Pod Insights Call Her Daddy Podcast Working With My Best Friend (ft. Laren) About this episode Alex and Laren finally reveal how and why they started working together. They also open up about the inner workings of Call Her Daddy, how they maintain their friendship, and what it’s like getting to build successful careers together. Enjoy!
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3:04 Alex Cooper? What is up Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy.
3:13 Alex Cooper? Daddy Gang, welcome back to another episode of Call Her Daddy. Today, I am joined by none other than the producer of Call Her Daddy, my best friend, Lauren McMullin. Wow. For anyone that didn't watch my documentary on Hulu, Call Her Alex, one of the reveals in the documentary is that Lauren has been the producer of Call Her Daddy and has been working with me for over four years. And a lot of you, actually, most all of you, were shocked. I have never talked about this publicly. We have kept this a secret and we've kept
3:53 Alex Cooper? it private. And today, we are here to get into why we decided to keep it private, why we never shared it with the world, the reasoning behind it, and also what it's actually like to work with your best friend and the process of Call Her Daddy. We are going to walk you guys through what we do every single week in working together. So, I think we should just get into it. Let's tell them how this came to be. So, I think we have to go all the way back to 2020 and the pandemic. And first, again, I think everyone knows this is at this point, but Lauren and I have been Childhood best friends since we were about six years old.
4:36 Speaker 03 Yeah, second grade.
4:37 Alex Cooper? Second grade. So six years old, Lauren and I have been best friends and we have grown up together. We played soccer together. We made movies together. We didn't go to the same high school or college, but we've been best friends our whole lives. And in 2020, when I was producing and editing and hosting Call Her Daddy on my own, it was the pandemic and I was by myself living in New York. And it was a pretty dark time. I think I was really struggling. There was a lot going on online, obviously with Call Her Daddy. And I was pretty isolated in New York City at the time. And Lauren happened to be going through a breakup at this time. And Lauren was trying to figure out her next move. Am I going to have to move home? What am I going to do? And I remember saying,
5:18 Alex Cooper? Lauren, just move into my apartment with me. Like, this will be beautiful. Let's live together again because we had lived with each other at one point. And so you moved in. And at this point, explain to the daddy gang what you're doing. Like, I'm hosting this raunchy sex podcast and you are doing what?
5:34 Speaker 03 So I had just finished Teacher America. So my undergrad degree is in neuroscience. I never intended to be a teacher. I did two years of Teacher America where I taught fifth and eighth grade science in Newark, New Jersey. I did my two years. And then I was in grad school at Columbia, getting a master's in clinical psychology because I wanted to go on and get a PhD and be a therapist. So when I moved in with you, fresh off my breakup, I was in my first year of my master's program and I was nannying for a crazy family on the side to make money.
6:12 Alex Cooper? So then Lauren and I moved to Los Angeles. We decided we were done with New York for a little bit. We wanted to try something different. Lauren wanted to get away. I wanted to get away. I knew it would be better for Call Her Daddy. I would get so many more guests in Los Angeles. So we got on a plane and we headed to LA and we moved into this home together.
6:30 Speaker 03 And then,
6:33 Speaker 03 The school I was teaching at had reached out and was like, our neuroscience teacher quit. We can't find anyone who can teach neuroscience. We'll let you teach entirely remote. Can you teach neuroscience to these high schoolers? And I'm living in California, teaching children in New Jersey. So my first class was every day at five in the morning. And then I'd be done work at 1pm. So you'd be waking up to like, go record Call Her Daddy at 1pm. And I'd be finishing work for the day. We knew no one in LA. We, I didn't have a car. It was COVID, it was locked down, there was nothing to do. So I'd be like, done work, like, hey Alex, like, what are you doing for Call Her Daddy?
7:08 Alex Cooper? Like, I'll help, I'll watch you, like. I think this is when we really started to feel like, oh my God, I missed this part of our friendship. Lauren and I, as you guys will watch in the documentary, as you watched, we fell in love with two things at a very young age. Soccer and making movies and music videos. And that was our genuine passion. And so you getting to come back into that world, I think was so exciting for both of us. Because it also kind of rebirthed a part of our relationship that we had lost in a way. And so we both just leaned in and we started having so much fun. And so when I signed my deal with Spotify, um, that was six months into us living in the house, I would say. And that obviously changed my life forever.
7:53 Alex Cooper? And it changed, I felt like everyone's lives around me, just because it definitely put me publicly in a different stratosphere. Like, I felt like there were, there was more attention on me. There was a bigger conversation around money. Again, I think people don't really know this, but like, I didn't have a team. Like, I was still editing my own episodes.
8:10 Speaker 03 It was fully just you at that point.
8:12 Alex Cooper? Yes, like, there was no writers in these interviews. Like, I was writing all of my interviews. I was editing all of these things. I was like, you know, I'm, I'm now making enough money where it's dumb. How am I not paying people to help me? And that, I think, was the beginning of the start of it all. Do you remember like, the first real conversation post Spotify?
8:35 Speaker 03 So we sat down and you were like,
8:40 Speaker 03 I want to have something more consistent, something more formal. What are you interested in? What are your next moves? Cause at that point I had graduated from my master's program. Um, and I wanted to go get a PhD, but I decided I wanted to take one more year before applying. So I could do more research and get more, like get my name published on more papers.
9:02 Alex Cooper? Oh, right.
9:03 Speaker 03 So I was like, wait, this kind of works out really well. You want to go into your first year of Spotify, having people around you that you trust. Feeling comfortable, not starting, just like building a whole team from like scratch and not knowing anyone. So I'm like, this is perfect. I'll take my gap year with Call Her Daddy.
9:20 Alex Cooper? Why did I forget that?
9:21 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:21 Alex Cooper? Started, yes, you were like, for sure in your head, you were going to go to grad school. And there was going to be one year that you were going to work with me.
9:30 Speaker 03 I was going to get a freelance rate.
9:32 Alex Cooper? Yep.
9:32 Speaker 03 And bill you for like my hours weekly at a freelance rate. And then on the side, I'd also be doing my psychology research and trying to get published in more, um, academic research.
9:42 Alex Cooper? To give everyone more context, this moment of me being like, okay, I'm going to hire you for a year. It really was us being like, let's just do this for one more year together. It'll be so fun.
9:52 Speaker 03 It was kind of the perfect setup for both. It made you feel more comfortable.
9:55 Alex Cooper? Yes.
9:55 Speaker 03 Going into your first year of Spotify and it gave me consistent paid work while I tried to just write and apply to grad school.
10:03 Alex Cooper? But in no way did we think this was long-term.
10:06 Speaker 03 But now that, now that I was going to be like billing you hourly and like tracking my hours and like having deliverables to me. And like actual deadlines to hit. It did start to become more real at that point.
10:18 Alex Cooper? Yes.
10:18 Speaker 03 Where at this point now you are my boss and there is a differential between the two of us. It feels a little bit different than like me just sitting in the corner, giving you thumbs up, laughing and saying like, oh, tell that funny story. Tell that joke. Like now I'm like researching the guests you're having on. I'm pitching topics I think you should talk about. Like I'm spending real time doing like actual real work and it's feeling more real. And at that point, we kind of had to have a conversation of like, okay, if we're going to do this one year and do it right and not leave. Feeling resentful that you felt I took advantage of the situation and was just using
10:58 Speaker 03 you for money, or that I felt I didn't have clear expectations and I'm not really set up for success. Like, we have to treat this more real.
11:08 Alex Cooper? Yes.
11:08 Speaker 03 And that's when we had the really hard conversation of, I think I need to leave LA. I needed more things of my own.
11:15 Alex Cooper? Yes.
11:16 Speaker 03 I was living in your house.
11:17 Alex Cooper? Yep.
11:17 Speaker 03 I was relying on you and Matt for plans. I was working for you.
11:20 Alex Cooper? Yes.
11:21 Speaker 03 And like, I-
11:22 Alex Cooper? We needed to shake it up.
11:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:24 Alex Cooper? And it was beautiful to see you go to Chicago and still to say be fucking thriving. Like, that was without a doubt the best decision I think you could have ever made for yourself, picking that city. I feel like you have had such incredible success there. You've had such a support system. Like, it's been beautiful. So I'm just so happy that it actually ended up working out. Um-
11:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think that's like the best thing we ever could have done.
11:48 Alex Cooper? Could have done.
11:48 Speaker 03 And I remember we podcasted together, being like, I'm moving to Chicago.
11:52 Alex Cooper? Oh, my God.
11:53 Speaker 03 And we told the daddy gang, we're like, I'm moving to Chicago for a job opportunity. The job opportunity was Call Her Daddy. And I was moving to Chicago so that we could give it a real chance. And we didn't fuck shit up by like-
12:03 Alex Cooper? And we were professional.
12:04 Speaker 03 -being up each other's like assholes 24/7.
12:06 Alex Cooper? Oh, my God. I forgot that. We publicly said that. I'm sorry, you guys. That's like a little white lie we told. Sorry. But so then, we, okay, so now let's explain, in that moment, why did we not tell the truth about why you were going to Chicago for a job?
12:20 Speaker 03 Because at that point, we truly thought it was going to be a one-year thing. Like, imagine, in my mind, we're really conceptualizing this as like, this is my gap year before I'm going to get a PhD.
12:30 Alex Cooper? Yep.
12:30 Speaker 03 And we thought it would just be really confusing to people. And we're like, we worked together, and now we don't. And like, knowing the way that the internet spins things, I think people would immediately be like, oh, they're not working together anymore because-
12:43 Alex Cooper? Right.
12:44 Speaker 03 Shit went down.
12:45 Alex Cooper? Alex is not a girl's girl, and she ruined Lauren's life.
12:47 Speaker 03 Yeah, look, Alex did it again. Kicked Lauren to the curb.
12:49 Alex Cooper? No, literally. So, yes.
12:51 Speaker 03 Yeah. That's what people would say.
12:53 Alex Cooper? So, it was very easy. We were like, okay, great. We'll keep this under wraps and love you and come visit all the time. Lauren moves to Chicago, I'm in LA, and the minute she leaves, we just hit the fucking ground running.
13:06 Speaker 03 I think the next big moment was-
13:09 Alex Cooper? The year mark.
13:10 Speaker 03 The year mark.
13:11 Alex Cooper? We were coming up on the year mark, and I'm sitting in LA being like-
13:17 Alex Cooper? There was a part of me that felt in my gut, holy shit. I have never had more fun in my life, working with someone and I have never felt at such ease. And we just have the best dynamic. And I think I selfishly was like, oh my God, I actually can see it. I can see how this could work long-term. But if I put my selfish wants aside, and I also put my work aside. If I put on my best friend hat as Alex from Young Alex and you being my best friend. I was like, but what does Lauren want? Because I am living my dream. This, I am living everything I could have ever wanted.
14:01 Alex Cooper? I love my job so much, but does Lauren feel that same way? And is Lauren gonna want to do this full-term? And I started to get worried that, I'll be honest, I remember when I look back, I was worried that you understandably, because we've talked about this on the podcast before, like you were enjoying understandably the work, but the money, I think was so, so much security for you. I think you were starting to be like, fuck, it's so nice to like comfortably afford my apartment and get to do all these things. And so I started to-
14:33 Speaker 03 Because money was a huge stress in my life growing up.
14:35 Alex Cooper? Yes, and I think I started to worry as your friend, like, fuck, is she feeling this, which is nice, but is she forgetting how much she wanted to go and get this PhD? And is she going to choose this life because of the money? Not because she genuinely wants it? And I started to feel a little bit of guilt where I was like, am I pulling Lauren away from her dream? Because I'm living mine.
14:58 Speaker 03 And you said that to me. We had like a really real and honest conversation at like that year mark.
15:03 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
15:03 Speaker 03 And you were like, at this point, I really can't imagine doing this without you. Because you were trying other people, like we were kind of planning for my departure. So like you were trying other people, you were interviewing other people, you were having other people come and freelance with you and-
15:17 Alex Cooper? It just wasn't the same.
15:18 Speaker 03 Because I know you so well, so like- I have this insanely unfair advantage and like I can look at something immediately and be like, Alex would never say that. Alex doesn't agree with that. Oh my gosh, Alex would
15:30 Alex Cooper? Would hate that.
15:31 Speaker 03 That would hate that.
15:31 Alex Cooper? Yeah, you just can't teach that because it's just you've been my sister my whole life. Like so it's like, so finally we had a really honest conversation where I voiced all this to Lauren and I remember just going back and forth being like, as selfish as I want to be that I want you to know I value you more than you know and I would love you to do this literally until the end of time with me. I need you to be honest with yourself and take time to really think, what do you want?
16:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, you were like, I could never live with myself if we look back in five years and I feel like I tore you away from your dream.
16:07 Alex Cooper? Yeah.
16:08 Speaker 03 So I went and I talked to my therapist about it for a while.
16:12 Alex Cooper? Yeah, a while.
16:12 Speaker 03 We were kind of talking about, why did I want to be a therapist? I wanted to be a therapist because what you'll see in the documentary, um, my dad passed away from suicide when I was in college. He suffered from bipolar disorder for my whole life. And so that's what drew me to that. But more than that, I just wanted to have deep impactful conversations and I wanted to help people. And I was talking to my therapist and I was like, well, if I say on this show, I will have deep impactful conversations.
16:52 Speaker 03 And I think I'm going to impact and help more people than I would if I was just a therapist. Like Alex is reaching millions of people a week.
17:01 Alex Cooper? Yeah, that was like, I will never forget. I almost wanted to start crying where Lauren came to me and was like, it just clicked for me. Like there's so much we can do with this show and there's so much work to be done and especially, You had said like the direction, I already feel you pulling it in.
17:19 Speaker 03 The show was changing.
17:20 Alex Cooper? Yeah. And it just felt like, holy shit, let's do this.
17:25 Speaker 03 Yeah. Like it was kind of all like the stars were kind of like aligning in like a weird, beautiful way.
17:30 Alex Cooper? And in that moment, we weren't like, let's do this for the next 10 years. It really again was kind of like, let's see how this goes.
17:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:37 Alex Cooper? Because again, you were so young. We were like, Lauren, if in two years you decide you don't want to do this anymore, you can still go get your PhD.
17:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:43 Alex Cooper? Like.
17:44 Speaker 03 I was, I think I was at 27 at this point.
17:46 Alex Cooper? Yes. So there was time and again, just for context, unwell, the company hadn't been started. It was still just me at Spotify. And so we started.
17:58 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:58 Alex Cooper? And I remember offering you, where were we when I offered you your salary?
18:04 Speaker 03 Um, I remember exactly where I was. I was sitting at my kitchen table and I almost fell out of the chair.
18:12 Alex Cooper? I literally remember being like, okay, so I'm going to give her like a full-time salary. You're my only employee, basically. So I was like, uh, and I went in and I like pitched to you and you were like.
18:24 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'll take it.
18:25 Alex Cooper? Yeah, for sure, Alex. And we just started.
18:28 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm.
18:29 Alex Cooper? And let's talk about how you first started because I think now being able to say like you are the head lead producer of this show.
18:36 Speaker 03 I did not start there.
18:37 Alex Cooper? She, no, she did not. So when Lauren came in, you really took on the research role. So a lot of what Lauren was coming in and helping me do was there's so much information, obviously about the guests that I will be interviewing. And Lauren was a beast with research because that literally was.
18:54 Speaker 03 Like my master's degree for clinical psych, I was just cranking out research and cranking out papers. So like I can research and I can write.
19:02 Alex Cooper? And so then talk to people a little bit about like what your first position was and like what you did.
19:06 Speaker 03 So if you had a guest on and the guest had an autobiography, I would read the autobiography, essentially turn it into a book report and present to you and like brief you on the person's life. And then I started getting like more systematized and like I made you like a research system where like I made like a memo, where it like breaks out like fast facts about them, put their life into a timeline, put in angles I think you'd be interested in, put in things I think you should avoid talking about. And I would kind of like talk to you about the person and like get you. I would just brief you on the person and kind of pitch to you like what I think would be interesting for you to talk to them about.
19:39 Alex Cooper? Yes.
19:40 Speaker 03 And that was kind of the start of it.
19:41 Alex Cooper? Slowly, it has completely changed in a beautiful way. As my Spotify career continued, we then started Unwell. And once we, Matt and I started Unwell and our company started to grow, Lauren and I recognized that there were so many more tentacles of the business that I was being involved in. And so I was like, I need you to take on a bigger role for Call Her Daddy. And so what that looked like was Lauren started now to in researching, she would write the full first draft of the interviews instead of me now. And so she was doing the research and she was writing these episodes.
20:27 Alex Cooper? And then she was also helping me with all of the social media organization. So I would have a vision of how I wanted to roll, I'm very specific about how I want to roll out who the guest is, what I want the teasers to be, what I want the promo to be. And so Lauren would start working with our editors on crafting the promo, writing a script. This is what this, this is what the promo should say. This is at the time that this needs to get uploaded, like.
20:52 Speaker 03 At that point, I started like kind of touching everything.
20:54 Alex Cooper? Yes. And finally, I think once we realized we needed more people on our team is really when you took your net, the next jump of your career, which was we found truly one of the most talented writers I think we've both ever worked with.
21:12 Speaker 03 We still heard from CNN from the news world.
21:15 Alex Cooper? Shout out Chase.
21:16 Speaker 03 We love you.
21:16 Alex Cooper? And she came on and changed your life because.
21:21 Speaker 03 Like I was talking about this like with Chase recently because she was like, I cannot fathom. Because like now we have like a, we have more researchers too, which is really helpful because with my background, I make us take the research so seriously.
21:36 Alex Cooper? Yes.
21:37 Speaker 03 And they were like, how the hell were.
21:40 Alex Cooper? Were you doing this alone? Well, we don't know, but we got-
21:43 Speaker 03 I would start, I would start work at 6 a.m. And probably work until 9 p.m.
21:49 Alex Cooper? And we, we wouldn't stop. Like, we were obsessed.
21:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:52 Alex Cooper? But again, we loved it so much that it didn't-
21:53 Speaker 03 I never would wake up and be like, fuck my life. Like, I have so much work. Fuck Alex. I was like, this is so exciting. We have three interviews this week. I have three books to read this week.
22:01 Alex Cooper? We gotta get it done.
22:02 Speaker 03 And three interviews to write this week.
22:03 Alex Cooper? And so, finally, once Unwell was up and running, I think it was ver- it was very clear now that we needed to yet again reconfigure and system at eyes because we now do have an editor on Call Her Daddy. And although there are some weeks that I'm like, I will be personally editing this. Like, for example, the Kamala Harris interview, I was like, no one can touch this. I have to edit this on my own. Those are moments, I'm still doing final edits or whatever, but we now have someone who's helping with edit. Shout out Alex T. Love you.
22:30 Speaker 03 Love you.
22:31 Alex Cooper? Um, what I will say is, I think there's a lot of people on the internet, which makes me laugh. Understandably, I get why people would think that, though, again, is because when I signed with Spotify, when I signed with Sirius XM, I think there's this
22:46 Alex Cooper? idea that there's these corporate bigwigs who are like handing me the cards and saying, say all of this. And I'm just like this host. And meanwhile, it's like, when you're, for literally my entire Spotify time, when you're reading these questions,
23:03 Speaker 03 It's us.
23:03 Alex Cooper? It's us. Like, it's us putting this shit together. And now, as we ventured on, it's, yes, it's literally me, Lauren, and one to two other young women in their twenties, and we're all doing basically a roundtable. We're talking about what we want the interview to be. And then we've got a re- someone's going to do the research, someone's starting the prelim on like what the interview flow will be. We're doing multiple drafts. We're having Zoom meetings every week. We're going through, oh, I don't like this. Let's change this. Let's move this up here. This topic should hit harder. Let's move this to the front. Like, and then I go and I do the job. And so, it's so collaborative. It's so rewarding. And the interview process has become such a well-oiled
23:46 Alex Cooper? machine, but it's taken a lot of work to get there. So why don't you talk a little bit about what you do every week?
23:53 Speaker 03 With having Unwell now, and you doing so many things beyond Call Her Daddy, I handle anything logistic-related.
24:03 Speaker 03 To Call Her Daddy, so anyone on the Call Her Daddy team reports to me and I manage the entire team and I'm essentially the person who makes sure from booking to the editor, to the social media team, to the research team, to the interview being written, to communicating with PR reps, to making sure that episode makes it on, uploaded on time.
24:28 Alex Cooper? Yes.
24:29 Speaker 03 That I'm handling like everything, making sure everything is happening and everyone is doing what they're supposed to be doing so that now you are purely thinking about nothing besides the creative.
24:38 Alex Cooper? And it's so nice the way that you are able to keep the ship running.
24:43 Speaker 03 And sometimes you'll have three interviews in a week.
24:45 Alex Cooper? Yes, and it's
24:47 Speaker 03 Insane.
24:48 Alex Cooper? Chaos, but it's amazing and we love it.
24:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, I was gonna say like, I've never felt so fulfilled, never felt so stimulated, I've never felt like I've done something that's had this much of an impact before. Like we're saying how like we work insane hours, but like I never wake up dreading my job. I sometimes like wonder like, ooh, like how did I like clock like a 14 hour day yesterday and like not think twice and like I don't feel burnt out. It's because like I legitimately like love this job so much and I care so much about this job. And I think like one of the coolest things is how much autonomy I feel like I have. I feel like that's like a big factor in like loving my job. Like I can have a therapy session where I'm like, I just
25:34 Speaker 03 had the best talk of my entire life. And I can be like, Alex, like I think we need to talk about this. You're like, okay, go write an episode. Or I'll read something and I'll be like, this is important. Like go write an episode.
25:46 Alex Cooper? It's such a rewarding process that I think looking back on the days that I obviously took such pride in doing it all on my own, I think I now take so much more pride on not doing it all on my own because I think getting to share The joy of what this show does every week with other people who get to be a part of the behind the scenes, it is indescribable, the feeling like I know it sounds sappy daddy gang, but like getting to give you guys interesting, fun, engaging content every week. And it all is coming from the hearts of us and a few more other young women in their twenties.
26:26 Alex Cooper? Like it's so fucking cool that we are creating these conversations. And it's coming from this like just genuine place of like, we're literally saying some of these ideas are because we were at a dinner and then it turns into an episode that's getting millions of views. I'm like,
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29:50 Alex Cooper? Let's talk also now about, I think, one of the biggest questions that we have gotten online since announcing that Lauren and I work together is how the hell do you guys have a work-friendship balance? Because that just seems like it is a disaster waiting to happen. And I completely understand why you would think that. So let us tell you about it. I think that, like we kind of described in the beginning days when it was just us, we are extremely, we've always been very communicative. And I think, although this may sound weird, once we kind of got our rhythm of how we wanted to work together,
30:34 Alex Cooper? like literally of just like, are you getting paid? Are you quitting your job? Okay, now you are getting paid. Now you have a salary.
30:40 Speaker 03 What is my job role? What are my like day-to-day responsibilities?
30:43 Alex Cooper? Yes, once that happened. When we're just working, it is the easiest thing in the world. And I will say it is easier than when we were kids. Like when Lauren and I were children, we you, we had such a passion for filming and writing scripts and and creating these worlds together. And the two of us, like my mom says in the documentary, when the two of us were in a room, it was almost too much. We both were so creative and passionate. And so
31:15 Speaker 03 We were staying up until like 3am, like in your dad's closet editing, like as children.
31:20 Alex Cooper? And taking it so serious. And so when one of us had a vision and the other disagreed, we would butt heads more back then be like, no, Lauren, like that won't keep the viewer engaged. And you're like, but Alex, it looks better if it's like this. We were so much more combative when we were younger. Now it's like, it's just seamless.
31:39 Speaker 03 I think something that may, that may sound counterintuitive is I think it's actually easier that there's a hierarchy. And in theory, and we can get into this more in a minute. In theory, you are my boss.
31:51 Alex Cooper? Right.
31:52 Speaker 03 And I think that does make it easier because at the end of the day, it's your call and I'll defer to you. It's not like we're like co-hosts, like arguing back and forth of like what we're going to talk about. And at the end of the day, you're the one saying this shit. Like, I'm not going to force words out of your mouth. It's your voice and it's your show. And like, I'm here to help push us forward and make us better and guide you and help you, but I'm not going to tell you your views and beliefs on something.
32:17 Alex Cooper? It's a good point. Like, I feel like you've always been so respectful of as invested as you are, you know, when it's like, okay, but it is your call. And but again, like we're so insympathical with almost everything. And I never want to get in front of the camera. If we haven't talked through something where I'm like, but what do you think about it? And then even if I, if I hear your piece and I disagree with you, I'm going to speak it out to you. And if you disagree with me. I don't think I've ever gotten on camera with us being in disagreement and being like, oh, well, I'm gonna say it anyways, ever in my career. And there is, I feel like rarely moments, but
32:59 Alex Cooper? there have been moments where the team will say something to me and I'll be, guys, I totally hear what you're saying, but I'm gonna disagree with you guys on this one and I'm gonna just go for it. And that is the beauty of it's my show. I can do that. But I do think it's very rare that I go against the grain of the team. And I, it's just when I'm having a feeling, most of it is when it's like comes to marketing and social media. I feel like I have this pulse on it that sometimes I just have this feeling and I've got to go with my fucking gut.
33:26 Speaker 03 Yeah. I think another thing is like how we maintain a friendship and a working relationship is
33:35 Speaker 03 during like the work week, we are very professional. Like if we get on a Zoom, like we're not shooting the shit on a Zoom. Oh, no. Someone, if someone like not in our company got on the Zoom, they would have no idea that we're best friends. Like we are very
33:49 Alex Cooper? No one would know.
33:49 Speaker 03 Yeah. We really save our like catch-ups because our current situation is I come to LA for a full week every month. So that becomes more where we merge the two.
34:02 Alex Cooper? Yes.
34:03 Speaker 03 I stay in your house. We have dinner every night together. We
34:07 Alex Cooper? Jacuzzi, hang, schmooze.
34:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
34:10 Alex Cooper? And we are like, the minute, we'll be like, okay, it's like 6:30. Should we stop working? And they'll be like, immediately we close our laptops. We go in, we watch a show, we drink wine and we can turn on friend mode immediately. But that is just because I think of the years of repetition. Again, when Lauren moved to Chicago, we kind of had also in her send off a conversation of like, our friendship is so solid. We have been friends for basically our whole lives. Neither of us are worried about our friendship. Let's really pour into this.
34:40 Speaker 03 Figuring now, what is our working dynamic and what is our working relationship? And to do that is really confusing if we're working together during the daytime and you're trying to have the strength or not even strength, but you're trying to feel comfortable enough to tell me, I don't like that, or that's not good enough. And then a few hours later, we're shooting the shit about like, do you like this outfit? Like, that was Confusing in the beginning where we needed to just figure out how do we get comfortable of having working conversations?
35:11 Alex Cooper? Yes.
35:12 Speaker 03 And having them side by side with friend conversations was difficult, but now we're like fucking experts.
35:17 Alex Cooper? I know, we're so fucking good at it now. Like we can, if it's five minutes before and I'm like, wait, are you on a Zoom? And Lauren will be like, no, I just got off my last Zoom. I'm like, wait, get on the Zoom link before everyone gets on because I want to hear about the date last night. And we'll like quickly talk for five minutes and then all, everyone else on the team gets on and we're like, hello everyone. And we pretend we didn't talk for five minutes. And it's like, we can shut it on, shut it off. I think it's also been really important to us because I recognize that as the, you know, owner of the company and as the host of the show, like I can make all these calls and I think I have such a respect for you and awareness for you that I don't want our dynamic to ever impact the way other people on the team or
36:02 Alex Cooper? at the company feel about you. And I think obviously it was easy when it was just the two of us, but now I never wanted you to feel like, oh, fuck. I can feel that other employees are like, oh, Lauren just gets special treatment or Lauren gets to do this because she's Alex's best friend. I think if you asked anyone at our company, they would say, one, without a doubt, Laura McMullin is the hardest working person at this company. She will do anything and everything to get the job done. You are so brilliant. Everyone respects you. And so I think if there is a moment, yes, of course, where they're like, where does Lauren stay when she comes to LA? Well, of course you're staying in my house, but it doesn't rub anyone the wrong way because I don't think, one, when we're in the office, we don't speak like we're friends.
36:47 Speaker 03 No.
36:47 Alex Cooper? You are the producer of Call Her Daddy. Like people will hear me on Zooms being like, Lauren, that doesn't look good enough. Can you please like circle back with the team? I need like three.
36:55 Speaker 03 Go fix this and like make it better and come back.
36:57 Alex Cooper? Yeah. I think I can say the reason you and I have had such a successful outcome in working together is because this isn't a friendship. It's you are my sister.
37:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
37:12 Alex Cooper? Truly. Like again, in the documentary, you see like, The ties that our families have, the relationship basically from fucking diapers together. Like this isn't something that if we get in a fight, then you're just out of my life or I'm out of your life. Like we are together forever. And I think it has allowed us to lean into the professional aspect in a way that we have such unwavering respect for each other that nothing could come between that. Because when it has, and when we've had issues, it is immediate. We're on the phone or we're in person. We're like, let's work through this. And it has been pretty seamless.
37:50 Speaker 03 Yeah.
37:51 Alex Cooper? And I can imagine a lot of people on the internet being like, how, how, I mean, of course, I have like, the looming cloud of the one really public fallout with a woman. And I feel like that has obviously tainted a lot of people's opinion of me.
38:10 Speaker 03 As a friend?
38:11 Alex Cooper? Yeah, as a friend, even though that's the only friendship people publicly saw.
38:17 Speaker 03 Of yours?
38:18 Alex Cooper? Of mine, that they thought they knew the whole story, understandably, because we did a incredible job of what our job was, and it was marketing this friendship. But I think it was just, it's just hard, because I can understand people would try to compare the two almost in like, Alex, how did you not learn your lesson of working with friends? And like, it's just so different.
38:39 Speaker 03 I think that's difficult for me to sit back and watch and read. And I'm assuming there'll probably be those type of comments when this comes out, like, oh, how'd you not learn your lesson? It's gonna happen again. And like one, like we were saying, like, I've known you for 25 years. I think people forget that you knew her for a year and a half in total.
39:00 Alex Cooper? It's just a very different situation. And I'm really proud of our friendship. And I think every friendship in my life, I almost always look at us as like, the model friendship. Because I think the way that we communicate, the way that we respect each other, the way that we are honest with each other and loyal to each other, has allowed us to put ourselves into what maybe some people would. Understandably think would be a difficult situation to put a friendship under that kind of pressure and the fact that we've thrived and has been, I think, a testament to how hard we work at being with each other through it all. I agree.
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42:11 Alex Cooper? Lauren, do you want to read some?
42:14 Speaker 03 What is the coolest experience the two of you have gotten to have together since working together?
42:20 Alex Cooper? Ooh.
42:21 Speaker 03 The Olympics was obviously very fun.
42:24 Alex Cooper? The Olympics was insane. Like, I think especially with our sports background, I think the two of us getting to go and produce a show for Peacock and...
42:34 Speaker 03 It was so much fucking work.
42:36 Alex Cooper? It was so much work, but it was so rewarding.
42:40 Speaker 03 And we won a fucking Emmy for it.
42:41 Alex Cooper? Oh, wait.
42:41 Speaker 03 We won an Emmy!
42:42 Alex Cooper? Wait, I forgot. Did we never tell anyone that?
42:44 Speaker 03 No!
42:44 Alex Cooper? You guys, we won an Emmy. Lauren and I are both gonna have Emmys in our offices.
42:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:50 Alex Cooper? I forgot that.
42:51 Speaker 03 So it made all of the blood, sweat and tears worth it.
42:54 Alex Cooper? It was so much work, but it was really rewarding. And I think I'm really proud of us because trying a new format, doing live, it was, yeah, Olympics was pretty fucking cool.
43:04 Speaker 03 Okay, what is Alex's best and worst quality as a boss?
43:09 Alex Cooper? Oh, okay.
43:10 Speaker 03 And then you can do it about me. What is my best and worst quality as an employee?
43:13 Alex Cooper? Okay, you go first.
43:15 Speaker 03 Um, okay, your best quality is how much you care because I think it's really palpable and the expectations are high and the standards are high. Obviously, that's what makes the show one of the best in the world. But I think how much you care and how hard you work inspires everyone on the team. And I think the whole company is inspired. So you're inspiring so many people on a daily basis and also the whole daddy gang.
43:41 Alex Cooper? Oh, my God. Love you.
43:42 Speaker 03 Love you too.
43:43 Alex Cooper? That's really sweet. Okay, now you're about to hit me with the worst.
43:45 Speaker 03 Um, your worst quality is your fucking typing skills.
43:49 Alex Cooper? I fucking knew you were gonna say that.
43:52 Speaker 03 I don't know if you like skipped typing class all of elementary school Lori Cooper, like what were you doing to your daughter? But she cannot type. No, I purposely changed the settings on Google Docs so that she can't get in and access them. Because she'll fuck them up. I'll make like a chart or a diagram. You like put caps lock on in the middle of a sentence. You have like punctuation in the middle of a sentence like. It's, it's, I need to like.
44:17 Alex Cooper? No Lauren like gets angry with me. She'll be like, stop typing, cause I'll have a thought. Or, or when I'm talking so fast and you can only type so fast. So then I pick it up and I try to add on what I'm saying. And then you're like, Alex, stop it. Get out of my documents. Cause Lauren's very specific about her formatting in her documents. And I come in and I just crush your fucking soul. I don't also know why. I never learned. I for some reason always use caps lock, not shift. So then I'll be in caps lock and I'll look up and like, oh fuck, no, it's bad.
44:42 Speaker 03 And even like in your work slacks, like.
44:46 Speaker 03 Even in your work slacks. Well, we don't slack each other. Like our company has a strict policy for work-life balance. We talk on Slack, but. We'll, we will text. That's the one thing that like we go around.
44:56 Alex Cooper? We're inappropriate.
44:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, we, we text. We don't slack with each other. But when you slack, you're so like. I guess it's good blunt, but like you just always seem so angry on Slack where I'm like.
45:09 Alex Cooper? And then you'll, you always sometimes will call me and be like, wait, you good? Oh my, no, yeah, I'm bad. I'm a bad, um.
45:15 Speaker 03 You're, you're bad with your fingers and words. You're, you leave the words to your mouth.
45:20 Alex Cooper? Truly.
45:21 Speaker 03 You're not one for the.
45:22 Alex Cooper? I will say it's an abomination. When I get it in those documents, it's bad. I just feel like. Yeah, it's not my strong suit. Okay, my favorite thing of working with you, two things, but only because I have to say it, even though I'm kind of taking yours, but it's a different version, which is. When I started Call Her Daddy, I genuinely never believed someone would care about the product as much as I do. And I know it is unrealistic for anyone to care that much, but you are second to none. Like, I know if there is something going on and it's 3 a.m. and I call you and I'm freaking out about something with Call Her Daddy, you will do
46:04 Alex Cooper? anything, no matter where you are in the world, no matter what's happening, you will drop everything. And you put Call Her Daddy first always. And it makes me just feel so supportive because in it being my show, I understand someone wouldn't love it as much as I do. And it, and it really does feel like you care as much as I do. So that's number one. Number two, I think it has been such an incredible process, watching you become a boss. And from starting in research and now growing to people reporting to you
46:46 Alex Cooper? and reporting structures and how much they respect you as a boss. I know something Matt and I had wanted you to work on the past like two years was being more direct and being not confrontational, but just being able to have these hard conversations, whether it's a layoff, like you've had to, Lauren has had to lay people off. Lauren has had to have honest conversation if work isn't up to par. Lauren has had to, you've just had a lot of growing, I feel like in the past two years, since Unwell has started, that I do think has allowed you to step into this executive role in a way that has changed
47:26 Alex Cooper? the way I think people see you in this space. Again, as you're not my best friend, you are one of the best, highest people at this company. And you are there for a fucking reason. It has nothing to do with you being my best friend. It's because you're really fucking talented. Okay, we're gonna get emotional. Um, okay, your worst thing, if we're gonna be nitpicky, ever since someone bought you your headphones that you edit with, or you're like doing your notes with, what do you think I'm gonna say? Every time I call you on the phone,
47:57 Speaker 03 You're like getting
47:58 Alex Cooper? You sound like you're underwater and you're going in and out, you're spotty, and I can't hear a word you're fucking saying. So I'm calling Lauren after like a debrief of a fucking interview, and I, every time I finish my interview, I get into my car, we have this ritual, I call Lauren immediately,
48:12 Speaker 03 and I, because I zoom into the interviews and I listen to the interviews live.
48:15 Alex Cooper? And then I call her and as, when it's on the top of my head, we go through every single question that I asked, and Lauren is at her computer and I debrief every question, oh, that wasn't interesting, we're gonna cut that one, oh, we're gonna have to cut this down, that their answer wasn't that interesting, oh, I wanna move that to the front, and I give Lauren all these notes, and Lauren sounds like this.
48:34 Alex Cooper? And I'm like, Lauren? And she's like, sorry, sorry, turning off my AirPods, I, sorry, Apple, I don't know what the fuck is going on, but it is.
48:40 Speaker 03 I think it's not an issue with my phone too, maybe?
48:42 Alex Cooper? Yeah, something's going on. It, I'm, I literally am like, Lauren, you're like, sorry, sorry, disconnecting, disconnecting. Um, that's my biggest pet peeve of you.
48:50 Speaker 03 Oh, great.
48:50 Alex Cooper? It's like literally so minimal.
48:52 Speaker 03 You're a bad typer and I wear headphones during conversations.
48:55 Alex Cooper? Yeah, it's fine. Okay, what else?
48:57 Speaker 03 What is the most awkward conversation you've had to have at work? Oh, I know this.
49:03 Alex Cooper? The most awkward conversation, the two of us have had to have at work?
49:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, I know this.
49:07 Alex Cooper? Okay, go ahead.
49:08 Speaker 03 So back, like we were saying, when it was just the two of us, um, I asked you for a performance review.
49:14 Alex Cooper? Why did I forget about this? Because I blacked it out.
49:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
49:16 Alex Cooper? Because I fucking blacked it out.
49:18 Speaker 03 You were like, I don't really, like, we don't need to do, I'm like, no, no, no, like, I need to, like, know, like, what are, like, my next steps to grow and how I'm doing, and like, we need to have an honest conversation about things I need to grow on and how you feel about me and the company.
49:30 Alex Cooper? And for context, when she says company. This is before Unwell. Unwell has started before we have 70, 80 people working at this company. So it's me and Lauren and Lauren's like, let's sit down for a review. And I'm like, sure, let me pour myself a coffee, even though we talk every minute of the day. And I was like, Lauren, I don't know if I can do a performance review. And she was like, just try, you guys, I wish we would have fucking recorded this zoom. I, we both show up with notes that we both wrote. Yours are probably disgusting. No, fuck you. And you can tell we're both reading off of our notes. Cause Lauren's like, I'm going to advocate for myself now and, and pitch as to why I deserve a raise. And I'm literally sitting there and be like, okay, go ahead.
50:13 Alex Cooper? And you can tell Lauren's like reading off of her computer and then I- Here's my growth, here are my strengths. And we're both dying laughing. You're like, no, stop, we need to be serious.
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52:01 Speaker 03 Cause my mom was so southern.
52:03 Alex Cooper? She'd be like, Laren, Laren.
52:07 Speaker 03 What's one thing you didn't know about each other until working together?
52:11 Alex Cooper? That's hard. Go ahead.
52:14 Speaker 03 Mine's like, kind of deep. When you're good friends with someone, like obviously you celebrate their successes and you know their accomplishments and like you are like, I did this at work today and I accomplished that. But like, when you get to like, see it and witness it on a day to day level, it's like a whole different experience. And like, I obviously knew you were creative and I knew you were smart, but like, you're like brilliant and you're like a genius and like I am constantly in all of you and I'm just like, damn, how'd she think of that?
52:44 Alex Cooper? Lauren, you're literally gonna make me cry. Thank you. No, I feel the same way about you. I think working with you, I always knew you were so smart and obviously like, we in living together, when you were more in the academic field, I was always just so inspired, but it's hard tangibly to be like, I'm not in that field. I don't know what a research paper is supposed to sound like or look like.
53:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
53:09 Alex Cooper? And I always knew you were so brilliant and we always talked about that, like how you just took after your dad in that way. Like he was so fucking bright. It was like inspiring to be in rooms with him and I feel that way about you like, and now getting to work with you, the way that you are so good at multitasking and yet giving somehow a hundred percent to every multitask at the same time. Like you juggle so many things at once. And you're so eloquent and calm and I don't know, it's just really fun to watch something that wasn't like your natural
53:53 Alex Cooper? thing that you wanted to do in your life, become something that you are beyond talented in. It is really cool to see you take it on and conquer it and make it look like you went to fucking school for this shit. So I don't know, it's just really cool to watch each other grow. And like, I think that was a moment where, so when the premiere of the documentary happened.
54:14 Alex Cooper? I think Lauren and I were just so, but you were both just so emotional because again, this is a documentary, yes, about the rise of Call Her Daddy in my life. And then you are a huge part of it. But I think a lot of that documentary was so full circle for us because of how long we've been doing this together. And so there was so much emotion tied into it. And our best friend, Kristen, who is like the third in our dynamic from childhood, who was in our childhood videos, the three of us getting to come together, I think was such a beautiful moment for me because I,
54:51 Alex Cooper? when you are having a lot of accomplishments, sometimes you forget to pause and really stop and be like, if you knew this at 18, you wouldn't even believe it. And so I think being around you has also allowed me to stop and really be more present because you remind me of childhood and you remind me of home. So it's like, I can pull out of being, I'm like, executives around me and all these people from Spotify or Sirius, whoever it be. And when I look at you, it brings me back to childhood and it makes this job still feel like a mom and pop thing that like, hasn't gotten too big and out of my control. And it still is my baby and it still is something that is all that's coming from the heart. And I think that's what I'm excited about, that people know now that
55:36 Alex Cooper? you are working with me. It, I hope it gives people more clarity. Whether you hate the interviews or love the interviews, like, it's us. And it's not some big corporation that's writing these things. And I'm just regurgitating, like, it's us. And like it or hate it, I'm really proud that we haven't strayed from the basement to now. Like, it is always gonna be us.
56:06 Alex Cooper? Look at that ending. That was-
56:08 Speaker 03 I think that's where we have to end it.
56:09 Alex Cooper? You guys, I am so, so happy. We finally got to get this off our chests. Now, no one's gonna think Lauren just like doesn't have a job and just like is randomly in LA.
56:17 Speaker 03 For like the longest time, all the comments were always like, "How is Lauren always with you? Like, how does she like travel around? Like, does she even have a job?"
56:25 Alex Cooper? Right.
56:26 Speaker 03 I have a job.
56:27 Alex Cooper? Lauren works at Call Her Daddy in Undwell and it's just now, I guess, the beginning of you guys knowing this next chapter of our life. And I don't think we're slowing down anytime soon. I think we're just ramping up. Oh, there's so much coming. Get fucking ready, bitches. Love you guys. Thank you so much for tuning in. I will see you fuckers next Wednesday. Goodbye.
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