Mom's Car: Minka Kelly

On this week’s episode of Mom’s Car we welcome Minka Kelly (Ransom Canyon, Friday Night Lights, Parenthood). Minka, Dax, and Best Friend Aaron Weakley talk through putting your darkest secrets in a book, revisiting the peep show where you once worked, the relief of no longer being the young cheerleader on set, finding a partner whose suck matches your suck, why a proper joint beats a gummy, and Dax’s escalating toothpick addiction. Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://www.allstate.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Dax Shepard?

  Welcome to Mom's Car. I'm Dax Shepard. I'm Karen Stinkley. And today we have everyone's dream girl, Lila Garrity. Um, my friend Minka Kelly, of course, we became friends on Parenthood. She had the most incredible episode of Armchair Expert with her incredible book. And then you probably have been most recently consuming her in the very, very tasty Ransom Canyon. Yes. Erin and I's favorite new show. Love it. Please enjoy Minka Kelly. This episode is brought to you by Allstate. Checking Allstate first could save you hundreds on car insurance. Not checking the dress code at the new restaurant? Showing up in sandals and getting turned away at the door? No fun at all. Yeah, checking first is always a good move. So check Allstate first for an auto quote.

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• 1:34Speaker 01

  Is this candy?

• 1:35Dax Shepard?

  That's for you.

• 1:36Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:37Dax Shepard?

  We've learned that you like Twizzlers.

• 1:39Speaker 01

  Oh my God, that's really cute.

• 1:41Dax Shepard?

  And you like Jolly Ranchers.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  I love both of them.

• 1:44Dax Shepard?

  You love both of them.

• 1:46Speaker 01

  That's really cute.

• 1:48Dax Shepard?

  What's your favorite Jolly Rancher flavor?

• 1:50Speaker 01

  Watermelon or apple.

• 1:51Dax Shepard?

  Okay, those aren't bad. Watermelon and apple?

• 1:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, those are the best ones.

• 1:55Dax Shepard?

  Those are good. Um.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  What are yours?

• 1:57Dax Shepard?

  Watermelon's very nice. Um, I like, there's like an apricot one? Is that peach? Peach is smoking.

• 2:04Speaker 01

  Oh, I didn't know we were going into tropical flavors.

• 2:07Dax Shepard?

  The full canon of Jolly Ranchers, I gotta go with probably peach.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  Peach is a good, I love peach, anything.

• 2:13Dax Shepard?

  First and foremost, where were you coming from? That you were so late.

• 2:17Speaker 01

  Therapy.

• 2:17Dax Shepard?

  Wonderful. Wonderful. That was one of my questions. Let me turn on my Uber Eats app.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  So I'm in a super good mood now.

• 2:26Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay, good.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:28Dax Shepard?

  It can go either way, right?

• 2:29Speaker 01

  I don't know, it could go either way. Today's a good day.

• 2:32Dax Shepard?

  I was wondering when I looked up your birthday today. You're June 24th, 1980?

• 2:36Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:36Dax Shepard?

  I was wondering, I wonder if she's a Cancer because I really do well with Cancers.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  And you're a Capricorn?

• 2:42Dax Shepard?

  I'm a Capricorn, which again, I don't know what that means.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  I don't know anything about Capricorn.

• 2:46Dax Shepard?

  Oh, but is that to say you don't know a ton about astrology in general?

• 2:49Speaker 01

  Well, I just know the ones that relate well to me.

• 2:52Dax Shepard?

  Yes, yes.

• 2:53Speaker 01

  Or that I have a lot of friends that are Pisces.

• 2:56Dax Shepard?

  Okay, what's the hallmarks of Pisces?

• 2:58Speaker 01

  They're also water sign and they're also super intuitive and a little bit clairvoyant and something about the emotionality of the two work really well together.

• 3:08Dax Shepard?

  Well, my wife is a Cancer.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:12Dax Shepard?

  And my soulmate best friend is a Cancer.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 3:14Dax Shepard?

  And my friend Minka's a Cancer.

• 3:15Speaker 01

  I guess I need more Capricorns in my life.

• 3:17Dax Shepard?

  Dax allows him some cancers. Yeah, I've never met a Cancer.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that.

• 3:23Dax Shepard?

  Sorry, Minka. Don't worry, don't worry. We have to pick up first.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah. Um, my first question for you is, yeah, we talked three years ago. That's when you were on the show.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  He just said that.

• 3:35Dax Shepard?

  I finally listened to it, embarrassingly enough, yesterday. Yeah, but all to say, that was three years ago, you were promoting your book.

• 3:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:42Dax Shepard?

  You had had the experience of it coming out and then having to go around and talk about it.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:47Dax Shepard?

  And then that was, I'm sure, its own journey. Where are we at like three years later? What's, what's it like three years after writing a book like that?

• 3:54Speaker 01

  The thing I feel the most, it's hard to articulate the feeling of sort of a weight being lifted.

• 4:00Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  I sort of think of it like when your therapist tells you to journal every day. It's for a reason and imagine journaling to the extent of what it takes to write a book like that.

• 4:13Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 4:13Speaker 01

  And while simultaneously in therapy and then sharing the therapy and unpacking, oh, this behavior of mine is because of this moment. And that's like the most intense sort of journaling one can do.

• 4:25Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, like you have a real roadmap.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:28Dax Shepard?

  Of how you ended up where you're at.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  So there's sort of a freedom and I'm not sure if it's the book or just being in my 40s that has given me a little bit more sort of comfort in my skin or less worried about being judged by a thing or not.

• 4:42Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, lighter?

• 4:44Speaker 01

  Lighter, yeah.

• 4:45Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, because when we talked, I was saying my hope for you and for me, if I complete mine, is that I don't have to keep it in my head anymore, that it can just exist safely there and then I can kind of let go of it.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:56Dax Shepard?

  And now you're like kind of three years out, so I'm curious, has that been the case? Like, do you find that you're less, I don't want to say controlled by your past, but, but maybe that?

• 5:04Speaker 01

  I was carrying a lot of it. There were so many secrets and like things that I was afraid to ever share because you would find me unlovable or unlikable and all these like little tangled up bits about me that have only been met with so much empathy or, oh my God, I feel so seen, me too. I experienced this. We had such different lives, but a very similar thing. And it's just been, I've been met with so much connection that it's sort of empowered me in a way.

• 5:36Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 5:36Speaker 01

  And made me feel proud of myself because what I've been mirrored back is, is that Uber Eats?

• 5:44Dax Shepard?

  No, we're already on the, on the, on the prowl. I do wonder what that was. I was like, are we actively in a car accident and I'm missing it? Yeah, but I think, yeah, your fear is, oh, I'd be unlovable if people knew this about me. And then the fact that the opposite's true is so mind blowing, right? That like, oh my God, I'm more lovable that people know all this about me?

• 6:03Speaker 01

  This guy was talking about his shame about having slept with a prostitute.

• 6:10Dax Shepard?

  Sure.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  And I was like, that's okay. God, we all, whatever. I also was in a, I was in a peep show.

• 6:18Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  And like, I've also had to do what I, not that you did that for survival, but like.

• 6:23Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  But whatever, you know?

• 6:25Dax Shepard?

  To regulate for whatever thing you have that needs regulation.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  I was met with so much disgust and I was so shocked that he was just like, you what?

• 6:34Dax Shepard?

  Oh, really? Oh, gosh, and right on the.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  Minka, you could have done anything. And I was like, no, I couldn't have. What are you, wait, what's happening? And it was, I was.

• 6:45Dax Shepard?

  And it was after you'd already shown empathy towards him.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was trying to reassure him that he's not gross or bad or like.

• 6:52Dax Shepard?

  Defective or ruined.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  I was like, I could do one better.

• 6:56Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:57Speaker 01

  Then it was like not met with like, oh, wow, that's really horrible. It was like, ew, you're disgusting.

• 7:02Dax Shepard?

  Oh, no. Oh, my.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was, so you know. The book made me feel differently.

• 7:09Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  You know, people's response to really understanding that at that age, in that scenario, you really just do what you have to do to survive.

• 7:18Dax Shepard?

  Right, right.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  And we don't shame anybody for that.

• 7:21Dax Shepard?

  I'm so happy to hear that. I've done a lot of journaling in the past years since I got sober and tried to. And I'm like, I can be so embarrassed about my journaling.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:29Dax Shepard?

  Once it gets on paper, I throw it away because I'm like, okay, I got it out. You don't want it to find. I'm so scared.

• 7:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:37Dax Shepard?

  Someone would read it.

• 7:38Speaker 01

  That keeps me from writing too sometimes. You're like, I don't want this. What if someone reads this?

• 7:42Dax Shepard?

  Well, you do think what complicates it a little bit is like when you have kids. So I have kids and I have 22 years of journaling every day. And so they're gonna inherit like the size of this van. You know, during the fires, it was like the only thing I was grabbing and I was like, Jesus, this is a lot of fucking journals on, you know, a car we're gonna take. But at any rate, likely they'll never even look at it because who's really that interested in their parents? But I don't care if they look or I encourage them to look if they want to know who I am. And so post kids, yeah, I'll be writing and it does cross my mind like, okay, so my daughters will read this.

• 8:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:17Dax Shepard?

  And, uh, yeah, okay, they'll read this. It hasn't really stopped me much.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's good. I've never thought of it that way. It's a beautiful way to, for your kids to know you one day, I think. The real person, I guess my fear sometimes of someone reading it is a stranger and someone judging me.

• 8:34Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you do have the added, like when we stay at hotels, of course, I travel with my journal. And then one of the reasons I never let them clean the room is I'm like, I don't know. On the 1% chance they saw that it's me and they know who I am, I'll tell you for damn sure. If I was a housekeeper and I Nick Cage had his journal out, I'd be walking, reading every page of that.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:55Dax Shepard?

  And then I'm like, oh yeah, was this potentially a story? So that crosses my mind.

• 9:00Speaker 01

  Are we delivering here?

• 9:01Dax Shepard?

  I think we're, no, we're picking up. And I deliver. And we pick up things other than food because.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  Food. What restaurant are we in?

• 9:07Dax Shepard?

  Flowers.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 9:08Dax Shepard?

  Oh, look at these berries. Gorgeous. They will fit in the Uber Eats bag though. Oh, okay. Hydrangeas. Um, in the back. Give me on the floor here. And we got another one while we're in there, another pickup. Okay, hydrangeas are my favorite, Minka. I have been tattooed on my.

• 9:25Speaker 01

  Hydrangeas are my favorite too.

• 9:25Dax Shepard?

  Oh my gosh, my wife, Ruthie, she went hydrangea crazy the last two years. And now she's drying them out and they're all over the inside of the house. We're in Michigan, so they will not last all year. And the neighbor has now said, you can take mine too. So there's. You have Minka's lavender farm happening? Oh my God, from Ransom Canyon, yes. So Ransom Canyon, so Erin and I started watching it.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  Oh, you did?

• 9:52Dax Shepard?

  We loved it. We went back last night for another one.

• 9:59Dax Shepard?

  Plowing through them, we love them. And I have so many questions. First of all, it's set in Texas. So then I was like, oh God, is she back in Austin? Like, is she staying in Austin?

• 10:09Speaker 01

  I wish.

• 10:10Dax Shepard?

  But then I looked it up and you're in Albuquerque. And I was like, oh my gosh, if I had to go shoot a show in our hometown where we grew up, I just, I can't even imagine the million things that I would be experiencing. Has it been complicated or interesting or?

• 10:24Speaker 01

  Not as complicated as I thought it would be. So the first season, I was so worried about it being complicated that I got a house in Santa Fe.

• 10:32Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay, right. And committed to commuting like. Forty-five minutes or whatever.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  An hour and fifteen.

• 10:36Dax Shepard?

  Oh.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  Cause the studio is in Albuquerque. It's like an hour and fifteen minute drive. Where we shot my house was thirty minutes past Santa Fe.

• 10:45Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  So they were like, we're gonna probably be shooting half and half at your house and the studios. So I was like, okay, then it makes sense. I'll live in Santa Fe.

• 10:53Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  And it turns out we shot mostly at the studios and so I was doing that hour fifteen commute each way every day. And that was superb.

• 11:02Dax Shepard?

  That's rough.

• 11:02Speaker 01

  And I would drive by the place where I did the peep show thing.

• 11:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 11:08Speaker 01

  And I would see that all the time.

• 11:09Dax Shepard?

  How does that go?

• 11:10Speaker 01

  Really sad.

• 11:11Dax Shepard?

  Driving by that every, yeah.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  Cause it's all dilapidated. It's just like nothing now. And I even went inside. I had my friend Vez was with me once and we went inside.

• 11:19Dax Shepard?

  Did it match your memory?

• 11:21Speaker 01

  Not at all.

• 11:22Dax Shepard?

  It didn't? In what ways?

• 11:23Speaker 01

  It was complete. I don't know if it was renovated.

• 11:26Dax Shepard?

  I doubt it, but.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  I mean, it was, it was all bright and white and smelled of bleach and like, you know.

• 11:34Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  And it just seemed so much smaller.

• 11:36Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  And seedier.

• 11:39Dax Shepard?

  Oh, worse. Cause I could almost imagine like when you were young and you were there, it must have been terrifying on some level.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  Totally terrifying.

• 11:47Dax Shepard?

  And then if you went there as like an empowered, everything worked out, you got your shit sorted. You might go like, oh, this isn't that terrible, but it wa- it was, it was bad.

• 11:55Speaker 01

  It was like, oof, man.

• 11:57Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 11:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. We were like, thank you. We're, we're, we're good. We're good.

• 12:00Dax Shepard?

  Did you say, um, hey, I used to work here? I would've.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  I couldn't. I just was like, can I take a look back at the, at the stages? Can I look back there? And they're like, yeah, sure.

• 12:12Dax Shepard?

  You want an application?

• 12:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. I just was like, wow, I don't recognize this. It was, it was really different.

• 12:19Dax Shepard?

  Did you have any impulse? It was active. Yeah. People were working?

• 12:22Speaker 01

  No, it was empty.

• 12:23Dax Shepard?

  Oh, it was empty?

• 12:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:24Dax Shepard?

  Cause I was gonna say, I wonder if you would have had the impulse to say to the girls like, hey, I worked here. That would be, I would, that would be very comforting.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  Or dropping a token.

• 12:31Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah. Just wave and say, I used to work here.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  I know how meaningful this is.

• 12:36Dax Shepard?

  But I think that would be encouraging if you worked there and then you walked in and said, hey, I used to work here.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  Anything's possible, ladies.

• 12:42Dax Shepard?

  Yes. You may write a book about this place one day.

• 12:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:45Dax Shepard?

  Okay. So you stopped in there. What about the neighborhood you lived in?

• 12:49Speaker 01

  I drove around the neighborhood and the houses I lived in and all of it was so much smaller than I remembered and more depressing than I remember. You know, it was a little emotional. Luckily I did it with my girlfriend. So, and you know, but the food was the best part.

• 13:05Dax Shepard?

  All the food you missed.

• 13:06Speaker 01

  All the food. You know, I went back to a restaurant that my grandpa helped, you know, the recipes.

• 13:11Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  So I got to eat actual the food from my childhood, which was.

• 13:15Dax Shepard?

  And was it the same?

• 13:17Speaker 01

  Totally the same.

• 13:18Dax Shepard?

  Be right back.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  Jenny's?

• 13:19Dax Shepard?

  Do you love Jenny's?

• 13:20Speaker 01

  I love Jenny's.

• 13:21Dax Shepard?

  What's your flavor at Jenny's?

• 13:22Speaker 01

  The brown butter one.

• 13:23Dax Shepard?

  The brown butter.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  Brown butter, brown almond butter crisp, something like that.

• 13:27Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay. That's very specific.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  What's yours?

• 13:30Dax Shepard?

  I can't really eat ice cream unless it's a Dairy Queen.

• 13:33Speaker 01

  Oh my god, dairy.

• 13:34Dax Shepard?

  Do you love dairy? I love blizzards more than any.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  I love a chocolate dip and I can't have it anywhere else because nowhere else tastes like Dairy Queen.

• 13:42Dax Shepard?

  Agreed. And I don't wanna get sued by them and this is not disparaging. I'm not sure it's dairy.

• 13:46Speaker 01

  I don't know what it is.

• 13:47Dax Shepard?

  Cause when I eat a bunch of ice cream, the dairy mixed with the sugar, I'll involuntarily throw them.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 13:52Dax Shepard?

  I don't, it does, doesn't bother me. It's just like, oh, this is coming up. My body does not want this. I can count Dairy Queen and I feel like a million bucks, which makes me think there's no dairy in it. Again, I don't know what the truth of that is. Don't sue me, Warren Buffett. Can you stay put? Yeah. Um, for a minute because this never happens, but there's like pickups coming in all over the streets. Oh, oh my gosh. Okay. This is. We're on fire. Be right back. All right. Last one. Okay. How far is All Time? Oh my gosh, right. It's right here too? Yeah. I get your pin cause you said you liked it.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  Oh my god, that's so cute. Thank you. By any chance, is your page in your journal, is it the artist's way?

• 14:30Dax Shepard?

  It's not.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 14:31Dax Shepard?

  Tell me about that though. People love it.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 14:34Dax Shepard?

  How does the artist's way work? Do you do the artist's?

• 14:35Speaker 01

  I just got it. My therapist just had me get it. And I mean, I have my own journal I was doing, but she just sent me this and stuff.

• 14:42Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. What is your journal generally? Oh, I'll tell you mine. Mine is like virtually just what I did yesterday. And then some mornings it's like I have a whole rumination and a court case in my head. And then I write that down, you know, so and so's this, this. And my, literally by the time I've finished, I've been so embarrassed by what I just wrote. It's like when I see it and write it, like, oh my god, I'm being, I'm being four years old.

• 15:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:05Dax Shepard?

  I can't just fucking deal with this. So it's very cathartic in that way. It's like just.

• 15:10Speaker 01

  Processing.

• 15:11Dax Shepard?

  I've been obsessed with this lately. How logical the story in your head sounds? It's like bulletproof. And then you tell a friend and as you're saying it, or you tell a therapist and as it's coming out, you're like, oh, this story is so weak. Like this whole thing I got worked up is.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Or, oh my god, it's so much worse saying it out loud.

• 15:29Dax Shepard?

  Or that.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  Now that I'm saying it out loud.

• 15:35Dax Shepard?

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• 16:15Dax Shepard?

  Can we go deliver some of this stuff? Yeah. Stop, stop, keep stuff up. Can I put this on the seat?

• 16:20Speaker 01

  Of course. I'm getting inspirations for things.

• 16:23Dax Shepard?

  More shit to do in the morning.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  That I didn't know you could Uber Eats.

• 16:27Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  I didn't know we could get Maru delivered.

• 16:32Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, I don't think I knew that either. I thought you had to stand in the line.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  Flowers?

• 16:37Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 16:37Speaker 01

  Good flowers.

• 16:38Dax Shepard?

  Okay. So your journal is what?

• 16:40Speaker 01

  Processing whatever's going on. Cause there's always something going on. I tend to neglect it when things are going well.

• 16:47Dax Shepard?

  Yes, of course. Yeah, yeah. As we all do.

• 16:50Speaker 01

  But it's mostly just like whatever's happening and I'm processing it and then.

• 16:55Dax Shepard?

  Do you feel like by putting it there, it stops a little bit of the rumination?

• 16:59Speaker 01

  It relieves a bit of the pressure of it all. Or the, the, it takes the charge out of it quite a bit. Yeah. You're like, all right, I don't need to worry about that anymore. I don't wanna talk about it anymore.

• 17:09Dax Shepard?

  Um, okay. So back to Ransom Canyon. Please. We love it. I was interested in the Albuquerque of it all. And then, um, how do you feel on horseback?

• 17:16Speaker 01

  Oh, my favorite. My most comfortable.

• 17:18Dax Shepard?

  Really?

• 17:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:19Dax Shepard?

  You looked comfortable.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  Thank you. Thank you.

• 17:21Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, we just watched you and your sister have the horse race. Yeah.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  Oh, fun. That was a sad thing, a lesson for me because I had to have a stunt double and I hate that.

• 17:30Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 17:31Speaker 01

  I really don't like, I wanna do everything myself, especially with horses, cause I feel capable.

• 17:36Dax Shepard?

  Yep.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  But they were like, you can't go full speed. After the fact, she was like, if you would've just done it, it would've been fine. But we had to tell you, you can't. I'm like, what?

• 17:45Dax Shepard?

  How dare them? Yeah. What are they gonna do when you're in the middle of a fucking gallop?

• 17:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:49Dax Shepard?

  Is that what we call it? What's the fastest thing around? There's, what are the stages of horse riding? There's a trot, a, a canter and a gallop?

• 17:56Speaker 01

  The fast one is something else.

• 17:57Dax Shepard?

  Oh, that's better than that. So this has been a ruse. So this is your favorite meal from All Time. This is salmon and rice.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  That's a spicy cold brew?

• 18:06Dax Shepard?

  That's a spicy cold brew for you.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  Oh my god, and those are flowers?

• 18:13Dax Shepard?

  Uh, those flowers are for you. And then you, I don't wanna give you too much stuff at once. And then this is, um, fun stuff for, uh, uh, a new space.

• 18:27Dax Shepard?

  And now we're gonna eat together. Yeah, now we're gonna eat.

• 18:31Speaker 01

  Guys, guys, I was not expecting that.

• 18:34Dax Shepard?

  Let me get this for it.

• 18:37Dax Shepard?

  Cause I love you.

• 18:38Speaker 01

  Oh my god. Wait, is it, is that really what the show is that you do that?

• 18:42Dax Shepard?

  No, really. We deliver food normally. But I said today, let's not deliver food. Let's just get all Aminka's favorite things and let's all enjoy them together and not deliver food today.

• 18:53Dax Shepard?

  Sweetie.

• 18:53Speaker 01

  Thanks. I don't even know what to say. Holy shit. Thank you so much. This is so sweet.

• 19:01Dax Shepard?

  You're so welcome. Do you have a cup holder back?

• 19:04Speaker 01

  Um, yeah.

• 19:05Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  I was so excited to go like knock on people's doors.

• 19:10Dax Shepard?

  We could do that another time.

• 19:12Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 19:12Dax Shepard?

  But guess what? My favorite meal's also at All Time. The rice with a hamburger patty.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  I can't believe this. Oh my god. What is it? A hamburger patty with rice?

• 19:22Dax Shepard?

  You know, they have the wagyu. How much do you love this sauce?

• 19:25Speaker 01

  I just love everything.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 19:31Dax Shepard?

  The citizens of LA are gonna not be able to get our delivery services today. I love that you didn't let go, oh, that's my favorite coffee. Well, you did a little bit.

• 19:41Dax Shepard?

  Oh, here's my silverware. Do you have a napkin? You have everything you need?

• 19:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:45Dax Shepard?

  Okay, wonderful. Oh, baby.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  This is so sweet. Dude, oh my god, I can't.

• 19:52Dax Shepard?

  Well, this is a much better reaction than I was even expecting.

• 19:58Dax Shepard?

  Can I just tell you, I'm so into the fact that everything you're talking about, about the journaling and the therapy, because I don't do it when I'm feeling great, of course, as well. It's very important to, uh,

• 20:10Speaker 01

  I know.

• 20:10Dax Shepard?

  just do it.

• 20:11Speaker 01

  It's the same thing with me and even meditation. I know when I do it and I'm regular, it changes my life. It changes my ability to handle stress. The biggest thing that I noticed when I first started doing it was like driving in LA, being used to being so angry. And then the thing would happen that would normally make me angry and instead I was like, oh, nice move. And I was like, wow, what was that?

• 20:36Dax Shepard?

  That's a big one.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  It's like dissipated my road rage.

• 20:40Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it's like if your brain had a heart rate, it like just lowers it from like one forty down to seventy-five. I feel like meditating, when it's good. But it can be frustrating. Do you ever get frustrated meditating? I'm like, I just cannot.

• 20:53Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 20:53Dax Shepard?

  Stick to my mantra. And then I'll be like, oh my god, you can't even say your mantra for like four seconds without fucking your mind wandering to some other thing you're obsessing about.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I use it a lot to help myself fall back asleep.

• 21:06Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, uh huh. Do your mantra while you're.

• 21:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, just to get my mind off of whatever it is I'm obsessing over.

• 21:13Dax Shepard?

  Mm hmm.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  To help me fall back asleep.

• 21:15Dax Shepard?

  Oh my god. This is so good. That's your first time with it, right? Yeah, remember I ordered a turkey sandwich? Yeah, we went, I took them the whole time for the first time to lunch. And I got this, and he's like, I'll have a turkey sandwich. And we went, oh, man, okay. You get to, everyone gets to get what they want, but this, they have so many unique offerings at this place. But you did say it was a very. It was the best turkey sandwich ever, but I saw yours come out. I'm like, oh no, what did I do? And how do you like Dumas? I've known Dumas for a long time. We all, Kristen Dumas and I did a movie together nineteen years ago.

• 21:45Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 21:46Dax Shepard?

  And I found him to be the most normal human being in show business.

• 21:49Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 21:50Dax Shepard?

  Like, I don't even know if he knows he's in show business.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  I know, huh? He's such a good guy.

• 21:55Dax Shepard?

  So handsome, too.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  He is, and I think what makes him so great is he doesn't wear the handsome.

• 22:02Dax Shepard?

  Mm hmm.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  Like, to your point, he's so normal, he's so disarming that you're like, oh yeah, and also you're handsome.

• 22:08Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you almost forget.

• 22:09Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:10Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, and then he takes his shirt off and you're like, you just look like this, don't you? Do you just look like that?

• 22:14Speaker 01

  I'm sad to not work with him anymore.

• 22:16Dax Shepard?

  So, by the way, I did not know until this morning.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  That we got canceled?

• 22:20Dax Shepard?

  I didn't know that.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  I know, it's so sad.

• 22:22Dax Shepard?

  How do you feel about that?

• 22:23Speaker 01

  I'm so sad about it.

• 22:24Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  Felt like we had such a good thing. We all love each other so much.

• 22:30Dax Shepard?

  But it did so well. I reached out to you because I saw one of those numbers, like, however many hundreds of millions of minutes have been consumed, almost like at the top of that list. And I was so happy for you.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  Thanks. I don't understand these things sometimes.

• 22:43Dax Shepard?

  Were you having at all any full circle moments? Like, you're there on that show.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:47Dax Shepard?

  There's a young cheerleader on the show. You're now in like the Tammy Taylor role. Uh, you're looking at this young girl, what's her name? Lizzie? Yeah, Lizzie. And I was just wondering, was that obvious to you? Were you taking that in? And did you feel like interesting feelings towards Lizzie?

• 23:03Speaker 01

  The first time we shot on that football field and I walked on and I saw the cheerleaders and I saw the football, I was like, what? This is so surreal. And I was like, more than anything, relieved to be the adult on set.

• 23:15Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  Because being the young one on set is not fun, because you're so young. And at least me, I was so green.

• 23:23Dax Shepard?

  Mm hmm.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  And I was so eager for to be liked by everybody and that I had to be everyone's best friend. And there's so much anxiety in that.

• 23:31Dax Shepard?

  And you told me when I interviewed you, you had a lot of imposter syndrome happening, like, I don't belong here, I don't deserve to be here.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  And so I felt like I got a second chance or something.

• 23:40Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  So I really embraced it and I had a lot of fun with it. And I really enjoyed the peace that I had, knowing I don't have to go out with everybody afterwards. I'm going home.

• 23:52Dax Shepard?

  I'm gonna drive an hour and a half home.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  I loved the position that Josh and I were in. We were the grownups and then there were the kids.

• 24:00Dax Shepard?

  Mm hmm.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  And we would be like, alright, guys, you have fun.

• 24:04Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  We're going home to our families.

• 24:06Dax Shepard?

  Try not to be too puffy tomorrow.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I really love getting older in those ways for that reason.

• 24:12Dax Shepard?

  I think this business is unique in reminding you of your age all the time. Because it's like, you get cast as a kid or the child of someone, and then you get cast as brother. I don't know.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  Now the parent.

• 24:22Dax Shepard?

  And then I had a kid on a show. I was like, oh, yeah, well, we gotta acknowledge you. I would have a kid right now. And then I remember Craig T. Nelson on Parenthood having to like really wrestle with like, yeah, he's playing a character that would die.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:33Dax Shepard?

  Like, it's so in your face. Or I was on another show, and the wonderful actor, she had to have Alzheimer's. And it's like, yeah, this makes sense for me. It's like, it can really make you confront your age all the time.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  I was just watching Sharon Horgan's new show. She's on a date with this older man and she's having to write text to her friend. He's old as fuck. I'm like, this poor guy.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, is he okay with that? Please.

• 24:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, but so, no, I don't mourn not being the cheerleader anymore. I'm actually very happy.

• 25:06Dax Shepard?

  Oh, that's nice.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Because I don't relate to that anymore. I don't, you know, I like to say I feel like I'm still twenty-five years old.

• 25:13Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  But then I'm around a twenty-five-year-old and I'm like, hmm.

• 25:17Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  Maybe not, maybe not so much. And that's not a bad thing. It's just a different mentality, a different way of processing life. And I'm excited to keep evolving that. And so I'm happy to not be in that space anymore of the young one. I'm excited to expand, I guess.

• 25:37Dax Shepard?

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• 26:20Dax Shepard?

  That was another one of my questions on my list. Aging, what are you loving about it? What are you hating about it?

• 26:24Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm hating that I'm like, oh, why does this thing in my back hurt? I don't.

• 26:28Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Why can't I jump the way I used to? Like, what are these little, called the what does? Like, what the fuck is this? What is this weird thing? I don't, you know, this crick in my neck. I don't usually have cricks in my neck. I hate that part of it, of like your mind and your body not being totally aligned all the time.

• 26:45Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  What I love is, is just the freedom of caring a little bit less.

• 26:49Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  You know, you're just like a little bit less inclined to insert myself in anyone else's business.

• 26:55Dax Shepard?

  Mm hmm. Oh, I feel that all the time.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Right?

• 26:58Dax Shepard?

  When I'm listening to a debate or everyone's having, in a conversation, I'm like, this is normally where I would enter with a super strong opinion.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 27:05Dax Shepard?

  And I sometimes now can just sit there and observe. And that was kind of unimaginable to me.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  I know, and that feels like its own freedom.

• 27:13Dax Shepard?

  Increasingly too, I think. I look at everyone, I'm like, oh, yeah, man, everyone's got some huge thing. Every single person. We like to label people like, oh, that person's a narcissist, and that person has borderline personality, and this person is like, but guess what? Everybody has something. And if you're in a relationship, especially for a long time, it's like, oh, yeah, man, I'm broken this way, you're broken that way, they're broken this way. Like, everyone chill. We're all, we're all fucking a little bit mangled.

• 27:39Speaker 01

  And can we have a little bit of a sense of humor about it? Does it all have to be so escalated? I just want to have a little more sense of humor about all these broken parts.

• 27:48Dax Shepard?

  And more tolerance. It's like, yeah, that, you know, like, a friend was just over and they're getting divorced and I was hearing all the

• 27:54Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 27:55Dax Shepard?

  reasons their partner sucked. And objectively, I bet they do.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:00Dax Shepard?

  And, but I was like, yeah, and then you suck too, and I suck, and everyone sucks. There's like no version. One person in that situation doesn't suck at all and the other one does.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  I guess it's just a matter of, does it suck too much?

• 28:13Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  And so maybe I'll find someone whose suck matches my suck. And we have the equal amount of tolerance for each other's sucks.

• 28:21Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, and then you're trying to figure out like, yeah, what percentage is the right percentage? Like, minimally, I think I should be happy more than fifty percent of the time. I don't want to be unhappy more than I'm happy. You're trying to assess that, I guess.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  How do you know? Are you writing it down every day and then going, okay, so fifteen days this month I was happy?

• 28:41Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, because when it sucks, you're pretty convinced it's gonna suck forever.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  And that it has sucked forever.

• 28:46Dax Shepard?

  Oh, right, yeah, yeah, you're right. What level of anxiety do you have? Career anxiety versus the past?

• 28:52Speaker 01

  I've never really had career anxiety for some reason.

• 28:55Dax Shepard?

  Oh, really?

• 28:56Speaker 01

  I know, thankfully or not thankfully, maybe I'd be in a more successful place if I had a little more anxiety. I've just always sort of trusted for some reason that I'm always gonna be okay.

• 29:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, that's great.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  With where I am in my career compared to where I've been.

• 29:12Dax Shepard?

  Mm hmm.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  I feel so not satisfied, but proud of myself.

• 29:16Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, would I be wrong? I would imagine this rancid, rancid.

• 29:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:23Dax Shepard?

  Ransom Canyon.

• 29:25Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:25Dax Shepard?

  That was a good moment, right? That was, yeah, yeah.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  Okay, actually, before Ransom Canyon, I was having a little anxiety.

• 29:32Dax Shepard?

  Okay, yeah.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  Because I remember being so relieved at thinking, you want me to be the lead of your show?

• 29:38Dax Shepard?

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  I'm in my forties.

• 29:40Dax Shepard?

  Right, right, right. Mm-hmm.

• 29:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 29:42Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Oh, I love all time. That was so delicious. That was great. I wish I had Dairy Queen for us.

• 29:47Speaker 01

  Spicy cold brew for dessert?

• 29:49Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  And flowers and, oh my god.

• 29:53Speaker 02

  And some presies in there?

• 29:55Speaker 01

  This is too much, guys.

• 29:57Speaker 02

  It's not too much.

• 29:58Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 29:59Dax Shepard?

  Okay, what are your vices?

• 30:01Speaker 01

  My vices?

• 30:02Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, do you have vices?

• 30:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:04Dax Shepard?

  Do you ever like smoke cigarettes? Oh, you smoke weed? Okay. That's not, I don't know.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  Is that a vice?

• 30:09Dax Shepard?

  It is, it is, yeah. I don't know why, I don't know why I'm trying to say it's not to ask you what vices you have.

• 30:14Speaker 01

  I'm like, what do I do?

• 30:15Speaker 02

  Not bad.

• 30:16Dax Shepard?

  And do you prefer to have gummies, vape, or flower?

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Flower.

• 30:20Dax Shepard?

  Flower.

• 30:21Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 30:21Dax Shepard?

  A proper joint?

• 30:22Speaker 01

  A proper, I love a proper joint.

• 30:24Dax Shepard?

  Old-fashioned joint.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  I just think with the gummy, it can be too strong, it takes too long, it goes away too, it's, everything is less predictable.

• 30:32Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  With the joint, I love, you're gonna feel it right away and then it goes away in a couple hours.

• 30:38Dax Shepard?

  Very controllable.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  Uh-huh, I love it like.

• 30:40Dax Shepard?

  Smells delicious.

• 30:41Speaker 01

  I love it with food, you know, it's like, it just kind of like enhances.

• 30:45Dax Shepard?

  And how about drinking?

• 30:46Speaker 01

  I had a glass of wine at dinner last night. I'm not a huge drinker.

• 30:49Dax Shepard?

  Cause you feel like shit afterwards?

• 30:51Speaker 01

  Cause I, even as I've gotten older, I even feel like shit during.

• 30:55Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  I'm like, I don't, I don't like how this feels anymore, you know?

• 31:01Speaker 02

  Start feeling horrible.

• 31:02Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I gotta say, you know, whatever, I haven't drank in twenty-two years and I monitor everyone around me that's now my age and still drinks. And all I hear over and over again is like, oh yeah, you feel fucking terrible. I'm like, well, I can't imagine it getting worse. Like, I felt so fucking bad from drinking. Of course, I drank so excessively, but still.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 31:20Dax Shepard?

  I'm like, oh thank god, because I would be heartbroken if I was having one beer and in the middle of it, I.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  Before you felt like shit.

• 31:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. I'm like, can't sleep and all that stuff.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  But I love the romance of it, of like being at dinner and having a glass of wine. It's delicious.

• 31:35Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, and you like your margaritas from, um, Casa Vega.

• 31:38Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 31:39Dax Shepard?

  Is that it?

• 31:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:42Dax Shepard?

  I feel like I've spent most of my adult life just peeling back vices. It's like, I feel like by the time I was twenty-two, I was already on everything and I was probably a love and sex addict and I was just like, everything. And it's just been one thing after another I have to eventually take away or confront.

• 32:01Speaker 02

  So I took away the most harmful ones, which were cocaine and booze, but uh.

• 32:06Speaker 01

  The beer.

• 32:07Speaker 02

  But I think I added like TV as a vice.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  Um, I mean, for real. I'm trying to think of maybe some of the things that are not.

• 32:15Dax Shepard?

  Well, eating occasionally, right?

• 32:17Speaker 01

  Anything we enjoy a vice?

• 32:19Dax Shepard?

  I think anything that potentially has a destructive component.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 32:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 32:24Dax Shepard?

  Which I don't even know why I would call the nicotine, well, I would say nicotine's a vice because I'm addicted to it for sure.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 32:30Dax Shepard?

  If I don't have it, I'm very grouchy and I would do anything to get it if I needed it.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, right.

• 32:36Dax Shepard?

  But you'll sometimes have little phases, right, where you're eating like, I don't know, a hundred high chews for no reason.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 32:43Dax Shepard?

  Right, you'll get in little, you'll, you'll have a little phase.

• 32:45Speaker 02

  Definitely, or I eat pies. I got.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  So much pie.

• 32:51Speaker 02

  I eat full pies.

• 32:54Speaker 01

  All you know, whole kinds of, of ice cream, all you know, whole kinds of vanilla sweet almond, fog and those to myself.

• 33:01Dax Shepard?

  It's really fun when Erin comes and shows up, cause we often, we love watching TV together and we'll sit down in the theater room and I'll like hear a little. And I'm like, what are you into now? And they'll have like, what were those bizarre flavored things you were eating for a while? They were like fucking ginger flavored?

• 33:16Speaker 02

  Ginger, oh yeah, they're just ginger chews.

• 33:19Dax Shepard?

  Ginger chews.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  From China.

• 33:21Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, and you would have a ton of them.

• 33:23Speaker 02

  I, I carried about two hundred and fifty with me anytime I left the house.

• 33:27Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 33:29Dax Shepard?

  But also Mika, I can get addicted to almost anything. So Kristen's really fun at a dinner party. She just starts listing the things I've been addicted to. So like, there was a period where I was so addicted to Halls, the fucking Halls mentalist.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:42Dax Shepard?

  And I get the family.

• 33:43Speaker 02

  Like the rub?

• 33:44Dax Shepard?

  Oh, the.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  Oh, your chest is.

• 33:50Dax Shepard?

  By the way, that sounds pretty great.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  I love it too.

• 33:52Dax Shepard?

  I kinda want that addiction right now to think about it.

• 33:55Speaker 02

  Rub it over your chest at night?

• 33:57Dax Shepard?

  Or I got into these tea tree oil toothpicks and it's like, in very addict-y way, it's like, I love them and then I was like, there must be stronger ones. And then through some research, I found out there's these super strong ones from Australia. So then I get those and then I'm eating them so much that I have a fucking scab in my mouth. And Kristen's like, hon, you have scabs on your face from these tea tree oil. I'm like, I know. And I, it's worth it.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  It's the price you pay, yeah.

• 34:20Dax Shepard?

  It's the price of admission.

• 34:21Speaker 02

  For a good time, yeah.

• 34:22Dax Shepard?

  It's great toothpick experience. But you're not very addict-y, right?

• 34:25Speaker 01

  I'm not.

• 34:26Dax Shepard?

  Which is shocking, right?

• 34:27Speaker 01

  Shocking, yes, cause I come from a long line of them.

• 34:30Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you've got the nature and nurture.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm, I do, double whaling. Maybe the nurture of it all scared me out of it. I don't know. I don't know if you can control it though.

• 34:39Dax Shepard?

  Oh, speaking of your, um, book, did you read Cher's autobiography?

• 34:44Speaker 01

  No.

• 34:45Dax Shepard?

  Woo!

• 34:46Speaker 01

  Really?

• 34:46Dax Shepard?

  Oh, you must.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 34:48Dax Shepard?

  Oh, it's a whopper.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  Really?

• 34:50Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:50Speaker 01

  Oh, cool.

• 34:51Dax Shepard?

  That gal has went through everything imaginable by the time she was sixteen years old. I think it related a lot. Her mom was like, she had this boyfriend, this guy was this way. And then there was a rich boyfriend, they'd moved to this nice house. And there was a dirtbag. And then they were in New York all of a sudden with a guy who's like, uh, head of a department store.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  I will absolutely read that.

• 35:12Dax Shepard?

  It's so good. All right, um, working out. I've seen a lot of videos of you training.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  You have?

• 35:17Dax Shepard?

  I have. I've watched a lot of videos of you training. And you go fucking hard.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  I do go hard.

• 35:22Dax Shepard?

  You go hard.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  That's a vice?

• 35:23Dax Shepard?

  Mmm.

• 35:23Speaker 01

  No, no, that's not a vice.

• 35:25Dax Shepard?

  We might be able to call it an addiction, but I don't know if I'm gonna call it a vice.

• 35:28Speaker 01

  Right, okay.

• 35:28Dax Shepard?

  Unless it was somehow harming you. You're not training.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 35:31Dax Shepard?

  The point where you get rhabdo and you're in the hospital.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  Okay, so it's more a therapy. It makes me so happy. It's my favorite hour of the day.

• 35:38Dax Shepard?

  And you feel incredible afterwards, yeah?

• 35:39Speaker 01

  I feel incredible afterwards. My body responds to it really well. And then other days I do hot yoga. I'm always taking some kind of class. I'm always trying something.

• 35:48Dax Shepard?

  Is there any workout you'll do on your own, solo? But do you cardio? Will you go hiking?

• 35:52Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I do. I go hiking all the time, especially now I have this really big dog.

• 35:56Dax Shepard?

  What kind of dog?

• 35:57Speaker 01

  A Bernadoodle.

• 35:58Speaker 02

  Oh, baby.

• 35:59Dax Shepard?

  Oh, is that a Burmese mountain dog and a doodle?

• 36:01Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:02Dax Shepard?

  Mika?

• 36:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:03Dax Shepard?

  Wait, okay, those are my favorite dogs, the Burmese, but I couldn't have one because I'm allergic.

• 36:08Speaker 01

  Oh, but this is.

• 36:08Dax Shepard?

  But now I can have one?

• 36:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's the best.

• 36:11Dax Shepard?

  Wait, you call it a Burma doodle?

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Bernadoodle.

• 36:13Dax Shepard?

  Oh, fuck me.

• 36:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's so cute and dumb and.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's so dumb and smart, yeah.

• 36:21Dax Shepard?

  Stupid as far.

• 36:22Speaker 01

  He's goofy and also way too smart.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  Handsome and smelly.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, all of it.

• 36:27Dax Shepard?

  It seems like the pattern for these doodles is they're impossible until they're a year old, or at least parents were fucking assholes.

• 36:36Dax Shepard?

  I remember when you got one.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  I was so bad.

• 36:38Dax Shepard?

  He did it all. He got out of treatment and within a year he had a, a wife and a dog and all this stuff. I'd go over to his house and this fucking doodle was eating every pair of shoes in the house, was barking all day long. And I was like, I can't believe someone would choose this.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:55Dax Shepard?

  But you're very tolerant.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, and I, there was never anything calm happening around me in my life, so.

• 37:02Dax Shepard?

  It felt like he helped you transition into a plastic lifestyle. And what about, do you have the sensation of feeling strong?

• 37:10Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 37:11Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  Yes, and some days I'll notice how strong or not strong I feel and I'm like, yeah.

• 37:17Dax Shepard?

  It affects you, right?

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Today I was really strong. I was doing push-ups and pull-ups in ways. She was like, damn. I'm like, I know, I'm very strong today.

• 37:25Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  So what did I eat last night?

• 37:27Dax Shepard?

  And how has your relationship with your body evolved over the years?

• 37:32Speaker 01

  I've kind of always been, like since high school, I've been in the gym. In high school, I was a kickboxer. And so kickboxing, we were always in the gym and we were always working out.

• 37:42Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 37:43Speaker 01

  And so I've kind of always wanted and felt strong and felt good in my body. I think I have a pretty healthy relationship.

• 37:50Dax Shepard?

  You've never had like dysmorphia?

• 37:51Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 37:52Dax Shepard?

  Not an addict and no dysmorphia?

• 37:54Speaker 01

  Not an addict in any way, but I do have all the other shit. I am terrible at regulating my emotions when I'm in fight or flight. I, I'm really bad at knowing that I'm not in danger, you know?

• 38:07Dax Shepard?

  Uh-huh, your body's telling you you are.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  And I have rage in me that I need to like really check, because I can get so angry when I feel so misunderstood. Or like taken advantage of, or if I feel like someone's trying to trick me or lie to me, I can, I get really angry at injustice.

• 38:26Dax Shepard?

  Uh-huh.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  If something feels unfair, I can get.

• 38:29Dax Shepard?

  Disproportionately mad.

• 38:31Speaker 01

  Completely unnecessarily angry.

• 38:32Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it doesn't fucking end.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:35Dax Shepard?

  It's never gonna end and that's how it is. And that's hard to swallow.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  Embrace that and work through it every time, right.

• 38:42Dax Shepard?

  But I do desire like, can't there just be like homeostasis? Like, can't you eventually learn enough and figure enough out?

• 38:49Speaker 02

  Mm-mm.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  Just have a good time all the time?

• 38:51Dax Shepard?

  I mean, everything is the perfect analogy to working out. It's not like, you don't do push-ups one time and you're like, great, built my chest, done.

• 38:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:59Dax Shepard?

  Like now I got it, two days from now I gotta do it again or it goes away?

• 39:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:03Speaker 02

  That's what goes on in my head every day.

• 39:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm like, well, I just did this last week.

• 39:08Dax Shepard?

  Hold on.

• 39:09Speaker 02

  I gotta do it again. I was knocked out this morning. You were saying how strong you felt, Mika, this morning?

• 39:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:14Speaker 02

  I felt so weak and I.

• 39:16Dax Shepard?

  Oh, no.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  And I, um, and, and I don't usually feel like this. This was something special. And I, it's funny, because we talked about everything, age, all that.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:24Speaker 02

  I was especially having a day, I think, because I woke up sore as fuck. And I haven't done anything. My entire left side of my back.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 39:33Speaker 02

  Um, my shoulder, um, so.

• 39:37Dax Shepard?

  You got rolled last night?

• 39:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I lifted weights a little this morning and I go, it hasn't been this hard in years.

• 39:42Speaker 01

  I have those days too. And I have to apologize. I'm like, I'm sorry. I'm like, I can't.

• 39:47Dax Shepard?

  To the trainer.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I don't know what it is. It just is.

• 39:53Dax Shepard?

  I wish I could be open to direction. When I think about having a trainer and having to like

• 39:59Speaker 01

  I love it so much.

• 40:01Dax Shepard?

  Apologize for being out of gas.

• 40:03Speaker 01

  I love it so much. This girl, her name is Taylor, and her body is like, I love her body. So it makes me trust her so much. I'm like, yes, whatever you say, make me do that. And I love going in for the hour and not being in control.

• 40:16Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  And having her tell me exactly what to do because she knows best.

• 40:21Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 40:22Speaker 02

  I think he might have a problem with it.

• 40:24Speaker 01

  I might? Oh, he might. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 40:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:28Dax Shepard?

  Although I would love to have a trainer whose body I like stared at the whole time. Just I fucking.

• 40:34Speaker 02

  Don't tell me what to do.

• 40:35Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, just let me look at your body. Truly, and this is why A worked for me. It's like, don't tell me what to do. Just do what you do that results in this and then I'll copy it over here. And you're not an authority figure and I can do it. So yeah, I could have a trainer where I just watched him work out. And then I ate whatever he was doing. Well, make a, um, you have to open your present.

• 40:54Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 40:55Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, there's this stuff in the bag.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  Who is this?

• 40:57Speaker 02

  Oh, we're up.

• 40:57Speaker 01

  Fish soap on a rope?

• 40:58Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, this is like, yeah.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, that smells so good.

• 41:01Dax Shepard?

  I presume you take showers.

• 41:02Speaker 01

  I do sometimes.

• 41:03Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  After the gym. Why did you do this?

• 41:07Dax Shepard?

  Well, obviously I had Kristen.

• 41:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, somebody helped us.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  Kristen, where's him?

• 41:12Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:13Dax Shepard?

  That's what you put on your nightstand. You can put your earrings in there. You can put your

• 41:17Speaker 01

  I love this.

• 41:18Dax Shepard?

  You can put your roaches in there.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  My little ashtray.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, that's so beautiful. I love that.

• 41:27Dax Shepard?

  You and, um, well, I spoke to

• 41:28Speaker 01

  Selly.

• 41:29Dax Shepard?

  Selly.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  Our Selly.

• 41:30Dax Shepard?

  I spoke to Selly.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 41:32Dax Shepard?

  I found her on Instagram. I'm like, who is she hanging out with the most on Instagram? And then I DM'd her and thank God she responded to me. But you guys are, you have an interior design business?

• 41:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're starting.

• 41:41Dax Shepard?

  So you love little things, right?

• 41:46Speaker 01

  I do. I love that little thing.

• 41:48Speaker 02

  Have you been doing it for 20 years? Is that what I saw?

• 41:51Speaker 01

  I've been friends with her for 20 years.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  But over the last several years, we've worked on a few houses together now.

• 41:59Dax Shepard?

  Oh, really?

• 41:59Speaker 01

  And we're like, what are we doing? This is like the happiest. We work so well together. We speak the same language. We make each other's ideas better.

• 42:09Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  And we just work together so well. And it's like the happiest. I've never been happier than when I'm designing and like coming up with ideas or like creatively problem solving.

• 42:19Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, she's like, uh, Minka has to have, um, the smell's gotta be right everywhere she goes. Uh, the lighting's gotta be right. Like she's very conscious of all these little elements in her environment.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  Uh, probably to a fault.

• 42:32Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 42:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm, I will, if I go to a game night or I go to someone's house, I'll be like

• 42:40Dax Shepard?

  You're uncomfortable.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  I'm like, do we have to, where are your, where are your light switches? And I'm adjusting the light wherever I am.

• 42:46Dax Shepard?

  Um, thank you so much for making time. I adore you. I hope this was fun. I hope your family was good.

• 42:52Speaker 01

  This is amazing. What a fun few hours. Thank you. I actually really needed this.

• 42:57Dax Shepard?

  Okay, good, good, good.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 42:59Dax Shepard?

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