Huda: Love Island Tell All

You’re welcome x2 This episode includes discussion about domestic violence, suicidal ideation, and eating disorders. Please keep this in mind when deciding if, how, and when you’ll listen.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Alex Cooper?

  Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Ross. Fall is about finding pieces you love, making them your own and creating looks and spaces just right for the season. Whether you're updating a small apartment or a spacious home, drawn to timeless neutrals or bold seasonal touches, Ross makes it easy to imagine what's next and bring your fall vision to life. Ross makes fashion accessible to all with up to 20 to 60% off other retailers' prices on the brands you love. Find your nearest Ross at rossstores.com. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Stouffer's. Let me tell you something. When I am hungry and I am trying to figure out what to eat, sometimes you can just actually become so, you're angry. You're like, I am busy,

• 0:46Alex Cooper?

  I'm hungry, I'm getting hangry, I'm getting angry. What can I eat? I need something hot and delicious and low maintenance. Well, introducing Stouffer's dinners are not only delicious, they're done in a flash. Serve up their classic lasagna, chicken pesto, or carbonara for two. Whatever you're craving, Stouffer's is your hot, delicious, easy meal fantasy. When the clock strikes dinner, think Stouffer's. You can see all the delicious options at stouffer's.com.

• 1:12Speaker 01

  Nowadays, you have certain expectations when you fly, like people napping on the airport floor or flying in your pajamas. You know what you don't expect? Free drinks. But now, T-Mobile members get a free premium drink when they fly Delta Airlines. So just sit back, relax, and switch to T-Mobile today. Visit tmobile.com/membership for details. It's better over here.

• 1:36Speaker 02

  Get a free premium Delta drink with eligible plan and link SkyMiles account 24 hours before qualifying. Flight required. Must be 21 or older. See T life for terms.

• 1:43Alex Cooper?

  Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Ashley. Okay, so whenever I am picking new furniture for my house or redesigning a room, it is so important to me to make sure that it also is cohesive with the rest of my house and the vibe that I'm feeling. And I think filling your home with beautiful durable pieces from Ashley will help you create a backdrop for growing family's biggest memories, right? You want your home to feel cozy and you want it to feel like you. And thanks to features like stain resistant performance fabric, even the messiest memories will be easy to clean. So, visit your local store or head to ashley.com to find your style.

• 2:27Alex Cooper?

  What is up daddy gang? It is your founding father Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy.

• 2:36Alex Cooper?

  Huda, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 2:38Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 2:39Alex Cooper?

  How are you feeling?

• 2:42Speaker 03

  I'm feeling like really excited. I'm overwhelmed as fuck. Overwhelmed in like a good way and like in multiple ways. Like I'm not even like sitting here and I'm like, I'm overwhelmed, like I can't do it. It's like an overwhelming, like it's just, I'm taking everything in all at once. I think anyone would.

• 2:58Alex Cooper?

  Can you explain a little bit? Like what have the past 48 hours since leaving the villa been like for you?

• 3:07Speaker 03

  I think really like right now, I'm just trying to make sure that everything like is good with the people that I'm really close with. And that I hold dear to my heart because I'm like my daughter, like my family, like those are the people that I've checked on this entire time. Like I haven't texted anybody back at all.

• 3:21Alex Cooper?

  How many texts do you have?

• 3:23Speaker 03

  So many, so many.

• 3:24Alex Cooper?

  Girls, so many. Hundreds.

• 3:26Speaker 03

  I, I haven't, and like the only other person I've called is my best friend.

• 3:30Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  That's it.

• 3:32Alex Cooper?

  Throughout the season, you were one of, if not without a doubt, the most polarizing person on the show. People either absolutely adore, love you, or there are people that like, it actually feels like hate you and like do not fuck with you at all.

• 3:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:53Alex Cooper?

  Why do you think that this is the case?

• 3:55Speaker 03

  I think that honestly, I think perception's everything. And I feel like not all the time, things are shown in the way that they are like perceived on TV. And I mean, I know who I am as a person. I think that's what really matters. I feel like if people are hating on me, okay, fuck you. Like, like I don't give a fuck. Like, why does it matter? As long as the people that I love are close to me and like that care about me and they, you know, see me for who I actually am, like that's truly what matters to me. And I'm very, very, very blessed to have so many people that do love me and support me. Cause I feel like the good outweighs the bad in all honesty and yeah, I just, I try to pay the hate like no mind. To be honest, like you don't know me. You don't know me at all.

• 4:36Alex Cooper?

  I was gonna ask you, like now that you have had your phone back and have gotten maybe like a brief second in between like no sleep. I was gonna say no sleep club, another club.

• 4:47Speaker 03

  Girl, I haven't, I'm not, I'm not outside. I'm not.

• 4:51Alex Cooper?

  You're sitting.

• 4:52Speaker 03

  Girl, I'm sat. I'm sat.

• 4:54Alex Cooper?

  You're like this with your sunglasses, the meme of.

• 4:56Speaker 03

  No doubt, just sitting.

• 4:58Alex Cooper?

  No, you're not moving. You're not moving. But I was gonna ask, like now that you've gotten to maybe see a couple of like your mentions, like what comments have been like negatively the most shocking to you?

• 5:11Speaker 03

  Oh fuck, I really don't pay that shit no mind. Um. One, the craziest thing I've heard is that people called CPS on me. I was like, are you so serious right now? First of all, my daughter's dad was fully aware of what I was doing. He was fully okay with it. He signed consent. Like we're, like we had that conversation. We're fine. Me going on a show does not mean me a bad person. You know how many mothers are, you know, doing tours around the world who are doing all these things and they can't see their kids. It's like it doesn't make you a bad mom to do something for yourself in that way at all.

• 5:44Alex Cooper?

  Yep, thank you.

• 5:46Speaker 03

  And I'm just like,

• 5:49Speaker 03

  I don't understand it cause it's just like you guys just have nothing better to do at this point and you know, I know that I'm a good mom. I'm with my daughter 24/7. Me and her dad are, me and her dad are, me and her dad, we split custody. So like I have her Monday, Sunday through Fridays and then he has her the days that I don't have her. And so I have her majority of the time. I'm with her 24/7. Like I do the pickups and drops outside of school. I pack her lunches. You know, I'm there to give her a pep talk of the kids being mean to her in class. Like I'm there for her through the door. She tells me about the boys she likes. Like we do the hee hee hah hahing. Like we get, we put perfume on in the mornings together. We brush our teeth in the same sink, even though I have a double sink. She presses it in my sink with me every morning.

• 6:31Speaker 03

  I do her hair every morning. We do outfits together in the morning, like all that stuff. Anytime I put a dress on, she's like. You look so beautiful mommy. Like she, she's my hype woman. Someone says something mean to me, she's like, don't talk to my mom like that. Mind you, she's forward.

• 6:45Alex Cooper?

  Dude, I mean, I have questions like later on that I want to talk to you about because that was like a point people were talking about is like you and your family and all of it. But like I can imagine coming out of the villa and just as a human being, but most importantly, as a mother, understandably, immediately your gut reaction is to address that because like that's your blood, that's your daughter.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, anything.

• 7:06Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 7:06Speaker 03

  My, the only thing I was worried about as soon as I walked out of that villa was my daughter.

• 7:09Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 7:09Speaker 03

  That is the main thing I wanted to address. I could care less about hatred from people. I care more about her safety and if she's okay.

• 7:33Alex Cooper?

  Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Airbnb. Every year, my family takes a big trip together around the holidays and right now we're in the middle of planning it. So naturally, our family group chat has become everyone sending different homes that they found on Airbnb. And they're like, what about this one? What about this one? Because my family has a lot of opinions about what we need. Obviously, the house has to be big enough to fit all of us, especially now with the baby. My mom wants a huge kitchen because she is already planning out Christmas dinner. My sister wants to be close enough to town so she can walk around and she can explore all the different shops. And personally, I always love to have a really good hot tub.

• 8:18Alex Cooper?

  I feel like once November hits, everyone's either just like booking holiday travel or trying to coordinate where they're going to end up. And even though it's so fun, it can kind of be a lot. And that is why Airbnb has become my family's favorite way to travel. Everyone has different needs around the holidays, but Airbnb makes it easy to book a spot that kind of just checks all of your boxes. Having one place where everyone can hang and cook and slow down, it just makes the trip that much more special. So before the holiday rush really kicks in. Find a place where everyone can actually gather, relax and make memories together with Airbnb. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Ross.

• 8:56Alex Cooper?

  Fall is about finding pieces you love, making them your own and creating looks and spaces just right for the season. Whether you're updating a small apartment or a spacious home, drawn to timeless neutrals or bold seasonal touches. Ross makes it easy to imagine what's next and bring your fall vision to life. Ross makes fashion accessible to all with up to 20 to 60% off other retailers prices on the brands you love. Find your nearest Ross at rossstores.com. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Shopify. I feel like it's that time of the year where everyone starts to slow down a little bit. We're reflecting on this past year, maybe even, you know, we're writing down a few goals for next year.

• 9:41Alex Cooper?

  And if you're starting a business and that is something that's on your list, thankfully the internet has made it easier than ever to do. No matter what stage you're at, Shopify is the best place to start and grow a business. Personally, I have loved how their shop pay feature streamlines the entire checkout process with the holidays coming up. My online shopping addiction is obviously it's at its peak right now. And so I always get excited when I see that little purple shop pay button at checkout. It makes buying something so fast and easy instead of digging through and finding my credit card and typing everything in. And you can just check out in one click. Yes, I want those sweatpants. Yes, another pair of sweatpants.

• 10:23Alex Cooper?

  And for businesses, that also means fewer carts abandoned and more sales. I also love that Shopify lets me run my entire business straight from my phone. So I can upload new merch, check on orders and see what you guys are loving from literally anywhere. It does save me so much time and it lets me actually enjoy the season while growing the business. So are you ready to add entrepreneur to your list of accomplishments? Head to Shopify.com/daddy. That's Shopify.com/daddy. Okay. There has been so much conversation about your character, how you treated other islanders, whether or not your behavior was toxic.

• 11:07Alex Cooper?

  And we are going to get into all of it tonight. But I think in order to have like an actual productive conversation, I want to get to know you a little bit better before we get to your Love Island days. So let's go back. I want to talk to you about your childhood.

• 11:28Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 11:28Alex Cooper?

  What was it like in your house growing up?

• 11:32Speaker 03

  So growing up, so my parents, they immigrated to America and got their citizenship. And my dad, he had his own business and my mother, she was a teacher. And, you know, we didn't, we didn't, we weren't like fortunate as kids. Like we, my mother and father had five kids. So it's like, and they immigrated here, no family, nothing. So I wasn't raised with money. I wasn't raised with that. We played with sticks outside. We didn't have phones, so we were just like 16, 17. Like, you know, I'm not, I'm not a, what is it? Privileged child. I was never that. And growing up, my, my dad was extremely abusive.

• 12:15Speaker 03

  He was very abusive, like towards my mother, towards me and my siblings. Like a vivid memory I have as a kid is like, I don't, like, I don't even know how old I was, but I remember hearing my dad like beating the shit out of my mom in the room. And I remember like finally, like, I think someone got the door open. And I just remember seeing my mom's face, like her glasses were broken. And then I just see him snatch her head back and slam the door. Like that's, I'm going to cry. Like that's, that's literally like my, that was my childhood.

• 12:44Speaker 03

  Can I have a tissue?

• 12:45Alex Cooper?

  There's tissue. I got you.

• 12:47Speaker 03

  Damn, we just started, Alex.

• 12:51Speaker 03

  Um, hold on, I was thinking.

• 12:54Alex Cooper?

  You're good.

• 12:56Speaker 03

  I'm definitely about to start my period. Like, there's no fucking way I'm not.

• 12:59Alex Cooper?

  I'm on mine, so we'll just fucking cry together.

• 13:02Speaker 03

  Alex, you're making me think with you. Should I stuff this one?

• 13:05Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, just put it there.

• 13:06Speaker 03

  Okay, so, woo, um, but yeah, so I grew up in an extremely abusive household. Not, needless to say, like, I did have a fun childhood, though. I think me and my siblings were extremely close in the midst of the chaos. Like, we were very, very close. My sister, she would get us away from all that. She would, like, take us on little, we called the dinosaur trail. And it was like this dirt road because they were doing construction. Sometimes you would see, like, deer tracks and whatnot. And like, sometimes she would do things to make it look cooler, to make us think there were dinosaurs and stuff. Like, that's like the things we'd have fun with. We'd go in the creek and we'd play in the creek. We, we would do all these things as kids.

• 13:40Alex Cooper?

  Wait, and of the five kids, where were you in the lineup?

• 13:43Speaker 03

  I'm the youngest.

• 13:44Alex Cooper?

  I, even in like, writing this interview, like, I had no fucking idea

• 13:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:49Alex Cooper?

  about anything about you because there's not anything really on the internet about your life.

• 13:53Speaker 03

  They didn't put it on the show either?

• 13:55Alex Cooper?

  No, that, you didn't talk about any of this on the show.

• 13:58Speaker 03

  Oh, that's crazy.

• 14:00Alex Cooper?

  When you're talking about your dynamic with your parents and specifically your father being abusive, being the youngest, because I can imagine you're talking about your sister kind of like, being the one that's getting you guys out of the house, but how do you think being the youngest in an abusive household impacted your personal development?

• 14:19Speaker 03

  I think I was a lot more persuasive, being a lot younger. So I was a lot more persuasive in terms of like, giving me sweets and like buying me things and, you know, doing things towards me and hurting me and then saying, oh, here's this. Or like doing things and, you know, saying, you know, I'll go take you here if, you know, if, you know, whatever. And that happened to me a lot as a child as well, like, and then at one point, you know, one of my parents separated. I was in like the fourth grade, I believe. And my mom, I remember when my dad was at work, we packed up everything. And we left. And my mom, she got it, we lived in like this two-bed, one-bath apartment. That was like, I think it's like $600 rent, I'm pretty sure. Um, no washer and dryer. We would go to the laundromat, like...

• 15:06Speaker 03

  My, me and all my sisters were in a room, my brother was in his own room, my mom slept on the couch. It wasn't even a couch, it was a, when you know those outdoor like futon things?

• 15:13Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 15:13Speaker 03

  Outdoor like futon things? And they have like the, the wooden railing things on them and then it's like, it's like just a cushion? That's what my mom would sleep on every single night. Cause she didn't want to take a bedroom.

• 15:25Alex Cooper?

  What was the breaking point for her to get you guys out?

• 15:29Speaker 03

  I, I'm not a hundred percent sure exactly what her breaking point was. Um, I think maybe it possibly could be her support system on the people on the outside that saw this happening.

• 15:40Alex Cooper?

  Do you have a relationship with your father? Do you speak to him?

• 15:45Speaker 03

  I haven't talked to my dad in eight years. Um, yeah, I started talking to him when I was sixteen. Um, there's a really valid reason as to why I'm not speaking to him. Um, my dad was, there was a lot of times where I was alone with my dad. And there's things that like my family doesn't believe me about. Um.

• 16:07Speaker 03

  Tissue.

• 16:10Speaker 03

  So damn girl, you got me crying on this show. Uh, I know that friggin period is coming and it's on its way to us very soon.

• 16:20Alex Cooper?

  Period or not, Huda, like this is some...

• 16:23Speaker 03

  Girl, trust me, I, when I was with the psychologist, I like talked to her about all these things and I was just crying. Cause it's like you really, when you talk about it. Um.

• 16:34Speaker 03

  Ooh, hold on.

• 16:35Alex Cooper?

  Take your time.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  So, anyway. There's a lot of things that happened, I don't want to go like too much into detail. Um, but I kept a lot of things to myself and then there was a point where I got really scared.

• 16:56Speaker 03

  And I remember calling my mom and just telling like, please pick me up, like, please pick me up. And she was like, what's wrong? Like, I can't, I have to get you tomorrow. Like, she was, she was working like three, four jobs. This woman would not sleep. She would sleep like three, four hours. And we would never really see her as much because she was working all the time. We would eat frozen food and Wendy's. And um, she's like, I can't, I can't. I was like, I was crying. I was like, please pick me up. I would lock myself in the bathroom. Uh, my dad went in his office and was like working and I like tiptoed out when she was there. And I like grabbed my things and I like tiptoed past his office because the door, the floor would creak sometimes. So I was so scared. And so I tiptoed out and I like closed the door really quietly and I just told her, I was like, please go, please go, please go.

• 17:41Speaker 03

  Like, I was like, please get out, like, get me out of here. And to this day, like, I don't think anyone in my family believes anything that I say about that.

• 17:47Alex Cooper?

  Why?

• 17:52Speaker 03

  I have no idea. Um, maybe it's hard to believe.

• 17:55Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 17:57Speaker 03

  But I, I just accepted that I know what was going on.

• 18:04Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 18:05Speaker 03

  And, you know, I had listened to like podcasts about certain things leading up to a lot with my dad. And it made me realize like, I don't want to say grooming, but like, there's a lot of things that were happening. You know, I don't know, my dad hasn't remarried or nothing. Like, it's, I have no idea the reasonings behind it. So I never really had a father figure growing up in that way. Um, at all.

• 18:32Alex Cooper?

  What was school like for you during, during all of this?

• 18:37Speaker 03

  Um, I've always, I always got bullied in school. Um. I think I always was just like unapologetically myself and that didn't resonate with a lot of people.

• 18:51Alex Cooper?

  Seems like a theme in your life that we're gonna get to.

• 18:53Speaker 03

  Trust me, there was a lot of things that triggered me in that villa. I will be completely honest with you. And things that I caught and was clocking and was told that I was being crazy. Um, but I don't know if anything was done on purpose to make me act out in a way. Um, but yeah, what was I saying? Oh, I got bullied in school. Um, when I was in middle school, there was a point where like I wanted to take my own life. I did not want to live anymore. Um, girls, I remember I was friends with these girls and then like, I was, I think it was like two of them I was friends with, two or three of them. And one of them was a new girl and mind you, I was friends with the other girls. We were all fine. And then the new girl comes and she's like,

• 19:34Speaker 03

  does modeling and she does all of these things and like, you know, I'm just this girl who loves to sing and, um, she, and I, she knew I, I, I was like my dream. I used to watch America's Next Top Model growing up. Like I wanted to model so bad. Growing up and you know, I realized I was too short. Like I was like, this is not gonna happen for me, but I was always a dream of mine and like she knew that. And she would kind of rub it in my face and I'd be like, oh, you're not even pretty enough to do that. You're not skinny enough. You're not this. I stopped eating for days at a time. Like I remember my math teacher, she would literally be like, how do you need to eat? Like you need to eat something. Like I would never eat anything. I was bulimic. Like I would literally chew food and then spit it into a trash can just to taste it. Because I thought I wasn't skinny enough.

• 20:16Alex Cooper?

  And did any of your, anyone in your life, like, like your mom or your older sister, did anyone know you were going through this?

• 20:23Speaker 03

  I didn't say anything and like these girls would push me into lockers, throw food on me. Um, specifically that one girl, she would do that and other girls would just hee hee ha ha. Um, kids would harass me in school. They would, uh, I remember it's one kid who was on the football team and he would grab my ass. He would like pin me against the wall in middle school. Um, people would make racial comments about me, um, call me a terrorist. This, this stuff happened to me my childhood. And, um, leading into like high school, like I had always felt like I got left out of things. Throughout school, like in high school, um, I remember people tried to start bullying me again. I think at that point,

• 21:03Speaker 03

  you know, before that I had begged God. I was like, please, please, please, like, please, please get rid of these girls for me. Please, like make this easier for me. Like give me a fresh start, please. To both the girls, they moved away. And I had a chance at a fresh start and you know everyone in school like kinda knew what people were doing I mean at least as far as I knew And I remember someone tried to make a terrorist comment towards me in in high school and I shut that shit down immediately I was like I'm gonna turn a new leaf and just nip it in the bud And I did I nipped it in the bud and no one said anything about it again and I remember I was friends with these group of girls in school and I had always felt left out and things cuz my mom was really strict on me

• 21:44Speaker 03

  Like she wouldn't let me go to sleepovers she wouldn't let me go out like she didn't want me to go to like the thing we had this thing called like T dance like she didn't want me to do any of those things Um I had to beg her to go to prom and like When I felt left out in things with those friend groups cuz they would be like oh she can't even go anyway but it's like just ask me if I can like

• 22:03Alex Cooper?

  Like just give me like a bone to feel like yeah

• 22:06Speaker 03

  Um I didn't have a phone either and then I finally got a phone like they kinda like they made me get Instagram they're like You need me to get Instagram you need me to Instagram like okay so I started doing Instagram stuff and like I started uh gaining followers for like my singing videos and things like that it was like it was a fun moment for me but in turn People in school were like she's so full of herself she's so cocky like who does she think she is and You know with that friend group that always left me out there was I think there was one point where I was sitting with them at the lunch table when I was just like The girls were laughing about something and I really didn't find it funny um I have a unique sense of humor I feel like like and sometimes people don't understand it but like there's something that I really don't find funny and

• 22:46Speaker 03

  You know I'm sitting there and these girls are like hee hee haw and like laughing and I'm just sitting there just like with a straight face just kinda like wondering like how that is even funny And they looked at me and they're just like Hutter like why are you not laughing like what is it and I was like honestly

• 23:00Speaker 03

  I don't think any of you guys are really funny and I really don't wanna be friends with you guys and I got up and I just walked away and since then I would go into this uh dressing room thing that had little mirrors around it I would practice dance I used to be a dance captain I practiced hip hop in there um Was I the number one person in the world no but I was still learning and um I would sing in there I did I like I would practice like my a cappella stuff in there I would practice Uh I was a theater kid I did a lot of musical theater like I practiced all these things in there by myself free period I'm going to that room and I'm practicing that's all I would do

• 23:32Alex Cooper?

  Just even like hearing you explain I feel like at such a young age you were getting it from every fucking angle and there was Nowhere to go but rely on yourself like you talking about Being in your household, looking at your mom, being physically abused, then it turning to you, being alone with your father in this moment where you're like scared for your life and you're trying to flee a situation that should be the only, the one place you do feel safe. Then you go to school where maybe it's like, let's get some reprieve. Maybe the kids at school can make me forget about my home life. And then you're getting it from your school life and your peers. And it's like, I can't help but think like, what that young version of you, how do you not put up this hard wall?

• 24:15Alex Cooper?

  How do you not become this person that, like you just said, the minute they made a joke about you and they came at you and they tried to make a racial comment to make you feel less than, one day you decide to be like, no, fuck that. But how many days prior were you crying in the bathroom, sitting alone, crying about it? Like, it's so sad to think about you developmentally, how you had to turn from this like soft loving girl to then like you needed to create this hard exterior, literally just to survive. Like, what do you wish you could go back and tell yourself? Like, sitting here right now with all this success in like the darkest moments of your life, where you mentioned like, it got to the point where you literally didn't want to be here anymore.

• 24:55Speaker 03

  Fuck him.

• 24:57Speaker 03

  Fuck him. Like, who gives a fuck? Be yourself, do what you want to do in life. And this is what I tell my daughter all the time, like, I'm like, do what you want to do. Stop caring about what other people think. Cause there's times where kids will be mean to her and like, and I'm just like, honey, like you're so smart and you're beautiful. And you know, you're fun, you're funny. Anyone would hate on somebody like that.

• 25:22Alex Cooper?

  We all know that you are a mommy, mamacita.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  Mama?

• 25:27Alex Cooper?

  Mama?

• 25:28Speaker 03

  Mama? I have a human child.

• 25:30Alex Cooper?

  You saw that, were you like?

• 25:31Speaker 03

  I died.

• 25:33Alex Cooper?

  How is this the most viral thing?

• 25:34Speaker 03

  I died. I was like, this is the most viral thing I said is that I'm a mommy. Like in that, in, you know, it's funny, me and Nick like barely remember that conversation. I just remember going into it. I remember I was like, me and Nick were, were very like goofy people. And. We don't take shit seriously in conversations when we talk. And you know, like, there's times where we try to be serious, but always ends up on a funny note. And in that conversation, I remember I wanted to bring it up to him, but because of the, of our nature and like the way we are. I was like, I can't sit here and be serious towards him.

• 26:03Alex Cooper?

  Right, like Nick. I have a big thing to tell you.

• 26:06Speaker 03

  I'm so sorry, but like, this is so serious and.

• 26:10Alex Cooper?

  You're gonna fuck around.

• 26:11Speaker 03

  I am a mother and I, I really want you to understand. Like, I, I didn't want to do that and be like, guess what?

• 26:17Speaker 03

  Like, because that's how we are. Me and him were goofy as shit.

• 26:20Alex Cooper?

  But the point I was bringing that up for is, you are a mother, you have a daughter, a gorgeous daughter.

• 26:26Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 26:26Alex Cooper?

  Um, how did you meet her dad?

• 26:29Speaker 03

  Um, Tinder.

• 26:31Alex Cooper?

  Stop. Oh my God, you need to do like your first brand deals with Tinder.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  Listen, it may not always work out, but you might have a fun time. Um, like, literally. So, we.

• 26:42Alex Cooper?

  Dead, dead.

• 26:44Speaker 03

  So we, uh, we met on there. I remember I was like 18.

• 26:47Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 26:47Speaker 03

  And I think this is the first time I ever moved out of my mother's house. Because I was just sick of being controlled at that time. You know, everyone's rebellious. You're getting controlled your whole life. You're told you can't go on sleepovers. You're told you can't do X, Y, Z, 1, 2, 3. It's like, finally, I'm 18, I'm legally, I have freedom, I can do whatever I want to do. And I moved out. Um, I was living with these two other girls and I decided, I was like, okay, I'm gonna talk to whoever I want to talk to. I'm gonna go out, I'm gonna do this. I had my fun when I was 18. And I think that's why I'm like, not really big on like, going out now. Like.

• 27:21Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I did it.

• 27:22Speaker 03

  I did the thing.

• 27:23Alex Cooper?

  That was enough.

• 27:23Speaker 03

  You know the thing?

• 27:24Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, you did that. Okay, wait, how would you describe your early stages of that relationship with him?

• 27:30Speaker 03

  Um, we were very lovey, we got very lovey very fast. Very lovey dovey, like, I really liked him, a lot. And for me, I always tell him, I'm like, you can always tell when I really like somebody and when I really don't.

• 27:46Speaker 03

  You can always tell. It's like zero to 100. Like you can 100. I can't lie.

• 27:51Speaker 03

  I cannot lie.

• 27:52Alex Cooper?

  I know. You told us you're sitting there with the girls and you're like, "You're not funny."

• 27:55Speaker 03

  No.

• 27:56Alex Cooper?

  What are we?

• 27:57Speaker 03

  I can't sit here and act like I like you when I don't. I can't be fake. Like if I sit here, I'm just like, "Oh my god, like I love you."

• 28:04Alex Cooper?

  You're like, "Fuck off."

• 28:05Speaker 03

  I'm like, "Can you just leave me the fuck alone, please? Like, get away from me."

• 28:09Alex Cooper?

  So you really, really liked him?

• 28:11Speaker 03

  I did. I really, really liked him off the jump. Like, we were very, very close, very fast, but in that, um, he did cheat on me, you know? And that doesn't make him a bad person. He just made bad decisions.

• 28:22Alex Cooper?

  Okay, wait. Before you got pregnant, did you guys have conversations about like what you wanted your future to look like together?

• 28:30Speaker 03

  Um, we obviously wanted to move in together. The goal was marriage. Like, that was always a thing. Like, we were very locked in with each other at that time. Um, we would always, I mean, a lot of the videos got out. Like, we made so many cute videos together. We'd go to the beach a million times together.

• 28:45Alex Cooper?

  Can you take me to the moment when you found out that you were pregnant?

• 28:47Speaker 03

  Bitch. Girl. I remember, this was after he cheated on me when I was in Puerto Rico. I was in Puerto Rico with my sister for the first time ever. First time ever on vacation with her, you know? First major vacation. I was really excited. It was a good time, until it wasn't. And then, I remember, you know, I had his location, and at this time, hell yeah, when someone's cheating on you multiple times, you're gonna get a little toxic and go a little crazy. And I'm checking that man's location like nobody's business on this vacation. Cause he cheated on me so many times. But I was naive. I was naive at that time. I took him back a million fucking times.

• 29:24Alex Cooper?

  Okay, I do want to emphasize, you were 18 at 18.

• 29:27Speaker 03

  Exactly. This is like, what? Like, six years ago?

• 29:29Alex Cooper?

  I know, I know. But now we like, we do gotta get better. But I agree.

• 29:32Speaker 03

  I don't do that anymore.

• 29:33Alex Cooper?

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 29:33Speaker 03

  I don't even care. Like, no, no, now, girl, guys have given me the location. I forget that I have it.

• 29:38Alex Cooper?

  Okay, perfect. You're too tired.

• 29:39Speaker 03

  I'm tired, grandpa. Like, I don't want to do that shit, man.

• 29:42Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so you're 18, you're getting toxic because he's cheated a couple times, and you're like, "I'm on to you, motherfucker." I'm in Puerto Rico, what happens?

• 29:50Speaker 03

  Girl. So I'm looking, I'm looking through, you know, seeing where this man is going, right? And I remember there was one night particularly, he was not answering the phone. And I was just like, okay.

• 30:01Speaker 03

  This man is up to something. I was like, he has to be cheating on me. Cause that was the only logical answer. And to my surprise, he was cheating on me. So I was like, okay, cool. Um, great. So I remember I was just going off on him because he was not answering his phone. He was at this random house and we had to talk because he wouldn't let me go to clubs or anything. And I wasn't like allowed to go to parties. Uh, I had lost a lot of my friends at the time. Cause like he, every time I would hang out with them, he would like blow up my phone. And you know, mind you, I feel like I blew up his phone too. Like it's not like it was just him. You know what I'm saying? Like it's, I'm not, I was doing shit too.

• 30:37Alex Cooper?

  There was a cycle that was being created.

• 30:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was a very toxic relationship. And, um, basically he was at this house. I'm calling, he's not answering. Then I see his car leaving early in the morning, like just leaving that house. He's calling, he's like, I just got a ticket. Like I'm, I'm late to work. I just got a ticket. I just got a ticket. I'm just like, hmm. Where were you? I was home. I was home. This is when he was in the barracks in the military.

• 31:01Speaker 03

  And so you told me he was in the barracks. Brother, did you forget I had your location?

• 31:05Alex Cooper?

  Like, I've been tracking your ass, like my Uber and Twitter.

• 31:08Speaker 03

  Literally, I'm like, bestie girl, I'm on like a hawk. Like I'm looking at your ass going.

• 31:13Alex Cooper?

  You're like zooming.

• 31:14Speaker 03

  You're going 71 miles per hour. It's back down to 60. Like I'm looking at the whole shebang.

• 31:20Alex Cooper?

  Like, I know what route you took.

• 31:21Speaker 03

  Literally, I know the way you go home from work. Like I saw the whole thing. But no, no, I'm just kidding. But like I, I was just like, alright. Um, you definitely weren't home. I'm not crazy. I'm texting his friend. His friend, I guess, told me, he said that he was, he slept at his place, like his friend's place in like the barracks room.

• 31:41Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 31:42Speaker 03

  And then I asked him where he slept last night. He said that he slept in his own room. So the math wasn't mathin'.

• 31:47Alex Cooper?

  You're like, one of you is fucking lying, you idiot.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  In the middle of this conversation, I get a DM. Hey girly. I was like, be so for real. My intuition never lies. I'm like, oh my God. I, I looked at that shit. I was like, wow. I got pictures of them in bed together.

• 32:01Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  Yeah. I was like, damn, that's crazy.

• 32:04Alex Cooper?

  Not the hey girly.

• 32:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I was just like, okay, cool. Yeah. Then, um, that whole thing happened. Then he was like,

• 32:14Speaker 03

  So a lot of things that convinced me to take him back, which I did. And I was naive.

• 32:19Alex Cooper?

  I get it, I get it. Anyone that's judging didn't have their, one of those first true, like so madly in love, toxic relationship.

• 32:26Speaker 03

  Everyone has one.

• 32:27Alex Cooper?

  I had one and it was horrible, but and it fucks you up.

• 32:32Alex Cooper?

  But it's intoxicating because when you're in love for the first time, you don't really understand anything else.

• 32:37Speaker 03

  I never had that, a good example growing up. Like I never had anyone to guide me in that way at all. I thought, when I got, when I became 18, and I, mind you, I didn't have my first kiss until after high school. I didn't have sex until after high school. Like, I thought, I thought, I thought it was like, like a fairy tale. I thought it was like Disney. Swear to God, I'm watching all these things, I'm watching all these Disney movies and I'm just like, oh my God, like it's gonna be like that and he's gonna like, he's gonna look at me in my costume and be like, hey, like I'm, I'm thinking it's like gonna be some cute lovey shit. Bitch, when I, girl, when I lost my virginity and that man was sleeping with one of the girls who bullied me in school,

• 33:20Speaker 03

  I was like, be so for real. This shit is not what I thought it was.

• 33:24Alex Cooper?

  You're like, this is a horror movie.

• 33:25Speaker 03

  I'm dead ass. Dead ass.

• 33:27Alex Cooper?

  Why is this shit?

• 33:28Speaker 03

  Literally.

• 33:29Alex Cooper?

  Dude, you had a rude awakening coming.

• 33:31Speaker 03

  Literally, I know I haven't gone on the pregnant topic yet, but.

• 33:33Alex Cooper?

  Okay, yeah, we're getting there, we're getting there.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Sorry, I, I have ADHD.

• 33:36Alex Cooper?

  I won't let you forget.

• 33:37Speaker 03

  Thanks, queen.

• 33:37Alex Cooper?

  How the fuck did you find out you're pregnant?

• 33:38Speaker 03

  Okay, so after that happened, I remember we were, we were all hanging out, like I'm in a little party, whatever. I remember I was going up the, the, I was going up the stairs and I remember me and his friends crossed paths. I remember I was lit as shit this time. And I was just like, I looked at his friend, I was like, I think I'm pregnant. And he was just, he looked at me and he was just like, no. And I was like, yeah. He's like, no. And then I remember I had eaten Taco Bell and I threw that shit up everywhere. And then this is also when I found out I was allergic to Tylenol. So I took a Tylenol and I found I was allergic to that. So that was another thing. I had a fever after that. Not a good time. You know, morning sickness plus a fever, not great. So, anyway. After that, we were going home and I was like, okay, we need to buy a Plan B.

• 34:22Speaker 03

  I'm like, okay, cool. Um, let's go buy a Plan B. We go to the, we go to Walmart. Okay, we go to Wally World. And I was like, alright. Let's go buy a Plan B. We're going to think, I'm looking at the pregnancy test, I'm like, do you think we should buy a pregnancy test? He's just like, why? I was like, I don't know, like, I just feel like we should buy one. And he was just like, okay, but why? I was like, okay, well, you know, we're not really rich right now. I was like, the Plan B is more expensive than the pregnancy test. Imagine if I'm pregnant, we can just return the Plan B. So that was my logic. I was like, alright. And we go, I go in the Walmart bathroom. And I pee on this stick. I put it back in the box. And I walk out and he's just like, what did it say? I'm like, I don't know yet, it's still developing. He's like, okay. We walk to the car.

• 35:06Speaker 03

  We get in the car, we sit down, he's like, are you gonna open it? I was like, yeah. Open that shit? Pregnant. I said, oh. We started crying. We started crying. We was in shock, I was in shock, I was crying, I was like, what do I do? I'm talking to my best friend, I'm like, girl, what do I do? And she's just like, I'd like, you know, do whatever you want to do, whatever you feel is right, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, okay, cool. And, long story short, we kept breaking up and getting back together. He deployed, we kept fighting the entire time. Um, you know, I, he still was talking to other girls, like, it was like a whole thing. And, yeah, that, that was the story of how I found out I was pregnant. How did your family react? Hmm, so I actually kept it from my mom for like three or four months. Okay. Kept it from everybody, for three or four months. I didn't know how to do this. At all.

• 35:51Speaker 03

  Um, I didn't even know I was supposed to go to the doctors. I didn't know anything. I hadn't, I, no one taught me anything, so I didn't know what to do. And I just kept her growing inside of me. I didn't go to an OB-GYN, I didn't go to anything. I just was pregnant. And, they didn't, no one got, I didn't get checked at all, nothing. And I remember, I think like three or four months in, I was getting a little bit bigger. We would go to the grocery store with me and my mom and like, she'd, I would be craving things. And she kind of looks and she's like, Moms know, so I remember there was one time I like she was in I was in my room and this is back when I moved back in with her. And I was in my room and she came to like give me a hug. She said something and like I hugged her. I'm a big hugger.

• 36:32Speaker 03

  She came and gave me a hug and then she goes, you're getting chunky like chubby like like you're getting a little chubby. And I'm just like, oh shit. Like I have to tell her.

• 36:42Alex Cooper?

  You gotta tell her.

• 36:44Speaker 03

  And I'm sitting in my room just like contemplating, I'm like fuck like what do I do, what do I do? So I don't like mom, she was cooking. I was like mom, I was like I have something to tell you. I was like, can you please come to the room? And she's like, she's like.

• 36:55Speaker 03

  She like walks to my room and then she sits on the bed. I'm like, mom, I was like, I did something bad. And my mom is extremely religious. Um, she's Muslim, so she's extremely religious. I was like, I did something bad. And she's just like, did you hurt somebody? Said, no. Did you do drugs? No. Um, did you, she's like just was listening things like, did you do this? I'm like, no. And she goes, are you pregnant? And I just start crying. And she sat there and she looks at me, she goes, don't sin twice. And that's when I knew I was gonna keep my daughter and.

• 37:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's that's the story of how I told my mom.

• 37:35Alex Cooper?

  Wow.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:37Alex Cooper?

  Okay, how did you decide to end that relationship on off again toxic? While you're pregnant, then you have your daughter, like when did you end it and how did you end it with him?

• 37:47Speaker 03

  So we were together, we moved in together after having her and then I think like less than a year, I'm not pretty sure. How exactly how long it was after we moved in together, but. I remember we, there was a lot of things that bothered me in the relationships, like when my daughter was. An infant like first born, um, you know, I was breastfeeding at the time and yeah, I was a stay at home mother, but I was with her 24/7, never sleeping. And you, if I got up, she would cry and cry and it's it's to the point where when your kid has like colic, you. Just don't want to hear crying anymore. Like it's like, it's like you don't want her to cry, so you will sit there and not eat. So she doesn't cry. You will sit there and not shower for days, so she doesn't cry.

• 38:30Alex Cooper?

  Your daughter had colic?

• 38:31Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 38:31Alex Cooper?

  And can you just, just really make sure everyone understands what that is, just in case they don't know?

• 38:35Speaker 03

  So it's like when kids, like they cry for no really apparent reason. Um, like you can do anything and they will not stop crying. And you know, some, some mothers go crazy with it. Like I had to keep my cool the whole time. I would just cry. Because I couldn't do anything. And like one, one time my mom, she was just like, just sit her in the room, walk out for five minutes. She can cry, just come back and just like, collect herself a little bit.

• 39:03Speaker 03

  And like when she would cry in the middle of the night, like I understand he was in the military and he worked a lot. But it's like, you know, this is a team effort. And, you know, being a mom is a full-time job. Like you're with her 24/7 and like in the middle of the night, we were supposed to do shifts. Like if, if like I had to change a diaper, then it was his turn, that was my turn. Sometimes he would do it, but a lot of the time it would be like, like, hey, like I would wake up to her crying. I'm like, hey, can you, can you come on, like, can you help me, can you help me? And he was just like, you do it, you do it. And so I would get up and go do it. And, you know, in times like when he would come home, it was like, oh, let me shower first, then I'll make you something to eat. Oh, can I play this video game real quick and then I can make you something to eat? And or like I'll be like, can you take her so I can do this? Hold on, let me shower.

• 39:47Speaker 03

  Um, and mind you, he was a great dad still. He still did good things, like he still spent time with her. He still was fun with her and stuff like that, but I think a lot of the hardships were on me. And, you know, that's also why like on the show, like the, the baby thing that triggered the fuck out of me.

• 40:03Alex Cooper?

  Let's get to that because we're in his love island and I want to go through that.

• 40:06Speaker 03

  Okay, cool.

• 40:06Alex Cooper?

  So you ended up just realizing this person, it just wasn't going to work romantically.

• 40:10Speaker 03

  It wasn't going to work romantically. There was a point where, you know, he wasn't very good with his finances. And I was just kind of like realizing what I really wanted in a man because I was getting older. I was getting less naive. But yeah, so then during that time, like he wasn't really good with his finances and we were always late on bills, late on everything. I would do Instacart with my daughter, which is dangerous. I would do Instacart with her and bring her with me to do that because we were so broke. And I would give him all the money that I would make from that and we were still late on rent. And I remember there was a time where he was like leaving for I think training or dep- dep- depo- depo- deployment or something. And we had like thirty days, less than thirty days actually, to move out. And we had to get it, find a new place. I have never found a place before.

• 40:55Speaker 03

  I had never done anything like that before. Nothing was packed. Everything was, I had to do everything. And I pack everything. I'm getting, I'm trying to get like some of his friends to help me. Like I hired people to help me move. Like I was doing everything by myself. I was losing my mind trying to find a place, like losing my mind. And I finally found one, like literally like two or three days before I had to move out. And I moved everything in. I put his stuff in the storage room. I left it there. I told him, I said, listen, when you get back, like you have two weeks and that's it. Cause I'm, what kind of man leaves you with all of that?

• 41:31Alex Cooper?

  A boy.

• 41:33Speaker 03

  So I, I wanted better for myself.

• 41:34Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 41:35Speaker 03

  I knew my potential as a woman. I knew my potential in life and I knew what I wanted to do with my life and what I wanted in life. And I wasn't gonna settle.

• 41:44Alex Cooper?

  Nor should you ever. But I get, I can only imagine like the complexity of having a child, but it seems like in a beautiful way, you finally hit that point where you just started to choose yourself. And it was probably the best decision you could have made. But it's so fucking hard to leave.

• 42:03Speaker 03

  It was hard to leave. I remember I would cry every day, every single day.

• 42:08Alex Cooper?

  It's easier to say sometimes.

• 42:11Speaker 03

  I would cry every day by myself. Um, I would, he wouldn't, he wouldn't know I was crying every day. But I would cry every day and I, I would say, I'd like, I hate my life. I don't want this. Like I don't want to be with him. Like I was losing my mind and I was trying to figure out how I could leave and what I could do to leave. I didn't know what to do. Like we weren't even kissing anymore.

• 42:30Alex Cooper?

  And, and when this ended, around, how old were you? Twenty-two, twenty-one?

• 42:35Speaker 03

  Twenty-one-ish, yeah, about twenty-one.

• 42:37Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so now you're twenty-four, right?

• 42:39Speaker 03

  Twenty, around, almost twenty-one, I think.

• 42:41Alex Cooper?

  Okay. So now you're twenty-four. And you have all of this going on in your life. And then fast forward, this little show comes along called Love Island and you decide to go on reality TV.

• 43:14Alex Cooper?

  Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Ross. Fall is about finding pieces you love, making them your own and creating looks and spaces just right for the season. Whether you're updating a small apartment or a spacious home, drawn to timeless neutrals or bold seasonal touches, Ross makes it easy to imagine what's next and bring your fall vision to life. Ross makes fashion accessible to all with up to 20 to 60% off other retailers' prices on the brands you love. Find your nearest Ross at rossstores.com. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by SoFi, the everything app for smarter money. If your money is scattered across five different apps you never open, you're not in control. Your money should move you forward.

• 43:59Alex Cooper?

  With SoFi, you get award-winning banking, investing, borrowing, and more all-in-one app, so you finally know where your money is. Make your first move with SoFi Checking and Savings. Competitive APY, no account fees, a bonus when you join with eligible direct deposit. Terms apply. SoFi Bank, NA Member FDIC. When you're ready to invest or pay off that debt, everything you need is right there. As a SoFi member, you get access to SoFi Wealth's world-class financial planners to help you know what to do next. Get started today at sofi.com/callherdaddy. SoFi, get your money right. This is a paid advertisement by SoFi Technologies and is not intended to be financial advice. Tell me how the fuck that came to me.

• 44:42Alex Cooper?

  Because I'm literally like, holy shit dude, like just, let's just all pause for a minute. Hearing the beginning half of your fucking life dude, and then to where you're sitting right now, I know we have a lot of shit to go through. I know we have so much to talk about of what the way the internet feels about how you act and all these things, but like, this is the shit of why I love doing my job. Because it's like, We know none of this. We've known none of this. We didn't know about your childhood. And I understand Love Island's not the platform to like be talking about this kind of shit. But when we're judging so intensely someone on reality TV, there's 19 million more chapters that we weren't privy to.

• 45:23Alex Cooper?

  And so I appreciate you even opening up a little bit today because I know there's so much more to these stories. And we're getting a preview, but thank you for sharing because it does give a lot of insight into now what we are about to talk about.

• 45:34Speaker 03

  Thank you for asking.

• 45:36Alex Cooper?

  Of course. Okay, Love Island. How? How did this come to be?

• 45:40Speaker 03

  So I always wanted to do the show. It was always a dream of mine to do the show. Um, I just never knew if I was going to. I remember like when I would go, sometimes I would go on like TikTok Live with like, at the time, because I was doing social, like gym content a lot of times. So I would go on, you know, live sometimes and just talk about gym stuff. And like everyone kept saying like, because sometimes I would say stories like about my dating life because it's fun, like to talk about it. Um, and I would tell people about my dating life, but everyone was like, you should go on Love Island. I could so see you on Love Island. You should do Love Island. Everyone's pushing me, but like you should do Love Island. I was like, okay, I met this guy.

• 46:17Speaker 03

  That's how it all starts. I met this guy and he knew that I wanted to do Love Island. And it ended up being just like a really toxic thing where it was like, he was not at all who I thought he was. That ended. He ended up trying to like rub in my face, so they reached out to him.

• 46:31Speaker 03

  And because he knew I wanted to do it. And I was like, huh. He might do it. Why the fuck can't I do it? Because he told me it was dumb. So I was like, why the fuck can't I do it? You're rubbing it in my face. I said, fuck it. I'll apply. I apply traditionally. I applied traditionally and I said, you know what? I'm going to do it. And I did. And then I think like a month later or something, I had gone, reached out to, not even, sorry. I got reached out to shortly after that, but about a month later, I had my interview. Did that. Months later, another interview. Then I think it was like the final point where I met the producers. Since then, every week, like multiple interviews a week, multiple things I had to do.

• 47:13Speaker 03

  Then I remember I flew to Fiji and I manifested this shit bitch. I'm just like positive, I'm always trying to stay positive, even though regardless of how negative that situation was like I was staying positive and I was like, I'm going to have this. I would speak it into existence, like this is going to be my reality. I'm going to have this, this is what I'm going to do. And I was like, I kept telling myself, I'm gonna be an OG. I'm going to be an OG. I kept telling myself that. I was like, I'm going to be an OG. And I remember I came to Fiji, they flew me out. And, you know, I had done all the interviews and whatnot and like all the filming prep work and whatever and they're like, this doesn't guarantee you're on the show still. I'm like, okay, I'm like, I have anxiety, I'm so, I'd like to know things before they happen.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  And, you know, I'm sitting there and then I get told, we want you in the first lining, like the first lineup. I was just like, my jaw on the floor, like on the fucking floor bitch, that shit was catching, that flies were flying in the hole. And I was like, holy shit, my manifestations are coming true. And I get on the show, doing the whole thing. I think I had a lot of luck on that show, in terms of how long I stayed. Um, and I think that whole show is really luck, a lot of it is luck, America's voting, luck, like it's luck. How they perceive you, luck.

• 48:31Alex Cooper?

  Okay, well, we're gonna go back to the fucking beginning.

• 48:34Speaker 03

  Let's go.

• 48:35Alex Cooper?

  I didn't watch all these episodes for nothing bitch.

• 48:37Speaker 03

  Come on, pussy butt.

• 48:37Alex Cooper?

  You didn't live it for nothing.

• 48:38Speaker 03

  Let's do it, boom, chicken boom.

• 48:40Alex Cooper?

  Okay, day one, couple up with Jeremiah.

• 48:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:44Alex Cooper?

  What was your first impression of this man?

• 48:47Speaker 03

  Um, so, okay, so when we first saw each other, I remember I thought everyone was really attractive. Um, when he came in, he like, I could just, you know when you can just tell when a guy really likes you? The way they look at you?

• 48:57Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 48:57Speaker 03

  I remember I was like, I went to go hug him and like I tripped backwards and he like pulled me in and that like stuck with me. And I was like, hmm, it's like a movie, I was like, love it, um, you know, my childhood dreams are coming true. Uh, I remember in that point and then, you know, we, you know, kiss in the heart thing. And, you know, he kissed the girl on the cheek and I was like, hmm. Like, why would a man not do that for me? You know what I'm saying? I'm like, I'm like, okay, period. Like, we love that. Um, everyone's like, do you not think that's a red flag? I'm like, damn, like, is that a red flag? I'm like, fuck, I'm like, am I tripping here? Cause I'm so used to getting love bombed. At that point, when everyone's like pointing out to me, they're like, do you not think that's a red flag? And I'm sitting there and beach on, I'm just like, am I having love bomb? Like, is this not real? I'm like, is, like, is this, like, am I tripping?

• 49:39Alex Cooper?

  How would you describe your guys' dynamic in the first 24 hours? That first 24 hours off the rip?

• 49:46Speaker 03

  Me and Jeremiah?

• 49:46Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 49:47Speaker 03

  Oh, lovey dovey as fuck. Like, he was so into me, I was so into him. Like, even on chill days, like, we would always, like, blow kisses from across the room. Like, we would look at each other and be like, and like, we would get yelled at, be like, stop interacting with each other. Like, we would do all those little hearts to each other, like, blow kisses. Like, we would sneak in the hallway to kiss each other, and like, we would get in trouble. Like, we would do those things all the time. Like, we would kiss each other all over each other's faces and whatnot. It was very physical.

• 50:12Alex Cooper?

  So, you intentionally decided that you wanted to wait to tell Jeremiah about your daughter? Why was waiting important to you?

• 50:23Speaker 03

  So, I felt like, in the dating world, in the real world, I think that people don't really see me as a person, and like, get to know me fully. I think immediately it's like, mom, and they're just like, oh, she's a mom, she's a mom, she's a mom. I'm more than just a mom. Like, I'm Huda. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's more to me than just that. And I was taking this opportunity as a way for people to get to know me first, to decide if they liked me, and then go from there. There's people that have mom fetishes and shit all the time. Like, do you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm trying to let them get to know me first. And I said this on the show. I don't know if it was ever shown, I haven't watched it back. But like, I said all of these things.

• 50:57Alex Cooper?

  One of the things that people online have kind of accused you of being slightly manipulative by hiding that part of your life from Jeremiah, did you feel like you were leading him on and kind of setting up to him, up to fail by keeping this from him?

• 51:13Speaker 03

  Um, not necessarily. Whenever we would have conversations and stuff, and I felt like he was liking me more and more and more as a person, I was like, okay, I, I can tell he really likes me, so I think this is the, the right time to tell him. I was terrified to tell him.

• 51:27Alex Cooper?

  Why?

• 51:27Speaker 03

  Cause I was, cause I really liked him. I was so scared. Like, I was, I was like, what is he gonna do? Like, I hope he reacts well. Um, you know, I didn't want him to freak out, to be continued. But like, you know, I was just, um, but yeah, so I was just like, okay, I want it to be the right time to tell him. And... You know, I did bring it to his attention and we talked about it. Um, I fucking stuttered a lot of the time I said, because I was so nervous. Like, I was so scared to tell him. And Yeah, I, I told him, he told me, he was like, he was like, honestly, I find it more attractive than your mom, da, da, da, da. Did I fully believe him? No. Um, but I told him, I made sure to mention him. I was like, listen.

• 52:11Speaker 03

  If I, like, I'm telling you this, but you do not have to stay with me. I made it very clear, I was like, you do not have to be with me. It is okay for you not, to not want to be with me. Um, like, I just wanted to bring this to our attention. Like, if you want to go explore, like, by all means, just let me know. Because I really like you. And, you know, clearly, like, we both really like each other, but if this is a deal breaker for you. Just let me know. He's like reassuring me, like, no, like, I'm just more attracted to me than your mom, like, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, okay, cool. And You know, I'm letting him know, like, you can leave if you want to. And there's times where I brought that up to him, when I could tell he was kind of switching his, the way he would treat me a, after I told him. And he would just, he would get to him and be like, I can make my own decisions. I know what I want to, like, I can do that.

• 52:54Alex Cooper?

  A huge debate on the internet is whether Jeremiah was the victim of Hurricane Huda, or if you were the victim of Jeremiah's love bombing. Just if you had to give your immediate reaction, what is your answer?

• 53:07Speaker 03

  I think that we both had faults in the, in the relationship. Like, I don't think that anyone should fully take blame for anything, in all honesty.

• 53:14Alex Cooper?

  Jealousy was a theme throughout you and Jeremiah's relationship. In the second episode, he was convinced that you got up to kiss someone during the blindfold challenge. And he was like, convinced. He kept asking you and asking you, and you were like, I swear to you, I didn't. You, he made you pinky promise, the whole thing. What red flags, if any, did that raise for you? Or did that not freak you out?

• 53:36Speaker 03

  You know, it's so weird. I think I'm, I'm such, I'm such a person where it's like, I love giving reassurance. And I love making sure people are okay. And in that moment, I was like, oh, my God, like, like, are you okay? Like, are you good? Like, are you, are you okay? Like, I did, I don't want you to feel, you know, like, I'm gonna do something to you. Like, are you, like, I promise I'm not gonna hurt you, like, and I would just, I just wanted to make sure he was okay. Like, take care of him in that moment.

• 54:00Alex Cooper?

  Do you see, though, that it's day two and you guys are already having that level where it's like, you're not closed off and you having to reassure him?

• 54:06Speaker 03

  We moved so fast.

• 54:07Alex Cooper?

  That's fast.

• 54:09Speaker 03

  We moved fast.

• 54:10Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 54:10Speaker 03

  We did.

• 54:11Alex Cooper?

  You spoke about how you like when guys are obsessed with you. How do you tell the difference between when that is healthy? And then when that can lead to being problematic?

• 54:21Speaker 03

  I think that, especially on the show, I think I've learned a lot more about how to differentiate the two. Um, but I think there's a point of like obsession where it's like, I've had moments in the past where like, people are like, should I, should I, should I move to, to North Carolina? Should I stay, should I stay here and not move to another city? Like, and you know, past me, I might've been like, oh my God, he lugs me a lot. Like, wow. And then another part would be like, that's really crazy. Like, that's insane. Like, don't do that. When I say like, being obsessed with me, it's more so like, okay, I like a man who like, wants to hug me and like physical affection and stuff like that. I like a man who's like, no, like, I want to make sure I'm

• 55:04Speaker 03

  taking her to do this and I want to make this little cute thing that's thoughtful for her and I want to do this for her. I want her to be happy. And I want to show that I really like her.

• 55:12Alex Cooper?

  Now, looking back in those very early days, what red flags do you think you missed from Jeremiah?

• 55:21Speaker 03

  Damn, I gotta reel it back. Shit, there's so much that has happened in that villa. It's like,

• 55:25Alex Cooper?

  I know.

• 55:26Speaker 03

  I mean, honestly, the whole thing with the, you told me the kissing thing.

• 55:29Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 55:30Speaker 03

  The people brought that to my attention. Like, that is a red flag. Um, you know, just like, from what I've seen is like, when I'm having conversations with other people, like, he's looking over too. Like, see things like that. You know, when, for example, before Pepe walked in, he was like, I'm, I'm not gonna be intimidated unless he's like a 6'3", like buff guy. Like, I'm not gonna be intimidated at all. Then Pepe walks in and now it's like a, when he found out Pepe didn't really like me, that's why he befriended Pepe. And to make sure, like, that's what the guys would do. They would befriend each other so hard. I never had a shot. Like, it was not fair. Like, At all. And now it's bro code. And I clocked all this shit. There's so much stuff that I clocked that proved me right when I saw like little edits and shit. I was like, oh my God, I wasn't crazy.

• 56:14Speaker 03

  Like, I wasn't losing my mind here, girl. When the whole Iris thing happened, I think I was working out with Pepe and Hannah and like at this time I wasn't with Jeremiah, I wasn't with him. I remember he was in the kitchen. And I could just feel this man staring, like I see him staring because Pepe was like helping me with my weights and stuff. And I could see this man staring from the kitchen. Like, I'm just like, I know he's looking at me right now. He does that. He would do that.

• 56:36Alex Cooper?

  Okay, whenever a new bombshell came into the villa and wanted to explore with Jeremiah, you had pretty intense reactions, even though you guys weren't technically close off.

• 56:45Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 56:46Alex Cooper?

  Why were you getting so territorial?

• 56:49Speaker 03

  I think because I was scared because of everyone doubting us in general. And it made me wonder like, okay, what is he saying? And I'm like, should I be more possessive of this man? Like, should I

• 57:01Speaker 03

  mark my territory here? And, you know, like, because he told me, like, you know, we're, yeah, we're technically exploring other people, but like, you're the only person I want, like, da-da-da. And I'm like, okay, let me make it clear that, like, we only want each other, but like, we're still open to exploring other people.

• 57:16Alex Cooper?

  That's interesting. Okay, because so basically you're trying to say you were feeling like other people were questioning you guys. So you thought-

• 57:22Speaker 03

  So much throughout the villa.

• 57:24Alex Cooper?

  So you wanted to lean in more to prove like, no, look, we're good and we like each other. And you're almost like putting up a bigger facade. Not that it's fake, but it's like, let's play it up a little bit so they really believe us because we do like each other.

• 57:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, there was even times where, I don't know if any of this was shown, like, for example, like me and Amaya, we're besties now. But like, back then, I thought, because I heard that the bombshells watch before they come in, I thought that she knew me and Jeremiah were so like, lovey dovey. And she did that on purpose to piss me off. So at that time, I had thought that she did that to piss me off. So I'm sitting here like, this bitch, like, fuck this girl. Like, she knew that me and him were like, all lovey dovey. Like, how are you gonna fuck with somebody who, like, you know, that is like, super close with their person? Like, you're weird as fuck for that. And that's what I thought. And until after she told me, I was like, okay, but then I knew she still wanted to explore him. And then at the time, I was just like-

• 58:17Speaker 03

  This is just weird. It's the new, it's first bombshell.

• 58:19Alex Cooper?

  Do you think though, Huda, that now looking back?

• 58:22Speaker 03

  It's the second bombshell, sorry.

• 58:23Alex Cooper?

  It's fine.

• 58:24Speaker 03

  Second rack of the bombshell.

• 58:24Alex Cooper?

  But now looking back at that Amaya moment, like let's use that as an example. You going and being pissed at Amaya, even if she had watched. That's her job as a bombshell.

• 58:37Speaker 03

  I know, and that's what I had to learn.

• 58:38Alex Cooper?

  You know what I mean?

• 58:38Speaker 03

  I had to learn that. Like, I was, this is new. This is not the real world. Like, this is very different. You have to adjust to this shit.

• 58:45Alex Cooper?

  Do you now see how people on the internet could be upset with you? Being like, that is like fucked, that you're going at Amaya. It's not Amaya's fault.

• 58:53Speaker 03

  No, did they, did they show anything of me saying like?

• 58:57Alex Cooper?

  Oh, what?

• 58:57Speaker 03

  No, anything of me saying like, okay, oh, I didn't know that you didn't know, blah, blah, blah?

• 59:01Alex Cooper?

  I don't think we saw that.

• 59:03Speaker 03

  Weird.

• 59:04Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, at one point-

• 59:06Speaker 03

  I'm so sorry. Can I point on something on that last thing?

• 59:09Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 59:09Speaker 03

  So I was gonna say, also at this time as well, that's when all the boys were like pushing Jeremiah, like, "Go explore, go explore, go explore", like, like, like, do you know what I'm saying? And it made me just be like, damn, like, all these boys are encouraging this man to, to do this. And it's like, damn, you're trying to, you're encouraging him to like, leave me, basically. Because none of the guys liked me, really.

• 59:28Alex Cooper?

  Pause. Why?

• 59:30Speaker 03

  Bitch.

• 59:34Speaker 03

  It beats me. Like, I, I don't fucking know. And there might be things that I haven't seen that I gotta go look at. But, you know, a lot of the time, like, I feel as though people didn't want me and Jeremiah to be together.

• 59:46Alex Cooper?

  Why?

• 59:48Alex Cooper?

  If you had to give your best guess, why do you think people were so upset? And I get, as it got on and it got toxic, fine, people were like, this is fucking, fucking up the villa. But the very, very beginning, they did not want this? Why do you think, if you can come up with your best guess?

• 1:00:01Speaker 03

  They have their own narrative on like, what to do in Love Island. And like, yes, you're supposed to explore, but if someone wants to walk in, let them walk in. Like, if someone wants to explore, let them explore. Like, let them do whatever they want. It's their own narrative, it's their own life.

• 1:00:10Alex Cooper?

  They were very fixated on it.

• 1:00:12Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. It was a big topic in the villa. Like, everybody only talked about me and Jeremiah.

• 1:00:16Alex Cooper?

  Especially Ace. He was fixated on you and Jeremiah.

• 1:00:20Speaker 03

  So I've heard.

• 1:00:21Alex Cooper?

  That is a fucking fact. Like this man, half the time, I think most of the time I was looking at tweets, people were like, can this man give Shelley half the energy in the beginning days that he's giving Huda and Jeremiah? Like, bro, get in your own relationship, stop getting in theirs.

• 1:00:36Speaker 03

  I have no idea.

• 1:00:36Alex Cooper?

  Even if it's toxic, even if it's whatever, like, let them do their thing before this seeped into affecting the whole villa I'm talking about. We're not there yet. But at one point Ace literally questioned, what happened to you in your past that made you move so quickly in your dating life? Looking back, do you think his concerns were valid or do you think he was crossing the line?

• 1:00:56Speaker 03

  I think his concerns were valid. I think that, you know, he has a right to ask me these things.

• 1:01:01Speaker 03

  Which is fine. And like, honestly, I respect people who talk and ask me things. Like, I would rather someone have that conversation with me rather than assume. That's something that would happen a lot in the villa. No one would sit down and ask me, hey, why is it that you do these type of things? And I respect people that do that. In all honesty, I really do.

• 1:01:20Alex Cooper?

  Can you confirm, was there ever any sexual tension between you and Ace?

• 1:01:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, at one point I liked him. I definitely did. Like, there was a point where I definitely found him attractive. I thought he was really cute. I did not kiss him for nothing. Like...

• 1:01:33Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. Have you seen now the screenshots that people have posted confirming that Ace used to like a lot of your Instagram photos?

• 1:01:42Speaker 03

  So I've seen.

• 1:01:43Alex Cooper?

  Before you guys even got to the villa?

• 1:01:45Speaker 03

  So I've seen. I've heard excuses. I've seen, I... That is something where I can't say. It's not, it's beyond me. That is his own words to be telling. I... It is beyond me, whether it's AI, whether he blames it on someone else, whether it's whatever, like, it's beyond me. So I've heard that he's unliked all of them. Like, I don't, I've heard, I don't, these are a word of ear. I've, girl, I've only been here for so long. Like, I haven't been able to catch one. I'm trying, bitch.

• 1:02:12Alex Cooper?

  Okay, can you clarify for me, how early on were you and Jeremiah intimate?

• 1:02:17Speaker 03

  Oh damn. I don't even know. Like...

• 1:02:21Speaker 03

  Honestly, I don't remember.

• 1:02:23Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:02:23Speaker 03

  Even when people were saying like, "Oh, we did shit." Like, it was like, you can't fully do shit in there. Like, yeah, we had sex, but it wasn't like, full-on boo-boo. Like, do you know what I'm saying?

• 1:02:37Alex Cooper?

  What was that noise you just made?

• 1:02:38Speaker 03

  Boo-boo. Like, there is not full... Like, boom-chicka-boom, the ba-chicka-ba-bam. Like, it's... It wasn't like, full, you know?

• 1:02:45Alex Cooper?

  But you were like, you were intimate pretty early.

• 1:02:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, we were.

• 1:02:50Alex Cooper?

  How do you think that complicated things, if it did?

• 1:02:52Speaker 03

  I think that you should definitely, from learning from my mistakes, like, especially coming out of this, don't do that. That's all I will say, like, don't do it. Like, that is a no-no. I think that a lot of times when guys end up getting what they want, it changes their character. And...

• 1:03:13Alex Cooper?

  You felt that way?

• 1:03:14Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. I did. I don't think I spoke on it, but I... There's things that I felt a lot in the villa that I never spoke on, but I clocked.

• 1:03:22Alex Cooper?

  Why?

• 1:03:23Speaker 03

  Because I didn't really have much people to talk to about it.

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  That's why a lot of the time, like, with Psych and stuff, like, I would ask for it so I could talk about it.

• 1:03:31Alex Cooper?

  What did you feel about, post-being intimate with him, how was... What was the shift?

• 1:03:39Speaker 03

  Like, when I would ask him to do, like, nice things for me, because, like, a lot of the guys in the villa were doing really cute, thoughtful things for their girls and couples, and they weren't even on the level of, like, intimacy as we were, or anything. And, like, they weren't saying the things that we were saying to each other. That's why the love bombing, like, "Hey, you know, you got what you wanted." And...

• 1:04:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's just, I don't know, like, there was that, and... I would ask of things, and, like, people were always like... I saw people were saying like, "Oh, she's so needy, she's so this, she's so that." "What is it, man? I say I'm not your cup of tea, don't drink it." Like, the fuck?

• 1:04:14Alex Cooper?

  But I think it's, um, interesting to hear you with, especially with love bombing, which we'll eventually get to, and... But you're talking about the phase where you're being lifted up, like, you're this princess, and you're the world, and you're his girl, and you're all these things. And then you basically get physical, and you feel discarded. And it's kind of like, "I got what I needed." And now I think it's important... I'm not saying everything that you went on to do was correct, but I do think it's good that we're kind of just, like, walking through slowly, because any woman listening...

• 1:04:42Alex Cooper?

  I hope you haven't experienced it, but I have, so I can sit across from you and say I've been there where there is this horrible feeling when you realize, oh my God, did he love the chase? And then I gave in and I had sex with him and now

• 1:04:56Alex Cooper?

  it's not as enticing to him. It's not as interesting. And so you being like, can you just do little cute things for me? You're really just trying to see like-

• 1:05:07Speaker 03

  I was like, damn, it's only physical. Like, like, I was like, fuck. Yeah, you're making me breakfast in the morning, but like, sometimes it's, it's more than just breakfast in the morning. And then people are like, oh, you're, well, you're not doing stuffing for him? I'm not giving wifey shit to a man who don't fucking deserve it.

• 1:05:22Alex Cooper?

  Can you explain Pancake Gate to me?

• 1:05:25Speaker 03

  Bitch. Oh, can I explain this to you before I do that? So there was times where like I would express to him what I, like I, what I wanted from him. And like, I would be like, hey, can you do this for me? He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do it. And I would never do it. And it drove me crazy because it was like every single day I'd be like, hey, like, you know, and it's a lot for me to come up to someone and be like, hey, this is what I want. Because I always get scared I'm gonna push them away. And I would say like, hey, you know, and it's one of our conversations we had early on is like, I have a hard time asking for things. And yes, I've done it a lot in the show, but it's like, it's because I'm getting out of my fucking comfort zone. I'm trying to ask for things. And I'm trying to be communicative and like speak about it, what I'm feeling.

• 1:06:08Speaker 03

  Because the whole point, how are you feeling? Like all the time. And so I brought things up to him and he would say he was gonna do, oh yeah, I have this and I have this and I have this planned. I'm gonna do this, this and this for you. I'm like, okay, yay. I'm sitting there waiting like for the day.

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  Nothing. I'm like, that would drive any girl crazy.

• 1:06:25Alex Cooper?

  Without a doubt. My question though, back to you is, do you think that you reciprocate the same standards that you hold your partners to?

• 1:06:35Speaker 03

  When I'm with somebody like, and they are showing me days on end that they truly give a fuck about me, getting to know me, about showing me that they like me more than just words, but through actions. Then I'm the type of person like girl with my ex, he switched his career every two seconds. Every single time he'd be like, oh, I want to decorate shoes. I said, okay, cool. Bought him everything for it. Oh, I want to go run track. I was at the field with him. Oh, I want to do this. I would do XYZ with him all like I'm such a supportive partner. I love uplifting and motivating whoever I'm with. That is my big thing. I think that you can do anything you want and you set your mind to. And I feel like every man needs that. They need a woman who's their cheerleader. And that's who I am in a relationship. Like that's what I do. I love taking care of somebody. I'm a mom.

• 1:07:18Speaker 03

  Like I love taking care of somebody, making someone feel okay. I like, like when I, when I have, like, am I actually like with somebody? I love cooking for them. I love cleaning, doing their laundry, massages. I love doing all of those things for my partner. And in past relationships, I'm a hundred percent that girl and I do that.

• 1:07:36Alex Cooper?

  What do you think was the actual first crack in you and Jeremiah's relationship?

• 1:07:41Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, I have to like deep dive. Can you remind me of like key points?

• 1:07:44Alex Cooper?

  I mean, I definitely think after you guys were intimate, I felt you understandably being needier, like wanting more validation external from physical. And it almost felt like that, like pursuer regressor situation where you were going to him being like, can you do this? Can you do this?

• 1:08:02Speaker 03

  And he would run away.

• 1:08:03Alex Cooper?

  And he would run away. And then it was.

• 1:08:05Speaker 03

  And I felt that in person and it just makes you want to run more to them. Like you want to be like, hey, look, can I do this? Can I do that? Like, am I, am I, like, are you mad at me? Or you did like, and I, I'm always that person like, are you mad at me? Did I do something wrong? You know, one of the big talks me and him had before we even started anything was, we're going to communicate. We have to communicate. We're going to tell each other everything. And he told me I could tell him everything. So I did. Anytime I was feeling something, I would tell him. And, you know, I, everyone has expectations for their partner, like what they want. And I think at the time, like I was thinking about like what could be, and I wasn't thinking about like the reality of it and like seeing it for how it was. And at that point, it was like too late for me to even explore others because everyone had their mind made up about me.

• 1:08:47Speaker 03

  They're like, oh yeah, she's so locked in and she's this and she's that. And it's like, great. So like now I really don't have an option if I wanted to. So I'm forced to make this work.

• 1:08:55Alex Cooper?

  At one point in the season, Jeremiah told Iris, even though that you guys were going through this rough patch, he was still focused on you. You were his girl. He was validating your relationship, but you were upset that he had confided in Iris. Why was that something that made you uncomfortable?

• 1:09:12Speaker 03

  I don't like when people talk about like our business. Personally, I've, maybe I've done in the past, I'm hypocritical, but like I've, I mean, I don't like it. And then I've learned from my mistakes, you know what I'm saying? Like, am I gonna do that? No. Like, do you know, everyone fucks up. Um, but yeah, no, I just didn't want him to tell that to someone I don't know.

• 1:09:36Alex Cooper?

  So I get that you being upset, and I think what people got frustrated with you during the season, Hoda, was like, a lot of times, your feelings were valid. That's so valid for you being like, why are you telling another woman about our issues? That like, she likes you and you guys have kissed and like, what, this is messy. Please don't talk about our shit.

• 1:09:54Speaker 03

  And I'm sorry, but when he's walking in, she's like, and stuff, like freaking the fuck out about it. I'm like, you're giving me the ick, brother. Like, get the fuck out of my face.

• 1:10:04Alex Cooper?

  But see, okay, Hoda, what I'm saying is, your feeling is valid.

• 1:10:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:07Alex Cooper?

  But your reaction, a lot of the time, you took it too far to the point then where you were basically losing your credibility.

• 1:10:17Speaker 03

  Remember when I told you that they, there's a lot of things that play into how you react emotionally in men?

• 1:10:21Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 1:10:22Speaker 03

  Is that right? No, it's not right. And it's my first time in an environment like that. Never in my life I've been in an environment like that. Usually I can just have that conversation when I want to, or feel the feelings like privately, or do, you know what I'm saying? And in terms of like, crash outs, for example, bitch, we all fucking crash out. Like, everybody crashes the fuck out. And in all honesty, if someone says, oh, you're doing so much, I know damn well your ass fucking crashed out in your room alone in 2018 over fucking Jacoby. Like, like, what the fuck? Like, do you know what I'm saying? Mine was just fucking caught on national television. Do I think I could have handled that a lot better? Yeah. And that's what taking accountability and learning from your mistakes is.

• 1:11:06Alex Cooper?

  Can you talk to me about this communication breakdown? It seems like you and Jeremiah got to this point where you guys were always arguing. You could not get it right. Like, we hit this one point in the season where it was like, holy fucking shit, they actually can't have one civilized conversation? When you would talk about things, why do you think the communication was breaking down so heavily?

• 1:11:28Speaker 03

  So, I think that at a point, I was scared that things weren't gonna work. And I, I, like, at one point, I knew that I had no other options in there, first of all. And that, I mean, I'm, this is partially my fault. Like, do you understand? Like, it's not like, it's not like I didn't prevent that from happening. And, you know, and that's the thing, I, like, I made mistakes in there, and I've, I've had to learn throughout the season that, hey, you shouldn't do that. Um, but there was little things that built up where it was like, okay, you know,

• 1:12:01Speaker 03

  I'm asking you, like, hey, can you just, do you want to play ping pong with me? Like, I really want to play ping pong. And you don't want to play with me, but you pull Iris and play with her. You've never pulled me the entire season to play ping pong. It's like little things that, like, mean something to me. And people say, oh, you're so nitpicky, you're so this, you're so that. Okay, there's things that I like in a relationship, there's things I want in a relationship. The right man is gonna do all of those things.

• 1:12:23Alex Cooper?

  When the shocking recoupling happening where America split you and Jeremiah up,

• 1:12:30Alex Cooper?

  going into that night, like, what were your feelings about your relationship? And then how did you feel when you found out that you guys got split up?

• 1:12:37Speaker 03

  At that point, I think I felt fine in the relationship. Um, I can't remember vividly exactly what happened, I would have to watch it back, like, I really don't. I just remember that I felt fine. Um, because I was like, oh, you know, couples argue, like, we can work on things, blah, blah, blah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was like, I'm willing to work through this, and yada, yada, yada. And then, when it happened, I was like, what? I was so confused. I was like, America fucking hates me. I was having a full-blown panic attack. Full-blown panic attack, off-camera, like, full-blown. They're sitting there with me, like, okay, like, calm down, like, you're gonna be okay. I'm like, I failed as a mother, I fucked up, like, I'm like, America fucking hates me, like, my daughter's gonna come back and her mom's gonna be the worst, the most hated person in the world, and I was like, now she has to live with that, like, I'm,

• 1:13:22Speaker 03

  oh, I'm gonna cry again, because it's like, I'm reliving it, but...

• 1:13:31Speaker 03

  And each time I talk about my daughter, I cry. Um, but, you know, so, I just, I was like, I failed.

• 1:13:42Speaker 03

  At that point, I was like, I failed. Um, and it was a terrible feeling.

• 1:13:51Speaker 03

  I'm so thankful, that's why I say luck is a big thing. I'm just so thankful that I had an opportunity to redeem myself, not once, but twice.

• 1:14:00Speaker 03

  First time, did I do that to the full extent? No, because I was convinced, maybe I can make things work still. And I knew that, for example, Pepe didn't want to explore me because, you know, me and Jeremiah were still locked in. And with Jalen, Jalen wasn't my type. And he's a sweet guy, but like, he wasn't my type. And they always say, you know, explore people that aren't your type. And there, I knew what my type was, and that's what I wanted. Um, but yeah, I was convinced that I could maybe make things work and fix things. I came to the point, it wasn't. Then I got saved again.

• 1:14:32Alex Cooper?

  But even that moment, Hoda, again, all we see is you're on the chopping chopping block, you almost go home, he recouples with Iris, and you go up to the makeup room and you are hysterical. You're sobbing, you're so emotional.

• 1:14:45Speaker 03

  So you want to know why? I don't know if they didn't show this part, but this was a big, big, big part. And this is why, this is the literal reason why I was sobbing so much up there. I am there for Jeremiah 24/7, always, checking on him. When he's arguing with the boys and he's sad and whatever, I'm there for him. I'm like, hey, like, it's okay, you're gonna be okay. When, in that moment, I'm hysterically crying. Taylor is sitting there comforting me the whole time. When we're off camera, he's comforting me. Taylor's scared as fuck, but he's comforting me, okay? Same goes when, when Taylor was in there and I'm purposely saying out loud, "Hey, Taylor, do you want to help me with my coffee?" Like, trying to see, hey, is Jeremiah gonna see that? Jeremiah's standing right there.

• 1:15:29Speaker 03

  I'm trying to see if he's gonna step up and be like, "No, like, you're not making my girl coffee." You know what I'm saying? Like, I wanted that from him, to show him, like, show me, hey, I like, I, I, I'm, I'm, I want to do these things for you. Ask me, "Hey, would you like a coffee?" Like, you know, something like that. And in that moment, after the chopping block, I was hysterically crying because of how much I, like, I felt like I failed. I'm crying, I'm crying, I'm crying. Charlie goes home.

• 1:15:58Speaker 03

  Jeremiah does not check on me once.

• 1:16:03Alex Cooper?

  We saw that.

• 1:16:04Speaker 03

  You did? Like, he didn't, he didn't check on me at all. I'm always checking on this man. He never checked on me. The one time I really needed him, he was not there for me.

• 1:16:14Alex Cooper?

  That was a rough watch, cuz you were saying like, my husband would never, like, wha- what kind of man is that? Like, where is he?

• 1:16:21Speaker 03

  And he's more focused on himself at that time. And there's so many times where like, I was still there for him regardless of what was going on. Like, I was always there. And I always made sure he was like, hey, look at the milk challenge. I still, I was, I remember, and I sat there for a minute. They only showed a quick clip, but I sat there for a minute like, I'm so sorry. I gotta say, I was like, I'm so sorry. Like, I rubbed his face like that. We were sitting on the bleachers and we were both getting milked on. He's looking at me while I'm crying, like, checking on me. And like, he rubs my leg. And he's making sure I'm okay, and I rub his arm. Like, we, we were still checking on each other all these times, like, and in that moment after the chopping block, and I realized he was never there for me, it just, it made me hysterical cuz I was like, this man doesn't care.

• 1:17:04Alex Cooper?

  Once this all went down, you guys are no longer in a couple. We saw things really shift. And I think this is really when people deemed this as like, the crash out era, where you're no longer in a couple, things are shifting, you're kinda starting to spiral because you're losing him. Were you aware of how unhealthy things were getting between the two of you in the villa?

• 1:17:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:27Alex Cooper?

  Like, you felt it?

• 1:17:28Speaker 03

  I did.

• 1:17:30Alex Cooper?

  Did it feel like it had gotten bigger than you? Like, or were you just trying to save the relate? Like, what were you trying to do in that moment, you think?

• 1:17:37Speaker 03

  Can you read it at the moment?

• 1:17:38Alex Cooper?

  Like, you, hmm.

• 1:17:40Speaker 03

  I'm so sorry.

• 1:17:41Alex Cooper?

  I know, I got it. Let me just read it to you right here. I have a perfect example.

• 1:17:46Alex Cooper?

  The internet was extremely upset when you called Jeremiah a pussy ass bitch.

• 1:17:52Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:17:52Alex Cooper?

  And then there's also the other side of the internet who are like, damn, if that's what you guys consider bad, you would fucking hate to see me on Love Island. Regardless of how the internet feels about it, there was a lot of Name calling and all the things like what pushed you over to the edge to start kind of like using a little bit more profanity?

• 1:18:10Speaker 03

  So at that point, I just felt like he kept winning. It really upset me because like it just felt like the stars were just aligning for him and everything was fucked for me that whole time. I was in top of the box twice. This man doesn't check on me. Then he's on a date and I'm crying by myself. Like then he comes back happy as can fucking be enjoying his day. Still doesn't give a fuck. Like it's just like damn, all that shit you said to me, where is that? And I'm just sitting there, I'm just like, damn, I'm stupid as fuck for sticking around like and just giving this man my all like I'm dumb for that. Cause even in that moment, even after everything he did, I was still checking on this man like, and I shouldn't have done that. I should have never done that. And you know, like people are saying, oh, like it's so bad that you called him a pussy ass bitch.

• 1:18:55Speaker 03

  Be so thrilled. You know how many people called a man pussy ass bitch?

• 1:18:57Alex Cooper?

  Me.

• 1:18:58Speaker 03

  Right?

• 1:18:59Alex Cooper?

  My ex boyfriend, if you're watching.

• 1:19:02Speaker 03

  My bitch.

• 1:19:04Alex Cooper?

  He is a fucking pussy ass bitch.

• 1:19:05Speaker 03

  No, but like mine was recorded like. I should be like, when you're texting with your friends and your man just fucking did shit like that to you or something, you can text your friends and be like, fuck that man.

• 1:19:15Alex Cooper?

  You fucking piece of shit loser ass little bitch boy.

• 1:19:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:18Alex Cooper?

  I will fucking ruin your life.

• 1:19:20Speaker 03

  Literally. Hold on, hold.

• 1:19:24Alex Cooper?

  Let's calm down.

• 1:19:25Speaker 03

  I'm weak as fuck.

• 1:19:26Alex Cooper?

  I'm getting triggered.

• 1:19:27Speaker 03

  She's like, hold on.

• 1:19:28Alex Cooper?

  And also.

• 1:19:29Speaker 03

  And now that's a ribbon. Like.

• 1:19:31Alex Cooper?

  We literally go back like this drama.

• 1:19:34Speaker 03

  Like that one moment.

• 1:19:34Alex Cooper?

  No, but it's real. It's like, why are you being held to this standard? Again, I'm not condoning it, but I'm also.

• 1:19:39Speaker 03

  It's not the best way to do things. No, like it's really not.

• 1:19:43Alex Cooper?

  It's like, is it a crash out? And I think again, this is a big conversation. If this was a man versus a woman, it's like, when you see a crash out, we have seen men on reality TV punch a fucking hole through a wall. We have seen them flip furniture. We have seen them throw things at people. We have seen people literally talk about, I will fucking kill you, blah, blah, blah. I'm not saying it wasn't a lot when you did it in the moment. I think because you were the only one at that level. It also kind of exacerbated you and there was a spotlight and you're walking through and you're walking from the fire pit to the back and you're fucking. That I will give you, it was, I would have done that. You were like listening on the conversation.

• 1:20:18Speaker 03

  Girl, I did that a lot in this season. Cause I'm sitting here and I'm just like, I might as well do it by myself because I don't know who the fuck's going to tell on me in here. So I'm sitting here, I'm just like.

• 1:20:27Speaker 03

  Cause mind you, I'm hard of hearing. So I'm like, trying to listen in and see if I can hear it. I'm, I'm like, I hope I'm getting this right.

• 1:20:49Alex Cooper?

  Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Ross. Fall is about finding pieces you love, making them your own and creating looks and spaces just right for the season. Whether you're updating a small apartment or a spacious home, drawn to timeless neutrals, or bold seasonal touches, Ross makes it easy to imagine what's next and bring your fall vision to life. Ross makes fashion accessible to all with up to 20 to 60% off other retailers' prices on the brands you love. Find your nearest Ross at rossstores.com. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by SoFi, the everything app for smarter money. If your money is scattered across five different apps you never open, you're not in control. Your money should move you forward.

• 1:21:34Alex Cooper?

  With SoFi, you get award-winning banking, investing, borrowing, and more all-in-one app, so you finally know where your money is. Make your first move with SoFi Checking and Savings. Competitive APY, no account fees, a bonus when you join with eligible direct deposit. Terms apply. SoFi Bank, N A Member FDIC. When you're ready to invest or pay off that debt, everything you need is right there. As a SoFi member, you get access to SoFi Wealth's world-class financial planners to help you know what to do next. Get started today at sofi.com/callherdaddy. SoFi, get your money right. This is a paid advertisement by SoFi Technologies and is not intended to be financial advice. There's obviously a lot of focus on you and like, but obviously there were two people

• 1:22:18Alex Cooper?

  in this dynamic. Do you think Jeremiah has taken any accountability for what he caused within this relationship?

• 1:22:26Speaker 03

  Not that I've seen. I haven't seen really much. Every time someone says something, I feel like he's always like...

• 1:22:33Speaker 03

  Anytime like I saw that interview with Kai Sanaa and Kai was saying that I was uh crazy or something and then Jeremiah's in there like hmm hmm like do I think anyone should be getting hate? No. I'm gonna say it like it is and say exactly what happened and be honest. Um, what another person, what another individual does is beyond me. But I'm not gonna sit here and laugh and be like if someone's hating on him, I'm gonna be like haha. Like, I'm not doing that.

• 1:23:02Alex Cooper?

  Do you think you're being held to the same standard as Jeremiah in the accountability around the toxicity of this relationship?

• 1:23:10Speaker 03

  What I will say is he got out of the villa before I did. He had a chance to write his own name before I did. He got a pretty face. Like, he's sitting here and he's just like, I'm so charming and I'm like, uh huh. And it's just like, okay, cool. Um, you are painting your own narrative, that's fine. You're saying whatever you wanna say, that's fine. Um, but I'm gonna say how it really fucking is. I'm gonna say exactly what the fuck happened and exactly what I was feeling because as of until today, no one truly knows what the fuck I was feeling.

• 1:23:40Speaker 03

  And no one knows what was going on. There's not, not everything was shown.

• 1:23:43Alex Cooper?

  Let's close the chapter on Jeremiah. Give me your synopsis, what the fuck happened, what do you think it was, now that you look back?

• 1:23:50Speaker 03

  I think that personally, from what I was feeling, now I won't know, but from what I was feeling, I felt like everything was great, got intimate, things started changing a little bit, Tormo was a mom, things started changing a lot a bit, like a lot of things, kind of like people were getting in his ear, things were changing even more.

• 1:24:10Speaker 03

  A lot of those things happened. I was getting more needy because I was scared that he was feeling indifferent. He has every right to feel indifferent, even if he felt indifferent about me, that's fine. But like, talk to me about it and you're telling me every second that we're fine, you're good, you're fine, we're good, we're good. And then your actions are showing otherwise, it's like, okay.

• 1:24:31Speaker 03

  I'm going to be upset about that. I'm not gonna be like, that's fine. Like, especially if we're supposed to be working on our relationship.

• 1:24:41Alex Cooper?

  Do you think you were love bombed?

• 1:24:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:45Speaker 03

  Plain, simple. I think I was. In all complete honesty. I know that he feels indifferent. I don't think he fully understands the capacity of love bombing. He thinks that love bombing is just gifts and shit. I'm pretty sure. I think that's what I heard. Um, I'm just like, that's not it. That's not all of it. Looking at me all the time and being like, I lo- I'm just kidding. And mind you, at the beginning of the season, take, take, take it from me. Around all my friends, I'm around my daughter 24/7, I'm always saying, "Okay, love you, bye. Love you, love you, love you, bye." Cause I say I love you to everybody. Life's too short. You know? Life is too short to not say I love you. And I forgot, like, I hadn't been dating like that at all. Like, it had been since, like, what? Like, October or something? Like, I, I literally was not in the dating world at all.

• 1:25:28Speaker 03

  I'm so used to saying, "Okay, I love you, bye. Love you, bye." Even when any of, like, the people and staff and whatever were, like, doing things with me beforehand, like, in the hotel and whatever. Like, people, I would always say, "Okay, love you, bye. Love you, bye." I was the type of person, I am a very lovey-dovey person. And I had to catch myself a few times because I was, I kept saying, "Okay, love you, bye," like, saying it to Jeremiah.

• 1:25:47Alex Cooper?

  I remember that moment. There was, like, one moment where he saw you say, like, "Love you, bye," and you're like, "Oh, wait, no."

• 1:25:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think I did it a couple of times. Like, I, I was, and I had to train myself, like, "Ooh, don't do that," because I didn't mean to. It was not intentional. Um, but he would look at me and be like, "I lo-" Just kidding, I like you. Like, he would do that to me a lot.

• 1:26:06Speaker 03

  I don't know if any of that was shown, but he would do it so much. Especially in bed. Like, he would do that all-

• 1:26:11Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, we never saw that in bed.

• 1:26:12Speaker 03

  All the time. All the time. How could you not fall for somebody? How could you not feel like, do you know what I'm saying? And it's like, when he's saying love bombing is gifts and whatever, from what I was hearing on social media. I don't know if he said more, but that's what I heard. And, yeah, it's just like, and I seen him doing those things, just like, okay, love bombing is not just gifts and shit. It's a lot more to it than that. Being super physical with me all the time. Lovey-dovey really fast. Right away kissing a girl on the cheek. Like, those things, like, it's just like, okay.

• 1:26:46Alex Cooper?

  How did you feel when he got kicked off the island?

• 1:26:49Speaker 03

  I cried.

• 1:26:51Speaker 03

  I hate seeing people upset. I hate it. I'm a big empath. Like, my friend's crying over something, I'm usually crying with her, like, a lot of times, especially if I relate. And, you know, like, I have serious concern for a lot of people's feelings. And when he got dumped from the island, I was like, like, damn, like, I, it's not, that's not what I wanted. It's not like I'm sitting here, I'm like, fuck yeah, he got dumped off the island, like, I'm sitting here, I'm like, damn. Even though he was doing exactly what he was doing to me, to Adriana, like, he did the exact, like, literally verbatim, like, the exact same fucking thing, like, every single thing. Down to the chill days.

• 1:27:34Speaker 03

  The whole little, from across the room, the little, from across the room, me and Taylor clocking this shit from across, we're just looking at each other like...

• 1:27:41Alex Cooper?

  Is this really fucking happening again?

• 1:27:44Speaker 03

  Exactly to the, it's like he reads a textbook.

• 1:27:48Alex Cooper?

  Was that hard for you to watch?

• 1:27:50Speaker 03

  Yes, oh my god, I had to sit there and I'm just looking at them doing it from afar, I'm like, ugh, and that's when I started getting ick. I was like, you're, what is wrong with you? I'm like, like, you're sitting here and you're just like, from across the room with the same, the same exact things he would do with me. And it's just like, okay.

• 1:28:10Speaker 03

  Now I get it. He is a love bomber. But I made sure not to speak to them about each other. I never did, I wanted them to have their own ideas of each other and create their own...

• 1:28:23Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so I think we can close the Jeremiah chapter.

• 1:28:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, that man does not deserve to have his name in my mouth.

• 1:28:28Alex Cooper?

  We're done.

• 1:28:29Speaker 03

  Amen.

• 1:28:29Alex Cooper?

  Let's talk about Casa Amor, bitch.

• 1:28:32Speaker 03

  Casa Amor.

• 1:28:33Alex Cooper?

  Tonight!

• 1:28:34Speaker 03

  Tonight, oh my god, he was saying my name, Huda.

• 1:28:39Speaker 03

  Huda and Chris. I'm like, okay.

• 1:28:42Alex Cooper?

  You're like, say it again.

• 1:28:43Speaker 03

  That's my name.

• 1:28:44Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, going into Casa, did it feel like a fresh start? Like, what were you looking forward to?

• 1:28:50Speaker 03

  I was hype as fuck, the whole time I was sitting in the freaking villa, I was like, damn. When is my man gonna come in here, like, when is this gonna fucking happen? I'm sitting here having me time, 24 fucking 7. Like, I know TJ don't want my ass, like... Bitch, I knew exactly who we wanted. Like, I'm doing my best here. I'm like, trying my best. Thank you for the, like, the, the practice.

• 1:29:10Alex Cooper?

  You took it like a champ.

• 1:29:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was like, options are coming. I'm fine. Like, it's not the end of the world. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm not your cup of tea, that's fine. Like, it's okay.

• 1:29:16Alex Cooper?

  So, were you nervous at all? Because I know the Casa Boys maybe got to see, like, a couple clips, or whatever the amount was that they got to watch of the actual season. Were you nervous of how they were gonna perceive you because of your situation with Jeremiah?

• 1:29:29Speaker 03

  Hell, yeah. I was sitting here, I was just like, okay, great. So, they're all gonna think I'm crazy. Um... Fabulous. I'm walking in here, I'm just like, and I'm even like, I'm thinking in my brain, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna sit here, going into this, happy as fuck, and I know that these guys watch everything.

• 1:29:50Speaker 03

  Is this gonna fuck up every... Like, I'm like, damn it. The beginning, the guys are being buddy-buddy, can't explore. I fucked up my, my thing in the beginning by being too close up? Can't explore. This dude doesn't want me? Can't explore him. Going into Casa Amor? Think I'm gonna crash out. Great. Girl...

• 1:30:09Alex Cooper?

  You could only go up from there.

• 1:30:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:11Alex Cooper?

  That's a positive way to...

• 1:30:12Speaker 03

  And I think it surprised a lot of the Casa Boys. Like, I really did. The number one thing they all kept telling me was like, "Huda, you're cool as fuck." They're like, "You're actually really fucking cool." I'm like, "What are they doing?" Like, what, like, like, "Why do y'all all think I'm, like, terrible?"

• 1:30:26Alex Cooper?

  Going into Casa, I mean, people talked about how they really respected you because you tried to literally explore with everyone. And I think a lot of people respected that.

• 1:30:34Speaker 03

  I'm... Thank God.

• 1:30:36Alex Cooper?

  You connect with Chris, but so did Shelly. What was your understanding of how she felt about him?

• 1:30:43Speaker 03

  So, so from the beginning, when I first saw him, and we were sitting next to each other at the fireplace, at the fire pit, I was always making side jokes. I don't know if any of these are showing on camera, but like, I was always making little side jokes. He would laugh at everything I said. And humor is so big to me in relationships. Like, I'm goofy as fuck, and I need a goofy person. I was a fucking theater kid. Like, I'm very goofy, very weird. Like, we love that. So... I'm sitting there, I'm making like, little jokes, and I have a lot of sarcasm. Like, I do a lot of sarcasm. I roast the fuck out of people.

• 1:31:16Speaker 03

  I have a guy best friend and a girl best friend, like, and we're all the same way. It's like, it's just my sense of humor. Some people, they're very sensitive and they can't take that type of humor. And that's okay. Like, it's something in the world. I just won't make those jokes with you, that's fine. But like, you know, I'm sitting here and I'm just having these jokes, doing sarcastic comments, and he is eating the shit up. And I'm like, "Hell yeah, you think I'm funny?" Like, fuck yeah. Because in the villa, no one gave a shit about nothing I would say. I say something, it's...

• 1:31:47Speaker 03

  I'm just like, "Okay, great." And I'm in the, I'm in this Casa Amor. "Oh, we love her, she's great." I'm like, "Yes, like, you guys like me." I was like, "Thank God." I was so isolated. I was like, "You think I'm funny?" Like...

• 1:32:02Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so you, you though knew that Shelley kind of was interested?

• 1:32:07Speaker 03

  So I knew she was interested in him.

• 1:32:08Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:32:09Speaker 03

  Um, obviously she picked him for the kiss. When I didn't pick him for the kiss, it literally wasn't a, "I'm not interested in you." I literally said, and Bicha, I don't know if they were showing, but I said to Bicha how, "I don't know who I want," which is true, because I want to get to know you. Learning from my mistakes. I want to get to know them. That's what I was doing. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, of course I don't know who I want. I, J-D picked me, I didn't pick JD. That was not my decision, at all.

• 1:32:38Alex Cooper?

  So can you clarify, did you bring Chris back to the villa for you, for Shelley, or for both of you?

• 1:32:46Speaker 03

  For both of us. I've literally said this so many times.

• 1:32:50Alex Cooper?

  Explain it again, because people still don't get it.

• 1:32:53Speaker 03

  I've said it so many times. I literally said, I'm sitting there in the dressing room with her. I have this great idea.

• 1:33:03Speaker 03

  Chris likes me, I like Chris, Chris likes you, you like Chris. I haven't found a match in here. I haven't even explored him because I'm thinking, he don't want nobody else. Because you're making it seem that way. But I took a chance last minute. I took, so crazy how cards play out. So crazy. Take a fucking chance. And I go and I bring him for a chat. We have a conversation. Goes well. He likes me. I like him. Cool. Great. We're interested in getting to know each other.

• 1:33:32Speaker 03

  I can get to know somebody. Cool. First time in a minute. Great. So I was like, okay, I have this great idea. Let's do this.

• 1:33:41Speaker 03

  I'll bring Chris back. You with Ace. That way you can still explore Chris and I can explore Chris as well. And you can still explore Ace. Like it's a, it's a happy, I'm sitting here being like, we're gonna be great. Like this is great. Like we're happy as fuck.

• 1:33:56Alex Cooper?

  That all made sense to me. So then like-

• 1:33:57Speaker 03

  And I don't want to be territorial anymore. That's the other thing. Like I'm trying to completely change. Like I'm trying to be a better person, not just like as myself, but in relationships. I'm trying to be better.

• 1:34:08Alex Cooper?

  So what the fuck do you think got lost in translation between you and Shelley?

• 1:34:13Speaker 03

  Beats me. Like, I'm sitting here and this is the thing. Like I felt like everyone kept talking about me and no one was talking to me. No one was asking me, so what is X, Y, Z, 1, 2, 3? Like what did you say specifically? What this and this and this? And I think there's like little relationships and then a lot stronger than me and other ones. And no one gave a fuck about my opinion. I would try to talk about things in a lot of scenarios where there's a lot of situations where I would be like, hey, can I talk to this about you? Or do you think this? And people would dismiss me multiple times in the villa. I felt like I had no one. Like I, I was, I wanted to talk about things with people and no one would give a fuck.

• 1:34:54Speaker 03

  And I think that a lot of people were just talking to Shelley and there was things that were said that weren't said. And it's just like, you're dragging shit and you're making things seem otherwise. And that fucks me up. Now everyone is yanking up on my ass. And all you could have done is had a conversation with me.

• 1:35:15Alex Cooper?

  Okay. When you, there were so many conversations about like, who's being a girl's girl. Can you, from your perspective, explain to me, how do you balance friendship while competitively trying to pursue love?

• 1:35:31Speaker 03

  I think that in the villa, people would always tell me, even when I was with Jeremiah, they're like, everyone's here to explore. Everyone's gonna explore. You're not closed off. Everyone's gonna explore. Things are, you know- You can't take shit too seriously, blah, blah, blah. No one owns anybody. So I'm taking all of these things that people are telling me to try to learn this process and kind of like do it better. And I'm carrying that with me. And in that, that being said, I'm getting shit on for it. And everyone had their opinions on us too. This is fake. They don't really like each other. Cause in the, in Casa in general, like I really kept a lot of things to myself just from me being so expressive about Jeremiah in the beginning and how that played out for me. It's like, I don't want to tell everybody everything. Like, I don't.

• 1:36:16Alex Cooper?

  Okay, I have to ask, this is a little bit of a pivot, but the moment with Amaya in the standing on business challenge. Why did you not speak up for her?

• 1:36:27Speaker 03

  I wanted to speak up in that moment. I think I was trying to and then everyone kept talking over me. And it was a thing where like if I yelled, they'd be like, be quiet, da, da, da. And I'm just like.

• 1:36:38Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, well, that was fucking rough. Um, okay. You better be fucking honest with me right now.

• 1:36:44Speaker 03

  Come on.

• 1:36:44Alex Cooper?

  What really happened between you and Ace in this god damn heart rate challenge?

• 1:36:52Speaker 03

  Oh, why is everyone thinking I went too far?

• 1:36:54Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 1:36:54Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. So you know, you know, when I was doing the, it was like the dominant versus submissive challenge?

• 1:36:59Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 1:36:59Speaker 03

  Where like I kind of just go like, like to everybody? So, well, not to everybody, to Jeremiah. I did the same thing to all the guys.

• 1:37:06Alex Cooper?

  Wait, okay, slow down.

• 1:37:07Speaker 03

  From like, from like dick up. Like I went like.

• 1:37:10Alex Cooper?

  Okay, wait. There is a, there's a clip.

• 1:37:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:37:13Alex Cooper?

  Of your gorgeous bodacious ass, turning from you forward facing to you doing a little spin around, ass near face, and then it cuts. And then we see you guys like getting up. And the theory online is that you, you put your ass in his face. Is that true? Why are you looking at me like that?

• 1:37:36Speaker 03

  This is so funny. I'm just like, that is not happening.

• 1:37:39Alex Cooper?

  Like, did you ride his face a little bit with that ass? Were those ass cheeks a little round his?

• 1:37:44Speaker 03

  No, I think that's too far. Like, that's a no go. My butt, I think, was like on his stomach area, like this area right here.

• 1:37:51Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:37:51Speaker 03

  And I was twerking. And I got, it was like two seconds too. I literally went, I went da, da, da, and I got up. I'm so dead ass.

• 1:37:58Alex Cooper?

  So there were no cheeks suffocating?

• 1:38:00Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:38:01Alex Cooper?

  Facial?

• 1:38:01Speaker 03

  The only thing that ever happened was when I accidentally fell on Taylor in that fucking woodchuck wood challenge shit. Like, that is the only time.

• 1:38:09Alex Cooper?

  Taylor was like, I fucking love my life right now.

• 1:38:12Speaker 03

  My ass flew back. I was like, fuck. I literally said, I'm so sorry. I get up. I'm looking at Jeremiah like, fuck. Like, I fucked up. I did not mean to do that. No, I did not put my ass in on whatever the fuck Ace's face. That did not happen.

• 1:38:30Alex Cooper?

  Okay, more importantly, where the fuck did you learn how to shake your ass like that?

• 1:38:34Speaker 03

  Girl, I learned. Even when I had like no booty, I learned. My friends taught me. Girl, I would be there in the mirror just practicing. I would take little videos of myself trying. I remember when I started to get a little booty from working out, I remember I would literally be like, be like, oh my God, it's moving.

• 1:38:50Alex Cooper?

  Oh my God, it's jiggling.

• 1:38:51Speaker 03

  Like, it's, it's moving, like.

• 1:38:52Alex Cooper?

  Progress. Girl, that is a fucking skill.

• 1:38:56Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:38:58Alex Cooper?

  Okay, we gotta talk about Chris. Now let's get like a little bit more into the weeds here because motherfucking shit, this shit went south. Viewers were excited for you to have a connection in the villa?

• 1:39:09Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:39:10Alex Cooper?

  And you guys get back and we do quickly kind of see issues start to arise. A big issue in you and Chris's relationship was that he felt like you were touchy privately, but not publicly. Why? And I know you said it was because of Jeremiah, but like, can you really describe why you did not want to do PDA with him?

• 1:39:30Speaker 03

  Um, okay. So like in my brain, it's like, okay, undercovers, private. In a separate room, private.

• 1:39:41Speaker 03

  I don't really, and mind you, I was doing it with Jeremiah, but like until I see it in my face, like for example, like, like in Iris and Pepper would do it all the time to piss me off, like just to be funny. They'd be like, Huda, look away. And then they'd be kissing and then I'd look over and I'm like, oh my God, like I don't want to see that shit. I don't want to do that. Also, the entire time with Jeremiah, everyone has their opinions on our relationship because we're so touchy in front of everybody. It's like, Maybe I don't want people to have their opinions and talk about us and whatever like I just want to keep that to us. Is that a crime?

• 1:40:14Alex Cooper?

  I mean, I got it. I think I couldn't get why he kept fucking lingering and like really couldn't get over it.

• 1:40:21Speaker 03

  There's reasons why I wouldn't either too.

• 1:40:23Alex Cooper?

  Why?

• 1:40:24Speaker 03

  There were so many things that he was doing that were not shown at all and I think that like all of those things played into me not wanting to kiss him sometimes.

• 1:40:33Alex Cooper?

  Like can you just give an example of like what you were experiencing that was playing into you not wanting to kiss him?

• 1:40:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, so he had a wandering eye. He was definitely looking at other girls, even if it was off camera would say things about other girls. And it's like, why are you talking about a girl like that in front of me? And he would have little cute nicknames for girls. And he would say shut up. He would, a lot too.

• 1:41:02Alex Cooper?

  He told you to shut up so many times where I was like,

• 1:41:08Alex Cooper?

  this isn't like joking anymore?

• 1:41:09Speaker 03

  Do not talk to me that way.

• 1:41:10Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, he always was saying that to you.

• 1:41:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, and a lot of times like and I think that people were saying that I was being rude in certain ways. There's sometimes, am I joking way of talking sometimes like when I'm just like, Robby so for real. Like and I talk like that and it sounds like I'm being really mean, but when you know my humor like that's how I talk. Um, I can't remember, there's like one specific moment I had seen a clip of me talking. I was like, damn, I can see how that sounds mean. It was in a joking manner, but I can see how that sounds to me. And that's happened a lot too. I mean, the people don't understand my humor, but there was a lot of things that played into me not wanting to kiss him because I'm like, you're not doing the things I'm asking you to do, so why would I kiss you in front of other people?

• 1:41:48Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 1:41:48Speaker 03

  Girl, he would never talk to me during the day, but he would talk to every single girl. He would, I would walk in the mornings and I would get all cute. And like, I remember there was one specific moment, I was in a green bikini and like some white shorts and I felt so cute that day. And I walked down the stairs, he is not looking at me even, but he's having a full conversation with Shelley. Like, doesn't even- This is full. And, and this would happen with multiple girls in the middle. He would do this. And it's just like, damn, say good morning. And everyone's like, why didn't you say good morning? Because it's like, this has been happening for a while since I noticed he started having a wandering eye. And that's when I was like, okay. I'm not about to start. Trying to get his attention. I'm not about to do what I did before and like be needy. I'm not doing that.

• 1:42:34Speaker 03

  Like.

• 1:42:36Alex Cooper?

  It seemed like Chris. It was like randomly, just kind of like told. Everyone. That you guys had sex without talking to you.

• 1:42:46Speaker 03

  Girl, he didn't fully do anything. That's the other part.

• 1:42:49Alex Cooper?

  Oh, really?

• 1:42:49Speaker 03

  Girl, it was like halfway. It wasn't even all the, like he, we didn't, like, that's the other thing.

• 1:42:54Alex Cooper?

  You're like, it was like this.

• 1:42:56Speaker 03

  Like, it wasn't even the full shebang, like. I'm just like, you're over here like, yeah, we had sex and we did this and I fucked this girl. She's so fine. Blah, blah, blah. Shut up. Like, you barely put that shit in. Don't even. And it's not because I couldn't take it. That's for fucking sure. Like, bitch, shut up. I feel like, that shit irritated the fuck out of me.

• 1:43:18Alex Cooper?

  But did you two even have a conversation that you were like chill with him even saying that shit or was he just going around and saying that shit?

• 1:43:24Speaker 03

  Girl, he knows how I feel about me, about people sharing business of mine.

• 1:43:30Alex Cooper?

  I think we all do.

• 1:43:32Speaker 03

  Amen, sister. Like.

• 1:43:38Alex Cooper?

  I, I learned that today. You're like, shut up.

• 1:43:41Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:43:42Alex Cooper?

  Between us.

• 1:43:43Speaker 03

  You want to know what's funny? In bed, I literally said. Keep this between us. You talking about telling somebody? You talking about telling somebody? I'm like, okay, like, okay, I know he's not gonna tell anybody. Then he goes and does it. You told me you weren't gonna do, and I don't think that was shown on camera. But he, in, a lot of the conversations in bed were never shown. But that's when everybody starts getting lovey dovey and talking real, a lot. So, just an FYI. But, yeah, in bed, he told me he wouldn't.

• 1:44:07Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:44:08Speaker 03

  I'm just like, be for real, brother.

• 1:44:10Alex Cooper?

  Go back and play basketball.

• 1:44:12Speaker 03

  Please, if you were good.

• 1:44:13Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, exactly. Thank you.

• 1:44:16Speaker 03

  I'm just kidding.

• 1:44:17Alex Cooper?

  No, it's fine. You're so good.

• 1:44:18Speaker 03

  I still don't know. I haven't watched anything.

• 1:44:19Alex Cooper?

  Can you explain to me this pillow fight situation?

• 1:44:22Speaker 03

  So I had a nose job.

• 1:44:23Alex Cooper?

  Yep, looks great, by the way.

• 1:44:25Speaker 03

  Thanks, man. Um, I had a nose job, uh, like a few months ago. He threw this pillow, mind you, it might have not been on purpose. I don't, like, I don't think it was on purpose. But even I kept saying, I was like, bro, you picked the hardest pillow and threw it at my face. You saw the way you threw that shit?

• 1:44:41Alex Cooper?

  Girl.

• 1:44:42Speaker 03

  You're six eight, your hands are the size of my face, and you chuck a pillow at my face?

• 1:44:48Alex Cooper?

  Girl, it like-

• 1:44:48Speaker 03

  Do you process things in your brain?

• 1:44:53Speaker 03

  I'm just like-

• 1:44:54Alex Cooper?

  You got whacked. You got whacked.

• 1:44:56Speaker 03

  Girl, and I'm sitting here and they're like, she's so dramatic, it's like she got shot.

• 1:45:01Speaker 03

  Get the fuck out of my face. That shit hurts so bad. I couldn't even touch my nose like, like, like lightly like this without it being in so much pain.

• 1:45:09Alex Cooper?

  Did he apologize?

• 1:45:11Speaker 03

  He goes, "Sorry," cuddles his pillow.

• 1:45:15Alex Cooper?

  Let's quickly talk about the peaks and the pits. It was so fucking sad. You're all sitting at this goddamn dinner. Everyone's like, "Let's talk about our peaks." You get to Chris, the motherfucker's like, "My two peaks are playing basketball with the boys and seeing my fucking family." And you're sitting directly across from him and he doesn't mention you at all.

• 1:45:31Speaker 03

  When I tell you I clock everything? And these are all things that put in the back of my mind. You're like, "He won't kiss me, momma." Bitch, be so for real.

• 1:45:37Alex Cooper?

  How did that make you feel when he wouldn't even mention you?

• 1:45:41Speaker 03

  I sat there and I'm just like, I think there was so many things that were showing me that this man did not like me in that way, or like was losing feelings in some way. And it's like, okay, it felt like the more I would talk about what I needed, the, the more he would pull back and like act like he was so nonchalant and fuck. And it's like, okay, great. That's fine, but I'm not gonna yell at you about it. I'm gonna sit here, I'm just gonna put it in the back of my mind and carry on.

• 1:46:06Alex Cooper?

  Okay, wait, the snuggling moment though.

• 1:46:08Speaker 03

  Which one?

• 1:46:08Alex Cooper?

  You wake this man up in the dead of sleep and-

• 1:46:12Speaker 03

  Oh, girl, he was not asleep. This man was not asleep. He purposely rolled over and was just standing there like this, stiff as a board. Like, standing there like this, and I'm like, "Hey, hey, he's not listening," so I'm like-

• 1:46:26Speaker 03

  To his lip, I'm like, brother, I know you're awake. And he's just like, acting like he's asleep. He just rolled over. Like, he's sitting there, acting like he's dead asleep. And I'm like, dude, why the fuck are you ignoring me, bro?

• 1:46:38Alex Cooper?

  And you're like, if you don't cuddle me, I'm gonna be mad at you tomorrow.

• 1:46:41Speaker 03

  Because I was so over it, because I brought it up so many times. And you just smacked me in the fucking face. I got fucking tape on my nose, looking like the fucking Notre Dame or whatever the fuck, like, over here. Um, and you, brother, you're sitting here and you're just like, oh.

• 1:46:56Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I'm gonna count to three.

• 1:46:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, because I'm trying everything. I tried everything. I got down to, okay, you want me to treat you like a child? Yeah, I'm gonna sit here, bitch. Was that the correct thing to do? No, I should have just left it and just left it alone. But you keep telling me that you're gonna fix this and fix that and do this and do that. And it's like, you're not doing it. And it's getting to that point where I'm like, brother, this is so irritating to me, because it's every single night. You know when, like, they say, like, the guys will give you 100%, and then they'll take away 20, give you another 10, take away 20? Kind of like, to me, that's how it was feeling.

• 1:47:32Alex Cooper?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:47:33Speaker 03

  And I'm trying my best to be on my best behavior. And I'm just like, I'm trying to be a better person. Like, I am trying. Like, if you say I'm not, bitch, look at the first, like, like, I'm, I'm trying. So, like, was it correct for me to count down? But, girl, I went down to my last option.

• 1:47:51Alex Cooper?

  Um, Chris's ex, alleged ex, posted on TikTok that he has a track record of being cold and passive aggressive. Can you confirm from your experience with him?

• 1:48:00Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:48:01Alex Cooper?

  Um, take me to the motherfucking-

• 1:48:02Speaker 03

  That was so easy. I'm sorry.

• 1:48:03Alex Cooper?

  You're like, yes. And, and what else? Oh, yes.

• 1:48:06Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:48:06Alex Cooper?

  Um, the water moment. This has gone viral, obviously. You and Chris are having this final dinner, and you're sitting there together, and you're breaking up, and-

• 1:48:16Speaker 03

  Oh, that was so funny.

• 1:48:17Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my god, hooda.

• 1:48:18Speaker 03

  And when I watched that, I died laughing, because I know exactly what happened in that moment.

• 1:48:23Alex Cooper?

  Okay, what?

• 1:48:23Speaker 03

  So, it's just so funny.

• 1:48:27Speaker 03

  He, um, because it made him look like he was doing his big one. What I had done when he walked up to me, like, after, like, he had walked away initially, I told him, and I was just like, hey, like- Are you gonna carry me or like should I walk? Cause mind you, there's like rocks in the water and it's like murky and there's like maybe dirty things in there like I don't know glass. I have no idea. I don't wanna walk in that water for it. And so I'm like telling him like, I'm like, okay, like, do you, do you wanna like carry me or am I gonna walk? And he's just like, I'm not gonna carry you. And I said, okay, then I'll walk my fucking self. Why are you here?

• 1:49:01Speaker 03

  And then he walked away.

• 1:49:04Alex Cooper?

  And in the moment, so you guys had broken up and I was curious, cause I feel like every girl I hope can see through that. He was kinda be like, I don't care. What do you wanna do? And I personally felt like it was such a cop out where it was like, he wanted you to be the one to end it.

• 1:49:20Speaker 03

  He wanted to play victim.

• 1:49:21Alex Cooper?

  You can take the blame and he's the victim.

• 1:49:22Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:49:23Alex Cooper?

  And did you feel it in that moment?

• 1:49:25Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:49:26Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, that was tough to watch.

• 1:49:27Speaker 03

  I'm sitting here and I'm trying not to argue. Like I'm trying my best, like to just have a civil conversation. I was told so many times, this is the most mature conversation I've ever had. Like I'm sitting here and I'm just like, okay, great.

• 1:49:39Speaker 03

  You're putting all of this into my hands and you're like, no, I want things to work with you. Like I want it to work out and you're doing everything you possibly can do to make me think otherwise. And you're putting it all on me. So pick your decision. So what are you gonna do? And I'm just like, okay, um.

• 1:49:54Alex Cooper?

  Well.

• 1:49:55Speaker 03

  I'm just like, is this what I want? No, and I'm not settling. I'm not settling.

• 1:50:01Alex Cooper?

  Where do you guys stand today?

• 1:50:04Speaker 03

  Cordial.

• 1:50:06Alex Cooper?

  Before this comes out?

• 1:50:07Speaker 03

  I don't give a fuck.

• 1:50:08Alex Cooper?

  You'll be fine. You'll say this to his face.

• 1:50:10Speaker 03

  I'm, I've told him all, he knows every single thing I've said right now. He's heard already.

• 1:50:15Alex Cooper?

  He's posting a little on social media, acting like you guys are really fine.

• 1:50:19Speaker 03

  I wonder why.

• 1:50:20Alex Cooper?

  Me too.

• 1:50:21Speaker 03

  You know, a lot of people are. Or trying to.

• 1:50:24Alex Cooper?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:50:25Speaker 03

  Trust me, I've clocked all of this stuff.

• 1:50:26Alex Cooper?

  Do you realize you made history? Um, you and Chris made history together as the first couple to break up during the finale. Congratulations.

• 1:50:35Speaker 03

  I sat there. I sat there after it happened. I was like, has anyone ever done this before? I was like, is this like, is this like something, everyone's like,

• 1:50:45Speaker 03

  That, that goes for standing on business bitch. You can't say I'm fake, that's for fucking sure. You can't say I was going after that fucking money bitch. Like, that's all I have to say. I, I stayed real as fuck this entire fucking season.

• 1:50:58Alex Cooper?

  Even if it was messy?

• 1:50:59Speaker 03

  Even if it was messy, I'm real as shit.

• 1:51:01Alex Cooper?

  Okay, let's talk. Are there any toxic patterns that you recognized within yourself from being on Love Island? That you are gonna try to move forward and break in your future dating life?

• 1:51:13Speaker 03

  Um, yes. One, talking over other people when they're talking, I'm working on that. Um, two, I think being a little clean early on. Um, three, there's a lot, honestly. I'm working on myself bitch.

• 1:51:31Alex Cooper?

  Oh, it's good!

• 1:51:31Speaker 03

  I think like, not getting too defensive about things sometimes. Um, I always say taking accountability, like I always wanna make sure I'm taking accountability for things. Um, you tell me. I feel there's, there's a lot that I'm like-

• 1:51:47Alex Cooper?

  No, I think that's it. I think it's like, everything that you've talked about today and knowing more about your childhood, I think

• 1:51:56Alex Cooper?

  you experienced certain things that as a young girl, you should never have had to seen or experience. But, what we all now know, especially because thankfully, mental health is a larger topic, it's like, we now know that whatever your childhood was, it plays a fucking massive part into who you become and who you are. And so the fact that you are in moments, repeating patterns, whether you are getting love bombed. It's like, there is a reason you're doing that, Huda. There is a reason that you are genuinely so excited when someone is showing you love. Because look back at the beginning of this fucking episode.

• 1:52:38Alex Cooper?

  You had a parent who you trusted and they completely abused their power and their love and all the things. And you didn't feel safe ever. So if someone's making you feel safe and loved, why the fuck wouldn't you be excited to embrace that and enjoy that for even a fucking second? Even if it doesn't last long. So it's now on you to take what happened to you in your childhood and now be like, I am now a grown ass woman and I'm gonna do the fucking work. So I cannot repeat the patterns and also not let what my parents did and my childhood did define who I am as a woman. But I'm actually gonna take that shit. I'm gonna learn from that shit and I'm gonna be better from that shit. And I know what happened on Love Island was a lot for you mentally.

• 1:53:17Alex Cooper?

  But I do believe even sitting with you today and getting to know you, like, I can feel it in you, like, you don't like this shit. No one wants to be in a toxic relationship. Cause there's fucking shit in you that you still gotta work on and that's okay. Don't we fucking all?

• 1:53:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. And another thing is, I know that there's this thing going around that like, they told me I had to act right in order for me to, to stay on the show. And then I also got told that someone was like, oh, um, you know, she, they, they had to put her in psych all the time, like, but first of all, I would voluntarily go to psych on my own. I would voluntarily go on my own if I felt like I needed to have a, a conversation about something because I didn't feel like I could have conversations with the girls around me. I needed a woman to talk to. That's when I would go to psych.

• 1:54:06Speaker 03

  And when I, when I felt like there wasn't a, a time where I felt more emotional, I would go to psych. I wouldn't, I wasn't a, we're so like, you are mentally unstable. It was never that. Like, cause people knew who I was. Like, they knew the real me.

• 1:54:22Alex Cooper?

  You just totally needed to talk.

• 1:54:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, I need to have a conversation. And it's like, I know I have things to work on. Nobody's perfect.

• 1:54:29Alex Cooper?

  No, fuck no. That's why I think I'm like, a little exhausted and tired of the conversation about you online. I'm like, guys, let's fucking calm down. Like, I, I think again, what I was saying earlier is like, I watched fucking season two of UK Love Island. I was all the way back in those days watching that shit. If, if your shit was called a crash out, these motherfuckers are up for murder. Like, this shit was fucking unhinged like you've never seen. It's like, I think we have to put in perspective. What the scenario was, the environment, this is television, guess fucking what? As much as people want to deem you as this, that, or the other, you gave us the best fucking TV. And clearly, it seems like you do have good relationships with people in the villa. You aren't this big villain that the internet has made you out to be.

• 1:55:12Alex Cooper?

  I do want to just ask, though, like, how are you, though, mentally, right now?

• 1:55:16Speaker 03

  I'm fine. I will say, like, I'm really happy I met Amaya.

• 1:55:20Alex Cooper?

  She's awesome.

• 1:55:20Speaker 03

  She sees me. Like, she really does. Like, I'm truly so grateful that I met that girl. Like, she is there for me 24/7, even after this, like, she's there for me. And I'm there for her, like, that is my girl. And, bragging, um, I love her, but, ugh! Damn, I'm emotional today. You caught me at a great time.

• 1:55:43Alex Cooper?

  That'll be the thumbnail.

• 1:55:44Speaker 03

  Um, just me crying.

• 1:55:47Speaker 03

  Call her mommy. So, I-

• 1:55:50Alex Cooper?

  Period.

• 1:55:51Speaker 03

  So, I, uh, I love her, and I feel like after this whole experience, it's like, I'm just happy that I'm here. I'm happy that there's so much love. I'm happy that I'm able to not really focus on the hate. And I'm happy that I have things that are more important to me, which is my family. And those are things that I'm more focused on, rather than hate.

• 1:56:18Alex Cooper?

  Who are you closest to, aside from Amaya?

• 1:56:20Speaker 03

  Uh, probably, like, Nick and Alandria.

• 1:56:23Alex Cooper?

  I think a lot of people wanted to know, like, the amount of times Nick did vote you to go off. How have you kind of reconciled?

• 1:56:31Speaker 03

  I think that, I feel personally, I feel like he was influenced a lot in his decisions. From, from my perspective. Was that, did that happen? I don't know. I think that everybody makes mistakes. I'm all about second chances. Alandria can tell you that. She tells me all the time, like, you made me believe that people deserve second chances. I always felt like no one deserves one, and you see the goodness in people. And that's how I felt about Nick. I, I love him to death. Like, we were so close. We were such good friends. And, you know, he keeps me in check, I keep him in check, like, we're great. Um, but yeah, like, I, I do have good relations outside the villa, but, you know, a lot of people definitely are being a lot nicer.

• 1:57:15Speaker 03

  And I clock it. I do. I see these things.

• 1:57:19Alex Cooper?

  Okay, I feel like I've put you in the hot seat enough today. I get it, the internet is gonna be like, "Why didn't you ask her this? Why didn't you ask her this? Why didn't you..." Guys, there's only so much time I can have with her.

• 1:57:28Speaker 03

  Part two.

• 1:57:28Alex Cooper?

  Part two, coming soon. Call her mommy.

• 1:57:31Speaker 03

  I'll be back.

• 1:57:32Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, I'm gonna ask you some burning questions. Who was the fakest in the villa?

• 1:57:37Speaker 03

  Sierra.

• 1:57:38Alex Cooper?

  Who was the worst kisser on the show?

• 1:57:40Speaker 03

  See, this is the thing, I did say like, "Oh my god, I feel so bad." But I really don't care, because he doesn't even like me. Um, fucking Jalen swallowed my whole face.

• 1:57:50Alex Cooper?

  That'll do it.

• 1:57:51Speaker 03

  My entire face, I'm sitting there like...

• 1:57:53Alex Cooper?

  Who are you dreading seeing at the reunion the most?

• 1:57:55Speaker 03

  I don't know, I think I've seen everybody already, except for Jeremiah. I mean, I'm not really dreading, I really don't give a fuck about him. And like, at all.

• 1:58:02Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, do you guys think you'll have a conversation, or no?

• 1:58:05Speaker 03

  I already know he's gonna be like, "Haha, like, we're all friends with..." I already know, like, I already know he's gonna do that.

• 1:58:10Alex Cooper?

  Okay, last. Who is the most exciting guy that has slid into your DMs since you got home?

• 1:58:17Speaker 03

  Bitch, I can't even look at them shits. Every time I fucking refresh them hoes, they freaking, they refresh, and there's too many.

• 1:58:23Alex Cooper?

  Wait!

• 1:58:23Speaker 03

  Ever, I literally commented on someone's TikTok, someone was like, "Oh yeah, Huda left single." But I look, like, there's so many guys that are in her DMs. I said, "Are we looking at the same DMs?"

• 1:58:32Alex Cooper?

  Do you know how to organize your DMs by blue checkmarks?

• 1:58:35Speaker 03

  No!

• 1:58:35Alex Cooper?

  Bitch, I gotta teach you.

• 1:58:37Speaker 03

  Do you wanna do that now?

• 1:58:38Alex Cooper?

  Kind of!

• 1:58:38Speaker 03

  Just give me my phone. No, go. None, like, I literally haven't read anything.

• 1:58:42Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god, I am fucking dying at one of these. We need to talk about this immediately.

• 1:58:46Speaker 03

  Who? You're fucking lying.

• 1:58:48Alex Cooper?

  No, I'm not, wait.

• 1:58:48Speaker 03

  I have so much to tell you, I'm like, "Damn bitch, I just wanna lay my life on you." Because there's so much about me that nobody knows.

• 1:58:52Alex Cooper?

  Well, I was about to say, the minute the cameras go off, then we're gonna keep talking, which is so annoying, and I'm so sorry to say that, you guys, but, you know.

• 1:58:59Speaker 03

  We're about to...

• 1:59:00Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, boy!

• 1:59:00Speaker 03

  You're lying, right?

• 1:59:01Alex Cooper?

  No, literally not!

• 1:59:04Speaker 03

  We're gonna stay here forever, and be like, "Okay, so tell me."

• 1:59:06Alex Cooper?

  No, so wait, wait, what's going on? Excuse me.

• 1:59:07Speaker 03

  So what about you? I wanna hear about you!

• 1:59:09Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 1:59:09Speaker 03

  You're like, "Never."

• 1:59:10Alex Cooper?

  Bitch, it's 10 o'clock at night.

• 1:59:11Speaker 03

  You're lying.

• 1:59:12Alex Cooper?

  No, I'm not kidding.

• 1:59:14Alex Cooper?

  Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Ross. Fall is about finding pieces you love, making them your own and creating looks and spaces just right for the season. Whether you're updating a small apartment or a spacious home, drawn to timeless neutrals, or bold seasonal touches, Ross makes it easy to imagine what's next and bring your fall vision to life. Ross makes fashion accessible to all with up to 20 to 60% off other retailers' prices on the brands you love. Find your nearest Ross at rossstores.com. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by American Eagle. Holiday outfits just got way easier. American Eagle's new arrivals are basically everything you need right now.

• 1:59:58Alex Cooper?

  Super soft sweaters, lightweight layers, comfy lounge styles, heritage faves, and low-rise jeans that are very much back in the rotation. Whether you're heading to a holiday thing or just hanging with your people, there's something for every plan. Just don't wait too long, your new faves won't be around forever. You can check it all out at ae.com or just go to the store. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Stouffer's. Let me tell you something, when I am hungry and I am trying to figure out what to eat, sometimes you can just actually become so... You're angry. You're like, "I am busy, I'm hungry, I'm getting hangry, I'm getting angry, what can I eat? I need something hot and delicious and low maintenance."

• 2:00:41Alex Cooper?

  Well, introducing Stouffer's dinners are not only delicious, they're done in a flash. Serve up their classic lasagna, chicken pesto, or carbonara for two. Whatever you're craving, Stouffer's is your hot, delicious, easy meal fantasy. When the clock strikes dinner, think Stouffer's. You can see all the delicious options at stouffer's.com.