Part One: Space Magic from Venus: A Literary Odyssey

Robert sits down with Molly Conger to explore a book at the foundation of American conspiracy culture that may have helped kill Steve Jobs. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:04Robert Evans?

  Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Keep all this in. This is the good stuff. Oh, welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast where I, Robert Evans, have finally won an award. And no, it's not a real award. It's a bullshit award that you get when your YouTube channel crosses a threshold that really, in the grand scheme of YouTube, is not a whole lot of subscribers. But Sophie-

• 0:29Speaker 01

  Do they mail you a plaque?

• 0:30Robert Evans?

  Have you gotten yours yet?

• 0:31Speaker 01

  No.

• 0:33Robert Evans?

  Oh, yeah.

• 0:33Speaker 01

  No, I haven't.

• 0:34Robert Evans?

  Oh, yeah.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  Well, I'm gonna put mine up, because there's nothing better than a fake award.

• 0:38Robert Evans?

  We're opening this bad boy.

• 0:39Speaker 01

  Oh, let's do an unboxing. I'm on it. I thought this was just-

• 0:42Robert Evans?

  Oh, yeah.

• 0:43Speaker 01

  I thought this was just when-

• 0:43Robert Evans?

  We're getting into this son of a bitch.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  I thought this was just like when I told you that like, you're really good and like, that's better than an award. I thought it was like, one of those again, where I'm like-

• 0:52Robert Evans?

  No, you have been telling me that lie for quite some time.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  Where it's like, you know what, Robert?

• 0:56Robert Evans?

  I gotta tell you, Sophie-

• 0:57Speaker 01

  You're number one in my heart, and that's all that matters.

• 1:01Robert Evans?

  Boy, a sword is not the ideal tool for this, but it works.

• 1:05Speaker 01

  When I get mine, I'll open mine with some kind of weapon you've given me. I don't think the axe will be good, but maybe-

• 1:12Robert Evans?

  Do you remember your first subscriber? Absolutely not. Your 100th, or your 1000th? Chances are, you do. And we know you'll definitely remember your 100,000th subscriber. No, absolutely not. I have no idea how any of you people are. I have gone on to look at the comments exactly once, and I decided that if I continued to do that, I would, in fact, become the Joker.

• 1:34Speaker 01

  Oh, I looked. The first day, I looked, and somebody's talked about masturbating to us, and I was done.

• 1:40Robert Evans?

  Here's our, here's our, honestly, somewhat, like, I mean, it's great, like, 100,000's, fine, it's a start. We're above that now. But, uh, I don't know. Here you go.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  Nice plaque, buddy.

• 1:50Robert Evans?

  We got a plaque, finally.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  I want one.

• 1:52Robert Evans?

  Finally.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  It's so shiny.

• 1:53Robert Evans?

  I've never had a plaque before.

• 1:55Speaker 01

  Daniel, where's mine?

• 1:57Robert Evans?

  Look at this. It like fucks with the light in the room. I can like, I can like, do an Aziz light on myself while I look at ancient hieroglyphs that reveal the aliens that have been coming to Earth for thousands of years to direct civilization, which is relevant to today's episode.

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• 3:20Speaker 01

  I just want to address the color of my drink because it's very strange colored before we start.

• 3:25Robert Evans?

  I feel like just now that you've addressed it, people are gonna get weird in the comments.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  I just want to address it because it's so alarmingly strange.

• 3:33Robert Evans?

  Our subscriber, look, look, you know what? I'm calling an end to this bit, using my powers as a judge.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  No, I just want to address the color of my drink.

• 3:41Robert Evans?

  That left real dense.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Oh shit, Robert, you've already destroyed it. Well done. Anyways, back to this.

• 3:48Robert Evans?

  This is not a robust mallet either.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  YouTube, great quality. Back to the color of my drink.

• 3:55Robert Evans?

  Props are critical.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  The bottle, the bottle is tinted purple and it's electrolyte water because I'm preventing myself from getting another kidney stone, so.

• 4:02Robert Evans?

  Hey, that's great. I'm immune to all problems, except for I'm actually fighting something, so I've got a cough right now. I'm not immune to anything. This is really a bad intro to the podcast. It's a terrible intro, Sophie, because I had a great lead in where I was talking about how like this is like in the start of Fifth Element where Aziz is using the mirror to direct light to the guy looking at the hieroglyphs because the aliens that keep coming back to guide humanity were back. And today we are talking about aliens that have been guiding humanity forever. It is a book episode, everybody. Huzzah, huzzah, praise be. And it's a book episode that is getting, we're not getting into this QAnon shit.

• 4:44Robert Evans?

  We're going behind those bastards and we are talking about a set of myths and a couple of specific authors who were at the very beginning, the beautiful, hopeful birth of the UFO movement, which today is filled with a lot of people who are just basically Nazis. But back in the day, it was a lot of fun. Molly, you, you remember the good UFO movement, don't you? Back when it was pure. It was pure. It was beautiful. I, I got reminded of that, of that special time, that it, special time and place. And by place, it's like Taos, New Mexico, Mount Shasta, California, and a couple of other small desert and/or Pacific Northwest towns.

• 5:27Robert Evans?

  But a friend of mine went down to a part, a small town, I don't want to get, this person is a public figure, so I am fine talking about them in their Airbnb, but I don't want to give too much detail because people, you know, be creeping. But they were at a small town in Northern California and they texted me from it saying, "I think this Airbnb is owned by a cult." And then three minutes later, "I think the cult might be Nazis." So many such cases. First off, I, I had a little, just like, sit down, went and bought a cigarette, smoked it, just like, so I'm the guy that like, if my friends think they've stumbled into a Nazi trap house, like, that, that, I, I get the text, right? Like, that's, that's, that's just, and I know you're that, you're that person for so many people,

• 6:12Robert Evans?

  Molly. That's part of why I've brought you in. I would say if I were to stumble into a Nazi trap house, I would start texting you and being like, "Molly, Molly, I need some help. I think I recognize these sigils." I'd have those property records in an instant for you, Robert. So I looked into it and the good news is that I don't think they're Nazis. They just talk a lot about seeing Nazi UFOs, uh, which was a thing in the 50s, 60s UFO movement. That does not mean that they are fascists. So that's the good part. Uh, and I, I told them after I looked into this, this fella, uh, whose books were strewn about the house, or a book, they had a number of books strewn about the house that were specifically about Venusian

• 6:53Robert Evans?

  space magic and Venusian medicine, by which I mean medicine and magic from Venus.

• 6:59Speaker 04

  I don't think you can go there.

• 7:00Robert Evans?

  You know, you would think that Molly, but actually there's been a long and proud history of people from Venus coming to the United States, uh, to deliver us, by some accounts, the iPhone. That was actually from a season of American Horror Story.

• 7:12Speaker 04

  Just women, right? Only women are from Venus.

• 7:14Robert Evans?

  No, not at all true. Men who look like extras from an early David Lynch movie are from Venus. It's entirely possible David Lynch himself was from Venus, based on some of the photographs that I've got here.

• 7:24Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 7:24Robert Evans?

  Um, so I, I, I looked into this and she actually ordered a copy of one of the books that she found there. Um, but as I was looking into it, I was like, I don't think these people are Nazis. And she said, and I was like, so they might be harmless. And the next response I got from her was, do you want me to send you all the pictures the owner of this house has of himself with like 30 young white women in dresses? So.

• 7:50Robert Evans?

  Immediately we're back to, oh, okay. This, this could be going in a bad direction again.

• 7:56Speaker 04

  Um. And he's obviously very proud of these things because he did not put away his personal items before renting out the house.

• 8:02Robert Evans?

  He absolutely did. No, these are, she said that every single corner of every room has, has a crystal. And when I say a crystal, I'm not talking about like your friend who is in the crystals and buys like little ones that they keep in bags or like, you know, wear on their neck. I am talking like crystals that cost thousands and thousands of dollars and are like four feet high, like, like every single room has these things in them.

• 8:24Speaker 04

  Oh, that's a whole market. Yeah.

• 8:26Robert Evans?

  They, she took pictures of them. I remember seeing them. She now claims all of the pictures have disappeared from her phone. And I can only recall, think of a supernatural explanation for this. It can't be something to do with uploading them to the wrong cloud service or whatever. This has to be the aliens.

• 8:42Speaker 04

  It was the aliens. I mean, if they invented the iPhone, they know how to get the pictures off the iPhone.

• 8:46Robert Evans?

  Right, right.

• 8:47Speaker 04

  Baby stuff.

• 8:48Robert Evans?

  And we all know American Horror Story is, uh, what's that, what's that term Alex Jones uses for media that's trying to prepare you for the truth?

• 8:55Speaker 04

  Predictive programming.

• 8:56Robert Evans?

  Predictive programming, right?

• 8:57Speaker 04

  Right, because the ultimate existential evil we all face

• 9:01Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 9:01Speaker 04

  Plays by a certain set of rules and they have to tell you what they're gonna do.

• 9:04Robert Evans?

  I do, I do love that. That's like right up there with God hiding dinosaur bones to trick people.

• 9:09Speaker 04

  I gave you all the clues.

• 9:11Robert Evans?

  I gave you all the clues. Why didn't you figure it out, Mr. Policeman? So, one of the key people behind this, this, because the specific chunk of alien weirdos that we're talking with today, and this includes the guy who owns that house, is people who either think they are from Venus, they are in contact with people from Venus, or people from Venus have come here in order to help us. And kind of the foundational member of the, or the foundational like figure in this movement is a fella named Valiant Thor.

• 9:43Speaker 04

  No, it's not.

• 9:45Robert Evans?

  Oh, oh Molly, you're gonna love this. When I say, when I say, "Looks like a guy from a David Lynch movie," uh, I'm not, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna have to put on my, give you my screen here.

• 9:57Speaker 04

  I love, I love a fun name, like the 9/11 truth guy who called himself Able Danger.

• 10:02Robert Evans?

  Yeah, Able Danger. That's a, that's a good name. That's a good name. And again, so unlike actual spy names. So this is Valiant Thor. In, I believe, the 60s, he started showing up at UFO conventions claiming to be a man from Venus with an IQ of 1,200. And first off, I gotta say, the burden of proof is on people to convince me he is not from Venus because look at the, no, no mortal human could keep that much gel in their hair. It's simply not possible.

• 10:33Speaker 04

  Uh, they had, they had pomades back then that the FDA has taken from us.

• 10:38Robert Evans?

  They did, but that is simply more dapper Dan that could fit on a human male's scalp. I don't know, Gavin Newsom, J.J. Reddick, a lot of gel. He does look a little like Gavin Newsom. Have we checked out Gavin Newsom's birth certificate? Is he possibly from Venus?

• 10:55Speaker 04

  You've just invented a new kind of birtherism. We're in, we're in dangerous territory.

• 10:59Robert Evans?

  But look at that man. He's got a pocket square. He does look like he just stepped off of like the, uh, the fucking, um, oh, what's that highway David Lynch movie Garrison keeps showing me?

• 11:10Speaker 04

  I just watched Blue Velvet for the first time.

• 11:12Robert Evans?

  Blue Velvet. Let's say Blue Velvet. There's some Blue Velvet guy in this guy's look. I'm sure David Lynch was familiar with the story of Valiant Thor.

• 11:20Speaker 04

  I have no doubt about that at all.

• 11:22Robert Evans?

  And as a spoiler, one area or thing we're going to get into today that I'm excited about is what I am absolutely certain is a photo that inspired Jordan Peele to make the movie Nope, or that helped to inspire. It was one of the, one of the inspirations behind the movie Nope. So stay tuned for that, my friends. But first, so Valiant Thor is like the first of these guys. And he, he claims like, uh, apparently to have landed. I'm actually going to read, this is from his Amazon author page. Cause he, Valiant Thor wrote, "A frustrating number of books, Molly."

• 11:55Speaker 04

  Did you read that?

• 11:55Robert Evans?

  Like he, uh, Steven, I haven't read all of them. No, of course not. I have been reading bits and pieces of Valiant Thor lore since I was like 18, 17 or 18. "On March 16th, 1957, a strange craft landed in a farmer's field in Alexandria, Virginia. Local police arrived on scene with guns drawn, expecting the worst. They were surprised to find what appeared to be a dapper unarmed man stepping out of the craft. They were even more surprised when the man telepathically asked to speak with the president. Over the next few days, the visitor would meet with President Eisenhower, deep within the Pentagon. According to Valiant Thor, he was sent here by the Galactic Council to convince humanity to shy away from their use of nuclear weapons. Thor and his co-pilots, Indrid Cold, Carlo Ardo, and Terry Rist, which has in parentheses, Demo Hassan?

• 12:41Robert Evans?

  I haven't looked into all of these names, but neither of those are real. Claimed they hailed from the planet Venus. These Venusians were humanoid in appearance and were photographed at Gray Barker's UFO convention at Howard Mangers Farm in 1958." So actually before the sixties, this is birth of the UFO. Forty-seven is Roswell, right? And things take some time to spin up. This is the absolute like proto-history of American conspiracism. Right? Like, we are, we are at the, at the foundations here. Thor convinced President Eisenhower could be create a council against the use of nuclear weapons. However, the committee was repeatedly blocked by members of the CIA and DOD. Thor decided to switch gears and enlist the help of Barker in making contacts with humans in all spheres of life.

• 13:23Robert Evans?

  By building relationships with certain influential people and promoting those relationships through Barker and other publishers, Thor was finally able to put a stop to want a nuclear testing. So if you're ever wondering, why did we stop nuking Nevada? Which, uh, the Heritage Foundation wants to start doing again. It was Valiant Thor and I, we might, he might come back, Molly. We might get this guy back to save us.

• 13:42Speaker 04

  I, we need, we need him back. Based on what I know so far, we need him back.

• 13:46Speaker 01

  One note on the spelling, just because you can easily get to, uh, a, uh, like southern heavy metal band from North Carolina.

• 13:55Robert Evans?

  Who is named after the guy. Yeah.

• 13:57Speaker 04

  Um, did you listen to any of their songs? Are they good?

• 14:01Robert Evans?

  Uh, no, absolutely not.

• 14:03Speaker 04

  But it's, uh, Valiant with an A and Thor, one R.

• 14:08Robert Evans?

  Yeah, it's like Prince Valiant, the old cartoon that none of us remember. So unless Prince Valiant was spelled differently, it's been a long time since I saw one of those cartoons. Now, if you're saying, Molly, this sounds great, Robert. Obviously, I want to believe that Valiant Thor saved the world from nuclear weapons. But hey, isn't this exactly the plot of the 1950s movie, The Day the Earth Stood Still?

• 14:31Speaker 04

  I wasn't asking that.

• 14:32Robert Evans?

  Oh, well, there's a movie that my dad made me see called The Day the Earth Stood Still. That's about an alien landing in DC and telling everyone, hey, I represent the Galactic Council, basically. And you guys really need to stop it with the fucking nukes.

• 14:46Speaker 04

  And the movie came out before this?

• 14:49Robert Evans?

  Well, you know what? Let's, uh, let's look into that. Let's look into that, Molly.

• 14:53Speaker 04

  So like, could he have seen this movie perhaps?

• 14:55Robert Evans?

  Yeah, I, that, that was my immediate assumption, 1951. Yes, absolutely. 1951, almost, almost a decade before this. Yes.

• 15:04Speaker 04

  So like, while he was on his way here, he sort of beamed that idea down so that we would be prepared for it.

• 15:09Robert Evans?

  Absolutely did.

• 15:10Speaker 04

  He's not copying the movie. The movie's predicted programming.

• 15:12Robert Evans?

  No, the movie is, the movie was preparing us for the arrival of Valiant Thor.

• 15:16Speaker 04

  So we would understand.

• 15:17Robert Evans?

  So that obviously the most influential man in the United States in the 1950s, Gray Barker, uh, who held the UFO convention in Howard Mangers Farm would be ready, would be mentally ready for Valiant Thor. Now, if you're someone who is still like, I don't know, feels like they just copied a movie, would it change your opinion on Valiant Thor to know that Paul Helyer, who is a Canadian entrepreneur, politician, writer, the longest-serving member of the Privy Council of Canada, and the former national, Minister of National Defense for Canada, says that he's real?

• 15:52Speaker 04

  Well, I, so admittedly, the UFO scene is not my wheelhouse. I butt up against it every now and again, but it is there. There are some guys in the UFO movement who used to have jobs that you would think would make them immune from becoming insane.

• 16:07Robert Evans?

  Yeah, you think that, yep, yep.

• 16:11Speaker 04

  Sometimes it's like, oh, this guy used to work at the Pentagon. He must know, oh, no, no, no, no, he's speaking at UFO conventions.

• 16:16Robert Evans?

  Yeah. We're all seeing the kind of guys getting hired to work at the Pentagon now. I'm hoping that maybe there's like, gonna be less of that. Yeah.

• 16:26Speaker 04

  So no, no, no, knowing that he was in the Privy Council doesn't do anything for me because I do not know what that is and I refuse to find out.

• 16:32Robert Evans?

  Yeah, no, uh, so it's one of the, this guy who is a kook and had some positions in Canada, uh, did a Reddit AMA, uh, and was asked why, you know, because he talked a lot, he really wanted to talk about the-

• 16:46Speaker 04

  The forum for serious topics.

• 16:46Robert Evans?

  Yeah, yeah. And his whole thing was, I want to talk about the aliens that are definitely here. Uh, and he was asked by one of the people on the AMA, "Why have these species publicly announced their existence? Is it a galactic rule to avoid broad contact with an alien species until they reach a certain point of technological advancement on their own in order to preserve their own culture? Are we being quarantined because we are too violent? Are the human governments withholding their existence on their own for their own motives? If so, what would their motives be?" And by the way, that series of questions is in order, uh, Star Trek, I forget the, actually, there's a separate sci-fi thing that is the whole quarantined thing, and then that's just the X-Files.

• 17:22Speaker 04

  I was gonna say, do the Venusians have a prime directive?

• 17:24Robert Evans?

  I forget which one. Yeah, it's a, it's a prime directive. I, I remember reading a short story. Several of them that have the quarantine thing as the theme, but I forget the exact names. And then obviously X-Files is the last thing. So Paul answers, "Some have," as in some aliens have contacted us. "Valiant Thor, the benevolent Venusian with an IQ of 1,200, lived in the Pentagon for three or four years, offered us earthlings a richer, healthier life in exchange for giving up our nuclear weapons. His offer was not accepted."

• 17:53Robert Evans?

  I mean, I guess you can live inside the Pentagon. They do have a Taco Bell. They got a Taco Bell. That's all you need if you're a Venusian. Although, according to the book we're about to read, no Venusian would ever eat at Taco Bell. Oh, their bodies are temples. Only raw food, Molly, only raw food. Now, speaking of our bodies being a temple, my body is a temple that worships these products.

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• 19:18Robert Evans?

  Ah, God, we're back. We're so back. So back. Molly, we've never been this back. So I think it's at this point that I gotta show you the copy of the book that I found, or that my friend found in the Airbnb that they went into. And- Look at this.

• 19:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:36Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 19:36Robert Evans?

  You look at this beauty. Look at this gorgeous thing.

• 19:39Speaker 01

  It looks like Carol Baskin's.

• 19:41Robert Evans?

  Uh, well, actually, there isn't. You know what? That's it's insane that you say that because the front and back cover art is by Carol Ann Rodriguez. It's just weird that carols and carols. That's the word I'm looking at when you say that.

• 19:53Speaker 04

  I mean, she looks like, she looks like she comes in peace, right? She's got flowers in her hair. There's a rainbow.

• 19:58Robert Evans?

  Being abducted. She's, she's looking good in that dress.

• 20:02Speaker 04

  Oh, the, the rainbow is the abduction tractor beam.

• 20:04Robert Evans?

  Yeah, it looks like the rainbow is the tractor beam, Molly. Yeah.

• 20:07Speaker 04

  But that's fun.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  I like my version.

• 20:13Robert Evans?

  So this is all great stuff. Uh, this book is by Michael X Barton. We're going to talk about Michael in a second, but first I gotta talk about the guy who wrote the special introduction. Because him, he, his name is Timothy Green Beckley. Timothy Green Beckley ran a publishing house called Inner Light Publications. That's two words like the Star Trek episode that might be one of the best science fiction pieces ever made. Um, that's the one with Picard's flute. Anyway, um, this has nothing to do with that. It also has nothing to do with Inner Light Publications, which is a black owned publishing company in Georgia. Uh, that deals with much more serious works than Timothy Green Beckley. Uh, one of whose books is MJ 12 and the Riddle of Hangar 18.

• 20:56Robert Evans?

  And of course, we're going to look at Timothy, Timothy Beckley, you know, we, we, could we not? Could I not show you a picture of this man?

• 21:04Speaker 04

  Show me the man.

• 21:05Robert Evans?

  That would be illegal. I would, I would go, I would go to podcasters prison. Uh, which is just Spotify.

• 21:14Robert Evans?

  Look, look at this guy. Look at him.

• 21:15Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm getting.

• 21:16Robert Evans?

  What a beautiful animal. Look at him.

• 21:19Speaker 04

  I'm getting like Jim Jones. I'm getting.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  Like Andre the Giant's nose a little bit?

• 21:26Robert Evans?

  He does have a little bit of, if you told me he was like Andre the Giant's cousin, I'd be like, oh shit. Yeah, I can kind of see it. Yeah.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  Andre the not so giant.

• 21:36Robert Evans?

  Andre the like.

• 21:37Speaker 04

  Chill guy that I wouldn't want to be alone with.

• 21:41Robert Evans?

  You wouldn't want to be alone. That said, I've never heard anything bad about this guy, but you wouldn't want to be alone with anybody who's too into the UFO movement. Now, Trey, you especially wouldn't want to be alone with him because he is now dead. He passed away at 73 in 2021.

• 21:56Robert Evans?

  Yeah, his, uh, what you may call it, obituary says, he was the sole remaining Beckley of the family. He was famously known as Mr. UFO and Mr. Creepo. So you might, you might not want to have been alone with this guy when he was alive. That's not a great nickname.

• 22:13Speaker 04

  It must have been a term of endearment because why?

• 22:16Robert Evans?

  It's, it's written that way.

• 22:18Speaker 04

  Why'd they put that in his obituary?

• 22:20Robert Evans?

  I think it was a different age, a pioneer in his field of ufology, the paranormal and all things bizarre. He was a publisher, author, editor, producer with Inner Light Publications, publishing over 200 books. Previously, the editor of UFO Universe versus Magazine and a film reviewer for Hustler Magazine. He ran the New York School of Occult Arts and Sciences and worked promotions for the School of Rock and Roll. He was a podcast host on KCOR radios, exploring the bizarre with Tim Schwartz. Um, oh yeah, he was on Coast to Coast FM.

• 22:50Speaker 04

  Oh, obviously.

• 22:51Robert Evans?

  He was on What with William Shatner, you know, a fixture of the New York City nightlife? That's a thing that can be in a lot of things, given this man's age. In what era?

• 23:02Speaker 04

  In what era?

• 23:03Robert Evans?

  In what way?

• 23:06Robert Evans?

  But he's a, what I love about this guy, as much, as much, as much as we're laughing about this, this is an extinct kind of guy, right? Like, and in the same way that like the Tasmanian tiger is extinct, where like, I want to believe there's still some of them out there, but I just haven't seen the evidence yet. And it, it is tragic. So, uh, some other luminary, and so he is the publisher. And as, as a spoiler, the actual author of this book, Michael X. Barton, is a guy who was writing stuff for the UFO scene in the 60s. He was a, an LA businessman whose life suddenly changed while his best friend became seriously ill. While praying, Michael found he was able to receive telepathic communications

• 23:49Robert Evans?

  from more advanced souls purported to be living on a higher, more evolved vibrational plane of planet Venus, which cannot be detected through scientific methods.

• 23:59Speaker 04

  Unfortunately, it can't be detected.

• 24:01Robert Evans?

  That's right.

• 24:01Speaker 04

  You can't prove it.

• 24:03Robert Evans?

  And Barton dropped off the face of the earth at some point. Uh, Beckley claims that he kinda was able to get in touch with him and he was like, not doing well. So maybe all of this stuff doesn't actually work in the long run.

• 24:13Speaker 04

  Or he ascended to that plane and that's why you can't find him.

• 24:16Robert Evans?

  Maybe he ascended, but in any case, Michael is just, or Beckley just republished his books. Uh, in the more recent period of time before he died because like, fuck it, I guess. Um, and I think that's funny. I, before we get into this book, I want to look at some other luminaries that Inner Light Publications, uh, have published. These are like, so obviously number one is Timothy Green Beckley with 15 books. Commander X with 12 books.

• 24:42Speaker 04

  Commander X.

• 24:42Robert Evans?

  Yeah. Commander X has written 12 books for them. Ashtar Command, two books. Hercules Invictus, just one, just one book there. Admiral Richard Byrd, one book. Uh, let's see here. Dragon Star, Ramachakra Master Yogi, one book. Another book that's the Ashtar Command, which might be different from Ashtar Command.

• 25:05Speaker 04

  Is that a collective?

• 25:06Robert Evans?

  Unclear to me at this moment, Molly. But there's some great names in these guys. There's some great names here. And before we get into this book, I guess the last thing we should do, cause I forgot to do this earlier. I want to go back to the, the Airbnb that my friends stayed in, which belongs to a guy who identifies himself and is a public figure with a YouTube channel as Paul of Venus. And we're just gonna look at his website for a second. Are you down to look at?

• 25:32Speaker 01

  I've never been more excited.

• 25:34Robert Evans?

  Are you down to look at this? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Venus on Earth, course is an embodiment. Where does love come from?

• 25:42Speaker 04

  Beautiful color scheme.

• 25:43Robert Evans?

  Ascension Galactic, embodiment, oneness, venusian technology.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  Pastel.

• 25:49Robert Evans?

  Personal coaching transmissions. Younger than I thought. Greetings to all. I am Paul of Venus and Ascension Guide from the sixth dimension on Venus.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  Can you zoom in on that photo, please?

• 25:59Robert Evans?

  I can't.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  You can if you know how to zoom in.

• 26:02Robert Evans?

  I can't enhance, so yeah, I can't enhance.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  Command plus.

• 26:06Robert Evans?

  Okay, goddammit. I don't have command. Let's see if... Control? Yeah. There, fine. You happy? You happy?

• 26:15Speaker 01

  I...

• 26:16Robert Evans?

  We're zooming in on his picture. For you listening, it just looks like a guy in his like twenties or thirties.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  I was just trying to figure out if he was like holding a staff.

• 26:24Robert Evans?

  One of those hats with like little wings.

• 26:26Speaker 04

  He's on a mountain.

• 26:27Robert Evans?

  Yeah, he's walking around the Mount Shasta area. That's what it looks like.

• 26:30Speaker 04

  I like that he's left in the lens flare, because it makes him look...

• 26:32Robert Evans?

  He's left in the lens flare. He just looks like a guy. There's nothing, nothing wrong with the way he looks. What I really want to get into is reading his introduction of himself.

• 26:39Speaker 04

  I thought he would be old.

• 26:41Robert Evans?

  I did too. I thought, because this is, this is old, like this book, again, is from the sixties, and it's based in like Valiant Thor stuff, which starts in the fifties. Timothy Green Beckley is like an older figure in ufology and conspiracy culture. Like, these guys are contemporaries, and honestly, in some cases, like predecessors of like, fucking the people who came before Alex Jones. You know, this is not like new stuff. But Paula Venus does appear to be fairly young. "I am Paula Venus, an ascension guide from the sixth dimension on Venus, a paradisical planet. I am delighted to introduce you to a remarkable opportunity to expand your understanding of energy, ascended masters, human embodiment, and ascension." So that's good, you know? Maybe check him out if you want to ascend.

• 27:24Speaker 04

  I do want to harness the energy of a sacred location for holographic healing. I do.

• 27:28Robert Evans?

  You're always saying that, and look, I know because I'm into ufology that there are mushroom aliens living at the center of Mount Shasta. So go find them, folks. Go hike up. Right now is a great time of the year. Just whatever your street clothes are, don't bring extra food, don't bring zero-degree sleeping bags, no, don't bring any methods of contacting the outside world. Just start walking up that mountain. The aliens will take care of it. You'll be fine.

• 27:53Speaker 04

  Harness the light.

• 27:54Robert Evans?

  Harness the light. Two Bigfoot hunters died about an hour north of me like a week and a half ago.

• 28:02Speaker 04

  We were obviously on the wrong vibrational plane.

• 28:04Robert Evans?

  They were on the wrong plane. That's exactly what this book would argue. So Molly, this book, Venusian Health Magic and Venusian Secret Science, is a beautiful work of art. There are so many lines in this book that just make my heart sing. And before we get into reading it, I'm just going to read you a blind quote that I found in there.

• 28:26Robert Evans?

  "Can you get a leave of absence for three months?" I asked him. "It will take about that long for us to carry out certain experiments I have in mind for contacting Venusians."

• 28:36Speaker 04

  I think you can get FMLA for that.

• 28:38Robert Evans?

  Yeah, that makes sense to me. Yeah. Medicaid probably would help too with the Venusians. You've got to call their Venus desk, but there's not a lot of, not a lot of phone traffic ahead of you there. Okay, so let's, let's get into it. I'm opening this, this beautiful book, and it starts with the introduction by Timothy Beckley, Timothy Green Beckley. And he's just talking about his friend Michael X, how they, he was a mystic who showed up and gave talks, you know, starting in the 50s and 60s at places like Joshua Tree with Giant Rock, where they would do these like massive early UFO things. "Michael hailed the arrival of the Space Brotherhood, whom he believed were materializing

• 29:22Robert Evans?

  here to offer assistance in any way possible to elevate our consciousness to a more harmonious one. Their goal, allowing us to join the Cosmic League of Nations, a federation of spiritually advanced worlds who exist all around us in this or in other dimensions, whether we believe it or not." And I would say these people are like totally just like copying Star Trek, but to be honest, knowing Gene Roddenberry, he was copying some of these people. I don't know if he's copying this guy, but Gene was into this stuff, you know, like some of this is, it's very murky because like Star Trek, it's going in the 60s and they definitely both bleed into each other. But I have to say, there is a degree to which Roddenberry is getting, pulling some of his ideas from the early UFO subculture.

• 30:07Speaker 04

  I was gonna say, they may have both drawn from the same original source that we just...

• 30:10Robert Evans?

  Yeah. Gene Roddenberry, there's a very good chance that he was having very strange sex at the same events where fucking the author of this book was speaking. Because that was kind of Gene Roddenberry's thing.

• 30:22Speaker 04

  Are you saying Riker is sort of a self-insert?

• 30:24Robert Evans?

  Riker was always a self-insert. What man wouldn't want to be Riker?

• 30:31Robert Evans?

  You get to sit down however you want, you know?

• 30:34Speaker 04

  Just sitting so cool.

• 30:35Robert Evans?

  You know, Anbo Jitsu, which is like Jiu Jitsu, but you all dress like the guys from American Gladiators?

• 30:43Speaker 04

  I'm just so into fucking any kind of alien.

• 30:46Robert Evans?

  Absolutely, absolutely.

• 30:48Speaker 04

  It just didn't even matter to him if they didn't even have gender.

• 30:50Robert Evans?

  He didn't care at all. He was a 24th century man, you know?

• 30:53Speaker 04

  He fucked those non-binary aliens before anyone was even talking about that.

• 30:56Robert Evans?

  He introduced the concept of gender to their species.

• 31:02Robert Evans?

  Oh, Riker. So, when I said earlier, I saw a picture in here and I instantly knew like, oh shit, this is like something Jordan Peele saw when he was younger, that very much influenced the film Nope, which is a movie about both like horseback riding and black cowboys, but also about space aliens and cryptids in the sky. There's a line in here, "While the talks by Michael X and others were going on, it was not unusual for a UFO to be spotted at the Giant Rock Convention." And then?

• 31:34Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 31:36Robert Evans?

  Yeah, so this is a kind of cloud, and it's a kind of cloud that all these UFO guys think is a UFO cloaking itself. And they would show up above, you would get clouds like this in the desert. They would show up above, you know, these gatherings at Giant Rock, and all of these people who were very much ready to see aliens would have the best day of their lives.

• 31:56Robert Evans?

  And years later, we got a pretty good Jordan Peele movie out of it.

• 32:00Robert Evans?

  So anyway.

• 32:01Speaker 04

  I mean, maybe Jordan Peele didn't see that picture. Maybe he had it beamed into his mind by the Venusian Ascended Masters. I don't think you're considering all the possibilities here.

• 32:10Robert Evans?

  There's a lot of different possibilities here.

• 32:15Robert Evans?

  So, let's get back into this. There's a section of this introduction by Beckley, "Words of universal knowledge and enlightenment." And he's talking about all of the years of letters and calls that he got by Michael X and his teachings. "The below communication is representative of the type of mail that crossed my desk." And this is a letter from someone else about Michael X. "In about 1965, I had the privilege to listen to Michael X Barton give a lecture at the St. Antonio Street College of Meta- Physics inquiry.

• 32:41Speaker 04

  The what?

• 32:41Robert Evans?

  Michael was a very small man and was well dressed. After the lecture, I asked in private what the X meant in his name. He said it was in respect to Christ. Later on, I had the pleasure of meeting Dr. Wallace Halsey's beautiful wife by the name of Tarna Halsey. JW, my guru and teacher, once told me that Wallace and his wife were at the Giant Rock UFO Convention, and Wallace was talking and walking around with a spaceman who looked the person, who I think looked like a person is what it's supposed to be. Tarna came up and told them that she was going to take a picture of them both together. The space person told Tarna that if she took a picture of them, that his image wouldn't show on the print. This was due to the fact that they had been talking about very high vibrational thoughts, and his picture wouldn't show up. Tarna then said, I have a very good camera, and I'll be able to get your picture.

• 33:24Robert Evans?

  She took the picture, and the space person couldn't be seen. He then tried to tell her that he had told, that he had told her what had happened. Later on, Tarna came back to her husband, and the space person told her, Tarna, that she could take their picture, and he would be able to be seen on the picture. She then took another picture, and the space person came out on the picture, because they had been talking about normal things.

• 33:44Speaker 04

  He was changing his vibrations, obviously.

• 33:46Robert Evans?

  Yes, yes. I later had an interview with Tarna, and she said she had demonstrated to a friend that she could become invisible to a camera. She was able to do this with her friend. She, in a previous life, was from Venus. She later became the wife of The Crusher, who was a retired wrestler.

• 34:04Speaker 04

  You're saying a lot of things I'm not processing.

• 34:07Robert Evans?

  Every single sentence in this movie is like that.

• 34:10Speaker 04

  Wow. Can we go back to the, the street college of metaphysics? Is this just guys outside?

• 34:16Robert Evans?

  It's gotta just be guys outside, talking about UFOs.

• 34:21Speaker 04

  Like the guy that yells at you on the street corner outside CBS. He's actually, that's actually a street college of metaphysics.

• 34:26Robert Evans?

  I got a PhD in street college. I've heard a lot of people shout a lot of things in the street.

• 34:34Speaker 04

  That's accessible higher education. Mm-hmm.

• 34:37Robert Evans?

  I'm gonna throw that on my CV next to judge. PhD at the street college. I have heard a lot of crazy people in San Antonio shouting things, actually. Oh, man. Yeah, the world used to be so much more fun. But also not.

• 34:54Speaker 04

  Like, was she using a Polaroid? Or were these revelations that had to wait till she got back from Walgreens?

• 34:59Robert Evans?

  You know, what I'm gonna say is, folks, you know, we're entering a new era. The security state has amped up. Make sure if you're gonna be out there, you know, doing legally questionable stuff, that you're talking at too high a vibration for photos to capture you, you know? That seems like good opsec, right?

• 35:14Speaker 04

  I need to ascend to the point that I cannot be recorded by a surveillance camera.

• 35:19Robert Evans?

  That's right. That's why all of those January 6th videos are so blurry.

• 35:27Robert Evans?

  Oh, shit, okay. So now we're at the author's forward, right? This is finally Michael X, "See Your of a New Age" in his original writing. "Our space brothers, Venusians, tell us that no one on Earth need be sick or racked with pain or filled with hopeless despair if the amazing health principles they have unselfishly brought to us are practiced. The health magic of the planetary teachers is intended for all of us Earthlings who have a burning desire to leave poor health behind us forever and go on to wonderful joys and activities that come only to the healthy. Due to the fact that the Venusians are much further advanced in their understanding of man than we are, they have learned all about the electric power that makes the human body function as it does. They discovered that radiant health and vitality could be stepped up

• 36:10Robert Evans?

  by the simple means of increasing one's intake of life energy. Life and energy are both capitalized through a positive diet of highly vitalized foods and by a conscious direction of what they call life trons."

• 36:24Speaker 04

  Life trons?

• 36:25Robert Evans?

  Life trons, Molly. Life trons.

• 36:28Speaker 04

  So are they selling vitamins?

• 36:31Robert Evans?

  No, no, I don't think they believe in vitamins at this point. They believe in like vitamins as a thing, but I think they believe in vitamins as a thing that you only get through fresh fruit.

• 36:39Speaker 04

  So the the Venusian health magic isn't something they're selling you. This is just, you can just vibrate towards it.

• 36:45Robert Evans?

  They're selling books about it, but the key is eating only uncooked, fresh, organic fruit.

• 36:51Speaker 04

  Oh, that's gonna give you a tummy ache.

• 36:53Robert Evans?

  That's gonna give you a tummy ache.

• 36:54Speaker 04

  That's gonna give you a tummy ache. That's just the life trons working.

• 36:58Robert Evans?

  I think you're allowed to have vegetables, too. Now, look, first off, folks, we're gonna have a lot of fun with this in part one and part two. This is not relevant to BTB because these people are bastards, and I include our friend Paul from earlier in that. I don't think these are bad people generally. This is a BTB because UFO culture, which they created, well, not Paul, he's kind of a later descendant, but the guy we're reading from helped create it. Spent decades as this like pleasant and generally quirky background part of American life until it all got swallowed up by QAnon. It has at this point been essentially exterminated as an independent subculture, and we need a term for that. Obviously, this is not like on the genocide spectrum, but this is like, weirdly enough, the destruction of a culture that did exist, that was like a thing

• 37:43Robert Evans?

  that influenced American life that is gone. Uh, and that's, I don't know, like, how we, like, there's not like a term for for that, really, for like the way in which, particularly because it didn't just like, people didn't just like, stop being interested in it. It was like consumed by this other darker thing who used its raw material in order to like grow and spread. I don't know what we call that yet. Anyway, that's my one serious point for the day. Let's all think of a good word.

• 38:17Speaker 04

  I mean, UFO subculture has gone some some bad directions, and I guess

• 38:21Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 38:22Speaker 04

  in terms of conspiracy theory culture in general, the best predictor for

• 38:28Speaker 04

  Believing in any conspiracy theory is a pre-existing belief in any other conspiracy theory?

• 38:33Robert Evans?

  Yes.

• 38:34Speaker 04

  So it's contagious, it sort of snowballs, right? If you have this harmless belief in Venusian life magic, that opens you up to this belief that the government is suppressing this. Why is the government suppressing this? And you snowball into these ideas that end in, like, satanic panic-style stuff.

• 38:51Robert Evans?

  Yeah, yeah. And, yeah, that's a good way of putting it. And speaking of things that are contagious, whatever's making me cough, but you know what? I'm alone in my basement, so fuck you. Here's ads.

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• 40:06Robert Evans?

  We're back. Ah, Molly.

• 40:13Speaker 04

  Did you get some Life Trons during the break?

• 40:15Robert Evans?

  You know, let's talk about Life Trons, Molly. Let's chat a little bit about Life Trons, because when I heard the word "Life Tron", number one, I was so happy.

• 40:23Speaker 04

  I love it.

• 40:24Robert Evans?

  This is exactly why I dig into stuff like this. I was like, oh, yeah, that, nom, nom, nom, nom, that's the good stuff. That's that healthy, healthy shit. But I also naturally assumed that Michael X created that term. It just felt like so idiosyncratic, right? That this came with this book? Absolutely not. And I want to read a quote from the Yogapedia now, which, as far as I'm aware, is a completely reliable source on this sort of thing.

• 40:52Robert Evans?

  Life trons is an English word coined by 20th century guru and yogi para Paramhasa Yogananda to describe the vital life force known by the Sanskrit name prana. He described life trons as intelligent life energy in the body. According to Yogananda, the building blocks of life, atoms, come from electrons and protons, which themselves are created from life trons. Life trons come from thought trons of the infinite. Imbalances in the life trons lead to physical, spiritual, and emotional illness. For healing, Yogananda said, the yogi invokes God's help to correct the imbalances.

• 41:32Speaker 04

  Wait, so...

• 41:33Robert Evans?

  That sounds good to me.

• 41:35Speaker 04

  So the... So a life tron is a subcomponent of atomic particles? So like a life tron is like a quark?

• 41:42Robert Evans?

  I think a life tron is a kind of quark. That's a... Look, I'm not great at this kind of stuff, but that's how I would interpret that.

• 41:48Speaker 04

  Is a life tron made of thought trons? Or does it descend from them in some way?

• 41:52Robert Evans?

  I think they come from thought trons of the infinite. So the infinite has thought trons which produce life trons, which are the building blocks of...

• 42:01Speaker 04

  The thought trons produce them or they conglomerate to form them?

• 42:03Robert Evans?

  Electrons and protons?

• 42:05Speaker 04

  But not neutrons? What are neutrons made of?

• 42:07Robert Evans?

  Neutrons are not discussed.

• 42:10Speaker 04

  Not discussed, not made of...

• 42:11Robert Evans?

  That may not be a part of yogic science.

• 42:12Speaker 04

  They do not descend from the thought trons.

• 42:15Robert Evans?

  As far as I can tell. Okay, I gotta say, Paramhasa Yogananda is a guy. Uh, he is a dude, uh, was a dude. He is super dead. And oh, he died in 1952. Yeah, he's dead as hell. This man was born in 1893.

• 42:32Speaker 04

  So maybe his understanding of atomic physics is like not good.

• 42:35Robert Evans?

  Oh, this is the autobiography of a yogi guy. Yeah, no, this guy, this is the dude, Steve Jobs was obsessed with his book, right? This is, it was one of Elvis Presley's favorite books. This is the guy who like started the US yoga craze in a lot of major ways.

• 42:47Speaker 04

  So do you think Steve Jobs knows about thought trons?

• 42:50Robert Evans?

  Yes, Steve Jobs had strong opinions about thought trons. Uh, Steve Jobs was a life tron guy. If you had brought up life trons...

• 42:56Speaker 04

  Didn't he die from only eating fruit?

• 42:57Robert Evans?

  He sure did, Molly. That this is, that we have, Steve Jobs read the book in our hands.

• 43:05Robert Evans?

  There's no way, when he got cancer, Steve didn't think, "Thank God, I know about Venusian medical science."

• 43:11Speaker 04

  Venusian health magic, yeah, he ascended.

• 43:13Robert Evans?

  The Venusians killed Steve Jobs.

• 43:18Robert Evans?

  This is solid argument that Valiant Thor and Michael X Barton murdered Steve Jobs.

• 43:29Robert Evans?

  Wow. See, this is a really relevant Behind the Bastards episodes. We are getting very behind some of these bastards.

• 43:35Speaker 04

  We're making discoveries. We're doing archaeology.

• 43:40Robert Evans?

  So I should also note that when I looked up Life Trons, I also found a link to a company called Life Tronic Systems. They do auto energy efficient home automation. It does not appear to have anything to do with anything.

• 43:52Speaker 04

  They're safe. They're safe.

• 43:54Robert Evans?

  I'm not going to say they're safe because that whole industry is full of fucking untrustworthy companies. I'm not saying they are in any legally actionable way.

• 44:00Speaker 04

  I've seen Smart House.

• 44:01Robert Evans?

  I am saying picture, get a different name, guys. Get a different name. You're stealing from the yogi who got Steve Jobs killed indirectly. Although actually I support that. Keep using the name.

• 44:14Robert Evans?

  Convince, can we convince Bezos to eat only fruit when he gets sick?

• 44:20Speaker 04

  That picture of him with the cooked iguana is the only thing I like. If I think about Jeff Bezos eating anything, I just think about Jeff Bezos holding that cooked iguana.

• 44:28Robert Evans?

  Look, I'd eat a cooked iguana. They're tasty.

• 44:30Speaker 04

  It's a terrifying photograph.

• 44:32Robert Evans?

  People need to eat more reptile meat. It's delicious. And there's lots of iguanas in Florida.

• 44:37Robert Evans?

  When a good body part breaks, part one.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  Oh, it is terrifying. I Googled it. I don't like it.

• 44:46Robert Evans?

  I'm gonna come out with my own book saying that like, fucking, what's a good planet? Mercury. The Mercurians contacted me psychically through my Bluetooth headset. And convinced me that the real way to end aging is iguana meat, right? Have you ever seen an old iguana? No, because they don't age. You eat their meat, you're immortal. Boom.

• 45:10Speaker 04

  I'm speaking to the Neptunians through my feelings right now, and they disagree.

• 45:14Robert Evans?

  Well, Neptunian, Neptunian medical science is decades behind the Mercurians, Molly. Everyone knows that.

• 45:23Robert Evans?

  The best way I know of to relay to you the life-giving health secrets of the Venusians, so that you will be able to apply them most effectively in your own life, is by telling you of a certain remarkable experience. Jim Lindy, a good friend of mine, who I have known through many years, was the nucleus around which this most unusual experience revolved. It was through my knowing Jim, and wholeheartedly responding to his sincere and desperate call for help, that I was plunged into a tremendous new-age adventure with the space people of Venus. Capitalize every word of that sentence, Molly.

• 45:54Speaker 04

  And now that we know that, like, he's known Jim for a long time, we're prepared to accept this.

• 45:58Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 45:59Speaker 04

  Valuable preamble.

• 46:00Robert Evans?

  Yeah. He knew Jim since 53, when they were to, when they formed the Interplanetary Contact Group in Washington State, which is absolutely a real thing. I actually looked this organization up, because our author worked with Jim in Washington for a while. They have a lot of people working together to try to make interplanetary contact, you know, kind of on an ad hoc basis. And then our author moves down to California to, you have to read between the lines here, but he seems to live on a farm with one or more women who provide his food for him.

• 46:33Speaker 04

  How many more?

• 46:34Robert Evans?

  Unclear. Molly, unclear. He only mentions the one.

• 46:37Speaker 04

  The number of women is actually really important to me.

• 46:38Robert Evans?

  Maybe just, maybe just one. Unclear. I will say, I don't know how to rate this, because he talks about the woman who is specifically preparing his food, that he doesn't talk about like a wife, but does talk about with a degree of intimacy, and he lets us know that she's old but doesn't look it, which is better than the reverse, which would be she's very young but old in her spirit, right? Which is what I am, whenever I am reading the account of a guy who lives in the woods and talks about UFOs, I'm waiting for the 15-year-old girl, right? Because every one of them, she, I've had this happen to me in real life once, in, in Mount Shasta, actually, where I'm sure this guy lived, where a lot of these people live. I'm like hanging out, my, my partner at the time, and I are just

• 47:22Robert Evans?

  like wandering through a fucking farmer's market, and we, yeah, we meet this, this guy who takes us back to his farmhouse, you know, we're bullshitting and stuff. He's got a whole wall of Bud K swords, and then this fucking like 16, 17, very unclear. No one says, he doesn't like she and he won't say her age. I don't really know what was going on to this day.

• 47:41Speaker 04

  Is it his daughter?

• 47:42Robert Evans?

  We fucking booked it. I don't know.

• 47:45Speaker 04

  Jesus, Robert, don't follow people to their houses.

• 47:49Robert Evans?

  I was very young and very dumb at this point. This is, you have to, you have to learn these things by doing them.

• 47:55Speaker 04

  No, you don't. Don't follow that advice.

• 47:58Robert Evans?

  Well, yeah, don't, don't actually follow absolutely none of my life advice, kids.

• 48:02Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 48:03Robert Evans?

  Yeah, that's the best life advice I can give you. So in fact, follow all of my life advice.

• 48:08Speaker 04

  Now we're, now we're stuck in a quandary.

• 48:09Robert Evans?

  Now we're stuck in a quandary. So I looked into this because I was like, oh shit, I wonder if this, this organization's still around. The Interplanetary Contact Group seems like the kind of thing where there might still be like one elderly man like keeping a mailing list going after all of his friends died. No, but I did find out about something called the Interplanetary Networking Special Interest Group, IPNSIG. It is a US 5013C nonprofit organization affiliated with the Internet Society that is trying to figure out how to make an interplanetary internet. With the idea that like at some point in the future, we'll need that. I, I think it might actually be just like serious nerds trying to think through something that might one day be a thing.

• 48:52Robert Evans?

  I, I'm not bullish on human survival in space at this point, but okay.

• 48:56Speaker 04

  If I ever get sent to a work camp on the moon, I'm gonna need wifi, so I'm glad they're, I'm glad they're working on it.

• 49:01Robert Evans?

  Without Netflix, that, that moon, that moon colony is not lasting long. Look, anyway, back to, uh, when a good body breaks. So he bounces, he's away from his friend Jim for a while, but he keeps in touch. They show up at the same conferences and then he stops seeing Jim so much, right? He's not really hanging around.

• 49:22Robert Evans?

  Now, he, he does note of his friend, Jim Lindy was by nature, a spiritually progressive individual, open-minded to the nth degree, yet by no manner of means could he be considered in the least gullible. He had seen several UFOs himself in the night skies that had been filled with awe and wonderment at the site.

• 49:39Speaker 04

  Which would never happen to a gullible man.

• 49:40Robert Evans?

  A gullible man would never feel wonder at the sight of a UFO. Mal, that's obscene. How dare you suggest such a thing? What would Will Riker say?

• 49:51Robert Evans?

  He'd be too busy trying to figure out how to sit down backwards in my complicated chair. On one occasion, a brilliant glowing object of huge proportions was sighted in the sky near the vicinity of his own home. It circled the area twice and then with amazing acceleration, the bright object climbed straight upwards several thousand feet and headed in the direction of the horizon at unbelievable speed. Jim was so profoundly impressed by what he had been permitted to witness, no saucer sighting happens by accident, that he determined to do all within his power to find out more about the unique and marvelously intelligent beings who make their home on worlds far distant from this earth. So.

• 50:24Speaker 04

  He was obviously chosen to experience.

• 50:26Robert Evans?

  He's obviously chosen. So 1955, Jim's letters take a negative turn. He starts to seem depressed and then one day, our boy, the author, gets a telegram, because this is the mid 50s and that was a thing that people got. Arriving at Los Angeles Airport tonight, 600, stop. Can you meet me? Stop. Urgently important matter. Stop. Jim Lindy. I just find that nice. So I guess he's living outside of LA. I'm guessing somewhere near like, I'm guessing Calabasas or like Santa Monica, the coast, maybe the Palau, actually probably any of the places that have burned down aside from Altadena, good chance is where this guy was living. Like almost certainly.

• 51:08Robert Evans?

  So he drives to the airport, he picks his friend up and his friend looks like shit, right? And his friend's like, look, man, I'm a physical wreck. My health's been on a downhill toboggan slide. I'm losing hope. You know, I've been to all the doctors, my stomach's acting up. No one can do anything. I'm burning all of my money on these medical treatments that don't do anything. And, you know, it's, it's, it's bad, right? Like I'm fucked up and I think I'm dying.

• 51:33Speaker 04

  He needs fruit.

• 51:35Robert Evans?

  He needs fruit, right? So this is the, this is the conversation that happens after his friend like bears his soul to him and is like, yeah, I'm fucked up. The doctors can't help me. I'm losing hope. "You've overlooked one important avenue of help," I said, as I turned my car off the freeway and headed for my apartment in the suburbs. I glanced quickly at Jim and noted a glint of hope in his eye. "What do you mean? The space people?" I said bluntly.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  "Obviously, fucking obviously."

• 52:00Robert Evans?

  "Of course, of course. You've seen the sauzers, just as I have. I know you believe the spacecraft are controlled by intelligent beings from outer space who must be far wiser than the majority of doctors on Earth. It might just be possible the space people have access to knowledge and healing methods far in advance of any we now have. Considering these beings have superior intelligence and understanding, your case wouldn't appear at all hopeless. They probably wouldn't be able to get results that to us might even seem miraculous." So, you know, this is when our author reveals that he's been in contact with some Venusians, right? He actually, he's not just like bringing this up for no reason. He has two very good friends amongst the Venusians, Lonzara and Shalana of Venus.

• 52:41Robert Evans?

  These advanced human beings, for such they were, had long ago graduated from Earth to the planet Venus and are actively engaged in two fields of service. One, they hold important positions in the Life Tronic Healing Center on Venus, Lonzara being a master healer and Shalana being his most valuable assistant in the great work. Two, they have a limited number of, all caps, NEW AGE STUDENTS living on our planet Earth with whom they are in frequent contact by telepathy and other means. Thus, a network of key individuals comprised of men and women in various fields of human service on Earth are secretly instructed by the Venusians, who become their cosmic teachers. And by releasing certain higher phases of knowledge to the key men and women of Earth at times, as that knowledge is most needed, the masters of Venus assist in greatly lessening

• 53:25Robert Evans?

  the sufferer of Earth's humanity." So, it all sounds good to me, Molly. Do you wanna suffer less?

• 53:34Speaker 04

  It can hurt to try, right?

• 53:35Robert Evans?

  It can hurt to try.

• 53:37Speaker 04

  That's the thought process that undergirds a lot of very exploitative alternative health.

• 53:41Robert Evans?

  And it is very 50s too, where it's like even these ascended human beings living on Venus, like the woman's still gotta be the helper, right?

• 53:48Speaker 04

  I noticed that.

• 53:49Robert Evans?

  She's still gotta be helping, right? She's not a healer.

• 53:53Speaker 04

  She graduated from Earth, but not from the patriarchy.

• 53:56Robert Evans?

  But not from the patri... No, no, no. Again, you gotta get to, uh, fuck, what was the planet I named a second ago?

• 54:02Speaker 04

  Mercury.

• 54:03Robert Evans?

  Mercury, you gotta be... They have left the patriarchy behind.

• 54:06Speaker 04

  They've graduated from gender.

• 54:07Robert Evans?

  Yeah, they've graduated from gender. They're really racist against Italians. It is weird. It is like 1870s stuff. I do not understand it.

• 54:17Speaker 04

  One of the last to go.

• 54:18Robert Evans?

  One of the last to go.

• 54:21Robert Evans?

  Speaking of, not speaking of racist against Italians, but speaking of going, it's about time for us to go. Molly, you got any pluggables to plug before we end part one?

• 54:31Speaker 04

  Oh, gosh. Well, I guess you could listen to my podcast, Weird Little Guys. I mean, this episode is kind of about a guy that's weird. My show's about guys that are weird in a way that sucks a lot more.

• 54:41Robert Evans?

  Yeah. Yeah, your show is downstream. I just talked about how these kind of weird little guys were kind of, kind of annihilated as a culture, and largely they were replaced by your kind of weird little guys.

• 54:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, guys, um, guys that want to annihilate all of us, speaking of annihilation.

• 54:59Robert Evans?

  Guys that want to annihilate all of us.

• 55:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, check out Weird Little Guys.

• 55:02Robert Evans?

  Yeah, and watch the movie Annihilation, or don't. I'm actually kind of mid on that film.

• 55:06Speaker 04

  I've never seen it.

• 55:07Robert Evans?

  Yeah, it's okay. I think the book's better. I haven't read the book. I don't know what I'm talking about. Don't listen to me. Go to hell. I love you.

• 55:14Speaker 04

  Jesus Christ.

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