Jack Harlow: I’m *Not* Vanilla Baby (FBF)

Join Alex in the studio for a sit-down interview with Jack Harlow. Jack reminisces on his childhood in Louisville and why his hometown is so important to him. He also tells some hilarious stories from his teenage years like relying on girls to pass exams, how the Harry Potter books turned him on, and how he lost his virginity. Jack clarifies what he thinks “vanilla sex” is and even gives some insight into what he personally likes in the bedroom. Jack and Alex talk about his songwriting process, his new single, and what fans should expect next. Daddy Gang, get ready to know Jack on a whole new level in this chaotic episode.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

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• 3:15Speaker 01

  Hi.

• 3:15Speaker 02

  How could someone simply saying hi make you immediately like them?

• 3:20Speaker 01

  The tough one. I don't know if I can describe myself on camera. I'm self proclaiming myself as the best rapper in Louisville right now, right here.

• 3:27Speaker 03

  I took it up a notch.

• 3:28Speaker 04

  This Jack Harlow shit kinda hard.

• 3:31Speaker 05

  Jack Harlow does mention my name in the song. This new Jack Harlow song. Currently going viral right now.

• 3:41Speaker 05

  In the upcoming remake of White Man Can't Jump.

• 3:43Alex Cooper?

  Already been nominated for a ring.

• 3:52Alex Cooper?

  What is up daddy gang? It is your founding father Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy.

• 4:00Alex Cooper?

  Jack Harlow, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 4:02Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 4:03Alex Cooper?

  I'm so happy you made it from Vegas.

• 4:05Speaker 03

  Me too.

• 4:06Alex Cooper?

  That was like a close call.

• 4:07Speaker 03

  Couldn't wait to get out of there.

• 4:08Alex Cooper?

  Just like not the vibe to be in Vegas all the time.

• 4:11Speaker 03

  Shit, it's not the vibe anytime, but.

• 4:14Alex Cooper?

  Were you there for 24 hours?

• 4:16Speaker 03

  I was there for business, yeah.

• 4:17Alex Cooper?

  Hmm, business, no pleasure.

• 4:20Speaker 03

  Oh, you know, I, I take pleasure in business sometimes, but yeah, I know what you're asking me, nah.

• 4:26Alex Cooper?

  No, you didn't meet any ladies.

• 4:27Speaker 03

  I didn't spend any money, nah.

• 4:29Alex Cooper?

  Okay, okay, good to know. Um, I want to go back to the beginning because I'm like, already you sitting in this chair, Jack? The ladies are blushing. They're happy, they're cozy, they're like, oh, Jack's here, they all have a crush. But today, we're going to make them really fall in love, I can tell. Okay, so we need to get to know you, okay?

• 4:49Alex Cooper?

  So we're going to go back to the very beginning. You grew up in Kentucky, born and raised.

• 4:53Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 4:54Alex Cooper?

  You just moved back.

• 4:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:58Alex Cooper?

  Tell me, why is your hometown so?

• 5:02Alex Cooper?

  Why are you looking at me?

• 5:03Speaker 03

  Nah, just excited.

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• 9:48Speaker 03

  Gosh, where do I start? Um, I mean, I've grown up listening to rap music. You would hear artists talk about the cities they were from and just lift them up and I was just like, damn, Louisville needs that. And so it became a priority to me.

• 10:05Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 10:06Speaker 03

  And um, I love where I'm from. I just love it. I love it. That's why I'm there. It just makes me happy and I think it's like, it's slow and it's laid back.

• 10:15Alex Cooper?

  Little different than LA.

• 10:17Speaker 03

  Yes, very, very, very.

• 10:19Alex Cooper?

  Um, is it, okay, you just said like, you kind of like roll it off the tongue. You're like Louisville. Is it Louisville?

• 10:26Speaker 03

  You almost got it. You almost got it. I'd say locally, it's the ville is more vol.

• 10:33Alex Cooper?

  Vol.

• 10:34Speaker 03

  Louisville.

• 10:35Alex Cooper?

  Louisville.

• 10:35Speaker 03

  Louisville.

• 10:36Alex Cooper?

  Louisville. It kind of just like in the throat. You're just like, oh.

• 10:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, it just. It's buttery. It's syrupy.

• 10:44Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, but like if you hear people say Louisville, do you give a shit?

• 10:48Speaker 03

  Well, not deeply. And I, I'm beyond my like correcting at stage.

• 10:53Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  It's just, it's not tasteful, but you peep it, you notice.

• 10:57Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, cause I, so I, my friends both went to college there, like my good friends. And then when I went for a wedding last year, I was trying to suss out the vibe because I was like, I want to say Louisville, but like I was trying to not like embarrass myself. So I just said Louisville. But then you just said I said it right. So I'm going to just keep saying Louisville.

• 11:15Speaker 03

  Louisville.

• 11:16Alex Cooper?

  Louisville.

• 11:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're there. You're there.

• 11:18Alex Cooper?

  What do you think is the biggest misconception people have about Kentucky?

• 11:23Speaker 03

  It's a good question. It's really good. I see why you're in the position you're in. You know what to do.

• 11:29Alex Cooper?

  I'm just getting started.

• 11:30Speaker 03

  You know what to do. Trust me, I believe it. Um.

• 11:36Speaker 03

  Well, I'll tell you specifically, the city I'm from feels very misunderstood, I think. In terms of like a national identity, because Kentucky's so dominantly rural. And Louisville is, is like a full blown city, like with a downtown, tall buildings, like hundreds of thousands of people live there. So. I think we feel a little misunderstood for that reason. So Louisville specifically, there's some misconceptions. I don't want to speak for the whole state, but there's always more than meets the eye.

• 12:08Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, there is. Like you. What were you like as a kid?

• 12:16Speaker 03

  I wasn't allowed to play video games when I was really young, so I read a lot.

• 12:20Alex Cooper?

  What'd you read?

• 12:22Speaker 03

  Novels on novels, really into Harry Potter.

• 12:28Speaker 03

  I just read, I remember there was this series, I'm glad you asked, so I have a chance to shout it out, it's called Warriors. It was about these cats that lived in clans and tribes and it just had me fucking hooked. I was just, yeah, I was, I was deep in it. So, um, I just loved books. I don't know if I would be able to do what I was doing without the literature in my early life. I heard hip hop for the first time, I was like, shit, this rhythm mixed with expressing myself was just.

• 12:58Alex Cooper?

  I didn't realize you were a Harry Potter stan, can we talk about that for a second?

• 13:02Speaker 03

  Well, I'm not a stan, but yes.

• 13:04Alex Cooper?

  Then what the fuck are you?

• 13:05Speaker 03

  Fuck it, I'm a stan, come on, let's go.

• 13:09Alex Cooper?

  Oh, you're like easily persuaded.

• 13:11Speaker 03

  I'm easy, yeah.

• 13:13Alex Cooper?

  Peer pressure, let's go, Jack, the whole time.

• 13:18Alex Cooper?

  Who's your favorite?

• 13:20Speaker 03

  Of the Harry Potters?

• 13:21Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 13:21Speaker 03

  The characters?

• 13:22Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 13:26Speaker 03

  Who was that Asian girl he was fucking with?

• 13:30Alex Cooper?

  She was like there for a second.

• 13:32Speaker 03

  She had me, she had me weak, I can't lie, she had me open reading that shit. The details, J K Rowling used to bring it, I was in there, nine years old, pants tightening up, I'm like, what the fuck is happening to me?

• 13:48Alex Cooper?

  Do you think the first time you jerked off was when you were like at like the sixteenth chapter and you were like, alright, I gotta put the book down, I'm getting hard?

• 13:54Speaker 03

  Nah, I know what the first time I beat my dick was.

• 13:58Alex Cooper?

  Share with the class, Jack.

• 14:00Speaker 03

  Damn, I just realized, I've been waiting for a chance. Just right up to Jimmy Fallon, they wanna talk about it, so.

• 14:07Alex Cooper?

  No one wants to talk about that shit, they'll bleep it out, they'll cut the whole thing out.

• 14:11Speaker 03

  This is right up your alley.

• 14:12Alex Cooper?

  This will be the whole promo, this will be it.

• 14:15Speaker 03

  I just remember. I just remember, I remember first time I, I tried to go there.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  It rose and it was like, the feeling was so unfamiliar to me, that I got all the way to near climax. And stopped, I think I was 12 years old in middle school and I just stopped because I was like, I don't know what's gonna happen if this busts. And so I went to sleep, I just went to sleep and the next night I'm like, fuck it, I'm going all the way and I came a ocean, but.

• 14:43Alex Cooper?

  Do you remember that feeling? Like, what did you think to yourself?

• 14:46Speaker 03

  I thought, god damn, I get it. This shit's alright.

• 14:51Alex Cooper?

  I love how you gave yourself blue balls for like the first time, you're like.

• 14:54Speaker 03

  I was terrified, I didn't know, because it just was rising and rising and rising, I'm like, where are we going?

• 14:58Alex Cooper?

  Great feeling. You said that you weren't allowed to play video games. What was your house like growing up? Like, what was the dynamic? Who's in your house? What's going on?

• 15:07Speaker 03

  My two parents who love each other deeply to this day and my little brother.

• 15:11Alex Cooper?

  Oh nice.

• 15:12Speaker 03

  I owe a lot to my parents, I got good parents.

• 15:14Alex Cooper?

  You do. And they're still together?

• 15:16Speaker 03

  They are, deeply in love.

• 15:17Alex Cooper?

  Wow. So are you kind of like a romantic guy?

• 15:21Speaker 03

  You know, I was for a while.

• 15:23Alex Cooper?

  Oh, what happened?

• 15:25Speaker 03

  I don't know. I'm just deeply in my patch, in my patch stage right now, like, not that I'm, I'm not, I'm not like necessarily cutthroat. I just like, I think when I was 21, I just seeked so much validation. And it gave me such a rush to make a girl feel special and it was almost like, how many can I make feel special, just to be honest? I think I, I didn't want to sleep by myself, like I need, and if I was, I wanted to get on FaceTime with someone and fall asleep on FaceTime. And something shifted where I want my space more than ever. And um, I'm, I'm as transparent as I've ever been.

• 16:07Speaker 03

  And I'm just tell it what it is and I I don't fucking I'm not worried if if it's not right for the other person it's like let's keep moving.

• 16:15Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, peace out.

• 16:16Speaker 03

  So it's it's a different stage. I think something in the last like twelve months probably, something shifted.

• 16:22Alex Cooper?

  I think I know it shifted, but we'll get there. Um, okay.

• 16:25Speaker 03

  Can't wait to hear your diagnosis.

• 16:27Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, don't worry. We're going full diagnosis. This is a therapy session, just so you know. Are you in therapy?

• 16:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:32Alex Cooper?

  Okay, good. Well, this is an extended version.

• 16:35Speaker 03

  Good.

• 16:35Alex Cooper?

  You can tell your therapist, we don't need our session this week. I sit down with Alex.

• 16:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's already canceled.

• 16:39Alex Cooper?

  You said, you said that you were like, you were looking for validation. Talk to me about what you were like in high school. Did you get the girls? Were you a loser? Were you bullied? Were you the bully? What was going on?

• 16:52Speaker 03

  Um, I could always get, I could always get the girl I wanted. It's not like I was like, I didn't have my way across the board, but I could get the cute girl.

• 17:05Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 17:06Speaker 03

  I could get the cute girl. I was, I was well-liked in high school.

• 17:09Alex Cooper?

  What were your friends like? I feel like that kinda like, were you like an athlete guy? Were you a like chess player? Were you in the book club?

• 17:17Speaker 03

  I I started making music so early that the rapper category kinda got stamped on me really early. So I would pass out CDs in school and everyone knew I was chasing this for a long time.

• 17:28Alex Cooper?

  Mm-hmm.

• 17:29Speaker 03

  So I was in sort of my own category.

• 17:32Alex Cooper?

  Category.

• 17:32Speaker 03

  Even locally, I experienced a taste of fame from the age of like fourteen on because I would go out in public and people would stop me and ask me for pictures just at other schools. So it was unique. It was unique.

• 17:45Alex Cooper?

  I feel like I know, fuck, what was his name? Was it like Sammy? Do you know who I'm talking about?

• 17:49Speaker 03

  Sammy Adams.

• 17:50Alex Cooper?

  Sa- Sammy Adams, from Philly.

• 17:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:52Alex Cooper?

  And I remember, I know what you're talking about of like, I feel like a lot of high schools.

• 17:56Speaker 03

  I opened for Sammy Adams when I was eighteen years old.

• 17:57Alex Cooper?

  Shut the fuck up.

• 17:58Speaker 03

  I was eighteen years old. No one was there to see me.

• 18:00Alex Cooper?

  Oh.

• 18:01Speaker 03

  I was playing for his crowd. It was fine. It's right, right of passage.

• 18:03Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 18:04Speaker 03

  First tour I ever went on, like four dates on the east coast, we drove ourselves out there. No one with us, just me, my DJ and two of my friends. And we drove from every venue and we opened up to a bunch of people staring at us like. What the fuck is this? Like, can Samuel please come out here? Like, fuck.

• 18:21Alex Cooper?

  Samuel.

• 18:22Speaker 03

  This chat kid does not do it for me. And I was like, you know, no beard, glasses still on, like, didn't know how to cut my hair. Like, I was, it was raw. It was a very raw time, but it was character building.

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• 20:18Alex Cooper?

  and is not intended to be financial advice. That's kind of funny, the juxtaposition of like, you being a rapper and then having like your glasses and like, maybe not like looking the part.

• 20:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think, I think when I was younger, I really was like banking on that juxtaposition. I think, I think I was like, ooh, this shock value is gonna be what does it for me. And then I think I got to a point where I took the glasses off and like started like tending to how I looked. Became slightly more vain and I was like, I like looking in the mirror and being pleased. Like, I don't really wanna be tethered to these glasses, so that's how the shift came about.

• 20:52Alex Cooper?

  Were people in your hometown, like, I feel like sometimes people are assholes at that age, being like, you're a fucking loser, stop trying to make it. Were, were people around you supportive, or were they like, you're dumb, move on?

• 21:05Speaker 03

  It was split, it was polarizing for people. People were, it was, it was very divisive, like, people either thought it was super tight that I was doing that, or they thought like, from a distance, they never would say it to me. I was, I wasn't stuffed in the locker material. I was, you know, I was walking through that motherfucker with broad shoulders, like, I wasn't, I wasn't the high school quarterback, but like, nobody was fucking talking to me, you know? But, there were people that definitely thought it was lame and would shit on me and, out here from other schools, if people thought it was lame, like, oh, you fucked with that kid, that shit's terrible, so, it was split.

• 21:40Alex Cooper?

  You know what's funny is like, just so anyone listening, the ladies, like, I think there's something on Google, cuz I was gonna give you merch, and I was like, oh, like, I, I remember I met him at SNL, and like, he's taller than I expected. And online, there's something of like, he's either five eight, or he's like, six two. And there's like a misconception, and I think like, people think you're shorter than you are, so I'm here to say, you're pretty tall.

• 22:05Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 22:06Alex Cooper?

  So, yeah, you weren't getting stuffed into lockers.

• 22:08Speaker 03

  Thank you for that, too.

• 22:09Alex Cooper?

  You wouldn't have fit.

• 22:10Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 22:11Alex Cooper?

  Um, how would your teachers have described you back then?

• 22:15Speaker 03

  If they were British, they would've said cheeky. I was well-liked by my teachers, but I was not focused on school at all.

• 22:23Alex Cooper?

  Good grades, bad grades?

• 22:24Speaker 03

  Poor.

• 22:25Alex Cooper?

  Poor.

• 22:26Speaker 03

  Mediocre.

• 22:27Alex Cooper?

  Like, D's or C's?

• 22:29Speaker 03

  C's and D's, not failing, getting through, but like, not focused, cheating endlessly.

• 22:35Alex Cooper?

  Oh, you know, it's a skill.

• 22:38Speaker 03

  Fuck, the thing is, at the beginning of high school, we signed like a, uh, did y'all have to do that? We signed like an oath. And I was like, fuck, man, they could take me to court, cuz I didn't earn my shit, I'll tell you what.

• 22:54Alex Cooper?

  How far would you go to cheat? Like, did you have any, like, tricks?

• 22:57Speaker 03

  I had tricks.

• 22:58Alex Cooper?

  Surely the tricks, now you're not in school.

• 23:00Speaker 03

  Trust me, I had tricks.

• 23:01Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 23:01Speaker 03

  I had tricks. I was, uh...

• 23:06Speaker 03

  I was just in with the smart girls in the classes. I was in with them. You could send picture messages when I was in high school, like, you know, obviously, I didn't grow up in the sixties, so. I'm joking, but if I had a vibe with a girl, she was coming through with eleven attachments. I'm like.

• 23:28Speaker 03

  She would bless me and I'd be like, mm, I owe you. I'm gonna take care of you.

• 23:34Speaker 03

  Because that is a love language right there, ain't it?

• 23:37Alex Cooper?

  Baby, you helped me cheat.

• 23:39Speaker 03

  Right, oh.

• 23:40Alex Cooper?

  And you will get.

• 23:41Speaker 03

  How intimate is that, though? How intimate is that? That is special. And I used to just put my arm around like, you held me down. I'm like, oh, I owe you. I don't know what I owe you, but I owe you something. We gonna figure it out.

• 23:53Alex Cooper?

  It was the attention. What you gave them, or did you ever hook up with anyone that helped you cheat?

• 24:00Speaker 03

  I'm sure. I'm sure I did, but I don't think it was. I don't know if it was a direct, like, debt exchange when I did it. But coincidentally, I may have, but it was love. It was love. I always had, I always had a lot of homegirls, like. That it didn't have to go anywhere. It was just, there's nothing like the company of a woman. I know I'm in the right arena to be saying that, but I really, I deeply believe that. Like, it's like, it's so relaxed.

• 24:30Alex Cooper?

  It is. We're pretty great. But what I can imagine is like, did you have a girlfriend in high school ever?

• 24:37Speaker 03

  I did for a portion of it.

• 24:38Alex Cooper?

  How did that go over with her, of you having all these lady friends?

• 24:41Speaker 03

  Well, she's at another school.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  Let me chill.

• 24:46Alex Cooper?

  I feel like you played, you played a lot of games back in the day.

• 24:50Speaker 03

  It didn't feel like it. I just was me. I just was, I was, I like to, I just like to have friends.

• 24:57Alex Cooper?

  You like to have friends with vaginas.

• 24:59Speaker 03

  It's like I wanna move on, because somehow the wounds seem fresh, no matter how long ago it was. It's just like, yo, let's chill, let's chill.

• 25:05Alex Cooper?

  We're literally talking about high school and middle school.

• 25:07Speaker 03

  So, yeah, like, this, she gonna hear this.

• 25:11Alex Cooper?

  How many girlfriends did you have in high school?

• 25:14Speaker 03

  I had one.

• 25:15Alex Cooper?

  How long?

• 25:17Speaker 03

  A year. I was on the same shit I'm on now, then I'm. You know, playing the field, you know, chilling, seeing what's going on.

• 25:25Alex Cooper?

  Oh, assessing the situation. Uh huh, uh huh.

• 25:29Speaker 03

  You are funny.

• 25:30Alex Cooper?

  Okay, we're moving on. What was the major turning point in your career? If you had to say like one big moment where you're like, oh, people fucking know me now.

• 25:40Speaker 03

  I mean, What's Poppin' was a huge one. There was little steps up till then, like, there's a lot of people that approached me and tell me at different times in the late 2010s, they became aware of me, like, had these records that would go viral on Twitter. From like 2017, 2018, 2019, so it was building, it was building, and then it was, and then it took this big jump with What's Poppin', and I remember pulling up at a red light and the person next to me looking over and being like, and that was when I was like, oh, okay.

• 26:07Alex Cooper?

  Here we go.

• 26:08Speaker 03

  Just, I'm out in public, I'm not in my hometown, and people are stopping me, so.

• 26:14Alex Cooper?

  That must be so crazy, like, now understanding that you always kind of were like recognizable in Kentucky, but then to go somewhere else and be like, oh, fuck, I think I'm like famous now, how do you handle that? Do you like it?

• 26:27Speaker 03

  It's very validating, I mean, especially overseas, like, walking through New Zealand and Australia and people, people know, it's like, you feel, that's one of those moments where you take that time to pat yourself on the back, so. It feels really good, it feels good.

• 26:44Alex Cooper?

  Do you like the New Zealand women?

• 26:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:48Alex Cooper?

  What country have you like, maybe liked the most of the ladies? Who shows you the most love outside of the US?

• 26:56Speaker 03

  I really like London. Those women know how to talk. You know what I mean, they know how to talk.

• 27:04Alex Cooper?

  You like a woman that talks a lot?

• 27:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I like, uh, well, yeah.

• 27:10Speaker 03

  You spun that a certain way.

• 27:11Alex Cooper?

  Not too much.

• 27:14Alex Cooper?

  Shut the fuck up, but, to a point.

• 27:17Speaker 03

  Hey, let me tell you something, you are funny, you are funny.

• 27:20Alex Cooper?

  You're kind of funny too.

• 27:20Speaker 03

  I mean, I assumed you were, but this is proof right here.

• 27:24Alex Cooper?

  Okay, thanks.

• 27:24Speaker 03

  I just think the women over there.

• 27:29Speaker 03

  Have a certain wit and a certain, you know, they just are.

• 27:32Alex Cooper?

  Cheeky.

• 27:33Speaker 03

  They're cheeky and they feel like they read a lot of books growing up.

• 27:36Alex Cooper?

  You like a strong, confident, smart woman?

• 27:41Speaker 03

  All those sound good.

• 27:42Alex Cooper?

  What's your type?

• 27:43Speaker 03

  I just like sweet arts, man. I like sweet ass girls. I like sweet ass girls.

• 27:48Alex Cooper?

  So if a girl's playing a game with you, are you like, no? Like, do you like a girl that's like, hi, Jack, like, I like you? Or are you saying just like sweet, nice-hearted, but like, maybe they can kind of get it to you?

• 27:57Speaker 03

  I'm not saying a girl has to like, be a pushover, let me walk all over her. That's not what I mean by sweet. I just mean that. I don't like mean-spirited energy at all. And I don't like toxicity. I don't, that, that's not one of my fetishes. And I know that's, that's going right now. There's a lot of guys that are into that.

• 28:14Alex Cooper?

  They love it.

• 28:15Speaker 03

  I have no patience for it. And I'm glad you asked about games. I don't, I don't want to play any game. I just want to enjoy it. And that's right now. That's who I am right now. If you ask me this when I'm, when I turn thirty, who knows?

• 28:26Alex Cooper?

  Maybe you're playing the games at thirty.

• 28:27Speaker 03

  Hopefully not.

• 28:28Alex Cooper?

  Maybe you're stirring up the toxic.

• 28:29Speaker 03

  There's no telling. I'm just saying, they're, they're, it may shift from sweet to like, yo, I need a woman that is, that challenges the fuck out of me. And is at this level, is above me, this and that. It's like, it's just where I am right now.

• 28:41Alex Cooper?

  Like, maybe you want a woman that's like, making the bread.

• 28:44Speaker 03

  I mean, it doesn't sound like the worst thing in the world.

• 28:46Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. You mentioned, when you were talking about vulnerability, I'm like, what's your biggest insecurity when you were younger? And like, do you still feel that way?

• 28:53Speaker 03

  I think when I was really young, my teeth were, pre-braces, my teeth made it, you know, when you're like eight years old and your teeth are fucked.

• 29:01Alex Cooper?

  Me too.

• 29:02Speaker 03

  It's a common one. That was one.

• 29:04Alex Cooper?

  Did you get braces where like, you would like decorate with the colors on the little?

• 29:09Speaker 03

  I think I had some blue shit going on.

• 29:11Alex Cooper?

  But like Halloween time, you didn't do like, black and orange?

• 29:14Speaker 03

  Nah, but you did.

• 29:16Alex Cooper?

  I didn't. It was like disgusting. Like, I look back and I'm like, it looks like there's like carrots and black beans in my teeth.

• 29:22Speaker 03

  It don't matter then. I can totally see that. I could totally see you at eleven years old.

• 29:27Alex Cooper?

  Oh my God, I had, I had two big front teeth and no one wanted to finger me. No one wanted to touch me, Doc. I was always the girl like, never on the top five.

• 29:39Speaker 03

  Never getting fingered.

• 29:40Alex Cooper?

  Never.

• 29:41Speaker 03

  DM, DM, DM. I got the craziest story about fingering.

• 29:44Alex Cooper?

  Okay, sure.

• 29:47Speaker 03

  I low-key wanted to take this shit to NBC, but we're here. You already brought up fingering. I just want to tell you about a pregnancy scare I had.

• 29:55Alex Cooper?

  Okay, here we go.

• 29:56Speaker 03

  In middle school.

• 29:57Alex Cooper?

  Okay, here we go.

• 30:01Speaker 03

  So, I had this chick I was messing with, seventh, seventh or eighth grade, I think eighth grade. And, um, she was touching me, I was touching her and

• 30:13Speaker 03

  a little bit of precome like got on her hands and my, my hands.

• 30:18Speaker 03

  And you know about precome, so.

• 30:21Speaker 03

  So then I, I fingered my girlfriend in middle school. And the next day she hit me and she's like, yeah, I think I missed my period. And I'm like, now hold on. And I started to, my mind starts racing, my mind starts racing, thinking about it all. And we meet up at the buses and I'm like, you know I had precome on my fingers when I was touching you. I don't know if, do you think, and she was like, and then days went by, I remember, I swear to God, I remember, I remember it so vividly, she texted me. I asked her, I'm like, did you get it? And she's like, I still didn't get it, my period, and thunder struck outside my window. Thunder struck. And I was like, fuck.

• 31:04Speaker 03

  And I was so convinced this girl was pregnant. And I couldn't tell anybody, I didn't have nobody to talk to.

• 31:10Alex Cooper?

  Like, we're having a baby.

• 31:11Speaker 03

  Like, my parents, I couldn't have told them I even fingered somebody, because it was like, what the fuck are you doing fingering somebody? And, uh,

• 31:19Alex Cooper?

  Little do you know, if you told your parents, they'd be like, let us teach you a little thing about sex.

• 31:23Speaker 03

  It would have been such a relief. So it's my birthday weekend, ruining my thirteenth, twelfth or thirteenth birthday. And I remember being at school and I just like leaning against the wall in the hallway as everyone's going in the class and I just slide down the wall and put my head in my hands and start bawling. Like, I started fucking crying because I'm so convinced I just got a girl pregnant and just ruined everything. And, um,

• 31:48Speaker 03

  it was just dark, dark, dark. And then after school, I just was like down in the dumps, I couldn't tell anyone why. And then she came to me and she's like, I got my period. I was so relieved. So relieved. But that was a, that was one of my first tastes of like grown up anxiety.

• 32:04Alex Cooper?

  Did you use condoms ever since?

• 32:06Speaker 03

  Yes. On my fingers too.

• 32:11Alex Cooper?

  Wrap that shit up.

• 32:12Speaker 03

  You know it.

• 32:13Alex Cooper?

  Every time you have sex, you use a condom.

• 32:20Speaker 03

  And everyone should.

• 32:24Alex Cooper?

  Have you ever had sex without a condom?

• 32:26Speaker 03

  I've always wanted to.

• 32:29Alex Cooper?

  You think you'll ever get a go?

• 32:32Speaker 03

  Maybe after marriage.

• 32:34Alex Cooper?

  Oh, you'll let it go raw?

• 32:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:36Alex Cooper?

  What do you think it will feel like?

• 32:38Speaker 03

  I lost my virginity raw, actually.

• 32:40Alex Cooper?

  What the fuck?

• 32:42Speaker 03

  And god damn, it was great. In that moment, I was like, oh shit! Because it had taken, it had taken me and her weeks to get it in, because I didn't know you had to wet it up. So I was putting, I was putting dry on dry. I was putting the dry dick against the dry.

• 32:58Alex Cooper?

  This shit's huge!

• 32:59Speaker 03

  I'm like, this motherfucker won't go. And then, and then, I just.

• 33:05Alex Cooper?

  Spit it up!

• 33:06Speaker 03

  Spit it on. And suddenly, then it just, it just fell in, and I was like, I remember I was in that motherfucker, I looked down at her, I was like, oh, we gonna be here for a minute, if I'm lucky. And I started, woo, I started.

• 33:20Alex Cooper?

  Wake it up!

• 33:21Speaker 03

  And then forty-five seconds later, it's over.

• 33:23Alex Cooper?

  We gone!

• 33:24Speaker 03

  I was like, I gotta, I'm outta, I'm outta. But I, I, it's so funny, it's so stupid, but it is an amazing moment when you first feel that, and it's good, it's, I know they teach us, around that time, you're getting all this promotion, all this propaganda, put a condom on. In my head, I'm like, alright, alright, like, come on, like, I'm going to, but on my first go, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna have a barrier between me and that motherfucker.

• 33:50Alex Cooper?

  I wanna feel that shit!

• 33:52Speaker 03

  Thank god I did, because I, I was like, this is why, this is humanity. I felt humanity in one stroke. I felt the cause of humanity in one stroke.

• 34:02Alex Cooper?

  We know you love Dua Lipa.

• 34:05Alex Cooper?

  What other celebrities are you crushing on?

• 34:10Speaker 03

  There's someone, but I don't think it's mutual, so.

• 34:13Alex Cooper?

  Oh.

• 34:14Speaker 03

  I don't really wanna talk about it.

• 34:15Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, but like, what if you like, put it out into the world and it like?

• 34:20Speaker 03

  And it's not time yet.

• 34:21Alex Cooper?

  It's not time? You give us a hint?

• 34:24Speaker 03

  She's beautiful.

• 34:26Alex Cooper?

  Well, fucking obviously.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  Well, there's only a few. Not joking.

• 34:31Alex Cooper?

  You're doing great.

• 34:32Speaker 03

  What does it say?

• 34:32Alex Cooper?

  Just in case you're doubting yourself.

• 34:34Speaker 03

  About this interview?

• 34:35Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, you're doing great.

• 34:36Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 34:36Alex Cooper?

  You're doing great.

• 34:37Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 34:38Alex Cooper?

  I like your purple pants, your pink outfit. It goes, did you match it to the studio or does that happen chance? Like it didn't?

• 34:45Speaker 03

  I didn't match it to the studio, but there was something about the fit that felt appropriate.

• 34:49Alex Cooper?

  You kinda look like you're the host of this show. You fit more into this room than me.

• 34:53Speaker 03

  At the moment, but you run this shit. Let's be fucking honest, the fuck. But I, I, I'll tell you, I'll give you something.

• 34:59Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 34:59Speaker 03

  I like a girl next door, anyway.

• 35:01Alex Cooper?

  Hmm.

• 35:02Speaker 03

  So I don't need any internet presence. I like, I like me a librarian.

• 35:07Alex Cooper?

  Hmm.

• 35:08Speaker 03

  I like a waitress.

• 35:10Alex Cooper?

  Would you like a nurse?

• 35:12Speaker 03

  You don't know me. You don't know me. You must not know. I love, I'm, I've written a song about nurses.

• 35:21Alex Cooper?

  We really?

• 35:22Speaker 03

  Girls wear scrubs in my shows. And I'm not being funny.

• 35:26Alex Cooper?

  Okay, let's role play. You're trying to impress me. You're taking me on a date.

• 35:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:32Alex Cooper?

  Walk me through what we're doing, where we're going, what's the vibe?

• 35:39Speaker 03

  I really like going to dinner, and obviously that's not revolutionary, but that's just one of my favorite pastimes. Honestly, I love going out to dinner with or without a girl. Like, I just love it. I think I would just set up a plan and just tell you what it is and we run it. I don't know, I don't, I don't. I'm not the most extravagant, but I would, I like to be somewhere quiet. I don't want, I don't want music blaring. I don't wanna be yelling over something. I wanna be with you in a dark corner, in a booth. And I want us to be able to get as close as we wanna get. And. You know, exchange smiles, whisper in each other's ear, like, true intimacy. That's like, if I really wanna go on a date with a girl, I wanna be, I don't wanna go to a movie.

• 36:19Speaker 03

  I don't wanna go do an activity. I wanna be, I wanna be how you and I are right now, but there's ain't no marble table between us. Like, I wanna be on each other.

• 36:28Alex Cooper?

  When was your last serious relationship?

• 36:30Speaker 03

  Sometime in the last couple of years.

• 36:32Alex Cooper?

  How long did it last?

• 36:34Speaker 03

  Couple of years.

• 36:35Alex Cooper?

  Have you ever been in love?

• 36:37Speaker 03

  I'd like to think so.

• 36:38Alex Cooper?

  How many times?

• 36:41Speaker 03

  Potentially once. Well, I hear people describe love and I'm like, god damn, like, that is something. That is something. But

• 36:53Speaker 03

  I don't know if I've been intoxicated, like, I've felt deep infatuation. But I, I've been in love with someone once. I've been in love with someone and loved someone and

• 37:03Speaker 03

  I've felt that, but I don't know if I've felt the highest heights I've seen other people go. I've seen people just lose themselves in it. And it's like, I'm not, it's not a criticism of it, I'm more just like, wow, like, that is a deep rush. Like, I ain't never

• 37:16Alex Cooper?

  Had that.

• 37:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 37:18Alex Cooper?

  Okay, I bet you will one day.

• 37:21Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 37:21Alex Cooper?

  And then I think maybe you'll say, ooh, like, now I'm really in love.

• 37:25Speaker 03

  Well, that's how it seems to go, right? I mean, my high school girlfriend, like, there might have been a sense of like, oh, we're in love. And then you have another one after that, you're like, no, this is it. And then you have another

• 37:33Alex Cooper?

  But don't you, that maybe is just also life. Like, maybe you're not capable in high school, like, you actually were in that moment in love of what you were capable of getting.

• 37:41Speaker 03

  And you just keep dialing in your preferences. And suddenly you're with somebody that fits where you're at right then. And you're like, oh yeah, this is what the fuck I've been looking for.

• 37:48Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. A brunette that's sweet in a nurse outfit? Done.

• 37:53Speaker 03

  Oh, you just give me chills. The fuck?

• 38:14Alex Cooper?

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• 38:59Alex Cooper?

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• 39:44Alex Cooper?

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• 40:30Alex Cooper?

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• 41:13Alex Cooper?

  You say, "I'm vanilla, baby. I'll choke you, but I ain't no killer, baby."

• 41:22Speaker 03

  You're smacking the delivery.

• 41:27Alex Cooper?

  On a scale of vanilla to kinky, where are you at in your sex game?

• 41:35Speaker 03

  Five.

• 41:36Alex Cooper?

  Five.

• 41:37Speaker 03

  Weak ass answer, right?

• 41:39Alex Cooper?

  Come on.

• 41:39Speaker 03

  Well, it's just like, I have, I have my kinks. I can't front. But I also, if you ask the woman I'm with, it's like, they're like, "God damn, I wish I could get this guy to just fucking arch his back all the time." I'm like, "I'm not arching my back. You're not putting nothing in my ass." Like, I'm sorry. It's me. It's me. It's just... So, everybody's got their thing, but I had to be coaxed. I had to be taught. I had to, I had to learn. I had to learn how to talk.

• 42:08Alex Cooper?

  During sex?

• 42:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 42:09Alex Cooper?

  You were immune?

• 42:10Speaker 03

  Well, when I was 19, yeah, I was just like, I was a breather.

• 42:14Speaker 03

  But I started to, I started to figure that out. And so, you know, people ask for what they want and you're like, some of it, you're like, "Okay, this is actually turning me up." But then some of it, like the lyric in the song is like, "I'll do that for you." But it's not making my dick harder.

• 42:32Speaker 03

  But I know it's not, it's not about me in that moment.

• 42:36Alex Cooper?

  Can you help me understand? We got vanilla and we got kinky and you're in the middle. So I'm gonna say something to you and you're gonna tell me if it's vanilla or kinky.

• 42:45Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 42:46Alex Cooper?

  Missionary sex.

• 42:49Speaker 03

  The best. As good as it gets. It's that corner booth in sex form, ain't it?

• 42:55Alex Cooper?

  Don't you think sometimes people think missionary would be vanilla? But if you do it the right way.

• 42:59Speaker 03

  I know they think it is. It's fine with me. That's how we got going though. That's how the homo erectus was like, that's, that's default. Like, let's just face facts, it's default. We've been over-sexualized as a culture. And motherfuckers don't wanna look each other in the eye anymore. And put their nose on each other's nose. And put their tongue down each other's throats while they're getting stroked. Like, come on, like. There's nothing better. There's nothing better. And everybody has their own preferences, that's fine. It's not objective, but it feels pretty close to objective. Like, what, you can get in there?

• 43:29Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 43:29Speaker 03

  In there.

• 43:30Alex Cooper?

  But I think some people really don't wanna look at each other. Cause they're like, I fucking hate you, but just let's fuck. But you're not like that. You're making sweet love.

• 43:39Speaker 03

  Typically. Every once in a while you gotta roll a motherfucker over. But yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:46Alex Cooper?

  What is your favorite sex position?

• 43:48Speaker 03

  We are, we just spent the last 10 minutes on it.

• 43:50Alex Cooper?

  That is it? If I didn't ask you?

• 43:51Speaker 03

  You don't know what they call me? Wow.

• 43:54Alex Cooper?

  What do they call you?

• 43:55Speaker 03

  You know I make music, right?

• 43:58Speaker 03

  MJ, MJ.

• 44:00Alex Cooper?

  No, they don't. You call yourself that.

• 44:02Speaker 03

  Nah, that's, I don't know why. I got that nickname as a young child. My grandma called me that at 2 years old, missionary Jack.

• 44:10Alex Cooper?

  Why?

• 44:11Speaker 03

  I was 2 years old, my grandma, you know that Simba had that shit?

• 44:14Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 44:15Speaker 03

  She wiped some of that shit on my head and she's like, he's gonna love missionary.

• 44:22Alex Cooper?

  What do you think about whips and chains? Obviously, it's in your song. I like no whips and chains, which you can't hold me down.

• 44:33Alex Cooper?

  I'm vanilla, baby. I choke you.

• 44:35Speaker 03

  I love your takes on my voice. She's 28 telling me I'm still the baby. Nah, I don't like whips and chains. I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be tired, I don't know.

• 44:44Alex Cooper?

  Sucking her toes.

• 44:46Speaker 03

  Whose?

• 44:47Alex Cooper?

  The girl you're hooking up with. If she said Jack.

• 44:51Speaker 03

  It would take the right woman. There's someone that could bring it out of me though. I know it.

• 44:55Alex Cooper?

  Maybe it's the person earlier that you said you didn't want to say it.

• 44:58Speaker 03

  Perhaps.

• 44:59Alex Cooper?

  Yep. Sexting.

• 45:03Speaker 03

  Crucial, crucial.

• 45:05Alex Cooper?

  Hot take. Are you the guy that's sending paragraphs?

• 45:09Speaker 03

  Oh, the romance novels?

• 45:10Alex Cooper?

  Are you putting like?

• 45:12Speaker 03

  Then I bend you over and breathe in your ear.

• 45:15Alex Cooper?

  Furthermore, we move forward.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  I do a lot of, I just like to read with my left hand. Just keep going, keep, that too? I like quickfire and that's how I text. I like to send eight words, six words, five words, one after another. So I'll send, I'll send somebody thirteen texts in a row.

• 45:34Alex Cooper?

  I just hate when I read the paragraph, if a man has ever sexted me and it's like first and I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ, here we go. It's like then. Moving forward and you're like, let's just.

• 45:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, that'll make you soft. I can't lie. Once they go like that, you're like, yeah, that's a good effort.

• 45:52Alex Cooper?

  My next question was a finger in the butthole.

• 45:56Speaker 03

  I don't want nothing in my ass, but I don't mind somebody.

• 46:04Speaker 03

  Like, you know, sifting, sifting.

• 46:07Alex Cooper?

  Sifting.

• 46:08Speaker 03

  Credit carding, you know?

• 46:11Speaker 03

  That's very intimate. I like being, I like being a little spoon anyway, so I don't mind somebody scratching my back and then saying.

• 46:25Alex Cooper?

  What about a little lick?

• 46:28Speaker 03

  I can, I can fuck with that. I could be, I can get cleaned out.

• 46:34Speaker 03

  I see why you run this shit. You are funny. You are funny.

• 46:39Alex Cooper?

  You're, I feel like your DMs are gonna be scary after this episode. Daddy gang goes hard.

• 46:44Speaker 03

  Girls, listen to this.

• 46:46Alex Cooper?

  Only a few.

• 46:47Speaker 03

  I'll just tell you.

• 46:48Alex Cooper?

  Well, how do you feel about hand jobs?

• 46:52Speaker 03

  Traumatized, I mean, my first pregnancy almost came from one.

• 46:58Speaker 03

  I remember, I, I used to love me a handjob.

• 47:01Alex Cooper?

  Really?

• 47:02Speaker 03

  And I still, I still, I'm a fan, it has to be moisturized, but.

• 47:06Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 47:07Speaker 03

  I like it, but I just remember, that girlfriend I had, she used to stand in front of me at events when I, and she would just work my shit over my jeans. I swear, I'd look at that motherfucking lady, that bitch was bruised, but at the moment, it was like. Over the jeans.

• 47:21Alex Cooper?

  Over the hands handjob.

• 47:22Speaker 03

  Working my shit, I'm leaving there.

• 47:27Alex Cooper?

  I've never given one of those. Do you suggest?

• 47:32Speaker 03

  It's too late for you.

• 47:35Alex Cooper?

  It's too late for you now?

• 47:37Speaker 03

  You passed that period.

• 47:39Alex Cooper?

  What's your best skill in the bedroom?

• 47:43Speaker 03

  R and D.

• 47:47Speaker 03

  Rhythm and dialogue.

• 47:51Speaker 03

  Rhythm and dialogue.

• 47:54Alex Cooper?

  Rhythm. Underrated.

• 47:58Speaker 03

  Just like me.

• 48:01Speaker 03

  Misunderstood too.

• 48:06Alex Cooper?

  Do you think you're misunderstood?

• 48:09Speaker 03

  I just, I guess I just feel like.

• 48:13Speaker 03

  I, I guess I just feel like I wish I fit in, I don't know.

• 48:17Alex Cooper?

  What are you saying in the bedroom? What are you doing over there? Are you, now after you went through your breathing phase? Cause that's why.

• 48:24Speaker 03

  Cause now I don't breathe.

• 48:25Alex Cooper?

  There is.

• 48:27Speaker 03

  I had, I had work to be done and.

• 48:30Speaker 03

  Met somebody older than me, and so, I think it just turned my, my dialogue up.

• 48:35Alex Cooper?

  They said, let me teach you.

• 48:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it got out of, it just became very like. Express what you feel right now, just express it. You don't need no lines you wrote earlier. Say what you feel right this moment.

• 48:49Speaker 03

  So, to anyone watching out there.

• 48:52Speaker 03

  That's what I recommend. Literally, stream of consciousness is the best thing you could do. Like, what are you feeling against your flesh right now? Describe it, if you can vividly describe it, talk about it, talk about how you feel about it.

• 49:07Speaker 03

  What you want? What you want for them?

• 49:12Alex Cooper?

  Say it, let it be known, literature.

• 49:17Alex Cooper?

  Are you good at detecting if a woman is faking an orgasm?

• 49:23Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 49:25Speaker 03

  No, I'm not.

• 49:27Alex Cooper?

  So sad. So many women have probably faked it.

• 49:35Speaker 03

  You're awesome.

• 49:38Alex Cooper?

  Like, think about all the women.

• 49:40Speaker 03

  I mean, surely, surely. I still wanna go to dinner later, so.

• 49:44Alex Cooper?

  For sure, cuz you're gonna pay and like, you know what it is. They want the Uber ride home.

• 49:53Alex Cooper?

  Let's talk about your new single. It is really good.

• 49:57Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 49:58Alex Cooper?

  It's like.

• 49:58Speaker 03

  It's nice to see you say something so earnest. I know it was hard for you. I know you're switching right back into character here shortly, but that moment meant a lot to me.

• 50:07Alex Cooper?

  It is really good.

• 50:08Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 50:09Alex Cooper?

  It's so catchy. It's it's the Jack Harlow we know and love. And I think it must, can you talk to me though how it must feel like? When you see it's like so popular right now, trending on as we know TikTok is so important right now for like music also. What does it feel like when you wake up and you're like, everyone's making a fucking TikTok about my song?

• 50:31Speaker 03

  Impact is always so validating. And I dropped an album earlier this year called Jackman. That I would say like wasn't even in the TikTok universe. Obviously, there's people on TikTok, cuz so many people on there that took it in, but it wasn't a TikTok moment the way this has been or First Class has been. And that album meant the world to me and it was extremely introspective and personal and I love it. It might be my best work thus far and.

• 51:03Speaker 03

  Then to pivot back into something that is high octane, just fun and like it comes on and it's like, it's not, it's not serious. It's like, let's enjoy ourselves. Feels really good because a lot of what I was making this year is intimate. It's intimate. It's for the headphones. It's personal experience. This song is like, you can feel that you want to play it at a show.

• 51:24Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. Is that annoying though? Like as musicians watch, it's like, it's kind of wild how influential TikTok is right now. Like there are people that their whole career started because they hit one beat in one song and people are like, who the fuck is this? So like, is it annoying? Do you ever have to think of like, what's gonna work and like, what would maybe be better on social media?

• 51:49Speaker 03

  Well, for example, like that album I put out, I didn't make a single TikTok for it because it was like, this ain't that. But this song I knew like, I had such a feeling about it. Like, I just wanna, because I know as soon as it came on, I was playing it for people. And it just felt like something like, the masses need to hear this. So

• 52:09Speaker 03

  of course, you put some thought into like, yeah, I feel like this is gonna, they're gonna fuck with this.

• 52:15Speaker 03

  But I don't know if it's annoying. I mean, it's, it's where fucking culture is and culture continues to move. There was something 10 years ago that was happening to the music industry that was so annoying for people. I mean, the streaming switch. There's a world of people like, oh, this is. And TikTok is a, is a weapon. It's a vehicle. And of course, there's people that are working on it, but longevity is longevity. So we, we're gonna eventually see who translates it to something more, but it's the weapon right now.

• 52:43Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, it's crazy. It's so.

• 52:45Speaker 03

  It's unbelievable.

• 52:46Alex Cooper?

  It's crazy.

• 52:47Speaker 03

  It's unbelievable.

• 52:48Alex Cooper?

  What, um, what is your writing process like?

• 52:52Speaker 03

  I like you in this bag.

• 52:54Alex Cooper?

  You do?

• 52:55Speaker 03

  I know you had this in you.

• 52:56Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. I, I'm a businesswoman. Like I.

• 52:59Speaker 03

  No, I know. I can tell. I'm joking.

• 53:01Alex Cooper?

  We can like joke around.

• 53:02Speaker 03

  I see how much range you got.

• 53:03Alex Cooper?

  Thank you.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  My writing process, typically I walk through life, have conversations, and I'll say something to somebody. Like we're talking here, and a first line will appear to me. And I'll be like, oh, that's a good way to start a song. And I'll just write the first line down. And suddenly I'll have this collection of first lines in my notes. So then I go in the studio and a beat plays. And if I love a beat, I put it on and I start running through the first lines and saying different first lines on the beat. And one of them just will slide right into place. Like it'll just be like, and then my song starts. It's not always what it is, but for me, that is what has happened to me so many times. It's like I come up. And if you notice, a lot of my songs, I put an emphasis on the first line. Like I really care about the first thing you hear.

• 53:47Speaker 03

  Being like, okay, here we go. And like Tyler Hero for me, the ones that hate me the most look just like me. Like that was something I just had been wanting to say, and you're just waiting for a beat to place it.

• 53:59Alex Cooper?

  That's so interesting. And then you take the other ones and hold them until you find another beat for them?

• 54:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Or something. And then you have the occasion, like on Loving on Me. Vanilla Baby was, I heard the beat and he was talking about, I don't like no whips and chains. And I was like, okay, I get the subject matter. And the first thing I thought of was like, I'm Vanilla Baby. And you just mumble something out and you're like, okay, I'm in a groove. Let me lay this down. So sometimes the beat dictates it. You just get a feeling.

• 54:24Alex Cooper?

  That's so crazy. So do you a lot of times go in there and since you're recording, like you'll just say a bunch of random shit that will stick? And then you can listen back and be like, oh, I liked what I said?

• 54:32Speaker 03

  It's like, it gets too messy for me.

• 54:34Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 54:35Speaker 03

  And then you end up loving how you did something and you compromise. You write a weak line just because you want that bounce. So I try, I prefer to have the words written before I go in the booth.

• 54:46Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 54:47Speaker 03

  And a lot of my songs are one take, like first time I laid it down because it was so, it was practiced before I got in there.

• 54:53Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. How long? So it doesn't take you that long to record a song?

• 54:58Speaker 03

  Depends. If it's going, most good songs don't take long because you're not getting in the way of, there's no self doubt flooding it, like it's just flowing and whatever's sending it down to you, you're vomiting it out instead of like, oh, I shouldn't say that, oh, they're not gonna like that, oh, they're gonna like this. That's when you get stuck and you only have three lines and it's been two hours.

• 55:18Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 55:19Speaker 03

  But when it's going, it's just, it's, you can't stop it.

• 55:24Alex Cooper?

  What is it like when you go into the studio? I feel like so many people have like a certain vibe they need, like are you, do you have a lot of people in the studio? Do you have no one? Do you set a vibe? Do you like candles? Do you need certain snacks? Like what's your?

• 55:36Speaker 03

  I used to wanna be alone. I didn't want, I didn't want people in there. I thought, I don't wanna be judged. I wanna be able to be myself. And I actually realized what brings me out is an audience. Someone to impress. Whether that's the producers in the room, maybe I invite a girl through, and you just activate your swag a little bit because you wanna walk out of the booth, and have those two people, those four people be like, yo, you fucking,

• 55:58Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 55:58Speaker 03

  Cause they're a crowd of ten thousand people in that moment.

• 56:00Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 56:01Speaker 03

  So if you have someone to impress, it goes a really long way. I'm always impressed by people that can like, I can write really intimate introspective stuff alone, cause I'm alone.

• 56:10Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 56:10Speaker 03

  But to make bangers, like where I'm popping shit and it's compelling and has conviction, I need an audience.

• 56:16Alex Cooper?

  That's, I, I could see that. Like you almost start to flex a little bit more and like you'll go for stuff more.

• 56:23Speaker 03

  You posture and you're like, you, you're trying to, you know, you're trying to impress the person in the room and oftentimes they made the beat. And so it's this exchange. They play you the beat and they're like, you gotta fuck this up. And you're like, I'm about to fuck this up for you. You go in there and you lay something, you come out, y'all both listen to it and you stop, and it's like, it's euphoric.

• 56:40Speaker 03

  All you want in that, cause there's no one else there. All you want in that moment is the people you're with to be like, you killed that.

• 56:46Alex Cooper?

  Right, that's fire.

• 56:46Speaker 03

  You might write based on who's there, cause you know they'll like if I do this.

• 56:51Alex Cooper?

  I'm so happy for you. I feel like why I love doing this is because like as much as we joke like getting to know you being younger, running through the streets, like giving your mixtapes out, handing people CDs like it's cool to see someone that always knew what they wanted to do and then doing it even if you don't have like the biggest stage and like still running with it and then to get to where you are now and seeing your success like

• 57:15Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 57:16Alex Cooper?

  Congratulations. It's really cool.

• 57:17Speaker 03

  You strike me as somebody that's very driven and knows what they want to, so I appreciate that.

• 57:21Alex Cooper?

  Thank you. Thank you. Um, what should fans expect to see from you next?

• 57:29Speaker 03

  I'm active. I'm, I'm, I'm feeling good. I can't lie. I'm ready to keep coming. I ain't, I ain't going on hiatus. I'll say that. Yeah.

• 57:39Alex Cooper?

  Uh huh. More coming.

• 57:41Speaker 03

  Oh yeah.

• 57:41Alex Cooper?

  I think we want that. I know we want that.

• 57:44Speaker 03

  I'm hungry. I'm very, I'm very hungry.

• 57:46Alex Cooper?

  I can tell.

• 57:47Speaker 03

  I have a chip on my shoulder.

• 57:49Alex Cooper?

  And you should keep it that way.

• 57:50Speaker 03

  I will. For as long as I can, it's gonna be sitting there.

• 57:53Alex Cooper?

  I'm really excited to see what comes next for your career. This new song is amazing. Obviously, we all want another album, tours, all the good things, but for now, we will take the song and I love it.

• 58:05Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 58:05Alex Cooper?

  I really do.

• 58:06Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 58:07Alex Cooper?

  It's such a vibe. I've been listening to it like an annoying amount.

• 58:10Speaker 03

  That's wonderful.

• 58:10Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 58:11Speaker 03

  That's what I need.

• 58:12Alex Cooper?

  Jack, thank you so much.

• 58:13Speaker 03

  It's been a pleasure. I'm not just saying that. It's been fun. Thank you. Thank you for taking it easy on me, Lucky.

• 58:21Alex Cooper?

  You didn't really give me a choice, but I didn't want to like disrespect you and like push you too much.

• 58:25Speaker 03

  That's nice of you. Thank you.

• 58:27Alex Cooper?

  Thank you for coming on Call Her Daddy.

• 58:28Speaker 03

  Thanks for having me.

• 58:30Alex Cooper?

  We did it!

• 58:30Speaker 03

  We did it.

• 58:31Alex Cooper?

  That wasn't that bad, right?

• 58:33Speaker 03

  It was wonderful.

• 58:34Alex Cooper?

  That was fun!

• 58:34Speaker 03

  That's a hit.

• 58:35Alex Cooper?

  That's a hit.

• 58:52Alex Cooper?

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