The Best New Music of Summer 2026 With Patrik Sandberg. Plus, an Interview With Jennifer Herrema and Kurt Midness of Black Bananas.

Yasi is joined by returning guest and Bandsplain MVP Patrik Sandberg to share their favorite new releases of the summer and the upcoming new music they’re most excited for. Next, Yasi talks with Jennifer Herrema and Kurt Midness of Black Bananas about their new album, ‘Bad Bunch’; the importance of physical media; living an artistic life; and much more. Episode playlistListen to the best new music of summer 2026 here. Host: Yasi SalekGuests: Patrik Sandberg @patriksandberg and Jennifer Herrema and Kurt Midness of Black Bananas @blackbananasbandProducer: Rob SundermannEditor: Adrian BridgesAdditional Production Supervision: Justin SaylesTheme Song: Bethany CosentinoLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:02Speaker 00

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• 1:01Speaker 02

  What's with this band anyway? I don't get it. Can you please explain? Wait, like, Fansplain? Never heard this band in my life. Oh, you haven't? I'd love that. Really? Why? Yeah, I love this song. Oh, I don't know that one. Fansplain, Fansplain, Fansplain. I really hate this band! Whatever, I'm their biggest fan. Fansplain, Fansplain, Fansplain, Fansplain. Fansplain!

• 1:41Yasi Salek?

  Hello and welcome to Fansplain. I am your host, Yasi Salek. This is usually a show where I invite an expert guest on to help me explain a cult band or iconic artist. Today's episode is a little different. Today's episode is about the best new music from the last three months or so, as well as something that came a little before that we forgot to talk about and a lot that we're looking forward to in the future. Also, please stick around afterwards for an interview with one of my favorite artists, Jennifer Harem of Royal Trucks and Black Bananas. You guys, my guest today is the Alec Baldwin of Fansplain, if you will. 10 time repeat guest. It's Patrick Sandberg.

• 2:21Speaker 04

  The bitch is back.

• 2:22Yasi Salek?

  The bitch is back for the 10th time. You have hosted more episodes than I have.

• 2:29Yasi Salek?

  I'm really, I'm really pleased to have Patrick because I'm sure real heads know, but maybe those of you who have only heard him on Madonna episodes or whatnot, don't know that he has exceptional taste in contemporary music and showcases this taste on his gorgeous Substack, paraphernalia, if you're looking.

• 2:51Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 2:52Yasi Salek?

  He's a gatekeeper, so if you'd like to access that gate, go on over to substack.com/paraphernalia.

• 2:59Speaker 04

  I'm one of the original gatekeepers.

• 3:01Yasi Salek?

  So true. And you're keeping the flame alive.

• 3:03Speaker 04

  And a snob.

• 3:04Yasi Salek?

  And I appreciate that. Meanwhile, I'm out literally in the streets with a sandwich board being like, please listen to Fiddlehead. Have you heard Fiddlehead? Can I interest you in talking about Fiddlehead?

• 3:13Speaker 04

  Is Fiddlehead like a shark?

• 3:14Yasi Salek?

  No, Fiddlehead's a band.

• 3:16Speaker 04

  No, I mean like the word Fiddlehead. Where does it come from?

• 3:18Yasi Salek?

  I think it's a plant, is it not? Or like a leafy, is it?

• 3:22Speaker 04

  It's an STD.

• 3:24Yasi Salek?

  No, how dare you. How dare you say that about my beautiful... They're tightly wound edible curly tips of young ostrich ferns.

• 3:31Speaker 04

  Oh my, okay.

• 3:32Yasi Salek?

  So...

• 3:33Speaker 04

  I feel like there's like a Fiddlehead Bay, probably like in Australia.

• 3:37Yasi Salek?

  Sure. This band is from Boston and they're wonderful. Me and Christopher Ryan just recently saw them perform at a un-air-conditioned theater in downtown Los Angeles during the heat wave and it made me feel alive and young again.

• 3:50Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 3:51Yasi Salek?

  And then my French best friend Sarah Natov did make me cry laughing, saying something the next day like, "You're always just like going to see all these bands, like, Anger of the Jacket."

• 4:06Speaker 04

  That's our band.

• 4:07Yasi Salek?

  Anger of the Jacket!

• 4:08Speaker 04

  You were like, jacket or no jacket, right before the Anger of the Jacket was poking out.

• 4:12Yasi Salek?

  Sometimes her ESL hits so fucking hard. Anger of the Jacket is just...

• 4:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:19Yasi Salek?

  Chef's kiss.

• 4:20Speaker 04

  Many such band names, actually. It's like Spirit of the Beehive.

• 4:24Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, totally. You know my Warped Tour band name is Corner of Solace.

• 4:28Speaker 04

  That's good.

• 4:29Yasi Salek?

  It's really good, right?

• 4:29Speaker 04

  That's hardcore.

• 4:30Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, yeah, it's like emo core, probably.

• 4:33Speaker 04

  Or it could just be pure goth.

• 4:34Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, maybe. Do they still make that kind of band?

• 4:36Speaker 04

  Not as often as they should. Like, are there any Christian deaths out there just wandering around?

• 4:42Yasi Salek?

  I think that's stopped being allowed. Full disclosure, you guys, we are recording this September 22nd, so if any artist like surprise releases an album in the next eight days, we will not talk about it because we don't know about it. Well, I know you had a couple of these on your list too, since you did not do our best new music of Q2, that was Roommate Bree Morale, and you did not do...

• 5:06Speaker 04

  Or Q1.

• 5:08Yasi Salek?

  Which I think was Chris Ryan?

• 5:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:10Yasi Salek?

  Yes.

• 5:11Speaker 04

  A lot of Q1s are on my...

• 5:14Yasi Salek?

  Q1 was very strong.

• 5:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was a strong Q.

• 5:17Yasi Salek?

  I'm no longer as tapped...

• 5:18Speaker 04

  Big Q.

• 5:19Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, big Q. I love to use...

• 5:20Speaker 04

  That's what they call me.

• 5:21Yasi Salek?

  Fiscal language on this podcast.

• 5:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 5:25Yasi Salek?

  And don't forget I have an MBA, you guys. Actually, my dad finally was like, please take this degree that's been hanging on his wall. And I was like, well, I don't want it. And he's like, well, I don't want it. And so now it's like literally my, my degree from the University of Southern California for my master's in business administration is just like...

• 5:41Speaker 04

  In the recycling?

• 5:42Yasi Salek?

  No, it's like junking around in my trunk of my car. If anyone wants it. Should I, I should auction it. Anyways, what I was gonna say is that you have a bunch to mention. I have like two that I forgot to mention from Q2. And also, I was just wondering today when I was making my list, I know that like you're, it's not good to release music like around Christmas. Like December is kind of a dead month because all of the like best of lists and stuff are pretty much wrapped and done, but before December.

• 6:11Speaker 04

  Oh, true, true.

• 6:12Yasi Salek?

  So I, that's something I remember and that maybe January is also a little like, like not ideal. But I wonder if there's something like beneficial for Q1, which is why...

• 6:24Speaker 04

  I think there is.

• 6:24Yasi Salek?

  The first three months of the year, because it was really like heavy with amazing stuff.

• 6:28Speaker 04

  I keep many playlists, as you know, but one of them is just called Now Playing and I don't, I don't share it with people and it's my like kind of junk drawer of like...

• 6:37Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 6:38Speaker 04

  Anything I hear that I'm, I'm not even sure if I like it, but I'm interested enough to like keep listening, I throw it on there. And then that's a playlist I listen to all year and then a certain songs kind of stand out from it as favorites of mine. I move them into my like best of the year playlist, which I'm doing, I have a whole system that I do at the gym all year long.

• 7:01Yasi Salek?

  Sure. I have no control over the music I listen to at the gym because I go to classes, but I think you'll find this amusing. I was in a class the other day and I had, I had kind of noted this with interest another time because whoever programs the playlists for these classes has included the complete non-radio edit of Closer by Nine Inch Nails. And I want, I want just to like paint the picture that this is like a Studio City weightlifting.

• 7:26Speaker 04

  Shout out to that person.

• 7:27Yasi Salek?

  Gym, there's like people of all ages and creeds and... And so it came on once and I was like, "Oh, we're just full. I want to fuck you like an animal."

• 7:36Speaker 04

  All ages, like there's children?

• 7:37Yasi Salek?

  No, but there's like people in their 60s.

• 7:40Speaker 04

  They've heard the word fuck before.

• 7:41Yasi Salek?

  Okay, I just...

• 7:42Speaker 04

  They are adults too.

• 7:43Yasi Salek?

  Perhaps I'm a prude.

• 7:44Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 7:45Yasi Salek?

  It doesn't bother me, but it's not like, I don't want to listen to that with these people. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just like, it was not really a communal experience I wanted to enjoy, but I never said anything because I'm chill. And then...

• 7:55Speaker 04

  Also, the older I get, I'm like 60, so young.

• 7:58Yasi Salek?

  So young, totally same. I'm like around the corner.

• 8:00Speaker 04

  Be there soon.

• 8:01Yasi Salek?

  But then the other day it came on and I like was like, and then a woman flagged the trainer over and was like, "Can you change the song?"

• 8:07Speaker 04

  Oh, wow. Why don't you go back to church, bitch?

• 8:11Yasi Salek?

  You know, look, I'm, I'm okay with it. It went on to Groove Armada and I was happy with it. I really don't know how I wandered into that.

• 8:20Speaker 04

  Oh, well, so...

• 8:21Yasi Salek?

  What was I talking about?

• 8:22Speaker 04

  I have a tendency...

• 8:23Yasi Salek?

  Oh, the gym, you're doing your gym playlist.

• 8:25Speaker 04

  Well, I have a tendency to put like November and December releases, they cross over to the following year, to the following best of the year because sometimes I don't really get into them until later, you know? They have to kind of...

• 8:38Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, like some, some music...

• 8:40Speaker 04

  You have to live with it for a while.

• 8:41Yasi Salek?

  Some music hits you right away and some doesn't stick till like the third or fourth listen, I find, you know? Like some things like require a little more repetition for me to like access them.

• 8:52Speaker 04

  But also I think that like, because I'm a Spotify user, as are you.

• 8:56Yasi Salek?

  Yes, correct.

• 8:56Speaker 04

  Spotify does their end of the year, here's the artist you listen to the most thing.

• 9:01Yasi Salek?

  Or whatever. That doesn't work for me.

• 9:03Speaker 04

  And my...

• 9:04Yasi Salek?

  Wrapped is what it's called.

• 9:04Speaker 04

  Mine is very accurate in a very humiliating way because I also, I have playlists that I use because I'm writing certain projects or I'm researching certain things and it's like for that vibe. And so it's like, okay, I don't only listen to like Otz Electro, but I do because I was writing something that was set during that time period or whatever it is. So, but I think that things that come out in Q1 naturally benefit in that algorithm because you get, you've listened to it more because you've had it for longer, you know?

• 9:35Yasi Salek?

  I wonder if it's kind of had the Oscars work, right?

• 9:37Speaker 04

  It's gonna be Slater. It's gonna be like Slater's your number one album.

• 9:39Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 9:39Speaker 04

  And I love that album. It's like one of the best albums of the year, for sure. But also it's like, it's on playlists and it just has gotten played more by virtue of being around that long.

• 9:50Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. My wrapped unfortunately is completely destroyed by my job, so it'll be like, "Wow, you listened to the Yaya Yaya for 300 hours?" And I'm like, "Sure did." And that's not a bad thing. It's just not accurate.

• 10:03Speaker 04

  No, and it's, it is accurate in a sense.

• 10:06Yasi Salek?

  Yes, the data is correct.

• 10:07Speaker 04

  It's like, this is you.

• 10:08Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 10:09Speaker 04

  This is you, right?

• 10:10Yasi Salek?

  It's not really reflecting...

• 10:12Speaker 04

  This you?

• 10:13Yasi Salek?

  This you, girl? I know last year was really bad though, because like still my most played songs of the year were Cameron Winter because I was like in an emotional fugue state after the fire, Tiny Valen. And I just listened to that album like non-stop, like for like two months, walking my dog and despite my job, came to the top of the pile.

• 10:30Speaker 04

  Accuracy again. Like, it reads you for filth, actually, is what happened.

• 10:34Yasi Salek?

  Sure does. Okay, well, do you want to, do you want to just take, I only have two from, that I missed, but do you want to talk just like very briefly about ones that you, you feel from the beginning of the year? We can, I can, you know, let you know if we talked about them because we probably did.

• 10:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think you've talked about a bunch of these and we can skip through some of them. I also just want to give a little disclaimer about my music taste because... Everything I'm about to say is subjective.

• 11:03Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, that's how, that'd be how case works.

• 11:06Speaker 04

  But, you know, I, this isn't, I'm not taking the temperature of the music, everyone, this is the best music of the year.

• 11:12Yasi Salek?

  We just frame it like that for engagement and then I get sad that people come screaming at me because they don't understand what favorite means.

• 11:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I also, I know and love and cherish the bands playing.

• 11:23Yasi Salek?

  Audience, of course.

• 11:25Speaker 04

  And I'm a big guitar rock person, but I'm also a card carrying homosexual who listens to a lot of electronic music.

• 11:32Yasi Salek?

  What does the card look like that they give you and where do you get it?

• 11:34Speaker 04

  It's really.

• 11:37Yasi Salek?

  It's really fat.

• 11:37Speaker 04

  Skinny.

• 11:38Yasi Salek?

  It's really skinny and fat.

• 11:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:40Yasi Salek?

  And they accepted it all Dunkin' Donuts across America.

• 11:44Speaker 04

  I don't even need a card for Dunkin' Donuts because I have that on my phone.

• 11:49Speaker 04

  But I definitely come from like a, you know, like a New Order, Joy Division, The Cure, Pet Shop Boys, Madonna, 480, post punk, new wave, new pop, goth, dark wave cinematic universe.

• 12:08Speaker 04

  Which is very different from like a folk country type of cinematic universe, which I'm not part of. I'm a big shoegaze aficionado going on 30 years.

• 12:21Yasi Salek?

  You must be pleased because they've been really cranking that music out for the last like 10 years.

• 12:25Speaker 04

  I'm so happy. I'm so happy that young people got into it because it's validating. I always knew it was the best.

• 12:31Yasi Salek?

  I feel like they're probably just honestly like so brain damaged from the internet that like it's the only like soothing music that like works to like fill and put sand in the grooves of their brain, you know? But that's just a working theory.

• 12:44Speaker 04

  Ooh, I love that. You gotta smooth out the brain for sure.

• 12:48Yasi Salek?

  I told you that last night. I was so, I was so tweaked out from recording two podcasts that I went home and roommate Bree Morrell, a genius, found a YouTube that was just three hours of like MTV two from the year 2000. It was amazing. It was just like, you don't get to pick because of the video. It was reliving that experience that you used to have. And I was just like, fuck, we used to be a proper.

• 13:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, like, I never saw this video. Have I seen this?

• 13:15Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 13:15Speaker 04

  They made a video for this?

• 13:17Yasi Salek?

  Or like, you're like, yeah, you know, actually the video for Where It's At by Beck was kind of cool. I would never go seek it out, you know, but.

• 13:23Speaker 04

  Well, this is like my pitch, my idea for bands playing YouTube of you hosting a music video playlist like MTV two.

• 13:34Yasi Salek?

  I think it's a good idea.

• 13:34Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's kind of self-explanatory. You don't need to know what I'm talking about, people, but you kind of get it.

• 13:42Yasi Salek?

  But also what a great, what a great reminder for people. Band's way is now on YouTube, so go on over and subscribe.

• 13:48Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 13:50Yasi Salek?

  Comment, share, whatever else people do on YouTube.

• 13:53Speaker 04

  I think a recurring theme that's going to come up and some of your picks add mine is this genre that I feel like Spotify coined. I don't think it's real.

• 14:02Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 14:03Speaker 04

  It was definitely after Chrome Neon Jesus, the Teenage Wrist album, which to me is a very seminal

• 14:13Speaker 04

  record that was really influential and a lot of bands started to sounding like that afterwards, like combining kind of like pop punk and shoegaze and like emo.

• 14:22Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 14:22Speaker 04

  And grunge into one sound. And I was listening to so many bands like that, that Spotify was like, made me a special playlist and was like, your favorite kind of music is Dreamo.

• 14:33Yasi Salek?

  Never heard that.

• 14:34Speaker 04

  Dreamo.

• 14:35Yasi Salek?

  Dreamo.

• 14:36Speaker 04

  Dreamo bitch.

• 14:37Yasi Salek?

  Kind of good.

• 14:38Speaker 04

  It's pretty good.

• 14:39Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 14:39Speaker 04

  So Dreamo will come back. Anyway, um, not starting off with that, but I want to say the Fuckers album.

• 14:48Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 14:49Speaker 04

  Uh, has been pretty big for me this year. I was a little, I mean, I've always liked them, but in a, not in like an obsessed way or anything. And then the album I was very impressed. It came out in March. Is March Q1?

• 15:04Speaker 04

  Came out Q1. Fuckers are, is that even how you say it? F C U K ers?

• 15:10Yasi Salek?

  This is like a bit of like a, um, what's it called?

• 15:14Speaker 04

  I say fuckers.

• 15:14Yasi Salek?

  Like a black spot for me, dark spot.

• 15:17Speaker 04

  So they are.

• 15:18Yasi Salek?

  Blind spot, that's.

• 15:18Speaker 04

  Jackson Walker Lewis and Shanny Wise and they make this sort of like blase, nonchalant electronica that to me occupies a lineage of of artists like D Light, Latrem, Fisher Spooner, um, Soul Wax a little bit. Like it has that kind of, I hate to use the term, but you've already been through this wringer that is a little indie sleaze.

• 15:48Yasi Salek?

  It's.

• 15:48Speaker 04

  Inflected.

• 15:49Yasi Salek?

  We've surrendered to the term.

• 15:50Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 15:52Yasi Salek?

  Everyone needs to move on, you know?

• 15:54Speaker 04

  If fuckers hates that term, I'm very sorry.

• 15:57Yasi Salek?

  Indie sleaze?

• 15:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:59Yasi Salek?

  I, I don't think anyone.

• 16:00Speaker 04

  It kind of just, you know, it's, we didn't decide it. The culture decided it.

• 16:05Yasi Salek?

  Start the fire.

• 16:05Speaker 04

  And it, it encompasses. A million.

• 16:10Yasi Salek?

  If you're gonna be mad about that, like we have bigger fish to fry. Do you know what I mean? Like make your world larger.

• 16:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I also want to say that it's like a little post W I T. W I T, are you familiar? W I T were a very.

• 16:23Yasi Salek?

  The podcast hosted by Mark Barron. May it rest in peace.

• 16:26Speaker 04

  Was that what it was called?

• 16:27Yasi Salek?

  No, W T F.

• 16:29Speaker 04

  W I T, Whatever It Takes was a seminal girl group, electro clash girl group in New York City downtown, early 2000s.

• 16:37Yasi Salek?

  No.

• 16:37Speaker 04

  Melissa Burns was the singer, dropped dead gorgeous, incredible hair.

• 16:41Yasi Salek?

  What? I, how did I miss this? Sounds so up my alley.

• 16:45Speaker 04

  I don't know if they're really on streaming, which like some of the best artists from back then aren't, but you can listen to them on YouTube.

• 16:52Yasi Salek?

  You know what this reminds me of is Fanny Pack.

• 16:54Speaker 04

  Yeah. What I like about fuckers is that the music is really fun. It's minimalistic. It's kind of hypnotic. It like really, it's like just good party music. They've gotten a little bit of pushback for being cool, which what are you gonna do?

• 17:11Yasi Salek?

  Who's pushing back?

• 17:13Speaker 04

  There was, it's like whenever, it's like when the dare came out, remember there's like kind of fake controversies or like enemy or someone said that they were like the next big band and everybody got angry.

• 17:23Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 17:24Speaker 04

  But I think that they have fulfilled their prophecy and their potential. They've quickly become part of the tapestry of like, you know, New York nightclub world, Hall of Fame. And I just feel like every, a lot of my friends, everywhere I go, Paris, UK, people are bumping this record. I'm hearing it everywhere. So everyone go check that out.

• 17:49Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 17:50Speaker 04

  That was one. Quickly, I want to talk about this band called Glaring.

• 17:56Speaker 04

  It's, Glaring is a self-described post punk, cold wave, electronic project by producer named Anna Ninn from Hamburg, Germany.

• 18:06Yasi Salek?

  Wonderful.

• 18:08Speaker 04

  She creates these like very minimal synthscape songs that are gothic and brave and dazzling and just like fabulous. So for me, it's like, if anyone, did you ever go to like weird at Home Sweet Home in New York?

• 18:22Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 18:22Speaker 04

  On the Lower East Side, those Wednesday night, like goth nights, like weird records is this like very cool, small label started by Peter Schoolworth, who's an amazing painter. But they would have these parties and bands like Zeno and Oaklander and Letterest would play. Marshall Cantrell, et cetera. It's sort of, it reminds me of that stuff, but it comes from Germany and it's, a lot of it is like only instrumental.

• 18:50Yasi Salek?

  That sounds really cool. I had never heard of Glaring.

• 18:53Speaker 04

  Should I keep going?

• 18:55Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. Okay. You want me to throw in one and just break it up?

• 18:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:58Yasi Salek?

  Okay. This is an album I listened to a bunch and then I don't know how, I don't have as like robust a system as you. Unfortunately, I'm really flying by the seat of my pants. And the album came out the end of June. So I wonder if it was a situation where we recorded before that, but, um, it's an artist called Dari Bay and the album is called Surprise Wish. And I just really love it. I don't know. It's, it's very the dream of the nineties is alive, which is, um, a specific genre that I like, but just kind of like scuzzy. Like really like alive rock music.

• 19:37Yasi Salek?

  I'm really into it. The guy is, uh, the guy, his name is Zach James. He's also in a band called Robber, which is really good, which might be a little bit more up your alley. It's a little post punk.

• 19:48Speaker 04

  Where are they from?

• 19:51Yasi Salek?

  Vermont.

• 19:52Speaker 04

  Okay, American.

• 19:53Yasi Salek?

  Burlington, Vermont. Yeah.

• 19:55Speaker 04

  While a lot of you have been listening to underscores, I've been over here busy listening to Sassy 009. Which is the project of an Oslo based artist named Suneva Lingard. And she.

• 20:10Yasi Salek?

  Patrick said, I'm not like other girls.

• 20:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:14Speaker 04

  It's really good. Um, she takes like a lot of sonic signifiers from trip hop. I wouldn't really call it trip hop, but there's certain sounds from the trip hop universe that she employs in a way that I find amusing. You know, like those kind of squelching sneaker pimps, like synth stabs and like, it's, she sort of pumps them through like a hyperpop vernacular. Like there's something that feels akin to Charlie XCX in there somewhere. Like I can feel the connection. But it's like very drenched in reverb and it has.

• 20:54Speaker 04

  This thing I love that is kind of a repeat thing, which is like, it's very disaffected and kind of.

• 20:59Yasi Salek?

  What you love.

• 21:00Speaker 04

  I love a disaffected.

• 21:01Yasi Salek?

  Shalons.

• 21:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, I love.

• 21:03Yasi Salek?

  Shalons?

• 21:03Speaker 04

  I love a bored rude bitch is my favorite thing.

• 21:08Yasi Salek?

  No shalons here, please.

• 21:11Speaker 04

  Zero shalons.

• 21:12Yasi Salek?

  We love a bored rude bitch. That's our, that's our nineties upbringing.

• 21:15Speaker 04

  Yeah. The album is called Dreamer Plus, which I also think is funny because we're living in the plus.

• 21:21Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, Dreamer Maxing, Dream Maxing, Dreamo Maxing.

• 21:25Speaker 04

  Shout out to Nothing, their album, A Short History of Decay.

• 21:30Yasi Salek?

  We love, we had Nikki on the pod, huge fans, both of us.

• 21:34Speaker 04

  Beta Fish is a mysterious internet artist and I'm really afraid that it might be AI, but I don't think that it is.

• 21:40Yasi Salek?

  What if, what if that would be amazing if you were like.

• 21:43Speaker 04

  If this is the first AI.

• 21:44Yasi Salek?

  AI artist.

• 21:45Speaker 04

  If this is the first AI that got me, I will.

• 21:49Yasi Salek?

  You're like, the AI sounds good.

• 21:50Speaker 04

  I will stand by it.

• 21:53Speaker 04

  Their band camp says that her name is Sophia and she's from Bulgaria. Okay, sure.

• 21:59Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 22:00Speaker 04

  I believe you. It's probably actually like a guy named Miles who lives in Illinois, um, who's just like cosplaying. The album came out in February and the album is called 2026. Very original.

• 22:13Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I like that. AI would never, AI could never.

• 22:16Speaker 04

  Could never come up with something like that. It's just really like fun, dirty, cheap electro pop.

• 22:25Speaker 04

  It has almost like an early The Faint vibe to it, which I'm really into.

• 22:30Yasi Salek?

  I love The Faint.

• 22:31Speaker 04

  Hold is a really big song for me in my world.

• 22:34Yasi Salek?

  Electro Clash is really coming back. I think so.

• 22:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:37Yasi Salek?

  I think that's like, it's already started, but I think it's like really about to.

• 22:42Speaker 04

  To a certain group of people.

• 22:44Yasi Salek?

  It never went away.

• 22:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's a real Housewives of New York reference. To a certain group of people in New York, it never left. Electro Clash is everything.

• 22:55Speaker 04

  If you will, and to that, and to that effect, another artist along these same lines is called Two Charm.

• 23:01Yasi Salek?

  I really like Two Charm. Yeah, I think I, I don't know if we talked about it on here, but I definitely like put one of, is it a girl?

• 23:09Speaker 04

  It's two gay guys.

• 23:11Yasi Salek?

  It's two gays.

• 23:11Speaker 04

  From Australia.

• 23:12Yasi Salek?

  So Two Gay Guys does make a girl.

• 23:16Yasi Salek?

  I put one of their songs on a playlist and I was really like charmed by it. And also I love the, um, aesthetic. Cause it's like Lisa Frank Trapper Keeper aesthetic, which I love.

• 23:25Speaker 04

  It's very that. It's very like whimsical, stupid, but like dirty, bratty.

• 23:33Yasi Salek?

  So sad. Like what? Nothing will ever bring me as much joy as going to get my brand new school year Lisa Frank Trapper Keeper that was gonna be for the whole year. And I got to pick out which one I was gonna have. And maybe it had dolphins.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:48Yasi Salek?

  And balloons.

• 23:49Speaker 04

  It definitely had dolphins and baby tigers.

• 23:52Yasi Salek?

  I can get a Birkin today and it would not bring me the same dopamine rush that that Trapper Keeper of Lisa Frank from fourth grade brought me.

• 23:58Speaker 04

  Two Charms album, Star Scum City.

• 24:01Yasi Salek?

  You're like, let's stay on topic.

• 24:02Speaker 04

  Well, I was just gonna point out.

• 24:04Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 24:04Speaker 04

  It was co-produced by Nina Juraci.

• 24:06Yasi Salek?

  I love Nina Juraci.

• 24:08Speaker 04

  You're a fan of.

• 24:08Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, and roommate Bree, a huge fan.

• 24:11Speaker 04

  They, they blew up a little bit online because they wrote like a funny pop song called Boyfriend.

• 24:15Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 24:15Speaker 04

  That was their big song.

• 24:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think they, I like that they're pushing the aesthetic limits of tastelessness. It's a big thing for me.

• 24:25Yasi Salek?

  You think it's tasteless, that aesthetic?

• 24:27Speaker 04

  It's like very trashy on purpose, kind of.

• 24:30Yasi Salek?

  I think it's cute.

• 24:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, you know?

• 24:33Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 24:33Speaker 04

  It's like, it's, it's extreme. The sound is kind of extreme.

• 24:44Speaker 04

  They lean really sincerely into like happy hardcore a little bit. You know, trance pop. It's a very audacious and subversive series of pleasures going on. It's very XY Magazine. It's very Sean Cody. It's very King Cobra. It's very Dennis Cooper.

• 25:04Yasi Salek?

  I feel like you're just saying one.

• 25:04Speaker 04

  If you know, you know. It's Lisa Frank.

• 25:08Yasi Salek?

  It's Lisa Frank.

• 25:08Speaker 04

  It's gay Lisa Frank. Kim Petras detour, just to say it. We don't need to get into it. It's just incredible. I think that like, there are certain pop albums that to me really push a sound forward, you know, like Brittany Blackout would probably be an example.

• 25:28Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 25:28Speaker 04

  I think like all of Charlie's work with AG fits into that. And I think what Kim is doing with Frost Children and Nick Weiss, who is Night Feelings, fits into that category. I really like the direction she took with this album. It could have gone a more conventional route. It could have gone a more hyper pop, like typical route. And instead, she's really kind of like, it's, it's as if she's like throwing everything in the kitchen sink, but it's like digitized and it sounds loud and crazy.

• 26:02Yasi Salek?

  As you know, I'm like not the expert of pop girls. Can you explain to me the thing that I see online all the time about her? How she's on her like eighth first album? What does that mean? What are they talking about? Like her eighth like debut album or whatever.

• 26:18Speaker 04

  This is a pop quiz for me. I think it's because she released multiple albums

• 26:27Speaker 04

  before she got like a big, major label push.

• 26:30Yasi Salek?

  Got it. So she was like, kind of like an indie artist first.

• 26:34Speaker 04

  Not exactly, because she was, I believe with Kemosabe, which is Dr. Luke.

• 26:39Yasi Salek?

  Sure.

• 26:41Speaker 04

  But she would do EPs and things like that, but she had an album called Clarity that's a masterpiece.

• 26:46Yasi Salek?

  Okay. No Jimmy Eat World.

• 26:48Speaker 04

  But I think.

• 26:49Yasi Salek?

  Do you think she listened to Jimmy Eat World and that's where she got the title from?

• 26:51Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 26:52Yasi Salek?

  She's like, I prefer clarity over bleeding.

• 26:54Speaker 04

  She has that pop punk vocal style, you know? She also, she kind of broke out putting out a series of singles that were not part of an album, but they did sort of make up an album. But for some reason it was just released as singles and all the single artwork was very similar. So she sort of had an unofficial first album.

• 27:11Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 27:12Speaker 04

  Then she had Clarity. Then when, after the kind of, I might be messing up the timeline, but the unholy Sam Smith breakthrough of it all, where she won a Grammy and things like that. Her label was trying to push her as a different type of artist. She had an album that got shelved that came out later called Problematique.

• 27:30Yasi Salek?

  Have we talked about how I somehow accidentally found myself at Sam Smith's, like extremely small and private Grammy after party?

• 27:40Yasi Salek?

  Like in like a very small sidebar at like, God, what is that place called? It's something house. It used to be a hotel.

• 27:48Speaker 04

  Soho House.

• 27:49Yasi Salek?

  No, it's the other one. Anyways, doesn't matter. Meanwhile, I'm like a little drunk and.

• 27:54Speaker 04

  Holloway House.

• 27:55Yasi Salek?

  Holloway House, correct. And I'm just like, there was food and I was like, ooh. Just like eating french fries at the buffet and then someone comes and like knocks into me and I was like, oh, I'm so sorry. And it was Sam, it was Sam Smith.

• 28:08Speaker 04

  He was like, that's my dinner.

• 28:09Yasi Salek?

  I'm really sorry. I'm eating your french fries. He was very nice.

• 28:13Speaker 04

  Well, Sony, I think when her label started pushing her, they announced an album as the debut album and her fans just went nuts. Cause they were like the debut. And so every album since then, they've been like the debut album of Kim Petras.

• 28:24Yasi Salek?

  Right. Okay.

• 28:26Speaker 04

  There's another artist I like. He's so random, this one. I don't know where I found him. He found me. The algorithm found me. Johnny Dynamite, incredible name.

• 28:35Yasi Salek?

  Sounds French.

• 28:35Speaker 04

  He is a rocker from Philly.

• 28:39Yasi Salek?

  Johnny Dynamite.

• 28:41Yasi Salek?

  And make rock music.

• 28:42Speaker 04

  He makes like, kind of, forgive me, like almost, it's not cheesy. It's like, it's, but it's like croony, like basement synth rock.

• 28:53Yasi Salek?

  Okay, that sounds really up your alley.

• 28:55Speaker 04

  He used to record, I think, as Johnny Dynamite as, and The Bloodsuckers, which is what sort of got my attention. I was like, this ridiculous bad name. I need to hear what this sounds like.

• 29:07Speaker 04

  And this year he released a self-titled album. It has this very breathless kind of eighties pop rock vibe and I love it. I think it's great. I want to shout out Salem for putting out Red Dragon, which came out in May, along with their Supreme collaboration, which was just a trove of like a lot of their unreleased music.

• 29:27Yasi Salek?

  I liked the grippy socks.

• 29:29Speaker 04

  Totally. I never opened mine. I keep them in the package, you know, for collector's sake.

• 29:34Yasi Salek?

  You're a hype beast.

• 29:36Speaker 04

  I was gifted the socks, by the way.

• 29:40Speaker 04

  They have been accused by idiots of like not making enough music or being like flash in the pan or like, cause people don't know the depth, like.

• 29:49Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 29:49Speaker 04

  Of their discography, because originally they released all their music on zip drives that they would put, drop on like message boards. And so it was all free. And, cause a lot of it used samples and things that they hadn't cleared.

• 30:04Speaker 04

  And there's like a, there's a kind of, if you know, you know, Google Doc that has a full and complete archive of every Salem song. And it's like exhaustive and insane that you can go and look up. And so people mistook this as being a new album. This was a lot of old music. But it's great. Think Fake Mink having a big ear.

• 30:24Yasi Salek?

  Really good.

• 30:26Speaker 04

  Love.

• 30:26Yasi Salek?

  Really good. Fake Mink, really good.

• 30:28Speaker 04

  Nothing not to like.

• 30:29Yasi Salek?

  That's actually really good. Cause I don't think we ever talked about Fake Mink on this pod, but really good.

• 30:35Speaker 04

  It's really good. His lyrics are hilarious. He reminds me of Lil Wayne sometimes as a lyricist in the sense that he will be saying the most ridiculous shit. And if you're not paying attention, it will just glide right over you. And if you are listening, you will start laughing. Porches doesn't get enough love.

• 30:54Yasi Salek?

  Honey, that's another one. Actually, we forgot to talk about, but I was gonna wait for you. I love that Porches album.

• 30:59Speaker 04

  It's so good.

• 31:00Yasi Salek?

  Mask.

• 31:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:01Yasi Salek?

  I don't know why it's called, they call it a mixtape?

• 31:04Speaker 04

  I kind of like this differentiation, just because Porches is super prolific. He puts out tons of music.

• 31:13Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. He's amazing. It's very, I mean, it's extremely up my street.

• 31:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's extremely like, it's kind of grunge. It's like, it's grunge.

• 31:23Yasi Salek?

  It's like light grunge, light grunge.

• 31:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like, again, nonchalant. It's like very, uh, a lot of the songs sound like demos, but it has like this very pure alternative.

• 31:35Yasi Salek?

  I think about me, I love when a song sounds like a demo. I think more songs should sound like demos. I think you guys need to strip it all back.

• 31:42Speaker 04

  I like doing it's raw.

• 31:43Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 31:44Speaker 04

  Nothing is like lamer right now than a big studio rock sound to me.

• 31:52Speaker 04

  I just have to say.

• 31:53Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, it's, I mean.

• 31:54Speaker 04

  It's over.

• 31:55Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I just like, actually, I don't know when I've ever liked that, except when it's like appropriate and like Journey or something.

• 32:04Speaker 04

  Like Guns N' Roses or something. But like, who's, I mean, it's not like The Darkness was doing Guns N' Roses, but they were sort of doing that.

• 32:12Yasi Salek?

  They're doing something.

• 32:13Speaker 04

  But they were self-aware about it.

• 32:14Yasi Salek?

  Eighties hair metal adjacent, yeah.

• 32:17Speaker 04

  But, so this album or mixtape is called Mask. It's very lo-fi. His last sort of overtly produced album, Shirt, came out in 2024, but he's had, in 2025, he had five EP releases. And so he's kind of in this moment in his career that feels like an opening of the floodgates. Like, the early records felt really like, like had a concise vision, like he was being pushed as a certain kind of artist, and now he just seems much more creative and kind of open. Also, he's working with a lot of other people. He co-wrote Jeep on the Kim Petras album, which is one of the big songs of the year.

• 32:56Yasi Salek?

  Jeep is massive.

• 32:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:57Yasi Salek?

  Porches co-wrote that?

• 32:59Speaker 04

  Porches is, I think, one of the best songwriters right now.

• 33:02Yasi Salek?

  Girl?

• 33:02Speaker 04

  Period, point blank.

• 33:04Yasi Salek?

  What? Wow, you're kind of blowing my mind, which is like, would not have thought that Twain would meet, you know?

• 33:09Speaker 04

  He's someone that makes me think of like Beck sometimes, and Kurt Cobain sometimes, and Elliott Smith at other times, Stephen Merritt sometimes, like he has Kim Deal a little bit, like, he is really good with like a hook.

• 33:23Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 33:24Speaker 04

  He has, he writes these earworms, but they're not like cheesy or corny, and they feel emotional and immediate.

• 33:31Yasi Salek?

  I feel like all those artists you described, their like commonality is that they kind of pull more from like, simple 60s rock, instead of like, for example, how do you sell like Billy Corgan, who does like, something much more complicated with the rock, do you know what I'm saying? Not that one is better than the other, but I get what you're saying, like, it's more coming from this sort of like Louis Louis is a perfect pop song school of writing rock music, which I love.

• 33:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 33:58Yasi Salek?

  That's a.

• 33:59Speaker 04

  Louis Louis, sugar, sugar, et cetera.

• 34:01Yasi Salek?

  Dark jeans.

• 34:02Speaker 04

  You know, but I also think that what's important is like, there's so much, we live in such this postmodern, self-reflexive, post-ironic time period.

• 34:13Yasi Salek?

  Post-Chalons.

• 34:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, post-Chalons, post-Malone, and if you will. We live in such a posty time.

• 34:22Yasi Salek?

  We live in such a posty time. You've found me at a very posty time in my life.

• 34:28Speaker 04

  So, being so posty, what I think is remarkable about Porches, and also, this applies to a lot of artists that we're gonna talk about, it's like, he has a 90s alternative.

• 34:41Yasi Salek?

  Sensibility.

• 34:41Speaker 04

  Sensibility, but it's not deliberately nostalgic.

• 34:46Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 34:46Speaker 04

  It feels completely instinctive and, like happening now, and happening just sort of like by pure instinct and pure coincidence of having like that same similar worldview and outlook. Do you know what I mean? It doesn't feel like it's pandering.

• 35:02Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 35:02Speaker 04

  To an old sound, it feels new.

• 35:05Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 35:06Speaker 04

  But it fits in with that. And this is like part of my whole grudge I have against modern rock radio, which like, not to get into that, but we've talked about this, in the like, we should take over K-Rock conversations we've had, but like, you know, sometimes when I go back up to the Bay Area, I'll be like, oh, what's on Live 105? And Live 105 was like the big modern rock radio station, and I put it on and it's like, no offense, it's great and whatever, but it's like still the Offspring and Stone Temple Pilots and Sublime, and you're like, oh, you never moved on. But then it will be like an Imagine Dragons song, and I'm like, they don't get it, like, modern rock radio has fallen out of touch with what like new alternative music is.

• 35:44Yasi Salek?

  Definitely.

• 35:44Speaker 04

  Do you know what I'm saying?

• 35:45Yasi Salek?

  Someone called me, and I won't name names, but, because they were driving and heard K-Rock come on, and they heard someone describe, um, what is Taylor Momsen's?

• 35:57Speaker 04

  The Pretty Reckless.

• 35:58Yasi Salek?

  That's right.

• 36:01Yasi Salek?

  Band come on and said it was like, the new Hole or something, like the disc jockey said that, and my friend like nearly like crashed his automobile and like literally called me to like, voice complaint.

• 36:16Speaker 04

  Have you ever had that experience where you almost crashed because you hear something on the radio?

• 36:20Yasi Salek?

  Because I see red, because I'm so angry? No.

• 36:22Speaker 04

  It happened to me once, and it was when Anna Nicole Smith died.

• 36:25Yasi Salek?

  Oh.

• 36:26Speaker 04

  I swerved on the freeway.

• 36:28Yasi Salek?

  You were so.

• 36:28Speaker 04

  I lost control.

• 36:31Yasi Salek?

  I've said.

• 36:31Speaker 04

  I was, I shouldn't laugh, I was screaming, I was devastated.

• 36:34Yasi Salek?

  It was really sad.

• 36:36Speaker 04

  All right, that's my whole year in review, and then, unless you want to talk about Charlie and Slater and all that.

• 36:41Yasi Salek?

  Well, we, we talked about this off-mic, but just like, as like an overarching thing, like, I mean, we say best, but we're talking about favorites, and we're also talking about, I think a great goal of this podcast, or my goal anyways, referring back to me with the sandwich board, asking people if they have a moment to talk about Fiddlehead, is that like, I just, I would prefer to introduce people to things, hopefully, or like.

• 37:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:05Yasi Salek?

  You know, spread the good word, and so, like, I don't think we're gonna spend a great deal of time talking about the Charlie album, which we both love, I've, I think it's my favorite Charlie album, like, to date, which is kind of a crazy thing to say, but I'm pretty sure it is. Or the Phoebe Bridgers album, or like the Slater album, these are like really big albums, so I don't think we need to like spend a lot of time talking about them, I think most people are aware.

• 37:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:30Yasi Salek?

  So, I think we are gonna focus on other things.

• 37:34Speaker 04

  Okay, cool.

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• 39:05Yasi Salek?

  The first thing I would like to focus on is the band Ceremony. Roner Park's finest. Real heads know, this is their seventh album that came out this, I don't know, August 7th, I think, it's called Tell Me Your Dream. It's so good. I feel like this band, it's kind of from your neck of the woods.

• 39:26Speaker 04

  It's actually insane.

• 39:27Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. Has gone through like, multiple iterations since they started, which was like over 20 years ago now, and they've, you know, they're hardcore, they've done, you know, kind of art punk, they've done just a bunch of different sort of like, versions of themselves as a good band does, you know, grows and changes. And then, this album is somehow like all of those things in one, like they are revisiting everything, but then also kind of bringing it up to date, up to speed of the present.

• 40:02Speaker 04

  It has a singular sound, this album, though, too. It's not like it jumps all over the place.

• 40:05Yasi Salek?

  No, no, like, it's cohesive, it's definitely cohesive. I am particularly obsessed with Dark Summer, but also, I mean, I love all of the songs on here. Paradise, which is the last song, is so, they really like climb right into their Joy Division bag, but it's like also like Joy Division smoked a bunch of weed, and was like just a bit more chill vibes, you know? If Joy Division was just a little less uptight.

• 40:39Speaker 04

  Are they named after Joy Division songs?

• 40:41Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 40:42Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 40:42Yasi Salek?

  And Anthony Anzaldo, the guitarist of this band, has been on this podcast twice, wants to do the Joy Division episode and wants to do Prince's Purple Rain. But yeah, I love Ceremony. I think they're wonderful and I really love this album.

• 40:57Speaker 04

  For whatever reason, Antenna was my favorite song on the record.

• 41:00Yasi Salek?

  Antenna's really good.

• 41:02Speaker 04

  It's very fun.

• 41:03Yasi Salek?

  More, a little more new wavey, like dark summer. Yeah. Other Hells is great too. Like, some of it sounds like oi punk a little bit. Like, it's just, it's great.

• 41:11Speaker 04

  What's really crazy to me is that they're from Roanoke Park and I don't know anything about them.

• 41:15Yasi Salek?

  I'm surprised that you guys haven't.

• 41:18Speaker 04

  I know. Like, I need to know how old they all are because I feel like we were probably in the same punk scene.

• 41:25Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 41:26Speaker 04

  I'm like, I don't recognize any of you girls from the Phoenix Theater.

• 41:29Yasi Salek?

  I think they're a couple of years younger than me. So maybe five years younger than me? I might be wrong. I should know that. Fun fact.

• 41:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 41:36Yasi Salek?

  Anthony Anzaldo is the cousin of Bethany Cosentino, who made the theme song of this podcast.

• 41:44Speaker 04

  Is she from up there too?

• 41:45Yasi Salek?

  No, she's from, uh, right over here at Glendale area.

• 41:49Speaker 04

  Well, I worked at Video Droid in Roanoke Park and Catati in high school, which was the video store that was all punks working there, including myself. So I wonder if they ever came in.

• 42:03Yasi Salek?

  Well, we can ask them.

• 42:04Speaker 04

  Hello again.

• 42:05Yasi Salek?

  They can't answer right now because they're not.

• 42:07Speaker 04

  Hello?

• 42:07Yasi Salek?

  It's not being broadcast live on the airwaves, but, um, okay, what do you have?

• 42:11Speaker 04

  Um, and their music actually is, it has like kind of a double weirdness to me because it's like also the kind of music that I was obsessed with in high school at that time when I lived there.

• 42:22Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 42:22Speaker 04

  You know?

• 42:22Yasi Salek?

  But I don't, I don't know if their first iterations were really like your thing.

• 42:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:27Yasi Salek?

  You know?

• 42:28Speaker 04

  Cause they were more hardcore.

• 42:29Yasi Salek?

  More hardcore, yeah. They're really like.

• 42:31Speaker 04

  It's too gay for that.

• 42:32Yasi Salek?

  They're really like a seminal band, I think, for the like current resurgence of hardcore we're experiencing. I feel like Ceremony was really, really like upfront there, you know?

• 42:43Speaker 04

  Okay. My first Q3 pick is, it's an EP. Frost Children dropped an EP called Tweak or Poem. Great title.

• 42:55Yasi Salek?

  Gorgeous.

• 42:56Speaker 04

  Um, they had a really good album last year called Sisters. They are sisters themselves, Angel and Lulu Prost, originally from Kentucky, I think.

• 43:05Yasi Salek?

  Missouri.

• 43:06Speaker 04

  Um.

• 43:07Yasi Salek?

  St. Louis?

• 43:08Speaker 04

  Yes, Kentucky, St. Louis, which is almost the same as Cody, who's Kentucky, Kansas City. Anyway, um, they've worked substantially with Kim Petras recently. I think most people know them by now, but I genuinely find them to be pioneers. They've created a stylistic breakthrough that somehow blends mall punk, uh, emo, hard style and EDM. It's like a maximalist crazy sound, you know? I like when something feels genuinely new. I feel like they have sort of in recent years helped carve that path.

• 43:48Speaker 04

  Maybe sort of tangentially along the same lines as Hundred Gecs.

• 43:55Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. Does Hundred Gecs predate them? Yes.

• 43:58Speaker 04

  Maybe.

• 43:59Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. It's all, they're all the children of Skrillex, really, if you're gonna, if we're gonna be honest.

• 44:05Speaker 04

  Yeah. And I, I sort of like, you know, there's like, um, the, the Mark Fisher quote about the 2000s where he was like, the slow cancellation of the future has been accompanied by a deflation of expectations. Like, I think that's why it's so thrilling when you hear something that feels actually like future bending in a way. It reminds me of how I felt when I first heard like Elite Gymnastics or Salem or bands like that. That like take, or like One Oh, Trix Point Never.

• 44:35Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 44:36Speaker 04

  Where it's like, oh, this is electronic and it's, it's like pastiche and it's crazy, but it somehow feels like now, it doesn't feel like it could have existed at any other time.

• 44:45Yasi Salek?

  Definitely.

• 44:46Speaker 04

  Which I think is great.

• 44:48Yasi Salek?

  Okay, love that. I haven't actually spent a lot of time with Frost Children, but, um, it feels for me a little like, Grandma, let's get you to bed hours. Like I'm like, like if I try to put it on, like, I'm gonna get arrested by the FBI for.

• 45:03Speaker 04

  They have a thing that I love, which is like a very Tom DeLonge kind of shrill emo.

• 45:09Yasi Salek?

  Say no more.

• 45:10Speaker 04

  Melodic vocal.

• 45:11Yasi Salek?

  We'll be listening on the drive home. That's all you had to say.

• 45:14Speaker 04

  So it's like, that really major to me.

• 45:16Yasi Salek?

  All you had to say was Tom DeLonge and I'm on my way. Okay. My next thing is, have you heard this band Wild Pink?

• 45:25Speaker 04

  Yes, because.

• 45:26Yasi Salek?

  Because you, I told you about it.

• 45:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:27Yasi Salek?

  Um, Shawde DeSouza, friend of the pod, told me about it. Um, it's, uh, well, I think it's just one guy, songwriter John Ross. This is like not really up your alley, but this like, it's kind of what you were saying before where like, you're not really into like Americana. Like this lives in like MJ Lenderman's neighborhood.

• 45:47Speaker 04

  I like Americana though.

• 45:49Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 45:49Speaker 04

  Like I love Lana Del Rey. Like I love War on Drugs. Like there are bands that have a kind of louder sound that I do go for.

• 45:57Yasi Salek?

  This is like a little like Silver Jews adjacent, you know, like it's like Bruce Springsteen, but sadder.

• 46:06Speaker 04

  I really liked it.

• 46:07Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, it's great.

• 46:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:08Yasi Salek?

  I, I love it.

• 46:08Speaker 04

  I put it on and was sort of like, hmm, I don't know. And then I was like doing the kombucha girl face. I was, you know what I mean? I was like.

• 46:14Yasi Salek?

  We were talking earlier about things that like maybe don't immediately grab you, especially because it's a bit subtle, but like.

• 46:19Speaker 04

  It's really good.

• 46:20Yasi Salek?

  I listened to it when, when, uh, recently we took a honeymoon to the UK, um, Patrick and I, and one day, um, you wanted to stay in the hotel and, and, uh, write your Substack and I was like, I need to hit the streets. And I put this album on and walked like two miles in like the beautiful sunny Edinburgh day and it was like, really.

• 46:41Speaker 04

  Nature.

• 46:41Yasi Salek?

  Really awesome. But yeah, I love it. Uh, Box Store is kind of my go-to track, but, um, it's, it's truly like an album that you should listen to as an album, like as one work, because it works really well that way. I'm a big fan of Wild Pink.

• 47:09Yasi Salek?

  It is an interesting name because it, do you remember in the, do you remember in the 2000s, mid, the mid 2000s where like every band had the word black or wolf in it?

• 47:22Speaker 04

  And this is like Wild Nothing, Ariel Pink.

• 47:24Yasi Salek?

  A hundred percent where I'm like, yeah, I'm just like a little bit like, oh no, are we, is Wild and Pink the new black and wolf? We'll see.

• 47:31Speaker 04

  Well, I thought of the 90s made for television movie Friends Till the End starring Shannon Doherty.

• 47:38Yasi Salek?

  You've talked, you guys, I just want you to know, this is not the first time Patrick has spoken to me about this film.

• 47:44Speaker 04

  You guys, it's a really good rock movie that everyone needs to see. Shannon Doherty plays a sorority girl with an alternative rock band. And her sorority sister who becomes her backup singer and then steals her boyfriend and steals her band. It's like a single white female and her band in the movie, which the music is actually good. It kind of sounds like Natalie Merchant. It's called Dead Pink. Anyway.

• 48:10Yasi Salek?

  Tell you that's what.

• 48:10Speaker 04

  That's what, that was what I thought of when I saw Wild Pink.

• 48:13Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 48:14Speaker 04

  Probably not what they were going for.

• 48:15Yasi Salek?

  Maybe John Ross is a huge fan of that made for TV movie as well.

• 48:19Speaker 04

  He would be, anybody would be with eyes and ears and a brain.

• 48:24Yasi Salek?

  What's your next pick, Patrick?

• 48:26Speaker 04

  In the interest of discovery and wanting to talk about someone who is not on everyone's radar, I want to bring up Josh DeCosta, who came out with an album called New Wave Graveyard. And, uh, it's like a, just like a pure ray of sunshine.

• 48:44Yasi Salek?

  It's really good.

• 48:45Speaker 04

  I've known Josh for a long time. He was like very around and a participant in the kind of Glasslands adjacent Brooklyn culture around the time of like Ford and Low Patton and Teen Girl Fantasy and all those people. He's played in MGMT. Uh, he's played with Jessica Pratt, I think. Drug dealer. He had a band called Regal Deagle and then another band called Come On, C-M-O-N, which is confusing mix of nations.

• 49:19Yasi Salek?

  So good.

• 49:20Speaker 04

  He's sort of, he's psychedelic. He makes this very like pure, unadulterated, skin burning, flesh melting, like,

• 49:31Speaker 04

  like happy.

• 49:32Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. It's very like sundrenched. I was really, what, I wasn't expecting it from you, to be honest.

• 49:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, Gloom and Doom over here.

• 49:41Yasi Salek?

  What? But I loved it. Also, I love, this is neither here nor there, but I love that he's on Stone's Throw. I think that's really cool.

• 49:48Speaker 04

  He cited as a reference, which I think is like very important, the theme song of The Adventures of Pete and Pete.

• 49:54Yasi Salek?

  I have that DVD on my stool.

• 49:55Speaker 04

  And this is, it does have the same vibe.

• 49:58Yasi Salek?

  It's really good. I highly recommend it. It's a great, like, it's a great, like, last days of summer album, like.

• 50:04Speaker 04

  It fits in with like the kind of hypnagogic pop, like.

• 50:08Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, totally.

• 50:09Speaker 04

  Like weirdo music, but it's also like, just, it has like a very kind of pure songwriting to it. It's very straightforward and very hooky and addictive and like, it's just a good vibe.

• 50:20Yasi Salek?

  Boy, it's a good vibe. Exactly. My next pick is an EP from Izzy Wood, friend of the pod, but also one of my favorite artists. She put out her seventh EP with the same title, which I'm obsessed with, The Blame Part Seven.

• 50:39Speaker 04

  Amazing.

• 50:39Yasi Salek?

  It's like, she's just, I just really like, well, I think we're gonna talk about it when we get to Black Bananas as well. But I'm a real sucker for like wonky R&B, like altered R&B. You know, like through just like a different, completely different lens. And this is kind of that. It's like very like wonky, lopsided, but like cool, off kilter R&B with the funniest and most clever lyrics, which I think when you do clever lyrics, we talked about her on the UK episode as well. But I think when you do clever lyrics, like you, you have to really ride a thin line, right? Because you can get into Joe Kahha town.

• 51:24Speaker 04

  Weird Al mode.

• 51:25Yasi Salek?

  Totally. Which again, I love Weird Al, but that's, we're doing a bit of a different thing, right?

• 51:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 51:29Yasi Salek?

  I don't want musical comedy. I won't name names, but you know who I'm thinking about.

• 51:34Speaker 04

  You know who pulls it off? Sparks.

• 51:36Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, great. Great, great example. But like this, this is just a four song EP, but the first song is called Ketosis and the first lyrics are.

• 51:45Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 51:45Yasi Salek?

  I was in ketosis when you met me. Regret on my breath and I hadn't cried in 10 weeks. Quietly wondering if there's more to life than protein.

• 52:02Yasi Salek?

  It's just good. One of the songs is called,

• 52:03Speaker 04

  Relatable.

• 52:04Yasi Salek?

  I'm not a bad friend. I'm just depressed. Like, these are great. And I, I love listening to them. I think they're also like, really sexy somehow. Like, the way that like, someone really funny is sexy. Do you know what I mean?

• 52:17Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 52:18Yasi Salek?

  I'm a big fan. Um, so that is my entry into

• 52:23Yasi Salek?

  my Q3 faves is you want the blame part seven.

• 52:26Speaker 04

  Great. I want to talk about Chanel beads. Um, their new album, Your Day Will Come, is very excellent. It's also their last album was called Your Day Will Come.

• 52:38Yasi Salek?

  Very the blame part.

• 52:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, we have a lot of album naming, um, breakthroughs happening. But I like that album title because it can be optimistic or threatening.

• 52:47Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 52:48Speaker 04

  You know?

• 52:49Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 52:49Speaker 04

  Like, what are you saying to me?

• 52:51Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 52:53Speaker 04

  Chanel beads is a guy named Shane Laver. I think I'm saying that right. He takes a lot of like analog, scratchy indie rock sounds that I've honestly sort of abandoned personally in my own listening.

• 53:08Yasi Salek?

  In your own music.

• 53:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, but he mutates them into this, these like melodic, artful, scummy pop dirges.

• 53:16Yasi Salek?

  It's awesome. It's like, it's like sound collage a little bit. It, can I be honest? This is so embarrassing. Well, when I would first see people talking about Chanel beans, I was like, that's, oh, well, that's rap music. Just based on the name.

• 53:28Speaker 04

  Oh, my god.

• 53:29Yasi Salek?

  And not that I don't like rap music, but I just, I tend to not like engage too much with contemporary rap music. And so I just skipped it for way too long. And then I listened, I was like, why didn't you guys tell me?

• 53:38Speaker 04

  I think some people were also like, oh, it's like a dime square thing.

• 53:42Yasi Salek?

  Is it?

• 53:43Speaker 04

  I have no idea, to be honest.

• 53:44Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 53:47Speaker 04

  I do think that we have mutual friends, from what I've heard.

• 53:50Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 53:50Speaker 04

  Um, but I just really, I like, I put the album in the mix and it's really emerged as like a incredible record that I listen to all the time.

• 53:59Yasi Salek?

  I really like it.

• 54:00Speaker 04

  Addicted to it. I love it. He reminds me a little bit of like Dean Blunt, Elias, Ronan Feld.

• 54:07Yasi Salek?

  We ride hard for that.

• 54:09Speaker 04

  World.

• 54:09Yasi Salek?

  Collab on this, on this, your podcast. I can't, I'm so delighted by naming your debut album and your second album the same name. Like, it's bringing me so much joy right now.

• 54:20Speaker 04

  Like, why not?

• 54:21Yasi Salek?

  Why not?

• 54:22Speaker 04

  Keep it going.

• 54:22Yasi Salek?

  Talk about nonchalant. Talk about who gives a fuck?

• 54:25Speaker 04

  Talking about comedy and music, I think having a song called JBL in the fireplace is also just like hysterical.

• 54:32Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 54:33Speaker 04

  There's something really hedonistic about it. It kind of indulges like the best and worst aspects of your personality, but it's like also orchestrally so rich and unique and peculiar.

• 54:44Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 54:44Speaker 04

  Really fun.

• 54:45Yasi Salek?

  Good word. Really like it.

• 54:56Yasi Salek?

  It's really great music to put on when you're, I, I don't know what, what the best, better word is than when you're just trying to vibe. When you're like, cleaning your room or like folding laundry or like, you know, walking, like something that, that is like, you want to get into sort of a state. Like, I wouldn't put on while I'm working, for example. Like, if you're just trying to be like in this like zone, it really gets you into a different state of being, which I really like.

• 55:23Speaker 04

  It's great in the car.

• 55:25Yasi Salek?

  Great in the car.

• 55:26Speaker 04

  Great. All these albums are good in the car, which is the test.

• 55:29Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. My next record, and I was wondering what you thought of it, because I actually thought you might like it, is the Sweeping Promises album. It's called You Say I Romanticize. It's a duo and it's like,

• 55:43Speaker 04

  I didn't get to this one.

• 55:44Yasi Salek?

  That's totally okay. It's very like joyful, but raw, like, we love stiff records.

• 55:53Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 55:54Yasi Salek?

  You know what I mean?

• 55:54Speaker 04

  Oh, cool.

• 55:55Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, like, I think you would really like it. Like, it's fucking good. It's, this is, again, it's not electro clash, but dance punk is such like a rich and ancient tradition, like Gang of Four, like all the things that came. And I, and I feel like it lives a bit in that world.

• 56:10Speaker 04

  Or something?

• 56:10Yasi Salek?

  It doesn't, it sounds a little more like Gang of Four to me than ESG, but on, on that spectrum, I really, but it is female vocals.

• 56:17Speaker 04

  There's something, um,

• 56:19Yasi Salek?

  Amish, there's something afoot.

• 56:21Speaker 04

  Oh, I was gonna say, there's something the slits adjacent about that.

• 56:23Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. I really like the album. I really like My Friends and Entomologist, which is also a wonderful song title. And I love the album art because I think it's fucking awesome. It's not

• 56:37Yasi Salek?

  exactly, but it is living next door to Lisa Frank, Dapper Keeper.

• 56:41Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 56:41Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, the, the, just the artwork.

• 56:43Speaker 04

  The visuals.

• 56:43Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, it's very, uh, it's like the bedspread I had in, when I was a kid in the nineties. Looks a bit like this. Do you know what I'm talking about? There was like a, it was a primary colors, uh, black and white background, but then the primary colors were these shapes all over.

• 56:58Speaker 04

  Geometric.

• 56:59Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. Did you have this bedspread as well?

• 57:01Speaker 04

  It's almost like it's post Memphis Milano.

• 57:04Yasi Salek?

  One million percent.

• 57:05Speaker 04

  I'm trying, there's not like one artist. It's not like Patrick Nagel where you can be like, that's like that.

• 57:09Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 57:10Speaker 04

  It's like an old thing.

• 57:11Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 57:12Speaker 04

  Okay. Are we ready to get earnest? Ready to get serious?

• 57:17Yasi Salek?

  Is Ernest going to camp, babe? Because I'm so ready.

• 57:19Speaker 04

  Ernest is going to camp. Ernest is scared stupid. Ernest Hemingway is drunk.

• 57:26Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 57:26Speaker 04

  Um, which is me talking about Black Marble.

• 57:31Yasi Salek?

  Black Marble is really good.

• 57:32Speaker 04

  Chris Stewart, who is Black Marble, is one of my favorite musicians of all time, ever. Never lets me down. This is my favorite album of the year, number one. I'm sorry, Madonna. I love Madonna. Madonna, you're number two. I got one thing that's my thing. And that's,

• 57:49Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 57:49Speaker 04

  That's Black Marble for me. He can be categorized, not surprisingly, as, to me, as like kind of post New Order.

• 57:59Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 58:00Speaker 04

  Like, in terms of the melodic songwriting and what he does, the bass melodies, um, the kind of overall attitude and philosophy and tone of it.

• 58:11Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 58:12Speaker 04

  Feels like a little taken from New Order's rib, Joy Division's rib, if you will.

• 58:17Yasi Salek?

  Playing, playing in New Order's pussy.

• 58:18Speaker 04

  Yeah. I discovered Black Marble back in the day when he had an album called A Different Arrangement. And there was sort of like a, like a Brooklyn electronic milieu back then of bands like Blank Dogs. Do you remember them?

• 58:39Yasi Salek?

  No.

• 58:39Speaker 04

  Okay. Um, or like Light Asylum.

• 58:42Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I definitely, I interviewed Light Asylum, great band.

• 58:45Speaker 04

  And I feel like Black Marble must have been playing around back then, but I don't know. It didn't like necessarily like hook in with me even till, but then I heard this album. And it just like frankly changed my life. And every album he's made since then has been a total masterpiece. Like, I don't think he's ever had a bad record.

• 59:02Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 59:03Speaker 04

  What he does is also, you could sort of lump it in with like Cold Wave in a way, but it's almost like if Cold Wave was like warm. And it's like,

• 59:14Yasi Salek?

  Uh huh.

• 59:14Speaker 04

  Do you know what I mean?

• 59:15Yasi Salek?

  It's cold wave.

• 59:16Speaker 04

  Frosty.

• 59:16Yasi Salek?

  No, I was gonna say, I'm kind of surprised it's characterized as Cold Wave because to me it doesn't have that metallic

• 59:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:22Yasi Salek?

  sense to it, you know, sensibility or whatever.

• 59:24Speaker 04

  I think it's just like heavily synth based.

• 59:26Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 59:27Speaker 04

  And, um,

• 59:28Yasi Salek?

  But it, it is more in that New Order lineage where it's like, it just kind of makes you want to like dance and be in love, you know?

• 59:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:37Yasi Salek?

  Not, not in the sun drenched way of Josh DeCosta we're talking about. It's kind of different. That's a little, slightly more hippie vibe.

• 59:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:43Yasi Salek?

  Like, as you would say, smoking weed in Golden Gate Park vibe. And this is not that, but it does, it has like a more rich, like, life is a rich tapestry.

• 59:53Speaker 04

  It's like heavily emotional to me.

• 59:55Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 59:56Speaker 04

  And it's like, it has like kind of an urban attitude, but it has this like suburban teenage cigarette stained nostalgia to it, you know? And like, he does, he has these arrangements that he does, like his, the like orchestral quality of it, of the way that he layers the synths and which synths he uses and what he does with them and how they combine that is so unique to him. No one else sounds like it. And every time I hear it, it like just does something to like my soul, like destroys me.

• 1:00:29Yasi Salek?

  It's so phenomenal. And I, I went back and listened to every album. Also, the like murderers row of labels that he's been released on are, is so amazing.

• 1:00:41Speaker 04

  I don't even pay attention to that.

• 1:00:43Yasi Salek?

  Hardly art, ghostly international and sacred bones. Like, these are like some of the coolest labels we have. I was, anyways, it's great. This new album is so amazing. I like, almost didn't want to listen to the rest of your list because I was like busy listening to this. And I was like, no, I just want to keep listening.

• 1:01:02Speaker 04

  No, I'll, I'll listen to it forever. It's like driving around at night, listening to Black Marble is the most romantic thing you can do with yourself.

• 1:01:09Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:09Speaker 04

  In your life. And being in a long-term relationship with him, like I am parasocially through music as a fan is like so fulfilling. Like, on this album, there's little flourishes he does and things that call back to his old songs in these very sly ways. So it's just like,

• 1:01:28Speaker 04

  so, and it has like a punk essence, which I think is what I like about it too. It doesn't like, it's not, for all of its bells and whistles, it's not very like flowery. It's very straightforward and kind of cuts to the bone, I feel.

• 1:01:40Yasi Salek?

  It's so funny because if this was like five guys.

• 1:01:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:44Yasi Salek?

  It would probably be massive.

• 1:01:47Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 1:01:47Yasi Salek?

  Do you know what I mean? If it was like five skinny guys and like, with like a cool look, like if they look like my age. And they made this music.

• 1:01:56Speaker 04

  Like the horrors.

• 1:01:57Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, it would be like, like massive. And instead, it's not that big, you know, even though it should be.

• 1:02:04Speaker 04

  I want to say that the singles, this is an interesting thing with this record. The singles he released for are not my favorite songs on the record. So Get Back Up, I think, might be the best song on the record, but Missing History also does something psychotic to me. Uh, so, anyway, that's it. Cut me open and I bleed Black Marble.

• 1:02:25Yasi Salek?

  It unlocks you.

• 1:02:26Speaker 04

  If any of you really want to know me deeply, listen to this band.

• 1:02:39Speaker 04

  I don't think I said the title of the album.

• 1:02:41Yasi Salek?

  Oh, yeah, please.

• 1:02:42Speaker 04

  It's called Life in Small Spaces.

• 1:02:43Yasi Salek?

  Life in Small Spaces.

• 1:02:44Speaker 04

  If you guys are looking it up.

• 1:02:45Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:45Speaker 04

  Sorry.

• 1:02:46Yasi Salek?

  I didn't say that. It's really good. Um, my next one, The Afghan Wigs. The Afghan Wigs put out an album called Soft Control. As you guys know, I am a long and deep Afghan Wigs fan. I love them. Someone came for me in one of our little cute bands playing memes that said that I was 10 years old, listening to the Afghan Wigs, thinking I knew about alcoholic situationships. And they were like, no one listens to the Afghan Wigs when they're 10. I did, bitch. Okay? I had an older cousin with a cool boyfriend and I was very precocious and very depressed. So.

• 1:03:23Speaker 04

  I have to say something.

• 1:03:24Yasi Salek?

  Tell me.

• 1:03:25Speaker 04

  I have a giant blind spot with the Afghan Wigs.

• 1:03:28Yasi Salek?

  You would?

• 1:03:28Speaker 04

  I know nothing.

• 1:03:29Yasi Salek?

  I actually really like them.

• 1:03:31Speaker 04

  I know they're very famous, very old, long-running band. I don't know anything else.

• 1:03:37Yasi Salek?

  Well, do I have a podcast for you?

• 1:03:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:03:40Yasi Salek?

  They're incredible.

• 1:03:41Speaker 04

  So you can do Afghan Wigs for dummies for me if you like.

• 1:03:44Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, they're from Cincinnati. They started actually in the like mid 80s, like 86. But I think they're kind of known as a 90s band because I think that's when they really like hit, hit. Um, it's very, they're not grunge. They are something totally different. It's this very like blues and rock owing like whiskey guy at a bar, smoking a thousand cigarettes, lamenting music. But it's, it's amazing. They're, they're, they have a, I mean, they go kind of all over the place.

• 1:04:21Speaker 04

  Do they have a big hit? Or like an album that's like The Album?

• 1:04:26Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. The Album is Gentleman, 1993. And it has, I mean, I guess like, maybe everyone would have a different, they probably had like something that was more akin to a radio hit. But for me, their biggest song is probably Fountain in Fairfax. I just like, I said this on the podcast, which we did with Chris Ryan, who's also a huge Afghan Wigs fan. They don't make men like this anymore. He's like a square jawed, like, well, I don't know what he does anymore. Back then it was like hard drinking, hard smoking, like a man's man who would like write these like, you know, loves, love-lorn songs about like dysfunctional relationships. Really incredible stuff.

• 1:05:08Yasi Salek?

  And, but they've made also like really cool, like their late 90s output.

• 1:05:13Speaker 04

  They're like psychedelic adjacent?

• 1:05:15Yasi Salek?

  Not really. Like they got a little more poppy. They've like kind of jumped all around.

• 1:05:20Speaker 04

  They're like Rock Rock.

• 1:05:21Yasi Salek?

  They're like Rock Rock. They, they recorded New Orleans, New Orleans, New Orleans. I'm absolutely not doing them any justice describing them, but go listen to the bands playing episode. I'm a huge fan. Greg Julie, who's the name of the singer, he had a project with Mark Lanigan from Screaming Trees called The Gutter Twins. It's amazing. There was, he also had a project called The Twilight Singers that I really love. It's more electronic kind of bass. It's awesome.

• 1:05:48Speaker 04

  Sounds familiar.

• 1:05:49Yasi Salek?

  Um.

• 1:05:50Speaker 04

  There's something to be said for these bands that have been around for a long time that are still putting good records out. It's not that common.

• 1:05:55Yasi Salek?

  It's not that common. And I was like.

• 1:05:57Speaker 04

  And when it happens, it's a little bit like a miracle.

• 1:06:00Yasi Salek?

  Absolutely. I was not expecting to like the album. We heard a few of the songs because Chris and I went to see them play earlier this year and they played a couple and I was like, wow, these are good. And then when the album came out in August, I listened through and I was like, fucking amazing. And it's not, I think it's like that magic trick of not trying to like relive your past glory and just recreate it. But also not completely abandoning what was part of your DNA that made people like you. Do you know what I mean? It's like a fine balancing trick.

• 1:06:35Speaker 04

  Because there are other bands that are some of the greatest bands of all time to me who are putting out new records. And I'm like, I'm going to pretend this didn't happen.

• 1:06:42Yasi Salek?

  Like Garbageel.

• 1:06:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:44Yasi Salek?

  Like you're, you're sullying your legacy. Please stop.

• 1:06:46Speaker 04

  And it's like, sure, you don't always want to do the same sound forever, but like, would it kill you if the sound was good to like keep, hang on to a little bit of reverb?

• 1:06:54Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, totally. But yeah, it's, it just, this one, this just sounds like a soft, I mean, soft is in the title, but it sounds like a softened, matured version of kind of what we loved about their earlier stuff. Like it's, it's really great. There's a song called Memphis, Texas. It's, I mean, his, his vocals still sound incredible.

• 1:07:27Speaker 04

  He does sound good. And that's another aspect of it.

• 1:07:29Yasi Salek?

  That you, you can maintain your vocal quality.

• 1:07:31Speaker 04

  When we went to see The Cure, it's like Robert sounds the exact same that he's always sounded.

• 1:07:35Yasi Salek?

  And I guess that that really depends on what kind of singer you are, like, you know, what range you sing in. And there's, there's certain types of singing that are much easier to maintain throughout your lifetime than like, if you're hitting like really high notes or whatever, you just like Axl Rose can't do that anymore. You know, that's because he was doing something completely different.

• 1:07:55Speaker 04

  I'm basically at the point where everyone else I want to talk about their albums have not come out yet.

• 1:07:59Yasi Salek?

  Okay, so I'll list a couple more albums.

• 1:08:01Speaker 04

  Do you want to talk about like Black Bananas?

• 1:08:03Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, let's talk about Black Bananas. Yeah, but this, I have a little trio here that'll work with Afghan Wigs. So Black Bananas is the project of Jennifer Haremah, co-founder of Royal Trucks. We're obviously, to no one's surprise, huge fans of Royal Trucks. And this is her project with.

• 1:08:23Speaker 04

  Her husband Kurt.

• 1:08:24Yasi Salek?

  Her husband Kurt, thank you. And this is their third album, is that right?

• 1:08:30Speaker 04

  It all blurs for me.

• 1:08:32Yasi Salek?

  Under Black Bananas.

• 1:08:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, because like, and I know Royal Trucks is obviously huge and important, but like personally RTX changed my life.

• 1:08:40Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:40Speaker 04

  Like RTX was like, Trans Maniacon was out when I first met Jennifer.

• 1:08:46Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:47Speaker 04

  And I fucking love that record. It has like Heavy Gator, Speed to Rome, Speed to Rome.

• 1:08:54Yasi Salek?

  Heavy Gator also really fucking good.

• 1:08:57Speaker 04

  Is Red also a really good song? Um, RTX became Black Bananas essentially, but to me, they're kind of the same band. Two sides of the same coin.

• 1:09:10Yasi Salek?

  So Black Bananas, to, to, again, back to what I was kind of saying when I was talking about Izzy, although they sound very different, is that to me, this album sounds, it's so cool, it's so weird. It sounds like a cool ghost is singing you R and B music through a transistor radio. Like it's not on the radio, it's coming from another realm and you're simply experiencing it through your transistor radio. That's what it sounds like to me, this album. And it's so awesome.

• 1:09:36Speaker 04

  It's like, you don't know what to expect, but you do. If you know, you know, but it's like, even if you know, you forget. It's like I put the Black Bananas record on and I'm just like, oh yeah, Jennifer's so like, she loves to be so like mechanical. It's like, it sounds like Transformers. It sounds like Terminator 2.

• 1:09:55Yasi Salek?

  But it also sounds like James Brown. Like it's like, like, I don't know how to explain that it's somehow both of those things.

• 1:10:02Speaker 04

  And it's also like, people talk about indie sleaze, they don't know the real sleaze. This is sleaze sleaze, honey. Yeah, the original sleaze. It's like, this is sleazy. Her voice has this like mutant quality to it. It's very psychedelic.

• 1:10:18Yasi Salek?

  I can't wait.

• 1:10:19Speaker 04

  You know?

• 1:10:19Yasi Salek?

  And I can't wait to, for our conversation with her, which will be after this, after this rundown.

• 1:10:25Speaker 04

  Also, like, if you don't know Royal Trucks or you don't know Jennifer, Jennifer is like, to me, like the original, it's like Courtney is grunge, but Jennifer is like the real grunge almost.

• 1:10:34Yasi Salek?

  She's like the original bad girl.

• 1:10:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:36Yasi Salek?

  You know, like, it's, I mean, it's not even great. It's like something so.

• 1:10:41Speaker 04

  She's like Eileen Wuornos.

• 1:10:42Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, it's so singular, like, I think you could dress.

• 1:10:46Speaker 04

  Ripped up denim, fur coats.

• 1:10:48Yasi Salek?

  The way that she has been dressing since day one, you could have worn it any moment from then on and looked modern.

• 1:10:57Speaker 04

  The ultimate fashion icon.

• 1:10:59Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, like you can wear ripped up jeans and big fur and big sunglasses and like her hair with the bangs in any decade and people will be like, yeah, you look cool as hell. Like it would never feel out of place.

• 1:11:08Speaker 04

  Like, and she was famously shot by Steven Mizell for like Calvin Klein campaign that was like, started heroin chic, which is very funny.

• 1:11:17Yasi Salek?

  It's crazy.

• 1:11:18Speaker 04

  Also, like a favorite Jennifer story of mine is that my friend Robert, who's a huge Royal Trucks fan, was like fanning out because she was at this party that we were throwing at Lipo Lounge in Chinatown, I'm pretty sure. And he was, she was playing or something and he was like, it was like an igneous, insane, like hot sweltering oven in that basement.

• 1:11:40Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:41Speaker 04

  Like it was, everyone was drenched in sweat, like always. It was like the hottest basement. You couldn't be down there for too long. And she was wearing two fur coats on top of each other in the basement. And Robert said to her like, how the hell are you wearing these fur coats down here? It's like a million degrees. And she went, you just gotta stay cool. Classic.

• 1:12:03Yasi Salek?

  Incredible.

• 1:12:04Speaker 04

  Classic Jennifer. But this album, it's like, it's rock, it's like metal sometimes. It's like funk and soul.

• 1:12:11Yasi Salek?

  It's definitely funk and soul.

• 1:12:12Speaker 04

  It's future.

• 1:12:13Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:14Speaker 04

  Crazy. I wrote down Jennifer is the fucking, like, Will I Am of Sunset Beach. Like I need Jennifer Haremah and Will I Am in the studio together.

• 1:12:27Yasi Salek?

  My mind explodes. I like still processing. Will I Am, that's, it's a lot.

• 1:12:34Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, I said it.

• 1:12:36Yasi Salek?

  I feel like what this is, is like.

• 1:12:38Speaker 04

  Get perky on a track.

• 1:12:40Yasi Salek?

  You pulled the thread of the sweater of the Rolling Stones.

• 1:12:47Yasi Salek?

  To the very last.

• 1:12:48Speaker 04

  To the moon.

• 1:12:49Yasi Salek?

  To the, like, this is the, this is like, the furthest expression into the future of where that would go. And it's so modern and weird and cool and has like, a sound that's like, not of this planet.

• 1:13:03Speaker 04

  But it's so native to me personally. Like, I'm like, this is what they've always done. Like.

• 1:13:07Yasi Salek?

  Sure.

• 1:13:08Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? It's like, and it was always ahead of its time and it still is.

• 1:13:13Yasi Salek?

  I don't, I think it's like outside of its time. Like, it's not even ahead or anything. It's just in its own time.

• 1:13:18Speaker 04

  Blew our minds. I think this record blew our minds.

• 1:13:20Yasi Salek?

  It's really great. I mean, and I, I wasn't, I think maybe because it's just been a while since there's been a Black Bananas album that I kind of have forgotten. How fucking, like, just no one doing it like.

• 1:13:31Speaker 04

  No one's ever done it like this.

• 1:13:33Yasi Salek?

  And it's not related to any, like, and this is not to diminish, like, Frost Children or anything, for example, but it's not related to any scene. It's not related to any, like.

• 1:13:41Speaker 04

  It's timeless.

• 1:13:43Yasi Salek?

  It is just existing in its own space, which I think is really rad.

• 1:13:46Speaker 04

  This is the music they should be putting on Grand Theft Auto. I was, I'm like, this is Grand Theft Auto to me, spiritually.

• 1:13:53Yasi Salek?

  It's a free idea from Patrick.

• 1:13:55Speaker 04

  I've been watching the original, which I also recommend, the original Miami Vice television series.

• 1:14:01Yasi Salek?

  Oh, you know who?

• 1:14:02Speaker 04

  From the beginning.

• 1:14:02Yasi Salek?

  You know who loves that?

• 1:14:03Speaker 04

  Who?

• 1:14:04Yasi Salek?

  Chris Ryan. I think he watches it every night.

• 1:14:06Speaker 04

  Baby.

• 1:14:06Yasi Salek?

  Cause aren't they making a movie?

• 1:14:08Speaker 04

  They are.

• 1:14:09Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:09Speaker 04

  And I was like, oh, this is the time. I've always wanted to watch it. I'm a big, like, E. Duke, Vincent, Aaron Spelling.

• 1:14:15Yasi Salek?

  Sure.

• 1:14:15Speaker 04

  Type of guy.

• 1:14:16Yasi Salek?

  I watched it when I was a kid, but I can't tell you I remember that much.

• 1:14:19Speaker 04

  Miami Vice was on Aaron Spelling. It was Michael Mann, but it's so influential because you can tell, watching it, I'm like, oh, The X-Files was influenced by this show.

• 1:14:28Yasi Salek?

  Right, right.

• 1:14:28Speaker 04

  But also, like, so was 90210. Like, there's, there's so many, it's, it's like, really kind of profound for me, watching Miami Vice right now. But anyway, all that is to say, I listened to this record and there's something about this record that fits in with the Miami Vice spirit.

• 1:14:47Yasi Salek?

  I hear you.

• 1:14:47Speaker 04

  Jen is the one, JJ.

• 1:14:49Yasi Salek?

  I know. Again, stick around for our conversation. Um, and then the other one that I feel like grows in this group is Dinosaur Jr. Did you listen to the new Dinosaur Jr. album?

• 1:14:59Speaker 04

  Honey?

• 1:15:02Speaker 04

  I cried.

• 1:15:03Yasi Salek?

  It's so good.

• 1:15:04Speaker 04

  I wept.

• 1:15:05Yasi Salek?

  Is it not so good?

• 1:15:07Speaker 04

  I did not expect.

• 1:15:08Yasi Salek?

  Shrieked, I know.

• 1:15:09Speaker 04

  I did not expect it. I didn't know they came out with an album.

• 1:15:11Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:12Speaker 04

  I realized, listening to it, I'm gonna cry now. I've taken Dinosaur Jr. for granted.

• 1:15:18Yasi Salek?

  Bam. Welcome. Now, you know what? Today is the day.

• 1:15:22Speaker 04

  Why are you doing this to me?

• 1:15:23Yasi Salek?

  Today is the day you became a real bandsplain host.

• 1:15:28Speaker 04

  I've always loved Feel the Pain, of course, like, huge, huge music video, huge thing back in the 90s. If you, if you were lucky enough to grow up in the 90s, which we were, like, among the, like, during the peak of alternative rock.

• 1:15:45Yasi Salek?

  Among the embarrassment of riches that we had.

• 1:15:48Speaker 04

  You would just hear Dinosaur Jr. in the surf shop.

• 1:15:53Yasi Salek?

  Sure.

• 1:15:53Speaker 04

  In the restaurant in Lake Tahoe, like, in your dad's Mazda truck, like, you know, like, at the strip mall. On MTV. It was just always there, his voice.

• 1:16:05Yasi Salek?

  At the skate park, definitely.

• 1:16:06Speaker 04

  Like.

• 1:16:07Yasi Salek?

  His voice is so.

• 1:16:09Speaker 04

  Is like a national treasure.

• 1:16:10Yasi Salek?

  It's a salve to my heart.

• 1:16:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:12Yasi Salek?

  When his voice comes on, I'm like, everything is okay.

• 1:16:15Speaker 04

  I wasn't prepared for it. I, like, was not emotionally prepared. I put it on and I found myself, like, so moved.

• 1:16:21Yasi Salek?

  It's really moving. I mean, it starts, the first song is just so beautiful. It's called Several Got Away. It's somehow, it's, you know, it's very similar to how I was trying to describe the Afghan Whigs. New album, whereas, like, they're not, they're doing it exactly right. It is, it's very much the Dinosaur Jr. you know and love, but it's not trying to do the old 90s thing or like the screa.

• 1:16:46Speaker 04

  They can't help but be who they are.

• 1:16:48Yasi Salek?

  Exactly. But, but there's something a little more power pop, maybe, to some of this album.

• 1:16:53Speaker 04

  They sound exactly the same.

• 1:16:54Yasi Salek?

  I know, his voice is.

• 1:16:55Speaker 04

  Like.

• 1:16:56Yasi Salek?

  Phenomenal.

• 1:16:57Speaker 04

  I'm, I was shocked by it.

• 1:16:59Yasi Salek?

  Just.

• 1:17:00Speaker 04

  I was shook.

• 1:17:01Yasi Salek?

  It's, yeah.

• 1:17:03Speaker 04

  It's a little violent for me, honestly. The nostalgia level was very, like, I was not prepared.

• 1:17:08Yasi Salek?

  I know. It's really good. Anyways, Dinosaur Jr. The album is called They're Near. Really, really good stuff. Um, and then I'll do a couple other album shout outs. Um, well, we should talk about Lex Walton. Back in my, uh, adding evidence to my folder of, um, Electroclashes is coming back. Um, Lex Walton is, I think, in her twenties?

• 1:17:35Speaker 04

  Don't look at me.

• 1:17:36Yasi Salek?

  I think so. Um, and it's very funny, cause like, this album is like really heavily referential, right, of a time that you and I lived, but if you're in your twenties, you did not live this time. Like, there's a song called Hipster Runoff, for example. You and I lived Hipster Runoff.

• 1:17:53Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:17:54Yasi Salek?

  But.

• 1:17:55Speaker 04

  Intimately.

• 1:17:56Yasi Salek?

  But it's like, it makes sense that someone who is a music fan would like know about Hipster Runoff and think about it in like these sort of like, you know.

• 1:18:05Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 1:18:06Yasi Salek?

  And then the album is produced by, um, Dan Bachner from Wolf Parade.

• 1:18:13Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 1:18:13Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. It has this, like, the sound of that kind of 2010s blog house in kind of different iterations. The standout track to me is, uh, titled USA Equals Fag Nation, which is, of course, the slogan of the Westboro Baptist Church, um, the hateful slogan. Starts with the lyric, shout out John Mayer, though.

• 1:18:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:36Yasi Salek?

  Just, it's like.

• 1:18:36Speaker 04

  Cool.

• 1:18:37Yasi Salek?

  She's a really sharp lyricist. It's incredible. Um, like, really, I think she's a poet, so really, like, poetic, but, but ironic, funny stuff. That song samples Ivy Woke in one of her funnier, uh, posts.

• 1:18:52Speaker 04

  My daughter.

• 1:18:53Yasi Salek?

  Do you remember, like, when she was talking about how she can't believe it's these pink haired, non-binary bitches threatening to mow her down in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania?

• 1:19:00Speaker 04

  Was that Lex Walton?

• 1:19:02Yasi Salek?

  No. Oh, I don't know. I don't, was the.

• 1:19:06Speaker 04

  Is it personal?

• 1:19:07Yasi Salek?

  She was speaking, that's sampled. Emily, who is the guitar player in Geese, plays on this. Anyways, I think it's really cool. It's just, it's not that it's not, it's not that it's something I have not heard before, but I think it's something I have not heard iterated on recently by someone young.

• 1:19:25Speaker 04

  It's not trendy.

• 1:19:26Yasi Salek?

  It's not trendy.

• 1:19:27Speaker 04

  Which I like about it. I stumbled upon Lex Walton because she was getting into a fight on Twitter with someone who was scolding her, and I was like, well, this must be a real artist. I have to find out who this person is. I found that Lex's voice has, like, oddly enough, like, a glam rock quality to it.

• 1:19:49Yasi Salek?

  Which is also a hallmark of Electroclash, I feel like.

• 1:19:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:19:52Yasi Salek?

  To me, like, the.

• 1:19:53Speaker 04

  But this is not Electroclash. This is like, to me, it's more like, this is almost, I'm not gonna say Stomp Clap. It's not quite that. It's like trash can punk, kind of.

• 1:20:02Yasi Salek?

  It goes all over the place, right? Like, the USA Equals Fag Nation is, to me, kind of Electroclashy. It sounds like LCD adjacent. But yeah, you're right. There's, like, other tracks that are kind of referencing, to me, other parts of that blog. Sphere music.

• 1:20:16Speaker 04

  I told you, her voice reminds me, weirdly enough, of, like, Grant Lee Buffalo.

• 1:20:20Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, which I love, Grant Lee Buffalo.

• 1:20:22Speaker 04

  Like Velvet Goldmine soundtrack. Like, there's something throwback about it, and, but not on purpose, but in a way where it's like, if it weren't for the hyper contemporary lyrics, this is the same kind of music people were making in, like, the 70s. You know what I mean?

• 1:20:36Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I can hear that. It's worth listening to, cause I just think it's really interesting. Um, and then I have two more, which is the new Blonde Shell album. Everyone who listens to this podcast knows I'm a day one Blonde Shell truther. I really like her, uh, little art, alternative rock, uh, belty gorgeousness. That her new album is called Violins. Um, there's a single that's come out called Heart Has to Work So Hard that came out in May that I'm still bumping, cause I'm really obsessed with it.

• 1:21:18Yasi Salek?

  She's just a really good songwriter. She writes a killer chorus, and I'm a fan. And then the other one is Howdy. Big world. Once again, Dream of the 90s is alive, and this sort of slow core bedroom pop, but grown up into, like, kind of bigger music on this album.

• 1:21:39Speaker 04

  I have a slow core band to shout out, actually. I do have more bands, I realize. These were like my kind of list, though, so I'm not, I'm not gonna say a lot, but a lot of people that I've brought them up to have never heard of them. Ruby Hunt.

• 1:21:53Yasi Salek?

  Don't know.

• 1:21:54Speaker 04

  They have made 11 albums in 11 years. Extremely prolific, uh, like, slow core, dream pop, shoegazy duo.

• 1:22:06Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:22:06Speaker 04

  It's not exactly shoegazy. It's more.

• 1:22:10Speaker 04

  They have like their own sound and it's very consistent. Almost like in the way the radio department is very consistent.

• 1:22:17Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:17Speaker 04

  Do you know what I mean?

• 1:22:18Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:18Speaker 04

  I've, when I, when I first heard them, it was in 2017 because they had this song called Foolproof. And I kind of thought of Pinback when I heard them.

• 1:22:28Yasi Salek?

  I love Pinback.

• 1:22:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:30Yasi Salek?

  Okay, once again, you had, all you had to say was Pinback. Just start by saying Pinback.

• 1:22:34Speaker 04

  That quality to it. It's like a really dreamy, beautiful, plaintive, repetitive, droney. Yes.

• 1:22:42Yasi Salek?

  Go.

• 1:22:44Speaker 04

  Um, it's like 11 albums in 11 years says to me, they will not abandon you.

• 1:22:53Yasi Salek?

  No, that's so true. They're committed.

• 1:22:54Speaker 04

  Committed to the bit.

• 1:22:55Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:55Speaker 04

  You know, like, it's a good investment. There's a lot there for you to uncover.

• 1:23:00Yasi Salek?

  It's like when you find a new TV show and you're like, nine seasons?

• 1:23:03Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's like, oh, there's like another Galaxy 500 and they have like 11 albums. Cool. Um, so Ruby Hunt.

• 1:23:10Yasi Salek?

  Why don't you lead with that?

• 1:23:11Speaker 04

  Their new album is called Paper Halo.

• 1:23:13Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:23:13Speaker 04

  It's very good. Similar vibe as what we've been talking about is this band called Ricochet Star.

• 1:23:19Yasi Salek?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:23:20Speaker 04

  They're new.

• 1:23:21Yasi Salek?

  They're really good. That's that Atlanta band. They're really good. Okay. I'm so glad you brought this up. I knew I was gonna forget something. That album is amazing.

• 1:23:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's really good. Called Every Moon.

• 1:23:31Yasi Salek?

  Good job.

• 1:23:31Speaker 04

  Really good, you guys.

• 1:23:32Yasi Salek?

  My friend Adrian, um, sent me a song of theirs and was like, I think you would like this. And it's like, isn't the best feeling? Cause often people do that.

• 1:23:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:41Yasi Salek?

  And I'm like, with love and respect, I do not like this. Um, but when someone does it and you do like it, you feel so known and seen.

• 1:23:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:47Yasi Salek?

  You know?

• 1:23:48Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 1:23:48Yasi Salek?

  But yeah, that, that album is really, really good.

• 1:23:51Speaker 04

  I mean, were, I don't need to get into were. Exactly. Were put out an EP with Lester.

• 1:23:57Yasi Salek?

  Love Lester.

• 1:23:58Speaker 04

  I love were. Their album from last year called Raw Blue was like maybe my favorite album of the year last year.

• 1:24:03Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, really good.

• 1:24:04Speaker 04

  And were, W H I R R, not W E R E.

• 1:24:08Yasi Salek?

  Do you know this, this artist, Oxus?

• 1:24:12Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:24:13Yasi Salek?

  Um, again, not sure how I found this. Technically the album came out in, that's still Q3, July. Um, I just, I came across it and I was like, oh, this is weird. It's, it's electro pop, but it's like also acoustic guitar.

• 1:24:30Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:24:30Yasi Salek?

  Which I'm like really hitting a lot, lighting up a lot of my brain spots. Um, really like her voice. She's put out a lot of music. And this is the part that really got me. Every single one of her releases has a fish on the cover, some type of fish or marine life.

• 1:24:48Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:24:49Yasi Salek?

  Every single one, every single cover, every album cover. There's like 15 or 16 and they're all some sort of fish or crab or something. Which I think is cool.

• 1:24:58Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 1:24:59Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. But yeah, Oxus, the.

• 1:25:00Speaker 04

  A motif, if you will.

• 1:25:02Yasi Salek?

  Oxus Nine is the name, um, of the last release she put out. It's 10 songs. It's 23 minutes. Really like the vocals are kind of glitchy. I think you.

• 1:25:11Speaker 04

  That's so short.

• 1:25:12Yasi Salek?

  I think you would really like it. The, like, it's doing a lot of the things that we're talking about, but not in the way that you would expect. Like, the vocals are glitchy, but there's acoustic guitar, you know, like, it's a very interesting mix of things.

• 1:25:25Speaker 04

  Interesting how people can.

• 1:25:27Yasi Salek?

  Take the same ingredients and make a different cake.

• 1:25:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, different stew.

• 1:25:32Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I really, so I'm glad I, I'm glad I remember.

• 1:25:34Speaker 04

  A different charcuterie board.

• 1:25:36Yasi Salek?

  I'm hungry. Um.

• 1:25:37Speaker 04

  Love Spells? Have you gone into Love Spells at all? The album is called Love is the Law.

• 1:25:43Yasi Salek?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:25:44Speaker 04

  I don't know where this person came from.

• 1:25:46Yasi Salek?

  It's one person.

• 1:25:47Speaker 04

  Um, I believe so. His name is Sir Tagan, Kaiyon Harris, an incredible looking model type guy. Unbelievable voice.

• 1:26:00Yasi Salek?

  Houston, Texas, represent, uh, roommate.

• 1:26:02Speaker 04

  I'm almost a little suspicious of this project.

• 1:26:05Yasi Salek?

  Sir is part of his name, by the way.

• 1:26:07Speaker 04

  I believe so.

• 1:26:08Yasi Salek?

  He was named Sir Tagan.

• 1:26:10Speaker 04

  Does that, is he one of Nick Cannon's children? Just kidding. Um, cause you know, he likes.

• 1:26:16Yasi Salek?

  Sure do.

• 1:26:17Speaker 04

  He likes a name. Because the art direction, the music videos, like his presentation, the voice, it's like, there are times where I'm like, is this like a Milli Vanilli situation where we're being had? Because it's so good. It's that good. It's like too perfect.

• 1:26:33Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, but probably not. These kids these days.

• 1:26:36Speaker 04

  It's really, really impressive.

• 1:26:37Yasi Salek?

  These kids these days are really precocious. They've, they've been having the internet since day one. They, they've been making beats on Ableton since they were six.

• 1:26:44Speaker 04

  Like Too Hollis.

• 1:26:45Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:26:45Speaker 04

  It's like, if you need a new rock star, I really feel like this is the one.

• 1:26:48Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, love.

• 1:26:49Speaker 04

  For like, you know, all of the like ID magazines out there, whoever, looking for new people, this is the person. We found him.

• 1:26:56Yasi Salek?

  I love it.

• 1:26:56Speaker 04

  A star is born.

• 1:26:59Yasi Salek?

  All right. Should we get into singles?

• 1:27:01Speaker 04

  I also just want to say quickly.

• 1:27:02Yasi Salek?

  Yes.

• 1:27:03Speaker 04

  Turnstiles, never enough versions.

• 1:27:06Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, it's really good.

• 1:27:07Speaker 04

  Like.

• 1:27:08Yasi Salek?

  You got it. You know what?

• 1:27:09Speaker 04

  Come on.

• 1:27:10Yasi Salek?

  You have to hand it to them.

• 1:27:10Speaker 04

  You gotta hand it to them.

• 1:27:11Yasi Salek?

  Porches did one, right?

• 1:27:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like Porches, Slater, Blood Orange, Chanel Beads, A.G. Cook.

• 1:27:17Yasi Salek?

  Really well.

• 1:27:17Speaker 04

  Nourished by Time, Alex G, Katama, like, a lot of people were talking about it. Like, everyone's on this album doing these remixes of turnstile and they're.

• 1:27:26Yasi Salek?

  All right. Now let's look to the future, Patrick.

• 1:27:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:27:29Yasi Salek?

  Let's open our crystal wall. I guess a crystal wall is not something that you open. You simply bring it onto the table. Um, this is a shared passion of ours, a long time shared passion. We're rooting for this band. We have stock in this band. We're deeply invested and that band is Badverle.

• 1:27:44Speaker 04

  Badverle.

• 1:27:46Yasi Salek?

  Bay Area's finest.

• 1:27:48Speaker 04

  To my money, the best band in San Francisco.

• 1:27:51Yasi Salek?

  I don't know any other bands in San Francisco.

• 1:27:53Speaker 04

  Me neither.

• 1:27:54Yasi Salek?

  But I will say yes. Um.

• 1:27:57Speaker 04

  No, I'm sure there are good bands in San Francisco.

• 1:27:59Yasi Salek?

  Been, we've been on, since the, on the ground floor with this band.

• 1:28:03Speaker 04

  We're on the ground floor of Badverle.

• 1:28:05Yasi Salek?

  And they were immediately amazing to us. We loved it from jump, but they've just keep getting better. Like everything they release is like, elevating and elevating this, this music.

• 1:28:17Speaker 04

  It's Dreamo.

• 1:28:18Yasi Salek?

  It is Dreamo. It absolutely is Dreamo. It ha, it's, it's definitely not shoegaze, although there's shoegaze elements.

• 1:28:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:28:24Yasi Salek?

  But it has a real power pop hookiness to it. Like you can tell this band loves the Goo Goo Dolls. That's what kind of makes it stand out from just being a sho, you know what I mean? Like it's a lot more muscular in its pop-ness.

• 1:28:38Speaker 04

  Do you know what I've wrote down that you're gonna like maybe? I said, this is like if Glycerine by Bush was a band.

• 1:28:45Yasi Salek?

  Period.

• 1:28:46Speaker 04

  Period.

• 1:28:46Yasi Salek?

  Period.

• 1:28:49Yasi Salek?

  Say, I mean, say no more fam. It's amazing. Just really good. They have put out three singles so far. Golden, which is my favorite. Push It Down and Fever. They're awesome. The album comes out in October. It's called Lethal. We've both heard it. It's really good.

• 1:29:00Speaker 04

  But go listen to their last album, which was like last year, right?

• 1:29:04Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, it was called, hmm, Heaven?

• 1:29:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:07Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. Um, I Am God is kind of the one I'm partial to, the EP from, uh, 2024.

• 1:29:14Speaker 04

  Oh yeah. I mean, the first song, the song that grabbed me was called Rock.

• 1:29:17Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, it's really good.

• 1:29:18Speaker 04

  Did it. Um, Econoline is just fucking incredible.

• 1:29:22Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. Get in, you guys, you still have time to be early on Badverle because mark our words.

• 1:29:27Speaker 04

  I want to go even one further than that and be like, we need to make Badverle the biggest band in America.

• 1:29:32Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:33Speaker 04

  Like.

• 1:29:33Yasi Salek?

  Let's return ourselves to a proper nation. Yeah.

• 1:29:36Speaker 04

  Let's push for it. Some of these bands, some of these like, what is it called? chaotic goods engineered bands. Get back to some real music.

• 1:29:43Yasi Salek?

  Need selling. It's a duo. Beckett Schroder, the singer, is gorgeous. Tessa Piccolo, the ex-plays drums, right? Also gorgeous. Um, also a champion yo-yoer. If you need a hook for your story.

• 1:29:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, there you go.

• 1:30:00Yasi Salek?

  They come from the backwoods of Washington state, made it to the big city. Do you like Catherine Wheel, bitch? Come on down.

• 1:30:08Speaker 04

  Catherine Wheel is basically, that's my taste in music. It's like bands that sound like Catherine Wheel. That's what Dreamo is.

• 1:30:15Speaker 04

  It's like.

• 1:30:15Yasi Salek?

  Leave My Bloody Valentine Alone. Okay. We have fucking tapped that bitch dry. Let's now move on to copying Catherine Wheel.

• 1:30:22Speaker 04

  Catherine Wheel, Intervene Us, greatest song of all time.

• 1:30:25Yasi Salek?

  Oh.

• 1:30:25Speaker 04

  Nowhere soundtrack.

• 1:30:27Yasi Salek?

  I'm a, I'm a black metallic girl, but yes, also very good. Um, okay. Another one of our shared interests is the, I don't, I don't know how to describe this. Artist, music, but I was gonna say pop, but I.

• 1:30:44Speaker 04

  I thought artist and music were, you're like, artist, music?

• 1:30:47Yasi Salek?

  No, but it's, it's that girl Dane.

• 1:30:49Speaker 04

  Dane.

• 1:30:50Yasi Salek?

  Who all of a sudden was in my timeline and.

• 1:30:54Speaker 04

  Not to be confused with Taylor Dane, who is doing a residency in Las Vegas.

• 1:30:58Yasi Salek?

  Really great voice, Taylor Dane.

• 1:30:59Speaker 04

  Taylor Dane's Instagram is lit lately, by the way.

• 1:31:02Yasi Salek?

  Wow.

• 1:31:02Speaker 04

  Run, don't walk.

• 1:31:03Yasi Salek?

  Get, get over there. Um, this Dane is a kind of, um, honestly unnecessarily gorgeous girl. Just aggressively beautiful. Um, Filipino Australian artist from Melbourne.

• 1:31:16Speaker 04

  Cool, bleached blonde, great hair.

• 1:31:18Yasi Salek?

  Great style. I think there's some.

• 1:31:21Speaker 04

  She looks like she would have been like a coke head character on 90210 that like stole Kelly's boyfriend or something. Do you know what I mean?

• 1:31:28Yasi Salek?

  She looks like a yassified Jennifer.

• 1:31:32Yasi Salek?

  She looks like if Jennifer Harama took one of those pictures in, in Japan and those photo booths that makes you look like anime.

• 1:31:39Speaker 04

  You know, who also has taken a page out of Jennifer's book, I feel like is Slater.

• 1:31:43Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:43Speaker 04

  Like that, that whole style.

• 1:31:45Yasi Salek?

  The original is, um, I, someone wrote that this is Tweemo Tronica.

• 1:31:53Speaker 04

  I think that's what her artist bio says on Spotify.

• 1:31:56Yasi Salek?

  Pretty good description.

• 1:31:57Speaker 04

  Yeah. Creative.

• 1:31:59Yasi Salek?

  It's giving me shades of Ashley Simpson.

• 1:32:02Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:32:03Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:03Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:32:04Yasi Salek?

  And that's a high compliment. I was just talking to roommate real last night about how fucking great that first Ashley Simpson record is. But it's also like, the song that I'm the most obsessed with is called Product of Profit, P O P. And when I first put it on, I was like, welcome back Jimmy Eat World. Not that Jimmy Eat World has gone anywhere alive and well and still touring, but it's like if Jimmy Eat World was like a young blonde girl and then also screaming on top of it. It's really good.

• 1:32:31Speaker 04

  She has like, again, bringing up all the best qualities, that disaffected valley girl delivery.

• 1:32:40Yasi Salek?

  But also very emotionally vulnerable.

• 1:32:43Speaker 04

  A little unhinged, violent fantasies at times. Um, but also this bulletproof pop melodicism. Kim Petras is a big fan of hers.

• 1:32:54Yasi Salek?

  She's collaborated with Crayshaw. I'm just like, every, every piece of information I learn, I'm like further in.

• 1:33:01Speaker 04

  She's also worked with Nina Giarachi, to bring that up again.

• 1:33:04Yasi Salek?

  We love, um, I'm, yeah, I'm a hu, I'm like, I'm really in, like.

• 1:33:09Speaker 04

  The album is called An Endless On Agony. It's, uh, co-produced or produced in part or produced entirely? I don't know. By Curtis Polly of The Life.

• 1:33:22Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:33:23Speaker 04

  Friend of mine.

• 1:33:24Yasi Salek?

  Okay. That is, that person is also a podcaster.

• 1:33:28Speaker 04

  Yes, the ION pack.

• 1:33:30Yasi Salek?

  Got it, okay. They were, they were, they did vocoders. They had masks and vocoders.

• 1:33:36Speaker 04

  They did for a bit. Yeah, for, they had a spell of that. Yeah, Dane's music is like, it has this kind of Midwest emo influence, I feel like.

• 1:33:45Yasi Salek?

  But also, like, I mean, she's so young, I think, I'm assuming. But there's also like a real Warped Tour, later emo, whatever you would call that. I don't know if I can fifth wave emo. Like, I think I read that she collaborated with Ollie Sykes from Bring Me the Horizon, which is a band that I honestly am only really familiar with because they're from the same town as the Arctic Monkeys in England. And I was convinced for my whole life that they were from like Orange County. I was like, surely the band Bring Me the Horizon, which I've never heard one note of music from, but is a Warped Tour band, is from Orange County, but they are from Sheffield, England.

• 1:34:20Speaker 04

  But it also, what's cool is she's taking all of that, like, those edges and she's like putting them into this kind of pop sandbox.

• 1:34:28Yasi Salek?

  I was gonna say, it's pop, right?

• 1:34:29Speaker 04

  It's like pop star shit that she's doing.

• 1:34:31Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:32Speaker 04

  You know? I loved PQC, which was, I think, the first single from this record. Been a big song for me this year. Love, Love, Love, Love is also very good. I Used to Kill is pretty insane, major.

• 1:34:46Yasi Salek?

  We heard it and it's really good.

• 1:34:47Speaker 04

  The whole album is amazing. I love, and Porches makes an appearance, I think, on the last song.

• 1:34:53Yasi Salek?

  Love how the, this is our extended cinematic universe. There's many, many characters crossing over.

• 1:34:59Speaker 04

  It's, maybe it's algorithmic.

• 1:35:02Yasi Salek?

  Well, it does feel like, the fact that like, all of a sudden, I started seeing her on my algo and then you texted me about her like a couple of days later. All felt very like, what? Um, but in a great way. Love it.

• 1:35:17Speaker 04

  She's, I'm interested to see what happens.

• 1:35:20Yasi Salek?

  I'm really, this is like, this is a pop star made for me. It's, it's almost like they custom made this pop star in the lab to, to my specifications.

• 1:35:29Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 1:35:30Yasi Salek?

  So I'm really looking forward to.

• 1:35:31Speaker 04

  Rooting for her. We're on your side, girl. We're here.

• 1:35:34Yasi Salek?

  We, we love Dane in this house.

• 1:35:36Speaker 04

  But like, also, I'm just curious, like, it's interesting to me when someone puts out this many singles so far ahead of the album, or it still feels like, cause if the album doesn't come out in November, it's like, almost half the songs are out.

• 1:35:49Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:50Speaker 04

  But that's a little like what Slater did.

• 1:35:51Yasi Salek?

  Pop doesn't, definitely pop, but I mean, almost all music now because of streaming just does not follow any of those old rules. Like, it's just like, build hype, build momentum, build hype, build momentum. And then the album comes out and it's like, not even the main, it's not even the main event album, really. You know, it's, it's the like trickling of this person into the culture. That's just my opinion.

• 1:36:10Speaker 04

  It's like, almost by the time the album comes out, it's like a compilation of all these songs that you already know.

• 1:36:15Yasi Salek?

  Honestly, for some of these, like, pop artists, I feel like that's how it is.

• 1:36:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:36:19Yasi Salek?

  Okay. And then I think this third one is also a shared passion of ours. Um, the band Dive.

• 1:36:25Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 1:36:25Yasi Salek?

  We love Dive. Um, Dive has been on this podcast. I will be on this podcast again. Um, they have released two singles, The Fountain and Kid. The album is called Zerp. Exclamation point.

• 1:36:39Speaker 04

  Of course it is.

• 1:36:39Yasi Salek?

  Produced by AG Cook.

• 1:36:41Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 1:36:41Yasi Salek?

  Of Charli XCX fame.

• 1:36:43Speaker 04

  Counterintuitively, but very cool.

• 1:36:45Yasi Salek?

  It works really well. Again, I will reveal, I have heard the album and it's awesome.

• 1:36:49Speaker 04

  I haven't heard it, but of the songs that have come out, I was pleased that they sound like Dive songs.

• 1:36:55Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I mean, Dive's a really.

• 1:36:56Speaker 04

  AG just wanted to produce a Dive album.

• 1:36:58Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:59Speaker 04

  Cool.

• 1:36:59Yasi Salek?

  Dive is a really cool trajectory to me, like, I mean, I love Ocean, come on.

• 1:37:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:37:07Yasi Salek?

  Who doesn't, you know? But I really love Is the, is our so much. They kind of haven't had a bad album and they have absolutely sort of like moved around with their sound. Like, they didn't make Ocean five times, you know?

• 1:37:22Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 1:37:23Yasi Salek?

  I think, I think it's very cool.

• 1:37:25Speaker 04

  But they have, they're very unmistakable.

• 1:37:27Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:28Speaker 04

  It's like Cole's songwriting is his songwriting.

• 1:37:30Yasi Salek?

  And his voice.

• 1:37:32Speaker 04

  And his guitar playing.

• 1:37:33Yasi Salek?

  And his guitar playing. Yeah, really great. I'm really looking forward to Zerp being in the world. It comes out October 30th.

• 1:37:39Speaker 04

  Send it to me.

• 1:37:40Yasi Salek?

  I will. Um, okay. What's your next looking forward to singles situation? Do you want to talk about Matt Keeper?

• 1:37:47Speaker 04

  No, I want to talk about something that's a little bit, I don't know, I don't know how you're gonna feel about this one. I don't know how anyone will.

• 1:37:54Yasi Salek?

  Well, I'm like angry.

• 1:37:55Speaker 04

  It also feels designed in a lab for you a little bit.

• 1:37:58Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:37:58Speaker 04

  But he's such an interesting artist. He's like very singular to me and I don't know how to explain him to people exactly. His name is Cam Moager and his band is called, or his project is called The Chain Gang of 1974.

• 1:38:14Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:38:16Speaker 04

  It's so funny. I wrote down, he came out of a Jimmy Eat World cauldron into a pop punk world and discovered synths and became incredibly ambitious.

• 1:38:24Yasi Salek?

  You have sent me this before.

• 1:38:26Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 1:38:28Yasi Salek?

  And I liked it a lot. And also, you know, I'm a little more partial to other Persian people and I believe he's Persian.

• 1:38:36Speaker 04

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:38:38Yasi Salek?

  And I'm rooting for him.

• 1:38:39Speaker 04

  I think this album is the album that you're gonna really love.

• 1:38:43Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:38:43Speaker 04

  I was head over heels for the last one, which was called Honeymoon Drips. Cam was the frontman and bassist for Teenage Wrist.

• 1:38:52Yasi Salek?

  Yes, during.

• 1:38:53Speaker 04

  During, to me, their best period.

• 1:38:55Yasi Salek?

  Their only really good period.

• 1:38:57Speaker 04

  And they're still good, but it's different now.

• 1:39:00Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:01Speaker 04

  This was the period of the days DP.

• 1:39:03Yasi Salek?

  The album after he left called like Yellow Belly Love or something that I really liked.

• 1:39:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's different though. You know what's funny? I was, there's some.

• 1:39:09Yasi Salek?

  It's way more pop.

• 1:39:10Speaker 04

  I felt like they went a little Third Eye Blindish with that last record.

• 1:39:13Yasi Salek?

  It's very like nineties alt and it, that was a good, it's a good song, I'll tell you.

• 1:39:17Speaker 04

  But Chrome Neon Jesus is the Teenage Wrist album that I think is like the most influential and seminal and that was when Cam was in the band. He also has another really good shoegaze band called Heavenward. But this project is really fascinating because he, this, this was like his solo kind of electronic project and it blew up at one point early on because one of his songs in 2013 called Sleepwalking was on the Grand Theft Auto V soundtrack.

• 1:39:52Yasi Salek?

  Amazing.

• 1:39:53Speaker 04

  Which was like a massive platform for someone's song to take off. And that's where he got a lot of his fans. And back then, the music was a little bit more like M83 kind of a vibe. Like, cause you know, he's like a shoegaze musician, but then he does this electronic shoegaze thing that kind of fits in that world.

• 1:40:15Speaker 04

  This album feels very much more guitar driven. Like, he sort of merged the guitars into Chain Gang of 1974.

• 1:40:25Speaker 04

  And to me, I just think he is like a god tier melodic top line songwriter, like.

• 1:40:33Yasi Salek?

  So important.

• 1:40:34Speaker 04

  It's really special. And like, if I were Olivia Rodrigo or like even Taylor Swift, I would be calling this guy. I would be like, give me these songs that you're doing, cause they are so good.

• 1:40:44Yasi Salek?

  What if he works with Dane?

• 1:40:48Speaker 04

  That would be like a perfect match.

• 1:40:50Yasi Salek?

  You guys.

• 1:40:51Speaker 04

  Oh my God, we're like matchmaking.

• 1:40:52Yasi Salek?

  Free A and R-ing from Patrick and I.

• 1:40:56Speaker 04

  And like, there's something about his music that might, and I'm saying this like with all of the love and respect and like admiration in the world. He knows how much I love his music and what it means to me. There's something that can be so earnest about it that can't, could read to a certain segment of my demo as being cheesy.

• 1:41:16Yasi Salek?

  Your demo being cynical gay.

• 1:41:19Speaker 04

  Rotten, disaffected, like doom.

• 1:41:24Speaker 04

  Doom scrolling, um, you know, nihilistic, borderline homicidal people. But everyone, it's like being cheesy is so important in a pop context. And like, you have to be, and you know, so like, it also is what makes it sound so expensive and so classic on a certain level. I just think he's phenomenally talented. Um, this rec, this record, he's mentioned a bunch of references. I can hear Oasis's influence in some of the singles with them.

• 1:41:55Yasi Salek?

  You continuously bury the fucking lead. You're like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, it sounds something like Oasis. You could have just led with that.

• 1:42:03Speaker 04

  It's like, he's, he's mentioned like the Verve, Dubs.

• 1:42:06Yasi Salek?

  What the fuck is wrong with you?

• 1:42:09Speaker 04

  New Radicals and Sting as being influences on this record.

• 1:42:15Speaker 04

  It's a, this, his new stuff is so yas. He even is dressing like you right now.

• 1:42:22Speaker 04

  I have to say, he'd, he'd probably be a good guest. Anyway.

• 1:42:25Yasi Salek?

  Come on the pod, Cam.

• 1:42:26Speaker 04

  You guys, I'm gonna, I'm an evangelist for the Chain Gang of 1974. I don't care.

• 1:42:31Yasi Salek?

  No, it's not.

• 1:42:32Speaker 04

  Get into it, look it up.

• 1:42:33Yasi Salek?

  I'm sold.

• 1:42:34Speaker 04

  The proof is in the pudding.

• 1:42:35Yasi Salek?

  I am absolutely sold.

• 1:42:37Speaker 04

  I don't think the album has been announced, but there's been like four singles and so I feel like it's like coming.

• 1:42:42Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. Okay. Well, my next thing is a band that we talked about a bit, so I won't get too into it on the UK episode, but it's called RIP Magic. It is a, another dance punk and Electric Clash is coming back, um, based in London. Um, they've had two singles come out, Screw Dark, which is so good, and this one called Light Over There. And they have, um, an album coming out. I think it's in November. Um, I really like, I really like their music. It's again.

• 1:43:17Yasi Salek?

  Very, it is kind of like we're bringing back that sect of indie sleaze. I know I'm a little pilled right now because I just came out of indie sleaze month, six weeks on Bandlain, but like-

• 1:43:28Speaker 04

  Are you okay, by the way? Do I need to like send in an emergency crew to rescue you from CineSpace?

• 1:43:35Yasi Salek?

  I met CineSpace Tuesdays, me and them jeans are just there drinking Sparks. Um, I, I really enjoyed it much more than I thought I was going to. I like went in with a bit of dread because I was like, that's not long enough ago. But then I was like, this music's really good. And particularly that corner, that like DFA corner of stuff. Like we, we had talked earlier today about like Lady Tron, but like there's this whole set, section of, you know, electronic dance music that came out around this era that like, I have a real soft spot for.

• 1:44:07Speaker 04

  Indie sleaze is like rock side.

• 1:44:09Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, and then there's-

• 1:44:10Speaker 04

  The garage side, the like, you know, Interpol and-

• 1:44:14Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, The Strokes, yeah, the Hives, sure.

• 1:44:17Speaker 04

  But then there was like, to me, and what I think gets sometimes misremembered about that era a little bit is like, there's this idea that it was all like, so like dirty and like scuzzy and, you know, like, no one was taking pictures with their cell phones. Everything was, everyone was smoking a million cigarettes, but there was something-

• 1:44:35Yasi Salek?

  That was all pretty true.

• 1:44:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, but there was, there was an aspect of music at that time that was like also incredibly-

• 1:44:43Yasi Salek?

  Glamorous.

• 1:44:43Speaker 04

  Polished, glamorous, gossamer, fashion-y like-

• 1:44:47Yasi Salek?

  It was very like, but it was-

• 1:44:48Speaker 04

  It was very like disco, it was like Daft Punk.

• 1:44:50Yasi Salek?

  But it was glamorous sleaze.

• 1:44:51Speaker 04

  Facemate Jacks.

• 1:44:52Yasi Salek?

  It was like, it was literally like having like a gay dance party in a shitty warehouse in Williamsburg. It was Lux Berliniumsburg, right? It was like the, the intersection of those things. Like it was like very glamorous and gay and electro. And then it was like everyone smoking a thousand cigarettes.

• 1:45:10Speaker 04

  It was also like not lo-fi, it was like hi-fi.

• 1:45:12Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:45:13Speaker 04

  You know, it was like big budget.

• 1:45:14Yasi Salek?

  Anyways, all this, all this to say, I think RIP Magic is like in that lineage for sure. And like, there was like, they, I think they had a white label single of their, like, one of their songs called Five Words that James Murphy literally produced and DFA released it. So it's like, they very much are of that and in that. So I'm really excited for the album.

• 1:45:38Speaker 04

  But they tour with like Tame Impala, I saw.

• 1:45:41Yasi Salek?

  I'm just gonna believe you.

• 1:45:42Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:45:43Yasi Salek?

  And what's cool is a guy who's in RIP Magic, like maybe not, um, he's, he's the like main guy of RIP Magic is also like kind of a side person in this band called Sorry, which is another band I'm really excited about, um, that again, have not announced an album, but have put out a new single in August called Tom Will Smack Your Ass. That's awesome.

• 1:46:09Speaker 04

  I love that song.

• 1:46:10Yasi Salek?

  It's so good.

• 1:46:11Speaker 04

  I listened to your whole Britpop, or not Britpop.

• 1:46:14Yasi Salek?

  It was like, yeah, our UK slang.

• 1:46:15Speaker 04

  Your new UK-

• 1:46:16Yasi Salek?

  It was really good, right? Really great stuff on there.

• 1:46:18Speaker 04

  I mean, I suffered through-

• 1:46:19Yasi Salek?

  Some bad stuff?

• 1:46:20Speaker 04

  The whole thing. No, I didn't love everything, but this was a standout to me.

• 1:46:25Yasi Salek?

  It's really good. So those two bands are kind of related and that they share-

• 1:46:27Speaker 04

  John Glacier.

• 1:46:28Yasi Salek?

  John Glacier's so good. John Glacier's gonna be really big, I think.

• 1:46:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:46:31Yasi Salek?

  I feel like we could just wrap it up by talking about Matt Keeper because we both really loved the other Matt Keeper album that came out earlier this year. They kind of came out of nowhere. Um, I mean, everybody comes out of nowhere, I guess, but it's just these like gorgeous men with this like, to me, like a bit head shoppy, but like, you know, like late nineties, head shoppy, cool, like I'm picturing Natalie and Berlia's haircut.

• 1:46:58Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 1:46:59Yasi Salek?

  Do you know what I'm saying? You get exactly what I'm saying. Um, but great music.

• 1:47:03Speaker 04

  It's Miles Cohen and Nick Harwood.

• 1:47:06Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:06Speaker 04

  Nick Harwood-

• 1:47:07Yasi Salek?

  Are they brothers, cousins?

• 1:47:08Speaker 04

  They're brothers.

• 1:47:09Yasi Salek?

  Why do they have different last names?

• 1:47:10Speaker 04

  I don't know. I don't know them very well.

• 1:47:11Yasi Salek?

  You don't know their family dynamics?

• 1:47:12Speaker 04

  I know Nick, um, but Nick was a music, or is a music video director.

• 1:47:17Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:47:18Speaker 04

  So, and that was how me and a lot of my friends have known him. And so when this came out, it was like a fun surprise. Like, oh my God, Nick has a band.

• 1:47:26Yasi Salek?

  The EP is called Rock Candy. And then that song, the song that I'm specifically calling Nagjampa Kor, which I love, Pieces of Yours, was in the drama, the Robert Pattinson's Zendaya movie that we both really loved.

• 1:47:39Speaker 04

  Uh huh, totally.

• 1:47:41Yasi Salek?

  And then they've put out two singles, I think, called, one called Truth or Dare and one called Holy Moses.

• 1:47:48Speaker 04

  Oh, Canada is my favorite Matt Keeper song.

• 1:47:51Yasi Salek?

  Oh, Canada's really good, really beautiful. The Holy Moses is awesome. It's, it's a little harsher. There's like yelling in a way that's really cool. Um, it's making me really look forward to whatever it is they're putting out next.

• 1:48:01Speaker 04

  Their album has a release countdown, I'm now seeing.

• 1:48:04Yasi Salek?

  Okay, when does it say?

• 1:48:05Speaker 04

  Called Believe You Me, and it comes out October 15th.

• 1:48:08Yasi Salek?

  Great. Can't wait. Very soon.

• 1:48:10Speaker 04

  But also like, just go back and listen to their EPs and their previous releases.

• 1:48:15Yasi Salek?

  It's very good.

• 1:48:15Speaker 04

  Ready by the time it comes.

• 1:48:17Yasi Salek?

  I can't wait to hear it, but I am, just from the singles, it feels like they're going a slightly different direction, like maybe a little harsher in a way that's cool.

• 1:48:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, Flat Soda was kind of a banger.

• 1:48:29Yasi Salek?

  Flat Soda was a banger. Um, oh yeah, Flat Soda is another single that came out off of this.

• 1:48:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:48:34Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, okay. Um, and that, I think that is-

• 1:48:40Speaker 04

  That does it?

• 1:48:40Yasi Salek?

  That's what we got.

• 1:48:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:48:43Yasi Salek?

  Please enjoy our-

• 1:48:45Speaker 04

  It's a lot, it's a lot.

• 1:48:46Yasi Salek?

  It's a lot, but that's okay. Um, well, we will drop a link to the playlist in the show notes and Patrick, thank you so much for coming on.

• 1:48:54Speaker 04

  Always.

• 1:48:55Yasi Salek?

  You are an officer and a gentleman.

• 1:48:59Speaker 04

  And a prisoner.

• 1:49:00Yasi Salek?

  And a prisoner.

• 1:49:00Speaker 04

  And a hostage.

• 1:49:01Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, and I'm your worst friend.

• 1:49:02Speaker 04

  A willing hostage.

• 1:49:03Yasi Salek?

  And I'm your worst friend. Um, please stick around now for Jennifer Harama.

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• 1:50:09Yasi Salek?

  Okay, you guys, I'm so thrilled to be joined by Jennifer Harama and Kurt Midness of Black Bananas. You guys, welcome to the program. Did I pronounce everything right?

• 1:50:18Speaker 06

  Thank you for having us.

• 1:50:19Speaker 04

  Bananas.

• 1:50:20Yasi Salek?

  Bananas. That is how you say bananas. It's correct.

• 1:50:23Speaker 06

  Say what?

• 1:50:24Yasi Salek?

  Oh, I was saying, did I pronounce everything right? And Kurt said, yes. Bananas is how you say it.

• 1:50:28Speaker 06

  Oh, bananas, Midness, Harama, yes.

• 1:50:31Yasi Salek?

  But you have a third member.

• 1:50:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, Brian.

• 1:50:34Yasi Salek?

  Brian. He doesn't do press. He's notoriously a press chick.

• 1:50:37Speaker 06

  He's babysitting his baby.

• 1:50:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's on Daddy Dee Dee.

• 1:50:41Speaker 06

  He's on Daddy Dee Dee.

• 1:50:42Yasi Salek?

  Okay, he's, he's required by law to care for his child. Okay, that makes sense. Um, well, you guys just put out-

• 1:50:50Speaker 06

  We could have brought him, but you know.

• 1:50:51Yasi Salek?

  And the baby.

• 1:50:51Speaker 06

  Then we would have had to bring the dog. The baby, the dog and daddy.

• 1:50:56Yasi Salek?

  The dog would have been my dream. I feel like I haven't had any dogs on this podcast and we need to remedy that ASAP.

• 1:51:02Speaker 06

  Oh shit.

• 1:51:03Speaker 04

  We'll come back. We got a great little dog we can bring.

• 1:51:06Speaker 06

  She's ridiculous, like-

• 1:51:08Yasi Salek?

  What's her name?

• 1:51:09Speaker 06

  Her name is Bunny.

• 1:51:10Yasi Salek?

  Bunny?

• 1:51:10Speaker 06

  And I'm, I, I grew up with dogs and stuff, but, but I'm, I mean, I'm very allergic to dogs, but I, yeah, um, but I love them. I love them. But because our condo is like, is small, when I grew up in DC, you know, like there was a spa, there's a house, big space, yard, whatever, but here in a condo, no, uh-uh, totally allergic.

• 1:51:33Yasi Salek?

  You and the dog, damn it.

• 1:51:34Speaker 06

  So I had to get the poodle and the poodle. I mean, I've been obsessed with poodles, been drawing poodles since prior to Royal Trucks, Cats and Dogs poodle drawings. I mean, that's like my thing. So then I finally found- The, the perfect tiny poodle, uh, it's a ginger.

• 1:51:51Yasi Salek?

  Oh my god.

• 1:51:52Speaker 06

  I'm, I was like obsessed with getting, but yeah, it was, anyway, it's, she's adorable.

• 1:51:57Yasi Salek?

  So she's a small, not a standard.

• 1:51:59Speaker 06

  Oh, I love a standard. No, she's like, she's like seven, eight pounds.

• 1:52:05Speaker 07

  She looks like a little teddy bear.

• 1:52:07Speaker 06

  Yeah. She looks like fried chicken. She's like.

• 1:52:09Yasi Salek?

  Totally that color.

• 1:52:09Speaker 06

  She's the fried chicken girl. Yeah.

• 1:52:11Yasi Salek?

  Um, okay. Well, you guys, and just to like make everyone happy, we should just briefly at least talk about the new.

• 1:52:19Speaker 06

  The new record.

• 1:52:21Yasi Salek?

  Which is so good. I was trying to describe to someone, I was like, I mean, this is gonna go on the end of another episode that I did with Patrick Samberg, who you guys are friends with, and we were talking about it. And I was like, it feels like an alien made R and B music and that I'm hearing it from a ghost world in another dimension, coming through transistor radio. Like that I didn't actually.

• 1:52:42Speaker 06

  The algorithm.

• 1:52:45Yasi Salek?

  That's the only way I know how to describe this. It's like truly like interdimensional.

• 1:52:50Speaker 06

  There's no AI, no AI, but actually here.

• 1:52:53Yasi Salek?

  AI could never think of this.

• 1:52:55Speaker 06

  Reed was, uh, like a friend of ours who had, who's in a band called Tobacco, Black Moss, Super Rainbow and Demon Queen. He wrote a really, what did he say? It was like a perfect combo weirdness.

• 1:53:07Speaker 07

  He was like, he's like, uh, he's like, this album's crazy. I've never heard anything like it. Um, and I was like, cool. Well, I hope you like it. And he's like, yeah, I like it. Uh, I love it. He said, it sounds like Atecker and Jandec writing a Paula Abdul album. Which might be in that ghost world realm or something. And like, I, I really like your description. I think it's.

• 1:53:32Speaker 06

  I love Paula Abdul.

• 1:53:33Yasi Salek?

  Straight up, don't tell me.

• 1:53:36Speaker 06

  Straight up.

• 1:53:38Yasi Salek?

  Cold hearted snake. I grew up on that. That was one of the greatest albums of all time.

• 1:53:42Speaker 06

  She's, I, I, I, I adore her. Like, remember she was married to Emilio Estevez? She, yeah, yeah, yeah. When I was a little kid, I thought they were the coolest little, I mean, that's, it's a long time ago.

• 1:53:55Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:56Speaker 06

  In my mind, it seems like a minute ago.

• 1:53:59Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. Were you guys listening to Paula Abdul? Uh, I, this album has kind of been in the process of being made for kind of a long time, right?

• 1:54:08Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:54:09Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:54:09Yasi Salek?

  So maybe some Paula Abdul was listened to in the past tenish years.

• 1:54:13Speaker 07

  It had to have happened. Like, I mean, we, we started, you know, when we, we made two albums and started making.

• 1:54:21Speaker 06

  As Black Bananas.

• 1:54:22Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:23Speaker 07

  And, um, we're starting to dig into that and like, how, how are we gonna make this one cooler than the last one? And, um, and then it was, uh, Royal Trucks reunion.

• 1:54:35Yasi Salek?

  Sure. Big deal.

• 1:54:36Speaker 07

  Kind of, um, yeah, it took up a lot of the area. So it kind of put that in the like, on the, on the back burner.

• 1:54:44Yasi Salek?

  You can't do everything all at once.

• 1:54:47Speaker 07

  And then, uh, you know, that was finishing up and COVID hit.

• 1:54:53Yasi Salek?

  Sure.

• 1:54:53Speaker 07

  And that was something that led to us losing our studio space. Which we had this great studio space that was just like, it's, you know, not having one, you realize like what a luxury it was to have. And it wasn't like some fancy studio or, or anything like that, but it was our space.

• 1:55:14Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:55:14Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. It was a dedicated space that you had.

• 1:55:17Speaker 06

  Well, I went to work every day. Like, you know, he's like, but I, I like would go there every day and, and work with Brian on stuff. And so we had so much stuff that we had already started working on for Black Bananas, like the third rec, you know? Right after the second one, Electric Wall came out. It's just kind of, okay, that's what we do. We go, we go in and we start making other stuff. So we had all these different ideas and then, you know, skip for it. So the Royal Trucks thing, um, with, which, you know, it's, it, I'm very, very glad that it happened because I think it was a great, great album and this and that.

• 1:55:57Speaker 06

  But then it, it's, it was great to, to just, okay, put that to bed because that, that was that, you know? And then just to be able to continue with.

• 1:56:06Yasi Salek?

  Focus on that.

• 1:56:07Speaker 06

  Yeah. Well, with, yeah, with all my Cali life, you know what I'm saying? My Cali.

• 1:56:12Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. Cause was it weird to like, I mean, I think, I always think of like reunion tours or like kind of like anniversary tours and like of two minds, right?

• 1:56:20Speaker 06

  Oh, it was crazy.

• 1:56:21Yasi Salek?

  It's crazy, right? Cause the fans are probably like, oh my God, I never thought this is gonna happen. They're over the moon.

• 1:56:26Speaker 06

  Didn't ever hear, I hadn't talked to him in 18 years, never, nothing, you know, but, which is fine. Cause that was the way it was supposed to be.

• 1:56:33Yasi Salek?

  God's plan.

• 1:56:34Speaker 06

  But, but what was weird was it was, it was upon his request that we, we do it. And I was like, holy shit. That's why I, that's why I would say yes.

• 1:56:44Yasi Salek?

  Sure.

• 1:56:44Speaker 06

  Cause I wasn't trying to convince him of any.

• 1:56:47Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:47Speaker 06

  So anyway, it all worked. It all worked out. I don't know. You know, I gotta say, big picture, jumping forward. Um, he's in a much better place and, you know, I'm good. I'll like, I haven't.

• 1:56:58Yasi Salek?

  You've been in.

• 1:56:59Speaker 06

  I mean, I've gone through the stresses of, of having to like, wear, you know, the two, two hats and try and handle different. But that's long in the past. But also it's also makes it, so when everything is more chill and easy, you just appreciate it, you know?

• 1:57:15Yasi Salek?

  Right. When you went back to your.

• 1:57:16Speaker 06

  I can breathe.

• 1:57:17Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. Did, did you find anything like, did going back to that well to do that tour, like, was there anything that you kind of like maybe consciously or subconsciously brought back to like the Black Bananas? No. It was like, it was even more like, church and state. Like this is that thing. This is this thing.

• 1:57:36Speaker 06

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I, I mean, perhaps you brought back, um, a little bit like the, a kind of a lyrical writing style where when we were, we were doing some stuff off of, um, this album called Twin Infinitives. And, you know, it, a lot of it was, um, you know, off, off the cuff, ad libbed, this and that. But over a year, you know, when you listen to it, I know that I'm saying, um, give me the ice cream. I know that I'm saying solid gold tooth. I know that I was saying, and this is like 35 years. I was like, okay, I can, the whole thing that goes through, the whole, uh,

• 1:58:17Speaker 06

  the whole ad lib thing played a big, actual, big part in finalizing the Black Bananas Bad Bunch record. Because I did have more, I had lyrics that were actually like, you know, on, on the paper, but the last, at the end, the way, the last takes where I was just kind of, and then the way that, that, um, Brian mixed it, it just, it's more musical and, and there's no didactic, there's no, you know, you're not supposed, like, it doesn't matter what the words are.

• 1:58:49Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:58:50Speaker 06

  And that's why I was like surprised when the radio guy was like, there's a, there's a fuck is here? And I was like, oh, those, I think those are the samples.

• 1:58:59Yasi Salek?

  No, that's not even me.

• 1:59:00Speaker 06

  But, but you know, anyway, but no, it was cool, but, but that's the thing. That is something. This kind of, uh, the stream of consciousness that then becomes solidified over repetition, you know, in a, in a way.

• 1:59:15Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:15Speaker 06

  I should say.

• 1:59:16Speaker 07

  I mean, I, it's pretty crazy. Like the words that come out of her mouth when she, when she's like, just like, um, because to, to finish up the album, we did a whole lot of like improvising.

• 1:59:32Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:59:32Speaker 07

  And, and it's like, some of the best stuff just came out, like first take, like no notebook.

• 1:59:40Speaker 06

  But it, but it also.

• 1:59:41Speaker 07

  Or, or like no even like, let's start this song idea. It's just like, all of a sudden there's like music happening. And you go listen to the lyrics later.

• 1:59:50Speaker 06

  The older music.

• 1:59:51Yasi Salek?

  Right. So it had kind of like.

• 1:59:53Speaker 06

  It was in the back of my mind. It was percolating. And then Brian brings it up, you know, and we're listening and that's like, you know, I, like I listened to it five years ago. I also listened to it a lot, but you know, it's just in, and so all of a sudden I'm just like, you know, and then, you know, it, it just, uh, yeah, that's what, yeah.

• 2:00:13Yasi Salek?

  That was like an accident, but like what an interesting methodology to be like, oh, here's some songs we started working on five years ago. We just put them aside, but they've always kind of been there. And then when you come back to lay them down, they have like almost taken on this life that took like a wine, you know, maturing over five years or whatever.

• 2:00:32Speaker 06

  Yes. And see, that's why I was like, I was always like, everything's gonna work out fine. I had no, there was no plan, but I'm like, when we, after Electric Brick Wall and then into this Royal Trucks thing, I'm like, like when I say yes, I'm like, yes. But I, it was never my intention to continue that. Like, you know, but I'm just like, I, I didn't have to state that. I didn't have to anything. I was like, everything is just going to work out fine. And dude.

• 2:01:00Yasi Salek?

  Great mentality.

• 2:01:01Speaker 06

  Like, like, I'm like, I like, I don't know if this is really, but, um.

• 2:01:07Yasi Salek?

  Let's say yes.

• 2:01:08Speaker 06

  But I really, yeah, I, I totally appreciate it. It wasn't, you know, it was not planned. I wish I was that brilliant. I could have thought about that, you know, 12 years. But I knew it was gonna work out.

• 2:01:20Yasi Salek?

  You guys didn't feel like any anxiety of like, oh, we gotta get music out into the world.

• 2:01:25Speaker 06

  No, I'm all like, see, I got in trouble.

• 2:01:28Speaker 07

  It wouldn't have taken 12 years, I think, if we did, you know?

• 2:01:30Yasi Salek?

  Right. Regardless.

• 2:01:31Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:01:32Speaker 06

  Well, we're not, yeah, we're not like, it's, it's, it's, it's not like just, it's more of, it's something exists. And now, it's like, we don't get in the van and, and do month long tour. We're like, it's, you know, we play, we'll play festivals. We've played, you know, we've played the Mocha. We've played, you know, just different art Basel, wherever. And it's always that, it's just whoever has us. We don't just go booking like a, what you call it? Um, you know, a, a club gig. Because it's more contextual and I've had a, I really wanna do one with an installation that, that I've been working.

• 2:02:16Yasi Salek?

  Of your own art.

• 2:02:17Speaker 06

  Yeah. Yeah. That, well, uh, we're gonna do something in Tokyo next year. It, I'm gonna have this installation with Hysterical Glamour of, cause I've been working with them for a million years and, um. I kind of had like a little band with with Yoshimi over there. We did some playing and you know, just stuff like this that just kind of expands and then you bring the Black Bananas Bad Bunch and then you just, you know, it just hap- it's gonna happen. I don't even know how, but just.

• 2:02:50Yasi Salek?

  If you started a religion, I would follow you.

• 2:02:52Speaker 06

  What's that?

• 2:02:53Yasi Salek?

  If you started a religion, I would follow you. I need, this is the kind of thinking I need to apply to my own life.

• 2:03:00Speaker 06

  It is hard sometimes, but I'm just like, you know, just don't like, cause it's once you start not having that that faith, you undermine yourself by trying to push energy in one direction or another. And then what happens? It displaces and do do do do do. Science.

• 2:03:19Yasi Salek?

  You're so right. Yeah. And it undermines the art, I'm sure. Like, you know, it like you were saying it would have taken 12 years regardless. Like this was like the arc of time that this work needed to.

• 2:03:31Speaker 07

  Well, honestly, I was, what I was saying was that if you were, if we felt like we had to put something out, like we had some obligation for the career of a band or something, we would have, we could have chucked something out.

• 2:03:46Speaker 06

  No, we don't, we don't have any, um, what you call it, uh, career plan. I'm just, I am, I am in career.

• 2:03:55Speaker 07

  I don't know. Honestly, like that 12 years.

• 2:03:57Speaker 06

  I make enough money. I do my thing.

• 2:04:00Speaker 07

  That 12 years seems like when I read people talk about the album and not that I'm like sitting there Googling.

• 2:04:08Yasi Salek?

  Googling, you're name searching yourself.

• 2:04:12Speaker 06

  And I'm like, I don't want to hear.

• 2:04:13Speaker 07

  And when I see that 12 years, it's like, ah, that sounds like a long time. And then they'll like talk about other artists or something like, uh, and it'd be like, oh, their first album in seven years, like,

• 2:04:27Speaker 07

  like it's some really long time, like they're back from the dead or something like that. I don't know. It's just weird. It's like, how did it take so long?

• 2:04:34Speaker 06

  No, it no, no, time has been changed and it has been changed. We, we, you know about the expanding universe that they just realized.

• 2:04:44Speaker 07

  But then I remember we had, we had, we had this, we had this experience with the Avalanches.

• 2:04:50Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:50Speaker 07

  Where we worked on a song for their second album.

• 2:04:54Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 2:04:55Speaker 07

  Which was 16 years after their first album.

• 2:04:58Yasi Salek?

  Yes. They like to take their time also.

• 2:05:02Speaker 07

  And well, they have a new album come out this year.

• 2:05:04Speaker 06

  But it doesn't feel, it doesn't feel like that.

• 2:05:06Speaker 07

  But it was like, when we worked with them on the song, there were, it was like six or seven years later that the album came out.

• 2:05:15Yasi Salek?

  Oh shit, from when you worked on it?

• 2:05:16Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:05:17Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:17Speaker 07

  Yeah. So it didn't feel like a long time. It wasn't like you're measuring the time. It was more just kind of like, oh yeah, I forgot we did that. Like.

• 2:05:24Yasi Salek?

  I mean, I, I really admire and love it so much. Cause it's like, you're not, it, I'm sure it would be, maybe not for you guys cause you're very special people, but it's easy to get caught up in like, this is how it should be. Like, you know, this, like it has to be once per year. You can't, and you don't tour any, like you're, you're not even participating in any of the malarkey that requires the stuff. Like people put out albums.

• 2:05:49Speaker 06

  The cycle.

• 2:05:50Yasi Salek?

  Exactly.

• 2:05:50Speaker 06

  The album cycle.

• 2:05:51Yasi Salek?

  Cause they're like, I can't tour if I don't put out an album. So then you can tell when someone rushed out an album just so they could put it behind a tour. And it's like, well, that sucks, you know?

• 2:06:00Speaker 06

  That's ridiculous.

• 2:06:00Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:01Speaker 06

  That's counterintuitive.

• 2:06:02Yasi Salek?

  Right. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's more commercial than it is artistic.

• 2:06:06Speaker 06

  But like, it's also just different because we've like kind of moved for like, you know, when I was a teenager, did, you know, do all those things, but, but that was, that was just, that was it. Like, I mean, early days, like you didn't have cell phones or social media even. And which is like my goddaughter, she was born into it. So I love like, you know, just like seeing how she reacts to stuff. Um, it's just not necessary. You don't have to do it if you don't. Like I feel like there's more, it just, it's more liberating for us, for a band or whatever, like a artistical musical project or whatever.

• 2:06:48Speaker 07

  I'm ready to do another album.

• 2:06:49Yasi Salek?

  Right now?

• 2:06:49Speaker 06

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:06:50Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:51Speaker 06

  I have one in my pocket.

• 2:06:53Speaker 07

  We have, we have a lot of leftovers too.

• 2:06:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, we do. We have a lot of outtakes.

• 2:06:57Speaker 07

  Something to start with.

• 2:06:58Yasi Salek?

  So the, the point is not that like we, you want to take 12 years. It just takes what it takes.

• 2:07:03Speaker 06

  Yeah. Until you feel like this is something like I've not heard before. And that's what I was, I'm looking for. And I, I feel, I, I am very happy with the feedback that he's told me about reviews he's written, friends and that it is something, I said, it's, um, the new adjective is really, R H I L I, uh, wait, no, was it really? It was.

• 2:07:30Speaker 07

  I don't know.

• 2:07:31Speaker 06

  Oh my God. I don't even know what my thing.

• 2:07:33Speaker 07

  I can't remember.

• 2:07:33Speaker 06

  It was, it was.

• 2:07:35Speaker 07

  No, I think it's.

• 2:07:35Speaker 06

  Never, oh, no, oh, no, oh.

• 2:07:37Speaker 07

  N L.

• 2:07:38Speaker 06

  Nilly.

• 2:07:40Speaker 07

  I H.

• 2:07:41Speaker 06

  Never heard anything like it.

• 2:07:43Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 2:07:44Speaker 06

  Never heard anything. Nolly, Nolly, not Nilly, not Nelly.

• 2:07:48Yasi Salek?

  Never heard anything like, yeah, Nolly.

• 2:07:50Speaker 06

  Nolly.

• 2:07:51Yasi Salek?

  I'm, I'm in that camp. But what's really cool too is that I was listening to the album again today and I was like, like it might occur to someone that for, if something took 12 years, it would sound maybe a little disjointed or whatever, but it sounds so cohesive. It's one piece of art. Like there's no feeling that like, oh, that song was written six years.

• 2:08:11Speaker 06

  I mean, oh yeah, no, it was like.

• 2:08:13Yasi Salek?

  It feels like one work.

• 2:08:14Speaker 06

  Oh, it is. It is one work. I mean, like it's, uh, there's no like phoning it in from, you know, like our, our house to Brian over there. And then like we go, you know, it's work together. We work together and it's, but it's also, we know it's never like something gets done and stays. I mean, actually there, there was that, the one song, um, uh, out of my head where I thought, I mean, that was fit, like I thought that was finished like eight years ago or whatever. But that was, that was a different song. So when we entered, when we brought it kind of back in, into the fold while listen, you know, working on the others, it, it got its own like.

• 2:08:57Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 2:08:58Speaker 06

  You know, whatever. It's got its own special.

• 2:09:03Yasi Salek?

  It's sort of evolved into fitting in with the other song. So how do you know, how did you know when it's done?

• 2:09:09Speaker 06

  Cause when you listen all the way through, you're just like, wow.

• 2:09:12Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:13Speaker 06

  That was it. That was it for me. Like I stopped. That's when I really have to be like,

• 2:09:19Speaker 06

  don't fuck with me. Like don't change anything. Cause I will know this later and then I'll die.

• 2:09:24Speaker 07

  It felt a little different getting to the final mixes and like this time, at least talking to Brian about it and stuff. Because it's like, it seemed like the previous two albums, like we knew we were making this album and we're close to finishing it. And so what, what do we need to do to finish it? And, um, you know, it's like, when you, when you make something like an album, I think most artists could easily like fret over like, oh, the final mix or is this right? Or did, you know, and then at some point you decide and then it's released.

• 2:10:05Speaker 07

  And then you forget about all that stuff that you fretted over because nobody who listened to it knows anything about that.

• 2:10:12Speaker 06

  Well, excuse me. Okay. So I opened.

• 2:10:15Yasi Salek?

  There was a hi hat there?

• 2:10:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:10:16Yasi Salek?

  I heard this and I know Jennifer wanted a hi hat here.

• 2:10:19Speaker 07

  We gotta redo the hi hat.

• 2:10:19Yasi Salek?

  You gotta put it back in.

• 2:10:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but it is weird. Like I always hesitate, like when I put something in bed, hesitate. But we did, we have vinyl, they sent us some vinyl. We should have brought you vinyl.

• 2:10:33Yasi Salek?

  Oh, that's okay.

• 2:10:33Speaker 06

  It probably would have melted, but no, actually we have AC, sorry. But, okay. So I opened it for the first time, the vinyl. Um, like I, I heard, you know, I approved the master way back, but there's, I opened the vinyl and it was red vinyl. And then I actually like first time put it on and it's kind of warped.

• 2:10:55Speaker 06

  And I'm like, and I, but I, I'm like, that's maybe probably because how I put it, I probably put it in the sun, you know?

• 2:11:01Speaker 07

  Sometimes new records come out like that. I don't know if it's like the shrink wrap.

• 2:11:05Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 2:11:06Speaker 06

  But, um, it, no, I gotta say, it was, it was, it was, it was really good. I did, I, but it had this, it, it, well, I maybe it's because I was watching it go like this. Like I was like, but I'm like, that was probably, what do you call it? Psychological.

• 2:11:24Speaker 07

  We can get you a copy of the record.

• 2:11:27Yasi Salek?

  Thank you so much.

• 2:11:28Speaker 06

  Oh, I brought you another shirt too.

• 2:11:29Speaker 07

  The way it worked out, uh, the physical versions on the record and the CD.

• 2:11:34Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. There's one song, the extra song. Yeah. What, what made you guys make that choice to put that song only on the physical versions?

• 2:11:41Speaker 07

  It was.

• 2:11:42Speaker 06

  Well, it's got cuss words on it, but.

• 2:11:45Speaker 07

  It's got cuss words, but that wasn't the reason. It was, um.

• 2:11:47Speaker 06

  Yeah. Another T-shirt.

• 2:11:49Yasi Salek?

  Oh, thank you. See, I didn't even point out that I'm being that guy where I'm wearing my black. I think this is cool.

• 2:11:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:11:55Speaker 07

  Oh, thank you.

• 2:11:56Speaker 06

  I like, I like it too.

• 2:11:58Yasi Salek?

  Sorry guys.

• 2:11:59Speaker 07

  That was like, so that's, this is like regular band merch, but we wanted to do something more and like came up with this idea for that shirt.

• 2:12:07Speaker 06

  I made the, I made the.

• 2:12:08Speaker 07

  Which is like something you used to see. Like you might see it at a vintage store.

• 2:12:11Yasi Salek?

  My favorite. I look for these on Etsy all the time. You made it?

• 2:12:13Speaker 06

  I made, no, a pattern. I did a pattern and I had this guy in Pakistan. He, he sent like, I made the pattern. He tweaked it, sent me like, it was, it was really fun. I liked, I love this guy too. But anyway, back to your question about the physical only.

• 2:12:29Yasi Salek?

  Yes, okay.

• 2:12:31Speaker 06

  So what that track was done, that was like back, you know, way pre covid. Uh, and uh.

• 2:12:43Yasi Salek?

  It's Terror Vision is the name.

• 2:12:44Speaker 06

  What's that?

• 2:12:44Yasi Salek?

  Terror Vision is the name of the track, right?

• 2:12:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, Terror Vision with Sky. Um, and she was.

• 2:12:51Yasi Salek?

  The Sky for us.

• 2:12:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, she was down in our studio a lot back then. It was, it was years ago. And I had a song I written and she was just, but it never, it never got completed, but she worked with us for days and she, I mean, she was so great.

• 2:13:07Yasi Salek?

  She was the best.

• 2:13:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, she, she, she's a pro dude. She's so pro. Uh, yeah, I, I, I, I respect, I respect that little one. Um, but anyway, so that was like a leftover thing that hadn't been totally. And so I brought, uh, I brought it out, but we just did a sample from it. And it was just a sample from both of, both of our vocals doing in the, um, and I, and you know, there's definitely cussing and there's definitely this and that. And it just, it just, it just made it like, oh, it wasn't done to try and make people buy physical.

• 2:13:46Yasi Salek?

  Sure.

• 2:13:46Speaker 06

  But it, it ended up kind of really work, it works like that kind of.

• 2:13:50Yasi Salek?

  Well, yeah, I mean, if you were being craven, I think you would have streamed it because it's like it has Sky on it.

• 2:13:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:13:55Yasi Salek?

  That's like, that's the one you want to, but like obviously you're not doing that, you know?

• 2:13:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, well, I mean.

• 2:14:01Speaker 07

  I've gotten used to it too. Like I think the album is kind of like flows better.

• 2:14:07Yasi Salek?

  With that being a kind of a bonus.

• 2:14:09Speaker 06

  It's, well, and I really, it was when the radio guys, I was like, that one, you know, I definitely have cussing.

• 2:14:15Speaker 07

  But I also like that it's like kind of a reward for people.

• 2:14:18Yasi Salek?

  Sure.

• 2:14:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, I did that interview talk, but you know, um, it's.

• 2:14:23Yasi Salek?

  I'm very pro. I mean, I'm, I'm a nostalgia person, so I can't, but I think, I like owning stuff. I like, I like having physical things in my house. I like picking them up. I like looking at them. I don't even have a record player. It's my biggest joke where I'm like, record players come and go with boyfriends. And that's fine. When another boyfriend comes, I'll bring another record player. But I still like having the records. I just like, like the energy of them is something, it's just nice.

• 2:14:46Speaker 06

  It's true. But it's like, I mean, space costs so much now, you know, like everybody's about getting rid of everything. So they don't have to pay for as much space in the world. Like, and I'm just like, no. Like I can't, you know, we do pare down, but we have a storage space.

• 2:15:03Yasi Salek?

  Sure.

• 2:15:04Speaker 06

  I know, like, I'm aware of all the physical things that I must keep. Just, uh.

• 2:15:11Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:11Speaker 06

  Just for inspiration, you know, even if, I mean, I have a pair.

• 2:15:15Yasi Salek?

  Just for inspiration totally, yeah.

• 2:15:16Speaker 06

  I have a put, yeah, I mean, I have, I have, I have the Donald Trump Gucci slipper. Like when they first came out, those like, those $2,900 long hair ones. I have those and I've never worn them. They're in a box.

• 2:15:31Speaker 07

  They look, they look like his hair.

• 2:15:32Yasi Salek?

  They totally do. I know exactly what you're talking about.

• 2:15:35Speaker 06

  I mean, I like, I've never worn them. I'm just like, oh my God, that is, it just, it's one of the things you gotta look at it. Yeah.

• 2:15:42Yasi Salek?

  It's funny when people were like, I didn't bring my tiny violin today, but when people were like, oh, after your house burned down, were you like, you had like a real like, are you like kind of a minimalist now? Like, and I was like, nope. It's been not even two years.

• 2:15:54Speaker 06

  After what? Oh, my house. That's right. He told me about that.

• 2:15:59Yasi Salek?

  I'm like, no, because I'm not that kind of person. I wasn't that kind of person before. And now guess what? I started collecting all over again. People sent me a lot of stuff, which was really nice, but I'm like, yeah. I got records again. I got tapes again.

• 2:16:10Speaker 06

  I'm gonna send you a tape back.

• 2:16:11Speaker 07

  Do you feel like it's like you're collecting with a renewed vigor?

• 2:16:15Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. At first I was a little bit like, what? Okay, whatever, God, I don't need anything. And then like, of course, my true self pops back out and I'm like back on eBay, like looking for like old magazines, like all the stuff I still love because I love, I sit and look at them, you know?

• 2:16:30Speaker 06

  You don't need, sometimes I don't even know why, like I just, and I will buy like kind of almost the same thing over and over. Like I have quilts, like crazy quilts. I don't even, it's too hot. But, but for 30 years I've been collecting like crazy handmade quilts and I just can't stop myself.

• 2:16:48Yasi Salek?

  I also think like, you know, I'm not talking about like whatever it is, like consumerism. Cause I'm not talking about like going to Zara or whatever, but I think like in this day that we're getting further and further away from anything being tactile and everything is becoming like in the cloud or whatever. I know I sound like an old man, but like having physical things is like grounding. There's an energy to them, you know? Like, and I can't imagine living in some like American psycho ass house where like it's just metal, you know, surfaces and there's nothing anywhere. It's like, that's not, that's not for me.

• 2:17:21Speaker 06

  No, I would think I'm in the hospital.

• 2:17:23Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 2:17:25Speaker 07

  That's what hospitals are like.

• 2:17:27Speaker 06

  Like, I mean, you know, there's just, I mean, we just have stuff. We have all over the walls. We have, you know.

• 2:17:34Yasi Salek?

  Let's feel like to look at it too.

• 2:17:36Speaker 06

  It might be like, yeah, like, you know, she's a slob or what, but it's not a, it's just, it's, it's, it's not, you know, thrown on in, it's there. It's just stuff. It's just stuff. Like it's like.

• 2:17:48Yasi Salek?

  I know not everyone's the same, but I'm just like, I have, I have like my collector friends and we're always talking and he was like, look at this, like promo photo of like Pearl Jam I got from.

• 2:17:58Speaker 07

  Don't look at it.

• 2:18:00Speaker 07

  Don't look at it too long.

• 2:18:01Yasi Salek?

  Don't look at it too long because it's mine, but he like started collecting like paintings, like, like random, just like outsider art paintings.

• 2:18:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, just something you see.

• 2:18:09Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, yeah. Anyways, I don't know how we got on that. Oh, because of the physical media. Yes. So I think buy the black bananas record is what I'm saying. Um.

• 2:18:17Speaker 06

  Buy the black.

• 2:18:18Yasi Salek?

  Buy the black bananas. Okay. What, what's going on with all the snack? And maybe I'm just a hungry person, but there's so many food and food adjacent song titles on here.

• 2:18:29Yasi Salek?

  And I was like, what, what was like the snack vibe while picking the album?

• 2:18:33Speaker 07

  There's turkey burgers, right?

• 2:18:34Yasi Salek?

  Nut rages and jam.

• 2:18:36Speaker 06

  Nut rages and jam, turkey burgers.

• 2:18:38Yasi Salek?

  Okay. I know this is not food, but tiny Chewbacca for whatever reason does make me think of like a toy or like.

• 2:18:45Speaker 06

  That's about bunny.

• 2:18:46Speaker 07

  That's about the dog.

• 2:18:47Speaker 06

  Which is a fried chicken. She looks like a tiny Chewbacca.

• 2:18:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, the nut rages one was like, um, one of those ones, like where did that come from?

• 2:18:58Speaker 06

  I forgot, I forgot what I was saying.

• 2:19:00Speaker 07

  That was like, that came, that came out of like a improvisational like jam thing that we were doing. And Brian like kind of chopped it up a little bit and was like, it's like, what did she say? Nut rages?

• 2:19:15Speaker 06

  No, I did. But I did. I don't know why.

• 2:19:18Speaker 07

  Like, I've never known you to.

• 2:19:21Speaker 06

  Peanut butter jelly has been coming up in my songs for like 30 years. I think I've got four songs that talk about.

• 2:19:28Speaker 07

  Turkey burgers? Like I, I don't think I've ever seen you eat a turkey burger.

• 2:19:32Speaker 06

  I've eaten a turkey burger. But that was, but it was just, it was more of like, I just had this picture, like I remember what I was thinking of. I was thinking about that when we went to, I think it was like Benny or Hannah or something for my birthday a million years ago.

• 2:19:47Yasi Salek?

  Wonderful birthday location.

• 2:19:49Speaker 06

  I, I, I don't know. I just had this picture in my head and it just became, um, a commentary.

• 2:19:56Yasi Salek?

  And the turkey burgers, I mean, the turkey burgers were really nineties to me for some reason. It feels like a really nineties.

• 2:20:00Speaker 07

  That's when, that's when they first blew up.

• 2:20:02Yasi Salek?

  They were really popping off then.

• 2:20:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, they discovered.

• 2:20:04Speaker 07

  Have you had a turkey burger?

• 2:20:06Speaker 06

  That's a healthy meat.

• 2:20:07Yasi Salek?

  Ever? Yeah, I know. They're like, exactly. They're like, they're like, you know, beef cross is heart disease. Let's switch over to turkey burgers.

• 2:20:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, the white meat or something.

• 2:20:15Yasi Salek?

  I actually can find them quite disgusting to be honest.

• 2:20:16Speaker 07

  That's funny. I'm glad you asked that question because I was, I was kind of wondering like, what, what do people think we're on about like?

• 2:20:22Speaker 06

  Well, you're the one that wrote the sn- the, the, in, in the description, you said it's about snacks.

• 2:20:28Speaker 07

  I did?

• 2:20:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, I, I, yeah, I forget what it was, but it was funny.

• 2:20:34Yasi Salek?

  Just jumped out. Okay. Who's Eddie?

• 2:20:37Speaker 07

  Eddie?

• 2:20:39Yasi Salek?

  Of Eddie's album fame.

• 2:20:40Speaker 06

  Eddie Hazel.

• 2:20:41Speaker 07

  Eddie Hazel, yeah. I think it refers to the sample at the beginning of the song.

• 2:20:46Yasi Salek?

  Okay, that's a pretty direct one. I should have picked that up.

• 2:20:49Speaker 07

  We were, the working title previously was, um, Cutlass Funk.

• 2:20:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, you, I think you heard this earlier mix of it. Cutlass Funk.

• 2:21:00Speaker 07

  And then it changed the title, um, and I think we all liked Eddie's album.

• 2:21:04Speaker 06

  Eddie's album is the only way I'm gonna remember which one it is. Like, I was just like, because it is, it's all, the, the, well, it's not his whole, but the whole album really kind of started to take, I, I, I don't know.

• 2:21:15Yasi Salek?

  It's a perfect first song. It like really like, yeah, sets the tone. Who's, who's the main sample finder? Sample squirrel.

• 2:21:23Speaker 06

  Nobody's a finder. We, we don't do samples usually. We'll, we'll sample ourselves or something. But this was what, we were watching TV and we were watching like this late night cop show. It was like, what was the show?

• 2:21:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, there, there are, there are some samples, a couple.

• 2:21:40Speaker 06

  Usually it's random.

• 2:21:41Speaker 07

  And like in some cases, there's like. Things that sound like instruments.

• 2:21:47Yasi Salek?

  Sure.

• 2:21:47Speaker 07

  They were, they were actually coming from a sample.

• 2:21:50Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:50Speaker 07

  And maybe that's why they have like, they sound weird and have like a sort of other worldly quality.

• 2:21:55Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:57Speaker 07

  Cause you're like sampling maybe a vocal sound or.

• 2:22:00Yasi Salek?

  Okay, but using it in place of like a percussive moment or something.

• 2:22:04Speaker 07

  Yeah, like, you know, planted on like some keys and, and stuff like that. And then, you know, it's like, I don't wanna.

• 2:22:10Yasi Salek?

  Reveal.

• 2:22:14Speaker 06

  Sausage is made.

• 2:22:15Speaker 07

  But, but it was an old, uh, cop show. And, and, and there was a scene.

• 2:22:21Yasi Salek?

  NYPD Blue.

• 2:22:26Speaker 07

  This particular show, not to. Giving away too many clues.

• 2:22:33Yasi Salek?

  We don't have to say anymore.

• 2:22:35Speaker 07

  It was, it was a scene where they're like. Interrogating a guy about like a murder and, uh, like. What about that guy you shot that one time? And this thing, you know, he, he, he needed to get shot. I lent him my Eddie Hazel album and.

• 2:22:55Speaker 06

  Somebody tries to steal it.

• 2:22:56Speaker 07

  And we saw that. I just thought that was like the funniest.

• 2:23:02Speaker 07

  Like who's writing this dialogue?

• 2:23:04Speaker 06

  We were in Seattle.

• 2:23:07Speaker 07

  This guy deserves to get shot because he didn't take good care of my Eddie Hazel album. And like.

• 2:23:15Speaker 06

  I identified with that.

• 2:23:17Speaker 07

  Is there, I mean.

• 2:23:18Speaker 06

  Anyway, okay.

• 2:23:19Speaker 07

  Is there any other dialogue where ever where people like brought up Eddie Hazel albums?

• 2:23:24Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I mean, amazing that you just happened to like.

• 2:23:30Speaker 06

  It was like the whole thing just fell around this weird moment.

• 2:23:33Speaker 07

  The, the, the right three people to like.

• 2:23:36Speaker 06

  And it's the same thing, like with the, the Terror Vision, it was just like, oh, I sampled our old recording. And, and then, and that was what was included in Terror Vision. It was, you know, it wasn't all done at one time, but it was. It was perfect. Like that sample being in it with the background vocals to the, both of ours together is, is just. Yeah. I was like, that's, so therefore it had to be in it.

• 2:24:09Yasi Salek?

  Right. So just a few well-chosen secretly sourced.

• 2:24:13Speaker 06

  We're not like a sample band. Yeah. We're, we're actually really lazy. Like. We are. But we, but we're, we're, we're pretty conscientious and like organized. Like, I try to keep organized, like just keep everything and not let it get away from me because I know that. Down the road, it's got, there's something, there's a, you know, I wanna have it and I have it.

• 2:24:43Yasi Salek?

  You wanna have access to it in case you wanna pluck it off the shelf.

• 2:24:45Speaker 06

  Exactly. That's what like with that old recording, um, from, from the studio, pre, pre-COVID. Yeah. I was like, that is this, this, this part, this part.

• 2:24:57Yasi Salek?

  This is a bit of a shift of a question, but do you guys have any? Well, I just, I'm, I'm, I'm curious about like, I, when I look at you guys, I'm like, oh, they, they really cracked it. Like they're really living like. A truly artistic life. Like, what, what do you think it takes to do that? Or like, if you were gonna give someone, maybe like someone younger or someone who's like. I wanna like, I wanna live like a really artistic life. Like, what would you tell them? Like, what advice would you give them? Or like, how to approach that, you know?

• 2:25:28Speaker 06

  I think in this world, I think today's world might provide, it, it, it might be easier. I don't know. But where it's just, you know, I mean, you actually, the thing is that you, you, you have to know yourself. You kinda have to have gone, you have to get to a place in your life to actually have, you know, the fundamentals or. The experience or, you know, the grown up knowledge like to use. But once you know yourself. And you know what it is you don't like doing and what it is you really enjoy doing, you can kinda parse it from that.

• 2:26:08Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:08Speaker 06

  You like really can.

• 2:26:09Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. So you, so you try to kinda like fill your days as much as possible with things that you like doing.

• 2:26:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, exactly. There you go.

• 2:26:19Yasi Salek?

  Kurt, would you agree with that sort of take on it?

• 2:26:22Speaker 07

  Uh, yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I was kinda thinking about it from like a, a different perspective. And it's like, I think about a lot of people. That I know that are artists that have put decades in to that type of practice. And.

• 2:26:39Speaker 06

  Oh, I'm not talking about successful.

• 2:26:40Speaker 07

  Yeah, there's.

• 2:26:45Speaker 07

  And I think this is a good example that, um, that I've probably learned from Jennifer is like. There is no success. There is no like, like, forget all that.

• 2:26:56Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 2:26:56Speaker 07

  Like, and if, and if you are thinking about that, then you're probably like. Positioning yourself maybe for some disappointment or, or something like that. Um, you know, I know people that have put decades into their practice. And had some success.

• 2:27:12Yasi Salek?

  Sure.

• 2:27:13Speaker 07

  After decades, right? And then I know people who had it early and then couldn't keep it up. And then I know. People who never got any and they are still as dedicated.

• 2:27:25Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 2:27:26Speaker 07

  To their artistic practice. And when you have that kind of dedication, it takes over your life.

• 2:27:32Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 2:27:34Speaker 07

  I think Jennifer is maybe a little like different example than those ones that I just mentioned. She's almost like a.

• 2:27:43Yasi Salek?

  Secret fourth thing?

• 2:27:45Speaker 07

  Like, there's a term for it that I've heard before. It's like a French term, but it's like, it's like a living. Embodiment of art.

• 2:27:54Yasi Salek?

  She's like a bon vivant.

• 2:27:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, maybe that's.

• 2:27:57Yasi Salek?

  That's not, that's not the word you're thinking of, but she definitely does seem like one to me. Certainly a bohemian.

• 2:28:02Speaker 07

  And, and.

• 2:28:05Speaker 07

  She'll say it all the time. Like, like, like, yeah, everything I do is art.

• 2:28:10Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. Well, I mean.

• 2:28:12Speaker 06

  Well, that's what, cause when I, he tells me that the house is messy and we need, I'm like, dude, that's my art. Don't touch it.

• 2:28:19Yasi Salek?

  I'm stealing this. I'm gonna be like.

• 2:28:21Speaker 06

  But it's true.

• 2:28:22Yasi Salek?

  With all this trash in it?

• 2:28:23Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 2:28:24Yasi Salek?

  This is my art. This is my practice. Okay. That's why those Diet Coke cans are there and you can't move them.

• 2:28:30Speaker 06

  But it's, but I'm, I, I, I'm being cheeky or whatever, but no, but it, but it is true that, that. My sensibility, when I see, when I see a bunch of things, like I'll like, I make, I make like piles of things. All around. And when I see it, it make, I'm like, oh, there's all the, so when I. Get to that one, it's all been compiled like.

• 2:28:54Yasi Salek?

  Right. In your mind, this is the.

• 2:28:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, but he's like, there's just this, this, this huge pile. It, it's random stuff in his mind. Cause he doesn't see it the same way. But anyway, he, he gives me.

• 2:29:06Speaker 07

  I think what I was getting at is more is like, the way you exist, the way you just live is a form of art in and of itself. Worth, worth admiring and, and.

• 2:29:18Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:19Speaker 07

  And, and worth being dedicated to.

• 2:29:21Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 2:29:22Speaker 07

  Even though you might never see a traditional success.

• 2:29:26Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:27Speaker 06

  Well, I've had, I, I consider myself having had traditional success in a major way.

• 2:29:33Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:33Speaker 06

  But I don't think it's, you know, there was never a, a moment in a can. There still can never be a moment where I'm Taylor Swift. That would, I don't, I, I don't even aspire. I don't even know what that world is. Like, like it's not, it's so remote from me. So if that's like, you know, the. The kind of meat and potatoes standard of success. Yeah. But I, I, I, I consider myself. Very fortunate and very successful.

• 2:30:05Yasi Salek?

  I think that's really what it is, right? It's like, can you, can you shift your idea of success? Cause it's like, it's really easy to buy into. The typical and average idea of success because it's constantly being. Sold to you and shoved down your throat.

• 2:30:22Speaker 06

  And defined.

• 2:30:23Yasi Salek?

  And defined. And like, like sometimes I catch myself and I'm like, oh, I wanna, I want, I want, I want. And then I'm like, why do I want that? Yeah. It's like, is this a, is this a natural desire? Like, is this an organic desire or the marketing?

• 2:30:37Speaker 06

  It's marketing. It's addiction.

• 2:30:40Speaker 06

  They manipulate, there's the manipulation of the mind is, is, yeah.

• 2:30:45Yasi Salek?

  And then I'm like, what is, like, actually like success for me is like, I never wanted to go to an office every day.

• 2:30:51Speaker 06

  There you go.

• 2:30:52Yasi Salek?

  The day that I didn't have to do that anymore. I was like, that was the best. And then just like being able to like, like you said, make art of my day. Like the fact that I get to like. Make lunch for myself and make like, put like heart into it or like go on a walk with my dog. Like, I know this sounds like kinda woo woo, but like.

• 2:31:07Speaker 07

  No, I'm with you.

• 2:31:10Yasi Salek?

  Of course have your basic needs met. Like it's, I don't wanna like make light of the fact that people need to live. Yeah. You need money. You need to live. You need to eat. You need to pay your bills.

• 2:31:19Speaker 06

  So that's.

• 2:31:19Yasi Salek?

  But like, I think past, you know, having all your most basic needs met and in a comfortable way, like, like, why do, like.

• 2:31:27Speaker 06

  Just feeling like, feeling like you can just tell the world to fuck off and that, that, yeah. Once you, if, if you feel like you can just go ahead.

• 2:31:34Yasi Salek?

  To fuck off.

• 2:31:35Speaker 06

  Yeah. Like, or just, just like you, you're self-sufficient. You're like, I mean, obviously you can't be because if you need. Food, there's not food inside your body.

• 2:31:45Yasi Salek?

  No.

• 2:31:45Speaker 06

  But, um, cause you start gnawing on your arm. But what I'm saying is that where you don't, you do not need the, the assistance of, of. Of something outside of yourself or, uh, institution or larger that. Um, that would actually inadvertently define the road, you know?

• 2:32:08Speaker 07

  It's like there's no success. There's no failure.

• 2:32:10Speaker 06

  There's no road.

• 2:32:10Speaker 07

  There's just, there, there's just more to contemplate.

• 2:32:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:32:14Speaker 07

  That, that you create.

• 2:32:16Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. And that's true. And doesn't it also, does, I think it doesn't, it's like, I think, I don't wanna be glib, like. In this definition, I do feel like you could have a normal job and make art. And like, those two things could be just totally separate, you know? And like, you could just.

• 2:32:29Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:32:30Yasi Salek?

  Go to your job and your job's fine and chill or whatever. You know, it's a job. Jobs are jobs. And then you have your art and they're, you know, not related. And your art doesn't have to like, I think like, we also like all think we have to commodify our art. Like it, like it has to be sold to people.

• 2:32:45Speaker 06

  Yeah. Well, now it's.

• 2:32:47Yasi Salek?

  And it's great if it can, but it doesn't have to be, you know?

• 2:32:50Speaker 06

  No. Well, exactly. Well, that was the whole thing is this of creating something that was one of a kind or, or, or you, unique.

• 2:33:00Speaker 06

  It just was so inundated.

• 2:33:04Speaker 06

  With stuff like just so much stuff all the time that it's like you need kind of like a lice comb to like to like go through and get anything that's got any kind of like real um I don't know like intention that was built and and worked out like so many things are just like I like they're like you know I don't even know you know what I mean like with AI and stuff you can your body your mind can tell I can totally tell.

• 2:33:40Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, even honestly sometimes even without AI I'm like the things don't need to use AI to ring false to me sometimes.

• 2:33:47Speaker 06

  I love AI but I only love AI in certain areas and other areas you do but I don't use it for art like I use it for suing my HOA you know.

• 2:33:55Yasi Salek?

  Period. Yeah, period. I use it for comparing vacuum cleaners. I need to know which is the best one.

• 2:34:03Speaker 07

  Is it Dyson?

• 2:34:05Yasi Salek?

  Actually, no. Patrick put me on we don't have to get into vacuum cleaner corner here but Patrick put me onto this great one that they use at hotels that's actually not even it's cheaper than a Dyson. It's a little more bulky and unwieldy but it works much better. I have a dog and a cat. You know how it is. They're shedding all over the place. This Dyson's not doing diddly squat for me.

• 2:34:25Speaker 06

  Do you have one on the ground?

• 2:34:27Yasi Salek?

  No, a Roomba. They kind of freak me out.

• 2:34:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, I see one. We saw one for the first time like a couple of years ago at our friend's house and it was just and I was like I didn't know anybody really had them but then I was like of course they do because they've been around for so long like so everybody and then I was just watching it and I was just like no dude.

• 2:34:46Yasi Salek?

  I don't like that in my house.

• 2:34:47Speaker 06

  I have more dirt. There's more it's just it doesn't hold enough dirt area.

• 2:34:53Yasi Salek?

  No, I have a lot going on in that house with those pets. I can't be we can't be doing that. Yeah, okay, cool. I really liked those answers. I was listening I was listening to a podcast actually another Ringer podcast here the movie one called The Big Picture. They were interviewing this director Matt Johnson and he he said this quote from Miles Davis that I loved that I actually really thought of Jennifer and he was like I guess he said that like that being a genius is actually just being the most yourself.

• 2:35:18Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:35:20Yasi Salek?

  Which I was like oh that's like what a what a beautiful and like actually resonant positioning right because like when I mean I'm sure you guys feel this as artists but like I always feel the most successful when I'm the most myself when I'm like not far away from myself not trying to be some other thing because.

• 2:35:40Speaker 06

  You're just comfortable in your own skin. That is.

• 2:35:43Yasi Salek?

  Just tapped into me.

• 2:35:44Speaker 06

  And that takes a lot it takes a lot of work. That's all I'm saying like you get to know you're like I mean holy crap like I feel like I'm like you know I I feel like I'm simultaneously sixteen and three hundred and eighty you know.

• 2:35:58Yasi Salek?

  Every day I'm like.

• 2:35:59Speaker 06

  But I I've kind of inadvertently built a life where I I actually I'm I I can exist with that kind of mentality because I I don't have to fit into any any one thing. I just am burdened with my experiences but I have to say I am lucky to have been otherwise what the hell I wouldn't be here, right?

• 2:36:22Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, totally.

• 2:36:23Speaker 06

  So that whole thing.

• 2:36:24Yasi Salek?

  How do you guys balance doing multi because I know you both do more than just music in terms of art forms like I mean you know you guys are always.

• 2:36:32Speaker 06

  I do painting.

• 2:36:34Yasi Salek?

  Do you do photography, Kurt?

• 2:36:35Speaker 07

  No, not really. I mean I got an iPhone.

• 2:36:39Yasi Salek?

  Sure, sure. You do iPhone photography.

• 2:36:41Speaker 07

  Yeah, I.

• 2:36:42Speaker 06

  He's a good photographer.

• 2:36:43Speaker 07

  I I guess I'm kind of a dabbler in a lot of different things and uh write sometimes here and there and.

• 2:36:53Speaker 06

  Oh yeah, you just did that piece for a habit.

• 2:36:55Speaker 07

  And I'm definitely like um kind of like what you're talking about like I'm someone who usually I'm looking for a job now but I usually are looking for work but I I have most of the time at Spin Black Bananas I've had a job.

• 2:37:12Yasi Salek?

  Like a day job, yeah.

• 2:37:14Speaker 07

  And then our part of it was was separate.

• 2:37:17Speaker 06

  He was global marketing for eighteen years.

• 2:37:20Yasi Salek?

  Oh, yes, yes. I knew this. Yeah.

• 2:37:23Speaker 06

  So it's good for him to have a break. I don't need him to go to an office.

• 2:37:26Yasi Salek?

  No, Kurt, take a load off.

• 2:37:29Speaker 07

  I feel like I got off track from the question but.

• 2:37:31Yasi Salek?

  Oh, but you've been writing and.

• 2:37:34Speaker 06

  You've written a couple of articles recently.

• 2:37:36Speaker 07

  I wanted to talk about like so uh lately um Jennifer and I are trying to start a brand.

• 2:37:47Speaker 06

  Oh, amazing. A brand.

• 2:37:49Speaker 07

  Or we have but but we don't really know what we're doing so it's like kind of just like one step at a time and and see where it goes and that's where we came up with this shirt and we have other clothes.

• 2:38:02Speaker 06

  That's backwards. He's talking about it backwards.

• 2:38:05Speaker 07

  Um, how would how would you put it?

• 2:38:08Speaker 06

  There's stuff that's that exists and I am collecting organizing uh we are we are fundamentally changing changing altering repairing recycling and and then I have all I had all these these leather pouches. Everything is named. All these one they're one of a kind pieces, tons of them but we that's just happening and they're not the store like the store exists but I they're not on the store yet.

• 2:38:40Yasi Salek?

  Got it.

• 2:38:41Speaker 06

  Like I'm still we're still in the process. My whole thing is that I'm trying to decide whether I do I don't know any day now who knows what I could I could put like all of it but I just don't think I want to think about it right yet. So it's on hold in the brain.

• 2:38:57Yasi Salek?

  So it's it's much like the much like the album. It's currently in percolation stage.

• 2:39:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, percolation stage.

• 2:39:03Yasi Salek?

  But it is. Well, yeah, I mean that makes so much sense given like you both are really into fashion. Also Jennifer from day one you know real heads know who everyone has copied your style under the sun but you've always been making your own things your own and you've worked in fashion for so long.

• 2:39:18Speaker 07

  So like years ago Jennifer had a gig where she did like a denim line with with Vulcan.

• 2:39:26Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 2:39:27Speaker 07

  And it was cool you know it's like her style like all shredded and and stuff like that and um it just I remember at the time it's even like her like the press she got for that was amazing.

• 2:39:42Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:43Speaker 07

  Like I was like damn like people want would there's maybe more people that would rather talk to Jennifer about what she's wearing than than her than her music and what she was first known for.

• 2:39:57Yasi Salek?

  Right. Well, comparable amounts.

• 2:39:59Speaker 06

  But it's it's the it was it's the context though too you know like like doing doing like you know.

• 2:40:05Speaker 07

  Well, I I guess there's a there's another thing where I think it's like you're kind of like I feel like you've kind of been like on like fashion people's mood boards for a long time, you know, and um like it's just like why aren't we doing that? Why aren't we like why aren't we providing the fashion like straight from the source?

• 2:40:26Yasi Salek?

  Totally. And especially since you're so creative you're both so creative like you're you know and you have ideas.

• 2:40:32Speaker 06

  Well, this is this is like mostly like it's the the Bad Bunch brand thing is is really about like kind of like a like a long time curated collection of of physical pieces that I have actually worn throughout my like whole life bloody this or that or this um and that you know repaired and like done alterations and that's that's the collection that will come out. You know what I mean? So it's just in a bigger sense it represents so that's why we're doing the the gallery show in Tokyo. So like that's why I just

• 2:41:13Speaker 06

  not putting anything up random because I wanted to be seen as.

• 2:41:19Yasi Salek?

  A collection, a work.

• 2:41:20Speaker 06

  Exactly, yeah.

• 2:41:21Yasi Salek?

  Oh, that sounds so cool. I can't wait.

• 2:41:24Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's like some of those pieces are so like unique and other stuff. It's like it's it's not just a pair of pants anymore.

• 2:41:30Yasi Salek?

  No, yeah.

• 2:41:31Speaker 07

  It's like you could hang it on a wall like it's art.

• 2:41:34Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 2:41:36Speaker 07

  And then I'd like I'd worked for clothing companies and it's like uh like I might start like trying to like push our ideas in a certain way that kind of made sense.

• 2:41:48Speaker 06

  See he likes to make sense all the time.

• 2:41:50Speaker 07

  And then she's like, she's like, no, you can't do that.

• 2:41:53Speaker 06

  Why are you putting it in a box? I don't even know what box it would be. Like, stop.

• 2:41:57Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:41:58Speaker 06

  But no, we are good together.

• 2:41:59Speaker 07

  I may be cool to like come up with something and you could sell a whole lot of it and that'd be cool, but I don't know.

• 2:42:06Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:06Speaker 07

  No, sure if we not.

• 2:42:07Speaker 06

  That's called, um, I don't, I don't know. Banana flavored psilocybin gummies filled with bourbon. Not.

• 2:42:19Speaker 07

  I don't think it's something you could try to do or that we could try to do.

• 2:42:22Speaker 06

  Something you could try to do.

• 2:42:22Speaker 07

  You just do it and just do it.

• 2:42:24Speaker 06

  We would never do that.

• 2:42:26Speaker 07

  Follow your muse or whatever.

• 2:42:27Yasi Salek?

  T-shirt.

• 2:42:28Speaker 06

  I'm trying to get, this is my friend Fergus, Purcell did that T-shirt.

• 2:42:32Yasi Salek?

  Really amazing.

• 2:42:33Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, yeah, he's amazing. Um, yeah, yeah, it's kind of anyway.

• 2:42:39Yasi Salek?

  Is Minnie wearing real tree camo? I'm dying.

• 2:42:41Speaker 06

  I can't sell anything. That's my whole thing. I'm not a salesperson.

• 2:42:45Yasi Salek?

  That's okay. You can just make it.

• 2:42:46Speaker 06

  Exactly. I just make it and then there's a website and then when he puts, he, he does whatever, like, like the stuff that I.

• 2:42:55Speaker 07

  I would take that back about selling a lot of things just because it's like.

• 2:42:57Speaker 06

  He doesn't want to do that.

• 2:42:59Speaker 07

  I mean, it'd be cool to make money, but like.

• 2:43:02Speaker 06

  We don't need the money.

• 2:43:03Speaker 07

  I guess, I don't like, but like.

• 2:43:05Speaker 06

  More money is always more better.

• 2:43:07Speaker 07

  Jennifer would like.

• 2:43:08Yasi Salek?

  That's what they want you to think.

• 2:43:10Speaker 06

  No, no, but I'm saying in the context, you know what I mean?

• 2:43:14Yasi Salek?

  She was like, it's free.

• 2:43:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying like, oh yeah, if you, if you're making money because you're doing that and the, um, the way that you're doing it is because you're doing something you like and then it ends up make, that's good. But if you're like, I gotta make some money. I need this idea. What is this thing?

• 2:43:33Speaker 07

  Right.

• 2:43:33Speaker 06

  It's like, nah, dude.

• 2:43:35Yasi Salek?

  Might as well use just use it.

• 2:43:35Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:43:36Speaker 07

  And I guess like that kind of even goes back to what you were talking about before, like with like, if it's bands or something, they feel like, oh, you gotta do the album cycle and keep it like that, you know, it's like, it, it's like this, this, I don't know if it unwritten set of rules of what you're supposed to do or what people are.

• 2:43:54Speaker 06

  It's old, it's dated because that's all there was.

• 2:43:57Speaker 07

  Well, but it's also like, it just was following some instructions of like what you're supposed to do and then everything will work out then. Everyone who wanted it to work out would just do that and it would work out.

• 2:44:09Speaker 06

  Right. And that's not true at all, is it? Instructions are gonna make it work out. The instructions were the only methodology that anybody had of spreading the music.

• 2:44:21Speaker 06

  Other, I mean, this is, you know, pre, pre-internet, pre-cellphone, pre-Myspace, you toured or terrestrial radio.

• 2:44:30Yasi Salek?

  Um, yeah.

• 2:44:31Speaker 06

  Or you wrote letters like to your fan club. We had like there, there was this fan club. I have like boxes, boxes of letters.

• 2:44:38Yasi Salek?

  I just read an old interview with you that you found one from Cody in there.

• 2:44:41Speaker 06

  Yes, exactly.

• 2:44:42Yasi Salek?

  When Cody, Cody Pritchard, who we love.

• 2:44:45Speaker 06

  And I still have the dolls.

• 2:44:47Yasi Salek?

  He was a 16 year old mega fan.

• 2:44:48Speaker 06

  And I love him.

• 2:44:49Speaker 07

  Super cool. And I, I could get another story like related to that. So on Saturday, uh, we saw our friend Alexis Taylor. He's in Hot Chip.

• 2:44:59Yasi Salek?

  Oh, sure.

• 2:45:00Speaker 07

  And he's been a fan of Royal Truck since way back and he, he had, he had reached out and he wanted to see if he could get a shirt while he was here. It's like, yeah, we'll make it happen because it's a hassle like shipping to England.

• 2:45:15Yasi Salek?

  Totally. Oh, yeah.

• 2:45:17Speaker 07

  It's gotten a little weird. Yeah. Yeah. I've been trying to start archiving a lot of this old Royal Chuck stuff. And so I found a box full of fan letters.

• 2:45:27Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:28Speaker 07

  And.

• 2:45:29Speaker 06

  Cassette tapes.

• 2:45:29Speaker 07

  And there's several letters from Alexis and like.

• 2:45:33Speaker 06

  Wait, you didn't show me those.

• 2:45:34Speaker 07

  Like I think the first one is like trying to negotiate like the, you know, like you don't have shipping to England, but so can I order it? And it was like, and it's like, you know, decades later, here we're still.

• 2:45:46Speaker 06

  Like, yeah.

• 2:45:47Speaker 07

  Still, still reaching out to talk about getting some merch.

• 2:45:51Speaker 06

  There's just a lot of cool stuff like that with really like totally different man and cool people like with, but I'm just, I'm not, I'm not gonna go down the celebrity list.

• 2:46:01Yasi Salek?

  Well, I think, I think what's really meaningful is like, man, like.

• 2:46:05Speaker 06

  And that kid that wrote that piece.

• 2:46:07Yasi Salek?

  I know. I'm, I'm so excited.

• 2:46:08Speaker 06

  I was like, what?

• 2:46:09Yasi Salek?

  Jen sent me right before we were recording this like, um, I guess it's a college essay or high school essay.

• 2:46:15Speaker 06

  It's a, it, well, it's a college essay, but it was about, uh, I mean, I sent it to you and I asked you if you had read it. And you said, no, I didn't read it. And I asked you to read it.

• 2:46:25Yasi Salek?

  This kid like wrote his college essay about Royal Trucks and got an A.

• 2:46:28Speaker 06

  An A on it. Yeah.

• 2:46:31Yasi Salek?

  Like, so, well, I just, I do think the power of fandom is like so touching and important. And I kind of like, this is totally intuitive and I have no basis for thinking this, but I just like kind of feel it like, like the next stage of things is like connecting with a smaller audience, but a more meaningful audience. Like I think it's that like the days of like chasing like the biggest audience possible are kind of like over, man, you know, like.

• 2:46:59Speaker 06

  I don't even know who they are, but this is today. I asked him about this, this thing, this badaboo spa or something like this. And I, and it's, I just, this thing came up when I was looking at my email to, and it was like, uh, huge arena tours, biggest in the world. And I'm like, who the fuck is this?

• 2:47:15Yasi Salek?

  Who is this? Yeah, exactly. But it's like, you could be the biggest in the world and like.

• 2:47:18Speaker 06

  For a minute.

• 2:47:19Yasi Salek?

  For a minute. Yeah.

• 2:47:20Speaker 07

  I, I feel like there's this thing where like, it's happened in our lives and stuff like that, like social media, right? That you don't, and you just, oh, I'm doing it. Like you don't think like how it's affected everything, right? And so now it's like, maybe you're not like Prince or David Bowie, but you're someone who has millions of followers.

• 2:47:42Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:42Speaker 07

  Or something like that. And it's like, oh, bigger, bigger.

• 2:47:44Speaker 06

  Bands don't have millions of followers.

• 2:47:46Speaker 07

  And, yeah, right. And like, and like maybe you have a million followers and you, but you have like no comics.

• 2:47:54Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, yeah. No engagement, right?

• 2:47:56Speaker 06

  It's called fraudulent engagement. It is not.

• 2:48:00Yasi Salek?

  Or even the worst side of it, I see is like, you have just as many haters. Like, it's like, people are, like, when something has a huge audience.

• 2:48:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:48:09Yasi Salek?

  Like so many of those people are coming just to fucking be shitty to you.

• 2:48:14Speaker 07

  Right. The dynamics.

• 2:48:16Yasi Salek?

  And you're like, okay, is this, is this what I wanted? Like, not really.

• 2:48:19Speaker 07

  The dynamics all fucked up. It's like, like, how do you find the smaller, more meaningful audiences? Like, how do you?

• 2:48:25Speaker 06

  Well, we don't find it.

• 2:48:26Speaker 07

  How, how do, what's, what's the forum for people to, that like want to be there?

• 2:48:31Speaker 06

  Yeah. Well, that's exactly like how you're like, kind of, it's kind of a transmission, but it, but a meaningful transmission, like just kind of like a carrier pigeon makes its way through all sorts of stuff and finds the right spot.

• 2:48:46Yasi Salek?

  I agree.

• 2:48:46Speaker 06

  And it takes time. So it's just like, you can't like sell it like some cookies.

• 2:48:52Yasi Salek?

  Totally. Um, okay. My last question. This episode that Patrick and I did in the first half of this is all about new music that we love, like current new music. Is there anything you guys are loving right now that are kind of, it's kind of current?

• 2:49:09Speaker 06

  Stuff all the time.

• 2:49:10Speaker 07

  Um, yeah. So we do, we do a couple of different internet radio shows and it's like two hours each show. So like four hours a month and uh, we try not to like.

• 2:49:26Yasi Salek?

  Do repeat.

• 2:49:27Speaker 07

  Yeah. Try not to repeat anything. And so it's like, the, one of the things I really get out of it is like, I'm out, I'm not gonna play. Like, I don't, I don't know. Like, like two hours is kind of hard.

• 2:49:37Speaker 06

  He does, he does, he does all the work.

• 2:49:40Yasi Salek?

  Hunting. So you're hunting back to it?

• 2:49:41Speaker 07

  Yeah. So I was kind of, it's kind of an exercise in staying open minded and, and finding what you like. And, um, uh, if I were to give just like one example, like I like a lot of this really weird stuff that's happening with like, uh, electronic

• 2:50:06Speaker 07

  manipulation of like vocals and stuff where they'll be like real pitched up and crazy sounding and stuff. So there's.

• 2:50:13Speaker 06

  Like who?

• 2:50:14Speaker 07

  So like, like there's a guy called, uh, four, five, four.

• 2:50:17Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 2:50:18Speaker 07

  And, um, Doris, uh, there's a guy in, in LA, in LA called, uh, they all caps. Doris is incredible. It, it's like, it comes off as like really stream of conscious.

• 2:50:35Speaker 06

  Well, what's the history? Where do they come from? What, what are they?

• 2:50:38Speaker 07

  I don't even know. I just like listen to the music. I think he's in, in New York.

• 2:50:43Speaker 06

  You're sure it's a real person?

• 2:50:44Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:50:46Yasi Salek?

  I know, hard to know.

• 2:50:47Speaker 07

  Follow his Instagram and.

• 2:50:49Speaker 06

  Well.

• 2:50:50Speaker 07

  And he sounds like visual art too.

• 2:50:54Speaker 06

  I'm busting your top. I, I know. I, I, I know. I like, I know. I like, um, uh, what's, what's the one I just, I did, I did vocals for two different things. I did one for Demon Queen, this, which is.

• 2:51:09Yasi Salek?

  Demon Queen.

• 2:51:10Speaker 06

  Demon Queen is this project. It's like, um, Nate No Face, Zacky Force Funk and Tom Feck from Super Moth, Black Rainbow and Tobacco. And they have one album out, um, and then they just finished another one. And I, I did vocal, I like did a whole vocal thing. And I think the song sounds really cool. I don't know when it's coming out, but it's, it is. And then there's another thing, some god, what, who's the god guy?

• 2:51:40Speaker 07

  The God's Wisdom?

• 2:51:41Speaker 06

  God's Wisdom, God's Wisdom.

• 2:51:43Speaker 07

  So it's like he reached out on Instagram.

• 2:51:46Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:47Speaker 07

  Um, and so we set it up. We, Jennifer did some vocals for a song that he did.

• 2:51:53Speaker 06

  What do you give me a lot of?

• 2:51:54Speaker 07

  And, and it turns out that it like, well, it turns out he's like, kind of got his own like.

• 2:51:59Speaker 06

  He's, well, no, but also I liked it, you know?

• 2:52:02Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, yeah. That's just the icing on the cake.

• 2:52:04Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:52:05Speaker 07

  Yeah. I think there's a lot of cool, like one thing I think is kind of cool, a lot of thing in music, one thing that I think is kind of cool that I didn't see happening is like this sort of jazz thing that's happening with like young people. We're like, we're like, young people are playing jazz.

• 2:52:23Yasi Salek?

  I've not seen this.

• 2:52:24Speaker 07

  Like, it seemed like, it seemed like what was popular with young people was moving in this direction of like more electronic and hip hop.

• 2:52:32Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:32Speaker 07

  And like people, like young kids aren't as hyped to play guitar or whatever. And that might not even be true. I'm sure like maybe there's some young person with a guitar like might hear that and say, what are you talking about? I love playing my guitar. And like, like, I feel like, I feel like young people have like this real like. Because of the way that you can listen to music now, you can listen to everything.

• 2:52:54Yasi Salek?

  Totally. It's all at your fingertips.

• 2:52:56Speaker 07

  There's a lot of open mindedness that's different um from like when I was coming up.

• 2:53:02Speaker 06

  Well, you didn't have access.

• 2:53:04Speaker 07

  It was more tribal, too.

• 2:53:05Yasi Salek?

  Right, and you were like.

• 2:53:06Speaker 07

  It was more like, how do you identify yourself?

• 2:53:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. I'm a punk.

• 2:53:09Speaker 07

  Are you fresh or you hish?

• 2:53:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:53:12Speaker 07

  Like, whatever, like.

• 2:53:13Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 2:53:14Speaker 07

  Um.

• 2:53:15Yasi Salek?

  If you listen to electronic music when I was young, you were a reaver.

• 2:53:18Speaker 07

  Who cares, you know, like? Yeah. It doesn't matter, but like, definitely in all that sort of motion, like, I didn't see people going to jazz.

• 2:53:28Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 2:53:29Speaker 07

  And, and like.

• 2:53:29Speaker 06

  No, but you have to give her the examples, it's true.

• 2:53:32Speaker 07

  Being like, really good at it.

• 2:53:33Speaker 06

  Tell me about, tell us about the, the duo that, and I like, I think they're great. I was like, what is this?

• 2:53:40Speaker 07

  Oh, the uh JD Beck and Domi?

• 2:53:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:53:44Yasi Salek?

  JD Beck and Domi.

• 2:53:45Speaker 07

  Um, they're just like, yeah, they're like prodigies.

• 2:53:49Speaker 06

  Oh, prodigies?

• 2:53:51Speaker 07

  They're crazy.

• 2:53:51Speaker 06

  You didn't tell me they're prodigies. That's extraterrestrial.

• 2:53:55Speaker 07

  And the, the guy, and they, they're, they're pretty young, I think, too. JD Beck had like, is like talking to Brian now.

• 2:54:03Speaker 06

  Accidental, that's an accidental thing.

• 2:54:05Yasi Salek?

  Whoa.

• 2:54:06Speaker 06

  Just weird.

• 2:54:07Speaker 07

  Cause like Brian.

• 2:54:07Speaker 06

  Do you see, you see?

• 2:54:09Speaker 07

  Brian's definitely can do all that jazz stuff, like.

• 2:54:11Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:54:12Speaker 07

  He likes.

• 2:54:12Speaker 06

  Well, no, I don't.

• 2:54:13Speaker 07

  He likes like hair metal and stuff, too, but he's like, just like.

• 2:54:17Yasi Salek?

  But he's also like, kind of like.

• 2:54:18Speaker 07

  He can if he wants to.

• 2:54:19Speaker 06

  He's wide open, he's wide open, that's why.

• 2:54:22Speaker 07

  But there's like, I don't know, it just seems like there's uh, like, there's a group in uh, in LA called Black Nile, and I think they're, they're like.

• 2:54:30Speaker 06

  What's Black Nile? You didn't tell me about it.

• 2:54:32Speaker 07

  It's like, you know, like spiritual jazz type vibes.

• 2:54:36Speaker 06

  I mean, I might not like it.

• 2:54:37Speaker 07

  But they're like, like young people and stuff.

• 2:54:40Speaker 06

  I might not like, I might not like it, but I, I do, I.

• 2:54:43Speaker 07

  I like that stuff, man.

• 2:54:44Speaker 06

  But a lot of stuff he, he, he plays, I'm like, where did it come from? Is it really, is it a person?

• 2:54:49Yasi Salek?

  Right, you're just like, you're suspicious.

• 2:54:51Speaker 06

  I'm super suspicious.

• 2:54:53Speaker 07

  She's suspicious of everything.

• 2:54:53Speaker 06

  I am.

• 2:54:54Speaker 07

  There's like no new music.

• 2:54:56Speaker 06

  I'm like, it's fraudulent.

• 2:54:58Yasi Salek?

  Fraud. You're like, this is.

• 2:54:59Speaker 07

  It's like, I heard something cool. No, you didn't.

• 2:55:01Yasi Salek?

  No, yeah, that's AI.

• 2:55:02Speaker 06

  No, no, I love, no, but this, it's a shame when my Shazam is only, it's just, it's everything, it's like, what the fuck? It's everything I hate. It's like, I only Shazam the shit that, that, I'm like, what is this?

• 2:55:15Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, like, what is this garbage? I need to know so I can.

• 2:55:17Speaker 06

  And then, I mean, the stuff I really, I, I like, I already know it, and if it's, but if it's something, if it's something new, like, and, and I like it, that, like, I think the last time that happened was like over a year ago. Like, it was like, I was listening to the radio, uh, it was like, what, it was Casey, it was something, and, what, what was it that I heard? And I was like, oh, wow, I really like that. I really like, remember, do you? I'm like, do you remember when we were in a car?

• 2:55:52Yasi Salek?

  Kurt's like, I don't.

• 2:55:54Speaker 06

  No, it was something.

• 2:55:55Speaker 07

  Totally, totally.

• 2:55:56Yasi Salek?

  I wrote it down on my journal.

• 2:55:58Speaker 06

  Something new and I liked it.

• 2:55:59Speaker 07

  One of the things that gets me excited is when I hear stuff that like, however you find out about, like, I'm always like,

• 2:56:08Speaker 07

  like, sending myself messages.

• 2:56:11Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:56:12Speaker 07

  Like, this looks interesting, go, go check it out. You might want to play it on the radio or whatever. Um, and uh, like, when I find something new, um, just if I find it, I guess it means it's like, it's out there, somebody cares about it.

• 2:56:29Speaker 06

  But he's played a lot of cool stuff on our show.

• 2:56:31Speaker 07

  Super, like, uncommercial.

• 2:56:34Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, like, like, like, you're like, what?

• 2:56:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, like, I could, it's something, an example, like, the, um, there's a group called Glorp.

• 2:56:43Speaker 06

  Glorp?

• 2:56:43Speaker 07

  G L O O O R P.

• 2:56:46Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 2:56:47Speaker 07

  I'm pretty sure it's got three.

• 2:56:48Yasi Salek?

  Amazing name.

• 2:56:49Speaker 07

  It's just, it's just one guy, and he's like a drummer, but it's like electronic music. I think he's from Philadelphia.

• 2:56:56Yasi Salek?

  That sounds right.

• 2:56:57Speaker 07

  And it's like, it's just.

• 2:56:58Speaker 06

  I know, I've heard it, because he's played it in the house, I just don't know what any of it is. It's just happening in the background.

• 2:57:04Speaker 07

  And, uh, yeah, stuff like that.

• 2:57:05Speaker 06

  And if I don't, if I like, if I don't, if I don't like it, I ask him to take it off, so obviously I'm cool with it, because it's just always happening.

• 2:57:12Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 2:57:13Speaker 07

  There, there's a group called uh, Standing on the Corner.

• 2:57:17Yasi Salek?

  That's a great, that's a really great name.

• 2:57:18Speaker 07

  And they're like.

• 2:57:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's a mild Davis thing.

• 2:57:21Speaker 07

  I think they're on like XO Records or something like, like, they got, seem to have like a, a name for themselves and, like, but when I hear their music, it's like, this sounds cracked, like, um, awesome, like, I hope, I hope people's open mindedness towards music and having access to more of it, like, makes people, leads people to like,

• 2:57:43Speaker 07

  uh, a different place, where like, there's like a different, like, you don't have to like, be based on everything else, you know, like.

• 2:57:53Speaker 06

  The residents, I'm like, still thinking about the big eyeball on your head, and I'm like, where are they?

• 2:57:58Speaker 07

  Right, I get, I mean, that's a good example.

• 2:58:00Yasi Salek?

  That's a good example, too, yeah.

• 2:58:01Speaker 07

  Like, what if like, you met like an eighteen year old that's just like, oh, I'm just trying to make something.

• 2:58:06Speaker 06

  It's like the residents.

• 2:58:07Speaker 07

  That, that does the residents justice.

• 2:58:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:58:09Speaker 07

  Like.

• 2:58:10Speaker 06

  Well, I don't, I don't even, look, I don't even, I can't even name a resident song.

• 2:58:13Speaker 07

  Came up with that.

• 2:58:14Speaker 06

  I'm telling you, I mean, I saw them, like, when I, as a kid, I'm just saying, what they bring to mind is like, I just, they, they are that, they are them.

• 2:58:25Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:25Speaker 07

  I mean, I just think it's just like, people should be getting weird, because it's like, you know, like.

• 2:58:30Speaker 06

  But see, he's nice sometimes.

• 2:58:32Speaker 07

  It's like, a lot of good songs have already been written.

• 2:58:35Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:35Speaker 07

  With like the deep lyrics and their clever chord changes and stuff like that, like, like, just blow past all that.

• 2:58:44Yasi Salek?

  I'm kind of of two minds. I'm like, you know what? There's room for all of it.

• 2:58:47Speaker 07

  Of course, absolutely.

• 2:58:48Yasi Salek?

  Like, if in your heart, you just want to make a bunch more Velvet Underground songs.

• 2:58:53Speaker 06

  Go ahead.

• 2:58:54Yasi Salek?

  Go ahead. If that's like what your heart wants to do, not because you're trying to like, trick the algorithm or get fans, like, just because that's what you love, you want to make Googoo Dolls songs? Please be mine if I can get. But also, if you want to be really, about the Googoo Dolls are very good.

• 2:59:07Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:59:08Yasi Salek?

  Yes. I love the Googoo Dolls, I don't know if you know about it, but me.

• 2:59:11Speaker 06

  I, I, they opened up for us on tour.

• 2:59:14Yasi Salek?

  What? Oh, my.

• 2:59:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:59:16Yasi Salek?

  When they, oh, like, very early on.

• 2:59:18Speaker 06

  Googoo Dolls, yeah, yeah. That's why I did the interview, um, but anyway, moving on, I'm like, yeah, I think, yeah.

• 2:59:25Yasi Salek?

  But also, like, don't be afraid to get weird. I think that's my second mind, is like, if what you really want to do is something like so out of the ordinary, but you're like, oh, but no one's ever done it. This is like a thing that really like, upsets me when I hear younger people say it about anything. Oh, but no one's ever been thirty-eight and started a music career. Okay, be the first one. Someone was always the first one to do something, like, like, there's no law against it, no one's ever, you know, people will be like, your podcast can't be five hours long. I was like, can't it?

• 2:59:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, but also, it's just kind of like, usually when people, like, if people say that, they're giving themselves an excuse to, to not have to explore or go down that road.

• 3:00:03Yasi Salek?

  To be vulnerable.

• 3:00:04Speaker 06

  They just cut it off.

• 3:00:05Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:05Speaker 06

  Already, and my whole thing is, is like, you do whatever you want to do, um, but you know, if, if you're gonna do, if it's derivative music, this and that, don't, don't try, don't try and ask people to take up all the area with something that are kind of already exist, you do you, you, you do, you know, you do it for yourself, you know, you, you, you, that's, that's why you do it, period. You're not trying to, try, you're not trying to introduce something new into the world, you're just doing an interpretation of something you love.

• 3:00:41Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 3:00:41Speaker 06

  And that's good, that's, that's good enough, like, that's all, you know.

• 3:00:45Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 3:00:46Speaker 07

  I think the two minds that you're talking about are like, connected by like, you know, just being authentic.

• 3:00:51Yasi Salek?

  Exactly.

• 3:00:52Speaker 06

  Well, just be yourself, that's exactly right.

• 3:00:54Yasi Salek?

  You guys, we brought it home, we brought, right in time for me to go to therapy, I have in ten minutes. We brought it home. You guys.

• 3:01:01Speaker 06

  There you go.

• 3:01:02Yasi Salek?

  Black Banana said, be yourself, make art, be weird or don't.

• 3:01:07Speaker 06

  Call me.

• 3:01:09Yasi Salek?

  Be yourself. You guys, thank you so much for coming all the way here and coming to do this podcast. Um, thank you to Patrick for doing the podcast with me. Thank you. Patrick's member.

• 3:01:22Speaker 06

  And Cody, Cody's here in spirit.

• 3:01:24Yasi Salek?

  Cody's here in spirit. Thank you, Rob, thank you, Adrian, thank you, Jacob, for your help on this episode. Come back next week for a new episode of Bandsplain.

• 3:01:46Speaker 07

  It's very mesmeric. It kind of like, it hypnotizes you a little bit, because he has this like repetition thing.

• 3:01:52Yasi Salek?

  Why would you say mesmerizing?

• 3:01:53Speaker 07

  I don't know.

• 3:01:53Yasi Salek?

  Why would you hit me with mesmeric right now?

• 3:01:57Speaker 07

  It's mesmerizing.

• 3:01:58Yasi Salek?

  Just trying to get through the day.

• 3:01:58Speaker 07

  You know, hypnotic, hypnotizing.

• 3:02:08Yasi Salek?

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• 3:02:34Yasi Salek?

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