Pod Insights Begin Again with Davina McCall Begin Again Moments: Spirituality & Signs About this episode In this deeply moving episode of Begin Again Moments, we bring together two powerful conversations exploring spirituality, grief, intuition, and the signs that can guide us through life’s hardest moments.
Elizabeth Day shares the extraordinary psychic reading that helped her finally let go of her long journey through fertility struggles and miscarriage. She reflects on the emotional release that came from feeling truly seen, and how trusting something beyond logic gave her permission to find peace and move forward.
In the second moment, Dr Tara Swart talks about grief, signs, and healing explores how nature, dreams, community, and intuition can help us stay connected to those we’ve lost. From white feathers and robins to long walks and lucid dreaming, this discussion looks at the comfort many people find in feeling that love continues beyond loss.
Together, these moments invite us to consider the unseen forces that shape our lives, and the possibility that healing can come from places we don’t fully understand.
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1:29 Speaker 03 I genuinely do feel that in a past life, I've had experience of mothering.
1:35 Speaker 04 Yes, so talk to me about that, because it was through a medium, wasn't it?
1:38 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:39 Speaker 04 That you spoke to, and she saw something which really helped you navigate
1:46 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:47 Speaker 04 that time in your life. What did she say?
1:50 Speaker 03 So this was a psychic that a good friend of mine had recommended. And she is based in America. And my good friend said, text her to make the appointment. Don't tell her your real name. And, and she was a very savvy friend. So I texted this psychic to make the appointment and I gave her, because I am truthful, I gave her my first name, my real name. I said, it's Elizabeth. And I didn't say anything else. And this psychic said, okay, I'll call you at seven P M. Your time on a Wednesday evening. It was a phone call. She didn't even see my face. She couldn't have Googled me. And it was an extraordinary experience. The first thing she said was, well, you love words. And I was like, I do. I do love words.
2:34 Speaker 03 That is so me. And about halfway through this conversation, where she said lots of other accurate stuff about my personal life, about my husband, she's like, does your mother have some neck pain? I was like, I don't think so. And then I checked later and my mom had put out her back bell ringing. She was like, I'm going to see the osteopath.
2:51 Speaker 04 Wait, put the car in park, Elizabeth.
2:55 Speaker 04 I just want to just repeat that. Your mother does bell ringing.
2:57 Speaker 03 Yes.
2:57 Speaker 04 Love her.
2:58 Speaker 03 So anyway, about halfway through the bell ringing and everything.
3:01 Speaker 04 Yeah.
3:02 Speaker 03 The psychic said this thing, and she said, I feel like you are grappling right now with letting go of a lifelong desire. And all I said was, yes, that makes sense. So I wasn't asking her any questions. I deliberately didn't want to guide her anywhere. I said, yes, that makes sense. And she said, and I don't know if it's to do with children, but if it is, I have a very strong sense that you were a mother in a past life and you were the mother of six and it almost melted you. That was her word. It almost melted you. And this life has been offered to you to live on your own terms. And that might be if you have tried to have children, you might have experienced fertility issues or miscarriage. And when she said that, I was like, oh, so I totted up the number
3:44 Speaker 03 of unsuccessful fertility cycles, three. Then I've had three miscarriages, six. So I've, I've actually technically been pregnant six times. It was mind blowing.
3:55 Speaker 04 I've literally got goosebumps.
3:56 Speaker 03 So did I.
3:57 Speaker 04 Beware.
3:57 Speaker 03 It felt so aligned with a truth that I had been avoiding in a way.
4:02 Speaker 04 Yes.
4:03 Speaker 03 Because I had had this yearning to be a mother and I had encountered so many obstacles and I'd kept going because I felt I wanted to, but I also felt that I should.
4:16 Speaker 04 It's so interesting that.
4:17 Speaker 03 Yeah. And what that psychic did, and I'm forever grateful to her for it, is she gave me permission to see what it would be like to let that idea go. And it turned out that letting that idea go was incredibly liberating. And it doesn't mean that I'm not sad about it. I am, but I'm really at peace with it. And there are so many other ways that I'm able to create.
4:41 Speaker 04 Isn't it fascinating when somebody sees you, and she didn't see you, but she sees you.
4:49 Speaker 04 And they give you permission to let go. And that actually you can't let go until somebody says, you know, you can let go.
5:01 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:01 Speaker 04 It's, and when that happens, you know, what, what does it feel like?
5:09 Speaker 03 It felt amazing. And ultimately, what I come down to, I do believe that there is a spirit world. Call it what you like. Call it universe. Call it God. Call it faith. Call it something we can't explain. Call it quantum physics, but there is something, there is some energy that is beyond our comprehension. And that might not be for everyone. And there are people listening to this who might not believe that. Either way, I'm so grateful that that gave me what I needed. And actually, there's something really important about that because no one else could have given me permission in a way.
5:47 Speaker 03 I needed someone who claimed to be able to tap into a, a non-human belief system. If that makes sense, like a beyond human thought process, because none of my friends would say that to me. In the sense that they love me so much, they, they want to completely support me in whatever endeavor I'm choosing to do. Similarly with my partner, similarly with medical professionals, they're like, well, we're here to support whatever decision you make next, but you have to make it. Similarly with therapists, like they're not the ones who are going to say, "You can let it go." And so actually, it was incredibly helpful to me. And I have since passed or made appointments with that psychic for dear friends of mine
6:32 Speaker 03 who are going through massive challenges. And at every point, she has A) said something different. So she hasn't always started off with like, "Oh, you love words." Yes. But B), she's said something that has unlocked some power within them to see things differently. And there's something about that power of knowing, the instinct that we can tap into. Trust yourself. Trusting yourself. And women for millennia, because of patriarchy, because of everything else, we have been, we've been sort of bamboozled out of trusting ourselves because actually it's so powerful.
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8:06 Speaker 04 For anybody that has lost somebody and, you know, there's, there's a blueprint in the signs of lots of different ways that we can prepare ourselves.
8:21 Speaker 04 To be more open to signs. Could you talk me through some of those?
8:26 Speaker 07 I think first of all, having this conversation and having the psychological safety in your own community to have that conversation is important. Because obviously, if I started talking about signs and everyone just thought I was losing my mind from grief, or my friends started to get worried about me because I was talking about signs, it would have pushed my, you know, it would have changed my journey.
8:49 Speaker 07 So I, I already in the past few years have been having that conversation a lot with my friends. And they get signs from Robin as well, which is wonderful.
8:58 Speaker 04 Oh, that's so.
9:00 Speaker 07 They even want people that didn't know him.
9:03 Speaker 04 Wow.
9:05 Speaker 07 And I don't see him in dreams that much, so, but I, two or three of my friends, they get dream messages from him.
9:11 Speaker 04 I get so jealous of people that dream of loved ones.
9:14 Speaker 07 I know, because it's like you're actually seeing them.
9:16 Speaker 04 You see them?
9:16 Speaker 07 Yeah.
9:16 Speaker 04 I never get that.
9:18 Speaker 07 I've had it a couple of times, but, and I'm, I can partly do lucid dreaming, so I managed to extend one of them a little bit, but then I think I must have fallen asleep or something. And I was like, oh, I wish I'd stayed in that dream for longer because it was so vivid.
9:29 Speaker 04 Hmm. What is lucid dreaming?
9:32 Speaker 07 So lucid dreaming is when you're aware you're dreaming and you can actually control the events in the dream to some extent.
9:38 Speaker 04 Okay, I think I've had that like once or twice. Have you, do you get that a lot?
9:43 Speaker 07 No, not a lot, but I've had it. So, yeah.
9:45 Speaker 04 Yeah.
9:46 Speaker 07 If I ever became aware that I was in a dream with Robin, I would try to keep going.
9:50 Speaker 04 Of course. And so one of the things obviously is getting your community aware that you're not going that shit crazy.
9:57 Speaker 07 Yeah, yeah. And, and being able to have mutual conversations about it. And then for me, the, the first two things that started me, you know, on this journey that I had no idea how I was going to navigate were nature and community. So, I mean, people came to visit me every single day. I got so many flowers that I had, I ran out of vessels to like put them in. And so I, one thing I learned is that if someone close to me loses someone, I'm going to buy them a vase, not flowers.
10:24 Speaker 04 Yes. Oh my God, that's good.
10:27 Speaker 07 It was a good learning.
10:31 Speaker 07 And and I'm talking about like six months solid of getting flowers like all the time.
10:36 Speaker 04 Wow.
10:36 Speaker 07 Um, even now, and it's been nearly four years.
10:41 Speaker 04 And that's really lovely, isn't it? It's it's, um, well, you were talking about community.
10:48 Speaker 07 Yeah, so I was, you know, living on a a large property that I would just like walk around for half an hour every day. And then because I didn't really have anything else to do or couldn't really do anything else, I just started walking for longer and longer. And I felt the benefits on my mental health of doing that. And I also had a weird analogy, which is that I have a terrible sense of direction. And where I was living, I would have no signal. So if I got lost, I wouldn't be able to use Google Maps and I could walk for hours without seeing anyone. But I started going down paths I'd never been before. And I just had this, a bit like that, you know, the weird feeling of him not being him when he died. I just had this weird feeling that I would find my way.
11:33 Speaker 07 And on some kind of spiritual level that I'd been in that place before, which I can't explain. But the for me to, I mean, I can lose my way in London. I can be crying on a street corner in London and I've lived in my entire life. For me to say, it's okay to just keep walking because eventually you'll find your way back, felt like a analogy for grief.
11:53 Speaker 04 Yes.
11:54 Speaker 07 Even having to drive because Robin always drove. And even when he was between treatments, I would drive to to the country. But he would say, get into this lane, go down to fifty, turn off here. So suddenly having to drive on my own.
12:11 Speaker 07 At first I was like, you know, shaking and terrified and didn't even feel like, oh, my God, I got home safely. That's great. I just looked at the seat next to me and just thought like, why aren't you here?
12:23 Speaker 07 Um, but then my driving improved, you know, like it had to. Um, and so I use that as an analogy. I was like, I can't see my grief journey. But I can see that I've improved in driving this much in six months. So it's it must be the same.
12:42 Speaker 04 I like this idea of nature being so healing. And often, you know, these long walks are like, you just need to keep going. And how much they help.
12:55 Speaker 07 Yeah, and I think, so my neighbour, she lost her brother and she said to me, just walk your way back, you know, back to healing.
13:02 Speaker 04 Wow.
13:02 Speaker 07 She specifically said that, yeah.
13:04 Speaker 04 So great.
13:06 Speaker 07 Yeah, but I think the thing for me was when you walk, and it goes across the seasons as well, you see this continuous cycle of how nature recycles everything.
13:18 Speaker 04 Yes.
13:20 Speaker 07 Like.
13:20 Speaker 04 Yes.
13:22 Speaker 07 And even in, weirdly, in the bouquets of flowers I would get, the roses always die first. And so I became a bit obsessed at watching the life cycle of a rose, but understanding that the petals and, you know, they go back into the earth and they form some of the soil that helps new ones to grow. But also, when, you know, when nature is so beautiful, you feel awe and you feel connected to something greater. And I think that really helped me as well. And also, a lot of signs come from nature because the classic ones like the white feather, the robins, you're more likely to see them if you're spending time in nature.
14:00 Speaker 04 Hmm.
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