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In the latest episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, HR’s "most dangerous" duo is back to slice through the industry noise with their signature brand of snark and real-talk. This week, the boys dive into LinkedIn’s sudden quest for a personality, questioning if the platform can actually pull off being "funny" and what that cultural shift means for your professional feed. The conversation heats up as they dissect Google's latest moves to monetize Google for Jobs, a play that could fundamentally disrupt the recruitment landscape and how employers reach talent. Finally, things get sobering as they issue a blunt wake-up call to white-collar workers: evolve your skillset now or prepare for obsolescence in an AI-driven market. It’s a high-stakes mix of big tech power plays and career survival tactics that you won't want to miss. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and Banter 06:46 - Shout Outs and Industry Insights 10:24 - Travel Plans and Events 16:42 - Acquisition of BeApplied by Phenom 24:19 - Market Pressures and Company Valuations 27:51 - LinkedIn's Marketing Strategy Shift 34:18 - Google's Monetization of Job Searches 42:07 - The Future of White Collar Jobs 51:01 - Indeed's Smart Screening Updates

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  Noise.

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  Hide your kids, lock the doors. You're listening to HR's most dangerous podcast. Chad Soash and Joel Cheeseman are here to punch the recruiting industry right where it hurts. Complete with breaking news, brash opinion, and loads of snark. Buckle up, boys and girls. It's time for the Chad and Cheese Podcast.

• 1:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, never trust a big butt and a smile. What's up, boys and girls? This is the Chad and Cheese Podcast. I'm your co-host, Joel. I love the smell of napalm in the morning, Cheeseman. And this is Chad. Talk to-

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  Me like I'm a 12 year old. So wash.

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  And on this episode of HR's most dangerous podcast, LinkedIn finds its funny bone. Google for jobs finds its profit motive and white collar workers better just find another line of work. Let's do this. It's commercial time.

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  Hell, yeah.

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  Cool. Just go to jovio.com. That's J O V E O dot com. It's showtime.

• 3:32Speaker 01

  What's up, Chad? You settling into Europe?

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  Uh, yeah. And, and, and just the two of us, just the two of us.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  The two of us reunited and it's so good. Peaches and?

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  Cream, baby.

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  Herb.

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  Oh, Herb. I'm sorry.

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  Peaches and Herb.

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  And Herb. Yep. Peaches and Herb.

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  Peaches and cream was you and Julie last night.

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  Together.

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  That's you and Julie last night is the peaches and cream.

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  Yeah. I miss her already. I miss her already.

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  So.

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  Yes.

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  Banter. We got, we got Olympics. We got people passing away. We got, uh, what else? What else? What do you want to talk about?

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  I gotta say, you know, it, it, it's very sad seeing a guy like James Vanderbeek die, you know, young and, and he did. But you know, when you die with in and around James De- Deval, um, and Jesse Jackson, it's just like, that's a great group, right? So like to put a positive spin on it. It's okay. Uh, Hollywood stars, you know, Deval and, and Vanderbeek. And then this, this magnet, this, this Jesse Jackson ran for president twice, for goodness sakes. Uh, good, you know, I just hate to see, hate to see great people leave this earth. Uh, although James Vanderbeek, he, he stepped up on this, on this level, on this one.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  Were, were you a Dawson's Creek fan, Chad? I, I have a hard time seeing you sitting down with a, with a bowl of popcorn and watching Dawson's Creek.

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  I did not watch Dawson's Creek.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  How about Friday Night Lights? Was that something that, uh?

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  Uh, I did not watch it religiously. Yes, I did watch the movie. Yes. I just, I couldn't get into that. Couldn't get into the whole, you know, episodic thing. And there was, I mean, back then, kids, you might not believe this, but back then TV, we didn't have on demand. So you couldn't just watch it when you wanted. You actually had to watch it when it came out.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  Premeditated. Yes. You had, uh, you had to do that, which you and I talked about the Olympics, uh, Winter Olympics. Portugal apparently doesn't have anybody participating because they have no medals. Maybe they are, uh, they're, they're drinking, I guess, but, uh,

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  The Portuguese are good at, at, at many, many things. Uh, but when it comes to the Olympics and or sport, generally, generally, it is what we call the European football. And, uh, for a country of 10 million people who are, uh, ranked well above a, a country that is 340 million, being the US. In soccer, you know, you just, you gotta be disciplined and you gotta pick your sport. Not to mention it's not the most, it's not the most, um, let's say, uh, lavish country, right? There, it's not a very rich country. So playing a game like soccer is much easier than trying to buy pads for football or golf clubs or, or a toboggan.

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  I'm guessing there's no skiing anywhere in Portugal. There's no like fake snow. Is there really?

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  Yeah, there really is. Yeah, yeah, there is. In the, yeah, in, in, uh, uh, up in the inner, in the inner belt. I guess you could say.

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  Inner belt.

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  Yeah, there is because there's so much elevation. Uh, but yeah, there is, there definitely snow.

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  Who knew? Who knew? Well, the US, US is doing really well, uh, in medal count. I think they're up there. And by the time we record this and it goes, uh, it's published, there will be a new, uh, women's hockey gold medalist, uh, team, which will either be Canada or the US. So we'll be, we'll be watching that at our house.

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  On opposite sides of the living room, probably, uh, on that one. Uh, but, but that's good. Favorite Robert Duvall movie?

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  Oh shit.

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  Role?

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  That is, that, that's gonna be a hard one.

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  Godfather, Apocalypse Now.

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  Yeah, God, Apocalypse Now is great. Don't get me wrong. Godfather, I mean, being the consigliere. I mean, that is, he's the, that, that's definitely what he's known as, but it's really hard to come down to a single movie for a guy like, it's like Al Pacino, right? I mean, you just, it's like, what movie? It's like, there's not one. He's so good in so many movies. I just, I, I love the guy. He was so amazing. He reminds me of kind of like, uh, Gene Hackman, who was in so much in, in a certain timeframe, like in the eighties. So many good movies, so many good movies. It's like, you just can't pick one. It's amazing.

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  Um, when I was in 1984, uh, my, my, I think I was in sixth grade, fifth grade. Anyway, we had an assignment. There was a presidential election.

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  Yeah.

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  And our assignment was to cut out newspaper articles. Remember those kids? Newspaper articles, put them in a sort of a book of sort of chronicling, uh, the election. And Jesse Jackson was a, a prime figure, uh, in that election. So anyway, I was, I was thinking about, uh, some quotes that he had, and I wanted to leave, uh, leave this banter on, uh, one of Jesse's quotes in 1984. He said, as a candidate, he said, uh, quote, "Our mission to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to house the homeless, to teach the illiterate, to provide jobs for the jobless, and to choose the human race over the nuclear race." I thought that was an appropriate, uh, solid quote from Jesse Jackson.

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  And still, still good for today. Still good for today.

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  Yeah. Nuclear's taking on a whole different role.

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  As we have not achieved any of those.

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  Yes. Yes. Yes. 40 years later, we'll still working on all of that stuff. Yes.

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  All that.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  Is it time for shout outs? Yes. I'm gonna go first on shout outs. This is a, this is an odd one. Uh, you're probably familiar with Kalshi, Polly Market. Uh, this isn't a commentary on betting and the values of or the, the not so valuables of, uh, so Kalshi is interesting. If you don't know, you bet on things that aren't necessarily sports. You can vote on sports or bet on sports, but also, you know, when will the Supreme Court, uh, give a verdict on tariffs or who will the Democratic nominee be in 2026? Like you can bet all, all these things societally, culturally, politically, and business wise, you can bet on things. And I was shocked to

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  find out that our industry is represented on Kalshi, uh, deal and rippling.

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  Specifically. So interestingly, Deal at the time of this recording is the number two most likely to IPO this year after OpenAI. Rippling is down a ways at a 17% chance. Rippling or a deal right now is a 44% chance. Interesting. We've talked about that on the prediction show. So we'll see if it finally comes true. According to the markets, it will. The other one is, will Rippling win its lawsuit against Deal? Right now, that is, that is at a 60% chance of yes, they will win their lawsuit

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  against the shit show that is the lawsuit with, with Rippling. So I thought that was interesting. Shout out to, shout out to Kalshi and the, the markets and especially Deal, the gift that keeps on giving, even, even in the betting markets.

• 10:57Speaker 00

  Like we're in the seventh ring of hell when we start talking about fucking those markets. My shout out, a little different, a little different, but, but because here at the Chad and Cheese Podcast, we, we go deep, right? Not just the tip.

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  Not just the tip, people.

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  That's right. That's right. Seriously, we wanted to go deeper in to better understanding the different legal aspects of the eightfold lawsuit. So we, we invited Rachel Dempsey, the Associate Director of Torch Justice, onto the show this week. Go ahead and play that, that footage.

• 11:29Speaker 01

  Let's go.

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  This case sort of applies to all users and deals with the right to both to privacy and to transparency, to understanding sort of how your data is being used. And so just based, again, based on Eightfold's public information, eventually I think we will hopefully get insight into sort of, you know, private information, be able to, to test that in discovery. But right now, we just have access to its public information. But there's a lot of public information they've put out there about that, about their product. And based on the public information, I think there's two potential issues, both of which would violate the Fair Credit Reporting Act.

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  That's a teaser, kids. That's a teaser. Shout out to Rachel and her team over at Torch Justice who are fighting for the people, the little people, little guy, class action, in helping and also helping us understand, at least the industry understand better, how these new AI platforms should be treating candidates, their data and the transparency around all of it. And you can check that full episode out, which is entitled, Unfolding the Eightfold Lawsuit. That was a great title, Cheeseman. Wherever you get your podcasts, check it out.

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  Such a tease, such a tease.

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  Yes, that's what we do.

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  I got another shout out that came to me while that was playing. You know, you know, I, you know, I love a good, a good poll, Chad. Nothing, nothing like a LinkedIn poll. Anyway, I had a, I had a poll question last week. The, the labor, the jobs numbers came out from the government, which were quite contrasted to the private numbers like ADP and the George Report, et cetera. And I just wanted to know, do you believe the January numbers? About 400 people replied, 80% don't believe the numbers. So even if they're real or not, the perception out there is that this is, it's all bullshit. And that's a

• 13:29Speaker 01

  bad, that's a bad road to be on when, when the world's professionals don't believe what the government is telling them.

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  Yeah, it is. Well, and it's, it's also interesting that this administration is the one who said everything was rigged. And then we're looking at them and going, hmm, it feels like you're doing a good amount of the rigging.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, when you recalculate it to 800,000, I think that was the recalculation. I mean, like, yeah, it's just, it's just messed up. What, what is true in the numbers, Chad, is the number of, the number of free stuff that we get about. Let's, let's hear about that.

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  The forward slash. I mean, I love, he just, he went for it on the forward slash.

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  He forgot to mention that our t-shirts look great in a kilt. That's, that's the next video. And I want to see him stand up and see what's going on underneath.

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  I'm not sure I want to see him stand up because we might see too much. We might see too much. Real quick, we got, we got some travel, kids. We got some travel. And just in case you forget, travel is sponsored by our friends.

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  Events. Where are we going, boys?

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  Travel is sponsored by our friends over at Shaker Recruitment Marketing. If you're tired of agencies, just slap a logo on things that call it employer brand. Take a little field trip over to shaker.com. They actually know recruitment, marketing, beyond buzzwords, mixing brand, talent attraction, martech, and real insights into something that you know works. So March 24th through the 26th, I'm going to be at Here for Share. I don't know if that's how you say it. I'm new to this European thing. This European thing. If you're American, the way that it's spelled and the way that we would say it is Hertfordshire, England. Yeah, it's, it's north of London and between Cambridge and Oxford, which I,

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  it just feels like that's my place. The kids that bring us Rec Fest, they are introducing the Resourcing Leaders Exchange, which is the RLX. It's something new.

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  What is the RLX you might ask? Well, that's a good question. It's a fully hosted two day retreat for senior TA leaders. No vendor pitches, no expo halls, no wasted time pretending a stress ball as innovation kids. Just smart people, real strategy, peer insights and practical takeaways with actual time to think and explore solutions and maybe over a whiskey and Irish whiskey or a smooth Scotch with your buddy Chad, your bond, by the way. If, if you're one of those high level recruiting leaders and you'd like some time away to talk to your peers, learn more about AI, agentic and all the other cool stuff that kids are talking about, just roll over to

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  resourcingleaders.co and sign up today.

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  Nice. Have you been to Cambridge?

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  I've not, not yet.

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  Are you going to spend some time there or just in the space between?

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  If you, yeah, it depends, depends on how much time we have in country. So I gotta take a look. There's a lot of events that are coming up. So pretty, pretty stoked.

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  Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's cool. There's Newton's apple tree is there. You can enjoy a punting boat ride, I think it's called. There's a nice ghost tour.

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  Oh, I love a good ghost tour. Love a good pleasant. When, when you go on the ghost tour, is there anything like the ghost apple? I mean, cause Newton's there. Is there any Newton ish kind of ghosts?

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  Did you know Isaac Newton died poor? This is a total side note. Something I learned. There was, there was a stock, I don't know, a meme stock in the day, the South something company. Okay. Anyway, it spiked in price. Newton bought a bunch. It went up again and crashed. And Sir Isaac Newton died. I don't want to say penniless, but very poor. And people don't know that story about him. It can happen to the smartest people out there. He wasn't listening to chat and cheese and advice on companies and what's going on. He wasn't into listening to our topics, which leads us to.

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  I did not have Sir Isaac Newton on my bingo card.

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  I did not either. I did not either.

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  All right, Chad. Phenom has acquired Bee Applied, a developer of AI-driven cognitive assessment solutions to enhance its skills-based hiring infrastructure. The acquisition will integrate adaptive assessments into Phenom's AI platform to validate candidate capabilities and reduce hiring bias. Terms were not disclosed.

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  Surprise, Chad.

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  Big deal, little deal, or no deal, Phenom acquires Bee Applied.

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  Yeah, I think it's a deal. Let's just, let's put it, let's put it that way. Skills-based hiring structure. I mean, so many times vendors talk at a PhD level about their products when in reality you should be talking to us like we're in the sixth grade, right? Like we're 12 years old. So for the listeners out there, I'd like to, I'd like to do a little bit of that for myself, right? So I can better understand this. So if you just stick with me here. So the Bee Applied cognitive-based assessments, well, cognitive-based assessments refers to an evaluation of an individual's mental

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  abilities such as memory, reasoning, attention, and language to understand how their brain processes information. So these assessments are used across diverse fields to predict performance, identify impairments, or tailor different, you know, development strategies. I'm a huge proponent of assessing skills that are specific to the job, use of systems, troubleshooting, problem solving, much like our buddy Quincy Valencia was talking about when she brought up Tadio in her last interview last week. A platform that focuses on proving

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  actual skills that an individual can do what they say they can do. And that's a big reason why, you know, I started advising Tadio a few years ago. But unlike Tadio's, Methods over the years cognitive tests have demonstrated significant demographic demographic bias, legal and ethical risks and a negative impact on candidate experience. And I don't know if that's the case with be applied personally because I haven't audited it. Let's just say that. But it's always something that keeps me away from most cognitive assessment vendors, right? Needless to say, this company has been around for a good amount

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  of years, right? And has skills, jobs based tests, which again, I'm more focused on the jobs based. Does it actually, is it actually necessary for the job? Or is it something that you want just to kick somebody out? It'll be interesting how Phenom pulls this into their ecosystem, what they use and what they don't use. So I think much like their last acquisition, there's a lot, as we had said, this is, this is a time of consolidation. There's going to be a lot of this and Phenom, obviously they're out there on the clearance rack and they're picking stuff up. Good for them. Good for them. Let's see how they use it though. That's the big key.

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  60% of the time it works every time.

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  So I've, I've two sides of this coin. I'll, I'll start with, with be applied. They just call it applied. I don't know where the B comes in. They just needed it to get the URL, I guess. But yes, you're right. This, this company's been around for 10 years. They're VC backed, pretty modest 2.4 million, a little over 2.4 million invested, which I guess in 2016 was a pretty good, pretty good nut. They ran out of time, like 10 years for with VC is a really long time. So they were getting to that end of the road anyway, that they needed to, to liquidate this thing.

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  Two years ago, they had 32 employees.

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  Yeah.

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  Nice little business, nice little startup on a nice trajectory. As, as, as of the sale date, they had 13 employees.

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  Yeah.

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  So if you're good at math, 32 is a lot more than 13. So this, this was not a company on a growth trajectory. They were cutting costs. People were like, this is a sinking boat. I'm out of here. Little, little thing that I look at is what's going on on their social media?

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  Oh, nothing.

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  It's a, it's a dead giveaway. If you have a Twitter account and there's nothing on it, like it's a dead giveaway that there ain't shit going on at your company. Particularly today, when there's AI tools to like automate posts and shit. The last Instagram post from be applied was in March of 24.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  That should tell you that the lights were off. There might've been some people home, but the lights were off. So as far as I'm concerned, the VCs were like, let's go get rid of this. Maybe there was a connection to Phenom and they started ship selling this thing, started getting on the phone. And Phenom bit and acquired this company. I have no idea about their, their technology. I don't, I don't think I've ever seen them at a conference or that we've talked to them. They're in London, so I don't remember them ever being at Rec Fest. Maybe they were. So there's, there's nothing there. I can't really speak to their technology. Now to Phenom. Phenom seems to be like a poor man's workday in terms of strategy. They're like, okay, we gotta be like workday, but we don't have workday dollars.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  We can't buy Paradox and like, so let's, let's go to Marshall's. Let's go to Ross and see what we can get. And they seem to be scooping up these companies that are on deep discount. Don't diss goodwill, they do a good service. Anyway.

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  They do.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  So, so, so, look.

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  There are pre chat GPT companies and there are post chat GPT companies and Phenom is very much in that pre chat GPT world. The software universe as we know is under pressure, like valuing these companies and Phenom, if it's happening to Salesforce, it's happening to Workday or it's happening to Phenom and their investors are saying, we need to like get some value into this company. So like, let's go buy some AI businesses, this skills assessment businesses. When you watch the video on Phenom from, I think it's Mahi is their CEO talking about his acquisition. It's kind of sad. It's kind of like he was in between lunch and like a meeting and they pulled

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  him in to do this video. I mean, it almost looks like a hostage video.

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  It's a mayo on his chin.

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  It's just like, I can't, I can't really do it justice. You just got to go out and if you're, you know, if you want to go, go search the Phenom video of the announcement. And yes, it is, it's a sad, I don't know if the, the background is the real background. It's like a, like a, it's one of the, you know, pre, pre, precondition backgrounds. But yeah, it's, it's about, so in short, I think this was a company that had no other options. They're probably really lucky that they cashed out a little bit on Phenom. And for Phenom, it's like, it's, I don't want to say desperation, but man, it's, we gotta like justify our valuation. Their annual conference

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  is coming up. I'm, I'm interested to see who shows up, what kind of buzz it gets, what kind of, you know, heat it, heat it, uh, heat it.

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  They spent a lot of money on it. They spent a lot of money on it.

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  For Philly, yeah, it's a lot of money. I am Phenom.

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  Are you dissing, dissing Philly? Oh, that hurts.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  I love Philly. It's just not a high rent district. It's not a high rent neighborhood. It's not a high rent neighborhood.

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  We talked about this last week with, with Workday, right? I mean, the market today is not reality, but yet they're getting, we're still getting pressure and Workday is getting pressure. And even though Phenom. Is not a public company. They're still going to get pressure from it, right? Because that is what's driving the mindset of all these organizations, especially companies who want to buy. And for me, it's, it's not real, but unfortunately, these CEOs have to act like it's real and they have to react like it's real. So yeah, I mean, again, being able to buy these companies on the cheap. Why not? Especially if they've got good tech. I think, and I've told many startups that I've talked to.

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  There are so many startups that die, not because they have bad product. They've got amazing product. It's because their go to market is shit. And, and this is for all my European startups that are out there that I love, that I love you to death. You guys generally do half-assed go to market compared to US companies because of the, because of the type of money that they actually get in seed, pre-seed and seed in, in series A. Now, it's not your fault, obviously, because the EU has to do a much better job of coming together to be able to, to, to pull some money. But at the end of the day, go to market is generally the thing that kills these organizations.

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  They, they might have amazing tech, amazing smart founders, but they just don't have the go to market.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  Well, I will delegate all of our European commentary to you since you are the European on the show.

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  I love you all.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  The pressure is real. Workday, workday downgraded today as we record this.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  The market is not impressed with the new CEO or the, the strategy around specifically the AI, the AI companies that they've acquired. The, the market is not convinced. So Phenom is sort of a mini workday and I, I think they're under immense pressure. They raised a ton of money.

• 28:59Speaker 00

  Over the last two years, their revenue is up, oh, like 35%.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Workday, yeah.

• 29:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  We don't know.

• 29:05Speaker 00

  It's like 35. It's like, what the, that's real.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  It's the future, man. People are convinced the future and we'll get to the future with some other, yeah. Stay, stay with us, kids. We'll talk about the future. If you want to really feel like, you know, jumping, jumping off a, dropping off a building. All right, let's move on to LinkedIn. They've reportedly undergone a major shift in the marketing strategy over there due to significant declines in organic search traffic driven by the rise of AI-powered search tools like ChatGPT. They apparently suffered a 60% drop in B2B non-brand awareness-driven traffic despite maintaining strong organic rankings. Maybe traditional advertising will help as this new ad is now hitting the airwaves. Chad, check it out.

• 29:56Speaker 06

  LinkedIn is pretty amazing at helping you grow your small business. We cannot stop you from outgrowing your conference room. Good job, everybody.

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  I'd like to be in there.

• 30:06Speaker 06

  It can help you sell, market, and hire all in one place. It cannot help if that place is also where Justin keeps his juice maker. And while we can't decide how your team spends their lunch break, LinkedIn can help your small business efficiently grow so they can have lunch breaks.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  All right, Chad, what's your take on all things LinkedIn this week?

• 30:30Speaker 00

  I'm gonna go with the funny ads first, okay? So for all of those people throughout the years that would comment on other people's posts or even create their own posts themselves about content that they believe did not belong on LinkedIn while clutching their pearls, all I have to say is, ha, ha, ha, and now you can fuck right off. I love it. And it's like, from a social media standpoint, I mean, yes, LinkedIn's been a great, it was branded as a professional network at one time. Nobody can tell me how to be a professional, right? And that is my space. And, but there are always people on LinkedIn, these influencers or whatever the hell they called themselves at the time, LinkedIn experts, on how you

• 31:13Speaker 00

  should actually treat your LinkedIn. Well, I am me and I will treat it the way that I fucking want to. And I love watching it go from the professional network to, you know, battle bots at lunch. That's fucking awesome. So all of you again, who told all of us that we couldn't say or do what we wanted on LinkedIn, oh, you can fuck right off. Abandoning SEO side of the house. So with the gardener predicting a 50% drop in traditional search volume by 2028 and 94% of B2B buying groups already using AI, the keyword first strategy is dead. To me, the research that LinkedIn did was very insightful and literally

• 31:57Speaker 00

  something that we're going to have to say over and over and over and over and beat into every employer's head because they've got to get it. Content is queen. It is the strongest player on the board. You have to see everything as, entreat it, entreat everything as content. So something that I love about Gemini is that I can feed YouTube videos in there, right? So this isn't just, this isn't just text. This is also audio. This is video. This is all the way around. So I do love, now I'm not drinking the LinkedIn Kool-Aid. Don't do it.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  You sure? Because it's cherry flavored.

• 32:39Speaker 00

  I'm not doing it. I do like that they're, they're actually trying to push and help people understand, look, there's, there's another way of doing things. It's not keyword based anymore. It's much different. And they did research and pushed it out. So that was, that was pretty cool. Not, not too bad by the, the kids over at LinkedIn.

• 32:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. You're not going to fall for the banana, the tailpipe? That was transparency that's pretty rare these days. And we, we've talked about no click search for a long time and then that it's obviously impacting tons of websites. I click a lot less. I'm sure I'm just a small, you know, percentage of what's going on. The kids probably aren't clicking. Look, AI gives you the answer. If I go to Google, like I get a summary and that generally is what I need. Now you can click the little, you know, chain link and see the side or it'll give you references to what's going on. But apparently LinkedIn is saying not a lot of people are clicking those links.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  And as a result, SEO has changed. We're hearing a lot more about AEO, Answer Engine Optimization, kids. And some of the sites I talked to, they're getting more and more traffic from ChatGPT and other AI LLMs, et cetera. But it's clear that if you don't have a strategy,

• 34:00Speaker 01

  In addition to whatever SEO you're doing, you're doing it wrong. Uh, and you're probably seeing your traffic dip. If you're not on social media, if you're not creating, you know, me, uh, multimedia videos.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  I don't tell people to start a podcast, but it is a way to get extra content out there. If it is good content, unfortunately, if it's ZipRecruiter's podcast, it's not good content. But look, I mean, the game has changed and also makes more important. Your subscriptions like email is more important than ever. Direct mail is gaining some steam. SMS marketing, like make sure you have a diverse marketing strategy. And LinkedIn is really showing the way because there's not many more trusted sites like a LinkedIn. That's getting really good search results. So they're struggling. I can't imagine what other sites are, are doing on the, on the ad front. I love a funny ad. Our ads in our industry have historically been funny. The monkeys at CareerBuilder.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  You know, when I grow up, when I grow up was funny, like we do funny pretty well. LinkedIn is traditionally not done funny well. And this is, at all, this is sort of funny, like juicing a celery stick at the workplace is kind of funny. I guess. But what struck me as interesting is the target of SMBs. Cause LinkedIn has historically not targeted SMBs. I have waxed poetic about ZipRecruiter dropping the ball on being sort of the brand where SMBs go to post their jobs. They left that space a long time ago and the world loves a vacuum. So LinkedIn, here we go. Let's fill some of that vacuum. And as we're going to talk about later, white collar jobs are less than they used to be.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  Those were the sweet spot for LinkedIn. So if LinkedIn is saying like, well, jeez, if we think white collar jobs are dying, or there's going to be a lot fewer of them in the future. We better focus on SMB jobs and more like essential working jobs because we don't do that very well. So this is a nice step into that world. We'll see if they can make a dent. Blue collar people joining LinkedIn. I'm not sure that's, that's happening in any big way. But if they can make shit funny, uh, everyone can, uh, join in on the fun. That's my comment on LinkedIn and I'm sticking to it.

• 36:18Speaker 00

  That's, that's perfect.

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• 37:56Speaker 01

  All right, Chad, hat tip to fanboy and SEO junkie Alexander Chakovsky for finding sponsored results when searching for jobs on Google for jobs. He saw links to job descriptions being advertised by Indeed in Munich, and other Europeans are reporting similar findings.

• 38:16Speaker 01

  Quick reminder, Chad, Google is not a charity. Your take on the recent development of ads on Google for Jobs?

• 38:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, it just looks like they flipped on the monetization switch. I mean, also like someone forgot to flip on the monetization switch at some time. Like, oh, turn that on. Um, but this, this makes damn good sense because all the large language models are spending tons of cash. They are burning cash and knowing Gemini isn't less costly. Uh, Google's going to be turning on all the revenue engines that they can. So this is a great way to monetize and pay for the coming Gemini jobs elements that I'm sure is going to be blending with Google for Jobs in the pipeline. Right? So we've already heard about ChatGPT's version, like the unimaginative, gotta sign into

• 39:06Speaker 00

  your Indeed account first, and then it just sends you to a job on Indeed. We'll call that the, the basic bitch version, Indeed version. But there are other versions that are out there. I just saw yesterday an amazing pilot where hiring companies-

• 39:22Speaker 01

  Are you dropping a history lesson?

• 39:24Speaker 00

  Not yet, not yet, not yet. I'm getting there, I'm getting there.

• 39:26Speaker 01

  I smell it, alright, alright.

• 39:28Speaker 00

  You can feel it. Oh, see, we've been together too long. But I literally just saw a pilot yesterday where hiring companies will be able to feed their jobs directly into ChatGPT. Candidates can search for the company's jobs and then apply into the ATS using an agent, not going through the forms and all that other bullshit, but using their own agent specific to the company that's built for that company. It's fucking cool and it's all cool. But why is all of this important? Now it's time for a history lesson. Time for a history lesson. Okay, kids, back in the late aughts, when talent acquisition couldn't spell SEO,

• 40:10Speaker 00

  Indeed literally stole the search results page away from actual hiring companies. So when you would do a branded search for jobs like Coca-Cola jobs, Google would serve up links to Indeed, not Coca-Cola. Why? Because TA didn't understand the power of search optimization and it took some hiring companies over 10 years to win back their top search results back from Indeed, their own names. They had to win back from Indeed. Now- We have a similar type of a situation from an optimization on the AI side of the house, but instead of search optimization, much as you had said, answer engine, AI optimization,

• 40:50Speaker 00

  whatever you want to call it, Indeed is creating apps within the LLMs and they are trying to steal those results away in ChatGPT, in Claude, in Gemini, for all of the big brands that are out there. So if you're listening to me today and you are a brand, Indeed is trying to, trying to fucking drink your milkshake right fucking now, right? So job seekers will go to them instead of you, right? Companies can't allow this to happen. So you're going to have to, listen up, instead of losing like you did on Google and Indeed took all your traffic on Claude,

• 41:29Speaker 00

  on ChatGPT and on Gemini, you're going to have to build apps that actually engage those large language models. I saw one demonstrated yesterday. I know that they're coming out into the market. So get ready for due diligence because you're going to want to have your own app within ChatGPT, within these large language models that you don't have to go and like navigate and find you literally, there's, there's different search text functionality that does it. But you're going to want to do that now because if you lose it, again, you're going to have to go back to Indeed and spend more money with them instead of keeping it to yourself.

• 42:06Speaker 00

  My, the meatloaf, fuck.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  Chad, what do I say every time we do the prediction show? There are no wrong predictions.

• 42:15Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  They just haven't happened yet. I don't know how, I don't know if we both predicted this at one point or just one, I, but yeah, Google monetizing Google for Jobs was a layup. It's easy for them to do. I'm surprised it took this long, although it, going back to the, the LinkedIn story, there are fewer people clicking shit, which means they're clicking fewer ads, which means Google is like, how do we, how do we put more ads in there? What's an easy button for more ads? Oh, jobs classified. That's an easy one, right? So here in enters paid ads on Google does not surprise me. In fact, I have a history lesson of my own, Chad.

• 43:01Speaker 01

  Story lesson. Some of the younger viewers won't know that I was a, an SEO in a previous life and, uh, and loved it and was pretty successful at it. And I remember a conversation probably in oh, four, with one of my mentors, uh, Paul Elliott, who doesn't listen to the show. But anyway, uh, Paul, shout out to you. Um, I remember a conversation with Paul when he, when he made a statement, uh, Google, I think had just fairly recently come out with their paper click stuff. And he said, there will be a day when everything on Google is an ad. It's paid for by somebody. And I was like, come on. You remember the days when there were no ads on Google, right? Or the ads they did have were, were highlighted in purple and green and crazy colors and shit. Like you're

• 43:45Speaker 01

  like, oh, come on. Google's great because it's good organic. Well, let's fast forward 20 years. Everything organic is below the fold, uh, with Google. We didn't even envision AI stuff, uh, back then. Um, and here we are with jobs like it's all going to be paid shit. And, and, and, uh, in the screenshots that I saw, everything above the fold is an ad on jobs. And this is the where this is where we are now. Um, so the good news is Indeed's gonna have to spend more money. Uh, ZipRecruiter doesn't have any money. So I don't know what the hell they're gonna do, uh, with their ad spend. More LinkedIn ads, more ads everywhere, everybody. Um, so it does not surprise me, um,

• 44:24Speaker 01

  at all. What, uh, what I do find interesting is now when you search before the actual job description, you just see the listing and then where the primary, uh, primary spot is for that job, however, Google decides that. So you're not initially seeing a lot of options until you click on a job, but then you go like, so they're moving you towards more ads, I think. They want you to click more ads. And this is just where Google is. They are not a charity people. They are here to make money. They're here to make money. Which is good because pretty soon no one's gonna have money, which leads us to our next story, uh, which, my God, we are, we are just

• 45:09Speaker 01

  all screwed, everybody.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  Good day, sir. All right, Chad, the narrative around white collar jobs going extinct escalated this week. Thanks to some pretty smart people. Ex presidential candidate Andrew Yang took to Substack to say AI quote, will kick millions of white collar workers to the curb in the next 12 to 18 months end quote. Not to be outdone, Microsoft AI CEO Mustafa Suleyman said, all, all white collar work will be automated by AI in 18 months. Chad, what's your take on all these naysayers predicting the death of white collar work? And is podcast host considered a white collar job?

• 45:57Speaker 00

  Oh God, that's a, that's a very good question. Well, we'll say no, just for the sake of this conversation. Keep anxiety down. There's been so much contradiction of research and information and AI is not working and AI is going to take everybody's jobs and blah, blah.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  A lot of it on this show.

• 46:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, nobody knows what to believe, right? So, you know, whether you're a true believer like Microsoft's AI CEO, you know, Mustafa Suleyman, or just one of those, you know, AI Kool-Aid drinkers, which I think we all are.

• 46:34Speaker 01

  On the Kool-Aid today.

• 46:37Speaker 00

  I think it's important to go over how smart vendor companies could make widespread AI adoption actually happen because we're seeing reports like MIT saying, you know, CEOs aren't seeing any ROI. Well, there's a reason why they're not seeing ROI. We keep talking about how AI isn't giving us the ROI. Well, that's because we're using it as a tool instead of an integrated part of the system. What's the difference? A tool, very simply, workers have to manually engage the AI, right? I want, I want, I want to, to, to write something up. I've got to go to chat GPT. I have to, I have to write it up, right?

• 47:17Speaker 00

  Um, I have a, a, a job, a job description. Well, I post the job description. It goes directly into poetry. Our friends over Adam Gordon and Stephen McGrath, it automatically sucks in the, the, the job description. And it creates all these assets and gives a write back to me. I didn't have to do any of that shit. I didn't have to prompt it. I didn't have to do any of that stuff, right? That's the second part. AI as a part of the system, right? It picks up and does the heavy lifting for you. Without you having, having to even lift a fucking finger for God's sakes. Now imagine if you break all that down, all those tasks down into an AI system.

• 47:56Speaker 00

  And the AI can actually execute those tasks. This is going to be different from company to company, position to position as cultures are, are different. So, you know, there's going to be different complexity for some jobs, but the point is.

• 48:13Speaker 00

  Vendors who are smart will build the AI as an integrated part of the system instead of just tools. And if you do that, Mustafa's prediction and how it will be carried out, it will be much clearer. It will be seen much clearer. Every time I hear somebody say, well, how's a recruiter going to use it? I automatically think you're missing the fucking point. A recruiter shouldn't be using it. It should be happening in the background. It should be engaging. And actually taking tasks off the plate, right? So for me, it's just that simple. That's how technology, that's how AI, that's how, um.

• 48:54Speaker 00

  Automation and agents are literally going to take over in the background if, if we execute. If we execute in that manner, if we're creating tools, I think you're fucked. If we're creating integrated systems, then we're, I, I think we're going to blow up. It's going to be, it's going to be pretty amazing from, uh, uh, maybe not a job standpoint, but from, uh, a, a stock market standpoint for, for, I, you know, maybe a, a workday.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  And our, our podcasters, okay? Are we safe?

• 49:23Speaker 00

  I think we're fine. I mean, uh, personally.

• 49:29Speaker 00

  I've listened to some of these automated podcasts where they're created there. They've generated the chat GPT script and it's fed into, you know, notebook LLM. And they're sterile. They're boring. They're like most other podcasts, right? I think you have to bring, you have to bring character. You have to bring expertise. You have to, yeah, I mean, it's, it's going to be, it's going to be what it is. Yes, exactly. They don't give you a history lesson.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  They do. They don't have Scottish soundbites for everybody.

• 50:03Speaker 00

  They don't have shirtless Scotsmen.

• 50:05Speaker 01

  Also, I just remembered, uh, one of the anthropic security heads, I think, quit to do poetry.

• 50:13Speaker 01

  So like, people who should know are either making really wild statements or doing things to really upend their life as they know it. I'm with you, dude. Fear, uncertainty and doubt is real. I can read this and be like, we're screwed. Or I can listen to an interview that we've done and say, oh, well, it's just because the Fed rates are fucked up. Or, or you know, like, are we over hired? And we're just recalibrating that. I mean, that everything makes sense when you hear it. But the more and more smart people, I mean, these aren't crazy cat ladies on the corner. Like, these are people with real credentials. And they're, they're scared to death.

• 50:55Speaker 01

  So I don't, I don't know what to think other than keep doing what I do. Uh, I know AI has made us more efficient. I know that it's been, it's makes us, uh, produce more stuff and save more time and get back a lot of our lives. And maybe that's where we're going. We'll just have chocolates and bourbon, uh, every day and then just have the notes and everything done and we'll just read it. But

• 51:18Speaker 00

  I already do that.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  But, you know, what, what makes me think historically? Oh my God, are we going to do another history lesson?

• 51:25Speaker 00

  Oh, God.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  I love, I love the soundbite so much.

• 51:29Speaker 00

  Lesson.

• 51:30Speaker 01

  In the 1930s, uh, 20% of the jobs in this country, the U S were agriculture jobs.

• 51:37Speaker 00

  Ah, yeah.

• 51:38Speaker 01

  Um, flash freezing became a technology, bird's eye, uh, around the 1920s, which I'm not a scientist, basically allowed you to freeze produce and have it taste fresh. Like it, it wasn't soggy and moldy or whatever, which I guess would have been the case beforehand. So when that technology came out, there were, there were doomsayers talking about the end of agriculture and so many jobs were gonna disappear.

• 52:06Speaker 00

  Right.

• 52:06Speaker 01

  Well, sure enough, fast forward to today and under 2% of jobs in the U S are agriculture based. So you could basically say 20% of the jobs from 1930 are gone because of this technology. Now it's been a while since the 1930s, 100 years, and maybe this change will happen a lot quicker and people will have to adapt a lot faster. But we can survive, uh, if something really bad does happen. Uh, the world wasn't always an eight hour work day. The, the world wasn't always five days a week that you worked. I mean, like things will change and we'll adapt hopefully. But this shit is scary, but there is some scientific, uh, historical relevance to say like, we will survive.

• 52:48Speaker 01

  I think the, the pain is gonna be real for a period of time and maybe we'll adjust and adapt out of it. I don't see a future where we're all on our Oculus headsets, uh, Ready Player One style and living in trailers stacked upon each other on, in Columbus, Ohio. But I could be wrong. Uh, the good news is Chad, we probably won't be alive to see the demise of humanity. It'll be something our kids will get to view, probably.

• 53:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, I, I have heard many naysayers in that is saying that's agriculture. That's, that's one industry, that's one segment. This is across all segments, um, which could be more scary, right? But again, I think there are opportunities for, for growth in those, in those industries. Um, I hope so, and I also hope that, uh, we get in, uh, an equalization, um, or. Something that actually helps is gonna have to be the government that actually forces a higher pay because when people get paid more, they spend it on stuff, you know?

• 53:57Speaker 00

  And as we see wages not grow because they have not been growing with regard to inflation versus, you know, the, the upper echelon, the, the fucking executives. If that money is finally gotten down to the people who are going to pay for stuff, then that churns the economy. So, I mean, we have answers to fix this shit. We just have to fix it.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're not vibe coding at Arby's, just so you know. I know you're concerned about your roast beef getting automated, maybe making it.

• 54:28Speaker 00

  Maybe 3D printed.

• 54:30Speaker 01

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• 54:36Speaker 00

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• 54:38Speaker 01

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• 55:38Speaker 02

  So Ash out. Boy, that escalated quickly.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  Have we sounded old like old crotchety fuckers in this show? I feel like.

• 55:51Speaker 00

  We're gonna have to cap the history lessons.

• 55:54Speaker 01

  Well, we're bringing the red meat regardless. Let's talk about Indeed. They've updated their smart screening product. They've temporarily suspended the third-party license verification feature to facilitate, quote, "more enhancements." During this time, clients won't be charged for their smart screening subscription. Chad, what's Indeed up to with all these updates and these failure to launches?

• 56:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think, I think some people in the industry have been confused. And I appreciate and understand the confusion.

• 56:30Speaker 00

  But I wanted to talk about this for some, one single reason. The confusion, because throwing spaghetti at the wall doesn't equal innovation. Taking advantage of customers with quote-unquote "new," that's right, air quotes, kids, "new" sales models doesn't equal innovation. And creating half-assed tech and launching it to the world and then having to reel it back in doesn't equal innovation. We all need to recalibrate how we think about Indeed. Because remember, after being bought by Recruit Holdings, Indeed is proving to us on a daily basis they are not a tech company. They are a staffing company with shitty tech.

• 57:13Speaker 01

  Ouch. Which is weird because we had a hidden camera and microphone in the boardroom and here's, here's some unreleased Deco audible. Check this out.

• 57:24Speaker 03

  I'm the best there is, plain and simple. I mean, I wake up in the morning, I piss excellence.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  So I don't think they think there's a problem, Chad. I don't know.

• 57:31Speaker 00

  I'm sure they don't.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  I had a little bit different take on this and maybe it's because eightfold is on the brain. But if you, if you look at the smart screening product on Indeed's website, it says the following, and I quote, Indeed smart screening screens and scores candidates based on your objective criteria, then delivers them directly to your ATS. So your team can evaluate the right candidates faster. Do I smell sort of a black box grading thing going on or some potential risks there to indeed and saying, hey, let's back off of this and figure it out before this, this eightfold thing happens. If they are taking data of profiles and mixing them up and giving you scores like that is a potential threat to indeed is, I think we believe it's a threat to everybody who's doing anything like that,

• 58:18Speaker 01

  which is probably 80% of our industry.

• 58:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. But and again teaser, so you'll, you'll hear this when you listen to the Rachel Dempsey interview is that, and this is the funny part, what you just read is out there in the open, it's marketing, it's the sales. This is when, when Torch Justice wanted to create this, this suit and do their research against eightfold. All they had to do was look at their patents and look at their marketing material. And that, that really put them in a jam. And when I mean them, I mean eightfold. The same thing with indeed, the shit that they sell, they spin, they say they can do. That's going to come back prospectively and bite them in the ass, especially when they're talking about disposition data.

• 59:02Speaker 00

  They start talking about this, any company that is talking about taking disposition data right now on, on a grand scale, there are many companies right now that are doing it by like, almost like a consultancy to be able to clean up data, to be able to give companies specific signals that's their client, kind of like an agency, right? But if you're doing it like indeed, and you're coercing broad spectrums of companies to give you that disposition data, you could be fucked pretty quick.

• 59:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, this, this case is one to watch and we will continue to be reporting on it. Doing the good work.

• 59:40Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 59:41Speaker 01

  Like the good dad jokes that we are always doing on this show, Chad. This one is Olympics themed.

• 59:47Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 59:48Speaker 01

  What's the problem with the Winter Olympics, Chad?

• 59:52Speaker 00

  The winter.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  They always start okay, but then they go downhill fast.

• 59:58Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 59:59Speaker 01

  It's a slippery slope, unfortunately.

• 1:00:02Speaker 00

  It's a slippery slope, yeah. It's a slippery slalom.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  Go USA! We out!

• 1:00:07Speaker 00

  We out!

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• 1:00:52Speaker 03

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