Erin Andrews: NFL Sidelines, Setbacks, & Surrogacy

Join Alex in the studio for an interview with Erin Andrews. Erin opens up about building her career in the male-dominated world of sports and the lessons she's learned along the way. She also reflects on the devastating violation of privacy she experienced, her long journey with IVF and surrogacy, and becoming a mom. Enjoy!

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  What is up, Daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy.

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  Erin Andrews, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

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  Thanks for having me.

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  You are a lead NFL sideline reporter, and you really have inspired so many women who are navigating male-dominated industries, which I guess is every single industry at this point in life. Also, I love the fact that you know more about football than any man that I know in my life, and it makes me so happy to be sitting with you today. I also can't wait to talk to you just about your career and all the things. So thank you for spending the time with me.

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  Thank you for saying all those nice things. Do you get awkward when people pay you compliments? What's your vibe? Yeah, I like, I'm already this sweating from the armpits.

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  We've got to learn to take it. That's what my therapist tells me. She's like, you have to learn how to take a compliment, but it's uncomfortable. We're gonna get through it today. Don't worry.

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  Should I lay down?

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  No, just like, let's just relax because I'm pregnant and you're you, and we're gonna have a good time.

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  Great.

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  It's September, which means NFL season is upon us.

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  It's upon us, baby.

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  How are you feeling?

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  I'm stressed. We just did, perspective, it's not like bringing your first child in your life, which, girl, get ready for the stories. I was already thinking yesterday as I was walking through Lazy Acres with this child. I was like, wait till I tell Alex what it's like walking with a kid and just being with a child, things I never anticipated. We just went through a move. We're not done with it yet. I, I didn't anticipate what kind of stress that was. I guess people have it ranked, having a baby, I don't know if marriage is up there, probably, you know, lose it, wow, let's get dark right now, losing a loved one, moving is like one of the top three, four, five stressors.

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  It's a lot.

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  Holy shit, I didn't, I didn't anticipate. Good morning, acne. How are you? And then I, oh, no, a ton of them. And then, of course, I have like football around the corner. So it's a lot all at once, but thank God it's here because it's always like Christmas, you know? It's, it is Christmas morning.

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  It feels like Christmas to you?

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  Yeah.

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  Okay, that's exciting.

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  Yeah.

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  And then I can't help but think, do your friends allow you to be in the fantasy leagues with them? Like, are you in a fantasy league?

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  No.

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  You're not?

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  No, and we have one, you know, as a group of friends, but I don't, I, first of all, I can't, I, I can't, I do care. I think I know too much, but I also am like, I wouldn't know when to get, you know, the players in and all that kind of stuff. Now, my husband's friends do pressure me for information.

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  I was gonna ask you, are they then coming to you being like, give us the tea, Erin? Like, who do you think is gonna be and what do we do?

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  Everybody deals with that in the, in sports broadcasting. They're just like, what do you know? Nothing. Cause you know what? I'm not getting fired and I'm not getting you any information and there are paper trails. So stop texting me.

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  Leave me alone.

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  Alone.

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  Okay, that's good, but maybe you tell your husband a couple of things just to give him a one up. You're like, nope.

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  I think he also knows better not to ask me because I'm just like, dude, I don't have time for this.

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  No, it's true. Okay, that's actually fair.

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  Yeah.

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  I would love if I could give my husband any insight. So that's why I'm like, oh my God, like, can't you give him something? And meanwhile, you're like, I give him nothing.

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  How hardcore is he?

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  He has a big group that he's been doing it with it for years. And Matt doesn't really care, but he won his last year.

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  Should I come over during the draft?

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  Maybe, because I feel like now Matt's like, I won last year, like now I gotta really get into this and like care more.

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  Yeah.

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  And so I think now there's a little ego involved where he's like, ooh, like, let's see if I can do it again. And I have nothing to give him. I'm like, who's that? Cause I don't know names, I know teams.

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  Sure. What's it like being married to somebody that's obsessed with it and won? What, what are Sundays like? Cause I know what Sundays are like with me.

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  I think that his dad is more obsessed. My husband's not obsessed with sports. He likes them, but he has friends that are obsessed. And it makes me actually more thankful that he's not obsessed.

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  Okay.

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  It gives me the ick when men are a little too obsessed. And I'm like, well, like, go then get on the field. And you couldn't do any of that. And then they're screaming at the television. They're like, why did you miss that? And I'm like, bro, you and your beer belly and you haven't worked out in 19 years, but you have an opinion on how he should have tackled him? Let's move forward. Um, as a sideline reporter.

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  Yeah.

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  I also am fascinated by like, you kinda gotta be in a little bit of shape here because you're not just standing there. Sometimes I see you running down the sideline with your camera crew to like, get in on an interview.

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  Yep.

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  Are you, do you have any like pre-game rituals or anything that you're doing to like mentally psych yourself up before the camera starts and game day begins?

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  Oh, hell yeah. Well, first of all, let's talk about what goes on, on the sidelines. You are so right. You just have to, I, look, you have to be, yeah, in shape because you're on your feet for, think about it, like four and a half hours, which is wild. Another thing that's difficult, you may have a fantastic outfit, but baby girl, you are wearing flats. Because if, I know, I know.

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  I know, that sucks.

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  Cause like a heel would be so cute, like a booted heel. So fantastic. Even a little heel on your boot. Because let me tell you, let me set this scene. You got a field, you've got wires, you've got cameras, you've got 300-pound men, you have benches, you have trainers, you have equip, you have trunks, you have, there is so much that you are high stepping, tiptoeing, point shoeing on. It is banana land.

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  Have you ever worn a heel?

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  I can't, I would sink.

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  Early in your career?

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  No, I just, yeah. And I'm pretty much a tomboy anyways. And I like to be comfortable on my feet. Um, I've done a pointed, I've done a pointed shoe. I feel so like fantastic and stylish. I'm like, I, give me the sneaker, give me the sneaker back. It's hard.

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  Cause totally.

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  I hate being uncomfortable. I hate being cold. I hate being hot. So I gotta be comfortable out there, but it sucks. So yeah, that's why, I mean, being in shape is a big one. Pre-game rituals, I call my dad. I know you're close with your dad.

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  Very.

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  My dad was in the news industry forever and ever and ever. I talked to him about my stories. I talked to him about what's going on with the game, kinda give him the tea, the gossip, because he doesn't have a fantasy league. And, um, eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich because it's really, I mean, I eat a hearty breakfast, like thick breakfast.

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  Oh my God, right. Cause then you're like, probably just like snack, you can't even snack that much. Interesting.

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  Yep.

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  Oh my God, you're, I, cause I wanna get to your dad because that's really cute, but I also am thinking about him like getting that call every time. That's like a very sweet father daughter thing that you have in that bond. What is one of the craziest things that has happened to you on the sidelines?

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  Craziest thing, I mean, there was an interview I did at the NFC Championship. This wasn't crazy, but it, we hadn't seen something like this happen before. It was, uh, my interview post-game with Richard Sherman, when the Seattle Seahawks were trying to make it to the Super Bowl, NFC Championship, Seattle versus San Francisco. He made a game-saving play. I interviewed about, interviewed him about the play and he just went off about the other player. It's, he was, and, and people took it like he was screaming at me. Like it was, first of all, I could kill my, like, my whole delivery with him. I was like, take me through the play. And he was like, well, I'm the best corner in the game. And don't you, and, and I had this face, Alex, where I was like this, and people took it, like he

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  was scaring me. No, I was thinking to myself, holy shit, what is my next question? Because it better be good because this is going viral. And it did. There were Halloween costumes made about it. Barack Obama talked about it in his speech. It was wild. It was one of the coolest things. But I've gotten, like, you talked about the sidelines, I've gotten almost run over by a player where I did, in fact, I ran, ran, ran. He was coming at full force and you do have to be so aware on the sidelines because it's dangerous. I remember before I, I didn't fall, holding almost onto the ground with my toes, like gripping, gripping, gripping. We went to break. They played it in slow-mo for my crew only to watch. And I laughed so hard I peed my pants.

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  That's amazing.

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  So I just did. So that was like being screamed at by a player who was so passionate and organic that had never happened before. And then peeing my pants from laughing, almost falling over with a player hitting me.

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  It's interesting hearing you say that though, because as an interviewer, in those moments where you're like, this is the last thing that I thought was going to happen. And the fact that everyone is judging, thinking you're saying, you're looking like that because you're like, oh my God, he's screaming. And meanwhile, you're like, Erin, you better think of the best follow-up right now. You have maybe 10 seconds to get it together and you're spiraling in your head just quickly, racking your brain with what is the best thing and all the training you've done to prepare for this moment and all the things that you could have prepped. He went completely rogue. And so now you have to go rogue. Like, that's such a high though, when that happens. But then you also were like, oh my God. And then afterwards, you're like, did I ask the right thing? Did I do the right thing?

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  And I ended up sounding like a crazy fan and, and, and whatever. But you're exactly right. You prep, you prep, you prep. I walk around, I almost say like with a trapper keeper or a binder of just this much of notes. I don't even use a quarter of it, you know? And the best stuff is the, is the stuff you didn't prepare for.

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  Of course, of course.

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  This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Okay, I want to get your rapid fire thoughts on a few football things.

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  Oh, boy.

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  Which team has the most intimidating fans?

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  Well, I know you're an Eagles fan.

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  Yeah.

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  They are very intimidating. They are as advertised. I will say, have you been to a game in Seattle?

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  No.

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  Wow.

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  Oh, really?

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  Wild, loud, like, oh, yeah. They bring it. They bring it. It is, it is wild loud.

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  I mean, rightfully so. Their team is amazing.

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  Yeah.

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  I, I feel like I had such a unique experience growing up with Philly being my teams because I didn't know anything else. And then I went to school in Boston. So it's like, pretty crazy to there. So I just always thought that was normal. Then I moved to LA and I was like, what's going on? What's going, why is everyone sitting? Why is everyone calm and just being kind of quiet? And I'm like, at the Dodger game and everyone's just like,

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  It's different breed, right?

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  Different energy. Who do you think are the nicest fans?

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  The nicest? Packers, Dallas. Yeah, just, yeah, Midwest, Southern. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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  That's good.

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  Have you been to a Packers game?

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  No.

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  Go in January, too. Don't, don't, come on, girl. You're from Philly. You can,

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  I can do it.

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  Those are like minus temperatures, minus 10, minus 20.

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  Oh, I lived that life in Boston. Like, I, I know, I know a couple of things of like how to prepare and the heat warmers and your feet, the whole thing.

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  Oh, yeah.

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  Um, who has the best touchdown celebration in the league?

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  Oh, gosh. Well, that's really hard to say because guys come up, they actually choreograph them. And think of them. I mean, you have guys sometimes bowling, you have guys sometimes rolling, they do like duck walks. I think they're a hoot. I love them so much when they're a whole choreographed situation. Yeah, I feel like I'm back on Dancing with the Stars. Dancing the touchdown celebration. Yeah, so good. Seven?

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  I actually love that voice. That was actually like really good.

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  Yeah, I hated it when I was being judged, but that's fine.

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  But you got through it.

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  Yeah, I got through it. Not with a lot of high scores, but that's okay.

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  You crushed. Um, what has been the best halftime performance of all time in your opinion?

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  Well, I was there when I thought Shakira was amazing. I thought Lady Gaga was amazing. But I have to be honest, Dolly Parton at the Thanksgiving game in Dallas. And I was so jealous because we weren't there for that. I'm a huge Dallas Cowboy cheerleader fan. And the fact that girls got to dance with her and the fact she came out in the DCC outfit. And now the latest news, I'm just, yeah, and royalty.

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  Royalty forever, Dolly Parton. We love you. You're always in our hearts. Like, that was, no, you're so right. Yeah, we love, love, love. Who are you dying to see perform at the Super Bowl?

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  It's a fair question. I wanted an all-country Super Bowl act. And I thought it would be cool to start from like, speaking of Dolly, like the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, have the bangers, and then have like a current country come out. I think that'd be sick.

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  No, no, no, that would be cool. Because I was there when it was like Snoop, 50 Cent, Eminem.

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  That was insane.

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  I was like, this is the most baller thing I've ever seen. Like, that was pretty amazing.

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  I went back, I was there live and I watched it and it was fantastic. But then when you watched it back on TV, because it was obviously choreographed for the people at home, it was so phenomenal. Even in the beginning, this is stupid, but I noticed things like this. Like, Dre is like, you know, messing with his IFB to turn up. I was like, this is just sick. And he's just cool. And he's playing it. It's like, it was so awesome.

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  It was, it was a really good one. Okay, let's go back. You were, you referenced your father, who I wanted to bring up because I don't, yes, I don't know if everyone knows this, but sports and reporting have been in your blood, like you referenced. Your dad was an investigative reporter and also a sports fan. When did you know that you wanted to kind of follow in his footsteps?

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  I knew pretty early because that was our way of bonding. He loved the Boston Celtics, loves, loves the Red Sox. And loved the Green Bay Packers because at the time, the Patriots weren't great. And my dad said they were always blacked out in his area. So he would watch the Green Bay Packers because they were good. And networks would hold their games. Patriots, if a team is bad, if people don't understand that, if a team is bad, it's not going to a mass audience. You know, you're going to follow the teams that are good. Like, we start with the Eagles this year. So my dad loves sports and my dad is a great storyteller. And he always would tell me stories about the players and the coaches. And I learned about Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. And

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  my dad would tell stories where I would think they were my friends. So when I would meet these people in real life, I would talk to them even now, like my friends, and embarrass the shit out of myself.

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  They're like, who are you? And you're like, we go way back.

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  You know what's really interesting? Because I had a similar experience with my dad was a sports television producer for the Flyers.

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  So cool.

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  And

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  Who were his announcers then?

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  Jim Jackson, Keith Jones, and Bill Clement.

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  Yeah.

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  And I, I remember getting to go to the television truck and running around NHL, you know, stadiums. And like, that was the normal, watching my father do this job that he loved so much. And it seems similar with your dad, where like, they had such a passion that I recognize is such a privilege, because there are also people that watch their parents grow up. And the job is the job. And they're happy when they get home because they don't love the job. Where our father's passion was their purpose and their career. How do you think your dad's career just kind of shaped the way that you recognize what was possible for yourself?

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  My dad did the six and 11 o'clock news in Tampa, Florida. We would go after the six o'clock news and meet him at the television station to pick him up and go to dinner on some nights. So like you being in the production truck, I would go run around the set, met the makeup girl, learned about the dark MAC liner with the lighter lipstick and I thought it was a vibe.

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  So being on a set, being in front of the camera wasn't a big deal for me. What was cool for me and what my dad shared with us was knowing the stories, making it personable. And that's what I love so much about the guys that I get to cover is and, and why I get so emotional covering them or if a guy goes down or if a team loses, you know how hard they worked. You know they worked their ass off. You know they're coming back from ACL surgery or injury or their wife is at home having a baby or something like that. So I think trying to just tell people at home the stories about these guys. My dad was so good at that and that's what he, you know, brought into my life. Yeah.

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  There were not a lot of other women in this industry when you started.

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  In 1935. Yeah.

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  You're like back in the.

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  Way back in the J with Laura Ingalls.

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  No, but it's, it's, it's true. Even you hear when I was referencing, you know, the announcers that worked with my dad, every single one was a man, right? Um, but that industry was very male dominated. Was it intimidating at all for you to be like, I'm a woman going to try to get into sports?

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  Yeah, I, I didn't notice because I was so pumped to just have a seat at the table. And then I remember when I got, you know, I started out in hockey, but when I got the job at ESPN, I just said yes to everything because I was, I just wanted to do everything I could. I was so excited. I wasn't married. I didn't have a life. This was my life. And yeah, I didn't really notice the fact that there weren't women because I was there and I was so focused on doing what I was doing.

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  Of course. And you're so young that I agree. Like that feeling of.

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  You're naive in a good way.

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  Yes. You're just so happy to be there and be a part of it. And like, you're not going to ask questions. You're just like, I'm happy to be here. Tell me where to go. Um, your first job was with the Tampa Bay Lightning. So you're in the NHL. You make the transition over to the MLB.

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  Yeah. I, so this is what, what a life. And you look back on stuff when you're younger and you're so naive and you don't understand what an opportunity it was and, and all that kind of stuff. I was right out of college. The Tampa Bay Lightning were the worst team in the league and they wanted a female presence, right? For their audience. And I got the gig and I didn't know shit about hockey. I didn't, hockey was new to Tampa Bay. It just was. And I, my dad took me to the fairgrounds back in the day and I would go to see Lightning games, but I was coming from Florida. I was Florida Gator football. It's all I cared about. Um, and I got the job and I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. Read Cliff Notes for Dummies, as embarrassing as that is, but I will

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  say the coach at the time, John Tortorella, he took me under his wing. He's a very, very like hard nose coach and he was that way with me. And it was so awesome to have early in my life because he taught me, ask hard questions, study your tail off and let's go. Like, don't look back. And so that was incredible. Then from there, I got a call from Turner Sports. They had the Atlanta Braves. They had MLB at the time and I was hosting a studio and I was frigging terrible. I was so, so bad. I called my dad every night and cried. I felt like I was way, you know, over my skis. Um,

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  I wasn't good. I knew I wasn't good. It was killing me and they let me go after two years and they should have. I, I wasn't, I wasn't put in the best position to succeed and I wasn't, for some reason it wasn't working for me. I knew they were letting me go and the NHL was still on ESPN and the Atlanta Thrashers had a team and I was like, I'm going to go get a job. I knew that the broadcasters, very much a broadcaster thing, after a game would go get a cocktail in a bar. Hell yeah. I knew the bar that they were at. I knew my contract was up. I knew they were letting me go. I went right to that bar after the Thrashers game that ESPN was covering and I just said, hey,

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  I'm Aaron Andrews. I need a job. Uh, my contract's up. You guys have the playoffs. Who do I talk to?

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  Look at, I mean, networking. You're like, that is a perfect.

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  And I'll take a tub, double tequila. Thank you so much. On the rocks. No, I'm kidding.

• 24:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, but like, and look where that got you.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I had a, I had a phone interview, I think a couple of days later. I did it. I crushed it. Again, I did verbal diarrhea, verbal vomit, told them everything I knew about the NHL because I just worked, you know, with the Tampa Bay Lightning. I got the gig for the playoffs. Guess who won the Stanley Cup that year?

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  Who?

• 25:06Speaker 02

  The Tampa Bay Lightning. The team I started for.

• 25:10Speaker 00

  You're like, oh my God, they were so bad when I started.

• 25:12Speaker 02

  I know what they wanted. I'm interviewing them. My parents are center ice and I signed a three-year deal with ESPN and kind of blew up from there.

• 25:19Speaker 00

  I mean, I think that's why I love talking to people about the origin days because we see you as Aaron Andrews, right? And we're like, oh my God, you are such an icon. You've done so much and you're at the top of your game. And it's almost like no one can fathom you being in a situation where you don't feel in control and you don't hold that mic and do your job as perfectly as we see you do it now. But I think it's inspiring, especially for young women watching to hear you talk about, I had no idea what I was doing. I had to make specific moves to just show up to a bar and also just like try to get the job. And sometimes you have to put yourself in positions that are really uncomfortable, get yourself out of your comfort zone. And then also half of it is

• 26:01Speaker 00

  just like winging it. Like you didn't know exactly how to do the job, but you're like, once I got the job, I just read about it and I figured it out. And I think that's such a good life lesson to anyone watching, right?

• 26:12Speaker 02

  I think now more than ever, and, and you see it in, in people that you work with, people that you hire, people that are trying to come up in the industry, work your ass off. It's just the number one thing. I don't know. Look, that's what helped me. And I know that's what impressed the people at ESPN at the time is that I was just like, hey, I'm showing up at a bar. Can I get a job? No, it's that I was, I knew where they were. I seek them out. My dad was always on me. Email them. Ask them if they're looking for anybody new. No, dad, I don't want to. I tell young girls that all the time. Send an email. Send a text. Stay on the top of their inbox. Remind them. Show

• 26:53Speaker 02

  people you want to work. That's like when I said I went to ESPN, I just said yes to everything because I was like, I'm, I'm not married. I don't have kids. I love doing this, but I didn't realize it was, you know, helping my stock. I was putting money in the bank in terms of like, oh, she can cover, you know, college basketball. She can cover college football. She can do major league baseball. She can do the spelling bee, although she can't spell. Um, just all that shit. It makes you more valuable. It shows people you want to work. That's all companies want is a hard worker and somebody that'll just be like, I'm here. I can do it. What do you need?

• 27:28Speaker 00

  Um, when I interviewed Katie Couric, we talked about how women often have to work twice as hard to get just as far. What has your experience with that been like in your career now in hindsight of where you're sitting?

• 27:44Speaker 02

  I, I agree with that, but I agree with it from a standpoint. I feel like I have to work five to six times harder because I didn't play the game I'm reporting on. So I don't know what a team is going through in the locker room when they're down 28 to three at the, in the Superbowl because I've never done it. I don't know the adjustments to make. I don't know what it's like. I don't even know when those guys go to the bathroom or how much they can eat. Like, you know, so I feel like it is very, very important for me to talk to guys, have guys feel comfortable, players, coaches, owners feel comfortable with me so they can relay that information. That's why I have to work twice as hard. Now, there was a time that, and, and I think this has everything to do

• 28:29Speaker 02

  because I care so much, because I know it is a male populated industry, because I know I feel like I'm proving myself and that's my chip on my shoulder. Or you're around these athletes, they always have a chip on their shoulder of like getting taken late in the draft or teams passing up on them. My chip on my shoulder, not that anyone's made me feel that way, is that I didn't play. I got to show people still at the age I am, I belong. I screwed up on air a couple of years ago. And I had someone pull me aside on the sidelines and say, did you say this? And I said, oh my God, I miss not misspoke. I said it wrong. Like I added a word that made it seem something else. I asked my producer if he heard it. He said, I, I don't think so.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  Texted my dad on the sideline and I said, did I say that? And he goes, I don't think so. But he goes, let me go back and watch. And he texted me and he said, you did. The chest tightness and palpitations I had, and I, I said to my producer, I need to address this. He goes, Erin, we're in the third quarter. I said, I have to. I don't want this coach to look like this. So I came back on air and apologized. I didn't sleep for two weeks and that's not because I'm a woman. That is because I care so freaking much and I don't want to piss anyone off.

• 29:45Speaker 00

  No, of course. And I think that makes me really happy to hear too, because I, I have felt like that in my career too. You go between, do you share how much work you put into it? Do you not? Sometimes people don't also want to hear how much work goes into it like. And so it's a weird thing, but I do think there's nothing better than feeling so prepared. But you're going to make mistakes and obviously it is a lot more pressure when you have mistakes where the entire nation is breathing down your throat. And you're like, I am sorry, sorry.

• 30:15Speaker 02

  And you just talked about how passionate fanbases are. So I should, as I'm sitting here having like a therapy moment with myself, say, give myself some grace. I'm not performing brain surgery, but these are these men's lives, you know?

• 30:29Speaker 00

  No, it's true.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  So I should go easier, but damn, and I do get nervous still. You, I shake before my first hit. I get 20 seconds, maybe the first hit, maybe 15. And I, you'll see me on the sidelines. I'm talking to myself and people are staring. I'm like, I'm doing it in my head over and over, and it doesn't come out that way when I do it. But, and there's thoughts when I'm looking in the camera, I sound possessed right now. I'm like, oh my God, don't mess this up. Get through this, get through this, get through this. Whose ankle am I talking about? Oh my God. Yes, I got through.

• 30:59Speaker 00

  Blacking out. Yeah.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  And then cut cameras and you're like. And I've done this for a hundred years.

• 31:04Speaker 00

  No, no, no. That's why it's like meeting you where you're at right now. That's why it's so fascinating to talk to you about it because you have hindsight and you have the perspective. But you also, it's so fascinating hearing you still be in this position and being like, oh, I still get stressed. I still get anxious because it's adrenaline and it's still.

• 31:22Speaker 02

  You nailed it. I was gonna say it's a sick high. Like it is a sick high. I don't know what it is. It's probably not good for my, you know, nervous system, but damn, it's a sick high.

• 31:32Speaker 00

  You're doing great. Fun. Um, you know what I love so much too is you, your perspective on this career is so healthy and you're so secure in yourself. And how you present is.

• 31:48Speaker 02

  I try.

• 31:49Speaker 00

  You're like, I'm showing up because I'm so confident in who I am. I've got my dad since a young age. This is my, this is my bread and butter. Like I'm going to work my ass off. And then there's the sad realities of things that then you couldn't control that happened in your life. That came with all of this publicity and, and just being a woman in this industry. Early in your career, you faced an unimaginable violation of your privacy when you had a stalker. If you are comfortable, obviously, can you just explain to the younger women, maybe who aren't as familiar, like what happened?

• 32:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think back in the day, you know, before, remember when the Apple phones were getting hacked and people's photos were up and so forth. I had this disgusting person following me around cities. It was very well publicized where college game day was going to be, where Thursday night football was going to be. And I didn't have an alias. I didn't think I was a big deal. I didn't, you know, who wants to, who cares about what name I'm checking under? And that's, as you know, the sad realities of, of what we do for a living. There's a lot of amazing things, but when you deal with security, it's, it's a different level. So I found out, I remember my contract was up. No, my contract wasn't up. I was gonna get a new agent, you know, when you go to the agent meetings.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  And Dancing with the Stars was calling and they wanted me to, things were going good. You know, I was working backstage at the ESPYS. I think Justin was hosting, like it was just fun.

• 33:23Speaker 02

  I can already remember the dress I was wearing, dear God. So I got, I came back from a bunch of meetings and I got a call from my friend who was working a blog at the time. Blogs were the big deal. And he had been calling me all day and he just said, Erin, I, I have to talk to you. And I was like, what's up? I'm getting on a red eye to go back to Atlanta. And he's like, there's naked video of you all over the internet. And I said, no, there's not, I don't do that. I, I just don't. And I didn't, you know, I, I was like, what are you talking about? This is made up. This is something that's not me. And he got really, really upset and he goes, Erin, I'm sending it to you. And I looked at it and I said, I have to go. I called my mom and dad right away. I was screaming, crying because it was me and it was me naked in a hotel room, walking around.

• 34:09Speaker 02

  And I just, outer body experience, started screaming. My dad said, when I called, he thought I was in a car accident because I was screaming so hard. And we talked about how much like, I love the job, how I liked kind of being the girl next door. And I just said to my dad, it's over. My career is over. Like no one's going to take me seriously ever again. That's all I ever wanted, right? Was people to turn on me on and just say, oh my gosh, I would love to have a beer with her and talk football with her. Would love to do a sit down interview with her. And I just thought, this is so dirty. No one's gonna ever want to work with me again, talk to me again. This is gross. This changes who I am.

• 34:50Speaker 02

  We didn't know anything at that point. Come to find out after a whole investigation, the FBI gets involved. There's a trial. There was this disgusting person following me around. And he was setting up his cell phone right up to my hotel room. He would take off the peephole in, at the door. He would ask for a room next to me and the hotel never alerted me that this was happening. So they would put this person next to me. He would wait and listen. And he could tell when I was getting into the shower because he could hear it. And he would stand there with a camera and he filmed me getting ready. And then he put it on the internet. And as you know, when something's on the internet, it doesn't come down. So it was a lot. It was a lot that I, yeah, put my family through with all of it. It was a lot legally. It was wild.

• 35:35Speaker 00

  I am so sorry.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  Oh, thank you.

• 35:39Speaker 00

  And I know it's been a long time, but I think.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  Oh, there's parts of it that's still just bleh with me, you know?

• 35:44Speaker 00

  I was gonna say, cause I can like see it in your face. It's like, it will never, when you are violated that way. Like I've sat with so many women. I just sat with a woman recently who was telling me how, you know, this person was threatening to release these photos. And it was like, you, you don't, you will never get over it because you're brought right back to that moment. And you can remember how you felt. How did you though, like handle the violation? Like if you look back,

• 36:14Speaker 00

  what did you feel within your own body and your own, like just?

• 36:17Speaker 02

  Gross, gross. Like wishing in my own hotel room, I had worn a towel. Like you're getting ready for a game. What are you talking about?

• 36:27Speaker 02

  Shame. I remember walking around stadiums. This is when I was doing college. So some stadiums have a hundred thousand people thinking, everybody in the stadium has seen me naked. And I didn't have a choice.

• 36:41Speaker 02

  Just if I would talk to people, I feel like in the back of their head, they're thinking about it. But my safe place, and I am so proud of this, was the football field, which is wild. Because you're sitting there and you're reporting to 20 million people and how is that your safe place? But it's been for a lot of stuff. I mean, the week I was diagnosed with cervical cancer and then had to have, you know, a, a pretty evasive surgery. They said, don't go on the field and stand on the field because you're not really capable physically. I was like, this is my safe space. So that's how I dealt. I threw myself right back into work. Wild conversation. The night he was arrested, I was in a hotel room by myself.

• 37:26Speaker 02

  Um, I got a call from the gentleman that, from the FBI and they said, we got him. We just got on a plane and got him. And my dad and I were like, what? And they were like, unfortunately we have to release this entire document because he's just been arrested. And it's going to come out in an hour, but we wanted to give you guys a heads up. I had a game the following day at noon. I think it was like, or probably a one o'clock kick. And my dad and I, we didn't know the specifics of where he followed me and it all was out on public record in this whole, like, you know, document. And I'm like, dad, I have to go study for the Tennessee Volunteers Auburn Tigers game right now. And my dad's like, okay, okay. You know, so it was just like, so much wild stuff with that.

• 38:08Speaker 00

  Well, it's wild too, Erin, because I feel like people, this wasn't something that was like, they weren't almost like familiar with this kind of violation. And you're right, it was starting up with the iPhone.

• 38:19Speaker 02

  Myself. And that was the biggest part.

• 38:21Speaker 00

  That's what I was going to ask you about because let's talk about the public's perception, right? Because first we, there were no laws at the time to protect women from any of this. So this was a very new concept to people.

• 38:33Speaker 02

  Kind of like now, equating it to now is like AI.

• 38:37Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 38:37Speaker 02

  There are no laws. The laws could not keep up with technology. And yeah.

• 38:43Speaker 00

  So take me back. What do you remember the public's response at first being?

• 38:50Speaker 02

  I did it to myself. The, I was on the cover of newspapers, just a still frame of the video, my naked body. And it said ESPN scandal. I, people thought I did it to myself for publicity or to, you know, help my career. Which was the exact opposite of how I was feeling. I was feeling shame. Like I would never get work again. I would never be taken seriously. And it was perceived, which is so sad.

• 39:17Speaker 00

  That's what I was going to ask, like, to be so misrepresented and, and to have, to have the truth be so far from what the public is believing. Like, how did you cope with that when you're reading people be like, she did this to advance herself?

• 39:33Speaker 02

  I left my home in Atlanta. I went to go stay with my mom and dad and I hid in my high school bedroom. I thankful at the time I wasn't on air yet. I wasn't going back until college football, but yeah, I hid. The crazy part now is just kind of seeing how the world and perception and how people aren't, you know, judged like this. If, if a crime like this had happened, it would have been a totally different situation.

• 40:00Speaker 00

  It's like every era, it's somewhat changes, but then also I'm like, oh, like kind of, but like sometimes it really is. People do not want to believe.

• 40:09Speaker 02

  No.

• 40:09Speaker 00

  And they want to believe that the woman is somehow responsible for leaking this. What about your employer at the time? Like, were they supportive? How did people that you worked with respond?

• 40:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, I feel like in any situation, whether it's been my, me being so public about infertility issues, my cervical cancer, what happened, you know, with my stalking incident, even the trial that I had after that, where I went after the hotel. Um, you find out pretty fast who's in your corner and you don't forget the people that reach out and the people that don't. You know that.

• 40:44Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 40:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  It teaches you a lot, though. It really makes you realize who, who your OGs are. And I will say this, as difficult as a topic, as those topics are, all being a woman, I have some of the best male, like friends, coworkers, bosses in my life, and I'm so grateful for that.

• 41:07Speaker 00

  No, and I, that makes me so happy because I agree. I think like in all this, these issues, you don't want to alienate the men. There are so many incredible men that actually can help you in these moments. But when these moments happen to a woman, it's like you, your entire life felt like it was crumbling from what a man did to you. You did nothing wrong.

• 41:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:28Speaker 00

  Nothing wrong. Like you said, the fact that you went through, oh, should I have worn maybe a towel in my hotel room? No.

• 41:34Speaker 02

  I know. It's crazy, though. It took me a really long time to accept that. I still need to continue therapy over it because little things will happen where like the PTSD of it comes up and you're like, holy shit, that's from all of it.

• 41:46Speaker 00

  Thank you for sharing. I just think the conversation in general, I just wanted to have and you just so eloquently put all of it of just like, we go through these things in life that you in that moment, all the way back to saying, my career's over. Look where you're sitting. You have never been more successful. You have such a fruitful business and life and family life, and you got through all of that. And I think in the moment, a lot of times, especially even we see as kids are growing up right now with the internet and things and revenge porn and whatever it is, like you really can believe that your life is over in a moment that feels so much weight and understandably, but then

• 42:27Speaker 00

  it, it will pass. It will pass. You shouldn't have had to go through that.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 42:32Speaker 00

  But the way that you got through it, like you said, you leaned on your family. You had some incredible men in the industry who were there to support you and you kept doing your fucking job and showing up.

• 42:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. And look, hotels, I have to go about things differently. Like, you know, I mean, luckily, a lot of hotels had to watch my trial and see changes need to be made in security, you know, measures. And so, yeah.

• 42:54Speaker 00

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• 44:37Speaker 00

  During that time, one of the positives is you met your now husband, former NHL player, Jarrett Stoll. Um, how did you two meet?

• 44:47Speaker 02

  Through Michael Strahan. What, I mean, can the guy do, this guy, I mean, add another job to this dude's resume. I mean, this guy, good looking, great friend, you know, so smart, so good at his job, Super Bowl champ, Hall of Famer. Yeah, he's the best. Um, I left ESPN to go work for Fox and I was working the baseball playoffs at the time. And Michael said to me, hey, there's a guy, he's a friend of mine and he wants to meet you. And I was just like, okay, well, is this, is this, would you recommend or yes or no? And he was like, I would. So, um, I said, okay, like, you know, figure it out. Well, that's

• 45:28Speaker 02

  fine. If you, if you're vetting for me, Michael Strahan, I will accept your, um, your, your, uh, suggestion. So I, you know, touched base, but I'm busy. Girl, I'm busy. I am working the playoffs and it is a good series. It is the San Francisco Giants versus the Detroit Tigers. Let's go. Like, it's good. I'm busy. So I, it is the World Series. The, he had just won the Stanley Cup and they are, I guess the NHL was locked out at the time. He told me he was going to be at the game in San Francisco and I said, cool. Well, I'll see you. Like, whatever.

• 46:05Speaker 00

  Erin, you're like, I don't care.

• 46:05Speaker 02

  We have a hell of a pitching matchup tonight, Jarrett Stoll. I could care less if you're showing up. Let's see if you can do it. And next thing I know, I am in the dugout and you know, I think the, I think I was on the Giants side and you know, here's the Giants and I'm in their dugout and I hear this guy go, Erin. I'm like, yeah. And he got down there. Um, he walked past, past security. I think athletes will tell you, any athlete knows how to get and talk their way through any sort of like sporting venue. Hockey players, they all say, dress in all black and walk in with a Starbucks and loafers. Like, or you know, their little cute shoes and all that. I don't know how he did it, but and I was like, okay.

• 46:48Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  Okay. And he was like, nice to meet you. Um, funny story about this. I had had a raging sinus infection at the time and I, it wasn't a booger. It was almost like some sort of like sore from blowing my nose was on my nose. And I was kind of like looking over at him, but I was like trying to stay like this. So it was like shielding, like the sore covered in like probably some sort of Armani foundation with a powder situation. It's like, great to see you. Great. And he's like, we're going out later if you want to go out. No, because I had like this.

• 47:21Speaker 00

  You're like, yeah, good. Thanks.

• 47:22Speaker 02

  So great, but great to meet you. Congrats on the cup. Um, yeah. And then there you go.

• 47:28Speaker 00

  Wait, and didn't you like basically turn him down though at first?

• 47:31Speaker 02

  I, I was busy. I had the World Series. I don't know. Like, you know, I, finally one night I was out and I had said, do, let's go to dinner. We went to dinner and all that.

• 47:42Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  Met up a few times. Yeah.

• 47:43Speaker 00

  Fair, fair. I feel like hockey is having such a moment right now.

• 47:47Speaker 02

  Good for them.

• 47:48Speaker 00

  I know, right? Like, it's about time.

• 47:50Speaker 02

  You know how great it is, but people that don't know, get involved.

• 47:55Speaker 00

  It, it is, growing up, it is the number one sport that was played in my household because of my father. And it's just such a good sport. But now seeing it get the praise because of all the television shows that have popped off. It is really fun, but for research purposes only.

• 48:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 48:11Speaker 00

  The girls need to know, Erin. What is it like to date a hockey player?

• 48:15Speaker 02

  They are the best. They are the best. And any NFL players, because obviously I'm around a lot of them and friends with some of them are like hockey guys are the best. They're so laid back, as you know. A comes out of my mouth all the time. Um, they are, I'll be honest, hockey players are good looking.

• 48:31Speaker 00

  They are.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  They are gorgeous.

• 48:32Speaker 00

  Great butts.

• 48:33Speaker 02

  Yes. Fantastic. Start at their shoulders, some of them, you know? Um, they're, they're just the best. They're so chill. Um, they're great guys to go to the bar with. They're great guys. They're just, they're the best.

• 48:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're like down to earth.

• 48:47Speaker 02

  Down to earth. A lot of them are farm boys. A lot of them from small, small towns. It's funny to make fun of the stories because they're all the same. My best girlfriends are all the wives that were on the Kings, um, teams while we were together and, you know, we were weeding out some of our crap in our house and not that this stuff is crap, but he was like going through the other day, sitting on the driveway and like the boxes his mom and dad had saved for him. And he's like, he pulled this thing out and it looked like a meatloaf or like a pile of bronze poop. And I was like, what's that? And he goes, it's Buffalo, babe. One of them MVP in 1996 at this Ontario, whatever. And so I took a video of it and I sent it to my girlfriends that, you know, their husbands played with mine. And I just said, you guys have this stuff at home? And they're like, yeah, we all do, you know?

• 49:32Speaker 00

  Like, you're like, oh, great. Are we supposed to put this on the mantle? Like, where am I supposed to put this thing? Oh, my God. Did he have all of his teeth when you met him?

• 49:39Speaker 02

  No, he still doesn't.

• 49:40Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 49:40Speaker 02

  No, they're fake.

• 49:41Speaker 00

  Perfect.

• 49:42Speaker 02

  Right. But I mean, my best friends' husbands like have a flipper still. Some of them, if they're still playing, the vibe is, you know what? Like, I'm gonna get him hit again, so I won't get fake teeth. That's what a lot of girls ask me. They're like, well, if I date a hockey player, are they gonna have teeth? No. And you know what? It's pretty hot.

• 49:57Speaker 00

  It is. You know what? It is. It's part of the charm.

• 50:00Speaker 02

  It's the charm. He also has, sorry babe, I'm telling all your secrets. He has this black dot right here. It's pretty good size. He's like, I feel like people think it's a black head. It's a stitch. When he got his nose like slashed by a stick, he got, you know, obviously stitched up, but one of the stitches didn't dissolve. So now it's like a purple, black, like forever mole.

• 50:22Speaker 00

  It's a badge of honor.

• 50:22Speaker 02

  Do we want to get this taken out at all?

• 50:25Speaker 00

  Have to try?

• 50:26Speaker 02

  No. If it was me, I'm like, you know, miss, like, I get in there. Yeah.

• 50:29Speaker 00

  Right. And he's just like leaving it.

• 50:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:31Speaker 00

  That's such a man thing to do. You're like, you don't want to just, he's like, no, it's fine. You're like, okay. You and your husband seem to be a really great team. You guys obviously work so much, you're traveling.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:43Speaker 00

  And then your son, Mac, you have together. Let's talk about your journey to motherhood. Because I know it was a long and challenging one.

• 50:52Speaker 02

  Still, yeah.

• 50:53Speaker 00

  Can you just share more about that process and what it was like for you?

• 50:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, I mean, when, look, I got married later on in my life. We tried to have a baby later on in my life. But I kind of knew in my, like, 35, 36, I should be freezing my eggs. Like, I don't know when I'm getting married. I don't know if this is the guy. Who knows? So I started doing that and I wasn't having, I'm sure you've heard it over and over, when you do IVF, you're like, I got seven eggs. You think it's so much. And then you're like, wait, only one of these turned into an embryo and they're not okay? What's going on? So I am on, because I'm currently still trying, which is Crazy Pants USA, but I do believe my body can do it. Um, I don't take no very well. I'm probably on my ninth to 10th round of IVF.

• 51:40Speaker 02

  Um, so I, I have a hard time. I wasn't getting eggs and then I got cervical cancer. So that was a whole other bag of tricks that came my way. And we just were having such a hard go. But once I had cervical cancer, turns out your cervix doesn't grow back. I was such an idiot. When I went to go, you know, deal with that and have multiple surgeries, I looked at my doctor, I'm like, wait, this grows back, right? And they're like, yeah, no, it doesn't. And honestly, because of my age and because I wouldn't have enough cervix to hold a baby in, very graphic, let me do a, uh, presentation about it. They said a surrogate would be the best way, especially when you've tried this hard to have, get eggs and have a baby, like you could lose these pretty easily.

• 52:25Speaker 02

  So that wasn't easy, um, to kind of swallow or take in. I remember crying to my husband one day, being like, but what am I gonna do about a baby shower if we're not even like having the baby? We're having a surrogate? He goes, we're going to Napa, we're getting drunk. Like, that's what we're doing. Like, that's your baby shower, which is kind of what we did. Shout out, Krista. She threw it. Um, so yeah, we ended up finding a surrogate. We put two in, we lost the babies. That was a huge deal. We went into that very, I think, naive as well. We thought, oh, my God, we're gonna do a surrogate. We're gonna have a baby. It's not that easy. None of this shit is easy, which is wild behavior. I need to write a book about like, it ain't easy. Just get ready.

• 53:04Speaker 00

  And it's like, and you, and people just, and it's like, you think it is until you go through it. And it's almost weird too, because I feel like you hear stories, but until it's happening, you don't really pay attention.

• 53:13Speaker 02

  At all. Right?

• 53:14Speaker 00

  You're a hundred percent right.

• 53:15Speaker 02

  It's like, I've heard about these like pregnancies or the, and, and like, you know, struggling and all this. And then it happens to you and you're like, wait, what? And like IVF and you're, you have this vision in your head. And then you're like, oh, my God, I, I think I've seen someone talk about this before, but I never listened because...

• 53:30Speaker 00

  Because I think a lot of times people weren't comfortable talking about it.

• 53:33Speaker 02

  I remember finally when I was fed up after trial number eight or whatever, and I said to my husband, I'm gonna, somebody came to me and asked me about it. And I said, I'm gonna talk about this. I'm gonna say that this is really hard and this sucks. And Jarrett, from a small town in Canada, was just like, please don't, like, I don't want to talk about it. And I did. And we got so much support. People were like, yes, we're struggling too, players. Random friends we didn't know that were struggling. So, um, once we decided to do this surrogacy route, yeah, we, it, it took a while. It was really, really hard. I'm candy coating a lot of it, but we got him and he's here. And I mean, listen, all the things that I thought were such a big deal, and they were, like, I'm having another woman carry my baby. How am I gonna explain it to him?

• 54:17Speaker 02

  I don't care. He's here now and he's amazing. The delivery room, oh, my gosh, what's that gonna be like? It doesn't matter. It was great. I mean, there were wild stories about it, but he's here now.

• 54:29Speaker 00

  Isn't that true? And you, obviously I haven't gone through it, but like, when you then decide you want to have a child, we grow up and we have this idea of exactly how we would get the child, right? And you're sitting there and you're like, okay, like, maybe I'm gonna be able to carry. And you're like, okay, pivot. And you're having to pivot. And that, I feel like is so much of every woman's experience is we're gonna come up against something that is just not what we thought it would be. But it, you're right, it doesn't matter. It's like, this is your journey and you're gonna figure out how to get through it. Not saying it's not hard, but it's like, you have to accept that so much of what we see and we're told at a young age is not actually what happens. Like, all the way down to the movies, you see, it's first the water breaks

• 55:14Speaker 00

  and then the woman goes to hospital. That's also very infrequent that that happens. Like, we have a vision in our head and then we have to live reality, which is most of the time, a lot scarier, a lot more complicated, and really, really emotionally taxing on a woman. And we don't talk about it that much.

• 55:32Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 55:32Speaker 00

  I'm happy, though, that people are starting to talk about it more, especially IVF, because even hearing your experience, Erin, hearing that other people reached out to you, being like, wait, thank you for admitting this.

• 55:41Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 55:42Speaker 00

  It's scary, right?

• 55:43Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:44Speaker 00

  Um, I can imagine also, like you said, you know, sugarcoating around, you're like, nine rounds of IVF at one point. Um, that is a lot on you physically and emotionally. And then I can imagine that's also a lot on you in your partnership emotionally. What were some of the conversations between you and Jarrett about like deciding whether like to keep trying or just timing and timelines and all of that?

• 56:13Speaker 02

  I mean, there's a lot of guilt on my end. You feel like a failure. You know, we just, we just moved into this new house. It's a lot bigger than what we had before because we thought we were having another baby. We lost a baby last year.

• 56:25Speaker 00

  So sorry.

• 56:26Speaker 02

  And so, oh, thank you. But it's just, then you're like, why are we doing this? Because we don't have a second. But it's like, stop, like, stop blaming yourself. Take care of yourself. Take care of your marriage. Let's see what we can do. But it's a lot. I mean, it weighs on you. It still does. I, you know, was hoping to get a round done before football because I'm still trying. I really am. I, I, I've spoken to a doctor that's like, listen, women are so close to having. And I, I, listen, women are fierce. Like, I know we can do it. So it is still something in my head. But the conversations are, he's so supportive. I'll be here for you. He would like to have another baby. I would too. Um, some days, though, walking around with my kid, I'm like, I'm trying to have another.

• 57:10Speaker 02

  Or I pull the Sally, Sally Fields from Steel Magnolias, do you know what your mother went through to have you? Um, so yeah, but he's very supportive. And I think, listen, when you do this as a couple, I, I can see why it makes or breaks people. It's, it is such a roller coaster of emotions.

• 57:29Speaker 00

  When you then did have Mac and he was first born, like, what did that feel like to you after all of this? The process and the process and the process and the hoping, and then you get to hold your child?

• 57:43Speaker 02

  A lot. Please don't leave, make us leave this hospital. What are we supposed to do? I mean, we didn't want our surrogate to leave. She got to leave before him and we were like, no, no, go. What do we do? Um, it was a lot. It was overwhelming. I don't think any of it really, really hit me with my connection with this child. Yes, I love him, but I love him so much more. It just grows as you get to know this, this being, this person, this crazy animal that you have. I say that affectionately. Um, yeah, it was, I think we just felt like we were in the Twilight Zone. We had gone through, through so much to get there. We get him. We don't really

• 58:25Speaker 02

  understand it all. The drive home was awful because it was very far from where we were in LA because she had the baby where she wanted to have the baby. And I remember my husband just driving, you know, at 10 o'clock at night, 45 miles per hour and we were chugging Starbucks and stuff. Um, I feel like, and I, and I'm interested to see if you feel this way. At three years old, I just sit and I stare at my child. Like he is crazy town USA. And I say that with the best, but he is the best. He's just, he is hilarious and the best. But I will tell you, having a kid, and I thought of you yesterday, we went to the doctor for his three-year checkup

• 59:06Speaker 02

  and then I want to go get it. He loves a green juice. He's got his bougie moments, this kid.

• 59:11Speaker 00

  Oh, three years old hitting the green juice.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  Loves a green juice.

• 59:14Speaker 00

  I love that for him.

• 59:15Speaker 02

  Mommy, I want a green juice. Okay, let's go. And then I, we, but he's potty trained. I'm so proud, but you know, you, sometimes you gotta be like, you gotta go to the bathroom. No, I want my green juice. Okay, we'll get the green juice after we go potty. Dealing with a toddler is dealing with your drunk 20-year-old girlfriend. Don't touch it. Get over here. No, come here, come here. No, come on, let's wash your hands. No, you don't need to, don't press that, Mac. Let's go, Mac. Don't turn off the lights. Get your hands off the floor. The best is when they take a poop in a public potty and you gotta wipe that bum. He is all fours on the ground and that butt in your face. And it is, I'm sorry, it's the cutest thing I've ever seen in my life.

• 59:52Speaker 00

  Oh my God, I love how I'm about to go through the newborn phase, but that's what I've understood. It's like, once you hit like three and they're like a real person, you're like, get ready to just be running.

• 1:00:01Speaker 02

  They are your drunk girlfriend in your twenties.

• 1:00:03Speaker 00

  That's a great.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  They are. It's, no, no, don't do that. Come here. No, sit down. Hold my hand. Where are you going? It is your drunk girlfriend in their twenties.

• 1:00:11Speaker 00

  How has motherhood changed you?

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  I'm a sap. I like, you know, I, everything with my kid, I'll cry about. Um, he's now doing the whole thing of like, mommy, don't, don't leave me. Don't leave yet. And that's going to be a whole thing during football this year. Cause I'm gone six months out of the year. So.

• 1:00:30Speaker 00

  What are you gonna do? I cry.

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  Um, the things he's saying is hysterical. What, what's he talking about, guys? What's he talking about, guys? Hey, hey, mom, what are you doing over there? Like, it's hilarious. He has dropped an F-bomb. It is a situation.

• 1:00:45Speaker 00

  Where do you think he learned that word from?

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  Not a, not a clue. Um, yep, we've had to, at first we just ignored it. Now we're like, hey, Mickey Mouse doesn't like, doesn't like little kids that say this kind of stuff. And Mickey will not allow you.

• 1:00:59Speaker 00

  Oh, blame it on Mickey.

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  The park if you say this. Yeah.

• 1:01:04Speaker 00

  We, have you taken him to a game yet?

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  No, he had, he went to, he's gone to King's game, of course. That's no problem there.

• 1:01:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  Doesn't really get it. We did go, the Dallas Cowboys were so sweet enough to allow us to come to Oxnard to go to, uh, training camp. He, uh, walked up to Dak and I'm very big on shaking hands, saying what your name is, ask what their name is, introduce yourself, sir. Um, told Dak, thanks for being so nice to my mom. Um, and then I think he's gonna go, he may go to an Eagles game this year. Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:41Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  On Thanksgiving.

• 1:01:43Speaker 00

  You're throwing him in the deep end.

• 1:01:44Speaker 02

  Sure are. In Dallas, though.

• 1:01:46Speaker 00

  Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Philly, I was like, oh damn. Now, what are we gonna do if he doesn't like football?

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know. I haven't that, thought that far ahead. Go to a therapist? No, I'm kidding. That's a joke. No, no, no.

• 1:01:59Speaker 00

  He's gonna love it. He's gonna love it.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:01Speaker 00

  Do you have any message to kind of wrap out the motherhood conversation to anyone listening who maybe is trying to get pregnant and it's not going the way that they have anticipated or wanted? Do you have any advice?

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  Hang in there. And when you feel like all your friends around you have babies and are getting pregnant so easy and everybody's having, you know, an easy go of it and you're not, and you feel like you can't talk to them, still talk to them. My girlfriends didn't know much about IVF. One of them, you know, did that had her baby that way, two of her babies that way. But, and, and my girlfriends hadn't had a surrogate either, but they were so invested. They were so sweet. Shoot, we even had, you know, one of my best girlfriends and, and her husband, he had a game that week. We went to Dan Tana's the night we found out that our surrogate was pregnant and they helped me enjoy way too much red wine. You know, like, just, even if your friends have not

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  experienced it and you think it's a hard time, you think it's very hard to verbalize how you're feeling, you need to talk to people. You cannot keep this stuff in. It'll eat you alive. It'll ruin your relationship. It'll ruin you. You've, you cannot keep it in.

• 1:03:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's great advice to like, don't just bear the burden between you and your partner. Like, let the people around you who also love you guys, like, help with it because I think a lot of people want to be there for their friends and their family. That's great advice.

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  Just say it's, this is so hard and I don't know how to manage this.

• 1:03:28Speaker 00

  It's great advice.

• 1:03:37Speaker 00

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• 1:05:11Speaker 00

  You have a podcast too.

• 1:05:12Speaker 02

  Oh, hey.

• 1:05:13Speaker 00

  Called Calm Down. Do you like being a podcaster?

• 1:05:16Speaker 02

  It's interesting. It's so different from what I do in real life. Yeah, because we're so structured. Um, myself and Krista Thompson, who's also on Fox and Amazon, uh, we thought, you know what, everybody is, is, is trying this. Let's, let's give it a whirl. And it turned into discussing what it's like having to go pee with, which by the way, I'm gonna say this, you know, where I have to pee for six months out of the year during football games is, is very adventurous.

• 1:05:45Speaker 00

  Oh, I can imagine.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:05:47Speaker 00

  So you're just, you're kind of telling us everything from like, motherhood to like, life on and off the field. Like, you're just going through everything and being very honest about it.

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, being honest. And, and, and it's good. You know, there's a lot of times, we have a lot of men that listen because they think they're, we're gonna tell deep, dark secrets about football, but a lot of women that are interested in juggling motherhood and also interested in getting into the business. Um, but I, what I was gonna say about the bathroom situation in what I experienced six months out of the year. You're lucky if there's toilet paper. You're lucky if it, and it clearly says women, but the men go in there a lot.

• 1:06:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  It's hard.

• 1:06:24Speaker 00

  Interesting. Right. Because usually it's like the women's line is so long and then the men's, but no, you're in more.

• 1:06:29Speaker 02

  And that's why men are going in. Men are going in. It's a little dirtier. I will say it's hard when you're doing maybe a jumper situation and it's got to be down on the ground and you've got the IFB and you're like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. I will tell you with all the nasty bathrooms I've been, I go to, I use your bathroom today because it takes an hour to get here from where I was. Can I just say the little treats in there? I mean, forget that, you know, the sanitary products. We got the Listerine packages. We got the dry shampoo. We've got the deodorant.

• 1:07:00Speaker 00

  We're the all woman team here. Okay. We, we know what the girls need.

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  And I took a good five minutes in there because I used all the products.

• 1:07:07Speaker 00

  You gotta pamper yourself.

• 1:07:09Speaker 02

  Sure did.

• 1:07:09Speaker 00

  I love going into a bathroom that has the thing.

• 1:07:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I used them.

• 1:07:12Speaker 00

  Thank you for noticing that. That's the first time anyone's brought up my bathroom here on Call Her Daddy.

• 1:07:16Speaker 02

  Oh, I was Listerining it in there. I was like, yeah, rinsing the residue that I left after I Listerined it. I used the dry shampoo. I used the deodorant. I smell fresh.

• 1:07:25Speaker 00

  Okay, perfect.

• 1:07:26Speaker 02

  Perfect.

• 1:07:27Speaker 00

  In kind of, you know, the spirit of calm down.

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  Calming down. Yes.

• 1:07:31Speaker 00

  I want to, the girls need some advice today. Okay. We're going to wind down with some advice. I'm going to give you a situation and you're going to tell us if we should calm down or if we can justifiably crash out.

• 1:07:44Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:07:45Speaker 00

  You were banking on your husband to go to a wedding with you, but he last minute has to pull out and now you have to go alone.

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Crash out, but make it a minor crash out. It doesn't have to be a full explosion.

• 1:07:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. But I'm, I'm annoyed.

• 1:07:57Speaker 02

  I'm annoyed. I'm crashing out. You know what he should do? He should calm down.

• 1:08:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:08:00Speaker 02

  And get it together.

• 1:08:02Speaker 00

  And get to the wedding.

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:03Speaker 00

  When you're at an event like a wedding, do people try to talk sports with you?

• 1:08:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. Which I would rather do because I don't want to talk about anything else.

• 1:08:09Speaker 00

  Oh, so true. Yeah. Don't ask me anything personal. Great. Oh, the Packers this year. Woo.

• 1:08:13Speaker 02

  Ew. But don't interject how you feel and what you think is going on. Cause you know what, sir? I, I know what's going on. I know too much. Knock it out. You need to calm down.

• 1:08:22Speaker 00

  You need to calm down.

• 1:08:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:23Speaker 00

  And listen to what I have to say. Okay. That's interesting. I like that. You ask your eyebrow waxer for a simple cleanup, but she accidentally makes them way too thin.

• 1:08:32Speaker 02

  Calm down.

• 1:08:34Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:08:34Speaker 02

  Follow the stencil.

• 1:08:35Speaker 00

  Oh, you're saying calm down to the woman, not yourself.

• 1:08:37Speaker 02

  Oh, me?

• 1:08:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:08:38Speaker 02

  No, she should calm down and give me my money back.

• 1:08:41Speaker 00

  And you're crashing out.

• 1:08:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. Crashing out.

• 1:08:44Speaker 00

  I feel like every woman has gone through a phase of like beauty blindness. Like at one point for me, I had basically my blonde was silverish.

• 1:08:54Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:08:55Speaker 00

  Bluish purple.

• 1:08:56Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:08:56Speaker 00

  And I really thought it was just, ooh, who was so great. That was full blindness. What have you had in your past where you're like, that was a full beauty blindness moment?

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  What I had two years ago where I knew a girl that had fantastic eyebrows and it was the kind that you could brush up and so fantastic. So somebody said, use this serum and I did and I, my hair was a lot lighter then and I was using it and she was growing in full black mustaches. And you can see it when you go back on our podcast, like Instagram site and see, it's like, what's happening? And no one in my life decided it would be a good idea to say, hey, what's going on there? What's going on?

• 1:09:41Speaker 00

  So your eyebrows were like Bush city.

• 1:09:44Speaker 02

  Bush mustache city. Yeah. Two years ago. And then it wasn't until I was shooting something that I had another makeup artist go, what's going on?

• 1:09:53Speaker 00

  What's going on there? What are we, what are we doing? I'm like, it's bad. I got so upset. I thought about bleaching them in the middle of the night and I was still in season. Thank God. And my girlfriend's like, no, go to like a freaking eyebrow person. It is really, I, I've had eyebrow blindness before. And when you look back at those videos of yourself.

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  What's going on?

• 1:10:13Speaker 00

  So crazy.

• 1:10:14Speaker 02

  Sure is.

• 1:10:15Speaker 00

  That we didn't see it right in front of our eyes.

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:18Speaker 00

  But you need perspective and you need a little distance.

• 1:10:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:20Speaker 00

  And you need an honest friend.

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  Too. Yeah.

• 1:10:22Speaker 00

  That extensions. Oh, just like the chunk blocky extensions. Yeah. Really bad. Really bad. Okay. Your kid starts throwing a temper tantrum in public. Are you calming down or are you crashing out?

• 1:10:34Speaker 02

  At first I'll calm down a little bit, but I will probably crash out in the car with him. I, my mom was very big on, I'm not going to ruin anybody else's time. So let's, we're going. We're going. We're done. I'm not figuring this out.

• 1:10:50Speaker 00

  With no judgment, what is one of the most unhinged parenting things that you've done to get through a hard moment?

• 1:10:56Speaker 02

  It's just what you never thought in a million years, what you would be doing. Like I am such a germaphobe. I'm grossed out by public restrooms. I have to dress in them every week in a, you know, in a airport when I'm trying to get home. The fact I'm like squatted down because my kid, another thing, my kid, when he is going potty, because we're not standing up yet to PP, we are fully sitting on the pot. We don't want our shorts on because he wants to spread them out. So I gotta take the shorts off. Then you know what that means? I gotta take the shoes and the socks off too, because he doesn't want them on. So we are fully.

• 1:11:28Speaker 00

  You're in a public restroom.

• 1:11:30Speaker 02

  And I am, I am, I am touching the public restroom. I am on the floor, looking at the little hairs and the little crumbs.

• 1:11:38Speaker 00

  And his shoes are off.

• 1:11:39Speaker 02

  And my man's shoes are off. And you want to know what is worse? When it's the automatic one and I'm sitting there and I'm holding him and the automatic flusher goes and there's splatter. There's splatter in my face.

• 1:11:49Speaker 00

  These are the things I never, I wouldn't even.

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  I have the flu. I've got pink eye. This is horrible.

• 1:11:56Speaker 00

  You have full pink eye all season. We're like, now we know why. Oh, Erin. Okay. This is interesting. Um, you just interviewed a player and overheard him tell his teammate that your breath smelled really bad.

• 1:12:08Speaker 02

  That's never going to happen.

• 1:12:09Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  It's never going to happen because I'm psychotic because I appreciate somebody like you having the Listerine. I will swallow an entire Listerine stack. No, I would never be calm down. I'm not calm down thinking of it. I am crashing out and I'm having chest pains and I'm going to worry about it for four weeks.

• 1:12:25Speaker 00

  You will never have bad breath.

• 1:12:27Speaker 02

  I am also going to write him a handwritten note and apologize. I had, I've told this story multiple times on our podcast. Luke Keakley just inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame. He is beautiful. He is, I have male friends that are like, what a good looking guy. He's Superman. He looks like Superman. I'm working a game. Panthers at Green Bay. It's cold. My nose is running. I go up to talk to him pre-game. I come back, talk to my producer and he's like, hey, look in the mirror. Huge booger. It wasn't just a little one. It was massive. I am so mortified that I cannot see Luke Keakley to this day without being like, I am so sorry about that booger. He's like, it was 10 years ago. You need to get over it.

• 1:13:12Speaker 00

  That is, that's a little traumatizing. Like a big booger. Yeah. That's going to stay with you.

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:18Speaker 00

  Okay. You got last minute invited to a huge playoff game while you're traveling and you have nothing to wear.

• 1:13:25Speaker 02

  I don't calm down about that. I crash out because I'm not good. I would call my girl Daniela or yeah, I would look up what is cool to wear. Yeah. I'm like a robot with that. I would crash out. No, I would go to my office and grab where by Erin Andrews, Alex.

• 1:13:45Speaker 00

  I was going to say, plug it. Plug it.

• 1:13:48Speaker 02

  My people are like, what is wrong with you?

• 1:13:50Speaker 00

  That was a good transition though.

• 1:13:51Speaker 02

  Um, but a lot of times here's the thing, I can't wear teams because I can't look like I'm biased. But here's what I'm going to say about a line called where by Erin Andrews. It doesn't have to be just for games. You can wear it to the dry cleaners. You can wear it to drop off. You can wear it when you're sitting on a public restroom floor, waiting for your son to tinkle at Lazy Acres.

• 1:14:14Speaker 00

  That's why I was going to ask you, I think it's really impressive of everything you've done in your career, you decide to start this clothing line.

• 1:14:21Speaker 02

  There was nothing to wear for women.

• 1:14:23Speaker 00

  Right. And what a great way to just get in there and be like, I'm going to solve this for everyone.

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:29Speaker 00

  Are there any pieces that you are particularly excited about to bring out this season for the women?

• 1:14:34Speaker 02

  We, I actually just wore it before I got here. It's kind of like the whole westerny vibe. Yeah. And you know, we have all the teams. We have nine different leagues. Uh, we have colleges. I wear the NFL stuff because I'm not showing any bias. I don't want the Philly fans to be mad at me. Um, yeah. Our windbreakers are sick. They're so vintage looking. I love our sweaters. They've kind of got the like Princess Di vibes when she was in the little spandex shorts.

• 1:14:59Speaker 00

  We all know. Love it.

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  Love, love, love.

• 1:15:01Speaker 00

  I love a good windbreaker.

• 1:15:03Speaker 02

  Oh, you do?

• 1:15:04Speaker 00

  Oh, you're a windbreaker gal.

• 1:15:05Speaker 02

  I just feel like it's, I don't know. I think having been an athlete myself, like I always gravitate towards the type of like athleisure that just really feels like I just came off the field.

• 1:15:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:16Speaker 02

  And I couldn't be more retired.

• 1:15:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:18Speaker 02

  Um, it is pathetic. Um, you are also not preparing just for NFL season, but you are also coming back to host the show 99 to beat.

• 1:15:26Speaker 00

  99 problems. Yeah.

• 1:15:28Speaker 02

  With Ken Jeong.

• 1:15:29Speaker 00

  Have you been around him?

• 1:15:31Speaker 02

  Never met him. Tell me everything. Cause obviously we love him from the hangover.

• 1:15:36Speaker 00

  Great.

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  But like, explain to me what the vibe of doing the show with him is.

• 1:15:40Speaker 00

  So our show is, like you said, 99 to beat. It starts with a hundred people. You don't have to be the best. You don't have to come in first. Whatever you do, you can't finish last. There are the craziest little games for all these people to play. They are, I, I sit there in real life and I'm like, holy crap. This is like 99 to beat. Like they would have this adorable, by the way, jelly bean bowl, and you'd have to pick it out with tweezers that are plastic and slippery. And the first one, you know, the last person is out. Million dollars on the line. So the stakes are high. There are, you know, people that are not too happy with other people. I love the drama. I love reading the body language. There's people looking to get other people out. There's kind of like, I'll say it. We have a guy that's like

• 1:16:23Speaker 00

  kind of like a Bill Belichick vibe. He's very stoic. He's not giving any pointers out to other people. He's like, you know, he's going to win. Oh, he's going to win. So yeah.

• 1:16:32Speaker 02

  It's, that is really fun to have because I just feel like that competitive nature. I love competing. I love anything that makes me be so competitive. Um, which I love that for

• 1:16:42Speaker 00

  I would be crap on that show.

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  Is there any challenge on the show that you actually think you could win?

• 1:16:47Speaker 00

  Well, not the golf cart one out of a small space. Cause seeing how I hit somebody's wooden, like trash can bin today. So definitely not that. What would I be good at? No, nothing.

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:16:57Speaker 00

  All of it would give me like raging anxiety.

• 1:16:59Speaker 02

  Okay, perfect. So it's better that you're hosting.

• 1:17:01Speaker 00

  Yep. You know what? It would be having a three-year-old use a public restroom without getting the flu.

• 1:17:06Speaker 02

  Anything mom related, you're like, I got this. I'm ready to go.

• 1:17:10Speaker 00

  I don't.

• 1:17:11Speaker 02

  Okay. Everything that we've talked about today, from what you've, you know, taken on professionally and publicly and personally, you're so impressive.

• 1:17:22Speaker 00

  Oh gosh.

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  I, no, truly like it's so.

• 1:17:26Speaker 00

  Refreshing to sit with a woman also who is so confident in her own right and not apologetic for her success and is so just truly confident in what she's done and not shying away or not trying to downplay what you've done. Like you own it and I love that. What would you say you are the most proud of though through all of it?

• 1:17:51Speaker 02

  Um, it's a fault of mine, but it's also something that has gotten me to where I am in my job and my family, in my, um, probably my marriage is just, I don't take the word no lightly. I figure out, how can I get around it? Okay. You're saying no this way, but what if I try it this way? I mean, that's how we were able to have our son. That's hopefully how I'm able to have another baby. That's, you know, other jobs. Maybe I'd like to have in my life, how I was able to get to where I am now with this job. Um, yeah, maybe my persistence.

• 1:18:27Speaker 00

  I love it. No, I think that's

• 1:18:28Speaker 02

  Hard-headedness.

• 1:18:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I think it's, it's very refreshing. I think also because I relate to you in a lot of ways and that specifically resonates with me of like, I work so hard and I think sometimes it's, I don't know why people think it's like embarrassing to admit that you're trying really hard and you're putting so much effort into something. And I've always been someone that's just like, oh no, I'm working my ass off. I'm not going to hide that. And I love that you've been like, I'm studying, I'm reading everything, I'm coming prepared. And like, that's why then you show up and you are confident and you deserve to be there. And I don't think that we should shy away from that as women. It's like, you earned that spot. Now own it and enjoy it and, and enjoy all the fruits of your labor

• 1:19:14Speaker 00

  because you've had such an incredible career and it's only going to continue to prosper. So Erin,

• 1:19:21Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:19:22Speaker 00

  No, I couldn't thank you enough for coming. I think this was like the perfect balance of inspirational and also just honest, like good girl talk conversation that I knew that we would have today, but I love how we went kind of all over the place.

• 1:19:35Speaker 02

  Oh, that's me.

• 1:19:36Speaker 00

  We did, me too.

• 1:19:37Speaker 02

  Did you get vertigo? Sorry if I did that to you.

• 1:19:39Speaker 00

  It's my favorite type of interviews when I dip into like nine different things.

• 1:19:43Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:19:44Speaker 00

  I love hearing your perspective on so many different aspects of life, but thank you so much for your time. I know,

• 1:19:50Speaker 02

  Thanks for your time.

• 1:19:51Speaker 00

  I know I got so lucky because girl, you're about to be so busy.

• 1:19:54Speaker 02

  So busy.

• 1:19:54Speaker 00

  Our lives couldn't be more different. You're going to be running on the sidelines and dealing with all that. And I'm going to be on full maternity leave. We, we are on opposite planes right now, but I guess we're both going to be in chaos.

• 1:20:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, in chaos.

• 1:20:06Speaker 00

  A little different.

• 1:20:07Speaker 02

  And we'll both be in wear because guess what? Your baby has wear gear on its way. It's here.

• 1:20:12Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:20:13Speaker 02

  Cause we have a baby line of course.

• 1:20:14Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  What up Eagles?

• 1:20:16Speaker 00

  Oh my God. Eagles. Oh, oh, that's coming home with me and my husband is going to hate. Full Rams fan. And I'm going to be like, we got Eagles baby merch. Oh, he's going to be pissed.

• 1:20:28Speaker 02

  Well, we're tight with the Stafford's. So Rams are great to cheer for too. They're the best. The Stafford's are the greatest.

• 1:20:33Speaker 00

  Erin, thank you so much for coming on Call Her Daddy. It was a pleasure.

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  Thank you for having me. Appreciate it. I'm going to go back to your bathroom and use all your products.

• 1:20:39Speaker 00

  Take it all. Take all the Listerine.

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