KHC 211 - Sh*t Talkers Weekly 33

We’re back with a new Sh*t Talkers Weekly episode! This week we’re covering the Last Soul Ultra race results, Matt Johnson’s finish of Project 7, some snippets from Cam’s recent B. C. sheep hunt, and more! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00 – Intro, Cam’s Sickness, and Hunt Travel 00:07:17 – Matt Johnson: 6 Ironmans in 6 Days 00:12:50 – Mark Dowdle: Last Soul Ultra Race 00:23:38 – Mike Egan: Last Soul Ultra Race 00:26:41 – Jeff Browning’s Injury 00:30:20 – Phil Gore 168 Hour Backyard Ultra World Record Attempt 00:34:42 – RIP Dolly Parton 00:35:34 – Ella Langley, Jelly Roll Hosting Late Night, & Elk Hunting 00:38:59 – Flesh and Bone TV Series 00:44:37 – The Assassanation of Jesse James TV Show 00:46:50 – Weight Loss from the British Columbia Sheep Hunt 00:48:20 – Running Pisgah with Brady Mcdonald 00:50:44 – Fred Bear Comparison Photos & More on the Sheep Hunt 00:56:25 – The Fight for Public Lands 0:01:24 – Final Thoughts & Upcoming Podcasts Thank you to our sponsors: Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off ALP: https://alppouch.com/ use code CAM for 10% off your first order Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 15% off Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 10% your order

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• 0:15Cameron Hanes?

  This is shit talkers weekly. Holy, holy shit. Thirty three.

• 0:21Speaker 01

  Thirty three.

• 0:21Cameron Hanes?

  Where have we been, dude?

• 0:22Speaker 01

  Aye.

• 0:23Cameron Hanes?

  It's been a while.

• 0:25Speaker 01

  We got abducted by aliens. It's been a long time. Well, it's been a long time. And then before that, we had James Visser. We had a guest shit talkers.

• 0:36Cameron Hanes?

  Right. So to the pure shit talkers, it's been a while.

• 0:39Speaker 01

  Been a while.

• 0:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 0:40Speaker 01

  People are angry.

• 0:41Cameron Hanes?

  The OG. I mean, we haven't done one. I had a gold tooth. The last time we did.

• 0:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. I knew there was something different about you.

• 0:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So that's how long ago it's been. But man, what a fricking grind. We're on shit talkers weekly thirty three. So guys, just remember, just remember, please, we don't know what we're gonna say. Actually, we do, because it's scripted. It is a hundred percent scripted scripted. But it is all love, baby. It is all love.

• 1:09Speaker 01

  And especially now it's all love, because you and I are changed.

• 1:12Cameron Hanes?

  I, dude, we are, our hearts got changed on the stone chief hunt in Northern B.C. With the legend Kurt McGee and Wes Yoder.

• 1:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25Cameron Hanes?

  Legends like the legend, let's see, he'll say legend A and legend one A.

• 1:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32Cameron Hanes?

  I think Kurt's a little bit higher.

• 1:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34Cameron Hanes?

  Right?

• 1:35Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah, he's got just a little bit.

• 1:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Forty rams under his belt.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  And just the craziest stories.

• 1:44Cameron Hanes?

  And, and like he's thirty. How, I don't know how you get forty rams at that age, but uh, I mean, he's, you know, we say, he hasn't killed him. He's guided him. I don't think he's even killed a sheep. But for the guy, it's basically, that's, it's kind of their animals, how we kind of determine it. Like, how many of you guided?

• 2:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04Cameron Hanes?

  Just like Reg, hundred and twenty five.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. Also a legend. Okay. Starting off, we might as well talk about that. YouTube.

• 2:14Cameron Hanes?

  What the fuck?

• 2:15Speaker 01

  What's wrong with you guys?

• 2:16Cameron Hanes?

  I know. We've, and how did that? So we took out every reference to,

• 2:23Cameron Hanes?

  God, now I just.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:25Cameron Hanes?

  Beers.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  That. Bleep all these.

• 2:28Cameron Hanes?

  All of these, Macy. Yeah. Um, so you take out every reference. Why is it still taken down?

• 2:37Speaker 01

  YouTube hates us.

• 2:38Cameron Hanes?

  I don't get it.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  We're victims.

• 2:40Cameron Hanes?

  We are. Yeah. We, we, uh, that's why we can't catch a break.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  Maybe in the appeal, Macy needs to put in there that we had a change of heart.

• 2:48Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, right.

• 2:49Speaker 01

  And we forgive YouTube.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  And it's all love.

• 2:56Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, um, what are we gonna talk about on shit talkers? Do we have a list?

• 3:01Speaker 01

  We got a list.

• 3:02Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 3:03Speaker 01

  It's been a while, so I had to go back and find some other lists. But I think we'll probably have some stuff that comes up organically and then this list. But we got to explain why you sound like you've been smoking cigarettes for.

• 3:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, God, I've got sick as shit somehow. So first of all, I don't, I didn't sleep. So we were in B.C. For about, about three weeks. And I didn't get one good night of sleep in three weeks. And also, on top of it, so stressed out from this freaking hunt. And just like, this is all gonna come down to one shot. So I was like, I had stress, no sleep. So anyway, on the heels of that, got the ram killed. Amazing. Couldn't have done it without, without the guys. We've said that in the captions. But getting home is,

• 3:57Cameron Hanes?

  it's very similar to Kokadon last year.

• 4:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:01Cameron Hanes?

  I think there's these sayings where when I lay everything I have out, I am fricking ripe for, for some sickness, illness, something to attach to me. So anyway, it's, uh, yeah, I got something after I got back and had a little fever. And so just kind of been, been battling that, shooting my bow a lot.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  When I, when I was younger, I used to know if I was really sick because I couldn't.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  You know, it's bad.

• 4:35Cameron Hanes?

  That's when you're, yeah, you're not even into that.

• 4:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I think that's, yeah. So I'm, I guess I'm pretty sick then.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. But, uh,

• 4:51Speaker 01

  anyways, a little, a little change of pace.

• 4:54Cameron Hanes?

  Anyway.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  Anyway.

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• 6:21Cameron Hanes?

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• 7:17Speaker 01

  We did miss the Lasso Ultra. So we gotta talk about that.

• 7:20Cameron Hanes?

  God, okay. Yeah. And even bigger than that, the Project Seven.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  That's on here.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  And I did message him and I said, I don't wanna, but I gotta talk shit on it.

• 7:35Cameron Hanes?

  No, okay. Let's get that out of the way. Matt Johnson, good job, buddy. You did your seven Ironmans in seven days.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  Six and a half.

• 7:45Cameron Hanes?

  Six and a half?

• 7:46Speaker 01

  He didn't do all seven.

• 7:47Cameron Hanes?

  What?

• 7:48Speaker 01

  That's what the shit I had to talk on it.

• 7:49Cameron Hanes?

  Why?

• 7:51Speaker 01

  So the sixth day he took, it took all day for him to complete it. And then they had a, an event on the seventh day planned. And he couldn't complain, complete the seventh Ironman before that event.

• 8:10Speaker 01

  So he did as much as he could up to that point. Now.

• 8:16Cameron Hanes?

  Please tell me he finished after this event. Please tell me he finished it off.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  And that's where my problem lies.

• 8:25Cameron Hanes?

  I didn't know all this.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  That being said, he did raise a lot of money for veterans.

• 8:33Cameron Hanes?

  That's awesome.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  It's a great cause. He raised, it was a good chunk of change. Um, but yeah.

• 8:39Cameron Hanes?

  Props, props for that.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 8:41Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, that's, that's actually the important part.

• 8:43Speaker 01

  And, and he did, it did seem like, you know, in, in the amount of time he gave himself, he laid it all out there. But in my mind, and I'm gonna use Buff Runner as an example.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  You know, we, we, in, in jest, in good fun, we talked a little shit, like fifteen days wasn't gonna happen. And he didn't hit it. But he didn't give up after fifteen days. He stayed out there and finished all thousand miles. And how can you not respect that?

• 9:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  You're still getting done what you said you were gonna get done. So.

• 9:13Cameron Hanes?

  I did, I, I, I get, so I've been involved, not personally, but in both sides of this before. So that Buff Runner one, that's a good one, finishing off when she started, no matter how long it takes, right? Um, when Truitt did his, wanted to get his first hundred done, he's doing a twenty four hour out here at Bristow. And in twenty four hours, he was at, I think, ninety miles. So this is, this is before he's fricking beast who he is right now. This is years ago. But, um, there's a rapid ninety.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 9:48Cameron Hanes?

  The race was over. And so I don't think, I can't remember when we discussed it. Must probably after we left. But I said, you know what Goggins would have done? And Goggins did do that at Moab. He fucking got pulled, was in ER, went back out on the course of finish. But I said, Goggins would have fucking got his hundred miles, whether it took twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven, thirty, whatever.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 10:13Cameron Hanes?

  Hundred miles is a goal. So, but there's a time when you've been pushing so hard and you've given all you've had every day and you hurt. I get that, hey, it's over, race is over. I did the best I could. And who's gonna say anything other than dumb fucks like us?

• 10:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's, it's all a good fun. Uh, Matt, you did a great job. And you were the one out there doing it. You did six and a half or whatever ended up being Ironmans.

• 10:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  That's still a crazy accomplishment. I just would have loved to see you after the event, get back out there. And I mean, how epic would that have been?

• 10:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that, that would have raised a lot more money.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:49Cameron Hanes?

  On top of it, just because people love to see that dog. You know what I mean?

• 10:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:53Cameron Hanes?

  And

• 10:55Cameron Hanes?

  so was called Project Six and a Half? What was it?

• 11:01Cameron Hanes?

  I just.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  And I do remember it is promo.

• 11:03Cameron Hanes?

  This is shit talkers. You can't, don't hold it against us.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  It's all love.

• 11:07Cameron Hanes?

  We're just having fun.

• 11:08Speaker 01

  And I do remember in his promo that he clipped our voices in. One of us, me, said, what's seven? Well, apparently seven is too much.

• 11:21Cameron Hanes?

  I think we even got beat up for that, didn't we?

• 11:23Speaker 01

  A little bit. People that didn't know that it was, uh, you know, we were just joking around, but.

• 11:27Cameron Hanes?

  No, hey, we're, we're on team Matt. We're on team Matt. I think this is just a very important lesson that we all have learned from.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:36Cameron Hanes?

  Right here.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 11:37Cameron Hanes?

  No, Matt, nothing but respect. Uh, good job. Um,

• 11:43Cameron Hanes?

  yeah, I don't, do you know how much he raised?

• 11:46Speaker 01

  I know the,

• 11:49Speaker 01

  the organization hit 500,000 lifetime. I don't know how much from the event.

• 11:54Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, sick.

• 11:54Speaker 01

  But a good amount.

• 11:56Cameron Hanes?

  Good job. Good job, Matt and his team. And yeah, way, way to push, way to, it's, it's hard coming up with these projects.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:03Cameron Hanes?

  You know, so I get it.

• 12:04Speaker 01

  And here's the other thing. I saw a video the other day of Matt, someone posted, not him, that he was in a bike shop and some kid was there. He had saved up his money all summer to buy a bike and Matt bought it for him.

• 12:16Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  And so, you know.

• 12:18Cameron Hanes?

  That's the kind of shit I like.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:19Cameron Hanes?

  So he's fucking whatever. He's.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 12:23Cameron Hanes?

  It's, it's really easy to be in the cheap seats and, and criticize. I mean, that's, the show is just love though, but it's like, I, I get it and I respect it. Um, you're doing great things. Keep it up.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:35Cameron Hanes?

  Let's keep dreaming bigger, uh, helping more people if we can, and just making an impact, like buying a bike for that kid. Fucking amazing.

• 12:45Speaker 01

  I think that was super cool.

• 12:46Cameron Hanes?

  Amazing. So I, I love it. I'm, we're, we're team Matt, just fucking talking shit.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Just talking shit. That's the name of the show. What do you expect?

• 12:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 12:53Speaker 01

  But, uh, yeah, okay. So back to the Lasso Ultra. We gotta talk about this.

• 12:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, this is, there's some drama in this one.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:01Cameron Hanes?

  So Mark Dowdle, one on one.

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Friend of the show.

• 13:06Cameron Hanes?

  Friend of the show. Where the fuck is he by the way?

• 13:09Speaker 01

  October 1st.

• 13:10Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  That work? Make sure it works before. He said that work. Cause he has bigs October 17th.

• 13:16Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 13:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. No, I, I think I told somebody else something about beginning of October now.

• 13:23Speaker 01

  Okay. Well.

• 13:24Cameron Hanes?

  Be nice if somebody could keep tracking this shit, but yeah, let's do it.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  Okay. You heard it here first, folks.

• 13:29Cameron Hanes?

  Then he can be here for my birthday.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  Perfect. It'll be a, a marked out of birthday present.

• 13:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And okay, so 306 miles, Lasso Ultra, Kim Gotchawago, what's it?

• 13:41Speaker 01

  Gottwald?

• 13:42Cameron Hanes?

  Gottwald, yeah. Uh.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Well, German, Gottwald.

• 13:47Cameron Hanes?

  Whatever, but these guys, they're also complete savages, but also put on amazing events.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 13:54Cameron Hanes?

  This like with the coins and all this shit that he did.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  The coverage?

• 13:58Cameron Hanes?

  So sick.

• 13:59Speaker 01

  Incredible.

• 14:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So and rapid, I think is his brand.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:02Cameron Hanes?

  Crushing it. I love those guys. Hit, I love Kim, Alex, of course Mac or, uh, fucking, Mark, um, Dowdle, all the guys that were competing in that is, is incredible, but Mark, I think he showed up, I think he had travel issues, had to charter a fucking private jet.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think Kim chartered a private jet for him.

• 14:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  And he showed up like 15 minutes before the race started.

• 14:29Cameron Hanes?

  And normally like, i- if you know anything about ultras or like stuff like this, these people are so, I mean, I'm like the antithesis of this, but they're so structured. All their stuff is so perfect. Showing up 15 minutes is like disaster for most people because you want to get your sleep in before, you need to get the calories in your, your carb load.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Your shakeout run.

• 14:53Cameron Hanes?

  Your shakeout run, all this shit. And then for Mark to do that and then also go and crush it? And beat everyone? It, it's, it's unreal, dude.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  I don't, uh, I don't know. I, I, I, I texted him. I said, I'm at a loss for words because what is his ceiling?

• 15:11Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. It didn't look like he was even close to it.

• 15:14Speaker 01

  I mean, I, you know, after every race, he says he has his dark moments out there and sure you can see it, but then he always comes in and he always turns around and always keeps running. So it's like.

• 15:24Cameron Hanes?

  And at the end, he seems like he's just sitting here, looks like with us.

• 15:27Speaker 01

  Sit down, has a press conference, gets in the common commentator's booth. I mean.

• 15:32Cameron Hanes?

  How? It is, I mean, it, it is seriously incredible. I'm so impressed with that kid. It's like, and is he like 25?

• 15:43Speaker 01

  He's 28.

• 15:45Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:46Cameron Hanes?

  Still a kid. 30 years younger than me, so I can call you a kid.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:51Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, what a fricking beast. And he's huge for a ultra runner. I don't know, understand that. He looks like he's like 200 pounds.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:00Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, I'm just, he definitely is, I don't know. He's, he's a, a name in the space for sure. Like one of the biggest names, I mean, between the backyard, I think Harvey and him.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  Phil Gore.

• 16:15Cameron Hanes?

  Phil Gore.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  Which is on my list to talk about.

• 16:17Cameron Hanes?

  Oh yeah. He's, these guys are freaks, dude. I love it.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  I, I think, I don't know, you know, and, and he also, while he's doing it, he has these incredible quotes.

• 16:29Cameron Hanes?

  How? How's his brain even work?

• 16:31Speaker 01

  I don't know. And I mean, we, I, I don't know how long ago it was when we first talked about him, but not as well known. I think he only had 30,000 followers or something, and it's so cool to see all of his hard work paying off.

• 16:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 16:44Speaker 01

  Like everything, you know, he said he was gonna do, he's done and, and he's finally getting recognition for it. And all these people know who he is and, and know his mindset. It's like, it's just super cool.

• 16:55Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I don't even know. Maybe he's full of complete shit, but it sounds so good where he says that like his identity is not as a runner.

• 17:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:05Cameron Hanes?

  And not to go win the race. It's not, he's not, the goal isn't to win the race. The, the goal is to see what he's capable. It's like, it sounds so good. And like, he's, he's a, a child of God, so he's not defined by being a runner or being the champion.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 17:20Cameron Hanes?

  It's just, and I'm like, how the hell can you have this of perfect of an attitude?

• 17:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, you can't even say that it's easy to say that when you're in the winner's seat because he is.

• 17:32Cameron Hanes?

  It's not, when you're in the winner's seat, you want to, you want to be like, yeah, you fuckers. I showed you, I showed you. And I told you the whole time. I've worked, people, I want to say like, I've worked too hard to fail. And then forget about the, the, the God's blessing and the, the gifts you've been given to, that you're bestowed upon that give you this edge and you want to take all the credit. That's what most people do when they win. They want to, they like, it's about me, right? And he's, he's not.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  No.

• 18:02Cameron Hanes?

  I don't, so you say it would be easy. It's easy. Once you win, but sometimes the ego gets out of control when you win.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 18:10Cameron Hanes?

  And it hasn't with him.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  No, I mean, he had that quote. He said, uh, every step is evidence that the, what did he say? The story in your mind is a lie? And that was on like lap 84 and then he yells forward.

• 18:27Cameron Hanes?

  Well, and then he's also fucking with the guy.

• 18:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, we gotta talk about that because there's a split. There's a split. Some people think it's unsportsmanlike.

• 18:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 18:36Speaker 01

  Other people.

• 18:37Cameron Hanes?

  So there was a heat signature camera. I don't know what it was, but anyway, it showed like the two runners, two, two left. The guy in front of him, I think he was staying right behind him, right?

• 18:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:49Cameron Hanes?

  Right, right on his ass.

• 18:50Speaker 01

  We gotta talk about the lap before because.

• 18:53Cameron Hanes?

  Because the slow one?

• 18:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, Mark was slow and he was kind of laying down and stretching and he only made it back in with, I think, three minutes left.

• 19:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, or two or something. It's close.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  And, um, ELO, when it was, kept going out hot. And so Mark turns around, doesn't even go into his tent hardly, gets his nutrition or as much as he could. And ELO goes hot, out hot, and Mark is right on his heels.

• 19:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  I mean, that has to be such a mind fuck. 87 laps in.

• 19:22Cameron Hanes?

  And for people that don't, most people know, but the backyard ultra is 4.2 miles every hour. You finish within the hour, whether it takes you 30 minutes or an hour or 59 minutes, you either have 30 minutes off or a minute off, but you have to be at the line to start the top of the next hour.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:39Cameron Hanes?

  So he came in, what we're talking about, 58 minutes. He only had two minutes to, to hydrate, to get some fuel, whatever, not, not, you can't even rest, but so it wasn't looking good. When you're, when you're that close to cutoff, that far in, you're like, oh, is this, he's kind of fading. It looks like he maybe, might be over. So instead of like, oh, he got weak, then this ELO took, Ella or whatever, took off fast. Mark stayed right on his ass. The guy couldn't get, couldn't get away from him. So he got frustrated, stopped, Mark stopped. They're both stopped.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  Mark, Mark acting like he's tying his shoe.

• 20:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Both stopped. This guy like, he throws up his hands, like he's so frustrated. This is like four days in with no sleep, right?

• 20:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:23Cameron Hanes?

  And, uh, and then, so I think we heard reports that Mark was barking at people.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was barking out there and yelling and.

• 20:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  I, I don't know. This is the thing is no one really, that was lap 87 that all this happened. No one really knows what happened on lap 87. Cause it's all, like you said, just heat signature camera.

• 20:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 20:43Speaker 01

  And, uh, and I mean, I was watching it live right there in our hotel room.

• 20:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 20:49Speaker 01

  And, uh, and people are like, oh, he tripped him. You go back and watch it. He was nowhere near him when ELO decided to stop.

• 20:55Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:56Speaker 01

  He pulled off and then he laid down.

• 20:58Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 20:58Speaker 01

  Mark kind of looked at him like, should I wait? And then he took off.

• 21:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  38 minute lap.

• 21:04Cameron Hanes?

  Was, was it on that lap?

• 21:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:06Cameron Hanes?

  That was 38? Cause I remember.

• 21:07Speaker 01

  They were cooking.

• 21:08Cameron Hanes?

  I texted you and I was just like, fucking 38? That is flying. And that was days into this thing.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  87 laps in.

• 21:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  I mean, that's 87 hours.

• 21:18Cameron Hanes?

  That's 300 and what is that? Like that's almost 400 miles. Or wait, no, no, no.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  Four times.

• 21:26Cameron Hanes?

  Four times 87 is 320. Right?

• 21:30Speaker 01

  So it would have been.

• 21:31Cameron Hanes?

  So no, it couldn't have been that. Was it?

• 21:33Speaker 01

  It was, it was 87. Cause it was 84 laps. So 87 times.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it'd have been like three hundred and sixty-five.

• 21:43Cameron Hanes?

  How many miles did he go?

• 21:45Speaker 01

  Let's see, ninety-four times four point one, three hundred and ninety, three hundred and ninety-two.

• 21:51Cameron Hanes?

  So anyway, deep into the race.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:54Cameron Hanes?

  And he's crushing a thirty-eight minute lap.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  To have twenty-two minutes?

• 21:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 21:59Cameron Hanes?

  That's a long time.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  It's dangerous for a guy.

• 22:02Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know how his, he'd get his leg turned over that, that quick, that late into it.

• 22:08Speaker 01

  I don't need, and after cramping and.

• 22:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  I don't know. I mean, he is an animal.

• 22:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I don't, I don't get it. I wonder what his, like, is that his talent just for that? Because he seems too big for a straight up, like, hundred.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  I don't know. He won Arrowhead one thirty-five, but that's different.

• 22:29Cameron Hanes?

  It is.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  Cause you're towing shit, yeah.

• 22:31Cameron Hanes?

  So it's like more muscle helps. I'm just wondering, I know he used to do the beer miles, right?

• 22:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:38Cameron Hanes?

  So he's gotta have some speed. I wonder what he, what like a, what do you do a hundred in?

• 22:43Speaker 01

  I wonder. I'd like to see it. I'd like to see him in a, in a traditional ultra.

• 22:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 22:48Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, and then, man, ELO's last lap also was just so good, like, just pulls off into the field and lays down.

• 22:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 22:57Speaker 01

  It's like so good.

• 22:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  Ah, I mean.

• 23:00Cameron Hanes?

  Lot of drama there.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  That, I can't wait for the film about that. It's gonna be so sick. And if it's anything like their coverage was, it'll be above and beyond.

• 23:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's a, I really love what they're, what, I, I don't know if it's just Kim or his team, but man, they're making an impact on the space.

• 23:17Speaker 01

  I mean, it seems like it's a whole team. Kim has been super forward about, you know, um, appreciating the team that made that happen, which is super cool. But also, I'm sure something like that takes a whole team, so.

• 23:28Cameron Hanes?

  Man, yeah, they're, they're crushing it. So congratulations to everybody there. Mark, dude, you're a fucking, I don't even know what you are.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  I don't either.

• 23:36Cameron Hanes?

  But I'm impressed.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  Is it MJ Egan?

• 23:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  He was there too?

• 23:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:41Cameron Hanes?

  How'd he, I, I guess I didn't see how far he went.

• 23:44Speaker 01

  He did twenty, man, was it twenty?

• 23:46Cameron Hanes?

  Like eighty miles?

• 23:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wanna say it was just under twenty-four maybe, or was it just over twenty-four?

• 23:52Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, man. Anyway, he's.

• 23:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:55Cameron Hanes?

  He's like, he was made famous basically for his grit showed during the BPN, like in a wheelchair. Mud just like caked on everything. He's still out there like pulling his wheelchair, just freaking stuck.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  I loved it afterwards. He was like, everyone was showing their feet and he's like, oh, you guys gotta check this out. It goes down to the wheels on his wheelchair.

• 24:17Cameron Hanes?

  God, that guy is a legend too.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:21Cameron Hanes?

  That's what I love. I just love stuff like this, cause we're learning about these new people or people that we wouldn't have. And, and we're seeing, wouldn't know him otherwise, but we're seeing them just, just push and just like show the human spirit and it's, and it's just ultimate form. And it's like, it's inspiring to people.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 24:42Cameron Hanes?

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• 25:26Cameron Hanes?

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• 26:05Cameron Hanes?

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• 26:51Cameron Hanes?

  He's over at UTMB and, uh, I'm not really sure what happened, but the, I, I haven't, I haven't got the, the, all the details, but I heard that he fell and hit his head and he broke his glasses. And I think he was joking around and somehow the fall or maybe the, the impact on his head, the speculation is that it led to a heart attack and now he's in coma. So I don't, I don't,

• 27:24Cameron Hanes?

  I haven't heard anything, but I'm like, was there a brain bleed? Did that, I don't know, that could lead to heart attack. I didn't know what happened, but it's, all I know is he's in the hospital in coma and it's just, it breaks my heart.

• 27:39Speaker 01

  I mean, Jeff is such a nice guy. I mean, he was here.

• 27:43Cameron Hanes?

  Such a legend.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  I know. Yeah.

• 27:44Cameron Hanes?

  I love that guy. And it's like, he loves the ultra space and ultra community and just to be over there. You know how he was. He's so excited about to talk running. Imagine at UTMB, that's like, I mean, probably one of the greatest weeks of his life to, to hang out, to see everybody and just to be on a high. And then also to be racing and he's, he's very fit.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:12Cameron Hanes?

  I, I just, I really hope he's okay.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, me too.

• 28:16Cameron Hanes?

  Freaking kills me.

• 28:17Speaker 01

  Definitely thinking about him and keeping his family in my prayers. And that's the other thing too, is, you know, I think about his family and how much he loves them and talks about them.

• 28:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 28:26Speaker 01

  You know, that, that's just, it's scary. Um, and especially, I feel like I didn't hear the thing about him hitting his head.

• 28:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  But for us, that hits close to home with Coca-Cola. It's, you know, that stuff is so serious. And again, it's, you know, it's fun to, to follow these things and to see these races, but it, you're putting yourself at risk. You know, these things are dangerous. It's not all fun and games. And so I, I, I definitely hope he's okay too. It's, it's terrible. I, I woke up this morning and I saw from his account like that long post and I was like, you always see those long posts and it's like, I hope it's not something bad.

• 29:04Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I know. I was gonna try to get ahold of Dylan. I didn't know if Dylan was over there filming or I was gonna try to, I know Max is over there, but then I'm like, just gotta let his family and let them deal with it instead of trying to figure out the news. All I know is that, you know, we're gonna be praying for him. And praying for recovery and, and praying for his family and, um, I don't know, just, it breaks my heart. I, I just, it doesn't sound, obviously coma's never good. Heart attacks aren't good. Head injuries, none of it's good.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:38Cameron Hanes?

  So let's just hope for a miracle here.

• 29:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, that's definitely, uh, what we'll be doing.

• 29:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I love you, love you, Jeff. Old, old Bronco. It's just like, I mean, he's, he's an icon.

• 29:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:52Cameron Hanes?

  And, uh, sport needs him and loves him, so.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. We're thinking about you, Jeff, and, and Jeff's family and, and, and everybody else too. So.

• 30:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  Well, let's hope for good news.

• 30:02Cameron Hanes?

  I know. It's a, it's a big week over there. They started, I think they got races all week, um, culminating with the big one. You know, Courtney's in, Rachel's in, um, yeah.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:16Cameron Hanes?

  All the big names, but I don't know. It's kind of a cloud over now.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely. Um, we, we mentioned, uh, Phil Gore earlier.

• 30:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  He's currently doing his hundred and sixty-eight hour attempt at the world record for the backyard solo. I, I do wonder if he gets this, if it'll be like a, a Kipchoge thing, when he ran the first, uh, sub-two marathon.

• 30:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So there's no competitor?

• 30:41Speaker 01

  No.

• 30:41Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  Just Phil.

• 30:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, see, uh, it's not really the spirit of backyard ultra then.

• 30:50Speaker 01

  Well, if that's being said, then the competitiveness of Mark and ELO, if the spirit is to push each other to the furthest length, is that frowned upon? Is what Mark did kinda, you know?

• 31:06Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, instead of encouraging?

• 31:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:08Cameron Hanes?

  And like, hey, we're on the same team?

• 31:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I don't know. It's a, yeah, mind games are part of competition for sure. Um, I don't know.

• 31:19Speaker 01

  I think about it like, I like it. I like a little fire.

• 31:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  I like, you know, okay, big, big sports stars like, um, Michael Jordan used to talk so much shit.

• 31:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  And I love it. Uh, I think it.

• 31:32Cameron Hanes?

  Me too.

• 31:32Speaker 01

  If, if anything, it has drawn more attention to the sport.

• 31:35Cameron Hanes?

  I think the sport needs, it needs it, needs passion. That's passion.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:39Cameron Hanes?

  That's it. You know, it does, it doesn't have to be poor sportsmanship. It's just like, no, I wanna win, you wanna win, we both can't fucking win.

• 31:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:47Cameron Hanes?

  So what's it gonna be? I love it.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:50Cameron Hanes?

  That's life, dude.

• 31:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, there was a lot of people complaining like classic American and all this and it's like, I mean, if we wanna talk about competitive, let's start with the Germans.

• 32:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah, no kidding. Fucking badasses.

• 32:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, but so I think, um, Phil is currently ninety-six, well, ninety-seven hours in. So he's got a long ways to go.

• 32:14Cameron Hanes?

  How many, what does he have to get?

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Hundred and sixty-eight.

• 32:18Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, God.

• 32:18Speaker 01

  Hours. He wanted to do it for a whole week.

• 32:21Cameron Hanes?

  A week?

• 32:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so it's like, that's getting to be a little bit different. It's, cause then it reminds me of like, you know, that we've talked about that record that, um, uh, Ned Brockman was going after a thousand miles on the track. So I guarantee he didn't take breaks. You know what I mean? To get, to get a hundred miles a day. I mean, he had to take, they had to sleep at some point.

• 32:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 32:47Cameron Hanes?

  But it's like, it's getting a little different when it's just a solo effort as opposed to the last man standing.

• 32:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, right. It's definitely, there's different, there's a, a different atmosphere to it.

• 32:59Cameron Hanes?

  So it's like, is he trying to go as, so what's the record? As far as he can go?

• 33:08Cameron Hanes?

  With doing four point two every hour?

• 33:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:12Cameron Hanes?

  Cause that's really the only rule.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, and maybe he's just doing it to see what the human body's capable of.

• 33:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  You know, if.

• 33:19Cameron Hanes?

  Like you said, Kipchoge.

• 33:20Speaker 01

  Right. You know, if he's able to do that, maybe it'll then further the races. I don't know, but I know one guy that could probably get up there.

• 33:31Cameron Hanes?

  I know. I want to. So those, they haven't raced, huh?

• 33:34Speaker 01

  No.

• 33:35Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. That'd be a good one.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. I want to see Mark, Phil and Sam Harvey. Cause there's a little, there's a little beef between Sam and Mark.

• 33:43Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 33:44Speaker 01

  I mean, seems like it, you know, Mark during the race.

• 33:48Cameron Hanes?

  Harvey. Was he in it?

• 33:49Speaker 01

  He's the, he was the assist to Phil Gore's one nineteen.

• 33:52Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, okay.

• 33:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, and he was the coach, he was ELO's coach.

• 33:57Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  So he was there and during it, Mark comes up to the camera and he's like, I have a message for Sam Harvey. You know, I didn't come here for a hundred and sixty eight souls. I came here for all hundred and sixty nine.

• 34:11Cameron Hanes?

  I love that shit, dude. I love, that's cinema there.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then afterwards, you know, Mark's giving a speech and he's like, you know, how proud he was of everybody, even the people that he kind of butted heads with and he pointed over to their camp. So.

• 34:25Cameron Hanes?

  Ah, yeah. Well, easy. After you win, that's easy.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I know I wouldn't want to be on that side of Mark.

• 34:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  I'm good being on the friend of the show side.

• 34:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he's a little nuts, seems like.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:40Cameron Hanes?

  In a good way.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:41Cameron Hanes?

  All love, Mark.

• 34:43Speaker 01

  Well, we also talk, got to talk about Dolly Parton.

• 34:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  Who passed away yesterday.

• 34:47Cameron Hanes?

  I know, I know. Yeah. Icon, another icon.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 34:52Cameron Hanes?

  Industry plant.

• 34:55Cameron Hanes?

  I've been, what, this is like the new thing now. It's like, cause people say that about Jelly Roll too.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 35:01Cameron Hanes?

  You know, it's just like, what is, what is going on? Is everything a conspiracy? I think Dolly Parton was just fucking been through poor, been through so much shit, became the giant star. And now she passed away. That's sad.

• 35:19Speaker 01

  Can we leave it at that?

• 35:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Isn't that, does it have to be fucking paid by Israel too or something?

• 35:26Speaker 01

  I think somebody with that long of a career, you can't call, I thought an industry plant was like, somebody that comes from nowhere and rises to fame way too quickly.

• 35:34Cameron Hanes?

  Ella Langley, industry plant.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  Industry plant. And Ella, if you want to come on and defend yourself.

• 35:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Well, speaking of that, do you see that little video clip of her like going up to the stage, like dancing? It is like, what is this song that they're playing?

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Oh, was it when she came out?

• 35:55Cameron Hanes?

  Staying Alive, Stay, something like that.

• 35:57Speaker 01

  No.

• 35:58Cameron Hanes?

  No, it's like, I could watch it a hundred times. Like she's walking out with, I think there's a few other like on her team. And they're just walking, it'd be like backstage going to the stage.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:10Cameron Hanes?

  And she's just like skipping and like doing this dance thing and it's just like mesmerizing. So if the industry plant people made her be able to do that, well done. You fucking crushed it.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  Good job, BB.

• 36:25Cameron Hanes?

  So, yeah. So Macy, find that clip.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:28Cameron Hanes?

  But uh, anyway, I don't really know what the whole industry plant stuff is lately. It's just like, that's what, you know, oh, there's another thing. So MAGA lost their shit because Jelly Roll's hosting Jimmy Kimmel, made some jokes about Trump. And now they're just like, want to cancel him. I'm like, what the fuck are you guys talking? You can't joke? It's a late night TV show. What the fuck is this? And have you heard the shit Trump says about people?

• 36:57Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. So are those not jokes?

• 37:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  Cause we got some, we got plenty to cover there if they're not jokes.

• 37:03Cameron Hanes?

  Crazy. But uh, yeah. So Jelly Roll hosting late night, which is, or I don't know what show it is, but it's Jimmy Kimmel's show. But uh, seemed like he's doing good.

• 37:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:14Cameron Hanes?

  And also we're going elk hunting.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:18Cameron Hanes?

  I think.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  Stay tuned.

• 37:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah. That's, that's the plan. But uh, yeah. So I did say, I go, cause this elk hunt is, it's any weapon. So I said, if we're not feeling confident with the bow, are we good to have a little backup with the rifle? Or are you good with that? And I said, I go, you know, what most people's first bull is killed with a rifle. I said, so it's not like a failure.

• 37:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:46Cameron Hanes?

  So, and he said he could do that. Cause he got, he got the pardon too.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 37:50Cameron Hanes?

  So uh, anyway, we got, we got some options there. Just bow hunting. I just don't, I wanted to be positive.

• 37:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:56Cameron Hanes?

  You know, it's so fucking hard. But uh,

• 37:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:01Cameron Hanes?

  Was that your, what was your, what were we talking about?

• 38:04Speaker 01

  Dolly.

• 38:05Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, Dolly. Yeah. Did you have anything to?

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Well, I liked what Jelly Roll said, which was she might be the last American that everybody liked, but it sounds like you were able to find some people that didn't like her.

• 38:14Cameron Hanes?

  No, they're saying she's an industry plant. It's just like, how do you, how do you have shit to say about Dolly Parton?

• 38:21Speaker 01

  I was thinking about this actually yesterday, not, not really that, but it kind of ties in is like, our lives have been so upended. We've been shown a little bit of like what's going on behind the scenes. And, and I've been out of the country. We were just in Canada, but I was like, and I've been to South America and I was thinking about Japan and I was like, I don't even know if it exists.

• 38:43Cameron Hanes?

  I don't, I mean, it's a rumor.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  It's like, everything doesn't have to be a conspiracy theory.

• 38:49Cameron Hanes?

  No, it's, I, I doubt it. I don't think there's, I think the earth's flat actually.

• 38:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, we saw the ice wall in, in Canada. So.

• 38:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Well, also my whole existence is fucked. Cause I was watching the show on ballet. It's this series, pretty good. Flesh and bone is called. And I'm like, oh, it's kind of cool. I like, like the, the, it's kind of like, did you see Whiplash?

• 39:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:15Cameron Hanes?

  The drummer. So anyway, the guy's kind of like that, some hardcore fucking yelling at these dancers and ballet is fucking hard, dude. These, these, they're fucking shredded. But anyway, the lead girl, there's like something with her brothers, like she left home and then he was, he was like chasing her down. And I'm like, did he rape his sister? It's like, what's, what's going on? And then I'm like, okay, that's no wonder she fucking alcoholic father. I'm like, okay, it's kind of sounds shitty. Brother tracks her down in New York. She says, get, get the hell away from me.

• 39:58Cameron Hanes?

  Good, good. Then she goes back for Thanksgiving on this last episode and I'm just like, okay, well, I guess it's the only family she has. You probably, you know, you, you love them and whatever, probably it's complicated. And then she goes into her brother's bedroom.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  Oh no. Oh no.

• 40:25Cameron Hanes?

  And lays down beside him.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  No.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 40:30Cameron Hanes?

  And then they talk about the baby they had.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  No!

• 40:37Cameron Hanes?

  A girl.

• 40:41Cameron Hanes?

  And I'm like, I can't fucking watch this show.

• 40:45Cameron Hanes?

  What?

• 40:46Speaker 01

  Who wrote that?

• 40:47Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, the gay stuff in every show, movie, commercial has been enough. I mean, and I'm fine. You fucking be gay, whatever. But.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  I think.

• 40:57Cameron Hanes?

  Do I need to see it on every show?

• 40:59Speaker 01

  I think we need to find.

• 41:01Cameron Hanes?

  And now incest?

• 41:02Speaker 01

  The writers of that show and we need to check their hard drives.

• 41:05Cameron Hanes?

  And beat the fuck out of them.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  What is that?

• 41:07Cameron Hanes?

  What? Yeah. I mean, cause what I was saying is like, I liked the show. It was gritty. She got a job in a strip club because she's like, whatever. And she's been through all this shit, but then she's this amazing star that was, she hadn't danced in three years. And now she's like, they're creating this whole, this whole, um, whatever the fucking ballet is for her to star in. Isn't that enough? What, why do you need incest? And it's like, oh, you know what this is missing? You know what would make this so just perfect? It's like, what? Who the fuck can watch?

• 41:48Speaker 01

  And who thought of it?

• 41:51Cameron Hanes?

  Why? I mean.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  That's like the, um, the smut books. Have you heard of those? They're like books that are basically just porn, but for nerds.

• 42:05Cameron Hanes?

  Well, no, I haven't, but it makes sense that, that you have.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  But there's shit like that. I think there's incest and weird.

• 42:12Cameron Hanes?

  You said, you, did you say you think?

• 42:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. From what I've heard.

• 42:20Cameron Hanes?

  I, I don't know. I mean, I'm,

• 42:24Cameron Hanes?

  I'm, I'm old school, but is uh,

• 42:28Speaker 01

  Is that old school?

• 42:29Cameron Hanes?

  Is that what you guys are into nowadays?

• 42:32Speaker 01

  We got bigger issues if that's what people are into.

• 42:34Cameron Hanes?

  God, I just, I, yeah. So anyway, I liked the show. Now it's fucked. So.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  I mean, I guess it's not the only thing that's fucked.

• 42:44Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 42:45Speaker 01

  She is too.

• 42:47Cameron Hanes?

  God.

• 42:48Speaker 01

  That's crazy. Well, maybe you'll find out if the baby comes out normal.

• 42:54Cameron Hanes?

  They said they had it. I don't know what.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  Were they step siblings? Is there a loop? I'm looking for a loophole.

• 43:00Cameron Hanes?

  That's what I thought. So I looked up Rotten Tomatoes. I'm like, is this actually fucking incest or is it like, I've seen the stepbrother movie. You know, stepmom.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  I've seen, that's one of my favorites.

• 43:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. It's a backdoor slut nine with.

• 43:21Cameron Hanes?

  So I'm like, there's got to be some loophole. There's always a loophole. And uh, so I look it up. Is it, is this actually, and it is. And it's like, oh, is, we wanted to develop this character. And it's like this, this taboo subject. Like, yeah, fucking taboo. Yeah.

• 43:39Speaker 01

  Boo. You mean illegal?

• 43:42Cameron Hanes?

  Well, then I was thinking, why, I mean, murder's taboo.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:47Cameron Hanes?

  We see that all the time. I just don't want, you know how they tried to make the gay and whatever trans stuff like seem normal? So it's in everything. Are they gonna try, is incest gonna be like, hey, let's get these people used to it?

• 44:03Speaker 01

  I mean, if incest is gonna become normal, I'm gonna wish that I had a hot sister.

• 44:11Cameron Hanes?

  Or at least a hot mom. How is your mom? I don't know. I don't know. She might be hot.

• 44:19Speaker 01

  No. No.

• 44:22Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, that's right. We, we changed.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're change, change heart. Well, I'm disappointed in the writers, but I can understand their, I can't.

• 44:31Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 44:32Speaker 01

  You gotta find the loophole or something. That's crazy. That is.

• 44:37Cameron Hanes?

  So now I'm watching a different show.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 44:41Cameron Hanes?

  Brad Pitt.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  Like it?

• 44:44Cameron Hanes?

  It's something like the murder of Jesse James.

• 44:49Speaker 01

  I think I've heard of that.

• 44:50Cameron Hanes?

  It's actually pretty good. It's old, but it's like, uh, what's his name? Not Joaquin Fina, or no, uh, no, what's his name? Um,

• 45:03Cameron Hanes?

  Ben Affleck, Casey Affleck.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Casey.

• 45:05Cameron Hanes?

  Casey Affleck's in it. Uh, Brad Pitt's in it. Um, good. It seems good so far, but anyway.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  Well.

• 45:13Cameron Hanes?

  No incest so far.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  I'll have to.

• 45:15Cameron Hanes?

  So that's good.

• 45:16Speaker 01

  Incest free. I'm gonna have to start looking that up. Incest free, top 10 incest free shows.

• 45:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, sucks.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 45:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Anyway, so that's, that's what I'm on now. Out in the mountains, there's no room for weak gear. When I'm packing out meat in the heat or loading up for a long range training trip, I need a cooler that holds the line every time. That's why I use Grizzly coolers. These things are bear proof, rugged as hell, and keep ice locked in for days, literally. I've had coolers on the trail, baking in the sun, still holding ice after hauling out elk quarters. That's performance you can count on. Whether you're running deep in the back country or just stacking meat for the weekend, Grizzly is built for that grind. Don't roll with weak gear. Go Grizzly.

• 46:07Cameron Hanes?

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• 46:50Speaker 01

  Well, uh, one of my other subjects was weight loss.

• 46:58Speaker 01

  In the morning.

• 46:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  After we had gotten back and eaten a lot.

• 47:05Speaker 01

  So somewhat of a refeed.

• 47:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  And this was two days ago, so plenty of food had been eaten.

• 47:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  In the morning I weighed 100 and 78 pounds.

• 47:18Cameron Hanes?

  Whoa.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:20Cameron Hanes?

  What were you on the hunt? I wonder what you got down to?

• 47:23Speaker 01

  I had to be 175.

• 47:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  I mean, I, dude, 20, so what is that? 25, it'd be almost, almost 30 pounds.

• 47:37Cameron Hanes?

  From, like, not that long ago. Yeah, you were 205.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  206, yeah.

• 47:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Dude, that, ah, that hunt was a grind.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  And it, you know, granted, I gave up. I wasn't lifting and I just started training for, uh, the only lifts I were doing were like, you know, stuff to prevent injuries, make my knees bulletproof, but I got back in the gym this week, starting Monday.

• 48:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 48:06Speaker 01

  Let's just say 225 is a ways out.

• 48:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 48:10Speaker 01

  It was bad.

• 48:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 48:11Speaker 01

  So we've got some work to do.

• 48:13Cameron Hanes?

  It goes well. We laid it all out there on that hunt. You had the picnic. Um, here's, here's one other bat. It's not bad, but I have to run tomorrow.

• 48:27Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:28Cameron Hanes?

  With that, uh, Brady McDonald. He's doing 50, I think 50K in all 50 states in 50 days. Is that what it is?

• 48:38Speaker 01

  That's a shit ton.

• 48:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I think that's what he's doing. So tomorrow we're meeting at Piscatait.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 48:44Cameron Hanes?

  And I'm not doing 31 miles.

• 48:46Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, are you doing all?

• 48:47Cameron Hanes?

  Hell no. I don't even know what I can do, but I haven't run since, it's been a while. Cause we were up there forever. I never, I haven't run since I've been home.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  No.

• 48:58Cameron Hanes?

  So.

• 48:58Speaker 01

  I didn't even, I haven't even tried.

• 49:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  I don't know. I mean, my body's pretty, now that I'm this light again, I don't like it. I feel frail.

• 49:07Cameron Hanes?

  Really? Well.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 49:08Cameron Hanes?

  You kicked ass on the hunt, I know that.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I gotta put some, a little, a little more meat back on the bones. That is interesting. I'm like, I don't have a goal. The picnic was something I had so much emotionally tied to, and it was like, I'd wanted to do it for so long. Now that it's done, I'm like, I mean, I, there's nothing that I'm like, yeah, that's my next thing.

• 49:31Cameron Hanes?

  Stone sheep hunt.

• 49:34Speaker 01

  I gotta, it's gotta be achievable.

• 49:36Cameron Hanes?

  God, that, I know we're not gonna talk about this, but how hard was that hunt? That seemed pretty hard.

• 49:45Speaker 01

  It's harder than anything else. That actually was the hardest thing I've ever done.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  I mean, that was a grind.

• 49:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it was, uh,

• 49:57Cameron Hanes?

  we had to earn that one.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, had a little bit of taste of everything. Mental, physical.

• 50:03Cameron Hanes?

  Sexual.

• 50:06Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, spiritual. Yeah, no, it's, uh, I don't even know how to explain that, huh? But how's that filmed? Is it done?

• 50:16Speaker 01

  It's done. Did you see the reviews?

• 50:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, the academy is, uh.

• 50:21Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, good.

• 50:22Speaker 01

  Next for 2028.

• 50:24Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 50:24Speaker 01

  They already made the selections, so.

• 50:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, sweet. Uh, I don't know. It's, uh, yeah. It was, it was eventful, but man, it was tough.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. So if you guys are wondering, we are gonna talk about that, of course, but it's gotta be good. It's gotta be perfect. You gotta be feeling better.

• 50:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I do. Yeah. So we're gonna, I don't know, I've been doing all the research on the Fred Bear stuff. That's been fun. Uh, you did the, we tried to mimic some of those photos. You did a kick ass job.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  It actually turned out, seeing them side by side, it was actually not too far off.

• 51:01Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  You're a little closer.

• 51:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 51:03Speaker 01

  And then the Rams in a slightly different position.

• 51:05Cameron Hanes?

  Slightly different, but pretty close.

• 51:07Speaker 01

  Pretty close.

• 51:07Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, I wanted to put it up, cause those are the pictures that we were looking at before we left.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:13Cameron Hanes?

  We're sitting there and like talking about Fred, what's the score? Oh, what was this? It's just so fun going through all that shit.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Well, it was cool because we realized he was, well, maybe I shouldn't say that. He was in a, in a.

• 51:24Cameron Hanes?

  Same area?

• 51:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 51:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  He was also in BC.

• 51:29Cameron Hanes?

  And we were also in BC.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:31Cameron Hanes?

  And also the sheep were in BC.

• 51:33Speaker 01

  Yes. A lot of people don't know that.

• 51:35Cameron Hanes?

  Right. So it actually worked out fairly well.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, Kurt chartered a 747.

• 51:45Cameron Hanes?

  His stories, dude. I've been trying to remember all his stories and it's, uh, pretty fun.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  I know. Brooke was asking and, cause I said he has crazy stories. She was like, tell me one of them. And I was like, well.

• 51:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  See that, if you would.

• 52:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I said, I sort of, what, I can't remember what I said, something about the Aborigines, if they have a twin, then they, one's evil, one's good, they kill the evil one. And like, I think I missed a lot of it.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  His neighbor's wife adopted the evil twin.

• 52:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  Then five years later, the Aborigines came in and killed it.

• 52:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah. So that was one story.

• 52:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. I just said, all you need to know is he's died, he's almost died about 20 times.

• 52:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 52:32Speaker 01

  And he's the most positive human alive.

• 52:35Cameron Hanes?

  I never saw, there was like, maybe, I, it wasn't even negative, but it was like,

• 52:46Cameron Hanes?

  if, there was a mention of if we don't get it done, we can, we can come back next year.

• 52:52Speaker 01

  And I remember you and I were like, there's a crack.

• 52:54Cameron Hanes?

  No, and I was just like, when he said, I was just like, excuse me. I fucking, I'm not leaving until

• 53:06Cameron Hanes?

  either I'm dead or Ram's dead.

• 53:07Speaker 01

  That's what you said. You said, someone's gonna have to tell me we have to leave.

• 53:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 53:10Speaker 01

  Cause it's not gonna be me.

• 53:12Cameron Hanes?

  Cause I will, I, that's, I just didn't know if he knew that I will never quit. So some people, when they hear that, everybody says that shit.

• 53:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:20Cameron Hanes?

  But most people don't mean it.

• 53:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:23Cameron Hanes?

  So then I think he was like, when I said that, I think he was just like, oh, fuck, guess I better clear my schedule. I don't know, but.

• 53:31Speaker 01

  And it all came together.

• 53:33Cameron Hanes?

  So positive.

• 53:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:35Cameron Hanes?

  That was, it was.

• 53:39Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, I'll never forget the hunt.

• 53:41Speaker 01

  Oh, me either.

• 53:42Cameron Hanes?

  Never. It's just like, it's always gonna be, probably think about it every day.

• 53:48Speaker 01

  That's a good point. I've probably talked about it once every day. Someone's asked me or something.

• 53:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 53:54Speaker 01

  So definitely thought about it every day.

• 53:56Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I don't even need, people don't even need to ask me. They can say something and I'll be like, you know what? That reminds me of my stone sheep hunt. Oh, really? Getting bread at the store?

• 54:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yep.

• 54:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 54:08Speaker 01

  You know, this walk you had to do it from your car to the store.

• 54:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  This one time.

• 54:14Cameron Hanes?

  And also.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  This guy Fred Bear.

• 54:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So we had a character where I was gonna be this drunk guy in the bar. If I couldn't get this ram killed with my plaid Fred Bear shirt.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  With mustard stains all over.

• 54:33Cameron Hanes?

  Just haunted by the memory of this hunt. Cause the bottom line is I had this ram of a lifetime. One of the biggest any bow hunters ever killed at thirty two yards and did not get him killed. So. If you've bow hunted or like you've had like opportunity like slipped through your grasp. That's about as close to a slam dunk for, for a stone sheep as you're gonna get. And I didn't get it killed.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:05Cameron Hanes?

  Didn't even get a shot.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  After not having seen one for a week.

• 55:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, right. And then, so it wasn't looking great. Or it was, man.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  So we created that character to cope.

• 55:19Cameron Hanes?

  Which one?

• 55:20Speaker 01

  So you drunk in the bar.

• 55:21Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, that's right.

• 55:24Cameron Hanes?

  That was gonna be me, dude. I, I can't even imagine, like, it took us, I don't even know how many days to get home from the bush. And if I would have had to go through three weeks of hunting, all these days, all this, like, couldn't get to Portland or couldn't get to Eugene's, had to rent a car, all of these things without killing a ram. I mean, I was pissed, even though I had the, the greatest hunt of my life.

• 55:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:53Cameron Hanes?

  If it would have been bad, I don't even know what my mental state would be.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  The bartender would have to call Tracy.

• 55:58Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 55:59Speaker 01

  He shit his pants again.

• 56:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Again, yeah, his, what are, what, what are those pants I had?

• 56:06Speaker 01

  Oh, the, uh, fialraven or however.

• 56:09Cameron Hanes?

  Fallrave.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. There's a J in there.

• 56:11Cameron Hanes?

  Is there?

• 56:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. F J A L L. Fiall.

• 56:15Cameron Hanes?

  So I'm gonna, I'd have those on with shit in them.

• 56:18Speaker 01

  I think they're brown.

• 56:19Cameron Hanes?

  My beat up flannel. Yeah.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Talking about stone sheep and Fred Bear. Um, we do have to talk about the roadless rule.

• 56:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 56:28Speaker 01

  And the retarded decision to rescind it.

• 56:32Cameron Hanes?

  So there's a, a month long comment period, I think. So I'm like, I'm exhausted with this stuff too, dude. It's fucking never ending.

• 56:43Speaker 01

  Why, why are we just getting raped from all sides?

• 56:46Cameron Hanes?

  It's never ending. It's just like, I don't, I mean, we keep going and thinking we win. And then all of a sudden, here it is back again. So, yeah, I mean, back hunter, back country hunters and anglers. I got this girl Nicole Brown. She's fricking on top of this shit. Outdoor Alliance. Everybody's like on the same page.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 57:09Cameron Hanes?

  Fighting against the administration, trying to fuck over public lands. It's like, why, why are we so opposed? I mean. We wanna protect. We love public land. It's our, the greatest resource of our, the Western United States basically is a, is just the mountains.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 57:33Cameron Hanes?

  And being high, wild and free out there. And now we gotta, it's nonstop combative to try to develop this or get the minerals out of it or make money off of it or sell it to somebody else. It's like, fucking chill out. Nobody wants this. Nobody, except for fucking the administration and I guess people who all they give a fuck about is money.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, surprisingly there, I've seen a couple of people who are in support of it and I'm like, what rock do you live under?

• 58:04Cameron Hanes?

  I think people just wanna like assume it's not as bad as everybody's making it seem. And so they're trying to be positive. Cause I did see like, even, you know, I like, I can't remember his real name now, but Shed Crazy.

• 58:16Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 58:17Cameron Hanes?

  He made a bunch of big comments on that. Like it's, it's good to shrink the mo, that was about the National Mon- Monument, which there's so many things. That's just one thing. It's just like, okay, fine. If you wanna like somehow turn this into a positive, like this is good. I don't think it is, but that's just one fucking thing anyway. It's.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  I, I.

• 58:37Cameron Hanes?

  Anytime they're changing designations, it's never.

• 58:40Speaker 01

  No.

• 58:40Cameron Hanes?

  To help us.

• 58:41Speaker 01

  No. If, if we could trust our government, maybe.

• 58:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 58:44Speaker 01

  If, if it wa, if we didn't have to look out for setting precedent for future things, maybe.

• 58:49Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  But everything that's ever been like, oh, this will be good. And then later down the road, it's like, it's just a little door for them to, to, to creep in.

• 58:58Cameron Hanes?

  I know. And it's just like any of these, like these, the big beautiful bill and all this shit. So it's like pages and pages of pages. You don't even know what the fuck got signed into law or approved because it's all hidden.

• 59:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:10Cameron Hanes?

  And so they say, oh, this is to fund whatever, fucking new roads. It's like, oh no. The transgender shit in fucking.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Uganda.

• 59:19Cameron Hanes?

  Uganda, right. It's like, so they, that's, that's why we don't trust this.

• 59:23Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 59:23Cameron Hanes?

  So I see Shed Crazy like saying like, hey, I live in Utah. This is good. This hasn't been like whatever. And I'm just like, I doubt it. I fucking doubt it. I, I know that you wanna believe that, but I fucking doubt it.

• 59:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:38Cameron Hanes?

  Unfortunately, sorry.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  I mean, are our public lands and how could it be? I guess what I'm trying to say is like, they're not, it's not terrible. We have access to public land.

• 59:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  So.

• 59:51Cameron Hanes?

  And they had a, they had access to it with that three million acre designation.

• 59:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:56Cameron Hanes?

  And they were hunting, fishing, all sorts of shit. So it's just like.

• 1:00:01Cameron Hanes?

  How is this better?

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  No, I don't think so.

• 1:00:04Cameron Hanes?

  They can put roads on it. It's, it's, it's just like the big, the Big Bend National Park down there in Texas.

• 1:00:12Cameron Hanes?

  We don't need a fucking fence down there and they're, they awarded all the contracts without bids and now it's fucking underway.

• 1:00:22Cameron Hanes?

  It's wrong.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:00:23Cameron Hanes?

  We bitched about it. I bitched about it on Rogan. Nothing fucking happened.

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  No. And it's corrupt.

• 1:00:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. It's just fucking dirty politics. It's dirt, everything, everything about it's dirty. And

• 1:00:37Cameron Hanes?

  yeah, I don't know. It's fucking, it's never ending. It drives you crazy.

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  It'd be cool if we had a government that was actually for the people. That's a crazy idea.

• 1:00:47Cameron Hanes?

  Weird.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  I might write a big doctrine that starts with that.

• 1:00:51Cameron Hanes?

  You should.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:00:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. We the people.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know. It's a, I don't know. It's super frustrating, but you know, we wanna make a difference. We wanna,

• 1:01:04Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. We just want the right thing to happen. And I don't know. I don't know how to do it now.

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  Harder than it seems, I guess.

• 1:01:11Cameron Hanes?

  That's what she said.

• 1:01:17Speaker 01

  That's what that guy's sister in the show you're watching.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  That is, that's it.

• 1:01:26Cameron Hanes?

  That's it.

• 1:01:27Speaker 01

  I had in here to, um, mention the Exalt Chamber, but that was a old, from an old note.

• 1:01:34Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  We did a podcast with them, so.

• 1:01:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that came, that, I, I hope that was when I was sick that day. So hopefully it sounded okay.

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  I mean, nobody said anything.

• 1:01:42Cameron Hanes?

  No, they haven't.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:43Cameron Hanes?

  But, uh, yeah, those guys are studs. Um, I'm gonna get, I think I'm gonna do, well, I gotta do that Brady McDonald thing with him tomorrow, but.

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  Is he gonna do a podcast too?

• 1:01:54Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know.

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  I don't know if he has time for it.

• 1:01:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. If he's gotta do thirty one miles. I mostly just wanna get caught, just like help him, help elevate his message. So I figured even if we're up on Pisk and I do like a phone thing, I can tag him. That's, I mean, I'm not feeling very good. So.

• 1:02:14Speaker 01

  Are you guys gonna go the long way?

• 1:02:16Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know.

• 1:02:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. Let's see. I mean, I can, I'll go up and.

• 1:02:20Cameron Hanes?

  I wanna go the shore way, then go to breakfast.

• 1:02:25Cameron Hanes?

  That's on my agenda. So I'll go, I'm just gonna, let's meet over there at eight or whatever you wanna do. You can write with me, but, uh, and then we'll at least do some miles and then go eat.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  Cool. Yeah. Well, I think that's it. That wraps it up.

• 1:02:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I got some, I got some big news offline.

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  Oh, I do have to say, uh, I'm going to try, we're gonna try me doing a solo podcast.

• 1:02:52Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  So if you guys hate me, let me know in the comments. Hit that like button. No. Leave some ideas of what you guys want me to talk about. Maybe I'll cover them.

• 1:03:01Cameron Hanes?

  There you go. That'd be good.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:03Cameron Hanes?

  So, yeah. Um, cause what we're thinking about doing is this gonna be the Keep Hammering Collective with Gideon.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Gideon Late at Night.

• 1:03:13Cameron Hanes?

  Get, yeah, Gideon After Dark.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  I'll do, I gotta figure out how to set up a phone line or something. So I could do like Theo Von when people call in.

• 1:03:20Cameron Hanes?

  There you go. Yeah. So that'd be fun. So we got, we got some good ones coming. We're gonna talk about the picnic. This is Shit Talkers Weekly thirty three. We're gonna talk about the sheep hunt and then Gideon's gonna do a solo. It's gonna be sick.

• 1:03:33Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:03:34Cameron Hanes?

  All right, guys. Thanks for tuning in. We're back, baby. Keep crammering.