Part Two: Romana Didulo: Queen of Canada

We continue with the life and journeys of Romana Didulo, the Queen of Canada who defeated the Chinese Military underground and executed 2.7 million people. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:05Speaker 00

  Welcome back.

• 0:06Robert Evans?

  Oh.

• 0:09Speaker 00

  Sorry, I was doing Robert.

• 0:10Robert Evans?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 0:11Speaker 00

  I was doing Robert. It was fun.

• 0:13Robert Evans?

  Yeah, well, I did it first. I'm always the first to be Robert. If you don't count that guy who produced The Godfather.

• 0:19Speaker 00

  I don't.

• 0:20Robert Evans?

  But other than him, no other Roberts anywhere.

• 0:23Speaker 00

  Ever.

• 0:23Robert Evans?

  Yeah. A lot of people are saying this. A lot of people are saying this.

• 0:27Speaker 00

  You're the only Robert.

• 0:28Robert Evans?

  I'm saying this.

• 0:29Speaker 00

  You're the only Robert. You're the only Robert.

• 0:32Robert Evans?

  That's right.

• 0:33Speaker 02

  Only Robert.

• 0:33Robert Evans?

  That's right. You would have met one if there was another. And if you have met one, you're a liar. Anyway, welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast about bastards. And this week about the Queen of Canada, Romana Digilow. Prop, Jason Petty, our guest. How you doing?

• 0:53Speaker 02

  I'm here, man. I can't wait to talk about a tita here that's where she's the, um...

• 0:58Robert Evans?

  Queen of Canada, Commander in Chief.

• 0:59Speaker 02

  The Queen of Canada.

• 1:00Robert Evans?

  Commander in Chief, Queen of Canada.

• 1:02Speaker 02

  The Canada First Party of Canada.

• 1:04Robert Evans?

  That's right.

• 1:05Speaker 02

  For Canadians.

• 1:05Robert Evans?

  If someone, if someone came up to me and said, "I'm the Commander in Chief, and you have to do what I say," I'd say, "I'm simply not in the military, motherfucker."

• 1:13Speaker 02

  I would probably have the same response. Her roommate would be like, "Oh, word. All right, well, your highness."

• 1:18Robert Evans?

  Yeah, probably realistically like, "Oh, your majesty. Excellent. Great." I'm gonna get out of here.

• 1:22Speaker 00

  Fantastic.

• 1:23Speaker 02

  All right, your majesty, do you want some coffee? Because I was gonna make some coffee.

• 1:26Speaker 00

  You're like, "Oh, shit, you got that royal money. Guess that means we can upgrade to, you know..."

• 1:31Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:32Speaker 00

  You know.

• 1:32Robert Evans?

  Can we get HBO now?

• 1:34Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying?

• 1:35Speaker 00

  Guess we're getting that dope TV package, like, what's up?

• 1:39Speaker 02

  You feel me? When is we leaving this dingy ass apartment?

• 1:41Robert Evans?

  Oh, no, of course, we can't afford ESPN. Even, even a royal salary can't pay for ESPN. The Queen had to fucking pirate that shit.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:50Speaker 00

  Jesus Christ.

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• 3:32Robert Evans?

  Anyway, let's talk about this great grift. Well, not that great grift. This kind of like, shockingly mediocre and lazy grift that works way better than it ought to. Now, in any con, like Romana was pulling, there's usually the initial grift, right? There's the play someone is intentionally making when they start down the road of declaring themselves the Queen of Canada, or whatever, right? Yeah. There's like, this is my immediate plan for how I am going to make money, or make, you know, myself famous, or whatever, improve my situation. By lying about this thing, right? And then that initial grift, either they achieve it, you know, in some cases, they they meet their initial goals and then they have to figure out, well, what am I gonna do next?

• 4:14Robert Evans?

  In some cases, the initial goals prove impossible, but they get, anyway, there's what, there's the initial grift and then there's what the grift grows into over time as the leader and the followers become less and less moored to reality, right? That's also the factor is that I think cult leaders in general, especially the ones who say, I'm an alien, I'm the reincarnation of Jesus, you know, I'm the secret king or the secret queen, when it's that sort of thing where I am this kind of person or being that I couldn't possibly be. Everyone believe that. In those cases especially, the cult leaders generally start more sane than they end up. And it's kind of like getting crazy rich, right? If you get billions of dollars, suddenly you go from, I have to interact with the world

• 4:56Robert Evans?

  and my experience in the world is a mix of what I want to do and what other people want and how society is set up. And so there's times where I have to compromise, there's times where I have to do stuff I don't like, like go to the DMV or stand in line at the TSA, because that's just life in society, right? And then when you're a billionaire, all that shit goes away. You get to opt out of everything everyone else does. Life is just a series of what you want in any given moment and nobody can ever like challenge you or question you. And so you grow increasingly unmoored from reality and crazy as we're all watching happen in public to all of the billionaires who run our society, right?

• 5:30Speaker 02

  People stop telling you no.

• 5:32Robert Evans?

  Exactly. And the same shit happens, probably in a more accelerated and even more aggressive way, when all of the people around you are playing into this delusion that you're Jesus or a queen or a king or something, right? Like where you are pretending to be some sort of supernatural infallible being and 100% of the people you talk to on a day to day basis are all buying into it. That damages your brain more. I'm not trying to make you, oh, the poor cult leader, but it's like objectively, they lose their sanity the longer they do this, because it's bad for you.

• 6:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, there's, yeah, like, like, I, I, I think, I think you, you use the right word of like, this is, it's, it's. Objectively breaking your brain.

• 6:14Robert Evans?

  Yes, yes.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're just, you are losing a complete grip. And yeah, you can't not know when you put your little single out for your new, your new, uh, you know, uh, techno DJing career, you know what I'm saying? That like you, this song is objectively trash, but like.

• 6:32Robert Evans?

  Yeah, like if I were to start a cult where I convinced people that I was some sort of divine figure, I would also get like a part-time job at a Barnes and Noble or something. Just that I had something outside of the cult business that I would like go to and like be around and that way you can stay, you can keep yourself one step ahead of the feds. Right? You're not going to lose your mind too much, you know? Every cult leader, go out and get a part-time job doing something normal, you know? If you really want your cult to go the distance. Anyway, just some free advice for the cult leaders out there.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  I feel it, you know what I'm saying? The backup plan, it has to be solid enough to where you can maintain pieces of the grift.

• 7:12Robert Evans?

  Right.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  You know, and somebody might follow you there, but like.

• 7:17Robert Evans?

  You have to keep knowing what reality is enough to avoid the pitfalls of reality.

• 7:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, but you're not, yeah, you're not ended up, you're not ending up in the, you know, the John McAfee situation, you feel me like.

• 7:28Robert Evans?

  Exactly. McAfee is a great example, right? Like he went too far, he bought into too much of his bullshit and the world was not willing to, to, uh, float his delusions any longer.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  All right, cause you can't go with you there.

• 7:39Robert Evans?

  Whereas you compare him to the goat, right? To L Ron Hubbard.

• 7:42Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 7:42Robert Evans?

  Where as crazy as he got and as many nuts things as he convinced people to believe, LRH always knew, time to get in the boat, time to leave.

• 7:49Speaker 02

  Time to go to the boat.

• 7:49Robert Evans?

  I gotta get out of this country, fucking law's coming for me, time to bounce, I'm out.

• 7:53Speaker 02

  Listen, I may, I tried to make my movie, it didn't work. Let's just go to the boats.

• 7:58Robert Evans?

  Time for the boats, hit the boats.

• 8:00Speaker 00

  You calling out LRH, the goat will never not be funny.

• 8:03Robert Evans?

  He's the, he was the best, no one has ever been a better cult leader than L Ron Hubbard.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  It's kinda, it's really true.

• 8:08Robert Evans?

  He, he was the king of it. He was so good at being a cult leader, you know?

• 8:12Speaker 02

  The fact that like, it still exists, like that's the crazy part about what he's like.

• 8:17Robert Evans?

  I was in LA last, or like two, three days ago and I ran past the Scientology building.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  It's still here.

• 8:23Robert Evans?

  It's huge.

• 8:24Speaker 02

  It has outlived his legacy, like that.

• 8:27Robert Evans?

  Next to L Ron Hubbard Boulevard.

• 8:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, at that point you, you have to like, no, you're the goat. Like we all, every documentary, every expose, we all know. But it's still sitting right here. I'm like, you win. You win, bro.

• 8:41Robert Evans?

  Yeah, he did it. He did it.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:43Robert Evans?

  So, uh, Sarteshi, Christine Sarteshi's write-up gives us the best insight into what the original con that Didulo was going for might have been. Quote, "An investigation by Logically revealed that Whiplash 347 was one of the two main Telegram hub channel leaders involved in recruiting individuals to invest in fraudulent cryptocurrency tokens described by experts as a large and well-organized Ponzi scheme. Whiplash is the guy who like first backed Romana from the QAnon world.

• 9:09Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 9:09Robert Evans?

  Uh, this Ponzi scheme netted the scammers approximately $2 million. The nature of Didulo's affiliation and a relationship with Whiplash 347 remains unclear. So again, we don't know why this guy got in bed with her, but he was, he's like a crypto Ponzi scammer. And my guess is that was the original plan or something like that.

• 9:27Speaker 02

  For him.

• 9:28Robert Evans?

  Some sort of Ponzi scam. Well, and he, she was involved too, where he was like, look, if you can get some juice behind you, we can sell your followers on some bullshit and split the money. That would be my guess. I don't know. My guess is something like that was because of, because of who this Whiplash person is, that he's a Ponzi scam guy. And because there's no other reason for her to have suddenly started supporting Didulo's claims other than he thought maybe she had the juice to get a following and he could wrench a bunch of money out of her followers. That's, that's the only thing I can think of, right? I don't know, but that would make sense to me.

• 10:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, I can see her not having any idea what crypto is either, but anyway.

• 10:06Robert Evans?

  Right. Exactly. And just listening to whatever this guy says.

• 10:09Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 10:10Robert Evans?

  As the summer of 2021 began, Romana Didulo added the title Sovereign to her name. So her full honorific was Sovereign Head of State and Commander in Chief of the Sovereign Republic of Canada.

• 10:21Speaker 02

  Love it.

• 10:21Robert Evans?

  Again, you don't need Sovereign twice.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  Love it.

• 10:24Robert Evans?

  A head of state implies sovereign.

• 10:26Speaker 02

  Sovereign commander of chief.

• 10:27Robert Evans?

  I would say head of state and commander chief of the Sovereign Republic of Canada, sure. But it's weird to do it the other way.

• 10:33Speaker 02

  Of Canada, you know what I'm saying?

• 10:34Robert Evans?

  And, and there are, as you might guess, there's some sovereign citizen stuff mixed into this too. She's also part of that community. Some of her language, especially around like debt cancellation is very sov-sit. She refers to Canada, the government of Canada, the illegitimate one is like an illegitimate corporate. That's ruling Canada, very sovereign citizen adjacent stuff.

• 10:52Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 10:53Robert Evans?

  Um, which is gets an American sovereign citizens should be very wrapped up in America and American law. But they're all over the world because all you need to do is just make a bunch of fake court papers for whatever country you're in and convince people. You know, anyway.

• 11:07Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 11:07Robert Evans?

  Um, so she announces as soon as, you know, this is in her first year as being the queen. She starts announcing a bunch of new policies like any new world leader does, right? You start putting out, here's the big policies I'm going to do. These all sounded crazier in 2021 and 2022. They now just sound like actual policies of the US government because she withdrew Canada from the United Nations, withdrew Canada from the WHO and canceled all foreign aid. Uh, she advised her followers. So first off, we're just doing Trump stuff here, right? Like maybe, I mean, Trump's doing the Dulo stuff, right?

• 11:39Speaker 00

  That's a Tuesday.

• 11:44Speaker 02

  Bar for bar fam.

• 11:46Robert Evans?

  Right, right. She advised her followers to prepare for a complete and total worldwide shift in financial systems. The world now lived under the quantum financial system, which in brief meant that everyone who believed in the quantum financial system got a bunch of free money. And if you were poor and riddled with debt under the old, we'd say real financial system, under the quantum financial system, you're suddenly rich, right?

• 12:11Speaker 02

  Man, it's so great.

• 12:13Robert Evans?

  Me and the other white hats are replacing the global economy with the quantum financial system. And now all the poor people have money, right? That's the idea.

• 12:21Speaker 02

  I love it. I am, as the father of two daughters.

• 12:24Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 12:24Speaker 02

  Uh, the amount of times I've had to sit down and eat, uh, and get paid money and eat, you know, imaginary meals and you just have to go along with it. Mmm, this tastes so good. And it's just a shredded piece of paper.

• 12:37Robert Evans?

  I had so much imaginary tea. Yeah.

• 12:40Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh, this is definitely given that. So, uh, my first thing is I am outlawing chores. Okay, baby. Okay.

• 12:47Robert Evans?

  Sure.

• 12:48Speaker 02

  No more chores. No more chores and all, all grownups have to eat vegetables for everyone. Okay, baby. That's your new laws. Anyway, go on.

• 12:58Robert Evans?

  Sure. Yeah, absolutely.

• 12:59Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 13:00Robert Evans?

  And that's, you know, I, we can talk about how the laws should be. I do think that all grownups should have to eat the vegetables.

• 13:07Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 13:07Robert Evans?

  I agree with that.

• 13:08Speaker 02

  But not the vegetables off her plate. Those your vegetables, anyway.

• 13:13Robert Evans?

  We're not going to agree on this because I'm a bedtime abolitionist prop. Oh, my goodness. Very anti bedtime.

• 13:18Speaker 02

  That's a dude that ain't got kids. Let me tell you something.

• 13:21Robert Evans?

  You're damn right. Now, by the way, it's incredibly pro bedtime.

• 13:25Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 13:27Robert Evans?

  So this nonsense she's peddling about the quantum financial system has its origins in another series of episodes we've done. A couple of years ago, I did a two parter on Nesera and Gesserah. Oh, my God. Yes. G E S A R A, which is an old conspiracy theory.

• 13:42Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 13:43Robert Evans?

  Right? And it's an economic one. And Nesera and Gesserah started out as a real series of economic reform propositions in the 1990s. This was a, the origin of this is there were some actual attempts to reform the, our economic system that people misinterpret and it becomes by the late 90s, early 2000s, this conspiratorial belief that all, there's going to be a debt jubilee. So all debt will be canceled and an economic reset, right? Which is a super, first off, in order to just kind of, because we talk a lot about how silly conspiratorial beliefs are, and they are, I want to peel back a little bit because wanting to believe very badly in a debt jubilee, it's not only is like, I understand why people would want that, but that goes back really far.

• 14:27Speaker 02

  I was gonna say, it's pretty ancient.

• 14:28Robert Evans?

  The roots of Judaism in, like, in a lot of ways. There's a lot.

• 14:32Speaker 02

  That's some Deuteronomy shit.

• 14:33Robert Evans?

  Not that that's the roots, but in the roots of Judaism, there's a lot of talk about debt jubilees, right?

• 14:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:37Robert Evans?

  It's all over the Bible. This, this used to be a thing. And part of it was if you've got a new king, this wasn't just a thing that happened in the Judeo and Christian world, right? If you got a new king, and the new king, as often happens, maybe came to power through a little bit of conflict with whoever was in charge before, or

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:55Robert Evans?

  the new king really needs to establish and get like the support of the people, all your debts are clear. No one owes anything anymore, right?

• 15:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:02Robert Evans?

  This used to, it wasn't universal, but it happened a lot because it's a smart way to get people on your side.

• 15:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, everybody's do over, start over. Yeah, it's so normal.

• 15:10Robert Evans?

  Everyone's credit card debt. If a guy became the president was like, all your debts are canceled, how would you feel about that president?

• 15:16Speaker 02

  I'd vote for his third term.

• 15:17Robert Evans?

  Probably better than you do about the current president.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  I'd vote for his third term. It's also like the preposterousness of saying that America is 4.9 trillion dollars in debt. You're just like, okay, just hit zero.

• 15:31Robert Evans?

  Come on.

• 15:32Speaker 02

  Just hit zero, dude. Like, it's not, what are we, what are we talking about?

• 15:36Robert Evans?

  Who's gonna call that? I mean, Europe theoretically could call some of that, like, right? Like, that's part of the problem with us fucking around with our allies is, but also, realistically, who's gonna do that? Who's gonna do that and just nuke the global economy right now? Maybe in the future, when people have uncoupled themselves from the dollar, but it's not good for anybody. Anyway, whatever. I find this all interesting, just because this is, there's a really old desire to believe in stuff like this. And it's a huge part of, there's all sorts of different expressions of this, adjacent to and underneath the MAGA movement. There was a lot of talk within QAnon people about an economic reset. There was even this side belief that, like, for whatever reason, people should be collecting Iraqi dinars because Trump was about to, like, revalue the dinar and it would suddenly be worth a bunch of money.

• 16:20Robert Evans?

  For, again, weird conspiratorial reasons, but like, a bunch of white people in the Midwest were buying, like, old Iraqi currency. In their belief that it would make them rich one day.

• 16:29Speaker 02

  Hell, yeah.

• 16:30Robert Evans?

  Man, people in Iraq don't even want to take dinars. I've had to spend money there, and I usually spent dollars and euros. You know? Nobody wants the fucking dinar if they can avoid it. And a big chunk of, like, what gets taken out of Nasser and Jeser, this older conspiracy theory into the modern era, is this idea of a debt cancellation. It's prominent among MAGA people, prominent among, you know, the Q movement, and that's what she's tapping into. And it's a tantalizing proposition for desperate people living on the margins who are always the people most likely to find themselves drawn towards cults, right? Romana Didulo's teachings found their audience. Followers had reasons to convince themselves she was legit, including the fact, and this is my favorite, is, once people decide they believe in her, they have to work backwards

• 17:14Robert Evans?

  to try to find evidence that, like, you know, there's all sorts of clues that she's legitimate. And one of the chief ones is that her name, Romana Didulo, is an anagram for I am R. Donald.

• 17:28Robert Evans?

  Like, I am the Canadian Donald? That's seriously enough proof for some people?

• 17:35Robert Evans?

  Good stuff, good stuff.

• 17:37Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 17:38Robert Evans?

  It must be so whimsical to believe in the world the way you do.

• 17:42Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 17:42Robert Evans?

  Oh, man.

• 17:44Speaker 02

  These people are at the red light next to you. Like, these are-

• 17:47Robert Evans?

  Yes, yes. And these people are at the- Well, not in Canada, but in the US, they're allowed to buy all the same guns you are, which is not great.

• 17:56Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 17:57Speaker 00

  They can all, their votes count as much as yours.

• 18:01Robert Evans?

  Yeah, that part doesn't matter, because voting isn't real, Sophie. The mushroom aliens inside Mount Shasta control all of our elections. But, you know, let's continue with the story.

• 18:11Speaker 00

  I am our Donald. I am our Donald.

• 18:15Robert Evans?

  I've been saying that for years, Sophie. You are our Donald, thank you.

• 18:18Speaker 02

  Well, I'm gonna find an anagram for Sophie's name before this is over.

• 18:22Robert Evans?

  Donald Sutherland, I assumed we were talking about. I've always considered you the Donald Sutherland of Cool Zone Media.

• 18:27Speaker 00

  At first, I, like, misheard, and I thought you said Donald Sterling, and I got real scared. I was like, whoa.

• 18:33Robert Evans?

  I don't know who that is.

• 18:33Speaker 02

  Good, keep it that way, sir.

• 18:35Robert Evans?

  But I know who Donald Sutherland is, because I just watched him in a not very good movie.

• 18:39Speaker 00

  Donald Sterling would be a great Bastards episode, actually.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  He'd be a great Bastards episode. I feel like you should lead that one, Sophie.

• 18:46Robert Evans?

  Put him on the list. Put him on the list.

• 18:48Speaker 00

  The list that never dies.

• 18:51Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:52Robert Evans?

  So, to get back to Romana, once you start to feel, as a cult leader, like you might as a fledgling cult leader, right? Because she's spent months now building her telegram, she's got tens of thousands of people, she's getting traction, people are talking about her, right? Within the Q movement. But she doesn't, she hasn't met any of them in person. She's not like, I think she's taking some donations now, but she hasn't made a bunch of money off of this. I think this is the point at which you have to kind of make a plunge. Am I just someone who's created a weird little internet community? Or do I really have a cult here? Right? And so if you want to answer that question, the next thing you gotta do is stretch your muscles. So in June of 2021, she starts ordering her followers to hand out- And by stretch your muscles, I mean try to get your followers to do things in the real world.

• 19:37Robert Evans?

  Before you take the plunge into like, follow me, we're all gonna live together and you need to give me all your money, you gotta see, can I get him to do anything other than like, hang out on my telegram, right?

• 19:47Speaker 02

  No, it's real.

• 19:48Robert Evans?

  Yeah, yeah, it's smart, it's smart. She's got a basic again.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  Look, man, maybe you, maybe your song had a cool little TikTok audio.

• 19:55Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  But like, you can't, you can't sell a concert ticket. You don't have a career.

• 20:00Robert Evans?

  So, yeah. Yeah, you gotta test that shit out first.

• 20:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally.

• 20:03Robert Evans?

  This is part, I, I sometimes feel as I study these, cause I never know, you never get, none of these, very few of these cult leaders ever admit to like, and I spent years reading about other cult leaders and how they did things that I would know what to do when I, you know, my time came. They never say that. I assume some of them do. A part of me, I have this belief that there's, it's almost like, there's like a subset of homo sapiens that's like, like the cult leader. And some people are just born with a set of like instincts.

• 20:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:35Robert Evans?

  That makes them like, like, cause a lot of her behavior feels instinctual, like you're feeling out how to, how to make and keep a cult going, how to grow it. I don't know, maybe it's like being the Jedi, maybe it's like you've got enough midi-chlorians and you can, you can build a cult, right? And, and I've always said that L Ron Hubbard was the, the, the Anakin Skywalker of American cults.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  I mean, he really is.

• 20:57Robert Evans?

  But anyway, he really is, including the fact that he got, Ewan McGregor burnt his arms and limbs off. A lot of people don't know that about L Ron Hubbard, you know?

• 21:04Speaker 02

  He got Ewan McGregor to burn his arms off.

• 21:07Robert Evans?

  Yeah, burn his limbs off, yeah. On a volcano planet where he kept his mansion, yeah.

• 21:11Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 21:12Robert Evans?

  Yeah, I sometimes mix up Darth Vader's lore and L Ron Hubbard's lore, but I think I've got it right this time.

• 21:17Speaker 02

  Nailed it.

• 21:18Robert Evans?

  So, when you start to think, you know, all right, it's time to get out into the real world, see if I can get my followers to do anything, right? So in June of 2021, she starts ordering her followers to hand out cease and desist notices to local businesses with mask mandates, right? Cause she's really angry about the COVID mandates, she's angry about the lockdown. So she has her followers putting these up on businesses that require masks and basically anywhere that they'll get attention. And Sophie will put up on, for the video version, you can see, here's a copy of one of these cease and desists. I'm gonna read it to you. Notice to cease and desist, effective today, and there's a blank for the date. I am the witness of the law, serving you a lawful document. Cease and desist order to stop immediately all unlawful COVID measures. This is very sovereign citizen language. I am a witness of the law, serving you a lawful document.

• 22:02Robert Evans?

  We are now living in a sovereign republic of Canada and are no longer in Canada Incorporated. Corporation, but you get the doubling up on length. Canada Incorporated Corporation, huh? Your business is operating in the sovereign republic of Canada. Our newly appointed head of state, commander in chief, head of government of Canada, Ramona Didulo, by lawful order, requires that we resume our lives back to normal and open our businesses to full capacity. All former COVID-19 measures and restrictions are unlawful, unscientific and unjust, and therefore invalid, null and void. This means no more pandemic lies, no more masks, no more social distancing, no more temperature taking, no more lockdowns, no more quarantine or self-imposed isolation, no more genocidal COVID vaccines, no vaccine passport and ID chip.

• 22:46Robert Evans?

  If you still enforce any of the former COVID measures on any living, breathing man, woman, staff and customers, you are violating the all caps universal human rights and are complicit in crimes against humanity and will be prosecuted by we the people military tribunal under national law and common law by the head of state and commander in chief of Canada. And again, it's this mix of it's all this American sob sit language, the whole, the fact that you're coming back to we the people, that's not a Canada thing.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  Not a Canada phrase, bro.

• 23:12Robert Evans?

  That's like a we the American people thing.

• 23:15Speaker 02

  Some of the, some of the stuff too.

• 23:16Robert Evans?

  She's very international.

• 23:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. Some of the stuff also sounds like very much like a English second language type like, like, you know, and I, and I don't know, you know what I'm saying?

• 23:27Robert Evans?

  Canada Inc. Corporation.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  The Canada Inc. Corporation.

• 23:30Robert Evans?

  Canada first party of Canada, yes.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was like, kind of sounds, it didn't hit me until I read it and I was like, oh, yeah.

• 23:37Speaker 00

  It's giving that, that movie that Garrison made us watch, Eddington.

• 23:44Robert Evans?

  I didn't watch it.

• 23:45Speaker 00

  Garrison made me watch that movie.

• 23:46Robert Evans?

  Garrison can't make me do anything. I'll watch it one of these days. I haven't gotten to it.

• 23:51Speaker 02

  I was like, oh, oh.

• 23:53Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 23:57Speaker 00

  But yeah, it's crazy.

• 24:00Robert Evans?

  Yeah. So her followers start handing these out, right? And I know what you're wondering, reading all this. Okay, if someone still continues to enforce mask mandates or whatever, after getting the cease and desist, what are the penalties? Because they say that you'll be prosecuted by we, the people and the queen. So how? To talk about that, here's a quote from one of Mack Lamerow's Vice articles summarizing Romana's rhetoric and the dynamics of her community during this period. "Let's keep this simple," Didulo wrote recently. "Death is the penalty for crimes against humanity. This was met with much jubilation from hundreds of followers." "Yes," wrote one. "I'm so happy we have you," wrote another. "She is the only one that is saying anything hopeful or anything that makes sense. It felt completely hopeless before Romana came along," wrote a third.

• 24:45Robert Evans?

  "As much as I hate to see people being put to death, it has become necessary because the jerks just won't stop what they're doing," wrote yet another.

• 24:52Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 24:54Robert Evans?

  Yes. You get a lot there in terms of what's appealing. Well, this person saying she's the only one saying anything hopeful or anything that makes sense. Because she's saying your debts are all about to go away. All of the bad stuff that you think is genocide, the COVID stuff, that's all going away. It's all been wiped aside. It's hopeful, you know?

• 25:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:13Robert Evans?

  That's so much of it is just, you promise people something more. Instead of it, you just reading the real news, which is often depressing and really complicated. And it's very hard to figure out, how can I help? How can I do anything to fix things? Instead, the queen's just saying, "All the bad people are being put to death for wearing masks and your debts are about to go away. Just continue to listen to me and share my stuff online and send me money and the world will be fixed."

• 25:39Speaker 00

  And how are we killing these people? What's her, what's her weapon of like, what is she, what is she saying?

• 25:44Robert Evans?

  Unclear, but they're being put to death in secret. Yeah.

• 25:48Speaker 02

  Maybe it's psychic.

• 25:50Robert Evans?

  Maybe it's psychic.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  Do it with her psychic powers.

• 25:53Robert Evans?

  That's how I do it. I'm psychically killing people all the time, you know?

• 25:56Speaker 02

  All the time.

• 25:57Speaker 00

  Dude, so.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  Lyrically.

• 25:58Speaker 00

  Oh, my God.

• 25:59Robert Evans?

  Exactly.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  I think.

• 26:00Robert Evans?

  Lyrically murdering people.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  The Homo sapiens joint, like, in as far as like that, that gene to be a cult leader, like, I feel like even in listening to this, I think about this all the time, especially with like the whole politics stuff is like. It breaks people's psyche that there are some things that are just out of your control. That there is nothing you can do.

• 26:23Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  There's not, and I feel like COVID like really brought that out to where it was just like, it's a virus.

• 26:29Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 26:30Speaker 02

  It just exists.

• 26:30Robert Evans?

  It happens.

• 26:31Speaker 02

  Like, I don't wish, like, the earth has viruses.

• 26:34Robert Evans?

  And I, I get, you know, having spent a little bit of time in war zones, I get how, how people can wind up believing, like, oh, I was, like, say, something nearly killed, killed me and it didn't, and I saw other people died, I must have been saved.

• 26:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 26:49Robert Evans?

  Cause like, I've had the experience of something like, you know, I was sitting at a fucking checkpoint and the guys that I'd been smoking with drove off ahead of us and got blown up by a vehicle-based IED.

• 26:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:57Robert Evans?

  And I guess I could be like, I was protected, but like, then why did God want those French people to die?

• 27:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. Why God didn't protect them?

• 27:03Robert Evans?

  Maybe it's just a crapshoot and I got really lucky, you know?

• 27:05Speaker 02

  Y'all work on your theology, my G, yeah.

• 27:07Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 27:07Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying?

• 27:08Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 27:08Speaker 02

  But yeah, some stuff is-

• 27:09Robert Evans?

  I don't, I don't think he picked me.

• 27:10Speaker 02

  No, like, some stuff just be what it is.

• 27:14Robert Evans?

  Shit just happens.

• 27:15Speaker 02

  And I feel like-

• 27:16Robert Evans?

  Fucked up, you know?

• 27:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, some shit is just, and it's just, and, but, but the need to tie up the loose ends and have a reason for and find out the source of and just like, part of it is just like this, like even just them saying, man, the lockdown sucks. I'm like, yeah, nigga, I know, me too. Fuck you want me to do, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's just what it is. This, nobody wanted COVID, it just happened, you know? So, anyway, uh, I just think that like, them looking for this answer, she the only one making sense, ma'am.

• 27:50Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  She don't make sense at all.

• 27:51Robert Evans?

  She's not making any sense at all.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  She's not making any sense.

• 27:54Robert Evans?

  You just gave up on comprehending the world because you got too scared and angry.

• 27:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 27:59Robert Evans?

  And, yeah, and that, you see that too, where like, I hate seeing people put to death, but the jerks just won't stop. First off, if, if you think a group of people need to be put to death for their crimes against humanity, and you call them jerks, they probably aren't committing crimes against humanity. Yeah. When I talk, when I talk about, like, when we talk about the Nazis-

• 28:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:20Robert Evans?

  No one's ever like, what a bunch of jerks. They really were some jerks. No, they were monsters.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  This is absolute monsters. I don't have to tell you. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

• 28:29Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 28:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 28:30Robert Evans?

  Yeah. Boy, Saddam Hussein was a real jerk when he gassed all those Kurdish civilians, you know?

• 28:35Speaker 02

  Man.

• 28:35Robert Evans?

  Like, it was just not the way we use the term. It's just silly. Like, yeah, that ICE agent was a real jerk for shooting that person in the head. Like, it's just not how you do it, right? When people, you believe people should be executed. That's not how you talk about them, anyway. It's very childish and very, it, it, part of, like, language like that makes me almost wonder, how much do these people really believe it? Or are they just like, it's way more fun to spend my days pretending this is real than accepting the reality around me? I kinda think that is even more of it than, I truly believe all these people have been executed, right?

• 29:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally.

• 29:11Robert Evans?

  Um, I don't know, maybe I'm, I'm, maybe reading too much into it, but you know who's never been executed for crimes against humanity, Prop?

• 29:18Speaker 02

  Which is an issue, man.

• 29:20Robert Evans?

  Yeah, would it, yeah, well, let's just go to ads.

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• 31:38Robert Evans?

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• 32:05Robert Evans?

  And we're back. So, in November of 2021, Ramana posted an order to the King of Canada's military on her Telegram. "Shoot to kill anyone who tries to inject children under the age of 19 years old with coronavirus 19 vaccines, bioweapons, or any other vaccines." This order is effective immediately. So again, she gives a shoot to kill order for the military to kill anyone giving out any kind of vaccine. She follows up by editing "shoot to kill" to "arrest" because people do start, is she trying to get people murdered? Which she is. Yes. So she does alter that slightly, but she's gonna also repeatedly talk about executing people. She writes, "Please use airports, hospitals, schools, stadiums, and other public venues

• 32:49Robert Evans?

  to hold and detain all traitors. They will stay there until military tribunal is held for each one of them, until the day they are executed via firing squad or hanging." Tita. Tita. Yeah. Friend. Kill all the doctors. What military? The Canadian one, the one that she's commander in chief of, obviously. Where? Well, in Canada, you know? Yeah. Telegram. They'll find out. That's where all lawful military orders are always issued through Telegram pages, you know? So in that unique way the internet has, her community developed their own name for the armed men that she wanted detaining and executing doctors and political leaders, which kind of does suggest that she's not in control of the military if you think that like you

• 33:31Robert Evans?

  need to develop gangs of guys to detain and arrest and kill all the doctors. But the community name for these people is Duck Hunters. So whenever she refers to gathering her duck hunters, she's talking about the armed men that she wants to have murder, all of the doctors and politicians who support masks and stuff. Got it. In a Vice article on the subject, Mac Lamro posted a relevant screen grab from her Telegram channel. He spent a lot of time in there, which will be up on the video version now. But you see, one of her followers, and it's worth noting, her Telegram name is "Her Majesty", all caps, "I AM Queen Romana," right? Like, it's, you know, tying back to the whole "I AM" movement thing. I am. She's using a lot of that language. One of her followers, a guy named Ron, says, "All set, I can bunk a few duck hunters in my home.

• 34:16Robert Evans?

  I'm all set to hunting gear ready." And then he posts a picture of several firearms on a counter table. Oh, Lord. Yeah, several different rifles and stuff.

• 34:28Robert Evans?

  So that's an actionable threat. When I was, when I used to teach classes on counterterrorism and stuff like that, when I used to lecture, I would be asked a lot by like, and this is, you know, when I was at Bellicat, I was doing trainings primarily for like journalists and NGO employees.

• 34:44Robert Evans?

  And the one thing I would get asked a lot, especially by journalists, because I'm talking people through all these Telegram channels, how to find and follow different groups and different individual, like far-right figures on Telegram, which is still a pretty significant place for them to organize, but at the time was, was even more of a hub. They would ask a lot, like, how do you know what to report on versus what not to report on? Because it's a see if people talking about wanting to kill people and the guns that they have. And if you just, you can't publish an article being like, and here's another Nazi with a picture of a gun saying he's going to shoot people. I don't know where, I don't know when, because that's not really like a story necessarily. And it also is just kind of rile, because most of the people don't actually do anything.

• 35:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, dilutes it.

• 35:26Robert Evans?

  When I, how, how do you tell if something is serious enough that you do need to start gathering more information, report on it? One thing I would tell people is if you see a sign that someone or a group is starting to experiment with real world activism. So if you've got this group of people that are talking about wanting to shoot their enemies, and they've started putting up flyers and papers around the neighborhood or whatever, or something like that, or they've started showing up, well, then that's a sign maybe this group needs to be paid more attention to, because they're starting to do stuff in the real world.

• 35:55Speaker 02

  Take you serious.

• 35:56Robert Evans?

  Right?

• 35:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:57Robert Evans?

  So when we've got Didulos followers going up to people that they see as targets, that they see as deserving of the death penalty and handing them cease and desists, and also posting pictures of their guns and talking about gathering, that's the point at which I would say you need to take these people seriously, because there's every chance at least one of them is going to snap and do something tragic, right?

• 36:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, for somebody to take that, her little Microsoft Word little document, your cease and desist thing, print it, sign it, and then go do the thing? Yeah, you telling me something.

• 36:30Robert Evans?

  Yeah. That's someone who might be willing to do something more. And that's a sign that a cult leader or that an extremist figure might have the juice to convince someone to do something, right? Because they're, they're starting down that road already. In January of 2022, Romana Didulo declared all debts in the Kingdom of Canada were forgiven. Followers began to halt paying their credit card bills and mortgages, and she specifically encouraged this. She would even sometimes threaten people who like were still paying their bills. Like not, she wasn't like following and people looking into people's finances, but she would say, like, if you are still paying these bills, if you're still paying off your student loans, if you're still paying your utilities, that means you don't have faith in my government.

• 37:11Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, I'd be so frustrated if this was like my partner, like if you're

• 37:15Robert Evans?

  You gotta stop that.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. And you're just like, you have to pay the mortgage. Like, I'm done with your little telegram thing.

• 37:24Robert Evans?

  And this is a huge, this is something that, one of the things that Mac did a lot of, uh, work documenting is, as well as, uh, Sarteshi, is like, the number of people who stopped paying their bills and would start posting like, hey, my, we don't have any power, and school's about to be back in session, and I have a young son, I'm still not paying the power bill, because I know we're not supposed to, but like, when is the power gonna get turned back on? Like, when are you, when is, when are you gonna be in charge again? Because I just feel like I can't, uh, uh, like, like, my son needs to go to school, and he can't go to school without electricity in the house. You get stuff like that. People lost their homes because they stopped paying their mortgages. Like, people got evicted,

• 38:07Robert Evans?

  people, I don't know if anyone died, but when you're talking about people cutting off heating or cooling in certain times of the year in Canada, that could get someone killed, you know?

• 38:16Speaker 02

  No, that, that cold is evil up there. Yeah, you could die. Yeah.

• 38:21Robert Evans?

  So we're now talking about someone who is like seriously endangering people.

• 38:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, this went from funny to like, quick, you know, where I was like, you ain't pay your, okay.

• 38:32Robert Evans?

  Yeah. I want to show you guys a, an image that was from a, like, a study Christine Sarteshi published on Romana Didulo, where she's collected, uh, a bunch of different, like, posts people have made, talking about how they've stopped paying their bills and utilities.

• 38:47Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 38:48Robert Evans?

  Uh, I'm gonna read a couple. You can see, like, a clip of several of them here. I'm gonna read one or two of them. "I stopped paying my power and hydro bills when directed by QR, that's Queen Romana, and last month they shut off my utilities. I've been without power during some of the hottest days I've ever felt. To add to the stress, my oldest cat passed away yesterday, and I suspect it was due to the heat. I don't know what more to do. I can't keep waiting. I need power. I've been charging my phone and using the wifi at the nearby McDonald's in the meantime." QR early this year, you said that Canadians do not need to pay for utilities. Recently, you have stated that it would be considered a war crime to turn off utilities. When do these royal decrees start to take effect? I've had my gas turned off by Sask Energy. I picked up the mail today and received a letter from Sask Energy Legal Department, saying I owe them for gas. They must not have gotten your memo. Account now he gives his account number, right?

• 39:33Robert Evans?

  Like, these are people.

• 39:34Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 39:35Robert Evans?

  They're still becking here like, you can fix this. Here's my account number. Can you make this right for them? Right? Hello, dearest HRM QR, Her Royal Majesty, Queen Romana. Local transport services would not accept your decree 91 pertaining to free public transport services. They detained me and called the local police services. I explained and handed over the decree and asked them what criminal offense I was committing before handing over my personal ID. The officers would not identify themselves either. They did not hesitate to wrestle me to the ground after a very short time, five minutes for no reason, handcuffed me and put me in their vehicles that they could write an appearance notice. They told me to go to the police station and give my fingerprints three days before going to court. A warrant would be put out otherwise. Question, no decree covers this situation, my knowledge. What new decree or amended decree can be applied with the cease and desist that we use?

• 40:19Robert Evans?

  Best regards, love and light to you and your team.

• 40:22Speaker 02

  I bounce between, yeah, I bounce between like.

• 40:25Robert Evans?

  You're not caught up yet? You don't realize?

• 40:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. I bounce between like dumbass and like, oh, honey.

• 40:32Robert Evans?

  Well.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  Like, honey.

• 40:36Robert Evans?

  This is important because I both, it's important to have compassion and understanding for victims. I do try to reiterate, I think everyone has a point in their life and a cult that they could have fallen victim to.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  Facts.

• 40:48Robert Evans?

  Right? Anyone could wind up in a cult. That doesn't mean anyone at any point in their life could become a cult. I think there's things that can immunize you to it.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:57Robert Evans?

  We're not born immunized to it.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:59Robert Evans?

  I think I can think of points in my life, particularly when I was like 19 or 20 and broke and overwhelmed with the realities of being an adult. And like, I had no idea what I was gonna do for a living. I hated all the jobs I'd tried. I was like miserable. I potentially could have fallen in for something, right? At that point in my life. I don't think everyone could fall for every cult. And I'm just gonna go ahead and say, the people falling for this cult are not the sharpest

• 41:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:26Robert Evans?

  Tools in the box, you know?

• 41:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, this, this, I mean, the second.

• 41:30Robert Evans?

  This is a particularly bad one to fall for.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  Just like, oh, honey, yeah, like, you know, look, man, if you feel like you need to, you know, wear. You know, a onesie for underwear. Like, alright.

• 41:43Robert Evans?

  Right.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  Alright dude, like, I, fair enough.

• 41:46Robert Evans?

  You think L. Ron Hubbard has mind powers? He kinda did, you know?

• 41:50Speaker 02

  Kinda did. I mean, some of the biggest A-list celebrities are part of this. I could see how you could fall for it, be like, I'm trying to get the juice they got, but my, my friend, my friend, my brother in Christ, the heat's not on.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  And you can turn the heat on. Clearly, this lady can't stop them from turning off your heat, so I don't under-

• 42:14Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:16Robert Evans?

  And it's, it's this, this is part of why I also believe, I just said, I don't think these are on the higher end of, like, I don't think these are the brightest cult followers that ever existed. That said, I do kinda suspect a decent number of them really do know deep down that this isn't real. And so, in that case, it's not even an example of people not being super on the ball, brain-wise. People are just, I think a lot of people are just choosing this is the delusion I wanna be a part of. They're vulnerable, especially at this time. This is an adventure, it's exciting.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, leave me here.

• 42:49Robert Evans?

  I don't think that's an insignificant percentage of her people, you know? Not all of them.

• 42:55Speaker 02

  Leave, leave me to my delusions, yeah.

• 42:58Robert Evans?

  Right. It's more fun than the real world, and it probably is.

• 43:03Robert Evans?

  Did you low-informed her follower?

• 43:05Speaker 02

  Until you can't turn the light on.

• 43:07Robert Evans?

  Until you can't, and again, that's why you gotta transition from just telling people to hurt themselves over the internet to hurting them in person in a caravan of RVs, which is where the story's heading. So, the queen informed her followers.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  Is she the caravans?

• 43:22Robert Evans?

  No, she, she's a part of that, but she doesn't start that idea. No, no, no, no, no. So, the queen informed her followers that military tribunals had actually been trying and executing deep state cabalists since 2017 as part of what she called the Nuremberg Two Trials. And I hate to backseat alternate reality here, but Turenberg was right there.

• 43:42Speaker 02

  Turenberg was right there.

• 43:44Robert Evans?

  It's right, it's right there.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:47Robert Evans?

  She currently claims, for an idea of how bloodthirsty this is, as silly as it is, she claims 2.7 million people have already been executed. Just like, that's like-

• 43:57Speaker 02

  A lot.

• 43:57Robert Evans?

  It's like a third of the Holocaust or a fourth of the Holocaust, depending on how you count it. Like, that's a lot of people to have executed.

• 44:04Speaker 02

  Entire city of Toronto is gone, okay?

• 44:07Robert Evans?

  Yeah. Executed at the command of, quote, "our galactic federation of worlds of light beings." Because by this point, she's brought aliens into it, right?

• 44:16Speaker 02

  We're in space.

• 44:16Robert Evans?

  We're in space. There's alien white hats, they're fixing everything for us, they're gonna solve all of our problems. You know, and again, this is all à la carte bits and pieces of other cults, of other conspiratorial beliefs. And like, there's a little bit of Star Trek in there, right?

• 44:33Speaker 02

  This is the Dinuguan Bowl.

• 44:35Robert Evans?

  Right.

• 44:36Speaker 02

  All right.

• 44:36Robert Evans?

  Uh, Queen Elizabeth, at the time the closest pick for actual Queen of Canada, right? Because she's like the, they're like, you know, kind of part of the, they're part of the Commonwealth, right? Yeah, uh, and she was alive at the time. Uh, but Romana claimed, no she was not, she had been executed, uh, previously, like in 2018 or 2019 or something. I don't know exactly when she says the Queen was executed. But sometimes Romana would claim to have executed the Queen personally, to have actually killed the Queen herself. Um, and, you know, this is the case with a lot of fa- like, for example, Joe Biden, who's the president when she starts her-

• 45:14Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, body double.

• 45:15Robert Evans?

  -her thing. No, no, no, he's not, he was executed, he's been replaced with a fake, Trump's running things.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's a fake.

• 45:20Robert Evans?

  Or actually not, she doesn't believe Trump's running things, she believes the King of America is running things.

• 45:24Speaker 02

  Oh, from Phoenix.

• 45:25Robert Evans?

  Biden's a fake, yeah. Uh, "She first started to gain serious notoriety as a result of her imposition of the death penalty on basically every medical professional in Canada. But as time went on, her regular threats of execution and death became a key marker of the movement. As I noted earlier, followers began describing themselves as duck hunters while posting pictures of their purported firearms. To the extent that any strategic thinking was at play at all here, I think part of what Romana was doing with this initially was trying to expand her fanbase into the United States. Any half-aware cult leader has to know that we're where the big bucks are.

• 45:57Speaker 02

  Where her money is.

• 45:58Robert Evans?

  And you're just leaving money on the table if you don't think of a way for crazy Americans to follow along with the alternate reality game that you've turned your life into."

• 46:05Speaker 02

  Literally. Down the street. We're right around the corner. You have to go get it.

• 46:09Robert Evans?

  You gotta get involved, right? You gotta try for some of that cash.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:13Robert Evans?

  She would send messages in her Telegram that read, quote, "American brothers and sisters," in parentheses, "gun owners and all American military veterans. Please be ready to load those four by four flatbed trucks and trailers of yours. Just in case I, Queen Romana of Canada, decides to issue a special royal invite for you all on a short notice. Hashtag duck hunting. Oh, and please bring extra guns and ammo."

• 46:36Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 46:36Robert Evans?

  I just love that. "American brothers and sisters, gun owners."

• 46:40Speaker 02

  Listen, dude.

• 46:40Robert Evans?

  That's what I mean when I say American brothers, guys with guns.

• 46:43Speaker 00

  All I read was my American brothers and sisters, pew pew.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  Pew pew.

• 46:49Speaker 00

  And I thought, and I thought of those like fucking clowns, those like racist people that had those guns, that couple that had guns at that protest.

• 46:57Speaker 02

  Oh, in front of the little one, she had the little pea shooter.

• 46:59Speaker 00

  Little, little pieces of those. That's who I'm thinking of.

• 47:02Robert Evans?

  If you're the commander in chief of the American military, why do you need a bunch of random Americans with guns to do your killing?

• 47:08Speaker 00

  My American brothers and sisters.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  Were I the most MAGA-pilled person? I would get this and be like, we have to go. Like, we have to go see what this is. This is the funniest.

• 47:19Robert Evans?

  I'm taking my guns across the border. They'll let me in. The Queen said so.

• 47:22Speaker 02

  I would be like, we're going, we have to go. Like, let's just, we have to go, you know? Yeah.

• 47:28Speaker 00

  It's just the little gun lady.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  Still.

• 47:31Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 47:32Speaker 02

  Oh, Lord.

• 47:33Robert Evans?

  Okay, so in late 2021, Didulo bragged that she had about 100 duck hunters ready to do her bidding. A Telegram group was briefly created for these followers, and according to our friends at the QAnon Anonymous podcast, was immediately infiltrated by researchers, which probably goes part of the way to explaining why that group is defunct now. The larger part of why that group no longer exists is explained by the following story. On December 3rd of 2021, one of the Queen's followers was arrested after making threats to shoot people at his daughter's school. Per vice, quote, "The post was made inside a private chat for Canadian duck hunters. The post featured the details of his daughter's school, which was offering vaccinations to their students." He wrote, "Time to go hunting," bang, bang, at the end of the post.

• 48:16Robert Evans?

  The post has since been removed. It is unknown why or who took it down. I think I know why or who. I think because this guy got in trouble. Because, again, if I'm a journalist seeing that, or if I'm fucking a mountie seeing that, that's an actionable threat.

• 48:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. Also, I was pretty close with pew pew.

• 48:33Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 48:35Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 48:35Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 48:36Robert Evans?

  So, subsequent investigation by

• 48:38Speaker 02

  Your daughter's school?

• 48:39Robert Evans?

  Accused man.

• 48:40Speaker 00

  That's crazy.

• 48:40Robert Evans?

  Yeah, his daughter's school's gonna make her get vaccinated. Queen says, I can kill him.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 48:44Robert Evans?

  Shouldn't I? You know?

• 48:46Speaker 02

  Well, she is the queen. Yeah, okay.

• 48:48Robert Evans?

  Yeah, he and his family were all seemingly followers of, of Digilow, taking her advice to their, its logical conclusion, right? All this brought Romana her first real world consequences. The RCMP, aka The Mounties, carried out a wellness check on her, and she was briefly taken into custody, although no charges were ever filed. Again, these people are never like punished. I would argue, I don't think it's a violation of free speech to say, if you're telling your followers, go murder all of the doctors for doing vaccinations, and then one of them threatens to do a school shooting because of what you said, you're somewhat liable to that.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  I think you're liable, fam.

• 49:28Robert Evans?

  You crossed the bounds of free speech.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  I think you've crossed that line.

• 49:31Robert Evans?

  Saying, as the sovereign leader, kill these people.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:35Robert Evans?

  That's a bit of a thing.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was all funny games until, yeah. Yeah, I feel like I could, the wellness check part was, was, I shouldn't have found funny, but was also funny to me, where they was like, baby, are you okay?

• 49:51Robert Evans?

  Yeah. So, up until, uh, 20, the start of 2022, Romana was a figure of growing importance on the conspiratorial fringes of Canadian politics, but not someone who'd ever impacted the real world in a big way. In fact, the queen had never been seen in public. That all changed in late January, when a group of self-described truckers began occupying downtown Ottawa.

• 50:12Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 50:13Robert Evans?

  This is what you were talking about, right?

• 50:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 50:15Robert Evans?

  The big truck convoys from like a month.

• 50:17Speaker 00

  The big caravan situation.

• 50:18Robert Evans?

  Really fuck up life in Ottawa for a while.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:20Robert Evans?

  Um, their demands were, shall we say, inconsistent,

• 50:23Speaker 00

  confusing.

• 50:24Robert Evans?

  Incoherent, largely motivated by right-wing grievances, right? This is not a super rational movement, uh, with a lot of like specific things that they want that aren't insane. But there were a lot of them, and for weeks, swarms of trucks and RVs choked the city like a boa constrictor, and the sheer spectacle made it the most exciting and potentially lucrative moment. In recent history for Canadian right wing figures, right?

• 50:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:48Robert Evans?

  This is a thing where Romana is not on the ground floor of this. She doesn't help start it, but she sees this and she just hears a cash register.

• 50:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:56Robert Evans?

  Right? There's attention. If I can show up, a bunch of that attention will come my way and I get money. You know, a lot of people, this is, this is the case, you know, in a lot of things you can, you can talk about on the left wing. We had our version of this during like the 2020 uprising. So we were a bunch of grifters who were like, if I just show up at these things, I can start getting a lot of money. Right?

• 51:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:17Robert Evans?

  You know, so Romana made the decision to break her isolation and display herself in public for the first time. By this point, she had accumulated a kind of inner circle, right? A primitive one. This is like, we're not fully a cult yet. Where you've got those trappings, but she doesn't have any like real world followers quite yet. This is what's starting to happen. And the first of them were these, these people that she had appointed to moderate her Telegram channels. These are kind of her initial inner circle. They were a married couple of genially deluded Canadians named Corey and Daisy. When the Queen announced she was going to show up at Ottawa in person to take control of the situation, she pressed Corey and Daisy into service and had them pick her up from her home outside of downtown Victoria, B.C.

• 52:02Robert Evans?

  The couple found their Queen living in a small, filthy and crowded room, more like a storage space than a home. As soon as they showed up, Daisy related later, quote, "We went up there and then she told us, oh, don't call me Queen right now because everybody here knows me as Romana and nobody knows that I'm living a double life." Now that's both inconsistent with what she claimed about her roommate previously, but also why don't, why don't your roommates know that you're in charge of everything? Why are you secret? You talk about this online, like you're not hiding your existence from the rest of the world. Why can only your roommates not know?

• 52:36Speaker 02

  How do you not walk into that and go, oh, man? And then just turn around and leave.

• 52:42Robert Evans?

  You know what? We got conned. We got conned. Sorry. It's a fame. Again, because they wanted to have fun, right? I think because they wanted to have fun. Yeah. That's, I think, as much thought has got put into it, really. Like, because these people do leave, so they're not, they're not crazy. They're able to, like, catch up with reality. I think it was fun, and I think at this point it still is. And you know what's really fun? Tell me what's really fun, Robert. Sponsors of podcasts getting your money and spending it. A show.

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• 55:31Robert Evans?

  We're back. So, as you might pick up on by the fact that they talked to the press later, Daisy and Corey get illusion comparatively fast. And this begs the question, how did anyone fall for this con for any length of time? Yes. And I think there's some interviews that make the basics of what they were doing pretty clear. Didilelo and her followers were all people who felt like something was missing from their lives. Yeah. For Romana, this was being a queen because she was not special. She was not someone who the world said was special, right? She was someone who was living on the margins, probably a fairly difficult life, probably a life without a lot of, you know, fun to it. Because she's struggling the whole time. And not a life in which people are deferent, show deference to her.

• 56:15Robert Evans?

  And so, becoming the queen, people are suddenly treating her with respect. They're waiting on her hand and foot. There's going to eventually be money in this. But what do her followers get out of it? Well, I mean, I think they're all people who want to play at being the special boys and girls with a special world-saving quest, right? Romana offers them a fantasy and they chose to take it. I don't know how else you explain this level of willful delusion. And to emphasize that, I'm going to quote from one of Max's articles for Vice. Corey and Daisy drove Didilelo to meet about 50 cheering fans at the launch point of her convoy behind Victoria's Parliament building. One person broke into tears upon seeing her. Vice News also attended, and Didilelo refused to answer any questions when asked. From there, five vehicles, including several rented RVs,

• 56:57Robert Evans?

  and about 15 people began their trek towards Ottawa at a breakneck pace. And you know, just the fact that like you show up and people break into tears seeing you because they're so overwhelmed with emotion and how like that, number one, that's someone who has definitely drank the Kool-Aid.

• 57:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:12Robert Evans?

  And that's also addictive for someone like Romana.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:14Robert Evans?

  You know, you, you immediately go from your shitty little hoarder house to, yeah, people worshiping you. Why would I ever go back home? You know?

• 57:23Speaker 02

  Facts.

• 57:23Robert Evans?

  That's how she's going to react to this. Chris Cowan, a videographer, fell in with the group for a while when they passed through Calgary. He later recalled the pace that they took as aggressive with Romana micromanaging everyone's position in the caravan. If we were not within sight of the vehicle, we would get a call to go faster, he said. This would prove to have been a warning sign for the future. Once they reached Ottawa, Romana and her following, which is like a little more than a dozen people, um, and you know, when you add in the locals in Ottawa, maybe there's a couple dozen people. It's a little unclear to me, the exact numbers, but it's not huge, but it's, you know, a lot for someone like her to suddenly have waiting on her hand and foot. But they run into conflict very quickly with other right wing protesters because this is a huge movement. There's a lot of people in Ottawa.

• 58:07Robert Evans?

  And while they're all people we might call right wing cranks, most of them don't believe that Canada has a queen.

• 58:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:16Robert Evans?

  Who fought off the Chinese military in underground tunnels. Most of them don't believe that.

• 58:21Speaker 02

  That's what I'm trying to tell you. I was waiting for this moment.

• 58:23Robert Evans?

  Maybe they're racist, maybe they don't like lockdowns. Apparently they do believe some bullshit about COVID, but they don't believe this.

• 58:29Speaker 02

  I've been waiting for this moment when she run into the rest of the, the rest of the day was like.

• 58:33Robert Evans?

  And they're like, what?

• 58:34Speaker 02

  No, people say we, people say we crazy. She's crazy.

• 58:39Robert Evans?

  And this didn't work well because one of the first things she does is, as I noted above, the Canadian government is Canada Inc. Corporation, which is an invalid evil corporation. She's the sovereign republic of Canada that she's governing, right?

• 58:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:55Robert Evans?

  So she burns a Canadian flag. And the purpose of this is it's symbolic of her symbolically destroying the corrupt corporate Canadian government and replacing it with her own legitimate regime, right? However, a bunch of angry conservatives just see a woman who is not white, light a Canadian flag on fire.

• 59:16Speaker 02

  Always get you. That melanin will always come get you.

• 59:19Robert Evans?

  Doesn't go over super well.

• 59:20Speaker 02

  I was like, I was waiting for the Filipino part to play a role. There it is. All right.

• 59:25Robert Evans?

  Yeah. So this, this causes some tense standoffs and a lot of yelling and several, a chunk of her followers leave at this point, actually. These are people who had not gotten that deep into it, right? This is just starting, they're like, ah, you know what? This ain't for me. I don't like this lady, I don't like what she's doing.

• 59:41Speaker 00

  They're like, wait, actually, uh, this does not seem very chill.

• 59:46Speaker 02

  I didn't know we was gonna burn flags.

• 59:49Robert Evans?

  Yeah, I didn't know we were doing that.

• 59:50Speaker 02

  I didn't know it was getting this far. Yeah.

• 59:53Robert Evans?

  What's interesting to me is that Didulo's reaction to this, I went back and forth as to like, what should you do? Should you apologize? Should you try to explain yourself? Should you try and repair? She refuses to apologize and refuses to admit any wrongdoing and instead starts attacking the truckers. Because she saw, she's very frustrated, right?

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  She's the queen.

• 1:00:14Robert Evans?

  She sees this as disobedience to her rule. And she also sees, she had really been hoping this would go over better for her, that like, this is what's gonna make me into a major national figure. I'm going to take over this occupation.

• 1:00:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:26Robert Evans?

  And this is how all, maybe, maybe she even thought she was gonna physically take over the government this way, with a huge caravan of weirdos, I don't know.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  She could've totally just played that so much cooler, be like, no, you guys don't understand, I'm the queen of actual Canada.

• 1:00:40Robert Evans?

  I'm the queen.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  That's not even our flag.

• 1:00:42Robert Evans?

  We just gotta get rid of this bad flag.

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:45Robert Evans?

  Unfortunately, people just aren't playing along. Even Fox News refuses to humor her, because they have no, the, whatever journalists they've got on the ground has no idea who she is. At one point during the occupation, she comes across a Fox reporter who's interviewing truckers, and she like, tries to insert herself in the situation, and because she is who she is, she's live streaming this whole time. So she tells her followers, oh, Fox has requested that I sit for an interview. And then she tries to like, barge in and talk to the reporter, and the reporter's not at all interested in her, right? And so she's like, don't you know I'm the queen of Canada? And he's like, oh, I had no idea.

• 1:01:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:21Robert Evans?

  Like, I didn't, yeah, I didn't know that.

• 1:01:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I didn't know, actually, can you just wait right here, security? Like, you know, just, we're gonna get to you right now.

• 1:01:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:30Robert Evans?

  And this, this goes over really badly. She gets pissed and replies, I'll make sure your commander in chief in the United States Army knows about it. Again,

• 1:01:39Robert Evans?

  Not, she's not in the army for one thing.

• 1:01:42Speaker 00

  She's not talking about Grandpa Joe.

• 1:01:43Robert Evans?

  No one calls it the commander in chief of the army either. It's of the whole military. Anyway, whatever. And again, she's also, I should state, when she says, "I'll make sure your commander in chief knows about it," she's also not talking about Joe Biden.

• 1:01:54Speaker 00

  She's not talking about Joe.

• 1:01:55Robert Evans?

  She's talking about that dude in Arizona.

• 1:01:56Speaker 02

  Carl in Arizona.

• 1:01:58Robert Evans?

  Yeah. On the whole, the trucker rally was a failure for her movement. Her posts about this period show a deep jealousy, more than anything else. She is really unhappy with the fact that, like, other grifters are seeing more success than her and she's kind of being ignored.

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  But I'm the queen!

• 1:02:16Robert Evans?

  Yeah. "I'm the queen. Don't you guys know I'm the queen?" Like, come on here, right?

• 1:02:21Speaker 02

  It's video?

• 1:02:22Speaker 00

  The queen!

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  Sheesh.

• 1:02:24Robert Evans?

  Yeah, come on now. So yeah, you see a lot of jealousy in the stuff she's writing at this time. And I want to give you a, this is a quote from her Telegram page. "The ancient royal families, white hats, military, and global alliance, galactic and intergalactic alliance, federation of worlds of light beings have been working for thousands of years to free planet Earth. And suddenly you say truckers freed the world? Get your head out of the toilet bowl, eh?"

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  Oh!

• 1:02:50Robert Evans?

  She just acts like a Canadian. That's good.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  That's the greatest. Aw, man.

• 1:02:53Robert Evans?

  Yeah. You guys aren't saving the world. The aliens are, and me!

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  Oh, the truckers did it? Oh, yeah, sure, sure!

• 1:02:59Robert Evans?

  Thousands of years this plan's been in work. Yeah.

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  Truckers didn't do anything either, just FYI.

• 1:03:07Robert Evans?

  Right, right. And this is the kind of thing, this is a failure, kind of, for her. She doesn't hugely increase her visibility or her number of followers as a result of this. But it's a success in that she's now just spent days living in RVs, which are definitely nicer than her house.

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 1:03:25Robert Evans?

  She's got, like, a dozen or more people who believe she's the queen and are talking to her like she's a god, almost. And she's got hundreds of more followers online, sending her money, and tens of thousands of people reading what she's saying. Life's good. Life's a lot better now than it used to be. Why don't I just keep, let it ride, keep this going? And so she decides, I'm gonna continue living in a caravan of RVs with my followers as long as I possibly can. I don't wanna go back. So, this is, there's a little bit of a hiccup here, which, because while they're living in Ottawa, Romana, they, they rent an RV, at least one of the RV, I think a couple of the RVs they rent, they, they use are rented. And when they're renting their RVs, the occupation's going on.

• 1:04:09Robert Evans?

  And the people who run the, the rental place are like, okay, but you can't take this to Ottawa for that big stupid occupation thing. Cause all the RVs there are getting trashed. People are like, living in filth there and destroying them. And we're not gonna take that risk. You're not allowed to do that. And they're like, we absolutely aren't going to Ottawa. And then they drive to Ottawa.

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  Immediately.

• 1:04:30Robert Evans?

  And they don't realize that like, RVs cost a lot of money. The cheap ones are like 50 or 60 grand in a lot of cases. And it's, many of them are like more than a quarter of a million, $200,000, $100,000. They're expensive products, right? And you don't rent something like that to a stranger without tracking it.

• 1:04:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's number one.

• 1:04:51Robert Evans?

  Yeah, yeah. So the RV people realized, and they called them, like, you have to take these back immediately. And they do take them back immediately, cause she's not the queen and she doesn't wanna wind up on the hook for a shitload of money for these RVs that they would have been stolen, right? So.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  And I already know she waived the, uh, I already know she waived the, uh, the insurance. I already know you waived that.

• 1:05:13Robert Evans?

  Definitely. She's not wasting money on that.

• 1:05:14Speaker 00

  But that, but I feel like that's really interesting to note, because that shows a level of like, understanding right and wrong decision-making. And like, being a little bit financially aware. That's very interesting to know. Yeah.

• 1:05:28Robert Evans?

  Yeah, yeah. Um, so she has to, while these RVs get returned and she figures out how to set up a better situation for themselves travel-wise, she has to put her whole cult up in a hotel for like a week, which is strange, the movement's finances. They were making money, but it's like thousands, maybe in the low tens at this point. And between. Renting RVs, paying for gas, drive across Canada, keeping more than a dozen people in hotels. You're gonna run through that fairly quickly. Yeah. Uh, and you're gonna run through it even more quickly because Romana started making, we just talked about like, well, she's capable of some sort of rationality because she had them take the RVs back. She's also making objectively irrational decisions with her money. Case in point, and I'm gonna quote from Mac Lamro's article here.

• 1:06:13Robert Evans?

  "For a good period of that time, Cory and Daisy said Digilow made them keep a room open for more than $300 a night just in case Russian President Vladimir Putin dropped by. 'I invite President Putin to join the NATO alliance to continue to preserve peace and prosperity around the world,' she said in the Telegram livestream from one of her hotel rooms. 'I welcome you to the Kingdom of Canada,' she would later claim that Putin gifted her an autographed watch."

• 1:06:35Speaker 02

  An autographed watch?

• 1:06:37Speaker 00

  I just love the idea-

• 1:06:38Robert Evans?

  Gotta keep a room open for Putin.

• 1:06:40Speaker 02

  Sharpie? Like, you just write on a watch?

• 1:06:43Speaker 00

  I just love the idea of Vladimir Putin at a $300 a night hotel.

• 1:06:49Robert Evans?

  Sophie, you're laughing, but I have a spare room in my house that is kept ready at all times in case Vladimir Putin drops by, and I think he will one day.

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  At this point, I'm back on the team of the followers to be like-

• 1:07:01Speaker 00

  It's giving, it's giving-

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  I'll just stay in the room.

• 1:07:05Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  Until he gets there.

• 1:07:06Robert Evans?

  Until he shows up. Is that cool?

• 1:07:08Speaker 00

  But it's giving, it's giving leaving the closeout for LRH to come back.

• 1:07:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:07:13Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:13Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:07:14Robert Evans?

  Well, there's a lot of, there must be frustration, because she's, a lot of these people are like sleeping two to a room. Right?

• 1:07:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:21Robert Evans?

  Because they don't have much money, and there's like an empty room for Vladimir Putin? So he can join NATO?

• 1:07:27Speaker 00

  I'm sorry, it's so funny.

• 1:07:29Speaker 02

  But she just left NATO. I love it. Alright.

• 1:07:32Robert Evans?

  Yeah, yeah. Um, so, the story of the autographed watch from Putin is a good case study and how Digilow warps and alters reality haphazardly to buttress her delusions of grandeur. She was in fact brought a watch that looks from a distance like it might be a Rolex. Uh, and she was given this watch by a large man who might be Russian, named Marcus. Uh, I'm gonna show you a picture from Christine Sartesi's study of Marcus handing her this watch.

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  This is great.

• 1:07:59Speaker 00

  It's the-

• 1:08:00Robert Evans?

  But there's like this big, square-jawed guy smiling. He's got like a vaguely military-looking jacket on, standing next to Romana in her white coat. They're both holding the watch.

• 1:08:10Speaker 00

  He could just be-

• 1:08:11Robert Evans?

  She has a very serious look on her face.

• 1:08:13Speaker 00

  But he could just be-

• 1:08:13Robert Evans?

  Next to an RV that has her portrait on it. Queen, Her Majesty, Queen Romana, yeah.

• 1:08:18Speaker 00

  He could just be an extra on that season of Stranger Things been there at the, in Russia. That's what I'm thinking.

• 1:08:26Robert Evans?

  Uh, and it's got, you can see her little flag, which is like a maple leaf-

• 1:08:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:30Robert Evans?

  That says "God loves you," which is a nice message for someone who mostly talks about executing people.

• 1:08:35Speaker 02

  This is great.

• 1:08:36Robert Evans?

  Now, I know what you're asking. Who's Marcus?

• 1:08:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:39Robert Evans?

  Is he connected at all to the Russian government? Is he Russian? I don't know. I have found nothing about him other than this photo-

• 1:08:46Speaker 00

  I like my theory.

• 1:08:49Robert Evans?

  Or has, I believe she took it.

• 1:08:50Speaker 00

  I like my theory.

• 1:08:52Robert Evans?

  My guess would be that he's a minor figure in the QAnon world. I don't know, though. Maybe he's just some guy who had a watch for her and she cooked up the rest and he agreed to play along. Maybe he came to her with the lie. I'm sure it's a fake Rolex. I can't tell-

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  There's no way in the world that's a Rolex.

• 1:09:09Robert Evans?

  It's too distant a photo, there's no way that's a real Rolex, yeah. Um, so after the, and it's very funny. She's really obsessed in this early period, and this is in like the last few months before Russia's expanded invasion of Ukraine. She's really talking about like, "I'm working with Putin to make peace. He's going to join NATO, everything's gonna be fine. He would never invade Ukraine. Putin's on the side of the white hats, you know? We're all working to get rid of the evil deep state cabals."

• 1:09:35Speaker 02

  Ma'am, you couldn't keep my electricity on.

• 1:09:38Robert Evans?

  Yeah, like your followers' cat died because he didn't have cooling in the summer.

• 1:09:43Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:09:44Robert Evans?

  Um, so as Russia starts to move troops, en masse troops on Ukraine's border and then invades, she's before the invasion saying, "Nothing's gonna happen." And then once it starts, she takes to the air to tell her followers, "The Russian army is only in Ukraine to clear out the deep state and no civilians are being hurt whatsoever."

• 1:10:06Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 1:10:06Robert Evans?

  They're just stopping the deep state. Again, you'd think that this is an obvious lie made even clearer. Again, some of her followers, there's a sizable Ukrainian DS for a population in, uh, in Canada. Mac Lammers will say that, like, people were getting calls, people in Ukraine were getting calls from family members who bought into this stuff, being like, "You guys will be fine!" Like, that's just gotta be really, really infuriating.

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  Furious.

• 1:10:31Robert Evans?

  Um, so, uh, in her article on the subject, Sarteshi writes, quote, "Didulo also announced that she and her team were planning a trip to Russia to meet with Putin. For the trip, she and her team were to fly aboard Air Force One, the plane used by the President of the United States, which Didulo said she would be renaming QR One. Months prior, Didulo stated that she had been asked for and received Air Force One. Didulo would soon be traveling on QR One, but not before the aircraft was repainted with her insignia. Didulo stated that North Korea Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un has placed Didulo's self-created flag on all of his government buildings, kept her framed photo next to his, and said that she was personally invited to coordinate a state visit to Pyongyang. Didulo has also claimed that the Hells Angels

• 1:11:13Robert Evans?

  Motorcycle Club personally offered to provide her with security, and that Mohammed bin Salman, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, is a personal friend and her brother. Didulo has said that she is in frequent contact with MBS, so that he regularly watches her livestreams on Telegram, and he sends her large sums of money."

• 1:11:29Speaker 02

  This? She is wonderful. Like-

• 1:11:32Robert Evans?

  Oh, man. Great, great. Great stuff, man.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  Covered every base.

• 1:11:37Robert Evans?

  You got them all. You got them all.

• 1:11:39Speaker 02

  No, really, I'm the homie. I'm the homie.

• 1:11:41Robert Evans?

  If MBS is sending you money, why can't you just buy RVs? You know? Why are you renting them?

• 1:11:46Speaker 00

  It's not even the RVs, but if MBS is sending you so much fucking money, why are you, why are there three people to a hotel room? Why is the hotel room a $300 hotel room?

• 1:11:56Robert Evans?

  Where's the plane? Where does the Air Force One go if he gave it to you? Also, why do you need Hells Angels security if you're the Commander in Chief of the Canadian military?

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  Listen, listen, listen. Because she good in the, in the, in the office, and she good in the streets. I got them both. I got them both.

• 1:12:13Robert Evans?

  She's got them both set out. Right. Sometimes, sometimes you need to roll with some, like, with some guys who know how to get things done, right? You know?

• 1:12:20Speaker 00

  Okay, but then what?

• 1:12:24Speaker 00

  Keep going.

• 1:12:25Robert Evans?

  Sophie.

• 1:12:25Speaker 00

  I need to know.

• 1:12:26Speaker 02

  Sophie, come on now. Why she ain't pull up no Canadian gangsters?

• 1:12:30Speaker 00

  Then what happens?

• 1:12:32Robert Evans?

  There's no Canadian gangsters, Prop. They're too polite.

• 1:12:34Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, you're right.

• 1:12:36Robert Evans?

  Yeah, yeah. What are they doing, smuggling maple syrup? Come on.

• 1:12:40Speaker 00

  Then what happens?

• 1:12:42Robert Evans?

  You guys can commit murder. I believe you.

• 1:12:45Speaker 00

  Tell the rest of this story. I'm dying here.

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  Okay, please tell the rest of the story.

• 1:12:49Robert Evans?

  So as her semi-permanent road trip rolled on, Queen Didulo continued her well-worn tactic of recording live streams and YouTube videos and posting on Telegram. She became increasingly open about her real origins, which of course were not as an orphaned Filipino immigrant, but as an alien from outer space. The website Raffler interviewed Christine Sarteshi for an article on Queen Didulo. Quote, "She has talked about being from the planet Arcturus, so there's an alien element to this," Sarteshi explained. "She thinks that she has been sent here in sort of a divine way from God, Master Creator, that she has been sent here to save people." Didulo does not shy away from claims like these in online videos. "The Arcturians are the most advanced, like the Yoda," she has said.

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  The Arcturians?

• 1:13:32Robert Evans?

  The Arcturians, from Arcturus, yes. "They're the most advanced, like the Yoda."

• 1:13:37Speaker 00

  The Yoda.

• 1:13:38Robert Evans?

  The Yoda. I think she's talking about like Yoda?

• 1:13:40Speaker 00

  The Facebook, the Yoda.

• 1:13:41Robert Evans?

  From the Star Wars movie? But she just says "the Yoda"? That's not his species, I don't think.

• 1:13:45Speaker 02

  That's his name, man.

• 1:13:47Robert Evans?

  That's his name. I don't think the species is the Yoda's, although I don't know that we have a name for the species. It's probably somewhere in the Expanded lore or some shit, but maybe they retcon that. Either way, it's not the Yoda.

• 1:13:58Speaker 00

  This is like the most worked up I've been in an episode, and I'm really sorry to listeners. I'm losing my mind.

• 1:14:03Speaker 02

  That is so funny. I learned all my powers from the Marx.

• 1:14:07Robert Evans?

  Yeah, from the Marx.

• 1:14:08Speaker 00

  Oh, my god. The Yoda.

• 1:14:11Robert Evans?

  She has said, "I am not a dictator. I am guided by the highest divine beings, and I am here to deliver peace and prosperity," you know?

• 1:14:19Speaker 00

  Sure, okay.

• 1:14:20Robert Evans?

  That's believable to me.

• 1:14:21Speaker 00

  Go off.

• 1:14:22Robert Evans?

  I think that's all real, you know? And I think that's a good place to end. Part deux.

• 1:14:28Speaker 00

  Oh my god.

• 1:14:29Robert Evans?

  We'll come back next week. This ran a little long with a third parter. And then next week, we'll also have a separate one parter episode. So you'll get your two episodes next week. Don't worry, folks.

• 1:14:38Speaker 02

  I can't believe there's more.

• 1:14:39Robert Evans?

  We just wound up having a little bit too much fun with Queen Romana. It's a nice little break from all of the crimes against humanity and murders.

• 1:14:46Speaker 00

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna try to calm down before part three, but I can't promise anything.

• 1:14:50Speaker 02

  I can't believe there's another part.

• 1:14:52Robert Evans?

  Sophie, Sophie, take some of the wisdom of the Yoda. You know, relax or don't relax. There's no trying to relax.

• 1:15:01Speaker 00

  Relax, I am. Okay, listen to Hood Politics this episode.

• 1:15:05Robert Evans?

  You're tight with the Yoda.

• 1:15:07Speaker 00

  I'm tight with the Yoda.

• 1:15:09Robert Evans?

  The Yoda.

• 1:15:10Speaker 02

  The Yoda.

• 1:15:11Robert Evans?

  The Yoda?

• 1:15:12Speaker 02

  All of them.

• 1:15:12Speaker 00

  The Yoda.

• 1:15:13Robert Evans?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:15:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:15Robert Evans?

  Again, like, do we believe that? I know we believe it's real. I know there's people who believe Yoda is real. There's people who believe that all of the fiction stuff is real.

• 1:15:23Speaker 00

  I wish Yoda was real. So cute.

• 1:15:26Robert Evans?

  Don't, don't tell people things. They don't, you know, you can't make jokes. You can't have fun in the world. There's too many people who will just believe whatever crazy stuff you say.

• 1:15:39Robert Evans?

  It's unfortunate. Anyway, [BLEEP] has an island in which children are hunted for sport by the wealthy. You know, go out into the real world and take action based on this totally true thing that I told you. Not a lie. Not just a bit for a podcast.

• 1:15:54Speaker 00

  Rory, cut that. Rory, fucking cut that. Robert, we can't, we...

• 1:15:59Robert Evans?

  Keep it in Rory. Keep it in. Keep it in Rory.

• 1:16:01Speaker 00

  Fuck off, Robert. Fuck off.

• 1:16:03Robert Evans?

  Yeah, it's okay. We've said it's a joke. It's fine.

• 1:16:07Speaker 00

  It's not fine, Rory. Fucking cut that. I...

• 1:16:10Robert Evans?

  Keep it in Rory. Keep it in.

• 1:16:13Speaker 00

  Bye.

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