Our Favorite Music of 2026 So Far, With Chris Ryan. Plus, an Interview With Angel Du$t’s Justice Tripp.

Yasi is joined by Chris Ryan for a quick trip into the mailbag before they each reveal their favorite new music from the first three months of 2026. Next, Yasi talks with Justice Tripp of Angel Du$t and Trapped Under Ice about Angel Du$t’s latest album, 'Cold 2 The Touch,' and the road that brought him there. Episode PlaylistListen to Our Favorite Music of 2026 So Far playlist here CREDITS:Host: Yasi Salek @yasisalekGuests: Chris Ryan (@chrisryan77) and Justice Tripp (@jurtice)Producer: Rob SundermannEditor: Adrian BridgesVideo Production: Jamie Yukich and Donald LoBiancoAdditional Production Supervision: Justin SaylesTheme Song: Bethany Cosentino Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:40Speaker 04

  What's with this band anyway? I don't get it, can you please explain? Wait, like, Bandplain? Never heard this band in my life. Oh, you haven't? I'd love that. Really? Why? Yeah, I love this song. Oh, I don't know that one. Bandplain, Bandplain, Bandplain. I really like this band! Whatever, I'm their biggest fan. Bandplain, Bandplain, Bandplain, Bandplain. Bandplain!

• 1:20Yasi Salek?

  Hello and welcome to Bandplain. I am your host, Yasi Salek. This is usually a show where I invite an expert guest on to help me explain a cult band or iconic artist. Today's episode is about our favorite new music of 2026 so far. Also, please stick around afterward for a great conversation between myself and Justice Tripp of the band Angel Dust, a band I think is probably on both of our little lists. Is that right, my guest today, Chris Ryan?

• 1:47Speaker 06

  It is right.

• 1:48Yasi Salek?

  Who does not like it when I say Q1?

• 1:50Speaker 06

  I'm trying to bring the energy. I feel like in 1980's soundtrack draft, I was a little bit reserved.

• 1:55Yasi Salek?

  Well, you just wanted to like, fight me over Ferris Bueller soundtrack, which was like, what a weird hill to die on.

• 2:02Speaker 06

  It's greasy back on Bandplain, though.

• 2:04Yasi Salek?

  It's been one week. Did you miss it?

• 2:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. It's just kinda like a new gig for me.

• 2:10Yasi Salek?

  You know, I feel the people deserve... Yeah, I feel, I just feel the people get a lot of you in a lot of different areas. But one of your greatest life passions is music, and they don't get as much of you on that. So I'm here to offer an opportunity.

• 2:27Speaker 06

  I really like, I think this is gonna be a fun one because this, this music year is still in its baby steps. It's still feeling around, trying to be like mama, dada, whatever, you know?

• 2:39Yasi Salek?

  I feel like when, people are like, already, like three months, and I'm like, no, but it's such a good practice. Because it's like doing a gratitude list, because you realize, like, wow, actually, like, some fucking heaters have already come out. And we're only, March 31st, last day of CR month. And speaking of the last day of CR month, I brought you a gift to commemorate.

• 2:58Speaker 06

  Did the gift come with this red ribbon, or did you?

• 3:01Yasi Salek?

  No.

• 3:01Speaker 06

  Thanks. I really appreciate it.

• 3:04Yasi Salek?

  You can't give a gift without a little pizzazz.

• 3:06Speaker 06

  Almost, it's a Drug Church shirt. That's awesome. This is also the Drug Church shirt design that I have wanted for a while. So thanks very much, Yasi.

• 3:17Yasi Salek?

  It's just we're so close now, Chris. You didn't even have to tell me that, because that's how best friendship works. I just knew.

• 3:22Speaker 06

  You see a kid holding a gun, and you're like, I bet Chris would like this.

• 3:25Yasi Salek?

  It's Chloe 70.

• 3:29Yasi Salek?

  But I get why it looks like a kid. Um, yes, I was at the Drug Church show the other night. And even also before you answered me on your shirt size, I had purchased the shirt.

• 3:37Speaker 06

  Awesome.

• 3:37Yasi Salek?

  So I knew that you were a medium.

• 3:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, I like a little bit of a bag these days.

• 3:41Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 3:41Speaker 06

  I don't wanna be all, you know, hemmed in.

• 3:44Yasi Salek?

  It's medium.

• 3:44Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:45Yasi Salek?

  The emo shirt. Man, that was one of my favorite parts of my chat with Alex Ross Perry is when we both, um, talked about how weird it is that the emo band shirts of the 2000s, all of a sudden, it's like they discovered they could print on colors. And every band shirt from then is like, yellow, or maroon, or like, baby blue.

• 4:03Speaker 06

  We used to, back in the late 90s, mid to late 90s, the big move would be to go to Garment District in Boston. Where it was not in, technically in Boston, it was in Kendall Square. And then you would get, uh, you know, 50 shirts for $10.

• 4:18Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 4:19Speaker 06

  And then you'd screen the band logo onto the side of the thrift store t-shirt that wasn't already a logo.

• 4:24Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 4:25Speaker 06

  So you have like, girls softball, and then the band on the back.

• 4:27Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, that's sick.

• 4:28Speaker 06

  Yeah. We gotta bring those ways back.

• 4:31Yasi Salek?

  You know who did that? The last one I remember was Warpaint. Warpaint had these really sick t-shirts that were all from like thrifted blanks or like kind of like not really.

• 4:41Speaker 06

  Then we just turned into a nation of drop shippers.

• 4:43Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, we, that's, there's a lot of merch, Hello merch happening out there. No free ads for Hello merch, but that's the only one I could think of right now. How are you feeling, Chris?

• 4:53Speaker 06

  Good.

• 4:53Yasi Salek?

  You made it.

• 4:54Speaker 06

  About music?

• 4:55Yasi Salek?

  Just in general.

• 4:55Speaker 06

  I'm feeling fine. Um, this was a fun exercise to go through. How do you usually catalog or, you know, basically mark, I like this? Like, do you put it in a 2026 playlist? Do you just have all your like 2026 stuff? Like, how do you, how do you kind of like keep your eye on stuff?

• 5:12Yasi Salek?

  Question. I've embarked on a new path, which is front-facing camera videos, as you might have noticed.

• 5:21Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 5:22Yasi Salek?

  And so, not every week, because I'm a busy woman, girl bossing in the Google Doc, but whenever I can, I put a little video out with my five favorite songs, and I keep a little playlist there. So that's a good little reminder for me. Um, but otherwise, you know what I do? I'm a big user of the liked songs function.

• 5:44Speaker 06

  Very smart.

• 5:44Yasi Salek?

  On our employer, Spotify, our Swedish employers, and a lot of good stuff in there.

• 5:50Speaker 06

  As opposed to the domestic Spotify?

• 5:53Yasi Salek?

  Well, I have to assume a Swedish person came up with that. I can't explain why.

• 5:56Speaker 06

  It's a good move.

• 5:57Yasi Salek?

  Um, so I go back there to be like, what was I, you know, sometimes you're just in a hurry and you're just like, I want to go investigate that artist further, but I like, I'm on a walk or whatever, I don't have time to look into this.

• 6:08Speaker 06

  I, uh, I just have a rolling 2026 playlist now, mostly because.

• 6:13Yasi Salek?

  You thought you were gonna have to come back.

• 6:15Speaker 06

  Because, no, I mean, usually, you know, it's like a more of like a crash it in in December, going back through

• 6:20Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 6:21Speaker 06

  hundreds of blog posts and pages of message boards and trying to find stuff.

• 6:24Yasi Salek?

  Things fall through the cracks that way.

• 6:26Speaker 06

  They sure do, but that's the world we live in where there's no monoculture. Specifically, there's no like everyday like, hey, this record came out, it's pretty good kind of media. I mean, there are sites that do that, but they're fewer and farther in between.

• 6:37Yasi Salek?

  How did you feel about Bandspain's March bandness?

• 6:41Speaker 06

  About like the actual results or just the act of you engaging with college basketball? It's big dance. Uh. I thought that there were some really interesting.

• 6:52Yasi Salek?

  Matchups?

• 6:53Speaker 06

  Well, it was almost weird that like your, like the brackets, like the matchups.

• 6:58Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 6:58Speaker 06

  Revealed deep seeded fandoms and like hatreds among people I know.

• 7:03Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 7:04Speaker 06

  We had like a very extensive conversation with Bill Simmons about the Replacements and R E M. And he's so pro R E M and is like trying to tell us that like the Replacements pulled the wool over our eyes and only have like five good songs or something.

• 7:18Yasi Salek?

  He was really upset that anyone would even.

• 7:20Speaker 06

  Yeah. Purport. He's a huge R E M fan.

• 7:23Yasi Salek?

  Which under, listen, R E M is a great band. It actually, I thought it was really funny because that just worked out. Well, I guess it makes sense because we just, it was all based on votes. So even, even where people fell in the bracket was based on.

• 7:38Speaker 06

  The seeding.

• 7:38Yasi Salek?

  The seeding, which was based on how many votes they initially got when I just put out an open call for what we should redo and what we should do.

• 7:45Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 7:45Yasi Salek?

  So that's how it ended up that way.

• 7:47Speaker 06

  Would you say that the voter pool is large?

• 7:51Yasi Salek?

  There was quite a, like several hundred votes.

• 7:54Speaker 06

  That's good.

• 7:54Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 7:55Speaker 06

  Because sometimes you get like those surveys where it's like, we asked 11 people.

• 7:58Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And it was limited to one answer each. So you couldn't like come vote 100 times.

• 8:05Speaker 06

  Oh, you couldn't spam.

• 8:06Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 8:06Speaker 06

  R E M, yeah.

• 8:07Yasi Salek?

  I thought Hole would certainly beat Sonic Youth, but.

• 8:11Speaker 06

  What do you chalk that up to? Maybe Sonic Youth has more iconic albums than Hole? If not.

• 8:16Yasi Salek?

  I think more men listen to bands.

• 8:19Yasi Salek?

  If I'm gonna be honest.

• 8:23Speaker 06

  And here you are in the paradise you built.

• 8:26Yasi Salek?

  So true. And listen, it's, it's kind of like when you look at your feed.

• 8:31Speaker 06

  Mm hmm.

• 8:32Yasi Salek?

  Algorithmic feed and you're like, what, why is this on my, and then you're like, because this is a reflection of myself.

• 8:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 8:38Yasi Salek?

  I've created, I, I built this algorithm brick by brick. I built this fan base brick by brick.

• 8:43Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 8:43Yasi Salek?

  Man by man. Speaking of the fanbase, I wanted to do a little fan service.

• 8:48Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 8:48Yasi Salek?

  I like how you guys don't do it as often. You do whole episodes around it on the watch, right? Every once in a while, you'll do like a mailbag episode.

• 8:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, we've been trying to incorporate them a little bit more frequently because I've I've tried to like move the communications to email. Um, so like, it's not like DMs or like

• 9:05Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 9:06Speaker 06

  on Twitter, ask us a question or whatever. So it's like, if you have like a thoughtful question, I think the downside of is we get rather long.

• 9:13Yasi Salek?

  Lengthy misses.

• 9:13Speaker 06

  Like I have a question, but really here's like four paragraphs about it. So.

• 9:17Yasi Salek?

  Which is, that's okay.

• 9:18Speaker 06

  But we've been trying to incorporate them more into the watch.

• 9:20Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, and I love that. And I know Prestige TV does that. And I was just like, it doesn't really make sense for normal fan-splain episodes. Just be like, hey, we're gonna talk about the history of XYZ band, but first here's your mailbag questions. But it works for, I think, here. So. I called a few. We got a lot, actually, but I'm gonna limit it.

• 9:38Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 9:39Yasi Salek?

  The first one is, hello there. What's your breakdown of listening to old music and new music? As an elder millennial, I keep up with new music, okay, but then I'll find myself listening to R E M's entire. Bill, you are not an elder millennial.

• 9:56Yasi Salek?

  Come on. Um, anyways, I keep up with listening to R E M's entire catalog for a month straight because I just read their latest biography. So no matter how much I enjoy new music and try to stay afloat, it ends up being like 75, 25 at best. Just tell me it's okay. Thanks. J C in Knoxville.

• 10:11Speaker 06

  What's up, J C?

• 10:12Yasi Salek?

  Well, it's okay. You can do whatever you want. It's for country, for now.

• 10:16Speaker 06

  Um, I would probably put a little bit of like my own wrinkle on J C's question. I'll answer J C's question as well, but the thing that's been the biggest, uh, divide or the binary in my music listening now has become functional versus exploratory.

• 10:31Yasi Salek?

  Functional, like you're use, you're learning to prep or something?

• 10:34Speaker 06

  No, it's like functional, like, uh, what, what is a pleasant thing to listen to or a appropriate thing to listen to in a traffic jam? Or on a night walk or while cooking. So there's not as much like, um, oh, cool, a new blank record. That goes on while I'm, I'm chopping veg.

• 10:51Yasi Salek?

  We came up against this when you recommended the band Mandy and Deanna to me, which I did like, but I tried to put on while I was cleaning my room maxing. And I was like, absolutely not.

• 11:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's not room cleaning music unless you're like destroying your room in the process of cleaning it.

• 11:04Yasi Salek?

  Unless you're like on meth.

• 11:05Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 11:05Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 11:06Speaker 06

  Uh, so I do, I would say that like. Taking this last three months as like a sample size, I would probably go sixty-five, seventy percent older music. And when I say older music, I would say eighty percent of that seventy percent is like listening to the Wipers or a very long Japanese jazz playlist I found on Superchunk's artist profile page.

• 11:28Yasi Salek?

  You know what's so crazy? We're just speaking about colonoscopies off mic. There is also an age that men hit that all of a sudden they start listening to Japanese jazz music. What is that? It's like there's like a, like a built-in.

• 11:42Speaker 06

  Well, I'm forty-eight. It just happened, so I guess it's forty-eight. But in general, like I've noticed that I've, I, I'm not going into jazz the way I thought I would when I was twen- in my twenties, which is like, I am going to learn every single thing about this. It's more just like, I will put the Blue Note box set on and just leave it on for three hours.

• 12:01Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I mean, that's really good chopping vegetables music.

• 12:03Speaker 06

  Sure, and it's just really good being a live music.

• 12:05Yasi Salek?

  When I was cooking, even though I don't know dick about jazz.

• 12:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, so I do that and I, I, I've just been really, really, really into the Wipers recently.

• 12:13Yasi Salek?

  I know, you've talked about it multiple times. I think it's so cool. Well, it's like a really cool thing to get re-entered.

• 12:18Speaker 06

  It's not even re-entered. I was, I never.

• 12:20Yasi Salek?

  You never left.

• 12:21Speaker 06

  Like, no, I actually missed whatever like my Wipers phase is supposed to be and then I put it on one day and I was like, oh, this is where Hot Snakes got all of it.

• 12:30Yasi Salek?

  Phenomenal.

• 12:30Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 12:31Yasi Salek?

  Also, like, some of the catchiest songs.

• 12:33Speaker 06

  Awesome. Yeah, I knew like a couple of songs, but I don't, I don't think I ever was like time to listen to three Wipers records and I have been doing so.

• 12:41Yasi Salek?

  They're quite short. Okay, I love that.

• 12:43Speaker 06

  What about you? Do you, do you mostly listen to old stuff? Do you mostly? Cause I think the reason I said functional versus exploratory is for you, I imagine, it's like two to four week blocks of Madchester in order to pot about it.

• 12:58Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 12:58Speaker 06

  And then when you're not listening to that, you're probably listening to like Room Tone, right?

• 13:02Yasi Salek?

  Well, I got.

• 13:04Speaker 06

  Lo-Fi Study Beats.

• 13:05Yasi Salek?

  It's sleep playlist. Um, yeah, I do have to listen to music for the pod a lot, so that takes up a great deal of my listening time. I've switched to listening to music on walks. I made a very public declaration in around the new year that I was gonna try to do raw dog walks and have not succeeded yet. I'm, I'm just like not there, but I'm, I'm still working towards that. But I was like, okay, that's enough.

• 13:34Speaker 06

  Do you have a raw dog drive?

• 13:36Yasi Salek?

  Sometimes, not often, but sometimes.

• 13:38Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 13:39Yasi Salek?

  I just like can't listen to podcasts anymore. It's also, I was like telling my roommate, Bree, hi Bree, that I was like, it's extra bizarre that I'm like, okay, off to walk and listen to like people I know talk to each other. I'm sure as you experienced this as well. So I just needed a break from podcasts. So I've been listening to music when I walk and I've been trying to pepper in new stuff.

• 14:01Speaker 06

  Good.

• 14:02Yasi Salek?

  I'll give a shout out right now because it's not going to make it onto my list because they, the, the music came out in 2025. It was like so cool. I was in Boise, Idaho, a town that I deeply loved, got this Adidas, cool Adidas shirt.

• 14:13Speaker 06

  Nice find.

• 14:13Yasi Salek?

  Vintage store there.

• 14:16Yasi Salek?

  But this band, while I was there, DM'd me and was like, please come to our show. And I couldn't because I was only there for 36 hours, but I was like, I'll listen to this band called Deep Heaven.

• 14:27Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:27Yasi Salek?

  And they're amazing. And I fucking love it. And this first song I heard was like Echo and the Bunnyman. And I was like.

• 14:32Speaker 06

  Do you wish you had gone to the show now?

• 14:34Yasi Salek?

  I couldn't have. They played on like the days, I was only there for 36 hours, so I wasn't there. They came to my live show, you guys, cuties. So that was really fun. I, I do really love discovering new music. Like still to this day, it like, it hasn't lost its like sheen.

• 14:52Speaker 06

  I also like, there's something about that charge because like, I think because if you have a streaming, like a streaming music account, like your kind of barrier to entry for music has now disappeared.

• 15:03Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 15:04Speaker 06

  So we obviously come from an era where there was a lot of consternation over like you had 20 bucks. You had these five CDs kind of like laid out in front of you. You're like, all right, it's going to get like one or two of these. Which one? You're trading in and out. You're selling used CDs to buy new CDs, et cetera, or buy used CDs.

• 15:20Yasi Salek?

  You're hitting up the dollar cassette.

• 15:22Speaker 06

  And now you can just kind of like check out everything. And I think it's probably worse for your relationship for music, but better for your exposure to more music.

• 15:32Yasi Salek?

  Well, I think it's like anything, like you have to have, you have to have rigor and discipline around it. And that's not a cool thing to say about music listening habits, but like you have to like give a song a chance.

• 15:45Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 15:46Yasi Salek?

  And like listen to it a couple of times and listen to an album if you're actually interested in seeing if you like it or not. You can't just like, eh, you know, next.

• 15:55Speaker 06

  So I mean, like, I've listened to a bunch of stuff from this year. I think the stuff that wound up making it on my list of, and we're not even ranking this, it's not like best of, it's just like great new music or whatever. But the stuff that wound up making it is the stuff that kind of separated out of, "Well, that's pretty cool. I'll like it." You know, I like it, or I put... This is stuff that I just feel like I've now started to return to, gravitate back towards, play like constantly. So that it almost now, it's like even though it came out two weeks ago, it feels like it's part of my life.

• 16:27Yasi Salek?

  Totally. Okay, well, I hope that helped, J.C. You have to develop a spiritual practice around new music, rigor, discipline. Okay, next one. Dearest Yossi and C.R., My question about new music. I'm in my late twenties and in my lifetime, the modes of discovering new music have changed a lot, from burning each other's CDs in high school to the Spotify and Instagram algorithms today. Although I do find stuff on social media, I find myself clinging to the ways I used to discover new music. College radio, pestering trusted friends, local openers, et cetera. Because you guys have been privy to so many different routes for new music in your lives, what are the ones you've remained attached to? Do you still find them effective? How do you hear about new bands from scenes you aren't close to?

• 17:07Speaker 06

  Uh, great question, because as we were alluding to, this is getting a little bit harder. And this is the thing I think with age probably becomes a little bit more difficult, is if you're not going to see bands like once or twice a week, and you don't see the openers, and you don't see somebody wearing a T-shirt, and you're like, "What's that band?" That kind of thing. Like, we went and saw Angel Dust two weeks ago, and we missed a bunch of the openers, but like what we heard was awesome.

• 17:30Yasi Salek?

  And I got so into that band. Midriff is the band. I realized I was a little late to that party.

• 17:35Speaker 06

  And that was like a really big way to find out about bands, is just like, you know, for as much as people roll their eyes, like, "Oh, my God, there's five openers." But like, that's how you would find out about like an up and coming group. Uh, for me, I pretty much lurk on some message boards in our Reddit. I really love a podcast called Axe to Grind, which features Patrick from Drug Church and our boy Bob and Tom. And when they do new music recommendations, I find them to be really good. Honestly, also, like, there are just some labels that I really like, like Run for Cover and Convulse.

• 18:09Yasi Salek?

  Julius War.

• 18:09Speaker 06

  Julius War, that, like, I just give a shot to whatever they put out.

• 18:14Yasi Salek?

  So old school, right? Because that used to be totally a thing, where like, a label had like, an identity, and now it's not as much, you know?

• 18:20Speaker 06

  Or at least it was like, I trust their taste, so if Mad at Or, or Touch and Go, or Merge, or whatever, Youth Attack, like, put this out, I'll check it out.

• 18:31Speaker 06

  So yeah, that's basically the way I find it. And then, I am a big believer in, if they do them, the playlists that artists make that they attach to their, like, streaming music profiles, so even if it's not always new stuff, I am always finding new music to me from those things. And they're also, like, really fascinating. I always find it, like, this is my new way of interacting with an artist, like, rather than read a review, I'd rather see what they like.

• 19:00Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 19:01Speaker 06

  And then I'm like, oh, I really like that stuff too, or I've never heard this before, and this is really cool, and so that's, that's my sort of practice.

• 19:07Yasi Salek?

  I think I echo almost all of those things, but I don't, I don't do message boards, really.

• 19:12Speaker 06

  Oh, I have one more thing.

• 19:12Yasi Salek?

  Yeah?

• 19:13Speaker 06

  NTS.

• 19:14Yasi Salek?

  Oh, NTS Radio, sure, sure, very cool.

• 19:16Speaker 06

  Online radio app, which has, like, hundreds of different radio shows you can listen to.

• 19:21Yasi Salek?

  Why has NTS Radio not asked me and you to come into a Best Friend, a Best Friend set? We're available, NTS Radio.

• 19:26Speaker 06

  Let us do one in London.

• 19:28Yasi Salek?

  Oh, yeah.

• 19:28Speaker 06

  Uh, but, that's like, I will listen to that, all, like, for most of my driving. I'll just, like, let NTS rip and...

• 19:37Yasi Salek?

  Like, college radio, basically. It's like, like, kind of taking that place.

• 19:40Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 19:41Yasi Salek?

  Love that. Yeah, I feel like I'm on board with almost everything you said. Shout out Astra, and we also met in Boise, Idaho. That was fun. Big link. That's right. Um, I'm also gonna say the uncool things.

• 19:55Yasi Salek?

  Going on the artist's Spotify profile and then scrolling down to-

• 19:59Speaker 06

  Like, related artists?

• 20:00Yasi Salek?

  Related artists.

• 20:01Speaker 06

  Recommended if you like.

• 20:02Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, and like skip like the first five because those are the obvious ones and then just like get deep in there. And then also, pick their song that you like and go to the radio function. Lots of great stuff-

• 20:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 20:12Yasi Salek?

  -buried in that radio function. Because as much as like we can hate on the algorithm, sometimes it gets it right, you know?

• 20:18Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm. I also like, there's a couple of sites out there. There's obviously like Stereogum and stuff like that, like stalwarts. And then there's Post Trash and there's a Substack called Hex that I really like. And they do like monthly roundups of stuff that's come out, so.

• 20:34Yasi Salek?

  I love that. They didn't check out Hex. And also, still listen to your friends. I just want to mention that there's a whole other paragraph of this where she talks about how our last episode about new music, which was the year-end one, came out the day before her best friend introduced her to ketamine. And she was anxious, but our podcast helped put her at ease.

• 20:57Speaker 06

  Nice.

• 20:58Yasi Salek?

  And they listened to "We Will Annihilate Our Enemies." K'd the fuck out. Let's go. We don't support druggy Osanne and Vansland.

• 21:06Speaker 06

  No.

• 21:07Yasi Salek?

  Um, okay. By the way, like, two of the, or three of these people were from Philly.

• 21:12Speaker 06

  Nice.

• 21:12Yasi Salek?

  That's right. And one from Boston. Okay, number four. "Hey, I recently moved to Philly." No, that's number three. "Go Birds."

• 21:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 21:21Yasi Salek?

  "And was super stoked for the music scene here. Maybe I just haven't made enough connections or found enough things going on, but I'm a little underwhelmed. I'm curious where you guys think the hotspot for new music is at this current moment." Here's the thing, I have never been to Philly.

• 21:33Speaker 06

  I'm almost 50 and I live in LA, so I mean, I would say like the first Unitarian church, but I don't even know-

• 21:39Yasi Salek?

  You know what I would recommend?

• 21:40Speaker 06

  I don't know what this person likes to listen to, so.

• 21:43Yasi Salek?

  Get on Mannequin Pussy's Instagram.

• 21:48Yasi Salek?

  Lurk down and see the places that they've played and done things at. Maybe even shoot them a DM, they might answer. Because Philly legends, and I think definitely would point towards the cooler places there.

• 22:03Speaker 06

  Yep. Same, I think you probably do the same thing for their gutting a body of water.

• 22:07Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. I think that's a good, just like maybe look up a couple of cool Philly bands and just see.

• 22:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, follow Philly artists and then just reverse engineer it, basically.

• 22:16Yasi Salek?

  This last one was really just for me, but if you have thoughts, you're welcome to weigh in. No, I don't think it's just directed at me, but I just don't think you're gonna. I was driving the other day when a Matchbox 20 song came on the radio and I thought, I wonder what, I guess it's kind of is exclusively for me, I wonder what Yasi thinks of Matchbox 20. I'm a relatively new listener, so apologies if this has already been covered, but do you have Matchbox 20 thoughts? I'm not crazy, I'm just a little unwell. I love Matchbox 20. I think that's like-

• 22:43Speaker 06

  Big link.

• 22:44Yasi Salek?

  Big, big link, me and big Rob Thomas. I totally would forgive you for not knowing that if you're kind of a newish listener. Matchbox 20 rips, and I think they deserve a reevaluation à la Goo Goo Dolls, Counting Crows. They've all kind of thrown it out of blind. Everyone's kind of had this so far, but people have not really spent time putting respect on Rob Thomas's name.

• 23:07Speaker 06

  I never really spent much time with them, but that, this question wasn't addressed to me.

• 23:11Yasi Salek?

  It's grim, I must be lonely.

• 23:27Yasi Salek?

  How do you want to do this? Should we, should we say our fir-, our like first shared one?

• 23:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, should we talk about some shared ones first and then we can go off on our own?

• 23:36Yasi Salek?

  Okay. I brought that because I have it and also because Justice is on this.

• 23:40Speaker 06

  It's Angel Dust's Cold to the Touch album.

• 23:42Yasi Salek?

  Cold to, the number two, the touch, shit rules.

• 23:47Yasi Salek?

  Fucking rips. It goes crazy. I love it.

• 23:49Speaker 06

  It's a rare, it's an increasingly rare occurrence for a band to be just continue to evolve and perhaps even get better. On what is this album number of like six?

• 23:58Yasi Salek?

  I think so.

• 24:00Speaker 06

  And if you get a chance to see them live, they are now a two guitar monster. It's one of the best shows you can go see. And this record has elements of all the stuff that they've been kind of messing with for the last couple of records where you still get something like the beat, which is just like a fucking awesome hardcore song. But then really beautiful, tuneful pop rock songs, garage. Yeah, man.

• 24:25Yasi Salek?

  Sexy. Pain is a must. Really makes me want to have a band because like, how fun must it be to just get to yell your band name?

• 24:32Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 24:33Yasi Salek?

  Angel Dust. Fun.

• 24:43Yasi Salek?

  I love this album. I think it's really cool how much.

• 24:49Yasi Salek?

  I don't know how much diversity there is throughout the album, but how it still feels of like one piece, like that nothing feels like out of place or like you're getting jerked around.

• 24:58Speaker 06

  The coolest thing about seeing them live is that like, they can, like they'll play something that absolutely levels the, the whole space and like people are flying all over the place and then they'll play like, kind of like a tuneful 60s R and B style song and you're like, this, this goes hand in hand.

• 25:16Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, it works perfect. Um, yeah, I feel like Justice Tripp also like the president of hardcore. Running unopposed term after term. Yeah. Um, it's really, we can't say enough. We can't say enough nice things about it.

• 25:32Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 25:33Yasi Salek?

  Get into it, as I like to say.

• 25:36Speaker 06

  And then we also really love, uh, the, so we've heard one new song from the band, How Much Art.

• 25:42Yasi Salek?

  Oh, yeah. So good.

• 25:44Speaker 06

  So this is, uh,

• 25:44Yasi Salek?

  Technically two, because one came out last year.

• 25:46Speaker 06

  Last year. So, yeah. And then they, I believe we'll have an EP coming soon. So for people who don't know, this is Pat Flynn and Sean Costa, uh, Sean Costa from Fiddlehead.

• 25:56Yasi Salek?

  Yes.

• 25:57Speaker 06

  Uh, their, their buddy Darren plays guitar. Maddie from Jell is in this band. And it is a rageful but hopeful new wave punk rock band.

• 26:08Yasi Salek?

  People are always talking about like the return of indie sleaze. Stay with me.

• 26:12Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 26:13Yasi Salek?

  And I'm like, this to me almost sounds like I'm in like the house of jealous lovers, but in the best way possible. Do you know what I'm saying?

• 26:20Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 26:20Yasi Salek?

  Like, there's like, there's like a real 2000s feeling to it.

• 26:25Speaker 06

  Interesting.

• 26:25Yasi Salek?

  But in a, for me, in like a really positive way.

• 26:28Speaker 06

  I think, I mean, like, for me, it's like-

• 26:29Yasi Salek?

  Maybe it's just the sense.

• 26:30Speaker 06

  Well, I'm, yeah, I was like, these guys really sincerely like Depeche Mode-

• 26:36Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 26:36Speaker 06

  The Cure, psychedelic first love-

• 26:38Yasi Salek?

  Headshot was-

• 26:39Speaker 06

  -rockets kind of thing.

• 26:40Yasi Salek?

  Sure, yeah.

• 26:40Speaker 06

  And then I think they also are experimenting with, I mean, we saw them live, Pat referenced Atari Teenage Riot up on stage. But, um, it's incre- really like, this song XO is, is my favorite of, of The Batch so far. And, and it's, it's like the anthem of this year for me.

• 27:07Yasi Salek?

  It's really great. And also another band that I really enjoyed seeing live.

• 27:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 27:11Yasi Salek?

  That was like so good. And I feel like maybe a third one is another, I guess we have four that we overlap. Um, another one that's just one song, first song in five years from Ice Age.

• 27:24Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 27:25Yasi Salek?

  What a fucking band, man.

• 27:27Speaker 06

  Another band, I guess, kind of like we, we were just saying with Angel Dust, while Angel Dust is pretty consistently released records-

• 27:33Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 27:33Speaker 06

  Like, over and over again. Elias from Ice Age has done some solo stuff, he's done a record with Dean Blunt. But every Ice Age album is pretty different than the previous one.

• 27:43Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 27:44Speaker 06

  But they all sound like Ice Age, which is kind of the, I think, a mark of a, a pretty great band. Um, and this is, like, how would you describe this? Like, kind of?

• 27:53Yasi Salek?

  It's a little power poppy?

• 27:54Speaker 06

  A little Manchester-y?

• 27:55Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I don't, like, yeah, yeah. It's so catchy. I feel like that's like the first word that comes to mind. Yeah, but a little Brit poppy, for sure. Like, there's like a, like a Brit pop put through, put through a weird, I can't know if they're Dutch or Danish, because I would have to-

• 28:10Speaker 06

  They're Danish.

• 28:10Yasi Salek?

  Thank you so much. No, like, it's, it's not that I don't know where they're from, it's that I don't know if where they're from is called Dutch or Danish, but it's Danish.

• 28:16Speaker 06

  It's Danish.

• 28:16Yasi Salek?

  Where are Dutch people from?

• 28:17Speaker 06

  They're the Netherlands.

• 28:18Yasi Salek?

  Got it.

• 28:18Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 28:21Yasi Salek?

  That was Yasi's Geography Corner. Like the end, "Lushana, Lushana, Lushana." Love it. It's Louisiana. That's how they say Louisiana.

• 28:30Speaker 06

  The, uh, do you have a favorite Ice Age era or sound so far in the course of their career?

• 28:36Yasi Salek?

  I really loved, like, god, what was the album that came out in, like, 20...

• 28:41Speaker 06

  The Sowing the Seeds?

• 28:42Yasi Salek?

  14? Yeah, Plowing Into the Field of Love. Is that the one you were thinking of?

• 28:47Speaker 06

  A little Nick Cave-y.

• 28:48Yasi Salek?

  I really liked that one a lot. Um, also, I might be, like, a little biased because I saw them play a lot during that time.

• 28:56Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:57Yasi Salek?

  I really liked it. But also, the, the one before is really good, too.

• 29:03Speaker 06

  I still love those. First two albums are fucking perfect to me. Those are, like, some of the best punk rock, I think, of recent memory, this era. But Sonic Boom produced Seek Shelter, and it has gospel-y, stonely, Space Man 3-E vibes.

• 29:20Yasi Salek?

  They're just so, they're just a really fucking good band, like, an old-school, good-rock band with, like, a cool singer and just... It's giving. And Star is just fun.

• 29:31Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 29:31Yasi Salek?

  It's oddly long, but, like, it never feels long, you know?

• 29:37Speaker 06

  Like Project Hail Mary.

• 29:39Yasi Salek?

  Like, I did not think that was too long. I don't know what everyone's talking about.

• 29:42Speaker 06

  Did you like that movie?

• 29:43Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I loved it. I was, I was delighted at every turn. I just like that kind of movie. I like when they make a movie that is filled with jokes and about a person... A cute alien. A cute alien, a person who's trying to, like, stretch the edges of how good they can be. I know it's, like, a little corny or whatever, but they just don't really make movies like that anymore.

• 30:02Speaker 06

  It was crowd-pleasing.

• 30:03Yasi Salek?

  It's wonderful. Why can't we just go feel good?

• 30:05Speaker 06

  Do you have a feel-good thing that next? Feel-good piece of music?

• 30:08Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, "Nothing," a short history of decay.

• 30:11Speaker 06

  The song "Cannibal World" should have played over the end.

• 30:15Yasi Salek?

  There are some, like, really beautiful, as you would say, tuneful, like, kind of like, romantic songs on here that are, like, not drowned as much in shoegaze.

• 30:29Speaker 06

  For sure.

• 30:31Yasi Salek?

  It's like "Purple Strings," "The Rain Don't Care." Those are, like, really lovely moments, obviously "Never Come Never Morning."

• 30:48Speaker 06

  Skaya, in a weird way, reminded me of the last Def Heavens record, in so much as it took their sound and kind of like, it feels like they put like, premium gasoline in it for this record. And it's like, really, really beautiful.

• 31:03Yasi Salek?

  Nine dollars a gallon, right now.

• 31:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, thank you, DJT.

• 31:07Speaker 06

  I didn't need to drive anywhere. It's not overly polished. It's like, they have explored like, the fullest of their sound. Like, that song Cannibal World that I was talking about, like, has like, just insane drum and bass breaks playing underneath, like, absolutely gorgeous shoegaze guitar. And it's, it's a lot of my favorite things coming together at once.

• 31:26Yasi Salek?

  It's so good. Shout out Bob Bruno, who joined Nothing recently. I told you this before, but this is my first real tapping into the world of Nothing, even though I've probably been to like, 28 Nothing shows in my life. I was always just really fucked up and not really paying attention to socializing. And I apologize to Nothing. This is really good. Okay, I feel like that's...

• 31:48Speaker 06

  Those are our shared passions.

• 31:49Yasi Salek?

  I think those are our shared passions. And then now, what would you like to bring to the table?

• 31:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, so, yeah, those are like, four. I got like, four or five more I can, I can throw out there. I'll start by shouting out, probably one of the songs I've played the most in the last three months, which is this song "Rolling By" by the band Antenna, which is Tim Shogun's new band after Royal Headache, which is obviously like, huge. I always kind of like, thought of them as soul garage punk. But he's obviously like, a stalwart of the Australian hardcore scene. Australia's a really big country, but Sydney...

• 32:25Yasi Salek?

  It is big, but I'm sure the hardcore scene is quite small.

• 32:28Speaker 06

  And...

• 32:29Yasi Salek?

  You know.

• 32:30Speaker 06

  This just picks me up, man. When I put this song on, I feel 2% better than I did before. This is one of several things that I've noticed, that the boys internationally...

• 32:44Yasi Salek?

  The lot's...

• 32:44Speaker 06

  They're in a Got It By Voices era. And I feel like they're processing the catalog of Got It. But I don't know if Tim Shogun likes Got It By Voices.

• 32:52Yasi Salek?

  Who doesn't like Got It By Voices?

• 32:53Speaker 06

  But there's an element to his voice that sounds very Robert Pollardy on this, on this song "Rolling By."

• 32:59Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 32:59Speaker 06

  And it's just a really cool evolution from Royal Headache. It's still, if you like Royal Headache, you'll like Antenna. But it's like, got more and more hooks on top of it, rather than just that relentless drive that Royal Headache had.

• 33:21Yasi Salek?

  There's so much music that I forgot Antenna existed with Love and Respect. And then I was like, oh, yeah, I loved Cubes.

• 33:28Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 33:28Yasi Salek?

  So much. I listened to it so much that year that it came out and then just didn't remember them at all.

• 33:33Speaker 06

  They're awesome.

• 33:34Yasi Salek?

  So good.

• 33:34Speaker 06

  They have an LP coming soon.

• 33:35Yasi Salek?

  I think Ian Shelton from Military Gun maybe showed me them. Really good stuff.

• 33:40Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 33:40Yasi Salek?

  Great choice.

• 33:41Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 33:41Yasi Salek?

  Chris Ryan. That's why you're here. My first one, do you know this band, Cola?

• 33:49Speaker 06

  I've heard of them, and I think I've listened to like a record a couple of years ago.

• 33:53Yasi Salek?

  They've put out two records, an album in 2023 called Deep in View and one in 2024 called The Gloss.

• 33:59Speaker 06

  I think I listened to The Gloss.

• 34:01Yasi Salek?

  I didn't know about them. It was another one of those like random clicking adventures that got me here. But they put out two singles this year, one called Conflagration.

• 34:13Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 34:14Yasi Salek?

  Did I say that? Conflagration?

• 34:15Speaker 06

  Conflagration?

• 34:15Yasi Salek?

  Conflagration Mindset and one called Hedge Sitting. They're both so fucking good. And so I kind of went backwards listening, but I was like, this band is amazing. Apparently, they used to be another band called Ott. And then I learned.

• 34:27Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:28Yasi Salek?

  Do you know that band?

• 34:29Speaker 06

  I do know.

• 34:29Yasi Salek?

  They're Montreal-based, post-punk outfit.

• 34:32Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 34:33Yasi Salek?

  Did a little Googling and learned that Tim Darcy of this band also lost his home in the Los Angeles area fires. Tiny man. And he wrote Conflagration Mindset a little like based on that displacement and feeling out of control of the world. And then I was like, no wonder.

• 34:51Speaker 06

  That's interesting. You were drawn to it. Yeah.

• 34:53Yasi Salek?

  Shit hit.

• 35:02Yasi Salek?

  But I really like it. And I went back and listened to the other albums and it's really good. And I'm not as good at describing music as you are, but I will say that.

• 35:09Speaker 06

  I'm pretty rusty.

• 35:11Yasi Salek?

  I don't know. You're kind of nailing it.

• 35:15Yasi Salek?

  Do you miss being a music journalist?

• 35:16Speaker 06

  No.

• 35:16Yasi Salek?

  Never?

• 35:17Speaker 06

  Not really.

• 35:18Yasi Salek?

  Because writing is hard.

• 35:18Speaker 06

  Uh, it's also, I really, really like having music as just like-

• 35:22Yasi Salek?

  Right, a pleasure.

• 35:23Speaker 06

  My, my passion.

• 35:24Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 35:24Speaker 06

  And not having to worry about like, does my advocacy for this band, can I get like, published by advocating for this? Like, all that stuff is really hard.

• 35:32Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 35:33Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 35:33Yasi Salek?

  Um, their album coming out is also called Cola, Cost of Living Adjustment.

• 35:38Speaker 06

  Let's switch it up a little bit.

• 35:39Yasi Salek?

  Yes, please.

• 35:40Speaker 06

  Let me tell you about-

• 35:41Yasi Salek?

  Throw me a, throw me a curveball.

• 35:42Speaker 06

  Uh, Puma Blue. So, I don't even remember how I found this. It might have been some-

• 35:47Yasi Salek?

  That's my first question is-

• 35:47Speaker 06

  My message board splurging.

• 35:49Yasi Salek?

  How did you find this?

• 35:50Speaker 06

  Um, this is a definite, like, 12:30 a.m., put it in a playlist and then go back and be like, who did that? Um, and so there's a bunch of different ways to describe this group. Well, it's not a group, it's really a guy from South London named Jacob Allen.

• 36:04Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 36:04Speaker 06

  He's put out a couple of records. I would describe his earlier stuff as jazzier. Um, but as, in honor of like, talking about artist playlists, like, artists making their own playlists on, on their pages sometimes, I'm just gonna read a bunch of bands or artists that he had, that, that Puma Blue had on, uh, a list of influences for an early record, Swan Baby.

• 36:28Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 36:28Speaker 06

  And when I say these bands, you're just gonna be like, shoot this in pure, uncut black tar into my jugular.

• 36:35Yasi Salek?

  We don't support drug use on this podcast.

• 36:37Speaker 06

  Dilla, Deftones, Portishead, Sampha, Broken Social Scene.

• 36:44Yasi Salek?

  It's fucking god.

• 36:44Speaker 06

  Joni Mitchell.

• 36:45Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 36:46Speaker 06

  Jeff Buckley.

• 36:46Yasi Salek?

  Yes. Jeff Buckley is actually the thing I heard. Like, when, but like, when I was listening, I was like, oh, it's giving? It's giving if Jeff Buckley fronted Portishead. That's like, that was like, my thought process.

• 36:56Speaker 06

  Come on, dog.

• 36:57Yasi Salek?

  You don't want this? Also, I was a little bit, I was like, is this what would happen if Prince came out? Like, if like, you were to be a Prince-type figure now, would your music kinda sound like this? Do you know what I'm saying?

• 37:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think, I mean, his, this, so the record's called Croak Dream. That's the name of the LP.

• 37:12Yasi Salek?

  So vibey.

• 37:13Speaker 06

  And it's my, uh, it's my headphone record of the year so far. The textures of the beats that they come up with, or he comes up with, and just like, the- The way that he like layers sounds and then there's like a crescendo like it'll be at the crescendo in your headphones, but it's not necessarily like a hugely cathartic emotional moment in the song. But like, he's just so good at building tracks. And um, I love it. It doesn't, it's not dissimilar from Realize in terms of my relationship to it. Like, I, I, it just transports me, you know? And this is real dawn breaking music.

• 37:52Speaker 06

  Or like Sunday Scaries music. It's, it's really, really beautiful.

• 38:05Yasi Salek?

  And he's a poet, I learned, which makes a lot of sense because I feel like the lyrics are pretty poetic.

• 38:10Speaker 06

  So shout out. Like, this is, this is really cool stuff that he's doing.

• 38:13Yasi Salek?

  This is probably my favorite of all of your discoveries that we pre-shared with each other. I was like, where the fuck did this come from? This is incredible. Love. Just, it makes me kind of sad thinking about how meticulously some artists

• 38:30Yasi Salek?

  layer sounds and stuff. And then I think I told you previously that recently I got the chance to go to Bose has this like House of Sound in New York. It's like basically a showroom for their high-end sound preamps and Italian speakers and stuff. And I was like, this is what music sounds like?

• 38:52Yasi Salek?

  Apparently laptop speakers is not the intended, the way that God intended you to hear music. Like, I think I asked for like, they, they let you pick songs and I was like, can you put on Bjork's Hyper Ballad? And I was like, oh, I can hear every single part of this all at the same time. And I was like, Matt, just like, and then these, these people spend all this time, then you just fucking.

• 39:11Speaker 06

  Put like little white dots.

• 39:13Yasi Salek?

  Little like wireless hell. All right. That was a good one. Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with.

• 39:26Yasi Salek?

  Power Snatch.

• 39:28Speaker 06

  Power Snatch?

• 39:29Yasi Salek?

  Power Snatch is the new three-song EP. It's Hayley Williams' new project.

• 39:36Speaker 06

  Paramore Hayley Williams.

• 39:37Yasi Salek?

  Paramore Hayley Williams.

• 39:38Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 39:39Yasi Salek?

  So she did this with her producer, Daniel James, who, it's the two of them, it's like a little band. He had helped write and produce a bunch of tracks off her solo album, Ego Death of the Bachelorette Party, which I also really liked, but that's like really pop. This is so cool. It's three songs, DMs, one "Duh" is the other, and "Hole in the Ceiling." It's, I just love Hayley Williams, and I think she has really good taste. And I feel like she clearly like has wanted to make so many different kinds of music for so long, and it's coming out in every way. And this one's like zero belting, you know, like, obviously she has this like phenomenal insane instrument in her voice, but it's not here.

• 40:20Yasi Salek?

  This is like, I don't know, it's like really like, I was, kept being reminded of like Tom's diner. It has like a really kind of 90s, like, it's just, it was really unexpected for what I thought I was gonna hear, and I really, I just love it, and the lyrics are so great. There's a lyric that's like, "I think about Wayne's World the way some people think about The Godfather."

• 40:42Yasi Salek?

  Also, "I think about menopause and my sex life." Same, sister.

• 40:53Speaker 06

  I

• 40:54Yasi Salek?

  I love her.

• 40:54Speaker 06

  really dig it when big artists are like, I, I am gonna experiment with like doing other new bands or new projects and stuff like that. And I wish there was more of that. I think obviously like, there's like a, there was like a production line element to a lot of our life, where it would be like, you make this record, but then it has to get pressed, and then it has to get like ready for distro and PR and stuff like that. And now I think, especially for somebody like Hayley Williams, like she can just be like, "I'm putting up a fucking Instagram, this thing is auto-platinum."

• 41:25Yasi Salek?

  Well, famously, she also recently got freed from her Atlanta contract.

• 41:28Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 41:29Yasi Salek?

  So I think like, while obviously, I don't think that she doesn't love Paramore, you know, and those many great Paramore records, but it does feel like someone who is doing the same, not the same, those Paramore albums are very different, you know, they, they have a lot of growth, but... Starting at like 13 years old.

• 41:47Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 41:48Yasi Salek?

  And then, but this whole time loves American football and like hardcore and all these other things and is kind of able now to like experiment. It's just, I really like it. So that's my Power Snatch EP1.

• 42:01Speaker 06

  Okay, I'm gonna go back to Australia with mine. This has just been a mind blowing LP for me. The Station Model Violence, self titled, which is, I believe the singer from the punk band Total Control and a member or maybe the main guy from RMFC, which is another Australian kind of garage pop group.

• 42:23Yasi Salek?

  When I tell you that Total Control is one of the best bands that's ever existed and that I mourn every day that they are not putting out music anymore.

• 42:32Speaker 06

  They're awesome. And this is post punk.

• 42:36Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 42:36Speaker 06

  But via krautrock and, and this is the crucial shit for me.

• 42:43Yasi Salek?

  And?

• 42:44Speaker 06

  The first Roxy music record.

• 42:48Speaker 06

  Let the sax fly.

• 42:50Yasi Salek?

  I love when you just, or you're like, it's post punk, but we do have horn.

• 42:54Speaker 06

  It's post punk, we have a little bit of glam rock and we have a little bit of like pure noy krautrock stuff.

• 43:00Yasi Salek?

  Well, that's what I feel like, I loved that. I like, totally forgot about this because I've been closely following tabs on.

• 43:08Speaker 06

  It's Total Control diaspora.

• 43:09Yasi Salek?

  So knowing what's happening. And I totally forgot about this. Actually, even though I talked about it with Shah D'Souza earlier in the year, because we were talking about Total Control and he, he told me he had heard that there's gonna be a new Total Control this year, but I've not heard one word about that. But it's all, this is post punk, but all, but it's not like steely cold industrial because it has, like you said, that glam rock element and it's just propulsive and joyful.

• 43:32Speaker 06

  Yeah. Yes.

• 43:34Yasi Salek?

  And it makes it okay that they're Australian.

• 43:35Speaker 06

  It's like these bursts of drone that also sound kind of glammy.

• 43:39Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 43:39Speaker 06

  You know what I mean? Like, and that's the thing that Eno and Roxy kind of like, their collision was like so powerful when they did that. Um, this is fucking sick record. So I, I've been listening to this a lot and if you. Are a fan of like various post punk or post punk revival waves like you would definitely dig this.

• 43:59Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, there's no way you wouldn't like.

• 44:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, like I mean, like if you like, I I'd say like if you like satisfact or whatever, but if you like like Interpol or something, you would dig this.

• 44:07Yasi Salek?

  Or Droid Division.

• 44:08Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 44:09Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, it's a great pick.

• 44:11Speaker 06

  Thanks, bud.

• 44:12Yasi Salek?

  You're welcome. This is again, it's never a dull moment with you. I will go fly on over to Ireland. Irish Zionism.

• 44:24Yasi Salek?

  Just kidding.

• 44:26Speaker 06

  Blanket ride.

• 44:27Yasi Salek?

  Blanket ride. Way more blanket ride.

• 44:30Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 44:30Yasi Salek?

  Ride on over to Cork, Ireland.

• 44:32Speaker 06

  Lived there for six months.

• 44:33Yasi Salek?

  You lived in Cork?

• 44:34Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:35Yasi Salek?

  Doing what? Was this your year abroad?

• 44:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 44:38Yasi Salek?

  Did you like it?

• 44:38Speaker 06

  I loved it.

• 44:39Yasi Salek?

  Were you like, I'm home?

• 44:41Speaker 06

  I wasn't like, I'm home. I think in my experience as as a teenager or a late teenager in Ireland, like the the Irish while

• 44:51Yasi Salek?

  Were they welcoming?

• 44:52Speaker 06

  Were were like, kind of like a closed loop, you know, they were like, oh, homie from Boston is here, let's let's hang out, you know? So it was a little tough, but I was there with.

• 45:02Yasi Salek?

  Enamored with Americans?

• 45:04Speaker 06

  It was just like a hard, that part of it was hard, but I loved Cork and I loved the Irish people and I loved being there.

• 45:10Yasi Salek?

  And you loved Guinness?

• 45:11Speaker 06

  I did. I also really liked Murphy's, which was brewing cork.

• 45:15Yasi Salek?

  Okay, so this band is called Cardinals. Um, I've been following them for a little while. I really, really like what they do. The album that they put out this year is called Masquerade. Kind of hard to describe because they have a lot going on. A little post punk, but a little like folky. I hear a little power pop, but as much as I don't trust my

• 45:35Yasi Salek?

  self to describe music and everything I read, no one said power pop, so I was like, okay, but it is definitely catchy. They have an accordion player.

• 45:42Speaker 06

  Hell, yeah.

• 45:43Yasi Salek?

  It's.

• 45:44Speaker 06

  I did not know that. I like this Cardinals record, but I didn't.

• 45:46Yasi Salek?

  Fucking hell, yeah, because it's giving that extra, kind of like you were talking about the saxophone.

• 45:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 45:50Yasi Salek?

  Like, it gives this like unusual.

• 45:54Yasi Salek?

  Flavor to it. The album seems, I mean, you listen to it. It goes between kind of like, I think, a few, two polarities, maybe like more intense, sort of like, post-punky stuff. The stuff that I kind of like better is like the really ear-worthy poppy stuff. That's like love songs, you know? They are Graham Chatten from Fontaine's DC's favorite band, apparently.

• 46:15Speaker 06

  Can I tell you somebody else who likes them a lot?

• 46:17Yasi Salek?

  Who?

• 46:18Speaker 06

  Killian Murphy loves Cardinals. And if, so if you don't want to take Yasi's word for it, take J. Robert Oppenheimer's word for it.

• 46:26Yasi Salek?

  There's like a couple actors where I'm like, oh, I didn't know you knew ball like this. Do you know what I mean? Killian Murphy's one. Right now, my top one is... American Psycho?

• 46:37Speaker 06

  Christian Bale.

• 46:37Yasi Salek?

  Christian fucking Bale. Did you see that interview he did where he was like, oh, I think my favorite album is bummed by the Happy Mondays? And I was like, okay, sis. Like, what? Like, okay. I was like... And then, my beloved, Dr. Abbott of the television program The Pit. Look at this, the watch bands.

• 46:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, Sean Haddacy.

• 46:58Yasi Salek?

  Sean Haddacy. As we've maybe talked about off-mic, I recently learned that he was himself in several bands in the early 90s, although even with my FBI skills, I could not find any recordings. If you guys were in a band with Sean Haddacy in the early 90s, that sounded like tool or the late 80s.

• 47:13Speaker 06

  Maybe he spent a lot of time and money suppressing this information, if you thought about that.

• 47:16Yasi Salek?

  Doesn't mean I won't get it.

• 47:17Speaker 06

  But what if that, like, is the deal breaker of him joining you on Band's Plane?

• 47:20Yasi Salek?

  I don't know him, but he feels like a, I am cringe, but I am free, I'm joyful in the world, and this is who I am. And I don't think he would hide it.

• 47:28Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 47:29Yasi Salek?

  But he posted, I don't know if you saw this, it was actually last year, but it just got surfaced in my algorithm. He posted a playlist that he made of what he imagined Dr. Abbott would listen to.

• 47:39Speaker 06

  And what is it?

• 47:41Yasi Salek?

  You really need to come on and say it. Doll Parts by Hole, Pretty in Pink by the Psychedelic Furs, Only You by Yaz, Drowned by the Smashing Pumpkins, my favorite Smashing Pumpkins song. Bit of a deep cut. Not a deep cut, but it's the single soundtrack one.

• 47:54Speaker 06

  It's the cool girl pick.

• 47:55Yasi Salek?

  Waiting Room by Fugazi.

• 47:57Speaker 06

  Uh huh.

• 47:59Yasi Salek?

  The Fear by Pulp. The Fear. Thinking About You, Radiohead, he has a lush song on here. My, a morphine song.

• 48:08Speaker 06

  So Dr. Abbott was just college rocked out?

• 48:11Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I mean, I guess Dr. Abbott has some darkness.

• 48:15Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 48:15Yasi Salek?

  And likes to listen to Fugazi. And Doll Parts by Hole because he's an ally.

• 48:22Speaker 06

  Is he your favorite doctor on the pit?

• 48:25Yasi Salek?

  Hmm. I love them all so much. I think probably my, my core wounding is that I would still take a bullet for Dr. Robbie.

• 48:35Yasi Salek?

  Like. Yeah, like this is why, like, I need, I need years of therapy because I'm like, I can fix him.

• 48:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 48:42Yasi Salek?

  I'm still like, oh, I can fix him.

• 48:44Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 48:45Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, anyways, I don't know.

• 48:46Speaker 06

  Would you let him ride a motorcycle without a helmet?

• 48:49Yasi Salek?

  Let him, he's a grown man.

• 48:50Speaker 06

  Sure. You're, you're kind of falling behind on the fixing him part then.

• 48:55Yasi Salek?

  I know, it's true. Um, okay, well, that's been the pit corner here on Man's Plan. Also, we should shout out Nurse Jesse.

• 49:02Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 49:04Speaker 06

  What do you think Dana listens to?

• 49:08Yasi Salek?

  Fleetwood Mac?

• 49:09Speaker 06

  Early eighties Madonna.

• 49:11Yasi Salek?

  Oh, hell, yeah. I think we've only been thinking about that because we're doing Madonna Month. I feel like Dana listens to like Heart.

• 49:17Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 49:18Yasi Salek?

  You know what I mean?

• 49:18Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 49:19Yasi Salek?

  Like.

• 49:20Speaker 06

  Magic Man, Bearcruel.

• 49:21Yasi Salek?

  Belinda Carlisle solo records, like, yeah, yeah. Um, but Nurse Jesse has an album called Bloodwork. Why, it's so rude that I can't remember his name right now.

• 49:31Speaker 06

  Uh, it's been interesting to come across a couple.

• 49:32Yasi Salek?

  Ned Brouwer is here. I'm sorry, you're always Nurse Jesse in my heart. Bloodwork is his album, please go on.

• 49:37Speaker 06

  I just found out that, uh, Luke Grimes, who plays Casey in the Extended Yellowstone Universe, uh, has an album called Luke Grimes.

• 49:44Yasi Salek?

  Wasn't he a country artist first?

• 49:47Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 49:47Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I knew that because of like osmosis. I've never listened to it.

• 49:51Speaker 06

  Have you ever watched Yellowstone?

• 49:52Yasi Salek?

  No, I'm still, I still haven't even finished, um, Landman. I'm still like mid-season two because now we had to stop You Got Us on Paradise.

• 50:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, we did get you on Paradise.

• 50:03Yasi Salek?

  Which, bro. Now we're at the part where I'm like, oh, now we got time travel.

• 50:09Speaker 06

  Did you get season two?

• 50:10Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, we're in season two and it hasn't like fully come out yet, but me and Bree were sitting there and I was like.

• 50:15Speaker 06

  These nose please.

• 50:16Yasi Salek?

  He said quantum physics. This shit's gonna be, it's gonna be time. Cause she was like, why did he see that person that he's never met? I was like, oh, I have to get in the time travel.

• 50:24Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 50:25Yasi Salek?

  Sub plot, but I'm there. I'm, I'm, I'm in. All right. I think it's your turn.

• 50:28Speaker 06

  It is my turn. Um, I gotta be me and I gotta say that this Zach Bryan record is just really good.

• 50:36Yasi Salek?

  Yellowstone.

• 50:37Speaker 06

  Uh, with Heaven on Top is the name of, of his most recent album came out, I believe in February. Um, this guy never stops putting out music even before this. With Heaven on Top is him in collaboration with a NYC indie rock band that I personally had not.

• 50:53Yasi Salek?

  What was it called?

• 50:54Speaker 06

  Heaven on Top.

• 50:54Yasi Salek?

  Oh, okay.

• 50:56Speaker 06

  And you wouldn't really, like, I think they add some nice flourishes, but it sounds like a Zach Bryan record for the most part. This is a, a real breakup jam, real collection of breakup songs.

• 51:09Yasi Salek?

  Breakup from Brown and Chicken Fry.

• 51:10Speaker 06

  He's had some public romantic, uh, um, fallouts, but this is like, it feels tighter than the last couple of records. I'm not like a completist or like, I don't have any Zach Bryan lyrics tattooed on my body.

• 51:25Yasi Salek?

  Do you have any lyrics tattooed on your body?

• 51:26Speaker 06

  I have the cranky records logo on my arm.

• 51:30Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 51:30Speaker 06

  And I have a, a book cover of All The Solid Melts Into Air. It's just a book about modernity and I have that book cover on my arm, other arm.

• 51:38Yasi Salek?

  Do you know I have a tattoo of a heart that has, says books in it, like, like mom, like a sailor.

• 51:44Speaker 06

  Wait, this is books?

• 51:45Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 51:45Speaker 06

  Nice. Will you be getting any Zach Bryan lyrics tattooed on you?

• 51:50Yasi Salek?

  I think I'm all lyric tattooed out. I have a Pavement one and a Replacements one and I should probably just call it a day.

• 51:57Speaker 06

  Uh, plastic cigarette on this album is fucking handsome. Yeah.

• 52:00Yasi Salek?

  I'm, you played it a little for me before we started recording and I was like, God fucking damn it.

• 52:05Speaker 06

  I know.

• 52:07Yasi Salek?

  Gets me every time, this guy. Whenever I think I've quit you.

• 52:11Speaker 06

  Yeah. He just names a street or a road, talks about smoking cigarettes and talks about regret.

• 52:17Yasi Salek?

  It's just like so mournful, but in my exact flavor of mournful.

• 52:31Yasi Salek?

  But I don't support.

• 52:33Speaker 06

  Breaking up with women?

• 52:33Yasi Salek?

  His treatment of Brianna Chicken Fry.

• 52:35Speaker 06

  Okay, that's nice.

• 52:36Yasi Salek?

  I support women.

• 52:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, I don't know the details.

• 52:38Yasi Salek?

  I don't either, actually. I just like Brianna Chicken Fry's TikToks.

• 52:42Speaker 06

  You want to rattle off a couple more?

• 52:43Yasi Salek?

  Yes.

• 52:43Speaker 06

  Some honorable mentions?

• 52:44Yasi Salek?

  Well, I have a couple more real ones.

• 52:46Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 52:47Yasi Salek?

  Did you already finish your real ones?

• 52:47Speaker 06

  No, I have two more.

• 52:48Yasi Salek?

  I have, yeah, I have two or three more. Two of these are, I've talked about, so I won't go into detail, but one, you guys already know. I'm a Joyce Manor stan. Those are my boys. That's my Bre- Torn's brethren. I Used to Go to This Bar is a really good album, produced by Breast, Breast, that's not how you say it. Brett Gurwitz, of Bad Religion, heard of him.

• 53:11Yasi Salek?

  And there are many great bangers on here. I'm really partial to All My Friends Are So Depressed, because it's kind of twangy. And the album closer, Grey Guitar, is just kind of a god tier song. It's just catchy and hooky and kind of sad and has a weird... I think Brett Gurwitz called him like the Bukowski of punk rock because of the way he writes lyrics.

• 53:32Speaker 06

  Oh, that's good.

• 53:32Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, and this Grey Guitar is kind of that short story thing.

• 53:35Speaker 06

  We're doing a lot to support bands in their middle age, their mid-career.

• 53:39Yasi Salek?

  Do you think it's because we're in our middle age?

• 53:41Speaker 06

  I, well, I think it's because it's, it's something that we appreciate. It's like a band that can be like 10 years, 12 years, 15 years deep and still making cool, interesting music. It's really, really awesome.

• 53:52Yasi Salek?

  Well, to just to counteract that, I'm gonna tell you about Lightress.

• 53:57Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 53:57Yasi Salek?

  This song I'm fucking living for called Up Down, shown to me by Carrie Batain, the Queen.

• 54:03Speaker 06

  And you said this is smooth brain music?

• 54:05Yasi Salek?

  Absolute smooth brain music, it's lobotomy music. I, I kind of coined this term when I started getting really into Blade. Do you listen to Blade?

• 54:12Speaker 06

  Yes, I do.

• 54:13Yasi Salek?

  I love Blade, but for that exact reason. I put that on, brain off.

• 54:20Yasi Salek?

  Do you know what I mean? And it's like so wonderful. It's just like a little switch. It's a Wisconsin, he, he's a rapper from a Wisconsin collective called Run Along Forever. The other guys are Ayu Lil, Ayu Lee, Kill Don, 414 Big Frank.

• 54:38Yasi Salek?

  Just incredible. Mano Sunderson of Pitchfork put it this way, so I'm just gonna use his, I think it's a man, their words.

• 54:48Yasi Salek?

  "The internet is still occasionally truly beautiful because how else would we end up with a white kid from Madison, Wisconsin, doing drain gang vocal flutters over Milwaukee Lowen beats?" It's just brain off.

• 55:08Speaker 06

  When I really want to turn my brain off, do you know what I listen to?

• 55:11Yasi Salek?

  Japanese jazz?

• 55:13Speaker 06

  An eight-hour white noise playlist of spaceship sounds?

• 55:20Speaker 06

  It's sick.

• 55:21Yasi Salek?

  That's so scary.

• 55:25Yasi Salek?

  That's like, you might as well-

• 55:26Speaker 06

  It sounds like you're in hypers-

• 55:27Yasi Salek?

  You might as well put the grippy socks- Just put the grippy socks on and like go full, because that's like, that's like commitment level.

• 55:35Speaker 06

  I'm gonna shout out two Philly bands, or two Philly artists. I wanna say what's up to the, no, say what's up-

• 55:41Yasi Salek?

  Say what's up, brother.

• 55:42Speaker 06

  Say what's up.

• 55:42Yasi Salek?

  Big link.

• 55:44Speaker 06

  Nix Nix, Habitual Relax EP. This is NYX NYX for people playing at home and who are looking this up. These are like, I believe, the, I believe They're Getting a Body of Water described Nix Nix as your favorite band's favorite band. And there are like, there's like a legacy of bands from Philly like that, like Barto Pond or whatever. He was shouting out some of those other bands as well, so I'm kinda stealing that take. But, Nix Nix is fucking gauzy. Neil Young via Kevin Shields, just like pilled out anthems of depression.

• 56:25Speaker 06

  And I really love it when Madeline from Midwife sings in this band, but these are, these are just awesome, awesome tracks. My favorite on the Habitual Relax EP is a song called Nirvana.

• 56:37Yasi Salek?

  It's called, I love it, the little thing, shoegazing. I like Running from the Cops.

• 56:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 56:41Yasi Salek?

  Because it's giving Buffalo Tom. And I'm not just saying that because we earlier spoke about Buffalo Tom. I talk about Buffalo Tom almost every day. But it was giving me that warm.

• 56:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 56:50Yasi Salek?

  Buffalo palm.

• 56:51Speaker 06

  This was, this was the other example of like, I feel like the, the GBV influence is really appearing. Uh, the other Philly artist I wanted to shout out was Greg Mendez. Who is a singer songwriter from Philadelphia that I love. He has a song from a couple of years ago called Bike. Just the fucking goat saddest.

• 57:12Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 57:13Speaker 06

  KMS show, song I have. Um, but, uh, he has a new single out called I Wanna Feel Pretty. And there's an album coming in about two months that I can't wait for. And if you like Elliott Smith, or like Quiet Big Star.

• 57:28Speaker 06

  Yeah, just fucking, yeah, cry it out.

• 57:31Yasi Salek?

  And then put on light dress. So when you, it's like when you take a Xanax and a line. Um, okay. That was, those were great. Ringing.

• 57:41Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:42Yasi Salek?

  Is a band that is also on Julia's War. Um, that I found via PR email roulette, which I like to play sometimes. Do you, do you still get PR emails?

• 57:51Speaker 06

  Sometimes, but you just like open one up and be like, I'll give it a chance.

• 57:54Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I get a lot. So like, I'm, I love and respect to my publicist, but like, I don't, I don't open them all.

• 58:00Speaker 06

  Do you have a publicist?

• 58:01Yasi Salek?

  Me personally?

• 58:02Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 58:02Yasi Salek?

  No, do you?

• 58:03Speaker 06

  No.

• 58:03Yasi Salek?

  Really?

• 58:04Speaker 06

  No.

• 58:04Yasi Salek?

  CR month happened just by on the strength.

• 58:06Speaker 06

  Organ, it's word of mouth.

• 58:12Yasi Salek?

  Word of mouth, I'm dead. Just word of mouth, brother. Yeah, I loved, I just opened, I think I just liked the name. I was like, that's a cool name, Ringing.

• 58:24Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 58:24Yasi Salek?

  Weird band name. And it's really good. I don't know how to describe it. If, it's just, if you like Julia's War type music, get involved. They're, they're an actual New York band, which is like, kind of.

• 58:35Speaker 06

  Increasingly rare.

• 58:36Yasi Salek?

  These days.

• 58:36Speaker 06

  In Mom Donny's Big Apple.

• 58:37Yasi Salek?

  In Mom, well, in Mom Donny, I think is trying to bring back.

• 58:40Speaker 06

  Did you see the late, one of the ladies who's running for mayor here?

• 58:42Yasi Salek?

  Yes.

• 58:43Speaker 06

  Not Nithya.

• 58:44Yasi Salek?

  Mm-hmm.

• 58:45Speaker 06

  But somebody was like, I'm bringing nightlife back to LA.

• 58:47Yasi Salek?

  And in what, and is that nightlife in the room with us right now? They just, they just closed takes. What, what are we doing?

• 58:53Speaker 06

  I don't know, but I'm just like, stand open, having, having shows, I guess. I don't know, going to the hills for after parties.

• 58:59Yasi Salek?

  I'm like, that's not, that's been available. No, they had a crackdown that you can't go to after parties.

• 59:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's not, it's not.

• 59:08Yasi Salek?

  At a guy called Angel's House.

• 59:10Speaker 06

  Just because everybody decided they're gonna get up at 5:30, you know?

• 59:12Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 59:13Speaker 06

  And, and drink wellness shots, doesn't.

• 59:15Yasi Salek?

  Oh, I think, I need a mayor to run the platform of like, we're gonna clean up the influencers.

• 59:20Speaker 06

  Clean them up, do what with them?

• 59:22Yasi Salek?

  Like, like criminals.

• 59:23Speaker 06

  Criminalize it.

• 59:24Yasi Salek?

  Like, let's, let's like, we need to lower the rate of influencers.

• 59:28Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think we should also maybe ban lines for stores and.

• 59:31Yasi Salek?

  I'm so glad you brought this up. I'm actively trying to fall in love with my hometown of Los Angeles. I mean, I'm from Torrance, but you go what I'm saying. And I've been like, having some good luck with it. You know, I've been researching these LA bands, the Germs, the Runaways, it's giving me this warm feeling of the old LA. I'm like, okay, they're still here, there's still pockets, I'm back. And then I'm trying to go to yoga, drive down Melrose on Saturday. A town of lines, it's just a three blocks of lines. And of course, they're always lining up for some dumbass shit, right?

• 1:00:02Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:00:03Yasi Salek?

  And it's fine. But the last one I saw broke me. And I was like, this line's really long, what is it for? Oh, and, oh, I see, a Sheen pop-up.

• 1:00:12Speaker 06

  Oh, God.

• 1:00:15Yasi Salek?

  I'm sorry, do they not just like mass produce that shit? Like, there is no shortage of Sheen product. Why do you have to line?

• 1:00:21Speaker 06

  Was it like a Nathan Fielder, like, fake pop-up?

• 1:00:23Yasi Salek?

  I hope so.

• 1:00:24Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:00:24Yasi Salek?

  And I hope when each of them rolled up, they got punched in the fucking face.

• 1:00:31Yasi Salek?

  I'm done.

• 1:00:32Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:00:32Yasi Salek?

  I wanna love it here, and you're making it really hard when you line up for Sheen pop-up.

• 1:00:36Speaker 06

  Yes. The fucked up ones I see are when, and this happens in New York too. People line up for like, pop-ups, restaurant, like food stores, that have the graphic design sensibility of Repo Man, where it just says like, bagels.

• 1:00:56Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:57Speaker 06

  And then there's like a line two avenues long of people, and I'm like, but there's another bagel place? There's three bagel places in the line that is waiting to get this like influencer Instagram pop-up? I don't understand that part.

• 1:01:10Yasi Salek?

  One of my most hated things, broadly speaking, is Hot Spot.

• 1:01:15Yasi Salek?

  Like a hotspot restaurant.

• 1:01:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:01:17Yasi Salek?

  Miss me with that shit. I don't care how good the food is.

• 1:01:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:01:19Yasi Salek?

  I'm not going. It's too hard. Leave me alone. I'm upset. You've upset me now and, and I need to get back on track.

• 1:01:28Speaker 06

  You gotta put your smooth brain music back on.

• 1:01:29Yasi Salek?

  You're right. Up town, up town. Um, okay, just a few honorable mentions. New Tiger's Jaw record, honestly, not even honorable mention, probably in the, in the main list. It's really fucking good.

• 1:01:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:01:39Yasi Salek?

  I'm late to them too. Like, I'm so late to things like third, fourth wave emo. I don't even know, fourth wave emo?

• 1:01:44Speaker 06

  I don't know.

• 1:01:45Yasi Salek?

  But we saw them play something in the way and just incredible stuff.

• 1:01:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:01:51Yasi Salek?

  Good two, two singers, have a woman and a man, really nice stuff.

• 1:01:56Yasi Salek?

  And then I got a, I got a shout out, my new discovery that everyone apparently already knew about, but I'm 43 and late, which was Big Ass Truck IE.

• 1:02:04Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:02:04Yasi Salek?

  You did not respond when I sent you Big Ass Truck IE's song, Pushed Beyond the Brink.

• 1:02:08Speaker 06

  Tell me all about it.

• 1:02:10Yasi Salek?

  I'll do you one better.

• 1:02:19Yasi Salek?

  Let's fucking go, bro.

• 1:02:22Yasi Salek?

  I just, you know.

• 1:02:23Speaker 06

  Now you're back up.

• 1:02:24Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I think.

• 1:02:25Speaker 06

  You forgot all about the lines for bagels.

• 1:02:27Yasi Salek?

  I want to be so respectful to Big Ass Truck IE, who I don't know anything about, but like, that's also kind of smooth brain, smooth brain hardcore, and I'm so there for it. Oh, I like the Rap Boyz album a lot, too. Singing to an empty chair. Have you listened to that?

• 1:02:38Speaker 06

  I have not.

• 1:02:39Yasi Salek?

  It's really good.

• 1:02:39Speaker 06

  I'll check it out.

• 1:02:40Yasi Salek?

  It's really good. We'll put a link to a playlist with all the, the music we mentioned in the show notes, so you guys can go revisit. Christopher Ryan, it's always a pleasure and a delight to podcast with you.

• 1:02:54Speaker 06

  The feeling is mutual, and thank you so much for the T-shirt. Thanks so much for having me on Bands Play so frequently.

• 1:03:00Yasi Salek?

  Thank you so much for making the time.

• 1:03:03Speaker 06

  What does the future hold for us? What's the, what's the next show on the horizon?

• 1:03:06Yasi Salek?

  That's kind of really up to you, I guess.

• 1:03:07Speaker 06

  Do I have to wait for the band, the bandness results? Do I, what's the, what do I?

• 1:03:12Yasi Salek?

  The results are in, babe.

• 1:03:13Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:03:14Yasi Salek?

  Do you want to do R E M?

• 1:03:15Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:03:16Yasi Salek?

  Would you like to do Sonic Youth?

• 1:03:18Speaker 06

  Maybe.

• 1:03:19Yasi Salek?

  Okay. Um, I feel like maybe the next-

• 1:03:21Speaker 06

  That seems like a lot of work.

• 1:03:22Yasi Salek?

  Welcome to hell, babe. Welcome to my life. I was like, whole, whole-

• 1:03:26Speaker 06

  My, my, my pleasure zone is Jimmy World. You know what I mean? Like, where it's like, let's be real, we're gonna do these four albums, but then like-

• 1:03:35Yasi Salek?

  Don't you feel like Sonic Youth was gonna lie about me?

• 1:03:36Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:03:37Yasi Salek?

  Okay.

• 1:03:37Speaker 06

  No, I'm, I'm in here-

• 1:03:39Yasi Salek?

  So maybe you actually-

• 1:03:39Speaker 06

  Fucking Jim O'Rourke-

• 1:03:40Yasi Salek?

  You might actually-

• 1:03:41Speaker 06

  Experimental EPs, just getting-

• 1:03:42Yasi Salek?

  You might have to do it, cuz you're like, a truther. Like, you actually believe it's all good.

• 1:03:46Speaker 06

  They, uh, their performance of "The Sprawl" from that "The Basement" YouTube show, or like, do you remember, you ever see that? It's like the single greatest rock and roll performance I've ever seen in my life.

• 1:03:57Yasi Salek?

  It's funny, cuz everyone thinks I don't like them, and that's not really true. It's just I've never, like, delved deep. Like, I really love "Washing Machine." I know that's random, but it was just, that was the album that was out when I was 12.

• 1:04:08Speaker 06

  Better than "The Grateful Dead."

• 1:04:09Yasi Salek?

  Well, fine, I can say that without even listening to one single more song.

• 1:04:13Speaker 06

  Uh.

• 1:04:13Yasi Salek?

  Um, yes, they are brave, they are better than "The Grateful Dead." And I obviously love stuff off "Sister" and "Evol" and like, whatever.

• 1:04:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, I would just think, isn't your entire personality based on the song schizophrenia?

• 1:04:26Yasi Salek?

  Grippy socks.

• 1:04:28Speaker 06

  What'd you say?

• 1:04:29Yasi Salek?

  Grippy socks. Um, but yeah, I just, I haven't, it's like something I haven't dove that deep into, so that's why. And just so you guys know, one of the best shows I've ever seen in my whole life was Sonic Youth, even without having the deep love and knowledge, because they headlined the Lollapalooza I went to, and it was incredible.

• 1:04:48Speaker 06

  Still a show that, uh, I feel like might have been a dream was Sonic Youth, "The Roots" and "Parliament," Funkadelic for "The Roots" Spring Fling.

• 1:04:56Yasi Salek?

  Stop it.

• 1:04:57Speaker 06

  Like, in 95 or 96.

• 1:04:59Yasi Salek?

  Stop it. Also "The Roots," man.

• 1:05:01Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:05:02Yasi Salek?

  Recently, for no reason, I don't know who put it on-

• 1:05:07Yasi Salek?

  "Maybe I won't remember." The one with Eric Baudrillard singing? And I was just like-

• 1:05:11Speaker 06

  You got me.

• 1:05:12Yasi Salek?

  Fucking god-tier song.

• 1:05:14Speaker 06

  Jay's playing the Roots picnic in the summer.

• 1:05:17Yasi Salek?

  Jay-Z. You're a good friend.

• 1:05:22Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I think maybe the next thing you'll come on is hopefully my new best friend, William Simmons, will join us and we'll do something.

• 1:05:31Speaker 06

  I'm not getting in the way of that. That's just gonna be you two, pure and unadulterated.

• 1:05:35Yasi Salek?

  Just me and Bill Simmons' best friend time?

• 1:05:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, but what are you gonna have him come on for?

• 1:05:41Yasi Salek?

  I was thinking like a draft of a prime 80 year. He's really, really knowledgeable about all music, honestly, it seems, but that specific.

• 1:05:51Speaker 06

  You should do college rock draft with him.

• 1:05:53Yasi Salek?

  But how do you define that?

• 1:05:55Speaker 06

  87 to 92?

• 1:05:57Yasi Salek?

  Please now, stick around for my interview with Justice Tripp of Angel Dust.

• 1:06:07Yasi Salek?

  You guys, what a fucking treat. What a pleasure to be joined by the Justice Tripp of the bands Angel Dust and Trapped Under Ice, most notably, but also several projects at any given time. This man stays booked and busy. He is not resting. He is not sleeping. He is girl bossing at all hours. Justice, welcome to the program.

• 1:06:26Speaker 07

  Thank you for having me.

• 1:06:27Yasi Salek?

  It's such an honor. I am such a huge fan. I know you're very busy. Like I said, you're always doing like 19 things at once. What you got on the burner right now? What you got on the back burner now that, while you're on tour for your new Angel Dust album?

• 1:06:42Speaker 07

  I feel like life's been coming at me so fast, I don't even have time to process the back burner so much. You know, it's like always kind of like what's immediate, you know?

• 1:06:53Yasi Salek?

  That's a good way to be. That's a real be here now vibe.

• 1:06:55Speaker 07

  Yeah, and we've like established more of a team with Angel Dust in the last couple of years that helped me to facilitate that. For better or worse, I feel like my brain is just like so focused on being creative and being a performer that, again, I said, I don't know what city I'm gonna be in tomorrow, most days. I don't know what city I'm in right now.

• 1:07:14Yasi Salek?

  We're in Los Angeles. Welcome. We're so happy to have you. I'm so into Cold to the Touch. It's such a good album. Just you guys, for the record, I'm obviously not a scholar of hardcore music, so give me a wide berth here, but I wanna ask some questions. So I really got into the last album as well, which

• 1:07:38Yasi Salek?

  Brand New Soul. Yeah, I always want to call it Love Slime because that's the song I like off of it. Brand New Soul. I like all the songs.

• 1:07:45Yasi Salek?

  So I've just been listening to the Ark of Angel Dust and in general, just sort of like monitoring the situation with hardcore, if you will, as is my job. And correct me if I'm like missing some like historical strain of this that I just haven't picked up on, but I feel like something I really respond to in Angel Dust. And I feel some other bands are doing this too, but like to me traditionally hardcore music, like very traditional hardcore music, isn't very libidinal, right? It's not

• 1:08:18Speaker 07

  Is it what?

• 1:08:19Yasi Salek?

  Libid- it's not like fuck, it's not about fucking. Not that your music is about fuck. There's not sexual. There's not like a group like, and I'm not talking about like it lyrically or like thematically, just like in the music, there's like a sexual element. You know what I mean? Like the difference between like, a good example is emo music. Emo music is not sexual.

• 1:08:38Speaker 07

  Yeah, I feel like I know where you're going with this and I'm, I like, I like where you're going with it.

• 1:08:41Yasi Salek?

  But I feel like I hear that a lot in Angels. I hear it in Turnstile, obviously, and there's other bands that are like in, in, in and around the genre that have sort of like incorporated this strain and you can, if I was smarter, I could type musically, but it's like, but it is, it's like a groove, right? It's like, it's like how I hear 311 and Red Hot Chili Peppers when I hear some Angel Dust songs and some Turnstile songs. I don't know if you take that as a compliment or not.

• 1:09:06Speaker 07

  For sure.

• 1:09:07Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, because that's shit I really fuck with, but it's obviously there's also traditional hardcore elements. Do you, is that something that you are aware of or that you set out to do in the music?

• 1:09:18Speaker 07

  Never thought of it like the sexual element of it. What's the word you used?

• 1:09:22Yasi Salek?

  Libidinal.

• 1:09:23Speaker 07

  Libidinal.

• 1:09:23Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:24Speaker 07

  I will never use that word again.

• 1:09:25Yasi Salek?

  It's like having to do with the libido.

• 1:09:26Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:09:27Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:28Speaker 07

  Maybe I'll watch, I'll watch this back and I'll be like, make a note, but that's a cool word.

• 1:09:31Yasi Salek?

  Sorry, sorry for a big word hour over here, a big nerd.

• 1:09:34Speaker 07

  I think like the thing that kind of separate, separated my camp from hardcore music. And Just to be fully transparent, like, I love and we embrace the hardcore title. You know, it's like so much of who every member of Angel Dust is, we all come from that.

• 1:09:51Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:52Speaker 07

  But I think like a thing that separated our team and the bands that we kind of came up with is like acknowledgement of pop music within what we're doing, you know? And I think for Angel Dust specifically, so much of that comes from Prince.

• 1:10:10Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:10Speaker 07

  And David Bowie and E-Pop. And I would never say that Angel Dust sounds like Prince, but like Brand New Soul.

• 1:10:19Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:20Speaker 07

  You know, since we just referenced that, the song Brand New Soul is a reference of a Prince song, I believe it's called Sister.

• 1:10:26Yasi Salek?

  Hmm, hmm, that's a good one.

• 1:10:28Speaker 07

  Fucking his sister.

• 1:10:29Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, sure. Well, okay, listen, we didn't say it was a good topic when you said it's a good song.

• 1:10:34Speaker 07

  I mean, our song's not about fucking a sister or anything, but just the energy of the music and

• 1:10:40Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:40Speaker 07

  the sexual sexuality, I guess. I never really thought of it like that, but yeah, but when you're doing pop music, there's a a sexual nature to it, I guess.

• 1:10:49Yasi Salek?

  I saw you guys play, I guess this is like a month or two ago, at something in the Wayfest. And you, the way you can dance to it, and you do dance to it. That's, that's something that, there's like an element into it that lends itself to that kind of expression.

• 1:11:05Speaker 07

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:11:07Yasi Salek?

  And this is like no shots at Terror, I love Terror, but it's like, I don't think you could dance like that to Terror. Yeah, definitely gonna dance, but it's a different type of dance. It's a different type of dance.

• 1:11:15Speaker 07

  Very violent way of dancing.

• 1:11:17Yasi Salek?

  Maybe more staccato, like, I read you mention Prince in a couple of interviews, like, that's like your number one guy.

• 1:11:25Speaker 07

  I always say he's my number one. He's like, uh, just hugely important in, I think, all of culture and where we are

• 1:11:32Yasi Salek?

  Sure.

• 1:11:32Speaker 07

  in modern time. Iggy's my number one guy.

• 1:11:34Yasi Salek?

  Okay, interesting.

• 1:11:36Speaker 07

  Special interest, I guess.

• 1:11:38Yasi Salek?

  How do you feel about The Doors?

• 1:11:40Speaker 07

  Oh, I love The Doors.

• 1:11:40Yasi Salek?

  Okay, sure. That's the correct answer.

• 1:11:42Speaker 07

  L.A. Woman is my favorite.

• 1:11:44Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, that's the correct, because I feel like there's, there's people that will be like, oh, I love Iggy Pop. And then you'll be like, oh, you like The Doors? And they'll be like, oh, that shit's trash. And you're like, then you don't like it.

• 1:11:52Speaker 07

  Yeah, so much cool things that came out of punk rock music, I think, are directly influenced by it.

• 1:11:57Yasi Salek?

  This is my greatest theory is that the first punk band was The Doors.

• 1:12:00Speaker 07

  Wow, I, I've never heard that.

• 1:12:01Yasi Salek?

  Spiritually, because, because like, they were so inspirational. First of all, Jim Morrison was like so punk in his like stature and like the way he like approached the world. But also, they directly influenced Iggy to start The Stooges. Like, he saw The Doors and was like, I want to make The Stooges. So it's like, you, you gotta give them that credit, you know?

• 1:12:18Speaker 07

  Absolutely. Do you think, um, Danzig, this might be like, I, I don't know the frame of reference, but I always assumed that was a Doors thing, you know?

• 1:12:27Yasi Salek?

  I think Danzig was Elvis, yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:29Speaker 07

  But Jim Morrison?

• 1:12:30Yasi Salek?

  I know what, I know what you're saying, though, like, because of the like, kind of crooner vibe element. I don't know, that's a good question. We did the Misfits episode a long time ago, so I haven't retained all of the information. But I don't recall coming across much Doors stuff, but I know what you're saying and I can hear it.

• 1:12:49Speaker 07

  Yeah. There's some moments that I, that I speculated, you know?

• 1:12:52Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, yeah. Tell me about the guest vocalists on the album. Like, were you just kind of like, these songs would benefit from an additional voice? Did you just want to include more people that you like, respect and love? What was kind of the impetus behind having guest vocalists?

• 1:13:10Speaker 07

  Such a fan of music.

• 1:13:11Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:12Speaker 07

  And everybody who appears on the record is somebody that I'm a big fan of. And, you know, when you make music, you're always kind of doing an impression of somebody on some level, you know?

• 1:13:24Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 1:13:24Speaker 07

  And it's like, you need, you need to have the self-awareness to say, okay, this is where this is coming from, and this is where I'm gonna take it. So you're not recreating the same thing, you know? I think that's something everybody could benefit from more in making art, is like more self-awareness.

• 1:13:38Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 1:13:39Speaker 07

  But I'm referencing a lot of my friends.

• 1:13:41Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:42Speaker 07

  And like, for example, like Scott Vogel, and like doing Pain is a Must, and like what that song's about, and like, I just like hear, I was like hearing his voice the whole time I was, you know what I mean? I'm like, oh, I gotta deliver this message, and I can only hear it in Scott's voice. So it's like, I kind of need you to do this thing. It'd be really cool if you could. And he lent himself to it, and, um, Taylor Young is like the coolest.

• 1:14:08Speaker 07

  Evil, I think he's like, uh, to me, he's like the embodiment of like where hardcore meets metal.

• 1:14:14Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:14Speaker 07

  Authentic way to both genres, but like, uh, that's like the most metallic Angel Dust song, I would say, the beat with Taylor and like,

• 1:14:25Speaker 07

  just for, for, for me and my favorite reference, when I'm, I'm doing something metallic on the hardcore song, it's like,

• 1:14:32Speaker 07

  there's Taylor, I can hear him in the song, you know?

• 1:14:34Yasi Salek?

  And that's really cool that you are willing and open about like giving credit to like those kinds of inspirations, cause what you just said is one of my favorite Jim Jarmusch quotes, you kind of paraphrased it, maybe intentionally or by accident, but it's like, he said, it's not what, where you take it from, it's where you take it to.

• 1:14:56Speaker 07

  Oh, wow.

• 1:14:56Yasi Salek?

  Because there, it's basically what you just said, almost verbatim, it's just, there's no making art in a vacuum, right? Like everyone is kind of like, like we just talked about Iggy and the Doors, like Iggy was taking Jim Morrison and, but you'll kind of will never, you can never copy someone, it's impossible, cause it's coming through the prism of you and you're a different person. And I think it's a lot of people bristle, like, I can't help it, I always describe music using other music, that's, that's my only language for it usually.

• 1:15:26Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:15:26Yasi Salek?

  And I feel sometimes people get a little like

• 1:15:28Speaker 07

  Sensitive about that.

• 1:15:29Yasi Salek?

  Sensitive about it, but it's like, it's a great compliment, I think, and it's not like, oh, you ripped them, it's more.

• 1:15:34Speaker 07

  Yeah. I mean, some people compare us to things all the time that are like not what I had in mind.

• 1:15:40Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:40Speaker 07

  But it's like, I think genuinely, most music that people get to hear has value. Just if you don't get that value, it doesn't make it bad, it just means you missed it.

• 1:15:50Yasi Salek?

  Hundred percent agree.

• 1:15:51Speaker 07

  It doesn't, it's like, I think to be the guy that's like, my taste is built on what I don't like. You're just saying that I, I keep missing it, I keep not getting it. I'm calling myself a musician, but all I do is lose.

• 1:16:04Yasi Salek?

  Hmm.

• 1:16:04Speaker 07

  You're a loser. That's like, if you just don't like anything and you say that you're, you're uninspired, you're gonna make trash music.

• 1:16:13Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, you have to love, you have to have a love and a passion for things outside of yourself in order to like have the inputs to make an output.

• 1:16:21Speaker 07

  Yeah, I have so much that I can say, and there's so much that needs to be said that I don't have to offer and like there needs to be, I, I've referenced Sublime all the time, where it's like a band that's like so far from what I do, but they're good at what they do and like, it's a polarizing band, there's people who like, I really want to make sure that you know that they don't like or they do like Sublime.

• 1:16:41Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:42Speaker 07

  It's like, yeah, they have a lot of value and like, I couldn't, I couldn't do that, but I'd love to. I love what it gives to people and it's awesome to listen to. It's funny, I talk about Sublime so much just because of this.

• 1:16:55Yasi Salek?

  This exact topic, yeah.

• 1:16:56Speaker 07

  But it's significant, it's cool.

• 1:16:58Yasi Salek?

  Sublime truther, so, I mean, you got produced by fucking Paul Leary from The Butthole Surfers. You guys put some respect, like, you think Sublime's not cool, you have not done your homework. It's okay if you don't like it, but like, don't, don't misunderstand.

• 1:17:12Speaker 07

  I think it's not okay to not like it. I think you're, you're wrong.

• 1:17:15Yasi Salek?

  I think you're, I think people are absolutely allowed to not like things. My fucking beef is when people presume to have the correct opinion.

• 1:17:24Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:17:24Yasi Salek?

  There is no fucking correct opinion, you know?

• 1:17:26Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:17:27Yasi Salek?

  It's, I think the only time that I'm like, this rubs me the wrong way is when you can tell that it's inauthentic.

• 1:17:35Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:17:35Yasi Salek?

  You know?

• 1:17:36Speaker 07

  Absolutely.

• 1:17:36Yasi Salek?

  Like when you're trying to grift me because you just wanted to like, get in on a trend or like whatever. Okay, then I'm probably not, we're gonna be like, yeah, this sucks, you know? But if someone, that's what we always talk about on our bands, where I'm like, I love doing every episode because every artist pretty much is so interesting because they set out to like, do, make something and they, you know, like, it's all like, it's fascinating.

• 1:18:02Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:18:02Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:03Speaker 07

  I agree. I agree with the authenticity thing. I talk a lot about that as somebody who represents hardcore to a lot of people and it's like what defines hardcore. I think it's the same thing that defines, um, rock and roll, punk rock, metal. It's like this chain, but it's all, the moments that we really care about and are substantial and keep the thing moving are, begin with authenticity.

• 1:18:25Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:26Speaker 07

  And it's like, if you do it authentically and you add something to it, you're giving longevity to, um, the genre.

• 1:18:32Yasi Salek?

  Totally. You're the mayor of hardcore.

• 1:18:35Speaker 07

  To some people, yeah, like I don't, you know, I don't know if I'm the best representative, but I do love it. I would say I probably love it more than most people do.

• 1:18:43Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:44Speaker 07

  And part of loving it is, uh, to me, is contributing to it.

• 1:18:50Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:18:50Speaker 07

  And not just reliving it. And to some people, like hardcore purists, some people have a mentality of like, this is a tradition and this is how it has to be explored. And I don't believe in that. I don't, I think that's the opposite of the values of hardcore music. And I'm just, I know I'm correct about that. All the bands that last and mean something, they all bring something new to it.

• 1:19:11Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:19:11Speaker 07

  And do it authentically.

• 1:19:14Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I mean, genre is not a prison, right? It's like, it's a mutating organism if it's done right. And it should continue to like grow and change. But I guess you must come up against that a lot, right? People being like, this is not hardcore.

• 1:19:29Speaker 07

  Sometimes, like, times are changing, you know what I mean? It's like, there was, the generation before me was very strict, very rigid about what hardcore is. And like now, it's like, um, on this tour, we're playing with, to a lot of really young people.

• 1:19:45Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:45Speaker 07

  Who are really open to be like, we love this thing. What is hardcore? Show us.

• 1:19:49Yasi Salek?

  And yeah.

• 1:19:50Speaker 07

  My job and, you know, the job of artists everywhere to, um, fill them in, I guess.

• 1:19:57Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I think that is one cool thing, although by and large, I do like to be an old man shaking my fists at the sky about, uh, the present and as it relates to the past. But one good thing that I do like is that like, in, even when I was growing up, it was like, you couldn't really be more than one thing. Like, you just weren't allowed. Like, it's like, oh, you like rap music? You like rap music then. Oh, okay, you like, you're a raver? Then you can't listen to rock music. It was like, really like segmented like that. And they would call you a poser if you stepped out of line or whatever. And now it's really cool because I, I think you're right, these, this younger generation doesn't have that mentality. All they take from everything and they can enjoy everything, which is really cool.

• 1:20:39Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, there was something fun about that.

• 1:20:42Yasi Salek?

  Sure.

• 1:20:43Speaker 07

  Being a kid and being like. The term was when I was in middle school, you were you were headbanger.

• 1:20:50Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:20:51Speaker 07

  I think some some areas called it a grit.

• 1:20:53Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:54Speaker 07

  Which funny.

• 1:20:55Yasi Salek?

  Grit?

• 1:20:56Speaker 07

  A grit. Yeah, I think that was like the the rocker terminology in maybe like, you know, the year 2000.

• 1:21:03Yasi Salek?

  Oh, my God, you were in middle school in the year 2000.

• 1:21:05Speaker 07

  Oh, I don't know if I was in middle school, I guess I'd have been not been in high school then. But it's like, it's not it's not that time anymore. It's not Dungeons and Dragons. You don't pick the character.

• 1:21:15Yasi Salek?

  No.

• 1:21:15Speaker 07

  It's like we all are human and feel a lot of different things and relate to a lot of things.

• 1:21:19Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:21Speaker 07

  I think you should incorporate all of your story and what you're making with art or what you're experiencing.

• 1:21:28Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, this leads me to actually my next question kind of perfectly. So I did I did phone a friend a couple of times to get some like help on this interview. Um, we'll start with Ian Shelton of Military Gun, my son. Um, love him.

• 1:21:41Speaker 07

  He's the best.

• 1:21:42Yasi Salek?

  What a little angel.

• 1:21:43Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:21:44Yasi Salek?

  He said, I think it's interesting to talk to Justice about how he's been around consistently for a long time and seen a lot of phases while always doing his own thing. He always consigns with a wave. Sometimes he's going opposite, but he's always releasing something and being really supportive of younger artists. So the sorry, that's not a question, but this is this was his backstory. And I was like, oh, that's such a fucking cool thing to be known for. I guess the my question is, how do you because you are seem like such a sponge and you are inspired by so much of what goes on around you. How are you able to still when there's like certain waves going one way and that's not your wave, make something different?

• 1:22:26Speaker 07

  I have a drive in me. I don't not like just to to find something, you know, and I think I get that from hardcore. It's like I always reference Bad Brains as being the first hardcore band.

• 1:22:37Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 1:22:38Speaker 07

  You know, different people have different opinions about that.

• 1:22:39Yasi Salek?

  Bad Brains, libidinal music. So in in in patient zero, it's there, right? But then it kind of goes away a little bit.

• 1:22:46Speaker 07

  Absolutely.

• 1:22:46Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:47Speaker 07

  Yeah, I think like their story is so based in exploration and that's like always been my thing is like trying to find what's new and like I've done some things that have influenced people and I've seen. Younger people take something that I was doing and make it theirs to so much to the point where I'm like, is this mine?

• 1:23:07Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:23:08Speaker 07

  And I used to kind of struggle with that where it's like the second somebody was doing something that felt relative to what I was doing, I was like, I gotta get away from this. And only, I think Cold to the Touch is like the first time maybe ever in my life where I was like, I did all these things and they're all authentic and they feel real and I can do these things in one place. And it's, you know, I don't have to run from the things that make me who I am as an artist or things that define my friends as artists. Um, so maybe a little more organic of a process than like a, I don't know, like a, a goal to like rewrite or to reinvent the wheel. You know, again, you can't, everything's a reference to something.

• 1:23:51Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:23:51Speaker 07

  Nobody's reinventing the wheel, but.

• 1:23:53Yasi Salek?

  No, but I, it's, I'm so glad you said this because this was like totally something I was thinking about and theorizing while listening to Cold to the Touch and I was like, I feel like, oh, I think all your albums are successful, but I feel like this one's just like a kick up for that exact reason because listening back to the discography, I'm like, oh, I can hear in all these ones, like I can hear you trying new things, right? I mean, like, oh, I want to try this now or I want to try that now or this is going to sound like a replacement song. I don't know if you were thinking about that, but.

• 1:24:20Speaker 07

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:24:20Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. But, and then it feels like this album is like you brought all your toys home.

• 1:24:25Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:24:26Yasi Salek?

  And put it in one box and you're like, okay, the like kind of more traditional hardcore element is there, but all the other toys are there too.

• 1:24:33Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:24:33Yasi Salek?

  And it just like makes it so texturally rich and interesting and also probably that authenticity, just like, it makes it so good. Sorry, I'm just like, I'm just here to gas.

• 1:24:42Speaker 07

  I appreciate that. That's, it's, it's good to hear that. It's like, um, I'll say with Brand New Soul, that was kind of the first time I had that goal in mind.

• 1:24:48Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:48Speaker 07

  I want to bring all these things together, but, um, our team wasn't entirely established in the capacity that it is now. And it's like, uh, my story has so much to do with exactly the line of people.

• 1:25:00Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:01Speaker 07

  I'm playing with in Angel Dust. That's where it's like Jim played in a lot of like the influential bands, just a couple of years. He, you know, me and Jim both got into playing and touring really young.

• 1:25:12Yasi Salek?

  Jim Carroll. One of the only men on earth who can wear pigtails and, and look hot. He was just like, no other man can pull that off.

• 1:25:18Speaker 07

  He's, he's great, but a great musician too, not just.

• 1:25:22Yasi Salek?

  Not just hot.

• 1:25:23Speaker 07

  Handsome Jim, as he's known in Massachusetts.

• 1:25:26Yasi Salek?

  Makes a lot of sense.

• 1:25:27Speaker 07

  It's funny, he's got a different nickname in, in every city. And when you talk to people, or every state, maybe, he's got regional nicknames.

• 1:25:34Yasi Salek?

  Like a criminal.

• 1:25:35Speaker 07

  And if I'm talking to Slim Massachusetts, they'll be like, Jim Ho, like Jim Carroll. They're like, handsome Jim. I'm not gonna do that.

• 1:25:45Speaker 07

  But, no, he's, he's great. But I've been referencing music that he's made since I was a kid. And that's an important part of

• 1:25:51Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:52Speaker 07

  everything I've done musically. And Zek and Steve have been a part of our team for a long time. They've been like touring with Angel Dust in different capacities.

• 1:26:00Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:00Speaker 07

  And they come from, a lot of what I come from musically. Steve's bands have been influential to me. Nick I met when he was a kid and he like came up, he's the youngest, he's the baby in the band.

• 1:26:09Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:10Speaker 07

  But he like came up in this world that I've been a part of. And it's like, it's very intentional.

• 1:26:17Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:17Speaker 07

  I, I don't feel like anything on his album was my mistake.

• 1:26:22Yasi Salek?

  It's, um, it's exhilarating. It's a really, especially the live show, you guys, you gotta check it out. It's, it's like, it's really exciting, you know? And I, I know that, I think not every band or musician's intention or thing is to exhilarate or excite. That's like, you know, of course, like you don't go to like a Cat Power show to be like exhilarated. Like you, it's something else incredible, right? And you, you feel very many things. But what you guys do is like electric. And I, this is not even a question. This is just me telling you guys, you need to go see Angel Dust live. And this line of musicians is like so tight. I mean, again, I haven't, I didn't see the last iteration. So I don't know. I can only speak to this one, but.

• 1:27:07Speaker 07

  I appreciate it. It's awesome. And that, that's, I think, a very definitive quality of hardcore music. It's

• 1:27:13Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:13Speaker 07

  made to be digested live and to be interacted with.

• 1:27:17Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:18Speaker 07

  And again, not to just, I'm trying to like pat myself on the back or pat, you know, it's like pat the team. It's like, but I think we made a record that we're like playing almost the whole record every night. And it works.

• 1:27:31Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:31Speaker 07

  People are giving you the feedback that you so desire. And it's like, I don't know. That's what got me into music at all. It's like seeing mosh pits on TV, on MTV when I was a little kid.

• 1:27:43Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:43Speaker 07

  And then experiencing your first mosh pits when I was, for me, I was like 11, 12 years old and being like, oh, I just want to do this for the rest of my life.

• 1:27:52Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:53Speaker 07

  And. That's it. That's all I've done.

• 1:27:56Yasi Salek?

  I think about that a lot with like, why there's been a new draw towards hardcore in the last like, what would you say, like five-ish, seven years? I don't know.

• 1:28:08Speaker 07

  I feel like I felt it creeping up pre-COVID and then COVID gave it a kick in the ass and Turnstile gave it a kick in the ass.

• 1:28:13Yasi Salek?

  Turnstile gave it a kick in the ass. I felt that same way when I saw Turnstile and I hadn't felt that for a long time. I mean, obviously I stopped going to as many shows as I was before, but I wonder if it's about the aspect of physicality and community, right? Like you're touching other people, like literally physically touching other people if you're doing it right, you know? And like while genre wise, I think hardcore has obviously expanded all its like boundaries musically. One through line that hasn't left it is it's so pro-community, right? It's so much about being in community with other people and like that's, these are two things we've severely lost in the internet age.

• 1:28:56Yasi Salek?

  Is physical presence with others and community.

• 1:29:00Speaker 07

  Yeah. I love, I love the idea of, um, we plan a tour.

• 1:29:05Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:05Speaker 07

  We announce it. The main place where you're gonna find out about that is on Instagram.

• 1:29:09Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:09Speaker 07

  And it's like, I'm on Instagram. Everybody's doing it and we're scrolling and you see the thing and you're like, oh, I'll buy the ticket. I don't, when I was a kid, we'd go wait outside of wherever tickets were for sale and.

• 1:29:20Yasi Salek?

  Virgin megastore, Tower Records, you'd stand in line.

• 1:29:24Speaker 07

  Camping out overnight sometimes.

• 1:29:26Yasi Salek?

  Hundred percent. I camped out for Bush tickets. You guys weren't there.

• 1:29:29Speaker 07

  Scary. Like, you know, you're in the middle of the city. It's like throughout the night, there's questionable things happening and you get a ticket for the show and it's like you can cut that out of the equation and there's, there's all these ways now you can bypass the physical realm.

• 1:29:41Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:42Speaker 07

  But then for the people who need that, um, which I think we all need that.

• 1:29:47Yasi Salek?

  We all need it. Yeah.

• 1:29:49Speaker 07

  What a better way than. Just squish into a little, you know, whatever the, depending on the show you're going to.

• 1:29:55Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:55Speaker 07

  You might be in a, in a bar. You might be.

• 1:29:58Yasi Salek?

  In a warehouse.

• 1:29:59Speaker 07

  Warehouse and with, we're hardcore as now, you might be in a stadium.

• 1:30:02Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:03Speaker 07

  You know, but you're packed and tight. It's gonna be a lot of shirtless sweaty beef all over your body smelling people.

• 1:30:10Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:11Speaker 07

  Like I missed smelling human bodies when I was in Highland Park locked in.

• 1:30:17Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:18Speaker 07

  Covid years, you know, and uh, just longing to smell terrible men in the mosh pit. And you can get that and you can get the microphone, you can sing along.

• 1:30:28Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:28Speaker 07

  You can give me your cold. I will, I will, I will carry your cold for an entire tour.

• 1:30:34Yasi Salek?

  That's beautiful. I'll take your germs. I'll take your germs. Super spread.

• 1:30:38Speaker 07

  I don't know. It's like, we're here to live and we do need the phone for a lot of stuff. We need the internet for a lot of stuff, but um, I need the reminder sometimes, you know, it's like I've gotten pretty beat up on this tour. I like dislocated a finger and had my front teeth, not on this tour, thank God, but I've had my front teeth kicked out seven times.

• 1:30:55Yasi Salek?

  Is that why those are gold?

• 1:30:56Speaker 07

  Yeah. Got a couple other fake ones in the back.

• 1:30:57Yasi Salek?

  Looks really good though.

• 1:30:59Speaker 07

  Thank you, thank you. Um, but like the physical, it's like, yeah, it's like, I don't know. I, I, you know, being a little kid's hard, being a human on earth, especially right now is hard and I can just look at my phone all day and be terrified of, you know.

• 1:31:16Yasi Salek?

  War.

• 1:31:17Speaker 07

  War. Um, just, yeah, it's dark. I could, I could go on pretty deep.

• 1:31:23Yasi Salek?

  Billionaires, the Illuminati.

• 1:31:25Speaker 07

  I like to not like, you know, I don't like to, again, we can all see this stuff on our phone. We know what's going on in the world. I try to, as an artist, I don't want my imprint to be, hey, here's how awful the world is.

• 1:31:36Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 1:31:36Speaker 07

  I, I do sing about it.

• 1:31:37Yasi Salek?

  As experienced through the phone primarily, yeah.

• 1:31:40Speaker 07

  But here's the alternative is get into this room of people who are afraid and maybe don't feel empowered and jump off the stage and catch each other and make a new friend and fuck it, get your front teeth kicked out of your head. You know what I mean? It's like, it's better than the alternative, you know? I'm glad, I'm glad that's happened to me. I don't want to get my teeth kicked out tomorrow.

• 1:32:02Yasi Salek?

  Right. Seven times, I think is probably enough.

• 1:32:03Speaker 07

  Yeah, I'm, I'm at the, I'm approaching what we call mosh retirement, you know? My body's pretty battered.

• 1:32:09Yasi Salek?

  I retired. I skinned my knees in the Last Than Jake pit when I was 12, you guys, though, so don't think that wasn't a real one, okay? I was in there.

• 1:32:18Speaker 07

  I've been in it less than Jake Pitt too.

• 1:32:19Yasi Salek?

  Hell yeah. That's good. I was just, I could not stop thinking about, not that we respect Kid Rock on this, this program, but to get in the pit and try to love one another is really an iconic line.

• 1:32:30Speaker 07

  Yeah, he's.

• 1:32:31Yasi Salek?

  He went off this deep end a little bit in a way that I can't condone, but.

• 1:32:35Speaker 07

  Even the broken clock is wrong twice.

• 1:32:36Yasi Salek?

  Exactly, twice a day, babe. Exactly. Yeah, I, I really like that. I feel my, one of my more enduring theories these days is that a lot of problems we have psychologically are because we don't have enough friction in our lives anymore. Like, it's too easy. Like, you can just DoorDash food to your door, that they leave it, you don't even see them, you don't even talk to anybody. Amazon will bring you anything. You don't have to, you work from home, whatever. Like, you literally don't have to be uncomfortable for one second of your life if you don't want, I mean, not everybody, obviously it's a privileged position, but I feel like it's, it's more and more easy and like going to a show is hard. You know, it's, it's not hard, but it's like, it's an effort. You have to

• 1:33:18Yasi Salek?

  go to a place, you have to be sweaty, you have to be uncomfortable, you have to be looked at by people. You have to look at other people, you might have to have a conversation. It's very, very terrifying, but it's good.

• 1:33:28Speaker 07

  Yeah, the venue tomorrow, I've gotten so much, so many people that love to remind me, you know, it's like, I know what LA is, you know? But a lot of people, they remind me like, oh, it's like a questionable neighborhood or whatever. It's like.

• 1:33:40Yasi Salek?

  You're like, I played in plenty, I'm from Baltimore.

• 1:33:43Speaker 07

  No, it's like, more like, I don't know, it's like, we could all use a little bit of danger, you know what I mean? Just pull up with your friends.

• 1:33:48Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:49Speaker 07

  Community, this thing's all about community. Go make some friends and make sure nobody fucks with you on their way to the show.

• 1:33:54Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, we could all use a little bit of danger. I posted a story of me eating a kiwi with the skin on it, which is how I eat in a kiwi, and I'm sorry, you should also become ungovernable. But I got all these messages from men being like, ew, oh, the mouth feel. And I was like, men used to go to war. Oh, you're, oh, the mouth feel of a kiwi? You gotta get outside. You gotta go touch grass. Okay, you brought up Turnstile. I have a question regarding, obviously they've had incredible success, Grammy winners, Turnstile. Do you aspire to a similar career arc?

• 1:34:29Speaker 07

  No, I mean, I guess.

• 1:34:33Speaker 07

  I'm not mad at success in my life, you know what I mean? With them, I'm super proud of them.

• 1:34:37Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:38Speaker 07

  It's something, did I believe that a Grammy was in the cards? Never.

• 1:34:43Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:43Speaker 07

  But.

• 1:34:44Yasi Salek?

  Well, how cool, though.

• 1:34:45Speaker 07

  It's like they, they're like, um, some of my best friends in the world and they've like, done such a good job of just flipping my sense of reality and, and what's possible and like, um, giving, literally giving me what hardcore gives people, you know what I mean? That's, they're, they're effective at that. So I've never had that, that goal. And, um, there was like moments of when I was touring with them, um, like filled in on guitar for them a little bit at one point. And just being with them and moments of me being like, man, I don't want this. Like they, they really have to give so much of themselves.

• 1:35:17Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:18Speaker 07

  And it's, it's easy to see success. I don't know if people always see how much of themselves they've given.

• 1:35:22Yasi Salek?

  Totally.

• 1:35:23Speaker 07

  To, to get there. I've like heard young bands say like, oh, I wanted like turnstile where it's, where it's like, we just do something, we blow up right away. And it's like, I just don't know a band that sacrificed more.

• 1:35:35Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. Also, first of all, that's not what happens.

• 1:35:38Speaker 07

  I mean, I think just like as a fan, like, like you would see it, but then being closer to the picture. Like I just, I don't know anybody who's given that much.

• 1:35:49Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:35:49Speaker 07

  And so like because of that, there was like a, a point where I was like seeing them sacrificing a lot of themselves. And I was like, I don't have that.

• 1:35:56Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:57Speaker 07

  To give, you know? And so it was never, I was never aspiring to what they were aspiring to. Um, but true to the nature of hardcore music, they put in front of you what's possible. And it's like, you know, my aspiration is not a Grammy. It's never been that. Um, but I'm like, I can do anything with this.

• 1:36:16Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:16Speaker 07

  It's like the little kids that I, I met when they were all babies and, um, at one point I would've said, that's my little brothers. And now it's like, well, it's my younger big brothers, I guess. You know what I mean? Like they set the tone for what's possible. And I don't know, I'm like open to whatever that means for Angel Dust.

• 1:36:32Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. What is, well, what is your version? What would your version of great success look like?

• 1:36:37Speaker 07

  I, I kind of touched on it. Pain is a must, the song with Scott Vogel. It's like, it's success is always, it's always been about sacrifice.

• 1:36:43Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:36:43Speaker 07

  It, it might sound stupid, but it's like just giving myself entirely. That's what, that's the goal. That's it. I want to be used up. I want to like.

• 1:36:53Speaker 07

  I want to be on my seventh set of gold front teeth.

• 1:36:55Yasi Salek?

  Right. Used up by the, by the art.

• 1:36:58Speaker 07

  Yeah, I want to, I want to die on stage. That's it. And there's been moments where I thought it was gonna happen, you know, it's like, I'm beat up. I'm like really physically more beat up than, than maybe a lot of people don't know, but.

• 1:37:09Yasi Salek?

  Are you getting on some peptides?

• 1:37:11Speaker 07

  Yeah, peptides would be great. Just honestly, a lot of growth hormone is probably in my future. I sing a lot about this stuff and it's just, it's, it might sound silly in, in the moment, but it's just, it's all that I've ever loved and, um, you know what, my bills are paid.

• 1:37:25Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:25Speaker 07

  I don't need a bigger house.

• 1:37:26Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:27Speaker 07

  I got some little dogs and little family type situation going on. It's like, everybody's safe. So it's like, my, my goal has just been like, connection.

• 1:37:36Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:37Speaker 07

  I guess that it's important to include that. Um, it's like, we, we get into music because we feel misunderstood and you want to reach out and have people understand you. And every night of this tour, I like talk to people who've expressed something to me that I don't even know they realize they're expressing my life.

• 1:37:53Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:53Speaker 07

  To me exactly. And it's like, it's very emotional sometimes. You just gotta be like cool about it, you know?

• 1:37:58Yasi Salek?

  You're touching them, like you're giving them such a gift as well because they're also, that's, I mean, that's the greatest gift I feel like art can give you is like, you feel less alone because you feel seen within the art.

• 1:38:10Speaker 07

  Yeah. I want to be heard and I want people who are listening to be heard and, um, if I can connect with people and if I can keep doing this and, now don't, don't get me wrong. Somebody's like, hey, do you want the Taco Bell commercial? Do you want?

• 1:38:26Yasi Salek?

  Right, right.

• 1:38:26Speaker 07

  Lots of money? Do you want the huge sold out show? It's like, oh, it's just connecting with more people. Sure enough, it's like, yeah, of course. That's, that's great. But I'm not like killing myself for the purpose of, uh, I guess for, for the purpose of success in the traditional sense.

• 1:38:44Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:38:45Speaker 07

  It's more about just like, you know. We're doing what we set out to do and it's I feel whole and happy.

• 1:38:53Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, if Taco Bell commercial is offered along the way, you'll take it gorgeous side quest. Also, me too. Taco Bell, if you're listening, I'm a huge fan. Happy to do whatever you need me to do.

• 1:39:03Speaker 07

  Well, too, we'll take any free Taco Bell, brain dead. I got a new jacket from brain dead.

• 1:39:07Yasi Salek?

  We love brain dead. Madison, if you guys are listening, big fans over here. Still miss my sweater. We don't have to talk about it. Okay, you name check a man on this album a lot. His name is Jesus Christ. And my question is, do you have a spiritual practice?

• 1:39:28Speaker 07

  I mean, not a practice. My spiritual practice is eating mushrooms and going crazy a little bit.

• 1:39:37Yasi Salek?

  That's a spiritual practice.

• 1:39:38Speaker 07

  It is. It is. It's like a therapeutic.

• 1:39:40Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:40Speaker 07

  I definitely, I don't, I'm not, I don't do it in a party context.

• 1:39:44Yasi Salek?

  I think psychedelics have a lot of spiritual properties that allow you to connect with something greater than yourself, you know?

• 1:39:50Speaker 07

  My family was very Catholic, Polish Catholic type people, and I grew up with a lot of that stuff in it, you know? I don't think the average Christian would identify me as a Christian.

• 1:40:04Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:40:05Speaker 07

  I don't think, I think we have different ideas of what that, but I like Jesus. I like.

• 1:40:10Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, he was a cool guy.

• 1:40:11Speaker 07

  Yeah, like the cool guy who like.

• 1:40:13Yasi Salek?

  I'm really down with what he was all about.

• 1:40:15Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, I could get into like a really annoying, non-musical conversation about, I had like a period where I was like, I need to read holy books.

• 1:40:23Yasi Salek?

  Oh, yeah, babe. This is, this is like, now you're like, now I'm in music? I don't care. Let's talk about this.

• 1:40:29Speaker 07

  You say that and like, you'll be, you'll be over it so fast.

• 1:40:32Yasi Salek?

  No, no, babe. I'll be the last one standing. One time, okay, this is a great story, actually. I'm just gonna tell it for you guys. One time during COVID, I got a call, like a, it was like a, almost like a sales call, but from a church, like trying to kind of like recruit. Tell me why this woman had to get off the phone with me. How she had to be like, okay, well, I have to go. That's how much I was talking to her. Okay, so I can, if I can out talk the Christian recruiter from the church, trust me, I can out talk you on this.

• 1:40:57Speaker 07

  It's impressive. Uh, I don't know if I could do that exactly, but my friends are for sure are over it, you know?

• 1:41:04Yasi Salek?

  You were into holy books, so you were reading like the Bible and stuff?

• 1:41:07Speaker 07

  Yeah, but, um, full transparency, I don't know what the hell I'm reading half the time, you know what I mean?

• 1:41:12Yasi Salek?

  That's okay.

• 1:41:13Speaker 07

  But, uh, I think, you know, obviously the Bible, it's like there's people who like spend their whole lives studying the Bible.

• 1:41:19Yasi Salek?

  Scholars.

• 1:41:19Speaker 07

  But, you know, it's like, there's a lot of good information in there, there's contradictions in there.

• 1:41:22Yasi Salek?

  Sure.

• 1:41:23Speaker 07

  But there's good information and you should read that.

• 1:41:26Yasi Salek?

  I agree.

• 1:41:27Speaker 07

  Bhagavad Gita, it's like, there's like, good information, you know? But, yeah, not religious on a, I don't think there's any Christian who would identify me as a Christian, if that makes sense.

• 1:41:38Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I know what you're saying. I think, I think that the like distinction is between like organized religion and being religious, which I, I kind of identify as two different things because organized religion is really dogmatic and sort of about rules, right?

• 1:41:54Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:41:54Yasi Salek?

  As much as it is about revering and celebrating their god or whatever. Um, whereas I think like, some people, I think myself included, I'm like, oh, sorry, like what I think doesn't fit into those rules, but doesn't mean I'm not religion, doesn't mean I don't believe, you know?

• 1:42:09Speaker 07

  I believe in hell.

• 1:42:11Yasi Salek?

  Sure.

• 1:42:11Speaker 07

  You know, and I, and I don't know if it's necessarily something you have to wait for, you know? It's like, I think some people choose hell every day.

• 1:42:18Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:18Speaker 07

  You know?

• 1:42:19Yasi Salek?

  You can live hell on earth?

• 1:42:20Speaker 07

  Yeah, definitely know, know people who do.

• 1:42:24Yasi Salek?

  Name, I'm just kidding, call them out. Um, yeah, I just, I just clocked it because I have a, I don't know, I just have a sensitivity to it because I, so many people will not say god or Jesus ever in art or music anymore because we're a really secular society and also I think maybe they're afraid of him being misinterpreted or whatever. And so like, you know, it's in, it's, you have it in song titles, let alone like mentioned, so it just piqued my interest.

• 1:42:57Speaker 07

  You know, it's like, we think a lot about Jesus in the context of mortality.

• 1:43:02Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:02Speaker 07

  Like with, within the story of Jesus and then what Jesus represents.

• 1:43:06Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:06Speaker 07

  From the spiritual side as a Christian, as the gateway to salvation, you know? And, uh,

• 1:43:13Speaker 07

  I don't think it's too literal within the songs. It's more about

• 1:43:16Yasi Salek?

  Right.

• 1:43:17Speaker 07

  Um, what Jesus represents, but yeah, I don't think I was aware of that. It's kind of like maybe just being raised Catholic and

• 1:43:24Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I'm sure you have some deep rooted associations there that kind of like came out when you're thinking about certain themes and you're writing lyrics about them.

• 1:43:34Speaker 07

  I feel like somebody's asking about it almost every night. And I think a lot of people are expecting me to be like, oh, like, you know, born again and

• 1:43:40Yasi Salek?

  Right. Like I can teach you about Jesus Christ.

• 1:43:44Speaker 07

  I'm like, I got some mushrooms that we can go talk about.

• 1:43:47Yasi Salek?

  Jesus would have been down. This is always, I have a shout out the beautiful Catholic monk that listens to this podcast. We love you. I love emailing with him. I just, I love, I'm like really deeply fascinated by spirituality and religion. And I, I like talking about it because I think people don't talk about it enough anymore. And I also kind of feel like, much like we're talking about having lack of community and lack of friction. We also have lack of spirituality. And it's totally okay. You don't have to have spirituality. It's not what I'm saying, but I do feel going too far secular has created some pretty big holes in people that they're filling in kind of like

• 1:44:24Yasi Salek?

  not ideal ways, like looks maxing, for example. Um, that's, God is not about that, babe. God doesn't want you to look max. God made you perfect. So yeah, that's, I just like, I think that's part of like what caught my ear when I was listening. I was like, oh.

• 1:44:39Speaker 07

  In reference to patient zero and where hardcore comes from, the bad brains.

• 1:44:43Yasi Salek?

  Oh, my God. Bye.

• 1:44:44Speaker 07

  Maybe 50% of discography.

• 1:44:46Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:47Speaker 07

  Is about God.

• 1:44:48Yasi Salek?

  Of course, they were deeply, deeply religious, sometimes to a, to a fault, you know?

• 1:44:52Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:44:53Yasi Salek?

  But yeah, you know, I, I mean, don't, don't let me start sounding crazy, but I always say that I think, I think all art is about God, whether or not people know it, you know, like.

• 1:45:02Speaker 07

  Music is the, the sonic representation of God.

• 1:45:04Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. I could 100% could not more completely agree.

• 1:45:08Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:45:08Yasi Salek?

  Even, even Kid Rock, man.

• 1:45:11Speaker 07

  There uh I feel like I've been seeing this theme come up so much and I and there's like something I theorized when I was young and I tell my friends about it and maybe like shut up dude you know but

• 1:45:19Yasi Salek?

  We're just having taco bowl.

• 1:45:22Speaker 07

  But I feel like I've like seen it a lot like a couple of different artists saying basically the same idea where it's like I don't think music is something that you're like my brain I'm like such a genius and I sat down and it's like I think like culture like energy it like makes its way to you and I think that's what God is it's the

• 1:45:39Yasi Salek?

  Exactly.

• 1:45:40Speaker 07

  It's energy you know God is isn't a person with a staff or something.

• 1:45:44Yasi Salek?

  No, everything is God.

• 1:45:45Speaker 07

  Yeah and God puts influence and energy and there's a song that's there and it's just up to you to find it.

• 1:45:54Yasi Salek?

  Can you yeah we we talk about this all the time especially with like really insane songs that are like really iconic you often hear the person say like I don't know just like all came to me at once like we had Barry Johnson here he was talking about um constant headache and he was like it all came to me in one swoop on the bus it was like the first and I was like yeah that's God.

• 1:46:14Speaker 07

  Those are always the best songs too it's like yes God just cherry picked them gave you the nice little.

• 1:46:18Yasi Salek?

  And it's like can you be a vessel or can you not be are you are you closed off or are you open you know so many people have been like we've turned this podcast off.

• 1:46:28Speaker 07

  I believe that and then there's moments where I'm like was my little cherry pick moment angel dust punch you in the fucking face you know what I mean?

• 1:46:35Yasi Salek?

  Why not?

• 1:46:36Speaker 07

  But it's like serves a purpose you know what I mean it's like it's community it's bringing people together having a good time forgetting about what's going on in the world you know?

• 1:46:42Yasi Salek?

  Also even past that like it's not up to us to understand what why you know like that's like so beyond our human brains you know so it's like yeah like what what God is thinking?

• 1:46:57Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:46:58Yasi Salek?

  Who the fuck impossible for us to comprehend okay I got one more question from you from um a fellow musician.

• 1:47:08Speaker 07

  Nice.

• 1:47:08Yasi Salek?

  This is from Missy from Mannequin Pussy. She said, "Before I even met Justice, I was inspired by his output. I think he's quite prolific and always seems to be working on something. I'm kind of interested if he has any secret projects or collaborations with people that haven't seen the light." She's also very grateful to you for letting Mannequin Pussy use all their, your gear when theirs got stolen.

• 1:47:32Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah. What a terrible.

• 1:47:35Yasi Salek?

  I know, god, a nightmare.

• 1:47:36Speaker 07

  Thing to happen. She's lovely. Their band is so cool.

• 1:47:40Yasi Salek?

  So cool.

• 1:47:40Speaker 07

  Great people.

• 1:47:41Yasi Salek?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:42Speaker 07

  Really inspiring band. Also, Ian, you phoned in to really important creative people in my life.

• 1:47:50Yasi Salek?

  Those are, those are the ones I'm friends with because they're, as, as they would say about you, these are lights. You know, like, I feel like very drawn to them because they're, they're just like easy to connect with.

• 1:48:01Speaker 07

  I don't know if I have anything.

• 1:48:03Yasi Salek?

  It's all a secret.

• 1:48:04Speaker 07

  In the bakery. I've had a couple of moments where it's like, you know, I've like jammed with a lot of really cool, interesting people and you have a moment where you're like, "We're gonna do this thing." And some of those have been impressive, but I, I think it would be misleading to mention any of them. I guess Tim Armstrong plays on, sings on Angel Dust Song.

• 1:48:27Yasi Salek?

  Incredible.

• 1:48:28Speaker 07

  And there was a moment where, like, it's, he's like the reason that, like, my, my first ever band when I was a little kid, I joined a band. It was called Destination Unknown after the rancid song.

• 1:48:41Yasi Salek?

  Destination Unknown.

• 1:48:42Speaker 07

  Yes. And it's like, wouldn't, like, absolutely, we can, we let people throw that out there, like, "I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for you." Truly wouldn't, who knows what else, you know? And got the opportunity to like play with him and write music a little bit. And we were thrown on the idea of doing an EP called Tim and Justice.

• 1:48:59Yasi Salek?

  Yes.

• 1:49:00Speaker 07

  Which.

• 1:49:01Yasi Salek?

  I say yes.

• 1:49:01Speaker 07

  Would do anything to make that happen one day, you know?

• 1:49:05Yasi Salek?

  I say yes. Do it.

• 1:49:07Speaker 07

  Yeah, I definitely, again, worked a lot of really cool people. It's not to underplay anybody. Just like, nothing that's ever been like, came to fruition and would be fair to. To say, but maybe there's a Missy.

• 1:49:20Yasi Salek?

  I was gonna say. I'm so down. Can I be in the, can I play like a keys or something?

• 1:49:25Speaker 07

  You can contribute whatever you have to offer.

• 1:49:26Yasi Salek?

  Okay, gorgeous. I'm not musical, but I think I bring a lot to the table.

• 1:49:32Speaker 07

  Words.

• 1:49:33Yasi Salek?

  I'm really good with those. Bit of a wordsmith. Although I have a fantasy of learning to play guitar at this age and I'm like, wouldn't that be kind of cool? Or would it be really lame? Yeah, you say that because you can play it.

• 1:49:48Speaker 07

  There's like little tricks, you know?

• 1:49:49Yasi Salek?

  Yeah. This will be, this is my year for real. Age 43.

• 1:49:54Speaker 07

  We'll get you set up. Fender would get you a nice Fender guitar.

• 1:49:59Yasi Salek?

  Oh, my God, Fender, are you listening? I feel like what a.

• 1:50:01Speaker 07

  Chasing.

• 1:50:02Yasi Salek?

  Gorgeous, we can have an inspirational journey of it's never too late. That's the new Fender campaign. It's never too late with podcaster Yasi Salek.

• 1:50:09Speaker 07

  You have to display the guitar here when you're not playing it.

• 1:50:11Yasi Salek?

  Yeah, I mean, no problem.

• 1:50:13Speaker 07

  And then we'll set you up with drop D tuning, which I think is a great way to.

• 1:50:16Yasi Salek?

  The grunge tuning, babe. Justice, this has been just a real delight, I have to say. I was so excited to talk to you. I love this album. You have a really interesting way of looking at the world and.

• 1:50:28Speaker 07

  Thank you.

• 1:50:28Yasi Salek?

  Of course, I wish that more artists had your stance on things. I think we'd get more interesting art.

• 1:50:38Speaker 07

  I appreciate it. That's a very nice thing to say.

• 1:50:40Yasi Salek?

  Of course. You guys, check out Cold to the Touch, stream and/or purchase physically and check out Angel Dust on tour and come back next week for a new episode of Bandplain.

• 1:50:57Yasi Salek?

  If you liked what you heard today, subscribe for more episodes of Bandplain. Our guest today was Chris Ryan. Happy end of CR month. This episode was produced by Rob Sunderland and edited by Adrian Bridges with help from Justin Sales. Video production by Jamie Yukich. Executive producers for Bandplain are Gina Dalvak and me, Yasi Salek. Our gorgeous and catchy theme song was composed and performed by Bethany Cosentino and Jennifer Clavain and graciously recorded by Carlos Delagarza in Los Angeles, California. Special thanks to our producer emeritus, producer Dylan, AKA Dylan Tupper Rupert, and also the Lincoln Lawyer. Come back every Thursday for a new episode of Bandplain on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts.

• 1:51:38Speaker 06

  I would love to like just start doing like executive produced by Jerry Bruckheimer.

• 1:51:45Speaker 06

  And Don Simpson, the dead one.