Pod Insights Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard Mom's Car: Jonathan Tucker About this episode On this week’s episode of Mom’s Car we welcome Jonathan Tucker (American Hostage, Kingdom, Westworld). Jonathan, Dax, and Best Friend Aaron Weakley talk through how Jonathan raffled off his Cadillac at wrap, walked strangers’ dogs in New York, rushed barefoot into a neighbor’s house to rescue a family during a home invasion, went home to play a bank robber after years of defending Charlestown’s reputation, how he realized he wanted to marry his wife after bombing at an awards show, and how he helped turn a struggling dairy farm into a weed business.
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0:00 Dax Shepard? Welcome to Mom's Car. I'm Dax Shepard.
0:03 Speaker 01 I am Aaron Beekman.
0:04 Dax Shepard? And today we have on Jonathan Tucker. And the beautiful irony of this is the last time we interviewed Jonathan Tucker, he was also in a car. He was in a eighty-seven Cadillac Coupe de Ville. What a stud. Who gives an interview in a car like that? You know him from Westworld, City on a Hill, our favorite.
0:23 Speaker 01 Kingdom.
0:24 Dax Shepard? The Virgin Suicides, Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And he is in the new runaway hit with Jon Hamm called American Hostage is Tasty. Please enjoy Jonathan Tucker. This episode is brought to you by Allstate. Checking Allstate first could save you hundreds on car insurance. Not checking the dress code at the new restaurant? Showing up in sandals and getting turned away at the door? No fun at all. Yeah, checking first is always a good move. So check Allstate first for an auto quote. It could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary, subject to terms, conditions, and availability. Allstate North American Insurance Company and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois. We are supported by Uber Eats. Boom, boom, boom. In need of groceries? Uber Eats has you covered.
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1:41 Dax Shepard? Okay, I don't know which one. A sunset in what? Sunset and fuck you.
1:46 Speaker 01 It's in Gower.
1:47 Dax Shepard? Oh, in Gower. Oh, I know that. In the glitter gulch, that dump of a... I have a real animosity against that shopping center.
1:53 Speaker 01 Me too.
1:54 Dax Shepard? Do you?
1:54 Speaker 01 I do too.
1:55 Dax Shepard? I think a lot of people live in Hollywood, dude. Tell me yours.
1:57 Speaker 01 I just genuinely don't like that spot. The parking's weird. I just don't like the spot. It's like it's high, the traffic is high, people go fast, and the parking is shitty. And so it just feels like a bad place to be ambulatory.
2:10 Dax Shepard? Well, and also the facade of the place is like old particle board. I'm like, guys, this is a prime piece of real estate. And we still have particle board up from nineteen-seventy-one when you built this fucking Joe Opie.
2:21 Speaker 01 Do you go to Family and Friends across from Jumbo's?
2:23 Dax Shepard? No, no, it's Family and Friends.
2:25 Speaker 01 That's the bakery that we just passed.
2:27 Dax Shepard? Oh, oh, no, but I've had all-time service their bread.
2:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, they do great work there. You should go there sometimes.
2:32 Dax Shepard? Really good work.
2:33 Speaker 01 Are we recording this or?
2:34 Dax Shepard? Yeah, we are. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:36 Speaker 01 I'm on the record.
2:36 Dax Shepard? I'm on the record.
2:37 Speaker 01 Yeah, maybe I should slow down and not let people see the hypercaffeinated.
2:42 Dax Shepard? No, I think that's definitely part of your charm. Really quick, because this is gonna be the most ADHD conversation, and that's what it's gonna be, right? We'll just embrace that. But don't you love that now this is, it'll be the second time I've interviewed you, both times you were in a vehicle?
2:56 Speaker 01 That's true.
2:57 Dax Shepard? Do you recall that?
2:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, because I was in COVID.
2:59 Dax Shepard? And you were in your Coupe de Ville.
3:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, and I didn't even appreciate the loss of not having the chance to go to your studio.
3:05 Dax Shepard? Okay, well, we'll also do that.
3:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, but I'm just saying, I was like, I was like, yeah, this is how people must do it. They go to somewhere private and then they...
3:11 Dax Shepard? They get in their eighty-six Coupe de Ville. What year is that Coupe de Ville?
3:15 Speaker 01 It was in eighty-seven or eighty... eighty-seven, thirty-nine.
3:19 Dax Shepard? She's not with us anymore?
3:20 Speaker 01 No, I didn't tell you what I did with it?
3:22 Dax Shepard? No.
3:23 Speaker 01 All right, so I bought the car because I was shooting in Vancouver. It just was like one, I found this incredible car. It was so fucking beautiful.
3:30 Dax Shepard? Red interior, as I recall?
3:31 Speaker 01 Red interior and a white, kind of off-white exterior. It's just so beautiful. And the transport team took it for like two weeks and just made it like showroom, showroom quality. The interior is perfect. And so I drove it.
3:46 Dax Shepard? Really quick, look back at Tucker. He looks like he's, when they interview someone who does not want their identity known.
3:52 Speaker 01 I'm like, I'm Whitey Bulcher. I'm Whitey Bulcher.
3:55 Dax Shepard? The biggest, yeah, biggest sunglasses available.
4:02 Speaker 01 I'm on the prow. I always feel like I'm gonna like pull a weapon out and like start firing off this side with my two getaway drivers. I got a wheelman on the left. And I got Michigan's finest on the right, ready to go.
4:15 Dax Shepard? Two of my Michigan's finest slash wars.
4:19 Dax Shepard? Okay, so Transport put a real shine on it.
4:21 Speaker 01 They really did. So I drove the car for like six months during COVID. It was just awesome. And then at the end, I'm like, so what am I gonna do? Am I gonna go on Craigslist and like try to resell this thing?
4:30 Dax Shepard? Right.
4:31 Speaker 01 And like have to show it a bunch and answer questions? And so I, at the end, I'm like, so what am I gonna do? Am I gonna try to sell this thing? No. I'm not gonna bring it back to LA because I don't want to deal with all the customs and imports and fees and all the mess that that was. You know, I've got two, two-year-old twins in the middle of COVID.
4:47 Dax Shepard? Right.
4:47 Speaker 01 So I went to buy the biggest bow I could possibly find, like one of the bows that they show on prices, right?
4:55 Dax Shepard? Lexus commercial or Mercedes Christmas commercial.
4:58 Speaker 01 And I went to the, back to the Canadian DMV and I got all the title or whatever. And I put everybody's name in the hat on the crew and I stood up at the end of the show with a bottle of champagne. And I pulled the name out and I gave the car away.
5:13 Dax Shepard? That's great because obviously the crew is local. They're Canadian. So they don't gotta export the car either.
5:18 Speaker 01 I have never in my life ever felt so great.
5:22 Dax Shepard? Magnanimous.
5:23 Speaker 01 I'm giving, giving a car away?
5:26 Dax Shepard? Yes.
5:26 Speaker 01 And the car didn't, the car cost a few thousand dollars.
5:29 Dax Shepard? Sure, sure. Do you recall what department won?
5:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, of course. It was her birthday. She turned twenty-nine. It was, and it was the hair and makeup girl.
5:37 Speaker 02 Where's the Starbase?
5:38 Speaker 01 Oh, it's right there.
5:40 Dax Shepard? And look at what a fucking dump this place is. Aaron, look what a clunker this is.
5:45 Speaker 02 Oh, my God, I know. I just thought we were in an old western town.
5:49 Dax Shepard? The main sign, that shitty fucking wood.
5:54 Speaker 01 That's the power of Uber, though. It can get us.
5:56 Dax Shepard? The Jean Autry strip mall.
5:58 Speaker 02 Stopped at a brothel for a quick.
6:00 Speaker 01 You missed, we almost got T-boned.
6:03 Speaker 02 Yeah, I heard the ruckus going on when I got up.
6:05 Dax Shepard? You could stop and play a quick round of five card stock.
6:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, I got chance to do a duel.
6:13 Speaker 01 So you know, I'm very familiar with this on-demand process that, in which we are currently engaging. In service of other people. I am currently a WAG and Rover walker.
6:23 Dax Shepard? What's that? What's a WAG and a Rover?
6:25 Speaker 01 You don't know the WAG app or Rover app?
6:27 Dax Shepard? No.
6:28 Speaker 01 All right, so if I was to ask somebody that's, oh, it's like for dog walking.
6:32 Dax Shepard? Oh, okay.
6:33 Speaker 01 You open up your app, you click.
6:35 Dax Shepard? And you want your dog walked?
6:36 Speaker 01 Correct. Somebody's gonna show up in your house who's vetted, who's gonna walk your dog for half an hour or an hour or whatever. And it's a minimal, you know, it's a small fee.
6:45 Dax Shepard? Nominal.
6:46 Speaker 01 Correct.
6:46 Dax Shepard? Okay.
6:47 Speaker 01 Well, it depends how much money you make, but yeah, nominal fee.
6:50 Dax Shepard? Relative, okay.
6:51 Speaker 01 Relative. Some people are scratching, you know, times, so. So I am doing this show in New York and it's a real toxic environment. I'd never really been a part of a toxic environment.
7:03 Dax Shepard? Okay.
7:04 Speaker 01 And I was, my wife was pregnant. She's in LA. I'm in New York. Real bad work situation. I'm being gaslit, made to feel badly about myself. And, and I'm commuting back and forth and my dogs are in LA and I'm just lonely, bro. And I don't get lonely very often.
7:20 Dax Shepard? Okay.
7:20 Speaker 02 So much for me holding it.
7:23 Speaker 01 What did you do? I can't see what's happening.
7:24 Dax Shepard? We got it, we got one.
7:26 Speaker 01 We got one. We got a fish. We got a fish. We got a one.
7:29 Dax Shepard? We got one on the hook.
7:30 Speaker 01 We got one on the line. Reel them in, nice and easy, nice and easy. Don't freak them out. Don't text them right away and be like, oh, we're really excited.
7:38 Dax Shepard? Don't freak them out.
7:39 Speaker 01 Don't freak them out. We should be fun as our texting, be like, oh, I'm so happy you ordered. We're so excited to deliver the food.
7:47 Dax Shepard? We can't wait. Yeah, be suspicious if we're too excited. It's like, we're thinking about it. We'd like to deliver it.
7:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, we're still considering your request.
7:57 Dax Shepard? Okay, so you're having a bad time. You're lonely in New York.
7:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, I don't get, I don't get lonely, you know?
8:01 Dax Shepard? Did you feel alienated from the cast? Is that what it was?
8:04 Speaker 01 I didn't feel alienated, but I felt very alone.
8:07 Dax Shepard? Right.
8:08 Speaker 01 On set.
8:08 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
8:09 Speaker 01 And frustrated. Anyways, I realized that the inverse of WAG and Rover is that you can open up an app and you can pick a dog for half an hour to play with.
8:19 Dax Shepard? Oh, no shit. This was your solution to feeling shitty?
8:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm like, I can just open up the app and like grab a dog.
8:25 Speaker 02 I love this.
8:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:26 Speaker 02 I'm gonna go grab the food, but I fucking love this story.
8:29 Dax Shepard? That's something you would benefit from, Aaron, greatly.
8:32 Speaker 01 So I'm like, I'm in New York, I'm having like a great dinner with a friend.
8:35 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
8:36 Speaker 01 At the end of dinner, I open up my app, I order a cappuccino. I'm a little full. I ate too much pasta.
8:41 Dax Shepard? Okay.
8:42 Speaker 01 And I'm going to work tomorrow like four in the morning, but it's, you know, I open up and then I just start swiping. Which dog am I gonna get right now?
8:49 Dax Shepard? Oh, and you can actually see a picture of the dog?
8:51 Speaker 01 You get the picture, descriptions.
8:52 Speaker 02 Oh, this is fun.
8:53 Speaker 01 You get the whole details and what their previous walks were like.
8:57 Dax Shepard? Oh, there's feedback on the dog.
8:58 Speaker 01 You leave feedback as the walker.
9:00 Dax Shepard? Okay.
9:01 Speaker 01 So there I am, I just go, I'm like, all right, I walk like a block or two and I pick up a dog.
9:04 Dax Shepard? Well, are you looking for a big dog or a little dog?
9:06 Speaker 01 It depends on the mood that night, dude.
9:08 Dax Shepard? Okay, okay.
9:09 Speaker 01 I like variety.
9:10 Dax Shepard? Okay, sure, who doesn't? Yeah, novelty. We love novelty.
9:13 Speaker 01 Exactly. With my wife, I like exactly what I get with my wife, but with the dogs, I wanna see it all. I wanna see it all, Ethan. I want all of it, okay? I'd just walk like a block or two, I'd grab a dog.
9:25 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
9:26 Speaker 01 And then I'd give the dog a walk and walk off the food.
9:28 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
9:29 Speaker 01 I take a photo on the park bench, send it to my wife. And it's just great. I'm like, this is great.
9:34 Dax Shepard? How many dogs do you think you walked?
9:36 Speaker 01 Thirty, forty, fifty dogs, yeah.
9:38 Dax Shepard? Wow, that's really fun. You meet at curbside.
9:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's not happening.
9:42 Dax Shepard? Should you want me to take a look?
9:44 Speaker 01 Should we?
9:44 Speaker 02 You wanna give it a look?
9:45 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
9:45 Speaker 01 And don't forget, you know, you wanna say with the ties, you say, so let it come.
9:49 Dax Shepard? All right, I'm a little embarrassed.
9:50 Speaker 01 We're delivering drugs.
9:51 Dax Shepard? There we go.
9:52 Speaker 01 Are we delivering drugs?
9:53 Dax Shepard? I hope. It's a very tiny package. All right, we have not told one succinct story. I'm gonna force this to right now. So, okay, we talked about the Cadillac. Love it. And your, and your daily driver now is what? It's a?
10:04 Speaker 01 It's a two thousand and eleven Ford Crown Victoria P seventy-one Police Interceptor. Cop suspensions, cop rakes, cop lights, cop engine, cop everything.
10:13 Dax Shepard? Cop, cop, cop, cop, cop.
10:15 Speaker 01 Thing runs.
10:16 Dax Shepard? Okay, so Aaron and I got the most spectacular invitation. I don't know, are you familiar with this YouTuber, Cletus McFarlane? Have you ever seen his stuff? He does crazy car stuff. He'll, you know, he'll buy a Lamborghini and jump it over a house. You know, he just does wacky stuff. Well, he's been very successful and he bought this old racetrack in Bradenton, Florida. And so, um, we are participating in November in a Crown Vic only race.
10:43 Speaker 01 Crown Vics.
10:45 Dax Shepard? Oh, it's a whole field is Crown Vics. And it's, uh, an oval with a little, uh, infield, uh, chicane. And it's a, I think a two hour long race and you have to have two drivers. So we'll swap drivers at some point. Does that not sound like the most spectacular thing?
11:04 Speaker 01 Dex.
11:04 Dax Shepard? Yes.
11:05 Speaker 01 Does he know that I am an, does he know who I am? How do I get in front of this guy? Do you know who I am? I'm the only actor in LA who drives Crown Vics. I'm a fleet owner operator of this vehicle. It's the backbone of the municipal fleet in America. It's the, it's the strength of our country in, in, in, in the form of an automobile and I support it in, in, in, in a real way.
11:30 Dax Shepard? Also, like any vehicle that was designed with the intention, I remember we'd go to these police, uh, package conferences. These fleet shows and they'd be explaining like, you know, the car was designed to take a curb at thirty five miles an hour without doing any damage. The upper rear control arms. You're like, yeah, that's the kind of vehicle designed to smash into a curb.
11:49 Speaker 01 It's just a great car. I feel very American driving and I love it.
11:53 Dax Shepard? Okay, now, we want the full story. We had the biggest laugh in months this morning when I discovered this K K L nine footage of you. You've got to walk me through June twenty twenty four.
12:05 Speaker 01 This is, um, the home invasion?
12:08 Dax Shepard? Yes. Yes, of course it is.
12:11 Speaker 01 I'm glad you laughed. I'm thinking like, what was I K K L mine for a few years? Yeah, that was an unexpected.
12:19 Dax Shepard? Hold on, hold on. This first, let's start with, this is a childhood dream come true. When you're a kid and you're watching, hold on, no, when you're listen, Tucker, before you get defensive. When you're a kid and you're watching the news and you find out there was a hero in your town, you're like, fuck, I wish I could be the hero. Tell me what, tell me what happened. I can already sense a little hesitation.
12:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, um, all right, well.
12:45 Dax Shepard? Look how reluctant, if I had done what you did, that's all I would talk about.
12:50 Speaker 01 I, I mean, I did notice you weren't available for comment, so I figured there was, I, I was wondering why that was too. I guess here's what happened. So there's, you know, we live in a really lovely neighborhood. It's super family oriented.
13:02 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
13:03 Speaker 01 Kids everywhere, doors open. It's like idyllic. We also live in LA and there's, you know, there's, uh,
13:09 Dax Shepard? A lot of riffraff.
13:10 Speaker 01 There's some riffraff.
13:11 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
13:11 Speaker 01 And, um, I was inside, like I heard something. I could hear like a kid or something. I was like, that doesn't, I could hear outside. I was like, that doesn't sound like playing. It sounded like something concerning. So I was like, talking to my wife, I was like, hold on a sec. And I, I put my head out the front door. I look out, I'm like, yeah, there's something's up. I could just sense something was up.
13:30 Dax Shepard? Spidey senses are going off.
13:31 Speaker 01 And I see like a neighbor's looking, like, you know, halfway down the block is looking across the street. So I kind of pick my head out and then I see that there's this like very big guy, big guy.
13:43 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah. We saw the footage. He's a large man.
13:45 Speaker 01 Walking down the street and he turned into somebody's house. And I know the, the folks, that's an older woman, her husband passed away. And he comes up to it and I turn to my neighbor, I'm like, what's going on? He's like, this guy's really angry. And he started banging on this woman's door. Very, very aggressively, very aggressively. And like, I turned to the guy right away. I was like, listen, I'm going to do everything. I don't want to provoke this situation, right? This guy, I'm hoping she doesn't open the door, but if she does open the door and I'm unable to like signal to her, would, will you go in with me?
14:13 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah.
14:14 Speaker 01 Cause I really don't want obviously something bad to happen. I know this woman.
14:17 Dax Shepard? Yes.
14:17 Speaker 01 And this guy was awesome. He's like, yeah, absolutely.
14:19 Dax Shepard? Right. You go first, but I, yes, I'll be behind you.
14:23 Speaker 01 So, so he's banging, banging, banging, banging. And she opens up the little window thing. So I'm behind her.
14:31 Dax Shepard? Okay.
14:31 Speaker 01 And so she doesn't open the door. Awesome.
14:34 Dax Shepard? Great.
14:34 Speaker 01 So then he continues going down and I was like, let me just track this guy.
14:38 Dax Shepard? Sure.
14:39 Speaker 01 To make sure that this doesn't happen again. So me and this other neighbor, he walks with me down the street. And then he goes to some other houses. Nobody opens their door. Great. And then he goes off. By that point, we'd already called nine one one.
14:49 Dax Shepard? Okay.
14:50 Speaker 01 And reported this.
14:50 Dax Shepard? And yeah, as for a timeline, like what do you think the, the, the gap between when you call nine one one? And when they arrive, right? This is always impressive.
14:58 Speaker 01 The police were incredible. They were absolutely magnificent. It's everything you ever want from law enforcement. So this guy's banging, he go, turns off, he goes on to Highland. And we're like, all right, he's off my block.
15:10 Dax Shepard? He's out of your jurisdiction.
15:11 Speaker 01 We did everything we did, right? Like we called the police, we gave a description. We made sure the people were safe. I don't, I, I feel like I did my part, you know? Let that be. I go back in the house. About ten fifteen minutes later, I go back out for something else. And I hear another thing and I look down the other side. So he'd gone, gone, basically done a huge loop. And he's coming down the block. So now I see other people are walking dogs. So I try to tell those people, like, hey, can you go to the other side of the street? Let's just let this guy clear through.
15:38 Dax Shepard? Sure.
15:39 Speaker 01 This guy looks like his, something's up.
15:41 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
15:41 Speaker 01 Now I'm watching, kind of watching it, just make sure everything's fine. And he's standing in front of this neighbor's house across, uh, the way. And I turned to the other neighbors now across the street. He's come out. I said, hey, do you know who lives in that house? And he's like, yeah, I know them well. I said, just call and just make sure that they're like, their doors are locked and do you know if anyone's home? He's like, yeah, the, I know the wife's home.
16:01 Dax Shepard? With, with children, right?
16:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, the wife's home. And I'm assuming they have kids, I can't remember, but, and then I turned back and the guy's gone. They couldn't have gone anywhere but in the house.
16:10 Dax Shepard? Right, right.
16:11 Speaker 01 And, and, you know, I just took off.
16:14 Dax Shepard? You're barefoot. I think this is an important part of the story.
16:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm barefoot.
16:18 Dax Shepard? Cause I have a very similar experience.
16:20 Speaker 01 I mean, I just.
16:20 Dax Shepard? You're never really, you, you, you, your fantasies about how you'd respond, but you're never really in the right outfit.
16:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm not in tactical gear.
16:28 Dax Shepard? Situation actually presents itself.
16:30 Speaker 01 I wanted to be in SWAT gear, yeah.
16:31 Dax Shepard? You seem to have a tactical bag with you though.
16:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, I grabbed the bag.
16:36 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
16:39 Speaker 01 I grabbed the bag.
16:40 Dax Shepard? And that'll remain a mystery like Pulp Fiction, right? We'll never know what's in the bag.
16:44 Speaker 01 Thank God I did. I just sprinted across the street, went through the door and.
16:48 Dax Shepard? And you're by yourself at this point?
16:49 Speaker 01 Yeah, by myself.
16:50 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
16:50 Speaker 01 And the mom is holding her like, you know, baby and she's freaking out.
16:56 Dax Shepard? Sure.
16:56 Speaker 01 And she doesn't know who I am, really.
16:58 Dax Shepard? All right.
16:59 Speaker 01 Um, I'm just a guy busting into her house.
17:01 Dax Shepard? With a bag and you're barefoot.
17:02 Speaker 01 But somebody else is just busted through her house. And he's three times my size and significantly unhappy.
17:10 Speaker 01 And so I'm just, I was actually like, I'm, uh, pretty clear headed. Cause I was like, you know, where is he? And are there other kids? Do you have kids in the house? Like, are, who else is in the house? And she's hyperventilating. She's like, I got my kid, my kids are, my kids are in the house. And I'm like, where are, where are the kids? How many are there? How many are there? How many are there?
17:26 Dax Shepard? Well, she goes nine.
17:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, but in my neighborhood, it's possible. But she goes, there's two. And I said, where are they? I see one of them out of my eye. I grabbed that guy and I throw it to the mom and I get out of the house, get out this way, like get out, get out, get out, get out. And then I had to go find the kid. I had to go start going through these rooms. I, thankfully I didn't see the guy. And I found the girl. She's hiding. She's a mess.
17:46 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
17:46 Speaker 01 And she doesn't know, you know, who I am. And I'm, so I'm starting to talk to her and I'm like, hey, it's okay. Uh, there's somebody, you know, who's here. And then I realized I'm like, I'm a fuck, I'm a forty year old man talking to like a seven year old. I just need to, so I just grabbed her and like firemend her out of the house.
18:01 Dax Shepard? Well, this is the shot we see on K K L, uh, nine. You come out of the house barefoot, holding a child.
18:07 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was really, dude, I gotta say, it was not funny. It was horrifying.
18:12 Dax Shepard? So heroic.
18:13 Speaker 01 I don't know. You know, it's just, it is like, it sounds like such a trope, but like, you're not even thinking, you're just like, I got, there's a kid. I gotta save this kid. I gotta get this kid out.
18:21 Dax Shepard? Right.
18:21 Speaker 01 And you don't want to provoke any violence. So like, I don't want any interaction with anybody. I just want to get all these people out of the house and safe, you know?
18:27 Dax Shepard? Yes.
18:27 Speaker 01 And the cops were there once. So I called again when I was running to the house and I'm like, this is not a guy wandering in the neighborhood. We have a, a man in this house. Here's the address. He's just entered the home. There's kids, there's going to be a family in the home. Like we need people here right away.
18:40 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah.
18:40 Speaker 01 And they were there. By the time I got out of the house, I don't, I think they were already pulling up. So then it's like, let these professionals do their job and they were incredible.
18:49 Dax Shepard? Well, I see it's heavy, but I do wish you had a little bit of pride. It's pretty fucking radical.
18:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, I don't know. Dash, I think like you did the exact, I think like, you know, there's
18:56 Dax Shepard? Well, I think I would too.
18:57 Speaker 01 Most husbands I know will do the exact same thing.
19:00 Dax Shepard? But then I would, I would feel good about it. All right. Now I deliver this, uh, that's what happens. Now I go deliver.
19:05 Speaker 01 Okay, great.
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19:49 Speaker 01 Did you get another order?
19:50 Dax Shepard? No, I just, I had to wait for her to come down because there wasn't an apartment number. Tucker, my experience, similar to this. I, so.
19:57 Speaker 01 Oh, hello.
19:58 Dax Shepard? Yeah, a little bit of, uh, sun stain on the paint job, but, uh, okay. So I, I lived in Santa Monica for ten years in this very shitty apartment, uh, uh, rough street. All right, in Santa Monica. If you can imagine that it's called Euclid and my girlfriend of nine years who lived with me there. She called me the sheriff of Euclid cuz like you I'm I'm like always sniffing around like what's happening? I'm just, you know.
20:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, you're paying attention to the neighbors. You're aware.
20:21 Dax Shepard? This is back to your outfit.
20:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
20:23 Dax Shepard? So it's a very memorable day because I was a very heavy smoker and I decided, okay, I'm gonna quit smoking. So this is the day I quit.
20:31 Speaker 01 Your throes of nicotine withdrawal.
20:33 Dax Shepard? Yes, I'm very irritable and agitated and I literally just make it to nighttime. I'm like, okay, I got through day one. I lay down in bed with Bree. I'm wearing these um heart pajama bottoms that my mom sent me for Valentine's Day. Obviously, I'm barefoot and obviously I'm shirtless. I'm going to bed.
20:50 Speaker 01 Yeah.
20:50 Dax Shepard? And I'm laying there and all of a sudden we hear like blood curdling screaming coming from right on the other side of the window on the street. And I'm like, oh, fuck, I jump up and you need to know the family that lived below me was this um lovely Mexican family that at this point I've seen some of the kids grow up from like eight years old. They go to their parties.
21:09 Speaker 01 Kinsey Yara, the clown, the Kinsey Yara.
21:11 Dax Shepard? Six folks living in the same one bedroom apartment. I adore these people. I run down my stairwell. I come around the corner of our apartment building and I see there's a car parked and two of the kids that are from there, they're now teenagers. Um, one kid's in the driver's seat, holding his nose. He's just blood pouring down his face. And then in the passenger seat, the other kid is being pulled through the window by this dude. Tucker, I already had a mix up with three years before. He's in a gang, the Santa Monica Tracey. They they live two apartment buildings over. And so I already that dude tried to mug me and I already fought that guy three years before. Police came. That's its own story. That's twenty five minutes long.
21:52 Speaker 01 Wait, do you see this sign, by the way?
21:53 Dax Shepard? Do I see what?
21:54 Speaker 01 If you leased there, you had a three hundred and fifty dollar a month Uber credit.
21:57 Dax Shepard? Oh, oh, my gosh.
21:59 Speaker 01 Pretty good branding opportunity for.
22:01 Dax Shepard? Also, you're so ADHD, I love it.
22:03 Speaker 01 Well, we're doing.
22:04 Dax Shepard? Random sign to pick up.
22:07 Speaker 01 Isn't this show not sponsored by Uber Eats?
22:09 Dax Shepard? Sponsored by Uber. That's insane. You pick that up.
22:11 Speaker 01 If you say ADHD, I'm like, I'm looking to hit up our sponsors who are underwriting, underwriting this opportunity. I mean, what are we doing here?
22:20 Dax Shepard? Okay, so so Tucker, he's in the middle of pulling this dude out the window, right? And then the young girl's in the backseat screaming. I see him, I'm in my pajama bottoms, I'm shoeless. And I scream at him, I go, hey, I'm gonna fucking teach you a lesson cuz I already.
22:35 Speaker 01 You already taught him a lesson.
22:36 Dax Shepard? I already taught him a lesson and now, and I quit smoking that day.
22:40 Speaker 01 Right, right.
22:40 Dax Shepard? So I'm actually really in the mood to teach someone a lesson.
22:43 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:43 Dax Shepard? He sees me, he lets go of the guy, he takes off sprinting down Euclid towards Broadway. I take off after him. Obviously, the cops have been called when I heard the screaming, the people downstairs also heard. So cops have already been called, right? I don't know any of this, but he takes off flying. I'm trying to catch him. And as I'm coming up to turn left onto Broadway, the police car flies up on the sidewalk. And they've gotten a call that some maniac's beating up people and they see me sprinting shirtless with my pajama bottoms on.
23:17 Speaker 01 You're on the hood of the car.
23:18 Dax Shepard? I'm on the ground immediately. I'm on the ground. They're out, guns on the ground. But as I'm complying, I'm going, dude, I'm not, you got the wrong dude, dude, he's getting away, he's getting away.
23:26 Speaker 01 I've never heard that a million times.
23:27 Dax Shepard? Yeah, so I have to just chill for a, you know, sixty seconds before I convince those people. And then also the neighbors are now coming down the street and they're yelling, it's not him. And so the funniest part of the story is when they finally let me get up and they're like, okay, what do he look like? And I'm like, you know, he's like, he's probably five ten, five nine, you know, he's Latino, but and I all of a sudden I go, oh, I have a picture of him. And they go, you have a picture of him? Because when I had that altercation with them and the police came, they took photographs of us. And I got the photos from the police station and they're in my toolbox upstairs. And I go, yeah, yeah, I have pictures of him. So the cops walk me back to my apartment. They come up, I go in my toolbox.
24:06 Speaker 01 These pictures are very.
24:07 Dax Shepard? Tucker, you've never seen, he looks like he got hit by a a fucking bread truck, right? He had, he had a broken nose, a broken jaw. He is a mess in these photos. And when I hand the police the photos of this guy, they start laughing so fucking hard. They're like, wait a minute, what are these, why, what happened? And I gotta tell them the whole story. And they're just in the best mood when I hand them these pictures. They take the pictures, I don't know, they go drive around for a couple hours and then they finally come back and give me the pictures. Yeah, yeah, we didn't find him, but.
24:40 Speaker 01 I thought you were gonna be in cuffs and you were like, and you were gonna be like, just give me a square. I just need one smoke here before I, you gotta light me up.
24:51 Dax Shepard? But again, I just not what I would wanna be in a combat situation in my heart shaped pajamas and barefoot.
25:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, you always wanna be well, just like when I proposed to my wife, I made sure she thought we were going to like the fanciest restaurant in New York. I took her to John's Pizzeria on Bleecker Street. But the premise was you're going to like Jean Georges or something. Because I was told that when you propose to your wife, you want her, well, she's gonna want to be really well dressed.
25:21 Dax Shepard? Uh, right.
25:21 Speaker 01 You don't wanna propose to her like on Christmas morning when she's in the Christmas pant, yeah, she looks, you know, like she just woke up. So, you know, you wanna put people in a position to look their very best at high points and low points, yeah, in their life. And like my passport.
25:38 Dax Shepard? You know what you're saying.
25:40 Speaker 01 My passport photo is me in a tuxedo.
25:42 Dax Shepard? Oh, really?
25:43 Speaker 01 Because I'm like, I'm gonna have this thing for ten years.
25:45 Dax Shepard? Oh, this is why you're such a good actor, you did details. You really are specific about the details.
25:49 Speaker 01 I had a, I had a driver's license for ten years where I had a wife beat her on and like a black eye and like a gold shades. And the thing just looks sick. It was incredible. You show it to anybody, they just start laughing their tail off.
26:01 Dax Shepard? Oh, what? An Italian dinner jacket and a black eye.
26:06 Dax Shepard? So you take her to the pizzeria and you propose to her there?
26:09 Speaker 01 I proposed in Central Park.
26:11 Dax Shepard? Oh, okay.
26:11 Speaker 01 She thought we were going to this fancy restaurant and um we proposed there. And then, you know, I had all of her friends meet us at John's Pizzeria on Bleecker Street.
26:21 Speaker 01 And uh, and she looked like a million bucks. She was thrilled with how she looked.
26:25 Dax Shepard? Oh, that's lovely. And how long you guys been together now?
26:26 Speaker 01 We've been married for fourteen years.
26:28 Dax Shepard? Okay, and how long were you dating before you took her to John's Pizzeria? Okay, so you've been together about sixteen years?
26:33 Speaker 01 You know, people said like, you know, you'll know when you know.
26:36 Dax Shepard? Uh huh.
26:36 Speaker 01 But when I first met her, I I knew she was special, like very special, like she'd be a friend of mine for the rest of my life. I was like, she's very special, but I didn't know for quite some time that she'd be my wife. But I did have this moment when I do, one moment, I was like, this is the woman I'm gonna marry. You know how they have all these like kind of like mini award shows before the Academy Awards and the Emmys and the Golden Globes? They've got like these like starter awards.
26:59 Dax Shepard? Uh huh.
26:59 Speaker 01 Kind of like lower tier awards every month. I had been asked to give one for somebody an award. So I wrote my own copy instead of their introduction, I did my own introduction for the award. And so when I presented it, it was a huge hit. Like, I mean, I just hit a home run with this dialogue. People are loving the dialogue. And they're like, the award ceremony was terrible. You were so great. That was so funny. So I'm feeling great about myself. And that same like award, you know, the same PR team or whatever asked me to do another award ceremony that was like a next tier up.
27:31 Dax Shepard? Okay.
27:32 Speaker 01 To present to someone, like frustrating.
27:34 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah.
27:34 Speaker 01 So I'm like, hey, I took the leather off the ball in that one. I'm gonna write my own copy again. So I write my own copy for this award ceremony and I come into the awards and and I came with Tara, my wife now. But she's my girlfriend at the time.
27:49 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
27:50 Speaker 01 It's like a mini Academy Awards, like it's just like incredible. Every table is like an Academy Award table for that year. And I'm feeling very confident cuz I got this great dialogue.
27:59 Dax Shepard? Cuz you're one for one.
28:00 Speaker 01 I'm one for one. Can't lose. That's exactly right.
28:03 Dax Shepard? Huge history of crushing it, one for one.
28:05 Speaker 01 I'm unstoppable. I'm on a streak, I'm building a streak, okay? I'm building a streak.
28:11 Dax Shepard? Did you wear the same socks or anything?
28:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, so I show up and I didn't give the copy to the um to the teleprompter, you know? And I should, because I.
28:19 Dax Shepard? Why didn't you do that?
28:20 Speaker 01 I didn't occur to me cuz, you know, I was one for one. So and I should have know, like every person who went up there is like super famous and they're, they're like, wow, it's so bright, you know, under these lights. Should have been a good tip off. I get up there and I can't, I can't see a thing.
28:37 Dax Shepard? Okay.
28:38 Speaker 01 And the copy I've written and printed it out, it's like, you know, eleven size, like how New York Times Roman can't see a font.
28:47 Dax Shepard? Oh, boy. Does your heart rate immediately? Like, do you know you're fucked immediately?
28:51 Speaker 01 I know I'm kinda fucked immediately, but then, but then.
28:53 Dax Shepard? Feeling like it, is there?
28:55 Speaker 01 Well, then the jokes I have are awesome if I.
28:58 Dax Shepard? Set them up properly?
29:02 Speaker 01 You know, they're offensive if you don't.
29:05 Dax Shepard? Without the context?
29:08 Speaker 01 Oh, man. Hey, I gotta tell you, it was offensive and it was terrible.
29:14 Dax Shepard? Who's in the audience? Like, can you name some people?
29:17 Speaker 01 Oh, like, you know, it's like the Hurt Locker table. It's like, it's like.
29:21 Dax Shepard? Okay, people, everyone you'd wanna work with.
29:23 Speaker 01 Everybody you wanna work with in Hollywood, who, every single one who's going, who's going to the Academy Awards that year. Every single one is there. And I'm like the least famous person there, but I'm the guy who like gave a, who had one good presentation.
29:38 Speaker 01 And I know these people too. Like, there's a lot of people that I know. It's like, I wasn't looking for it as an opportunity, but I certainly wasn't looking for it to be a liability.
29:47 Dax Shepard? Right, right. Big career setbacks.
29:50 Speaker 01 Yeah. And I walked up so confidently and when I came back down there, I was just like, I couldn't believe it, dude. It was so bad.
29:59 Dax Shepard? The heat you're feeling in your face.
30:02 Speaker 01 I'm sweating, it's a mess.
30:03 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I wish there was video of this. I would love to see this. I wanna watch it, it bunts its arms off.
30:09 Speaker 01 I remember too, the joke was something about like, so, you know, when you're shooting film television, a lot of people's names are their first name and then their job. So you'd be like, oh, yeah, like Johnny Props.
30:19 Dax Shepard? Oh, right, right.
30:20 Speaker 01 Right?
30:20 Dax Shepard? Uh huh.
30:21 Speaker 01 You know, there's an art deck.
30:22 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
30:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, right. So I made this joke about something around that and like, I can't remember what it was, but it came across like they were somehow less than.
30:30 Dax Shepard? Sure.
30:32 Dax Shepard? You're gonna shit on the crew. Which by the way, it's like, the very opposite. I know, you really pride yourself. You know all the transpho guys.
30:41 Speaker 01 Of course, it's horrifying, right? So it's just a horrifying event. And I sit down and Tara puts her hand on my lap and she's like, something like, I love you, or you did great, or whatever it was, or so happy to be here with you.
30:52 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
30:53 Speaker 01 I was like, I'm gonna marry you. That's it.
30:54 Dax Shepard? Right, cause when.
30:56 Speaker 01 That's it. Yeah, I'm gonna marry this woman.
30:57 Dax Shepard? You found out that she would stand by you.
31:00 Speaker 01 Oh my gosh, in that room at that time, oh my god. Amanda, it gets tough. It was horrible.
31:05 Dax Shepard? Dude, I've had a couple of those, cause obviously I've had to come out and present a lot of awards and this and that. I had one where my urologist, no, no, not my urologist, my rheumatologist.
31:15 Speaker 01 Rheumatologist, yeah.
31:16 Dax Shepard? Was being honored, you know, by some lifetime.
31:18 Speaker 01 Some society thing.
31:19 Dax Shepard? Yes, and he's an older man, right?
31:21 Speaker 01 And he's proud that you're the one doing it because you're his like celebrity client.
31:25 Dax Shepard? He loves his celebrity clients and I think he's, he's astertained that I'm a little bright, right? So he's feeling confident to ask me, and I'm like, yes, I'd love to.
31:33 Speaker 01 Family's there.
31:33 Dax Shepard? Big event, big event.
31:34 Speaker 01 His colleagues are there.
31:35 Dax Shepard? I so dramatically underestimated what the mean age would be in the audience.
31:41 Speaker 01 Sure.
31:42 Dax Shepard? I'm like, yeah, I know he's 87, but I can't imagine this, this whole ball is gonna be all 87 year olds. In, in, in Tucker, it was 100% everyone was over 80. And I had a couple of mildly racy, steamy sex jokes.
31:56 Speaker 01 Sure.
31:56 Dax Shepard? Um, completely tanked. I mean, just the whole thing.
32:02 Speaker 01 Dicks out.
32:03 Dax Shepard? Yeah, and I remember I had ridden my motorcycle to the thing to avoid parking in traffic. It was such a lead balloon. Everything I said, they thought I was just a dirty pervert.
32:14 Dax Shepard? I shamed my rheumatologist.
32:17 Speaker 01 You brought shamed in.
32:18 Dax Shepard? I did, I did.
32:19 Speaker 01 On his night of celebration.
32:21 Dax Shepard? Yeah, we're supposed to be honored. I come in and just, whatever, jokes that would have worked in other places, did not work. Not one of them worked. And I haven't prepared much sincerity, cause how sincere can you be about your rheumatologist? You know, I appreciate him, but we haven't been through a lot of.
32:37 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You haven't been through the ups and downs.
32:39 Dax Shepard? Anyways, I just get on my motorcycle and I have this feeling, I go, yeah, man, that one, you shit the bed, and there'll be others, and some you'll shit the bed, some you'll do good. And I just decided, we're just gonna dump this right out of our head.
32:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's a great, that's great.
32:52 Dax Shepard? They can't all be winners and we just gotta let it go immediately.
32:55 Speaker 01 You should've said that, cause like, I have these interactions, you should've said that, like, going back to the truth conversation. Like, when I'm like at a wedding, you know, cocktail party or something, you know? You have these like, small talk, you know?
33:06 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
33:06 Speaker 01 A lot of times I'm like, well, Dax, it was really nice to meet you. I had a great conversation with you. I feel like this was a good interaction, yeah? Let's leave it on a high note and, uh, drinks on me here, you know? Like, I like to like have a nice, or you'd be like, you know? I think this is, I think this is a good time for us to maybe end the conversation, because I feel like we're, we're hitting all the big highlights and points. Let's leave it here and we'll feel good about each other. You feel good about me? I like to recap with how, did they know that I'm aware?
33:37 Dax Shepard? The exchange was.
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34:23 Dax Shepard? We would be remiss if we didn't collectively tell you how much we loved Kingdom. And particularly you on Kingdom.
34:30 Speaker 01 Yes.
34:31 Dax Shepard? Aaron was saying one of your top five characters of all time, I mean.
34:35 Speaker 02 Yeah, it was the first show Dax told me to watch when I got sober. Went away for a couple of months, came back and, um.
34:42 Dax Shepard? Cause Aaron hadn't watched TV for a decade.
34:44 Speaker 02 Yeah, and I hadn't watched anything. And now I find myself at that time, a little weary of even leaving the house.
34:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, you're a vocal.
34:52 Speaker 02 And man, I watched that fucking show and was obsessed. And then, of course, you don't know me, but I immediately thought, oh, well, maybe I can start drinking again and then be a badass and get up in the morning. And I was telling Dax how I was feeling about the show.
35:09 Speaker 01 No, no, no, no. He's like, you took the wrong message away.
35:12 Speaker 02 You can't drink like that and wake up in the morning.
35:15 Dax Shepard? You're never gonna look like Frank Barilo on the exchange.
35:17 Speaker 02 And you cannot, you don't look anything like that.
35:22 Speaker 01 We can, we can get you there though. We, I've got a great gym right there where, where Dax lives.
35:27 Speaker 02 But my god, that was, yeah, you might've been one of my first follows on Instagram, cause I created an Instagram account soon after that. And I've been following you ever since. I was like, this dude's fucking radical.
35:40 Speaker 01 I mean, look, it's really, it's like so gratifying to hear that, cause we worked so hard.
35:45 Speaker 02 Yeah.
35:45 Speaker 01 On that show.
35:46 Dax Shepard? Do you have any sorrow? It was so worthy of the kind of attention that many roles get when the show's like widely available and everyone sees it. Like, it was so worthy. You were so worthy of an Emmy, you were so worthy of a lot of attention.
36:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, it is a little, it's more heartbreaking now than it was kind of after. Just cause you really want people to see the work.
36:08 Dax Shepard? Yes, and especially what you did. It was such a commitment and you're so fucking good.
36:13 Speaker 01 I really appreciate it.
36:13 Dax Shepard? I mean, you are such a better actor than me. It's astounding. It's like, isn't it funny that we'd get introduced and we'd say we had the same job?
36:20 Speaker 01 No, I don't, I disagree with that entirely. And I think you're a wonderful actor and you're also, I think you're a wonderful actor and I wish you did more of it. As Aaron and I were saying, you've become so successful that you're able to get a neck tattoo. That's a sign, that's a sign of real success, you know? And ironically, I feel like for you from Michigan, there was two versions of the guy from Michigan with the neck tattoo. There's the guy who's like, I'll always be a GM, delivering fleet vehicles, which by the way, is an honorable, awesome job.
36:47 Dax Shepard? Absolutely. Not how honorable we were, but it's an honest job.
36:51 Speaker 01 And then there's the guy who's like, no, no, no, if I get the neck tattoo, it'll prohibit me from moving up to other things, where I might be able to have more success in other professions.
36:59 Dax Shepard? Right.
36:59 Speaker 01 And then there's Dax Shepard, who gets so successful. He's like, ah, we're gonna flip it back, I'm getting the neck. I dare you to not hire me.
37:09 Dax Shepard? Well, this sleeve was definitely that, uh, Tucker. It was my kind of weird declaration, cause of course I would have wanted to continue to get tattoos, but then it was such a pain in the ass. So I made up, I stopped, right?
37:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
37:19 Dax Shepard? And then to get to a place.
37:21 Speaker 01 Financially, I'm okay, I'll be okay.
37:22 Dax Shepard? I don't have to be presentable to this thing anymore. I don't need to be picked anymore. Oh my god, it felt so liberating. I kinda went a little wild. It's like, I'm like, I felt like I was reclaiming my real Dax, other than just actor Dax.
37:36 Speaker 01 But that Dax is what every actor needs to have anyways. That's the thing that people miss, right? It's like, if you are not wholly yourself, if you're thinking it's about getting picked versus being the fullness of who you are and what your experiences are in the world, then you don't get to be the actor you wanna be.
37:53 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
37:54 Speaker 01 It's the kind of actors who end up having like their back up against the wall, they get to do extraordinary work.
37:59 Dax Shepard? Yeah, like these Michael K. Williams, these people who you can tell have had real lives.
38:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, I mean Martin Luther, you know, standing there in front of the church draws a line in the sand. He says, here I stand, I can do no other. And like, you have to get to that point. So like, the irony is, is that you broke through a certain fear and said, I can get the tattoo now, but really that's what you need to do anyways, before you even reach that point. But that's what you want. When somebody comes into a room to audition for you for a role, you want somebody who's like, wow, that's wild, that's unique.
38:32 Dax Shepard? I just know that I feel that you are very worthy of having a Sam Rockwell persona.
38:38 Speaker 01 Like, what you need is to have be a show like Kingdom that goes onto a streaming platform that people can watch, to your point.
38:43 Dax Shepard? Yes, yes.
38:43 Speaker 01 So that's what I, I really am desperate to have. And I think, you know, I haven't really like expressed this, but I have noticed in the past few years, like there's two kinds of people that I work with, or in like business for me, those who have gotten a chance to see Kingdom and those who haven't. Like, those who have seen it, like, oh, they understand and I can do something beyond what is being presented. But I think, you know, you just have to keep, here's this, these signs from rehearsal lolly. Like, am I so impatient that I'm gonna quit or that I'm not gonna continue?
39:13 Dax Shepard? Or get resentful.
39:14 Speaker 01 Or get resentful? Totally. No, I gotta, you gotta be like grateful for the health of my family, you know? Like, I could be going to Children's Hospital, which is up here. That, this Children's Hospital.
39:24 Dax Shepard? We go a lot.
39:25 Speaker 01 You do?
39:25 Dax Shepard? Yeah. Yeah, we do like Christmas events there.
39:28 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, great. But you don't go for your, your daughters?
39:30 Dax Shepard? We've luckily never had to take, take our children.
39:33 Speaker 01 You don't wanna be going there, fighting for parking at 6:55 AM, knowing that the entire parking garage there is filled by 7 AM for people who are coming from all over the world to get their kids their sixth round of chemotherapy treatment. So like, if you wake up and your kid's not getting chemo, you know, that's, it's all encompassing. I mean, you've made a lot of money, but it's like money doesn't mean anything when your kid is sick. It's like you'd give up every single dollar for your daughter to be healthy.
40:00 Dax Shepard? Right.
40:00 Speaker 01 So I think if you start at that base level. Yeah, you want people to see the, the, the work that you've done. And the thing that's frustrating is you, you, it's hard to find roles that are as well-written and that give you the freedom that the, that role Jay Coolina did on Kingdom. So it's like, you know that those are limited, right?
40:17 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, they don't come along.
40:18 Speaker 01 They don't come along a lot. So that's the frustration. It's like, I only get a few of those hits.
40:22 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
40:23 Speaker 01 You know, that writer Byron Blasco, and I think he's maybe the best writer in the business.
40:26 Dax Shepard? He wrote Kingdom.
40:27 Speaker 01 He wrote Kingdom and ran that show and, and I know that we'll get to work together again. But I just, I love acting. I just love it so, I love the process so much, the freedom that it gives you.
40:38 Dax Shepard? We watched American Hostage this morning.
40:40 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah, the first two episodes.
40:42 Dax Shepard? First episode.
40:43 Speaker 01 I'm not in the first two.
40:44 Dax Shepard? Yeah, so I was sad about that, but, but I'll immediately say. It's a fucking great show. Dude, you're on another great show.
40:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, I this past few years, like I was looking at the business and after we had the strike and everything. You know, I just said, I can hold out for certain things. Or I can just go join this sort of like really cool projects with great cast and great people. And maybe it's not the same role like I don't get that same role. But by the an awesome role, I'm thrilled with what we did. That show felt like being American hostage felt like being a part of like a theater company.
41:17 Dax Shepard? Uh, I did.
41:18 Speaker 01 Everybody was so, yeah, everybody was so committed to what they were doing. And also, and this is something you don't really know unless you're in the business. Oftentimes there's this weird jockeying that can happen for like power and position on in a cat in a large ensemble. Of which I want nothing to do with that.
41:33 Dax Shepard? Right.
41:34 Speaker 01 I want nothing to do with that. I just want to do awesome work with awesome people. But you get into the press side of things and people can get weird. You know, they want to literally stand in a certain position for photos and stuff. You're like, I don't want to fight for this. And on that show, everybody knew what they were doing, what they were up for. Everybody was super supportive.
41:51 Dax Shepard? Also, everyone's been validated.
41:53 Speaker 01 Totally.
41:54 Dax Shepard? Right. That's what you really want. It's like everyone's already been validated.
41:57 Speaker 01 And you know the role you're getting on to? What's Minka doing?
41:59 Dax Shepard? She's on that ransom canyon show.
42:01 Speaker 01 Didn't they just cancel that?
42:02 Dax Shepard? Huge show. They just canceled it weirdly, but it was huge.
42:05 Speaker 01 Josh Duhamel's the best.
42:06 Dax Shepard? He is the best.
42:07 Speaker 01 Did we talk about him? Did I tell you about him flying with the Thunderbirds?
42:10 Dax Shepard? Oh my God, maybe you did tell me though.
42:12 Speaker 01 So I went up with the Thunderbirds.
42:13 Dax Shepard? Okay.
42:14 Speaker 01 And they were like, we came down, I said, how did I do? And they go, oh, you were the best we've ever had. You took the most cheese, the most cheese. No, no, you're the most cheese, the best. I'm like, feeling great. And then they go, oh, no, no, no, actually, that's not true. That's not true. You're the second best. I was like, what? Hey, but this is out of celebrities. So this is out of celebrities. So the bar is low, right? This is not like.
42:34 Dax Shepard? It's like when in the celebrity golf.
42:36 Speaker 01 Correct, correct. Yeah. So I said, who was the first, who was the, who was the best celebrity? They said, uh, Josh Duhamel. I said, you kidding me? Sure. What did you, what did you do with Josh? You didn't do with me? And they go, we did everything. We did everything with Josh that we did with you. But when we got out of the plane. And by the way, you feel like real woozy.
42:54 Dax Shepard? Sure, dude. Well, you told you, after you did it, you're like, dude, you gotta do this. I'm like, never. I don't want to fucking throw up in a fucking face mask.
43:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was amazing. I didn't do that. So it was, it was amazing. So, um, they go, Josh Duhamel came out of the plane and we asked him how he was doing. He's like, doing great. And then he pulled like an entire thing of dip out of his lip.
43:15 Speaker 01 And they were like, they were like, we can't even, that would make us sick. And then when I asked Josh about it later. He's like, oh man, he's like, it was the worst thing ever. He's like, I didn't realize that I had it. I totally forgot. And he says, I got up there and you know, you get strapped in. I mean, it takes like three people to get you into the cockpit. You've got all this gear and gack. You're sealed in because you're going to go to like 60,000 feet.
43:39 Dax Shepard? Already claustrophobic, just thinking.
43:41 Speaker 01 He's like, I couldn't take it out.
43:42 Dax Shepard? Right. Yeah. How could he? Where's he gonna put it?
43:45 Speaker 01 He's such a, he's such a man. He's such a man.
43:48 Dax Shepard? He is. He's effortlessly.
43:49 Speaker 01 He's so cool.
43:51 Dax Shepard? Well, if you remember, the first time you and I ever met was in front of Central Park. Kristen's trailer was there.
43:57 Speaker 01 Right. Yeah, that's right.
43:58 Dax Shepard? And she was friends with you and that's where I met you. And we were doing a movie with Josh Duhamel. We were doing When in Rome. He was the star. Yeah, he and Kristen were like lovers. But the funny thing that is dip related was at that time, that was 19 years ago. At that time, Kristen and I both dipped and Duhamel dipped. So the whole set was fucking empty pop bottles and shit, right? We're just disgusting. So then we all have to go to Italy to shoot for two weeks in Italy. And for whatever reason.
44:29 Speaker 01 They don't sell dip in Italy?
44:30 Dax Shepard? They do not sell dip.
44:32 Speaker 01 How do I know this?
44:33 Dax Shepard? Pack enough dip. So like day three, all of us are having a panic about what we're gonna do. And then Duhamel says, oh, well, Fergie's coming to visit.
44:46 Speaker 01 On the PGA.
44:46 Dax Shepard? I'll tell her to bring some dip. And we're like, oh my God, great.
44:50 Speaker 01 Fergie's delivery.
44:51 Dax Shepard? She shows up with a duffel bag of dip. Come to find out, sweet Fergie dips.
44:57 Speaker 01 Oh.
44:58 Dax Shepard? So there was a moment where we're standing in a piazza between shots while they're lighting. We got a fountain behind us. All four of us are sitting there with fucking empty Perrier bottles. Dipping and spitting. And I said, this is the first paparazzi photo I would love to be a part of. Okay, I want to know, soup to nuts, tell me about your cannabis business. I find this very fascinating.
45:19 Speaker 01 You know, the show I did for Netflix, I Will Find You is a limited series. American hostage is a limited series.
45:25 Dax Shepard? You're not going to get four years of work out of it.
45:27 Speaker 01 So I needed to find something to help me. And, um, let me just hold on to a bunch of cash and just wait for a great opportunity to present itself. Something that probably is going to need immediate liquidity. Uh, and I thought it'd be some real estate thing, like somebody who was in a jam. And I waited and was patient and I, somebody came to me and they had a family owned dairy farm in Massachusetts. And it was going out from under and they were, they needed capital to basically fund like a wildcatting expedition. For a cannabis cultivation, manufacturing and production facility. I was like, ah, you know, I don't really use cannabis. I'm not a, I think it's, you know, not adverse to it, but I've never wanted to invest in it. It's feels like it's federally, there's a lot of issues. I did all this diligence.
46:11 Speaker 01 As much kind of like work as I could from LA and then it all started checking out. And I jumped out of plane and visited the farm and met people and kind of local government officials and said, all right, let's, let's get rich quick.
46:23 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah.
46:23 Speaker 01 And I got, you know, cash pour on real fast.
46:26 Dax Shepard? Yeah. How many years ago?
46:27 Speaker 01 Now, eight years, you know, eight years later.
46:29 Dax Shepard? But you have three retail locations.
46:31 Speaker 01 We have four.
46:32 Dax Shepard? Four.
46:32 Speaker 02 One in Jersey, you said?
46:34 Speaker 01 I have one in New Jersey, uh, three in Massachusetts.
46:37 Dax Shepard? Tucker, that's radical.
46:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it is.
46:40 Dax Shepard? And it's called the Boston Garden, right?
46:42 Speaker 01 In Massachusetts, it's the Boston Garden.
46:43 Dax Shepard? And where, what is it in New Jersey?
46:45 Speaker 01 It's the public garden.
46:46 Dax Shepard? The public garden. Okay. I know you just did a play in Boston.
46:49 Speaker 01 Yeah, I did a staged reading, uh, with Jeffrey Donovan, who is a phenomenal actor. He was the star of Burn Notice and was the star of Long Order recently. And, um, he's in Sicario. Great actor. And he's from Massachusetts. And we both did sleepers together 30 years ago. He was a prison guard.
47:07 Dax Shepard? And Kevin Bacon.
47:08 Speaker 02 Oh, man.
47:09 Speaker 01 We were doing a bunch of like radio press and stuff for the reading. And he brought up sleepers and I said, you know, you keep glossing this over, but I just want the audience to know that 30 years ago, you know, you sexually assaulted me as a 12 year old.
47:23 Speaker 01 And he's like, oh, but in the movie, in the movie, it was in the movie.
47:25 Dax Shepard? You keep glossing over this.
47:27 Speaker 01 I said that to Kevin Bacon too, when we did a show.
47:29 Dax Shepard? A couple of the shows you've been on those shot, or at least were set there. Have you been there on a show?
47:35 Speaker 01 I, I shot the pilot of City on a Hill for Showtime with Kevin Bacon.
47:38 Dax Shepard? Yes.
47:39 Speaker 01 In Boston.
47:39 Dax Shepard? When you were there doing City on the Hill.
47:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
47:41 Dax Shepard? Did you have like a healing moment? Was it an incredible experience to be where you came from? Knowing you could be staying at the Ritz if you wanted to. Was there any kind of like healing fun aspect to that? Like having walked by areas as a kid and.
47:55 Speaker 01 Yeah, I mean, dude, shooting in Boston was unbelievable to me. I mean, it just was like the greatest. Yeah, it was incredible. So I grew up in this neighborhood that was known for anybody when I was growing up for like violence and bank robbing. Okay?
48:08 Dax Shepard? Particularly armored car.
48:10 Speaker 01 Yes, that's what they were people. So when I, I went to this lovely school out in the suburbs every day. And there would be kids sometimes who their parents would let them come over and play in my neighborhood. Because they thought Charleston was too dangerous. And so every time I meet them, I get like, well, I'm from Charleston. And I'm like, but it's not, you know, it's, it's a lovely neighborhood. It's not about, not about bank robbing. No, it's not violent. It's totally changed. It's a totally different place. So then I get this offer for this show where I play a guy from Charleston, who's a bank robber from the nineties. And I was like, so now I'm going to be propagating the same image that like I've been telling everybody it's not. You want to make your neighborhood proud. Like you guys want to make Michigan proud. It's a big part of who you guys are. And you want to be able to go home and let people recognize that you're going out into the world and representing the community well.
48:54 Speaker 01 And I felt that way when I was there doing.
48:56 Dax Shepard? But I had the experience, I didn't work in Michigan, but there was a very kind of amazing experience. I had just visiting Aaron one time. Cause when I was a kid, my mother would take us on Saturdays. Or Sundays and she'd drive us through this certain area of like Bloomfield Hills. And she'd pull up to a house and she'd go, okay, that person went to college, right? This person went to college. Like their, her point was like, if you want to be here, like this is how you get here, right? So that was my childhood. It was like kind of coveting this whole. And I was visiting Aaron. In fact, I was riding his motorcycle and we were passing this stretch on this lake everyone wants to live on. And I was seeing these houses I used to stare at. And I just, I think it's really hard to internalize success.
49:37 Dax Shepard? Whether it's because you're always looking at the next thing you want to accomplish or whatever it is, well, it's been hard for me to internalize it. And I just had this moment where I was looking at these houses and I, I was like, no way I could live here.
49:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
49:49 Dax Shepard? I needed that. I like, I needed from where I was from to recognize like, oh, if I chose, I could live. And I was like, oh my God. And this is 20 years of working and I never had that feeling, but I just had that. It was just an incredible feeling to go like, oh, I could actually fucking live here.
50:05 Speaker 01 I just wanted to be like, I just want to be a great actor. Like that's what, for me, that's my version of success. You just be a great actor.
50:11 Dax Shepard? That's why you're better than.
50:12 Speaker 01 And no.
50:14 Dax Shepard? I just wanted a nice house.
50:16 Speaker 01 I just want to be a great actor. And like in Boston, there is a thing like they, they do care about that.
50:22 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
50:22 Speaker 01 You know, like they do really respect that. Yeah, I've been good. And like, so there was something nice about being home. You're like, I'm going to do, I'm going to be, I'm so good that I can be on this set in Boston. And I promise you, I'm going to represent Boston and Charleston with the sense of like veracity that you guys know. And demand. That's what I felt really great.
50:41 Dax Shepard? Yeah, that's rad.
50:43 Speaker 01 Which is what you want to do for everything, by the way, with every character. You know, you, you have to know that there's somebody out there that's demanding a certain level of authenticity. And you have to be a little scared to.
50:54 Dax Shepard? Let them down?
50:55 Speaker 01 To let them down.
50:55 Dax Shepard? Yeah. Jonathan Tucker, I love you.
50:57 Speaker 01 Thanks, dude. This was so fun. It was great. We drive around all the time with you guys. This is a total blast.
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