KHC 134 - Cocodona Recap

Join us for a recap on Cam’s recent Cocodona 250 race - a broken foot, sleepless nights, and a relentless pursuit to make it to the finish line. Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Follow James: https://www.instagram.com/james_g_williams/ Thank you to our sponsors: Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics MUD\WTR: https://mudwtr.com/cam use code CAM for 15% off Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off LMNT: Visit https://drinklmnt.com/cam for a free sample pack with any purchase Timestamps: 00:00:00 Conor Got Robbed & Cam’s a Grandpa 00:02:29 Thoughts Before Running the Cocodona 00:07:22 Cocodona Pre-Race Energy 00:10:58 Courtney Dauwalter 00:13:10 Mile 112 & Miles of Mud 00:16:34 Andy Glaze 00:18:29 Wet Weather, Wrecked Feet, & No Sleep 00:22:23 Mile 212, 67 Hours, & 55 Minutes of Sleep 00:25:03 Ad Break (LMNT & MUD\WTR) 00:27:26 A Goal to Finish Under 80 Hours 00:30:59 “I Can’t Walk, but I Can Run” 00:34:03 Walnut Canyon - 230 Miles 00:35:41 Wildcat Hill to Flagstaff 00:37:51 The Last Aid Station to the Finish Line 00:40:55 Cocodona Finish Line 00:42:47 Cam’s Highlight - Orion 00:43:25 The Keep Hammering Team’s Effort in Cocodona 00:48:26 Pushing Through Running During the Night 00:49:51 The Difficulties of Running After Short Naps 00:53:15 God Bless the Haters 00:56:08 Getting Sick After the Race 01:03:28 James’ Thoughts on Cocodona 01:05:00 The Unknown of How Your Body Will Respond 01:08:30 Conors’ Thoughts on Cocodona 01:11:16 Clearly Not a Poser 01:16:29 Outro - Larry’s Jokes & The White House

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:15Cameron Hanes?

  This is the Keep Hammer Collective with James Gideon Williams.

• 0:19Speaker 01

  And?

• 0:21Cameron Hanes?

  Kramer and Haynes. And? Connor, Connor.

• 0:27Speaker 01

  Connor Larry Connor.

• 0:28Cameron Hanes?

  Connor Larry Connor. We're back.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  We are so back, baby.

• 0:32Cameron Hanes?

  The boys are back.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  All three of us.

• 0:35Cameron Hanes?

  Barely. Touch and go there for a second.

• 0:39Speaker 01

  Got western for a little bit.

• 0:41Cameron Hanes?

  Holy shit. What a disaster.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think, uh, I think we can use most of this episode to fill that in a little bit.

• 0:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, okay.

• 0:53Speaker 01

  But first,

• 0:55Speaker 01

  I just want to give a shout out. Where are we?

• 0:57Cameron Hanes?

  16.

• 0:58Speaker 01

  Oh, 16, okay.

• 1:01Speaker 01

  Larry's truck got broken into the other night, so to the piece of shit watching this.

• 1:09Speaker 01

  We are coming for you.

• 1:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:11Speaker 01

  What does Liam Neeson say? "I have a very defined set of special skills and I will find you."

• 1:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so what window did they break?

• 1:22Speaker 02

  It was the, uh, back driver's side.

• 1:25Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  Didn't unlock it or anything, just broke it, reached and grabbed it.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  Reached and grabbed it, yeah.

• 1:30Cameron Hanes?

  Sad. Well, that's a great intro to this episode of Shit Talkers Weekly.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's it's been a little while, so gotta get the people warmed up.

• 1:40Cameron Hanes?

  It has, yeah.

• 1:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. Also, congratulations, you are a grandpa.

• 1:45Cameron Hanes?

  I am, thank you, yeah. I just seen that little thing for the first time, because I've been sick.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I guess, so we're trying to be safe with it, so I saw it out here like Fauci style, outside with six max masks on.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Full hazmat suit.

• 2:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 2:04Speaker 01

  Hi, I'm your grandpa.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  Nightmare fuel for that baby.

• 2:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, exactly. But yeah, the baby so far is pretty worthless as far as what is contributing to society. I didn't see it do much of anything.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  Still contributing more than me.

• 2:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I mean, oh, yeah, definitely. But mostly just eating.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 2:28Cameron Hanes?

  Shitting.

• 2:29Speaker 01

  Well, I guess we'll get into the meat and potatoes.

• 2:32Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Which is, I think, weren't you doing something last couple of days?

• 2:38Cameron Hanes?

  There was a jog. I did a jog.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  You did a jog?

• 2:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  How was that?

• 2:42Cameron Hanes?

  It was good.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  Okay, good.

• 2:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it was a ni- nice jog in some cool country with a bunch of cool people.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  Oh, nice. How fun.

• 2:50Cameron Hanes?

  It was fun. Yeah.

• 2:52Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:52Cameron Hanes?

  The old Coca Donia.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  Coke Donut.

• 2:55Cameron Hanes?

  Coke Donut 250, which is a lie because it's 256 or 7.

• 3:01Speaker 01

  Or 9.

• 3:03Cameron Hanes?

  Rounded up to near 100.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  Depends if you took the inside corner or the outside.

• 3:06Cameron Hanes?

  Right, yeah, yeah. So those little things add up.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 3:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  No, I wanted to start at the very beginning and you were having some thought processes, processes?

• 3:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, sure.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  Processes, uh, the night before.

• 3:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  So what were you thinking about laying in bed the night before?

• 3:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, you know, it's a, it's all fun and games.

• 3:31Cameron Hanes?

  It's all a bunch of [bleep] until the night before the race, when you're laying there and you're, well, I'm laying there in bed going, staring at the ceiling going, it's like 9 at night, alarm set for 3:15 a.m. Um, staring at the ceiling going.

• 3:53Cameron Hanes?

  What have I got myself into?

• 3:57Cameron Hanes?

  So I had so many people there, you guys, Branlin, I don't even know how many people, 20 people for me? So I looked, it looked like, looked ridiculous because I looked like the biggest diva, which I was very conscious of. Because I'm not like these, this was probably, I would say the most competitive 200 mile plus, what a multi-day field? That's maybe been assembled, I don't know.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  I feel like it was the most anticipated for sure.

• 4:30Cameron Hanes?

  Most anticipated, maybe most stacked, I don't know, there's some great runners there. I mean, biggest names in the sport, Courtney is the biggest name in the sport. And then, you know, a lot of people with a lot of momentum, Max, after winning Moab last year. Mike McKnight, the most decorated 200 miler that's ever been.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:53Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, Harold, who is the defending champion, it's just, just some freaks, all the way down. And like, not to me, then there's others too, there's Finn Malanson, Jesse Haynes. It's just like, all these people have had incredible success in the sport and then me.

• 5:13Cameron Hanes?

  I'm laying there with this entourage, you know, around the house and this big plan for, I don't even know what, but staring at the ceiling going, I, I can, I should not be here. I, what am I, what am I doing? I was like this whole time thinking something's going to happen. Hopefully the plane goes down, hopefully something gets me out of this and nothing did. And then all of a sudden it was, in six hours, I'm going to have to run 250 some miles. And I am old, I haven't done a 200 in.

• 5:55Cameron Hanes?

  What was that? This is like eight, the eighth year?

• 5:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I've been hurt.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:02Cameron Hanes?

  And definitely hurt. Haven't been able to run or train or do anything to give me confidence. And I'm just like, now it was, it was showtime. And I'm like, I should not be here. And now I'm like roped into this. What am I gonna do? So that was, that was my feelings. And I'm like, wow, I screwed up.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  On the flight in, every little bump of turbulence. So we were sitting in the back going, we know Cam is hoping this plane crashes.

• 6:29Cameron Hanes?

  I was, I was super, you know, the thing is, and I've said this before, you can fake a lot of life. There's a lot of people who are not tough, but act tough.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 6:45Cameron Hanes?

  Not cool, but act cool. And that's fine. And it's not, they don't care, but they act like they care.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:53Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, you can fake a lot of shit. You can't fake standing on the starting line of a 250 some mile race and think that not everybody's gonna be paying attention to how you do. And I, I was like, my confidence was, you know, when I go on a hunt, I, my confidence is here. It has to be.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:15Cameron Hanes?

  For this, my confidence was like below ground. So anyway, that's how it started.

• 7:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. Okay. So go to bed with those thoughts in your mind. We wake up and head to the start line. Like you said, 3:15 AM alarm. I think we got to the, I think we got to the start line around four.

• 7:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 7:32Speaker 01

  Right there in that.

• 7:33Cameron Hanes?

  Race was gonna start at 5 AM.

• 7:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. Met up with Courtney before the race, said, said a few words to her, saw Max there. Uh, but for me, at the, at the actual start line, minutes before it started, everyone's piled in. The energy was incredible.

• 7:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 7:51Speaker 01

  It was really cool.

• 7:52Cameron Hanes?

  It's electric.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. Uh, and we get to this later, but for me, what was funny is like seeing how high the energy was at the start line and then just slowly watching everybody fall apart.

• 8:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 8:05Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah.

• 8:07Cameron Hanes?

  It's a pinnacle there before, before the gun goes off. And then it's.

• 8:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, then it gets real right out of the gate.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:16Cameron Hanes?

  Right? You just start climbing.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's no turning back at that point, but um, so race starts at 5am. You know, it starts to get light and the first aid station that we could see you at was Crown King, which was seventy two or thirty, thirty seven miles in.

• 8:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, how did it go to that point?

• 8:40Cameron Hanes?

  Wet, hard.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. You're ahead of schedule.

• 8:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I went out super conservative, just in general, just because I thought, to be honest, I thought there's no way I'm going to finish this race. There's no way. My body has been so screwed up. And this is, you know, forty thousand feet of gain.

• 9:01Cameron Hanes?

  Competitive field. A long, multi-day race.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:06Cameron Hanes?

  And I'm like, there's no way. So I'm just gonna do what I can do. Not try to go crazy to start. So I was very conservative, probably back, I don't even know where I was in the pack. But um, just trying to like, okay, let's, let's get, let my body get warmed up, get in a groove. And so I did. And uh, I was going slow, kinda started to pass some people, saw Andy Glaze, saw Eli, saw um, Shelby, which, you know, love Shelby Farrell, she's, you know, has been hurt, she broke her foot too.

• 9:42Cameron Hanes?

  And uh, kinda saw her like on this, for the first time, never met her in person, but uh, going on this kinda little bit of a grind uphill. And so we talked and that, that was cool. Um, but yeah, uh, just, it went better than I thought it was gonna go. My body was actually like, you know, I was worried about my hamstring for the most part. My foot I'm used to, it's been broke, it's whatever. It's just like what, what that injury has done up the chain, which has affected my calf and then my hamstring mostly. So I thought maybe if I don't open up on a, on a, you know, a long stride,

• 10:24Cameron Hanes?

  that's not gonna put stress on the hamstring, maybe I'll be okay. So this is all uphill anyway. It's like eleven thousand feet of gain in that first thirty seven. So there wasn't a lot of opening up the stride to get up that hill, but got up there and. Didn't feel terrible. Thirty seven miles in, I'm like, I mean, you barely started. Even though it's thirty seven miles, it's, that's a, you know, that's further than a 50K, but it's barely, you barely got started on this race. Point is, my, my body felt okay. Yeah.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  Hmm. Yeah, and I know Courtney and I think Harry and maybe even Dan came through there almost before they even had the aid station set up.

• 11:06Cameron Hanes?

  Flying.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, they were flying through there.

• 11:09Cameron Hanes?

  They were, and they went out hot. Which is cool. I mean, that's what everybody wanted to see. And Courtney's always a gamer. She's always wanting to push as hard as she can. Um, Dan hadn't done a 200, but had been putting in 100, 160 mile weeks of training. Just a freak. And Harry, of course, is, he, he looked, I mean, you know, he won last year, but he looked, or it seemed like he was in better shape this year as hard as he was going. Cause they got up there to that 30, there was an aid station at 32. And I got up there in like seven and a half hours, cause I said it was a grind and I was going, going kind of slow.

• 11:54Cameron Hanes?

  Um, Harry got up there in like five and a half, two hours.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 11:59Cameron Hanes?

  Already.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  And thirty seven miles.

• 12:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, just freaking crushing it. And then, you know, Courtney was right there too. So yeah, just an epic battle up front.

• 12:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know after Crown King, we went back. I think some people were taking a nap, but I was glued to the live tracker and then I watched.

• 12:15Cameron Hanes?

  I wasn't, by the way, I wasn't taking a nap. You said some people that.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  Oh, not you.

• 12:19Cameron Hanes?

  Right, okay.

• 12:20Speaker 01

  On the team.

• 12:21Cameron Hanes?

  That's great. I'm glad, I'm glad everybody's well rested. That's good.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  Uh, but watching, and then I watched Courtney overtake the lead guy. She was in.

• 12:28Cameron Hanes?

  Dan.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  Solo lead. Yeah. And I was like, this is nuts.

• 12:32Cameron Hanes?

  I told her, I'm like, I said, I'm already your number one fan. And I was wondering, have I underestimated you? Cause the way she took off and crushed that first hundred, which sounds insane, first hundred miles? Is that just? To say that that's like a good start and it's a hundred miles. Yeah. So, but for this race, yeah, you're not even halfway. But the way she attacked and dominated that first hundred miles, I was just like, I already thought she was a goat, but I, I might've been selling her short. She went so hard.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. So Crown King, there was a couple aid stations in between, but then to Fane Ranch, which was one twelve or one oh eight, somewhere right in there. Uh, that seemed like when the weather, I mean, also coming off of Mingus, that's shit really kind of started to go western.

• 13:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I, I got to ninety. So it's before Fane Ranch, I think, pretty sure. Yeah.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no, ninety is where I slept.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 13:30Cameron Hanes?

  For a little while.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 13:32Cameron Hanes?

  That was my first sleep. I made it ninety miles. Thought I'd get, what did I get? An hour there? Fifty-five minutes?

• 13:40Speaker 01

  Whiskey Row, I believe. Right?

• 13:42Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  Oh, it was after Whiskey Row?

• 13:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 13:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Um, or wait, maybe before. I don't even remember. Let me think. I can't.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  Find it.

• 13:50Cameron Hanes?

  Dude, my, my brain is still thrashed, but I didn't sleep for ninety miles.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  Oh, it'd have been Iron King.

• 13:59Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 14:00Cameron Hanes?

  Slept for about fifty-five minutes. I remember looking, um, I had to make a post about my book. I had to do that stuff because that was the day the book was out. So yeah, I did a post and then I tried to get a little sleep and then we took off out of there. Eli was there. Uh, he'd just got there and I don't think he'd slept yet, but, uh, we took off through the mud. So that's where the mud started and miles of mud and you could not, I mean, it was like a thirty minute, it's like thirty minute mile. So like two miles an hour, maybe two and a half miles an hour, which this is normally where you could run because it's just a cow pasture.

• 14:40Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 14:40Cameron Hanes?

  But it had been pouring.

• 14:42Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 14:42Cameron Hanes?

  So this cow pasture, which Arizona isn't used to getting a bunch of rain. So that mud was just sticking. Your shoes were like ten pounds, fella, probably, probably only three pounds, but.

• 14:54Cameron Hanes?

  When you're wanting shaving ounces, a few pounds on each feet doesn't help, right? So that was miles of that nonsense and um it was rough. Totally killed everybody's time. You know, the race, just in general, people could go harder because it was cooler. Normally that first section is super hot.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 15:19Cameron Hanes?

  People, people struggle with dehydration or lack of fluid or whatever, but this year it was hypothermia. I mean, people were freezing. Hail, rain, there's some snow, I think, maybe up on Mingus, but somewhat, anyway, I saw snow a few different places. But yeah, this, this stretch of mud was, it was so frustrating. There might be in the film, there might be a little me throwing a tantrum a time or two. But yeah, so then that finally we got out of the mud and then started up on the hill.

• 16:00Cameron Hanes?

  It's like a thirty some hundred foot climb, three thousand something foot climb in elevation gain up to Mingus. And uh, once you got off the bottom of the valley or bottom, wherever that cow pasture was, you, you got up some more rocks on the single track, wasn't too bad.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 16:20Cameron Hanes?

  Still grind.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I mean Connor was filming at Crown King, which yeah, that first thirty seven miles and someone got pulled for hypothermia. Yeah, which is wild, especially thinking of Arizona.

• 16:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it was rough.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. And also just in general, shout out to Andy Glaze, cause he does this shit unsupported, which is to me is nuts.

• 16:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he uh, it's, it's, well, okay, it's not technically unsupported.

• 16:48Speaker 01

  Drop bags.

• 16:49Cameron Hanes?

  It's pacer, pacerless. So he does it by himself, no pacers, but he still has aid stations and drop bags and things like that, which that's a big deal. It's definitely different than if it's completely unsupported, you're carrying all Your shit. That would be hard. So yeah, he, he does it with no pacer, which is, I mean, I, I don't want to, I'm just trying to define what or explain what definition of, of unsupported and paced or less and things like that, what that means for people who are listening. But, um, Andy, for those who don't know, I mean, he's got a full-time job. He's a firefighter or EMT and, uh, he's like got the streak of 200 and some weeks.

• 17:29Speaker 01

  60.

• 17:29Cameron Hanes?

  260?

• 17:30Speaker 01

  Or did he just hit 270?

• 17:32Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. 270 weeks of a hundred miles or more a week.

• 17:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:36Cameron Hanes?

  Running. And that's including these races and all this stuff is like, normally, I mean, he did the monster 300. And then I don't know how many weeks ago it was, but like a month, I think. And then now Coca dona 250. So, and plus 100 mile weeks in between.

• 17:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. No rollover.

• 17:53Cameron Hanes?

  Frickin' stud.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. Crazy.

• 17:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 17:55Speaker 01

  Like seeing his story after Coca dona, like yesterday or Monday, you know, he posts his watch and he's like zero, you know, for the week. And it's like,

• 18:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And he's just got, I mean, so much passion.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:10Cameron Hanes?

  Cause you, you couldn't do that unless you actually loved it. He loves it. Otherwise, no one would do that.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  I guess.

• 18:18Cameron Hanes?

  Got to be miserable. I don't know. Um, yeah. So saw him. Uh, yeah. Shout out to Andy. Great job. Uh, wow.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So coming down off of Mingus mountain, uh, down into Jerome, um, just for people listening, we had two, two camera crews, unfortunately for you, but we were swapping.

• 18:41Cameron Hanes?

  Didn't notice.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. We, we picked you up again. When you came down into Jerome, it was wet.

• 18:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  It was pouring.

• 18:49Cameron Hanes?

  Pour. It was. And, but the thing is that stretch from Mingus to Jerome, I fricking passed people. I was reeling people in. So by myself, had nobody with me or whatever. Um, ran with Shelby for a while, which she had her pacer, which is just a stud. I think top 10 at UTMB, she said. Um, and they were going good. I went to pass her and Shelby said she was just getting ready to pull, put her poles away. She's like, oh, I was just getting ready to, to send it. I'm like, Consent it. Go ahead. I'm right on you. And so I, she went, she's feeling good and I just followed along behind and yeah, we were going good. And then she ended up, I don't know what

• 19:33Cameron Hanes?

  she did, maybe had to go to the bathroom or something, but I passed and you know, they were back there and then I just took off and I just started reeling in probably, I think I passed about at least four people, maybe, maybe five, and then got down into Jerome soaked.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:52Cameron Hanes?

  And my feet were disaster.

• 19:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. Definitely Macy will have to throw some images up at the feet, but they were thrashed.

• 20:01Cameron Hanes?

  So for people that don't know, also, when your feet get wet and your skin gets wet, so there were some river crossings, but mostly it was the weather, pouring rain, and when your socks, shoes, feet, skin are wet, it gets really soft. Soft skin for 200 and some miles, not a good combination. Though because my feet were so soft and Jerome was at, what was that mile marker, do you know?

• 20:30Speaker 01

  Uh, 130, let's see, uh, one, just shy 130, it was one like 126.

• 20:38Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. So after 130 miles with soft skin on your feet, it's a mess.

• 20:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:44Cameron Hanes?

  It fricking hurt, dude.

• 20:45Speaker 01

  I mean, your feet looked like they were attached to a cadaver.

• 20:50Cameron Hanes?

  It, it's like, and I don't think people realize on these races too, if you're trying to, you know, it's not like I'm going to win this thing, but I want to, I don't want to get embarrassed. So every second is valuable. Either you're moving, running, walking, hiking, eating, getting bandaged up.

• 21:11Cameron Hanes?

  Or trying to somehow, I gotta, I gotta sleep for five minutes.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:14Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, sleep. But it's that not you, there is no down, real downtime.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  No.

• 21:21Cameron Hanes?

  It's like you have to be doing something productive to, to, that's gonna help you to keep moving, or you're moving just in general, or you're problem solving. And it's like, it never stops. So it's like for 84 hours for me, it was go, go. That is exhausting.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at, at the aid stations, there was never a time where it was just like, all right, relax for a second. You're getting your shit worked on or whatever. It was brutal. And as someone who hasn't seen that before,

• 21:55Speaker 01

  I mean, it's tough to like, see the condition you're in and be like, all right, you gotta keep going. And not be like, hey, this shit is now on my conscience. If something happens to you, you know?

• 22:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. It's not good for you.

• 22:11Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, I don't, I don't even know what I looked like. I, I know there's times where I was, and you'll probably talk about, about where I was talking, but the words.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:22Cameron Hanes?

  Were incorrect.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. So that, that was next for me is when we picked you up at Fort Tuttle and,

• 22:30Speaker 01

  yeah, that was brutal, watching you come in there.

• 22:34Cameron Hanes?

  What mile was that?

• 22:35Speaker 01

  That was, uh, two, two 12.

• 22:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So by this time I had slept, I think the one time for like 55 minutes. And after 200, so this is probably

• 22:50Cameron Hanes?

  60 hours in.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  Uh, let's see. Yeah, it was, yeah. When you came in, yeah, I would have been right in there. Cause you came in right at 12.

• 23:01Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. At 12, let me think. So 12 at night.

• 23:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:05Cameron Hanes?

  So five in the morning to five in the morning to five in the morning.

• 23:11Cameron Hanes?

  About 12 at night. Let me think. What would that?

• 23:13Speaker 01

  It'd have been like 67 hours.

• 23:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, 67 then. Okay. So in 67 hours, right, exactly 67, I slept 55 minutes.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:24Cameron Hanes?

  And that, and you could tell.

• 23:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. And again, as someone who hadn't seen it before, I didn't know, like, I'm thinking, there's no way this takes an hour nap and he can talk afterwards, you know?

• 23:37Cameron Hanes?

  Cause I couldn't talk.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  No. I mean, you were putting words together and we have footage of it, but it's like putting words together that just like, I don't know what you were trying to say.

• 23:47Cameron Hanes?

  But so here's, here's how it works. Your brain breaks pretty much. I mean, I remember that they have to do a wellness check there or something like that. But that guy came up and he's like, hey, before you leave, we got to, we got to do a mental wellness or health or something check. And I was just like looking at him going, I'm like, who the this guy talking to? And it's like, he's looking at me, but I couldn't figure out why he was talking to me. And so then I was just like, then I just, I remember saying, thank you and walked away. And it's just like, I was, I was a mess at that time.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. And there is some good chunks in there that you didn't remember, like before you went to sleep. Crazy. And then also physically wise, not in the best shape either, you know?

• 24:36Cameron Hanes?

  No, I had Taylor with me at that time. It was a grind that night. I mean, it was a grind. I can't even, I don't even know. I don't even know. It was a mess. But again, for, for me, which didn't think I should even be there, didn't think my body was going to hold up. Now I'm 212 miles in. It's not bad.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  No.

• 25:03Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. I still had a goal at that time. I remember maybe, maybe as delusional as I was, but I wanted to finish in, in the seventies.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 25:13Cameron Hanes?

  So under 80, under 80 hours. And I was, you know, whatever. I can't remember. I guess 67 about, but. So I thought to myself, well, if I can, I had at that time about forty miles to go. And I'm like, trying to do the math in my head, which I couldn't do, but I'm like, well, let me sleep. I need to get some sleep. Obviously, I couldn't talk. And I was hurt hurting. So I wanted to get two hours there because I thought, well, if I had, I can't remember what I was thinking in my head. But if I had nine hours or something in my head to get forty miles. If I got, if I slept two hours, maybe I'd be back on my game and I could take off. I had a, I had like a seventeen mile section, I think, in the morning. Yep, by yourself.

• 25:58Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, or whenever I started. So I started at like three something by the time everything got squared away. And I needed to, I had forty miles to finish. I had a time I was trying to get. So after an hour, then I couldn't sleep for the other hour because it's too hot in the van. We had the heater crank because I was freezing, but then I was way too hot. So anyway, I did get an hour there. So if it's like,

• 26:29Cameron Hanes?

  yeah, or maybe, maybe that was where I got fifty-five minutes and forty-five the time before. But anyway, point is, is I got a little sleep. Problem was, I got up, my body

• 26:41Cameron Hanes?

  was broke. Yeah.

• 26:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I could, I could not, I could not take a step. And, and as I said, they're going to check you, right? Because they want to make sure people aren't going out because this is, this is three in the morning. I'm going out with no pacer. And this part of the trail was not, is like a million trails and it wasn't. And then at night, it's hard to see some of those flaggings. So a million trails taking off from whatever trail you're supposed to be on. So you need to be on your A game and they want to check that out. But I can't go over to get checked out and I can't walk because they're going to be like, how, how do you expect to get through this if you can't move? So in my head, I'm like, I have to act like I'm fine.

• 27:29Cameron Hanes?

  Even though I couldn't do shit. Right. Could, could barely stand, so.

• 27:37Cameron Hanes?

  I somehow limp over there. You got to go in to this back room to get checked and I just was like, okay, right now I just got to be on stage. Went over there, walked sort of normal and he asked me something, yep, uh, you know your name? Sure do. Yep. Going to get knock this thing out. Going to get this finished off. And yeah, we've got 40 miles to go. Just like, kind of had been practicing. He's like, okay, good to go. Well, good luck. And I'm like, all right, thanks. And then made it outside and it was like, that's all I had.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  I mean, there was,

• 28:15Speaker 01

  I don't know if it was from the overcompensation or what, but that left leg, I mean,

• 28:22Speaker 01

  it was like walking on a two by four is what it looked like, you know? It was, yeah, it was rough leaving there. And then again, like you said, going by yourself 17 miles. It was like,

• 28:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And so here's the crazy thing.

• 28:39Cameron Hanes?

  I got over to the sidewalk over there and I'm like, got away from everybody. So I'm kind of in the dark, a little bit on the edge of the light of the parking lot or whatever the four was. And I'm over there just kind of gathering myself going,

• 28:55Cameron Hanes?

  I was leaning over on my, on my poles and I'm like,

• 29:00Cameron Hanes?

  what am I going to do?

• 29:04Cameron Hanes?

  What am I going to do here? So every step was like, I don't know, I can't even, people think it's playing it up, whatever, but every step was hurt.

• 29:23Cameron Hanes?

  So step, another step, another step, kind of like,

• 29:30Cameron Hanes?

  Little bit of try to jog a little bit, push, push with the poles a little bit. After a few minutes, I'm going. Yeah. I'm running. And it's just like, there's a saying, I can't walk, but I can run. And I'm like, I sure couldn't walk, but I could run. And I, I busted out that 70 mile section. You flew through it. And I don't know how, but I'm just like, I want, I still wanted that hope of that 79 hour finish. So I got through there and you guys are probably watching the tracker and you can see like the miles per hour. And you know that if, if most people by that time, they might be two, 2.9 miles per hour.

• 30:15Cameron Hanes?

  If you walk, you can walk three miles per hour if you're steady. If you're running at that time, at that stage in the race, if you're in the fours, four miles per hour, four point something, you're moving. Yep. And so I'm sure I was, you know, in the fours. Yeah. Courtney texted me that on that, she must've been watching or something on that stretch and just said, you're doing amazing. But yeah, so I busted that, that out and I was kind of in the game for the 17. This, this marathoner from Drew, maybe was his name. He had been tracking me and he ran up that trail that was coming down and then ran with me.

• 30:55Cameron Hanes?

  And, uh, he just lives up there in Flagstaff or somewhere around there and trains for the marathon. But so we ran together as the, the sun was coming up. I saw an elk that morning, just totally by myself, just actually feeling not terrible for 200 miles in. And, uh, yeah, got that section knocked out and showed up at the aid station and saw there was like room for about three cars and six of, but there are six cars there all for me. And I'm just like, what the, why is there, I said, I want two cameramen at, at a time. I don't want four guys here. So that's like, I come in, I should be in a good mood, but instead I'm pissed at everybody.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do you think, uh, I mean, do you think you actually saw that elk? Or do you think it was like an omen?

• 31:46Cameron Hanes?

  No, I saw it. I saw it for sure.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  Cause when I was, I, I was probably two, two miles into that trail too, when I, when you were coming down it and watching you run, I kept seeing you look off and I was like, is he hallucinating or is he actually looking for shit? But

• 32:01Cameron Hanes?

  No, I was looking, yeah, I was looking, um, yeah, I saw an elk probably about five miles from where I saw you guys. But yeah, um, cool country up there. It's awesome.

• 32:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. Reminds me of San Carlos.

• 32:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah. No, it was nice.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, so then from there, that 17 mile stretch brought you into, uh,

• 32:23Speaker 01

  Wildcat, oh no. What was the name of that?

• 32:28Speaker 01

  It was right before Wildcat. Wildcat was the last one we saw you at.

• 32:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. It was like

• 32:32Speaker 01

  Walnut Canyon.

• 32:33Cameron Hanes?

  So then eight miles, I think to, to Wildcat. So I picked up Taylor and I was with, uh, Ryan, who's just a stud. We were back and forth the whole race.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:44Cameron Hanes?

  He's just a, you know, he wins these things. He's just a beast.

• 32:50Cameron Hanes?

  He said, you know, you'd be way ahead of me if you didn't spend so much time in the aid stations. And I'm like, well, dude, in the aid stations is where they put me back together. Cause I, I can barely do this. So he would like get out of the aid station before me. You guys had bandaged me up and then I would pass it.

• 33:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:06Cameron Hanes?

  And so we were together, me, him and Taylor, and then that Drew ran with us a little bit too. I think it's Drew, but a super nice guy. Um, and we made it through that eight miles and then we got to Wildcat. And at Wildcat, you see the radio towers up there and you're like, ah, it's not too bad. I mean, so we just go over that hill down into Flagstaff. By this time we're at, what do we got left? 20 miles?

• 33:32Speaker 01

  20 miles.

• 33:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So 20 miles. I'm like, This doesn't look that bad. And um, so I went, I said, okay, I'm going, I had my Hank Williams shirt on. I'm like, I don't want to cover this up. I gotta stuff everything in my fanny pack that I need. And uh, we'll go fast and light here because I want my, my Hank Williams shirt not covered up by the pack for the finish. It's a ways to the finish. 20 miles at the end of that race. And then it wasn't just, if we would have went to the radio towers, fine. But we went way the hell some other way, big loop, 10 miles. And then you start going up and it was a, it was grind up there.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  I think we did the math and it was like 3,200 feet that last climb.

• 34:13Cameron Hanes?

  It was a pole. The, the cool part was me, Taylor and Ryan kind of stayed together and that was fun. And uh, Jeff Browning ran down over the top and then was like, turned around and ran with us. And so I was kind of running with him and I'm just like, what the am I doing, running this fast? Ryan said, I'm out. I'm like, I can't, I'm not burning my matches on this right now. Cause now we're in the sun and Jeff is like, super fired up. Loves, just loves this whole thing. He's the OG. I love, you know, Jeff Browning is like a legend. So I want to run with him. But sometimes, you know, to quote him, what you want and what you need are two different things. I didn't need to run with him.

• 34:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 34:57Cameron Hanes?

  And even though I wanted to, so um, he turned around, he's doing a long run. He wasn't doing the race, but he, his truck was parked back down the bomb or something. But we ended up getting up and over that and uh, that was a grind and um, dropped down, saw some cool people coming up the trail. Uh, super, really steep going up, but super steep going down on dead legs. It's like two foot drop offs and stuff. My legs actually were okay at that time. Um, and then we got down and there's the last aid station. 3.9 miles from the finish. And I was sitting there and there's so many ups and downs in these things, but I'm sitting there and I'm like,

• 35:41Cameron Hanes?

  okay, we got less than four miles, which seems like nothing.

• 35:47Cameron Hanes?

  You know, I'd walked a dog here four miles. At that point, I'm like,

• 35:53Cameron Hanes?

  Could anybody ever quit at this point of 256 mile? Cause I felt like it wasn't like I wanted to quit, but it was, it was on the table. Yeah. It was, okay, I'm just, I'm not gonna say, let's just, let's just put our options out here. Could quit. We could, and I, there's two runners coming hot. Yep. Um, like a Dante or something like that. I can't remember. Dante. Dante, yeah. Super nice guy. And then Shelby was coming. She'd been saying she was hunting me all night. And she's a machine. So I'm like, okay, I could just sit here, lick my wounds. They'll probably pass me because they were coming hard. Yep.

• 36:32Cameron Hanes?

  And I wasn't going hard, but I look over at Ryan and I'm like, well, there's only one way to end this thing, get this thing up. We gotta go. You ready? And so we sat there for just like a second and just got up, started covering more country. Not fast, but you can, you know, there's another saying at Ultras, beware of the chair. Cause clock's not stopping. Yeah, right. So if you're sitting in the chair, you're just burning time. And I just said, hey, we just gotta get up and go. So we did and got in there to the finish had, you know, then once you get down, there's a little more climbing than what you'd want on that. It's kind of rolling on the side of the hill,

• 37:12Cameron Hanes?

  on the shoulder of the, of the mountain there, which they tell you like, oh, all your climbing is done. So when they say it's done, and you see like even a 10 foot little hill, you're like, what the? I thought we were done. What is this shit? You're like, you're, when you're done, you're done. So, you know, whining a little bit, but get up there. Then once you start dropping down into Flagstaff, you go through this park, then you start seeing people, then it's like getting exciting. And then they're doing the live stream interviews and you make it down into, I mean, it's just epic.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, I mean, that, that the ending there, like, once you got into the town, kind of, everyone's waiting and cheering. I thought that was super cool. People are honking and

• 37:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, the energy there, kind of, it comes back up similar to the start line, which is really cool to watch people get so broken down and then get lifted back up.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  Like they'd finally accomplished this seemingly impossible task at the beginning, you know?

• 38:14Cameron Hanes?

  Feels, feels daunting. It's a long way, dude.

• 38:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. I mean, this is such a stupid comparison, but even in like the, the 50 Ks I've run, I'm like, okay, I know it's not going to be perfectly 31 miles. And I know when I hit 31, I'm going to be pissed at every extra step I gotta take.

• 38:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  So how did you feel at mile 250, knowing that you had a six and a half, seven left?

• 38:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I felt like I got fucked over. It's like, this is the Cocodona 250. I, this, where's the finish line?

• 38:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:46Cameron Hanes?

  This, it should be right here. But, uh, I told Jamil, we saw him on the sidewalk there coming in. I said, you know what? I said, I was pissed that this was long, but I changed my mind. We got seven free miles. We paid for 250, seven on the house. I said, so thank you.

• 39:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:04Cameron Hanes?

  So yeah, but by that time, you're, it's all good. You made it.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:10Cameron Hanes?

  The attitude isn't the same back there a ways.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, but, uh, coming into the, the finish was super cool. You and Ryan, you know, stayed together. You fell back a little bit because your, uh, live stream interview.

• 39:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 39:25Speaker 01

  And then, uh, you sprinted. This is what was nuts to me. You sprinted in the road to catch up to him. And obviously you didn't run a full mile at this pace, but it had to be in the sixes, I would think. I mean, you were hauling and you said something to me, which was you hadn't really tried to open up since your hamstring injury.

• 39:45Cameron Hanes?

  I hadn't, no.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, which is crazy.

• 39:47Cameron Hanes?

  That was a good sign because not only did I catch up with Ryan, but also my hamstring didn't snap. So I'm like, and I, right now, I feel my, I don't feel my hamstring. I mean, there's a few things that I feel, but I'm not terrible. I did Piska yesterday.

• 40:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:05Cameron Hanes?

  And it's like,

• 40:06Speaker 01

  It's all good?

• 40:07Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 40:09Cameron Hanes?

  But it didn't, I felt worse. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, that's a great sign. I mean, my body held together somehow. I met, I mean, you know, when we do this film and people have seen this, but

• 40:25Cameron Hanes?

  so many, you know, little Orion, it's Orion. Orion, yeah. Yeah, Orion, yeah. Little Orion was like the highlight for me, cutest little guy.

• 40:39Cameron Hanes?

  Man, that was so cool. Yeah, I mean, such a, that family, I just, I was energized just by, you know, I saw him at Munn's Park, I think it was, and then they came to the finish with the book. Dad said he ordered the book and he hadn't got it yet. So by the time I finished, they'd got the book. And they were at the finish line and he ran in with me and man, I'll never forget that. I'll never forget, you know, how everybody from Taylor to Logan, who was Rihanna's husband,

• 41:13Cameron Hanes?

  to Adam, who paced me, to the Recovery Strong brothers, Shaw brothers, to you and Connor and, I mean, Speedland guys, Kevin and Dave. This is like, I'll never forget how

• 41:32Cameron Hanes?

  selfless and helpful you guys were to help me, basically help me achieve this goal of getting my old broke ass to the finish line. And I just can't, I can never repay everybody's effort because it is, this is not a small thing to to dedicate that much time. Sure. You know, three and a half days for you guys. Of course, I'm running, but you guys are driving, figuring out how to sleep. Oh, Brandon and Caleb too. Figuring out how to sleep, where everybody's going. It's like, it's a big deal. It's hard.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, there were a lot of logistics to to handle for sure. I know for Connor and I, we had a blast.

• 42:15Cameron Hanes?

  Did you?

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I thought it was fun. I thought, you know, it was, I thought Connor really stepped up to the plate with taping your feet and shit.

• 42:22Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 42:23Speaker 01

  That was super cool, but just hopping from aid station to aid station and watching you come in broken and then leave, you know, just like, there's no other option but to keep going. It's pretty incredible. You know, Brantley and Caleb were definitely more vocal about how inspiring it was. I don't often vocalize that just because I'm like, you know, if you're inspired, do something about it. But it was, it was incredible to watch. I haven't seen anything remotely close to that, you know, to to watch somebody come in, how you were later on in the race and just like, there's no option. I have to keep going. I have to take another step. And especially when you had every right really to not even stand on the start line. I mean, broken foot,

• 43:08Speaker 01

  hamstring, you know, your granddaughter was expected soon, 57 years old. And yet, there you were and you finished in the top 20. It's incredible. With that, you know, I know I told you, I gave you a little shout out to the doubters and the haters in my interview.

• 43:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:26Speaker 01

  But that is at like mile 234, 235. So I was calling it a little early, but I had faith.

• 43:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Thank you.

• 43:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was super cool.

• 43:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's a, there's no way to ever describe what it takes to finish one of these things, but it takes a lot. Trust me.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  I'll, I mean, I don't, I don't know how you were feeling, but I could see, you know?

• 43:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's, it's for those people out there, and that's what I wanted to, in my live stream interview, I did say, I said, I know people are going to see this, they're going to be like, that looks amazing. And it is amazing, but. It's very, very, very hard. You will be miserable. So yes, this of course, in the sun heading to the finish line. Of course, this looks great, amazing, crazy. This is what I've always dreamed of. There's going to be times at two in the morning when it's pouring and you're by yourself where you're like, what am I doing here?

• 44:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:28Cameron Hanes?

  So yeah, I mean, it's all good. Aravipa, Jamil Curry. Amazing, amazing effort on putting together a number of incredible events, but the 250 is the crown jewel of it. They have a 125 and they have an 80 mile or two. But the amount of effort and work they put in for that live stream and to make it a good experience for runners to, basically this is a life-changing endeavor.

• 44:59Cameron Hanes?

  One way or another, whether you finish or not.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 45:01Cameron Hanes?

  Sometimes, sometimes people fail and they got to come back. They got to go back to work and shore up some weaknesses and then get back out there. But regardless of finish or not, it's going to change your life.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:14Cameron Hanes?

  And so shout out to those guys for doing such an amazing job and the volunteers are incredible.

• 45:22Cameron Hanes?

  I think the athletes.

• 45:27Cameron Hanes?

  I don't even know how to describe the athletes that do these things. It's, they're not normal. I mean, they are got to be some of the toughest people out there. It's, it's as hard as it gets.

• 45:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think what was really cool about the live stream is when you came in, it was funny. I had a couple of people that I haven't talked to in a while text me and they were like, am I seeing things? Or are you on the live stream with Kokodana 250?

• 45:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 45:49Speaker 01

  Are you watching it? They're like, yeah, you know, I've been tuning into the live stream. Like, that's pretty cool.

• 45:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  I think they're doing a good job of spreading kind of the sport and, you know, at certain times it had a ton of people viewing it. 13,000, 14,000 people. So it's pretty cool. I did want to ask before we get into the darkness of recovery.

• 46:11Speaker 01

  During the race, it seemed like to me that the nights were when like shit was hard, like cold, dark, tired. And then when the sun would come out, it almost seemed like you got a little boost of energy.

• 46:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 46:25Speaker 01

  So yeah, how do you kind of navigate that, knowing that that's gonna happen?

• 46:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, you just, that's just the name of the game. There's, you know, you push through, it gets dark a little bit. You know, you got some good daylight hours.

• 46:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:39Cameron Hanes?

  So you can push through to midnight, you're still kind of riding the evening sun, evening energy. But then around midnight, it starts to wane a little bit. One or two in the morning gets really rough.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:53Cameron Hanes?

  Three, you can kind of smell that sunrise coming a little bit. Four, maybe the sky is getting a little gray.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:59Cameron Hanes?

  But that time, and when normally you're sleeping every night, your body's saying, wait, what, what's going on? This is when we sleep. Ruffest time for sure. That's when you just really got to focus on, on covering miles. And they're gonna be slow. But once that sun starts rising, it's just like, we're, as humans, we're just used to like, okay, day's starting, everything changes.

• 47:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:24Cameron Hanes?

  The sun, the sun gives, gives you life, gives you energy.

• 47:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I know I asked you this before, but I thought it would be good to ask on the podcast again. When you are tired and beat down, and you know, you come into the aid station and you sleep for 30 minutes, 55, whatever it is, how hard is it to wake up and know you gotta put all your shit back on and get back out there and log more miles?

• 47:48Cameron Hanes?

  Can't think about it.

• 47:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:50Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, you can't, you get, you get energy into that, or you give energy to that. You're taking energy from what you, what you need to propel yourself. So it's just the name of the game.

• 48:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:01Cameron Hanes?

  Anytime, if you woke up and said, I don't think I can do it, I need more time,

• 48:08Cameron Hanes?

  wheels are gonna start coming off, I think. So I'm just like.

• 48:13Cameron Hanes?

  It's just, I don't know. It's just not, it's not really debatable or it's not really up for discussion. It's just like, no, I said, I'm going to leave by this time. I got to get up and get, start getting my feet put back together, start getting some calories in and, and get going. So, yeah, I'm just focused on what do I need to do to get moving?

• 48:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. Cause I'm thinking like, you know, it's hard for people to get up after eight hours of sleep doing nothing the day before. And yeah, I mean, all I want to do is tell everyone to shut the up and let me go back to bed.

• 48:47Cameron Hanes?

  Well, those people that struggle with that aren't going to be doing this race.

• 48:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 48:55Cameron Hanes?

  It's a, it's a unique set of challenges. It's multi-day. Okay. So ultra is how they work. I'm sure most people listening know, but 50K is the shortest ultra and ultra is anything over a marathon. 50 miler, that can be a pretty, that can be a long day for people for sure. Cause it's 19 more miles than a 50K.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 49:18Cameron Hanes?

  But it's still the same day. Right? You get it to the hundreds. Okay. Now you're getting, going through a night, but it's just one night and you can push through one night. Little kids, they stay over with their friends. Stay up all night and they're, those little can do it. So, so you can stay up all night running to get a hundred miles done. The multi-day, which is anything over a hundred, you know, the two, two 50, 300, like Arizona Monsters Taylor just did. But anytime you get over 200, now we're talking multiple nights, whole different game, whole different game. It's a whole, it's a, it's, you cannot predict how it's going to go. You can predict pretty well hundreds because.

• 50:03Cameron Hanes?

  There's just not the variables on the sleep and the nutrition and how people are gonna navigate the night or the second night. It's not the first night. The first night's okay. It's the second night when your brain starts, if you hadn't slept that first night, your brain starts doing weird things. That's where the hallucination starts. That's where poor decision making starts. That's where maybe drive will start to wane. But, so that's why 200s are this wild card, which you don't know what's gonna happen.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I don't think I'll ever touch 200 miles, but you never know.

• 50:40Cameron Hanes?

  It's rough. I mean, it's rough, but now, oh, good, baby.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, 100%.

• 50:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I don't even remember those hard times.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. So you always say you'd like track athletes, ultra runners to talk more shit.

• 50:57Speaker 01

  I feel like now's your chance. You had some people doubting. Somebody called you, you can't do this. You're an influencer. You know, people doubting that you would even finish. Top 20? Let's hear it.

• 51:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  Give him something. Come on, baby.

• 51:14Cameron Hanes?

  Hey.

• 51:16Speaker 01

  I'll be the anger translator. You.

• 51:20Cameron Hanes?

  It's a, there's really, I can't blame him for doubting me. I mean, if you, if you look at just the circumstances.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 51:29Cameron Hanes?

  There's not, not a lot going my way. I mean, what would be, what would be the positive? Or what would, what would give somebody confidence that I could finish?

• 51:39Speaker 01

  Got that dog in you.

• 51:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, right. Everybody says that shit. So, yeah, I mean, that's one reason why I like events like this. Because like I said, you can, you can go through life pretty easy and fake a lot of shit out there. You can act tough. You're not tough. You can act smart, but maybe you're not that smart. Maybe you know a few little things. You can, you can, uh, tell all these, you know, war stories from high school about what the athlete used to be. All that? That's fine. All those words. Show me. Show me. Okay. Yeah, I hear all that. That sounds great. Show me. This is a chance where you don't have to say shit. You just say, I'm lining

• 52:25Cameron Hanes?

  up for this 200 mile race and I'll see you at the finish. And if you can do that. You don't have to talk much shit.

• 52:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:34Cameron Hanes?

  Do you?

• 52:35Speaker 01

  No. That's good. I feel like there's not much anyone can say now. Can't imagine there is.

• 52:42Cameron Hanes?

  There will be.

• 52:42Speaker 01

  People will come up with something.

• 52:44Cameron Hanes?

  God bless them.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:46Cameron Hanes?

  But uh.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  God bless them.

• 52:47Cameron Hanes?

  No, I mean, and to be honest, I had to prove to myself as much as anybody that, you know, like I said, I did that interview before and I'm like, I gotta prove that I am who I say I am. I mean, like I said, words are cheap.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 53:00Cameron Hanes?

  And I did, I did, I've done some two hundreds, but when? When was that again?

• 53:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:05Cameron Hanes?

  Was that, how many years ago? Fuck, you still got that in you? And I'm like, I don't know. Guess we gotta find out. But yeah, so I proved to myself that,

• 53:17Cameron Hanes?

  you know, even after having no confidence that night before wondering what the hell I was thinking, it's like this is, you know, these are all freaks. I'm lining up with freaks, trying to run with them. And it's just like, I'm old. What am I doing? So, yeah, I mean, it's, uh, it feels good to, um,

• 53:39Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. It feels good to, to do what I set out to do. I mean, and it's a really big challenge.

• 53:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, people might be wondering, you know, we said it was touch and go. Maybe they think that was part of the touch and go, which it was, but I think most of the touch and go came after the race.

• 53:55Cameron Hanes?

  God. Yeah. So, I mean, here's the crazy part.

• 54:01Cameron Hanes?

  This, okay, first of all, this race is really hard. Example, the hospital said thirty runners came in from the race. So, three hundred and some runners, so ten percent had to go to the hospital.

• 54:14Cameron Hanes?

  Which, that may be a deterrent for some, but for a lot of people who do stuff like this, that's gonna be an allure. They're gonna be

• 54:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 54:23Cameron Hanes?

  drawn to that because it's like, whoa, okay, that's a challenge. That's what I like. But the reason why I know how many people went to the hospital is, and it wasn't necessarily from the race, I don't think.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  No.

• 54:35Cameron Hanes?

  But after the race, I don't know if my immune system was so shot from getting less than two hours of sleep in, in eighty-four hours. And I was just wide open to anything out there. But I got sick as hell. I have never been so sick. So, I went to the hotel, was feeling okay, actually slept pretty good that, that first night.

• 54:58Cameron Hanes?

  And then, yeah, woke up the next day. And I was supposed to fly out, I think that day, and I, I could not get out of bed. I mean, I was just like, I, I would take a, I would take a sip of water and puke. I would, let alone food. So for, I think, three days or something like that, I didn't, I could barely eat. And this is after my body had just used everything and more, and it needed fuel to recover. I couldn't even get water down. So I thought, yeah, I didn't really know what to do. I thought, I hate not hate whatever doctors, hospitals, I know, I just don't hate them. I just never go.

• 55:40Cameron Hanes?

  Cause usually they say, well, you know, whatever, keep your chin up champ. Yeah. You know, take an aspirin and we'll see in the morning. But, uh, so they hadn't really done much for me before. And I was just gonna ride it out and just be like, no, this is just some little, I don't know what this is, but I'll be fine. Wasn't fine. Could not, could not sleep, could not eat, could not drink. So finally Connor came in after, I don't know what day this was, you know, pushing back my flights because I couldn't leave this hotel room. And he's like, what do you think about going to the hospital? And I'm like, yeah. Cause I was like, yeah, I didn't know, I didn't know what to do.

• 56:22Cameron Hanes?

  And we went over there and, you know, got IVs and EKGs and all this shit. And, you know, the doctor said that she had seen like 10 people with, uh, what was that? Neurovirus. Neurovirus, yeah, neurovirus. And, you know, I told her, because she did all the stuff. It was just like, well, yeah, you're good, you're, you know, you could have had rabdo, rabdo, but now I've got two IVs since then. So it's hard to say, there's a little bit, you know, the markers were a little high, but not up to 10,000 like they would say would, would be rabdo. So they gave me this stuff, this anti-nauseous stuff, because I was, I puked in there twice.

• 57:01Cameron Hanes?

  Puked like six times in the hotel room that morning. And, uh, and then I was done. And then I was like, oh, wait, wait, wait. I said, so why was I puking? Cause it's like, this was so unrelated to race stuff that like the fallout from the race stuff. And then that's when she told me about the neurovirus. And I'm like, I said, so you think I just got that? And that it's just a coincidence? She's like, yeah. And I'm just like, okay, cool. Well, that was fun.

• 57:30Speaker 01

  Fucking terrible timing.

• 57:32Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, my God.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  Terrible timing to get neurovirus.

• 57:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Cause she said she'd see, I think 10 or 15 people that day with it. Cause it was, it had people that had been on the Arizona trail. I don't know. I don't know how the works, but anyway, we, we saw people on the waiting room puking and coughing and all sorts of other shit.

• 57:51Speaker 01

  You want to have a fun time? Your, your kids want to go to the amusement park?

• 57:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  Take them to the ER weight room. That's way more fun.

• 57:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, really. So, yeah, I mean, the doctor was great. The nurses were great. Everybody's great. I left there mostly taking, um, that, uh,

• 58:10Cameron Hanes?

  what is that? Zofran?

• 58:11Speaker 01

  Zofran, yeah.

• 58:12Cameron Hanes?

  So friend, so for the nausea, so I could eat. And once I could start getting calories in, my body was like, thank you.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:21Cameron Hanes?

  That, this is great. We could have used this a few days ago, but yeah, so they gave me, uh, and also gave me something to sleep. So I slept like, I don't know how much that night, got up the next day and had some Golden Grahams. I was like, good to go. Got a little bit frisky and got sick again, but, uh, my stomach wasn't quite back, but man, brutal.

• 58:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was, uh, I mean, we had an extra room key to your room and we were like,

• 58:47Speaker 01

  We're gonna walk into this room, this guy's gonna be dead? I mean, it was

• 58:50Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 58:50Speaker 01

  Rough.

• 58:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I've never been that sick.

• 58:53Speaker 01

  No.

• 58:54Cameron Hanes?

  And I, and I don't know, we don't, we didn't test for the, um, what the fuck was it again?

• 58:59Speaker 01

  Neurovirus.

• 59:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we didn't test for it. She's just saying she'd seen people with same symptoms and this and that. I mean, cause I did say, I said, could it be food poisoning? Cause you know, you know, aid stations and, and food sitting around and I'm just eating anything. She's like, mm, could be, you know, I mean, but the point is, I don't care what it was. I was sick as

• 59:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. With terrible timing.

• 59:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it was awful.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was rough, but, uh, man, when you did wake up that morning that was that Saturday, Sunday? Cause we flew back on Sunday. Yeah. And you were like, feeling better. It was like, oh,

• 59:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  We did it.

• 59:36Cameron Hanes?

  We'd been there so long. My God.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I was already like, at the end of the race, I was like, I was already feeling pressure cause so many people were there for me and I felt, like I said, I told you guys, I was just like, I said, I don't want this fucking crowd of people around me. I feel like a diva and I'm some dipshit that's not even part of like, not elite, not whatever. Why do I have a hundred people here? So I wanted, and, and plus I'm like, I need to get, I need to get this finished so we can get the out of here. So you guys can go home to your families because it's a big commitment. And so I felt pressure to get done, to get everybody home that had helped me. You know, the recovery strong, Taylor, everybody's got jobs and shit to do. Adam.

• 1:00:20Cameron Hanes?

  Bramley, Caleb have shit to do. You guys don't have anything to do.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:25Cameron Hanes?

  But

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  That's why we stayed.

• 1:00:27Cameron Hanes?

  But I wanted to get, let everybody get, and then after that, I wanted you guys to get home because it's like, I'd been there already all week. And now I'm three extra days or whatever the hell, just not leaving this hotel room. So yeah, I wanted, I felt, I was feeling pressure just to get, let's just get the out of here.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm glad we stayed.

• 1:00:47Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, man.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 1:00:50Cameron Hanes?

  I don't, I couldn't have flown anytime sooner than when I did.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:54Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, there's no way.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 1:00:55Cameron Hanes?

  I couldn't, I couldn't move.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  It's rough, but yeah, somehow got through it. Yeah, but.

• 1:01:05Cameron Hanes?

  What was, uh, yeah. So let's hear your guys' thoughts on this thing. Give me a summary.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  Summary.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  Probably, not probably, the most incredible display of human will, one, uh, from everybody involved, all the athletes, really.

• 1:01:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  I, I don't understand how, like, honestly, you, you were really in good spirits most of the time.

• 1:01:37Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Um, and I just, I know how I get when I'm in pain and I'm a asshole.

• 1:01:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  And a lot of people were in good spirits. I'm like, damn, I need to be a, a better person, but, um, yeah. So I'd say definitely the, the most impressive display of human will I've ever seen. Um, I, I'd also say that it's just like, kinda, it's, it seems like time moves differently for the runners compared to the people watching or, or the crew. It was like, okay, we're parked in a, a parking lot and, you know, being idiots for four hours waiting for you to come in, but you're running or moving the whole time.

• 1:02:16Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 1:02:17Speaker 01

  So it's kind of trippy just thinking about like, or when Rihanna is back at the Airbnb sleeping and you're running through the night. It's like, that's brutal.

• 1:02:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  So a lot of it is too, is like, okay, you know, there's a lot less to complain about for sure.

• 1:02:32Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  When people are pushing themselves that hard.

• 1:02:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And, you know, I don't know, I don't know why all those people went to the hospital. I mean, normally it's a heat related injury. This was hypothermia, I think, or the mud or just like, normally it's a lot of little things that add up to get you off the course, but even the most elite of the elites, Courtney dropped at 108, Max dropped at 130 some.

• 1:03:04Speaker 01

  No, no, he dropped at two, right at that Wildcat Hill. Yeah.

• 1:03:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, two, 230. Uh, Michael Vestige, I think is his name, who's, he won the original Kokodana. He lives right there. He dropped. I don't know why.

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, 166, I think.

• 1:03:19Cameron Hanes?

  166. It's just like, is Jesse Haynes who I mentioned, who's, who won Moab before Max did, he dropped.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  Oh, he did. I didn't know that. Oh.

• 1:03:28Cameron Hanes?

  So this is like, these are the best of the best. And for whatever reason, I don't know. I mean, you know, it's like these guys. I mean, it's a it's a real reason to get those guys off the course, right? I mean, this is what they do. This is their job. So it's like, it's hard. And you can't, you don't know what your body's gonna do. You don't know if your body's gonna respond, or if you're, it's just, it's just such an unknown. Because any one of those people I mentioned, I would put money on, well, Courtney, I thought she's, you know, win and break the course record. And she's the toughest human I've ever seen.

• 1:04:11Cameron Hanes?

  So for her to to drop, it's insane.

• 1:04:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:17Cameron Hanes?

  But, you know, legit, it's like,

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 1:04:21Cameron Hanes?

  It's, I don't doubt she had to, right?

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:04:25Cameron Hanes?

  It's just weird. It's just weird how you can't, you think you know, like, you think you know, like, okay, this person, she's gonna do this, uh, this guy probably get second, this guy should get third because he's a beast. And then, who knows?

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's not like she, you know, some little minor thing with any of them. Yeah, I mean, watching them drop is, that's kind of when it started to get serious is like,

• 1:04:50Cameron Hanes?

  No, somebody told me Courtney dropped. I'm like, no, no, she didn't.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  I saw the post pop up and it said, uh, well, my run's over. And I was thinking, she gonna, like, she's sleeping? Is that what she means? And then it was like, no, she's dropping. And I was like, no way.

• 1:05:05Cameron Hanes?

  I I thought, I thought somebody had screwed up.

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:08Cameron Hanes?

  Because somebody told me, I don't know if it was an age station, or maybe it was you, but said Courtney dropped. I'm like, no, she didn't. I was like, there's no way.

• 1:05:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:16Cameron Hanes?

  But, yeah, shit's serious.

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, really serious.

• 1:05:19Cameron Hanes?

  And I don't know if like, that first day was so cold and wet, she's so, you know, slight. I don't know if the cold really zapped her, you know, because it was so unanticipated. Most people for this race do heat training.

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:34Cameron Hanes?

  They're training in a sauna because it's going to be a million degrees. And now all of a sudden it was hail and rain and snow and wind. Brutal. If, because what happens is like you have these circumstances, you're anticipating and your problem solving for those circumstances and then it's a whole nother, like the exact opposite of this challenge. Yeah, it's hard, but I was, I was blown away by the carnage that this race caused.

• 1:06:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was, uh, it was rough. Larry, did you have any thoughts?

• 1:06:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, you and I kind of talked about our thoughts and mine are similar to yours, but I think the biggest kind of standout for me from the whole race was that second night coming into Fort Tuttle when there was just, there was no life in your eyes whatsoever. Like you were just, and you were dead. Um, and James and I were talking while you were getting that 55 minute power nap before you roasted alive. Um, and we were like, dude, I, like, I don't know if he's going to be able to keep going.

• 1:06:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:40Speaker 02

  Um, like we'd never seen you like that. We'd obviously been with you for the past few months, like watching you kind of deal with the, the aftermath of the foot causing the hamstring injury and not being able to finish that, that 50K and then not doing Boston. And, um, I think for me, it just kind of all came together and it was like you had every reason to not even, to not even start, you know? Like you could have had a million very valid excuses to not even put your body through that, to not even put yourself through that. Um, and yet you chose to anyways. And that same night, like you had your first grandbaby born.

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  It's like you had a million reasons that most people would completely understand to not be there in the first place. And, and then it just, it really struck me when you were stepping out after you did the whole mental health thing. And before you kind of went around that corner in the darkness and had your

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  heart to heart moment with yourself. Um, but you looked at everybody who was there and you were just like. You're like forty miles, you're like, let's just do it. He's like, I'm just gonna, I just gotta get this fuck over with.

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  And you just like, I watched you limp off and I was like, dude, like, to me, it like hit. Like all the times I think about, like, oh, you know, it's too late to go to the gym today. Or, you know, I don't really feel like running because I, you know, ran yesterday and I'm sore, whatever bullshit excuse that everybody comes up with. But it really put into perspective, like, none of, none of those are valid. Like, when you're pushing and when you have the mindset that it's like, there is no other option.

• 1:08:22Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  Like it really, everybody says that, you know, everybody kind of says that, but watching someone actually live that to me was, I mean, and I've been, I've been around a lot of really, really strong, tough individuals in, in my life so far and that to me was, was like a

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  that was a pretty strong moment for me. So that, yeah, that was, I think the biggest takeaway from.

• 1:08:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I, I said this to Brandon too, but it was like,

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  everything else I've seen you, you're basically invincible to me. It's like, you know, you are Superman. So to see you in the state you're in, basically beat down and boiled down to your core and still have that same discipline and motivation. It was like, this is for real, you know?

• 1:09:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Well, thank you guys. I mean,

• 1:09:21Cameron Hanes?

  yeah, that was, that was a rough patch right there. I'll tell you.

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that's what we're saying is like, that's a rough patch, but you're still, that's who you are at your core. If, if I could get, if anyone would listen to one thing I've said this whole time would be, this is just who you are. It's not this

• 1:09:37Speaker 01

  influencer bullshit that whoever said that said, it's like, show up, then you do it, you know, it's, it's the real deal.

• 1:09:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, thank you. Um.

• 1:09:50Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. I don't know. I don't. I don't feel tough most of the time.

• 1:09:57Cameron Hanes?

  And at that time, I just felt like this is just what I gotta do. And when you just don't give yourself any options, you know, 40 miles is a long way. It's like in 40 miles. Yes, again, when you're, when you did 200 already or 200 and what are 14 already.

• 1:10:19Cameron Hanes?

  It's, it's like a small percentage of that. But not that small. It's not, what is it 20%? It's like, it's still like that's it. 40 miles can take a while.

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:32Cameron Hanes?

  If you, did you go on a 40 mile run today?

• 1:10:34Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  I've never got on a 40 mile run.

• 1:10:37Cameron Hanes?

  Right. So it's like it'll test. That's what I say. When people see all this stuff and they see the finish line and they see the cool photos and they're gonna see this video. Maybe if I look as crazy as you guys say, say, maybe people will think differently, but you'll see all this and you'll see how amazing it looks. It is really hard.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:57Cameron Hanes?

  Don't be fooled. Get prepared. Cause it is really I, well, actually, so Truitt said so said something like, so all in all, was it not that bad? You know, since your leg held up and things like that, or I don't know what he's referring to. But I was like, well, no, it was that bad. And I said, I don't know how I finished this one. Or any of the other ones I've ever done. That's how hard they are. I have no idea how I did it. It is so hard. It's just like, you can't explain how, how bad it hurts.

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I hope we're able to convey that. And I think we will be able to. I mean, like, we got some good footage of you in the pain cave for sure. So. Yeah.

• 1:11:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no, I mean, I think two big advantages I had, well, not two, more than two, but. Connor and Rihanna with their medical background, it's just like they'll get in there and do whatever it takes. It's not like, like, oh, I'm a guy, I'm not going to touch some other guy's leg type thing. It's just like, no, this is, we've got to get, we've got to treat this.

• 1:12:09Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:12:09Cameron Hanes?

  So it's, that mindset is different and Rihanna was just doing everything. And then even Kevin from fricking Speedland, stud.

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:17Cameron Hanes?

  And he's in there just fixing my feet because my blisters and things like this. And it's like, having people like that, I couldn't have done it without, without those three people right there for sure. But then you have Taylor, who I trust as a Pacer. You know, and, and we've been together so many times in the mountains and he's a stud. He knows what to do, he knows what to take, he knows what good decisions to make. Adam, you know, selfless, went out there, paced with me, even though sometimes I'd say like, I don't need a Pacer during the day.

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:52Cameron Hanes?

  You know, I don't, I just, I don't want to deal with somebody else, I don't want to talk. But he was great, he was fine, is, it's like, even though if I got kind of pissy because I was tired and didn't, thought I wanted to do a section by myself, you know, I would. Or he would go, you know, then Logan went with me, I think on a couple of night sections.

• 1:13:11Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:13:11Cameron Hanes?

  And he's a great runner, he did good, doesn't talk, which is perfect.

• 1:13:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:17Cameron Hanes?

  Um, so yeah, it's like without, and then the Shaw brothers who were in that whole team, they would get there and just get everything set up. I mean, coffee, bed, so I could get in there and just, you know, other than Fort Tuttle, when I was like, where the [__] am I sleeping?

• 1:13:36Cameron Hanes?

  Um, but just so, I don't know, I just can't believe how, how giving and selfless every person was on, on, that was supporting me on my team. I felt like I had way too many people there, but every person contributed and contributed to my success.

• 1:13:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was cool. Can't wait to do it again next year.

• 1:14:01Cameron Hanes?

  Wow. You know.

• 1:14:06Cameron Hanes?

  Luckily, our memories suck. Because I'm already thinking it's just like, wasn't that bad? I mean, wasn't that bad? Wasn't that bad? Getting sick was, but that's not gonna happen every time. No, no.

• 1:14:22Cameron Hanes?

  It really wouldn't have been that bad without the sickness. Yeah, I mean, you, your brain is so messed up. You're just like, yeah, let's just forget all that brutal stuff where you felt like you'd rather be dead. Man, that was tough, dude. Yeah. These two hundreds are legit. Yeah, I mean.

• 1:14:42Cameron Hanes?

  What are you gonna do? I don't know.

• 1:14:45Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, got her done. Yeah, we did. Got the buckle. Yeah. Don't know how. Damn buckle. Damn buckle bunnies.

• 1:14:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Well, good shit. Do we have anything else on your note list? I think that was it.

• 1:15:04Speaker 02

  Speaking of buckle bunnies, I got a joke.

• 1:15:06Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, that's, there we go.

• 1:15:08Speaker 02

  We've had, we've had too long of a podcast without anything getting cut out, so.

• 1:15:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:13Speaker 02

  What do you call a lesbian dinosaur?

• 1:15:18Cameron Hanes?

  Scissor something. What is it?

• 1:15:23Speaker 02

  A lick a lot of puss.

• 1:15:26Cameron Hanes?

  I was going with the scissor, but yeah, lick a lot of puss. That's a good one. He's been saying that one around the house all day.

• 1:15:34Cameron Hanes?

  See how good he was? Yeah, no stuttering. No, look, look, look, look, no, he just. I know. Tell a joke, lick of me, boss. Are you proud of me? Well, I did find, okay, we're done with Ransom Canyon and the big jubblies. But we're now we're on Friends and Neighbors. Have you guys seen this show? With Jon Hamm? It's on Apple. Is it good? Yeah, really good. Funny? Uh. I know. Yeah, kinda funny. I mean.

• 1:16:04Cameron Hanes?

  It's just good.

• 1:16:05Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:16:05Cameron Hanes?

  So.

• 1:16:06Speaker 01

  To watch it.

• 1:16:07Cameron Hanes?

  That's my pro tip.

• 1:16:08Speaker 01

  I watched an episode of Naked Attraction. Have you seen this show?

• 1:16:13Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  This is nuts.

• 1:16:15Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  It's on HBO, it's British, and basically they bring in one, one contestant. And there's five people to choose from, but they start, they just expose the lower half and they're butt ass naked. And they show everything.

• 1:16:27Cameron Hanes?

  The lower half? Really? God.

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  And they do. And close ups.

• 1:16:33Cameron Hanes?

  What? Of their penis?

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  Penis, vagina. There's this one chick had a vagina and we were like, looks a little off, like.

• 1:16:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  What's going on there? Tranny.

• 1:16:45Cameron Hanes?

  Ask you a wild card there. Yeah, you gotta be careful.

• 1:16:48Speaker 01

  It's like, alright, we called that one from the beginning. Yeah, wild, so.

• 1:16:52Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 1:16:52Speaker 01

  I don't think I'll be watching anymore, but.

• 1:16:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, right.

• 1:16:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we've already got the popcorn going for tonight.

• 1:17:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, good shit.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:02Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I don't know. That's good. Larry, you got anything to close us out? That's it. I just have my joke that I've been saving all day. Okay.

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  We, uh, we're gonna have Brian on?

• 1:17:13Cameron Hanes?

  Brian? Who?

• 1:17:14Speaker 01

  Cowan?

• 1:17:15Cameron Hanes?

  Who?

• 1:17:16Speaker 01

  Cowan? Callan?

• 1:17:18Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  Do you pronounce that L?

• 1:17:19Cameron Hanes?

  Brian Callan, yeah. Um, I gotta ask him. I never asked him yet. I know, I know he wants us to go to the show, so. Oh, can go into the White House, I know that. Yeah.

• 1:17:32Speaker 01

  That's pretty sick.

• 1:17:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yep, yep. So we'll have to get that. I gotta, I gotta figure out who I can take. We gotta get, gotta capture it though.

• 1:17:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so I got invited by

• 1:17:50Cameron Hanes?

  RFK and, uh, some people call him forty seven?

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  Hmm, forty seven.

• 1:17:57Cameron Hanes?

  Big four seven? Big four seven? Yeah, so. Yeah, I think we'll be making a road trip, boys. Let me see if I got the invite. They're supposed to email me the invite.

• 1:18:05Speaker 01

  I call him big four five.

• 1:18:08Cameron Hanes?

  Well, he's both.

• 1:18:10Cameron Hanes?

  The two, two time, the double champ.

• 1:18:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:12Cameron Hanes?

  The double champ does what he wants. The double champ is here. No, I don't have my invoice, or I mean, my invitation yet. Um, but yeah, so that'll be fun.

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. He will have to decide who he can take, cause. This is gonna have to have his mouth shown sewn shut.

• 1:18:30Cameron Hanes?

  Cause your, your background check.

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. Gay.

• 1:18:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, tranny.

• 1:18:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. Drop him.

• 1:18:38Cameron Hanes?

  All right, guys. Thanks for tuning in to Shit Talkers Weekly, the Cocodona 250 recap. Thanks to everyone who helped me be successful, especially with, without these two right here. I swear, there's a chance I wouldn't be right here right now. It was, it was not good for a while and I told these guys, thanks, you guys probably saved my life. So, thank you, James and Connor.

• 1:19:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:02Cameron Hanes?

  All right, guys, keep hammering.