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How Much Should You Put Down on Your First Rental?

BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast

Hosted by Dave Meyer and Henry Washington

28m
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Summary

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Dave Meyer and Henry Washington answer real estate questions from the BiggerPockets community, covering out-of-state investing, house hacking, tax strategies, and exiting bad markets. They discuss whether a beginner with one hundred thousand dollars should buy multiple low-cost Midwest multifamilies or a single better-condition property with a twenty-five percent down payment. The hosts also debate whether to invest forty-five thousand dollars to renovate a distressed rental in Kansas City or accept a cash offer at break-even, and they evaluate the rules around ten-thirty-one exchanges and capital gains taxes.

  • For your first real estate deal, prioritize minimizing risk and learning over maximizing your return on investment. 6:17
  • Underwrite rental properties based on current market rents and conditions rather than speculating on future rent increases. 14:33
  • Do not make a bad business decision solely to achieve a favorable tax outcome. 21:34
  • Getting out of a distressed out-of-state property at break-even can be a massive win that saves you time and stress. 30:25

Chapters

  1. 0:00
    Podcast Introduction and Host Greeting

    The hosts introduce themselves and set the stage for a forum Q&A episode.

  2. 0:37
    First Forum Question: Down Payment Strategy for Midwest Multifamily

    The hosts discuss whether to buy multiple low‑down‑payment units or fewer units with a 20% down payment.

  3. 10:17
    Second Forum Question: House‑Hacking with an FHA Loan in Florida

    The hosts evaluate a Florida duplex house‑hack, weighing rent, mortgage, and future rent increases.

  4. 14:51
    Third Forum Question: 1031 Exchange After a Flip

    The hosts explain why a 1031 exchange is generally not possible on a flip and outline alternatives.

  5. 32:33
    Closing Remarks and Community Call‑to‑Action

    The hosts wrap up, encourage listeners to post questions on the forum, and sign off.

Highlights

  • 1:27

    Out-of-State Down Payment Realitystrategy

    The hosts advise an out-of-state investor with one hundred thousand dollars to put twenty-five percent down on a single, better-quality property rather than stretching across multiple cheap units.

  • 10:48

    House Hacking Cash Flow Mathdata

    A listener shares numbers for a St. Petersburg duplex where rent is twenty-four hundred dollars and monthly payments are twenty-two hundred dollars, which the hosts agree is a solid house hack.

  • 15:13

    Ten-Thirty-One Rules for Flipsinsight

    The hosts explain that you cannot use a ten-thirty-one exchange on a flipped property because flips are classified as dealer property rather than held for long-term investment.

  • 17:57

    Avoiding Bad Ten-Thirty-One Dealsinsight

    The host warns that investors often panic and buy bad deals just to complete a ten-thirty-one exchange, which leads to losing more money than simply paying capital gains taxes.

  • 21:38

    Embracing Capital Gains Taxesdebate

    The hosts argue that paying capital gains taxes means you made a profit, which is a good outcome as long as you do not make poor business decisions to avoid taxes.

  • 28:34

    Exiting a Distressed Rentalstrategy

    A forum user asks whether to invest forty-five thousand dollars into a distressed Kansas City rental or take a break-even cash offer, prompting the hosts to strongly recommend taking the cash.

Quotes

  • “You gotta put 25% down, just so you know, if you're getting an investor loan out of state, maybe if you're getting a DSCR loan, you might be able to put down less.”
    Dave Meyer · 2:16
  • “The only way to flip and get that kind of tax advantage is to do a live‑in flip, which is even better than a 1031 because you get the tax‑free gains, but you don't even need to immediately put it into a property and go through the whole rig and roll of a 1031.”
    Dave Meyer · 15:38
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About this episode

You’ve saved up some money and are ready to buy your first rental property. Now comes the question: How much do you put down? Do you buy multiple cheaper properties or splurge and put the entire down payment into one bigger, arguably more stable rental? Should you start to scale from the jump or test the real estate investing waters before committing more money? After buying dozens of rental units, Dave and Henry have a clear opinion. We’re back with your questions from the BiggerPockets Forums! A real estate rookie is wondering whether they should spend $100K on one down payment or split it up into multiple, cheaper rental properties. Another is planning on putting very little money down on his first house hack, but do the numbers add up in this not-so-stable housing market? If you’re ready for your first deal, both of these answers could give you peace of mind. You’re about to sell a house flip for some serious profit—can you move that money (tax-free) into rental properties via a 1031 exchange? And if so, is the 1031 exchange worth the headache that comes with the timeline? Finally, a landlord is fed up with their rental and wants to sell. She has two choices: sell for cash and break even, or fix it up and potentially realize a five-figure profit. Would Henry, the renovation expert, make that bet? Ask Your Question on the BiggerPockets Forums! In This Episode We Cover How much you should put down on each rental property you buy What a solid first house hack actually looks like (mortgage, rent, etc.) Why we don’t factor in rent growth (most of the time) when analyzing rental properties Can you use a 1031 exchange to turn a house flip into a rental portfolio? When to cut your losses on a bad rental vs. fix it up and try to turn a profit And So Much More! Check out more resources from this show on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BiggerPockets.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠h⁠⁠t⁠t⁠ps://www⁠.biggerpockets.com/blog/real-estate-1322. Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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