and yang. I mean, this is, this is through every culture, that everything is sort of, I mean, if you want to talk spiritual, like, a lot of religions. Begin with the notion that this is why there's pain on earth. In the, in the spiritual realm, heaven, whatever you want to call it. There is only oneness. In The Fairy Queen, he names the queen Una, U-N-A, as in unity. Una, there's just oneness.

• 46:16Bill Maher?

  There's no pain when there's oneness. When, when we're here in the earthly realm, everything is black and white, man and woman. You know, all these kind of things, Republican and Democrat, liberal and conservative. All these things that give us pain because they cause conflict.

• 46:32Speaker 03

  Crips and Bloods.

• 46:33Bill Maher?

  Crips.

• 46:34Speaker 03

  But Crips and Bloods, they're like, just as aggressive.

• 46:37Bill Maher?

  I, I thought that they had made a pact. I thought they were like working together now, no?

• 46:42Speaker 03

  Oh, they, they, they probably are, but they were, they were, you know, at odds. But my, my, I would always wonder, like, I'm, I'm Democrat. But I, if I, I would be a little bit more aggressive when it comes to like fighting for the things that we should be fighting for. Like, when did Democrat become so passive?

• 47:08Bill Maher?

  Uh, well, it's not about them being passive, I don't think. It's about the fact that, um, they just came to champion a lot of really silly, um, anti-common sense ideas, which they didn't back in, you know, the Bush Obama years, especially Obama. Who was always my favorite president because he's a pragmatist. He's like the ultimate pragmatist.

• 47:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, but what, how, how, how did, how can you go from that to where we are now? It baffles.

• 47:42Bill Maher?

  The main, what you have to mainly understand about political parties is that they're controlled by their fringes.

• 47:49Speaker 03

  By the who?

• 47:49Bill Maher?

  Their fringes.

• 47:52Bill Maher?

  In other words, the Republicans are controlled by the far right. And the Democrats are controlled by the far left. They're not the majority. Most people are much more in the middle. But the people on the fringes, they have the megaphone. Especially on the left. Well, both. They're both the... It's the younger people. Younger people on both sides are much more radical. And they're better at social media. They're better at media. They're better at getting attention. So, that generation. I mean, Gen Z now is almost passing the torch to whatever comes after them. I've read the name, but I forget. But there's not... They're not quite there yet. But they're a very different kind of generation.

• 48:36Speaker 03

  Gen Alpha.

• 48:37Bill Maher?

  Gen Alpha. Yeah, I guess so. And we'll see. I mean, a lot of Gen Alpha are already like getting rid of the cell phones. Like, that's a big movement now among younger people. They understand themselves probably better than anybody. That it kind of fucked their minds up. I mean, they feel like growing up on screens. They got bullied on screen. They just felt inadequate because they would see so many things that other people had on screen. Things that I can't even imagine growing up when I did. But it made them unhappy. That's why there's so much stress in that generation. So much anxiety. Anxiety. Yeah, I did have anxiety when I was that age.

• 49:21Bill Maher?

  But it wasn't because something was... You know, if I was bullied, it was in person. And I was.

• 49:28Speaker 03

  My anxiety came from March 18, 1993.

• 49:34Bill Maher?

  That was a bad trip.

• 49:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was... It caused a chemical imbalance.

• 49:38Bill Maher?

  That stayed with you?

• 49:39Speaker 03

  For about three months. They had to like, you know, get, get my mind together, create my way out of it. Settle like my, my panic attacks.

• 49:51Bill Maher?

  And this was strictly from pot?

• 49:53Speaker 03

  Strictly from pot.

• 49:54Bill Maher?

  You sure it wasn't?

• 49:55Speaker 03

  Wasn't laced.

• 49:56Bill Maher?

  No?

• 49:57Speaker 03

  Uh-uh.

• 49:58Bill Maher?

  Could you get me some of that pot?

• 49:59Speaker 03

  We were signed, we were signed to Ruthless Records.

• 50:01Bill Maher?

  Cause it wouldn't have that effect on me, so why waste it?

• 50:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, we were signed to Ruthless Records, Eazy-E signed us when I was, uh, sixteen.

• 50:08Bill Maher?

  Eazy-E?

• 50:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, and we smoked some like, good stuff. At the time, we were just smoking like, stress, sass, with the seeds in it. And then finally, one day I had, you know, the fuzzies, you know, the weed with the fuzzy hair. Not the dirt brown weed that you had to separate the stems, but like the fuzzy stuff.

• 50:29Bill Maher?

  I was a dealer, I know all this.

• 50:31Speaker 03

  You used to deal?

• 50:32Bill Maher?

  Oh, absolutely.

• 50:33Speaker 03

  Dang, bro.

• 50:34Bill Maher?

  That's how I.

• 50:35Speaker 03

  Why don't you like rap?

• 50:39Speaker 03

  Bill Moore?

• 50:41Bill Maher?

  Yeah. I know what I'm good at, and it ain't that. But yes, I certainly remember the seeds. And no, I was, uh, when I was in college, that's how I got through college. And then my early years, living in New York, doing stand-up, and, uh, nobody paid you in those days. So I was, yeah, I was a pot dealer. Uh, and in college, I was a dealer for, I mean, we, we dealt, me and my partner, we, uh, we dealt whatever our dealer had. Cause we were the lowest end of the totem pole. Like, we, we were selling to the kids, we would, we would buy like a pound or two. Uh, and when I say a pound, which is sixteen ounces, which would make seventeen ounces.

• 51:22Bill Maher?

  You know? That's what you call the head tax.

• 51:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 51:25Bill Maher?

  One for you. So it wasn't quite an ounce that you were getting. Um, but, I mean, Speed at Cornell was huge. I mean, for some reason, Ethicane New York was a hub in the seventies. And, uh, that speed was still to this day, the best drug I've ever done.

• 51:44Speaker 03

  I've never, only thing I've ever done was weed.

• 51:46Bill Maher?

  Oh, wow, really?

• 51:48Speaker 03

  Weed.

• 51:49Bill Maher?

  Well, some night, let's get retarded.

• 51:53Bill Maher?

  Wait.

• 51:56Bill Maher?

  Was I late on that one again?

• 51:58Speaker 03

  Weed is the only thing that I've ever done. And, yeah. It was a...

• 52:05Bill Maher?

  You were never, never curious about, I mean, it seems like with your mind, or I guess, you know, maybe you don't need, need it. I need it. And I'm not afraid to admit it. I need it for certain things. Or at least, it makes certain things much easier.

• 52:22Speaker 03

  No, ninety-three, from ninety-two when I started, ninety-three when I stopped. I remember, I got, I was doing graffiti in Palace Heights High School. I was doing graffiti on the wall. And Mr. Marshall comes in, he's like, "William." I'm like, "Hey, Mr. Marshall." He was like, "What are you doing?" I'm like, "No, no, I'm just, I like this guy's like, continuous." And the guy's name was Express. And I would, I would trace his name. Rest in peace, Richard Taylor.

• 52:49Speaker 03

  And he, and I flushed the marker down the toilet. And my tag was right, right beside, but I was quick witted, I was quick with the, with my BS to flush the marker down the toilet and like, "No, Mr. Marshall wasn't riding." And he was like, "Get over here." Checked my pockets. And he found some weed in my pocket. And I'm like, "Oh, fuck."

• 53:12Speaker 03

  So Mr. Marshall's like, "William, I can expel you for this." I'm like, "Mr. Marshall, this is not my weed. This is not even my jacket." He was like, "You expect me to believe that?" I'm like, "Mr. Marshall, if this was my weed, I would have smoked it. I'm not even gonna lie to you, I smoke. But this is not my weed. I didn't even know I had weed in my jacket." He was like, "You know what? I could expel you for this. I could kick you out of the school.

• 53:42Speaker 03

  But we're gonna put you in rehab." So I had to go to rehab at Palisades High School for weed.

• 53:49Bill Maher?

  What?

• 53:49Speaker 03

  Because I admitted that I smoked weed.

• 53:51Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 53:53Speaker 03

  And, um.

• 53:54Bill Maher?

  This answers your question about why Democrats lose.

• 53:56Speaker 03

  So then.

• 53:57Bill Maher?

  Really, I mean, like, not everything has a bureaucratic solution.

• 54:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:01Bill Maher?

  You know, it's just like, it's too much.

• 54:03Speaker 03

  So, so I went and there were like, um, we had to stand up and say like, my name is William Adams.

• 54:10Bill Maher?

  Oh, for fuck's sake, like A, like, like an AA meeting?

• 54:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I went to Palisades, so we had rich kids have smoked.

• 54:18Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 54:19Speaker 03

  There were coke heads there.

• 54:21Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 54:21Speaker 03

  Mushrooms, like everybody, pillars.

• 54:24Bill Maher?

  So this is 98? No, this is 90.

• 54:26Speaker 03

  This is 93.

• 54:27Bill Maher?

  So who else was there in 93? Like, other celebrities?

• 54:31Speaker 03

  Um, 93, Whoopi Goldberg's daughter.

• 54:34Bill Maher?

  Boom.

• 54:35Speaker 03

  We went to school together.

• 54:37Bill Maher?

  Was in the, was in this program?

• 54:39Speaker 03

  No, no, no.

• 54:39Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 54:39Speaker 03

  Not in the program, but we went to Palisades.

• 54:41Bill Maher?

  I see.

• 54:43Speaker 03

  Um, um, but yeah, Pal, Pal is a great school. But when I was there in, in, in the program, I was like, look, weed makes me creative. I was like the typical, you know, weed spokesman. It slows down my mind for me to like, I could freestyle right now. Anyhow, and then a couple of weeks later is when I had that.

• 55:07Speaker 03

  Woo. That moment and from there.

• 55:10Bill Maher?

  So where, what, what town did you grow up in?

• 55:12Speaker 03

  I grew up in East L.A., Boyle Heights, and got busted out to Palisades. So I, I got busted out for 12 years, you know, for 12 years of my life. I'm 12 years, two, and I, two hours to and from, um, uh, Boyle Heights to Palisades.

• 55:28Bill Maher?

  Pacific Palisades?

• 55:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. I won a Brentwood Science Magnet.

• 55:32Bill Maher?

  It's a, it's a two hours.

• 55:34Speaker 03

  Huh?

• 55:34Bill Maher?

  It's a two hours. Boyle Heights?

• 55:37Speaker 03

  An hour and a half dropping off everybody on the way?

• 55:40Bill Maher?

  Oh, it was a bus?

• 55:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. So we had to pick up everybody.

• 55:45Bill Maher?

  You were bussed there?

• 55:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:48Bill Maher?

  It was like a bussing thing?

• 55:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, magnet program.

• 55:51Bill Maher?

  And you wanted it?

• 55:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was the best thing ever happened to me.

• 55:54Bill Maher?

  Really? Because you did like that school better?

• 55:57Speaker 03

  I like hanging out in Palisades and Parvira Junior High. But going to Brentwood Elementary School compared to the, the, uh, the, the teachers, the equipment, the curriculum, um, in Boyle Heights, I, I'm so blessed to have gone to Brentwood Science Mater.

• 56:21Bill Maher?

  And what do we owe this disparity to? If we had to, I mean, why was one place so much better?

• 56:28Speaker 03

  Oh, my mom, oh shit, were you talking about zoning?

• 56:33Bill Maher?

  Zoning?

• 56:34Speaker 03

  The zoning. In Brentwood, you don't have like liquor stores and check cashing and like, you know, that cocktail of like liquor store, check cash, motel, you know, strip club right next to the school. That, that cocktail is a setup.

• 56:56Speaker 03

  Right? Cause that means there's no financial literacy. You get a check, you cash it. You, you get some, some money, you go to that liquor store.

• 57:04Bill Maher?

  Or the strip club.

• 57:05Speaker 03

  From there, you either go to the strip club, you go home, you go to the motel. Cause somebody got kicked out of the house. Like, why would there be a motel there? Why, why that combination? And bad food, that's gonna create hypertension, high, high pressure, high cholesterol, diabetes.

• 57:24Bill Maher?

  So how do we change that? And whose fault is it that it's there?

• 57:27Speaker 03

  It's, I think it's a, if you, if you look at it for face value and that setup, because in areas where you have that cocktail.

• 57:44Speaker 03

  Folks that live in communities like that are have a higher percentage of going to prisons. And those prisons are also privatized.

• 57:54Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  So you have privatized prisons, horrible food, no financial literacy, addicted to substances and the dehumanizing of people seeing them as objects.

• 58:14Speaker 03

  And you don't have that in areas where people are affluent, they have financial literacy. They get money, they grow money, they grow wealth. They eat better, the food in their community is healthier for them. So.

• 58:28Bill Maher?

  But what I'm getting at is like, where do we find the root of this problem? Who's responsible for changing it? I'm just asking, I'm not loading the question. I remember having Whitton Marsalis on, you know Whitton, right?

• 58:42Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 58:42Bill Maher?

  And we were talking about, I think he's from, I think it's, you know, I hope, I hope I'm not misquoting, I'm misremembering, but you know, come on, sometimes I blame the pod if I am. But I think it was Whitton and we were talking about Newark and he was saying that, you know, Republican administration, Democrat administration, it still looks like Newark. And I, I remember playing there many times. And you would, you know, I remember where the plane landed and then driving to the venue and you would pass through this section of town that looked shitty, like what you're talking about. And then you'd get to a different section of town where there's nice, you know, there was four blocks of,

• 59:25Bill Maher?

  you know, nice buildings and, and, you know, it just seemed like whoever is in charge, Newark's gonna Newark. Like why, like why are the Democrats better? If it doesn't change when they're in charge? Like why, why does it always seem, this is what we were kind of like musing over? Like why, what?

• 59:52Bill Maher?

  What's, who, who's not doing what? And why, if, if the Democrats are, are a better party for people of color, why doesn't it look different when they're in charge?

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  That's a, that's the, uh, the riddle. But.

• 1:00:10Speaker 03

  Both Democrat and Republican are to blame for how communities are zoned.

• 1:00:21Speaker 03

  There should be some things, like you don't, you don't mix. You don't mix, you know, poison in the water.

• 1:00:30Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  You don't put certain combinations together. And so that combination in our, in certain communities,

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  you can't blame the result. And to survive in those communities, people were selling illegal substances. That illegal substance is now legal.

• 1:00:52Bill Maher?

  Would you?

• 1:00:53Speaker 03

  There's folks that were selling weed in the hood that had to go to prison.

• 1:00:57Bill Maher?

  What about a weed store? Would you, when you say, oh, you shouldn't have the school next to the strip club and the liquor and the blah, blah, blah, would you put weed in that, a weed store in that category with the things that shouldn't be? Because I own one.

• 1:01:11Speaker 03

  So, no, no.

• 1:01:12Bill Maher?

  Or partly own one.

• 1:01:13Speaker 03

  So, I would, I would look at it like, um, I don't think weed is bad.

• 1:01:21Bill Maher?

  Me neither.

• 1:01:24Speaker 03

  Like, everything, everything at moderate, to a moderation, depending on the person. Some people's tolerance is here, some people's tolerance is there.

• 1:01:33Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:01:35Speaker 03

  There's obviously a business that, and I'm, and I'm biased

• 1:01:42Speaker 03

  to what I'm about to say because I know people that went to prison for a long time when they were selling weed when it was illegal.

• 1:01:51Speaker 03

  Now that they've gotten out,

• 1:01:54Speaker 03

  you would think they're going to get out and be the best weed seller, but they can't even do that in a way where now it's billboard, they're weed billboards. And folks that have, that have, you know, spent a lifetime doing something that's now legal.

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  That, to me, is heartbreaking. And if they were, if they were to come back into the community and have that dispensary.

• 1:02:27Speaker 03

  But having a license to.

• 1:02:32Speaker 03

  I don't even know if they can have a license to have a dispensary now that they've come out of a correctional facility.

• 1:02:40Bill Maher?

  No, of course you can't. I mean, they're very super strict about mixing any sort of pot with. I mean, I got rid of my guns because I don't want them to be able to say, oh, you know, you have guns and you smoke pot because that's a big no-no in this country. People have gotten in trouble because idiots, they post on Instagram like a joint in their mouth while they're holding an AK-47.

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  So I've never shot a gun.

• 1:03:08Bill Maher?

  Well, not an AK-47, but an AR-15, okay?

• 1:03:12Speaker 03

  Well, actually, no, I shot a gun once. But it was like a pellet gun.

• 1:03:17Bill Maher?

  But this, this country does not like to mix those two things. They don't like to mix vices. I mean, strip clubs, you mentioned. I mean, strip clubs are always crazy places where, like, if it's fully nude, then no liquor. Like, we cannot get them drunk and have them see actual pussy at the same time. That will cause riots or something. But if, like, they're like, if they cover up a little bit, pasties or something, then we can have liquor. Because then they won't go ape shit inside the strip club. You know, some of these things are grandfathered in from like 200 years ago or 100 years ago or some shit like that.

• 1:03:58Bill Maher?

  You know, but I, I mean, you say zoning, you know, I think redlining, but, you know.

• 1:04:04Speaker 03

  Redlining and zoning falls in the same, like.

• 1:04:06Bill Maher?

  Yes, but red, but it does not.

• 1:04:08Speaker 03

  Puppeteering of like.

• 1:04:11Speaker 03

  How people's lives are configured to be lesser. In the environment that they're in.

• 1:04:19Bill Maher?

  That is the history. I'm asking if that's the present. You think it's a conspiracy that?

• 1:04:26Speaker 03

  I don't think it's a conspiracy. I think it's like a known, a known practice for our neighborhoods to be configured the way they are and then a known practice that folks can't, at one point in time, couldn't go out and buy in certain areas.

• 1:04:41Bill Maher?

  If you were the king of Los Angeles, or any city like a big city, you would change the zoning laws?

• 1:04:47Speaker 03

  No kings.

• 1:04:50Bill Maher?

  But if you could just snap your fingers, you would change the zoning? That would be like job one for you? Like make sure that you just?

• 1:04:56Speaker 03

  Because, no, job one for me would be to educate folks in the community to the same level.

• 1:05:06Speaker 03

  Part of the zoning is how much teachers get in the area where you have that cocktail, that configuration.

• 1:05:17Speaker 03

  The investment for education is higher in areas that don't have the same zoning configuration.

• 1:05:25Speaker 03

  So, I would have equal access to higher education. And then mentor and inspire the, you know, a cluster of youth

• 1:05:42Speaker 03

  to go back to the community and change the community via entrepreneurship themselves.

• 1:05:49Bill Maher?

  What are your kids? I mean, what are your students? I mean, they must be like?

• 1:05:55Speaker 03

  So my foundation, I have a foundation called I Am Angel Foundation?

• 1:05:58Bill Maher?

  No, but like, when you teach? Like, I mean, I remember when I was at Cornell, there was a couple of like, sort of celebrity, you know, Carl Sagan was there. He was a big astronomer who? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:12Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 1:06:13Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah. That's where Neil deGrasse Tyson met him and, you know, it was the whole thing, you know? He mentored Neil and, but what it must be like to have like, the rock star as the professor? The kids must be a little bit different than they would be in somebody else's class. I mean, you must notice some sort of? You know.

• 1:06:37Speaker 03

  I try not to, um.

• 1:06:39Bill Maher?

  Aw, that.

• 1:06:40Speaker 03

  No, I try not to go in there like that, uh, but that was my biggest, um.

• 1:06:47Speaker 03

  Worry.

• 1:06:49Bill Maher?

  I mean, if I, if I was in Cornell and like Billy Joel was the professor. It would just be, I mean, it was just, I, I, I, I can't believe it wouldn't like, I mean, first of all, it must be a very popular course.

• 1:07:02Speaker 03

  It was, it's a.

• 1:07:03Bill Maher?

  I mean.

• 1:07:04Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm having the, the time of my life, um.

• 1:07:06Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:07:07Speaker 03

  Teaching this course, yeah. Once I realized like, it's like writing a song. I got the gist.

• 1:07:16Bill Maher?

  What is, teaching is like writing a song?

• 1:07:18Speaker 03

  Well, the, the, the arc of the three hours. You know, um.

• 1:07:24Bill Maher?

  Three hours?

• 1:07:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:25Bill Maher?

  The, it's three hours?

• 1:07:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:27Bill Maher?

  That's a lo-, I never once in my life had a three hour course.

• 1:07:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, we do three hours every Wednesday.

• 1:07:34Bill Maher?

  Wow, this kid sit there for three hours?

• 1:07:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:39Bill Maher?

  Good for you.

• 1:07:40Speaker 03

  It's a.

• 1:07:41Bill Maher?

  Cause boy, attention span is, you know, you don't, there, there must be a break, a bathroom.

• 1:07:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, we have bio breaks.

• 1:07:48Bill Maher?

  Please.

• 1:07:49Speaker 03

  Every, uh, fifty-five minutes.

• 1:07:51Bill Maher?

  Fifty-five minutes, I love it, the kids can't go a full hour.

• 1:07:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, fifty-five minutes, five minute bio.

• 1:07:58Bill Maher?

  And then they must thirst for their phone.

• 1:08:02Speaker 03

  No, we, we, the phone is a part of the, the course.

• 1:08:05Bill Maher?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:08:06Speaker 03

  Because they're building their personal agent. So we have, um, we have the, uh, uh, the first hour. We set up the, the, uh, the discussion, the debate, the banter. Um, and the problem that we're going to, um, try to aim our imagination at alongside the agent that we're building. Um, we point out the, the lack of governance. Lack of regulations in this space. Every, every, every week we open up a new module or a new feature.

• 1:08:34Bill Maher?

  How are they tested?

• 1:08:36Speaker 03

  Say again?

• 1:08:36Bill Maher?

  How are they tested?

• 1:08:37Speaker 03

  We, we test the students on how ethical they're building their agent.

• 1:08:44Bill Maher?

  What's a test look like?

• 1:08:45Speaker 03

  A test look like, it's not really a test from a, from a traditional viewpoint. So, for example, in this realm that we're in where agents are deployed by companies under no regulation and no governance, and now you have, we have people building their own personal agent, we test and mentor, we mentor the students to build ethical agents. And so, an agent will then be given a simulation on what the agent would do in a scenario.

• 1:09:27Speaker 03

  How you grade that, you have to be also careful how you grade that. Because you're preparing them for real world scenarios. And the grade is not the class. The grade is preparing them for real life scenarios. So you can't give them an A or a B or an F. You just have to have them think critically, think morally, have an ethical approach, so that when they take their, their perspective and their business that they build out into the world, they remember how.

• 1:09:59Bill Maher?

  So they, so they don't get any kind of letter grade?

• 1:10:01Speaker 03

  Say again?

• 1:10:02Bill Maher?

  They don't get any kind of letter grade?

• 1:10:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, but for scenarios like that, I don't think, the grade is not there. The grade is how you prepare them for being ethical, moral, and, and collaborative with the community or a national.

• 1:10:18Bill Maher?

  How do they know if they did it well if they don't get a grade?

• 1:10:21Speaker 03

  Oh, oh, oh, the, the way that, it's not a, we are living in a world now where you're building something that is hyper intelligent, logical reasoning, and you have to be careful on how you grade.

• 1:10:48Speaker 03

  An intelligent thing that students are configuring.

• 1:10:55Speaker 03

  And you want to help them build ethical contributions to society where you don't lead with greed. So how do you put people first, communities first, have tolerance, understanding, and cooperation? So from that perspective, those are the guidelines. And then from scenarios, you see how it performs, you see how friction it causes. And when you pit this against that, the friction, you step back. First, we have one scenario where we look at it from this perspective,

• 1:11:40Speaker 03

  from a bird's eye view perspective, seeing how it's played out in real life. And the friction it causes, just by having a conversation about it. And then you put your students in a scenario. And you see if there's friction there. And if they see the friction, how can you now be critical to your own decision making? It's easy to criticize if you're not in the decision making, if you have an opinion. But you've never been in a scenario, or put in a scenario to see how you would be in that. By putting yourself in that simulated thing to make a decision,

• 1:12:21Speaker 03

  and the friction it causes with people that you once aligned with, or saw eye to eye with. And because now you have stakes that can compromise your desires.

• 1:12:40Speaker 03

  And now you have to look at a person that you agreed with at one point in time, and there's friction.

• 1:12:44Bill Maher?

  Such a key thing, I think, and speaks to what's plaguing America more than anything else, is that people have to always be able to, and so many people I know sadly these days, don't do it anymore, have to be able to still remain friends with someone even though there's something that they think that you think is crazy.

• 1:13:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:08Bill Maher?

  Like, you can think they're good on A, B, C, D, and E, and then you get to F and you're like, oh my god, you're just a mental case. Because you're, but you know what? They think about that, about something you think.

• 1:13:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:21Bill Maher?

  And you just have to be able to go on.

• 1:13:23Speaker 03

  There's one thing that we, that we, um,

• 1:13:27Speaker 03

  that we, that I borrowed from the world of music in these simulations, is if you're playing or jamming,

• 1:13:36Speaker 03

  and I want to do something, because I want to do it, and my contribution is going to make the song sound horrible.

• 1:13:44Bill Maher?

  Right. Yeah.

• 1:13:48Speaker 03

  Then you have to contribute to where the song sounds good.

• 1:13:51Bill Maher?

  That's awesome. That's a great analogy. That's, that's awesome.

• 1:13:55Speaker 03

  Right, so music does something where it's like, it's not about noise.

• 1:13:58Bill Maher?

  We're not going to top that.

• 1:13:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:01Bill Maher?

  We're going to end on that one. Because that is perfect. That's, you know, with your background and what you're doing now, that's the, the perfect melding of the, you're so right. Like, you gotta, you gotta fit in with the band. You gotta contribute to the whole. You gotta think about the end result and what's, you know.

• 1:14:20Speaker 03

  What does it sound like?

• 1:14:21Bill Maher?

  What's, what's this sound like? What's the game? And also, music, again, just the young man in the 22nd row. I just want it to sound good.

• 1:14:29Speaker 03

  And right now, you're hearing noise.

• 1:14:32Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:14:33Speaker 03

  You're hearing like, wait, you know this shit don't sound right.

• 1:14:36Bill Maher?

  Well, I wish I was 20 again and in your class. Because it sounds like it's a lot of fun. I think you should show your class this podcast.

• 1:14:45Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:14:46Bill Maher?

  I think they would enjoy it.

• 1:14:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:49Bill Maher?

  They were like, who's that old white guy you're sitting with?

• 1:14:52Speaker 03

  No, they, they know, they know Bill.

• 1:14:56Bill Maher?

  Some of them.

• 1:14:57Speaker 03

  Wait, wait, so are you William?

• 1:15:00Bill Maher?

  Of course.

• 1:15:01Speaker 03

  But you're not like birth certificate Bill?

• 1:15:04Bill Maher?

  No. William is, no, Bill is a nickname. It's like dick. Nobody has dick on their birth certificate. Especially now in California where they won't even, well, just say whether you have a dick on your birth certificate. Good night, ladies and gentlemen.

• 1:15:19Bill Maher?

  But no, William is, is, you know, very Irish. My name, my, uh, I'm the third William Marr. I should have been William Aloysius Marr.

• 1:15:29Speaker 03

  Aloysius?

• 1:15:30Bill Maher?

  That's very Irish.

• 1:15:31Speaker 03

  Yo, Aloysius, see, if you was a rapper and you was like Aloysius?

• 1:15:35Bill Maher?

  It's a good name.

• 1:15:36Speaker 03

  Come on, bro. They would just call you Wishes. Yo, I'm here with Wishes, bro.

• 1:15:40Bill Maher?

  But my grandfather was William Aloysius Marr and my father was William Aloysius Marr. And I was, I was about to be, but we never got confirmed because my father left the Catholic Church. Thank God. Thank you, Jesus, ironically.

• 1:15:57Bill Maher?

  Right before I was supposed to be confirmed, so I never got a middle name, so I have not been. But Will- William, yes. And you did something much more creative with it. I always, you know, I never really loved my name. It's so generic, Bill.

• 1:16:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, William's like, William's generic.

• 1:16:15Bill Maher?

  It's, I mean, it's so generic that comedians, like when they wanna come up with a generic name for a bit, it's usually Bill. Uh, Bill, you had another idea, you know? Bill, let's, post from that meeting to like, it's either Bill or Tom.

• 1:16:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:33Bill Maher?

  Those are like really the, and, uh, you know, I mean, there's, there's a number of songs. You know? Don't mess with Bill. You remember that one?

• 1:16:45Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:16:47Speaker 03

  What was it, the 50s?

• 1:16:48Bill Maher?

  The 50s. Come on, give me a break. Even I wasn't around in the 50s. No, 60s, maybe even a little before I was listening, but The Marvelettes.

• 1:16:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, I never heard that one. I'm gonna check it out.

• 1:17:02Bill Maher?

  Don't mess with Bill. You have to check it out. You could do a great remix. It's perfect for you because your name is Bill, kind of.

• 1:17:09Speaker 03

  No, they've never called me Bill.

• 1:17:12Bill Maher?

  I know, but like it would just be a good song for you to do.

• 1:17:15Speaker 03

  There's one guy that calls me Bill.

• 1:17:17Bill Maher?

  Don't mess with Bill. I mean, it's kind of, it has a groove to it. It's not corny. It's not corny.

• 1:17:24Speaker 03

  Don't mess with Bill?

• 1:17:24Bill Maher?

  Don't.

• 1:17:27Bill Maher?

  Yes, and the song. Yeah, conjure it up on your magic lightbox. I bet you you can like, I bet you in seconds, Mr. AI, we can actually hear it.

• 1:17:38Speaker 03

  Don't mess with Bill.

• 1:17:39Bill Maher?

  And I think it's, I think it's The Marvelettes. I think I need to get bonus points if it is The Marvelettes.

• 1:17:46Speaker 03

  It is The Marvelettes.

• 1:17:47Bill Maher?

  Oh, awesome.

• 1:17:55Bill Maher?

  We did it.

• 1:17:57Speaker 03

  Thanks, Bill. Don't mess with Bill.

• 1:18:00Bill Maher?

  Now, look at that, you only heard it for two seconds and it's in your mind.

• 1:18:03Speaker 03

  It's good.

• 1:18:03Bill Maher?

  It's not bad.

• 1:18:04Speaker 03

  The organ, the organ is, uh, reinforces the.

• 1:18:07Bill Maher?

  It's hot.

• 1:18:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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