My Darling Wife | EP 9 | Season 3

On the eve of the verdict, Steve filed for divorce from Christine and left town. What followed were explosive allegations from Christine and a denial from Steve. Meanwhile, Cindy attempted to put her family back together. You can reach out to the Burden of Guilt team at [email protected] mailto:[email protected]. For more Burden of Guilt, follow us on Instagram @glasspodcasts https://www.instagram.com/glasspodcasts/. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 3:12Nancy Glass?

  Chris Decker represented Kenny Hamp in his lawsuit against Cyndi's ex-husband, Steve.

• 3:17Speaker 20

  Everything I learned about Steve led me to understand that this was going to be a long, expensive, and complicated civil action. And it was.

• 3:29Nancy Glass?

  When the case went to the jury, Chris felt cautiously optimistic.

• 3:34Speaker 20

  We're all very nervous. This was a long, hard grind over maybe almost two years of litigation. But we did have a good feeling. We felt like this case went well.

• 3:46Nancy Glass?

  That night, Chris gave Kenny some heartfelt advice.

• 3:50Speaker 20

  Kenny is a very sensitive person. He had been dragged through the pits of hell. And I just wanted to let Kenny know that these are things that leave scars. These are things that leave damage. And oftentimes, we need help processing those things. And so I just wanted to encourage him to consider some sort of therapeutic relationship where he can talk through these feelings.

• 4:20Nancy Glass?

  As Chris and Kenny had their eyes on the future, so did Cyndi's ex-husband, Steve.

• 4:26Speaker 20

  He served Christine divorce paperwork, got on a plane, and flew back to Hawaii. Didn't even show up for the verdict.

• 4:35Nancy Glass?

  As the verdict of millions of dollars in damages echoed in the Steamboat Springs courtroom, Steve was thousands of miles away.

• 4:43Speaker 20

  He let Christine, whom he had just served divorce paperwork, sit there and take the verdict alone. And I think that speaks volumes about Steve.

• 4:54Nancy Glass?

  A few months after the verdict, we first learned about this story, and you'll never believe who told us about it.

• 5:02Speaker 18

  Hi there. I have been listening to your podcasts and continue to feel that I need to reach out. I am 15 months into my discoveries and am doing my best to break all ties and heal.

• 5:23Nancy Glass?

  I'm Nancy Glass, and this is season three of Burden of Guilt, episode nine, My Darling Wife.

• 5:35Nancy Glass?

  It was the Tuesday before Thanksgiving in 2023 when both sides rested their case.

• 5:42Speaker 07

  It was a knockout, drag-out fight. But it's also very scary because you never know what a jury's going to think.

• 5:48Nancy Glass?

  When the verdict came down the following morning, Cyndi and Kenny knew it was a good sign. And they were right. The jury awarded them $21.3 million in damages.

• 6:01Speaker 07

  After that judge hit in the gavel, you know, I was literally shaking afterwards. It took me five years to get that jury verdict. Five years of hard work in order for this to be exposed. Not just expose Steve and Christine on what they did, but to expose on how the courts are failing and how the courts are being manipulated.

• 6:23Nancy Glass?

  Lawweek Colorado reported that it was one of the state's largest judgments that year.

• 6:29Speaker 07

  To Cyndi and I, it was about clearing our names. That's what we wanted. It wasn't about the money. This is the most difficult thing I've done in my entire life. Overcoming this has not just been a challenge. It's a life-changing and emotional experience. I'm forever a changed character from this. Even to this day, it's hard for me to talk about. It impacted my whole life, my soul, you know, my being. I've grown from it, but I did not need this in my life.

• 7:06Nancy Glass?

  I thought back to the first time I met Kenny. It was at a restaurant in Florida, some 2,000 miles away from his and Cyndi's home in Steamboat Springs, Colorado. Usually, people feel safest at home, but not Cyndi and Kenny.

• 7:22Speaker 07

  Our reputation was destroyed in Steamboat. I was so terrorized and traumatized. We literally kind of camped six months out of the year down in Florida.

• 7:32Nancy Glass?

  Ever since this nightmare began in 2019, Cyndi and Kenny have been on the move.

• 7:38Speaker 07

  Each time that we would go someplace, we would feel safe, take a little bit of our souls back. But 90% of our times traveling was not fun. Trust me. All of our conversations turned into the kids, about the litigation, about the courts, about the past and the future. It was hell.

• 8:03Nancy Glass?

  So Kenny, the first time we met, you didn't show up on time. And for a while, I was wondering if you were going to show up at all.

• 8:14Speaker 07

  Yeah. I honestly didn't want to do it. We had just come out of our court case. We were both still suffering a lot of trauma. I feel like I'm to the level of, I still suffer through trauma, but I've learned how to live with it.

• 8:33Nancy Glass?

  To his credit, Kenny not only showed up, he opened up. And today, he is in a better place and credits his therapist for helping him find his way out of the darkness.

• 8:44Speaker 07

  You know, I've come a long ways since we've talked. Do I still have anger? Yes. Sadness, of course, but not as much. I've moved on from a lot of that in the healing process. Because if it wasn't me in Cyndi's life, this was going to be somebody else. I wasn't targeted. I think she had a sense of guilt that she involved me in something in her life that I had no part of. And I was being impacted so greatly, like possibly going to jail for the rest of my life. So yeah, this is the most difficult thing

• 9:28Speaker 07

  anybody could ever imagine or go through. And I wish this on nobody.

• 9:38Nancy Glass?

  After a 22-day trial, the jury found Steve liable for over $20 million in damages to Cyndi and Kenny. And surprisingly, Steve wasn't in the courtroom to hear the verdict.

• 9:52Speaker 08

  So I saw Christine, and then I didn't see- See Steve and I'm like, well, that's a good sign.

• 9:58Speaker 07

  Going into the verdict when he wasn't there, I knew that he knew that he had lost and that he was going to be held responsible.

• 10:08Speaker 08

  He doesn't show up when he loses. That's how childish he is. He can't even show up.

• 10:15Nancy Glass?

  Kenny's lawyer, Chris Decker, wasn't surprised.

• 10:19Speaker 20

  Someone in a civil case is not required to be at a verdict, but the fact that he didn't show is a remarkable statement and totally consistent with the Steve that I know. He doesn't want to be confronted with the consequences of his own behavior, his own decisions, and his own directions.

• 10:39Nancy Glass?

  And get this, Steve didn't just leave town.

• 10:43Speaker 20

  He served Christine divorce paperwork, got on a plane, and flew back to Hawaii.

• 10:48Nancy Glass?

  Think about that. Steve and Christine spent five weeks portraying themselves to the jury as two caring parents. And then, as the jury deliberated, Steve dropped divorce papers on Christine in Colorado and got out of town.

• 11:04Speaker 20

  I suspect he knew well what was going to happen, how the jury was going to render their verdict. And we were able to show that this was not a loving and supportive father. This is a father with a priority belief and agenda, and that he was willing to use any person. He was willing to make any falsehood, and he was willing to undertake any effort to make sure that Kenny Hamp was criminally prosecuted and that the mother of these children never saw their kids again.

• 11:41Nancy Glass?

  During the trial, Christine testified that she and Steve had separated almost a year earlier.

• 11:47Speaker 20

  There was notable tension between Steve and Christine at the trial. They were not sitting next to each other. They were not engaging in communication with one another.

• 12:00Nancy Glass?

  In fact, Chris Decker learned about the separation long before the trial.

• 12:05Speaker 20

  Halfway through her deposition was a question, I can't remember exactly what it was. It had something to do about, you know, their living situations in Hawaii. And we got kind of a funny answer from her. It led one of the lawyers to ask her directly, are you living with Steve right now? And she said, no.

• 12:23Nancy Glass?

  So what made Steve choose that specific time to serve Christine with divorce papers? We may never know that answer. But afterwards, the tide began to turn.

• 12:38Nancy Glass?

  Steve initiated divorce proceedings in Hawaii, where he lived at the time. And Hawaii happens to be a state where divorce filings are part of the public record. Some of those filings caught the eyes of a journalist.

• 12:54Speaker 06

  I'm Chris Osher. I'm a senior investigative reporter with both the Colorado Springs Gazette and the Denver Gazette.

• 13:02Nancy Glass?

  You heard Chris earlier in this podcast. He's an award-winning journalist who writes an ongoing series about Colorado's dysfunctional family court system.

• 13:11Speaker 06

  About three years ago, I got interested in the family court system. So there's probably not a week goes by now that I don't hear from someone who's got a complaint about the family court system.

• 13:24Nancy Glass?

  Even though Chris writes about cases like Cindy and Steve's, he learned about it after the verdict.

• 13:30Speaker 06

  I was talking to another mother about another case, and she said, oh, there's this crazy civil litigation in which a mother won a defamation case for a lot of money. And then I looked into it, and sure enough, that was the case. Cindy's been pretty much vindicated with a $21.3 million defamation verdict.

• 13:52Nancy Glass?

  What happened after that $21.3 million verdict is what caught Chris's attention. That's when he started following Steve and Christine's divorce proceedings. One filing from Christine stood out. A voice actor will read from that.

• 14:08Speaker 21

  Since she was ambushed by husband with this divorce, she has been focusing on rebuilding her life after being financially cut off from the resources she had enjoyed for over five years and realizing that almost everything he has ever told her was a lie.

• 14:23Nancy Glass?

  Almost everything he has ever told her was a lie. Those words in Christine's filing raised a lot of eyebrows.

• 14:32Speaker 08

  I said, you know, the day that Christine turns on Steve, it'll explode. And when it did, I mean, it came out. It was a tidal wave.

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• 18:34Nancy Glass?

  When Cindy's ex-husband Steve served his second wife Christine with divorce papers, it was a dramatic end to their relationship. Their divorce filings contained explosive allegations, information that casts this whole story in a different light. Journalist Chris Osher.

• 18:52Speaker 06

  That relationship had disintegrated, and there were allegations that he was a sex addict himself.

• 19:02Nancy Glass?

  In a court filing, Christine alleged that Steve was a sex addict and that during the defamation litigation with Cindy and Kenny, Steve sought to cover up his addiction by funneling money through Christine.

• 19:15Speaker 06

  You know, talk about glass houses.

• 19:18Nancy Glass?

  Christine's court filings claimed that Steve sent her $150,000 to secretly pay for his sex addiction counseling and marriage therapy. In doing so, Christine wrote that it was a way to hide that from Cindy. And there was more.

• 19:37Speaker 06

  There were even allegations that he was promising her $2 million to tailor her testimony.

• 19:46Nancy Glass?

  Christine made that allegation against Steve. And with it, she attached an 11-page letter Steve purportedly sent to her in the months leading up to the trial.

• 19:58Speaker 06

  Now, he contends that she manufactured the evidence, but he did say, I believe in a court filing, that, yeah, this was an effort to evade a prenuptial that he had with her.

• 20:10Nancy Glass?

  Chris's article states that Steve filed court documents stating that the 11-page apology letter is fraudulent and that Steve never wrote that letter. Steve alleged that Christine was trying to escape from a prenup agreement she signed that restricted her to only receiving a few hundred thousand dollars in the event of a divorce. His filings said the letter was concocted as part of what he claims were Christine's continuing efforts to extort $7 million from him for what he calls baseless accusations.

• 20:45Speaker 06

  I don't know if you've obtained that, but it's quite a letter.

• 20:49Nancy Glass?

  We did obtain a copy of Steve's purported letter to Christine. A voice actor will read excerpts.

• 20:57Speaker 22

  My darling wife, I have not written you enough over the years. I hope this is not the last letter that I write to you as my wife. To say that I have failed you and our family is an understatement.

• 21:09Nancy Glass?

  The letter talks about Steve being on the dating app Tinder.

• 21:14Speaker 22

  I was truly put on Tinder without my knowledge. I acted horrified, but appreciated some attention, attention that I had not had in years. I strayed further into the wilderness of superficial self-absorption. It was addictive. At that time, I was trying to meet people in Denver, sinking deeper into the shallow cesspool in which I lived. It was then that I met you. I thought to myself, here's a beautiful woman who is divorcing and simply wanting a wealthy guy to manipulate or use. The more that I got to know you, the more that I could not believe that you were actually real. You were married.

• 21:59Speaker 22

  You were still wearing your ring when you came to my house the first time. Most people that I knew simply wanted to use me or wanted something from me, money, time, information. I do not know how many women I dated or were physically involved with the early stages of our relationship. I lied to you. I then covered up with another lie. You are a siren, a vixen, a supplicant, and a lover. So why then Google nude celebrities when I have everything in my bed? I have no reason other than perverted curiosity. I did not hire or engage with prostitutes.

• 22:42Speaker 22

  Yes, I went to the massage place in Denver. No, I did not get a blowjob. No, I don't expect you to believe me. No, I cannot prove it. I lied and lied again when I was given the opportunity to come clean. I'm glad the lie is over. I'm grateful that I have been exposed for my transgressions. I will go to my grave regretting the choices I have made. I do not believe that I'm a pathological liar and/or maniacal demon trying to destroy your life and that of your son.

• 23:24Nancy Glass?

  According to Christine's court filing, Steve wrote this letter in March of 2023, which is significant because that was right after the deposition of District Attorney Matt Carzen. As you know, the DA's testimony became a key part of Cindy and Kenny's case against Steve. And the next part of Steve's purported letter addressed that.

• 23:47Speaker 22

  I'm no longer going to hide anything from you. I do not expect you to believe this statement. I'm not saying this because of litigation. After Carzen, I am absolutely terrified of what is going to happen. I will not lie about that. I also acknowledge that I cannot get to a settlement or win without your help. I do not need to tell you this. Win, lose, or draw, I want to be your husband. Easiest thing to have done would be to try to negotiate a financial settlement and legal cooperation agreement. If we win, I want to be in your arms. If we lose, I want to be in your arms.

• 24:31Speaker 22

  I just want to be in your arms. I know that I do not want to end this, and I want to believe that you do not want it to end. I do not have it in me to continue this lie and fight. I would like to propose some options as I see them.

• 24:51Nancy Glass?

  Also in the letter, Steve allegedly offered to make a deal. Here's option one.

• 24:57Speaker 22

  If you are done, I accept my consequence. Your prenup gives you a few hundred thousand dollars. Given the situation, that is not fair. If you are really done, I will agree to splitting any settlement, if there is one, from Cindy with you, 50-50 after fees. I will immediately give you $2 million.

• 25:23Nancy Glass?

  Along with those $2 million, Steve allegedly offered Christine a 10% profit interest in a company he was part of.

• 25:32Speaker 22

  If I'm lucky, that will give you another approximately $1 million in two to three years. I will transfer the $2 million immediately to you in exchange for your cooperation in the legal and not telling people about my addiction, including sharing this information with people on Maui. I am also requesting that you delete your evidence as I now have a serious discovery issue. I would ask that you support the kids and me by doing what you have done so far in the litigation. Their truth and financial future should not be punished because of my mistakes. I will also agree to access to the boys. If you want to see them, talk to them, go on a trip,

• 26:16Speaker 22

  you are welcome to do so. I also recommend not starting divorce proceedings until after the trial.

• 26:24Nancy Glass?

  That trial, of course, was Cindy and Kenny's civil trial. So according to this letter, Steve allegedly offered Christine $2 million in exchange for her cooperation in that civil trial with the promise of more money should he prevail. He allegedly asked Christine to delete evidence and hold off on divorce proceedings until after the trial. That allegedly was option one.

• 26:51Speaker 22

  If you are not done, but want to work on things and not be in the same house, then we can find a home for you on Maui. I will buy it, put it in your name. The risk for you is if you decide in a year that you are leaving, then you will have to sell the house. So effectively, your money is tied. Waiting to sell before you can buy another. And who knows what state of the market will be.

• 27:18Nancy Glass?

  And here was Steve's alleged third option.

• 27:22Speaker 22

  Stay together. This is the preferred option for me. I commit to full transparency and getting mental health treatment. The mental health treatment will take time. I think that Seattle is a really good start for us. I do not want a divorce. I want to spend the balance of my life with you and become the version of the husband that you deserve and that I so desperately want to be.

• 27:49Speaker 22

  I want to create and live my life with the woman I chose. If you give a chance, I can demonstrate this through my words and deeds. This longing is not out of fear of litigation. I want to work less and live more. I want to be your husband and partner.

• 28:13Nancy Glass?

  And that's how the 11-page typed letter ended. There was no signature. And despite everything in the letter that Steve allegedly wrote, it was Steve who wound up filing to divorce Christine. A voice actor will read from Christine's filing. And for clarity, we're substituting the first names of the parties with husband, wife, and ex-wife.

• 28:38Speaker 21

  These communications and efforts were aroused by Steve, done to simply placate her into providing favorable testimony at the civil litigation trial and to avoid having her filing for divorce in Colorado during the pendency of the civil litigation. Had she ever had the whole truth or had access to the whole story, she would never have uprooted her life and child to serve the interests of a liar and manipulator. The chaos of Steve's legal battles, kids' traumas, and move to Maui have caused Christine's life to be upended in every way imaginable. The sacrifices she has made were catastrophic for her and her son. Without help from this court, Christine will likely continually live to suffer the results of Steve's fraud,

• 29:23Speaker 21

  both on herself and on his ex-wife Cindy.

• 29:27Nancy Glass?

  Cindy and her lawyers were following Christine's filings.

• 29:32Speaker 08

  In her divorce pleading, she actually did say how she was manipulated. I appreciated that, that she recognized how she might have been misled. I'm sure her conscience was bothering her at that point when she wrote the pleading. But your conscience at some point should have directed you to making that phone call to me to say, I need to get you and your kids back together. I was part of this mess. That's where I draw the line with Christine. Like, you said some nice things, but why did it take you so long? You allowed the kids to live with him. You didn't report it to say, this man is not a good parent. This man's a manipulator and liar. So I have a lot of mixed feelings about that.

• 30:14Nancy Glass?

  By May of 2024, the judge in Steve and Christine's divorce case sealed the record. But it was too late. Copies of these documents were already in circulation. And then, about a month later, we got an email from a woman with a story to tell. And that woman was Christine, Steve's ex-wife.

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• 33:43Nancy Glass?

  The divorce of Cindy's ex-husband Steve and his second wife Christine took a turn in the spring of 2024. As you heard, Christine's filing included a letter she claims Steve wrote. In that letter, Steve purportedly expressed concern about testimony from the district attorney and allegedly offered Christine $2 million to testify favorably on his behalf. Cindy read a copy of that letter.

• 34:12Speaker 08

  I read this document, and it's just like how Steve writes. It's all single-spaced. There's no paragraph breaks. It's just diarrhea out of the mouth of this kind of confessional of his bad behavior. And he did this to me once, too. Please stay with me, don't leave. I know I could be a better husband. But man, the things that were exposed in that letter, I even felt sorry for when I started hearing about that.

• 34:38Nancy Glass?

  But this story gets even stranger. Here's Kenny's lawyer, Chris Decker.

• 34:43Speaker 20

  Steve was taking the position that it was fraudulent, that it was not an authentic document, that it was some creation by Christine. And Christine, of course, took the position that it was a legitimate document written by Steve to her. And it outlined a parade of horribles that he was admitting to. He was essentially pleading for forgiveness to Christine and admitting his wrongdoings.

• 35:14Nancy Glass?

  In a court filing, Steve said the letter was written by Christine and added, quote, "whose prolific journaling and writing is well-known and documented," end quote. Steve's filing added, "No one other than Christine had ever accused him of any sexual impropriety." Steve further noted that if Christine filed that fabricated letter in their ongoing divorce proceeding, he would file counterclaims for defamation and theft. And then, on June 15, 2024, about a month after the judge sealed the records, we received an email from Christine. A voice actor will read part of what she wrote.

• 36:00Speaker 18

  Hi there. I have been listening to your podcasts and continue to feel that I need to reach out. First and foremost, to express my gratitude for the courage of what you've created. Thanks to your efforts, I know I'm not alone. I am 15 months into my discoveries and am doing my best to break all ties and heal. Finding your podcast has certainly offered community and support. I would love nothing more than an opportunity to offer my thanks.

• 36:30Nancy Glass?

  Here's Kenny's lawyer, Chris Decker.

• 36:33Speaker 20

  The fact that Christine reached out does surprise me a little bit. I'm not sure what story she thought needed to be told or what she would say if she were interviewed. So I'm not surprised that this story found you. I'm a little surprised at how it found you.

• 36:55Nancy Glass?

  We've had a conversation with Christine, but she has not gone on the record with us. And a week before this podcast started airing, we got an email from her. A voice actor will read part of that message.

• 37:09Speaker 18

  Thank you so much for reaching out and offering to include my perspective in your production. I would appreciate. The opportunity to speak with you and share the complete background of my situation. Because my legal situation remains active and ongoing, I will not be able to meet your current deadline. I believe your production will be far more accurate and compelling once all parties' perspectives and evidence are fully considered. I regret that my timeframe does not align with your schedule. All the best. Christine.

• 37:40Nancy Glass?

  At the time of this recording, Christine's divorce case with Steve is still ongoing.

• 37:46Speaker 08

  It's tough divorcing Steve. He does not make a divorce at all easy.

• 37:53Nancy Glass?

  Both sides are fighting over Christine's prenup, and they're fighting over something else, too. Christine is on the hook for part of that multimillion-dollar judgment, the one the jury awarded Cindy and Kenny in their civil trial. Christine's been ordered to pay $1 million of that amount. Here's Kenny's lawyer, Chris Decker, again.

• 38:14Speaker 20

  She appealed the judgment against her, and the Court of Appeals recently issued an order upholding the judgment and denying the grounds for her appeal. After the Court of Appeals denied her claims, she filed a pro se pleading, which is an appellate right to request the appeals court for a further hearing on that appeal. I would liken it to a bit of a Hail Mary.

• 38:46Nancy Glass?

  So you can understand why Christine is not talking to us. That brings us back to Cindy's kids. Over the past couple of episodes, we really haven't talked about the three children. By the time Cindy and Kenny won that $21.3 million verdict, it had been almost three years since Cindy had been allowed to contact them.

• 39:11Speaker 08

  I couldn't have contact with my kids. I couldn't email them. I couldn't text them. I couldn't do anything.

• 39:17Nancy Glass?

  And that wasn't by choice. It was by court order.

• 39:19Speaker 08

  It was a complete no-contact court order, starting in January of '21. No contact whatsoever.

• 39:27Nancy Glass?

  Throughout those years, Cindy has been in court multiple times trying to regain parenting time with her kids, but each time she was told no.

• 39:37Speaker 08

  I guarantee you, if I had just dropped those lawsuits and dropped my appeal and never contested anything, then I could have had my kids back. And that's wrong.

• 39:48Nancy Glass?

  She tries not to think about the number of birthdays and holidays she's missed with her kids. She also wonders if her kids knew the reason she didn't call, didn't send Christmas presents, or even a birthday card.

• 40:00Speaker 08

  If I would have reached out and even sent a card, I would have gone to jail. That's contempt. I wasn't willing to go to jail to send a birthday card.

• 40:10Nancy Glass?

  In fact, for a long time, the only way Cindy was able to see her kids was on their school's website.

• 40:18Speaker 08

  I was so excited to see them. I was like, oh, my gosh, look at my daughter. She looks so beautiful. She was playing tennis and volleyball. I was like, oh, that's just, she's real lanky, too. Like, oh, those are perfect sports for her. And then the boys, they did a couple of performances at the school, so I was able to watch those performances.

• 40:37Nancy Glass?

  Once the jury found that Steve and his wife Christine had made up the child abuse allegations, Cindy thought this would finally change things.

• 40:48Speaker 08

  So we were already kind of celebrating, thinking, oh, we just turned a major corner here. This is all going to start going our way. No.

• 40:58Nancy Glass?

  But why? Why has the court kept the children away from their mother?

• 41:03Speaker 08

  The only thing worse than sex abuse is convincing a child that they were abused. That is a form of abuse. And yet, where are my kids today? With the same person that convinced them that this happened?

• 41:24Nancy Glass?

  Like Cindy, her stepsister Lisa has nearly run out of patience. You can read all the documents in the world about the case, and it doesn't make sense. Lisa thought as soon as the DA dropped child abuse charges against Kenny, Cindy would get her kids back. You just think, okay, finally. Now the kids are coming back, right? Nope. And then, a year later, when DHS reversed their findings of abuse. Okay, well, now for sure you'll get the kids back. Nope, still not back. Why? There's something wrong with what happened here.

• 42:09Nancy Glass?

  But there are some wrongs that can never be made right. You spend years and a shit ton of money to prove the truth, and you do it, and you still haven't got your kids back.

• 42:21Speaker 08

  That's what I'm up against. I'm up against a judge who cannot see she's made a mistake.

• 42:28Speaker 05

  The central victims in this story are those three kids who've been caught in the middle between mom and dad, and that's just no position kids should ever be put

• 42:37Speaker 00

  in. It's a zero-sum game. One side wins, and the other side loses. And in the end, the people who lose the most are the kids.

• 42:46Speaker 12

  Cindy's effectively been erased from her kids' lives.

• 42:50Speaker 08

  So I don't think I'm going to have a relationship with my kids ever again.

• 42:58Nancy Glass?

  That's next time on the final episode of Burden of Guilt.

• 43:02Speaker 19

  Thanks for listening.

• 43:28Nancy Glass?

  If you're enjoying Burden of Guilt, subscribe, rate, and review the series with five stars, hopefully. That helps other people find our show. Are you curious about what the people involved in this look like? Do you want to hear bonus content? Just check out our Instagram account at Glass Podcasts. You can reach out to the Burden of Guilt team at [email protected]. That's [email protected]. Burden of Guilt is a production of Glass Podcasts, a division of Glass Entertainment Group in partnership with iHeart Podcasts.

• 44:08Nancy Glass?

  This series is executive produced and hosted by me, Nancy Glass, produced by Todd Gans, also produced by Ben Fetterman and Andrea Gunning. Additional production support provided by Carrie Hartman. Thank you to our voice actors, James Palombo, Lucy Kohler, and Tanner Robbins. Our story editor is Monique LaBord. Our associate producer is Jade Abdul Malik. Our production manager is Kristin Mulkeri. Our iHeart team is Ally Perry and Jessica Krychek. Audio editing by Tanner Robbins. Audio mixing and mastering by Anna McLean and Matt Del Vecchio.

• 44:52Nancy Glass?

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