Mom's Car: Dakota Fanning & Jake Johnson

On this week’s episode of Mom’s Car we welcome Dakota Fanning (The Sun Never Sets, Ripley, Man on Fire) and Jake Johnson (The Sun Never Sets, New Girl, The Dink). Dakota, Jake, Dax, and Best Friend Aaron Weakley talk through Dax and Aaron’s romantic movie night, bringing a rolling backpack to high school with zero shame, a firefighter uncle’s devastating theater review, treating dating apps like a casino, letting ADHD run wild on a hike, being just famous enough to get a restaurant table, and needing someone to confirm that the seven-foot man across the room is Shaq. Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://www.allstate.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Dax Shepard?

  Hello, I'm Dax. This is Aaron. Welcome to Mom's Car. Today we have Dakota Fanning and Jake Johnson. Friend of the pod, Jake Johnson, first time for Dakota Fanning. Of course, Dakota is an award-winning actor. I am Sam Ripley, War of the Worlds. My very favorite, what's the?

• 0:19Speaker 01

  Man on Fire.

• 0:20Dax Shepard?

  Fire, she's so good. Jake Johnson's a prick, what can I say? He's also an actor. We're here to help podcasts, so funny, I've been on it, New Girl, The Dink, Safety Not Guaranteed, and the movie that we swear to God is so good, The Sun Never Sets.

• 0:36Speaker 01

  So good.

• 0:37Dax Shepard?

  You'll hear how much we loved it. Please enjoy Dakota Fanning and Jake Johnson. This episode is brought to you by Allstate. Checking Allstate first could save you hundreds on car insurance. Not checking the dress code at the new restaurant, showing up in sandals and getting turned away at the door, no fun at all. Yeah, checking first is always a good move, so check Allstate first for an auto quote. It could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary, subject to terms, conditions, and availability. Allstate North American Insurance Company and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois. We are supported by Uber Eats, boom, boom, boom. In need of groceries? Uber Eats has you covered. From last-minute ingredients to weekly essentials,

• 1:18Dax Shepard?

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• 1:49Dax Shepard?

  Oh, look at this, here we go, here we go. Uber Eats time.

• 1:52Speaker 02

  You got one. Can you now say the delivery service?

• 1:54Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 1:57Dax Shepard?

  Yes. God, you know you're

• 1:59Speaker 02

  Dude, I do, I do.

• 2:02Dax Shepard?

  I'm so flattered. You know, were you flattered when she said she's

• 2:06Speaker 01

  Oh, you wanna do a double?

• 2:08Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 2:11Dax Shepard?

  We gotta buy a Dakota. Okay, normally I would say this to the end, but I'm gonna get right into our review of the film.

• 2:16Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 2:16Dax Shepard?

  The movie being The Sun Never Sets with you two. We sit down last night to watch it after a very romantic dinner at all times.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Just you two.

• 2:23Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, we got that crazy steak thing.

• 2:25Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  What a nice night for you guys.

• 2:27Dax Shepard?

  Oh, it was incredible. It was candlelit, we sit on the sidewalk, and then we come back, we turn it on. And the first act, I'm a little bit like, is this like, this is gonna be sad? Where are we at? Of course, to set it up, which is, you set it up.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  My character plays a guy who moved to Anchorage based off Joe Swamburg's real life, but not the Anchorage part, but the married with two kids and goes through divorce. I move up there, I hate it there, but it was one of those pandemic moves where I had to be there for the kids.

• 2:57Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  I start dating a younger, cooler woman, played by Dakota, with the rules of, we're never gonna get married, we're never gonna have kids.

• 3:06Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  But just

• 3:07Dax Shepard?

  Your rules.

• 3:08Speaker 01

  Yes, but like, but set between them.

• 3:11Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  Of like, we talked about that from the beginning, of this is just what it is, but we do love each other. She's essentially like a stepmom and they have this whole

• 3:18Dax Shepard?

  Your kids love her.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  Love me. Yeah, life is working.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  Life is working for both of them.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  Except your parameters sort of

• 3:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:25Dax Shepard?

  You have a girlfriend who gets pregnant.

• 3:27Speaker 02

  I have a girlfriend, played by Debbie Ryan, who gets pregnant. She's sort of putting the pressure on me of, don't you, like, this is kind of what you wanted, are you sure that you don't want this still? I claim that I don't.

• 3:37Speaker 01

  She's right at that point of life, and this was something Joe in real life, you know, goes through because he does feel if somebody has that moment taken from them, they have resentment forever.

• 3:47Dax Shepard?

  Yes, of course.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  So you go like, well, I was with you during those years, but now I've realized I've missed something that you have, and now I hate you for it.

• 3:55Dax Shepard?

  And let's be real about this, when I consider Kristen leaving me, which could happen for numerous reasons, and I think about having to date someone again, one of the many reasons I wouldn't want to have kids with someone ever again is like, the enthusiasm and excitement that you have for child number one is so special.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Agreed.

• 4:12Dax Shepard?

  And you don't even have it for child number two, for your own kid.

• 4:15Speaker 01

  You got curbside, 4425.

• 4:18Dax Shepard?

  Oh.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  Look inside, my kid.

• 4:20Dax Shepard?

  Where is 4425? This is half of the show, is us trying to figure out

• 4:25Dax Shepard?

  This is great, though, meet on the curb is fun, because

• 4:27Speaker 02

  Then you see the person.

• 4:29Dax Shepard?

  Yes, and I thought we would do the show, and some people would be excited to meet me, and everyone's leave at the door. So I've not gotten to meet virtually anyone, so the whole premise of the show unraveled in the first episode.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  You should just say, all these things that you're saying, I already know them all.

• 4:46Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 4:47Speaker 02

  All these stories.

• 4:49Dax Shepard?

  Oh, all my opinions.

• 4:51Speaker 02

  I know them.

• 4:52Dax Shepard?

  It might be a fun game for you, Jake, to ask me a question and let Dakota answer it.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  When did Dax lose his virginity?

• 5:00Speaker 02

  12?

• 5:01Dax Shepard?

  Yes. Boom, holy fuck, Dakota.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  What was Dax's first car that he fell in love with?

• 5:07Speaker 02

  Oh, I, I don't know that, I don't know that.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  A little specific, probably said it, but I didn't absorb that one.

• 5:16Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so back to you. So if Kristen, you know, my issue would be like, I would feel very bad for a new partner that I wouldn't be able to give them the enthusiasm they would deserve, because I just don't think you can replicate it.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree.

• 5:28Dax Shepard?

  Suffice to say, what's your genius plan then, your character's genius plan, Jake, to deal with this set?

• 5:34Speaker 01

  Jack's plan in this situation is for Wendy to go out and spend the summer and date other people. To see what's out there in Anchorage, so that she can have kind of a rough summer with kind of, you know, goofy guys. And the character, that guy Brad, is the perfect example.

• 5:53Dax Shepard?

  Oh, good.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  And so Jack's thought is, he's gonna have Wendy date other people and then basically come home and say, I won't have resentment for you later. I saw, it's not you holding me back, this is what I want.

• 6:09Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you're very confident. By the way, I'm identifying with you, I'm like, this is a kind of stupid plan I might have.

• 6:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I loved about the idea.

• 6:17Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you seem like you're really generous.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  He gets to win.

• 6:21Dax Shepard?

  Yes, and always, he gets what he wants, and then

• 6:23Speaker 01

  He's going to get her back, and he's so generous and confident and cool. So Joe Swamburg in real life did this.

• 6:29Dax Shepard?

  Oh, he did this? I was gonna say, it felt so, like, it had to have happened to somebody involved in creating it. And then your character additionally, not only the kids and the marriage, but also you are whimsical and you still want to be on adventures and you want to buy this boat and maybe explore.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  I do, and also, you know, I mean, it's set in Alaska, it's set in Anchorage. Everyone there is outdoorsy, hiking all the time, taking little planes, getting on a boat, driving here, camping there, I mean, that's

• 6:55Dax Shepard?

  Or in Blackout, so those are the two options. Uber outdoorsy or stage nine alcohol.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  And fist fighting in bars at 6pm.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:04Dax Shepard?

  Never gotten almost more fights than in

• 7:10Speaker 02

  So she's definitely still wanting to do all of that and wanting a partner who will do that with her. That's not who Jake's character is at all, he's super open about it, she accepts it. So basically, on her adventure to go out and see what's out there, she runs into her ex-boyfriend Chuck, who's played by Corey Michael Smith.

• 7:27Dax Shepard?

  Great turn. You're like, yeah, who's she gonna meet that she's gonna have this connection with? And then, of course, anyone who you have unsettled business with is gonna have some crazy power over you for the rest of your life. Very plausible.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:39Dax Shepard?

  So from Aaron and I's point of view, what we're going through is like, okay, it's a relationship, she wants a child, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Here's the plan. We're both still just kind of like, okay, okay, okay. When you meet the ex-boyfriend, and now that thing is happening, the conversation on the couch between you two

• 7:56Speaker 01

  We lost it.

• 7:58Dax Shepard?

  We were screaming, laughing, watching a man get hoisted by his own batard. Oh, this genius, and you're fucking 180 in four sentences. The fact that you're screaming, I want to have a baby with you more than anything.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  And Dakota on that couch, the way Wendy is, she's so, the status has changed.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 8:25Speaker 01

  And she's now, not like, even when I offer her the wine and she's like,

• 8:29Speaker 02

  I don't want to.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  It's like, I come in like my stupid little slacks, where I'm like, you can't keep coming here, have some wine, we're about to have sex. It's gonna be great.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  He's like, actually, no, I'm about to leave.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  And then he's like, wait, no, you're supposed to drink wine, and he's charmed. I knew how this night was going.

• 8:45Dax Shepard?

  Um, what a great story, though.

• 8:47Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 8:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, so what else did you think?

• 8:50Dax Shepard?

  We, neither of us have slept in 24 hours, and we're, and we got to it really late.

• 8:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 8:57Dax Shepard?

  Dax is like, you better stay awake at least for some of it, because I'm probably falling asleep. Anyway, even if I'm rested.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  You get drowsy.

• 9:06Dax Shepard?

  And, man.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  We loved it.

• 9:09Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 9:10Dax Shepard?

  We were screaming, laughing.

• 9:11Speaker 01

  Be right there.

• 9:12Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 9:13Dax Shepard?

  Have you ever eaten here?

• 9:13Speaker 02

  No.

• 9:14Dax Shepard?

  No, nor I. I don't like fish, but you already know that.

• 9:17Speaker 02

  I do.

• 9:18Dax Shepard?

  We would have the weirdest first date. Really be like thinking what

• 9:23Dax Shepard?

  In eight years, twelve hundred episodes, what could possibly be left about me?

• 9:28Speaker 01

  You know it all.

• 9:29Dax Shepard?

  How handsome Weekly is?

• 9:30Speaker 02

  Oh, he's so sweet.

• 9:31Dax Shepard?

  Isn't he?

• 9:32Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 9:32Dax Shepard?

  Isn't he the greatest?

• 9:33Speaker 02

  He's the greatest. Yes.

• 9:35Dax Shepard?

  I'm so in love with him. Been going so long, you know?

• 9:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:39Dax Shepard?

  We're on forty years of being in love. And how about you, Dakota?

• 9:41Speaker 02

  I do. So I was homeschooled until I was in ninth grade and then I started going to

• 9:46Dax Shepard?

  Campbell Hall.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  Campbell Hall, yes. And so my friends are all from that time and we're all still friends. So except for the Burkholders, those are all, those are older friends than Campbell Hall because Max and Elle did a movie together when they were four.

• 9:58Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, I missed the part. Where's your best friend from?

• 10:01Speaker 02

  Well, I'm born in Georgia originally, moved to LA when I was six and started acting. And then I was homeschooled until ninth grade and then I went to school here at regular school.

• 10:10Dax Shepard?

  Do you think you're missing anything sociologically that you would have learned in that period of interacting with other little kids?

• 10:17Speaker 02

  I think I missed the part where kids are the meanest to each other.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  They did.

• 10:21Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 10:22Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 10:22Speaker 02

  Like the stories of seventh and eighth grade that my friends have, I'm like, I'm really glad I passed that.

• 10:31Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah. It was fun for us and it seems that no one else enjoys it.

• 10:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, you love seventh grade.

• 10:37Dax Shepard?

  It's the best year of my whole life. And I've had a great life and I'd still live that one on repeat if I could.

• 10:42Speaker 02

  But that's how I feel about high school. Like I loved every single second of it. I loved it. Going to Campbell Hall in LA, like there was no weirdness that I was an actor. Everybody's parent was, you know, there was a parent who was somebody or somebody knew somebody.

• 10:54Dax Shepard?

  You weren't a freak.

• 10:55Speaker 02

  No, there wasn't any of that. And it's all my best friends to the stare.

• 10:58Dax Shepard?

  How were you dealing with, I even found as an adult, like I did without a paddle, right? And that was my first movie and I had the most amazing connective experience of my life with two dudes I had never met.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:10Dax Shepard?

  And at the end of it, Lillard had already done thirty movies. He goes, I just want you to know, we're never gonna see each other again.

• 11:18Dax Shepard?

  What are you saying?

• 11:19Speaker 02

  I know.

• 11:20Dax Shepard?

  We're brothers.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  I would, I will say, I think because I was so young and like doing these movies, like a lot of the people really did stay a part of my life in various ways.

• 11:30Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  But um, I did a movie with Kurt Russell, who I know you also know, and we became really close and we still are to this day. But I could go five years and not see him and then see him and then we're in a corner talking for the whole night and like, you know, whatever.

• 11:46Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 11:46Speaker 02

  Um, but he told me when we did the movie together because we had just developed this really special bond.

• 11:53Dax Shepard?

  I'm so in love with the message.

• 11:54Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm like, he's just the greatest. But um, he taught me that. He was like, I want you to understand it's not gonna be this way ever again. You know what I mean?

• 12:03Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 12:04Speaker 02

  Like it's, we might go years where we don't see each other.

• 12:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  But I want you to always know that I love you.

• 12:11Dax Shepard?

  It's real. I love you.

• 12:12Speaker 02

  Always here for you and it's so real. And it, and just because we don't keep in touch like all the time, all the time, all the time.

• 12:20Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 12:21Speaker 02

  Does not take away how special our relationship is.

• 12:24Dax Shepard?

  Yes, yeah.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  You know, looking back, I always remembered that, you know?

• 12:27Dax Shepard?

  Cause I just imagine it'd be a little hard for me to compute when I was in elementary school.

• 12:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:32Dax Shepard?

  If I was best friends with someone and then they were gone. I don't know. But maybe it wouldn't be. I don't know.

• 12:37Speaker 02

  I don't know. I mean, it was fine.

• 12:39Dax Shepard?

  Can we talk about? It's fine. Good, good.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  I enjoyed it. I don't know.

• 12:44Dax Shepard?

  Prefer.

• 12:44Speaker 02

  It was fine.

• 12:46Dax Shepard?

  Now, the weird thing about Kurt, I didn't know you guys were bros like that, but I gotta say numerous times when we were watching the movie last night, I was like, she looks a lot like Kate.

• 12:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 12:57Dax Shepard?

  You get that a lot?

• 12:58Speaker 02

  Yes, I do.

• 12:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 13:00Speaker 02

  And I know Kate pretty well too.

• 13:01Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you were in her shorts she made when I was dating her.

• 13:04Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 13:04Dax Shepard?

  I remember being in the editing room after that whole thing.

• 13:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've always been told. I've always been told that.

• 13:10Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, so for him, even easier probably to fall in love with you.

• 13:12Speaker 02

  He saw me as like a little mini Kate, you know, he got to kind of like, you know, have that little special thing with another little girl who looked just like her. And I mean, there's just the, Goldie's unbelievable, Kate's unbelievable. Like it's just such a great.

• 13:24Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Okay, since we're talking about your early work, there's really just, cause I promised you I wasn't gonna dig.

• 13:29Speaker 02

  It's okay.

• 13:30Dax Shepard?

  Um, the movie that I can't believe your performance in, I couldn't then and I still can't wrap my head around it, is Man on Fire.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  Oh, the best.

• 13:39Dax Shepard?

  Fuck. Fuck.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  Crazy bear.

• 13:42Dax Shepard?

  Oh my god, your little face in the swimming pool and the shoes and thing. You know the go and you're a good little trooper.

• 13:50Speaker 02

  I know. I know.

• 13:52Dax Shepard?

  I wanna know, like Jake, you've obviously seen Man on Fire, right?

• 13:57Speaker 01

  How old are you now?

• 13:58Speaker 02

  Nine.

• 13:59Dax Shepard?

  Nine.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:00Dax Shepard?

  Among the best acting I've ever seen in my whole life.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  Thank you. Thank you.

• 14:04Dax Shepard?

  And I wanna know, is it easier to be that good when you're younger and harder when you're older? Like, I'm always curious about that.

• 14:11Speaker 02

  I don't approach it any differently than I did when I was that age. I've tried to keep the, at the end of the day, it's just using your imagination.

• 14:19Dax Shepard?

  Do you not get more self-conscious as an adult though?

• 14:21Speaker 02

  You do, but I really try to stay away from, I really try to stay away from that.

• 14:25Dax Shepard?

  That was another thing I have really observed is your lack of vanity in this movie.

• 14:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:30Dax Shepard?

  Not that you didn't look fantastic, but you're not in hair and makeup.

• 14:32Speaker 02

  No, not really, no. And so I do try to keep a perspective of like, you know, the way that you observe yourself is not the way that other people observe you, you know, like when I laugh really loud, my like nose crinkles up and like, you know, I get like a little double chin sometimes, like and I, I see a picture, I'll be like, oh, oh my god. And then I've had other people, I've had other people be like, oh my god, when you laugh so loud, like when you really laugh and your nose crinkles up, like, oh, I love when you do that. And I'm like, okay, there we go. I mean, you know what I mean? So you just can't hold on

• 15:04Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 15:05Speaker 02

  Too tightly to those things. Cause you're not, you're not able to see yourself.

• 15:10Dax Shepard?

  What about teenagers?

• 15:12Speaker 02

  Still fine.

• 15:13Dax Shepard?

  You never not, you never didn't do it in some sense.

• 15:16Speaker 02

  I never didn't do it.

• 15:17Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 15:17Speaker 02

  Um, and I think because I was homeschooled until ninth grade, like I showed up to the first day of ninth grade in like a plaid, the uniform, like no one would really wear the plaid skirt that much. I showed up in like the plaid skirt and I had a rolling backpack.

• 15:32Dax Shepard?

  Oh no, a rolling?

• 15:35Speaker 02

  Nerd. Like I had a rolling backpack.

• 15:38Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, plaid skirt's fine, but me, the rolling backpack is a big mess.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  Little fifty year old woman at the airport.

• 15:43Speaker 02

  And, but, but by the way, like I did not give a fuck.

• 15:49Dax Shepard?

  Oh wow.

• 15:50Speaker 02

  Like people might have thought that was embarrassing. I was like, this is what I wanted, had my name on it. Like I really didn't care at all. Again, I didn't have those traumatizing years of being like, oh, thinking about every move you make and being made fun of for it or whatever. Like I went, I was homeschooled by the same teacher from second grade to when I went to school. And so I think it gave me a unique bit of like confidence and esteem. And lack of self-consciousness. And I kept that rolling backpack the whole first year and then we switched it up the next year.

• 16:22Speaker 01

  You formed some friends and they're like, please Dakota, please, it's for our group.

• 16:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  We like you, we can't have, we can't have that shit in the group.

• 16:31Dax Shepard?

  Hey, take that on vacation this summer and then leave it wherever you go on vacation.

• 16:35Speaker 02

  I wore it to my last day of senior year.

• 16:37Dax Shepard?

  Oh, I like that. Still to this day, when I do something, I hear the voices of the kids in my school going, you fucking pussy. You know, like if I'm like sharing about something emotional, it's like, I hear them going like, oh, you need so much fucking attention, don't you? Like those, those, the chorus, my shadow is really these guys we grew up with. We just could not be masculine enough. It was impossible. Do you have that, Jake?

• 17:05Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I have. Those voices are more a couple of my uncles.

• 17:09Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 17:09Speaker 01

  That were, it wasn't ever meant to be mean.

• 17:12Dax Shepard?

  That's what uncles.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  Yes, but it was more like, one Uncle Paul, who I adore, saw a live show, a two-person show I'd written that I was traveling the country with.

• 17:20Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  And he had just finished a big shift as a fireman where he was on for, you know, whatever it is, the thirty hours.

• 17:25Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  And he watched it and it's a two-person show. There was like a dan, improvised dance we do that was supposed to be comedic.

• 17:31Dax Shepard?

  That's gonna be rough for him.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  There was like an old timey bit that we didn't fully have figured out, but it was like me with like a little umbrella. It was just, it was, there were some hits and misses.

• 17:41Dax Shepard?

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  And at the end, he walked over and he said, don't do anything I wouldn't do, but it's too late for that. And I'm like, again, thank you so much for coming.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  My buddy Billy was like, what'd he say? I was like, it wasn't warm.

• 17:58Dax Shepard?

  It must be right here.

• 18:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 18:00Dax Shepard?

  All right. See you in a sec.

• 18:02Speaker 01

  Also, part of Uber Eats is just picking up, you pick up like four or five.

• 18:06Dax Shepard?

  Drop it off. Yeah, that's right. It's just people wanna get rid of their food.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  Also, it's kind of crazy, out of curiosity, we didn't look at where the first woman's having delivered.

• 18:14Speaker 02

  I know. I feel like that's, you're not supposed to.

• 18:16Dax Shepard?

  She told me what it was.

• 18:17Speaker 02

  Oh, she did. Oh.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  What is it?

• 18:18Dax Shepard?

  So she owns a business and she made a jacket herself. And then somehow this jacket's going somewhere that will be shipped. I'm not sure why, why there's an intermediary, but, but yeah.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  She's a jacket maker.

• 18:30Dax Shepard?

  What's in there? Your wallet?

• 18:31Speaker 01

  No, um, drinks.

• 18:33Dax Shepard?

  Oh, it's perfect.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:35Dax Shepard?

  Okay, another moment you guys have to know about. This has happened to me twice this year. So did you guys happen to see the invite?

• 18:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  No, I haven't yet.

• 18:41Speaker 02

  I have, yes.

• 18:42Dax Shepard?

  Okay. And you already know this unfortunately.

• 18:44Speaker 02

  That's okay.

• 18:44Dax Shepard?

  But there's a moment where Penelope Cruz, who is just, she's so powerful.

• 18:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:49Dax Shepard?

  Cause a siren, you know, and she looks at Seth Rogen and she's like, I want you to take me into that room. And the way she said it, I literally, and it embarrassed Monica, we were in a screening with journalists and I go, oh yeah. I like, I clung it. I was like, yes, I'll go with you. I don't care about my family or my parents.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  Right now, Cher is going like this. This is why.

• 19:12Dax Shepard?

  Got him.

• 19:12Speaker 01

  I got him.

• 19:13Dax Shepard?

  Got him.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  Here's the clip.

• 19:14Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so, yeah, you guys have this fight. It's going sideways and then it fucking heats up in this way that's so real. And when you guys started fucking kissing, we were like, yes, fucking giggle. What was it like being in Alaska? How long were you guys in Alaska?

• 19:30Speaker 02

  We were there for like a month, I think.

• 19:33Dax Shepard?

  During what month?

• 19:35Speaker 02

  May, June.

• 19:36Dax Shepard?

  Oh, perfect.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  It was a perfect time.

• 19:37Speaker 02

  It was a perfect time. Really, the sun never set.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  Yes. I just started feeling weird.

• 19:42Dax Shepard?

  Oh, you did?

• 19:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:44Dax Shepard?

  From the smells in the car?

• 19:45Speaker 01

  In Alaska. No, no, no, in Alaska.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  That was so sweet. Yeah, it was so dad backs.

• 19:55Dax Shepard?

  I got really worried about me.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  That just showed our dynamic when you see me as a nine year old boy. Out of nowhere during the thing, I go, I feel weird.

• 20:02Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I was, oh no.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  What can we do? Let's get him out of the car.

• 20:06Dax Shepard?

  Need some water? Eat some food, eat some food.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  I wish I was that open with my feelings.

• 20:11Speaker 02

  Oh my god, that's so funny.

• 20:12Dax Shepard?

  Nine seventy?

• 20:13Speaker 03

  Nine seventy.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  Fedora.

• 20:14Speaker 03

  Leave at four oh six.

• 20:16Dax Shepard?

  Beautiful, that's the one, and this is this.

• 20:18Speaker 01

  Okay, I love you guys.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  Bye. Did you leave it at door?

• 20:21Dax Shepard?

  I did.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 20:22Dax Shepard?

  So Jake, you've had a kind of a monster year. I keep noticing that the Dink is like number one movie. I'm so happy for you.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's been a nice run. It's a, it's a really fun movie and it's really light. And I honestly, and even though it's tonally so different, it's what I like about The Sun Never Sets Two.

• 20:38Speaker 02

  For me too, it was like, I am somebody who is single and dating and you can get really like cynical and depressed by like the state of how that goes sometimes.

• 20:51Dax Shepard?

  Do you use apps?

• 20:52Speaker 02

  I had one stint on an app and then I talked shit about it on a talk show and I felt like I had to delete it after that because I would have been a hypocrite.

• 20:59Dax Shepard?

  Oh, I don't know. You can be a hypocrite in love, yeah.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  I was, it was, it was like, it was like.

• 21:04Dax Shepard?

  It was a disaster.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  A disaster.

• 21:07Dax Shepard?

  Did you get at all, like, I just imagine.

• 21:09Speaker 02

  Oh my god, I'm totally addicted to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. And then they're like, you can unlock more, like, and I, but I wouldn't unlock more. I would wait, they have to wait for it to fill back up again. It was like crazy.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  The addiction ends. So the addiction of it is just, you see all the options.

• 21:23Speaker 02

  All the options that are on this app, I suppose.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  But you can either just, the addiction part of it goes, you go like, sure, I would, I would, I wouldn't, I wouldn't. And then if the I would's right back, it's that rushed?

• 21:33Speaker 02

  I guess.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, the ma, like matching.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  That becomes the fun, like casino slot shit.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  And then I just like wouldn't text back, like, and they would send me a message and I wouldn't message back. And then I was like, why am I doing this? Like, I don't want to do this.

• 21:45Dax Shepard?

  Again, sadly, we're kind of hardwired to attempt to get the best we can.

• 21:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:50Dax Shepard?

  Right? You want the best option that's available to you in anything, whatever that is. Yeah, I would imagine I'd be like, oh yeah, she's so cute. And look, she went to this school. That's cool. I wonder, is there someone better than that? I mean, just take a peek.

• 22:03Speaker 02

  I mean, it's just, it's like, I don't, I ultimately just kind of, it didn't feel like it was, for me, it felt like a game, too much of a game.

• 22:12Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 22:12Speaker 02

  But point being, it's very easy to get like down about that. And I, and I do think with this movie, what I liked about it is that, at least when I watch it, it doesn't feel like a cynical take on relationships and dating.

• 22:25Dax Shepard?

  It's not cynical at all, but I will say, Aaron and I, at the end of it, we both collectively, just like they should, we're like, yeah, we're the worst, man. This whole like, dude, we're worse, terrible. Like the whole, it's not my thing. Every guy, we're like, we don't want to do one thing that's not our thing. And so we're guilty of it.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  That's so exactly right. Disgusting, like relatable.

• 22:51Dax Shepard?

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• 24:20Dax Shepard?

  You got these cokes?

• 24:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:22Dax Shepard?

  What's the, oh, that's that.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  It's the big boy.

• 24:24Dax Shepard?

  Oh, good.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  You want help?

• 24:25Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, come with me.

• 24:26Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 24:28Dax Shepard?

  You could double the odds of us getting recognized right now.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  So far to order hamburgers from.

• 24:35Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 24:35Speaker 02

  Shanita, Shanita.

• 24:37Dax Shepard?

  Of all the hamburger joints in all the world.

• 24:40Speaker 02

  The things that I've done that are too close and too far, like I can't even.

• 24:46Speaker 01

  You have no judgment.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  I have no judgment.

• 24:48Dax Shepard?

  We one time delivered ice cream to people like 40 minutes to lay off the pie.

• 24:54Speaker 02

  I've done that, I've done that.

• 24:54Dax Shepard?

  I'm like, here's your glass of milk.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  You're, you're gonna, there's a plate. Has anybody ever been to Brewster's? Is there a Brewster's where you are in Tennessee?

• 25:02Dax Shepard?

  Let's go.

• 25:02Speaker 02

  Brewster's is an ice cream place that I grew up with in Georgia and they're on the East Coast. And there's one in La Cienega.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  And it has my favorite flavor of ice cream ever, which is cotton candy.

• 25:16Dax Shepard?

  Oh, you like cotton candy?

• 25:18Speaker 02

  I don't like it from everywhere.

• 25:19Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 25:20Speaker 02

  I only like it from.

• 25:21Dax Shepard?

  It's a very child's order.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 25:23Dax Shepard?

  Cotton candy.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  But it is my favorite and I have gotten it delivered from the Brewster's in La Cienega. But my favorite thing is Dairy Queen. So when you do talk about Dairy Queen, that's like, soft serve is my favorite. Like Dairy Queen is my absolute favorite.

• 25:37Dax Shepard?

  What's your order at Dairy Queen?

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Um, I mean, sometimes I'll just get like just a cup of vanilla, like really plain. Like I love the soft serve, like a really big one or hot fudge and I make them put it on the bottom too.

• 25:48Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh, okay, great. Never a Blizzard?

• 25:51Speaker 02

  I don't get the Blizzards.

• 25:52Dax Shepard?

  Mine is a hot fudge sundae with extra hot fudge, small, and then the banana split Blizzard. And then this year, which was so exciting is now they're adding fruity Pebbles to Blizzard. So fucking banana split plus fruity Pebbles and Heath bar. Oh my god.

• 26:08Speaker 02

  I don't eat fruit, so I don't do banana split.

• 26:11Dax Shepard?

  You don't eat fruit at all? Cause you have an allergy?

• 26:14Speaker 02

  Nope.

• 26:14Dax Shepard?

  No, you just don't like the taste of it.

• 26:16Speaker 02

  I don't like the texture of fruit.

• 26:18Dax Shepard?

  You're so weird. I like it.

• 26:22Dax Shepard?

  What else?

• 26:23Speaker 01

  That was the fun of Alaska.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  That would, Jake would just ask me, like, what about this? And I'd be like, I don't like it.

• 26:31Dax Shepard?

  I just want you guys to clock that this guy is opening and closing his door a ton and it's exciting and I, who knows what's next? He might barrel roll out the side at some point, but he, you'll see, he's gonna have his door open here pretty shortly. You won't have to wait long, I promise. The door's coming. Oh, I bet I know what's going on.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  It wasn't locking?

• 26:49Dax Shepard?

  It's fucking hot as hell in there. He doesn't have any ceiling and he's getting more air.

• 26:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:54Dax Shepard?

  As soon as he slows down, he pops the door open. This is great. I one time had a cab ride, my favorite cab ride of my life. I don't think the brakes were not working. But his chosen method to slow down is as he was approaching the stoplight, he'd be using some brake, but then he put it in neutral. And then as he got really close, he'd pop it in reverse and give it a little gas in the back. It would fucking jerk. And I'm like, this guy's using reverse as a brake. Cause why not? It's not his car, it's the fucking cab.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:22Dax Shepard?

  And I could have driven cross country with this guy. Like, I want to see if he slows down on the highway by sliding it in reverse.

• 27:29Speaker 02

  Oh, he's doing.

• 27:30Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Okay, great.

• 27:32Speaker 01

  Oh, I bet the window doesn't open.

• 27:33Dax Shepard?

  But maybe the windows don't go down either. And he's got his girl with him.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  And he's texting. He's texting.

• 27:38Dax Shepard?

  And he's shooting dope.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  He's doing everything but driving.

• 27:44Dax Shepard?

  I've said that to people. You seem to be doing everything but driving. But Dakota, you're, you're truly outrageously good in this. I mean, the entire movie really is on your shoulders in that, do we believe this emotional ride or not? And you're so phenomenal. And Jake said, when I invited him on a couple of days ago, he said, you'll have to watch the movie because it's very important to me that you see how good Dakota is.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  Oh, that's so nice.

• 28:09Dax Shepard?

  And he was dead on.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  I think it's a really special performance.

• 28:12Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 28:13Speaker 03

  It was so good that like, I bailed on Jake when you were shooting pool.

• 28:20Speaker 03

  Like, I was like.

• 28:21Dax Shepard?

  Let's go.

• 28:24Speaker 01

  Geez, that's just a big one. But I came back.

• 28:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, by the way, that would happen. That would happen while we were filming. That's what happened while we were filming, and that's also the magic of Joe's process is that things are, nothing's set in stone.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  No.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  It can go anywhere. This movie could, could have gone in any direction.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  You know?

• 28:45Speaker 01

  It's a movie that is meant to remind you of the stomach aches of those situations. Because I did feel that stomach ache tension at times that I haven't felt in life in a while. Where you're like, oh, that thing that I thought was, for lack of a better word, mine is not.

• 29:03Dax Shepard?

  Mm hmm.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  And you just go like, oh, it's so, like, it's what makes love so brutal. And even if you're in a long-term relationship, you think it's forever. And then all of a sudden, you realize like, oh, everything could change. And you just go like, oh.

• 29:18Dax Shepard?

  Well, and social sciences have known, behavioral economics know that we have a loss bias, right? So if you watch people bet and you phrase something in a way that they're gonna lose, they will do illogical betting, right? They'll do illogical trading.

• 29:34Speaker 01

  Well, explain what that means. I don't get it.

• 29:35Dax Shepard?

  So like, if you position like, you have a 50% chance of winning this. And then you do the experiment versus you go, you have a 50% chance of losing that. Just them hearing the word losing versus, now, it's all the same, right? It's 50/50. But, but people will overwhelmingly

• 29:50Speaker 01

  Go crazy.

• 29:51Dax Shepard?

  Not participate in something that they have 50% chance of losing. But they will, they will participate overwhelmingly if they have a 50% chance of winning. And then they get way more complex than that. But you can see people's behavior become quite illogical based on this loss bias. So it's like, that's what's happening. You have this person, you, how many times have you broken up with somebody? And you were so certain, and then you're driving home from their apartment and you're like, oh, my God, I think that might be the love of my life. It's just like, I've lost it and now all of a sudden I have no sense of how I feel about the person.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:21Dax Shepard?

  So I want to air this experience you and I had, Jake. And I'm mostly curious if you've repeated it as many times as I have. So the last time we did one of our hikes, and for people don't know, um, our friendship is hikes. We, we always do hikes together. And then last year, we decided like, let's fucking walk all the way over the mountain and then end it at Capital Grill and have like a King's fucking lunch.

• 30:44Speaker 01

  I can't wait for our next one.

• 30:45Dax Shepard?

  Oh, me too. It was like a three and a half hour hike.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  So fun.

• 30:48Dax Shepard?

  And we start the hike, this is the part I tell to everyone, um, we start the hike and within 12 minutes of walking, we have 60 different conversations going. And I go, I go, oh, hold on, hold on. We're like, we are fucking all over the map. And then you said, you just looked at me and you go, dude, let's fucking ADHD out on us. Like, let's not police ourselves at all. And it was like this weird, like, should we, like, it was a commitment. And I go, yeah, let's let it rip. And we were like, well, space, relationships, um, taxes, fucking gay rights.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  Anything.

• 31:28Dax Shepard?

  Anything in the universe was on the table all at once.

• 31:32Speaker 01

  That's a dark gray. Thoughts on it. Let's rip.

• 31:35Dax Shepard?

  We never stopped talking for three and a half hours. It was so chaotic and it was euphoric.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:41Dax Shepard?

  And I've never had that explicit conversation with somebody where we go, let's put the pedal to the metal on this ADHD thing. Have you repeated that, was that as, do you remember that as much as I do?

• 31:53Speaker 01

  Well, I didn't, I haven't repeated it because I felt like that's just part of our walks now.

• 31:58Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 31:58Speaker 01

  But like, it's funny doing this because I am constantly getting myself to just, literally while you're talking, mid-sentence at times, I'm like, I just want to scream, interrupt you. We're allowed to act in such animal behavior. That you'll be like, oh, you know, I was just thinking about something about Nashville. And I want to literally go like, paparisa, what kind of? Or you see a red shirt on somebody and you go like, or really what I want to get into is those crop top shirts in this new era without the stomachs for them.

• 32:28Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  And it's like, what world are we in?

• 32:31Dax Shepard?

  Guy opened his door, like, forget what, I don't know, you're about to tell me about being molested.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  Who cares?

• 32:35Dax Shepard?

  This guy's opened his door.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  And then, but you're allowed to go from that to cricket being the newest, like, you just go like, it's, but I've had many times in this conversation where I've been looking out the window and had to go, don't talk.

• 32:49Dax Shepard?

  That's why I love this, is like, there's so much going on. We're delivering food, there's cameras up, right? I'm driving. I'm also trying to like, have some arc to this.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  I have been leaning into the letting the ADHD rip these days.

• 33:02Dax Shepard?

  So it's funny, because I'm always on the inside of the ADHD explosion, but my daughter's pretty ADHD and she has a best friend who's the most ADHD. And I watch them out the window, hanging out in the backyard. And I'm like, how are they hearing each other? They're, they're both talking as fast and as loud as they can at the same time. But they are getting it.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's mania.

• 33:24Dax Shepard?

  It's just, it looks crazy if you're out on the inside of it. Dakota, do you have, and have you self-diagnosed any conditions based on your Instagram algorithm?

• 33:33Speaker 02

  Listen, I see all of them.

• 33:34Dax Shepard?

  They're all there for the taking.

• 33:35Speaker 02

  I think that, I actually don't think that I have any of them. I think that I, but I've observed that now I'm like, watching TV and doing something on my phone at the same time. And I'm like, okay, that is a little something that is one of the, you know?

• 33:50Dax Shepard?

  It was an accidental blessing watching the movie last night, which is I couldn't get, of course, all these screen links. They're impossible to get to working, right?

• 33:57Speaker 02

  I know, I know.

• 33:57Dax Shepard?

  So it wouldn't work on my app. And so ultimately, I gotta put it on my phone and then I gotta throw it. I think I just passed our thing. I gotta throw it to the TV.

• 34:06Speaker 02

  You can't be on your phone.

• 34:07Dax Shepard?

  It's now this big on my huge theater screen.

• 34:09Speaker 01

  We were laughing so hard.

• 34:12Dax Shepard?

  But what, what that did is like, normally I would have my notes open to write down shit I want to remember to say about the movie when I talk to you. But I couldn't have that open because it was screen mirroring.

• 34:22Speaker 01

  But one thing I like about you, Dakota, going to the other thing is, I don't think Dakota's buying into this era as much as I would expect a woman in her early 30s to be buying into stuff, such as like the million diagnosis. And Dakota's got some old school to her.

• 34:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Where like,

• 34:39Dax Shepard?

  Well, her best friend's Kurt Russell. She's gonna have some libertarian views.

• 34:44Speaker 01

  Well, really refreshed, it was, it's a, it's a really refreshing hang, especially it's like a 48-year-old dude where I'd go like, you know, I'm not an AA or anything like that, but I'd go like, I'm not drinking tonight. And she'd be like, oh, wine? And she's like, are you in recovery? I'd go, no. And then she'd go, then why not? And she's like, what is with all these men going, I'm not having a drink tonight?

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Well, that's something that, like, I was going on dates and it became like a joke that every time I would go on a date with a guy and they would go like, oh, I quit drinking. I was like, oh, okay, like, are you, you know?

• 35:13Dax Shepard?

  Problematic.

• 35:14Speaker 01

  I do think about these diagnoses though, in terms of the ADHD and all this madness.

• 35:18Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 35:19Speaker 01

  That if I did all the tests as a kid, I think I would have been diagnosed with everything. They might have put me in a cage.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  If I got tested the way kids are being tested right now.

• 35:30Dax Shepard?

  Well, you'd be heavily medicated, probably.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  For sure, they would euthanize me.

• 35:36Dax Shepard?

  I think the hesitation to it, like, A, yes, people are diagnosing themselves with shit they don't have, they've not been diagnosed by a doctor. Great, true. And I think the main concern is like, everyone's just gonna be using all this as a huge excuse all the time.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  That's exactly right.

• 35:49Dax Shepard?

  That's the fear. And I get it, that's Monica's fear. Like, we, we argue about this all the time.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:53Dax Shepard?

  And I'm like, it's not about an excuse. It's about like, oh, I have this thing, so what things are, am I gonna be more prone to experience? Like the rejection sensitivity. Okay. So if I'm feeling that rejection, I go like, well, that's that fucking stupid thing that's just a part of you. She's like, it just helps you right-size these moments. And then also you go, oh, it turns out people, they do better if they use this thing or if you have the time thing, like, there's ways, there's tools out there. It's like, I don't want to know about it so I can tell people like, sorry, I'm three hours late, ADHD. Sorry, you didn't get your fucking, your, your hamburgers or your fish. I just want to know, for me, like, are there hacks? And then as someone who has a kid that seems to trend that way, is there any hacks that I can help her with?

• 36:37Speaker 01

  But here's the other side that I'm sure Monica, you guys have fought about a bunch.

• 36:42Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 36:42Speaker 01

  Argued about, and Dakota knows both opinions on it. I was doing my podcast and we had a caller call in who was chronically late. And Gareth and I, you know, just decided to roast her.

• 36:55Dax Shepard?

  Sure, okay, sure.

• 36:56Speaker 01

  About like,

• 36:56Dax Shepard?

  You have that freedom on your show and I'm a little envious of her.

• 36:59Speaker 01

  Yes, but that's what it is. You know, it's, you call in and we try to give you advice, we do the best we can, but nothing is planned. So when I heard somebody's late, lateness drives me nuts. So a couple of minutes here and there, fine. But 40 minutes late.

• 37:12Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  You're like, whoa. And the backlash of, I think the term they were using was like,

• 37:17Dax Shepard?

  Time blindness?

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Time blindness.

• 37:19Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  Where I'm like,

• 37:21Dax Shepard?

  It's a little extreme.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  But I'm like, they were like, you gotta think, man, she's time blind. And I'm like, like, time blind? Like, like, so, but so if you're really bad at time, like, then, so I get it, you're really bad at it. But then you've got to figure it out. Then you've got to do more alarms. You go like,

• 37:38Dax Shepard?

  Agreed.

• 37:38Speaker 01

  My dad was colorblind, right? So that doesn't mean you get to go like, well, I'm allowed to just fuck up colors.

• 37:43Dax Shepard?

  Or blow through red lights.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  Look, they're like, you can't, I'm colorblind. You're like, I get it, but then you need to figure out how we see colors so we can all communicate and live together.

• 37:52Dax Shepard?

  I agree, I agree. But it's like, okay, so what's the best technique for people? The way I heard, like, Trevor Noah, right? He's an incredibly intelligent person and he identifies as having ADHD and he, he has that time blindness.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  He does.

• 38:06Dax Shepard?

  And the way he described it, which I buy, he's like, when you tell me something's at four o'clock, it's not now. And everything for me is either now or not now. And I'm like, that's wild. And I kind of understand that. And guess what? I kind of observe it in my wife.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 38:23Dax Shepard?

  Which is like, there's, there's now and not now. Those are the categories she can juggle. And that's interesting. And then, yeah, there's, there's ways around that or ways to combat it.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  But I think that is a hard thing you deal with, but you're still not allowed to be late.

• 38:38Dax Shepard?

  No, agreed. It's like, none of it should be in,

• 38:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's interesting. Then you gotta set an alarm now and then one minute from now, which is not now, then five minutes from now.

• 38:48Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. And then have alarms that just say, Clocks were, it just said like, now.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  And now.

• 38:54Speaker 02

  I've heard about two people now that don't have thoughts in their head or pictures in their head.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 39:02Speaker 02

  No, no, like it's a thing.

• 39:03Speaker 01

  Oh, what do you mean?

• 39:03Speaker 02

  They can't like visualize anything in their mind. There's no loop in their mind.

• 39:09Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 39:10Speaker 02

  Which is like so unimaginable. That's my whole life.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  So they can't, they, if you say like, we're thinking about doing.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  They're like, I know what an apple is, but I cannot get an apple into my brain.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  So.

• 39:22Speaker 02

  What an apple looks like in my brain. They're like, I know it's round. I know it's like red, but I can't like, I don't see. When I say apple, I don't see an apple in my brain. It's not crazy.

• 39:32Dax Shepard?

  Well, all about the face blindness thing.

• 39:33Speaker 02

  And that's, I feel like I weirdly have.

• 39:36Dax Shepard?

  Touch of it?

• 39:36Speaker 02

  One touch.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  Of face blindness.

• 39:38Speaker 02

  Of face blindness. One touch of face blindness.

• 39:41Dax Shepard?

  I don't have it at all, but I was having dinner with a guy who had his, first time I ever heard about it. I said like, so when I say Mickey Mouse, can you picture Mickey Mouse in your head? And he's like, no, but I, I know his ears or glasses.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  That's what I'm talking about. That's what these people are about.

• 40:01Dax Shepard?

  Right? So, and this guy was a producer. I'm like, you're dealing with people that you should definitely recognize, right? And he's like, I gotta do like, I can do hair. Like I can, I can kind of memorize hair. But there was a 60 Minutes on, on face blindness that I happened to watch. And I will say they did this cool thing, which is they put 10 faces on the screen and they were upside down. They were pointing out how actually how tenuous our grasp on facial recognition is.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 40:27Dax Shepard?

  And when they put them upside down, I could get like three of the 10.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 40:33Dax Shepard?

  And guys, it was Oprah, Tom Cruise. It was like the 10 most famous people in the world. And then I a little bit went like, oh, it's not as, you think of it as so easy. But yeah, if you flip them upside down, you can't get it.

• 40:43Speaker 02

  I have pretty bad eyesight. Like I have a pretty strong prescription and I, but I didn't wear contacts for a long time. And I would just kind of take my glasses on and off. So I think for many years I would go around like, kind of not really being able to see like Monica does.

• 40:57Dax Shepard?

  Yes, right. Yes, yes.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  And.

• 41:00Dax Shepard?

  She misses everything.

• 41:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so I would question like, is it, is that that person? Like, you know, it was, it was sort of because I couldn't totally see. And then I think I've even carried it with me a bit as I now wear contacts and can see normally.

• 41:12Dax Shepard?

  Were you not wearing glasses because you didn't like how you looked in them? Or you didn't want to deal with losing them or carrying them?

• 41:18Speaker 02

  No, I didn't mind how I looked or anything like that. But I got used to everything being a little bit blurred. That when I would put them on outside, like on a day like today, I was like, this is too much.

• 41:28Dax Shepard?

  Okay, right.

• 41:29Speaker 02

  This is way too much. I was like, it's way too bright. It's too clear. I was like, oh my God. So that took some, that took some getting used to. Real turning point for me was I had met Shaquille O'Neal a few times.

• 41:43Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  Great start of a start.

• 41:46Speaker 02

  And I was at an event and it was like, not a huge room and he wasn't that far from me. And I was with my agent, Hanley. And I said, I was like, Hanley, is that Shaq? And he was like.

• 41:58Speaker 01

  If you're asking.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  He was like.

• 42:00Speaker 01

  You're crazy.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. He was like, yes, it is. And what's going on? And I was like, I can't tell totally. Like that's how bad it had gotten. I could see the shape, but I was like confirming that it was Shaq. Yes. I was just like, wait, that's Shaq, right? And he was like, are you okay?

• 42:18Speaker 01

  You need to get your eyes checked.

• 42:20Speaker 02

  I was like, it's time to be wearing, uh, some sort of glasses or contacts full time.

• 42:27Dax Shepard?

  I can safely say you're the only human being in the last 20 years who's confused about weather. I remember one time we were on the grid at the Austin Grand Prix, the Formula One race. And we are at one end, I mean, we are literally 1300 feet away. And I can see everyone in the audience who's now staring at grid row because you've got the drivers there, you've got celebrities down there. And then everyone's attention is just way down there. And then I look 1300 feet away and I say to Kristen, oh yes, Shaquille O'Neal's here. And I'm like, this motherfucker can't hide from a quarter mile away in a sea of people.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  I knew it was him. I was just making sure.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  But that's gotta be the hardest part about being a big NBA player.

• 43:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Like there's no escape ever.

• 43:14Dax Shepard?

  No, no hiding. Vince Vaughn too, no hiding. He'll never have a perfect baseball hat on.

• 43:20Speaker 03

  Yeah. And how tall, we were together recently.

• 43:23Dax Shepard?

  In Miami, with Vince Vaughn, to be clear.

• 43:25Speaker 03

  With Vince Vaughn and he is what, six five?

• 43:28Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's so distinct.

• 43:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:31Speaker 03

  But it's as if he's seven two.

• 43:33Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're walking, cause Dax is like six three. I'm, I don't know, I say six four. Yeah, I say I'm six four, but I'm like five ten. Yeah, Vince's, his head was a head above everyone's.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  Everyone sees it.

• 43:47Dax Shepard?

  We, we, well, we went out to dinner with him because the guy was shooting Bad Monkey. And we were there first at the restaurant and then when we were leaving, he's like, oh, are you guys gonna walk? And we're like, yeah, we walked here and we're gonna walk back. It was like a mile and a half walk or something. He goes, oh, I love, I love walking. Can I walk with you guys? And, and at the time that didn't make sense, that whole exchange, like I love walking. Can I walk with you guys? And then, yeah, we walked a mile and a half with him. And when I say 100% of people on, on planet Earth know who Vince Vaughn is. 100% of people were walking by. And when he peeled off, I let out this gasp of air and I said to Aaron, I'm so lucky. I'm so lucky I never got that famous.

• 44:25Speaker 03

  I am the, just the right amount of famous.

• 44:29Dax Shepard?

  Get a, get a restaurant. I got the table that he needed to get. And then only one in 20 people on the walk home knew who I was. And I was just like, dude, that's, um, I don't know what he goes through. That's so claustrophobic. And yeah, the man can't walk. If he was by himself, he'd just get murdered by all the attention. I had a lot of gratitude.

• 44:47Speaker 01

  He was on a run for a period when I was first coming up.

• 44:51Dax Shepard?

  Was he one of your guys or no?

• 44:52Speaker 01

  Oh, to such a degree.

• 44:54Dax Shepard?

  Yes, same. Oh, in Chicago.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  Vince Vaughn, Swingers, then the way he was doing comedies, like old school, the way he was riffing, the tone he had where he was such a dick and so funny.

• 45:10Dax Shepard?

  And hot. That was a weird, like, like we were in a paradigm where all comedians that were white in movies had to be schlubby and goofy and no one liked them. That was the gimmick. And you're like, oh, this dude fucks and he's funny as hell and gorgeous.

• 45:24Speaker 01

  Like those guys always end up like Chevy Chase then where they're like.

• 45:28Dax Shepard?

  They all chewing, being good looking?

• 45:30Speaker 01

  But they're, it's like, it's fine. But for me, it was like, it was never the speed that I also thought was really funny.

• 45:35Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  When Vince Vaughn got cooking, I'd be like, you know, a guy like Will Ferrell, who's obviously so funny.

• 45:41Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  I'm like, man, you could throw Vince Vaughn in Made and he's awesome. And Swingers is awesome. Next to Will Ferrell where they're doing an ice skating movie and he's awesome.

• 45:50Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh. Yeah.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  It was like everything I liked. Like who are actors that you saw that you're like, that's somebody who's doing it in a way I like.

• 45:58Speaker 02

  There was always like a reference point to Jodie Foster, just because she also started so young and then continued. And definitely somebody that I look to of, you know, having a similar path as me.

• 46:13Dax Shepard?

  Who did you like, one of the, be like, who did, like, I looked at Vince, I'm like, God, if I was him.

• 46:18Speaker 02

  Cameron Diaz.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, interesting.

• 46:21Dax Shepard?

  Great, great, great, great, great.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:24Speaker 02

  I love.

• 46:25Speaker 01

  That's how I felt about Vince Vaughn.

• 46:26Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  Just thought you were so funny.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  My best friend's wedding. Oh my God.

• 46:30Dax Shepard?

  And by the way, same thing as Vince. She's like hysterical and fucking gorgeous.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  It's so pretty, so good. Like My Best Friend's Wedding is still like one of my favorite movies in the whole world.

• 46:40Dax Shepard?

  And she'll look goofy. She does not mind looking goofy.

• 46:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. When I was, I wanted to, I wanted to be Cameron Diaz.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  I never would have guessed that.

• 46:47Dax Shepard?

  And you know, she balled weed off of Snoop Dogg in high school.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  Yes. She died together. Yeah. I remember the first time I met her.

• 46:53Dax Shepard?

  Where was it?

• 46:54Speaker 02

  It was, um, at the SAG Awards where I was nominated for I am, we were both nominated in the same category for I am. So I was like seven.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 47:01Speaker 02

  And I remember meeting her, um.

• 47:04Dax Shepard?

  It'd be so weird to be nominated against your hero like.

• 47:06Speaker 02

  I know. I was like, oh my God, I love you.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  How was working with Sean Penn?

• 47:09Speaker 02

  I mean, that was my first movie, you know, was.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  In a big park opposite a wild guy.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  Yes. He stayed in character a lot of the time and would not stick to the script and would really like improvise a lot. And it was definitely my first lesson of like, oh, being an actor is not just learning your lines. You have to listen. You know what I mean? Like it was like, right away I was like, oh.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  I have to be here.

• 47:33Speaker 02

  I have to be here. I had to respond.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  What an amazing thing to learn as a kid. You're working against one of the better actors who's a little method.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  And improvising. Like one of the hard things I have about working with certain kids is I was like, I never want to do something that's a negative experience for them.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  But I don't feel that way with adults.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  Where if I'm doing a scene and I'm gonna improvise and they get lost, I'm like, then you're in the wrong job, homeboy. But if it's like a 10 year old kid, my real thought is like, you're in the wrong job, homeboy. You're saying. But like to be at that age and be aware enough to go, that's what this game is.

• 48:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 48:16Speaker 01

  And in order to play it, if he's asking me a question, I can't look off camera and go, what's this fucking guy talking about?

• 48:24Dax Shepard?

  There's things you don't think of when you're working with kids. Like for Zathura, we did the table read and the little boy Jonah Bobo, who's so fucking cute. At the table read, he never looked at his script once, right? And I remember saying to his mom, Bobby's already off book. And she goes, he can't read.

• 48:43Dax Shepard?

  This one guy had to memorize the entire movie.

• 48:46Speaker 01

  What about like, that's incredible.

• 48:50Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it never crossed my mind like he had to memorize the whole movie for the table read.

• 48:54Speaker 01

  I'm gonna start looking around though at certain actors who are memorized and be like, I bet you can't read. You're not looking at the script enough, homie. You can't read.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  I had to do a table read for I Am Sam before I got the part. I had to sit there with everyone. Michelle was talking to me about it the other day, Michelle Pfeiffer, cause she was there and she was like, you just sat there by yourself, on your own, in the chair with your scripts.

• 49:16Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 49:19Speaker 02

  She was like, you were so little. It was crazy.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 49:24Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 49:25Dax Shepard?

  Do you feel like you've got a shorthand when you're in scenes with little kids?

• 49:28Speaker 02

  It's interesting because I definitely do. I think for me, I, I feel like I can recognize pretty quickly whether this is

• 49:37Dax Shepard?

  For them or not?

• 49:37Speaker 02

  For them or not.

• 49:38Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 49:40Speaker 02

  Because I know what it feels like for it to be really for you.

• 49:45Dax Shepard?

  Yes, totally right.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  Listen, whether people believe me or not, I love the life that I've had and I wouldn't trade a second of it. Like getting to do what I know was what I was meant to do for so long has just given me like so many memories and esteem and like all, so much. There's obviously been, you know, difficult things of course, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't trade it. Um, so I think I can definitely tell when it's for someone or not.

• 50:13Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 50:14Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 50:14Speaker 02

  By the way, at any age.

• 50:16Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 50:17Speaker 02

  By the way, at any age.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  With an adult where you know, like this used to be for you. It's not for you anymore.

• 50:23Speaker 02

  You know, or you thought this was gonna be something different than it is.

• 50:26Dax Shepard?

  Oh.

• 50:27Speaker 01

  That's exactly right.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  And I don't think you actually like what it is because it's not all those things that you thought it was.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  You loved the fantasy of this.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  But you don't love the job.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so for me with like, with younger actors that I'm working with, if I can sense that somebody's like, would rather be doing something else, I'm like, then you should

• 50:44Speaker 01

  You gotta go.

• 50:44Speaker 02

  Oh, do something else, you know?

• 50:48Speaker 02

  And then, yeah, you, then you work with kids who you're like, oh, you really

• 50:51Speaker 01

  You're good at this.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally. And that's great.

• 50:53Dax Shepard?

  I've probably already told you this story Jake, but um, and he, I, he would not mind me saying this, but um, I was directing Tom Arnold in Hit and Run and like, I'm listening to him on his mic between takes, you know?

• 51:05Dax Shepard?

  He's gotta like throw a ball through the back of a band window or whatever the thing's going on. And we're so close. I, I walked up to him, we're in between takes, I go, how long have you hated acting? And he goes, a long time buddy, a long time.

• 51:22Speaker 01

  So long, man.

• 51:28Dax Shepard?

  A long time.

• 51:29Speaker 02

  Well, that, that's true. Again, this is not like some phony way of bringing it back to the movie, but that's what this movie did do for me where it was like the bare bones experience of making a movie, just with people who are there because they wanna be there.

• 51:44Dax Shepard?

  Um, last career question for you Dakota.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:47Dax Shepard?

  Because I doubt any of us in this car will have the experience. Um, Once Upon a Time is Aaron and I. Aaron and I have watched Once Upon a Time, probably seven times together. It's so fucking good.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  What was your own?

• 51:59Dax Shepard?

  She was at the rant.

• 52:00Speaker 02

  Squeaky. Yes, squeaky from.

• 52:04Dax Shepard?

  Oh yeah, what's the Tarantino experience?

• 52:06Speaker 02

  Oh my god. I mean, it was like a real dream for me to, to work with him.

• 52:10Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 52:11Speaker 02

  Um, had to audition and I had written him a note and then he asked me to audition. I mean, I was more nervous than I had ever been doing anything. Like literally shaking like a leaf. I mean, I was so nervous, but really prepared. I mean, like hardcore prepared, more than I like ever have for anything for this.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  I think there's a good chance we'll be watching it this week again.

• 52:33Speaker 02

  Oh, good. Oh, good. I walked into the audition and he reads the scene with you.

• 52:37Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 52:38Speaker 02

  And that honestly actually put me so at ease because then it was like we were making

• 52:43Speaker 01

  The thing.

• 52:44Speaker 02

  The thing. It wasn't like I was being sassed. People were sitting and judging me, whatever. Anyway, so we had this like great experience in the audition and then I got the part and I think it was the happiest I'd ever been to get anything in my life.

• 52:56Dax Shepard?

  Oh, that's lovely.

• 52:57Speaker 02

  And um, it was the greatest version of making a movie. He is somebody that like loves making movies, loves the tradition of it, the celebration of it, the camaraderie of it, like he's just so, he was like, yeah, I'd like to do another take because I just like making movies with you. You know, like little stuff, like little things like that where you're just like, he just loves it. And so getting to be a part of that was, yeah, really special.

• 53:20Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Not only would I work for free, obviously for him, I would pay a very handsome

• 53:24Speaker 02

  I would pay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Me too. Me too. I would have done anything.

• 53:30Dax Shepard?

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