Pod Insights Baby, this is Keke Palmer Keepin’ It Chalant with Kash Doll About this episode Are you in your soft girl era but still holding it down like a boss? Well, the same could be said about our guest today, Kash Doll! Our girl is keeping it all the way real about evolving as a woman, an artist, and a mama. Then she’s spilling just a little tea on her new boo (you know we had to ask), breaking down what “The Last Doll” era means to her now, and explaining how her hit “For Everybody” changed her whole life.
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0:00 Keke Palmer? This episode is sponsored by Airbnb. Y'all, when spring hits and nature starts calling my name, you know I am headed straight to Airbnb to find the most loved homes to scratch my outdoor z itch. Now, let's get into it, baby.
0:18 Keke Palmer? Hey, hey, hey, listeners, it's your girl, Keke Palmer here again. And today, we're talking about something that so many of us are navigating: motherhood, softness, and the strength it takes to protect your peace. How do you stay in control without hardening your heart? How do you access that soft, vulnerable part of yourself when the world's always expecting you to be tough? Well, today, we have Cash Dilem in the building to get into all of that. So buckle up, because, baby, this is Keke Palmer.
1:14 Keke Palmer? Y'all, listen, today's guest is the definition of a boss. She's a platinum-selling rapper, an actress, an entrepreneur, and straight out of Detroit, okay? You know I love me a multifaceted queen, and this one has been booked and busy. You might know her from her Metro Boomin' collab, So Good, her latest single, Cash Commandments, and of course, you've seen her on shows like Empire and BMF. It is, of course, Cash Dilem. Welcome to the show! I'm on here with my girl, Kiki. Okay. Now, I gotta ask, how are you, right? Just getting collective on the human life. How's the vibe? How are you feeling today? I'm feeling...
1:53 Keke Palmer? Come on, Rock. I'm feeling.
1:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, you know what? I'm just feeling, you know, life is good, man. I'm just having a, I'm having a good time.
2:00 Keke Palmer? And you're getting a pause because you just was on tour.
2:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:03 Keke Palmer? I mean, how?
2:03 Speaker 01 No, I ain't get no pause, girl. I was just on set, yes, the, yeah.
2:07 Keke Palmer? So what you working on right now?
2:09 Speaker 01 I can't say.
2:10 Keke Palmer? You can't tell me?
2:11 Speaker 01 I ain't talking.
2:11 Keke Palmer? I'm living for you getting into all the bags.
2:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
2:14 Keke Palmer? The acting bag, music bag always been going. Acting bag going, it's been going. This is good. I can't wait to hear about whatever this new project is.
2:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's dope.
2:21 Keke Palmer? You can let me know on the air.
2:22 Speaker 01 I'm about to say, I'm about to tell you.
2:23 Keke Palmer? We can't let y'all know.
2:24 Speaker 01 I can't see on y'all, I'm gonna get in trouble.
2:26 Keke Palmer? Okay, so let's talk about this tour real quick. Because you said the last doll is, it might mean that you dropping doll from your name. It might mean you taking a step back from music. It might mean that your daughter Clarity is the last doll. You ain't having no more kids.
2:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:39 Keke Palmer? But also you said you're an indecisive Pisces. So how are you feeling about what the last doll means to you now?
2:46 Speaker 01 Definitely taking it off my name. Definitely Clarity is the last doll.
2:52 Keke Palmer? So all of it, damn near.
2:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, all of it. All of it still is the, all of it is the same. Um, but for the most part, it was just like, you know, I'm growing into this woman.
3:00 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
3:01 Speaker 01 With two kids and I'm just over the doll.
3:03 Keke Palmer? Yeah, yeah. It's an evolution.
3:05 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:05 Keke Palmer? What would you describe the era of Kash Doll being in the one you're stepping into now?
3:10 Speaker 01 Hmm. The lady I'm stepping into now, I'm just grown.
3:14 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
3:15 Speaker 01 I'm just grown. I'm Keisha.
3:17 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
3:17 Speaker 01 Just call me Keisha, that's who I am. You know what I'm saying? And like before, I was just more turned outside lit.
3:23 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
3:23 Speaker 01 You know what I'm saying? No responsibilities for real, because no kids and it's like, it's just two different people.
3:28 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
3:29 Speaker 01 You know, I look at things different. Everything is more intentional now. You know, once you have kids, everything is intentional.
3:33 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
3:33 Speaker 01 I ain't just doing things for no reason. The only thing I gotta work on is spending money.
3:39 Keke Palmer? That can become a bad habit, can't it? Get a little change in your pocket and just go up.
3:43 Speaker 01 I can go do something.
3:46 Speaker 01 I seen this bag the other day, I'm gonna go get it.
3:48 Keke Palmer? Well, you came in here with a bag bag. You ain't wanna flex too hard on them and put it up there. But I was like, you could've gave us a little ambiance.
3:55 Speaker 01 Can I get, can I put it right there now?
3:57 Keke Palmer? You can, put it right there.
3:58 Speaker 01 Give it here, give it here.
3:58 Keke Palmer? Because it's giving ambiance.
4:00 Speaker 01 Give it here.
4:01 Keke Palmer? She's very cute. She's very cute. She came in here definitely giving everything with the jewelry too.
4:09 Speaker 01 You know what? I went out last night, I woke up late.
4:13 Keke Palmer? Now, wait a minute, what you do last night? Let's get into that. You say you was on set and you went out to celebrate? Or it just happened?
4:18 Speaker 01 Okay, so I went to Women in Music Billboard.
4:20 Keke Palmer? Oh, yes, of course.
4:20 Speaker 01 I went there and then I went to go hang out with my little boo.
4:24 Keke Palmer? Oh, yes. So you and your boopin' all over online? And I've been living for the way he's been hyping, my girl love. Yes, how did y'all meet?
4:31 Speaker 01 To go.
4:32 Keke Palmer? Have you talked about this already?
4:33 Speaker 01 No, I have not.
4:34 Keke Palmer? Man, how you meet this man?
4:35 Speaker 01 Don't play with me.
4:37 Keke Palmer? I'm just living for you because I feel like you always on a good vibe.
4:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm always on a vibe.
4:41 Keke Palmer? I feel like I've never seen you, I'm sure you have life troubles.
4:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:44 Keke Palmer? But again, that is very Pisces energy. When y'all are just such boss diva down, like how do y'all always stay so cunt in the bag?
4:50 Speaker 01 You know what? It's just like, man, I'm a real life pla- I'm a playa- I keep a P at all the time. I be chilling. You know what I'm saying? For the most part, I be chilling and it's like, I feel like that's when you start living, when you learn how to live when things is going on. And not letting it just affect you like that, you know? But I do have my moments and I, I get, I pick up.
5:08 Keke Palmer? Yeah, yeah.
5:09 Speaker 01 I just pick up and like, alright, whoo.
5:11 Keke Palmer? Dust myself off.
5:11 Speaker 01 Yeah, and try again.
5:13 Keke Palmer? Yeah, yeah.
5:13 Speaker 01 You know what I'm saying? So, um, yeah, I just be, I don't be tripping. I don't live in stuff too long. I don't live in it too long. Cause what is that gonna do?
5:21 Keke Palmer? It doesn't help. I mean, you think about it enough to concentrate on, okay, what do I need to learn from it? But then I gotta shake, you know, I can't stay in the energy.
5:27 Speaker 01 Cause you know, everything happens for a reason, especially when you're a good person. You know that, you know, it ain't no bad karma. You know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, I, this didn't happen to me because I did something bad. It's like, no, this happens to me for me to learn from it.
5:40 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
5:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, but it's not like, why is this? It's like, okay, so what's the reason behind it? You know?
5:45 Keke Palmer? Mm-hmm.
5:45 Speaker 01 So.
5:46 Keke Palmer? How was it last night at the event? And all the, being there with all the folks? Sometimes industry events can be a bit much, but you had a good vibe, it was fun?
5:53 Speaker 01 It was cool.
5:53 Keke Palmer? Yeah, it was cool.
5:54 Speaker 01 It was cool, it was cool. I just, I was in and out, you know what I'm saying?
5:56 Keke Palmer? Did you see any people that you knew?
5:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, I seen Glow get her award and, um, Money Long, she performed and I seen Tina Knowles.
6:05 Keke Palmer? Love Miss Tina. She feel like all our auntie.
6:07 Speaker 01 I seen her on the camera, but I didn't get to meet her or nothing. But I seen her. Yeah, that is like our auntie.
6:12 Keke Palmer? It is.
6:13 Speaker 01 Um, yeah, I, it was a lot of people. I became a fan of this one lady named Megan. I think she's a country artist. And when she got her acceptance speech, when she went up there and did her speech, it was like she was so funny.
6:25 Keke Palmer? I think I know you talking about she light skinned the girl. Yeah, she's, she been talking about a lot of stuff too. I wanna talk to her cuz she was sharing a lot of stuff in her music. But I'm happy about the moment that she's getting her shine on with this country piece. Cuz a lot of times, you know, the black folks don't be getting that country shine. So I was glad to see that for her, for sure.
6:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
6:41 Keke Palmer? Um, well, let's talk about clarity and what clarity she brought to your life. That's your daughter. You just had her last June. You know, I had a baby. We both got little ones.
6:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, we got some little ones, yeah.
6:49 Keke Palmer? And it definitely changed me. I'm curious if, how much it changed you and if it was what you expected it to be.
6:55 Speaker 01 You know what, um, okay, so my son, Cashden, gave me a whole new pair of eyes.
7:00 Keke Palmer? Oh, my gosh, yeah, cuz you have your, how old is your son?
7:02 Speaker 01 My son is three.
7:03 Keke Palmer? Three?
7:04 Speaker 01 Yep, he's three. Yep, cuz how old is Leo?
7:06 Keke Palmer? Leo's two.
7:07 Speaker 01 Okay, okay, yeah, cuz I know, I remember you were pregnant. I, I had him first and then I got pregnant again and had her. She's nine months.
7:13 Keke Palmer? Boom, boom.
7:14 Speaker 01 I got him out the way. I'm done. And it's a boy and a girl?
7:17 Keke Palmer? I know that's right, girl.
7:18 Speaker 01 I'm.
7:19 Keke Palmer? I would love another one, but it's like when and who, you know? It'd just be like, damn, you know, but anyway.
7:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:26 Keke Palmer? So how has it changed you? Two under two? Well, three under four.
7:29 Speaker 01 Uh, just trying to find this balance right now.
7:32 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
7:32 Speaker 01 Right now, I'm struggling with balance, you know? It's not easy. It's not easy. I, I have some things that I, I just have to prioritize things differently.
7:41 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
7:42 Speaker 01 I've been off a little bit, but, um, as far as clarity, she brought clarity. And that's why my situation that I was in, you know, with their dad, I couldn't do it no more.
7:52 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
7:53 Speaker 01 You know what I'm saying? Like, she had me, like, I'm not dealing with this with, just, I'm not, I'm not doing it.
7:58 Keke Palmer? And just dealing, what you mean with dealing with? Just dealing with the inconsistency, the up and down, the negative energies?
8:02 Speaker 01 The negativity, the not treating me how I wanna be treated, the cheating, all that shit.
8:08 Keke Palmer? Uh.
8:09 Speaker 01 Goodbye.
8:10 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
8:10 Speaker 01 Goodbye.
8:11 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
8:11 Speaker 01 She not about to see that. She need to see me getting love correctly, you know what I'm saying?
8:16 Keke Palmer? Or loving me correctly without the drama.
8:18 Speaker 01 Exactly.
8:19 Keke Palmer? Cuz I'm gonna do bad all by myself. Why not do good?
8:20 Speaker 01 And I said that, I said, listen, it is crazy cuz when you find yourself leaving a situation, you feel lighter. It's like, oh, I shouldn't have been there. Yeah, and you just, you'd be good, I'm cool by myself, I didn't have to.
8:35 Keke Palmer? And it creeps up, because it's like, I mean, we, we, we obviously was having fun on the way to this trip. But now that we at this destination, all of a sudden, I wanna go somewhere I know.
8:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, and I'm going. First flight out, I'm bye, goodbye.
8:49 Keke Palmer? But I will say, you guys have seemed to be able to still be on good vibes and good terms.
8:55 Speaker 01 I tried it, I tried it, but as you see, it's all over and he, he, he's fighting it. You know, um, like he'll admit to me that he was wrong and, you know, just accepting accountability for the things that you have done. Yeah, but then you get on their front and it's so crazy because it's like, that's part of the reason why we're not together. Because you, you couldn't put that pride to the side. And now you're still doing it, you know, and you try to act like it's nothing when you know it hurt. You know, instead of facing it and admitting your wrongs and taking accountability so that you could become a better person. You sit up here and still try to act like, I'm cool, I'm cool.
9:38 Keke Palmer? And it's okay if you're not cool.
9:40 Speaker 01 Cause listen, one time I said, one time I said, yeah, this shit, it hurts.
9:45 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
9:47 Keke Palmer? Don't nobody have no care with somebody and want things to end. Who does that? Nobody does that.
9:53 Speaker 01 Nobody do that, you know.
9:54 Keke Palmer? So it hurts everybody.
9:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, and for you to sit up there.
10:00 Speaker 01 I'm just happy I made my decision. You know what I'm saying?
10:03 Keke Palmer? Yeah, I'm happy for you, and I mean, it's also crazy because I'm sure for you it wasn't that quick. But for me, it's like, man, not only did you wipe your hands, but you're open to new love. Which I think is sometimes hard for us, right? When we, we step out of something, sometimes you can just be.
10:18 Speaker 01 You be kinda like, hold up, hold up, slow up.
10:20 Keke Palmer? Me and my kids, and that's that. Me and my babies, and that's that. You know what I mean?
10:25 Speaker 01 Don't play with me.
10:26 Keke Palmer? So you can go there and so, and just be fine as hell with nobody bothering you.
10:30 Speaker 01 Just me and my kids. I was cool. You know what I'm saying? But the new vibe, I'm.
10:35 Keke Palmer? So how did this happen? How did this, were you, were you out? Was it a hop into your DMs?
10:42 Speaker 01 Gone. I see you. I see exactly what you trying to do. She get her money.
10:49 Keke Palmer? I'm like, so what is the story?
10:54 Keke Palmer? Lightweight. Just, just give me, you know, just give me the spark notes.
10:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, we, we, we.
11:02 Speaker 01 I see, you know, he was playing for the Lions.
11:04 Keke Palmer? Period.
11:04 Speaker 01 And I went back home after I left.
11:06 Keke Palmer? Okay.
11:07 Speaker 01 Yeah, and you know, we just kind of seeing each other.
11:11 Keke Palmer? But I'll be honest, I need to know this from you because Cash, you are very, very beautiful.
11:15 Speaker 01 Oh, thank you.
11:15 Keke Palmer? And you also have a huge energy where it's like a guy knows he's going to have to bow. What is it that gets your attention? What is it that lets like you say, okay, I'm actually listening to this dude?
11:25 Speaker 01 I'mma tell you what got my attention with him. I'm in the, because you know, I'm back outside. You know, I just, I'm back outside. I'm with my girl Ja. You know, we chilling.
11:33 Keke Palmer? What up, Ja?
11:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, what's up, Ja? Uh, we chilling, we outside. I'm like, now I'm popping out, you know? So I'm in the club. You get on my nerves.
11:42 Keke Palmer? I'm so in it. I'm like, yes, I'm in the club with you and Ja.
11:45 Speaker 01 Yes. We in there. You was not there.
11:50 Speaker 01 You was there.
11:50 Keke Palmer? I was there.
11:51 Speaker 01 Because remember, we were sitting on the couch.
11:53 Keke Palmer? Period.
11:53 Speaker 01 Um, so we sit, we sitting up there and he walked through like security and everything and just like introduced himself.
12:00 Keke Palmer? Come on, know how to step to me.
12:03 Speaker 01 I said, oh, wow. Hi. Through security and everything, I said, that was sexy. You know how some guys, it just comes sliding your DM after they seen you or you know, tell somebody, you know, you kind of.
12:15 Keke Palmer? They're scary.
12:15 Speaker 01 Yeah. He was, he came over with that energy. I said, oh, wow. Hi.
12:24 Keke Palmer? Yes. And so he just probably kept that energy up. He kept that pressure because I'm telling you, I seen him in the comments.
12:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:31 Keke Palmer? He letting everybody know Cash is mine.
12:34 Speaker 01 I'm, I, I, look, I'm, hey. I ain't got no complaints. I'm good. I'm good.
12:40 Keke Palmer? I love that. I love that. Well, going back to just music and mom and some of these transitions, how have you approached your career differently now with all that?
12:48 Speaker 01 Um, you know what?
12:50 Keke Palmer? Thought about the landscape differently?
12:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's like even when you recording and, um...
12:56 Speaker 01 You go and play what you wearing. It's like you, you know, your kids one day will see this stuff. You know, or they're gonna hear the music. You don't even wanna say some crazy stuff on tracks, like too crazy.
13:08 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
13:08 Speaker 01 You know what I'm saying? Yeah, cuz you like eventually, you know, they're, they're gonna hear it. And my son likes my music.
13:13 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
13:13 Speaker 01 He like it, so.
13:14 Keke Palmer? But even before kids, I gotta tell you, stuff always like even if you was talking about something crazy, it had some consciousness to it.
13:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, still had a little classy swag up in there, you know what I'm saying? But I just be like just trying to make sure that later on that you're not embarrassed.
13:27 Keke Palmer? Sure, yeah.
13:28 Speaker 01 You know.
13:29 Keke Palmer? And it's something I can stand behind.
13:30 Speaker 01 And I can stand on it.
13:31 Keke Palmer? Not like, oh, so you said you was eating ass, wait a minute, type shit.
13:36 Keke Palmer? Cuz how you gonna stand behind that? Well, baby, sometimes you eat a little ass. You can't say that.
13:43 Speaker 01 I'm leaving. I'm leaving. Don't you start this, you know.
13:49 Keke Palmer? I feel you a hundred percent though.
13:51 Speaker 01 Why would you say that though? Cuz people would say I was eating ass and it was like, we was, wait, hell, my.
13:54 Keke Palmer? Cuz you know, and then by the time your baby ask you, you don't know what to say.
13:57 Speaker 01 You don't know what to say, like that was just a.
13:59 Keke Palmer? Cuz you got a mouth full of ass.
14:00 Speaker 01 Shit.
14:05 Keke Palmer? Girl, okay, you know what, you brought clarity.
14:08 Speaker 01 I'm about to go. I can't, I'm not about to.
14:11 Keke Palmer? Now, you brought clarity out on stage.
14:13 Speaker 01 They don't wanna try to get serious, but.
14:15 Keke Palmer? Now, you brought, now bringing it back home.
14:17 Speaker 01 Okay.
14:17 Keke Palmer? You brought clarity out on stage. I know you was telling me she's not here right now. Obviously, when you're traveling, I know, sometimes it's hard to bring the babies with you. So how do you deal with that mom guilt? Cuz you know, we all get it. Even when we there with the baby, we're like.
14:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, you know what, sometimes I just be like, well, let me just at least get my sleep while I'm away.
14:37 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
14:37 Speaker 01 You know what I'm saying? Like, let me just get my sleep then, because when I get back home, I'm going to have to be a mom full of time.
14:44 Keke Palmer? That's right.
14:44 Speaker 01 So that makes me feel a little bit better cuz it's like at least I get to rest and get recharged to come back to them.
14:49 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
14:50 Speaker 01 Even though I'm working when I'm away from them, I still be, you know, that's what helps me. That's what gets me there. And um, and then it'd be like for them to live the life that I want them to live, they're gonna have to understand, mom, you gotta work.
15:01 Keke Palmer? And I think it's important, I tell myself that same thing too as well is like, okay, this is also me making sure that I'm good for them. But then it's like also the reality that they need to see us be independent. I want them to know that, you know, have a life. Yeah, have a life, be a person, be a full person, follow your dreams and.
15:17 Speaker 01 Get up and you go to work. You gotta, you gotta see mommy, okay mommy, get on airplane, mommy go work.
15:22 Keke Palmer? That's right.
15:23 Speaker 01 You know, and this is what your life going to consist of too, if you want to have the nice things in life, you have to, you have to work and I'm, and I'm, I'm glad that they see that, but I still be missing my baby.
15:33 Keke Palmer? Yeah, no, I feel you a hundred percent.
15:34 Speaker 01 I be missing my baby.
15:35 Keke Palmer? But they be, I feel inside that they be proud of us, you know what I'm saying? To know that we, we got it.
15:39 Speaker 01 Cause Kastian, oh, he runs backstage. Like when he's on tour with me, everybody know that's Kastian tour.
15:46 Speaker 01 Shit tour. He, he go on the side and he watch me and if I call him out, he gonna come out and he gonna look at the crowd, he gonna smile. Yeah, like I love him. He's a star. My baby is a star. I love me some schnuckum and Clarity, Claire Bear, she's just bossy.
16:01 Keke Palmer? Is she, she, you said she nine months? How many? Nine months? So she ain't talking to none yet?
16:05 Speaker 01 No.
16:06 Keke Palmer? Yeah, but she giving you all.
16:07 Speaker 01 But she giving you, she got an attitude problem. She.
16:11 Keke Palmer? I love when they're that age. Oh my gosh.
16:13 Speaker 01 And that's what I'm be missing. I'm like, I don't wanna miss her.
16:18 Speaker 01 But I can, mommy gotta work.
16:19 Keke Palmer? Mommy gotta work and you're doing it well. And you also founded a nonprofit recently, which is incredible. Congratulations. Called Fairy Boss Mother.
16:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:27 Keke Palmer? And it provides financial assistance, mentorship and essential resources for single mothers striving for success. So I mean, that's like, you better give back. How did you start that? What was your process?
16:37 Speaker 01 You know what? I've been giving back for so long. I just never did it the right way.
16:41 Keke Palmer? Never necessarily in a complete structure.
16:43 Speaker 01 Exactly.
16:44 Keke Palmer? Which can be hard to put together.
16:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, if you don't have the right team, you know, so once you get the right team and stuff, you know, people put everything how it, you know, how it need to be. So I always been giving back, sending girls off to prom, you know, giving like breast pumps out and diapers and things like that. So it was like, all right, let's do this for real, you know, cause then I, I learned you can get grants and, and actually you can, you can help more.
17:07 Keke Palmer? Yes.
17:08 Speaker 01 So I'm like, okay, I didn't know that, you know what I'm saying? So now knowing that it's like, I'm definitely about to take these to another level. Definitely.
17:16 Keke Palmer? I love that. I love that. And congratulations again on that.
17:19 Speaker 01 Thank you.
17:19 Keke Palmer? You're welcome.
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18:32 Keke Palmer? Now I want to go a little bit back to your origin story because you were talking on Club Shay Shay about how you worked a lot of retail jobs.
18:37 Speaker 01 I did.
18:38 Keke Palmer? So you did Best Buy. What other jobs you was in?
18:41 Speaker 01 Better Made, Chip Factory, Little Caesars.
18:44 Keke Palmer? Come on, Little Caesars.
18:45 Speaker 01 Dots Clothing Store, Mr. Allen Shoe Store. Everything. I'm a hustler.
18:50 Keke Palmer? And so I was just about to ask, what do you think that you were doing, what skills you showed up as in those jobs that has helped you with your entrepreneurialism?
19:00 Speaker 01 All of them, all the skills. All of them, because you know what? Like in retail, it was having great communication. The finesse, you know what I'm saying? To get people to buy things. And Little Caesars, it's like the timing. Of them hot and ready, baby. And even cutting.
19:17 Keke Palmer? Come on. Why was you on beat?
19:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
19:20 Keke Palmer? That was perfect.
19:21 Speaker 01 The timing, you know, even cutting the beat. I learned, look, I learned things that I didn't know in the kitchen. You know what I'm saying?
19:27 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
19:28 Speaker 01 But like the timing and things like that.
19:31 Speaker 01 What else I can retail, I'll say.
19:33 Keke Palmer? But the timing in their people is very much dead on.
19:36 Speaker 01 Yeah.
19:36 Keke Palmer? Cause there in, you gotta talk a lot in our industry. You gotta constantly sell yourself.
19:41 Speaker 01 Yes, over and over and over and over again. Yeah, and then even too, like just when you work at the retail stores, you know, like, if I go in a retail store, I'ma go to the girl that got some swag.
19:51 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
19:52 Speaker 01 You know what I'm saying? You help me. You know what I'm looking for. I need a jacket, a black jacket. Point me to the cute ones. You know what I'm saying? So it was like even just showing up, looking good every day, you know? So, a lot of different things like that.
20:04 Keke Palmer? Yeah, now you also talking about hustling. You were stripper and you said you made twenty-six thousand dollars in one night. How did this happen?
20:12 Speaker 01 I was that girl.
20:13 Keke Palmer? Like.
20:13 Speaker 01 It's so, it's like I don't be wanting to sound all like arrogant, but I was just that girl. And it is what it is.
20:21 Keke Palmer? So how does that freaking happen? Is it because you have a good clientele? Like have you created a good clientele?
20:26 Speaker 01 I wasn't even in it like that. Like it was never that. It was always just the finesse, you know, and I was really popular. So I was like the most popular dancer in Midwest, you know what I'm saying? And every time I had anything, it was like banging and, and everybody just came and showed up.
20:45 Keke Palmer? That's cra- how does that happen? Like is that a part, like is that social media? Is it influencing? Is it just like word of mouth? How do you become?
20:52 Speaker 01 It was social media too, and it was like I always been popular in real life too. You know what I'm saying? Like at school and stuff. You know that. You one of them girls. Don't play like that. Don't play like.
21:04 Keke Palmer? But I know what you mean. It's just your personality.
21:07 Speaker 01 If you do one more thing.
21:09 Keke Palmer? One more thing.
21:12 Speaker 01 I'm leaving.
21:13 Keke Palmer? I know what you mean though, when it's like your person, it's the personality that you bring to the space. You know what I'm saying?
21:17 Speaker 01 That's just all it is. It's the person, it's you, you know, and it's just in you. It ain't nothing I could really, it was just.
21:23 Keke Palmer? Yes.
21:23 Speaker 01 You know, and I was blessed, man. And I, I think that that even helped me how to be more confident. You know what I'm saying? You gotta have confidence for that, you know, like.
21:31 Keke Palmer? You do.
21:31 Speaker 01 Everybody can't just do that. That's a different type of confidence to have, you know? So that taught me confidence, um, cause that was another job.
21:38 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
21:39 Speaker 01 But girl, boo, I used to make.
21:42 Keke Palmer? And so what made you say, okay, now I gotta come up out of this, I done did this, I done did this, now I wanna step into music?
21:49 Speaker 01 Cause I always wanted to do music. My dad did music too.
21:52 Keke Palmer? Okay, he was a rapper producer, all of it?
21:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, all of it, yeah, mhm. So, I always wanted to do music, it was just in me, but I just never thought I would be Kash doll, you know what I'm like? I'm not about to be that girl, but I always, look what I did. But, I was like, you know what, I wanna do this, because I didn't like doing that no more, because people made it like dancing, they made it just like, you know, just negative.
22:16 Keke Palmer? Yeah, maybe you just felt like the energy got a little too-
22:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, it got too negative, and it was like, people was trying to drag me, you know what comes with fame and money, you know?
22:25 Keke Palmer? Cause I'm not gonna be fighting you bitches in the club.
22:27 Speaker 01 And, and that was happening, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, it got so bad, I used to have to, I couldn't even change in the room with all the girls, I used to have to go to the owner's office and change.
22:36 Keke Palmer? Oh, no, no, no.
22:36 Speaker 01 You know, and it just got-
22:37 Keke Palmer? That's giving Beauty and Black.
22:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely, yeah, definitely, it was those type of vibes, and it was just like, even like the backlash from like being popular on social media, and people saying things to my mom, and about me dancing, like I'm just a slut, cause it, it ain't that, you know what I'm saying? It ain't that, it's what you make it though, you know, some girls are sluts.
22:58 Keke Palmer? Sometimes, sometimes that's what your vibe is, but that don't mean that's me.
23:01 Speaker 01 That's not me, you know, so I just didn't even want that a part of me anymore, like, it was like, ah, and plus, I wanted to do something that I really love, and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna try it. And I just put all my eggs in one basket, I just stopped one day, it was nothing, I just stopped. And that's a hell of a job to just stop, when you make eight thousand this day.
23:18 Keke Palmer? Cause the money's so quick.
23:19 Speaker 01 Twenty-six this day.
23:20 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
23:21 Speaker 01 Seventy-five hundred this day. Thirteen thousand this day. And I just stopped.
23:26 Keke Palmer? And so, there had to be a moment in that stop, where things got crazy, cause obviously, we know with entertainment or with any business, you are investing, investing, investing, and if that is your only business, then you have nowhere else to get money from, so you're kind of like throwing, you're gambling on yourself, and you're waiting for that comeback. What was happening for you in that time, where you were putting all that money that you had been saving and collecting, into the music before you saw something back from it? Like, what was your approach, to immediately start doing shows?
23:56 Speaker 01 It happened. It just happened, Kiki. I swear to God. I'd made a song and it was on the radio. It was in rotation. It was a remix to Tinashe, "Two On."
24:04 Keke Palmer? Yes!
24:05 Speaker 01 I did a remix to that in Detroit. And when I say I was in rotation on the radio, in the top eight at eight, now that I know how important that is, I'm like, I can't believe I did that. Not in the mix show. Her label was calling like, "Why they're not playing the original? What's going on in Michigan?" Okay, and I was getting booked because I was already popular. You know, so I started getting booked shows, even though it wasn't what I was making.
24:30 Keke Palmer? It was as if you already had a brand and then the music was just another product of that brand.
24:34 Speaker 01 Exactly.
24:35 Keke Palmer? That's incredible.
24:36 Speaker 01 Exactly. So then, I started doing shows, even though it was like $1,200 shows, you know. It was like, okay, it's something I could build off of. So, I mean, and of course, I had my moments where I did not have a lot of money, you know what I'm saying? But I was investing all my money I made from dancing into her and then also opened a beauty bar. A couple of them, Casa de Dow. So I opened a beauty bar, you know, where you can get your nails, hair, makeup, clothes, everything.
25:04 Keke Palmer? Yes.
25:05 Speaker 01 There in Columbia, Ohio. And, um, so I was just making money at those different areas and then, you know, I was just being me.
25:16 Keke Palmer? Yes.
25:17 Speaker 01 Letting God lead me and it just happened.
25:19 Keke Palmer? So I was first introduced to you with, you know, when you did the "Two U's." What's, please remind me of that song.
25:24 Speaker 01 For everybody.
25:24 Keke Palmer? For everybody. I could never be. You could never do. You could never win. That was so good. I remember when I saw that, I said, "Now, who is that girl?"
25:35 Speaker 01 That was your last time.
25:36 Keke Palmer? Your time is up.
25:40 Keke Palmer? Girl, when I tell you, when I seen that, I said, "Now, she is that girl." Because I love the theater. I love the theatrics of all of that. So where were you at that time? From the time we're talking about you starting to kick everything off to when I've seen that video, what was the time that had come? What was that moment for you?
25:57 Speaker 01 That was a big moment for me. That changed my life. But everybody changed my life. That song helped me get out of a contract I was stuck in because I was able to make the money. Like, that song changed my whole situation.
26:09 Keke Palmer? Girl.
26:09 Speaker 01 That song... That song.
26:12 Keke Palmer? It was incre- how long did it take you to write that song? Because it was very much like a full storyline. It was like a week. The girls were two personalities and so was, and both of the person, it, it gets to the point with those girls where you were like, I don't know what you want on this.
26:25 Speaker 01 Right, right.
26:26 Keke Palmer? Cause I like what both of them saying.
26:27 Speaker 01 Because at first it was just a side chick. Come on, I like what both of them saying.
26:31 Keke Palmer? You know, I like what both of them saying. I'm not a side chick, I'm not the wife.
26:34 Speaker 01 Cause which one I wanna be today?
26:37 Keke Palmer? Both of the speeches were great. Let me tell you something, cause the side chick was like, I'm able to live my life.
26:43 Speaker 01 Okay, like if she was-
26:44 Keke Palmer? I don't want the man that's forever.
26:45 Speaker 01 And she was so unbothered.
26:47 Keke Palmer? Yes!
26:48 Speaker 01 And it's like the older you get, you realize the side chick really kinda won. Because she don't have the broken heart.
26:55 Keke Palmer? Don't have a broken heart, don't have to just be with just him, got a bunch of options and getting whatever he throwing at her. Okay?
27:02 Speaker 01 I said, well, as you get older, you realize, okay, she's really the girl.
27:09 Keke Palmer? Girl, I love that.
27:10 Speaker 01 The wife pissed.
27:11 Keke Palmer? The wife was like, her speech was good too, but she was like, I'm holding it down, everything is on my name, everything is on my name.
27:16 Speaker 01 And it's like, and at the end of the day, he's still gonna call me when you're done. Bye.
27:22 Keke Palmer? So for everybody hit, everybody gagged.
27:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
27:25 Keke Palmer? And then like how, what did, how did you transform that moment to maintain, obviously, the career that you have?
27:30 Speaker 01 Listen, God.
27:33 Keke Palmer? That's always the right answer.
27:34 Speaker 01 God.
27:35 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
27:35 Speaker 01 Cause I, I didn't have a strategic plan. You know, of course I had a team, you know, of course the team is very important, of the people that's behind you, you know, helping you grow this thing, but, God.
27:47 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
27:48 Speaker 01 I was just vibing.
27:49 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
27:50 Speaker 01 Praying, keeping it pushing.
27:52 Keke Palmer? Being present.
27:52 Speaker 01 Being present and being myself, you know, like, it ain't, it's not, it's not hard. It's hard, of course, to work and, you know, put a lot of into it, but, it's, it's in you, it's in you.
28:05 Keke Palmer? Yeah, you gonna make it work.
28:07 Speaker 01 You gonna make it work. It, it don't matter, like, I'm gonna get up every day and I'm gonna figure this shit out.
28:12 Keke Palmer? That's right.
28:12 Speaker 01 You know what I'm saying, so.
28:13 Keke Palmer? That's right. And I do feel like that's the Midwest. I mean, it ain't no shade, no tittie, nobody else, but like, straight up, you know, like,
28:20 Speaker 01 We got that hustle.
28:21 Keke Palmer? We work hard.
28:22 Speaker 01 We got that hustle, man.
28:23 Keke Palmer? It's not gonna be a day that goes by where we not gonna make it happen.
28:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, especially like when you gotta go and you see it.
28:29 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
28:29 Speaker 01 I can't unsee it. I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get it. And it's gonna get got.
28:33 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
28:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
28:34 Keke Palmer? That's right. Now, I gotta ask you because obviously rap, one of the biggest elements is beefs. Some people love them for the competition factor. I'm curious if you think women are judged the same way as guys when it comes to rap beefs? Like, do you feel like people are more sensitive about what females say to each other in a rap beef than they are with guys?
28:53 Speaker 01 I don't know. I don't ever give a fuck.
28:56 Keke Palmer? Like, meaning you don't give a fuck what nobody say?
28:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
28:59 Keke Palmer? In the rap beef, you feel like it all goes?
29:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
29:02 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
29:03 Speaker 01 It's like, whatever.
29:04 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
29:04 Speaker 01 Like, whether people like it or not, like, the internet just got too, it's too many people that got too many opinions. It, it's like, and I, I realize, like, if, if it costs
29:17 Speaker 01 to comment, a lot of them wouldn't be saying shit. So I'mma just act like that, like, y'all wouldn't even be saying shit if it, if it costs. So your opinion really don't matter. You know?
29:28 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
29:28 Speaker 01 So fuck them.
29:29 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
29:30 Speaker 01 Fuck them. Fuck them.
29:31 Keke Palmer? I like a little rap beef moment. I like when the girls get a chance to do it, but I hate when it feels like people aren't allowing it to be the sport.
29:38 Speaker 01 Right.
29:39 Keke Palmer? You know, like, let it be the sport. I mean, I do get the emotions involved and, you know, whatever you can feel good.
29:44 Speaker 01 Cause I'm gonna do me.
29:45 Keke Palmer? You know what I mean?
29:46 Speaker 01 You not from that way. I'm like, shit, what we gonna do?
29:48 Keke Palmer? That's right.
29:49 Speaker 01 Let's do it.
29:50 Keke Palmer? That's fun. Okay, you talked about how it's important that the man in your life makes you feel soft, okay? I feel like this is like a reoccurring thing with you, like, you're a rapper, but you love R and B down, so I hear that.
29:59 Speaker 01 Love R and B, girl.
30:00 Keke Palmer? Okay.
30:00 Speaker 01 That's what I listen to.
30:01 Keke Palmer? So tell me, how can a guy make you feel soft? What kind of guy is that? Is that a guy that is always opening doors, always?
30:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, like, you gotta make me feel like...
30:16 Speaker 01 You gotta just make me feel girly.
30:18 Keke Palmer? This voice is everything, cause the voice has changed.
30:23 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
30:25 Speaker 01 So.
30:25 Keke Palmer? Yes.
30:26 Speaker 01 See something else, but I'm leaving.
30:29 Keke Palmer? No, cuz now you have to stay forever.
30:32 Speaker 01 Okay, okay.
30:32 Keke Palmer? I feel like the chemistry with us is just too electric.
30:35 Speaker 01 Nah, nah.
30:37 Speaker 01 Okay, we at the mall.
30:38 Keke Palmer? We at the mall.
30:40 Speaker 01 So I just feel like just being a man, like doing the things that men do. And I feel like it's natural for you to just feel like girly, like, okay, you opening up the door and, you know, you hand for the tab and.
30:55 Keke Palmer? And I also feel like that when a guy makes me feel soft is when they let me have it. Let me have it.
31:00 Speaker 01 Just let me have it.
31:00 Keke Palmer? Let me have it.
31:01 Speaker 01 Let me have it. You know what?
31:02 Keke Palmer? You know, let me be.
31:03 Speaker 01 Just let me have my ways. Just give it to me. It's not hard. Like, why are we, who the princess?
31:08 Keke Palmer? Yes. I need to be her.
31:10 Speaker 01 Cuz I out princess. You, ain't nobody about to out princess me. You wanna, oh, you wanna take it there? You wanna rumble with the?
31:16 Keke Palmer? I will literally faint in this.
31:17 Speaker 01 Yeah. You wanna take it there?
31:19 Keke Palmer? Like, seriously.
31:20 Speaker 01 Come get me.
31:20 Keke Palmer? I feel like a lot of times, like, I don't know what that is right now, but a lot of times we're like.
31:25 Speaker 01 Battling.
31:26 Keke Palmer? Battling for the princess role.
31:28 Speaker 01 And it's crazy. So when you get a real.
31:31 Keke Palmer? Like, you could be whatever you want. I'm not saying that you gotta be less sweet or feminine or whatever. Like, it, that, I don't care about that. I'm just saying, like, let me have it sometimes.
31:40 Speaker 01 All the time.
31:41 Keke Palmer? And that's really the truth. I don't know what's going on out here, but that's how you get a, a girl nice and relaxed.
31:46 Speaker 01 Yes, how you get them relaxed and calm. Listen.
31:49 Keke Palmer? Let me have it, cuz the world don't.
31:50 Speaker 01 Like, if I get mad at you, just, just, just, don't act nonchalant. Shalot me.
31:55 Keke Palmer? Shalot.
31:55 Speaker 01 Shalot me.
31:56 Keke Palmer? Get shalot as shalot can be.
31:58 Speaker 01 You better shalot me. You better shalot me.
32:03 Keke Palmer? Girl, when I realize, I'm like, oh, yeah, not, instead of nonchalant, get shalot.
32:07 Speaker 01 Yeah, no, shalot me.
32:08 Keke Palmer? These guys, these brothers gotta get shalot.
32:10 Speaker 01 No, you gotta get up. Yeah, because it's like, now I'm knowing you care. I could be soft with you because you care. I don't have to have my guards up and, and, and, and get masculine with you cuz you think.
32:21 Keke Palmer? And you think it's just the pride thing, like the guy, like it's like.
32:24 Speaker 01 Oh, it's too much pride out here.
32:25 Keke Palmer? It's a lot of pride.
32:25 Speaker 01 It's a lot of pride out here. I, I think a lot of men just wasn't raised by their dads these days.
32:33 Speaker 01 You know? Shalot me. That's our new word.
32:36 Keke Palmer? I'm, I'm, will I tell you that I'm loving that?
32:38 Speaker 01 Shalot.
32:39 Keke Palmer? Me.
32:40 Speaker 01 Shalot me, babe.
32:41 Keke Palmer? Shalot me, babe. That's a new song that I knew from you.
32:43 Speaker 01 Yeah, shalot me.
32:45 Keke Palmer? Shalot me, baby. Shalot me, baby.
32:48 Speaker 01 And I'm a company, you better shalot cuz.
32:52 Keke Palmer? Yeah, the big click. She said, "You better shalotin." Yes!
32:58 Speaker 01 I ain't gon' front, you know?
33:02 Keke Palmer? Girl, I'm obsessed with us.
33:04 Speaker 01 Weird joke.
33:05 Keke Palmer? Weird?
33:06 Speaker 01 I'm leaving.
33:06 Keke Palmer? No, I can't deal with that.
33:08 Speaker 01 It's too good, it's too good.
33:11 Keke Palmer? Now, you also said on Club Che Che, which I live for, because I live by this, that once you get with a man who feeds you and he brings all the food to the table, you give him the power, he gon' starve you. Always make your own money. So how do we balance that, give me that soft life, but also like, I also don't want to be controlled, or, you know? How do we balance not giving somebody all the keys? But also saying, "I'm open to you."
33:33 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm. It's that we can't really talk about it.
33:37 Keke Palmer? I know, that's right.
33:38 Speaker 01 You see what I'm saying? It's like them the conversations you have with your girls, because you can't even just say that. Because it's just something that you can't even say. You just gotta do it, you gotta just feel.
33:49 Keke Palmer? And this is why you're cash, because a lot of people come over here on these podcasts and give all the secrets out.
33:53 Speaker 01 You know what, because it's like, because you already soft and you give them that, but it's like you just also have to just make your own money, and some men like the independence. It's the independence. You know, but it's like something that you just can't say it. You know, like some stuff you can't even say to your man. You can't say that, you just gotta just know.
34:12 Keke Palmer? And my mama, she been married for over thirty years, and she said, "Stop saying everything." She used to say that to me all the time, I'm like, "What do you mean?" She said, "Stop saying everything."
34:20 Speaker 01 Just gotta know, you know? You know what I'm saying? It's true, you feel me, it's true.
34:34 Keke Palmer? Now, obviously, you been getting into this acting bag.
34:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm on my Keke Palmer, girl.
34:38 Keke Palmer? All day.
34:38 Speaker 01 What's up? Because, listen, you a vet.
34:41 Keke Palmer? Stop!
34:41 Speaker 01 Baby, you a lead.
34:43 Keke Palmer? I would love to do something with you. We're gonna put that into the atmosphere.
34:46 Speaker 01 I can't wait, and you know what? I've been meaning to go see that, um, with your sister. Yes, I've been wanting to go see that. The last time I was about to see it, my boo was like, "That's a chick flick, y'all, you gotta go with your friends with that."
34:56 Keke Palmer? And now I'm mad at you, Mr. Man. Because it's good for you too.
35:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, okay.
35:00 Keke Palmer? Period. Now, you said something that I was-
35:02 Speaker 01 Mr. Man.
35:03 Keke Palmer? Mr. Man. He know who I'm talking to. I wanted to talk to you about, you said you'd want to play a drug addict. And I thought that was interesting, because that's a very intense kind of role. What drew you to wanting to do that kind of role?
35:14 Speaker 01 Have you ever did that before?
35:15 Keke Palmer? I've ever played a drug addict? No, I played a pimp once. And I was a cold pimp.
35:21 Speaker 01 What movie?
35:22 Keke Palmer? Pimp. That's what it was called.
35:24 Speaker 01 Really?
35:24 Keke Palmer? I was a pimp named Wednesday.
35:25 Speaker 01 You did your big one?
35:26 Keke Palmer? My daddy was DMX. And I was out here slanging this.
35:29 Speaker 01 Wednesday, he was doing y'all.
35:33 Keke Palmer? Girl, you gotta check it out.
35:35 Speaker 01 I gotta check it out.
35:36 Keke Palmer? Her name was Wednesday, her mama, Aunt Janu Ellis played my mom.
35:40 Speaker 01 Okay.
35:40 Keke Palmer? DMX was my dad. I had a beautiful little girlfriend.
35:43 Speaker 01 Okay, okay. Okay.
35:48 Keke Palmer? I love doing that movie.
35:50 Speaker 01 Yes, okay.
35:51 Keke Palmer? It was probably one of the most transformative roles I've done.
35:54 Speaker 01 And that's what made me say I wanted to do a crackhead.
35:57 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
35:57 Speaker 01 A drug addict.
36:00 Speaker 01 Because, no, for real, because it's just so, it's a big transition. And I just wanted to see if I could do it, you know, I wanted, and I know I can't.
36:09 Keke Palmer? And bringing nuance to that kind of character because I think often.
36:11 Speaker 01 It's just off range.
36:12 Keke Palmer? Drug addicts are often just deemed as boom, you don't talk about the fact that they're dealing with mental health and stuff. There's so much more that brings someone to an addiction that would be a great story to play somebody like that.
36:22 Speaker 01 Exactly.
36:23 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
36:23 Speaker 01 Exactly. Because then it's like, okay, so this is what caused them to be an addict. You know what I'm saying? This is why they keep going to the drugs. This is why, you know, like.
36:34 Keke Palmer? There's more story there. There's always a story to someone that is dealing with addiction.
36:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, and you understand them different.
36:40 Keke Palmer? Said or mentioned. They're just thrown off, especially when you think about the crack epidemic and the crack era. They got branded as, oh, just a crackhead, just a this and that. But it's like, no, no, no, these were people.
36:49 Speaker 01 These are people.
36:50 Keke Palmer? That were dealing with, a lot of times they was putting them people in jail. They deserved to go into an actual system to actually teach them about what was happening with them.
36:56 Speaker 01 See what I'm saying?
36:57 Keke Palmer? They didn't do that.
36:57 Speaker 01 And like even you think about that like with crackheads and with drug addicts, think about bums. How did they actually get to that point? You just say, oh, it's a bum.
37:05 Keke Palmer? Dion House.
37:06 Speaker 01 But, but think about it. To be in a bum and live on a street. Mentally, where, where did that, where, you know, it's a story behind that.
37:15 Keke Palmer? Me and my girl were talking about the other day where we're thinking about people that are unhoused, that choose to be unhoused, or have they found themselves to be unhoused? And how a lot of times, it's like, people be thinking they're crazy, but then it's like, we paying for land that's supposed to be free, so are they crazy? Or are we crazy?
37:31 Speaker 01 Are we crazy?
37:32 Keke Palmer? You know what I mean? And then at that point, you gotta just take a minute.
37:34 Speaker 01 And just say, you know what?
37:35 Keke Palmer? That's when you get too deep into zeitgeist.
37:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, and then you gotta just go, go keep going. And that's why sometimes, you just gotta keep living, like, you know what? Cause then you again, you be thinking about things too hard, and I, and I find myself doing that. Like, when I watch the news and stuff, I be like, I can't, no. Cause some things really just get so deep. And you be so.
37:51 Keke Palmer? And then you realize, damn, we're just trapped in the matrix. Let me just go back to plan.
37:55 Speaker 01 Yeah, and I'ma just go ahead and just live it. God, I love you, thank you, keep leading me, and I'ma just keep living.
38:02 Keke Palmer? Literally.
38:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, like, that's it, yeah.
38:05 Keke Palmer? Now, you, we already talked about, obviously, you and your, um, child's father, Tracy T., y'all broke up and everything. But something that you said that I loved is that, you know, it's important to maintain respect for your ex, because it reflects on you. And I think that's such a powerful perspective that a lot of times, we don't hold when we walk away from a relationship. Like, if I say you crazy, then what was I?
38:24 Speaker 01 It's still a reflection, and that's why I never tried to dog the situation.
38:29 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
38:29 Speaker 01 As I could have.
38:31 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
38:31 Speaker 01 Because I dealt with you, and now the world see what I was dealing with, because you don't know how to keep your P. And all the things I complained about the whole time, now everybody could just see it. You could just see it. You know, and that's just what's sad about that situation, but I still got respect, because at the end of the day, those are my kids' fault. That, I got two kids. You know, so, hey.
38:57 Keke Palmer? And I see y'all had them matching captions. What is it? He did that video, and then you put that caption. What was the caption?
39:03 Speaker 01 I forgot.
39:04 Keke Palmer? I was like, okay, so it's cool. I mean, I always wanted to be cool, so when I saw that, that made me happy, because I feel like it's cool. Even though it's crazy, it's cool.
39:13 Speaker 01 And that's, you know, and that's just the process of the breakups and the, you know how that go, man? And we are, we're still human, and, um, we still have feelings.
39:24 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
39:25 Speaker 01 You know, like, so, it be like, I be trying to keep it. As much as I can. Cause at the end of the day, I'm still human, you know what I'm saying? But I don't, I just, I just wish him the best, man. I hope he get it together so he can be rife.
39:40 Keke Palmer? Yeah, yeah. So, you're the oldest of five siblings. You're the oldest.
39:45 Speaker 01 I'm the oldest of six.
39:46 Keke Palmer? Six? I'm the middle child. But I gotta ask, how was it like growing up as the older sibling? You had to take care of your siblings a lot?
39:55 Speaker 01 I'm like the second mom. So that's why I get a lot of that nurturing from, because my mom was always at work. My dad passed on my first birthday. So, I was at home, I had to get my sisters ready for school, cook, make sure everybody, if one person come home without the group, we all would get in trouble. So I just had to wait at the corner for everybody to come out. And, okay, we all walk home together, make sure everybody eat, take their uniform off when they get in. It was like I was the second mom, until my mom came home.
40:25 Keke Palmer? Yeah, I remember you talking about, I don't know what interview, but talking about how you felt like, even though you didn't have your dad in your life, you don't know how much different you would be had you had him.
40:36 Keke Palmer? But I'm curious if you feel like that made you more on your toes. The reason why I ask, cause I feel like sometimes with being raised by my dad, and my dad's great, my, my uncles are great. But I didn't really have, I think, a full view of how men could be because of how they treated me. They were so, I don't wanna say coddling, but I definitely didn't get that always in the real world. So I'm wondering if not having your dad kinda prepared you for what could come? That make sense?
41:01 Speaker 01 I never thought about it like that, you know, and I, and I don't know, cause I just didn't have him. So it's like, all I know is, you know, I know that he was spiritually with me. You know, and I know that he protect me spiritually. It was a lot of things that happened to me, and I'd be like, how the hell did I come up out of that? Um, I used to do some crazy things, and I used to be like, that was my dad, you know? So, I just look at it like that and I didn't have nobody to baby me, you know, as a little girl that spoiled. So it's like, you know, I had to hustle. Get what I want. I didn't have daddy. I want a new car.
41:38 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
41:38 Speaker 01 No, I had to get my first car. You know what I'm saying?
41:41 Keke Palmer? But I'm sure that's what's made you who you are. I mean, nobody wants to say that loss made them who they are. No one wants that, you know what I mean? But I feel things happen in mysterious ways.
41:49 Speaker 01 Yeah, and I think so too, because it's like him, him being with me spiritually got me in some places, you know, and it protect me from a lot of things too, so I think it was, it was meant.
42:03 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
42:03 Speaker 01 It sucked to say that, but.
42:05 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
42:05 Speaker 01 It is what it is.
42:06 Keke Palmer? It is what it is.
42:07 Speaker 01 It is what it is, yeah.
42:08 Keke Palmer? You rose to prominence along with a lot of amazing female rappers, a big wave of them. And you talked about how you feel like, you know, you're a part of making history with these female rappers, which I would agree. What do you think your role was in this wave?
42:23 Speaker 01 I'd say just that Midwest. Yeah, just that Midwest swag, that D-girl swag, that hair, them trends, the setting them trends, setting that makeup trend, the swag, but this, this.
42:37 Keke Palmer? Very player.
42:38 Speaker 01 I'm a, I'm a real life player. I be chilling.
42:40 Keke Palmer? Yeah, for sure.
42:41 Speaker 01 You know, and I keep it like that, and that's just who I am. So I feel like I give them, them vibes, you know, that's the role I played, like that girl.
42:47 Keke Palmer? Yeah, that, very much that girl.
42:49 Speaker 01 That girl.
42:50 Keke Palmer? What would you, I know it's hard because you're still creating your legacy, but what would you want your legacy to mean? Whether or not even just in rap, but in general as an entertainer?
42:59 Speaker 01 Just, you know what, I ain't there yet.
43:02 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
43:02 Speaker 01 I ain't there yet. I, I just wanna, I wanna keep on.
43:06 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
43:06 Speaker 01 Yeah. I'm gonna answer that later.
43:09 Keke Palmer? Well, Cash, I love you keeping on.
43:11 Speaker 01 I love you.
43:11 Keke Palmer? And I'm so happy that you came to the mall with me.
43:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, we went to the mall, girl. We went to go get our nails done. We got some Chipotle. We about to go, listen, we had a good time.
43:20 Keke Palmer? But before I let you go.
43:22 Speaker 01 Uh-oh.
43:23 Keke Palmer? I have to play a game with you because I play a game with all my guests, okay? And this one is called Cash In or Cash Out. Okay, I'm gonna give you some possible cash commandments.
43:31 Speaker 01 Okay.
43:31 Keke Palmer? Based on your song, and if you agree with the commandment, say cash in, and if you don't, say cash out.
43:37 Speaker 01 Okay, okay.
43:38 Keke Palmer? Okay, here we go. Always negotiate your bag, never accept the first offer. Cash in or cash out?
43:44 Speaker 01 Cash in.
43:44 Keke Palmer? Here you go. Going fifty-fifty on the first day, cash in or cash out?
43:48 Speaker 01 Cash out. Cash the fuck out.
43:51 Keke Palmer? Love conquers all, even if he's broke. Cash in or cash out?
43:59 Speaker 01 Next question.
44:01 Keke Palmer? If your friend needs money, always help if you can. Cash in or cash out?
44:07 Speaker 01 Cash out.
44:08 Keke Palmer? Woo! She don't play about her damn coin.
44:11 Speaker 01 I mean, if they need money, like, for what? Like, if they need money and they in a bond, I'm gonna look out. But, like, just need money, just so, so you, no.
44:19 Keke Palmer? That's fair. You need to know what you're giving.
44:21 Speaker 01 I need to know, so that's cash in and cash out. Like, what is the money for?
44:25 Keke Palmer? Yeah, yeah. I'm, I'm fine with that.
44:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
44:27 Keke Palmer? Let some shit slide, even when it's disrespectful. Cash in or cash?
44:32 Speaker 01 Cause you slide, you know, when you slide, they cha-cha. And now you slide to the left. Take it back now, y'all.
44:40 Keke Palmer? You can't be a boss if you sleep past noon. Cash in or cash out?
44:45 Speaker 01 Cash in. You can sleep past noon.
44:47 Keke Palmer? Come on, that's what I'm saying. Like, I got, I was at work all night.
44:49 Speaker 01 Right, like, let me sleep. Cause my job twenty-four seven.
44:52 Keke Palmer? Guess what I'm saying?
44:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, like, let me, aw, cash in.
44:55 Keke Palmer? Period. If a man wants you, he needs to apply pressure. Cash in or cash out?
45:00 Speaker 01 Cash the fuck in.
45:01 Keke Palmer? I need you to shalot me.
45:03 Speaker 01 Show me shalot it.
45:05 Keke Palmer? Fast.
45:06 Speaker 01 You better shalot me.
45:08 Keke Palmer? Yes! Yes! If your friend got beef, you got beef too. Cash in or cash out?
45:16 Speaker 01 Cash in.
45:16 Keke Palmer? Okay!
45:17 Speaker 01 Cash in, I'm going, I'm riding by mine. Who we, who we beefing with? What she say?
45:21 Keke Palmer? I hate her.
45:22 Speaker 01 Okay, I hate her. Because you know what? You know your friend. And you know your friend is a good person, so if she beefing with you, you did something.
45:28 Keke Palmer? My best friend, the moment that someone does something weird to her or give weird energy, I immediately done with them.
45:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm done.
45:35 Keke Palmer? She may even have a delayed reaction. I said, I knew they weren't shit there.
45:38 Speaker 01 I'm done.
45:39 Keke Palmer? When they looked at you crazy.
45:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
45:40 Keke Palmer? That's when they were done.
45:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, mhm.
45:42 Keke Palmer? Okay, last one.
45:43 Speaker 01 Okay, best friend.
45:43 Keke Palmer? Never let, yeah, I don't play about her. Never let them see you sweat. Stay unbothered at all times. Cash in or cash out?
45:50 Speaker 01 Cash in.
45:51 Keke Palmer? Period, cause we ain't never seen my girl sweat.
45:53 Speaker 01 I ain't doing none of that.
45:55 Keke Palmer? That was the line. I ain't doing none of that.
45:58 Speaker 01 Okay.
46:00 Keke Palmer? You're amazing.
46:01 Speaker 01 Thank you. No, you are amazing. I had a good time.
46:04 Keke Palmer? I had a fucking vibe.
46:05 Speaker 01 You play too much, too. Had me up here talking about all my business.
46:08 Keke Palmer? We was kicking our feet.
46:11 Keke Palmer? You are too, mom. I just love you, mom.
46:21 Keke Palmer? You guys already know what time it is. Welcome to my new favorite part of the show. We're calling it Palmer Knows Best. And it's a space where we keep it real. We keep it fun and we keep it a little messy, but in a good way. Now, listen, when it comes to life's biggest questions, money, love, friendships, and all that drama in between, who better to ask than a woman who's seen it all, lived it all, and sure ain't afraid to tell it all? Hey Sharon.
46:44 Speaker 02 Hello, how are you?
46:46 Keke Palmer? I'm good. I'm excited to ask you about these questions this week.
46:49 Speaker 02 Alright, bring them on.
46:51 Keke Palmer? Okay, here we go.
46:54 Keke Palmer? "One of my coworkers seems to have a crush on me, but she's never actually said anything. She invites me to dinner, hangs around my desk, and apparently got jealous when I brought my friend, who happens to be an ex, to a group dinner. Her whole team is convinced she's into me. They've even pulled me aside to tell me I need to sort the situation out. Here's the thing, I have a strict no dating coworkers policy, but I also value our friendship. Some say I should explicitly reject her. Others say I should ghost her outside of work hours. Both options seem pretty awkward since she's never actually confessed any feelings. How do I handle this without making the office weird? Help." Well, if she's never expressed any feelings, what do you think?
47:39 Speaker 02 Okay, is this a man?
47:40 Keke Palmer? Yeah, this is a man.
47:41 Speaker 02 So this is a man? Oh wow. I guess, sounds like she waiting on him. I mean, you know, maybe she's old fashioned and she's just, she's doing everything she can to send him the signals that she's waiting on him to ask her out.
47:58 Keke Palmer? But he's not going to.
48:00 Speaker 02 Why isn't he going?
48:01 Keke Palmer? Because he doesn't believe in dating coworkers.
48:03 Speaker 02 Oh, well, she should have had luck then. I mean...
48:08 Speaker 02 I mean, you know, to me, it just depends on what their job is. Like, if they're working in an office building, you know, in an office building, in an office space like the social social security office or something like that, I wouldn't date in those circumstances. But if they're in the entertainment field, yeah, I mean.
48:25 Keke Palmer? Either way, he don't want to date nobody he works with. And I think, obviously, he also doesn't like her.
48:30 Speaker 02 That's what I'm saying.
48:32 Keke Palmer? You know what I'm saying? He don't need to say he don't like her. He can hide behind the whole dating policy if he wants, gag.
48:38 Speaker 02 Right.
48:39 Keke Palmer? Either way, he doesn't like her because if somebody really likes you, they're damn near quits a job to date you. You know what I'm saying? If that was really that deep. So I feel like the real truth is he doesn't like her. And I don't love when people don't like somebody and they don't tell them they don't like them when they know they don't like them. Now, there's a way you go about it.
48:59 Speaker 02 People do that.
49:00 Keke Palmer? Because they like the attention.
49:02 Speaker 02 I did that to a guy.
49:05 Speaker 02 I did that to a guy and I often thought about, why did I do that? Because I needed a ride. And he had a car. And so I wanted that ride.
49:16 Keke Palmer? That's messed up, Sharon.
49:17 Speaker 02 I got that ride, though.
49:24 Speaker 02 And I knew he liked me, but I needed the ride. So I didn't have to do anything for the ride. So he was safe, so there you go. Yeah. So.
49:40 Keke Palmer? So dang, so what do you think?
49:42 Speaker 02 I think it's what you said, he don't really like her that much, because if he did.
49:46 Keke Palmer? He should tell her. My thoughts is, I don't know that you should tell her.
49:49 Speaker 02 He can tell her.
49:50 Keke Palmer? Because she hasn't said it.
49:51 Speaker 02 Because she hasn't said anything, and that's.
49:53 Keke Palmer? You know what he should tell her? That he should find a way to have a conversation where he could say, I don't date people at work.
49:59 Speaker 02 Yeah.
50:00 Keke Palmer? And that'll give it a message.
50:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, or.
50:02 Keke Palmer? All of a sudden, she quits her job.
50:02 Speaker 02 Or show up with a woman he does like.
50:05 Keke Palmer? Well, he did.
50:06 Speaker 02 But it was his ex, right? Yeah.
50:09 Keke Palmer? Obviously still something going on with you two. Who hangs out with their ex that they're not still sleeping with?
50:13 Speaker 02 Yeah, he should just, oh, he can tell another person at the job.
50:17 Keke Palmer? To tell her?
50:18 Speaker 02 Yeah, she's nice, but I'm not into her, you know? Or I'm not feeling her, but you know, it sounds like though, he, he want a ride though. It's probably something she doing at that job.
50:28 Keke Palmer? She talking him up, she encouraging his work. Todd did great this week.
50:32 Speaker 02 Exactly.
50:33 Keke Palmer? Stuff like that.
50:33 Speaker 02 So he wants the ride.
50:34 Keke Palmer? He wants the benefit.
50:35 Speaker 02 Just like I got, yeah. That's right.
50:37 Keke Palmer? Yeah, he should tell her. Okay. I'm having major anxiety about my boyfriend's family situation, ugh.
50:44 Speaker 02 I told you.
50:45 Keke Palmer? That is too much.
50:46 Speaker 02 Their families is crazy.
50:47 Keke Palmer? We've been together for two years, but every time I visit his house, I'm like, I'm about to jump out of my skin. Last Thanksgiving, I literally threw up on the car ride home. That's how bad my nerves get. He lives with his family, who are super formal and traditional, while my family is more, let's say, eccentric. He keeps pushing me to spend more time at his place and even sleep over, but the thought of staying in his parents' house makes me want to crawl under a rock. He's getting frustrated that I keep avoiding visits, but he doesn't seem to understand that this isn't just me being difficult. I'm having full-on anxiety attacks. So I just suck it up to make him happy? Or is there a way to make him understand how much this affects me? I mean, you threw up on the way home, who knows?
51:26 Speaker 02 I'm gonna tell you right now, because I hear this all the damn time.
51:29 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
51:30 Speaker 02 And the reality of it is, he sought that woman out for a reason. He don't want all that formal shit either. He don't.
51:38 Keke Palmer? And he, but he wants her to be going through the drama of it with him, because he doesn't want to be in it alone.
51:44 Speaker 02 Exactly.
51:45 Keke Palmer? So he's putting her through it, so he has a friend there.
51:47 Speaker 02 That's it, but I don't, this is what, I guess something is wrong with me. I don't understand why all you young people are dating, and you feel like you gotta, uh, have this relationship with each other's parents. Who the fuck cares? I mean, really, you're not dating their parents. And for them to try to make you like their mother or make their father, that's just ridiculous to me.
52:11 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
52:12 Speaker 02 It really is, you, you guys gotta make a life on your own.
52:15 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
52:15 Speaker 02 You gotta get along and learn how to communicate and respect each other on your own. What does it matter what his big mouth mama got to say? You know what I mean? That's just crazy. What does it matter? And I do think this is a boy-girl thing. I do. I think women have a much easier time of telling our parents.
52:36 Keke Palmer? Well, because I think in the patriarchy, under the concept of whatever friggin' social constructs there are, women are taught that one day you'll leave the home and you'll go and you'll make it.
52:46 Speaker 02 Make your own family.
52:47 Keke Palmer? Yeah, but guys is kinda like, no, no, no, you always stay. Like, they want, they feel, it becomes this thing. You know what I mean? Where it becomes this difficulty to step out and really say, hey, I've got my own wife and kids and a family of my own. Like, I don't know. It's a weird, different dynamic there that can sometimes be hard to transition out of.
53:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's harder for men to walk away. And this is the thing. Nobody's telling anyone to leave your family. No, nobody, I would never tell anybody I was dating or even back in the day when I was dating, um, I don't like your family, leave your family. I would never say that to anyone. I would just say, I don't wanna be around your family.
53:27 Keke Palmer? Mm-hmm.
53:27 Speaker 02 I do not wanna be around your family. If you feel you wanna go hang out with them, you go ahead on and hang out with them. But they're not my style. They don't seem to respect me. I know you love your parents. I encourage that.
53:42 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
53:43 Speaker 02 But, you know, when I got married, I didn't really get along with your father's family.
53:47 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
53:47 Speaker 02 There was no contention. I didn't have anxiety. They just were totally different people. They like to, you know, lounge around and play cards and they were very close and loving. And my family, we were go-getters. We were like, oh, out the house and running and you know what I mean? Just different energy. Different, not bad people, different energy.
54:09 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
54:09 Speaker 02 So I didn't like going over his mother's house 'cause it seemed like every time I was there, it was like, huh, blah, blah. We were just laying around, eating, overeating, doing a bunch of stuff like that. And that was cool. When it was cool, when it wasn't, it wasn't. And I told him several times, I'm not going over your mother's house today and play cards. And, and you know, overindulge, I'm not doing it today. And he said, okay.
54:35 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
54:36 Speaker 02 So that's what you gotta be working for. You gotta be working for a partner that says, okay.
54:40 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
54:41 Speaker 02 I'm not gonna force you to be around my family and their different energy and their different vibe. I'm not gonna do it, cuz you know what will help? If you as a partner, tell that other partner, I'm not gonna force you.
54:54 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
54:54 Speaker 02 You come at your own pace.
54:56 Keke Palmer? That's right.
54:57 Speaker 02 Then you'll start finding ways to like the family because you're not being forced.
55:02 Keke Palmer? Yeah, you'll, you'll do it on your own terms. But I like what you said there. It's about, partnering is about finding people that respect your boundaries. And if you don't wanna go over there, she shouldn't have to go over there.
55:12 Speaker 02 Right. Doesn't make you a bad person?
55:14 Keke Palmer? No. Okay.
55:17 Keke Palmer? Next one. I'm reeling from a bombshell I just discovered about my fiance, and I need some advice ASAP. We've been together for four years, engaged for one, and I thought everything was perfect. I even booked our dream wedding venue before he proposed. What? Okay.
55:39 Keke Palmer? Girl? I even, I mean, did you hear that? I even booked our dream wedding venue before he proposed?
55:45 Speaker 02 Yeah.
55:46 Keke Palmer? Okay, she's, she's a psychic. But here's the kicker. I recently found out he's been catfishing other men online using my photos.
55:58 Keke Palmer? That's right.
56:00 Keke Palmer? He's been posing as me, sending my intimate pictures to strangers, and having romantic conversations with multiple guys. I immediately broke off the engagement, but now I'm stuck with a bunch of non-refundable wedding deposits and some friends telling me I might have overreacted. Oh, and I haven't told my parents why I called it off. Because how do you even begin to explain this mess? Am I crazy for ending things over this? Should I hear him out? And how on earth do I move forward from here? What kind of friends does she have?
56:29 Speaker 02 She should get rid of them friends.
56:30 Keke Palmer? What kind of friends does she have?
56:31 Speaker 02 Um, very silly.
56:33 Keke Palmer? They're silly as shit.
56:35 Speaker 02 Very silly friends, and no, you did not overreact.
56:38 Keke Palmer? They're gaslighting me. Because now I'm wondering, is this a modern day marriage issue?
56:41 Speaker 02 No, um, he has some issues. Um, and I think the biggest thing is that he's very duplicitous. He's acting very sneaky, and he's doing weird stuff. And I don't know what the answer to what he's doing.
56:54 Keke Palmer? Right.
56:54 Speaker 02 But I do know the answer to how she tells her parents. She sits them down and she tells them. She just goes, hey, I'm really experiencing something right now. And let me just tell you what I'm going through.
57:05 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
57:06 Speaker 02 And give her parents, um, the ability to help her. Because a lot of times, we hide things from parents. Because we're ashamed. We're embarrassed, and we think, oh, my god, they're gonna ask me a hundred questions. But sometimes, parents surprise you. And they might just hug her. And they might just say, it's okay if you lose a deposit. I'll loan, I'll help you with that, or, I, you know, you know. They'll get, they'll say encouraging things. Every time that I ever went to my mother, you know, where I just really had to just go to her because I needed money, or I needed something, I would always get myself ready for her to say something bad. I'm like, oh, she gonna say something really bad. And it would be the most loving thing. It would be the most loving experience.
57:49 Speaker 02 And I was like, wow, I could have asked her this two days ago.
57:52 Keke Palmer? Yeah.
57:52 Speaker 02 You know?
57:53 Keke Palmer? I mean, I agree with you. I feel like as I've gotten older, I've told you and dad more things about what I'm going through, what's happening with me, and you guys give me such great feedback and wisdom. You know what I mean? With dealing with things. I think sometimes we think our parents are so outside of what we experience in today's time as well. We kind of age them out. Like, she might think, my parents don't know catfishing, my, but they understand what it's like to be lied to.
58:16 Speaker 02 They understand what it's, yes.
58:18 Keke Palmer? You know what I'm saying?
58:18 Speaker 02 They understand what it's like to be lied to. They understand what it's like that she feels embarrassed, man. They damn sure understand what it's like to lose money. On things that you can't get back. And me, I would sue his ass. I would say, hey, you did all this crazy shit.
58:34 Keke Palmer? I love that.
58:34 Speaker 02 And now, I'm not, definitely not gonna marry your ass. So, we gonna, you have to give me half of this stuff back. I'll see your ass in people's court, divorce court, or whatever court.
58:44 Keke Palmer? I love that one.
58:45 Speaker 02 Yeah, because that's crazy what he did. There's no excuse. I don't even know.
58:50 Keke Palmer? And you stole my identity, and it's against the law for you to share my intimate photos.
58:55 Speaker 02 And you're pretending to be a woman.
59:02 Keke Palmer? Sharon, I'm out.
59:04 Speaker 02 Yeah, I mean, there's nothing wrong with that, just dress and come on out. Be, and be, date me, and that, that sneaking the hide shit is what's crazy, you know? Yeah.
59:15 Keke Palmer? Thanks, Mom. You're the best.
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59:52 Keke Palmer? Baby This Is Keke Palmer is hosted and executive produced by me, Keke Palmer. Lucas Segal is our post-producer. Music supervisor is Scott Velazquez. Our original theme song was written and performed by me, Keke Palmer. For Team Kiki, my producer is Sharon Palmer. For Wondery, our managing producer is Olivia Fonte. Senior producers are Tristan McNeil and Candace Monriquez-Rin. Our executive producers are Emily Feldbrake, Dave Easton, Erin O'Flaherty, and Marshall Louie.
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