WTT: AI: Fundamentals, Valuation, and the Next Allocator Dilemma

This WTT, AI: Fundamentals, Valuation, and the Next Allocator Dilemma takes on a high-level assessment of AI companies as late-stage private winners prepare to go public, and the next big challenge allocators face as a result. Read Ted's blog here https://www.capitalallocators.com/teds-blog/?filterwp=31888&category_2=what-teds-thinking. Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (⁠ https://thepodcastconsultant.com/https://thepodcastconsultant.com https://thepodcastconsultant.com/⁠ https://thepodcastconsultant.com/)

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• 0:05Ted Seides?

  This What Ted's Thinking: AI, Fundamentals Valuation, and the Next Allocator Dilemma takes on a high-level assessment of AI companies as late-stage private winners prepare to go public and the next big challenge allocators face as a result. I'm sitting in my classroom in disbelief. Five years of training in value investing and a year and a half at business school led me to a class called Managing the Market Space. The old marketplace of revenues, margins, and cash flow driving shareholder value had suddenly been replaced by clicks and eyeballs. Shortly thereafter, I attended a wedding and sat next to someone working at a technology company.

• 0:50Ted Seides?

  The business had just gone public, sporting a $3 billion market cap and $3 million in revenue. The more questions I asked, the more confused I became with the answers. Eventually, that recent Warden graduate turned to me in frustration and said, "You just don't get it." He was right. I couldn't see the future or understand the present. It was the spring of 2000. A few months later, the dot-com valuation bubble burst, but the internet-powered economy roared on. Maybe I was proven right, or maybe I was early and wrong. That's what made the period so difficult to navigate.

• 1:33Ted Seides?

  The enthusiasts were right about the technology, and the skeptics were right about prices. Here we are again with AI. AI is the next revolutionary technology and the centerpiece of every investment conversation. I won't pretend to know how the technology, business models, or capital markets will play out, but it's hard not to think about AI these days. I tend to see the world through probabilities rather than certainties. Consistent with that thread, I see two sides of the AI discussion across investment prospects, winners and losers, and the next big allocator challenge.

• 2:11Ted Seides?

  Fundamentals versus prices. The AI supply chain is experiencing unprecedented adoption, revenue growth, and capital expenditure. The fundamentals of frontier models, compute, infrastructure, energy demand, and capital formation are off the charts. At the same time, the valuations of both public and private companies imply these trends will continue, creating unprecedented growth, returns on invested capital, and future profits. Two recent podcast guests capture the two sides of this debate. Gavin Baker from Atreides describes the AI revolution as one of the most extraordinary moments in the history of capitalism.

• 2:51Ted Seides?

  He sees real demand constrained by the supply of Watson wafers, compelling returns from productivity gains, and a market that underestimates the durability of AI spending. On the other hand, Rajiv Jain from GQG is avoiding hyperscalers and AI-related businesses. He worries about the downside risk from massive capex without free cash flow follow-through, lack of pricing power, and extreme valuations. While he agrees that AI is a revolutionary technology, he's skeptical that today's business fundamentals justify today's prices. Both may be correct. Much like the internet, AI may transform businesses and become ubiquitous throughout the global economy.

• 3:35Ted Seides?

  But it's also possible that markets have already priced in a decade or two of progress, just as happened with Amazon and Microsoft in 2000. Those companies ultimately fulfilled enormous expectations, but investors who bought before the bubble burst still endured years of disappointing returns. The question isn't whether AI matters, it's how much of that future is already reflected in today's prices.

• 4:03Ted Seides?

  Winners and losers. During the internet boom, investors didn't have to distinguish winners from losers. Everything went up. The hard work started after the boom. Amazon became one of the most valuable businesses in history. Pets.com and hundreds of other online retailers vanished. The internet transformed the economy while simultaneously destroying enormous amounts of capital. AI may prove similar. Today, capital is abundant for private AI companies at every stage and in every layer of the stack: models, infrastructure, applications, tooling, and services. But capitalism eventually forces distinctions. Not every company can be a winner.

• 4:47Ted Seides?

  Technology concedes spectacularly while many investments fail to meet expectations. From access to positioning: the allocator dilemma. For allocators, this distinction matters for another reason. The biggest winners increasingly sit inside institutional portfolios, creating a different challenge than simply deciding whether AI is real. Allocators are moving from how to gain exposure to AI to how to position portfolios when access is no longer an obstacle. The power law phenomenon in venture capital is more pronounced than ever. The 10 largest venture-backed winners are worth around $2.5 trillion and represent over 50% of venture capital value.

• 5:32Ted Seides?

  Many institutional investors participated in these businesses through early, mid, and late-stage private investments. A few fortunate endowments are reported to have 10% to 15% of their entire pools in SpaceX. For years, private for longer created allocation imbalances across public and private markets. LPs rode extraordinary winners without much agency to adjust their portfolios. Ed Greffenstett spoke about this setup on a recent podcast, articulating the unsatisfying options of selling in the secondary market at a discount, slowing venture commitments, or adjusting asset allocation targets to adjust for mega-cap venture winners.

• 6:16Ted Seides?

  But as mega-cap private companies begin offering meaningful liquidity to public investors, allocators face a new challenge. What do you do when yesterday's private market winners become tomorrow's public market index constituents? A few years ago, in "Active management today is a single decision," I wrote that active management came down to the choice of how much exposure to hold in the MAG7. Replace MAG7 with AI, overlap acknowledged, and the dynamic isn't much different. AI may be real, valuations may be high, and allocators still have to decide what and how much to own without hiding behind the constraints of long-ago-seeded private investments.

• 7:01Ted Seides?

  The next decade may not only determine the winners and losers of AI. It may determine how allocators perform relative to each other. That's a question of technology, economics, and market structure all at once. The hard part comes after being right. AI technology may exceed our expectations, while many investments fail to meet them. The challenge is now deciding how much of that future is already reflected in today's prices and how much exposure to own when access is no longer a bottleneck. 26 years after that wedding conversation, I suspect the lesson is the same. The latest and greatest technology will exceed our lofty expectations, many investments will not,

• 7:45Ted Seides?

  and both can be true at the same time. The future is no longer the hard part to imagine. The hard part is deciding what it's worth today. Thanks for listening to the show. If you like what you heard, hop on our website at capitalallocators.com, where you can access past shows, join our mailing list, and sign up for premium content. Have a good one and see you next time.