Savannah James & April McDaniel on Friendship and Building a Business with Your Bestie

Best friends and Everybody’s Crazy podcast co-hosts Savannah James and April McDaniel join Keke for some hilarious girl talk about adult friendship, vulnerability, and motherhood. Savannah opens up about turning 40 and LeBron James’s new chapter with the Philadelphia 76ers, while April discusses building a business with her bestie and breaking barriers as a Black female founder. Plus, a game has all three calling out friendship red flags, deciding who belongs in their corner and who needs to GO! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Keke Palmer?

  Okay guys, my guests today have a whole podcast based on the fact that if you've been outside lately, you know that people are on one. And honestly, where's the lie? Savannah James is an entrepreneur and philanthropist who has built a lane of her own across business, media, and fashion. And yes, she also happens to be married to a certain NBA legend. Maybe you've heard of him, LeBron James. And April McDaniel is the founder behind Crown and Conquer, where she's created major cultural moments for some of the biggest brands in the world. Together, they're best friends, co-hosts of the podcast Everybody's Crazy, and co-founders of their own company. And today, they're about to give us the real. We're talking friendship,

• 0:42Keke Palmer?

  marriage, motherhood, finding the people who show up for you and tell you what you need to hear even when you don't always want to hear it. So, let's get into it. Baby, this is Keke Palmer.

• 1:24Keke Palmer?

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• 1:44Keke Palmer?

  Baby, this is Savannah James and April McDaniel. They already having fun back here. Come on out, girls.

• 1:56Keke Palmer?

  Hey, girl. You look so good. Come on, the blonde poppin' it out. How are you? You was beautiful too.

• 2:03Speaker 01

  My gosh, I did not know we was filming.

• 2:05Keke Palmer?

  I'm so ready for the girl time of it all. We're literally about to cut off. Yes, fashions. I feel like we all knew what we came here to do.

• 2:12Speaker 01

  Period.

• 2:12Keke Palmer?

  Yes. How y'all feeling? Good vibes? Today is good? It's not that early?

• 2:16Speaker 01

  No, it's not bad.

• 2:17Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, right. It's a chill vibe. Um, well, I'm so happy to have you on the show. You know I live for you. Like, I've been waiting for our time to get together on and off camera.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  It's been too long.

• 2:26Keke Palmer?

  Come on, Virgo.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 2:28Keke Palmer?

  Yes, and you just had a birthday.

• 2:29Speaker 01

  I did a big one.

• 2:30Keke Palmer?

  Ooh, 48.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  I feel great, though.

• 2:33Keke Palmer?

  Girl, and you look incredible. Period. Okay, well, let's get into this pre-show pull-up. Um, what is your zodiac sign, April?

• 2:41Speaker 01

  Taurus.

• 2:42Keke Palmer?

  Taurus, a perfect match. Do y'all know y'all's moon in rising?

• 2:46Speaker 01

  Yes, ma'am.

• 2:47Keke Palmer?

  Okay, so let's just use it. Yes, ma'am.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  Okay, I get them confused, but I believe Gemini moon, Pisces rising.

• 2:52Keke Palmer?

  Woo, so we got a little bit of air and we got a little bit of water.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  It's getting crazy.

• 2:57Keke Palmer?

  Yes. We have to keep the spice up because you know that Virgo in us can get a little bit boring. No shades. You know, I live for, everybody knows I love being a Virgo. But if we don't have a little bit of extra spice, we can get a little too even keel. Because I got the Sag moon. And that Sag moon keeps me up. What about you, April?

• 3:14Speaker 01

  I am Sag moon and Taurus rising.

• 3:18Keke Palmer?

  Oh, double Taurus. Period. I always say this about all Taurus is y'all are always somewhere looking cute. I don't know what it like, they give that aesthetic credit to the Libras, but every Taurus I know is always just so cute somewhere. I don't know what it is.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  I think we like to be put together.

• 3:32Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  It's like, we always talk about this because we have a debate about the scarf to the bed and the bonnet. And I have an issue with the bonnet.

• 3:41Keke Palmer?

  What's, tell me to, tell me to deal with the bonnet, girl. Put me on the game.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, like waking up to a bonnet is a no for me.

• 3:49Keke Palmer?

  So what are you in? Are you, are we talking like?

• 3:51Speaker 01

  A cute scarf.

• 3:52Keke Palmer?

  A cute scarf. Like, like it's like the silk one?

• 3:54Speaker 01

  Yes, a cute one.

• 3:56Keke Palmer?

  But how can you keep it all together under there?

• 3:57Speaker 01

  Well, it's just kind of.

• 3:58Keke Palmer?

  You can't. You can't. Um, to me, I'm waking up to a hair that's not done. Like, now I gotta overly do it because I want to be cute in the sleep.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I just like want to wake up cute.

• 4:09Keke Palmer?

  I love that. The both is a vibe. I do it on my show. On the burbs, they have it to where my character, she has the scarf on first and then she puts the bonnet on top. And I'm like, maybe I need to do that.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  I do both.

• 4:19Keke Palmer?

  I just be slapping that damn bonnet on, calling it a day. Um, okay, what is your love language? And I like to break it down like this. How do you recognize when you're being loved? And how do you like to show love?

• 4:33Speaker 01

  My love language is definitely quality time.

• 4:35Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  I feel most loved when you are just wanting to spend time with me and gaze into my eyes and talk to me and do all of the things. And like, spend time doing things that we've never done before, which requires time. I think the way that I give love, hmm, it's probably quality time.

• 4:55Keke Palmer?

  The way you was rubbing on that leg, you gave something else. The way that I give love.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  I was like.

• 5:02Keke Palmer?

  I got into the imagery, though.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  I think it's, I think it's quality time, too.

• 5:06Keke Palmer?

  Fabulous. Quality time is everything. Especially, like I said, for us earth signs, we need to be talking and, you know, what do they, what do they call us? Homebodies. You know what I mean? What about you, April?

• 5:17Speaker 01

  I think mine's is acts of service.

• 5:19Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  When I give love.

• 5:22Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:23Speaker 01

  Like, I'm gonna show up 110%. What do we need to do? What do we need to get done? I think mine's used to be gifts. But people think that gifts means like elaborate. And I'm more like thoughtful. Like, I want to know, I want to.

• 5:41Keke Palmer?

  Sentimental.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  Yes, sentimental and very thoughtful. So that kind of gift, not the fabulous version of what people see. Like, you know, somebody's birthday and you're getting gifted a car. Like, I'm, I'm good on that. I don't need that.

• 5:54Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah. Unless it was like my dream car that I wanted at 16, something sentimental. I get exactly what you mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's how you like to receive it?

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Yes, that's how I like to receive it.

• 6:03Keke Palmer?

  Yeah. What is something that your friends roast you for? If y'all friends roast y'all?

• 6:09Speaker 01

  We get roasted. We get roasted. We get roasted and we roast.

• 6:13Keke Palmer?

  Roast. Period. Come on to dozens.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Something I get roasted about. Probably the fact that, so my stylist, Casey, love him so much.

• 6:23Keke Palmer?

  Hey, Casey.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  He does an amazing job dressing me. But he roasts me because he like, you got all this stuff in here. You never want to go nowhere or do nothing. So that goes back to the homebody. But like, why not? Like, are you okay?

• 6:35Keke Palmer?

  I got it just in case, though.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:37Keke Palmer?

  When the moment comes.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  We ready.

• 6:39Keke Palmer?

  We're ready, so we stay ready.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Period.

• 6:42Keke Palmer?

  I feel you on that. Sometimes I'll put something on and it's still got the tag on it.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  Always.

• 6:46Keke Palmer?

  And I'm like, oh, I ain't remember I had them.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Where'd she come from?

• 6:51Keke Palmer?

  Literally, literally. What about you, April?

• 6:53Speaker 01

  I feel like I get roasted for a lot of things.

• 6:57Keke Palmer?

  Mm-mm.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 6:59Keke Palmer?

  Is it Savannah doing the roasting?

• 7:00Speaker 01

  All of them. They all roast me. First of all, I get roasted for being mean. Well, sometimes you need to be a little bit stern with [BLEEP]. I'm, I get roasted for being mean. I think that's probably the biggest one.

• 7:12Keke Palmer?

  Okay, wait, let's describe me. You know what I mean? Like, what type of mean are we talking?

• 7:15Speaker 01

  What I see as mean is not what, what others see as mean. So. Yours is more not aligned. I'm just not aligned with that. Yeah, like I'm very engaged. So like, say the two of you are out, and you're my friend. I'm walking up like, oh my God, I love you. Oh my God, girl, let me see. And this is your friend. And I'm like, hey. So, oh my God, let me tell you.

• 7:40Keke Palmer?

  That gives Taurus.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  Right, but I, I, I still said, hey.

• 7:44Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, you say, hey, but it's like, girl, I don't know you like that. I can't give you all of that same energy.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  No, but people get very upset about that.

• 7:50Keke Palmer?

  The Virgo in me is doing too much with everybody. It's, I don't know, I don't know if you feel like that is a Virgo. Maybe your, your other signs are balancing it out. But I'm always like, when somebody else is there, I'm, I'm like, hey, girl, it's wonderful to meet you too.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no.

• 8:03Keke Palmer?

  Like, I'm just soaked up. Like, energy is maxed out.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no. You would stress me out.

• 8:11Keke Palmer?

  Woo, good thing I kept a calm on the arrival today.

• 8:13Speaker 01

  Savannah is, is not, she's not that extreme, but she's very nice. She's like, hey. I'm gonna show love to the world. Yeah, she gonna show love.

• 8:18Keke Palmer?

  I think that's a Virgo thing that we feel like we've got to do all that. I mean, it's no wrong or no right, but it literally is just personality, like.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  But I'm working on it. I'm working on it. I am working on it. Because my friends roasting me so bad.

• 8:30Keke Palmer?

  That is too funny.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  I had to practice how to say, nice to see you again.

• 8:36Keke Palmer?

  That looked insane. But it also is very fierce. Something about it also feels very boss diva of it all that I really love as well.

• 8:43Speaker 01

  I want to be nice. I'm trying to tap into.

• 8:45Keke Palmer?

  It gives CEO energy.

• 8:46Speaker 01

  I'm trying to tap into. It's nice to see you again, even though I've never seen you in my life. It's great to see you. Love it.

• 8:51Keke Palmer?

  It is worse when they're like, we've met before.

• 8:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, girl.

• 8:56Keke Palmer?

  What can I say now?

• 8:58Speaker 01

  That was my one liner. That's all. Oh my God, it's nice to see you again. Like, that's all I'm gonna say.

• 9:02Keke Palmer?

  Literally. Um, okay, what is one movie? And if you need to give me a couple, go ahead, give me a couple. But what is one movie you could watch over and over and over?

• 9:13Keke Palmer?

  Why y'all looking at each other like?

• 9:14Speaker 02

  Baby don't got no movies.

• 9:17Keke Palmer?

  You not a movie watcher, mama.

• 9:19Speaker 02

  I don't watch TV or movies.

• 9:21Keke Palmer?

  Why, babe?

• 9:22Speaker 02

  It just.

• 9:23Keke Palmer?

  It bores you?

• 9:24Speaker 02

  The whole thing stresses me out.

• 9:25Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh. Really? No favorite TV show growing up?

• 9:30Keke Palmer?

  You didn't watch Girlfriends?

• 9:31Speaker 02

  I mean, I've seen it.

• 9:33Keke Palmer?

  Family Matters.

• 9:34Speaker 02

  I've seen it. I've seen it all. When I was younger, but it's not really where I enjoy spending my time.

• 9:42Keke Palmer?

  Okay, so wait, before I get on her movies, I got a sideline with you now. What is your judge? Like, if it's not going to the movies, like, is it like, are you going to the beach? Do you like going shopping? Like, what is your thing?

• 9:54Speaker 02

  I like to spend a lot of alone time.

• 9:56Keke Palmer?

  Okay, period.

• 9:57Speaker 02

  Um, I spend time with my friends.

• 10:00Keke Palmer?

  Sure, sure.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  Like, quality time. I'll go take a walk, I'll journal.

• 10:04Keke Palmer?

  Love to journal.

• 10:05Speaker 02

  I love an errand.

• 10:08Keke Palmer?

  Come on in the car with my matcha and music.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  The errands. Queen of the errands. And I am very thoughtful, so like, I'm always doing something. Right now, my hobby is I have pen pals. I have five of them.

• 10:20Keke Palmer?

  How did you find them?

• 10:22Speaker 02

  So I posted on Instagram, I have like, my own little page where, not the public one. And I just like, hey, if anybody wants me to, um, send you a letter, send me your address. And people wrote back, and I've been pen palling, like, my friends across the United States.

• 10:38Keke Palmer?

  I think that's very sweet and cute.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, I just feel like that is what I'd prefer to do than to watch somebody else emotionally fall apart on a Tuesday.

• 10:46Keke Palmer?

  Uh-oh.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  And then I'd be stressed.

• 10:48Keke Palmer?

  You can't put on a comedy and just laugh?

• 10:50Speaker 02

  I know, right?

• 10:52Keke Palmer?

  Okay, what about you, Savannah? What are the movies or a movie that you go watch?

• 10:55Speaker 02

  Love. So I am a horror fanatic. Love watching horror movies, and to be honest, I mean, I'm a classic eighties horrors.

• 11:03Keke Palmer?

  Yes, girl.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  So any of those, Nightmare on Elm Street, um, Freddy Krueger.

• 11:08Keke Palmer?

  I live for Freddy. I live for Freddy. It's him.

• 11:12Speaker 02

  Friday the 13th, all that.

• 11:13Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, yes.

• 11:14Speaker 02

  I could watch those over and over. I love Bridesmaids. It's one of my favorite movies. I could watch it at any point that I see it on the TV. I'mma turn it on. And I'm a Tyler Perry fan.

• 11:23Keke Palmer?

  All day.

• 11:24Speaker 02

  I love me a Tyler Perry movie.

• 11:26Keke Palmer?

  Day girl, I literally, me and my family watched Why Did I Get Married to New One three times.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  Already you did?

• 11:31Keke Palmer?

  Girl, chewing too much. We sit up there laughing at all the same jokes. Look at Tasha, ah, like. Too much, but I live for Tyler as well. I'm so excited. He's got a new movie that he's getting ready to do with my friend Taylor Page, which I'm so excited. And Lucy in Labyrinth Count, but I'm here for it all. He's got his own genre.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  Yes, he does.

• 11:48Keke Palmer?

  Um, okay, so we got our little pre-show pull-up. I mean, guys, before we really get into it, you guys are often talking about, you know, the crazies on your show. On your podcast. So before taking the calls from real people, I mean, we got to figure out today, like, what are the crazies that you guys are experiencing right now? What is the crazy in your life?

• 12:07Speaker 02

  The crazy in my life.

• 12:08Keke Palmer?

  And then I'll give you mine.

• 12:09Speaker 02

  Okay. The crazy in my life is the fact that I have to figure out how to be three places at once. That is crazy. I try not to think about it because I'm like, it's gonna stress me out. And I know it has to happen, but that is crazy.

• 12:23Keke Palmer?

  And what are the three places? I mean, I know L.A. and I know LeBron just starting to do. Is Philly?

• 12:27Speaker 02

  Philly.

• 12:28Keke Palmer?

  Philly, and what's the other place?

• 12:29Speaker 02

  So, there's a little caveat to that. So, New York will be the hub. So it will be L.A., New York, and Philly.

• 12:37Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 12:37Speaker 02

  And my son is in school in Tucson, Arizona. So, along with his season, he's everywhere else, so. Trying to plan my life out like that is a little crazy for me right now.

• 12:49Keke Palmer?

  That's gonna take that organizing, that scheduling.

• 12:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:52Keke Palmer?

  That scheduling is a full-time job.

• 12:54Speaker 02

  It is.

• 12:55Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  When one thing is off, it throw my whole day off. I'm like, what?

• 12:59Keke Palmer?

  Literally, like, where is, very much given, where is Waldo? Where is Savannah today?

• 13:02Speaker 02

  Right, exactly.

• 13:03Keke Palmer?

  You know what I mean?

• 13:04Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 13:04Keke Palmer?

  What about you, April?

• 13:06Speaker 01

  My crazy is kind of getting acclimated. We have, we put all these businesses together and getting acclimated with all the businesses while also not trying to be the same leader that I was before.

• 13:22Keke Palmer?

  Wait a minute, let's get into that. What did you, because, because leadership, I was gonna say, my crazy is I'm in a distillation phase, a stewardship phase. You know, I've been working and demonstrating my craft, and now it's like, I'm trying to be a different type of leader of what I'm doing. So when you said that, please break it down of what type of leader you were and what you realized about leadership now.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  I mean, I've realized a lot about myself, and I think in doing the inner work to learn about yourself, you figure out like, how you want to lead and how you want to be led.

• 13:53Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  And I think when you're at the top, you're like, oh, I'm the only one leading. So for many ti, for many years, I was by myself as a partner, so now I'm in partnership, which is very odd, like, for me. Because I was doing it so long by myself. Um, and I just think knowing that you can't control people.

• 14:13Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  Like, okay, that is what it's gonna be. Like, that just happened, oh, my God. I often, for many years, would be in shock. Like, I'd be like, what just happened? I can't believe they did it. Savannah'd be like, yeah, they did it. I'd be like, you're okay with it? Yeah, like, and it's just like, the understanding that it's not gonna be all in your control, but it will be okay.

• 14:35Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, and to trust people and to learn how to collaborate in a way that is conducive for them to bring their best self out. It's actually really difficult, though.

• 14:44Speaker 01

  It is very difficult.

• 14:45Keke Palmer?

  You don't even know, it's not even like somebody is trying to be controlling, it's just like, you think that just because you said something, or you've explained something, that it's gonna land the way that you said it. And it's just like, you know, a lot of managing relationships.

• 14:56Speaker 01

  A lot of managing, and I think the more you get to the top, the less creative it is up there.

• 15:03Keke Palmer?

  Interesting.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  Because there's more people and there's more things. So trying to keep the creative at the nucleus, so you don't lose it, because that's what makes most founders so great.

• 15:14Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, how has that helped in terms of you expanding in your team, right? Like, because if you have to be thinking about the money, or, you know, the KPIs, whatever these things that you're thinking about, how has it been for you to like, be like, okay, well, this is the, this is the people that I can trust over here? And these are, how have you?

• 15:29Speaker 01

  We're learning. I feel like we're learning. Savannah is very creative.

• 15:34Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  And very whimsy. So like, when I'm very serious, she's like, well, we can do that. I'm like, where are we gonna get the money from?

• 15:41Keke Palmer?

  She don't know where we're getting the money from.

• 15:43Speaker 01

  Don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. And I'm like, well, how much is it gonna cost? Don't worry, don't worry, don't worry about it. And I'm like, well, wait a second, do you have a plan? No, I don't have a plan. Like, I'm like, what? So, but it's nice, because it, it, it makes you remember why you started it. And I think I've been very rigid as a leader. When you're like, the one making the money and responsible for everybody, it can be quite rigid.

• 16:06Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 16:06Speaker 01

  So to have like, the complex dynamics has made it also really joyful for me, and just to be like, it's okay, y'all gonna figure it out.

• 16:16Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  And maybe not how, how quick you thought or how you thought it was, but it will work out, which has been really nice.

• 16:24Keke Palmer?

  Where do most of y'all, when I'm seeing you guys talking back and forth, I'm thinking to myself, where do most of your board meetings go down? And I use board meetings in, uh, quotes, because like, are y'all in the sauna? Are y'all on the couch? You know, is it over dinner? Is it while you getting your hair done, nails done? Where do y'all usually be?

• 16:40Speaker 02

  If I could find her, first of all.

• 16:44Keke Palmer?

  Okay, right, where's Savannah? So where's Waldo?

• 16:46Speaker 02

  First of all. I would say a lot of FaceTime calls.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  A lot of FaceTime.

• 16:50Keke Palmer?

  A lot of dinners.

• 16:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:51Keke Palmer?

  I live for the dinners of it all.

• 16:53Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  A lot of dinners.

• 16:54Keke Palmer?

  I like a notebook, though, so I've had to conform, because I like it to be formal.

• 16:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:58Keke Palmer?

  I'm very formal.

• 17:00Speaker 01

  Savannah's very like, okay, and then I'll be, I'll be coming with a little notepad up, like, you be gone three days, I have sixty-eight notes. Like, I'll be having so many notes, and Savannah's like, just relax, let's have a drink. You want an espresso margarita? I'm like, we need to make a decision here. I had to call the lawyer here. We had to do this. She's like, it's gonna be okay.

• 17:19Keke Palmer?

  Do y'all have a favorite L.A. spot?

• 17:23Speaker 02

  My house.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:25Keke Palmer?

  Literally at home, yeah, at the house.

• 17:27Speaker 02

  My chef is amazing. We got all the drinks, all the wines. What you wanna do?

• 17:31Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, I'm gonna live for that vibe just going on me. I could be there taking those with y'all. So according to April, right? We have to go back to line item five. Literally.

• 17:44Speaker 02

  That's right, she, I want a deck, I want the board.

• 17:47Keke Palmer?

  Girl, I got into a period of my life where I was making a deck every afternoon.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  But you're making creative decks.

• 17:52Keke Palmer?

  Girl, why those, those decks can get you in a tailspin.

• 17:56Speaker 02

  Yes, but you have a lot of ideas.

• 17:59Keke Palmer?

  Girl, it's ridiculous. I have my twenty-twenty-six Keke Palmer Co, Kiko System.

• 18:03Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:03Keke Palmer?

  For twenty-twenty-six. I was like, hey, team, this is the new deck, forty pages. Girl, calm down.

• 18:08Speaker 02

  Yes, I love it. I would be like, okay, what are we doing? How do we execute?

• 18:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 18:13Speaker 02

  It'd be a good duo.

• 18:14Keke Palmer?

  We're talking about LeBron's changing teams, Zuri is now entering the sixth grade, this is crazy. Your family is entering a new chapter, Savannah. So how would you describe what it, what it feels like for you? Has it really settled in? Um, do you feel different, you know?

• 18:31Speaker 02

  I think, to be honest, I feel different because it's, it, while all of these things are happening around me, it's amazing, you know, LeBron going to play in Philly is gonna be an adjustment. But it is gonna work out. Zuri going into the middle school is an adjustment, but it's gonna work out. And then the boys are kind of living their own lives, but I think the way that it feels for me is that I feel different in myself. In like, the work that I've done and the, the, the way that I want it to feel going into this milestone age.

• 19:00Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 19:00Speaker 02

  So, it, it's not necessarily that it feels different because all of the things are happening, it's really just because of how I'm looking at it from the outside, I guess, in. And I'm just, I'm a lot more comfortable with, like, because you say LeBron was going to Philly five years ago, I'd have been like, huh? Well, we gotta pack up everything. Zuri, I don't care how you feel, we is going. You know what I'm saying? So now I'm just like, a lot more like, okay, and calm, and everything is gonna be okay, and we can visit and do the thing. So I just feel like it's really how I'm feeling more so than, you know.

• 19:31Keke Palmer?

  How, how much of it is reflective of how you thought forty would be like, and how much of it is like, oh, this is completely different?

• 19:37Speaker 02

  Oh, no, I had a plan. I went into this like, I want to feel a certain way. I want to look at the next forty, if you will.

• 19:44Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  Um, of my life, and not be, I guess, questioning myself or decisions that I make and all of those types of things. So that was not the case before, so I am happy to be in this space right now. It feels good.

• 20:00Keke Palmer?

  I love that so much. And then LeBron said that Zuri had a voice in him going and playing for the Seventy-Sixers, so, I mean, how does she feel about his decision?

• 20:09Speaker 02

  She was trying to figure it out, like, so am I not gonna see him? Like, how is this gonna work? Um, so, but we also asked her, like, so you can go to school, like, we can go to New York, we can go to Philly, and she's actually like, yeah, no. Um, volleyball and school, I don't want to be away from school for that long. I still want to play with my teammates, so she really was just kind of like, okay, like, we'll still visit, I'll have my time, but I still get to go and do what I want to do, like, with my friends and my teammates.

• 20:34Keke Palmer?

  I love the autonomy surrounding that, and it's really, I love to hear it, because for me, with Leo, he's three. My son. And so he doesn't have maybe that much understanding or context around what I do and how it affects his school and his life. He's still at that stage where learning is, he could be in something, but it's not gonna make or break it.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:52Keke Palmer?

  But that's gonna change soon.

• 20:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:54Keke Palmer?

  And when it comes to me traveling, I'm always wondering like, you know, would he rather be homeschooled? You know, so he can be with me, or would he rather be in school? So I love hearing this and just getting that perspective with, as they get older with the kind of lifestyles that we have. Like, how do we have those conversations with them and make sure they feel autonomous and not just an appendage?

• 21:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 21:13Keke Palmer?

  In terms of our life and our dreams, but that they're their own person and they still can be connected to us.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  And that their opinion on whatever that is, it actually matters. And the, the world doesn't always revolve around what we have going on, but what they think is just as important.

• 21:26Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah, so I, I really love that. You know, I was interested to realize, first of all, rest in peace, Dolly Parton, I cannot believe we lost her. So crazy. But when I was getting ready to talk to you guys, I found out, April, that you literally love Dolly Parton. And have, have enough memorabilia for a museum? Like, girl, what's the tea with that?

• 21:46Speaker 01

  I just love her. I think she's such a queen. And I think what I really loved about her, she was so big to everybody, but how kind she was and how compassionate she was. And I think being human is so important. So I just loved how she led her life, how she carried. And I just look back at old videos of her and just how she accepted like black icons and black women? And how she embodied long nails when they were considered ratchet or, you know, had stigmas to them.

• 22:18Keke Palmer?

  A lot of awareness.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  Yes, a lot. And, and really like the donation and giving to kids that are underprivileged. Like, I just love all of who she was as a human. Not to mention her music and everything else, but queen.

• 22:34Keke Palmer?

  Yes, I couldn't agree with you more. I got the pleasure of working with her. I did Joyful Noise with her and Queen Latifah. And I'll never forget how kind she, everything you're saying, how kind she was to me. How thoughtful, how perceptive she was of my experience, you know what I'm saying? How she made us lemon bars on set. I mean, she was really giving queen. I mean, she was just awesome. She really, really, really was.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  Last year I was supposed to see her. She had like four shows in Vegas as she canceled. And I was so sad, cause I was like, this is my last chance to see her. Like, I knew she was getting older, obviously, but, I mean, queen.

• 23:09Keke Palmer?

  Do you have a favorite like that? Like, is there a favorite of yours, singer, actor, artist, anybody that you're like, oh, I always loved them growing up?

• 23:17Speaker 01

  Well, unfortunately, I had that with Michael Jackson. That was like, I remember when he was going on the This Is It tour, I'm like, I am going to London to the O2 to see this show.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Couldn't do it, but ever since a kid, I was.

• 23:30Keke Palmer?

  Did you watch Michael?

• 23:32Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 23:32Keke Palmer?

  Me too, girl. I was in there like.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  That was amazing.

• 23:37Keke Palmer?

  Um, okay, I know you girls are very busy, but I know you guys live for a girl's trip and I heard that Morocco was next on the list. So I mean, what are we doing when we go? Like, and I say we because I'm invited. Like, we just found out right now that, you know, I'm invited. Are we sightseeing, shopping? Like, what is the deal?

• 23:56Speaker 01

  We are mapping out the whole, I'm the planner.

• 23:59Speaker 02

  This one has a full itinerary.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  I have the full itinerary.

• 24:01Keke Palmer?

  Are you sure there's no work going on?

• 24:03Speaker 01

  Listen, they're doing, we're doing the best of everything.

• 24:06Keke Palmer?

  I love it.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  And we're calling and arranging everything in advance, so there's no challenges, cause I don't enjoy challenges. So, we're doing it all. I mean, I think we travel to see it all. Like, the culture of it.

• 24:20Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  The people, like, um.

• 24:23Keke Palmer?

  Have you been to Africa at all before?

• 24:25Speaker 01

  I just went to Africa for four weeks.

• 24:27Keke Palmer?

  Where did you go? Four weeks is a wonderful amount of time. You really gotta be up in there somewhere like that.

• 24:31Speaker 01

  I really was up in there.

• 24:32Keke Palmer?

  What, what, what country?

• 24:35Keke Palmer?

  Well, multiple countries, I don't know.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  Yes, I was Nigeria, Cape Town, Kenya, Rwanda, and the Seychelles.

• 24:43Keke Palmer?

  Now, the Seychelles, I'm not even familiar with. Don't get me online, but I'm not, what's the Seychelles about?

• 24:48Speaker 01

  It was very fabulous. Like, that, I had to end it in pure luxury, cause.

• 24:53Keke Palmer?

  Is it very luxurious?

• 24:55Speaker 02

  It's an island, right, right off the coast of Africa, yeah.

• 24:59Keke Palmer?

  The way that you're looking in my eyes right now, it feels, I feel like I'm there with you.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 25:03Keke Palmer?

  Like, she's like.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  Bottle of water, eighteen dollars. Yes, we're there.

• 25:07Keke Palmer?

  What? Eighteen dollar bottle of water, they're doing to my.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  Listen, listen, we were there for four or five days and we had to go.

• 25:13Keke Palmer?

  Right, right, give me a bottle of beer.

• 25:15Speaker 01

  Listen, it was not in the budget, but it was amazing.

• 25:18Keke Palmer?

  Quick, quick, couple of things about the trip that you, that you're like, this is what I feel like I gained there, or this is what I feel like.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh, I mean, I, every, every country, I wanted to learn about it first. I wanted to step outside my comfort zone, so we did the gorilla trek.

• 25:33Keke Palmer?

  Now, what's the gorilla trek?

• 25:35Speaker 01

  Where you trek up to the mountain, two and a half hours to sit with some gorillas in their, um, kind of area. Yes, it was wild.

• 25:44Keke Palmer?

  And they was chilling with you?

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, nineteen of them.

• 25:47Keke Palmer?

  Nineteen?

• 25:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I was with the family, yes. And you have like.

• 25:52Keke Palmer?

  You was with the family?

• 25:53Speaker 01

  Yes, the whole family. It was four silverbacks. It was crazy.

• 25:58Keke Palmer?

  It was very not.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  It was not African-American journey.

• 26:02Keke Palmer?

  No, it wasn't.

• 26:04Speaker 01

  Right. But I said I was gonna do it.

• 26:07Keke Palmer?

  And so what were they, what was their energy? How did they?

• 26:10Speaker 01

  They were minding their business.

• 26:12Keke Palmer?

  So did they acknowledge you at all?

• 26:13Speaker 01

  Not really. They, they, they. One of them moved one of my sons out the way. They just like move. They're very human.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  I would've died right there.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  But they don't, what I didn't know is that they are, they don't eat meat, so like, they don't wanna.

• 26:32Speaker 02

  They still gonna whoop.

• 26:33Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, they'll bite you to get you.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  They won't really bite you, as long as you're very respectful, they're like very respectful.

• 26:40Keke Palmer?

  So how was y'all acting? Not yourselves?

• 26:42Speaker 01

  I was, I was like this.

• 26:46Keke Palmer?

  I'd have been so stupid.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  I was very still, but they were like, like a baby was like right where Savannah's knee is. The dad was like where you are.

• 26:55Keke Palmer?

  And y'all was up in them people's house like that?

• 26:57Speaker 01

  Yes, and they were just taking naps, they had sex while we were there.

• 27:00Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh.

• 27:02Speaker 01

  Like, they are very accustomed to.

• 27:04Keke Palmer?

  People watching them?

• 27:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 27:07Keke Palmer?

  But they get food or something for letting y'all be there? Like, did somebody give them some nana?

• 27:10Speaker 01

  No, they, they eat the, off the trees, they just like.

• 27:13Keke Palmer?

  I feel like something about this ain't right. Y'all didn't pay to be in them people's house?

• 27:18Speaker 01

  You have to see. They only do two thousand permits a year. Like, it's a very. No, but they're like, they're very, they were very minding their business.

• 27:29Keke Palmer?

  It's giving Jerry Springer, if these humans have been in your house, you are gonna, you do have compensation for it.

• 27:36Speaker 01

  But the babies wanna play with you. Like, the babies like.

• 27:39Keke Palmer?

  How the mommas and the daddy feel about that?

• 27:41Speaker 01

  But the babies know, like, they get very close, they're like. Yeah, and then they show off. They like spin, they flip, they like, they're like showing off, but you can't like engage with them. You have to act like you, because they're trying to get you to react. They're very smart animals, though. They're the closest to humans.

• 28:00Keke Palmer?

  Guys, that is absolutely remarkable. That's an incredible experience. You are very brave.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  What I have to say is, I shouldn't, I did not look on YouTube before going there, but afterwards. I was like, oh, this was crazy.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  I'm glad they was acting right.

• 28:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 28:18Keke Palmer?

  What would they do?

• 28:18Speaker 01

  So they like, some of them like grab a cellphone and throw it in the woods, like they're.

• 28:23Keke Palmer?

  Cause they don't want y'all in their house?

• 28:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, some of them are annoyed, yes. But our family was not annoyed.

• 28:27Keke Palmer?

  Yet again, here they came.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 28:30Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh, because that is actually crazy, when you really sit down and think about it, like, why these damn humans keep coming in our house?

• 28:37Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 28:37Keke Palmer?

  That's incredible. Oh my gosh.

• 28:39Speaker 01

  But that was crazy.

• 28:40Keke Palmer?

  So it was a remarkable trip, so now we're on our way to Morocco and we're gonna, we're gonna enjoy what, what Morocco has to offer.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  Yes, we're definitely getting outfits.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 28:48Keke Palmer?

  Now, what do we mean by outfits? Brand new outfits, outfits in the, in the culture.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  We need, yeah, the culture.

• 28:52Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh, yes, we must pay respects.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  What are we doing? We need the jewels.

• 28:57Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  We need the china.

• 28:59Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh, I'm so with it.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  We're gonna go see all the amazing hotels, you know, there's like a YSL hotel and there's like all of these, oh my goodness, yes. Yes, yes.

• 29:11Keke Palmer?

  Well, I can't wait for our trip.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 29:14Keke Palmer?

  Um, okay, so Savannah, you're from Akron. Come on Midwest, I'm from Chicago. And you're from New Jersey. So how do you guys see those different, you know, uh, parts of the world come together within your friendship? Do you feel very Jersey? Do you feel very Akron?

• 29:28Speaker 01

  I feel very Philly.

• 29:30Keke Palmer?

  Cause you grew up in Philly.

• 29:31Speaker 01

  Well, like, my dad was from Philly.

• 29:32Keke Palmer?

  Go Birds. I know those some.

• 29:34Speaker 01

  And listen, and then I went to Temple. So I like, I feel very Philly. So that's more like drug dealer vibes.

• 29:41Keke Palmer?

  Come on, I'm here with them, with them, with them beers. They gonna give you them beer things up in Philly, yes.

• 29:47Speaker 02

  You too not about this one.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  You know, with like a new balance in a polo sweatsuit. Yeah, that's my vibe, that's my vibe, guys.

• 29:57Keke Palmer?

  Love that. What about you? You feel very Akron?

• 30:00Speaker 02

  I do, I feel very like, you know, that's where that calm, cool, collected nature comes from, cause there's a lot going on in Akron, so.

• 30:07Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, I don't think I've ever been there before. Like, what is it very, is it giving more countryside or, or is it giving more northern? Cause you know, in Chicago, it can be very, uh, southern, even though if people could, you know, say it's.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  No, I would say northern country-ish, because we have a lot of farm areas, so you could be driving. Next thing you know, it's giving full children of the corn.

• 30:27Keke Palmer?

  Exactly.

• 30:28Speaker 02

  So, it's that.

• 30:29Keke Palmer?

  That's the same thing in Chicago, for sure.

• 30:30Speaker 02

  Just kinda low-key.

• 30:31Keke Palmer?

  Yeah. Okay, so you guys started, you met when you started doing events for LeBron. You, yeah, you started doing events, events for LeBron, that's how y'all met. And I heard you immediately noticed that she had, Savannah had lots on her mind, but she wasn't saying it. What does that mean?

• 30:46Speaker 01

  Seventy-five months pregnant. Yeah, she was just like. Minding her business, but Savannah is very observant.

• 30:53Keke Palmer?

  Observant. So how did you get, I mean, how did you guys cultivate the friendship?

• 30:59Speaker 01

  What's she looking at? Cause I wanna laugh.

• 31:02Speaker 02

  There was so much going on in that party.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  You listen, you know, you ever be at a party and it's like so many dynamics?

• 31:08Keke Palmer?

  Of course.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  And I'm pregnant, so I can't really participate. She's over there, and so I wanna keep keep.

• 31:14Keke Palmer?

  And so you just started, you guys just started talking and then the friendship developed?

• 31:19Speaker 02

  And she was taking care of me, like, I, no, when I say I was big and pregnant, like huge, and she was coming checking on me, are you sure you okay? You don't want nothing, you don't need nothing. I'm like, no, I'm good, I'm good. So that's kinda where it started.

• 31:29Keke Palmer?

  Yes. Well, I mean, how did it get to the point where you guys consider, I mean, Harper's Bazaar, you say you guys are like each other's soulmates? So how did that really develop? You know, what do you think it came from? What do you identify as that soulmates?

• 31:47Keke Palmer?

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• 32:28Keke Palmer?

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• 33:13Keke Palmer?

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• 34:02Speaker 01

  I think friendship takes work. And people don't talk about it. Like, it's effort to be like, talk, connect, learn each other, figure it out. So I think we got to know each other. We ended up being in the same city in Miami at one point. And it was like, we got to know each other. And then it's just like, effort to get to know somebody. I think people don't get to know people nowadays. It's like, everything's so fast. And like, what you see on Instagram is supposed to be accurate. And like, "Oh, I saw you were sad on Instagram." You're like, "I was sad six weeks ago." You're like...

• 34:36Keke Palmer?

  And it can be quite difficult, I think, as adults too. Like, as kids, it's like, you just, "Hey," and your friends, and it's easy. But as we get older, we have different experiences that, you know, kind of take part in why or how easy it is for us to make friends. I mean, living the life that you live, living the life you live as a boss lady. I mean, both of you, both of you guys, in different aspects. It can sometimes be like, do I need new friends? Right?

• 35:02Speaker 02

  I was like that.

• 35:02Keke Palmer?

  You get what I'm saying? Like, and that's just not trustworthy. What was it about each other that said, "You're worth the investment and I'm gonna choose"? Right? Because you, I don't know, imagine that you need more friends.

• 35:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. For me, I think it was definitely the fact that April saw something in me that I didn't see in myself.

• 35:21Keke Palmer?

  Oof. Now, what was that?

• 35:23Speaker 02

  So...

• 35:24Speaker 01

  Don't make me cry on this show.

• 35:25Keke Palmer?

  What was it that you saw? Yeah, what did you see?

• 35:28Speaker 01

  No, I'm just... I, I love her. She's so great. Like, I feel like it's hard to sit amongst somebody so big and have your own identity.

• 35:40Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 35:40Speaker 01

  And I think she is a great mom. So I see in her what she may not see, but I also see things that I also lack.

• 35:49Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 35:50Speaker 01

  That I love, that I admire. So it's kind of like an exchange, in a way.

• 35:55Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  And just perspective. Like, she has a totally different perspective than me, obviously. She's like, "Hey, girl." I'm like, "Oh." So like, I mean, even the dynamics of like, how we operate is so different. And I think I'm intrigued by that personally. Like, I like someone that challenges what I think is right.

• 36:16Speaker 01

  I want someone to be like, "Mm, no." And Savannah is not scared. Like, it's so funny when people are like, "She doesn't talk." And she, I'm like, "She doesn't talk?" Like, she definitely talks.

• 36:27Keke Palmer?

  She's not talking to you.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But she's definitely talking.

• 36:30Keke Palmer?

  You forgot the "to you."

• 36:31Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. So she's very vocal and very, also very smart.

• 36:37Keke Palmer?

  Yeah. But you could tell that, you know, obviously, I don't know LeBron that well. But anytime that somebody is, like, it takes a family to create that outcome.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:49Keke Palmer?

  For his success.

• 36:51Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:51Keke Palmer?

  I know, because people see Keke Palmer. But it's Larry, Sharon, L'Oreal, Lorenzia, Lawrence that made Keke Palmer. So it's obvious that we may not see everything, right? But LeBron sees, people that are in your life see. They know why and how this even happened. And it's not, it's because of you. You know what I mean? So it's one of those things where it's interesting, I think, if I can speak to it, like, from the outside. Very exciting to be like, "Yes, because we need to know, like, how did she do this? How did you do this?" It's been a very exciting thing to see that part of you open up. Because we know, especially us women, we know, we're like, "Now, that's the key." It's almost like how people feel about Michelle with Barack.

• 37:36Keke Palmer?

  It's like, "Now, she the one I need to talk to." You know what I'm saying? Because we know what it takes. It takes a really strong foundation for anything of what we see on the outside to happen. You know what I'm saying? So it's, it's very exciting and it's dope that you've had a collaborator and a friendship in that, to be able to, both you guys, use your strengths to bring that to the public. Because we need it.

• 37:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I don't think we meant to bring it to the public, but we're here.

• 38:03Keke Palmer?

  But wait a minute, let's get into that. What was the accidental that got y'all to be like, "I guess we should do..."

• 38:08Speaker 01

  Because we're pretty private.

• 38:09Keke Palmer?

  Right.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  Like, so, and we like it.

• 38:11Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 38:12Speaker 01

  We like it here. Like, we be outside, but not outside.

• 38:16Keke Palmer?

  You know what I mean? It's giving very pulled up.

• 38:19Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 38:20Keke Palmer?

  I'm here for the pulled up of it all.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  It's giving, "Let's take the veil off." So I feel like it is very private, but I think, we were asked to do a show.

• 38:29Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 38:29Speaker 01

  And we went and did a filming. And I was like, "This [bleep] is weird." And we did the filming and I was like, "This is so fake." Because they were like, "So, give us your opinion." And we were like, "What?" And then we would give our opinion and our opinion wasn't favorable.

• 38:45Keke Palmer?

  Correct.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:46Keke Palmer?

  Whatever that means.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  Right. Because people believe you should maybe have a certain type of opinion.

• 38:51Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  So we were like, "That was not fun." So like, what should we do? And we were like, "Let's talk to some people." She's like, "You remember back in the day, we used to call the radio show? And like, people would answer." I'm like, "Oh, yeah, how could we do it?" She's like, "All right, I'mma post on my Instagram a cellphone number." I was like, "All right, I'mma go to the gas station and get a burner phone." So I went and got a burner phone from the gas station. We posted the phone number on Instagram. And people was, the phone was blowing up.

• 39:19Keke Palmer?

  I love the coat of it all.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  We were like, "Hello, hello." We were just so disheveled.

• 39:25Keke Palmer?

  And that's how your podcast, Everybody's Crazy, was created.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:30Keke Palmer?

  Okay, so people are calling in, they're sending letters, voice notes, and they're telling you all the crazy situations of their lives, which is like, insane. What do you think that it is that makes people want to, why they should be sharing their stories at this time? You know, and why they want to, right? Because it's like, it's a big vulnerability that we don't often see.

• 39:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think it's lack of community and just having the, the space and area to be able to vent about whatever is going on in your life. And I am appreciative that we have people to call us and to talk about whatever it is on their mind, from the, you know, something that's really serious to something that's super light. Like, I feel like to be able to give our perspective on it is really cool. Especially for people who don't necessarily have that outlet. And I think that's what a lot of it is. It's just no open space to talk freely and not be judged and feel like they could just be themselves.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  I think is the other thing of people calling in and just like, whatever your truth is. And I'm often, always surprised. I'm like, "What?" Savannah's like, "Boy."

• 40:31Keke Palmer?

  Put it together.

• 40:33Keke Palmer?

  Put it together.

• 40:34Speaker 01

  But I feel like there is, everyone goes through something in your day that you just think that was so crazy.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  A few times.

• 40:43Speaker 01

  All of us, and no one is really talking about that. Like the challenges of it all, or the challenges of being a mom that travels, or challenges of living in three different states, basically at this point. Or whatever your reality is, just knowing that no one has it like tacked down.

• 41:02Keke Palmer?

  Yeah. What have you learned from people that they're willing to tell essentially strangers that they maybe even wouldn't tell people that are closest to them?

• 41:10Speaker 02

  We all have something in common, whether it's from a marriage perspective, whether it's from a dating perspective, a friendship perspective. Like, we all going through pretty much the same thing.

• 41:19Keke Palmer?

  The human experience.

• 41:20Speaker 01

  The human experience.

• 41:21Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, I love that. There's something that's so true about the specificity that becomes universally known. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, the specificity of your situation actually makes somebody see themselves in your situation more. Because then they can, they're like, oh, that's, that's like me with this, except it's this way. You know what I'm saying? It's very interesting how that happens. I mean, people call into y'all for some crazy things. I mean, they talk about threesomes. And honestly, I use crazy lightly, because I mean, maybe threesomes is normal to you, a normal Friday. Friendship, breakups. What confessions, like, do y'all still be like, that was crazy when they came and told us?

• 41:58Speaker 01

  It's funny, because I'm dyslexic, so, um, yeah, interesting fact. But girl, don't ask me to write you an email, because you'll be like, huh?

• 42:08Speaker 01

  So, one lady called in trying to talk about monogamy.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  And she said mahogany.

• 42:17Keke Palmer?

  Come on, she wanna see Diana Ross.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  So I was like, what? And she's like, mahogany. And this is where Savannah's so great, and probably because she's my friend. Because I'm dyslexic and I be saying like that. And she was like, um, are you trying to say, uh, monogamy? And the lady's like, yeah, that word, that word. We were laughing so hard, because it was just like, she could relate. I was totally lost in the conversation. I'm like, what is this lady trying to say? Yeah, and Savannah got it right away. And I was like, see, being my friend got you to translate. But just like the uniqueness of like, how people think, words that they're not even familiar with.

• 42:55Keke Palmer?

  Sure, sure.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  And that's the reality, like, that's may not, that may not be something she's using on an everyday basis.

• 43:01Keke Palmer?

  Exactly, exactly.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  Just being able to relate and conversate, and people just had a hoot about that. Like, they thought it was so.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  And we had to help each other. You say mahogany, we say monogamy. Okay, it's fine, whatever, what we talking about?

• 43:15Keke Palmer?

  What kind of themes do you see showing up the most?

• 43:19Speaker 01

  Oh, young girls are stressed.

• 43:22Keke Palmer?

  In which category?

• 43:23Speaker 02

  Not feeling like they doing enough.

• 43:24Keke Palmer?

  About work.

• 43:27Keke Palmer?

  Work and men. Not feeling like they doing enough about work, not feeling like, what more could we be doing for the men? What would they be thinking they're not doing enough there?

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Just like dating, I think finding, people being fearful they're not gonna find their person, their partner, being alone. Like, but I'm talking about young girls.

• 43:43Speaker 02

  Timelines are harsh.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  Under twenty.

• 43:45Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, and, and honestly, I'm sure with you, you kind of have this, um, people have projected such a, a perfect picture thing onto you. And I'm curious with the podcast, have you shared things that you were even surprised that you shared? Or just also seeing the way that people engage with seeing that you are human and not just a symbol?

• 44:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think there have been a few things that have come out that people are like, oh, I can't believe she said that. And people need to take podcast mics away, because they talking too much, but it's real.

• 44:13Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, I'm surprised that they were surprised that you went to the strip club before. It's like, guys, have we all been to the? That's always like me. One girl told me her stripper name was almost Akila. I said, come on, spell it with that ass. I was here for that. You know what I mean? It's like, it's fun. Didn't we all used to be in our bedroom, shaking our booty, trying to see if we could twerk?

• 44:39Keke Palmer?

  Like the twerk tween, y'all remember the twerk tween?

• 44:41Speaker 01

  She's always telling me, move your ankles. I'm like, huh?

• 44:44Keke Palmer?

  It's very hard to move your ankles. They always say that.

• 44:47Speaker 02

  In the ankles, it's in the thighs.

• 44:52Keke Palmer?

  I seen somebody last night doing something, she was like, just doing like this, and her booty, I was so, I was just like, yes, sister. You'd be so happy.

• 45:02Keke Palmer?

  And so it's very, yeah, I imagine it's very interesting, but what makes you say, you know what, I wanna still do it? Because that can make some people, even for me in my experience, being in public eye for years, you can be like, well, you know, well, can't win for losing. What keeps you kind of deciding to engage?

• 45:19Speaker 02

  I think that that's what it is. Like, everybody is not gonna align with everything, and it's okay. That's why we have conversations, that's why we have perspectives. Like, I think that, you know, for me, it was like, I didn't know she talked. Which is like, the craziest thing I ever heard before, but just because I didn't, like, what? But just because I didn't talk in public. To y'all, didn't mean I didn't have a perspective or opinions about things. So I think for me, it was really therapy, because it's like, I do have a voice, I do have something to say. It is something important that I feel like is important to me, but that I would like to share, so.

• 45:57Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, and you have a platform, and you're, you're a symbol to women. You're somebody that, you're, I mean, you guys are iconic as a family and you individually. So it definitely is like something that, when you decide, and as you've decided, that it will benefit people. And there's definitely a lot that they can learn, so, it's dope. Um, for you, April, being in front of the, like, people seeing you also, you're being projected upon too.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  They, they, they, they do not agree. They do not agree. And I also don't care. Like, that's the funny part about me, like, I don't have TikTok. I don't have Twitter. I be in my own world, on my own little thing, asking people, do you want me to write you a letter? While you're over here being like, oh, she said. I'm like, God bless. People will say, like, did you see in the comments? And I'm like, no, I don't read comments.

• 46:46Keke Palmer?

  And also, the funny thing about it is, we got into this thing where it's like, everything is about, like, do you agree or disagree? When it's like, people are just talking, guys. They're just talking in their world. Like, in real life, when I'm in a conversation with somebody, and they say something I don't agree with, I don't say, now, wait a minute. Back up. Because what do you mean you don't like pizza? Like, the attitude, the internet culture is very interesting, because it's like, guys, in everyday life, don't we all know that everybody's not gonna like what we say? Or agree with what we say? That, that, what we then call is like, well, they're not my people. I have my people, and then I have people that aren't my people. You may not be my people, and that's okay. I cannot change who I am and what I believe in to satisfy you. That's not realistic.

• 47:28Speaker 01

  That's the hard part about the internet, and I feel like, even when it goes to our show and young girls calling in the pressure for people to perform a certain type of way, to be a certain type of person, to have a certain type of job, to do all these things. I'm like, girl, you are nineteen. Like, you have a second, take a breath. It is okay. Like, you're not supposed to have a Birkin bag at nineteen. Like, it's, that is not a realistic.

• 47:55Keke Palmer?

  The pressure of that is really, really huge, because to me, it goes deeper to the conversation that we're all trying to have around value. You want to be valued, so you think, I need to get something expensive on my arm, because then people will see that I'm a value. You wanna be seen, so you think, I need to be famous, because that's what being seen is. Well, let me tell you, being famous is the easiest way to be erased. You're not seen with fame. Buying expensive things and putting, that's actually, nobody's gonna perceive you of, of value. Value, you perceiving yourself a value and feeling a valued, is based off of how you feel about yourself. You know what I mean?

• 48:30Speaker 01

  And I also think it's values. Let's start there. How about, let's have some values. Let's be grounded in something real that doesn't require money or validation.

• 48:43Keke Palmer?

  The externalized stuff, you know what I mean? So much of what people are wanting is being, you know, they think it's external, but it's internal. I mean, you get, guys get so many calls about, you know, feeling behind. I know you moved to New York, had Sex and City idea of your life. But it took a minute for those things, for your success to happen. Talk to that, about, you know, what was that experience like for you? And how did you reframe your expectations in order to get what you, what you have now?

• 49:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it really was being in my own lane. I've always been like that. Like, tunnel vision to whatever's for me is gonna be for me, and not worrying about how you get there. Because like, even when I graduated, I graduated with a PR degree and called my mom. Called my mom and told her I was gonna go work at a nightclub. She was like, what? Like, and I was like, I'm gonna do events, a hundred and under, and like, it's the best nightclub in New York City. And my mom was like, you're gonna go to hell, working at that nightclub.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  So she was like, you went to college to do that? And I mean, I learned so much. I worked for those guys for thirteen years. It was one of the best experiences, something that I could never even write, but it wasn't textbook. It wasn't like, by the book, this is how it's gonna go. And I also came up in a time where you didn't see what everybody else was doing. So now, it's like, you see what everyone is doing, and you're expected to be doing more. And I think it goes back to values and what is important to you.

• 50:17Keke Palmer?

  Yes, I'm on my own timetable.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  Yes, and come up with your own timetable, and give yourself some grace, because it's not gonna work out how you plan.

• 50:25Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, it's not. It never does. But if you, if you believe in the alignment of it all, which we've kind of been touching on throughout this conversation, then you're gonna end up where you're supposed to. That's why sometimes we can't be so rigid on what we think is gonna get us what we want, but really following that, that, that inner feeling. What does that look like for you guys? Like, when you think about, like, getting down to the nitty gritty of, of what it is you're feeling, like, is it, uh, prayer? Are you meditating? Are you going on a run or a walk? You know, what, what allows you to say, ooh, I'm not sure about this? This is the answer. What gives you that?

• 50:57Speaker 02

  For me, it's, she gonna hate that I say this, but it's kind of taking space to myself. Like, I gotta disassociate with the world. I gotta close my phone, I gotta be in my comfort zone, be in my home. And just kind of evaluate all of the things that's going on. Maybe turn on some frequencies, maybe do a little bit of a meditation walk, but definitely.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  I have to go internal by myself.

• 51:21Keke Palmer?

  Five thousand watts.

• 51:25Speaker 01

  Yes. What about you, April? Um, I am very blessed to have a gut reaction to everything.

• 51:34Keke Palmer?

  Oh, that's fabulously strong intuition.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  But it also is very hard, cuz I can, in a moment, I'll be like, mm, I can't do that. Like, a few weeks ago, I got in my car, and I was like, I cannot drive this car anymore. And everybody was like, what? I was like, I have to get rid of this car. Everyone was like, you're, like, that's crazy. Like, it's a beautiful car, I can't, I can't drive it.

• 51:57Keke Palmer?

  What, what, what let you know?

• 51:59Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't ask any questions.

• 52:01Keke Palmer?

  I love that.

• 52:02Speaker 01

  The fact that I took that G-Wagon to CarMax.

• 52:06Keke Palmer?

  Such a fabulous car.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  They were like, what? I was like, I have to get rid of this car. And then I ended up going to Mercedes after, but still, like, I was like, okay, I didn't like that price.

• 52:17Keke Palmer?

  I didn't say I didn't like the brand, I didn't like the car.

• 52:20Speaker 01

  So, I like, but I, for me, I don't ask any questions with my intuition.

• 52:25Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  So, it's been very, it's, it's very strong, but it's, it's hard because you have to, you, sometimes you don't know the why.

• 52:34Keke Palmer?

  Yes, but you're following that, that, that's, I always say that's God talking, you know what I mean? When it's, when it's, when I can't track a back, a thought back, right? Like, you know, sometimes I think like, oh, is this for me, or is this from what that movie I watched? Or is this from that, you know, postcard I saw, right? So, if I can't track it back, then I know, oh, that was the source. That was God that just planted it.

• 52:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 52:54Keke Palmer?

  It's not tracked back to nobody, ain't tracked back to no fear, it's tracked back to...

• 52:58Speaker 01

  What I'm hearing.

• 52:59Keke Palmer?

  Exactly.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  And I listen right away, and I, and I'm very reactive, fast. Like, the car was gone in seven days.

• 53:07Keke Palmer?

  Period.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  My kids were like, what happened to the car that says gone?

• 53:11Keke Palmer?

  Now, I don't wanna box you guys in, but this makes me quickly wanna ask a fun thing. You guys seem like girly girls, you do?

• 53:24Keke Palmer?

  There's a specific kind of evening that only happens when the girls haven't seen each other in a few weeks. Life got busy, schedules stopped aligning, somebody was traveling, somebody was in their work era, somebody just needed to be horizontal on their couch for a little while. No judgment. But then, one night, the stars align, and suddenly, everyone's in the same room again. Plates cleared from a Friendsgiving spread that absolutely delivered. Stella Rosa doesn't just do wine, they have a whole spirits line. Stella Rosa Smooth Black Brandy is sweet, smooth, no burn, with a dark berry-blackberry finish. And the Stella Rosa Pistachio Cream Liquor, rich, creamy, with a nutty aroma, and a hint of vanilla.

• 54:08Keke Palmer?

  Blend that into a pistachio espresso martini, and watch the whole table pay attention. Bring them to Thanksgiving dinner, and let the after-dinner cocktails do the talking. Baby, this is Stella Rosa, please, drink responsibly.

• 54:24Keke Palmer?

  Hey, y'all, we are going to Bermuda, me, Leo, the whole family, and we are outta here. And look, I am packing right now, okay? Because if I don't, I already know how the story goes. I'm gonna be throwing random stuff into a suitcase at midnight like a woman who hasn't learned her lesson. And honey, I have learned. As for activities, we're doing a glass-bottom boat tour because Leo is going to lose his absolute mind. Horseback riding on the beach, which, let's be real, I'm either gonna love or be utterly terrified. And then, one full day of doing absolutely nothing at the house. And listen, that's why I love the spot we booked on Airbnb. It's got enough space for all of us to just be.

• 55:07Keke Palmer?

  A big kitchen so my dad can get his cook on, a yard for Leo to run wild, and enough room so we can all hang out without being all up on top of each other. That's the real key to a family vacation, right there. So, listen to me, go find a home on Airbnb for your next family trip. Give everybody the space to be together and actually enjoy the destination.

• 55:30Keke Palmer?

  I'm gonna be honest with you, I have already started my holiday shopping. I know, I know, but hear me out. I was on Amazon the other day looking for toys for Leo, and then I saw the cutest little advent calendar. And then somehow, a whole decor situation ended up in my cart. And now my living room is given holiday-ready in October, and I'm not even a little bit sorry about it. Here's the thing, the people who shop early are the people who are relaxed in December. That's just math. And right now, Amazon has low prices on everything, from cozy fashion to fitness gear to electronics, to all the little hosting essentials that make your place feel like the holidays actually live there. So, whether you're the person who starts shopping the second the temperature drops,

• 56:14Keke Palmer?

  or the person who wishes they were the person that did that, this is your sign. Get a head start on holiday gifting with Amazon's low prices. Shop now at amazon.com/holiday.

• 56:32Keke Palmer?

  What is the girliest thing about you that you would say?

• 56:35Speaker 01

  Oh, I love matching bra and panties.

• 56:38Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, they're so cute! I love it!

• 56:42Speaker 01

  I love it, love.

• 56:43Keke Palmer?

  That is adorable, but really hard to keep up with, mama.

• 56:47Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 56:48Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, that's so hard for me. My [BLEEP] all over the place.

• 56:52Speaker 01

  Oh, my god, you're dropping me out, don't tell me, don't tell me.

• 56:55Keke Palmer?

  I'm going to an award show on the bottom.

• 56:57Speaker 01

  Oh, my god, no.

• 56:58Keke Palmer?

  I got so many nudes. Black nudes, girl.

• 57:01Speaker 01

  I don't, why is it like that?

• 57:03Keke Palmer?

  I love, I love. So, where do you get them from? Tell us, is it La Perla?

• 57:06Speaker 01

  All over, all over, it doesn't always have to be quality. Because I like cutesy sometimes, you can get that at Target.

• 57:13Keke Palmer?

  Yes, yes. Or I don't know if we're still boycotting, but you know what I mean? I know, they know, don't get her, don't get her, please, no.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  Don't get me. But I feel like all over, whatever's just cute, I love cute, matching bra and underwear.

• 57:25Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, that's very girly, very cute.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  Very girly.

• 57:28Keke Palmer?

  What about you? Look at her eyes!

• 57:33Speaker 01

  Um, girly, I am a girl and a girl's girl, but girly?

• 57:38Keke Palmer?

  I feel like I know one thing, one thing to me about, I don't know you that well, but there's one thing that I feel like makes you really girly.

• 57:44Speaker 01

  Me?

• 57:45Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 57:45Speaker 01

  Tell her.

• 57:47Keke Palmer?

  I feel like your hair is always laid. I feel like I've never seen your hair not laid and your skin not clear.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  So, that's what I was gonna say, I was gonna say self-care. But self-care is not just a, you know, like a girly thing, but for me, I like, you know, my self-care.

• 58:03Keke Palmer?

  And that's why I say I didn't wanna completely box, cuz it's like, you know, non-gender conforming, like, I'm for all that.

• 58:07Speaker 01

  I didn't wanna do that, but...

• 58:08Keke Palmer?

  But, you know, you know what I'm saying? That's what I said at the beginning, I was like, I ain't trying to, you know what I mean? But, you know.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  It's definitely my self-care.

• 58:15Keke Palmer?

  It's gonna be a girl's world, you know what I'm saying? The girliest thing about me, it would be this.

• 58:22Speaker 01

  Kiki, a banter.

• 58:24Keke Palmer?

  Mama Kiki!

• 58:26Keke Palmer?

  What's the theme of the night, guys? We're doing a summer party, it's a witch thing. We're doing it, now we're in Michael's thing. Like, I love hosting and curating a vibe for the girl.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 58:38Keke Palmer?

  It's so much fun.

• 58:40Speaker 01

  We're coming.

• 58:40Keke Palmer?

  Girl, I'm just giving Michael a sewer, whoopee go, welcome to the view. We are having a girl's party, so, yeah, that I think is very girly about me. But it's so funny with all the labels and stuff, because, you know, also, it's like I got a suit on. You know what I mean? I can be very much like, what's good?

• 58:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 58:55Keke Palmer?

  You know what I mean? We have so many different ways that we show up. And I know that you guys just did, you know, you flipped your format for the guys edition. Where you had, um, last year, you had LeBron on, you had Kaisa Knotts, Taco. So, what did that conversation feel like when it comes to what we're talking about, right? With the whole guy way of seeing things and girl's way of seeing things? What lined up and what was like?

• 59:17Speaker 01

  I loved that episode, and we need another. We just were talking about it not too long ago, but I feel like it's so necessary to hear from the men.

• 59:27Keke Palmer?

  It is. Nobody wants to hear, but it's just good for us to just talk and have dialogue.

• 59:31Speaker 02

  Yes, that's what I was gonna say, the perspective, the conversation, the different ways of, you know, thinking about the same thing, it's interesting.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  And we curated it so we had different ages in the room.

• 59:41Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  Because that was so important to us, like, because I feel like people in their twenties feel a certain, and we talked a lot about dating.

• 59:49Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  And how people, wife people up, and how does it work, and all the things. So, I really feel like that perspective is needed more in an open dialogue.

• 59:58Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 59:59Speaker 01

  That people would love to see, because how guys operate, we are sometimes so confused.

• 1:00:06Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  And I feel like they just...

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  Living in their own world, as are we.

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  They just doing they thing, and they gonna, like Jay-Z said, they gonna get right back, like...

• 1:00:18Keke Palmer?

  They get right back, it's crazy, and I'ma get right back too. See you on the flip side, dude.

• 1:00:26Keke Palmer?

  Cuz I wanna play as well.

• 1:00:29Keke Palmer?

  Okay? You know, I've gotta ask you guys, I don't know if y'all saw the Lucky Day thing, and hopefully this doesn't come out like ages ago, you know, time.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  I did it.

• 1:00:37Keke Palmer?

  And I'll just break it down like this, cuz I, I wanna, I always try to like, pull out the, the, the conversation from the person, cuz I hate, you know, making somebody feel dragged or beat up on. But the conversation went about, like, simping, and he was just talking about how simping is, is in too much in R&B music or whatever. But I wanna ask you guys, what do you think about the terms for guys, where it's like, they're simping, and the terms for girls, where they're like, oh, she's pick me? So, they're two opposite of the same spectrum, they're saying when guys are, you know, do you feel like you see that in culture? Or do you have a thought about that in culture? You may or may not.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  I just feel like...

• 1:01:12Speaker 02

  When it comes to simping, no, like, I want my man to be a simp about me. Please, about me.

• 1:01:18Keke Palmer?

  And I think you were gonna ask what I saw in the comments, which is some people were saying, simping actually is when a guy is showing love to a girl that's disrespectful to him. That's what the original definition they were saying simping was.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  I'm not sure, I felt like it was...

• 1:01:31Keke Palmer?

  When actually, they've now changed simping to be what she's describing, which is now, being nice to a woman is simping. Just wanting her to be happy. Doing [BLEEP] to make her smile.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  That is actually crazy.

• 1:01:45Keke Palmer?

  Is now considered simpic.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  But I would also, I guess simp on you, I guess I'm simping.

• 1:01:50Keke Palmer?

  So, then now, now you're getting to the pick me of it all. Because simply liking a man, she really wants him. Just saying, I get where you're coming from, wow, she's nail-centered.

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:02:04Keke Palmer?

  Saying you're like, saying you're a boy mom, whoa, get off his nuts! It's going crazy, y'all.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  Thank god I don't read the comments, cuz I would be stressed.

• 1:02:17Keke Palmer?

  Be nice to the opposite sex, you're either a simp, or pick me. That's where we're at with the gender wars, it's almost like...

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  Well, I guess I'm a simp.

• 1:02:28Speaker 01

  I'mma love you.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  I think it's crazy.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  If you my man, I am going to love you.

• 1:02:32Keke Palmer?

  I think it's crazy. I think it's crazy.

• 1:02:35Speaker 01

  If we're in a relationship, we should simp on each other.

• 1:02:39Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  We simpin'.

• 1:02:41Speaker 02

  Over here.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  And we pimpin'.

• 1:02:44Keke Palmer?

  I love the simpin' and pimpin' together.

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:02:47Keke Palmer?

  Come on, we're together. Because that feels very like universal.

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:02:51Keke Palmer?

  It's like I've got many that I'm wit that I'm simpin' with.

• 1:02:53Speaker 01

  That's right. Me and my man, we doing watches, we doing it all. What we doing?

• 1:02:58Keke Palmer?

  I'm here for, yeah. So this is, this is the interesting thing with the gen, is that we're in such a place with, we're warring everywhere. In general, everything is so black and white.

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  What is, just get, I just gotta understand, pick me though. Well, I mean, I think it's because.

• 1:03:10Keke Palmer?

  It means that you like a man, basically.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Right, but people have so many options.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  At least the men do.

• 1:03:16Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  They have a lot of options. So I feel like if you have time, now I'm probably gonna get eaten up, but if you have time, sometimes you can make yourself more available than ones that don't.

• 1:03:30Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, I think that, look, we just got into a place where everything is labeled. You know, if you're a guy and you really want love, that doesn't mean that you're a simp. If you're willing to give a girl a chance, and you're willing, and you like women, and you believe in women, that shouldn't mean that you don't identify with the things that matter to you as a man. And I think it's the same thing with women. Women are experiencing that. That's why nobody, that's why we are probably, a lot of people are not being honest online for fear of being called these names. So it perpetuates this idea.

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:04:00Keke Palmer?

  But when in reality.

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  People are fearful to get their heart breaking.

• 1:04:03Keke Palmer?

  When in reality, people are at home like this, tell me what you need, what you need, anything you got.

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm, yes.

• 1:04:06Keke Palmer?

  But then online, they're like, I ain't never gonna be, you know what I'm saying? So I think it's just like about perception. People don't want to be perceived to be weak and, but you know, it's like,

• 1:04:18Keke Palmer?

  you know, you're gonna be vulnerable at some point.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  You have to.

• 1:04:21Keke Palmer?

  You know, and by the way.

• 1:04:22Speaker 01

  That is what love is.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  Ultimate.

• 1:04:23Keke Palmer?

  And that's when we get into the love and basketball of it all, right? We get into the conversation around these real old, classic romantic films that people now are really upset with because they, and look, I don't know, because I've never had a long relationship, you know, or, or quote unquote, successful one marriage, so I don't know, right? But people that I know that have been married, they don't tell me their business, but they say it's not, it's not always great.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:04:48Keke Palmer?

  We both have flaws. We have up and downs.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:04:51Keke Palmer?

  But love is a choice. And I think that, that choice thing, like, we're living in a time now where people feel like, um, every flaw means you're toxic. That there's no opportunity for growth and change. And I think not only is it affecting our romantic relationships, but it's affecting like our ability to connect, which, that brings us back to Everybody's Crazy. You know what I mean? Like where it's like, people aren't feeling safe enough to say, maybe I'm [BLEEP] up without it feeling like it's, they're now gonna be thrown away forever.

• 1:05:21Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:05:22Keke Palmer?

  So it's, it's weird, but that's why I love having these conversations, because it's like, guys, we've gotta get somewhere with each other.

• 1:05:30Speaker 02

  Break through some.

• 1:05:30Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, [BLEEP], we gotta break through something, because I wanna like y'all. You know what I mean? I don't wanna just throw everybody away.

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  And I feel like love is, we all deserve it. And I feel like it is, if you really want love, you have to show up vulnerable, and you have to be willing to fall. Like, love, you have to fall. So if you are talking about you want a wife, and you're never willing to fall for somebody, and you put everybody on these judgment pedestal, then it's like, what are we even talking about?

• 1:06:02Keke Palmer?

  Yes, I completely agree. You know, like, I'm single, I don't know how much that, my, what I'm saying matters, but I'm happy and single.

• 1:06:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:10Keke Palmer?

  You know what I'm saying? I'm, I'm being true to myself.

• 1:06:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:06:13Keke Palmer?

  So, you know, at least that's something. Um, okay, so congratulations on eight seasons of Everybody's Crazy.

• 1:06:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:20Keke Palmer?

  And you guys are literally debuting a new studio and plan to do 50 episodes?

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:28Keke Palmer?

  Yet again, I mean, I can invite myself, but y'all can invite me right now.

• 1:06:31Speaker 01

  We wanted you.

• 1:06:33Keke Palmer?

  Yay!

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  Yes!

• 1:06:34Keke Palmer?

  I can't believe that y'all asked me to come on with y'all. That is so crazy, because I would love to.

• 1:06:42Speaker 01

  We want you so bad.

• 1:06:43Keke Palmer?

  Because I would literally, you know what it reminds me of?

• 1:06:45Speaker 01

  We're simpin'.

• 1:06:46Keke Palmer?

  We're simpin', yes, we're simpin'. You know what it reminds me of? Um, y'all remember back in the day when Steve Harvey used to do Strawberry Letter?

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:06:55Keke Palmer?

  I went way too back. I might as well just mention Tom Joyner.

• 1:07:00Keke Palmer?

  Literally, he used to do, it's similar conceptually, but I love, I just love hearing us taking calls and seeing what the people are talking about. So that's very fun. I would love to, I would love to come up there.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  You would love to have it. You gotta bring your best friend.

• 1:07:12Keke Palmer?

  Yes, I do.

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  And it does not have to be somebody that is famous, just your real homie.

• 1:07:18Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, right.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  So tell her to come on, it's time to kiki.

• 1:07:22Keke Palmer?

  Come on now, I'll be calling you. Um, okay, so much of what you guys do is create safe spaces for women.

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:30Keke Palmer?

  You know, specifically women, safe spaces in general, but to be honest and to show up as themselves. Um, but sometimes we can have a hard time admitting things. What does it do, do to create that safe space?

• 1:07:44Speaker 01

  I feel like, you know, with Let It Break and even with Everybody's Crazy, I feel like we have tried.

• 1:07:52Keke Palmer?

  And Let It Break is your membership?

• 1:07:53Speaker 01

  Our membership for, community for women. We have it in New York and LA. And it really has been about just show up as yourself, not what you do, but who you are.

• 1:08:03Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  And I think as we mature as women, you learn a lot about yourself, and there's things that you also want to change, which is okay.

• 1:08:13Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  But sometimes, being in that change, you're either a core group of friends or your family, sometimes people can't relate. They're like, why do you want to change? Everything's fine. And you're like, I want to evolve, I want to grow, I want to figure out what makes me whole. So I feel like we show up as our authentic self. Um, and I think that allows people to see a side of ourselves, that then they are like, oh, well, we can actually really show up like this, and it doesn't feel like a judgment zone.

• 1:08:42Keke Palmer?

  Yes, and the membership is, is a significant amount. It's like $3,000 investment. How did y'all come to that? And what is the, you know, what, what comes with that membership?

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:52Keke Palmer?

  What is the package that they're, they're investing in?

• 1:08:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, we have a certain amount of programming that we find mandatory that you have to do monthly. Um, we have community events that we do, pottery classes, flower arrangement classes, spa days, sound baths, like all of those things are also included. Um, and then we also have a resource hub, which is like, you know, sometimes you don't know where to start. Or you don't, you want a therapist, but you know you want to talk to your friends or people, and they'll be gatekeeping a therapist. We are not gatekeepers. So we put everything in a hub for everything. Whether you want a therapist, whether you need doctors, whether you need estheticians, like all of the things to give you everything that we know.

• 1:09:32Keke Palmer?

  Yes. I can speak to that with you for sure, because I don't know if you remember when I DM'd you a few years back, and I said, I know you know the best lymphatic drainage person.

• 1:09:39Speaker 01

  Got you.

• 1:09:40Keke Palmer?

  I know you know the best wellness people that the world could find.

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:09:45Keke Palmer?

  Hooked me up, and you immediately sent me the entire list.

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:48Keke Palmer?

  I never forgot that. And we, we didn't hang out one day. I just said, hey Savannah, I know you know.

• 1:09:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:53Keke Palmer?

  And you was like, I got you. So I love that. So it comes with a lot, you know what I mean?

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  It comes with a lot, but it also is, what we talk about is like, you're wanting to do the work. And I think what we wanted was, we've both done our own kind of healing journey on different things. And it is very challenging, and we wanted to build something that's, that these women can have a cheat code. Like, they could get there quicker and faster. So the curriculum, we have amazing facilitators, we have amazing teachers a part of it. Um, we have authors come in and talk about their books and what they're doing. I think we're constantly trying to allow people to get there quicker and faster than we were in like searching in the dark.

• 1:10:36Keke Palmer?

  Yes, well, Practice by Palmer and Let It Break, we gotta collab together on that too.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  What is that?

• 1:10:40Keke Palmer?

  No, no, no. That's my membership community.

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:10:44Keke Palmer?

  Now, we're a little bit.

• 1:10:45Speaker 01

  What are we doing?

• 1:10:45Keke Palmer?

  We, we, we, we not 3,000.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  It's okay.

• 1:10:48Keke Palmer?

  You know what I mean? But it's all about, it centers around Pilates. That was like the foundation, right, of my practice. But it's really about community. So we also do events, we also do lives, you know, I do lives with the community. Sometimes we do, uh, do like live series.

• 1:11:02Speaker 02

  I have to say, I'm very impressed that you are like certified Pilates. That is.

• 1:11:06Keke Palmer?

  Are you?

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  Yes, thank you so much.

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  Congratulations. Yes, that's amazing.

• 1:11:10Keke Palmer?

  So I feel like there's so much that we could do together.

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

  Yes, 100%. I would love that.

• 1:11:14Keke Palmer?

  Yes, and now, I want to also ask this, how did y'all put that together, right? Because, because I have a community myself, I know how difficult that is. And so when I'm hearing the different things that you, you guys have put, like, was it like a year in advance? You had it all before you presented it to the world? Two years, I want, yeah, how long it took?

• 1:11:31Speaker 01

  We raised money, um, two years.

• 1:11:34Keke Palmer?

  Wow.

• 1:11:35Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  And we started with testers.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  Yes, we did our tester dinners. Like, we did like 10 tester dinners. But also, I personally love to build. I don't like to run.

• 1:11:46Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  So like, I like to build things.

• 1:11:49Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  Savannah's like a creative, so we come up, we're like, we have an idea. I'm like, alright, I know, we can execute this. Yes, so we raised money, we did two years in the making, we did.

• 1:11:59Keke Palmer?

  Were you scared about the raising money? I ask that on the business front, because sometimes it can be, you know, there's what they say is good debt and, and scary debt. And so just for the business women that are, that are listening, right? Like, when you think about like, you know, getting, you know, doing that whole VC thing or whatever it is.

• 1:12:16Keke Palmer?

  How do you know it's right for you and your business? Most of my businesses, I invest all my cash upfront because I've always been a little bit apprehensive of

• 1:12:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:12:24Keke Palmer?

  Find somebody to give me this money.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:12:26Keke Palmer?

  What am I gonna have to do?

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  There are great partners out there. I feel like we are very lucky to be partner with Marcy Penn.

• 1:12:34Keke Palmer?

  Shout outs to them.

• 1:12:35Speaker 01

  They are black owned. Dorita and Robbie were our original investors in Let It Break and then Crown and Conquer and just really somebody that looks like us, that can relate. And then also me and Savannah have been very open on learning. We don't know that space. So having somebody that's willing to teach, willing to show us, willing to make sure we feel comfortable. And I think we really got comfortable with being uncomfortable and asking for money.

• 1:13:08Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:09Speaker 01

  And really figuring, and we deserve, we deserve it though.

• 1:13:12Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:12Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:13:13Keke Palmer?

  And it allows you to scale a little bit quicker.

• 1:13:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:15Keke Palmer?

  Way quicker. You get what I mean? So it's definitely something to it, but it's it's a real business conversation.

• 1:13:21Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:13:21Keke Palmer?

  So that's very, it's definitely, there's a lot there, but it's very cool.

• 1:13:25Speaker 01

  And I think also the responsibility.

• 1:13:27Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 1:13:27Speaker 01

  I think some people forget about the responsibility when you raise and just like the responsibility you must have as a founder, the financial and the fiscal education you need to have to know how to run a business, when to stop, when to pivot, when to change, if it's not working.

• 1:13:44Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 1:13:44Speaker 01

  Like, and not just go down the same road. So I think it is challenging and scary, but I think it also goes back to personally my gut intuition of being like, this is not working, we need to change something. And that's having those hard conversations.

• 1:13:59Keke Palmer?

  And your experience, obviously, with your own creative agency, Crown and Conquer. I mean, you're developing campaigns for brands like Coca-Cola, Adidas or Adidas.

• 1:14:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:14:08Keke Palmer?

  No way to say it. Um, you know, but you've also talked about, which I think is interesting in this business, not being pigeonholed as a black, female owned company.

• 1:14:17Speaker 01

  So hard.

• 1:14:17Keke Palmer?

  What does that mean for you? And I, for me, a lot of times, there's not a lot of information or data on our community. And they use that to kind of often give us less or to validate why we're not as of the same value. How do you work against that as a businesswoman? Especially when it comes like to selling brands to our community, but then trying to shortchange our value in these ways?

• 1:14:43Speaker 01

  I think a lot of it does go back to healing and knowing your worth and knowing you're enough. And knowing when you walk into a room that um, you deserve to be there and really owning that. I think there is a lot of falseness around people feeling that way and not really living that way.

• 1:15:04Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:05Speaker 01

  And the reality of it is we are often in a space where we aren't. It isn't a lot of us.

• 1:15:12Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  I mean, you even talk about private schools in LA. There's not a lot of us, not a lot of us. So people are like, oh, it's not diverse enough. I'm like, not a lot of people can afford to be in this space, let alone

• 1:15:25Keke Palmer?

  It's very real.

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  be the majority there. So I just think it is a very real conversation. And I think, again, with social media, it makes you look at things. And then the reality of it is you don't realize 0.01% of black women are running a business over $10 million.

• 1:15:44Keke Palmer?

  Ooh.

• 1:15:45Speaker 01

  Like, that's rare. So I think

• 1:15:48Keke Palmer?

  Which means the information around it is scarce.

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  Exactly. Big time. And I mean, even when you think about podcast space, like, you know, it was so much controversy around black women in podcasts being on some of these lists and not existing and us not doing the numbers yet. Like, we're gonna get there, we'll be there at one point or another.

• 1:16:09Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  Like, it doesn't, you don't have to automatically be on the top whatever list.

• 1:16:13Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  But it is, it does take us more time. And it is a bit more challenging. And that is also okay. That doesn't mean you can, you have to give up.

• 1:16:21Keke Palmer?

  Yeah. And just because you keep moving doesn't mean you're not aware.

• 1:16:24Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:16:25Keke Palmer?

  Toni Morrison said the greatest function of racism is to distract you. So I can know that's going on, I can know what I'm systemically up against, but I can also continue to move forward and continue to pioneer, to break down barriers and to make it easier for the next people, just like we're talking about Let It Break or Practice by Palmer. That's, that's what those spaces are for. That's what I learned, sisters.

• 1:16:44Speaker 01

  Yes, here you go.

• 1:16:45Keke Palmer?

  Let's get to it.

• 1:16:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:16:46Keke Palmer?

  And even before Let It Break, you with the LeBron James Foundation were already doing a lot of work, Savannah with Mothers and Families in Akron. I want to know from you why that's so important, right? You, when you became a mother, I mean, when you got into being in the public eye, you were a teenager. There was a lot of stuff happening with y'all with culture and just becoming, like I said, symbols.

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:07Keke Palmer?

  Why was it so important to you to start focusing in that way?

• 1:17:11Speaker 02

  I think it's just knowing where you're from and knowing the opportunities that you don't necessarily get and just wanting to put, I think, so Akron is a place where you can get swallowed. You can get swallowed and there's like what you don't know, you don't know because there's no one else around you who's like sharing any type of information. So what we wanted to do was just make sure that at the very baseline, you know that it is so much more than just this space. And knowing, you know, family, friends that are in this city who need the help, have it. So they get that boost up to be able to even start to think differently and outside of Akron.

• 1:17:53Keke Palmer?

  I love what you said about the knowing where you come from. Um, what do you think is a difficult part for both of you? When it comes to success, holding on to where you're coming from? What does that look like to you? And how do you make sure that that remains a central part of what you do? Because I think it is very easy for, I've seen it happen. You know, it's big for me and my family, right? But I see it, it can be a thing because you, people are fighting so hard to get to the other side that they sometimes don't really appreciate where they came from and the positive things that were there that led them to where they were. So how does that show up for you and guys in your life?

• 1:18:28Speaker 02

  I think it's just always just having that understanding. I don't feel, like, I could never get to a point where I feel like I am not Savannah Brinson from Akron, Ohio. Like, I, that just, that sounds crazy to me. So I think at the very least, what I can do is pour into the community that I'm from to, again, just plant a seed. Like, it's possible, y'all could do it. I did it. I'm from where y'all, I walked these hallways, these streets. I went to these corner stores, like, all of the things, like, just planting a seed that is possible.

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think it's so important. And I think for me, I feel like we, although we're in the world, we're not of it. So I feel like we live a pretty simple life, like, you know, even when I posted about the Pen Pal thing, people were like, what? Like, you know, and I, and I still go and get cards at CVS and I still use my coupons.

• 1:19:22Keke Palmer?

  Okay. I can't be whimsy?

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:19:25Keke Palmer?

  Can't be whimsy on you all?

• 1:19:26Speaker 01

  I love a coupon at CVS. But I feel like there is a way to like keep the simplicity of life present.

• 1:19:33Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, yes.

• 1:19:34Speaker 01

  You can get eaten up by so much. It is the quality time. Like, when you really ask yourself what is happiness? And people write it down, it's normally like eating with friends or having a Snicker bar or

• 1:19:47Keke Palmer?

  I love a picnic.

• 1:19:48Speaker 01

  Savannah loves a picnic. Or a charcuterie board.

• 1:19:51Keke Palmer?

  Love a charcuterie board.

• 1:19:51Speaker 01

  Like, all these things, it's so simple. It's not like, oh, going on this $5 million trip to Europe. It's not that. So I just think, remember that simple doesn't mean less than.

• 1:20:04Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  Like, simple can mean

• 1:20:06Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 1:20:06Speaker 01

  so wholesome and so full of love. And like, you could be doing the most simplest things and have the best time.

• 1:20:15Keke Palmer?

  This actually goes back to what we started this conversation with, with you when you were talking about gifts and how it's not about how big it is. It's about the sentiment behind it.

• 1:20:24Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:20:25Keke Palmer?

  What the values are.

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  I love that. Come on, circular.

• 1:20:29Keke Palmer?

  Okay. I've got a game for us to play. Now, you guys, you two do friendship audits.

• 1:20:34Speaker 01

  Do you have prizes?

• 1:20:35Keke Palmer?

  No, the prizes are mine. You guys are the friendship audits on Everybody's Crazy.

• 1:20:41Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:20:41Keke Palmer?

  And Savannah, I heard you say that y'all need paddles, so I basically

• 1:20:45Speaker 01

  Oh, my God!

• 1:20:46Keke Palmer?

  Let me give our girls some paddles. Okay, so I'm gonna hand, this is the one for you. One for you, then one for me. And then I got another one for you and another one for you. And then one for me. Okay, so basically

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  Just so you know, these are getting recycled.

• 1:21:00Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 1:21:01Keke Palmer?

  They're done.

• 1:21:02Speaker 02

  These will be on Everybody's Crazy.

• 1:21:04Keke Palmer?

  Yes, yes. Time mine though. Please.

• 1:21:06Speaker 02

  Keke Palmer, you need this.

• 1:21:08Keke Palmer?

  Come on, merch. Oh, my gosh, guys, we'll be selling these in the, baby, this is Keke Palmer's podcast store. You can play it on. Okay, so we are going to, I'm gonna go a little further with the friendship audit and we're gonna play Audit That, okay? We're talking friendship, family, relationships, marriage, even sex.

• 1:21:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:21:26Keke Palmer?

  I'm gonna give you a situation and you each have to decide what we're gonna do about it, right? So looking at, excuse me, locking your answers and let's see where you agree and where we have some problems, okay? So just a reminder, free it is like, we gotta let the relationship go. Fix it, have the conversation. And then faded is create some distance. Face it is you are the problem.

• 1:21:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:21:50Keke Palmer?

  Okay. First one up. You tell your friend something personal and a week later, another friend casually references it. Your friend swears she only told one person because she needed advice. Audit that. Are we fixing it? Fading it? Freeing it? Or facing it?

• 1:22:16Keke Palmer?

  So I'm actually fixing it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do it head on.

• 1:22:21Speaker 01

  Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, what's face it?

• 1:22:23Keke Palmer?

  Face it is, you are the problem.

• 1:22:26Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no, no. I want fix it. I want this.

• 1:22:29Keke Palmer?

  You want fix it too.

• 1:22:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wanna fix it.

• 1:22:30Keke Palmer?

  And you got, you got faded. Okay, so.

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  You dumped her?

• 1:22:33Keke Palmer?

  Right. Faded is creating some.

• 1:22:35Speaker 01

  This is my business. I told you.

• 1:22:37Keke Palmer?

  Woo.

• 1:22:38Speaker 02

  But wait, but what if y'all's friends were locked down?

• 1:22:40Keke Palmer?

  That's what I think. So look, so look, I have, I have like, maybe like a hot take.

• 1:22:44Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:22:45Keke Palmer?

  Okay, go ahead. My hot take is I feel like everybody's a little bit messy. Not, not like that.

• 1:22:50Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 1:22:50Keke Palmer?

  But I feel like everybody gossips.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:22:52Keke Palmer?

  I feel like human beings gossip. Um, everybody I feel like is a little bit, like they, they share a little bit of information. Even if they tell their mama or their husband, sometimes information gets out.

• 1:23:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:23:03Keke Palmer?

  I kinda wanna see the intention behind it. So whenever I feel that somebody has said something, I'm like, so what was it? I kinda like, I know you already told so and so. Because I wanna know why you did it.

• 1:23:14Speaker 01

  I ain't talking about it.

• 1:23:15Keke Palmer?

  Okay, okay. She's dead serious. I can tell.

• 1:23:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:23:19Keke Palmer?

  I was like, whoa. Um, what about you? What are your feelings on the fixing of it all?

• 1:23:23Speaker 01

  I don't know. I just can't.

• 1:23:25Speaker 02

  I always wanna combo.

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  So, yeah, I do wanna combo.

• 1:23:27Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  But I love you.

• 1:23:29Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:29Speaker 01

  Why did you do that?

• 1:23:31Keke Palmer?

  I'm the same way.

• 1:23:32Speaker 01

  See, this is why I can't watch TV. Cause I just feel like.

• 1:23:35Keke Palmer?

  I'm that way too.

• 1:23:37Speaker 01

  Normally, I only have a handful of friends. So if you really said something, I'm gonna come, I gotta talk about it.

• 1:23:43Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:43Speaker 01

  There's just no way.

• 1:23:45Keke Palmer?

  Especially if they're concerned. I don't know. Okay.

• 1:23:47Speaker 02

  Okay, but wait, wait, why, why she ain't gotta unpack hers?

• 1:23:50Keke Palmer?

  She said, she said, you told my damn business.

• 1:23:52Speaker 01

  You told my business. Like, if I'm confiding in you and I'm trusting you and this is something.

• 1:23:56Speaker 02

  Very close to them.

• 1:23:58Speaker 01

  Give me a minute, give me five business days. Okay, so you gonna, you gonna face it later?

• 1:24:03Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 1:24:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:24:04Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. She seems like she wants a tight ship. Um, relationships. You've seen, you've been seeing someone for six months. You met coworkers, their cousin, even their dog walker.

• 1:24:17Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:24:18Keke Palmer?

  But they don't want you to meet their friends. Odd at that.

• 1:24:25Keke Palmer?

  Ah, there's not anything on here that describes how I feel. Who cares? What time are you coming over?

• 1:24:33Keke Palmer?

  I don't wanna meet their ass anyway. This ain't no damn.

• 1:24:36Speaker 02

  It's not an audition pair.

• 1:24:37Keke Palmer?

  Right, right. We ain't at the paparazzi. Keep their ass at home.

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  Oh, six months, though? No, yeah, I gotta let you go. Is this right, if I'm letting you go?

• 1:24:46Keke Palmer?

  You letting him go. Free.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I gotta let, I gotta free him.

• 1:24:49Keke Palmer?

  I don't know. I don't even need to meet the friends.

• 1:24:51Speaker 01

  Wait a minute, you don't wanna be with him for real?

• 1:24:54Keke Palmer?

  We are together when we're together.

• 1:24:56Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, no. I know.

• 1:24:59Keke Palmer?

  Because it's like, I'm not about to be like, let me meet your friends. Let me, I don't, as long as you're doing what I need. As long as I feel engaged and good in the vibe with you, leave their ass over there.

• 1:25:12Speaker 01

  So are you in a committed relationship?

• 1:25:14Keke Palmer?

  We could be. And you don't need the friends at all?

• 1:25:19Speaker 01

  My God, I'm a little stressed.

• 1:25:21Speaker 02

  That is so funny.

• 1:25:22Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, you're done with it, though.

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  Oh, God, I'm done. I gotta go.

• 1:25:26Speaker 02

  I do think at six months, there is some sort of understanding that needs to be.

• 1:25:30Speaker 01

  No, I gotta go.

• 1:25:30Speaker 02

  There's some alignment that needs to be happening. So to still, at six months, not meet the friends, I'm not saying it has to go away.

• 1:25:35Speaker 01

  What did you have up? Faded.

• 1:25:37Speaker 02

  I'm just saying, like.

• 1:25:38Speaker 01

  Oh, you gonna step back a little bit.

• 1:25:39Speaker 02

  What's really going on?

• 1:25:40Keke Palmer?

  I guess the thing too is like.

• 1:25:42Speaker 02

  Somebody's time.

• 1:25:43Keke Palmer?

  Look, I met their coworkers, I met their cousin, even their dog walker. Your friends are the problem. That's what I hear. Maybe I have an insane reframe.

• 1:25:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I.

• 1:25:54Keke Palmer?

  You know, that doesn't allow for rejection.

• 1:25:56Speaker 01

  Listen, I, I, yeah, no, mm-mm.

• 1:25:59Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:59Speaker 01

  I, I agree with you, the faded, I would definitely have to take a step back. But I'm, I'm too emotional. I gotta let it go.

• 1:26:06Keke Palmer?

  That's real. That's real.

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  I like, I'm simpin' at six months.

• 1:26:10Keke Palmer?

  I know that's right.

• 1:26:11Speaker 02

  Simping and pimping.

• 1:26:12Keke Palmer?

  Yes. Okay. This is too fun with you guys. I wanna pick another really good one for us.

• 1:26:18Speaker 01

  Okay, come on.

• 1:26:18Keke Palmer?

  Okay. Your partner admits they've been faking enthusiasm for something in the bedroom for years because they didn't wanna hurt your feelings.

• 1:26:28Speaker 01

  What the [bleep] is it?

• 1:26:30Keke Palmer?

  Baby, why didn't you tell me?

• 1:26:33Speaker 02

  I think it's a combination of the two.

• 1:26:35Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  What did you say?

• 1:26:37Keke Palmer?

  I love that. She's, she's saying like, let's talk about it, but also you're the problem because it would've stopped if you would've said it.

• 1:26:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm gonna fix it.

• 1:26:44Keke Palmer?

  Me too.

• 1:26:45Speaker 01

  Because I love the bedroom.

• 1:26:47Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, like, why wouldn't you tell me that you didn't like to.

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  Let's have some fun. What do you wanna do?

• 1:26:52Keke Palmer?

  I thought you liked when I put that suit on. You're not into the furry [bleep] anymore?

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  Or you never were.

• 1:26:58Keke Palmer?

  Well, you never were. You didn't like when I cosplayed as a cat? Damn. Too much fun going on. Okay. Your teenager wants to go on a trip with a friend's family you barely know. And every other parent seems completely comfortable with it.

• 1:27:17Keke Palmer?

  Baby, you ain't going, and this is why.

• 1:27:20Speaker 01

  Okay. I think it's this.

• 1:27:23Keke Palmer?

  Freeze.

• 1:27:23Speaker 01

  Teenager?

• 1:27:24Keke Palmer?

  Let the relationship go.

• 1:27:25Speaker 01

  No, no, not that. Well, let the child go.

• 1:27:28Keke Palmer?

  You're gonna let, yeah, you're gonna be, you're gonna let it happen?

• 1:27:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm gonna let him go. I'm, I'm most likely, I'm called, most likely I'm uptight, as you would be. Then I will call Savannah, and then she's gonna let him go.

• 1:27:39Keke Palmer?

  So maybe during my fix-it conversation, my baby say some [bleep] and I'm like, okay, son.

• 1:27:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:44Keke Palmer?

  You can go.

• 1:27:45Speaker 01

  You gotta trust me at some point, mom.

• 1:27:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what they're gonna say.

• 1:27:48Keke Palmer?

  Phew, okay. Here we go, next one. Your new mother-in-law writes a negative Google review of your wedding. I didn't even know you could do that. While you're still at the venue, then refuses to take it down. Basically, your mother-in-law's talking crap about you. What are you gonna do about it? Absa-freakin-lutely, it's gonna be this, and he better be careful, too.

• 1:28:14Keke Palmer?

  You better get up off me.

• 1:28:16Speaker 01

  Free it?

• 1:28:17Keke Palmer?

  I'm freeing it. She doesn't like me, she doesn't like me.

• 1:28:20Speaker 01

  Period. Not for her.

• 1:28:21Keke Palmer?

  You went as far as to write the review?

• 1:28:24Speaker 01

  I mean, really? Are you reviewing my wedding? It was the best day of your life.

• 1:28:27Keke Palmer?

  You get what I mean? She's free, baby. You don't want me to end up tired.

• 1:28:33Speaker 01

  But I'm a little, I'm a little, I'm a little.

• 1:28:35Keke Palmer?

  You can sing.

• 1:28:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:37Keke Palmer?

  I heard that it sounded good.

• 1:28:38Speaker 02

  Showering in the car, honey. That's it.

• 1:28:41Speaker 01

  I'm upset though, I'm crying.

• 1:28:43Keke Palmer?

  She said, I'm crying. Oh, because you're so sweet. You, you really are a tourist.

• 1:28:48Speaker 01

  The mother-in-law?

• 1:28:48Keke Palmer?

  I'm like, what didn't you like? You. She's a hate.

• 1:28:53Speaker 01

  Oh, [bleep]. Wait a second, Ted. Wait a minute.

• 1:28:59Speaker 01

  Now I'm gonna be snippy. I'm trying to.

• 1:29:01Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh. Create, and you're also gonna create some distance. I love that.

• 1:29:05Speaker 01

  Create distance.

• 1:29:06Keke Palmer?

  I love that. Okay. Hold on, let me get to the last one or two.

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  What? Oh, no.

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  Go on, oh.

• 1:29:11Keke Palmer?

  Okay. Your spouse's friend makes a disrespectful joke about your marriage in front of both of you. And your spouse laughs instead of shutting it down. That sounds familiar.

• 1:29:23Keke Palmer?

  I know the reference for that. Um, let me get my papers.

• 1:29:27Speaker 01

  I was like, how disrespectful was it?

• 1:29:30Keke Palmer?

  Okay, right.

• 1:29:30Speaker 01

  Cause I find [bleep] funny.

• 1:29:33Keke Palmer?

  You know.

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  That's.

• 1:29:36Keke Palmer?

  I'm gonna probably be a little bit pouty.

• 1:29:38Speaker 01

  Is it, I was gonna say.

• 1:29:39Keke Palmer?

  Cause why did you laugh at that?

• 1:29:43Keke Palmer?

  Do my breath stink for real? I'm just making a [bleep] about.

• 1:29:48Keke Palmer?

  What do you mean?

• 1:29:49Speaker 01

  It's like.

• 1:29:51Keke Palmer?

  Like?

• 1:29:52Speaker 01

  I probably will laugh too.

• 1:29:55Keke Palmer?

  Tourist.

• 1:29:56Speaker 01

  How disrespectful was it?

• 1:29:58Keke Palmer?

  I mean, he was like, I don't even know how y'all stay together. She don't be putting out ever.

• 1:30:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:05Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, shut the hell up. Cause what y'all doing talking about our sex life?

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  Oh, I think it's so funny.

• 1:30:11Keke Palmer?

  Okay, so yours is, yours is like, no problem, baby.

• 1:30:14Speaker 01

  I'm like. And you're single. In short. See, see, I start getting that.

• 1:30:20Keke Palmer?

  Now you start clowning him.

• 1:30:25Keke Palmer?

  Now, homeboy is getting, of course he say that.

• 1:30:28Speaker 01

  Now he get roasted. Where's the last time you got some ass?

• 1:30:33Keke Palmer?

  Now that's good. Drag his ass for Phil, cause don't talk again. Okay, here we go. Ah, this is gonna get you guys. Another mom disciplines your child in front of you because she thinks you're not stepping in fast enough. She says, if they in my house, I'ma correct them. I need the one that says, fight.

• 1:30:56Speaker 01

  I need the one that says.

• 1:30:57Keke Palmer?

  Because. Absolutely not. You are the problem, ma'am.

• 1:31:03Speaker 01

  What's discipline?

• 1:31:06Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:06Speaker 01

  I realize I have a lot of questions, but what is discipline?

• 1:31:09Keke Palmer?

  Okay, this is the scenario. He playing with the rocks.

• 1:31:13Speaker 01

  What is yours?

• 1:31:13Keke Palmer?

  He's, exactly. He's playing with the rocks over there. Uh-uh, little boy, I don't know what y'all do over there in Malibu. But over here, we don't do that. Sorry, girl.

• 1:31:24Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm, I'm actually.

• 1:31:26Speaker 02

  This is not the right.

• 1:31:26Speaker 01

  I'm actually okay with that.

• 1:31:28Speaker 02

  I'm not saying this right. Yeah.

• 1:31:29Keke Palmer?

  Really?

• 1:31:30Speaker 01

  Cause if you at my house.

• 1:31:32Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:32Speaker 01

  And you start acting.

• 1:31:33Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:34Speaker 01

  Well, I like, I love to grab a little arm.

• 1:31:36Speaker 02

  But this is the thing. I'm a gentle, I'm a gentle parent in the first place.

• 1:31:38Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, right. You wouldn't say that like that.

• 1:31:41Speaker 02

  Worry about, but there are consequences and repercussions to be, to how we run our ship over here.

• 1:31:47Keke Palmer?

  Mine's would be very like, you're not invited back.

• 1:31:52Speaker 01

  If she says.

• 1:31:53Keke Palmer?

  You know what I mean? I'll let the [bleep] go down and I'll be like, can you believe that little bitch?

• 1:31:57Keke Palmer?

  They won't be coming over. We meeting them at the Discovery Zone next time.

• 1:32:01Speaker 01

  I would just.

• 1:32:01Keke Palmer?

  You know?

• 1:32:02Speaker 01

  I want my people to feel like they can like, put, I feel like that's one of the things we miss. It's, it takes a village, like.

• 1:32:10Keke Palmer?

  So I also feel like, if I'm at your house or you're at my house, we really are cool.

• 1:32:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:15Keke Palmer?

  You're right.

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  I'm only meeting somebody at the Discovery Zone that is, stays at the Discovery Zone.

• 1:32:21Keke Palmer?

  That's very real.

• 1:32:21Speaker 01

  So if you're at my house and your kid is doing something that I'm like.

• 1:32:25Keke Palmer?

  But you know what? Let me not be, I was at a party recently and my friend was like, saying stuff to my son. But he was like saying stuff to my son, like, like, come on now, Leo, you know, listen to your mama. Stuff like that. I was with that. It felt very soulful.

• 1:32:39Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:32:39Keke Palmer?

  Like, I felt very with the community. You know what I mean?

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  I feel like.

• 1:32:43Keke Palmer?

  But it just depends because it's like, don't get crazy.

• 1:32:46Speaker 01

  I, I agree with that. I agree with that. Something or hitting somebody and your, your best friend is there. And she's like, don't put your hands on people, Leo. You get mad?

• 1:32:54Keke Palmer?

  No, especially if she said that. But if, it depends on the level of discipline, like, how are you saying it? And what are you doing? What are you correcting? And how are you correcting it, girl? And what's up with you and your kids?

• 1:33:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, yeah.

• 1:33:09Keke Palmer?

  It's just like.

• 1:33:10Speaker 01

  I would be okay.

• 1:33:10Keke Palmer?

  It's like, but you made a good point, which is if they're at the house, they've already passed all whatever these tests are. Not tests, but you know what I'm saying? Like, you already trust them.

• 1:33:19Speaker 02

  The level of comfort.

• 1:33:20Keke Palmer?

  There's a level of comfort that you already know how they would act.

• 1:33:22Speaker 01

  And I think Leo is going to test the limits with somebody that's not you.

• 1:33:27Speaker 02

  I think it's opposite. I feel like Leo would be an angel at my house. He gonna test it with you.

• 1:33:32Keke Palmer?

  That's very true. But I mean.

• 1:33:34Speaker 02

  I think that's how kids are.

• 1:33:35Keke Palmer?

  Whenever they, whoever they get really comfortable with.

• 1:33:37Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:33:37Keke Palmer?

  Right, so if they, if they end up getting crazy comfortable, then, then it's like they start acting crazy. Because Leo can really get there.

• 1:33:43Speaker 01

  All kids can.

• 1:33:44Keke Palmer?

  Ooh, okay.

• 1:33:45Speaker 01

  No, you're not the only one.

• 1:33:46Keke Palmer?

  Last one. I could really sit up here with y'all all day. Okay, let me find a good last one before this is the end one.

• 1:33:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:33:51Keke Palmer?

  This one's good.

• 1:33:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:33:54Keke Palmer?

  Your best friend starts hanging out with somebody you had a huge falling out with. She says their friendship has nothing to do with yours. Audit that. I know exactly what I'm gonna do.

• 1:34:07Keke Palmer?

  I need to create some distance.

• 1:34:10Speaker 02

  Is that the ever go energy?

• 1:34:11Keke Palmer?

  Because I don't feel comfortable.

• 1:34:12Speaker 01

  What is, what did you say?

• 1:34:13Keke Palmer?

  Create some distance too, because who, who, who? Get this bitch up out of here.

• 1:34:18Speaker 01

  I would question, I would question if that's your best friend. See, I always got a question.

• 1:34:23Keke Palmer?

  Oh, you said faded too? Oh, no, what'd you say?

• 1:34:24Speaker 01

  No, I'm just like.

• 1:34:25Keke Palmer?

  You didn't do nothing yet. I love that you're bringing nuance to it.

• 1:34:29Speaker 02

  Put your pedal up.

• 1:34:30Speaker 01

  Were you fading it? I'm actually freeing it.

• 1:34:35Keke Palmer?

  Oh, you're done.

• 1:34:36Speaker 01

  But, but, but my best friend would never do that.

• 1:34:40Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:40Speaker 01

  So this is where I'm always surprised. Because I feel like, why would you actually do that?

• 1:34:47Keke Palmer?

  This happens in a girlfriend situation. What I mean is, this is when a group breaks down. That's when this happens. This happens when you was a foursome. And two of them fell out. And the group aband- abandons one or somebody. They make, there, there's sides that have to be chosen. This is like when, this is like when, um, this is like when Tony and Joan fell out. That was a crazy season. They was in church crying over that, praying over their relationship. You know, when a breakdown happens? And it's like that. And so it's like, they used to be all our friends. That's when those situations happen.

• 1:35:23Speaker 01

  I wouldn't do well with that. Because I would be like, I can't believe you betrayed me. I don't do well with betrayal.

• 1:35:30Keke Palmer?

  Have y'all ever been a part of friend groups? Like, big girlfriend groups?

• 1:35:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, high school.

• 1:35:34Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, it's tough to maintain.

• 1:35:36Speaker 02

  Five group, five people.

• 1:35:37Speaker 01

  It's not my aesthetic. Yeah, that's not my aesthetic. It's too much.

• 1:35:40Keke Palmer?

  I jump into them.

• 1:35:41Speaker 01

  Oh, you do?

• 1:35:42Keke Palmer?

  Like, I jump into other people's.

• 1:35:44Speaker 01

  Oh, that's, that's too stressful.

• 1:35:45Keke Palmer?

  But I'm solo. Do you get what I mean?

• 1:35:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, but then, don't, don't they fight over you?

• 1:35:49Keke Palmer?

  So basically like this. I have a friend that has a friend group of five. Or a friend group, like, she has a big friend group. And I'm like, I'm in it, but I'm not all the way in it.

• 1:35:57Speaker 01

  Oh, I see.

• 1:35:57Keke Palmer?

  You get what I mean? So like, I, I'm, I can be a part of friend groups, but I'm generally like, I'm, I'm, I'm always rolling stag.

• 1:36:04Speaker 01

  But it's funny, do you like all five?

• 1:36:06Keke Palmer?

  I do. But naturally, friend groups get like that. That's why I'm like, they can get, you know what I mean? Because somebody's gonna get hurt. Somebody's gonna get upset, you know? Now we are again, and I think it's really beautiful when it can happen. Right? When you are somebody that can maintain a solid, big frie- like, friend group. But it's really difficult. Because everybody doesn't grow at the same pace.

• 1:36:28Speaker 01

  It's not my thing.

• 1:36:29Keke Palmer?

  You know? But it's beautiful when people have it.

• 1:36:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I definitely had it and.

• 1:36:34Keke Palmer?

  It, it fell apart.

• 1:36:35Speaker 02

  After high school, it just kind of fizzled.

• 1:36:37Speaker 01

  But is you and Amber?

• 1:36:38Speaker 02

  It's me, Amber.

• 1:36:39Keke Palmer?

  Hey, Amber.

• 1:36:40Speaker 01

  Amber.

• 1:36:41Keke Palmer?

  Well, girls, I have to say, I really wanted to steal you guys after this. I really wanted to put you in my pocket and throw you in the closet.

• 1:36:48Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 1:36:48Keke Palmer?

  Because I really enjoy talking to y'all. You guys are really just so fabulous and inspiring and beautiful and cool to hang out with. So I'll be looking for my invitation to Morocco.

• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  We gonna take it offline. Oh, my God.

• 1:37:00Keke Palmer?

  Yes!

• 1:37:00Speaker 01

  Wait a minute, if we bring you in the friend group, then what happens?

• 1:37:03Keke Palmer?

  Well, this is a threesome. This is a threesome. I will behave. You'll never have to throw me away. You'll never have to fade me or fix me.

• 1:37:13Speaker 01

  I'm gonna be upset. I'm gonna be upset, so don't be, don't be flippant.

• 1:37:18Keke Palmer?

  I'm like this. Okay, hug sisters.

• 1:37:21Speaker 01

  Yes, thank you so much.

• 1:37:23Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, girls, you guys are just too fun.

• 1:37:29Keke Palmer?

  First of all, I better be invited on the next girl's trip. But what I love about Savannah and April is that their friendship isn't about having everything in common or always agreeing. And what really stayed with me is that finding your people is one thing, but allowing them to show up for you is another. Sometimes that means asking for help, hearing something you don't want to hear, or having somebody who believes in you enough to build something together. Don't take those relationships for granted. Give each other room to grow. Show up when it matters. And remember that you don't have to do everything alone. I'm definitely gonna take that advice. I'll see you next time. Because, baby, this is Keke Palmer.

• 1:38:10Speaker 03

  Baby, this is, this is Kiki. Baby, this is Keke Palmer, yeah.