Gal Gadot

Gal Gadot (The Runner, Wonder Woman, Fast & Furious) is an actor, action star, and former pageant winner. Gal joins Armchair Expert to discuss unexpectedly winning a beauty pageant, being thrust onto the front page of the New York Post at 21, and surviving cerebral venous thrombosis after the birth of her fourth child. Gal and Dax talk about being discovered for a Bond audition while studying law, reaching the point where she was ready to quit acting, and going from recovering in bed to training with an Olympic running coach for The Runner. Gal explains why struggle is essential to happiness, how parenthood constantly forces you to adapt, and why getting older can open you up emotionally. Thank you to our presenting partner Lilly. Lilly’s Foundayo™(orforglipron). Advertisement Disclaimer: Please see Indications and Safety Summary with Warnings for Foundayo™(orforglipron) at https://www.foundayo.lilly.com/risk Start your 2 month free trial today: https://youtube.com/premium . Terms Apply. Cancel Anytime. Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://www.allstate.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Dax Shepard?

  Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dan Shepard. I'm joined by Miniker Mouse.

• 0:04Speaker 01

  Hello.

• 0:06Dax Shepard?

  Today we have Gail Goddard. She is an actor. She is Wonder Woman, Snow White, Red Notice, Fast and Furious, several, I think four, Fast and Furious, Heart of Stone. She has a new movie out on Prime Video September 2nd called The Runner. It is a very high octane crazy. This woman runs for two hours straight. It's, uh, it scared me.

• 0:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. She said it was 110 pages of running.

• 0:37Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it's, uh, it's unreal. Tom Cruise has gotta take notice of this. This, I feel like maybe she's thrown a gauntlet down. I'd like to see Tom run an entire movie. God knows he could, you know, if anyone could do it.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  That's right. He could do it.

• 0:51Dax Shepard?

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• 1:53Speaker 01

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  Mm-hmm.

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• 3:09Dax Shepard?

  Oh, and you're tall. Let's both, oh, you are.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  Hi, Monica.

• 3:14Speaker 02

  Hi, Monica. How's it going? Jenny Chu, my hairstylist was like, oh.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  Of Jenny more than anyone.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  How do you know each other?

• 3:23Speaker 01

  She did Kristen's hair, does Kristen's hair a lot.

• 3:26Speaker 02

  Oh, there you go. So you must know her too, no?

• 3:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, then we're all just in.

• 3:31Dax Shepard?

  We love Jenny.

• 3:32Speaker 01

  She's the best.

• 3:33Speaker 02

  So how did you guys started doing this together?

• 3:36Speaker 01

  Well, Dax wanted to do a, I was working with Kristen and I was at the house all the time. Dax wanted to start.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  It was like, she doesn't do enough. Come do my podcast.

• 3:46Dax Shepard?

  No, we love to argue. So we generally have opposite opinions on any given topic. So our hobby, when she worked for Kristen was I'd be walking through the kitchen and I'd be like, you're listening to Serial, right? Yeah. I'm like, you think Adnan did? She's like, he didn't do it. I'm like, of course he did.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  I basically lived at their house. We were all hanging out all the time.

• 4:07Speaker 02

  From your house too.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  And then this, yeah.

• 4:09Dax Shepard?

  And she lives directly across the street. So she walks 12 feet and I walk 30 feet.

• 4:13Speaker 01

  That's really nice. We've been doing it almost nine years, eight and a half.

• 4:18Speaker 02

  You've been doing this for nine years almost? When it just started, you saw the potential with the podcasts?

• 4:24Dax Shepard?

  No, we didn't.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  You were just looking for an arena to fight?

• 4:29Dax Shepard?

  Well, really I was starting to be on a lot of podcasts as a guest and I liked it so much more than say, although I like late night talk shows because I'm a comedian, that's fun, but I liked going there and being like, I don't have a seven minute chunk to be brilliant in. I can be my full self. And I remember leaving those interviews going like, well, that was really worthwhile, more than a normal interview. I just loved being on them. And I was like, I kinda wanna do this.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  We're into a deeper dive, you know?

• 4:58Speaker 02

  And it's fun to have someone you can banter with.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  Cause if it gets tiring or if it gets to whatever, then you come to the rescue and vice versa.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  It's a good balance.

• 5:12Dax Shepard?

  But especially.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  Did we start now?

• 5:14Dax Shepard?

  I think we're always starting.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  You know, you're my first.

• 5:18Dax Shepard?

  Oh, really? Oh, wow. Okay. Well, you've chosen well.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  I think so too. We'll see.

• 5:26Dax Shepard?

  Without naming anyone, or I don't have any specific complaint, but many of the podcasts, everyone involved has the same opinion.

• 5:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's true.

• 5:35Dax Shepard?

  And I find that a little bit, well, then why do we need a second person?

• 5:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. Let's just preach.

• 5:40Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. So she's a brown, tiny girl from Georgia and I am a super tall white.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  Big old personality.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  In Georgia?

• 5:48Speaker 01

  Duluth, suburbs of Atlanta, Atlanta, basically. Yes.

• 5:52Dax Shepard?

  You've certainly made movies in Atlanta yet?

• 5:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:55Dax Shepard?

  Did any of those superhero movies take place there?

• 5:57Speaker 02

  Mine were in London.

• 5:59Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 5:59Speaker 02

  Chic.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 6:01Speaker 02

  Not that Atlanta is not chic. I love the bucket area and all of that. I didn't sign on my phone because I did not know we were recording, you guys.

• 6:11Dax Shepard?

  You weren't told our slogan, which is ABR, always be recording.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  Okay. Now I know.

• 6:17Dax Shepard?

  Rob starts it before we even walk in.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  He's always trying to catch us.

• 6:21Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, this is all running.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  Okay, amazing.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  Well, you never know.

• 6:24Dax Shepard?

  No, we caught something amazing, which was we interviewed Brett Pitt last year. And so we're in here waiting for him to arrive in the nervousness between the two of us and particularly Monica.

• 6:36Speaker 02

  Why would you be nervous next to Brett Pitt?

• 6:38Speaker 01

  I know, right? It's like, that's so strange. I'm never nervous. And so it was kind of a weird feeling.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  What sign are you?

• 6:44Speaker 01

  Double Virgo.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  I'm a double Taurus.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  Wow. We just got somebody else.

• 6:50Dax Shepard?

  Since I've been back, every guest has been into astrology and I gotta hear the whole.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  Time for you to just embrace it.

• 6:55Speaker 02

  You're a Taurus because you're very logical. That's how I used to.

• 6:59Dax Shepard?

  Okay, hold on. I just wanted to say, as an outside observer, who's not in the religion, when I watch the exchange, it goes the same way every time. It's like, are you a Pisces? No, I'm a Virgo. Oh, yeah, you're a Virgo. What are you? I'm a Sagittarius. Oh, yeah. Everyone gets excited about their sign and then really nothing beyond that, which is kinda funny to observe.

• 7:20Speaker 02

  It's just a common denominator. I feel like it's a good icebreaker and I find myself, so first of all, I'm a Taurus. I'm logical. I never believed in astrology until.

• 7:33Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  One day I was home and I was cooking and the TV was on and they had this astrology time was the title of the show. It was back in Israel. And it was like a bunch of experts and you call from home and they do your maps and they tell you what to do in your life. I could not care less. I'm trying to switch the channel and I could not care less. I'm chopping the aubergine and then they say our celebrity for today is Gail Goddard. I was 25 back then and I'm like, what? Okay. I guess I'm gonna listen to them. Let's see what they have to say. They were so accurate. They said she's influenced by Aries sign. Both of my

• 8:15Speaker 02

  parents are Aries. She's thinking about expanding her family. I was in my first few weeks of my first pregnancy and it's not something you would say about a 25 year old.

• 8:25Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  And then they said all these bunch of things. And then I was like, oh, I got curious. Started investigating a little bit and now I don't lead my life with that, but I think it complements. Yeah, it's like a good blush. It's a nice color. I agree. You're like, sure, sure.

• 8:42Dax Shepard?

  No, we are.

• 8:43Speaker 02

  No, that's okay. I respect that.

• 8:44Dax Shepard?

  Hold on, no.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  From a Capricorn.

• 8:46Dax Shepard?

  No, no, no. Hold on, hold on.

• 8:47Speaker 01

  That's what I say. That's what I say.

• 8:50Dax Shepard?

  I recognize that we would all acknowledge we're very dynamic creatures and we're being influenced. Our context is so broad, it's physical. There's so many things influencing us.

• 9:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 9:02Dax Shepard?

  I understand that you're like, yeah, this is a eight percent sprinkling that I think contributes to this.

• 9:07Speaker 02

  Exactly. This is a little spice that I enjoy.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  It's just a fun, it's like a icebreaker. It's like a fun way to cut through. It's like, oh, I know something about you.

• 9:16Speaker 02

  Don't you find that sometimes you have phases in your life when you're more tired and you're more low energy and everything? And everyone around you are the same. And then you realize that Jupiter is regressing.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, or Mercury's in retro.

• 9:28Speaker 02

  You need to be aware of that. Okay, nevermind.

• 9:31Dax Shepard?

  Some people might call those spurious conclusions, but it doesn't matter. I'm gonna tell you one tiny story. I'm not a hater on it. Like, it's not for me, but I don't have an axe to grind.

• 9:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:39Dax Shepard?

  But I just had this one funny thing. So I had an astronomy class in college and the teacher was telling us that he had so many different students that were constantly trying to argue the legitimacy of astrology. So he agreed to have a prominent astrologist come to the class and they were gonna have a bit of a debate. Now, again, this is coming from him. This seems a little convenient, but he got everyone's birthday and then he handed out these readings for each person. And everyone in the class looked at their thing and my teacher said, I could see people going like, oh.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  Feeling seen.

• 10:13Dax Shepard?

  And then the guy got done and he realized he had an extra one in his hand. He was like, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Everyone, everyone pass it to your left and then handed that one to the last person. And then they all looked at their thing and they went, you know, we love thinking about ourselves. So if you give me adjectives that you say apply to me.

• 10:31Speaker 02

  You will find how it works.

• 10:34Dax Shepard?

  That's my take on it. And I don't mind that. That's fine.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  I like feeling known. People like feeling known and seen. And they're like, oh, that is me.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  Someone gets me.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:45Speaker 02

  You know what I did today?

• 10:46Speaker 01

  The moon does.

• 10:47Speaker 02

  So I don't know, maybe it's in America now, it's a trend as well, but in Israel today, there's a trend, just today it started to ask ChatGPT, or maybe it happened in America, I have no idea. Ask ChatGPT to describe you in one word. Did you ever do that?

• 11:02Speaker 01

  We gotta do it right now.

• 11:04Dax Shepard?

  Thank you. This is fun. We never do real time challenges.

• 11:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 11:07Dax Shepard?

  Please describe me in one word. Before I hit send, I just gotta tell you this. I had a weird moment already this morning with my chat.

• 11:14Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 11:15Dax Shepard?

  Which is like, I've never told my chat, I'm Dax Shepard.

• 11:19Speaker 02

  I never told it to my, and he knows I'm me.

• 11:22Dax Shepard?

  Right. But I've said, you know, I'm interviewing so and so. I have this weird recollection of running into you. You know, it's also murky doing press for 20 years. I'm like, I kind of feel like when I was doing Chips Press, you were maybe doing Justice League Press. I just thought that in my mind. So I asked chat, like, have I ever been on a talk show with Gail? And my chat said, no, but she was promoting blank. So maybe, like, this thing I just told you, it came up. But then funnier, it goes on to say, but you and Kristen were on the red carpet with her at the Golden Globes Award in 17. And I'm like, it's so weird that it's saying you and Kristen. I haven't told him I'm married.

• 12:04Speaker 02

  I hate it. No, but if it knows it's you, it knows you're married to Kristen and all that.

• 12:08Dax Shepard?

  But it just felt weird.

• 12:09Speaker 02

  It's very weird.

• 12:10Dax Shepard?

  All right. So I will now, please describe me in one word. I hope it says asshole.

• 12:15Speaker 02

  Curious or goal oriented. It would never. It's here to please. Why?

• 12:19Dax Shepard?

  Does everyone get curious?

• 12:21Speaker 01

  Mine says curious.

• 12:22Speaker 02

  My mom, my mom, my mother-in-law, you're curious too. Okay, I'm determined, you guys.

• 12:30Dax Shepard?

  Oh, really? Okay. So everyone doesn't get curious?

• 12:33Speaker 01

  This is real time, because I was like, I am.

• 12:34Speaker 02

  My sister was caring. My friend was family oriented. Another friend was multitasking.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  Okay, they've gotten different. So me and you got curious.

• 12:43Speaker 02

  But it's probably because you use it a lot, because that's what you do. You're curious about people in your interview. You're asking a lot of questions, da-da-da.

• 12:50Dax Shepard?

  I am very curious. That's why this show exists. But what else could it conclude? I only interact with it to ask it for questions.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  I'm determined.

• 12:58Dax Shepard?

  So what are your searches generally?

• 13:00Speaker 02

  What do I search? So I use multiple. I use perplexity if I want to do comparison with other staff to do more research. Chat is like my Google. Yeah. I just ask all the questions and yet it didn't say I was curious.

• 13:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:18Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 13:18Speaker 02

  My mom and another friend of mine and my mother-in-law are.

• 13:21Dax Shepard?

  So are your questions task related? Like, how do you?

• 13:25Speaker 02

  Like, how do you get to the objective? No.

• 13:28Dax Shepard?

  They're not. Okay. I don't doubt it could know me better than I know myself.

• 13:32Speaker 02

  If you have comments, you should have your viewers write down theirs and you'll see a lot of them won't be curious or determined.

• 13:39Speaker 01

  But what if they just say curious if they don't really know us? I don't know if he knows me well. I don't like him. So maybe he's.

• 13:46Speaker 02

  I'm always suspicious of him. That's why I never told him I'm me. And I got so upset when I realized he knew.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it should have. Then I would have respected it a little more. I would have respected him. I said, do you know what my job is? I have a pretty good guess, but I don't think you've explicitly told me your exact job title. From everything we've talked about, no.

• 14:08Dax Shepard?

  And your pillow chats?

• 14:09Speaker 02

  I just want to be intrude.

• 14:11Speaker 01

  From all of our hangs, I'd guess you work in podcasting entertainment.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  With Dax Shepard.

• 14:18Speaker 01

  Particularly on the creative branding and production side with a close connection to armchair expert and Monica Padman.

• 14:25Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 14:25Speaker 01

  So he doesn't think I'm her.

• 14:28Dax Shepard?

  He thinks you're Emma.

• 14:33Dax Shepard?

  Wait, sorry. This is such a rabbit hole, but how tall am I?

• 14:37Speaker 01

  I'm gonna say, what do you think my name is?

• 14:39Dax Shepard?

  Well, ask how tall you.

• 14:40Speaker 01

  How tall do you think I am?

• 14:42Dax Shepard?

  Emma who works on the show is, what is Emma? Five 10?

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's very tall.

• 14:46Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I think she's six foot, actually.

• 14:47Speaker 02

  You're tall too. I'm five 10 and a half.

• 14:49Dax Shepard?

  Five 10 and a half.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  It's really nice. I'm really jealous.

• 14:52Dax Shepard?

  I think you were up at six feet with those heels.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. What's the deal with peptides? Are you on peptides?

• 14:57Dax Shepard?

  Oh, God, yeah.

• 14:57Speaker 02

  You are?

• 14:58Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  Tell me.

• 14:59Dax Shepard?

  You're not? How could you not be? You're so athletic.

• 15:02Speaker 02

  I'm just athletic because I've always been.

• 15:04Dax Shepard?

  We're gonna get into why you're athletic, because I know.

• 15:07Speaker 02

  You did your research.

• 15:08Dax Shepard?

  But all the more reason that you would want to know about peptides.

• 15:11Speaker 02

  I spoke to a few doctors and all of them scared the shit out of me from taking peptides.

• 15:18Dax Shepard?

  Well, first of all, there's a quadrillion peptides, right? GLP-1 is a peptide.

• 15:21Speaker 02

  Right. That's the only one that has enough research and all of that.

• 15:25Dax Shepard?

  Well, not true, but.

• 15:26Speaker 02

  GLP-1?

• 15:28Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it's not the only one that has enough research. Generally what's happening, which was the case with the GLP-1, is that was a medicine developed for diabetics to regulate A1C, right? So then they discover all these off-label effects of it and they just can't ignore what they're seeing. Oh, when we try to treat these people for diabetes, they're also losing weight. Their metabolic health is also improving, da-da-da-da-da-da. So now you can apply this thing you've observed, but many of the peptides are definitely being used off-label for what they were intended to originally treat. So one of them being tesamorlin, right? This was developed for AIDS patients in the eighties. What they found while people were on this treatment is like, oh, they're losing all their abdominal fat. That's interesting.

• 16:11Dax Shepard?

  But it's a crazy safe peptide that's been being used on all these people for a very, very long time. And one of the unintended consequences was reduction in belly fat. So it's not not tested or not not safe. It hasn't been tested for belly fat reduction, but it has been observed.

• 16:26Speaker 02

  But it has been used for so many years?

• 16:29Dax Shepard?

  Yes, exactly. Since 86. Here's the problem. People are conflating two things. Are peptides dangerous or are how people are getting peptides dangerous? The second one, the latter, yes. So dumb, dumb guys on the internet are ordering shit from China for lab use only. And they don't know what they're getting and it might not have the actual peptide and it might be infected. So unfortunately, because that's happening, now it's like, well, peptides are dangerous. No. Crazy shit from China that's intended for lab use is dangerous.

• 17:01Speaker 01

  It also is if you do too much. I mean, again, anything can be.

• 17:05Dax Shepard?

  And I want to be fair. They can be dangerous. So even the tesamorlin one, what it does is it tells your pituitary gland to make more of your own human growth hormone. So you know, people take HGH exogenously. That's dangerous.

• 17:17Speaker 02

  That's dangerous. Not good for cancer and all these reasons.

• 17:20Dax Shepard?

  And even if if you do have active cancer cells and you increase your own body's HGH, that could be problematic. So you need to get screened. You need to get blood panels every three months. You gotta do it with a doctor and be observed.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  And how often do you do it?

• 17:34Dax Shepard?

  Daily.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  Every day?

• 17:35Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 17:36Speaker 02

  In injections, right?

• 17:37Dax Shepard?

  This is probably the most transparent I've been about it. I mean, I say I'm on them, but.

• 17:40Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 17:41Dax Shepard?

  Well, thank you. I'm 51 years old.

• 17:43Speaker 02

  Like, you know.

• 17:44Dax Shepard?

  Get it on, yeah.

• 17:45Speaker 01

  He loves to hear that.

• 17:47Dax Shepard?

  I'm never appreciated by women. This is one of my complaints. Guys all the time are like, bro, what's your diet?

• 17:52Speaker 02

  I appreciate strong bodies and your body looks very strong. I said it from the first minute I saw you, yeah.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  But I don't think you need any. You're doing great.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna do any, at least not at this point. And I'm not where you are as you were like so confident about it. And probably you've done much more research than I did.

• 18:08Dax Shepard?

  Well, I have a doctor, you know, I have a hormone doctor.

• 18:10Speaker 02

  But I'm open to, if it's not risky and if it's not dangerous and if it doesn't feed into cancer cells and all these things.

• 18:19Dax Shepard?

  At some point, when you're perimenopausal or menopausal, you'll explore hormone therapy. It's so impactful. It's crazy women were denied any help in that realm.

• 18:30Speaker 02

  Watching last night, a show about it. It's again in Israel. It's a documentary show about this amazing woman who's a journalist in Israel. And the name of the show is, uh, I'm Hot, I'm Cold, just because of the heat. And she explored everything. And again, like with peptides, it's amazing to see in the scale, there is like the people who are super pro it and the people who are also doctors who are extremely against it. And it's all about the cancer and feeding the cells. And essentially I think that if you end up doing anything like this, you need to do it the right way and just make sure you check yourself.

• 19:05Dax Shepard?

  Do you know Dr. Mary Claire Haver? You should follow her on Instagram. She's kind of like one of the main faces of the menopause treatment.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  Perimenopause, yeah. She's like out there, always giving tips.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  Isn't it amazing how women's health is something that when you compare it to men's health, and I'm not saying it is a bad thing, it's just as a fact. There are so many things that had never been fully, deeply, thoroughly

• 19:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:32Speaker 02

  explored in the same way with men.

• 19:34Dax Shepard?

  And you know, the historical explanation for it.

• 19:37Speaker 02

  Can I take off my shirt?

• 19:38Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's round one. We thought maybe we'll get down to our essentials, our unmentionables at some point. So step one is great.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:47Dax Shepard?

  The historical explanation is women make terrible research subjects because you have your period. Because throughout the month, you're going to have very dramatic rises and falls in your hormone levels.

• 19:59Speaker 02

  But is what it is.

• 20:00Dax Shepard?

  It is what it is. And that's an excuse to study women, but that was the explanation given is like, if I take your blood, I'm trying to test you for this one thing, but then 15 days out, I get this weird result. I don't know you're this point. Exactly.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  Researchers, wherever you are, if you say that.

• 20:16Dax Shepard?

  I'm not defending it. We just had an expert on about fatherhood. I'll tell you when men are not studied is parenting. There's almost no fucking studies on men and parenting. That's a big, big problem.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:26Dax Shepard?

  We're locked in these vestigial terrible gender things that exclude us from understanding each other.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  Slowly, yes. But yeah, also all the medication that applies to women, they've just tested on men and then it reacts very differently on women. It's like, well, yeah, because you didn't test anything out on us.

• 20:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:46Dax Shepard?

  The best is Ambien. That was the one, I think that's what caused America to go, hold on, hold on. Why aren't we testing on women? Because it turns out, you know, Ambien is twice as powerful on women than men.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  I didn't know that. Still to this day.

• 20:58Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So doctors were prescribing the same dose to men and women. Men are like, oh, it's great. I love it. I fell right asleep. And then women are like, yeah, I got up and I drove my car or I went to fucking 7-11 and got snacks. And the doctor's like, why are the men doing any of this bonkers behavior?

• 21:12Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. And they're like, women are crazy. It's like, nope, just the medicine.

• 21:16Speaker 02

  So many different fields in health had been super explored when it came to men and very little exploration when it came to women. I had, I'm sure you did the research, blah, blah, CVT, the cerebral venous thrombosis in my head when I had a baby.

• 21:32Dax Shepard?

  It's a kind of a stroke. It's a rare stroke.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  Oh, scary.

• 21:36Dax Shepard?

  Only 3% of strokes are these kind, right?

• 21:39Speaker 02

  I don't know the number.

• 21:40Dax Shepard?

  That was my research of you. Yeah, yeah.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  You know that because you know why?

• 21:43Dax Shepard?

  Why?

• 21:44Speaker 02

  You're very curious.

• 21:48Speaker 02

  But it's basically three of my venuses, venus, venus, I don't know, like in the head.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 21:56Speaker 02

  Venus, venus, I don't know. English, by the way, it's gonna happen a lot.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  I love that. We love that.

• 22:01Speaker 02

  About it. As long as you understand what I'm saying.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  Were blocked and it was because of the hormones and because I was pregnant and it happens. I didn't know it was even a thing. And many times what happens is that women get the clots in their brain and then they have the baby and then soon after the delivery, they get a stroke. Women were not aware of it. I wasn't aware it was a thing for pregnancy.

• 22:29Dax Shepard?

  Did they put you on a blood thinner to deal with that? And that's miserable, right? I've had friends on blood thinners and they hate it.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  It was very bad. And another thing, I feel like my doctor, my neurologist, didn't take me seriously enough.

• 22:41Dax Shepard?

  Mike. I don't know his name.

• 22:43Speaker 01

  Shout out.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  He's a good guy.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:46Speaker 02

  I think it's just the attitude of, she's a woman, she's just being dramatic. It's just migraine.

• 22:52Speaker 01

  Headaches? Okay.

• 22:53Dax Shepard?

  And then if you're black, it's like 3X the data of not being believed for your pain. So it's like, there's all these strats. It's like, if you're a woman, you're fucked. And then if you're a black woman, we're not going to take anything you say seriously.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  It's horrible.

• 23:03Speaker 02

  But anyway, I had major headaches throughout my pregnancy and then the last three weeks of my pregnancy, I was not able to do anything. I was home in bed, dark, quiet, AC, that's it. But you're fighting the pain. Now I know I was like in and out of conscious. It felt like a toothache in your brain.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 23:25Dax Shepard?

  That's scary.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  And you're pregnant.

• 23:27Speaker 02

  And then you pass out and then, ah, but I thought it was fine.

• 23:30Dax Shepard?

  So it was already restricting flow.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  I didn't know and they checked me and I didn't show any symptoms. The back of my eye pressure was fine. My blood pressure was fine. Therefore he thought I was just having a migraine. Until one day, my mom was like, enough. Three weeks, you're not doing anything. Go get an MRI. And I asked to get an MRI for so many things. He wouldn't send me.

• 23:52Dax Shepard?

  Were they saying they didn't want to give you an MRI because you were pregnant?

• 23:54Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 23:55Speaker 01

  No, they probably were just like, you don't need it.

• 23:57Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, they don't like giving MRIs.

• 23:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. Why?

• 23:59Dax Shepard?

  I want my own MRI.

• 24:01Speaker 02

  I know. If you buy one, let's share it.

• 24:04Dax Shepard?

  We should find like 10 people. Yeah, yeah.

• 24:07Speaker 02

  But anyway, then they found out I was under like almost dead.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 24:13Speaker 02

  Afterwards, my wonderful neurosurgeon who did the operation told me that usually when they see this type of blockage, people are in coma.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  I was supposed to be in coma.

• 24:25Dax Shepard?

  So what was the operation?

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Trumbectomy.

• 24:27Dax Shepard?

  They put like stints in there or how do they?

• 24:29Speaker 02

  They didn't. They can for aneurysm and stuff, but that's not what I had. They go from your crotch all the way your brain.

• 24:39Dax Shepard?

  Wow, wow, wow.

• 24:39Speaker 02

  And they try to take out the clotting.

• 24:43Dax Shepard?

  That feels very dangerous.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  And you were pregnant during this surgery?

• 24:46Speaker 02

  No.

• 24:47Speaker 01

  They waited.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  So I did the MRI. They called me immediately on the way home. They called me to come to Cedar Sinai. That was amazing. Cedar Sinai, I love you.

• 24:55Speaker 01

  Shout out Cedar.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  They took the baby out.

• 24:59Dax Shepard?

  Mm hmm.

• 24:59Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 24:59Speaker 02

  First thing. And then they did the operation and put me on blood thinners and everything.

• 25:04Dax Shepard?

  It's a big day for your body.

• 25:05Speaker 01

  This is scary.

• 25:06Dax Shepard?

  Delivering a baby and then brain.

• 25:08Speaker 02

  Just delivering a baby for a woman. It's a bit, again, underestimated. And I must say that I also was downplaying giving birth. It's fine. I'm back. It's a shock.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  Trauma.

• 25:22Speaker 02

  It's a trauma. And this was number four.

• 25:24Dax Shepard?

  Now, my mother told me they got easier. Did yours not get easier? Obviously this was compounded by this.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Exactly. Up until then, I loved giving birth.

• 25:33Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  Loved. Like I hated being pregnant.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Loved delivering. It was like, oh.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  Because you felt powerful.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  Because first of all, meeting your baby for the first time is something I can't explain. It's like, you want to see how they look, how they hear, do you want to smell? And the creation of your own night.

• 25:54Dax Shepard?

  And they're looking in your eyes and you can tell they're going like, are you who's gonna take care of me? And you're like, yeah, I'm gonna take care of you. It's so special.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is. Although I was terrified the first time.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  I bet. Wow. So you had the surgery. Oh, my God.

• 26:09Speaker 02

  You know, I had a repeated dream when I was down. Did it ever happen to you?

• 26:14Speaker 01

  Uh uh.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  Were you ever under? Like, did they put you under for a surgery?

• 26:18Dax Shepard?

  I've been under a dozen times. Yeah. For real. I've had a lot of surgeries.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  What kind of surgeries? Are you okay?

• 26:24Dax Shepard?

  I race motorcycles, so always broken stuff and ligaments and stuff.

• 26:28Speaker 02

  You know.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  No, I don't race motorcycles yet.

• 26:31Speaker 02

  You walk.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  I do. I walk. That's my motor, my motor transportation. I froze my eggs and so they did put me under for that. I did that twice. They don't always put people under, but they did put me. And that was nice. That was a nice little treat.

• 26:45Dax Shepard?

  You can see why Mike Jackson wanted to do that nightly.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  They call it the nap, the anesthesia.

• 26:50Speaker 02

  I was dreaming that I was in a plane and everybody in the plane were standing and like, you know, leaning over each other, trying to see the view of where we're getting. And we were supposed to land on the Golden Bridge in San Fran- Golden Gate in San Francisco, the red one. Golden Bridge is a song.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  Golden Gate Bridge, it was clear.

• 27:14Speaker 02

  Exactly. And there were cars on it. And every time we're about to land, boom, we went back to the start.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Weird.

• 27:20Speaker 02

  Over and over and over. And at one point in the dream, I'm like, I think we're gonna start again. I think that's what's happening.

• 27:28Dax Shepard?

  Do you think, maybe you asked this, but like, yeah, I've been out a bunch of times, colonoscopies, the surgeries. I don't remember one thing. They hit the plunger and then I'm like waking up. Do you think it's because they were actively in your brain?

• 27:41Speaker 02

  I think so. I never asked my doctor. I should.

• 27:43Dax Shepard?

  You should because that's very abnormal, I think, for you to have any memory from while you're under.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  When they're tinkering around in there, you never know.

• 27:51Speaker 02

  To this day vividly.

• 27:52Dax Shepard?

  Can I tell you a boring story you won't care about? So the Golden Gate Bridge.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:55Dax Shepard?

  After the company that built that bridge erected it, they were like, that's a damn good bridge. Let's go try to sell this around the world. And you know, Lisbon bought one. Lisbon has a golden, it's identical to the Golden Gate Bridge. Same company. Yeah. They got down there like, hey, look at this bridge we did in San Francisco. You want one? Yeah, we'll take one.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  What do they call that?

• 28:13Speaker 02

  Good on the Portuguese.

• 28:14Dax Shepard?

  The Golden Bridge.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  They do?

• 28:16Dax Shepard?

  No.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  The Golden Bridge.

• 28:19Speaker 01

  Gullible is my word.

• 28:20Dax Shepard?

  The gullible bridge.

• 28:24Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so I'm gonna maybe guess that for you, delivering was more tolerable because in your childhood, and mildly explained by the fact that mom was a phys ed teacher, you swam, you played tennis, you did volleyball, you were on the cheerleading team for the soccer club, you did hip hop dance, you did ballet.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  You are curious and with good memory.

• 28:49Dax Shepard?

  Thank you. I've been spared that procedure you had thus far. But obviously you've had an entire childhood of learning to endure pain. Once you learn to get through it, it is, for me, I'm similar. That stuff doesn't bother me much. It's just not in my.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I broke all my fingers and did all the things. Yeah. When you're very physical, you have more tolerance to pain and being pushed.

• 29:15Dax Shepard?

  Was all of this motivated by yourself, all this physical activity? Or was mother going, let's go?

• 29:22Speaker 02

  Both. I was born very active. Still to this day, I can't just sit and do nothing. My body gets aggravated. And my mom, it was like, I finished school, I finished my homework, take a ball and go out and play. There's no hours and hours and hours of TV and stuff.

• 29:37Dax Shepard?

  And what kind of engineer was dad?

• 29:39Speaker 02

  Medicine, science, for example. He worked in this, how do you call it? Uh, it's like a pill that has multiple cameras that you swallow before you go to do colonoscopy.

• 29:51Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wow. And it films your whole digestive tract on its way out?

• 29:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:55Dax Shepard?

  Cool.

• 29:56Speaker 01

  He's like a bioengineer.

• 29:58Dax Shepard?

  Or biomechanical?

• 30:00Speaker 02

  But he also worked in like satellites. He's like in charge of all those.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  The brain.

• 30:09Speaker 03

  Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert if you dare.

• 30:14Dax Shepard?

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• 30:57Dax Shepard?

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• 31:11Speaker 01

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• 31:12Dax Shepard?

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• 31:54Dax Shepard?

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• 32:38Dax Shepard?

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• 33:21Dax Shepard?

  We get support from Instagram teen accounts. So we talk a lot on this show about how the world is different now than when we were growing up. And one of the biggest differences is obviously social media. And I think a lot of people wonder, okay, what's actually being done to make it safer for teenagers?

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Which is a fair question.

• 33:38Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, so Instagram has got something called teen accounts and they come with automatic protections built in by default. So anyone between 13 and 17 is automatically placed into this experience. They get age appropriate content settings, contact limits, so that by default, only people they're already connected to can message them. And time management tools, daily time limit reminders, and also sleep mode that mutes notifications from 10:00 PM to 7:00 AM.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  Sleep mode is genius.

• 34:06Dax Shepard?

  Right? And here's the thing, for anyone under 16, a parent has to give permission to change any of those settings to be less strict. The guardrails are on and Instagram keeps building new safety features to create age appropriate experiences for teens.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  I am really glad Instagram's helping to give parents peace of mind with teen accounts.

• 34:25Dax Shepard?

  Learn more about teen accounts and Instagram's ongoing work to protect teens online at instagram.com/teenaccounts.

• 34:39Dax Shepard?

  I have a bit of a stereotype for engineers. I had one as a stepdad. I have had two stepdads that were engineers.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  My dad is an engineer as well.

• 34:47Dax Shepard?

  Does he fit the stereotype? I mean, was he pretty cerebral?

• 34:51Speaker 02

  You know what Chat told my dad?

• 34:54Dax Shepard?

  You are a computer. You're me.

• 34:58Speaker 02

  You're thorough. And then he said in two words, and then he said, you're very specific and thorough. My dad is very like.

• 35:08Dax Shepard?

  Did he?

• 35:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, very cerebral.

• 35:10Dax Shepard?

  Okay, now we're getting somewhere. So this other thing that's pretty well known about engineers too, is like their bedside manner is not great. It's like, no, no, that doesn't work, period. Like I see that that doesn't work, they have no problem with that. Coupled with, we had this incredible expert on years ago, probably six years ago, that wrote a book about disagreeability across cultures. And you know who the most disagreeable people on the planet are?

• 35:32Speaker 02

  Engineers?

• 35:33Dax Shepard?

  Israelis.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  Oh Israelis.

• 35:34Dax Shepard?

  This is not a negative thing. This is like, we'll challenge authority, no fear to object.

• 35:39Speaker 02

  It's all because of the Bible. Every Friday, every Shabbat, you used to get together and pepper over the story, the parashah of this week's Bible story.

• 35:51Dax Shepard?

  And what, you're encouraged to challenge it and debate it?

• 35:54Speaker 02

  It's like debating over the Shabbat table.

• 35:57Dax Shepard?

  Okay, great. So when I combine the highest disagreeability culture with also an engineer, what was it like to interact with him?

• 36:06Speaker 02

  He's a softie, he's a girl's dad.

• 36:08Dax Shepard?

  Oh, he is. Well, you were texting him this morning about ChatGPT.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  Exactly. Check what you are. My mom was like, oh my God, he knows me so well, I'm curious. And my dad is like. Dad is like, I'm thorough. My dad, he was the breadwinner and worked morning to night and very loving.

• 36:27Dax Shepard?

  What happened when you became emotional? How did he handle that? Did he walk out of the room? Was he like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, oh, emotions?

• 36:34Speaker 02

  I think that now, when he's older, he's embracing his emotions much more than ever. Than my mom, than anybody.

• 36:41Dax Shepard?

  This is all of us men.

• 36:42Speaker 02

  He wants to talk about emotions.

• 36:44Dax Shepard?

  He wants to cry a little bit.

• 36:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, he wants to talk about his challenges, if he's feeling anything.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 36:50Speaker 02

  It's incredible.

• 36:51Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, we were just talking about this with the guest yesterday. I think women and men are on this opposite trajectory. It's like, when I met Kristi, she cried every couple hours. I hadn't cried in 20 years. And now she really ever cries and I cry every 20 minutes. And I'm like, well, that's an interesting trajectory. And I've noticed that.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  It is the hormone.

• 37:08Dax Shepard?

  It's pretty consistent among the people I know.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  Well, at some point, the men, I think it's when you have children, something pops open and then the pipe has been clogged.

• 37:18Dax Shepard?

  The dam is.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  For 400 years.

• 37:21Speaker 02

  I also think you're so busy with building your careers and building your homes and providing and this and that. And all of the sudden, I think there is a point where the children get older that you start feeling, we're not here forever. And actually, we're asking ourselves, what's the most important thing in life is? And making you feel emotional. And I think that if you're smart and wise and have good emotional intelligence, then you connect to your feelings at one point. Now you have the time, you're not in the race.

• 37:55Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I'm like, oh, good, I did it, I climbed the mountain.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:57Dax Shepard?

  That's over. I don't have to be tough and strong.

• 37:59Speaker 02

  Exactly. I proved what I needed to prove to whoever it is.

• 38:03Dax Shepard?

  What did I miss? Oh, everything? All these emotions? Okay, great. Well, bring them all in. Bring them all in right now.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:10Dax Shepard?

  Okay, I have one bone to pick with you.

• 38:11Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 38:12Dax Shepard?

  So as the lore goes, you're in high school, you're doing all these incredible things athletically. People had, at different times, suggested perhaps you should model, right? And you were not interested in that. And instead, when you graduated high school, you got a job at Burger King. It sounds so American, right? You think about like someone's in Israel.

• 38:29Speaker 02

  Through high school, I worked in Burger King.

• 38:31Dax Shepard?

  Okay, great.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  Do they have the chicken sandwich there?

• 38:34Speaker 02

  I love the Whopper, the garlic Whopper.

• 38:36Dax Shepard?

  Garlic Whopper?

• 38:37Speaker 01

  We don't have the garlic Whopper.

• 38:39Dax Shepard?

  We're too agreeable for garlic.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  We have the chicken sandwich, it comes in a rectangle. I don't know if they have that in Israel, but here.

• 38:47Dax Shepard?

  With the proprietary Burger King mayonnaise.

• 38:53Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so you're working at Burger King. Now, here's my grievance, because I have heard this same story from probably five guests. And at this point, I'm like, I'm a little suspicious of it. So it's that you didn't want anything to do with modeling, but mom and a friend submitted you to the Miss Israel pageant.

• 39:11Speaker 02

  It's true.

• 39:12Dax Shepard?

  I just think it's very interesting that of all these people I've interviewed that are all pageant winners, none of them submitted themselves.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  Who was it?

• 39:18Speaker 01

  Priyanka Chopra was one, I think.

• 39:20Dax Shepard?

  So was Jenny Garth, I think she accidentally got herself on the podium at a pageant. Before you defend yourself, would it be okay if you wanted to be in a pageant at 18?

• 39:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, in Israel, in my days, it used to be a big deal. Now I think they canceled it.

• 39:33Dax Shepard?

  They have a bad track record for the abuse.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  Pageants in general, right?

• 39:37Dax Shepard?

  The men have made it terrible.

• 39:38Speaker 02

  But not in Israel, it just became out of.

• 39:41Dax Shepard?

  Passé.

• 39:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's whatever, no one cares. But in my days, I was thinking to myself, all right, I'll go. And I'll get to tell my grandchildren that grandma competed in Miss Israel. It was like royal.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:54Dax Shepard?

  2004?

• 39:55Speaker 02

  2004, you're amazing, computer. And then.

• 39:58Dax Shepard?

  You went to Miss Universe.

• 40:00Speaker 02

  I went to Miss Universe.

• 40:01Dax Shepard?

  You won a Citron for winning Miss Israel.

• 40:04Speaker 02

  I won a Citroen C5, yeah.

• 40:06Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, a little car, a little French car.

• 40:08Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 40:09Dax Shepard?

  How fun is it to win a car when you're 18?

• 40:11Speaker 02

  And I sold it. You know what I did? I sold it. I drove it for three months and then I was like, I don't need a car.

• 40:17Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, okay.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  I'll take my parents' cars. They had a car for me. And I'm gonna play with the money a little bit. And I sold it for 80,000 shekels.

• 40:25Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 40:26Dax Shepard?

  What is that in Peruvian?

• 40:31Speaker 02

  It's nothing, but it was amazing. And then I went to Miss Universe, yeah.

• 40:36Dax Shepard?

  Which was in Ecuador.

• 40:37Speaker 02

  Ecuador, C.

• 40:42Dax Shepard?

  What was the experience like?

• 40:45Speaker 02

  I was so fearful I'm gonna win again cuz I never tried or wanted to win the Miss Israel pageant and I was like, oh, my God, I'm gonna win this. No.

• 40:56Dax Shepard?

  But they wanted you to put on a cocktail dress that you weren't having that or something?

• 40:59Speaker 02

  No, and I was smoking everywhere, not giving a care in the world.

• 41:03Dax Shepard?

  You weren't grateful enough to be there for them to give you the win. Who won that year? Was it, what country won?

• 41:09Speaker 02

  Australia, I think.

• 41:11Dax Shepard?

  Oh, good for them.

• 41:12Speaker 02

  She was amazing.

• 41:13Dax Shepard?

  I bet.

• 41:13Speaker 02

  You know what the thing is? You go to the Miss Universe pageant, you don't have a name anymore. I was Miss Israel.

• 41:21Dax Shepard?

  Oh, sure. It's kind of convenient when you're meeting people.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  I was with Miss Norway in the room and we were best friends with Miss this and that.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 41:29Dax Shepard?

  Oh, tell me about Miss Norway because they too culturally have some fun stuff going on.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  Really?

• 41:33Dax Shepard?

  Was she wild?

• 41:34Speaker 02

  She was amazing.

• 41:36Dax Shepard?

  Okay, you're not gonna say wild, no?

• 41:38Speaker 02

  She wasn't wild, no.

• 41:39Speaker 01

  No one was probably wild at Miss Universe.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  It goes like this. So the South Americans, they are the most experienced, super poised. They're there to win.

• 41:49Dax Shepard?

  They own that ship.

• 41:50Speaker 02

  The European ones, they're very mellow, no drama. There's the Asian girls who were great too. There wasn't much drama. I was not making drama, but I was the rebellion compendant, competitor.

• 42:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, contestant.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  Contestant, thank you.

• 42:08Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so you left that and then you pretty then immediately start your conscription, right? Your mandatory two-year military service. That's right on the heels.

• 42:17Speaker 02

  I went there, I came back to Israel. The fame of being Miss Israel was too much for me. So I went to do some modeling in Milano for three months, then had to come back and do my service in the military.

• 42:29Dax Shepard?

  Really quick, how was that three months in Milan?

• 42:32Speaker 02

  Wild.

• 42:32Dax Shepard?

  I bet it was so fun. Was it so fun?

• 42:36Speaker 02

  It was amazing. Now that I think about it, I have no idea how my parents let me. I was 18 by myself in Milan.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  Were you living with other models like they did?

• 42:44Speaker 02

  Living with more models.

• 42:45Dax Shepard?

  Miss Guam, Miss Mongolia.

• 42:47Speaker 02

  A lot of Russia, a lot of Ukraine, a lot of, you know, girls from everywhere.

• 42:51Dax Shepard?

  Is that what the primary ethnicity was at the time in modeling in oh four? Was a lot of Eastern European?

• 42:56Speaker 02

  There was a lot of Eastern Europeans. They were from everywhere, but yes.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  Can we go back for one second? I want to ask why you were afraid to win?

• 43:05Speaker 02

  Cuz it felt the responsibility.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  Okay, you weren't like feeling fraudulent.

• 43:11Speaker 02

  The fame. I was like a girl. I was a dancer, an athlete.

• 43:16Dax Shepard?

  I think this is part of the reason people want to distance themselves from it is it's fun to do for a minute, but it probably didn't feel terribly substantive to you.

• 43:27Speaker 02

  What is substantive?

• 43:28Dax Shepard?

  Meaning in athletics, I set this goal. I have times. I reach for it. I work very, very hard. It's objective. There's a timer. I take this test. I did this number. This is like a very subjective. Yeah, you don't look great in heels.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  It's all about how you look and it's very superficial.

• 43:47Dax Shepard?

  And you were probably desiring something a little more concrete.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  Who were you? I guess that's the question.

• 43:52Speaker 02

  But I was enjoying it. Don't get me wrong. I was like enjoying both words. I was looking down at it.

• 43:58Dax Shepard?

  Looking down your nose at it and enjoying it.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  And enjoying.

• 44:02Dax Shepard?

  You can feel above it and participate in it.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you're definitely not gonna win if that's how you look at it. You have to respect it, right?

• 44:09Dax Shepard?

  Kicking you to the curb.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  No, I didn't.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah.

• 44:11Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so then you start your military service. So because of this great athletic background of yours, you become a trainer in the military. And then you learn Krav Maga. And I just am curious if you can tell me the history of Krav Maga. Is it pulling from other martial arts?

• 44:26Speaker 02

  What I remember is using your surroundings against your attacker. So if there's stones, if there's sand, they teach you where to hit first. Pretty simple.

• 44:38Dax Shepard?

  Okay, if I know it correctly, the ethos of it is it's all about real world combat. Not in a ring, not on a mat, not at a contest. It's like, okay, when you're in the shit in real life, let's look around, what can we utilize?

• 44:51Speaker 02

  Exactly. Although we did it in a very contained space on mattresses.

• 44:56Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It'd be fun if they had like foam training rocks and foam broomsticks.

• 45:02Speaker 02

  Like logs.

• 45:04Dax Shepard?

  Foam tea kettle.

• 45:07Dax Shepard?

  Then this really interesting thing happens that if it doesn't happen, you and I never meet in our life, right? Your life is on a completely different trajectory, which is somehow you, well, not somehow, and I want the explanation. You end up in Maxim while you're still in the military, right?

• 45:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:22Dax Shepard?

  How did that come about? Maxim magazine, for people don't remember, who are not my age, it was a men's magazine with beautiful girls in it.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. Israel decided to promote Israel through the beautiful women that go to the IDF and therefore let's put them on Maxim magazine. And I was one of the women and then I was invited to the gala.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 45:42Speaker 02

  And I went with my husband back then was, trying to think if we were married already. No.

• 45:48Dax Shepard?

  You met in oh six, right?

• 45:50Speaker 02

  In oh six, yes.

• 45:51Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  That's amazing. You remember this about everyone you interview?

• 45:56Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it's the goal.

• 45:57Speaker 02

  And then you forget?

• 45:58Dax Shepard?

  The goal, no, unfortunately, I remember quite a bit of it.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  Wow, that's really impressive.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  Very impressive.

• 46:03Dax Shepard?

  The goal to let you in on my game I play is the goal is to never look at this piece of paper.

• 46:08Speaker 02

  Okay, so you were asking about Maxim. I don't think that Maxim was the thing that changed the trajectory.

• 46:13Dax Shepard?

  This Maxim spread ended up on the cover of the New York Post.

• 46:18Speaker 02

  And this and that.

• 46:19Dax Shepard?

  And there was controversy within the country of whether the tourism board should have.

• 46:22Speaker 02

  I do nothing and I feel like controversy chases me wherever I fucking go.

• 46:29Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:29Speaker 02

  And if you have any tips on how to like do sage, I try different stuff, it always follows. So we come to the gala, we go to sleep, we wake up, I'm on the cover. And I know there's like this controversy going on in Israel. Different ministers are starting to argue whether or not it's the right thing to do to promote Israel. Crazy stuff. All I did was being paid 500 bucks to do the photo shoot. And now I'm invited to this thing in New York and I'm 21. I wake up and the ambassador is calling me in New York and he's like, listen, there's been, I think, go downstairs. It's when you still can buy the newspaper at the corner of each.

• 47:13Speaker 02

  Go get the New York Post, you're on the cover of the New York Post and CNN wants to interview you and Fox News and NBC News.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 47:22Speaker 02

  I'm like looking at my husband, Yaron, and I'm like, what do I, how, and Yaron is like, we ride the wave. The ambassador said.

• 47:29Dax Shepard?

  What your name means. Your name means wave, right?

• 47:32Speaker 02

  We ride the wave. So we go and I do all these interviews. My English is nowhere where it is now.

• 47:39Dax Shepard?

  Gail became fluent in English by watching Seinfeld and.

• 47:44Speaker 01

  Friends.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  You got it, girl.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  I knew. That's why I connect with you. That's why I understand you so well. I'm about to be 39.

• 47:53Speaker 02

  Amazing. Yeah, we're the same generation, 41.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  Amazing. When's your birthday?

• 47:57Speaker 01

  Monday, August 24th.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  Mazato. Congratulations.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 48:01Speaker 02

  Okay, 39, 40 is the big one.

• 48:03Speaker 01

  I know it's coming up.

• 48:05Dax Shepard?

  So your English is rough.

• 48:07Speaker 02

  My English is rough. I do this thing. It's so bad to a point where Wolf Blitzer is interviewing me. And Yaron was standing next to the cameraman and I'm like, Yaron, how do you say this in English? And then Yaron is like, no, you don't look at me. Never ever did he ever go inside a place, so I don't ask him. That life, right? Can you imagine someone starting to speak a different language while interviewing? Never. And that was how I started my.

• 48:38Dax Shepard?

  Public life.

• 48:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  Are they asking you specifically about the controversy or are they just like, who are you?

• 48:44Speaker 02

  I remember I had two agendas, one agendas, two like talking goals. One is I'm not gonna get into this silly argument. I'm just gonna acknowledge everyone can have their own opinions. And that's it. And the other one was I invite everybody to come to Israel and La Dida. Cuz it's crazy what people think about Israel. They think we're like riding camels and everything is deserts and people walk around with MC16, which is not the case whatsoever.

• 49:16Dax Shepard?

  We ride donkeys and we carry M4s.

• 49:21Speaker 02

  No, you're more chic. You're like cowboys, you know, you herd cattle and you do the things. But I was like, I invite you all to come to Israel. It's great. It's so much fun. Like a 20-year-old girl would.

• 49:35Dax Shepard?

  Representing your country.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, what do you do?

• 49:38Dax Shepard?

  Okay, you get out of the military after two years, and then this is also comedic. You go to college, university, and you're gonna do medicine because primarily Ally McBeal.

• 49:48Speaker 02

  Not medicine, law.

• 49:49Dax Shepard?

  Oh, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, law. I didn't watch Ally McBeal.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 49:53Dax Shepard?

  You've just found the crack in my knowledge.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  If she watched Grey's Anatomy, it would have been medicine.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  You were thinking Grey's Anatomy.

• 49:59Dax Shepard?

  So you wanted to do law because of Ally McBeal. And at this point, I said to myself in the research, this bitch loves TV.

• 50:05Speaker 01

  I do too. I'm with you.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  Very influenced, very easy to influence. Listen. First off, my whole idea back then was not really TV. I feel like it's something you say on interviews. Yeah, I love Ally McBeal, blah, blah, blah. But I think, first of all, I wanted to be so many things. I wanted to be a chemist, like in the pharmacy, which is weird to me. Why would I ever? Okay. I wanted to be a choreographer. That's okay. I understand that.

• 50:36Dax Shepard?

  12 years of dance.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Then, after all, my dad is an engineer, my mom's a teacher. I needed to have a proper job. So I was like, okay, it's either medicine, which I'm not smart enough for, or law, which I don't like to argue and I don't like conflicts. But I was thinking about, I don't even know how to say it in English, like when you do diplomacy and you know the law and all of these things. I was like, I'll go there. Never happened.

• 51:06Dax Shepard?

  So there is a casting director in London who somehow comes across your modeling card.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 51:13Dax Shepard?

  And decides to have you audition for Quantum Solace, the James Bond movie, which is a crazy thing to happen.

• 51:21Speaker 02

  Very random.

• 51:22Dax Shepard?

  It's very random.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  And I did not want to go.

• 51:24Speaker 01

  Randomly saw your card.

• 51:25Speaker 02

  She went to the agency and she was looking for girls cuz she was looking for the Bond girls. And she saw my card and she was probably thinking, oh, maybe she can be right for it. And she asked to see me for an audition, which I wasn't planning on going. And then my agent called me and I was in school, I was in university. And he called me and he said, where are you? She's waiting. You should go. I was like, I'm not gonna go. I'm not an actress and it's all in English and blah, blah, blah. Go. So I walk inside and I have a La Mer. Do you know La Mer?

• 51:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love La Mer.

• 51:58Speaker 02

  Lip balm. I put the La Mer and I'm like, I'm so sorry I'm late. And she's like, oh my God, my lips are so, um,

• 52:05Speaker 01

  trapped.

• 52:06Speaker 02

  Do you mind if I use it? And I'm like, yeah, keep it.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  Oh my, oh.

• 52:10Dax Shepard?

  Keep it. That's generous. For people who have never bought La Mer, it's a very pricey.

• 52:13Speaker 02

  It's my lips, her lips. We just met too much information.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 52:17Dax Shepard?

  It's like sharing a toothbrush. Just take it.

• 52:19Speaker 02

  Exactly. You can keep my toothbrush.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  Crazy thing of her to ask.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  Well.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  Cause if it's the pot, which it's the pot, right? Yeah, it's your fingers all in it. This is nuts.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  Feel that if it was the lipstick, it's more weird.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:36Dax Shepard?

  That's like sharing a condom.

• 52:37Speaker 02

  You take it with your nail, you know. But anyway, I give her the very expensive lip balm.

• 52:43Dax Shepard?

  That might have been the reason.

• 52:45Speaker 02

  I think that my kindness led my way.

• 52:48Dax Shepard?

  Because she did not get that role.

• 52:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 52:51Speaker 02

  No.

• 52:52Dax Shepard?

  But years later.

• 52:54Speaker 02

  Say it. Say it, Dex.

• 52:55Dax Shepard?

  This woman who was gifted a very expensive topical.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  Her lips were now beautiful and perfect, not trapped.

• 53:04Dax Shepard?

  Urged Universal to meet Gal for Fast and Furious.

• 53:09Speaker 02

  Crazy. To this day, I'm so grateful for this woman.

• 53:12Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, unreal. And you put yourself on tape or you somehow you get an audition that is sent to Los Angeles. And then based on that, they like you enough that they say, come to LA and have a, and this is in quotes, a personal meeting with Vin Diesel.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  No, a test, like a camera test.

• 53:30Dax Shepard?

  Oh, it was a camera test. That sounds much better than one of the words I read. Have a personal meeting with Vin Diesel.

• 53:36Speaker 02

  And we went to our hotel suite.

• 53:38Speaker 01

  Oh, boy.

• 53:40Speaker 02

  It was hot.

• 53:43Speaker 01

  Just a chemistry.

• 53:45Dax Shepard?

  Okay, it was just a test. Okay, great, great, great, great. Do you know how many finalists there were? How many people were tested?

• 53:50Speaker 02

  Bunch.

• 53:51Dax Shepard?

  What clicked? Why did that work?

• 53:53Speaker 02

  I don't know. I had good chemistry with them.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  Were you nervous? Did you want the job or you kind of like take or leave it?

• 53:58Speaker 02

  No, I wanted the job. I came here. I remember I had to go back to, I came for like a night morning and then I left. I don't know. I was ready, so I came very prepared. So I did a good audition and I had good chemistry with all of them, with the director.

• 54:16Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so you end up in Fast and Furious. That was the fourth one, was the first one you did? And so at that time, what are your thoughts about the future? Like you're in this enormous franchise.

• 54:27Speaker 02

  I have two parents who are like, you need to go back to school to get a job. You need to get a real job. This is temporary. This is a phase. And I had an incredible, I have an incredible husband, who was like, this is the lighter side of life. Just let's enjoy it. It's okay. He was the dreamer and I'm, you know.

• 54:46Dax Shepard?

  That's what I think I picked up the tension in your life a little bit as I learned about you is like this reluctance to be in the pageant and this perhaps reservation about doing this thing. And it feels like it's the tension of having parents that were professional. And perhaps your fear that they would think what you were doing was vapid and pointless.

• 55:04Speaker 02

  I think I need to lay down on this. It's so fun. I think there's something there. And I think it's also when you start a career in such a young age, and it's not like medicine. You're not a doctor with a goal. And I never knew being an actress was an option. And it goes against my sign. I'm a Taurus. I like stability. I like to know what's going on.

• 55:28Dax Shepard?

  You're a Taurus through and through.

• 55:29Speaker 02

  Taurus with a Taurus horizon in the ox year.

• 55:33Dax Shepard?

  Ooh.

• 55:33Speaker 01

  Wow, that's where it gets tricky.

• 55:35Speaker 02

  And I must say, I'm not stubborn at all. I'm very open eyed.

• 55:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause it aren't Taurus.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  I'm like Taurus in other ways, but anyway, let's go back to subjects.

• 55:44Dax Shepard?

  You're flexible.

• 55:45Speaker 02

  But it was all new to me. It was going a lot against my personality. Cause it's a lot of traveling, a lot of uncertainty. Nothing is up to me.

• 55:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're out of control.

• 55:56Speaker 02

  I'm not in control of anything.

• 55:57Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, powerless.

• 55:58Speaker 02

  And it's hard and I don't like it.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  And sometimes I get roles and you do all these auditions and it's awful.

• 56:05Dax Shepard?

  I would say now there's this murky gap between that extraordinarily auspicious thing, getting in Fast and Furious, and then Wonder Woman. Tell me about those years. I imagine it felt like there was security on the table. And then the next month you'd be like, no, that was it.

• 56:20Speaker 02

  No, but it's different phases. So I did Fast four, five and six. They killed me on seven. It was such a hilarious way when the director called me. But Justin Lin called me one day and he's like, listen, I'm gonna send you the script. On this one, we're gonna have to deal with your death. And I'm like,

• 56:40Speaker 01

  Excuse me?

• 56:40Speaker 02

  She's deaf? It was like, no, no. Deaf, deaf. I'm like, yeah, I hear you. She lost her hearing.

• 56:49Dax Shepard?

  I can learn sign language.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  Die, die. You're gonna die.

• 56:54Dax Shepard?

  Oh, no.

• 56:56Speaker 02

  I was like, oh.

• 56:57Dax Shepard?

  There will be no Fast 8 for you.

• 56:59Speaker 02

  Exactly. Die, die. Finito la comedia.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  Did you take it personally?

• 57:04Speaker 02

  No, eh, I was bummed.

• 57:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:06Speaker 02

  Because it was a great, Fast and Furious is crazy. It's like a community. The cast are huge. There's so many of us. And within the years, 25 years, everybody loves each other and everybody knows each other. The good parts and the last good, but everybody love each other. And I was sad not to be part of this community anymore. After Fast and Furious, when we came here, I did so many auditions. We came for the premiere of the last Fast before they killed me. Supposedly I'm back. I did the eighth one. Yeah, I came on a cameo.

• 57:42Dax Shepard?

  Come on, it's Fast and Furious.

• 57:43Speaker 02

  They resurrected me. Yeah, exactly. So around there, I come and I do so many auditions and a callback and a match and I don't get it. And another one and a callback and a match and I don't get it. And I had a two-year-old daughter by then and Iran had like a hotel and real estate and stuff. And I told Iran, I don't think I can do it anymore. It's like, fuck it. It's too much rejection. Why? I'll go back to school or I'll be a sculptor. Then I wanted to be a sculptor.

• 58:11Dax Shepard?

  Sculptor.

• 58:13Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 58:14Dax Shepard?

  Sculptor is the product. I know. No, I thought about it. I thought about it. Monica, that was why there was a long delay. Correct or immediately?

• 58:22Speaker 02

  And I appreciate you so much.

• 58:24Dax Shepard?

  You don't mean that you want to be a statue.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  I did see the meme. I did already see the meme.

• 58:30Dax Shepard?

  Yes, I just wanted to help everyone.

• 58:32Speaker 02

  No, you corrected me once. Please always correct me.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  I just, I really hate you.

• 58:37Speaker 02

  What happened to me this weekend? So I'm having friends over for brunch. And I'm cooking and we're talking, we're talking. And then I go, yeah, well, you know, it's like, it's water across the bridge. And then they go, under.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:54Speaker 02

  But for years I've been saying across the bridge. No one said anything. I speak to my friend Melissa here and I go, you know, but we need to think about the objective. And in the back door, I'm translating from Hebrew.

• 59:06Dax Shepard?

  Sure.

• 59:07Speaker 02

  In the back door, I just feel, and then my husband who was on the call is like, Gal.

• 59:14Dax Shepard?

  You don't, you don't want to get your objective through.

• 59:18Speaker 02

  Your back door is more like anal.

• 59:21Speaker 01

  Maybe you do and that's okay too.

• 59:24Dax Shepard?

  That's true. I don't want to shame anyone.

• 59:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, it's fine. It just was completely translated from Hebrew. So thank you. Always feel free to correct me. I'm always learning.

• 59:33Dax Shepard?

  Oh, I only felt important in that moment. Cause I know she didn't want to be a statue.

• 59:37Speaker 01

  I thought it was sweet. Maybe she did want to be a sculptor.

• 59:40Dax Shepard?

  Well, that's why we needed to correct it.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  And that's also cool. I don't know. We need to know. Okay. So you want to be a sculptor potentially?

• 59:48Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  Sculptor? Sculptor.

• 59:51Speaker 02

  Sculptor.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  Sculptor. It's hard. It's a hard word.

• 59:53Speaker 02

  One day.

• 59:55Dax Shepard?

  On your deathbed, you'll say the perfect English.

• 59:57Speaker 02

  Sculptor.

• 59:59Speaker 01

  One of my best friends is from Venezuela and I'm around her all the time. And so we do run into this often and I'm always deciding like, what does she need to be corrected on? What does she not?

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  Just not to stop the flow of the conversation. No, I get that. But that was a good fit. I always wanted to be a sculptor.

• 1:00:20Dax Shepard?

  To be admired, you know.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  Honestly, I do want to be a sculptor.

• 1:00:25Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it would be all.

• 1:00:26Speaker 01

  It would be great.

• 1:00:27Dax Shepard?

  You gotta be worthy of a sculptor.

• 1:00:29Speaker 02

  And then I told Iran, let's just stop it. And then I did the audition for Wonder Woman.

• 1:00:34Dax Shepard?

  And just to remind people, so first was Batman V Superman and Wonder Woman was gonna make her first appearance in it. So at that moment, it's not like we're thinking.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  They wanted to test the water.

• 1:00:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, and you're not necessarily at that moment thinking, I'm auditioning to be in a Wonder Woman only movie.

• 1:00:49Speaker 02

  No, you didn't know what you were auditioning for. It was like a secret. They didn't tell you. They gave me a scene that only later I realized was an Uma Thurman scene from, uh,

• 1:01:00Dax Shepard?

  Pulp Fiction?

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. Wow. But then finally, when they called me to do the test with Ben, then the director called me and he said, I don't know if you have it in Israel, but did you ever hear about Wonder Woman?

• 1:01:18Dax Shepard?

  You're like, bitch, I watch all the TV.

• 1:01:20Speaker 02

  Have I ever?

• 1:01:22Dax Shepard?

  I know Ally McBeal.

• 1:01:23Speaker 02

  Exactly. Friends. Seinfeld. Yes.

• 1:01:27Dax Shepard?

  We skipped one thing and I only want to plant a seed because I'm gonna bring it up later. But you also, after the first fest, you did Night and Day, Tom Cruise movie. And you're in a scene with Tom Cruise.

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  An incredible man.

• 1:01:41Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Tell me about the experience.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  I flew to Vienna to do the scene. I had, I think it was one night of work with him. And he was the most wonderful and they changed the scene completely. So you come, you learned all your lines and now with my English, they completely scratched that.

• 1:01:59Dax Shepard?

  Oopsies.

• 1:01:59Speaker 02

  And somehow I figured it out and we did the scene together and it was an incredible experience. And we had a lot of waiting to do like you have when you shoot a movie. And he was talking to me a lot about my grandfather was a Holocaust survivor. And Tom did, um.

• 1:02:20Dax Shepard?

  Oh, Valkyrie?

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  Was it Valkyrie? I was, wanted to say that, but now I'm like, yeah, so Valkyrie.

• 1:02:26Dax Shepard?

  I think so.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're right. And he was like so curious about my family and my heritage. And years later, after I did Wonder Woman, we met in his house with another director and producer. No, we all reminisce on the days. No, but another producer and director. And he opened the door and he greeted me and I didn't even think he would remember who I am. So I introduced myself and he was like, what are you talking about? We did that. How's your grandfather? Is he still around?

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  That's kind.

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  How amazing. Those people really.

• 1:03:00Dax Shepard?

  Is he the one that does the cake?

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  Yes. Did you get a cake?

• 1:03:03Dax Shepard?

  Have you gotten a cake from him? Okay, we shouldn't have brought that up. Never mind. There's no cake.

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  Either way.

• 1:03:11Speaker 02

  He makes cakes?

• 1:03:12Dax Shepard?

  He sends the same cake to everyone. He's, most of the people he's worked with. A large percentage of the people he's worked with.

• 1:03:21Speaker 02

  Well, I worked with him for one night. Tom, it's fine. It's okay. I can take it.

• 1:03:25Dax Shepard?

  Tom, let's get Gal the cake.

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  No, no, it's fine. It's fine. I don't like cakes. I don't like cakes. It's fine. I like chocolate.

• 1:03:32Dax Shepard?

  No, it's a fun thing in Hollywood and it's like basically in your friendship circle, the goal is to know someone who gets the cake and then to go try it, which I got to do last year.

• 1:03:41Speaker 02

  So you don't get the cake?

• 1:03:42Dax Shepard?

  I've never worked with him. I've never even, well, I have met him.

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  Look at him. I'm not supposed to get the cake.

• 1:03:47Dax Shepard?

  No, I don't deserve the cake.

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, you should have got the cake.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  Did you get, uh, Vince's, how do you call it? The house you built from cookies in America?

• 1:03:55Dax Shepard?

  Oh, gingerbread?

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  Gingerbread house?

• 1:03:56Dax Shepard?

  Who gives a gingerbread house?

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  Ben.

• 1:03:58Dax Shepard?

  Oh, that's his thing. No, I've never worked with him. Do you get the gingerbread house?

• 1:04:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:04Dax Shepard?

  Oh, you have the biggest one.

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  I need a house for the house.

• 1:04:08Dax Shepard?

  They bring it on a mobile home trailer.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  We should start doing this. We should start sending out something and it's like special. Our guests will get it.

• 1:04:15Speaker 02

  You should send like cool chairs, obviously.

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  It feels expensive.

• 1:04:20Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Could you do something more in like a hundred dollar range?

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  Gingerbread is very expensive.

• 1:04:25Dax Shepard?

  I think the Tom Cruise cake is pricey too. But that sounds great. And then I think of us trying to compile the list and get addresses and then I'm out.

• 1:04:32Speaker 02

  So wait a second, you didn't try the cake?

• 1:04:34Dax Shepard?

  It was a game night at Liz Bang's house and someone at this party had worked with Tom Cruise enough that they got the cake and they're smart. They know to bring it to the party because everyone wants to try the Tom Cruise cake.

• 1:04:44Speaker 02

  What was it?

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  It's coconut. It's always a coconut cake.

• 1:04:48Dax Shepard?

  With like a vanilla, spongy middle.

• 1:04:50Speaker 01

  I guess. I've looked up pictures.

• 1:04:52Dax Shepard?

  It's beautiful.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  I've considered ordering it myself. It's a thing.

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  I'm so out of the loop. It's so hard to immerse in the American culture fully. When you're a mother of so many children and you're so tired.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  You don't need to.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  How many kids do you have?

• 1:05:07Dax Shepard?

  Two.

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  Two girls?

• 1:05:08Dax Shepard?

  Two girls. Yeah. You have four girls, right?

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:10Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:11Speaker 02

  How old?

• 1:05:12Dax Shepard?

  Uh, eleven and thirteen.

• 1:05:13Speaker 02

  Oh, ooh, how's it going?

• 1:05:15Dax Shepard?

  That's right. That's right.

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  How's the thirteen?

• 1:05:16Dax Shepard?

  I'll leave it at there because they're their own people.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:05:20Dax Shepard?

  Well, no, I tell everything that's spectacular about them.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  Good. I think that's what we should do.

• 1:05:24Dax Shepard?

  That's right.

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  Oh, so you're living with that.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  You know, we're entering teenagehood.

• 1:05:29Speaker 02

  I know. I know. I know.

• 1:05:30Dax Shepard?

  How old's your oldest?

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  Fourteen and a half.

• 1:05:33Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you know exactly what's happening.

• 1:05:34Speaker 02

  Going to high school now. I have like a teenage girl, a girl, a toddler and like a little girl. A little girl and toddler. It's everywhere.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  You've got them all.

• 1:05:44Speaker 02

  It's amazing. It's exhausting and it's hard too. It's very hard. I didn't expect it.

• 1:05:48Dax Shepard?

  Soon as you figure them out, they change.

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  Exactly. There's never like a status quo. And every time someone has a different need that you need to adjust everybody to.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  But it's the most rewarding and amazing thing.

• 1:06:04Speaker 03

  Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.

• 1:06:10Dax Shepard?

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• 1:06:52Dax Shepard?

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• 1:07:37Speaker 01

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• 1:07:48Dax Shepard?

  You know, I was just talking to a friend who has just started it and I said, one of the most powerful elements of it is just hearing yourself say out loud the thing that's been ruminating in your head and how different it sounds once it's out into the world. You gain perspective immediately just by hearing yourself say it.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, you do.

• 1:08:04Dax Shepard?

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• 1:08:48Dax Shepard?

  and make it public facing and Squarespace was that bridge. Maybe you're in the same spot. You've been developing something, a business, a skillset, a body of work, and it's been private. It's been yours, but at some point you're ready to put it out there. And that transition from private to public can feel like a huge leap. Squarespace makes it feel like a step. Beautiful templates, built-in SEO, email campaigns, scheduling, analytics, everything you need to go from, I've been working on this to here it is, come find me. All in one place, no code, no stitching together a bunch of different tools. So if you've been sitting on something and waiting for the right moment, this might be it. Head to squarespace.com/dax for a free trial.

• 1:09:30Dax Shepard?

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• 1:10:03Speaker 04

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• 1:11:06Speaker 02

  Funny, my mom always tells me, it's so hard. Like any challenge about life, or my mom is like, wow, it's so hard. How do you do it? It's like she relates too much that she feels more suffer than I ever will. Not just the kids, like anything. And I started telling her, Emma, I feel like life is a struggle. Every day it's not comfortable. Life is not convenient.

• 1:11:30Dax Shepard?

  Correct.

• 1:11:30Speaker 02

  It's always like, we need to overcome. But then is when you're happy. That's when you get happy. Or, yeah, when you earn it.

• 1:11:40Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so through the Batman V Superman, you end up getting your own movie, Wonder Woman, the first one. And Monica, do you remember how much money this fucking movie made?

• 1:11:51Speaker 01

  I don't.

• 1:11:52Dax Shepard?

  Eight sixty-two, it opened at a hundred and three million dollars. The estimates were like sixty-five, and this fucking thing was just a juggernaut.

• 1:12:01Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 1:12:02Dax Shepard?

  How, after these years of frustration, did you integrate this new bit of information that was virtually opposite of your whole ride prior to that? How, how did you join these two experiences into something cohesive? And how hard or easy was that?

• 1:12:18Speaker 02

  I think like in life, it builds up, right? You don't leave the jumps. I'm not still stuck in where I was and all the rejection. Now I had to deal with filming a movie and be the little girl that needs to conquer this mountain and how do I do it? And it's the first time that I'm doing a movie that is my title and it's so physical and how do I do it? And being a mom and so there was a lot to do. Throughout the film, we were always pushing. Patty and I were always like, let's change the script. And the studio wouldn't give you the extra money to film it. So you need to film the two versions of the scene all in one day to make sure. So you do all of that.

• 1:12:59Dax Shepard?

  Also, yeah, they had half the budget a normal movie of that kind would have had.

• 1:13:03Speaker 02

  We were like the underdogs.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:05Speaker 02

  Again, going back to women's health awareness and all of that. Let's do a movie for the girls and blah.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:13:10Dax Shepard?

  Hopefully it'll break even.

• 1:13:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. Let's see how it's gonna.

• 1:13:13Speaker 01

  Let's give them no resources.

• 1:13:14Speaker 02

  Patty and I were like, this is gonna be so special. And we need this type of movie and we need this type of. And it's all about love, love, love. We were all, from the first time Patty and I met, all we talk about was love and humanity and how do we bring light to the world? And it sounds a little bit like, who the fuck do we think we are, right? But when you're given an opportunity to tell a story that is about something and you wanna say something about something positive, why not?

• 1:13:44Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:45Speaker 02

  So we were super invested and then the movie comes out. It was amazing, but I wasn't popping. Okay, to be fair, I was going through a postpartum. I had my second one and she was eight weeks old when we started promoting the movie. And I had a major back injury. So I was miserable. And then, so when the movie opened, I was very happy and I felt satisfied with the success, but I wasn't.

• 1:14:16Dax Shepard?

  Happy.

• 1:14:16Speaker 02

  Happy.

• 1:14:17Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:17Speaker 02

  There was some kind of asymmetry between where I was personally in my own life, in my own body, to what the outside world would think about me.

• 1:14:28Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so that kinda answers what I meant my next question, which is so often, I think, for many of us who get lucky, it's weirdly hard to be present for it. Because the lucky event can potentially lead to lots of opportunity, lots of options, lots of shit in the future. It signals, oh, wow, I might now have this future. And so the monkey brain can't resist thinking of now what's possible because of this one thing. You often kinda miss the thing. Did you experience that at all?

• 1:15:02Speaker 02

  For me, it's not even that necessarily. Well, first of all, the way my mental health works, and it's nothing that I do to control it. I only realize what happened to me in retrospective. So when I'm there, it's too overwhelming. It's too much to grasp and to understand fully. So I just ride the wave and I understand it clicks, but I'm not feeling.

• 1:15:30Dax Shepard?

  Correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:31Speaker 02

  Only in retrospective, when I can actually grasp it. Only in retrospective, I can grasp on these type of things. I feel like when it happens, it's too overwhelming. You don't have time.

• 1:15:41Dax Shepard?

  It makes me sad, though.

• 1:15:43Speaker 02

  But I think it's a protection mechanism that our mind has. Cause you can lose your mind.

• 1:15:50Dax Shepard?

  Some part of you doesn't trust it. It's very hard to compute what's happening.

• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  It's also not about me. It's not about you. Yes, it's my success, it's my face, it's my movie, blah, blah, blah. But it's not me that they love. It's like this image, this character.

• 1:16:07Dax Shepard?

  A female being a matriarch, which no one gets to see. No little girls get to see, or it's very rare.

• 1:16:13Speaker 02

  Yes, I agree with you. And when I say it, I'm talking about not just as the female. It's funny, I'm trying to find the right words to put it. But I think that if you really get it, if you're really present in the moment of success because of the ego, it can bring you to places that can be very tricky.

• 1:16:34Dax Shepard?

  You're suggesting that it might be healthier to miss it.

• 1:16:37Speaker 02

  Not to miss it completely, but it's like the best food for ego, right?

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  And I think, most people think the ego is the worst enemy a human can have.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  It can take you out.

• 1:16:49Dax Shepard?

  I think ego's gotten a bad rap, but I know what you're saying.

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm interested to hear.

• 1:16:53Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, this notion you should be egoless is ridiculous. You need your ego.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  You can't be ego.

• 1:16:57Dax Shepard?

  No, and you need to pursue your own. And then you go too far and you learn and you dial it back. But it's a yin and yang and it's a balance.

• 1:17:03Speaker 02

  I see the ego like this, like, yeah, give me.

• 1:17:05Dax Shepard?

  Give me more. Bottomless, insatiable.

• 1:17:08Speaker 02

  Exactly, on a very superficial level.

• 1:17:10Dax Shepard?

  And it is, but there is a percentage of it that is ideal.

• 1:17:13Speaker 02

  That makes you a better person and makes you live up to what the ego tells you you are and all these things.

• 1:17:18Dax Shepard?

  I might be able to do this thing currently, doesn't seem like I could. That's your ego and that's good. Someone stared at Everest and was like, yeah, no one's got to the top of that. I think I could, that's ego. Now, if he gets up there, he's like, oh, my God, now we're in trouble.

• 1:17:32Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:17:33Dax Shepard?

  But the ego got you up there.

• 1:17:34Speaker 02

  But don't you think a lot of people, I met a lot of successful people that when I talk to them about the moment of success, the moment of breakthrough that they've had in their careers, I find that a lot of them were in the same area as I was. They didn't pop the champagnes and like parties and woo-hoo, we did it. They had some weird tension going on with it. I had it even more because of the postpartum and because of my back injury. And some would say that it's all one.

• 1:18:04Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I think it's hard when people are like, you're the greatest, you're the greatest, you're the greatest and you're you.

• 1:18:11Dax Shepard?

  You don't feel like the greatest.

• 1:18:12Speaker 01

  By the way, you're not.

• 1:18:13Speaker 02

  And if you feel like you're the greatest.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  It's a problem.

• 1:18:16Speaker 02

  That's also a problem.

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  It's a huge problem, yeah. So I think being wary of it's wise.

• 1:18:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:22Dax Shepard?

  You gotta keep your eye on it.

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  You gotta keep, yeah.

• 1:18:23Dax Shepard?

  Okay, let's talk about The Runner.

• 1:18:25Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:18:26Dax Shepard?

  Yes, so I had brought up Tom Cruise because nobody has ever ran in a motion picture as well as Tom Cruise. I'm so obsessed with his running. My children are too. We watch the Mission Impossible movies on repeat. We love them.

• 1:18:40Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 1:18:41Dax Shepard?

  And I love that every one of those movies, they're gonna build in a sequence where you're gonna watch this man run. And sometimes you're gonna watch this man run in a one solid wide shot for like two and a half minutes at a sprint.

• 1:18:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's amazing.

• 1:18:56Dax Shepard?

  And I'm like, how does this guy not rip his Achilles and his hammies and his everything?

• 1:19:00Speaker 02

  He did.

• 1:19:01Dax Shepard?

  He did. Okay, that's the answer.

• 1:19:04Dax Shepard?

  How does he not? He does.

• 1:19:07Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so the premise of The Runner is you are a lawyer and you are also a runner. And you have this little boy and the little boy's diabetic. When we meet you, you're dropping him off at school and then you're gonna go for your run. We can tell immediately this is your half hour of your day.

• 1:19:22Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:19:23Dax Shepard?

  That is bliss.

• 1:19:23Speaker 02

  She starts the day, she goes for a run.

• 1:19:25Dax Shepard?

  What's the great song you start with?

• 1:19:27Speaker 02

  Blondie, wasn't it?

• 1:19:28Dax Shepard?

  Yes, Blondie. It's so good that when I heard, I was like, fuck, I gotta drop back into some Blondie. It's so good.

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  So good.

• 1:19:34Dax Shepard?

  So you start running, there's another dude in the park.

• 1:19:36Speaker 02

  Now it annoys me that I can't remember.

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  Rob.

• 1:19:38Dax Shepard?

  Rob. Help.

• 1:19:40Speaker 05

  Trying to find it.

• 1:19:41Speaker 02

  That's about, ah, about.

• 1:19:44Speaker 05

  One way or another?

• 1:19:45Dax Shepard?

  One, no.

• 1:19:46Speaker 05

  Nope. Ring of Fire?

• 1:19:48Dax Shepard?

  No.

• 1:19:49Speaker 01

  Okay, we're not gonna find it. All right, go on.

• 1:19:51Dax Shepard?

  I thought you were gonna look at the movie credits, not their greatest hits.

• 1:19:56Speaker 01

  Okay, okay, so.

• 1:19:59Dax Shepard?

  I love you, Rob. You have a hard job. We're constantly like, how many feet are in a kilometer? Go. I need it now.

• 1:20:06Speaker 02

  Now it's that easy, we chat, okay, yeah.

• 1:20:08Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so yes, you dropped your kid off. You're going through your run through the park. You know, you're on a call with a client. We learn that you're a lawyer and then it's back to fun time. And you see another dude who's running, he's fast. And already, at this point in the movie, I'm like, how long is she gonna run?

• 1:20:23Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:20:24Dax Shepard?

  Y'all, she's gonna run the entire fucking movie. It's insane. So just in a nutshell, you get then another call. It's coming from your child's phone. You learn quickly that your son's been abducted by somebody. And now this person is giving the kind of, I would say the things it parallels is on the bus speed. A lock, you're on a phone call, someone has the leverage.

• 1:20:45Speaker 02

  I'm racing time to save my son's life.

• 1:20:47Dax Shepard?

  That's right. And you run through all of London, I'm pretty sure.

• 1:20:51Speaker 02

  Over six miles of London and, yeah.

• 1:20:54Speaker 01

  And are they like, if you stop running, he's dead?

• 1:20:57Speaker 02

  I'm not allowed to stop running. I'm not allowed to talk to anybody. I'm not allowed to get on a cab or a tube or anything. I need to run and save my child.

• 1:21:07Dax Shepard?

  Cause there is a legal case she's involved with.

• 1:21:10Speaker 02

  We're not gonna tell you the whole movie, but it's like a nonstop. When you start watching it, it's like, not a second to take another breath. You're at the edge of your seat.

• 1:21:21Dax Shepard?

  In no particular order. What is the game plan? You go like, okay, you read the script and I'm like, okay, yeah, this is really cool. And then do you even let yourself go like, but how are we gonna film this? And what will that experience be like? Do you not let yourself even consider that because you like the movie?

• 1:21:35Speaker 02

  Okay, so I'll give you the timeframe. So I read it after what happened to me with my fourth baby and almost dying, blah, blah, blah. They did the whole thing. It took me many months to recover. So for months, for the first months, I was just in bed, listening to podcasts, reading a little bit and just resting and walking with shades in the house all the time because I had migraines all day long. And then I read the script and I think to myself, really fucking good script. I couldn't put it down. It was so good, I read it one go. When it works, it works and you know it. And I speak to my agent and I'm like, I'm not gonna be able to do this film now.

• 1:22:15Dax Shepard?

  And honestly, I don't even know if Tom Cruise can do this film. I think the running is non.

• 1:22:18Speaker 02

  Who can do this film? Is it AI? Who's gonna run 110 pages of running? And she's like, okay, just take the call with Kevin McDonald, the director.

• 1:22:29Dax Shepard?

  Quickly add, he directed one of my very favorite movies of all time, Last King of Scotland.

• 1:22:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, amazing, talented, great, great director. I take the zoom with him and I say to myself, I'm not gonna start talking about what happened to me in my head. I'm not, I'm just gonna be professional. Let's talk about it. And he's like, so I heard you just said your baby. I'm like, yeah. He's like, it gets easier from one pregnancy to the next, no? From one delivery to the next. I was like, I'm not really on this one. He's like, what happened? And I'm like, I had like a thing called CBT, but it's fine now. You had cerebral venous thrombosis.

• 1:23:04Dax Shepard?

  He knew about it?

• 1:23:06Speaker 02

  He had it before I did.

• 1:23:07Speaker 06

  Whoa, sim. We call that sim.

• 1:23:10Dax Shepard?

  No way.

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  Six weeks before I did.

• 1:23:12Dax Shepard?

  Six weeks before? Oh my goodness. What number child was his?

• 1:23:19Speaker 06

  Who was he giving birth to?

• 1:23:21Speaker 02

  No, but I was like, there's a migraineous stage. Yes, I'm in it. Anyway, we connect on this level. We talk about the script. He tells me his vision. I love it, but I say, listen, I'm not gonna be able to do it. I'm not there. I'm just recovering. And he says, well, after talking to you now, I can't imagine anybody else doing this role. How long would you need? And I go nine months, one year. And we hang up. And then he calls me back, I think within the hour, and he said, the studio is willing to push it for you. Would you be in? Are you in? And then I said, yeah. And you know what else is crazy?

• 1:24:05Speaker 02

  All the neurologists that I went to see after what happened to me told me, you need to break sweat at least half an hour a day. If there is one thing I hate is running. Hate.

• 1:24:15Dax Shepard?

  Oh, really?

• 1:24:16Speaker 02

  And I'm also spiritual a little bit. I was like, this is the universe.

• 1:24:20Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 1:24:20Speaker 02

  Giving me exactly what I need, a director that will understand what I've been through. Breaking sweat like there's no tomorrow.

• 1:24:27Speaker 06

  Forcing you.

• 1:24:27Speaker 02

  What can be better than that? So a couple of months later, they brought me the most amazing trainers.

• 1:24:34Dax Shepard?

  And were they specifically like running coaches?

• 1:24:37Speaker 02

  The first one, Malachi, was for running.

• 1:24:39Dax Shepard?

  And was that person like a collegiate coach or something for running?

• 1:24:42Speaker 02

  He trains the US Olympic winner. Incredible. And I worked with him every day for months.

• 1:24:48Dax Shepard?

  And was he a sprinting coach or a long distance coach?

• 1:24:50Speaker 02

  Sprinting, but I ran long distance.

• 1:24:53Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. So my question was, I had a sprinting incident on my birthday this year.

• 1:24:58Speaker 02

  Are you a runner?

• 1:24:58Dax Shepard?

  Well, I'm born on January 2nd. My new year's resolution was, okay, I gotta do sprints twice a week.

• 1:25:03Speaker 02

  That was your new year's resolution? You've gotta do sprints?

• 1:25:06Dax Shepard?

  Twice a week, yeah.

• 1:25:08Speaker 02

  Your life is in a really good place.

• 1:25:12Dax Shepard?

  I'm down to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. What a privilege that that was.

• 1:25:16Speaker 02

  No, it's amazing.

• 1:25:18Dax Shepard?

  Anyway, first run out, I happened to do with a bunch of people. We got a little competitive. My friend blew out a butt cheek. I fucked up my foot. And then I was like, okay, I gotta learn what the pre-sprint warmup is. And then I asked chat and dude, it's lengthy. He's fucking swing this way, swing. I mean.

• 1:25:36Speaker 06

  Of course, it's hard on your body. Sprinting is very hard.

• 1:25:39Dax Shepard?

  Don't make me feel stupid. I know. It's hard.

• 1:25:41Speaker 02

  Like my husband say, don't try, I don't know, how old are you?

• 1:25:44Dax Shepard?

  51.

• 1:25:45Speaker 02

  My husband, he always say, never pick up a new sports after 50.

• 1:25:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think that's fair and smart.

• 1:25:51Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. I mean, I had sprinted before. Anyways, was there an insane warmup before you would do takes?

• 1:25:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:57Dax Shepard?

  I'm an impatient person, so that part of the process would be very hard for me. Like, okay, I'm about to do the scene. I'm gonna do 20 minutes of warmup.

• 1:26:04Speaker 02

  No, not like that.

• 1:26:05Dax Shepard?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:26:06Speaker 02

  It would be in like seven minutes. Now I need to do some cycling. Then I need to do some stretching. Then I need to do this and then I go. But I finished the film on crutches.

• 1:26:16Dax Shepard?

  Oh, I was gonna say, my next question was, did you get hurt? How many times did you get hurt?

• 1:26:20Speaker 02

  I got hurt multiple times throughout the film. The character had a watch and I connected the watch to my phone. So I can see my steps and everything. I had weeks where I had like 150 something thousand steps.

• 1:26:35Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:36Speaker 02

  So it was nonstop and there's no time to recover. You don't sleep well because you film all the time. You work in the cold, in the heat, whatever.

• 1:26:43Dax Shepard?

  And when people watch this movie, they're like, wow, that was a really long sprint. I don't think I could sprint that long. You must remember that was one of eight takes before the fucking extras crossed at the right time.

• 1:26:54Speaker 02

  It was a whole thing, but I had like stress fractures in my feet.

• 1:26:59Dax Shepard?

  I bet.

• 1:27:00Speaker 02

  And I'm an ugly runner.

• 1:27:02Dax Shepard?

  No, I was just about to make the opposite statement.

• 1:27:05Speaker 02

  We know how to film it.

• 1:27:07Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:27:08Speaker 02

  I run beautifully until my knees, knees down.

• 1:27:13Dax Shepard?

  What happened?

• 1:27:14Speaker 02

  Phoebe from Friends.

• 1:27:16Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:27:16Speaker 02

  I'm telling you.

• 1:27:18Speaker 06

  Her whole body is flailing.

• 1:27:20Speaker 02

  She does it. That, no, that's all in control, but knees down.

• 1:27:24Speaker 06

  What do you mean? There's not much to the knee down. You mean the feet?

• 1:27:28Speaker 02

  You'll be surprised.

• 1:27:28Speaker 06

  Okay. I kinda wanna see it.

• 1:27:30Speaker 02

  I kick them out. I kick them out.

• 1:27:32Dax Shepard?

  It's like, I think.

• 1:27:34Speaker 06

  Okay, well, that did probably hurt your feet. Okay, so we wanna do heel toe next time? Just reminding people about.

• 1:27:41Speaker 02

  I did heel toe and everything. It's just the way.

• 1:27:44Dax Shepard?

  Did you have days where you, you know, you've got your 6 a.m. pickup or whatever? You have longer hair and makeup, it's probably 5 a.m. Did you have any days where you woke up and you're like, oh yeah, not a chance we can shoot that scene today?

• 1:27:55Speaker 02

  Never, ever, ever happened to me in my entire career.

• 1:27:58Dax Shepard?

  Even on this movie?

• 1:28:00Speaker 02

  I trust the people that I work with. I know that everyone that are gonna show up are gonna show up and I need to deliver.

• 1:28:07Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:28:08Speaker 02

  But if I have these type of moments, even then, I was about to say unless I'm like super sick, but even then I.

• 1:28:14Dax Shepard?

  Any cortisone shots in joints or feet during the filming? Were they having to work on you like a boxer?

• 1:28:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, they worked on me every day, every other day. Yeah. It was insane.

• 1:28:24Speaker 06

  That's the athlete in you. You're gonna keep pushing. You're just gonna show up and do it.

• 1:28:28Speaker 02

  Even on crutches. By the way, when I was on crutches, we filmed tighter shots.

• 1:28:33Dax Shepard?

  I'm envious of you to have this movie in your life when you're older and your girls are grown up. And like just the physical fucking test you passed.

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  But I knew it was a gift. It wasn't like, oh, fuck, how am I gonna do it? It was like, shit, I'm gonna learn how to run. Oh my God.

• 1:28:51Dax Shepard?

  But you did it. It's like, it's an accomplishment in and of itself, which I hope is rewarding to you.

• 1:28:57Speaker 02

  It is.

• 1:28:57Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:58Speaker 02

  Very.

• 1:28:58Dax Shepard?

  You have something, period. You'll walk away with something, period, which is rare.

• 1:29:02Speaker 02

  Forever.

• 1:29:03Dax Shepard?

  That's right. Well, gal, this was a delight.

• 1:29:05Speaker 02

  There was so much fun. Yeah.

• 1:29:07Dax Shepard?

  I hope you enjoyed your first podcast.

• 1:29:08Speaker 02

  It was great.

• 1:29:09Dax Shepard?

  Okay, good. They're all like this.

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  Always remember you guys.

• 1:29:11Dax Shepard?

  They're all like this. So just say yes to all of them. I promise they're all like this.

• 1:29:15Speaker 02

  It's a lot of fun. Thank you so much for being so interesting.

• 1:29:18Dax Shepard?

  Watch The Runner on Amazon Prime, September.

• 1:29:21Speaker 06

  Second.

• 1:29:22Dax Shepard?

  Second, second, second.

• 1:29:23Speaker 02

  September 2nd, September 2nd, September 2nd.

• 1:29:25Dax Shepard?

  Okay, The Runner, Amazon Prime, September 2nd. Thank you so much for coming. This was fun.

• 1:29:28Speaker 02

  Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you.

• 1:29:32Speaker 06

  He is an arm care expert, but he makes mistakes all the time.

• 1:29:36Dax Shepard?

  Thank God Monica's here. She's gonna let him have the facts.

• 1:29:42Dax Shepard?

  I wanna start with revisiting my hemorrhoid thing.

• 1:29:45Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:29:46Dax Shepard?

  I've done a bit more of an autopsy on it, on what I think actually happened. Cause I think when we talked about it, I kinda blamed harness, if you recall. That's what precluded, preluded it. And I know actually what happened. I'm so used to having the brundle, the sprayer. And here I had this harness on the road and I was doing a ton of wiping. And I'm out of practice wiping without the brundle. And I go too hard and too frequent because it just doesn't, because I'm so used to being able to clean, clean. And I realized that's what caused it. So I'm back kinda on the toilet, spending more time again on Instagram and stuff because

• 1:30:32Dax Shepard?

  I've decided it was definitely more about the wiping, I think is what it was.

• 1:30:36Speaker 06

  Okay. Good luck to you.

• 1:30:39Dax Shepard?

  I believe it. You now have one, right? I had one. Not hemorrhoid.

• 1:30:47Speaker 06

  That's what I thought as well.

• 1:30:49Dax Shepard?

  A brundle. Like you have a, you have a flushy or whatever the hell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have now in every bathroom. Yeah. And it changes your life, right? It's.

• 1:31:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, you're pampered.

• 1:31:01Dax Shepard?

  You are, and you're you take way less abuse down there.

• 1:31:04Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:31:05Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you can get the job done in way less.

• 1:31:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, report back on if you get another one.

• 1:31:13Speaker 06

  Okay, next time you're on the road.

• 1:31:15Speaker 01

  It won't be, it's gonna be because he's on the toilet for a long time.

• 1:31:20Speaker 06

  Few minutes down there.

• 1:31:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:24Speaker 06

  Some me time.

• 1:31:24Dax Shepard?

  I just read a comment the other day that said, I know you're reading on this on the toilet, get off. I wrote on there busted. When else am I gonna do it? I'm not looking at Instagram unless I'm on the toilet.

• 1:31:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true. Speaking of things people have said, a lot of people asked if Jack McBrayer texted me on my birthday. He did not.

• 1:31:44Dax Shepard?

  I'm I'm very sorry.

• 1:31:45Speaker 01

  So I just need to make that.

• 1:31:48Dax Shepard?

  Did you text Keckner?

• 1:31:49Speaker 01

  No, he texts me, but he didn't. We haven't, we actually haven't done that in a few years.

• 1:31:55Dax Shepard?

  You haven't celebrated a birthday buddy status?

• 1:31:57Speaker 01

  I know, but I wish I wish him. Yeah. He used to text me on my birthday because we were birthday buddies, very sweet. Yeah, so I guess I didn't make the cut for Jack.

• 1:32:13Speaker 01

  And he can try again next year.

• 1:32:15Dax Shepard?

  Okay, this is.

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  Putting that out there.

• 1:32:17Dax Shepard?

  Formal heads up to him.

• 1:32:19Speaker 01

  August twenty four.

• 1:32:20Dax Shepard?

  Big one next year. If ever there was a time to start sending the text, it's it's next birthday.

• 1:32:26Speaker 01

  True. So you know, my birthday, I went to a really good restaurant.

• 1:32:29Dax Shepard?

  Just about to ask, how was your birthday dinner?

• 1:32:32Speaker 01

  It was incredible. It's called River. It's in Venice. Highly recommend. It was so good. And there were some arm cherries working.

• 1:32:41Dax Shepard?

  Oh, no kidding.

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, and so they brought over a special treat, treat.

• 1:32:46Dax Shepard?

  What was it?

• 1:32:47Speaker 01

  An aperitivo.

• 1:32:49Dax Shepard?

  That's a cocktail?

• 1:32:50Speaker 01

  It's like an after dinner drink.

• 1:32:52Dax Shepard?

  Okay, an aperitif?

• 1:32:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it's an aperitif. Yeah, not an aperitivo.

• 1:32:58Dax Shepard?

  Oh, I thought the actual name of the drink was aperitivo, like a spin off of aperitif.

• 1:33:02Speaker 01

  No, I was saying.

• 1:33:04Speaker 06

  Is it Aperol in it or is it some kind of apricot?

• 1:33:07Speaker 01

  I don't think it has Aperol in it.

• 1:33:10Dax Shepard?

  Or tief.

• 1:33:10Speaker 01

  Aperitifs have different ones. There's like Fernet, ding ding ding, when we had Bert Kreischer on. We gave each other drinks to drink.

• 1:33:19Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:33:20Speaker 01

  And he wanted me to drink Fernet. That's an after dinner drink, an aperitif.

• 1:33:25Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:33:27Speaker 01

  They're all interesting. They kind of have like a licorice, they they taste kind of weird. I think they're meant to like.

• 1:33:32Speaker 06

  Do they coat?

• 1:33:33Speaker 01

  A little. I think they're meant to like cleanse your palate.

• 1:33:37Dax Shepard?

  Grambooye?

• 1:33:38Speaker 06

  Drambo.

• 1:33:39Speaker 01

  Grand Marnier.

• 1:33:39Dax Shepard?

  Drambooye is an aperitif.

• 1:33:41Speaker 01

  Drambooye?

• 1:33:42Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, people only drink it after their.

• 1:33:44Speaker 06

  Or Grand Marnier.

• 1:33:45Speaker 01

  Grand Marnier is something, but I don't know if that's aperitif. That's in like.

• 1:33:50Speaker 06

  You know, I carried Drambo when I was at the bar. I don't have a clue what it is.

• 1:33:54Dax Shepard?

  I, well, you've ever tasted it? You would never have it as a cocktail, or I would have never.

• 1:34:00Speaker 01

  How do you spell it?

• 1:34:01Dax Shepard?

  Sponsor, I'll be happy to.

• 1:34:02Speaker 06

  B R A M B U I, I think.

• 1:34:06Speaker 01

  Okay, liquor.

• 1:34:08Dax Shepard?

  Liquor.

• 1:34:09Speaker 01

  Golden color, forty percent ABV liquor, made from Scotch whiskey, heather, honey, herbs and spices.

• 1:34:17Dax Shepard?

  See, that's an aperitif for sure.

• 1:34:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, definitely.

• 1:34:21Dax Shepard?

  That's a dessert.

• 1:34:21Speaker 06

  No wonder I never.

• 1:34:22Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:23Speaker 06

  Served it or tried it.

• 1:34:25Dax Shepard?

  That makes me think you're declaring this is my last drink of the night, which I would never have done.

• 1:34:33Speaker 01

  It might have been, though, it might be like Grand Marnier where you like cook with it or something. I'm not seeing the word aperitif anywhere on this Wikipedia.

• 1:34:40Dax Shepard?

  Could you ask it when it's normally drank?

• 1:34:43Speaker 01

  It's a brand, wait.

• 1:34:45Dax Shepard?

  See, brandy's an after dinner drink for sure.

• 1:34:48Speaker 01

  Is not all, all after dinner drinks are not aperitifs, but all aperitifs are after dinner drinks.

• 1:34:55Speaker 06

  Are there different types of cigars that are for after dinner? Right, with your brandy?

• 1:35:03Dax Shepard?

  An aperitif translates directly into English as a pre dinner alcoholic drink, meant to stimulate appetite.

• 1:35:11Speaker 01

  Oh, that makes sense because aperitivo is pre dinner. That. But there's it, but no, sorry. So there's aperitifs and digestifs. And those are for after.

• 1:35:22Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so which one is Drambooye?

• 1:35:25Speaker 01

  It's neither.

• 1:35:26Speaker 05

  No, no, it says it's traditionally a digestif.

• 1:35:29Dax Shepard?

  Okay, traditionally a digestif. Yeah. Look, I've been at a million meals where people order that after.

• 1:35:35Speaker 06

  Drambooye.

• 1:35:35Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I think my father even would bang.

• 1:35:38Speaker 06

  That's funny, I had a bottle and I don't remember ever serving once in seven years.

• 1:35:42Dax Shepard?

  Of course, I eat that bar.

• 1:35:43Speaker 06

  No one came to that bar to have the last drink of the night or, yeah.

• 1:35:48Dax Shepard?

  No one had eaten.

• 1:35:49Speaker 06

  I would have punched him in the face if they asked me for a digestif.

• 1:35:52Dax Shepard?

  Get out of here. That we have that as a test.

• 1:35:55Speaker 01

  It's also used in classic cocktails, rusty nail.

• 1:35:58Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 1:35:59Dax Shepard?

  That was my dad's drink.

• 1:36:00Speaker 06

  Yes, it was.

• 1:36:01Speaker 01

  So that's just a cocktail, that's not a digestif. Then a Bobby Burns.

• 1:36:05Speaker 06

  That sounds good.

• 1:36:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, Bobby's are fun.

• 1:36:08Speaker 01

  That's Scotch sweet vermouth Drambooye. I can't even say it. That sounds so stupid. Yeah, and bitters.

• 1:36:16Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, Drambooye is really bumping for you, I can tell.

• 1:36:19Speaker 01

  It sounds like something, a word you completely made up.

• 1:36:22Dax Shepard?

  Sounds like baby talk.

• 1:36:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does.

• 1:36:24Dax Shepard?

  What do you want? My Drambooye. Your bu- your bu- your what? Your dark bottle?

• 1:36:30Dax Shepard?

  Dark blanket?

• 1:36:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, well.

• 1:36:35Dax Shepard?

  Oh, so it was a tremendous meal for you. What were the entrees? What did you?

• 1:36:39Speaker 01

  Oh my God, we had so much stuff because it's in Venice, notoriously very far away from my home, so.

• 1:36:47Dax Shepard?

  Time wise.

• 1:36:48Speaker 01

  Time wise, so you know.

• 1:36:49Dax Shepard?

  Far, nautically.

• 1:36:51Speaker 01

  That's true, yeah. But, so we are not gonna go that often, plus it's very hard to get in. So I don't, so we had to kind of get everything we wanted.

• 1:36:59Dax Shepard?

  Eat the whole menu because it's one and done, maybe.

• 1:37:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, so we got, we each got a hand roll, different ones. We each got, no, those were the eaches. And we got this like kind of fried chicken thing. It was so good.

• 1:37:15Dax Shepard?

  I love fried chicken.

• 1:37:15Speaker 01

  Wagyu skewers. Yes, a rice, what?

• 1:37:21Speaker 06

  Leftovers?

• 1:37:22Speaker 01

  I think there was a few leftovers that obviously just took home.

• 1:37:27Speaker 01

  There was a rice, like kind of a fried rice, but and it had sweet corn and it was delicious.

• 1:37:36Speaker 01

  We got, oh, we got a ramen. That was amazing. What else do we get? There were, I'm missing like a big section, I think. Lot of vegetables, an eggplant dish. A sweet potato dish, a something.

• 1:37:53Speaker 06

  You traditionally like eggplant?

• 1:37:55Speaker 01

  I do love eggplant.

• 1:37:56Dax Shepard?

  You like eggplant?

• 1:37:57Speaker 01

  I love eggplant parm. I mean.

• 1:38:00Dax Shepard?

  I think it's a big mush.

• 1:38:03Speaker 01

  Well, if you're just boiling it, yeah, but if you are creating a yummy eggplant dish, it's good.

• 1:38:08Speaker 06

  I think that sounds delicious.

• 1:38:12Dax Shepard?

  Mush surrounded by a skin you can't even chew.

• 1:38:14Speaker 06

  I like it in my Thai food.

• 1:38:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:38:18Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:38:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're, if you're just cooking it not willy nilly.

• 1:38:23Dax Shepard?

  Like an eggplant steak.

• 1:38:27Speaker 01

  If you're just boiling, it sounds like you're just boiling it.

• 1:38:30Dax Shepard?

  I've never prepared eggplant. I've just taken a bite of eggplant Parmesan.

• 1:38:35Speaker 01

  Oh, I love eggplant.

• 1:38:36Dax Shepard?

  It's mush with this ring around it. That's hard to chew.

• 1:38:41Speaker 06

  Probably prefer chicken parm, but.

• 1:38:43Dax Shepard?

  Well, yeah, that's my issue. When I've been next to people that order the eggplant parm, they're not vegetarian. I'm like, they have chicken parm. It's not like they don't have it.

• 1:38:52Speaker 01

  I had it at Little Dom's on Sunday, eggplant parm.

• 1:38:54Dax Shepard?

  Over chicken parm.

• 1:38:56Speaker 06

  I think I'd order both and eat.

• 1:38:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:59Dax Shepard?

  The eggplant on top of the chicken, maybe?

• 1:39:02Speaker 01

  Eggplant parm to me is almost more lasagna-ish than it is chicken parm.

• 1:39:08Dax Shepard?

  Hmm, okay, all right.

• 1:39:11Speaker 01

  Because it's often stacked, if it's done correctly.

• 1:39:15Dax Shepard?

  Speaking of leftovers, so you had a girl's only birthday party on Sunday.

• 1:39:21Speaker 01

  Really wasn't a birthday party. It was like a last minute. I was like, I want to play mahjong today. It's my birthday weekend. So I just kind of texted all the ladies I know. And I was like, does anyone want to come over for this?

• 1:39:33Dax Shepard?

  And then you catered it with all time, in that you got a bunch of takeout from all time.

• 1:39:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:38Dax Shepard?

  And so then Kristen brought one of the dishes back to our house.

• 1:39:41Speaker 01

  She did.

• 1:39:42Dax Shepard?

  And then I opened the fridge and I see, oh, is that an all time box? And then I go and it's that fucking rice with that insane sauce. And eggs. Erin, it's so, we have to figure out when we're going before you go out of town. And there was just a little half of it.

• 1:39:57Speaker 06

  Didn't we just go, yes?

• 1:39:58Dax Shepard?

  Well, that's why we went.

• 1:39:59Speaker 06

  Oh, okay.

• 1:39:59Dax Shepard?

  So then I went, and I'm like, oh my God, I wonder if there's more at Monica's house. So I text you, hey, is there any more? You didn't respond. So then I just went over there because I had, I was like rabid now. And Jess had just finished.

• 1:40:14Speaker 01

  It wasn't, to be fair, we didn't get into it. It wasn't him.

• 1:40:17Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:40:17Speaker 01

  He's like barely eating. It's a little stressful for me, but.

• 1:40:23Speaker 01

  It was a bunch, it was a big party.

• 1:40:26Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:27Speaker 01

  And most of the food was gone. I mean, Kristen took an entire thing, so I assumed for you.

• 1:40:32Dax Shepard?

  Uh, well, it was half gone when I dug into it.

• 1:40:35Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:40:36Dax Shepard?

  But then that got me a little crazy for all time. So then Erin and I went, and he had never been. And we had the most romantic dinner on the sidewalk, candlelit.

• 1:40:46Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:40:47Dax Shepard?

  And they do a steak for two, for lovers, really.

• 1:40:52Speaker 01

  We discussed the steak for two because Callie and I would always get the steak for two and we'd eat it all and everyone was surprised. Because it's a big old steak.

• 1:40:59Dax Shepard?

  Steak is easy to take down with two people. It's the sides that are impossible. We did not accomplish eating all the sides.

• 1:41:06Speaker 06

  Left three pounds of potatoes.

• 1:41:09Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:41:10Speaker 06

  A lot of it, yeah.

• 1:41:12Dax Shepard?

  The cauliflower, the peppers, we had ordered stupidly a side. I didn't even know that steak came with all that stuff. So I'd ordered the shrooms, the King Temple or something shrooms.

• 1:41:22Speaker 06

  I would love to do a double date with you and Kelly.

• 1:41:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:25Dax Shepard?

  We all.

• 1:41:27Speaker 06

  In between our tables is a puddle of oil from those dishes.

• 1:41:31Dax Shepard?

  Does that happen when you get it, Monica? Because we were outdoors, so it didn't matter terribly much, but it was just gushing fat off the side of it over the table and the whole sidewalk was stained where we were eating.

• 1:41:42Speaker 06

  Like I think they'd have to throw kitty litter on it.

• 1:41:45Dax Shepard?

  Absolutely.

• 1:41:46Speaker 01

  I've never noticed that before.

• 1:41:48Dax Shepard?

  Someone dumped their oil out of their engine.

• 1:41:53Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:41:54Dax Shepard?

  But it was still.

• 1:41:54Speaker 06

  Lushy.

• 1:41:55Speaker 01

  It's so good there. It's so good. Love it. I have a story.

• 1:41:59Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:42:00Speaker 01

  I was with my friend Sally. We were driving to Honor Bar in Beverly Hills. And we look over and do you know Coco? Coco is a robot.

• 1:42:13Speaker 06

  The gorilla. Okay.

• 1:42:15Speaker 01

  Coco is a robot that carries food. A delivery system and it's like a box and pretty low to the ground on wheels that travels across the city and drops off food.

• 1:42:27Dax Shepard?

  Cutest thing.

• 1:42:28Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:42:29Dax Shepard?

  Ever. It has a little smiley face on the front.

• 1:42:31Speaker 06

  And like headlights.

• 1:42:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, it has eyes. Now, I do think normally they have a um, flag. So it's like you can see.

• 1:42:40Dax Shepard?

  They started with flags when they came out seven years ago. The flags are gone. They've all been ripped off and broken.

• 1:42:48Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, because so we're at the stoplight. Yep, that's Coco. Oh, that one has a flag.

• 1:42:55Speaker 06

  They get themselves into a lot of trouble.

• 1:42:57Dax Shepard?

  They're rascally. I see them sometimes. I can't tell if they're playing or they're really stuck. They'll be going in a circle around a tree and I'm like, is it playing?

• 1:43:05Speaker 01

  It's uncomfortable. Um, and also Jess said that if it's at a stoplight, it asks people to press the button for it.

• 1:43:12Dax Shepard?

  Oh, really?

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  I've never experienced that.

• 1:43:15Dax Shepard?

  I would love to. I would.

• 1:43:17Speaker 01

  No, he might have seen that on TikTok or something. But anyway, so we look over and there's a car accident. A car hit Coco. And Coco was under, like kinda under. And and and then they were trying to put, they were so confused, obviously. And they're like trying to pull over, but it's like stuck under. By the way, lots of damage to the car.

• 1:43:42Dax Shepard?

  Oh, sure.

• 1:43:43Speaker 01

  So then Sally and I are screaming like we're like, like we've seen a kid get hit.

• 1:43:50Speaker 06

  I'd rather see a kid get hit.

• 1:43:51Dax Shepard?

  Sure, we all like a dog, a kid, a grandmother.

• 1:43:55Speaker 01

  No, Sally had the right. I was, I was like Coco, Coco. Screaming and she was like, that's bad. That's really bad. But she was saying, cause the car, like she was like, oh my God, that car is like serious.

• 1:44:10Dax Shepard?

  She cared about the car?

• 1:44:11Speaker 01

  No, this is where I'm going. Where I actually then after was like, oh my, I can't believe I felt like real feelings about that.

• 1:44:21Dax Shepard?

  Sure.

• 1:44:21Speaker 01

  Against a Mercedes.

• 1:44:24Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:24Speaker 01

  Ken of my car.

• 1:44:26Dax Shepard?

  Sure, sure, cousin.

• 1:44:27Speaker 01

  Yes. And it's like an kind of older couple and they're so confused and like the lady like opens the door to see. And I, and I imagine being that lady and you, you hit, like you're in the car, something's clearly horrible. You've hit something.

• 1:44:41Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you're dragging now.

• 1:44:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then you open it and you see it's Coco. And so first you're like relieved. Cause I'm sure you're like, I hit an animal or a person.

• 1:44:52Dax Shepard?

  On a bike.

• 1:44:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:44:53Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:53Speaker 01

  So first you're relieved and then you're so pissed. I mean, imagine how pissed you'd be if you hit a robot that was crossing the street and it damaged your car. And now you have to call, what, nine one one and be like, reporting an accident. The police come, Coco's there. Coco seems actually okay.

• 1:45:14Dax Shepard?

  Really?

• 1:45:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're sturdy.

• 1:45:17Dax Shepard?

  Wow.

• 1:45:17Speaker 01

  I know. Then I thought about the people not receiving their pizza.

• 1:45:21Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, the glass of wine that was inside.

• 1:45:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was probably me.

• 1:45:25Dax Shepard?

  You can order a glass of beer and Coco and it's just bouncing through the sidewalk.

• 1:45:33Speaker 01

  So it was traumatic. And then yesterday I was walking by um, in Venice, there was like a bunch of Cocos and they were all like in a line and we said it was for the service.

• 1:45:44Dax Shepard?

  Oh, that makes sense. Yeah.

• 1:45:46Speaker 06

  Of course it was.

• 1:45:47Dax Shepard?

  Now, I'm inclined to think that Coco was probably following the rules. I don't think they can break rules. So this woman probably didn't look in the crosswalk.

• 1:45:58Speaker 01

  It was a man driving, to be fair, but yes.

• 1:46:00Dax Shepard?

  Oh, I thought, why did I hear you say?

• 1:46:02Speaker 01

  The woman was in the passenger seat, so she opened it to see and was like, what the fuck?

• 1:46:06Dax Shepard?

  So they were probably chatting and they missed that Coco was in the crosswalk.

• 1:46:10Speaker 01

  I know, but I don't think, I really think it's very hard to see when you don't have the flag. So yes, obviously they turned on red.

• 1:46:19Dax Shepard?

  Drive out into traffic or go on uh, red lights on the crosswalk.

• 1:46:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it was crossing and they turned probably in front of Coco.

• 1:46:28Speaker 06

  Was it a SUV or a car?

• 1:46:31Dax Shepard?

  Monster truck?

• 1:46:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm wondering like.

• 1:46:33Dax Shepard?

  Tall.

• 1:46:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, if you're in a big SUV.

• 1:46:35Dax Shepard?

  Mercedes, was it a G-Wagon?

• 1:46:37Speaker 01

  It, it wasn't. It was a, I think it was a sedan. It was like my car.

• 1:46:42Speaker 06

  I believe in the human.

• 1:46:44Dax Shepard?

  I do too.

• 1:46:44Speaker 01

  But Aaron, if you now have to pay for damage to your car, like that is life ruining. If a robot pulls in front of you and is just dragging, like the car's just getting crumpled.

• 1:46:58Speaker 06

  Who owns Coco?

• 1:47:00Speaker 01

  Exactly. And then I thought this, I was like, okay, now whose, whose fault is it? And who should pay for what? And now this human has to pay?

• 1:47:09Dax Shepard?

  That's what's tricky is like, we can say almost for sure it was the people driving's fault. Cause again, they don't jump out into traffic. But Coco can't give a statement. Oh, I bet Coco has onboard video.

• 1:47:23Speaker 01

  They probably do.

• 1:47:24Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. So I bet when they call Coco's parents and say, you owe me so much money, Coco's parents.

• 1:47:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:31Dax Shepard?

  They're gonna go, well, let's review the tape. And they're gonna go, Coco had the, the, the crosswalk was inviting Coco to go into it. It's your obligation to see if anything's in the crosswalk before you turn right on red. And they're gonna say, go fuck yourself.

• 1:47:44Speaker 01

  They're gonna say, we couldn't see her.

• 1:47:46Dax Shepard?

  And then they're gonna have to call their insurance company and their insurance company's gonna pay for it and then their premiums are gonna go.

• 1:47:51Speaker 01

  This is horrible.

• 1:47:52Speaker 06

  I hate to think of Coco getting reprimanded for this.

• 1:47:55Speaker 01

  No, Coco needs, no. If you're gonna walk out and even if you're walking out, you still have to be careful.

• 1:48:03Dax Shepard?

  Coco is extremely careful. This is why sometimes you see them stuck at a tree.

• 1:48:06Speaker 01

  No, they're not careful. They're just like.

• 1:48:09Dax Shepard?

  Oh, the other funny thing about Coco.

• 1:48:10Speaker 01

  Learning disabilities.

• 1:48:11Dax Shepard?

  Just to tell people, Coco goes so fast sometimes. Have you ever seen Coco haul ass?

• 1:48:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:17Dax Shepard?

  Oh, it's so funny. Have you seen it?

• 1:48:19Speaker 06

  I have, yeah.

• 1:48:20Dax Shepard?

  Cause they're so um, goes scared all the time. And they go so slow most of the time, but when they get some wide open sidewalk, they fucking, they punch it.

• 1:48:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:48:29Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. That's why I think they're a little rascally.

• 1:48:31Speaker 01

  They go slow and they're around people and stuff. They have sensors, obviously. Whatever. I just, I, I couldn't believe my reaction. I could not believe.

• 1:48:40Dax Shepard?

  That's the right reaction.

• 1:48:41Speaker 01

  No, I don't know. I'm trying not to. We shouldn't have too many feelings around these robots. It's getting people. Some girl died.

• 1:48:50Dax Shepard?

  Well.

• 1:48:50Speaker 01

  She did. She died talking to her chat.

• 1:48:53Dax Shepard?

  Oh, what?

• 1:48:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, she did. Um, she, she did. She had mental health issues.

• 1:48:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:00Speaker 01

  She was struggling and she was talking to chat and something or an AI. She was talking to an AI.

• 1:49:06Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:06Speaker 01

  And I didn't finish reading it. Okay. But basically I don't think we need to have two. I think we need to, this is how I feel about animals. Okay. It's the same thing where I'm like, we still have to prioritize humans above.

• 1:49:20Dax Shepard?

  It's hard.

• 1:49:20Speaker 01

  And I'm gonna say humans, animals. I'm gonna give you guys this. Humans, animals, robots, in that order.

• 1:49:28Dax Shepard?

  But there are some exceptions. Like you have to, okay.

• 1:49:34Dax Shepard?

  A silverback, of which there are very limited number versus one of the eight and a half billion people on the planet.

• 1:49:43Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:49:43Dax Shepard?

  If there's a button I have to hit,

• 1:49:47Dax Shepard?

  that's a tough call.

• 1:49:48Speaker 06

  Does it matter what person it is?

• 1:49:50Dax Shepard?

  I won't know who it is. This is like um, that, that interesting. There was a great, what was the old spooky show from the sixties and seventies? Twilight Zone. There was a Twilight Zone with this guy. Someone comes to his house, basically says, for X amount of money, you hit this button, somebody on the planet who you've never met will die. And then, you know, through the course of the episode, he agrees to do it.

• 1:50:15Speaker 01

  They get?

• 1:50:15Dax Shepard?

  Money, a ton of money.

• 1:50:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:50:17Dax Shepard?

  He hits the button and then he says to the person, what happens now? And they go, we take it to someone on the planet that you've never met or whatever. Basically what you realize is someone, you're next. Whoever hits the button now kills you. Pretty good twist.

• 1:50:32Speaker 01

  I hate.

• 1:50:33Dax Shepard?

  It's similar to that.

• 1:50:34Speaker 01

  Pressing that button. I would never press that button.

• 1:50:37Dax Shepard?

  Over a silverback.

• 1:50:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm for humans.

• 1:50:41Dax Shepard?

  Be willing, if I didn't have children, I might sacrifice myself for a silverback.

• 1:50:45Speaker 01

  Sacrifice yourself all you want, but killing? For Coco. No.

• 1:50:51Dax Shepard?

  What if I, what if I dove out of the, like I dove and pushed Coco out of the way right before he got hit and I got hit by a car, saving Coco's life?

• 1:50:59Speaker 06

  He'd be a hero in my eyes. I'd forgive you a police, military send off.

• 1:51:04Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I hope this city would have like a big presentation for me.

• 1:51:08Speaker 01

  I miss, I mean, and like I miss her. I'm sorry that happened to her. I wonder what happened to those elderly.

• 1:51:15Dax Shepard?

  So you think it's a her, right?

• 1:51:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, that one was. They're different.

• 1:51:19Dax Shepard?

  Okay. Cause I most often think it's a little boy.

• 1:51:23Speaker 06

  Oh, I think of it as a her.

• 1:51:24Speaker 01

  You do? Yeah.

• 1:51:25Dax Shepard?

  Interesting. Yeah.

• 1:51:26Speaker 01

  They have names.

• 1:51:28Dax Shepard?

  They do?

• 1:51:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, their names are printed on the side so you can tell. See, it's just funny with that. It's trying to, oh, it's so bad. It's so bad. I hate Coco, but I love her.

• 1:51:44Dax Shepard?

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• 1:52:28Dax Shepard?

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• 1:52:33Speaker 01

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• 1:52:45Dax Shepard?

  What's the difference?

• 1:52:46Speaker 01

  Why is she so cute?

• 1:52:47Dax Shepard?

  Like, you're fine with me loving Gadot, right?

• 1:52:49Speaker 01

  Core.

• 1:52:50Dax Shepard?

  But Monica, what's the, is there a huge difference between? Like, here's why I love Gadot. I look at him and he's always in a, he's in the best mood.

• 1:53:01Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:53:01Dax Shepard?

  And I know he has challenges. He has a lot of challenges with the respiratory system.

• 1:53:06Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:53:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. And I look at him, I'm like, come in, despite all things, he's always got the sweetest smile on his face and I love him a lot.

• 1:53:16Speaker 01

  I know, but that's different.

• 1:53:18Dax Shepard?

  If there was a gorilla or Gadot, watch out. I don't know what to do.

• 1:53:23Speaker 06

  Gorilla.

• 1:53:23Dax Shepard?

  So it goes Gadot, gorilla, humans.

• 1:53:29Speaker 01

  Oh, um, Gadot though is connected to Delta. That's the real reason. If you just saw a Gadot on the street, you'd be like, oh my God, look at that cute stuffy.

• 1:53:39Dax Shepard?

  Right, it's my grandson. It's my grandson, it's her child.

• 1:53:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, so that's obviously different.

• 1:53:44Dax Shepard?

  Also, he's so cute, like a Coco is.

• 1:53:46Speaker 01

  I know, but let's say, okay, let's say you're driving and you're turning right on red. No one's there, right? And all of a sudden you, you squish over something and then you look and there's a Gadot on the, on the ground that someone threw, someone threw a Gadot, not, not Delta's Gadot.

• 1:54:06Dax Shepard?

  I think any Gadot, you know, that's when they say like, when you have a kid, all children, you know?

• 1:54:12Speaker 01

  Clearly not, because you're willing to kill a human and a human.

• 1:54:15Dax Shepard?

  An adult.

• 1:54:16Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:54:16Dax Shepard?

  An old adult.

• 1:54:17Speaker 01

  An adult is someone's kid.

• 1:54:19Dax Shepard?

  Not anymore, they're, this is old enough that their parent died.

• 1:54:22Speaker 01

  Whether your children are old, they don't, they don't qualify.

• 1:54:26Dax Shepard?

  If I'm dead, yeah.

• 1:54:27Speaker 01

  No, none of this is helpful. Okay, so someone throws a stuffy.

• 1:54:31Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:32Speaker 01

  It gets caught and it, somehow that stuffy has metal in it too. And it's like ruining the car, right? No, that sucks for the people driving.

• 1:54:41Dax Shepard?

  No, but you've made it that.

• 1:54:42Speaker 01

  Even though he's cute.

• 1:54:42Dax Shepard?

  But someone threw it, so now I'm mad at whoever chucked, whoever treated Gadot that way.

• 1:54:47Speaker 01

  Okay, Gadot has the mechanism.

• 1:54:49Dax Shepard?

  And they fucked up my car, they got a real problem on their hands now.

• 1:54:51Speaker 01

  Exactly. Okay, I think if you, if this happened to you, you would be very upset that your car was hurt.

• 1:54:58Speaker 06

  I hope they televise this court case.

• 1:55:00Speaker 01

  I know. I agree.

• 1:55:02Dax Shepard?

  Your mom will be all over it.

• 1:55:03Speaker 01

  She will be, she really will be. It was wild to see, it was wild.

• 1:55:08Dax Shepard?

  When you were telling the story of seeing the car, it made me think of yesterday, Aaron and I were recording Mom's Car and we're driving around and, um, again, there's so much going on when we do Mom's Car. We're delivering food, in this case, we had three different orders. We have two guests in the backseat.

• 1:55:25Speaker 06

  There's a lot.

• 1:55:25Dax Shepard?

  I'm driving, there's cameras everywhere.

• 1:55:27Speaker 06

  First episode.

• 1:55:28Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, first episode, we have things we gotta say now. And, uh, I spot a guy who's opening his door of his truck while he's driving.

• 1:55:38Dax Shepard?

  And forget, do you, do you know how long we were with that guy? Like, had you clocked it as soon as I? We were with that guy for like, I didn't hear anything anyone said for like eight minutes. All I was like, when's he gonna open his door again? We were behind this truck, Monica, and the guy was opening his door all the time while he was driving. I'm like, what's going on? Is he gonna barrel roll up the side? Finally, I said something, I'm like, gang, we got a guy that's opened his door and everything. Then we pulled up next to him at the traffic light. And then I felt a little bad. It seems, our theory, our current theory was his air conditioning wasn't working and his power windows were broken. And it was so brutally hot yesterday. So he had to be fanning the door while he drove.

• 1:56:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, and he had what seemed to be his wife or girlfriend.

• 1:56:18Dax Shepard?

  Looked like a girlfriend.

• 1:56:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, um, girlfriend, definitely. How embarrassing for him.

• 1:56:25Dax Shepard?

  I know.

• 1:56:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:56:25Dax Shepard?

  We felt really bad. It's also my mom's birthday, on a positive note. Happy birthday, Laura.

• 1:56:31Speaker 01

  Happy birthday. So many birthdays.

• 1:56:35Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it's heavy. It's a heavy, heavy week. I was just saying it this morning.

• 1:56:39Speaker 01

  I know, it kinda sucks.

• 1:56:41Dax Shepard?

  We got Carly.

• 1:56:42Speaker 01

  You say your birthday's bad, but I think my birthday's bad because everyone has it. And then like.

• 1:56:47Speaker 06

  Not as special.

• 1:56:48Speaker 01

  It's not, like, you're like saying happy birthday to everyone.

• 1:56:52Dax Shepard?

  I got Carly, Grammy Yolas, rest in peace, then you, then my mom, then Jess, then, there's like eight birthdays that I know of in the 10 day stretch. It's impacted. The, the only other one is that's as impacted as I'd say Aaron's birthday. Five people in that window of July 1st to July 8th.

• 1:57:14Speaker 06

  July is Ryan Hansen, I know.

• 1:57:16Dax Shepard?

  And you, I'm forgetting so Anna, um, forgetting some, but there's a lot.

• 1:57:22Speaker 06

  Aaron Tyrell's son shares a J2C.

• 1:57:25Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:57:26Speaker 06

  He actually, um, I saw him recently, uh, came over my house. He took care of the dogs for a couple of days and he said, uh, it was right before the birthday. And I was like, happy birthday. Uh, he goes, you think it would be cool if I got a tattoo?

• 1:57:43Dax Shepard?

  What, how is he 15 or 14?

• 1:57:45Speaker 06

  He's 16.

• 1:57:46Dax Shepard?

  16. What'd you say? No, tattoos are not good.

• 1:57:49Speaker 06

  Technically, there's only two people in this, uh, club.

• 1:57:54Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:57:55Speaker 06

  You do what you want.

• 1:57:59Speaker 01

  That's cute that he wants it. Um, okay, I have a question I'll ask both of you and then we need to do facts. How often are you changing out your towel after a shower? You know, you shower, use your towel. How often are you then putting that in the laundry and getting a new one?

• 1:58:15Speaker 06

  Well, once a week.

• 1:58:19Speaker 06

  That doesn't happen because of me.

• 1:58:22Speaker 01

  Okay, that's fair.

• 1:58:24Speaker 06

  Um, once a week, Ruthie does a whole gathering of floor ma, you know, the whole thing. If it were.

• 1:58:31Speaker 01

  Just you.

• 1:58:31Speaker 06

  Just me, it, I'm always, I always think it's still good.

• 1:58:37Speaker 01

  You think it's clean.

• 1:58:38Dax Shepard?

  Cause you're clean. You just cleaned yourself.

• 1:58:41Speaker 01

  It's water, it's like you got that, that mold and mildew.

• 1:58:44Dax Shepard?

  If you hang it in a place that dries quickly, I, I would definitely go five showers on a towel.

• 1:58:52Speaker 01

  Okay, for like a week.

• 1:58:54Dax Shepard?

  And then the bad news is, you know, we were just talking about this yesterday. I don't.

• 1:59:01Speaker 01

  Shower a ton for people who didn't hear that.

• 1:59:02Dax Shepard?

  I sauna and then I cold plunge and then I get in the hot tub and I'm like, what are we doing? I'm gonna go get more water on me, you know? And then I don't smell and I only wash my hair once a week because it's, I have such dry hair.

• 1:59:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:14Dax Shepard?

  So because I would only wash it once every probably five or six showers, that might be six months worth.

• 1:59:24Speaker 06

  Six months. Now I'm thinking, I think mine is changed twice a week now that I think of it.

• 1:59:31Speaker 01

  Okay, that's nice.

• 1:59:32Speaker 06

  And my showers are a little more frequent.

• 1:59:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:36Speaker 06

  Than that.

• 1:59:38Dax Shepard?

  I don't.

• 1:59:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, but they're like, probably every other day. Sometimes it's every day when I'm.

• 1:59:45Speaker 01

  You guys aren't showering every day.

• 1:59:46Dax Shepard?

  No. And you know what's funny? I was thinking about it this morning, weirdly enough. I don't mind when I'm in the shower, but the thought of the shower, I hate.

• 1:59:55Speaker 06

  So hard.

• 1:59:56Dax Shepard?

  I'm like, fuck, I have so much to do. I don't wanna go get wet and then put on new deodorant and then put my moisturizer on and all.

• 2:00:04Speaker 01

  Everyone feels this way. Everyone, it's, it's a time suck, but.

• 2:00:07Dax Shepard?

  Do you think everyone feels that way? I know a lot of people that love taking showers and baths.

• 2:00:12Speaker 06

  And do it multiple times a day.

• 2:00:13Dax Shepard?

  A couple of times a day, like those people clearly love showering.

• 2:00:16Speaker 01

  No, I often shower twice a day and I do not like it. It is a huge pain. You're rushing, you have to get, cause you're going to work and it's a hu, it's a mess. But you do it for the, you're not doing it for the enjoyment of the shower. The bath is different. I like a bath, I did two baths this weekend.

• 2:00:34Dax Shepard?

  There you go.

• 2:00:35Speaker 01

  At night.

• 2:00:35Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:36Speaker 01

  As opposed, as a relaxation, you put the bubbles and you put the powders in.

• 2:00:42Speaker 06

  Candles?

• 2:00:43Speaker 01

  And a candle, I do a candle and I, and the lights are dim and you listen to music.

• 2:00:48Dax Shepard?

  Saxophone music.

• 2:00:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love it. But that's not for cleanliness, I shower after that.

• 2:00:54Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:00:55Speaker 01

  I don't think I'm clean, I think I'm even more dirty because I'm in my stew, you know, and sweaty.

• 2:01:01Dax Shepard?

  We can just back up for half a second and start with the fact that humans didn't shower for 300,000 years. And then, we didn't even have indoor plumbing until the 1900s. So we're talking, we're looking at the people who have been showering for like 120 years. So this notion that we have to shower every day is comical.

• 2:01:20Speaker 01

  We don't have to brush our teeth either, but gross.

• 2:01:22Dax Shepard?

  Well, but we've added something that makes that necessary, which is we didn't have refined sugar. So now we have to brush our teeth or our teeth will fall out of our mouth.

• 2:01:29Speaker 01

  Well, the peoples in, back in the George Washington days.

• 2:01:32Dax Shepard?

  They were getting dirtier. They had, they lived in a dirtier world than us by far.

• 2:01:36Speaker 01

  What? I'm saying they didn't brush their teeth and it was disgusting.

• 2:01:41Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I'm all about brushing your teeth. I'm just saying, the reason we have to brush our teeth is because we now eat sugar. We were designed to not have to brush our teeth and we didn't brush our teeth for 300,000 years. But now we eat a ton of sugar, so now we have to. But nothing has changed in our life that would require us to all of a sudden have, need showers every single day. Our environment's only gotten cleaner and cleaner and cleaner. We don't interact with dirt, you know, we walk on cement to a indoor house with the carpets that you wipe your feet on, you know, you, we wear shoes and clothes. So it's like, we've gotten in an increasingly cleaner world and we've showered more and more and more. So I'm just pointing out that, for anyone who's like, oh gross, fine, but also, this is insane that we do what we do. It's unnecessary, that's what I'm saying.

• 2:02:25Speaker 06

  I've never smelled you.

• 2:02:26Dax Shepard?

  Thank you.

• 2:02:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:02:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. If I smell even a hint of smell, I'm bolting right to the shower, you know? I don't wanna fuck with that. And again, I've told this too, if I didn't have a bidet, I would shower a lot.

• 2:02:38Speaker 01

  Well, that's, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 2:02:39Dax Shepard?

  But I clean my butthole with water every day. So I don't, again, my butthole's really clean and then.

• 2:02:45Speaker 01

  You're not worried about adding soap? You don't wanna add soap to that mix?

• 2:02:48Dax Shepard?

  No, I won't get into the whole thing about soap. No, I don't think I need to add soap to the mix to get my butthole clean.

• 2:02:54Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:02:55Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:55Speaker 01

  Well, great.

• 2:02:56Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:57Speaker 06

  Finger?

• 2:02:58Dax Shepard?

  Well, sure.

• 2:02:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:00Dax Shepard?

  That's what mother nature intended.

• 2:03:02Speaker 06

  Right.

• 2:03:03Dax Shepard?

  It used to be in the old days, your bath was you jumped in a lake and then you rubbed your butthole with your finger underwater and you rubbed your balls and your penis and that was your fucking, that's how you kept yourself clean.

• 2:03:14Speaker 01

  I'm glad I didn't live then.

• 2:03:15Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, me too. I prefer to live now.

• 2:03:17Speaker 01

  Um, all right, some facts for gal.

• 2:03:21Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:22Speaker 01

  Good dot. She said good dot.

• 2:03:25Dax Shepard?

  I think it's good dot.

• 2:03:26Speaker 01

  And I've been saying good dough this whole time. Okay, how tall is Emma? You said, we said 5'10", you're like, I think she might be six feet. She's six feet, one and a half inches. She's almost 6'2".

• 2:03:40Dax Shepard?

  She was wearing heels and she was, we were looking eye to eye.

• 2:03:43Speaker 01

  She is a tall one.

• 2:03:45Dax Shepard?

  She is.

• 2:03:46Speaker 01

  Tall gal.

• 2:03:46Dax Shepard?

  Tall gal, good oh.

• 2:03:47Speaker 01

  Ding ding ding. Um, is Ambien twice as powerful on women as men? Women process the drug much slower, leading to blood concentration levels that are up to 50% higher. Female bodies clear. Zolpidem, the active ingredient in Ambien, about thirty-five percent to fifty percent slower than male bodies. Higher levels of the medication can remain in a woman's bloodstream and the next morning, causing next day drowsiness and a higher risk of morning accidents.

• 2:04:15Dax Shepard?

  Hmm, and trips to 7-Eleven.

• 2:04:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, gotta be careful. Reminder of where Tom Cruise's cake is from. Doan's Bakery, D-O-A-N, in Woodland Hills, California. Holiday cake.

• 2:04:31Speaker 06

  Speaking of, where was-

• 2:04:33Dax Shepard?

  That word sounds Persian.

• 2:04:34Speaker 06

  You didn't mention your cake last night. It looks so good.

• 2:04:38Speaker 01

  Thank you. It was from a few nights ago, actually, because I was celebrated a few times, which was very kind. But yes, there was a cake from this place called Chariot LA. And they, they took my astrology. They took my birthday, my moon and sun and rising. And they created a one of one cake.

• 2:05:05Speaker 06

  Mermaid.

• 2:05:05Speaker 01

  And it was so good. And it looked like a mermaid cake. And it had a lot going on. And at first I truthfully was like, oh, this is probably not going to taste very good. There's so much going on. Yeah. Vanilla rose chiffon, a yuzu curd, fresh plums. Exactly.

• 2:05:22Speaker 06

  Dressing.

• 2:05:24Speaker 01

  I was a little worried.

• 2:05:25Dax Shepard?

  And aperitif.

• 2:05:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it was so good. It was so good, shockingly so, and, um, and moist. And I'm back to saying that. I'm done putting that on the shelf.

• 2:05:40Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:05:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I highly recommend Chariot LA. If you want a yummy cake and if you, especially if you have someone who likes astrology.

• 2:05:47Speaker 06

  You don't get a moist cake too often.

• 2:05:50Speaker 01

  You don't. It's hard to find.

• 2:05:52Dax Shepard?

  They dry up on you.

• 2:05:53Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:05:53Speaker 01

  They really do.

• 2:05:54Dax Shepard?

  If you want moisture, go with eggplant. It's a mush. It's a wet, wet mush.

• 2:05:58Speaker 06

  There's too much.

• 2:05:58Dax Shepard?

  Covered in a skin.

• 2:06:01Speaker 01

  Okay, is the goal, I mean, what is the Golden Gate Bridge in Lisbon called? Um, it's called the Twenty-Five Day Abril Bridge, which is April the Twenty-Fifth Bridge. I just did that.

• 2:06:16Dax Shepard?

  Really nice.

• 2:06:17Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:06:18Dax Shepard?

  April tea.

• 2:06:19Speaker 01

  I took a lot. I took a lot of Spanish. Although this is probably Portuguese, but. A striking red suspension bridge across the Tagus River. Tagus? There it is.

• 2:06:28Dax Shepard?

  There she is.

• 2:06:29Speaker 06

  Oh, hello.

• 2:06:30Speaker 01

  Okay, this, does America have a garlic whopper? No. Nope. While countries like South Korea and international regions have featured dedicated garlic infused whoppers, and Israel, obviously, according to Gal, the US menu has only seen garlic flavors appear as temporary or regional items, such as a limited time garlic aioli pairing, or recent themed items like Rogus garlic chicken fries, rather than a standard garlic whopper. We can't get that here, sadly, but it's okay, because we get the chicken sandwich instead.

• 2:07:05Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm. We would get that anyway.

• 2:07:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. Okay, what is eighty thousand shekels in US dollars? Twenty-six thousand dollars, eight hundred and fifty-three.

• 2:07:13Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:07:14Speaker 01

  Twenty-six thousand, eight hundred and fifty-three dollars. Who won Miss Universe the Year? Gal was in it, which was 2004. She was right, Miss Australia, Jennifer Hawkins.

• 2:07:25Dax Shepard?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:07:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. How expensive is La Mer Lipon? Eighty-five dollars.

• 2:07:32Dax Shepard?

  Hmm, yeah, but best eighty-five dollars she ever spent.

• 2:07:36Speaker 01

  It really bought her a whole, like, a whole career.

• 2:07:39Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 2:07:40Speaker 01

  Now-

• 2:07:41Dax Shepard?

  Tens of millions of dollars. She was on the Forbes list several times.

• 2:07:44Speaker 01

  Oh, we love that. Love that for her.

• 2:07:46Dax Shepard?

  Highest paid actor.

• 2:07:48Speaker 01

  Now, this movie, The Runner, which isn't out yet, which is why Rob couldn't find the song, the Blondie song, because if you type it in, like, that doesn't come up. But I wonder if I say it, will you know it? Or no?

• 2:08:01Dax Shepard?

  You'd probably have to do, I'd have to, you won't sing it, so I would have to-

• 2:08:06Speaker 01

  Right, because I don't know them.

• 2:08:07Dax Shepard?

  Okay, say the name.

• 2:08:08Speaker 01

  Dreaming?

• 2:08:10Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, see, I don't think I'm gonna know the title of this.

• 2:08:12Speaker 06

  Dreaming, dreaming is free.

• 2:08:16Speaker 01

  Aaron knows it. Is that the song?

• 2:08:18Dax Shepard?

  That's not the one.

• 2:08:19Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:08:21Speaker 01

  Um, Call Me, do you want to sing Call Me?

• 2:08:23Speaker 06

  Call me, my love, call me, call me.

• 2:08:29Speaker 01

  Um, those are the only two.

• 2:08:32Dax Shepard?

  All right, I'll just quickly tell you the song.

• 2:08:33Speaker 05

  Probably a deep cut.

• 2:08:34Dax Shepard?

  Won't be here. No, it's not at all. It's one of the biggest songs, but they're popular. One way or another.

• 2:08:42Speaker 01

  Rapture.

• 2:08:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. I bet it's rapture. That sounds right. Oh, maybe.

• 2:08:48Speaker 01

  Heart of Glass.

• 2:08:49Dax Shepard?

  Oh, no, this is it.

• 2:08:49Speaker 06

  That's Heart of Glass.

• 2:08:51Speaker 01

  Is it Heart of Glass?

• 2:08:52Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:52Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:08:54Speaker 01

  Oh, this is popular.

• 2:08:57Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, what a great song to jog to.

• 2:08:59Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:09:00Dax Shepard?

  One on a-

• 2:09:00Speaker 01

  Oh, great song.

• 2:09:03Dax Shepard?

  Ba na na, the heart of glass.

• 2:09:05Speaker 01

  Nineteen seventy-eight, and it still holds up.

• 2:09:08Dax Shepard?

  Oh, man.

• 2:09:11Speaker 06

  Blondie still holds up. She's eighty, I think. She-

• 2:09:15Dax Shepard?

  She's still sexy.

• 2:09:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, and still performing.

• 2:09:18Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:19Speaker 01

  Who is it?

• 2:09:20Speaker 06

  Debbie Harry.

• 2:09:21Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:09:22Dax Shepard?

  Not falling asleep on stage. I didn't name the person, but I did tell our guest today that you had recently gone to a concert with a legend and that they were asleep at considerable amount of the performance and that you thought maybe they passed.

• 2:09:32Speaker 06

  Scary.

• 2:09:34Speaker 01

  Who was it?

• 2:09:34Speaker 06

  It's the scariest concert I've ever been to.

• 2:09:37Speaker 01

  Oh, no, yeah.

• 2:09:38Speaker 06

  Um, yeah. It was like, oh, yikes.

• 2:09:45Dax Shepard?

  How old is that person?

• 2:09:46Speaker 06

  I think he's ninety-three.

• 2:09:47Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. Well, then that tracks.

• 2:09:51Speaker 06

  Everyone was saying around me. I didn't look it up, but I just, it seemed that most people knew that the answer to that.

• 2:09:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, Debbie Harry's original name is Angela Trimble.

• 2:10:02Speaker 06

  What the hell?

• 2:10:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:04Dax Shepard?

  Well, I don't like any of the music now.

• 2:10:06Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:10:08Speaker 01

  Debbie Harry is a better name for Blondie. Okay, well, let's-

• 2:10:14Dax Shepard?

  Sounds like that's all the facts?

• 2:10:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, got them all. Well, I looked up Krav Maga, but she did a good job explaining it.

• 2:10:19Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:10:20Speaker 01

  So, we don't need to do that.

• 2:10:22Dax Shepard?

  Ah, all right.

• 2:10:23Speaker 01

  Well, well, well.

• 2:10:24Dax Shepard?

  Happy birthday, Laura. I love you guys.

• 2:10:27Speaker 01

  Love you. Bye.