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From The Big Story: Sayaka Murata Inhabits a Planet of Her Own

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This episode explores the life and literary world of award-winning Japanese novelist Sayaka Murata, author of Convenience Store Woman and Earthlings, examining how her lifelong sense of alienation informs her provocative fiction. The host details Murata's struggles to perform ordinary human behavior, her decades-long routine working in convenience stores, and her speculative stories that interrogate societal conventions around sex, marriage, and reproduction. Through specific anecdotes, including her imaginary friends and unorthodox views on human biology, the episode explains how Murata uses grotesque and humorous scenarios to expose the absurdity of cultural norms.

  • Writers can channel personal feelings of alienation and social disconnect into compelling speculative fiction that questions human conventions. 2:57
  • Structured daily routines and familiar work environments can provide a grounding refuge for individuals overwhelmed by societal expectations. 24:33
  • Deep anxieties about not fitting in or failing to understand social rules are shared by many people attempting to pass as ordinary. 25:11

Chapters

  1. 0:07
    Podcast Intro and Host Announcement

    The episode opens with the host introducing the Wired Big Story and the featured author, Sayaka Murata.

  2. 2:02
    First Encounter with Sayaka Murata

    The narrator describes meeting Murata in Tokyo’s Shinjuku Gyoan National Garden on a humid summer day.

  3. 2:48
    Murata’s Body and Alienation

    Murata shares her lifelong struggle with bodily autonomy and feelings of alienation from human norms.

  4. 4:13
    Speculative Feminist Themes in Murata’s Work

    The narrator explains how Murata’s stories use grotesque social rituals to critique gender, marriage, and reproduction.

  5. 8:00
    Early Writing and Shōjo Influences

    Murata recounts how she began writing in elementary school, inspired by shōjo mystery and fantasy books.

  6. 20:17
    Personal Life and Imaginary Friends

    Murata discusses her imaginary companions, her fluctuating sexuality, and her approach to love and relationships.

  7. 22:58
    Murata’s Perspective on Human Norms

    Murata reflects on her outsider status and how it informs her speculative narratives about bodies and society.

  8. 26:28
    Closing Remarks and Credits

    The host wraps up the episode, thanking listeners and providing contact information for Wired and the story’s production team.

Highlights

  • 2:57

    Alienation as a Literary Sourceinsight

    Murata discusses how her lifelong inability to feel fully human influences her writing, leading her to create characters who feel distant from their bodies and societal expectations.

  • 5:11

    Cognitive Dissonance in Personinsight

    The host describes the jarring contrast between Murata's sweet, delicate demeanor and the shocking, cannibalistic themes present in her published fiction.

  • 5:22

    Thirty Imaginary Friendsstory

    Murata reveals that she maintains thirty imaginary friends from childhood who keep watch over her and hold her hand while she falls asleep.

  • 8:31

    Writing as a Sanctuarystory

    Facing severe bullying and suicidal ideation in junior high, Murata found that writing became a church and a vital way to control her own mind.

  • 12:32

    Refuge in Convenience Storesstory

    Working in convenience stores for 18 years provided Murata with a simple, rule-bound world where tasks were clearly outlined in a handbook, freeing her from gender pressures.

  • 15:41

    Grotesque Government Incentivesinsight

    In her untranslated book The Birth Murder, the government allows citizens who have ten babies to kill one person of their choice, creating a hellish cycle.

  • 22:58

    The Madness of Normalinsight

    Murata uses her outsider perspective to dissect the repulsiveness and grossness of humans, concluding through her characters that normal is a type of madness.

  • 25:26

    Realizing Ordinary Humanityinsight

    After discovering psychology books in college that outlined her exact worries, Murata realized her deep anxieties were completely ordinary and shared by many others.

Quotes

  • “In high school, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't sweat,”
    Unnamed speaker · 2:48
  • “Convenience Store Woman was a national bestseller that year, winning Japan's prestigious Akutagawa Prize and nearly every year since.”
    Unnamed speaker · 3:26
  • “She would frequently hide in the bathroom of her elementary school and cry until she threw up.”
    Unnamed speaker · 7:25
  • “In one story, recently deceased humans are repurposed to make tables, sweaters, and shimmering veils. The effect is strangely tender.”
    Unnamed speaker · 21:52
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  • Simplisafe 1:06–1:32
  • Shopify 1:36–2:01
  • Carvana 10:48–11:18
  • Farmers 18:23–18:51
  • Mintmobile 28:14–28:21
  • Vanta 28:33–28:58

About this episode

Listen to more of The Big Story here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠http://swap.fm/l/wi-bigstorypod-feeddrop The novelist makes the Earthly rituals of sex, marriage, childbirth—and all of human life—appear delightfully outlandish. For more of the most ambitious, future-defining stories from our favorite human writers, subscribe to The Big Story newsletter: https://www.wired.com/newsletter/the-big-story Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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Topics

  • AI
  • Convenience Store Woman
  • Earthlings
  • Life Ceremony
  • Tokyo
  • zero trust
  • Claude Code
  • A Clean Marriage
  • Shinjuku Gyoan National Garden
  • Shinjuku Gion

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