Toy Story 5

Woody, Buzz, and Jessie are back - and they're making us freak out about social media! Join Griffin, David, Ben, and Marie as they discuss Andrew Stanton's latest film - this summer's blockbuster hit Toy Story 5. David gets to talk about being a parent. Marie and Ben get to talk about wanting to be parents. And Griffin gets to talk about his special interest - the Toy Story franchise. Special thanks to Nick “Tiger” Wiger (Doughboys, How Did This Get Played?) and Aiko Tanaka (@aikocomedy https://www.instagram.com/aikocomedy) for help with the Japanese translations. Read Sucker: My year as a degenerate gambler By McKay Coppins https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/2026/04/online-sports-betting-app-addiction/686061/ Watch Please take Toy Story 4 away from me by Jenny Nicholson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JvJE770-o0 Read: Toy Story Confronts a Nightmare of Modern Parenting By David Sims https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/2026/06/toy-story-5-review-pixar-movie/687643/ Sign up for Check Book https://blankcheckpod.substack.com/welcome, the Blank Check newsletter featuring even more “real nerdy shit” to feed your pop culture obsession. Dossier excerpts, film biz AND burger reports, and even more exclusive content you won’t want to miss out on. Join our Patreon for franchise commentaries and bonus episodes. http://www.patreon.com/blankcheck Follow us @blankcheckpod on Twitter https://x.com/blankcheckpod?lang=en, Instagram https://www.instagram.com/blankcheckpod/?hl=en, Threads https://www.threads.net/@blankcheckpod?xmt=AQGzctAh4mbWTwYzCV1pzNT6AMV9o99EOfymi8TLR5mTde0 and Facebook https://www.facebook.com/blankcheckpodcast/! Buy some real nerdy merch https://kinshipgoods.com/blankcheck Connect with other Blankies on our Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/blankies/s/gpcOkQr8Sv or Discord https://discord.gg/Q6YGSR3JrA For anything else, check out BlankCheckPod.com https://www.blankcheckpod.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:21Griffin Newman?

  I don't know, Jesse. I mean, toys are for play, but podcasts, podcasts are for everything.

• 0:30Griffin Newman?

  I have to say, I don't like that line, but it's the closest thing to a line in the trailer.

• 0:34David Sims?

  It feels like a trailer line, right?

• 0:35Griffin Newman?

  It's a real trailer.

• 0:36David Sims?

  It feels like a sort of mission statement.

• 0:37Griffin Newman?

  It's a mission statement line. Now, here's what I want to say, and I felt like I had to open with a quote.

• 0:42David Sims?

  He's saying tech is for everything, right?

• 0:44Griffin Newman?

  Yes, yes. Here's what I want to say to open the episode. Toy Story in five!

• 0:50David Sims?

  Oh.

• 0:51Griffin Newman?

  We did it!

• 0:52David Sims?

  Oh, the sigh emanating from Marie Barti Salinas.

• 0:55Griffin Newman?

  Toy Story in five!

• 0:59David Sims?

  He's referencing the Knicks, Ben.

• 1:02Griffin Newman?

  I got it.

• 1:03David Sims?

  The nine Knicks.

• 1:04Griffin Newman?

  Toy Story won the movie franchise championship in only five entries.

• 1:08David Sims?

  Marie, why so sad?

• 1:11Speaker 02

  I just want to say that Woody wears cowboy boots.

• 1:14Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:16Speaker 02

  With spurs on them.

• 1:17David Sims?

  Oh, so you're saying he's a San Antonio fan secretly?

• 1:20Speaker 02

  Yes, he is.

• 1:21Griffin Newman?

  All I'm saying is that Toy Story won. That's all I'm saying. Not that Toy Story, the first movie. I'm saying that Toy Story won the championship.

• 1:28David Sims?

  It didn't, just to be clear. But it's interesting that you're saying that, because you're saying there's a movie franchise championship.

• 1:33Griffin Newman?

  Ben and I have talked about this, but two times we have seen this movie.

• 1:36David Sims?

  Right.

• 1:37Griffin Newman?

  Is there a more consistent five movie run?

• 1:40Speaker 02

  I would argue Mission Impossible. I know people don't.

• 1:44David Sims?

  He's gonna exclude it because it has more than five? Or it has to be five plus?

• 1:49Speaker 02

  Well, no, because.

• 1:50Griffin Newman?

  What would you call the five run?

• 1:52Speaker 02

  One through five. Like, I love two. I'm sorry. I know people don't like two.

• 1:57Griffin Newman?

  And you're mopping off the Macquarie.

• 1:58David Sims?

  What about four through eight, though? Like, you kind of go like the true Mission Impos-

• 2:02Speaker 02

  We're at eight now?

• 2:02David Sims?

  Isn't it eight?

• 2:03Griffin Newman?

  I think, yeah, it was eight.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  Oh, Jesus. Okay, well then.

• 2:07David Sims?

  You know, because you could do, four through eight is kind of, obviously, Mr. Puzzle 3 is sort of a prologue, but like, that's the, you know.

• 2:13Griffin Newman?

  Eight's a wash.

• 2:14Speaker 02

  To me, that franchise is more impressive, maintaining quality and.

• 2:19David Sims?

  Or you could do three to seven and just be like, and then they had a weird cliffhanger, and they never made another one. Weird.

• 2:23Griffin Newman?

  I mean, we do have to live in a world where they botched the ending really badly.

• 2:29David Sims?

  Now, Griffin.

• 2:29Griffin Newman?

  What?

• 2:30David Sims?

  Now, take it easy. Just because you want Toy Story to win, doesn't mean you have to say that they botched it really badly. It was all right.

• 2:35Speaker 02

  They botched it really badly.

• 2:36Griffin Newman?

  I think that movie sucks.

• 2:38David Sims?

  It was all right.

• 2:39Griffin Newman?

  I find that movie so frustrating.

• 2:40David Sims?

  He's gonna, anything we throw at him, he'll be like, actually, it turns out it's bad.

• 2:44Griffin Newman?

  No, I want to say, I'm ready to be normal about this movie. This is not my favorite movie of the year.

• 2:50David Sims?

  We need like a big line button.

• 2:51Griffin Newman?

  Ready to be normal.

• 2:52Speaker 02

  Griffin, how many tote bags of merchandise did you bring today?

• 2:57Griffin Newman?

  Uh, one. I had one already here. We're gonna do some social videos when this is done.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  And then how many pieces of Toy Story apparel are you wearing right now?

• 3:05Griffin Newman?

  Currently, three.

• 3:06David Sims?

  What's the third? You have a hat, a shirt, oh, the shoes.

• 3:10Griffin Newman?

  I got the Adidas before they sold out. That was a, that was a multiple alarms drop, I'll have you know.

• 3:16David Sims?

  Those are cool shoes.

• 3:17Griffin Newman?

  Thank you!

• 3:18David Sims?

  You're welcome.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  And, uh.

• 3:19David Sims?

  Ben's just like, you know what, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm just, I'm on board.

• 3:24Griffin Newman?

  I'm just on board. I'm about to correct what you're about to ask.

• 3:27Speaker 02

  Well, no, I'm going to say, Griffin, you have now added a new case to your iPad.

• 3:31Griffin Newman?

  Well, I've, I've joined the pond. I'm on the pond. I have a Lily Pad case, I have Smarty Pants, and I have Snappy here on my desk.

• 3:39David Sims?

  Well, I noticed Snappy before. This is, um, the Lily Pad, it's just a case for an iPad.

• 3:46Griffin Newman?

  It's just a case for an actual iPad.

• 3:47David Sims?

  Right. That's, is that, that, that makes sense.

• 3:49Griffin Newman?

  Because there was a tweet going around that was semi-viral of like, why are they producing the evil toy?

• 3:54David Sims?

  It was basically a version of, you know, the classic, like, at long last, we've created the torment nexus, famous from the novel, do not create the torment nexus. At long last, we've created the, uh, the Lily Pad from the famous movie, do not create the Lily Pad.

• 4:08Griffin Newman?

  Well, because, right, it's like, obviously, you make toys of villains, but this is saying, we made the device for real, the device that breaks Bonnie's brain.

• 4:17David Sims?

  Says is right, is a flawed, uh, device.

• 4:20Griffin Newman?

  Now, I want to clarify, there are two main Lily Pad toys. There's this, which is just an iPad case that you put your own tablet into.

• 4:27David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 4:27Griffin Newman?

  So, in that case, don't, don't hate the case, hate the tablet, right? If the tablet's causing psychological damage.

• 4:34David Sims?

  But sure, yeah.

• 4:36Griffin Newman?

  The other one is like a super nerfed down dumb, like, learn your ABCs LED tablet.

• 4:42David Sims?

  I assume it does not have social network.

• 4:43Griffin Newman?

  They have held off from making anything that dangerous. Yes, yes. Um, but we will, I will give these to you on social, Marie. The Snappy I have, the camera character, breakout, breakout star of the new film, um, it is a functional camera. I have been taking stealth pics the last couple of weeks, including a Snappy version of Stavi, of Tracy Letts. I have some very goofy pictures on this low-quality digital camera.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  I can't wait, I can't wait to, how do we get them off?

• 5:13Griffin Newman?

  Uh, well, much like in this movie, you got hardwire. You gotta plug it in.

• 5:18Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 5:19Griffin Newman?

  The double A gang, they all, they all need cables.

• 5:22Speaker 02

  Um, oh my God, what was I going to ask you? I had another Toy Story related question.

• 5:26David Sims?

  Just so overwhelmed.

• 5:27Griffin Newman?

  Was it, do the shoes light up? They don't.

• 5:32Griffin Newman?

  You saw a post that the shoes lit up, and I want to make it clear, those were the child versions, and I bought the adult versions.

• 5:37David Sims?

  They don't let the adult versions light up? I wonder why.

• 5:39Griffin Newman?

  No, thank God I am one size over being a child, footwise.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  What size?

• 5:44Griffin Newman?

  I think I'm seven and a half. It depends on how much flexibility I want wiggle room.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  I think I'm a men's five.

• 5:48Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 5:50Speaker 02

  Um.

• 5:50Griffin Newman?

  What were you gonna ask?

• 5:51Speaker 02

  I was going to ask, how old is Bonnie?

• 5:54Griffin Newman?

  Bonnie?

• 5:54David Sims?

  She's eight and a half in this film.

• 5:56Griffin Newman?

  And Blaze is supposed to be about nine, nine and a half, I think.

• 5:59David Sims?

  They say she's nine. I, you know, uh, she's eight and a half in this film. In Toy Story 4, she's, uh, starting kindergarten, so I would assume she's five.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 6:06Griffin Newman?

  Okay, so three, three years in change.

• 6:08Speaker 02

  I think it should be illegal.

• 6:10Griffin Newman?

  Hmm.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  For.

• 6:11David Sims?

  Illegal, she says.

• 6:12Speaker 02

  Illegal for eight and a half-year-olds to text.

• 6:16Griffin Newman?

  Well, yeah.

• 6:17Speaker 02

  Other people.

• 6:18David Sims?

  You know, there's, Britain's bringing in a ban. It's, it's the future of the world.

• 6:23Speaker 02

  We all saw this film together.

• 6:24David Sims?

  Basically, like a smartphone ban for any kid under 16 is, sort, seems to be the sort of future.

• 6:29Speaker 02

  At one point, David, you screamed, this is a movie about.

• 6:32David Sims?

  I didn't scream. I whispered it to you.

• 6:34Speaker 02

  But it was a loud whisper. It was, this movie's about bad parenting.

• 6:38David Sims?

  I was, I was feeling a little judgmental of Bonnie's parents.

• 6:41Griffin Newman?

  You were getting worked up. You would have done it differently.

• 6:42Speaker 02

  I was really upset by how all the kids just talking to strangers on the internet.

• 6:47David Sims?

  Yeah, it's just, it's just one of those things where they're like, I don't know, we got into this thing, and I'm like, you know, read the manual before you maybe hand your child a smart tablet.

• 6:56Griffin Newman?

  It's like Club Penguin, where you're like, this is a closed-loop, safe space only for children, and then, of course, there have been 15 years of like, Club Penguin lawsuits.

• 7:05Speaker 02

  Of course!

• 7:06David Sims?

  But also, Club Penguin was in, like, the beginning days of this, and this is just, you know, Bonnie's parents, I just have a lot of questions about Bonnie. Love Bonnie.

• 7:15Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Bonnie is, Bonnie is a genius.

• 7:17Griffin Newman?

  She's an incredible kid.

• 7:19David Sims?

  Look, here's the thing that's working against them.

• 7:22Griffin Newman?

  Mm-hmm.

• 7:23David Sims?

  They live in a world of sentient toys who are plotting at all times to do all kinds of shit that they don't know about. So that's.

• 7:28Speaker 02

  So true.

• 7:29David Sims?

  I don't have to deal with that. I have to deal with a lot of stuff as a parent. The toys are not alive and working possibly against me.

• 7:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, you don't know!

• 7:37David Sims?

  I actually do know, because I'm a grown-up, yeah, with, you know, sort of a rational brain, yeah.

• 7:42Griffin Newman?

  This is hubris that is gonna bite you in the butt.

• 7:45David Sims?

  When the toys turn out to be alive?

• 7:47Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 7:47David Sims?

  Okay.

• 7:47Griffin Newman?

  It is, uh, it is well-established that Bonnie's dad is a dope, and the toys love fucking with him in particular.

• 7:53David Sims?

  In the fourth one, I feel like that's a big narrative.

• 7:55Griffin Newman?

  They find it fun.

• 7:56David Sims?

  I mean, they get the cops called on them.

• 7:58Speaker 02

  They almost killed that whole family.

• 8:00Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 8:00David Sims?

  Yeah, they're like driving the car and all that in the fourth one.

• 8:04Speaker 02

  Into a crowd of people.

• 8:05David Sims?

  Right.

• 8:05Griffin Newman?

  I think it is the greatest bit this movie has as a sort of like, large, global bit across the film. There are four movies where the toys have to be so strategic about what they do to not break the rules of the world, and in this one, they're like, no one's paying attention. No one's paying attention, and if they see something.

• 8:22David Sims?

  That is their hack a little bit.

• 8:23Griffin Newman?

  They'll lie to themselves.

• 8:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, people are so addicted to computers.

• 8:26David Sims?

  Seems like the rules are that they just kind of automatically shut down when they're seen. Well, it's always been true, but I would say they break it more and more, and by this point, they're kind of breaking it a lot, like. You know, the toys are kind of animate unless they are truly in like, the hands of a child.

• 8:42Griffin Newman?

  The film points a finger at a lingering question from the first movie, which is.

• 8:46David Sims?

  It does answer a question.

• 8:46Griffin Newman?

  Why does Buzz shut down if he thinks he's not a toy?

• 8:50David Sims?

  It, like, it's a question people have always had, and this movie is sort of acknowledging.

• 8:55Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 8:55David Sims?

  Really cool people.

• 8:56Griffin Newman?

  Cool, smart people in this film, some of the greatest minds.

• 8:58David Sims?

  Even though Buzz, for some reason, is not blessed with the knowledge that he is a toy that most toys seem to be blessed with, he still has the subconscious need to go limp.

• 9:09Griffin Newman?

  And what's the internal logic there? And I don't think they gild the Lily Pad on that one. I think it's a pretty simple one-line solution.

• 9:14David Sims?

  I think I'm gonna go.

• 9:15Griffin Newman?

  Nope, you're staying.

• 9:16David Sims?

  Oh, no, wait a second. What are these bindings on my hands?

• 9:19Griffin Newman?

  This is the bed we made!

• 9:22David Sims?

  It's not the bed we made.

• 9:23Griffin Newman?

  It is.

• 9:24David Sims?

  You, you said that on a prior stand-in episode. One person made the bed. There's one bedmaker in the room right now. Although you don't strike me as a person that makes. Their bed.

• 9:35Griffin Newman?

  You know what? I do like constructing things.

• 9:38David Sims?

  No, we, we, we mean, we don't mean making a bed out of like wood. We mean like making your bed.

• 9:43Speaker 02

  Making your bed.

• 9:44David Sims?

  The fact that he interpreted that way is all we need to know.

• 9:48Speaker 02

  A smidgen. Griffin, can I?

• 9:50Griffin Newman?

  Depends, it depends on the day. It depends on the day. It's a big depends on the day.

• 9:52Speaker 02

  Can I ask you a question?

• 9:54Griffin Newman?

  Please.

• 9:54Speaker 02

  Because I don't think any of us have ever been to where you live.

• 9:57Griffin Newman?

  Uh huh.

• 9:57David Sims?

  Right.

• 9:58Speaker 02

  Do you have like novelty sheets?

• 10:00Griffin Newman?

  No, no, no, no, no. I have grown up bed sheets.

• 10:02David Sims?

  Oh, grown up bed sheets?

• 10:03Speaker 02

  I honestly don't. I gotta say, I'm a little surprised.

• 10:06Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. Bed Threads, I can call out the company, Bed Threads. I was, I was always a Brooklinen guy and then I feel like they haven't sponsored the podcast in a while.

• 10:15David Sims?

  Fuck them. Sorry, come on back, Brooklinen.

• 10:17Griffin Newman?

  Please, we love you.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  Please, Brooklinen. I need to get a new duvet.

• 10:21David Sims?

  Let's not go there with it.

• 10:22Griffin Newman?

  A very good company called Bed Threads, Romly gifted me and then I've bought some additional stuff from them.

• 10:26Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 10:26Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. It's a, it's a mature brown and cream linen.

• 10:31Speaker 02

  Okay, feels, still feels very Woody coded to me.

• 10:34Griffin Newman?

  Maybe subtly, maybe very subtly.

• 10:36Speaker 02

  Maybe you can add some like red and yellow throw pillows.

• 10:40Griffin Newman?

  Uh, sure.

• 10:41Speaker 02

  Kind of like Disney bound your bed.

• 10:42Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  A bit.

• 10:44Griffin Newman?

  Ben, to answer your question, the other toys choose to shut down so as not to be caught, right? And obviously in the first movie, they willingly break the rule because Woody reveals himself to be alive to Sid in order to save the day, right? But it feels like it's more like a moral code kind of thing. And Buzz always would just go into seemingly hypersleep without it being acknowledged. And in this one, there is the moment where the human guard comes when they're by the docks.

• 11:10David Sims?

  The future Buzzes.

• 11:11Griffin Newman?

  The tech buzzes, the high tech buzzes. And they go like, why did we just shut down?

• 11:15David Sims?

  Yeah, right.

• 11:15Griffin Newman?

  But they basically say that it's like a defensive protective maneuver in Star Command programming or whatever.

• 11:22David Sims?

  Okay.

• 11:23Griffin Newman?

  That they enter like a shutdown mode in self-defense. And then they start to unpack what's going on, you know?

• 11:29David Sims?

  Yeah. I think I should buy some more Knicks gear.

• 11:31Griffin Newman?

  I'm trying to remember what movie this episode is about. Oh, Toy Story 5.

• 11:36David Sims?

  So what's the podcast?

• 11:36Griffin Newman?

  Blank Check with Griffin and David. I'm Griffin.

• 11:38David Sims?

  I'm David.

• 11:39Griffin Newman?

  It's a podcast about filmographies, directors who have massive success early on in their careers and are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want. And sometimes in one year, they make the least existent film of 2026 going straight to Hulu.

• 11:55David Sims?

  This is true. No offense to it. I mean, maybe a smidge of offense to it, but uh.

• 12:00Griffin Newman?

  And then within mere months.

• 12:02David Sims?

  Within the blink of an eye, one might say.

• 12:04Griffin Newman?

  Yes. Uh, have another movie open over like a hundred and fifty million dollars domestic.

• 12:09David Sims?

  It sure seems like it might not hit two hundred, but it's gonna do a very solid one fifty plus.

• 12:15Griffin Newman?

  It did seventeen point five Thursday night.

• 12:17David Sims?

  Very good preview numbers for a movie that is, I don't know if you know this.

• 12:22Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 12:22David Sims?

  For children.

• 12:23Griffin Newman?

  It's for children.

• 12:24Speaker 02

  Allegedly.

• 12:24Griffin Newman?

  The only animated film that has beaten that as a Thursday preview is Incredibles 2, which made a hundred and eighty-two open.

• 12:31David Sims?

  Is the current record holder for animated film.

• 12:33Griffin Newman?

  And it beat it by one million. Yes. Right? That did, Inside Out 2 didn't beat it.

• 12:39David Sims?

  No.

• 12:39Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 12:40David Sims?

  Inside Out 2 was just this incredible moment.

• 12:42Griffin Newman?

  The hold.

• 12:43David Sims?

  Well, the hold was, but no, no, it was this moment where everything had been opening poorly.

• 12:47Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 12:47David Sims?

  And people were like, for like three months.

• 12:49Griffin Newman?

  The box office is dead.

• 12:50David Sims?

  People were back to like, movies are over.

• 12:52Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 12:52David Sims?

  And then Inside Out 2 was coming out and everyone was like, no one even cares about this. The trailers have been kind of whatever. And then it opened huge and everyone was like, oh, well, alright. You know, like, and it was sort of the start of people being like, well, I guess some stuff does work. And then more and more stuff started working and.

• 13:06Griffin Newman?

  I mean, this is.

• 13:07David Sims?

  It's kind of turned around.

• 13:08Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. Toy Story 4 had a twelve million preview. They were projecting last night that this was doing thirteen, fourteen and it came in.

• 13:15David Sims?

  It came in higher.

• 13:16Griffin Newman?

  Many millions above that.

• 13:17David Sims?

  So I love it.

• 13:18Griffin Newman?

  It feels like it's overperforming. In a year where the box office is doing great, and not only that, there is a robust variety of different types of movies.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  I love the movies.

• 13:27David Sims?

  I love the movies.

• 13:29Speaker 02

  We loved the movies.

• 13:30Griffin Newman?

  There was people pocket watching Disclosure Day because they were like, it feels like they're not even trying to advertise this to Gen Z. And then it opened and in the opening weekend, which was above estimates or above projections.

• 13:42David Sims?

  Right.

• 13:42Griffin Newman?

  Then they were like, oh, and look at the exit tracking. It was seventy-five percent over thirty. And I'm like, what's the problem here?

• 13:48David Sims?

  Fucking one.

• 13:48Griffin Newman?

  Every movie doesn't have to be for everyone.

• 13:51David Sims?

  Right.

• 13:51Griffin Newman?

  They successfully got fifty year olds to go to the movies? Good.

• 13:55David Sims?

  I agree. I, there was, there's just a really funny post on the Blankies right and I wanted to find it, but it's, it's, I don't know where it ended up, but someone.

• 14:05Griffin Newman?

  We've been talking about the films of Andrew Stan.

• 14:07David Sims?

  We have, we have. And the mini-series is of course called.

• 14:10Griffin Newman?

  Pod C.

• 14:11Speaker 02

  Pod C.

• 14:12Griffin Newman?

  Pod C.

• 14:13David Sims?

  Someone just said that the Star Wars, the Mandalorian and Grogu standee had tipped over at their. And someone just posted the Mandalorian and I just haven't really gotten it.

• 14:24Griffin Newman?

  That's what it feels like.

• 14:25David Sims?

  The movies are back in Mandalorian. It's just like on the, like face down and everyone's like, who cares?

• 14:30Griffin Newman?

  There couldn't be a better failure amongst the successes. And it's not even that I have spite for that movie, but it just represents every bad habit of studio filmmaking for the last fifteen, twenty years.

• 14:41David Sims?

  Even you're not quite beloved, but you're some, you know, Masters of the Universe, which you sort of enjoyed.

• 14:46Griffin Newman?

  I enjoy.

• 14:47David Sims?

  I haven't seen it yet.

• 14:48Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 14:48David Sims?

  But like that one too, it's just kind of like, nope, this form, this rulebook is gonna get tossed like.

• 14:54Griffin Newman?

  I don't think it's bad for that movie to flop. I think it's probably beneficial to the movie culture.

• 14:58David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 14:59Griffin Newman?

  And in fact, everything I dislike about that movie is the stuff.

• 15:02David Sims?

  Is the formula stuff.

• 15:03Griffin Newman?

  Is the formula stuff that is, I think, causing it to, to fail and that I think we need to get, wash out of the system.

• 15:10David Sims?

  I still think, obviously, you know, it seems Spider-Man will do well. Some of these things are gonna.

• 15:14Griffin Newman?

  Well, and we're today talking about the fifth film in a franchise.

• 15:17David Sims?

  And we're talking about Toy Story 5.

• 15:19Griffin Newman?

  That is potentially gonna break records for the franchise.

• 15:22David Sims?

  Is a movie that I think is successful and, and very enjoyable, but

• 15:28David Sims?

  obviously, I'm, I'm happy you have it and I'm happy people have it.

• 15:32Griffin Newman?

  Easy.

• 15:33David Sims?

  I don't, I don't think it really, it does not quite justify its existence if, if you, you know, if you point a gun at me.

• 15:40Griffin Newman?

  Sure.

• 15:40David Sims?

  I'm like, I don't know that it really added enough new that we had to have it, but at least it's good and at least it's doing well and it's well made. And I'm like, I'm kind of basically like, it's all good. But I wasn't like, wow, yeah, they had a whole, you know, sort of room in the Toy Story world that they'd never explored. I'm like, I feel like we're, we're hitting a lot of the stuff we've thought about before in Toy Story, but that's okay.

• 16:02Griffin Newman?

  Here's what I'll say. I think I put the other four above it. I rate four much higher than most people.

• 16:09David Sims?

  I do two.

• 16:10Griffin Newman?

  You like three less than this.

• 16:11David Sims?

  I think I put this over three. I just don't like three.

• 16:14Speaker 02

  I rewatched three and four after we saw five and four grew in my estimation.

• 16:19Griffin Newman?

  Four I just love.

• 16:20David Sims?

  Four is great.

• 16:21Griffin Newman?

  But four is very controversial.

• 16:23David Sims?

  Yeah, whatever.

• 16:24Griffin Newman?

  The things on the Reddit you would not believe.

• 16:26David Sims?

  I, I would.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  The Toy Story Reddit?

• 16:28Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, where people call Bonnie a, and I quote.

• 16:30David Sims?

  The Normal Zone? C'mon.

• 16:32Speaker 02

  What?

• 16:34Griffin Newman?

  Someone did the Anthony, I almost said this to Ben before the record and then I said, I'm, when we were in the theater and I was like, I'm gonna save this for the on mic response. Ben is stunned silent.

• 16:44David Sims?

  I don't think that's acceptable. I think that person should apologize.

• 16:47Speaker 02

  I also just want to say that.

• 16:48David Sims?

  To the cartoon character Bonnie.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  Before you got here, I was telling Ben and David that I have spent some time on the Toy Story Reddit recently and.

• 16:57Griffin Newman?

  Deranged place.

• 16:58Speaker 02

  It's a really, it's a really sad place.

• 17:00Griffin Newman?

  Sad and scary.

• 17:01David Sims?

  I used to be on the Bluey Reddit because I just wanted to know like when new episodes were dropping. And after a little while, I was like, I think I cannot see even just headlines from this thing anymore. These people are out of their mind. Cause three quarters of them are like, childless adult here, but I love Bluey more than I love my own, you know, family. And you're just like, oh my God.

• 17:21Speaker 02

  Right. It's a, it's a, you know, it's a special interest or whatever, but like my, I, I wasn't getting like calling a child the C word vibes from the Reddit. I was getting more like, I am like, you know, a thirty year old man and I'm trying to decide what, which of my toys to bring with me to the theater.

• 17:39Griffin Newman?

  I would say that's half of the Reddit.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 17:42Griffin Newman?

  I would say that's half and that's the sweet half.

• 17:45David Sims?

  And that's the sweet half.

• 17:46Griffin Newman?

  That's the well intentioned.

• 17:47David Sims?

  That's the, that's the emphasis I'd put on that.

• 17:50Griffin Newman?

  That is the innocuous. I'm not saying sweet. I'm saying like, that's the like, oh, that's sweet.

• 17:55David Sims?

  I understand that it's not at least malevolent, but it's maybe a little.

• 17:58Griffin Newman?

  You know the Anthony Bourdain meme about Henry Kissinger where it's like, you read about what he did and you're gonna want to attack him with a hammer at a restaurant or whatever.

• 18:06David Sims?

  Correct, yes.

• 18:08Griffin Newman?

  People, someone recently posted that with Bonnie where when you.

• 18:12David Sims?

  Just, it's once you've been to Cambodia, you'll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands is the, is the Bourdain line.

• 18:18Griffin Newman?

  And it was, once you read the full, you know what it was? It wasn't even the full plot breakdown. It was that the little golden book had shipped. So people were breaking down the spoilers from the story from the children's book adaptation. And it was replacement. Once you read the little golden book adaptation of Toy Story 5, you'll never stop wanting to beat Bonnie to death with a hammer.

• 18:39Speaker 02

  What?

• 18:40David Sims?

  Why?

• 18:41Griffin Newman?

  They don't like, they're like, Bonnie is disrespectful to the toys.

• 18:45Speaker 02

  What?

• 18:45David Sims?

  She's a child who doesn't know they're alive. Okay, alright, I think we gotta.

• 18:50Speaker 02

  I'm like.

• 18:51David Sims?

  We gotta, we gotta pivot away from.

• 18:52Speaker 02

  No, I'm like actually really upset by all of it.

• 18:55David Sims?

  They're maniacs on the internet.

• 18:57Griffin Newman?

  They're maniacs on the internet.

• 18:58David Sims?

  And what they don't understand, of course, is that Andy is a cuck loser and Bonnie rocks.

• 19:01Speaker 02

  Andy is absolutely a cuck loser.

• 19:04Griffin Newman?

  With every increasing film, Andy is found dead in a ditch. Bonnie is such a champion.

• 19:08David Sims?

  Especially because like the plots of the, you know, like the first, you know, the Andy movies, you know, the way he plays. Well, basically.

• 19:16Griffin Newman?

  Pretty uninspired.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  It's so uninspired.

• 19:18David Sims?

  The way they portray Bonnie playing. Her imagination. It's so fun. Now, I mean, I think they also realize as they made these movies like, oh, right, that's interesting. We should have more and more fun with that. You know, like depicting the play or whatever.

• 19:33Griffin Newman?

  But the first two, you only see it from the outside.

• 19:36David Sims?

  There's a bad guy and then Woody and Buzz fucking kill him.

• 19:39Griffin Newman?

  Evil Doctor Porkchop.

• 19:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:40Griffin Newman?

  Or one I bought.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  One of the baddest guys of all time.

• 19:43Griffin Newman?

  He's a terrible man. Well, I mean, once you read.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  He's a terrible bank.

• 19:46Griffin Newman?

  Once you read about what Evil Doctor Porkchop did, you'll never want to stop beating him to death with a hammer. And if you beat him to death with a hammer, you'll get a bunch of coins. Inside of him.

• 19:56Griffin Newman?

  Today, we're talking Toy Story 5, directed by Andrew Stanton, which is a fascinating case of a fifth film in a franchise directed by someone who's directed none of the previous, but has quietly kind of been the author of this whole franchise.

• 20:09David Sims?

  He's always had a hand.

• 20:10Griffin Newman?

  Yes. Three's the one he's least involved in.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  The author?

• 20:13Griffin Newman?

  In so many ways, he was, I mean, he's certainly been the dominant-

• 20:17David Sims?

  Griffin is also trying to erase the participation of one hugging fella.

• 20:20Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. Here's my thing with lots of hug in Lassiter. You look at the movies he made where he didn't have everyone working with him, and you're like, huh, where is the juice?

• 20:30Speaker 02

  Is that Cars? Is that what we're talking about? Or does Cars not even count there?

• 20:33Griffin Newman?

  But, but also like the fucking, uh, uh, Skydance animated films that he's now overseeing.

• 20:39David Sims?

  Yeah, but he's not, he's not even directing. I, I think John Lasseter was quite vital to the original Toy Stories, I assume.

• 20:45Griffin Newman?

  No question.

• 20:46David Sims?

  But Stanton was always involved, you're saying?

• 20:48Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 20:48David Sims?

  In Three's, in, with Three?

• 20:50Griffin Newman?

  Three's the one he's least involved in.

• 20:51David Sims?

  It's the worst one.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  You know what? That was my take, rewatching it.

• 20:55Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 20:55Speaker 02

  It, it, it's so nasty.

• 20:58David Sims?

  I mean, I've, I've ranted about it before, like, I just, yeah. I think it's a movie that's just like about grownups feeling guilty or about growing up, whatever, and I'm like, you need to take a pill and relax, like, calm down. I also think the moment where they're all gonna die in the furnace sucks, and is ruined by a stupid Deus Ex Machina that makes no sense.

• 21:16Speaker 02

  It makes no sense.

• 21:17David Sims?

  The whole thing sucks. That movie is stupid, and now Tarantino's out here being like, "Nah, nah, nah, that's the best movie ever made. Why'd they ever make more? Please come on our podcast, Quentin. I respect a lot of the movies you've made, but you're also annoying."

• 21:28Speaker 02

  He's too busy hanging out in Tel Aviv.

• 21:29David Sims?

  Yep, that's right.

• 21:29Griffin Newman?

  Maybe someday we'll tell you what movie he almost did on this podcast.

• 21:33David Sims?

  Let's keep going.

• 21:34Griffin Newman?

  But we're not gonna talk about it today. It is this weird thing, though, where, right, there's a portion of people who also are just like, "That is the best ending the franchise will ever have, and it is disgusting." David is putting a middle finger up.

• 21:46David Sims?

  To, to that person, to the straw man.

• 21:48Griffin Newman?

  And then he's successfully pivoted to a straw man.

• 21:50David Sims?

  F you, straw man.

• 21:51Griffin Newman?

  Here's the thing I like about this movie, and this is sort of the, the internal battle of what you're saying. This is the first one to not even attempt to be an ending since Two.

• 22:02David Sims?

  Totally. Right. Yes, exactly. Four still had that responsibility, it seemed, where they were like, "Well, I guess we'll make it a goodbye to Woody."

• 22:09Griffin Newman?

  People are so upset at the idea that we're ruining the sanctity of the Three ending, that we need to have an ending that's similarly kind of emotional and built around closure. And this one is like, who are we fucking kidding? You know, I-

• 22:22David Sims?

  We'll probably keep making these as long as, right.

• 22:24Griffin Newman?

  Dana Walden said recently that this is the most streamed franchise on Disney+.

• 22:31David Sims?

  Can confirm, from my household.

• 22:33Griffin Newman?

  Right. Above any other Disney, Pixar, Marvel, Star Wars thing. This is so infinitely valuable to them. These characters are so beyond evergreen, that this movie does feel, in certain ways, a little bit more like the Toy Story shorts and Toy Story of Terror, which I love, where it's just like, "Let's just have another adventure." Right?

• 22:51David Sims?

  Yeah, basically. It's got a, it's got a defined angle.

• 22:55Griffin Newman?

  It does.

• 22:56David Sims?

  Which I think is smart, and it's cleaning up some nerd business.

• 23:00Griffin Newman?

  It does some good cleanup.

• 23:01David Sims?

  For you nerds.

• 23:01Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 23:02David Sims?

  Out there. I'm taking my daughter to it on Sunday.

• 23:05Speaker 02

  Wait, what screening are you going to?

• 23:07David Sims?

  Night, hon.

• 23:07Speaker 02

  When?

• 23:08David Sims?

  I think noon.

• 23:10Griffin Newman?

  Cause we're going with the oryx at 11.

• 23:12David Sims?

  I thought you were leaving.

• 23:14Griffin Newman?

  That night, red eye.

• 23:15David Sims?

  No, I'm going, taking her Sunday.

• 23:17Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, we're going Sunday.

• 23:18David Sims?

  Okay, well, and, and no, I won't be at that one. I think it's noon. It's, sorry. But, um, I wonder what she will make of-

• 23:26Speaker 02

  I'm constantly questioning what kids, like, get out of, especially this movie.

• 23:34David Sims?

  What will she make of the big tech message of, of the kind of like, "Kids should play like this, not like this"? Cause it's like, this is a little old for, like, you know, like that, I don't know that my daughter has thought too hard so far about, like, socializing, right? You know, which is a big part of this movie.

• 23:46Griffin Newman?

  Your daughter's very Bonnie-coded in a lot of ways. Your daughter reminds me of Bonnie.

• 23:49David Sims?

  That, that, that's totally fair. I know what you mean about how she plays, but, you know, this is heavy for a five-year-old. I'm not sure it'll translate. And I'm almost certain, and again, she's five, so like, you know, she's not the only viewer of this movie, that she will not understand the Jesse, the, the big Jesse plot. I think that's gonna go completely over her head, to the point of confusion.

• 24:11Griffin Newman?

  Interesting, but she's seen two.

• 24:13David Sims?

  Yeah, she's not gonna get it. She's not gonna get the, that, like, Jesse named her daughter after a toy. Like, that's just not gonna make sense to her.

• 24:19Griffin Newman?

  I love that so much.

• 24:21David Sims?

  That's, that's the one thing in this movie that I didn't like, but, but we, we could talk about it.

• 24:26Griffin Newman?

  That emotionally devastated me, and I thought in a way that was not overstated, which I appreciate, that they didn't make too much of a meal out of the moment. And that it's not the ending point.

• 24:35David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 24:36Griffin Newman?

  That it is a beat.

• 24:37David Sims?

  It's a beat.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  Are you going to name your potential future child after a toy?

• 24:43Griffin Newman?

  I had always said I was gonna name my kids Brewster and Ripley.

• 24:46David Sims?

  After a movie.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  Brewster and Ripley?

• 24:49Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, after Ellen Ripley and Brewster McCloud.

• 24:51David Sims?

  They're called after Ellen Ripley.

• 24:54Griffin Newman?

  Or Ellen Degeneres.

• 24:56David Sims?

  That's so true.

• 24:56Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, I could, I could name my child Little Ellen.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  Or David's mom.

• 25:00David Sims?

  Yeah, sure, an, an homage to a great woman, if you, if you so choose.

• 25:05Griffin Newman?

  Right, I should name my child after David. Why had I considered that?

• 25:08David Sims?

  I'm not sure that Ripley's, I'm, I'm trying to remember when Ripley's first name becomes, is Ripley's name in the first Alien? I forget.

• 25:15Griffin Newman?

  Ellen, you mean?

• 25:16David Sims?

  Yes. I, I, like, does Cameron give her a fir-, you know what I mean? Like, is in the first movie, like, everyone's got, like, a last name, and like, you don't really know much about them.

• 25:25Griffin Newman?

  See the readouts.

• 25:26David Sims?

  You might. I, I, I don't remember.

• 25:27Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. I, my, my memory, she's, she's Ellen from the beginning.

• 25:31David Sims?

  Let's find out.

• 25:32Griffin Newman?

  I'm Ellen.

• 25:33Speaker 02

  I mean, I think it's definitely harder for young boys to have toys that have, like, names that you would give your child, like, Bionicle, you know, like-

• 25:41David Sims?

  Well, if you call your child Bionicle, like, you get put on a little list on, for the government, you know? They just keep a eye on you.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  Meanwhile, my favorite toy was named Samantha Parkington, which is a totally normal name for a girl.

• 25:54Griffin Newman?

  Bionicle's also the name of the property. It's not the name of a character.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  Okay, what are the names of the characters?

• 25:58David Sims?

  Yeah, please name a Bionicle, please.

• 26:00Griffin Newman?

  I'm looking it up.

• 26:02David Sims?

  Uh, but I wonder, I wonder what she will make of it. I'm very interested to see. I'm very, like, intrigued to know what, what her, what her take will be if she has one. She also might just kind of be like, you know, uh, "That was great." Like, Jesse and Forky and all my friends were in a movie, and I had a great time.

• 26:18Griffin Newman?

  The magic of these movies, though, is that they move fast enough and they're bright enough, and there is the sort of cheat code they have of, "Oh, you can, like, explore existential themes because your movie stars a cowboy, a spaceman, and a dinosaur."

• 26:30David Sims?

  And they're fun.

• 26:30Griffin Newman?

  Visually, you know?

• 26:32David Sims?

  But it's, I do think it's why she, she likes Three the least, cause Three is the, the, kind of the slowest, and kind of the most about, like, the experience of grownups. Like, so it's a little, it's a little, it's her least favorite. She never asks for it.

• 26:44Griffin Newman?

  It's my least favorite. I, I guess I would, I think I do put this above Three.

• 26:48David Sims?

  Wow, wow, he changes rankings.

• 26:50Griffin Newman?

  I'm, I'm like, I'm working on it in real time. I've certainly, I've only seen this movie twice. And it's been a mad rush to see it twice.

• 26:58David Sims?

  Really?

• 26:58Speaker 02

  Griffin's seen this movie twice, and it technically was released last night.

• 27:02Griffin Newman?

  Yes, and I'm, I'm only holding two more sets of tickets.

• 27:05David Sims?

  I also saw it twice.

• 27:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm sorry.

• 27:06David Sims?

  I went with, with Griffin to both screenings.

• 27:08Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 27:09David Sims?

  You sure did?

• 27:10Griffin Newman?

  I did.

• 27:11David Sims?

  You're saying this like you're admitting it to the police.

• 27:14Griffin Newman?

  We walked out of the theater of the preview screening, and you said, "Is there a way to see that again before we record? Cause I would like to."

• 27:21David Sims?

  Oh, like, after the screening, because our screening was, uh, you know, we're recording this. Right when the movie's coming out.

• 27:26Speaker 03

  Really enjoyed it, and I really connected with the, the message of talking about technology.

• 27:32David Sims?

  Yeah, yeah, totally.

• 27:33Speaker 03

  In our contemporary society.

• 27:35David Sims?

  But what if they make a Toy Story about how podcasts are bad? Then we're fucked. The Toy Story Six is like Bonnie's listening to too much podcasts.

• 27:42Griffin Newman?

  Toy Story Six should be the toys start doing a podcast and pretend they're humans.

• 27:47David Sims?

  Right, and then, but they, so they have to, like, hide their identities and then hire actors to play them.

• 27:51Griffin Newman?

  Trying to push them to pivot to video, and they're like, "Fuck."

• 27:54Speaker 02

  Oh my god, Griffin, I love this. Yes, because it's building off of what we established in Toy Story 5, which is now the toys can communicate through text.

• 28:04David Sims?

  I don't think you learn Ellen's name until, uh, the Cameron one. There's no readout. There's no, like, moment where you, like, see a screen being like, "Dallas, Ripley," you know what I mean? So, like, I think they came up with that later.

• 28:15Griffin Newman?

  The other characters all have first names.

• 28:17David Sims?

  They have later given first names, but like, they're credited just as-

• 28:21Griffin Newman?

  In the uncredits?

• 28:22David Sims?

  Dallas, Ripley, Lambert, Brett, Kane, Cash, Parker.

• 28:26Griffin Newman?

  You're looking at the uncredits readout right now. Interesting.

• 28:28David Sims?

  And like, it kind of makes sense, because of course, famously Ripley was sort of written without a gender.

• 28:33Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 28:34David Sims?

  You know, and so maybe they, you know, didn't even think about it.

• 28:37Griffin Newman?

  I think, I think most of the characters were sort of, that was kind of the idea.

• 28:39David Sims?

  That was the idea, no gender, no race, or whatever.

• 28:41Griffin Newman?

  Right.

• 28:42David Sims?

  And then, like, obviously, in Cameron's film, he's like, "No, she's a mother, she's, you know, we're gonna get into all of this," uh, and she has a first name. But even in Aliens, I mean, how many times does she say, like, "I'm Ellen"? Like, does she say that to Newt? Like, I think she says, "I'm Ripley."

• 28:58Griffin Newman?

  Every time the DJ drops a track and she does a little dance to welcome her next guest, she goes, "I'm Ellen."

• 29:04Speaker 03

  Okay, before we lose the thread-

• 29:05David Sims?

  This has been an Ellen-centric series when you think about all the Dorys.

• 29:08Griffin Newman?

  I wonder why.

• 29:10David Sims?

  Yes, go ahead.

• 29:10Speaker 03

  You were discussing how your daughter's gonna react.

• 29:13David Sims?

  I wonder, yeah.

• 29:14Speaker 03

  And I'm wondering, just like with her and kids overall, how is the screen time of it all gonna connect with kids?

• 29:22Griffin Newman?

  Like, what is your daughter's relationship to tech?

• 29:26David Sims?

  Uh, she watches TV on an iPad and she knows that we often are like, that's enough TV on the iPad. I would say that is her only relationship to tech.

• 29:35Griffin Newman?

  She doesn't do anything else on the iPad.

• 29:36David Sims?

  No. She doesn't even really know how to use the iPad. Like, I know that that happens at a certain point that they kind of like, start to be like, oh, I get that if I, you know, scroll over to this and press this, I could-

• 29:47Griffin Newman?

  I can read Politico.

• 29:47David Sims?

  The most she can, which she loves.

• 29:49Griffin Newman?

  ProPublica.

• 29:50David Sims?

  And I'm just like, no, like, you know, you can't read that stuff. Like, Daily Wire, that's where you're gonna get your news.

• 29:56Griffin Newman?

  Fair and balanced.

• 29:57David Sims?

  Newsmax, right. No, she doesn't even know. She knows that if she, she knows how to press a button to make the next episode play. That's the most she's learned so far.

• 30:06Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 30:06David Sims?

  You know, when frickin' Peppa Pig is, you know, been spooling up.

• 30:12Griffin Newman?

  What is, what is the, the angle on Peppa? Why is that stuck around? I don't see the appeal.

• 30:17David Sims?

  I don't either. I'm not a fan. I don't like Peppa. Peppa herself?

• 30:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, she seems, she seems like a nice girl.

• 30:24David Sims?

  She's a bit naughty.

• 30:25Griffin Newman?

  Oh, okay, well now, interesting. She's a troublemaker?

• 30:29David Sims?

  Well, she likes jumping in muddy puddles.

• 30:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, so there you go.

• 30:32Griffin Newman?

  I get it now.

• 30:33David Sims?

  It's just one of those things in Peppa Pig where she's like, what are you like? And I'm, I'm like, making eggs in the morning, you know, for everyone. And I'm just like, I like jumping in muddy puddles. I'm like, saying it to myself. I'm like, it's all she fucking does.

• 30:44Griffin Newman?

  She says it every time she does?

• 30:45David Sims?

  It's like her catchphrase. It's like, I'm Peppa Pig and I like jumping in muddy puddles.

• 30:48Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 30:49Speaker 02

  I just really respect that there, that the animation style for Peppa Pig is so crude.

• 30:54David Sims?

  Yeah, it sure is.

• 30:55Griffin Newman?

  It's an interesting design style.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  I love that. As we're getting more and more like uncanny valley shit, like-

• 31:01David Sims?

  Well, yeah, that, right. I don't, I don't truck with the, right, the weirdly like low-stake CGI, human people. That sucks.

• 31:08Griffin Newman?

  Well, my friend Spike often refers to as cartoon shows that look like shampoo bottles.

• 31:12David Sims?

  Exactly, exactly, exactly. Just human slop. Whatever you wanna, like, Peppa Pig, yes, I'm like, this is artfully made in its way and it's got its bit. And I find it a little grating, but I'm not like, this is evil like Coco Melon or whatever. I'm like, it's fine. Yeah, they're British.

• 31:28Griffin Newman?

  From what, what kind of region? What's their accent?

• 31:30David Sims?

  They seem to sort of live in the countryside.

• 31:32Griffin Newman?

  Okay.

• 31:32David Sims?

  I also just find the dad kind of annoying.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  I don't like that-

• 31:37David Sims?

  He's kind of a buffoon. I don't like that he has the hairs.

• 31:39Speaker 02

  I don't like the hairs either. He needs to shave.

• 31:41David Sims?

  It makes sense because he's a pig.

• 31:42Griffin Newman?

  On his chinny chin chin?

• 31:43David Sims?

  Exactly. He's got the kind of like spiky hair.

• 31:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't like it.

• 31:46David Sims?

  Yeah, Ben likes it. You know, I'm so, you know, I'm a Bluey loyalist and Bluey is just so much better than Peppa, but Peppa's fine, you know?

• 31:54Speaker 02

  She's fine.

• 31:55David Sims?

  I like Peppa, I like Gabby. Like, I mean, I don't like Gabby, like, I don't like to watch it.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  Gabby is in like Gabby's Dollhouse.

• 32:00David Sims?

  Yeah, but I mean, like, my daughter likes Gabby and I'm like, Gabby's fine. She's all right. Exactly. It's a little, again, a little loud.

• 32:06Griffin Newman?

  When you leave the room, Gabby's like, listen, they're out to get us. The Great Replacement Theory.

• 32:13Griffin Newman?

  I guess that wouldn't make sense for Gabby.

• 32:14David Sims?

  Gabby is a person of color.

• 32:15Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, right, right.

• 32:16Speaker 02

  Ben, as, as someone who's going to, you know, start a family in the future, like, it's screen time is really something that, like, terrifies me is like-

• 32:26David Sims?

  Same.

• 32:27Speaker 02

  I'm like, do I become Ted Kaczynski?

• 32:30Griffin Newman?

  Hmm.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  The minute I have children.

• 32:31David Sims?

  Why, why must, why not just moderate? Why, why must you be Ted Kaczynski all of a sudden?

• 32:36Speaker 03

  I mean, as a parent, I really am interested.

• 32:40David Sims?

  It's not that hard.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  No, it's not hard now because she can't read.

• 32:44David Sims?

  Well, she's getting there, but yeah, sure. But what's your-

• 32:46Speaker 02

  It's gonna get harder when she's like-

• 32:48David Sims?

  You just don't let him have the tablets.

• 32:52Speaker 03

  But it's not-

• 32:53David Sims?

  You can put parental controls on it.

• 32:55Speaker 03

  Get so upset by the group chat.

• 32:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:58Speaker 03

  It really, it really, though, affected me. It made me feel like so much empathy, especially for younger generations.

• 33:06David Sims?

  Of course.

• 33:07Speaker 03

  And that this is just, from day one, they're growing up with dealing with all of this shit.

• 33:13David Sims?

  I, I, I will say, just to provide the more measured take as the only parent in the room, I think that the worst of it kind of already happened when there were parents who had no experience of their own with tech.

• 33:25Griffin Newman?

  I think you're right about this.

• 33:26David Sims?

  And we're kind of just letting kids, because it's like, oh, your friends have a cellphone, you can have one too. And now there's a lot more awareness. And like, my parent generation is a lot more kind of like, those things are like cigarettes. Like, you know, we're gonna keep them away as long as possible.

• 33:40Speaker 03

  Right, awesome.

• 33:43David Sims?

  Not addicted.

• 33:44Griffin Newman?

  Makes you badass.

• 33:45David Sims?

  You can give up any time.

• 33:45Griffin Newman?

  Doctors recommend.

• 33:48David Sims?

  And like, there's just a lot more hyper-awareness about that. Your kid, you know, obviously, this movie depicts essentially like very low stakes but mean bullying, right? And like, your kid will experience social stuff at school anyway. That sucks. But yeah, obviously, nobody should be socially networked. I shouldn't be. None of us should. None of us should barely be social. You see how they behave?

• 34:11Griffin Newman?

  If this movie had been made 10 years ago with this subject matter, it would have been a nightmare. I think this is the right point to make it because of what you're saying, where we are in the cultural bell curve. And it's sort of in this, like, we've all now kind of engaged with the worst of what this can be. It's also not going anywhere.

• 34:29David Sims?

  I, I always say this to like my friends who I made on Twitter, including this loser.

• 34:33Griffin Newman?

  This is true. The podcast wouldn't exist.

• 34:35David Sims?

  Like, I'm like, I'm like, in the future, gonna say to my daughter, like, oh yeah, you know, I made all these friends on Twitter. And she'll be like, the website that's illegal that elected Donald Trump?

• 34:44Griffin Newman?

  Which is old hell.

• 34:45David Sims?

  That's like, in history books is like, you know, a low point in society. I'm like, yeah, but you know, sometimes like there'd be good memes.

• 34:55David Sims?

  There's a lot of funny stuff on there.

• 34:57Griffin Newman?

  Drill was there?

• 34:58David Sims?

  Drill, yeah. You don't even know about horse ebooks.

• 35:00Griffin Newman?

  Oh my god, horse ebooks.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 35:02Griffin Newman?

  Oh my god.

• 35:04David Sims?

  And she'll, and it'll be like, you know, when our parents are like, oh yeah, back in the day, you would just leave the house at the age of five with a gun.

• 35:10Griffin Newman?

  Right.

• 35:11David Sims?

  You know, you just, you just get on your horse and ride into the woods and the parents assume they'd see you later.

• 35:16Griffin Newman?

  You do a quick standby me. You learn something from it.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  What was everyone's screen names?

• 35:22David Sims?

  Uh, I was Brother Fallout. I still am in a lot of things.

• 35:25Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, that's who you are on Reddit.

• 35:28David Sims?

  When I was really young, my first, my hotmail address was KingDazza2000.

• 35:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, there you go. This is what I'm talking about, KingDazza2000.

• 35:35David Sims?

  That's, uh, they let a 13-year-old pick his own email, you know, right?

• 35:38Griffin Newman?

  Uh, it came up in our recent Patreon episode, but after the release of A Bug's Life, I was briefly Flick Lover98.

• 35:47Griffin Newman?

  That's a little preview for free. And the full discussion can be found on Patreon.com slash Blanchet.

• 35:54David Sims?

  Please subscribe.

• 35:55Griffin Newman?

  Please subscribe. Um, but then I very quickly pivoted to I Am A Fool, Are You 12?

• 36:00Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 36:01Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 36:02David Sims?

  What's that? Is that a song lyric or something?

• 36:04Griffin Newman?

  It was a bit from, I think Mad Magazine had like a counterfeit money drawing and that was the serial number on it. And I thought it was really funny. I Am A Fool spelled out and then letter R, letter U, number one, number two. Which when I got older, read as I Am A Fool, Are You 12? Um, and then of course, in high school, I changed it to Fly Brewster Fly.

• 36:25David Sims?

  Yeah, right. That's, and that's a-

• 36:27Griffin Newman?

  Which was my original Twit, Twitter, Twit, Twit handle. David's opening five at the loudest bags.

• 36:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm like-

• 36:33David Sims?

  I need some-

• 36:34Speaker 02

  Can we get that Papa John's order in?

• 36:36David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 36:36Griffin Newman?

  Oh yeah, so Marie and I are gonna record some social videos after this.

• 36:40David Sims?

  These are terrible.

• 36:41Griffin Newman?

  What are they? What are you eating?

• 36:42Speaker 02

  Cookie Dough Bite?

• 36:42David Sims?

  Cookie Dough Bites, Jesus.

• 36:44Speaker 02

  No, thank you.

• 36:44Griffin Newman?

  Uh, Papa John's has three promotional pizzas right now, and I will read them. Space Ranger Rony. An intergalactic pizza mission awaits. This out-of-this-world personal pizza, that's what makes it intergalactic, that's out of this world. Has double pepperoni cheese and pizza sauce on original crust, served with rootin' tootin' ranch. So the pizza itself sounds pretty normal, other than of course, that hyper-special rootin' tootin'.

• 37:06Speaker 02

  The rootin' tootin' ranch.

• 37:07Griffin Newman?

  Ranch. Then we got Reach For The Pie. This ain't just any-

• 37:11David Sims?

  Not bad.

• 37:12Griffin Newman?

  Not bad at all. This ain't just any personal pizza. It's got Italian sausage, banana peppers, cheese and pizza sauce, served with, you guessed it-

• 37:20Speaker 02

  Rootin' tootin' ranch?

• 37:20Griffin Newman?

  Only in US markets. And then the third pie is Sheriff's Roundup. This personal pizza's got grilled chicken, onions, cheese and barbecue sauce on original crust. And interestingly enough, it comes with a side of, let me check my notes here, rootin' tootin' ranch, only in the US. In Canada, it's replaced with special garlic sauce.

• 37:38David Sims?

  You guessed it, Frank Stallone.

• 37:43Griffin Newman?

  Can, can you guess that rootin' tootin' ranch be my new, you guessed it Frank Stallone with any cast list?

• 37:49Speaker 02

  That's good. I'll have the, uh, the one with the banana peppers, please. Thank you.

• 37:52Griffin Newman?

  We're getting all three.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  Okay, great.

• 37:53David Sims?

  Yeah, we're gonna get them all. I'm just trying to figure it out, like, how, how to order.

• 37:56Speaker 02

  Okay, so, sorry, just to go back to this, my, my screen name, I had several screen names. One of them was Clothes Lover13.

• 38:05David Sims?

  Clothes, like one wears on one's body?

• 38:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, because I was into fashion.

• 38:09Griffin Newman?

  Hmm.

• 38:10David Sims?

  Well, there you go.

• 38:10Speaker 02

  Uh, and then Punky Monkey090 stuck around for a while. That was, that was like when I got into Green Day. And, uh, it was a combination of Green Day and, uh, God, what was the name of the?

• 38:25Griffin Newman?

  Blink 22?

• 38:25Speaker 02

  Paul Frank.

• 38:26Griffin Newman?

  Paul Frank?

• 38:27Speaker 02

  The, the little-

• 38:28Griffin Newman?

  Julius the Monkey?

• 38:29Speaker 02

  The Monkey.

• 38:30Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, wasn't his name Julius?

• 38:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I just was, I had all of that fucking shit.

• 38:33Griffin Newman?

  This makes sense. This checks out.

• 38:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it was a combination, combining my two interests. And Ben Hozley.

• 38:40Speaker 03

  I had briefly Cyber Ben85.

• 38:44David Sims?

  That's-

• 38:44Speaker 02

  That's really cool.

• 38:45Speaker 03

  Based off of the net.

• 38:46David Sims?

  Straight down the middle.

• 38:47Speaker 02

  That's really good.

• 38:48David Sims?

  And we were covering the net one day.

• 38:51Griffin Newman?

  When we do a John Avnet series?

• 38:53David Sims?

  I think there's a way to do a fun Patreon cyber, cyber series.

• 38:58Griffin Newman?

  Okay.

• 38:59David Sims?

  Sort of 90s cyber thrillers. Hackers, Lawn Mower Man, the net, you know, like-

• 39:04Griffin Newman?

  Do we put antitrust in there?

• 39:05David Sims?

  If you want. Never seen that one.

• 39:07Speaker 02

  Virtuosity?

• 39:09David Sims?

  I'm starting our order.

• 39:10Griffin Newman?

  You're pro-

• 39:10David Sims?

  Uh, yeah, throw, throw virtue.

• 39:11Griffin Newman?

  Excuse me, I'm doing the order because I, I have a, I have an account.

• 39:14David Sims?

  Just tell me what you're getting though, because how many are we getting here?

• 39:16Griffin Newman?

  I'm getting three pies, right?

• 39:18David Sims?

  No, I get four.

• 39:19Griffin Newman?

  You get four?

• 39:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:20David Sims?

  There's four people in this room.

• 39:20Speaker 02

  They're personal, they're personal.

• 39:22Griffin Newman?

  There's a Toy Story 5, create your own personal offer.

• 39:25David Sims?

  Oh, interesting. Yeah, let's, uh, all right, now, can we get the rootin' tootin' ranch though? Oh, we can, okay, thank god.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  I think our listeners are gonna love this.

• 39:33David Sims?

  I'm sorry, I haven't, I haven't had Papa Johnson, god knows how long. You can get Alfredo sauce on the side of your pizza? What kind of fucked up individual is like, you know what? This thing that has cheese in it really needs a little bit more of?

• 39:48Griffin Newman?

  What kind of fucked up individual? His name is Papa John Schlatter. We know he's one of the most fucked up men alive.

• 39:53David Sims?

  He is a smidgen fucked up.

• 39:54Griffin Newman?

  He eats 15 pizzas a day and he's made of sweat.

• 39:56David Sims?

  Get two of the Space Ranger Ronies.

• 39:58Griffin Newman?

  Okay.

• 39:58David Sims?

  Because that one's the most appealing to me anyway.

• 40:00Griffin Newman?

  Okay.

• 40:11Griffin Newman?

  David?

• 40:11David Sims?

  Yes.

• 40:12Griffin Newman?

  Mmm.

• 40:15David Sims?

  Is that the C S cow?

• 40:17Griffin Newman?

  The C S cow is back.

• 40:17David Sims?

  Haven't heard from her in a while.

• 40:19Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, she's reactivated because she's horny for chicken fingers.

• 40:24David Sims?

  Okay.

• 40:24Griffin Newman?

  And she's excited for the streaming debut of Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma.

• 40:29David Sims?

  Wow.

• 40:30Griffin Newman?

  The cow likes chicken.

• 40:32David Sims?

  Remember cow and chicken? Let's look it up while you tell the great listeners about the great stuff on movie.

• 40:38Griffin Newman?

  Well, Mubi is a global film company bringing great cinema to the world and to you. Curating and elevating visionary filmmaking, all handpicked, always. That's what Mubi does. Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma, one of my favorite movies of the year.

• 40:52David Sims?

  Absolutely.

• 40:53Griffin Newman?

  You can feel the rush now at home. There's a hole at the bottom of the lake where the movies come from.

• 40:58David Sims?

  That is a line in the movie.

• 41:00Griffin Newman?

  In the new movie from Jane Schombren, Past and Future Guest.

• 41:02David Sims?

  Past and Future Guest, a great filmmaker, a great podcast guest, a great friend.

• 41:07Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 41:08David Sims?

  This movie rocks. It's got, of course, it stars Hannah Einbinder and Gillian Anderson.

• 41:13Griffin Newman?

  Uh huh.

• 41:14David Sims?

  Legends, and I tip my cap, but Zach Cherry.

• 41:17Griffin Newman?

  Friend of the show.

• 41:17David Sims?

  Friend of the show, Zach Cherry.

• 41:19Griffin Newman?

  Zach Cherry.

• 41:20David Sims?

  Also in it.

• 41:21Griffin Newman?

  This is true.

• 41:22David Sims?

  Such a cool movie, one that queer pal McCann, if you haven't heard about this movie, I don't know what's going on with you. But like, it obviously has, it was out in theaters this summer and now it's on Mubi.

• 41:32Griffin Newman?

  Hannah Einbinder plays the filmmaker attempting to reboot the Camp Miasma franchise, trying to track down the original final girl from the first movie to make some sort of legacy sequel, who's played by Gillian Anderson, who lives at the summer camp.

• 41:46David Sims?

  At Camp Miasma, yes. And you know, and then they hang out and it's regular.

• 41:51Griffin Newman?

  What happens? It's, it's one of those Hollywood's out of ideas. No, it's very much a movie about Hollywood being out of ideas while being an example of there still being new stories to tell.

• 42:02David Sims?

  It's now streaming exclusively on Mubi and you can try Mubi free for 30 days at Mubi.com slash blank check. That's M U B I dot com slash blank check for a whole month of great cinema for free.

• 42:15Griffin Newman?

  They got so many great movies on there to watch, but worth it for 30 days from Miasma.

• 42:20David Sims?

  Damn right.

• 42:25Griffin Newman?

  David?

• 42:25David Sims?

  Yes?

• 42:26Griffin Newman?

  He lurks in shadow. He slips into dreams. He casts no reflection. Audible presents Bram Stoker's Dracula, a new full cast audio thriller starring Ella Purnell as Mina Harker, Jonathan Bailey as Dracula, and an A-list cast, including Maggie Gyllenhaal as Van Helsing, Amy Lou Wood as Lucy, David Johnson as Dr. Seward, and many more. That is an all-star cast.

• 42:47David Sims?

  Yeah, this new full cast thriller locks Mina Harker in a battle of minds with the Count. When Mina's fiance, Jonathan Harker, Louis Partridge, vanishes in Transylvania, Mina pieces together letters, diary entries, and chilling testimony to hunt the predator stalking those she loves, only to discover Dracula's already hunting her.

• 43:06Griffin Newman?

  Joined by the enigmatic Van Helsing, Mina and a small fearless band race against time to stop this ancient terror. Using her intellect, her resolve, and a gift for drawing the unseen lines between clues, Mina may just hold the key to bring down the Count if he hasn't already found his way inside her mind.

• 43:22David Sims?

  Featuring a haunting original score by Elon Eschery and a spatial dolby Atmos sound design, Audible's Dracula invites you to welcome literature's most shadowy figure into your home. Feel the terror of being hunted and the thrill of the hunt. Don't miss this year's best new audio thriller, Bram Stoker's Dracula, Audible's new full cast original adaptation. Written by Robin Ahern, now on Audible. Listen to the darkness. Go to audible.com slash listen to Dracula.

• 43:59David Sims?

  Okay, so maybe try and guide us back to talking about the movie and like the tech of it all. Like, how did the message hit with you guys? It's portraying like looking at a screen like we're zombies.

• 44:12Griffin Newman?

  So Toy Story four is very successful.

• 44:15David Sims?

  Very successful, although I feel like not quite the barn born burner they wanted it to be.

• 44:21Griffin Newman?

  We've talked about this. It made basically the exact same amount of money as three.

• 44:25David Sims?

  Yeah, right.

• 44:26Griffin Newman?

  But there had been this big jump.

• 44:27David Sims?

  And it had been a long time since three, obviously.

• 44:29Griffin Newman?

  In between three and four, Finding Dory comes out, has a huge growth from Finding Nemo. Incredibles two comes out, has a huge growth.

• 44:36David Sims?

  It made a good 250 mil less than Incredibles two. And it was sort of like, isn't Toy Story the number one franchise?

• 44:43Griffin Newman?

  That was the thing. It was like, does Toy Story actually have a ceiling and three established it?

• 44:47David Sims?

  Right.

• 44:48Griffin Newman?

  And now it's sort of flat here, but these characters endure. They want to make another one.

• 44:54David Sims?

  They make money, I mean.

• 44:54Griffin Newman?

  Right. Andrew Stan has said basically that he, they went to him and said, do you have any ideas for five?

• 45:01David Sims?

  Wow.

• 45:02Griffin Newman?

  And he said, let me sit in a room and see if I can come up with something. And if something actually excites me, I might noodle with it. And he was like, I wasn't gunning to make a fifth Toy Story movie, but I didn't like the idea of anyone else doing it.

• 45:15David Sims?

  Right.

• 45:16Griffin Newman?

  And he said, I sat down and the two things I thought of immediately were, how do they react to tech? And what if there was an island of 50 Buzz Lightyear's? He had that idea immediately. And this is the thing he's always said, which is, and this is why I'm saying like, not that I'm taking away John Lasseter's credit as a director on the first two movies, but that he has been the main screenwriter of all but three. Stan is the guy who writes the text of these characters. And most of the big ideas tend to trace back to Stan, including Forky, our greatest friend.

• 45:45David Sims?

  Right.

• 45:45Griffin Newman?

  Who Marie has constructed and placed on her desk.

• 45:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, so David's wife is sitting on my desk right now.

• 45:50Griffin Newman?

  She is very, very quietly and respectfully.

• 45:54Griffin Newman?

  And so he, he built from there. And then once he had written the script, he was like, this is what I find interesting. If you guys want to make this, I'd happily direct this. If this is too weird for you, totally understand. He goes ahead and makes it. He appoints Kenna Harris to be his co-director, which we've talked about is kind of an apprentice position, but really tried to elevate them on this film and say.

• 46:16David Sims?

  And they have a co-writing credit on it.

• 46:18Griffin Newman?

  Correct. And said that he felt like, I don't want to just be like a dude in his 50s or 60s, like steamrolling this franchise. I need to get like a younger voice in here. I need someone who grew up with these movies and now works at Pixar. And sort of talked about it as a Woody Jesse dynamic. And the two of them have said that when they started writing it, they were much more kind of binary of, well, tech is bad. And the movie is about them defeating tech. And they said they kept getting to like the halfway point of the script and realizing Lily Pad's a really uninteresting character. If all of what drives her is get rid of the fucking toys.

• 46:56David Sims?

  Right.

• 46:56Griffin Newman?

  And so they had the hook of, well, what is, what drives Lily Pad? She thinks that she's actually better for Bonnie than the toys are. She thinks they're outmoded, but she's still serving the same function, which is to help her connect.

• 47:11David Sims?

  It would be different if she was actively like, I want to ruin a kid's life. You would kind of be like, this doesn't, that kind of breaks the, the sort of universe. Cause like the toys are always ostensibly there to serve the child. They know that that's their sort of deep purpose or whatever.

• 47:26Griffin Newman?

  I think it was more that she's so against the toys that she doesn't even notice that she's harming. Bonnie was the kind of thing, if, if that ran throughout the entire movie, they found it dramatically flat.

• 47:37David Sims?

  Of course. And I was, I was, as the movie was starting up, I was kind of like, oh boy, is it just them fighting a thing? Cause then it's just right.

• 47:43Griffin Newman?

  That was my greatest concern from the trailers and I heard them say that in an interview and I felt a little relieved. And I do think that's the smartest thing the movie does is like, you're not beating tech. It's here to stay.

• 47:53David Sims?

  Yes.

• 47:54Griffin Newman?

  There are, there is good that can come from it.

• 47:57David Sims?

  Right. I would say as a parent, I've already encountered people who are trying to like, keep their kid from ever looking at a screen.

• 48:04Griffin Newman?

  Impossible.

• 48:04David Sims?

  And it's just sort of like, well, that's silly.

• 48:07Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 48:07David Sims?

  And in my opinion, I'm not, you know, I know people are very, very.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  Ted Kaczynski, yeah, that's one, moving to a cabin.

• 48:13David Sims?

  Touchy about parenting.

• 48:13Speaker 02

  Cabin in the woods.

• 48:14David Sims?

  Every school has like a smart board. My wife's a teacher. She uses a smart board. Smart boards are screens.

• 48:20Griffin Newman?

  This is like a smart blackboard, basically?

• 48:22David Sims?

  Exactly. It's like, you know, it's become the default in a school. It's just like, you know, they can put lots of things on it. They can put, you know, just stuff they've written on it, but they could also show you a video once in a while or whatever. And I'm like, we all watched videos in class. Like this is not, this is just a smoother. Yeah, this is a streamlined way of a thing that's always existed, but there are some parents who are so worried about screens that I, you know, they're just like, well, I really don't want my kid to really ever look at a screen.

• 48:49Griffin Newman?

  Hmm.

• 48:50David Sims?

  Kind of like.

• 48:50Speaker 02

  Well, that's ridiculous.

• 48:52Griffin Newman?

  We live in a society that.

• 48:53David Sims?

  Right.

• 48:54Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 48:54David Sims?

  And I was happy this movie, right, did not just charge at this as like, well, tech's evil and kids should never like, yeah, you know, like, and like, it's a, right, it's a war we're gonna fight.

• 49:05Speaker 03

  There's absolutely balance, but I, as an adult, will say that I've not been participating in social media.

• 49:13David Sims?

  Even though you were good at it.

• 49:14Speaker 03

  I, I don't know when I hit that point.

• 49:16Griffin Newman?

  As we often would say, maybe the only person who knew how to do social media correctly.

• 49:21Speaker 03

  I would just check in from time to time, but at this point, I just, yeah, I'm really off it. Uh, it just makes me feel bad.

• 49:28David Sims?

  It is really funny that your Twitter, uh, profile picture is still a picture of your pierced ear.

• 49:32Griffin Newman?

  That is, see, this is what we're saying.

• 49:34David Sims?

  He was good at it.

• 49:36Speaker 03

  And then I also feel like, too, with just like, the texting of it all and how that's become so much more prevalent in our lives.

• 49:44Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 49:44Speaker 03

  I struggle with it. I really do.

• 49:47Griffin Newman?

  I do as well.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  I find that it overwhelming and I find that lately I've been really struggling to even just keep up with it. I like, kinda just can't deal with this.

• 49:59David Sims?

  See, I enjoy texting because it's social, so it kinda like, it feeds my extrovert energy of like, you know, I like to have social contact. I enjoy texting just fine. I mostly use it to bully eight-year-olds, obviously, so like.

• 50:11Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:11David Sims?

  The movie resonated for me in that regard.

• 50:13Griffin Newman?

  David's on the pond all the time. He's playing, what's it called, Frog Rush or?

• 50:18David Sims?

  I can't say I remember, but.

• 50:19Griffin Newman?

  Turtle Rush, maybe?

• 50:21David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  Turtle, so it was a tag or something?

• 50:23Griffin Newman?

  Turtle Tag, maybe, yeah.

• 50:25David Sims?

  But I hear you. I mean, you know, it's what they call like frictionlessness, right? Like, it is bad. Anything that's frictionless is increasingly just like, this is a big thing in gambling, right? It's like, it's different if you go to a place, you gamble some money, like, it's not like, we're not saying like, that's, that can be harmful and that can make people crazy, but like, if you can just kind of like, bet a thousand dollars by going like, boop, like, it's a little too easy. There's no friction and then suddenly you can get yourself very hooked very quickly. My, uh, colleague McKay Coppins, you know, uh, The Atlantic, who is Mormon and thus banned from gambling, wrote a whole article about how, basically, The Atlantic were like, what if we staked you 10 grand to see what happens if you start gambling on your phone?

• 51:10David Sims?

  Like, just to explore like, this new thing. And he got fucking addicted, like, you know.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 51:14David Sims?

  I mean, he's fine, but like, he writes about like, yeah, man, like, very quickly, like, I was like, going to the bathroom to check my phone to like, you know, like, look at the, the day's best and all that.

• 51:23Speaker 03

  Serotonin hit.

• 51:24David Sims?

  Of course, and it's too easy, too easy, you know, and like.

• 51:27Griffin Newman?

  It doesn't feel real.

• 51:27David Sims?

  Obviously, right. So especially with your kids, you worry about, um, you know, exposing it.

• 51:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:33Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. I, I think this movie has kind of the right balance of those things. And I think a problem that the Toy Story franchise is always fighting against is that two, which I like as much as any movie ever made, is, reaches such a satisfying dramatic point, which is Woody and Buzz have come to an understanding of their own inevitability.

• 51:55David Sims?

  Yes, it's why, it's why three irritates me.

• 51:58Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 51:58David Sims?

  Two, and five, I think you will agree, basically has the same ending as two. It's Jessie having the realization or whatever, but it's the same thing where they're like, right, I'm a toy.

• 52:09Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 52:10David Sims?

  Yes, your kid will grow up. It's about the journey, you know, that we all have to accept that and we're gonna have a great time while we're being played with. And like, that's what it's all about, baby. And then of course, three just makes the huge mistake of being like, in my opinion, the huge mistake, of being like, well, so much time has passed, we should explore what happens when Andy is older and has to give away the toys. And I'm like, I don't know, or you could do what five does, where it's just like, I don't know, Bonnie's still a kid. Who cares?

• 52:36Griffin Newman?

  Well, three, I think, the thing I bump on in three is that it feels like, A, it's just kind of taking subtext from the first movie, first two movies and making a text.

• 52:45David Sims?

  Right.

• 52:45Griffin Newman?

  And B, it is, um, a lot of it's a double beat of, of one and two. It's stuff that the characters have like, come to understand, but now they're facing it.

• 52:56David Sims?

  Right.

• 52:57Griffin Newman?

  And it's less interesting because they've already expressed their understanding of what's coming for them. And I know they've always said about three where it's like, well, but it's different to say you understand what's happening and then to actually live through it.

• 53:08David Sims?

  They say in three, right? That's like, that's like the line, right?

• 53:10Griffin Newman?

  Right. I think what's different in this and what I liked about it and I thought was a good distinction is Jessie's kind of crisis is, does it even matter? It's not like, is it coming to an end? Because she has this thing of like, I've been through two kids already. I know that this ends. What I'm questioning now is, it's less about, are we gonna be thrown away and does that make me feel useless? It's more about whatever they sort of serve as an idea, and this gets into the sort of stretchiness of the Toy Story metaphor, of like, how are toys supposed to help a kid? She's like, are we oblivious and is this kid suffering? And am I gonna be forgotten? And there's just like, no impact.

• 53:52Griffin Newman?

  And I think to a certain degree, I was saying to Ben, I think, you know, the Toy Story movies change what they map on to. Like, what I like about Toy Story is that they're always 50%, literally just about what if you were a toy? Like, exploring the internal logic of that and the comedic and the dramatic possibilities. And then the other 50%, and Jay Nicholson did a great video about this when Toy Story 4 came out, is they don't all ascribe to the same kind of mapped metaphor. One is sort of about being a child, two is sort of about being a parent. I think three's more about religion, four is about retirement.

• 54:26David Sims?

  I'm lost. But yeah.

• 54:27Speaker 02

  Three's about religion?

• 54:29Griffin Newman?

  Well, I think it's about like, the idea of reckoning with a god who has abandoned you, but it's also about reincarnation and new ownership.

• 54:37Speaker 02

  I thought it was.

• 54:37Griffin Newman?

  And Lotso is like a cult.

• 54:39Speaker 02

  Sure, okay. I mean, I thought it was like, wouldn't it be cool if we did like a prison escape movie with toys, you know?

• 54:45Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, that's the best stuff in the movie.

• 54:47David Sims?

  My problem with Pixar, as I say in my review, it's not just Toy Story, it's Inside Out, it's, uh, the Inside Out and Toy Story are the biggest culprits. There's other ones that I'll, I can, is they're like, well, they, this inanimate thing is alive and you should feel guilty that you're killing them by ignoring them. And like, it's something I struggle with very much in the Toy Story movies. And it's why I don't like the Jessie plot in two, where she's like, I was abandoned by, by my owner. And I'm like, no, your owner grew up like a normal person and stopped using toys. And Jessie's like, I was killed.

• 55:19Griffin Newman?

  That can still hurt.

• 55:20David Sims?

  I'm traumatized.

• 55:21Griffin Newman?

  She's not saying she's killed. There's a difference between saying, I'm traumatized because that hurt me and saying I was killed. She's not killed.

• 55:27David Sims?

  The movie presents it as a traumatic, horrible thing that happened to her when toys leave her like dresser and she has normal things teenage girls have, clothes and makeup and things. And the movie just, I, I have always, I ranted about this on the Patreon, it irks me. It really drives me crazy.

• 55:45Speaker 02

  I think we're just hearing a lot of guilt you have.

• 55:47Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 55:47David Sims?

  Unprocessed guilt.

• 55:49Griffin Newman?

  This is what a guilty man would say.

• 55:50David Sims?

  Obviously, the most audacious thing they ever did was Inside Out, where they're like, when you forget about an imaginary friend you had when you were a kid, that's murder. He's dead. He vanished. And you're just like, I'm sorry. I didn't realize he had feelings.

• 56:03Griffin Newman?

  I, I have the exact opposite read of these things, which is, I think they're about the sort of existential dread of being in a universe that doesn't consider that you have consciousness. And so these things are not being done to you in a way that is hurtful. These things are being done to you out of like obliviousness.

• 56:22David Sims?

  But this is not real.

• 56:24Speaker 03

  I think there's, I also think there's.

• 56:27Griffin Newman?

  It's a dramatic conceit.

• 56:28Speaker 03

  There's a nice sentimentality to it.

• 56:30David Sims?

  There, there should be. Well, it should be, right. But then like, Jessie's like, I can't do it, you know, like, where in, you're like, right, she's like a whole person. And that's why I like four, because it's kind of about like, should we reckon with that these are conscious beings?

• 56:44Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 56:44David Sims?

  Like, but that's, I assume also why fans got mad at it, where it's like, well, now we're just sort of breaking the convention, because it's like, but now Woody can just kind of live where he wants?

• 56:54Griffin Newman?

  But that's the distinction to me.

• 56:55David Sims?

  Even a toy?

• 56:56Griffin Newman?

  I feel like what you're describing falls a little more into Velveteen Rabbit territory, which is like, right.

• 57:01David Sims?

  The ultimate original guilt trip.

• 57:04Griffin Newman?

  Right.

• 57:04David Sims?

  Like, you're just teaching your child, like, right, when you stop loving your toy, like, it's sad.

• 57:08Griffin Newman?

  You literally killed him. He's thrown on the fire because you infected him with your human sickness, right? Like, that's, that's what that is.

• 57:16David Sims?

  Oh, god, I'll never read my, that fucking evil book, I'll tell you that much.

• 57:20Griffin Newman?

  What I've always loved about Toy Story is, right, there, that's, that's the metaphorical element, what you're sort of discussing, right? And how it relates to like, the human condition. And then the other 50% of it is quietly this sort of bizarre sci-fi premise.

• 57:33David Sims?

  Right, which I like.

• 57:34Griffin Newman?

  Why are they alive?

• 57:35David Sims?

  And what is it? What's the outer boundary? Are they immortal? Like, they don't need food or air.

• 57:43Griffin Newman?

  No.

• 57:44David Sims?

  But they can be destroyed, like, and then they're dead?

• 57:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 57:49David Sims?

  I guess, if they are destroyed?

• 57:51Speaker 02

  I think it's.

• 57:52David Sims?

  And also, if you put them in a box, they're sort of like, they're not quite dead, but they seem to basically kind of go coma.

• 57:57Speaker 02

  Forky of it all, where.

• 57:58David Sims?

  Well, then Forky of the greatest character of all, where they're like.

• 58:01Speaker 02

  A toy if you are played with?

• 58:04David Sims?

  Like, he's made by a child and he is the child's plaything, so thus, he is cursed with consciousness.

• 58:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 58:11David Sims?

  Like, you know, and, you know, why I love Forky is he's like, mm, I reject consciousness. I wish to be trash.

• 58:16Griffin Newman?

  I'm trash.

• 58:17David Sims?

  Right.

• 58:17Speaker 02

  Trash is warm. Trash is safe.

• 58:19Griffin Newman?

  I'm wearing, I'm wearing a Forky t-shirt that says, love is trash, which is, of course, against the message of this movie, which is Forky is happily married, although, of course, there are struggles in a relationship.

• 58:29David Sims?

  There are, although, Forky trash is good, so maybe love is trash is a positive message for him.

• 58:35Griffin Newman?

  You know what? You're right. That's a very positive read on my t-shirt.

• 58:37David Sims?

  Right, like, he likes trash.

• 58:38Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 58:39David Sims?

  He's pro trash. He is trash.

• 58:40Griffin Newman?

  He is trash.

• 58:40David Sims?

  He's made of trash.

• 58:41Griffin Newman?

  He's made of trash, he's pro trash, his wife is trash.

• 58:43Speaker 02

  I have a question for you, Griffin, because.

• 58:45David Sims?

  His wife's name again?

• 58:46Griffin Newman?

  Karen Beverly, duh. This is the great bit, is that Forky is of course a spork.

• 58:51David Sims?

  Yes.

• 58:51Griffin Newman?

  They made him, they designed him, they showed him to the child of a Pixar employee, and they said, what would you name this character? And the child said Forky. And they went, it's funnier that the kid gets the utensil wrong, right?

• 59:02David Sims?

  Of course.

• 59:03Griffin Newman?

  And then they similarly designed Karen Beverly and they went, this kid's gonna name her Knifeey. And they said, what's her name? And the kid said Karen Beverly.

• 59:10David Sims?

  Pretty funny.

• 59:10Griffin Newman?

  So, and so that's why they were just like.

• 59:13David Sims?

  Line of a kid.

• 59:13Griffin Newman?

  Go with the logic of what an actual kid would do, don't explain it.

• 59:16David Sims?

  Absolutely.

• 59:16Speaker 02

  Uh, Forky, so you had like a list of topics you wanted to address on this episode, one of which was Forky's status as a gay icon within Disney.

• 59:23Griffin Newman?

  Forky is become a queer icon. There's a lot of, there's a lot of Forky pride stuff.

• 59:27David Sims?

  Is that so?

• 59:28Griffin Newman?

  Which I've been fascinated by.

• 59:30Speaker 02

  Shirt that says love is trash has a big rainbow on it.

• 59:32Griffin Newman?

  So he's got a rainbow on his foot.

• 59:34Speaker 02

  Oh, you're right.

• 59:34Griffin Newman?

  There's a rainbow sticker on his foot.

• 59:36Speaker 02

  That's why Forky's.

• 59:37Griffin Newman?

  This is what I'm trying to figure out, because.

• 59:39Speaker 02

  LGBTQ fork icon?

• 59:40Griffin Newman?

  There is so much Forky pride merch, and it's not just Forky with a rainbow on its foot. It's like Forky holding a pride flag. This is what I'm trying to figure out.

• 59:49David Sims?

  Is it like, it's just the Babadook where they were just kind of like, I don't know, we just decided he's ours?

• 59:54Speaker 02

  We claim him.

• 59:54Griffin Newman?

  He's speaking to the culture in some way. And speaking of cultures and, and respectful relationships to cultures through the Toy Story franchise.

• 1:00:02Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:00:03Griffin Newman?

  Marie, of course, on her trip to Japan, got for me one of my grails, Samurai Woody the cowboy, which Ben has on his desk.

• 1:00:11David Sims?

  You've been added to.

• 1:00:12Griffin Newman?

  And we're gonna pull the string, which I've promised them is not offensive.

• 1:00:15David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:18David Sims?

  Okay. He said something in Japanese.

• 1:00:20Griffin Newman?

  He did.

• 1:00:23David Sims?

  Do we know that, is he saying like, well, that's not a samurai effect. I was, is he?

• 1:00:31David Sims?

  Sounds sort of out of breath on that one.

• 1:00:33Griffin Newman?

  That's very Tom Hanks.

• 1:00:34David Sims?

  Is he saying the classic Woody phrases, or is he saying something completely different? I guess is my question. I don't, I don't.

• 1:00:39Griffin Newman?

  Reach for the sky, Samurai sword.

• 1:00:41David Sims?

  Right.

• 1:00:42Griffin Newman?

  Uh, I don't know if anyone, if any of our listeners listening-

• 1:00:45David Sims?

  Is he saying, "There's a snake in my boot"?

• 1:00:46Griffin Newman?

  You know what? I should, I should record these and send them to Weiger and get him to translate.

• 1:00:51David Sims?

  Can Weiger speak Japanese?

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  He speaks Japanese?

• 1:00:53Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. We found this out recently.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  Wait, what?

• 1:00:55Griffin Newman?

  When Weiger went to Japan, he's like, "Of course, I'm bilingual."

• 1:00:57David Sims?

  For him?

• 1:00:58Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:04Speaker 04

  Uh, hey buddy, it's Weiger. Uh, thanks to Griffin for the shout out. I don't want to overstate my proficiency with the Japanese language, but I have been learning. And I, a big part of that has been my studies with my tutor. Uh, so because my tutor is also a professional translator, I figured, uh, we just, uh, throw her into the mix and, and see if she can help us puzzle these out. Uh, konnichiwa, Tanaka sensei.

• 1:01:32Speaker 05

  Konnichiwa.

• 1:01:33Speaker 04

  Uh, so are you familiar with the Toy Story franchise?

• 1:01:37Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, I've seen it. Yes.

• 1:01:39Speaker 04

  Did you see Toy Story 5, the most recent entry?

• 1:01:41Speaker 05

  Not yet.

• 1:01:42Speaker 04

  Uh, you, you of course know Woody, um, the, the cowboy, the protagonist of this series.

• 1:01:48Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:01:48Speaker 04

  There is a Samurai Woody toy, um, and it, it has some lines of dialogue. And so I'm gonna play these for you one at a time.

• 1:01:57Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:01:58Speaker 04

  And then if you can just, um, talk them through, uh, what your, what your translation might be.

• 1:02:03Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:02:04Speaker 04

  So here we go.

• 1:02:09Speaker 05

  Hmm. He said, "Chotto mata, oi, yame ro." Chotto is little.

• 1:02:15Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:16Speaker 05

  Mata, wait. Yame ro, stop it. So he say, "Wait a little, stop."

• 1:02:25Speaker 04

  Got it.

• 1:02:26Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:02:27Speaker 04

  Would you have any idea what the context, like, is that a common Japanese phrase you might say?

• 1:02:32Speaker 05

  Chotto matte yame ro. I wouldn't say it because it's masculine, yame ro. When do I say that? Can you stop if somebody was, I don't know, pulling my hair or something? I don't know.

• 1:02:45Speaker 04

  Oh, so I wonder if what's happening is that's Woody the doll, kind of being like, "Hey, stop pulling my string."

• 1:02:52Speaker 05

  Something, yes.

• 1:02:53Speaker 04

  Do you think it's maybe, okay, so that, that's a little bit of a fourth wall breaky there. Uh, and directly addressing the, uh, the, the, the person playing with the doll as if they are the toy.

• 1:03:03Speaker 05

  Maybe.

• 1:03:04Speaker 04

  Okay. All right. Next up, let's, let's listen to this one.

• 1:03:11Speaker 04

  And again, is the Samurai Woody, so we have that little sword clash at the end.

• 1:03:15Speaker 05

  Yes. Uh, he's a hashire, kaze no you ni, bull's eye. Heshire, run, kaze no you ni, as if you're wind?

• 1:03:27Speaker 04

  So this is, this, this is like, bull's eye, run like the wind, is like, that's, that's like his, he's, he, ride like the wind. I guess, I guess is what, is what they would, would say in English.

• 1:03:36Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:03:36Speaker 04

  So this is like the thing he would say to his horse. And this, this is a Woody, um, catchphrase. You know the horse Bullseye? He's in, he's, uh, he appears in the second one, when Woody has a bunch of, um, additional friends.

• 1:03:48Speaker 05

  Ah, I see.

• 1:03:49Speaker 04

  That's unnecessary context, but there you go.

• 1:03:51Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:03:52Speaker 04

  All right, let's see, uh, let's see what this third one is.

• 1:03:59Speaker 04

  Okay, what is being said there?

• 1:04:01Speaker 05

  He said, "Oi, yose, yose, yame, yame ro, yamete kuretara." Uh, yose, yose, stop it, stop it. Yamete kuretara. I'm telling you to stop it.

• 1:04:12Speaker 04

  So again, scolding the person, pulling his string?

• 1:04:16Speaker 05

  He, something, yeah, he's telling somebody to stop something, whatever they are doing.

• 1:04:20Speaker 04

  There again, it's, it's directly addressing the kid, which you would not do unless you were trying to scare them.

• 1:04:25Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, I mean, if you're Samurai, I don't know. Yeah, that sounds, um-

• 1:04:30Speaker 04

  The point is, it doesn't feel Samurai specific, right?

• 1:04:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, it doesn't have a Samurai spirit in it.

• 1:04:35Speaker 04

  Okay. All right. Well, we got one more.

• 1:04:42Speaker 05

  He said, "You beat me." Uh, "Yarareta ze, kitanai te, tsukaiyagatte." Kitanai te is dirty hand, you use dirty hand. So he did.

• 1:04:52Speaker 04

  You, you used a dirty hand? Wait, does, does this mean a literal dirty hand? Like the child is filthy?

• 1:04:56Speaker 05

  No, like, kitanai te, no, like, uh, you know, when you compete? You do it right, and sometimes they cheat?

• 1:05:04Speaker 04

  Oh, oh, okay.

• 1:05:05Speaker 05

  So it's like, whoever was doing something to Woody was using, like a cheating.

• 1:05:11Speaker 04

  Like a dirty trick?

• 1:05:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:05:13Speaker 04

  Is what we might, it might say in English. Got it, got it.

• 1:05:15Speaker 05

  This, this is a kid's toy though?

• 1:05:17Speaker 04

  This is a child's toy. I mean, perhaps the Samurai theming is meant to age it up a little bit, but I, I don't know. It, it, it seems, it seems like only one of these is at all specific to Woody as we know him, which is his ride like the wind line.

• 1:05:32Speaker 05

  Wait, Toy Story 5 was shot in Japan?

• 1:05:35Speaker 04

  No, it's, there's not really a, a Japanese connection. It's just, this is, this toy just happens to exist.

• 1:05:41Speaker 05

  Oh, got it.

• 1:05:42Speaker 04

  Well, uh, Aiko, thank you so much. Uh, before we, uh, before we go, I, I, I did want to add, this is a movie podcast. Um, and you are, in addition to being a, a translator and an excellent teacher, you are an actor and a comedian. And in fact, you played one of the cowgirls at the starting line in the film, The Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift.

• 1:06:02Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:06:03Speaker 04

  Your line was "seto," is it?

• 1:06:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, so, uh, we supposed to start the race.

• 1:06:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:09Speaker 05

  Somebody else says, my friend Kyla says, "Ready." I says, "Seto," another person said, "Go." Because as you know, in Japanese, it's set, it's seto. We have to enunciate the vowel, but people are complaining, they're like, "She's saying set, go, she's saying it wrong." I'm like, I don't think Universal Studio would publish the movie with my, you know, wrong say.

• 1:06:31Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:06:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, but I lost the voice. I don't think my voice was right. I think they might have done, uh, ADR.

• 1:06:37Speaker 04

  Got it, got it.

• 1:06:37Speaker 05

  Cause I lost the voice, cause so much fume and gas.

• 1:06:41Speaker 04

  Do you have any, any, any specific story you remember from your time? Uh, because you have a, you're, you're, you have a couple of scenes. One of them is with Vin Diesel. I'm not sure if he was actually there.

• 1:06:51Speaker 05

  I was with, um, uh, this, uh, rapper, actor, little bao wao.

• 1:06:59Speaker 04

  Yes, yeah.

• 1:07:00Speaker 05

  And he's my size, but he was so popular. Like, all these women were around him. So I was really shocked by that, like-

• 1:07:11Speaker 04

  A short king.

• 1:07:13Speaker 05

  He's a short king, and he was just so popular. So shocked.

• 1:07:17Speaker 04

  Like Toy Story, a franchise that will be around for a long time.

• 1:07:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:23Speaker 04

  Aiko, thank you so much. Uh-

• 1:07:25Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 1:07:25Speaker 04

  Arigatou gozaimasu, uh, Tanaka sensei.

• 1:07:28Speaker 05

  Arigatou gozaimasu. Uh, nihon go ga jouzu desu.

• 1:07:34Speaker 04

  There you go. Not really very illuminating. Clips don't seem to be in character for Woody, and frankly, don't make a lot of sense. Seem to mostly be scolding children for playing with a toy improperly. Um, anyway, my review of Toy Story 5, uh, Bonnie's mom, thicker than a hand-spun milkshake. Bye, buddy.

• 1:08:01Griffin Newman?

  It's many mysteries to that man.

• 1:08:03David Sims?

  The greatest man there ever was.

• 1:08:05Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. Number one person tied with Mike Mitchell.

• 1:08:08David Sims?

  Sure, of course. Let's not forget.

• 1:08:09Griffin Newman?

  He's gonna be, Mike, Mitch is gonna be so angry about the three seconds where we said Weiger was number one.

• 1:08:14David Sims?

  Luckily, he never listens to like-

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  Does Mike, does, does Mitch speak any other languages besides English?

• 1:08:20Griffin Newman?

  Uh, Boston.

• 1:08:21Speaker 02

  Boston, okay.

• 1:08:22David Sims?

  Boston, right. Uh, yeah. No, I, I couldn't think of a better joke.

• 1:08:25Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:25Speaker 02

  Okay, so this movie, the plot, what is it?

• 1:08:28Griffin Newman?

  It opens, I love the opening of this film. It opens with, uh, a desert island.

• 1:08:34David Sims?

  Yeah, that's right. Forgot about that.

• 1:08:36Griffin Newman?

  First person POV inside the Buzz Lightyear helmet.

• 1:08:39David Sims?

  Cargo, uh, right, okay, yes, okay.

• 1:08:41Griffin Newman?

  You, you scan the wreckage, you hear the breathing. It's similar to Buzz's awakening in the first Toy Story.

• 1:08:47David Sims?

  Right.

• 1:08:47Griffin Newman?

  But then you see-

• 1:08:48David Sims?

  When he's in the box.

• 1:08:49Griffin Newman?

  Right, like a cargo ship that's turned over. The beach is littered with Buzz Lightyear's, and they all start to turn on and activate. And these are the new high-tech Buzzes.

• 1:08:57David Sims?

  Right.

• 1:08:58Griffin Newman?

  These are wifi-enabled Buzzes that look very much like the original Buzz, but have kind of a shiny air paint job.

• 1:09:04David Sims?

  And they've got a device in their chest.

• 1:09:06Griffin Newman?

  Their symbol glows.

• 1:09:07David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:08Griffin Newman?

  They're networked. The little screen.

• 1:09:09David Sims?

  Everything's got the internet now.

• 1:09:11Speaker 04

  Kind of screen.

• 1:09:12Griffin Newman?

  And they function as like, I don't know, they are lesion, they are-

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  It's kind of like a hive mind, like a floribus situation?

• 1:09:19Griffin Newman?

  And you just have this thing of all of them, like, waking up and waking each other up, like, very lost, post-crash, like, "Are you okay?" They don't really have language yet.

• 1:09:29David Sims?

  No, they don't speak.

• 1:09:30Griffin Newman?

  It cuts to them at night. Like, this is already a surprising cut to just be like, "Where are we in this?"

• 1:09:35David Sims?

  How much of this were you prepared for? Cause I assume you've been, you've been scanning the leaks and the rumors.

• 1:09:41Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:41David Sims?

  Cause I had no idea. I knew the movie had an iPad.

• 1:09:44Griffin Newman?

  They also, I believe they screened this opening at CinemaCon last year. Like, they had this done.

• 1:09:49David Sims?

  Sure.

• 1:09:49Griffin Newman?

  And so a year ago, there were some stories that were people like, "The opening of Toy Story 5 is really bizarre." "I'm curious to see what this movie is now, because I was not expecting this."

• 1:09:59David Sims?

  Yeah, it's an MMA fight and, not MMA, sorry, wrestling.

• 1:10:02Griffin Newman?

  It starts with an AW wrestler kicking. Yeah. I want to say, someone in the Reddit, cause I may-

• 1:10:07Speaker 02

  I'm just watching Ben fix Samurai Woody on-

• 1:10:11Speaker 03

  Marie caught me.

• 1:10:12Griffin Newman?

  He's a good guy.

• 1:10:13Speaker 03

  I just was trying to make sure he's comfy.

• 1:10:15Speaker 02

  You really are looking at him like he's a little person, and I'm like, you know what?

• 1:10:17Griffin Newman?

  Ben's glowing.

• 1:10:20David Sims?

  Sweetie.

• 1:10:21Griffin Newman?

  Uh, what was the thing I was gonna say? Oh, uh, people were calling out that I said AEW instead of WWE in the Disclosure Day episode.

• 1:10:29David Sims?

  Sure. And they were like- They were kinda calling it out positively, I feel.

• 1:10:32Griffin Newman?

  No, just that I used a different specific, that I didn't go for the most obvious wrestling, uh, league. And they said like, how funny would it be if Griffin got really into wrestling and went to the AEW All or Nothing? I want people to know. I fucking went.

• 1:10:44David Sims?

  You went with, uh, Singer, right?

• 1:10:46Griffin Newman?

  I went with Matt Singer, Brendan McDonald, friends of the show. They took me to my first ever wrestling event. It was really fun and I sat next to a blankie who bought me drinks and a t-shirt. I just want people to know. I had a great fucking time and I like Orange Cassidy.

• 1:10:59Speaker 02

  Is this gonna be your sport now?

• 1:11:01David Sims?

  I feel like you've always had a little-

• 1:11:02Griffin Newman?

  It's closer to theater.

• 1:11:04David Sims?

  Wrestling. It is, right, and that's why.

• 1:11:06Griffin Newman?

  It's sketch comedy. Let's, let's call it what it is. Athletic sketch comedy.

• 1:11:09David Sims?

  It's very athletic, they're impressive athletes, they do all kinds of crazy stunts and, you know.

• 1:11:14Griffin Newman?

  And Orange Cassidy's bit is that he's a guy who's sort of like too cool to wrestle. So he shows up wearing a Canadian tuxedo and sunglasses. His hands in his pockets and he does crazy moves refusing to take his hands out of his pockets because he doesn't wanna show any effort.

• 1:11:28David Sims?

  Right.

• 1:11:28Griffin Newman?

  It's a pretty funny bit.

• 1:11:30David Sims?

  Um, yeah.

• 1:11:32Griffin Newman?

  Buzz Lightyear's all make a campsite, they make a fire, then they look up at the night sky, they see stars and they start remembering Star Command. I think this is such a good bit, that the movie finds a way to like exploit like seven different ways across the runtime.

• 1:11:47David Sims?

  I just feel like they could've shouted out Lightyear more. You know, it's an important movie, it's part of the canon.

• 1:11:52Griffin Newman?

  But David, these are the toys, not the man that the toys are based on.

• 1:11:55David Sims?

  I'm just awaiting Lightyear 2.

• 1:11:58Griffin Newman?

  Do you know, do you know, I have it on good authority that they had a trilogy planned?

• 1:12:02David Sims?

  Of course they did, I mean, that makes sense. I'm sure they thought it was gonna be a big deal.

• 1:12:06Griffin Newman?

  And the second movie, we add the aliens.

• 1:12:08David Sims?

  Right. Oh, like they had like-

• 1:12:10Speaker 02

  The, the claw.

• 1:12:12David Sims?

  Are the aliens not in this one?

• 1:12:13Griffin Newman?

  The first time I saw it, I thought they were not in it at all. And this time I looked, they're in some of the group shots early, but they're like, even when they go to the garage, they're not in the box.

• 1:12:24David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:24Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. They've had their time.

• 1:12:26Speaker 03

  It's cool how the buzzes are able to climb up the crane.

• 1:12:30David Sims?

  By like climbing on each other like zombie style.

• 1:12:32Speaker 03

  I love seeing the action of, of these new buzzes.

• 1:12:36Griffin Newman?

  I, I like that, yes, they can, they can sort of form like larger shapes and things.

• 1:12:41Speaker 02

  I was a little of, like afraid of them. I think they're, they're too powerful.

• 1:12:46Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:47David Sims?

  Sure, let's stop them.

• 1:12:48Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:48Speaker 02

  I think we need to stop them, I think they can be weaponized. They're drones.

• 1:12:52Griffin Newman?

  Well, I think-

• 1:12:52David Sims?

  Look, the limitless, like you can't hurt, you can't, you'll hurt yourself thinking about it. These toys have access to the internet now. They're sentient beings. They seemingly can do all kinds of things online without us knowing.

• 1:13:05Speaker 03

  Wait, are they on our Reddit commenting?

• 1:13:06David Sims?

  Well, this is the thing, I actually, I actually discussed this with someone.

• 1:13:10Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:10David Sims?

  And I was like, it's something a movie doesn't wanna deal with and that's fine. But I was like, if toys were talking to each other on the internet, as they basically do in this.

• 1:13:20Griffin Newman?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:13:21David Sims?

  That's actually creating a paper trail, which I feel like kind of violates their we can't be seen being alive. It's like, at a certain point, the government might, might kinda be like, hey, like-

• 1:13:33Speaker 02

  It's gonna become an X-file.

• 1:13:34David Sims?

  Other beings talking on these apps, like, what is this?

• 1:13:39Griffin Newman?

  But that's already started in 3. I mean, Trixie, uh, the Kristen Shaw character does have a texting relationship with other toys.

• 1:13:45David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:46Griffin Newman?

  She's emailing, at least, yeah.

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  Uh, Trixie, I feel, is the most Marie-like of all of the characters.

• 1:13:54David Sims?

  She doesn't really, she has like a line in, in this, maybe?

• 1:13:56Griffin Newman?

  She's got a couple jokes, she does. Like Jeff Garland's character is silenced, unsurprisingly. He is still there.

• 1:14:02David Sims?

  silenced for speaking the truth on how he wanted to hug people as well, or whatever it is he did.

• 1:14:06Griffin Newman?

  Uh, he kept saying, "Ow, my vagina!" On set, that was his joke.

• 1:14:11Speaker 02

  Who do you relate to the most?

• 1:14:13Griffin Newman?

  Uh, well-

• 1:14:14Speaker 02

  Rex?

• 1:14:15Griffin Newman?

  No. Well, in the early films, it was Jesse and then Forky. I, I unsurprisingly relate very hard to Forky.

• 1:14:22David Sims?

  My face when I learned Jeff Garland was not gonna voice anyone into this movie.

• 1:14:26Speaker 03

  What is it that you're showing?

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  The uncanny valley Jeff Garland.

• 1:14:30David Sims?

  They made like a CGI Jeff Garland for like the, the finale of The Goldbergs, cuz they'd already fired him, but like they didn't wanna like kill the dad off.

• 1:14:38Griffin Newman?

  I think they did, am I wrong in thinking they did one season post his death? Like post the character death?

• 1:14:44David Sims?

  I don't think-

• 1:14:44Griffin Newman?

  But that was to finish off the season they already had shot?

• 1:14:47David Sims?

  I'm not even sure that he died though, or did they just kinda like, you know, say like, he's on vacation.

• 1:14:53Griffin Newman?

  My memory is that they've-

• 1:14:54David Sims?

  I'm not in, uh, let me, yes, he died off-season.

• 1:14:58Griffin Newman?

  Right.

• 1:14:58David Sims?

  Like, yeah, but he was used for a graduation episode in season 9.

• 1:15:02Griffin Newman?

  Right.

• 1:15:02David Sims?

  Cause they had fired him.

• 1:15:03Griffin Newman?

  There was a season 10 where Wendy McLovin, Kove, got like a big pay raise, deservedly so.

• 1:15:10David Sims?

  It's so funny.

• 1:15:10Griffin Newman?

  Because she became the only parent.

• 1:15:12Speaker 03

  But now, show us your impression. You were about to go into it, but-

• 1:15:15Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, Marie, can you take a picture of this?

• 1:15:18Speaker 02

  Uh, no, he's not facing me. You gotta face me.

• 1:15:21Griffin Newman?

  Um, basically, he, uh, was, uh, so annoying and would just make hypersexual jokes all the time to the cast and crew that for years they built-

• 1:15:28David Sims?

  What, I'm kidding!

• 1:15:29Speaker 03

  It's funny!

• 1:15:30Griffin Newman?

  For years, they did a thing where they basically would shoot him out of every episode in one day, isolated from most other actors. And then finally, it got like, that's too extreme, but they had a bunch of episodes that already had been written with the assumption they'd get the one day out of him for the end of that season, so they finished it with weird CGI.

• 1:15:49David Sims?

  And I think they threw in some outtakes and some whatever, you know, like they, they did what they, they patched it together.

• 1:15:54Griffin Newman?

  He doesn't talk in this, uh, the potato heads have been recast, they also only have a couple lines. I think this is kind of smart, and I heard Stanton and Harris talk about this, where they were like, the cast has gotten too big, it's an embarrassment of riches.

• 1:16:06David Sims?

  Sure.

• 1:16:07Griffin Newman?

  Anytime we cut to the Bonnie's room, we try to put them all in the same frame so you can at least see everyone.

• 1:16:13David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:13Griffin Newman?

  But like, realistically, everyone's getting three lines in this movie outside of our main cast.

• 1:16:17David Sims?

  Totally.

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  Who do you relate to, or who do you feel like you are in this universe?

• 1:16:23David Sims?

  Uh-

• 1:16:24Speaker 02

  Yours.

• 1:16:25Griffin Newman?

  Bo Peep.

• 1:16:26Speaker 02

  You are so Bo Peep.

• 1:16:26Speaker 03

  Cause she's like, I'm fucking-

• 1:16:28Griffin Newman?

  Survivor.

• 1:16:29David Sims?

  Uh, Griff, you're the Toy Story expert here. Is there a, is there a David-coded Toy Story character, uh, that I'm not thinking, I'm not thinking too hard about?

• 1:16:36Griffin Newman?

  Sometimes that potato head on her-

• 1:16:37Speaker 02

  I was gonna say potato head.

• 1:16:39Griffin Newman?

  I'm a married spud! I'm a married spud!

• 1:16:41David Sims?

  He's too grumpy. I actually, like, Potato Head in the early movies, I'm kinda like, can you fucking relax once in a while? Like, he, he's always so down on everything.

• 1:16:49Griffin Newman?

  He's a roast comedian.

• 1:16:50David Sims?

  He sure is.

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  Well, he loves his wife.

• 1:16:52Griffin Newman?

  He does. He's got three children.

• 1:16:54David Sims?

  Yes.

• 1:16:54Speaker 02

  The monkeys.

• 1:16:55Griffin Newman?

  The aliens.

• 1:16:55Speaker 02

  Oh, the aliens, right.

• 1:16:56Griffin Newman?

  The monkeys are in his butt.

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  Right, the monkeys are in his butt.

• 1:16:59David Sims?

  These are all important things to know.

• 1:17:00Speaker 02

  You're also a little bit of Ham, I think.

• 1:17:03Griffin Newman?

  Just so Ham know it all.

• 1:17:04David Sims?

  Ham in those early movies is also kinda just like, kind of an ombudsman type, like he's always kinda in the mix and organizing and stuff, I don't know.

• 1:17:13Griffin Newman?

  Rattenberger was always, of course, the Pixar good luck charm, he was in every film. And then since Lasseter was outstayed, he stopped doing them. And I did notice that his billing is very low on this movie.

• 1:17:25David Sims?

  Uh-huh. Does he have a line? Ham says something or other?

• 1:17:27Griffin Newman?

  He says a couple things and I was like, that's really similar to a joke from 3, or that's really similar to a joke from 4. I am wondering if Don Rickles' style, they did just use outtakes for him on this one and paid him.

• 1:17:36Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:17:37Griffin Newman?

  And he wouldn't come in. Um, it's pure speculation on my part, but I noticed that the, the billing order at the end credits was not alphabetical and he was all the way down at the bottom. Yeah.

• 1:17:48David Sims?

  Well, he noticed.

• 1:17:50Griffin Newman?

  He noticed something.

• 1:17:50David Sims?

  Sleuth over here.

• 1:17:51Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:17:52Speaker 02

  Did you make a post on the Toy Story Reddit about this?

• 1:17:54Griffin Newman?

  No, I refuse to engage with that place.

• 1:17:56David Sims?

  Good for you.

• 1:17:57Griffin Newman?

  It's a place for heathens and maniacs.

• 1:17:59David Sims?

  I'm, uh, I'm Duke Kaboom.

• 1:18:01Griffin Newman?

  Uh, you are not Duke Kaboom.

• 1:18:03David Sims?

  I'm Duke Kaboom, that's who I am.

• 1:18:04Speaker 02

  You're not Duke Kaboom.

• 1:18:04David Sims?

  Why not?

• 1:18:06Speaker 02

  Because Duke Kaboom is like a failure. With an inflated ego, you know?

• 1:18:11David Sims?

  Yeah, but he's, you know, he's come low and he's come, I guess I'm not really Duke Kaboom.

• 1:18:14Speaker 02

  You're not Duke, we love him, but you're not Duke Kaboom.

• 1:18:17David Sims?

  Okay, I'm, um, just trying to think of characters. I'm the doll from 4. What's her name?

• 1:18:22Griffin Newman?

  Dolly?

• 1:18:22Speaker 02

  Gabby.

• 1:18:23Griffin Newman?

  Oh, Gabby, Gabby?

• 1:18:24Speaker 02

  You are kinda Gabby, yeah.

• 1:18:25Griffin Newman?

  Cause Gabby's kinda like- You're a lean girl.

• 1:18:27David Sims?

  She's kinda like, l- lost in her, right, like she's never been able to escape high school, even a way, you know what I mean? Like, she's one of those people who's just kinda like-

• 1:18:36Griffin Newman?

  Watching the Mets on her laptop, yeah.

• 1:18:38David Sims?

  Love the Mets. What was, last night? Beat the Phillies.

• 1:18:42Griffin Newman?

  David's wearing a Mets shirt.

• 1:18:43Speaker 02

  I don't care about the Phillies.

• 1:18:45Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  Let's go Mets.

• 1:18:47David Sims?

  Yay!

• 1:18:48Griffin Newman?

  Just to finish this, uh, uh, loop, Timothy Dalton, not back as Pricklepants, who gets a couple good jokes.

• 1:18:54Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 1:18:55David Sims?

  Goes to a couple good jokes.

• 1:18:56Speaker 02

  I didn't notice that.

• 1:18:56David Sims?

  Was he not in 4 either? I feel like, had he not departed the role already?

• 1:18:59Griffin Newman?

  He was in 4 and in Toy Story of Terror, he, someone else voiced the character for Forky, asked a question, and it's a different guy who's doing it for this.

• 1:19:08David Sims?

  Right.

• 1:19:08Griffin Newman?

  And I looked up this guy and I was like, what do I know this guy from? And the answer is, he played Jeffrey Epstein in the Netflix movie about the Prince Andrew interview, which is, when I watched that film, it's a non-speaking role. I was like, this is the worst role you could ever have as an actor. You are just physical double for Jeffrey Epstein in close-ups, non-speaking, walking through Central Park with Prince Andrew.

• 1:19:33David Sims?

  Can I just read a great, um, great Ben Halsey tweet out?

• 1:19:36Griffin Newman?

  Please.

• 1:19:37David Sims?

  I've just been scrolling through his tweet.

• 1:19:38Griffin Newman?

  One of our finest.

• 1:19:40David Sims?

  This is from April 2021.

• 1:19:41Griffin Newman?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:19:42David Sims?

  Vanity license plate that says Fang.

• 1:19:45Griffin Newman?

  Oh, God, he's so, he never misses.

• 1:19:50Griffin Newman?

  We're so lucky to have him. And he never misses. Ben, can you talk about some of the things you liked about this movie? Cause I feel like you, you were surprised by how pro you were.

• 1:20:01Speaker 03

  Great jokes. I thought this was really funny.

• 1:20:06Speaker 03

  The parents, when Bonnie and Blaze are finally connecting towards the end and the parents are watching. And when they start to come in, they're like, oh, get out of here, act normal.

• 1:20:16Griffin Newman?

  This is Ben's favorite moment. He like, he did the Leo point at the screen last night when it happened. Like it's your favorite part. Well, we should.

• 1:20:23David Sims?

  I know, I know that feeling a little bit when you're like, when I brought my daughter over to someone's house for a playdate. And you are kind of doing the like, it's like, we're introducing the fish to a new, you know, tank. And we'll see if she can thrive or you know, where you just. They kind of just like run off to their room and you're like, good, good, good, great, great, great, great, great. Like they're doing it, they're doing it. Okay, they're playing.

• 1:20:43Griffin Newman?

  Famously says, I shy.

• 1:20:45David Sims?

  Yeah, your daughter does say hi. My daughter does say hi.

• 1:20:48Griffin Newman?

  My, my daughter says that too.

• 1:20:49David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:49Griffin Newman?

  Our daughters have that in common. When we go to Bonnie's room, uh, we open with, uh, the, the wedding being staged, I feel like. Uh, or very quickly get to that Forky and Karen Beverly are getting betrothed. Bonnie's in a phase where she just wants to watch marriages all the time. You're reading another Ben tweet?

• 1:21:06David Sims?

  So good. I ate too many pasta and my apt is small?

• 1:21:11Speaker 03

  I don't know what that means.

• 1:21:13David Sims?

  That is March 13th, 2020. So it's right before lockdown. Maybe you're just kind of like, you know, exploring like what it felt like to kind of be carb maxing and not being able to go out.

• 1:21:24Griffin Newman?

  My apt is small?

• 1:21:25David Sims?

  Apartment, I assume.

• 1:21:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

• 1:21:29David Sims?

  Feathers are bone hair, right? That's a, you know, that, I mean, that's just, that's just what's bouncing around that noggin is all the time.

• 1:21:36Griffin Newman?

  What a brain. Feathers are bone hair. Bonnie's in the stage where she's really enjoying, uh, uh, putting on fake weddings. And so Forky and Karen Beverly are getting married, uh, which is a thing the movie treats as if Bonnie gives you a wedding, then that counts. It's legally binding, but also, uh, Prickle Pants, if he's officiating, it's legally binding because there was one playtime where he was a haunted priest, I think, or a haunted reverend, they say. He's ordained.

• 1:22:02David Sims?

  Right.

• 1:22:03Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:22:04David Sims?

  Yeah, we're in the, uh, right in the, the, the, the sweet Bonnie, uh, vision to the, uh, you know, it's kind of chalk.

• 1:22:11Speaker 02

  It's like, kind of pastelly, little golden book style, which is really cute.

• 1:22:15David Sims?

  I, I thought it was clever.

• 1:22:16Griffin Newman?

  We've never gone into playtime vision in this kind of way.

• 1:22:19David Sims?

  No, cause in, in two, you see Andy's, is it two or three? No, it's three that begins with a recreation of, of play from prior Toy Stories.

• 1:22:28Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:22:28David Sims?

  But it just looks like an epic movie. It doesn't have like a style beyond the style we know.

• 1:22:33Griffin Newman?

  And I would say that's, that's what we've done. Like if, if you go to play, it just becomes.

• 1:22:37David Sims?

  Buzz video game in two is like, you know, it just looks like Toy Story.

• 1:22:41Griffin Newman?

  I think this is like a really, really cool visual choice. And I like that it's always a murder mystery that they imply that there's always a who poisoned blank to these wedding ceremonies.

• 1:22:52Speaker 02

  Accurate.

• 1:22:53Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:22:53Speaker 02

  To my playtime as a child.

• 1:22:55Griffin Newman?

  Oh, I thought you were going to say to your wedding.

• 1:22:56Speaker 02

  Well, no, but no one died. But I, it was always like soap opera level.

• 1:23:03Griffin Newman?

  Sure.

• 1:23:04Speaker 02

  Like, people were having affairs. There were weddings, there were secret children.

• 1:23:09Griffin Newman?

  This is a big thing about Bonnie.

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  There were murderers.

• 1:23:13Griffin Newman?

  The, the problem with Andy that gets exposed more and more as we're deeper into the Bonnie verse is that Andy is incredibly nonspecific. Beyond just how creepy he looks as like an early CGI human, it just.

• 1:23:25David Sims?

  Does look awful.

• 1:23:26Griffin Newman?

  It is like the Pixar people all had children who weren't yet at this age.

• 1:23:29David Sims?

  Yeah. I mean, Andy likes cowboy because he liked Woody, so he wears a cowboy hat.

• 1:23:34Griffin Newman?

  And then he likes spaceman because he liked Buzz, so he wear a helmet.

• 1:23:37David Sims?

  I'm going to read another Ben tweet.

• 1:23:38Griffin Newman?

  Okay, good.

• 1:23:39David Sims?

  November 2019. I hope the Star Wars universe reveals the chocolate planet.

• 1:23:45Griffin Newman?

  This is what's incredible.

• 1:23:46David Sims?

  They're all good.

• 1:23:47Griffin Newman?

  Ben would just sit down and just spit out a thought like that and he would.

• 1:23:51David Sims?

  You know, every few weeks, like he would, you know, he would take his time.

• 1:23:54Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:55David Sims?

  Yeah. Just kind of check in from time to time.

• 1:23:57Griffin Newman?

  Right. They always had the tone of imagining Ben just sitting in his study, stroking his chin and then going, huh? And then sharing this missive with the world.

• 1:24:06Speaker 02

  You know that like gif of like a guy with like a quill?

• 1:24:09Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:24:09Speaker 02

  And it like is on fire because Woody's character, right? Is so fire. That's like every one of Ben's tweets.

• 1:24:15Griffin Newman?

  All of Ben's tweets feel like they were written in ink with a feather. Yeah, a hundred percent. Or I'm sorry, uh, bone hair.

• 1:24:21David Sims?

  Right.

• 1:24:21Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:35David Sims?

  Uh, okay. So, um, all right, what's happening? Oh yeah. Uh, Forky is married. Forky, you know, God, I love Forky so much, but you know, relegated to minor character here.

• 1:24:44Griffin Newman?

  Gets good jokes.

• 1:24:45David Sims?

  Gets a couple of gas.

• 1:24:45Griffin Newman?

  I, I have no offense at this. I'm not defensive about it. I think he gets good stuff to do.

• 1:24:49David Sims?

  Forky had a movie.

• 1:24:50Griffin Newman?

  He had a movie. Exactly.

• 1:24:51David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:52Griffin Newman?

  And I think this movie very smartly is like, let's really lock in on, on four kind of main characters and then our double A gang, which we'll get to. The thing I was going to say is this is another thing that feels like a nice little corrective cleanup. A thing I don't like in three is the subplot of Buzz has spent 10 years trying to build up the courage to hold Jesse's hand. Feels so infantilizing.

• 1:25:15David Sims?

  It is. Well, they are toys and their romance is tough to imagine.

• 1:25:19Speaker 02

  I agree with you. I don't like this. I don't like my Buzz being a bitch.

• 1:25:22Griffin Newman?

  No.

• 1:25:22David Sims?

  But Buzz, uh, this is sort of addressed in both three and four, right? Buzz's crush, like what, what are the other?

• 1:25:30Griffin Newman?

  Develops at the end of two and three.

• 1:25:31David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:32Griffin Newman?

  It, it is, he has spent 10 years in a toy box with her, not saying anything, just being awkward.

• 1:25:38David Sims?

  Right.

• 1:25:38Griffin Newman?

  And at the end, he accidentally holds her hand and they look at each other.

• 1:25:41David Sims?

  Right.

• 1:25:42Griffin Newman?

  And four, they're like kind of together, but they don't get that much time. Four really doesn't know what to do with Jesse.

• 1:25:47David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:48Griffin Newman?

  Uh, which is my biggest gripe with four.

• 1:25:50David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:50Griffin Newman?

  And then this one, I like that it's like, he's jealous that he hasn't gotten to do the wedding with her. They are clearly in a relationship and they have a work relationship as well.

• 1:25:59David Sims?

  Do you not just think like the, the, the topic of romance in these movies between toys is just, it's a naughty topic?

• 1:26:06Griffin Newman?

  This is my other take that I shared with Ben is I think this is kind of like the romance movie. Because I think what Jesse is working through in her like past owners and this fear of losing it is more of a breakup thing.

• 1:26:20Speaker 02

  Can I commit?

• 1:26:22David Sims?

  Can I? Yeah, sure. I've been hurt so many times before.

• 1:26:25Griffin Newman?

  It's that, and it's also like, if it ended badly, then did it mean anything in the first place? That's what she's looking for. That's what the tree moment's about for me, you know? It's like, can you have something that meant something that didn't last forever?

• 1:26:40Speaker 02

  Would you name your child after an X?

• 1:26:42Griffin Newman?

  No, that's an insane thing.

• 1:26:44David Sims?

  That seems like a bad idea.

• 1:26:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:26:46Griffin Newman?

  That's where the metaphor gets stretchy. I also, we'll get to the tree moment, but there's some other angles I think you need to consider there for why I think I, I buy it. So Buzz is now her like right-hand deputy. Jesse is leading Bonnie's room.

• 1:27:01David Sims?

  Right. She's got the sheriff badge.

• 1:27:02Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:27:03David Sims?

  Right.

• 1:27:04Griffin Newman?

  Um, which is something Stanton said he wrote into four pointedly.

• 1:27:07David Sims?

  Yeah, it's, it four ends with that idea of Jesse giving, uh, Woody giving Jesse the star.

• 1:27:12Griffin Newman?

  Not thinking that he was going to do five, but saying, I think that is where the franchise should go. I think we've put so much story on Woody's shoulders. The movies are ready to move over to someone else and Jesse's probably overdue to be the center at one of these. So, uh, very quickly, Bonnie's parents notice that she has no friends.

• 1:27:33Speaker 03

  I mean, she says it to them.

• 1:27:35Griffin Newman?

  She does.

• 1:27:35Speaker 03

  It's heartbreaking. Because she sees like neighborhood kids.

• 1:27:39Griffin Newman?

  Why does no one want to play with me?

• 1:27:40Speaker 03

  And just doesn't know how to talk to them. She's so shy.

• 1:27:43David Sims?

  Twins next door and she's trying to build up the courage to play with them. The movie does not address whatever's happening at school, which, you know, it can't because it would be like, that's just too much to deal with. But I guess the idea is that Bonnie is struggling to make friends. She's shy.

• 1:27:57Griffin Newman?

  You see that in four too. You see that the other kids at school are not particularly nice to her. That's why she makes Forky.

• 1:28:04David Sims?

  Right. But four is set on the first, or even like a preliminary day of kindergarten. So you don't really know what her social turn is going to be.

• 1:28:11Speaker 02

  Exactly. Yes.

• 1:28:12Griffin Newman?

  But she's shy.

• 1:28:13David Sims?

  She's shy. She's struggling to whatever, socialize or whatever. And her parents, you know, who again are mediocre parents.

• 1:28:25David Sims?

  To deal with this by buying her a tablet computer called Lily pad.

• 1:28:29Griffin Newman?

  Here's.

• 1:28:30David Sims?

  They like dump it on her fucking bed, being like, here you go. This'll help you make friends.

• 1:28:33Griffin Newman?

  The implication is that this is like a very popular device.

• 1:28:36David Sims?

  Being marketed as like, help your kid connect to other kids.

• 1:28:39Griffin Newman?

  That's connected to sort of a closed loop for kids, social network.

• 1:28:43David Sims?

  Right. The Lily pad.

• 1:28:44Griffin Newman?

  And that's the cell that has successfully worked on the public. I did think watching it a second time. Do her parents' oversights make a little more sense if they have a second kid? If in between four and five?

• 1:28:57David Sims?

  You mean if they're just kinda like, geez, you know, I, I don't know, we're like, we're stretched thin? It's true, Bonnie is an only child.

• 1:29:02Griffin Newman?

  Right, I was like, they, they seem hyper focused on Bonnie and also making some easy mistakes.

• 1:29:09David Sims?

  I, I, maybe, I don't know, I mean.

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  Maybe one of them has a drug problem.

• 1:29:13Griffin Newman?

  The movie has to happen.

• 1:29:13David Sims?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:14Griffin Newman?

  Maybe one of them has a drug problem.

• 1:29:15Speaker 03

  But I guess like, it's, they're not, they're not taking enough of an active role.

• 1:29:20Griffin Newman?

  Correct.

• 1:29:20Speaker 03

  Where they should have, the parents should have made a, like a playdate.

• 1:29:24Speaker 02

  Right, like what are they fucking doing? They're just like leaving her in a room.

• 1:29:27Speaker 03

  Waiting for her to kinda make it happen through like a group chat.

• 1:29:31David Sims?

  I guess so. Again, you're, you're, look, I'm analyzing the behavior of cartoon parents in a cartoon movie that has to have or have an iPad to have the movie, story happen. Obviously, it's hard to make your kid make friends at this age, I'm sure, because you can't like go to school and be like, hey, you, you know, my kid wants to be your friend, like, you know, that's not gonna work.

• 1:29:50Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:50David Sims?

  That's not how kids make friends.

• 1:29:52Griffin Newman?

  For sure.

• 1:29:52David Sims?

  Uh, so, I mean, obviously she goes to dance class, as we know, because that's who she's connected to via Lily Pad.

• 1:29:58Griffin Newman?

  That's true.

• 1:29:59David Sims?

  So she's already going, they have signed her up for classes, but clearly she's struggling to make friends.

• 1:30:03Speaker 02

  Another lesson of this film is that dance is really clicky.

• 1:30:07David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:07Speaker 02

  And the girls are mean.

• 1:30:08Griffin Newman?

  This is the thing I love, and, uh, friends of the show, Adam Volrich, Dom Nero, hosts of the Eye of the Duck podcast. I was texting with them about the movie, and they said, a good thing this movie does, in their opinion, that I agree with, is it definitively establishes, some kids are just shitty.

• 1:30:25David Sims?

  Lily gets redeemed.

• 1:30:27Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:30:27David Sims?

  Somewhat. It makes no effort to be like, oh, and those kids, they didn't mean it. It's just kinda like, yeah, no, I guess.

• 1:30:31Speaker 02

  Fuck those kids.

• 1:30:32Griffin Newman?

  Some kids suck.

• 1:30:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, people are just bullies.

• 1:30:35David Sims?

  To each other.

• 1:30:36Speaker 03

  And it just, it's just the nature of the world.

• 1:30:39Griffin Newman?

  Cause the Sid argument, you can always say, like, Sid's creative, he doesn't know he's hurting them, he doesn't think they're alive, like, he's not an ill intentioned person.

• 1:30:45Speaker 02

  Seems like his home life is, there's a lot of stuff going on there.

• 1:30:48Griffin Newman?

  There are a lot of kids with fucking negligent parents who are growing up shitty in the world of Toy Story 5.

• 1:30:54David Sims?

  I guess so.

• 1:30:55Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:30:55David Sims?

  But also kids are mean to each other. Like, again, it's like, you can only control so much in the world, of course, kids will be mean to each other. It's how kids explore everything. They don't, you know, they don't have fully developed senses of empathy or whatever, they're not, you know, you, I, it's, it's, you know, I've, it's happened in pre-K, like, you know, like, you know, of course, kids are mean.

• 1:31:14Griffin Newman?

  Jessie's very invested, almost like a parent, in how do I get her to connect and feels that she can help facilitate.

• 1:31:20David Sims?

  You know, like Woody is like that in 3 and 4 especially, especially in 4, like the whole idea is, he's like, well, I'll go to kindergarten.

• 1:31:27Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:27David Sims?

  To help Bonnie, and it's kinda like, bro, you know, you're being too extra.

• 1:31:31Griffin Newman?

  This is the dramatic tension where they're like.

• 1:31:34David Sims?

  Being a bit of a, fuck, what's the ranch called?

• 1:31:36Speaker 02

  Rootin' tootin'.

• 1:31:37David Sims?

  You're being a little rootin' tootin' ranch stressing about this.

• 1:31:39Griffin Newman?

  You're putting a little too much rootin' tootin' ranch stress on, but, uh, yes, she tries to do it and then realizes that she accidentally embarrasses Bonnie, that other kids are growing out toys. Now, I remember when the trailer came out, David.

• 1:31:52David Sims?

  Yes.

• 1:31:52Griffin Newman?

  You were like, I reject this premise, my daughter loves toys more than anything. What is a?

• 1:31:57David Sims?

  I don't remember this. What do you mean?

• 1:31:58Griffin Newman?

  You did text this. The idea that it's like toys are outmoded, no one cares anymore.

• 1:32:02David Sims?

  She's not gonna wanna play with her toys, cause she'll only wanna play with the iPad or whatever. Uh huh, right, okay.

• 1:32:08Griffin Newman?

  What is a sort of like studied thing is that kids are aging out of toys at an earlier age.

• 1:32:13David Sims?

  Sure.

• 1:32:13Griffin Newman?

  And tech is often thought of as the sort of like, that's what's bridging the gap.

• 1:32:18Speaker 03

  And Jessie keeps saying throughout the film that technology is making kids grow up faster.

• 1:32:23Griffin Newman?

  I know, and I do think that is true.

• 1:32:24Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 1:32:25David Sims?

  Yeah, this is the fear, I guess.

• 1:32:27Griffin Newman?

  And that Bonnie seems a little bit younger, she seems.

• 1:32:30David Sims?

  I like how you said Jessie says that, like, like, it's like, Jessie, who's a professor of toyology.

• 1:32:35Griffin Newman?

  Correct.

• 1:32:35David Sims?

  With a degree from the University of Toy.

• 1:32:38Griffin Newman?

  Yup.

• 1:32:41David Sims?

  You know, kids are growing up faster. I'm like, Jessie, you live in a closet, like, you know, what the fuck, you're not reading periodicals on this.

• 1:32:47Griffin Newman?

  It's a walk-in.

• 1:32:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, where is she getting, like, where is she getting all of this, like, exposure to other?

• 1:32:53David Sims?

  She gets on the walkie talkie and Woody's like, I live in a skunk robot.

• 1:32:58Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:58David Sims?

  And I'm, I'm hearing a lot of things too.

• 1:33:00Griffin Newman?

  You have to remember, Jessie and Woody have been alive for like 60 years.

• 1:33:03David Sims?

  Yeah, they've been alive, right, like 60 to 70 years, if they're like 50s or 60s toys, right, that's the idea.

• 1:33:10Speaker 02

  The whole thing was that Jessie wasn't played, Jessie was, wasn't played with for like 30 years.

• 1:33:15David Sims?

  The thing the movies won't touch is who was Woody's owner before Andy.

• 1:33:19Speaker 02

  I thought it was his family heirloom.

• 1:33:20David Sims?

  But they won't say, he won't talk about it. He talks about Andy like his first.

• 1:33:25Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:33:26David Sims?

  Owner.

• 1:33:26Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 1:33:27David Sims?

  And he's not like, of course, I'm a fucking old toy and I was played with by Andy Senior before he went off to the war and he died. Or whatever.

• 1:33:36Griffin Newman?

  I really thought 4 was gonna do one line.

• 1:33:39David Sims?

  Uh huh.

• 1:33:40Griffin Newman?

  And they didn't, it's always just family heirloom.

• 1:33:41David Sims?

  Kinda like, eh, it's too complicated, who cares?

• 1:33:44Griffin Newman?

  Right, and also the short answer.

• 1:33:45David Sims?

  They also won't explain like, why is there a Pope car in the car world? Are the cars Catholic?

• 1:33:50Griffin Newman?

  Well, because they need guidance, what do you mean?

• 1:33:52David Sims?

  No, but I'm just saying like, why is he the Pope?

• 1:33:54Speaker 02

  3 is about religion.

• 1:33:55Griffin Newman?

  Some popes are Catholic, some cars are Catholic. The Vanessa Redgrave car is Catholic.

• 1:34:01Speaker 02

  Vanessa Redgrave voices?

• 1:34:02Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, Franco Nero, they play Luigi's Italian aunt and uncle car.

• 1:34:07David Sims?

  Sounds very not, uh, stereotypical. This is real, this is the movie that makes the other movie look like the other movie.

• 1:34:13Griffin Newman?

  Cars 2 is the most demented film ever made. I rewatched it again recently to be like.

• 1:34:16Speaker 02

  Vanessa Redgrave voices an Italian car?

• 1:34:19Griffin Newman?

  In a small role, I would even say, an insignificant role. She maybe only speaks Italian in the movie, in the English dub? Uh, yeah, her and Franco Nero play Italian relatives, uh, who they visit in a small Cars town.

• 1:34:34Speaker 03

  Okay, so Bonnie gets the tablet.

• 1:34:36Griffin Newman?

  Well, I, no, I was gonna mention, in, in Jessie's failed attempt, cause this, this predates it, in Jessie's failed attempt to try to set Bonnie up to make friends, she ends up behind the house with the toys who are all now traumatized by being abandoned by their owner.

• 1:34:52Speaker 03

  They're in a kiddie pool or whatever.

• 1:34:54Griffin Newman?

  There's the kiddie pool, it's some of our Party Saurus Rex friends, and all these toys are like doomsday, like tech is coming, you don't understand, it's over.

• 1:35:02Speaker 03

  There's like, uh, the monkey with the symbol, wind-up doll, that's pretty funny, kinda calling out funny moments.

• 1:35:08Griffin Newman?

  The bunny with the drumstick.

• 1:35:10Speaker 03

  He's just like, he's like, doing the Homer Simpson meme kinda.

• 1:35:13Griffin Newman?

  Tap, tap.

• 1:35:14Speaker 03

  David's just giving me a blank look.

• 1:35:16David Sims?

  Yeah, I mean, I remember.

• 1:35:17Griffin Newman?

  Blank check look, that's, that's what he was giving me.

• 1:35:19David Sims?

  Money in the bank.

• 1:35:20Griffin Newman?

  Um, so Jessie's got this warning of, beware.

• 1:35:24David Sims?

  Right, they're all iPad addicted now.

• 1:35:26Griffin Newman?

  And then she sees the box arrive, Lily Pad comes out, and immediately she's got an attitude.

• 1:35:31Speaker 03

  Attitude, she's also just like fucking addicted, immediate.

• 1:35:35David Sims?

  Oh no, but, but she, but Ben, uh, Griffin's saying that Lily, the character, has an attitude.

• 1:35:40Griffin Newman?

  Lily has an attitude, Bonnie's addicted.

• 1:35:42David Sims?

  She's kinda snarky, she's kinda like, well, I know what's best, you know, like, she's got that vibe.

• 1:35:46Griffin Newman?

  Calls Jessie Jessica.

• 1:35:48David Sims?

  Which I think is funny, because I think that is kind of the vibe of tech of like, well, I've solved all the problems.

• 1:35:52Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:53David Sims?

  I, as technology, am like, voiced by Greta Lee.

• 1:35:56Griffin Newman?

  Uh huh.

• 1:35:56David Sims?

  In the grand tradition of Pixar, being like, I don't know, who's like, kinda been in some good grown-up movies recently?

• 1:36:01Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, also like, who was sort of cresting three years ago when we started developing this movie? At one point, it was announced that Anna Faris was in this movie, and it's unclear if Greta Lee replaced her or she was supposed to play a different character.

• 1:36:14David Sims?

  Anna would make sense as like a kinda chirpy, uh, tech, you know, Anna's so good at that kind of, like, you know, making fun of that.

• 1:36:20Griffin Newman?

  But it's, it's almost better to have a voice that's a little steelier.

• 1:36:23David Sims?

  How's Anna Faris in, um, Scary Movie 6 or whatever?

• 1:36:26Speaker 02

  She doesn't look well, is all I will say.

• 1:36:29Griffin Newman?

  I, I, I would agree with that, she is so good in Scary Movie 6, and it helps that she's doing the Jamie Lee Curtis, I've been going crazy in my house waiting for my revenge thing.

• 1:36:39David Sims?

  I haven't seen the film.

• 1:36:41Speaker 02

  Griffin's seen it multiple times.

• 1:36:42Griffin Newman?

  I've seen it twice, I think it's very funny. I think it also is like, really good at the Legacy sequel shit.

• 1:36:49David Sims?

  Sure, it's making fun of it.

• 1:36:50Griffin Newman?

  The whole movie is the Legacy sequel characters being so angry at the young characters, who are like trying to be like, we're the leads now, and they're like, fuck you guys so hard, this sucks, no one wants to see your movie. And Anna Faris plays the sort of shell-shocked PTSD trauma plot survivor character.

• 1:37:06David Sims?

  Did you see it?

• 1:37:08Speaker 02

  Did I see Scary?

• 1:37:09David Sims?

  Scary Movie 6.

• 1:37:10Griffin Newman?

  How many times did you see it?

• 1:37:12David Sims?

  Marie's just, Marie's just looking at me.

• 1:37:15Griffin Newman?

  She's going into the sunken place.

• 1:37:16David Sims?

  People won't even say that whether you saw it, they just look at you like this.

• 1:37:20Griffin Newman?

  David's doing the whale.

• 1:37:21David Sims?

  No, wait, in the whale meme, he's actually doing a different face in that meme, so I can't do it.

• 1:37:26Speaker 02

  Different face.

• 1:37:26Griffin Newman?

  And in the whale meme, he's thinking that people are amazing.

• 1:37:29David Sims?

  People are amazing.

• 1:37:30Speaker 02

  No, I didn't see, I've never seen a single scary movie.

• 1:37:33David Sims?

  I'm not sure that I've ever seen one in full, to be honest.

• 1:37:36Griffin Newman?

  This one has a really good K-pop Demon Hunter parody, that is fully animated.

• 1:37:40Speaker 02

  I think you're the only person, like, I don't know, on the planet.

• 1:37:43David Sims?

  People were generally negative about this film.

• 1:37:45Griffin Newman?

  I'm like a little surprised, I'm not like saying like, five stars, I'm, go see it. I was like, I think this is funny, and I rewatched all the previous ones recently, and they're not better than this.

• 1:37:58David Sims?

  But are they worse?

• 1:37:59Griffin Newman?

  Several of them are.

• 1:38:01David Sims?

  Right.

• 1:38:01Griffin Newman?

  And I feel.

• 1:38:02David Sims?

  But are they, no, I guess, sorry, but are they good?

• 1:38:04Griffin Newman?

  Uh, some of them are, half of them are not. 4, 5 is one of the.

• 1:38:09David Sims?

  In my memory, they're kind of all bad.

• 1:38:11Griffin Newman?

  5 is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

• 1:38:13David Sims?

  Right, and that's the one Anna Faris isn't even in.

• 1:38:15Griffin Newman?

  Correct. That's one of the worst films like ever, to get a wide release, truly.

• 1:38:20David Sims?

  Maybe you just couldn't handle the truth of all the satire.

• 1:38:23Griffin Newman?

  5 was written and shot, directed by Malcolm D. Lee.

• 1:38:27David Sims?

  Yes.

• 1:38:27Griffin Newman?

  To primarily be a black swan parody, and then in January, Mama came out and opened pretty well, and they panicked and went, what if the movie's Mama instead? And they reshot the movie to be 50% Mama six weeks before it came out.

• 1:38:42David Sims?

  Sounds good.

• 1:38:43Griffin Newman?

  With David Zucker taking over.

• 1:38:44David Sims?

  Yeah, I was about to say, that sounds good.

• 1:38:45Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, it feels like that.

• 1:38:47David Sims?

  I'm gonna read another Ben tweet.

• 1:38:48Griffin Newman?

  A movie made in a month.

• 1:38:49David Sims?

  December 2019. In The Sopranos pilot, Christopher mentions his cousin went to my high school, then shoots someone.

• 1:38:56Speaker 03

  It's true.

• 1:38:57David Sims?

  That's the, that's a good tweet.

• 1:38:58Speaker 03

  This is a fact. High school.

• 1:38:59Griffin Newman?

  Bonnie gets on the pond. She starts making friends. She gets invited to a sleepover. Jesse and Bullseye sneak into the suitcase to accompany her and she is embarrassed by having toys.

• 1:39:12David Sims?

  Yes. So this is the thing, right? Like Bonnie is now being seen as a baby by other kids because she likes, she wants to play with toys and do goofy voices and pretend and right and.

• 1:39:24Griffin Newman?

  And Lily Pad really takes it as a like, see, I'm right.

• 1:39:28David Sims?

  I'm right. She just needs to be networked. She needs to be keeping up to date on all the games they play on my OS.

• 1:39:35Speaker 02

  Every morning before school, she has to be like, you know, checking in with the group chat.

• 1:39:40Speaker 03

  Even the way that they engage with each other is they're all just sitting next to each other, but looking at a screen.

• 1:39:47Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:39:48David Sims?

  I just have to address this. Ben is basically acting like we just watched like a news hour. Can I, a PBS news hour documentary about how kids actually are. It is a movie. I'm not sure they're all actually in their rooms tapping away on tablets.

• 1:40:04Speaker 03

  I don't know. I see teens out.

• 1:40:06David Sims?

  Well, the teens, it's different. The teens, it's bad.

• 1:40:09Speaker 03

  They're sitting at the table, you know, at the whatever, at the fast food place and they're all just staring at their phone. They're not engaging with each other.

• 1:40:16Speaker 02

  I'm kinda like that.

• 1:40:17David Sims?

  Right. We're all, we've all been guilty of this in our lives.

• 1:40:20Speaker 03

  I know. Same, but I'm trying to get away from it.

• 1:40:23Speaker 02

  Record every episode staring at a screen.

• 1:40:26David Sims?

  Well, that's true. I mean, I mean, how else would I tell you Ben Hozley on my birthday in 2019 tweeted, I've decided my new bit is I'm serious, which is funny.

• 1:40:38Griffin Newman?

  No greater bit.

• 1:40:40Speaker 03

  Oh shit. Okay. I was, I was not sure if I was gonna do this.

• 1:40:45Griffin Newman?

  Do it.

• 1:40:45Speaker 03

  We don't have to.

• 1:40:46Griffin Newman?

  Do it.

• 1:40:47Speaker 03

  Screen time challenge, guys.

• 1:40:49Griffin Newman?

  Screens down?

• 1:40:49Speaker 03

  So what do you, how do you?

• 1:40:52Griffin Newman?

  Oh, to literally do the count?

• 1:40:53David Sims?

  To like look it up?

• 1:40:54Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:55David Sims?

  Can't be good.

• 1:40:56Speaker 02

  Okay. I just need to preface this by saying my job is phone.

• 1:41:00Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. Unfortunately, I mean.

• 1:41:02Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:41:03Griffin Newman?

  We're all kind of in job is tech territory.

• 1:41:06David Sims?

  It's, that is the thing I wore, I, I deal with a little bit. It's not so much job, although I don't like that it's job.

• 1:41:12Speaker 02

  Wait, are we doing daily average?

• 1:41:14David Sims?

  Yeah, whatever it says every week.

• 1:41:15Speaker 03

  I got five hours, three minutes.

• 1:41:18Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm four hours, seven minutes.

• 1:41:21Speaker 03

  That's great.

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  But that's because my job is phone, but also my job is computer.

• 1:41:25David Sims?

  I was about to say.

• 1:41:26Speaker 02

  I text people from computer.

• 1:41:28David Sims?

  As do I and I slack from.

• 1:41:30Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:41:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:31David Sims?

  Mine is five hours, 12 minutes.

• 1:41:34Griffin Newman?

  I seemingly either turned mine off or never turned it on. So it has no report from me. It, it says, look here.

• 1:41:40David Sims?

  18 hours.

• 1:41:41Griffin Newman?

  App and website activity. Turn on or not.

• 1:41:43Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 1:41:45Speaker 03

  You broke it.

• 1:41:45David Sims?

  But I have the problem also of like, cause I'm always like, I should get one of those brick things and I should brick my phone more often, blah, blah. And then I'm like, but like, it's so irritating how so much of my life is on the phone.

• 1:41:56Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:41:56David Sims?

  My admin, you know, that kinda like the school shit, the class app, like the fucking shopping I do for the family or whatever, all this crap.

• 1:42:07Speaker 02

  School ones and I had to download an app for it.

• 1:42:10David Sims?

  That's really, Class Dojo, you had to get.

• 1:42:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's something. I don't know. And I'm like, this is fucking nuts. I'm just there to like, you know, pick up this child.

• 1:42:18Griffin Newman?

  I, I try to push away, but it is like the nature of what we do and this being a thing that exists on the internet. There's just like a constant amount of stuff that we need to respond to that happens through devices.

• 1:42:29David Sims?

  It's annoying.

• 1:42:30Griffin Newman?

  In addition to obviously watching a lot of stuff and like researching a lot of stuff and then, you know, obviously there's a blitz event right now with Lily Pad and Bonnie and I'm trying to unlock them both.

• 1:42:40Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 1:42:41David Sims?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:42:41Speaker 02

  Uh, I bet your Disney emoji blitz time is probably bigger than.

• 1:42:45David Sims?

  That might be a scary number to read.

• 1:42:47Griffin Newman?

  I went to battery usage and it does say that 20% of my battery usage is emoji blitz, which I think I got down a little bit.

• 1:42:54David Sims?

  What would happen if you stopped playing Disney emoji blitz?

• 1:42:57Griffin Newman?

  We, we can throw out any sort of wild hypotheticals in this episode.

• 1:43:01David Sims?

  What would happen if there were no planes in the sky?

• 1:43:03Speaker 03

  Pigs took their place and flew.

• 1:43:08David Sims?

  All right. So Bonnie's, uh, is, gets quickly hooked on the pad. Um, and, uh, she's just a little zombie and she doesn't want to play with her toys.

• 1:43:15Speaker 02

  She's getting bullied for playing with toys, which is constantly what we do to Griffin.

• 1:43:19Griffin Newman?

  This is true.

• 1:43:20David Sims?

  True. Of course Griffin is not a year old.

• 1:43:21Griffin Newman?

  I laugh all the way to the bank.

• 1:43:23Speaker 03

  Okay. And we should say, cause Jesse and Bullseye, right? They go off.

• 1:43:28Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:43:28Speaker 03

  With Bonnie and then end up getting sent over to Bonnie's original.

• 1:43:33Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, no, you're skipping a couple of steps here because of course what happens first is she gets on the walkie talkie with Woody.

• 1:43:40Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:43:41Griffin Newman?

  This is my hottest take in the movie. I think Tom Hanks remains great at playing this character.

• 1:43:46Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:43:46Griffin Newman?

  I think everything they do with Woody is funny. I do think this movie would kind of work better if Woody was not in it, period.

• 1:43:52David Sims?

  What he lifts out of the movie for sure, but I don't remember feeling that he was actually like actively a drag on the movie.

• 1:43:58Griffin Newman?

  Anything.

• 1:43:59David Sims?

  Like, but it is certainly, the movie is basically like, well, you're here because you have to be, but the joke will essentially be like, we don't really.

• 1:44:06Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:44:06David Sims?

  You don't really have a purpose.

• 1:44:07Speaker 03

  Hey, he's kinda bald now.

• 1:44:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:09David Sims?

  That's fun.

• 1:44:10Speaker 02

  I love his poncho.

• 1:44:12Speaker 03

  His poncho is cool.

• 1:44:14Griffin Newman?

  Not just a poncho, but his paunch.

• 1:44:16Speaker 02

  He got a poncho.

• 1:44:18David Sims?

  Which actually I've struggled with the physics of that.

• 1:44:20Griffin Newman?

  The stuffing has come loose. It's redistributed in his body. It makes actually perfect sense.

• 1:44:25David Sims?

  But then why does he suck it back in?

• 1:44:27Griffin Newman?

  Because he's self-conscious, much like his bald spot.

• 1:44:30David Sims?

  Cause he has air that he breathes?

• 1:44:32Griffin Newman?

  No, he's like pushing it back.

• 1:44:33Speaker 02

  David, stop, stop.

• 1:44:35David Sims?

  Okay.

• 1:44:35Griffin Newman?

  It's a posture thing.

• 1:44:36David Sims?

  But I, Woody is firmly supporting and is a supporting character in the film.

• 1:44:42Speaker 02

  A thing that I didn't like.

• 1:44:43Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:44:44Speaker 02

  The walkie talkie.

• 1:44:46David Sims?

  Why, why you know, like?

• 1:44:47Speaker 02

  Buzz doesn't know it exists?

• 1:44:49David Sims?

  Yeah. I'm not sure why that needed to happen, except for the plot mechanics of Buzz kind of accidentally thinks he needs to get involved.

• 1:44:56Griffin Newman?

  I read it as, yes, a Jesse insecurity thing of that I consult Woody for help and also Buzz's insecurity of if she knows.

• 1:45:05David Sims?

  Help me or whatever.

• 1:45:06Griffin Newman?

  It's both of their fragile male egos. I, I buy this. It doesn't feel like it undoes for, you're like, if Woody's whole thing is that he goes around saving toys and we see him saving a little Matty Matheson out of a, a tree with his gang.

• 1:45:19David Sims?

  Yeah, no, I, I didn't care. I was.

• 1:45:20Griffin Newman?

  He comes back. It doesn't feel like it's undoing anything. And then he's just funny. It's just a lot of bits of him and Buzz fighting and people joking about how old he looks. But he is firmly supporting it.

• 1:45:30David Sims?

  I assume there are people on yawn internet who are like, they, you know, Toy Story four ends with an emotional goodbye. How could they undo this? They're ruining the emotion of that moment. And to them, I say, you know, it'll be okay.

• 1:45:42Griffin Newman?

  I also think the ending still stands. Like I'm a four lover.

• 1:45:46David Sims?

  Right.

• 1:45:46Griffin Newman?

  And it's like, the ending is still like, yeah, well, if he got a call that he needed, they needed help, he would do that. And then he'll leave again, which he does.

• 1:45:54David Sims?

  Sure.

• 1:45:54Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:56David Sims?

  Does it ever come up? Do you think Bonnie's ever like, hey, what happened to that other fucking cowboy?

• 1:46:01Griffin Newman?

  Well, you have to remember in four, she doesn't really like Woody. So.

• 1:46:04David Sims?

  I know, but she doesn't know he exists.

• 1:46:06Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. Oh, we lost that somewhere.

• 1:46:07David Sims?

  Right. They just don't care that much about Woody.

• 1:46:09Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:10David Sims?

  But do you think Andy ever, who lives next door is like, hey, where's Woody? My fucking beloved toy.

• 1:46:15Griffin Newman?

  David, you sound like the Reddit now. They're like, Andy gave it to her with a speech explaining that he was the most important character. And she didn't even notice.

• 1:46:23Speaker 02

  Andy doesn't live next door.

• 1:46:25David Sims?

  Isn't that how he ends up giving her the box?

• 1:46:28Speaker 02

  Because the mom, Andy's mom.

• 1:46:30David Sims?

  Yeah. Oh, I get, but it's like Andy's moving.

• 1:46:32Griffin Newman?

  Andy's mom, he was going to college.

• 1:46:34David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:35Griffin Newman?

  Andy's mom donates him to the preschool. Bonnie's, Bonnie's mom runs the preschool.

• 1:46:40David Sims?

  Yeah. But then why is Andy there?

• 1:46:42Speaker 02

  Because.

• 1:46:43David Sims?

  At the end.

• 1:46:43Speaker 02

  Because Andy's mom is like, I don't know. Maybe he's like, oh, that's a little.

• 1:46:47David Sims?

  Next door.

• 1:46:48Speaker 02

  No, he drove. He drives. I just rewatched the movie.

• 1:46:51David Sims?

  Who gave him a license?

• 1:46:52Speaker 02

  He's going to college.

• 1:46:53Griffin Newman?

  He's 18 years old.

• 1:46:54David Sims?

  No, but what state? Where do they live?

• 1:46:56Griffin Newman?

  Tri-county area, of course.

• 1:46:58David Sims?

  He got a tri-county license.

• 1:46:59Griffin Newman?

  Tri-county.

• 1:46:59David Sims?

  One of them fancy tri-county licenses.

• 1:47:02Griffin Newman?

  Once Woody comes in, they try to really go aggressive against, uh, Lily Pad and.

• 1:47:07David Sims?

  Right. They, they go to war. They unplug her.

• 1:47:09Griffin Newman?

  Right.

• 1:47:10David Sims?

  They're like, and they, when do they discover that if you say, hey, Lily, she snaps into Siri mode? Cause I thought that was very funny.

• 1:47:16Speaker 02

  Much later. It's very funny. I liked the running bit that every time a tech toy is running low on battery.

• 1:47:24Griffin Newman?

  They're drunk.

• 1:47:24Speaker 02

  They're drunk.

• 1:47:25David Sims?

  That was good.

• 1:47:26Speaker 03

  Well, this is what kinda what I was trying to get us to.

• 1:47:28Griffin Newman?

  Jesse gets knocked out of the house. I just had to establish Woody coming back first.

• 1:47:31David Sims?

  Totally.

• 1:47:31Griffin Newman?

  Jesse gets knocked out of the house and then found by an elderly hippie burnout couple, which is another thing I love that they're just specific people.

• 1:47:39David Sims?

  Yeah, it's very California.

• 1:47:41Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:47:41Speaker 03

  Sounds like we're saying funny a lot.

• 1:47:43David Sims?

  Who, uh, I thought the movie was funny. I, I had a good time with this movie. I was, I was having a good time, right? Watching. I wasn't sitting there being like, well, well, well. Huh.

• 1:47:51Griffin Newman?

  Just pay some respect to the Ben Hozley news hour. Also, every time he's speaking in this way, he is sitting at his desk with his.

• 1:47:58David Sims?

  Well, I'm trying to work up a posture. I'm gonna read a Hozley tweet right now.

• 1:48:01Speaker 02

  Did you guys talk about how we got new chairs in the office and that they're like better for our posture?

• 1:48:06Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:06David Sims?

  This is from December 2018. Hey, country road's too curvy.

• 1:48:12David Sims?

  It's true. Um, so, uh, who voices do you know? Is anyone funny?

• 1:48:17Griffin Newman?

  I didn't notice anyone specific, um, but, uh, they notice of course that, uh, Emily, Jesse's original owner wrote her name inside the trap.

• 1:48:24David Sims?

  Right. She'd, oh, and her.

• 1:48:25Speaker 02

  And her dress.

• 1:48:26David Sims?

  That's what's vital. So they take her to this sort of, I guess it's like in the boonies or whatever, cause it's kind of on a farm.

• 1:48:32Griffin Newman?

  Right. A horse girl named Blaze.

• 1:48:34David Sims?

  Uh, is the now occupant of this home.

• 1:48:38Griffin Newman?

  With her parents.

• 1:48:39David Sims?

  Now Griffin, are you feeling worried? I know that like, I'm sure this was a big part of the rumor mill.

• 1:48:46Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:48:47David Sims?

  Of like, okay, they're gonna, they're gonna dig into the Jesse owner thing.

• 1:48:50Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:51David Sims?

  Are you sitting there like, I hope we meet Jesse's original owner or are you worrying like, this is my, that was my guess that you're worrying like. Oh no, Jessie's owner will be a character.

• 1:49:01Griffin Newman?

  Some pictures.

• 1:49:01David Sims?

  This is something that'll be in the movie in a big way.

• 1:49:04Griffin Newman?

  Some pictures and stuff hinted at the original house and people were like, that looks like the tire swing from the Sarah McLachlan song.

• 1:49:10David Sims?

  Right, people were kind of picking up on the.

• 1:49:12Griffin Newman?

  And I was like, her going back to the house is interesting. I like her sort of reckoning with stuff. I don't want her to see Emily.

• 1:49:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:20Griffin Newman?

  I, that was a big thing for me.

• 1:49:21David Sims?

  I obviously am less emotionally invested in this series than you, but I too was just kind of like, I think that'd be a mistake.

• 1:49:27Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:49:27David Sims?

  And I think, again, I'm thinking about it from my kid's perspective. I'm like, I think my kid wouldn't get it because she would be old.

• 1:49:33Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:49:33David Sims?

  And it would just be kind of confusing.

• 1:49:35Griffin Newman?

  I mean, Emily's quite, quite likely dead at this point.

• 1:49:38David Sims?

  Either dead or an old woman because like one assumes she owned Jessie in the sixties or whatever.

• 1:49:43Griffin Newman?

  Correct, correct. So I didn't want them to do that. And I was very relieved that it's like, nope, this is a new family.

• 1:49:49David Sims?

  There's a new family in the house.

• 1:49:50Griffin Newman?

  It allows her to tackle new issues while also dealing with the echoes and the reminders of the past. And when we get to this house.

• 1:49:57David Sims?

  I do wonder if my, my kid will be like, I don't get it.

• 1:49:59Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:59David Sims?

  Like because it is weird that it's like, wait, so this is Jessie's house, but it's different people. I don't know. We'll see. I wonder.

• 1:50:06Griffin Newman?

  We'll see.

• 1:50:06David Sims?

  Again, she might just be like, I like the potty robot. Like, you know, who knows?

• 1:50:09Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. Um, yeah. I like the internal logic whenever Toy Story gets into like the different types of toys and the different types of psychologies. But we basically go to the pool house at this ranch, the garden shed that has mostly kind of like pool toys and beach toys and things like that. They haven't been played with in years. This is like Combat Carl.

• 1:50:27David Sims?

  Pool house. I think it's just like.

• 1:50:29Speaker 02

  It's a garden shed. No, it's a playhouse.

• 1:50:30Griffin Newman?

  Little playhouse.

• 1:50:31Speaker 02

  It's a playhouse. It's not, yeah.

• 1:50:32Griffin Newman?

  It's a lot of like beach toys. It's like summer toys.

• 1:50:35David Sims?

  I guess so, but it's one of those little plastic houses you get a child. Right. Whatever.

• 1:50:39Speaker 02

  But Combat Carl's not an outdoor toy.

• 1:50:41Griffin Newman?

  He's not, but she's like drawn tattoos on him and put a tutu on him and.

• 1:50:45David Sims?

  A different Combat Carl from the Combat Carl of Toy Story four?

• 1:50:48Griffin Newman?

  This is voiced by Ernie Hudson because of course Carl Weathers was previously Combat Carl and has passed away.

• 1:50:53David Sims?

  I also love the little pizza guy played by Bad Bunny.

• 1:50:56Griffin Newman?

  Of course.

• 1:50:56David Sims?

  That really made me laugh.

• 1:50:58Griffin Newman?

  Pizza with sunglasses.

• 1:50:59David Sims?

  That's the kind of Toy Story joke that'll get a chuckle out of old Simzy right here.

• 1:51:04Speaker 03

  And then we meet Smarty Pants.

• 1:51:05Griffin Newman?

  Yes. So they've all been sitting here waiting for Blaze to return for a tea party. It's been years, but what killed them all, what ended the tea party was tech. The first device that ended everything for them and it was Smarty Pants, which Jessie reveals she was sitting on. The MVP of the movie, right?

• 1:51:20Speaker 03

  Conan is killing.

• 1:51:22Griffin Newman?

  Is on fire in this fucking thing.

• 1:51:24David Sims?

  What I liked about what he's doing is he's giving a real performance like, it doesn't really sound like Conan.

• 1:51:30Griffin Newman?

  No.

• 1:51:30David Sims?

  Certainly not like the Conan we all listened to on the first and only podcast, Conan O'Brien Needs Friends.

• 1:51:36Griffin Newman?

  Best and last.

• 1:51:39David Sims?

  He's, you know, he's sort of thought up a character here. Like obviously when you see him in Bonnie's Pretend verse and he's got the Conan hair. That's a clever little nod to who's voicing him, but my friend was like, I didn't realize that was Conan.

• 1:51:52Griffin Newman?

  It almost feels like when Conan voices the angry audience member on his show, when he goes like, why are you doing?

• 1:51:58David Sims?

  Yeah, right, right.

• 1:51:59Griffin Newman?

  It's like, it's sort of a kind of like voice in his repertoire, but it's him turned all the way up. And, uh, this is the other part where I was like, oh, I think I see what the movie's doing and it's smart. There was this sort of bridge era of tech toys.

• 1:52:16Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 1:52:16Griffin Newman?

  That Jessie is going to view as enemies. They're just like Lily Pad.

• 1:52:20David Sims?

  Right, but they are obsolete themselves.

• 1:52:22Griffin Newman?

  They're the same as her.

• 1:52:23David Sims?

  In a way.

• 1:52:24Griffin Newman?

  They're limited tech toys who had an emotional relationship with her because they weren't just a tablet to the internet. They had specific purposes. Smarty Pants, as he likes to point out, is not a chair. He is a potty training tool. He is meant to help you log your pee pee and your poo poo. Which makes it so funny every time that he gets really kind of like high and mighty about his position.

• 1:52:45David Sims?

  Right, right. I mean, I think all those gags are good.

• 1:52:48Griffin Newman?

  Always.

• 1:52:49Speaker 02

  I, every.

• 1:52:50David Sims?

  Like every little joke he has.

• 1:52:51Speaker 02

  There, it's like a, you log one for pee and two for poop. And then what is it? A fart's a 1.5?

• 1:52:57David Sims?

  Yeah, there's like a heavy fart or.

• 1:52:59Griffin Newman?

  But he's doing this sort of like, is it a number one? A number two? Like a really putting, I would say a lot of rootin' tootin' ranch on his line deliveries.

• 1:53:07David Sims?

  The bit of, um, you know, he, wait, fuck.

• 1:53:12Griffin Newman?

  His batteries have.

• 1:53:13David Sims?

  Right, his batteries have died, so he's kind of drunk.

• 1:53:15Griffin Newman?

  It's like Foster's broke.

• 1:53:16David Sims?

  It's good.

• 1:53:16Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, yeah. Um, but he gets really excited at the idea of Jessie being able to reconnect him. His batteries are low, but she has a common purpose. She needs to get back. He has tech. He can help her get back. Um, so she lets him into the house. He finds Atlas and Snappy, a GPS for kids and a like low tech digital camera, who all three of them connect to each other with like, uh, outmoded USB plugs.

• 1:53:44David Sims?

  Yes, Snappy voiced by Shelby Rabara.

• 1:53:48Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:53:48David Sims?

  Not an actress I know. Uh, she's from Steven Universe.

• 1:53:51Griffin Newman?

  That Anna Faris was supposed to play Snappy at some point. It was never clear.

• 1:53:55David Sims?

  And then Atlas is Craig Robinson.

• 1:53:57Griffin Newman?

  It's reliable. Yes. These three are basically able to like together linked up with new batteries installed, form a little like social media tech team. I like that they sort of have consciousness, but then they also have access to the outside world. Snappy can see things. Atlas can locate things. And, uh, Smarty Pants can do text.

• 1:54:20Speaker 03

  Right. This is the Pixar thing. They're so smart how they, they decided to, to create these characters and how they'll be used throughout the movie.

• 1:54:29Griffin Newman?

  I said to Ben, I think this is a real Stanton thing where he really likes the internal logic of what's a different type of toy? What would be the psychology of that toy? We haven't explored before. And what's a specific way that character can play into the story? And activate something that couldn't be done by any other character. Like there's no character put on the board in this movie in a major role. Who doesn't serve significant story function in the third act, unlocking something. And, and we were talking about, I mean, you said it, Ben, the second the movie ended last night, you went, I cannot believe that is the same person who made In the Blink of an Eye.

• 1:55:05Speaker 03

  It's crazy.

• 1:55:05Griffin Newman?

  A movie that feels so kind of like mil- misconceived on a basic level.

• 1:55:09David Sims?

  Fair point.

• 1:55:10Griffin Newman?

  And this movie is so goddamn tight. It just feels like every story idea it has has been worked down to its tightest possible point.

• 1:55:18David Sims?

  This is not as funny, Ben, but this saga I forgot about from your life, October 2018. Yup, I'm locked in my apartment. I went from homeless to too much home. Help.

• 1:55:29Griffin Newman?

  What was this saga?

• 1:55:30David Sims?

  You couldn't like open your front door?

• 1:55:32Speaker 03

  I just moved into a new apartment after couch surfing for many months and the doorknob just broke off in my hands.

• 1:55:40Griffin Newman?

  There was an episode we canceled because of that.

• 1:55:42David Sims?

  I believe you could not exit.

• 1:55:44Speaker 03

  Trapped inside.

• 1:55:44Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, we couldn't record.

• 1:55:46David Sims?

  And your, your landlord said like the bottom lock wasn't his problem. And you were like, is he just a top lock guy? Like, like.

• 1:55:55David Sims?

  Was that the place on Prostic Place? Yeah, okay.

• 1:55:57Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:59David Sims?

  One more, June 2018. Slanderman is Slenderman's lawyer.

• 1:56:03Griffin Newman?

  That's really.

• 1:56:05Speaker 02

  It's good.

• 1:56:06Speaker 03

  Fuck, maybe I gotta start tweeting.

• 1:56:07David Sims?

  I'm just saying.

• 1:56:09Griffin Newman?

  I think you need to publish a book. That's what it means to me.

• 1:56:11David Sims?

  You need to be like one of those Urban Outfitter, like wisdom of, we need the poo kind of thing.

• 1:56:15Speaker 02

  The Tao of Ben.

• 1:56:16Griffin Newman?

  We need these musings, but I don't think it has to be on social media. I mean, certainly I'm, I'm like Instagram only these days. And I wish I spent even less time on Instagram than I do, but I mostly lurk and then repost things. And I certainly feel healthier for it, not being on any of the text based apps.

• 1:56:33David Sims?

  Yeah, I don't use Twitter anymore. I'll look at it sometimes for sports. Uh, I don't, I use Instagram, but you know, I don't post much. Uh, I, um, I guess I'm on Blue Sky, but that's kind of like I post once a week on Blue Sky. I lost the poster urge. Like I cut myself of that. Like.

• 1:56:51Speaker 02

  Same. I don't post.

• 1:56:52David Sims?

  I used to have the thing when I had Twitter where I was like, any thought? I'd be like, oh, that'd be funny. You know, like, you know, like, and I just, I spent enough time, Twitter did like. Twitter started behaving in a way after this one guy bought it that really started to distress me.

• 1:57:05Griffin Newman?

  Mr. Cool you're talking about?

• 1:57:07David Sims?

  Yeah. And I just was sort of like, I guess I'll stop. And then I did, I stopped long enough that I was like, I lost the poster disease.

• 1:57:13Speaker 02

  I'm just imagining someone like replying to a Ben tweet being like, at Grock, what does this mean?

• 1:57:20David Sims?

  Right. At Grock explains.

• 1:57:22Griffin Newman?

  That's the famous thing of like early AI, uh, being asked, uh.

• 1:57:27David Sims?

  Oh, right. Yeah.

• 1:57:28Griffin Newman?

  Would Ben Hozley like the movie Slumdog Millionaire? And the response was, it's impossible to say. Ben alternates between liking wet things and dry things. The movie has both. We don't know which one he likes more these days. And we were like, Ben has outsmarted AI. It can't track his bits.

• 1:57:44David Sims?

  Yeah, love it.

• 1:57:46Griffin Newman?

  AAA gang is trying to figure out how to make a post through the pond to alert Bonnie that her toys are here. And then Jessie very quickly realizes, wait a second, is this an opportunity to also connect these two kids? Cause she notices that Blaze.

• 1:58:01David Sims?

  Yes.

• 1:58:01Griffin Newman?

  Who has grown out of toys and grown out of these tech toys is an animal kid.

• 1:58:05David Sims?

  But she likes animals and she's still got a creative sensibility.

• 1:58:09Griffin Newman?

  Plays with the animals like they're toys, which I also thought was smart in terms of like any hand wringing panic about like, is tech the death of everything? You're like, well, but like are toys getting us away from us existing with nature? Like that's also a technology, right?

• 1:58:24David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:25Griffin Newman?

  And so the only toys she still has like on display are her horse shelf because she's a horse girl.

• 1:58:30David Sims?

  Right.

• 1:58:30Griffin Newman?

  And that's just sort of for display. But otherwise she has her pig Jimmy Dean and her horse Daffodil. And Jimmy Dean, she talks to like it's a toy she does routines with.

• 1:58:40Speaker 02

  Love Jimmy Dean.

• 1:58:41Griffin Newman?

  Jimmy Dean fucking rolls.

• 1:58:44David Sims?

  Jimmy Dean's the, uh, the pet pig?

• 1:58:45Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:58:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. He's so cute. I just want him to slobber on.

• 1:58:48Griffin Newman?

  I like that he's also not like a cartoon pig, that he's like kind of a gross pig in a way that makes him cute.

• 1:58:54Speaker 02

  And like Peppa Pig's dad, he has like chin hair or whatever, but I, I like it. It doesn't bother me.

• 1:59:00David Sims?

  It's also the classic, you know, people are always like, I want a little pig, uh, you know, piglet for a pet. And it's like, you know, it's going to turn into like a big pig.

• 1:59:07Griffin Newman?

  Turn into a Jimmy Dean.

• 1:59:07David Sims?

  Even if it's like a miniature pig or whatever, like they turn into big old pigs. And that's what's happened, but she loves her pig.

• 1:59:14Griffin Newman?

  She loves Jimmy Dean.

• 1:59:15David Sims?

  Yes.

• 1:59:15Griffin Newman?

  And Jesse recognizes it. Bonnie's not like other kids. She plays, she's creative, and Blaze has got this thing. Can we set the two of them up to hang out?

• 1:59:23David Sims?

  Right.

• 1:59:24Griffin Newman?

  Woody and Buzz have followed after Jesse are committed to trying to save her and are sort of fighting about who's actually number two, who's, who's the deputy.

• 1:59:33Speaker 03

  Cause they get there because Bonnie.

• 1:59:37Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 1:59:38Speaker 03

  Has been, uh, uh, realizes she's lost Jesse.

• 1:59:42Griffin Newman?

  Bonnie gets the message.

• 1:59:43Speaker 03

  Right, right, right, right.

• 1:59:44Griffin Newman?

  It goes to her, her iPad. Lily Pad's trying to block this. This is when Woody and Buzz are sort of triangulating like, what if we unplug her charger? She loses battery. She'll get kind of drunk. Then can we interrogate her? There's the lizard that they use to activate her touchpad.

• 1:59:59Speaker 02

  That was really funny.

• 2:00:00Griffin Newman?

  They've realized the voice activation thing. They're trying to figure out how to outsmart Lily Pad and she just keeps leveling up. They're like, can we, we just got this message.

• 2:00:09Speaker 03

  Oh, right.

• 2:00:09Griffin Newman?

  From Jesse. Here's where she is. Here's the address. Here are the toys. Let's print it out. So they find it.

• 2:00:15Speaker 03

  They say, but they, I think one of them says, send it to all or something.

• 2:00:19Griffin Newman?

  Send all.

• 2:00:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:00:20Griffin Newman?

  And so it prints out, but then like Lily Pad activates the Roomba, which I like the idea that the Roomba also because Bonnie has played with it has also now sort of gained a little sentience.

• 2:00:32David Sims?

  Oh, I didn't think about that.

• 2:00:33Griffin Newman?

  Later in the film.

• 2:00:34David Sims?

  Right.

• 2:00:34Griffin Newman?

  Lily Pad, of course, wants to fuck the Roomba.

• 2:00:37David Sims?

  They don't fuck the toys.

• 2:00:39Griffin Newman?

  She wants to.

• 2:00:40Speaker 02

  Mine did. I would go like boom, boom, boom. That's how they would have sex with these things.

• 2:00:43Griffin Newman?

  Smashy play.

• 2:00:44Speaker 02

  The Barbies, yeah. Perfectly healthy. There's nothing wrong with that.

• 2:00:47David Sims?

  There's our pop.

• 2:00:48Speaker 02

  I, I was literally thinking the exact same thing.

• 2:00:50Speaker 03

  I'm getting loopy.

• 2:00:51Griffin Newman?

  Should be here in 15 minutes. I ordered it.

• 2:00:53David Sims?

  Um, so one thing to credit this movie, and it felt this way about four as well. It just looks fantastic.

• 2:01:00Speaker 02

  It does.

• 2:01:01David Sims?

  Like, it's that Pixar thing where they're just, they're so next level now with the environments and the, you know, the way they make the like lighting and the air and all that look.

• 2:01:10Speaker 02

  We talked about this.

• 2:01:10David Sims?

  It's very impressive.

• 2:01:11Speaker 02

  After the screening we went to where it was like, a lot of the shots specifically in the like Buzz Hive Mind segments are stunning.

• 2:01:21Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 2:01:22Speaker 02

  Like beautiful sunsets and like the, the fog in that, in that one moment. I'm like, this is, this is really pretty.

• 2:01:30Griffin Newman?

  He uses color like unbelievably well for mood and story.

• 2:01:34David Sims?

  You know, it's one of those things where I, I know he, he said like, this is my last animated film. I really only want, and I'm just kinda like, you're good at this.

• 2:01:41Speaker 02

  You're good at it.

• 2:01:41David Sims?

  Like, are you sure you wanna stop?

• 2:01:43Griffin Newman?

  I mean, his thing is like, I'm not primarily a fan of animation. I'm a fan of movies. I fell into this thing. I've never wanted to limit myself to that, but I think what he does that is so unique is he's, and this is a lot of what Pixar did in general, but I think he was at the forefront of pushing them towards this is like marrying the visual language of the two things together. Like a thing we commented on afterwards that is so cool in this movie is it acts like it's sort of mostly done with handheld camera? And it's very subtle, but beyond like Stanton's always been the stickler guy who's like, can we make the virtual camera operate by the real rules of a camera?

• 2:02:19David Sims?

  Right.

• 2:02:19Griffin Newman?

  Like what lens would be on this? What is our lighting source? And in this, you see the camera struggling to keep the characters in frame. Like the camera sort of like moves quickly to readjust as if the performance isn't planned. And it's a very, very subtle thing, but it like, it psychologically has an effect on you. Uh, we should say the tech buzzes, they've been activated. They go to this construction site. They use the crane. They're just in search of a star. Uh, they find a campsite for land. They're trying to find civilization. They're trying to find Star Command. And at this campsite, one of them is taken. They realize, oh, this is not scary. Maybe this is good to be played with.

• 2:03:01Griffin Newman?

  This one buzz seems happy. And then they look onto the kids' devices and they see the Jesse message from Blaze's house.

• 2:03:09David Sims?

  Right.

• 2:03:09Griffin Newman?

  They look up the address and when they use Google Maps or whatever, it places the address with a star. I just like, it's smart all the ways that they're just sort of like, she has a star on her chest. There's a star in the sky. There's a star on the map. We're just simple. We go wherever the fucking star is.

• 2:03:27Speaker 03

  When Bonnie goes to Blaze's house for the first time and then the group chat plays out where they send the crying baby images and then they all laugh.

• 2:03:36Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 2:03:36Speaker 02

  It was awful.

• 2:03:37Speaker 03

  So fucking mean, man.

• 2:03:39Speaker 02

  Fuck those girls.

• 2:03:41Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:41David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:41Griffin Newman?

  They're shitty kids.

• 2:03:42Speaker 02

  Shitty kids.

• 2:03:43David Sims?

  I hope they, I hope they get doxxed.

• 2:03:45Speaker 03

  But I do think I might use that joke if someone sends me a stupid text.

• 2:03:51Griffin Newman?

  Crying baby?

• 2:03:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. Or like whines about something. I do think there's potential there. Uh, maybe that'll be my first tweet.

• 2:03:58David Sims?

  December 2017. My nickname for Dan Lewis is the Method Man.

• 2:04:05Speaker 03

  My boy.

• 2:04:06Griffin Newman?

  Incredible.

• 2:04:18David Sims?

  Right. So Jesse, the whole time is like, you know, like you're saying, like, well, I got abandoned before I, this Bonnie thing, I'm half want to help her, but I half am like, what's the point?

• 2:04:29Speaker 02

  I can't do this again.

• 2:04:30David Sims?

  I'm only going to get forgotten again. And the thing she realizes is that no, her owner didn't forget her because she named her daughter after her.

• 2:04:39Griffin Newman?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:04:40David Sims?

  And there's, how do you, it's like, you see a picture? What, what's the?

• 2:04:43Speaker 03

  It's like a buried lunchbox.

• 2:04:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:45David Sims?

  Yeah, right. She made a little toy capsule.

• 2:04:47Griffin Newman?

  Well, she sees carved into the tree Jesse was here and she goes like, what's that?

• 2:04:51David Sims?

  That doesn't make sense.

• 2:04:51Griffin Newman?

  Arrow pointing down, time capsule, and it's a kid with a bunch of like eighties, nineties stuff. And she's like, this stuff is too new. What's going on here? And then she realizes it's her daughter. Now here's why I buy this. You have to remember that Jesse was a character on a TV show.

• 2:05:08David Sims?

  Sure. I guess so. Right? Woody's rounding up.

• 2:05:10Griffin Newman?

  Right. That this kid presumably watched a lot.

• 2:05:15David Sims?

  If you named your kid Jesse after the doll you had.

• 2:05:20Griffin Newman?

  But the character.

• 2:05:21David Sims?

  Why didn't you put the doll on the side of the road?

• 2:05:25Griffin Newman?

  That's why I'm saying, it's the character. It's the character.

• 2:05:30Speaker 03

  I think it's like later in life, she looked back.

• 2:05:32Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:33Speaker 03

  This, with nostalgia for that doll and like the name.

• 2:05:37Griffin Newman?

  Sure.

• 2:05:38Speaker 03

  I think it makes sense.

• 2:05:39Griffin Newman?

  It's like if.

• 2:05:39David Sims?

  It's enough sense.

• 2:05:40Griffin Newman?

  It's like if Ben named his son Spawn, even though he had given away his Spawn toys when he was a child.

• 2:05:45Speaker 02

  But technically, Spence's son will be Spawn.

• 2:05:49Griffin Newman?

  He will be Spawn of Hosley.

• 2:05:51David Sims?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 2:05:52Griffin Newman?

  But you could name him Medieval Spawn Hosley.

• 2:05:54Speaker 02

  Future Spawn Hosley.

• 2:05:56David Sims?

  I'm sure my wife would love it.

• 2:05:58Griffin Newman?

  Samurai Spawn Hosley.

• 2:05:59Speaker 02

  Now that I'm thinking about it, we should just talk about like your hypothetical future child, Future Spawn.

• 2:06:03Griffin Newman?

  Your daughter, she spawns Hosley.

• 2:06:04Speaker 02

  Future Spawn.

• 2:06:05David Sims?

  Future Spawn.

• 2:06:06Griffin Newman?

  Future Spawn.

• 2:06:07Speaker 02

  Cause that's technically, quite literally what they are.

• 2:06:11Griffin Newman?

  This is true.

• 2:06:12Speaker 02

  Your future spawn.

• 2:06:13Speaker 03

  You know, it's an exciting thing. I, I wanna do it at some point in my life, have a family, uh, and I'll love the kid for whatever they are.

• 2:06:23Speaker 02

  You'll love Future Spawn.

• 2:06:24David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:24Griffin Newman?

  Then we'll be.

• 2:06:25David Sims?

  Maybe don't call them Spawn. That's just my, just my take.

• 2:06:27Griffin Newman?

  Spawn's the middle name.

• 2:06:29Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 2:06:29David Sims?

  Is that better? I guess it's better.

• 2:06:31Griffin Newman?

  Abigail Spawn Hosley.

• 2:06:33Speaker 02

  Uh, US World Cup star out. Christian.

• 2:06:37David Sims?

  Be still, which?

• 2:06:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. He will miss today's pivotal game with a.

• 2:06:40David Sims?

  That's tough news for them.

• 2:06:41Speaker 02

  With a calf injury. We're dating today's episode by talking about it.

• 2:06:45David Sims?

  Been a fear because he'd had the, he came out of the last game. Well.

• 2:06:48Griffin Newman?

  We're, this will come out like six weeks after the movie comes out, but we're recording it the day the movie is technically being released because I'm about to go to Spain to do a shoot.

• 2:06:58David Sims?

  He's off to Spain. The rain in Spain. We'll stay mainly on the Griffin.

• 2:07:02Griffin Newman?

  I've been feeling so suffocated by the amount of World Cup stuff. And then I'm like, oh, right. I'm going to Spain.

• 2:07:09Speaker 02

  Why are you feeling suffocated?

• 2:07:11David Sims?

  How is it suffocated?

• 2:07:12Speaker 02

  By World Cup.

• 2:07:13Griffin Newman?

  Sports guys keep fucking with me. You know the way that Ben says that everyone fucks with him all the time?

• 2:07:18Speaker 03

  It's true.

• 2:07:19Griffin Newman?

  This only happens to me with sports guys when they're like a event. People are like fucking with me on the subway and like at like pizza restaurants.

• 2:07:26Speaker 02

  Because you're wearing like a choice story outfit right now?

• 2:07:29Griffin Newman?

  I'm just like not an alpha male. I swear to God, this happens. It only happens.

• 2:07:33Speaker 02

  Soccer guys that are bullying?

• 2:07:34Griffin Newman?

  Both, both, both.

• 2:07:36Speaker 02

  Isn't we wanna talk about Knicks fans being bullies? I'm, yes, let's have that conversation. I'm ready to talk about it.

• 2:07:41Griffin Newman?

  I don't bow to anyone their victories. It just feels like there is a sort of sports bar culture that breaks containment when things like this happen. That is all I'm saying.

• 2:07:50Speaker 02

  I'm so sorry that people are harassing you.

• 2:07:53Griffin Newman?

  It's annoying.

• 2:07:54Speaker 03

  David, after the screening.

• 2:07:56David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:57Speaker 03

  I left my credit card at a bar.

• 2:07:58David Sims?

  Oh, yeah?

• 2:07:59Speaker 03

  That was somewhat nearby.

• 2:08:00David Sims?

  Sure.

• 2:08:01Speaker 03

  I go to the bar.

• 2:08:02David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:02Speaker 03

  I have a beer.

• 2:08:04David Sims?

  Yeah, why not?

• 2:08:05Speaker 03

  I have to show my ID to get the card back. Bartender looks at it. He goes, this picture's terrible.

• 2:08:10David Sims?

  Are you fucking kidding me?

• 2:08:13Speaker 03

  So then I'm like, dude, what do you mean? Like it's, it's an ID picture, whatever.

• 2:08:19David Sims?

  Right, right.

• 2:08:19Speaker 03

  He's just like, you are so much more handsome in real life.

• 2:08:22Speaker 02

  Maybe he's, maybe he was trying to hit on you.

• 2:08:24David Sims?

  Yeah, maybe this was kinda like a naggy kinda flirt.

• 2:08:27Speaker 03

  I guess now actually that I'm reflecting on it.

• 2:08:29David Sims?

  And then he did give you his phone number, I'm hearing.

• 2:08:31Speaker 03

  Well, no, cause then I was like, let me see your ID picture.

• 2:08:33David Sims?

  All right. This also sounds like a flirt.

• 2:08:35Speaker 02

  This is flirting.

• 2:08:36Speaker 03

  And then I said it looked like shit.

• 2:08:37Speaker 02

  Oh, wait, now I wanna see your ID picture.

• 2:08:40David Sims?

  And he started crying?

• 2:08:41Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:41Speaker 03

  No, he didn't cry.

• 2:08:42David Sims?

  Okay, fair enough.

• 2:08:43Speaker 03

  But it was, there's some tension.

• 2:08:45David Sims?

  Wow.

• 2:08:46Speaker 02

  No one ever looks good in their ID picture.

• 2:08:49David Sims?

  I would agree with that.

• 2:08:50Speaker 02

  It's just like a rule. You have to look, you have to look like shit.

• 2:08:53David Sims?

  A handsome photo.

• 2:08:54Speaker 02

  All right. I'm gonna take a look at Ben's ID photo.

• 2:08:56Griffin Newman?

  Ben's gonna show us. Can I see it first, please? Can we pass it around? Yeah. I think you look exactly the same. I think that is an incredibly rude comment. That is a handsome picture of a handsome man with a gray brain.

• 2:09:10Speaker 02

  I think this man was flirting with you.

• 2:09:13Griffin Newman?

  But, but it is true that people just say shit to Ben.

• 2:09:16David Sims?

  It is a pretty good photo of you for a driver's license photo.

• 2:09:19Griffin Newman?

  It's an accurate representation of our handsome friend.

• 2:09:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:22Speaker 03

  But people do be fucking with them.

• 2:09:24Speaker 02

  They do. I've witnessed this.

• 2:09:26Griffin Newman?

  It's wild.

• 2:09:27Speaker 02

  Remember when we were in Austin and you were like, why are these guys outside a bar in Austin just like being mean to me for no reason? I'm just walking down the street.

• 2:09:34David Sims?

  My dad a lot too. There are definitely people who unconsciously invite.

• 2:09:37Griffin Newman?

  They put the vibe.

• 2:09:38David Sims?

  Like, kinda like, you can talk to me. It's okay. You know what I mean? Like, or like guys will just kinda, yeah, come up to you or like the sort of weird guy in the park will think you're ready for a conversation or whatever.

• 2:09:51Speaker 03

  Absolutely. Happens to me. It feels like all the time. I guess I just have one of those faces.

• 2:09:57David Sims?

  July 2015.

• 2:09:59Speaker 02

  2015?

• 2:10:00David Sims?

  We're going back.

• 2:10:01Griffin Newman?

  Wow.

• 2:10:02David Sims?

  I've been to Little Italy. It's small.

• 2:10:06Griffin Newman?

  Pretty good.

• 2:10:07Speaker 02

  Pretty good.

• 2:10:08Griffin Newman?

  It's getting smaller and smaller.

• 2:10:11David Sims?

  You like the Toy Story movies, Ben?

• 2:10:14Griffin Newman?

  I actually have always kind of just been like

• 2:10:17David Sims?

  This was my question. Is this the one that has, for whatever reason, maybe because you have this kind of future parent anxiety? Maybe because you remember being a kid.

• 2:10:26Griffin Newman?

  I think it's the future parent anxiety.

• 2:10:28David Sims?

  Like, that it just sort of like, like, hit you a little harder? Cause I do feel like, I, right, I'm trying to remember your general Toy Story fandom.

• 2:10:35Griffin Newman?

  I kinda had no relationship to it.

• 2:10:37Speaker 02

  You were ten when the first movie came out.

• 2:10:40David Sims?

  I mean, you like Sid.

• 2:10:41Griffin Newman?

  I love Sid.

• 2:10:42David Sims?

  But you like him in retrospect where you're like, hey, Sid, he's cool. He's got a skull on his T-shirt.

• 2:10:46Griffin Newman?

  He's creative.

• 2:10:47David Sims?

  I agree.

• 2:10:48Speaker 02

  I don't think I saw Toy Story one in theaters.

• 2:10:51David Sims?

  I did, but you were, you're a little younger than me and that's where it's like a big difference.

• 2:10:55Speaker 02

  But I also was very like gendered at the time and I was like, this is a boy movie. So I just didn't bother with it. I know. I kinda liked this movie because it was like about girl stuff.

• 2:11:06David Sims?

  I know. I'm one, again, wondering if, uh, Jessie is my daughter's favorite character. If she'll be like, that movie had more Jessie. Like, I like that.

• 2:11:14Speaker 02

  So I, I appreciated all of the, the girl stuff. And that's why I, it really upset me when Griffin said that people on the Toy Story Reddit were calling Bonnie a C-word. Because I think Bonnie is an incredible young woman. You know?

• 2:11:29David Sims?

  Anyone who does that is obviously needs to touch grass, as they say.

• 2:11:33Speaker 02

  When I was rewatching Toy Story four and watching her make Forky.

• 2:11:38David Sims?

  Yes.

• 2:11:39Speaker 02

  I was texting you guys and I was like, this is insane. Like, she is so advanced.

• 2:11:44David Sims?

  She's, she's pretty advanced for making this thing. Sure.

• 2:11:46Speaker 02

  She makes Forky, she, even the way that she writes her name on Forky, like her handwriting's really good. She has to have like excellent fine motor skills to like craft this thing.

• 2:11:57David Sims?

  My daughter can write as well as Bonnie does. She can't, uh, she can't read, but Bonnie can't read, I guess. So that, whatever, that doesn't come up.

• 2:12:05Speaker 02

  I was reading it, Bonnie. I was reading it.

• 2:12:06Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, right.

• 2:12:07David Sims?

  That's, that's show off.

• 2:12:08Griffin Newman?

  Very Bonnie coded. Also, I just want to communicate to everyone, uh, what just happened in the bathroom.

• 2:12:20David Sims?

  It's going great.

• 2:12:23Griffin Newman?

  I pushed the number one button.

• 2:12:24Speaker 02

  Oh, thank God.

• 2:12:25David Sims?

  He didn't, he didn't like say number one, though.

• 2:12:27Speaker 02

  Really, really upset if you pressed number two. And I was like, ew, Griffin.

• 2:12:34David Sims?

  Griff, are you annoyed with that toy? It feels like you were a little let down by it.

• 2:12:37Griffin Newman?

  A little bit. It doesn't work as well as I want it to.

• 2:12:40David Sims?

  You were hoping it would solve your bathroom problems.

• 2:12:42Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 2:12:43David Sims?

  Buying it would be the final piece of the puzzle.

• 2:12:45Speaker 02

  We've had, we've had smarty pants in our studio bathroom for several.

• 2:12:50David Sims?

  Can't say I've noticed.

• 2:12:51Griffin Newman?

  Weeks. I've been feeding him. He's been a little Easter egg in the bathroom.

• 2:12:54Speaker 02

  When I saw the movie, I was like, oh, that's the weird thing that Griffin has in the bathroom.

• 2:13:00David Sims?

  The thing about our studio.

• 2:13:01Griffin Newman?

  It was an actual potty training tool.

• 2:13:03David Sims?

  There's so much, there's so many Griffin toys that it, you kinda get toy blindness and you kinda don't even notice them.

• 2:13:09Speaker 02

  There aren't that many toys in the bathroom.

• 2:13:11David Sims?

  That's true, but I, I, with all honesty, had not noticed.

• 2:13:14Speaker 02

  I don't think I realized that he was meant to be a roll of toilet paper.

• 2:13:17Griffin Newman?

  Yes, which I love. It's really smart design and the handle on top of him is sort of like the toilet paper holder in the wall.

• 2:13:23Speaker 02

  Um, a couple of things just to, to, to discuss, you know, about the movie. I really loved, um, that all of the horses

• 2:13:31Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 2:13:32Speaker 02

  got to participate.

• 2:13:33David Sims?

  Yeah, fun little counter to the Buzz Army is the, the horse army.

• 2:13:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I love that Buzz gets to ride a horse that's like more of a unicorn.

• 2:13:42Griffin Newman?

  He loves it. His eyes light up.

• 2:13:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:45David Sims?

  What did you think of the Buzzes turning into drones? The sort of big third act, they finally fly.

• 2:13:50Griffin Newman?

  It's a good fucking thirty years later joke payoff. The Buzzes can finally fly. I think.

• 2:13:54Speaker 02

  Falling with style.

• 2:13:55David Sims?

  Lily feels so guilty.

• 2:13:57Griffin Newman?

  She donated.

• 2:13:58David Sims?

  She suicides.

• 2:13:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, she suicides.

• 2:14:00David Sims?

  She launches herself.

• 2:14:02Speaker 02

  She unallows herself.

• 2:14:02David Sims?

  Which I thought, I was, I was happy that she did that because she deserved it. No, no, I was just kinda like, it, like, it follows in the sort of, like, bread of these movies that the toy would be like, well, I do want the child to be happy and I know I've, you know, the child's unhappy. So it's my fault.

• 2:14:21Griffin Newman?

  I, I like that it's not like someone else teaches her to be good. It speaks to like, she actually thought she was doing the right thing. She was Robert Oppenheimer.

• 2:14:29David Sims?

  That tracked for me best. Right. Yeah. She's like Oppenheimer.

• 2:14:32Griffin Newman?

  She's a lot like Oppenheimer.

• 2:14:33David Sims?

  Until they build a bigger Lily Pad. They should have Safdie come in.

• 2:14:36Griffin Newman?

  Giant Lily Pad.

• 2:14:37Speaker 02

  Bow, you mean Bowser Jr.?

• 2:14:39David Sims?

  My daughter's favorite character in all media ever. Like, just, I mean, she, she talks about Bowser Jr. Like Putin or whatever.

• 2:14:48Griffin Newman?

  What did she say?

• 2:14:48David Sims?

  She's just like, that's the scariest bad guy in the world. That's the, that's the most incredible bad guy. She loves him so much.

• 2:14:55Griffin Newman?

  But she thinks he's scary.

• 2:14:57David Sims?

  Well, scary, but like, she's, she's just like, that's the baddest one. She thinks.

• 2:15:01Griffin Newman?

  He's pretty bad.

• 2:15:02David Sims?

  You know, like, and I think it's because his paintbrush is so powerful.

• 2:15:05Griffin Newman?

  It's really.

• 2:15:05David Sims?

  She's just kinda like, he owns Bowser. Bowser doesn't even have a paintbrush. And in the second movie, he's small.

• 2:15:12Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, he's little.

• 2:15:13David Sims?

  He's mostly comic relief.

• 2:15:14Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:15David Sims?

  Whereas Bowser Jr.'s out here painting up a storm, I guess.

• 2:15:18Griffin Newman?

  Some character arc on Bowser in that second movie.

• 2:15:20David Sims?

  It's a little disjointed.

• 2:15:22Griffin Newman?

  He starts off little, but desperate to prove that he's a good guy.

• 2:15:26David Sims?

  Kind of their friend, sort of.

• 2:15:28Griffin Newman?

  He's guilty that he maybe wasn't enough of a, a present father, even though every night he did a bespoke puppet show for his son.

• 2:15:35David Sims?

  I do feel like he was, yeah, he was putting in some effort.

• 2:15:37Griffin Newman?

  His son is causing so much terror that he's like, I feel guilty. Then his son is like, dad, I did this for you. And he's like, never mind. I think I've

• 2:15:43David Sims?

  You rock.

• 2:15:44Griffin Newman?

  Only made great decisions.

• 2:15:45David Sims?

  And then all his skin burns off and he's a skeleton. And he says he's the lord of bones.

• 2:15:52Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:15:52David Sims?

  It does. That happens in the movie.

• 2:15:54Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, that's happens in the movie.

• 2:15:56Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 2:15:58David Sims?

  Buzz, uh, drones.

• 2:16:00Speaker 02

  It's basically.

• 2:16:01Griffin Newman?

  Buzz drones. Big extended final chase sequence where they have to save Lily because Lily's the only way they're gonna be able to finally get these two kids together.

• 2:16:08David Sims?

  Right.

• 2:16:09Griffin Newman?

  For Jessie, the highest stakes are she wants the two of them to meet. She thinks they could both use the frame.

• 2:16:13David Sims?

  I like those stakes. The stakes is basically just the kinda like, can we get them to hang out and not be shy with each other and kinda connect?

• 2:16:20Griffin Newman?

  Here's another thing I thought of while watching this movie.

• 2:16:22David Sims?

  Those are some real parenting stakes.

• 2:16:23Griffin Newman?

  Those are the stakes that Inside Out two tries to establish that I think it does not execute well. And I rewatched Inside Out two last night to be like, was I too hard on this at the time? And I think that movie's shitty. And I think that movie makes it too much about like fucking hockey camp and shit.

• 2:16:39Speaker 02

  I don't think it's shitty. I think it has a really, it's fine. I think the representate, like the visual representation of what anxiety feels like, I thought was really meaningful to me.

• 2:16:48Griffin Newman?

  Everything with that character works.

• 2:16:50Speaker 02

  Um, I wish it was gayer because I think, I think that that is kind of like, sorry, David.

• 2:16:56David Sims?

  It's just really, it's, they're, they're, they're pre-sexual characters in, it's a children's film.

• 2:17:03Speaker 02

  No, not, no.

• 2:17:03Griffin Newman?

  They already established that she has crushes.

• 2:17:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, that, that, what's her name? Riley. I feel like Riley, if, if, if she's like a, you know, an adolescent.

• 2:17:12David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:13Speaker 02

  And it felt like she had a crush on the girl on her hockey.

• 2:17:16Griffin Newman?

  It really does.

• 2:17:16David Sims?

  And the girl is coded kind of tomboyish. I remember.

• 2:17:20Speaker 02

  So I was like, okay, like, that's interesting. I wish they actually like had the balls to do that, but.

• 2:17:26David Sims?

  I know. Well, maybe they should have. Maybe that's what they should have done. Inside Out two.

• 2:17:30Griffin Newman?

  I also just don't like that the movie is once again, oh no, they get kicked out of the console and they have to make their way back.

• 2:17:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:17:36Griffin Newman?

  I think it's really unimaginative that it just runs the exact same story.

• 2:17:39David Sims?

  That's my problem with the, but I don't like the world of Inside Out very much. Like the, uh, inner world. I just, it doesn't, it's not very rich. Cause it is, right. It is just always like, all right, here we are in the back and we're either like, go down a road.

• 2:17:51Griffin Newman?

  In the console or they're not.

• 2:17:53David Sims?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:53Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:54David Sims?

  I just never stuck. My daughter ever also has never cared about them. So I've only seen them like twice, like total.

• 2:18:01Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:01David Sims?

  Yeah. She doesn't like that one. Sure, maybe she will eventually.

• 2:18:04Speaker 02

  Uh, just one more important thing that we need to address. Uh, Buzz and Jessie kiss.

• 2:18:11Griffin Newman?

  Hmm. They do.

• 2:18:13David Sims?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:18:15Speaker 02

  You didn't like that, David?

• 2:18:17David Sims?

  I don't, I just, you're the king of kissing on camera.

• 2:18:20Speaker 02

  You love kissing.

• 2:18:21David Sims?

  They're toys. I just don't care about them.

• 2:18:23Griffin Newman?

  Let their little plastic faces smush.

• 2:18:25David Sims?

  I'm not stopping them.

• 2:18:26Griffin Newman?

  Let them. Don't stand in the way of their life.

• 2:18:29Speaker 02

  Is in love with Jessie because he's in love with Woody, but.

• 2:18:34Griffin Newman?

  No, you're forgetting the moment at the end of Toy Story two where Jessie does the rescue.

• 2:18:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure.

• 2:18:40Griffin Newman?

  And it's, he's impressed with her because she's high status. That's another thing I like that this movie does, that I think it does very subtly. Is Jessie the character in the TV show, of course, her divining thing is that she talks to animals, that she's a yodeling cowgirl.

• 2:18:54David Sims?

  Critter. She speaks to critters.

• 2:18:56Griffin Newman?

  In this, they sort of imply that she has that power on real animals as well.

• 2:19:00David Sims?

  She thinks she does and maybe she does.

• 2:19:03Speaker 02

  She got Daffodil to dig up the time capsule.

• 2:19:05David Sims?

  I'm not mad about it.

• 2:19:06Griffin Newman?

  She gets Jessie Dean to, to work for her. Yeah.

• 2:19:09Speaker 02

  But Woody does that with the, with Buster.

• 2:19:12Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:12Speaker 02

  In the other movies, so.

• 2:19:14Griffin Newman?

  More that it's.

• 2:19:15Speaker 02

  Toys can talk to animals.

• 2:19:17Griffin Newman?

  That Jessie believes in it more because that's what her, right, her source material is. But then this whole, like, you get your kind of final extended chase of like, how do they save Lily Pad? How are they gonna get back to the respective homes?

• 2:19:30David Sims?

  Like, yeah, it's just, it doesn't fall into the trap of we need to be bigger.

• 2:19:35Griffin Newman?

  No.

• 2:19:36David Sims?

  And, which I feel like four also didn't.

• 2:19:39Griffin Newman?

  I think it's the right size.

• 2:19:40David Sims?

  Pixar trap of like, oh my God, how do we outdo our sort of final set piece scale or whatever? Two remains, I feel like the craziest thing they ever did where they like stop a plane or whatever it is they do.

• 2:19:52Griffin Newman?

  But, but I love that they're not trying to top that.

• 2:19:54David Sims?

  No.

• 2:19:55Griffin Newman?

  Um, and it is just so funny for me. It's my favorite gag in the movie of like, you know, they're using Atlas's GPS to try to get themselves to Lily Pad. And they're sort of like, well, we're supposed to take a left here. There's a house there. It used to be a road. The map's out of date. What do we do? And they just ride through the house and you get this tracking shot that feels like it's out of weapons. Where they go from room to room and everyone in the family is just on a different device. And no one notices there are fifty Buzz Light Years on horses riding through. I think that's really funny.

• 2:20:25Speaker 02

  Yes, I, I enjoyed that.

• 2:20:26David Sims?

  It's all funny.

• 2:20:27Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:27David Sims?

  I was laughing.

• 2:20:28Griffin Newman?

  You were laughing.

• 2:20:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, we had, we had a very nice time. And then the film ends with what I would argue is Taylor Swift's best song in like five years.

• 2:20:38Griffin Newman?

  Let's acknowledge it ends with.

• 2:20:39Speaker 02

  I don't think that's a hot take.

• 2:20:41David Sims?

  I knew it, I knew you.

• 2:20:42Griffin Newman?

  It ends with Buzz and Jessie finally getting married.

• 2:20:44Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 2:20:45David Sims?

  And soon Taylor Swift will finally get married at Madison Square Garden.

• 2:20:48Griffin Newman?

  God, I've been so stressed out.

• 2:20:50Speaker 02

  I just don't get it. I don't understand.

• 2:20:52Griffin Newman?

  Also, the Taylor Swift fans keep harassing me on the subway and pizza parlors and.

• 2:20:57David Sims?

  So oppressed.

• 2:20:58Griffin Newman?

  The omni culture.

• 2:20:59Speaker 02

  But did you tell them I put hundreds of dollars in this woman's pocket? Because how many versions of the vinyl did you buy?

• 2:21:06Griffin Newman?

  I, I, excuse me, there were two versions. I bought both. I sent the receipt to the group and I was like, I hate that she's fucking got me.

• 2:21:15David Sims?

  Sure.

• 2:21:16Griffin Newman?

  That I'm like falling prey to this Taylor Swift shit with the countdown clock and the, like, it's gonna sell out. And then a week later I saw an article that they're going for hundreds of dollars.

• 2:21:25David Sims?

  Wow.

• 2:21:26Griffin Newman?

  Randy Newman's quite old. This is the first movie he didn't write a song for. He did do the score.

• 2:21:32David Sims?

  Yes.

• 2:21:32Griffin Newman?

  There are some new themes in it I like, but a lot of it is repurposed. A lot of it's reusing, uh, uh, previous, uh, and at the premiere, they played together. You see.

• 2:21:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:41Griffin Newman?

  Randy's moving pretty slowly. One of my favorite people of all time, uh, my father, of course, Randy Newman. But it was a pretty fucking insane coup for them to get Taylor Swift to do this. When was the last time, did she write a song for any movie previously?

• 2:21:54Speaker 02

  Uh, Hunger Games.

• 2:21:56Griffin Newman?

  Right.

• 2:21:57Speaker 02

  And I don't know if she's done anything besides that, but I remember also liking that song too.

• 2:22:02Griffin Newman?

  She didn't write a song for Amsterdam, rudely.

• 2:22:05Speaker 02

  No, she did not.

• 2:22:06David Sims?

  Ow! That's her song about how a car ran her over.

• 2:22:09Griffin Newman?

  Insane that they were like, if we put Taylor Swift in this, the Swifties will go see it. And you're like, what's the movie about? Investigating Taylor Swift's murder. Maybe they don't want to see this.

• 2:22:19David Sims?

  She did, of course, do a song for Fifty Shades Darker called, "I Don't Want to Live Forever."

• 2:22:24Griffin Newman?

  Okay.

• 2:22:25David Sims?

  And she did a song called Carolina for a little movie in which you heard a crawdadd song.

• 2:22:32Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, she crawdadded it up.

• 2:22:34David Sims?

  I believe she also is a co-writer on Beautiful Ghosts, the song that they did for Cats.

• 2:22:39Griffin Newman?

  You are right. You are right about that. Of course she appeared in that film as well as Bumble-ling.

• 2:22:44Speaker 02

  Bumble Arena.

• 2:22:45Griffin Newman?

  Bumble Arena.

• 2:22:47Speaker 02

  Do we have anything else to say about Toy Story 5?

• 2:22:49Griffin Newman?

  I like it a lot. It made me really happy.

• 2:22:51David Sims?

  I'm glad it made you happy.

• 2:22:52Griffin Newman?

  Yes, I, but I, but I also like, I was-

• 2:22:54David Sims?

  They keep not making you sad with these, which is good.

• 2:22:56Griffin Newman?

  It's honestly the bigger thing. I do feel like I've been brute force in therapy for a thousand different reasons. And I'm not in a place where I was like, if this movie is bad, it's going to destroy me. I was joking to Ben before the movie, like, I'm chill. It's only my psychology at stake, but I don't actually feel that way. However, every time one of these movies is good, I feel a tremendous sense of relief.

• 2:23:18David Sims?

  Now, have you noticed, and it's just coming out, you know, the movie just came out. So it's just beginning, like, more negativity about this movie online than say the other ones.

• 2:23:29Griffin Newman?

  It's weird, cause I feel like-

• 2:23:30David Sims?

  I've seen Letterboxd, I've seen tweets, like, it's always hard now to tell, like, what's kind of fake outrage and what's real. I don't know.

• 2:23:37Griffin Newman?

  I think four was greeted more warmly and then had more negativity, like, surge up later.

• 2:23:43David Sims?

  Right, yeah, yeah.

• 2:23:44Griffin Newman?

  And then I think this one oddly is like people going like, A, a return to form, or B, they finally lost the juice. It's one or the other.

• 2:23:54David Sims?

  I just like, and like my, my friend was like, all my friends hated it. And I was like, and she liked it, but I was like, hated it? Like, I was like, how can you feel that strongly?

• 2:24:04Griffin Newman?

  It's so well made.

• 2:24:05David Sims?

  It's well done, right? Exactly. Even if, my note was basically, it's like, cause Jesse at the end is like, it's about the journey, not the destination. Like, and I'm like, right, that's the lesson of two. I do feel like we're out of ideas on that front. So I was kind of like, there's a ceiling on this movie for me, quality wise, but like, yeah, it's like, it's just well done. And like, I had a good time watching it. I can't really be too mad at it, you know? Especially because these movies are just going to continue to happen.

• 2:24:29Griffin Newman?

  These movies continue to struggle with how expansive two was thematically.

• 2:24:33David Sims?

  Right.

• 2:24:34Griffin Newman?

  That it just bit off so much successfully that there's not as much left for them to explore. But I thought this movie had like many new ideas.

• 2:24:43David Sims?

  It had enough.

• 2:24:43Griffin Newman?

  And many new concepts, yes.

• 2:24:45David Sims?

  It comes to an old idea, but the tech stuff, I was like, I appreciate just running at an idea like that. I thought that was good. And so I said in my review, which is on The Atlantic, you can read it if you want.

• 2:24:55Griffin Newman?

  How would you rank the Stanton movies?

• 2:24:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was about to ask.

• 2:24:57David Sims?

  Oh, good call.

• 2:24:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause it's going to be our, our last episode of the series.

• 2:25:01David Sims?

  That is so true. Now, he hasn't made that one out.

• 2:25:03Speaker 03

  Can I pitch my idea for the next in the Toy Story franchise?

• 2:25:08Griffin Newman?

  We need to, here.

• 2:25:09David Sims?

  Now, which, which, Griffin, do you think there will be a Toy Story six?

• 2:25:13Griffin Newman?

  This, the fact that they don't-

• 2:25:14David Sims?

  Especially given that it's probably going to make a ton of money.

• 2:25:16Griffin Newman?

  The fact that they don't even attempt to make some sort of, here's the end of the series finale to this. I think it's all but guaranteed. I, I hope they continue to pace them out the way they have. It's nice that these movies aren't coming out every two years.

• 2:25:30David Sims?

  Yeah, sure.

• 2:25:32Speaker 03

  Okay, it's more of a prequel. The first Toy Story.

• 2:25:36Griffin Newman?

  Stick and hoop?

• 2:25:37David Sims?

  This is a well you like to go to, I will say. You like to go almost prehistoric.

• 2:25:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I think it would be interesting.

• 2:25:44David Sims?

  Keep going, keep going.

• 2:25:45Speaker 03

  What is like a rock and a stick?

• 2:25:47Griffin Newman?

  Yep.

• 2:25:48Speaker 03

  And like mud. And it's like, you know, primitive people and it's like exploring the, the like, what it is it means to be a toy, like as the first toy.

• 2:25:58Griffin Newman?

  But that sort of feels like Forky territory. If it's like, I made a toy out of some stuff and now what is that mean?

• 2:26:04Speaker 03

  But what is play, right? Cause like, and early men, who is the first toy to gain consciousness?

• 2:26:09Speaker 02

  Childhood is a modern concept.

• 2:26:11Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:26:11Griffin Newman?

  This is true.

• 2:26:12David Sims?

  It is.

• 2:26:12Griffin Newman?

  That's why I think it's gotta be like, you know, 20th century stick and hoop. And it's a toy that's really nauseous all the time. It's like, I'm just fucking chased.

• 2:26:22David Sims?

  But you see like ancient Roman, you know, dolls, right? Like we, we unearth these things sometimes.

• 2:26:29Speaker 03

  I guess I do do that a lot.

• 2:26:30David Sims?

  You love that.

• 2:26:31Griffin Newman?

  You love that.

• 2:26:32David Sims?

  And it's not an accusation or-

• 2:26:34Griffin Newman?

  No, it's just like-

• 2:26:35David Sims?

  The Stanton has made six films?

• 2:26:37Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 2:26:37David Sims?

  Correct? I'm not missing anything here.

• 2:26:39Griffin Newman?

  Yes.

• 2:26:39David Sims?

  So I have it ranked thusly, from one to six.

• 2:26:42Griffin Newman?

  Okay.

• 2:26:42David Sims?

  Wally.

• 2:26:43Griffin Newman?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:26:43David Sims?

  Finding Nemo.

• 2:26:44Griffin Newman?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:26:45David Sims?

  Toy Story five, Finding Dory, John Carter in the blink of an eye. I'm sorry, John.

• 2:26:51Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:52David Sims?

  The ambition of John Carter is higher than the, than the animated sequels.

• 2:26:57Griffin Newman?

  Sure.

• 2:26:58David Sims?

  I, I can't get there with, I think it's better than the animated sequels, which are two movies where I'm like, obviously these are no masterpieces, but they're well done enough that I consider them better than John Carter.

• 2:27:09Griffin Newman?

  I think I have, I think I have the same ranking.

• 2:27:11David Sims?

  But I have it over in the blink of an eye.

• 2:27:13Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, I go, uh, uh, Wally, then Finding Nemo, then I go Toy Story five, then Finding Dory.

• 2:27:21David Sims?

  And you have the same rank.

• 2:27:22Griffin Newman?

  John Carter, and, and unfortunately we're going to end with a blank.

• 2:27:26David Sims?

  I think that's where one must end.

• 2:27:28Griffin Newman?

  Yes, one must end.

• 2:27:28David Sims?

  Murray, do you prefer like Nemo to Wally? Do you have a hot take on these lists?

• 2:27:32Speaker 02

  No, I, I love Wally. I, I'm very curious to re-watch John Carter. Uh, I saw it opening weekend at the Ziegfeld. It was like the last movie I saw at the Ziegfeld before it closed down. And there were like five people in the entire theater and like, one of them was Rob Malone.

• 2:27:49Griffin Newman?

  You know, we recorded that episode some weeks in advance and I asked the question on the episode, is there any chance I like The Mandalorian and Grogu more than John Carter? And I can definitively say, no, I think John Carter is better than the last three theatrically released Star Wars movies.

• 2:28:05David Sims?

  Sure, definitely last two.

• 2:28:07Speaker 02

  I remember defending it.

• 2:28:09David Sims?

  I kind of have a soft spot for Solo, for parts of Solo.

• 2:28:12Griffin Newman?

  Cause you want to fuck that Troy.

• 2:28:13David Sims?

  No, it's, I like the, what's the Lady Proxima?

• 2:28:16Griffin Newman?

  Lady Proxima. Oh, the original skimble shanks.

• 2:28:21Speaker 02

  Uh, but I remember like defending John Carter at the time and being like, uh, this movie's good, actually.

• 2:28:27Griffin Newman?

  It's got stuff in it.

• 2:28:28David Sims?

  There's stuff.

• 2:28:28Griffin Newman?

  I, I, it's fun to defend, even if it doesn't completely work. Um, but that's been our Andrew Stanton journey. And now, of course, we're going on to Martin Scorsese.

• 2:28:38David Sims?

  That's so true.

• 2:28:39Griffin Newman?

  It's actually very true.

• 2:28:40David Sims?

  Right on to him.

• 2:28:41Griffin Newman?

  Right on to him. We've recorded a good chunk of them.

• 2:28:43David Sims?

  Yeah, we've recorded eight Martin Scorsese episodes already, you dirt jerks.

• 2:28:48Griffin Newman?

  Twenty-three?

• 2:28:49David Sims?

  Yeah, we've done about a third, is my estimation.

• 2:28:51Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:52Speaker 03

  I'm Italian.

• 2:28:53Griffin Newman?

  We're working on it. Um, I think, I think our pizza might be here. Hold on one second.

• 2:28:57David Sims?

  I'm sure it was delivered long ago.

• 2:29:02David Sims?

  Griffin just said, hey, this is Griffin calling from the, and I was like, I wonder how he's ending that sentence.

• 2:29:09Griffin Newman?

  Okay, thank you.

• 2:29:11Speaker 02

  Did-

• 2:29:11Griffin Newman?

  I pulled a Sims.

• 2:29:13Speaker 02

  Did you, did it deliver to your house?

• 2:29:15Griffin Newman?

  Yes, but my house is very close.

• 2:29:16David Sims?

  See, I could have fucking, your house isn't that close, whatever.

• 2:29:19Griffin Newman?

  My house is very close.

• 2:29:20David Sims?

  I mean, it's pretty close, but you know.

• 2:29:22Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:22David Sims?

  Yeah, but we're hungry.

• 2:29:23Griffin Newman?

  So let's end the episode and I'll go get the pizza.

• 2:29:26Speaker 02

  All right.

• 2:29:26David Sims?

  Yeah, I'm gonna get out of here.

• 2:29:28Speaker 02

  I'm just want to say it was a little disappointing they didn't do a Bad Bunny pizza.

• 2:29:31Griffin Newman?

  Uh, I did see Nighthawk.

• 2:29:33Speaker 02

  They are, I will be ordering it on Sunday.

• 2:29:36David Sims?

  Maybe I'll get that.

• 2:29:37Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, they have a flatbread.

• 2:29:38Griffin Newman?

  Pizza with sunglasses, flatbread. They got a new, uh, what, what's it called? A paella? The Italian flatbread sandwich.

• 2:29:45David Sims?

  Oh.

• 2:29:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw that on the menu. I was like, oh, interesting.

• 2:29:48Griffin Newman?

  I can't, I can't remember what movie I saw.

• 2:29:49David Sims?

  It's got ham and mango.

• 2:29:51Griffin Newman?

  It's, that's the, and plantains.

• 2:29:53David Sims?

  It's sort of like a fun, like Hawaiian pizza, you know, like this.

• 2:29:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:57Griffin Newman?

  It's a better version of a Hawaiian.

• 2:29:59Speaker 02

  I love, I, I love, uh-

• 2:30:01David Sims?

  Well, maybe I should get the Spewburger though.

• 2:30:03Speaker 02

  Um, but, oh, Ben's taking a Buzz Lightyear.

• 2:30:06Griffin Newman?

  This is the bucket we got yesterday when we saw the movie.

• 2:30:09Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 2:30:09David Sims?

  Oh, it's a bucket.

• 2:30:10Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, it's pretty good.

• 2:30:12David Sims?

  Oh.

• 2:30:12Griffin Newman?

  It's the high-tech buzz in the package and you can take the buzz out to put the popcorn in.

• 2:30:16David Sims?

  Yeah, it's like these, these things get so elaborate now that you're like, where does the popcorn go?

• 2:30:22Griffin Newman?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:30:23Speaker 02

  That was really nice.

• 2:30:24David Sims?

  It's very fancy.

• 2:30:25Griffin Newman?

  Yeah. But we're going to end this episode so I can get pizza. Is there a final thing you want to say, Murray?

• 2:30:29Speaker 02

  No, I'm just wondering like this, you know, Toy Story four definitely felt like a Woody and Bo Peep side adventure. This is a Jesse side adventure.

• 2:30:37David Sims?

  Right.

• 2:30:37Speaker 02

  Where do they go next? Cause I feel like, do they go back to the Buzzwell? Or is there, what is the next character to get their own?

• 2:30:47Griffin Newman?

  Well, the N T's of course is that the, the high-tech buzzes have droned their way down to a playground to find themselves a bunch of kids. And then high-tech Zurg is revealed.

• 2:30:57David Sims?

  Yes, I was, I couldn't wait to find out what that-

• 2:30:59Griffin Newman?

  The greatest villain, voiced by-

• 2:31:02Speaker 02

  No, the greatest villain is Bowser Jr., but Andrew Stanton.

• 2:31:05Griffin Newman?

  Andrew Stanton.

• 2:31:05David Sims?

  That's funny.

• 2:31:06Speaker 02

  I learned that from the Finding Nemo.

• 2:31:07David Sims?

  Was there a second post-credits thing?

• 2:31:09Speaker 02

  Yes, we missed it, Bad Bunny.

• 2:31:11Griffin Newman?

  Bad Bunny and Forky wrapping, along with all the other toys. It's pretty fucking great.

• 2:31:16David Sims?

  It's, uh, actually great.

• 2:31:18Speaker 03

  It's, I would call it a bop.

• 2:31:20David Sims?

  Uh, cool. That's great.

• 2:31:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, but like, what is your, as someone who's very dialed into this, what do you think?

• 2:31:25David Sims?

  Just, were you happy?

• 2:31:27Speaker 02

  He was happy.

• 2:31:28David Sims?

  I know, it's just like, I feel like that's just, it's just, you're happy.

• 2:31:31Griffin Newman?

  No, I was very happy with it.

• 2:31:32Speaker 02

  We just want you to be happy, Griffin.

• 2:31:34David Sims?

  Are you major, are you major smile?

• 2:31:37Griffin Newman?

  I'm major smile, standing, standing strong, standing tall. Uh, no, I think the big thing is, and, and this is another thing I hold against three is like, three is the movie I imagined would be the third movie. And four and five and two all did things I never could have guessed. And that's what I like about this series and I think that's what Stanton's really smart at, is he continues to kind of sit down and not go like A to B on the story, the stories.

• 2:32:03David Sims?

  Now, this is a Ben Hozley tweet from November 2014.

• 2:32:06Griffin Newman?

  This is how we're gonna end the episode.

• 2:32:07David Sims?

  So this is before Blank Check.

• 2:32:09Griffin Newman?

  Wow.

• 2:32:09David Sims?

  He maybe knows us a little bit.

• 2:32:11Griffin Newman?

  Okay.

• 2:32:12David Sims?

  Writing a prequel to the movie My Girl about the bees. This is what I'm saying, you've always done it this well.

• 2:32:18Griffin Newman?

  But yes, he does want the first-

• 2:32:20Speaker 02

  You do, you love a prequel.

• 2:32:21Speaker 03

  I guess I wanna-

• 2:32:23David Sims?

  You love an origin story.

• 2:32:24Speaker 03

  I want to know where it started.

• 2:32:25Griffin Newman?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:26David Sims?

  With, I don't know, in a beehive.

• 2:32:27Griffin Newman?

  And where, and where did this podcast start? What is the prequel to Blank Check? Why, of course, it's the Phantom Menace.

• 2:32:33David Sims?

  That's so true.

• 2:32:34Griffin Newman?

  It all comes back to prequel.

• 2:32:35David Sims?

  And that was the beehive of our, uh, 10-year-long allergic attack that has been this movie.

• 2:32:41Griffin Newman?

  I'm gonna go get these pizzas.

• 2:32:43David Sims?

  He's so hungry.

• 2:32:44Griffin Newman?

  Thank you all for listening. Please remember to rate, review and subscribe. Next week is-

• 2:32:48David Sims?

  Who's that knocking at my door? And Boxcar Bertha, a special guest-free, uh, Scorsese intro.

• 2:32:55Griffin Newman?

  Marty Doubleheader.

• 2:32:56Speaker 03

  And over on Patreon, we just recently kicked off our Resident Evil commentary series.

• 2:33:02Griffin Newman?

  So what are we up to right now? We just did the first one?

• 2:33:05Speaker 03

  Just did the first one.

• 2:33:06Griffin Newman?

  Broken Containment.

• 2:33:07Speaker 03

  We'll also be doing a bunch of fun, bonus Scorsese one-off episodes, covering all different kinds of stuff from his career.

• 2:33:16Speaker 02

  Shorts, docs, cookbooks, do you name it?

• 2:33:18Griffin Newman?

  All sorts of things happening over there. Okay.

• 2:33:20Speaker 03

  You can sign up at patreon.com/ BlankCheck.

• 2:33:22Griffin Newman?

  Uh, thank you all. And as always, just a big congrats to Forky and a mazel tov on being made an honest man.

• 2:33:31David Sims?

  Wow.