Scott Eastwood

Scott Eastwood (Lucky Strike, Fury, Fast X) is an actor, producer, and entrepreneur. Scott joins Armchair Expert to discuss growing up between Carmel-by-the-Sea and Hawaii, getting expelled after raiding a pot farm, and bar-backing his way through college. Scott and Dax talk about swearing off war movies before Lucky Strike pulled him back in, nearly coming to blows with Shia LaBeouf on Fury, and defying his agents to star in Taylor Swift’s “Wildest Dreams” video. Scott explains why fame is more burden than prize, how film sets can force grief into a holding pattern, and why you should say what you feel before time runs out. Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://www.allstate.com/ Take printer ink off your back to school list with HP Smart Tank | hp.com/SmartTank See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Dax Shepard?

  Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dax Shepard and I'm joined by Monica Padman.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  Hi.

• 0:05Dax Shepard?

  Hi. Uh, we have a handsome actor alert. Big time handsome.

• 0:09Speaker 01

  I love handsome actors.

• 0:11Dax Shepard?

  Scott Eastwood. Oh, is he handsome? Scott Eastwood is an actor. Oh, and he hates being, I'm, I already, I forgot the lesson I learned in the interview.

• 0:19Speaker 01

  He doesn't like being called handsome.

• 0:21Dax Shepard?

  No one does too. And I already knew that.

• 0:22Speaker 01

  Being called handsome?

• 0:24Dax Shepard?

  Just what do you do with that? Anyways, I know what I would do with it. Uh, his credits include The Longest Ride, Regretting You, Wrath of Man, Gran Torino, Fury, and his new movie out now, Lucky Strike. Please enjoy Scott Eastwood. We get support from Quince.

• 0:42Speaker 01

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• 0:51Dax Shepard?

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• 1:14Speaker 01

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• 1:31Dax Shepard?

  The 100% Mongolian cashmere sweaters for me are it. When I look at Steve McQueen, this man owned a couple of sweaters he wore all the time and he looks iconic.

• 1:41Speaker 01

  It's a uniform.

• 1:42Dax Shepard?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:42Speaker 01

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• 2:58Dax Shepard?

  We haven't met before, have we? No, no, no. Hi, Monica. Monica. Nice to meet you. I'd remember meeting a man as handsome as you. It would see her in.

• 3:05Speaker 02

  How are you guys doing?

• 3:07Dax Shepard?

  Just fresh from the dentist.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 3:10Dax Shepard?

  My teeth were jagged at the bottom. I didn't really even think about it, but my man pointed it out. He's like, you know, I could make that smooth. And I was like, yeah, I felt like I got upsold a little bit.

• 3:21Speaker 02

  Do you grind? Is that why?

• 3:23Dax Shepard?

  I mean, truthfully, I think when I've been in fights, I bite my fuck in front of my teeth. There's a few events in my life where I'll bite the front of my teeth. And I think I just chipped off the ends.

• 3:31Speaker 02

  You know, they say if you're grinding and you're not sleeping during the full moons, you probably have some sort of parasite. Like worms.

• 3:39Dax Shepard?

  Whoa, whoa, whoa.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Worms?

• 3:40Dax Shepard?

  Walk me through that. Wait, if you're not sleeping during a full moon.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  During the full moon.

• 3:44Dax Shepard?

  And you grind your teeth.

• 3:46Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 3:46Dax Shepard?

  Why are the parasites responding to the full moon?

• 3:50Speaker 02

  You know, I don't know, but I do know that that's a thing and they've been talking about it since the dawn of time.

• 3:55Dax Shepard?

  Really?

• 3:55Speaker 02

  Native Americans have had that. They've known about that. Every sort of ancient culture has been talking about parasitic stuff during the full moon.

• 4:03Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wow.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think we chalk up a lot now to like, oh, that's woo woo.

• 4:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 4:09Speaker 02

  But it's a thing.

• 4:09Dax Shepard?

  It sounds adjacent to astrology for sure.

• 4:12Speaker 02

  It's definitely, but then you talk to like doctors who, you know, are pretty intelligent. They're like, oh yeah, if you're grinding and you have trouble sleeping during a full moon, like check your gut.

• 4:21Dax Shepard?

  Have you had a parasite?

• 4:23Speaker 02

  I have.

• 4:23Dax Shepard?

  There we go. Yeah. There we go. It feels personal. Yeah.

• 4:27Speaker 02

  It is. It's probably still ongoing. I've had H. pylori multiple times.

• 4:31Dax Shepard?

  It's called H. pylori?

• 4:33Speaker 02

  H. pylori.

• 4:33Dax Shepard?

  And tell me about H. pylori.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  H. pylori is a bacteria in your gut.

• 4:37Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  A lot of people have it. They say one in four people have it.

• 4:40Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  Then I've also had like some sort of version of worms.

• 4:43Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:44Dax Shepard?

  From traveling?

• 4:45Speaker 02

  Traveling.

• 4:46Dax Shepard?

  Do you know where you got the worms?

• 4:48Speaker 02

  I don't know where I got it. No.

• 4:50Dax Shepard?

  How did you figure that out?

• 4:51Speaker 02

  I've struggled with gut issues through the years. I mean, because of all the traveling, when I was, you know, much younger, I was traveling all the time for surfing.

• 5:00Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 5:00Speaker 02

  So I would go to like Indonesia.

• 5:02Dax Shepard?

  As a hobby or you were like competing?

• 5:04Speaker 02

  No, as a hobby.

• 5:05Dax Shepard?

  From what age?

• 5:06Speaker 02

  I started surfing when I was like 10, 11.

• 5:09Dax Shepard?

  Oh, you were in Hawaii at that point, right? You were in two areas that you could have really.

• 5:12Speaker 01

  You're gonna pick up some bacteria in those waters.

• 5:15Dax Shepard?

  We just interviewed someone.

• 5:17Speaker 01

  Yes. Oh.

• 5:19Dax Shepard?

  Who was in Bali.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:22Dax Shepard?

  On a trip. They got some kind of, not an official tour guide. And this gentleman was like, let me take you ladies to this incredible, you know about the such and such? And it's all these natural water slides that have eroded out of the volcanic, it was very cool sounding. And then pools of water and it's great. So they do this. They have a great time. She had also had an incredible sunburn. So she missed the rash phase. Most people would have recognized they got a crazy rash right afterwards, but she didn't because of all this sunburn. And then what was it like five?

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Like six years later.

• 5:51Dax Shepard?

  Six years later.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  Staff?

• 5:53Dax Shepard?

  It had been, no, it was, it was some kind of wormy.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  Parasite that had just been in there for six years. And it had gotten like really debilitating. She couldn't move as they figured it out.

• 6:05Dax Shepard?

  Totally fatigued. Yeah, yeah. No energy. And then they're like, oh yeah, you've had this thing for six years.

• 6:09Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 6:10Dax Shepard?

  What actually got you to go to a doctor and go like, something's fucked up.

• 6:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, just irregular. I mean.

• 6:16Dax Shepard?

  Okay, sure, sure. Sure. Some issues, some bowel.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:19Dax Shepard?

  Evacuation schedule issue.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  And then you think you're okay. And then all of a sudden you're like, maybe I'm not okay.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. So what does one do if they have that?

• 6:30Speaker 02

  You gotta get on a antibiotic protocol.

• 6:32Dax Shepard?

  Oh, you do gotta kill it.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  I think you had to take like three antibiotics all at the same time for like a couple of weeks.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  That's a lot.

• 6:39Dax Shepard?

  I'm hopeful, cause I was on a pick line for like four months. You know, antibiotics where you gotta shoot it in your body like three times a day or twice a day?

• 6:47Speaker 02

  What from?

• 6:48Dax Shepard?

  Oh man, motorcycle accident that then I got a bunch of metal put in and then that metal was infected. Then I got in a bicycle accident, which broke all the metal. And then they went in there to fix that. They discovered this huge infection. So I had to, yeah, do that for months, shooting it in. And I'd like to think that although it also killed that, it would have killed something like that as well. Cause I was just carpet bombing my body for months.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  I mean, a lot of people still try to take turpentine for things like that. They'll drink it. It's medicine from the 1800s. So it's like, yeah, it might work, but it also might kill you.

• 7:24Dax Shepard?

  Also strips pain. I mean, I think that's the primary use of turpentine.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:29Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Okay. So I want to start with an assumption and a disclaimer, which is if I were you, I would fucking hate talking about my dad or I'd just be so sick of it.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. Like I know I'm going to get asked.

• 7:39Speaker 02

  It doesn't upset me at all.

• 7:40Dax Shepard?

  It doesn't.

• 7:41Speaker 02

  No. I mean, you know, I think more than anything, if I get upset about something, it's the lack of thoughtfulness and a question in an interview. You've experienced that.

• 7:50Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 7:50Speaker 02

  Where you're like, have you done any research? Are you a thoughtful interviewer?

• 7:55Dax Shepard?

  Or intention. You get the sense, oh, they're just trying to trap me into really bad soundbite. I'm going to regret.

• 8:00Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 8:00Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. I don't want to trap anyone. I don't want any clickbait.

• 8:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:03Dax Shepard?

  You're 40 now, right?

• 8:04Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 8:04Dax Shepard?

  But there's been waves of it where also it's like, shut the fuck up about my dad. And then other periods where you're like, oh yeah, I'm older now and I don't really.

• 8:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. You kind of reach a tipping point where you're like, why do I care about that? Or I'm comfortable just being me now.

• 8:19Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 8:20Speaker 02

  Whatever.

• 8:20Dax Shepard?

  Okay. So let's start though. Your mom's Jacqueline?

• 8:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:23Dax Shepard?

  You're born in Carmel by the Sea?

• 8:25Speaker 02

  I was.

• 8:26Speaker 01

  Beautiful place. Yes, I have. Gorgeous.

• 8:28Dax Shepard?

  Can you have awareness when you're young and you're born somewhere that it's significantly prettier than everywhere else? I mean, it's just what it is there, right?

• 8:38Speaker 02

  I think, yeah, that comes with some age and perspective. Leaving, like anything, I thought it was quite small and I wanted more.

• 8:47Dax Shepard?

  It is tiny, right?

• 8:48Speaker 02

  It is. It's connected to the larger Bay Area, right? You could be in Santa Cruz in 30 minutes and then from Santa Cruz into. San Francisco or San Jose.

• 8:58Dax Shepard?

  But when you're there, you're there. I mean, it's like kinda.

• 9:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's it's on an island a little bit or a peninsula, I guess.

• 9:04Dax Shepard?

  What were the kids and the parents? Like, what do people do there? It feels very like you're there to retire. I don't know what the industry is there like. Was it mostly like wealthy families and that kind of thing?

• 9:16Speaker 02

  It's not just wealth. I mean, there's middle and lower class for sure. Seaside and Marina and Salinas has got a lot of lower socioeconomic demographic. So it all sort of blends, then the closer to the coast you get, the more upper class. But, you know, people do the same thing. I mean, they look to find ways to get into trouble and sneak out and go drink and in high school and do things you're not supposed to do.

• 9:38Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah. Were you there zero to 10, then 14 to 18? Is that what it was?

• 9:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was there, I think, zero to eight. Then my mom and I lived in Hawaii and my sister.

• 9:48Dax Shepard?

  She into dogs?

• 9:50Speaker 02

  That's not the one that's into dogs.

• 9:51Dax Shepard?

  Okay, because Kristen's like, I think I know his sister through dogs.

• 9:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's Allison. She has a big dog rescue in Malibu.

• 9:58Speaker 01

  Oh, cool.

• 9:59Speaker 02

  And then, yeah, back to Hawaii for eight or so years and then back to Carmel for sort of the second half of high school.

• 10:06Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so Jacqueline was a flight attendant?

• 10:08Speaker 02

  She was.

• 10:09Dax Shepard?

  With what airline?

• 10:10Speaker 02

  She's gonna kill me because I'll miss say this, but it's Hughes Air West, which then became maybe TWA and then Northwest. I think they admire each other.

• 10:19Dax Shepard?

  And did your parents meet on a flight?

• 10:22Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 10:23Dax Shepard?

  Damn it.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  That would have been a good story.

• 10:25Dax Shepard?

  You've had the fantasy I have. You're chatting with the attendant. They're attractive and you're like, oh, could this be a romance?

• 10:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:32Dax Shepard?

  Could we have like a night in Paris when we land?

• 10:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think you're thinking more of like 50s flight attendants.

• 10:37Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, Pan Am, yeah. Yeah. Right now, it's like not so much the fantasy. It's like, get out of the way, move, get off the plane, yeah, yeah. Put your shit in front of your feet. Don't put it in the overhead.

• 10:48Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 10:49Dax Shepard?

  How long was she doing it?

• 10:51Speaker 02

  She did for 14 or 15 years.

• 10:53Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so a full career.

• 10:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, she had a career.

• 10:56Dax Shepard?

  So how'd they meet?

• 10:57Speaker 02

  They were both living in Monterey and they just, I think, mutual friends.

• 11:01Dax Shepard?

  Where's she from originally?

• 11:02Speaker 02

  She's from Washington State.

• 11:04Dax Shepard?

  What kind of gal was she?

• 11:05Speaker 02

  Simple. Now she walks and collects shells on the beach daily. Still single. She raised two kids after her career. You know, she was a mother and she did some interior design sort of on the side.

• 11:18Dax Shepard?

  What took you guys to Hawaii?

• 11:19Speaker 02

  She taught tennis there when she was in her early twenties and she always loved it. And then my dad and her split and she said, I'm going back to Hawaii.

• 11:29Dax Shepard?

  So they had an Amica Bowl?

• 11:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're great friends.

• 11:31Dax Shepard?

  Oh, lovely. And what island were you on?

• 11:34Speaker 02

  Kauai for a few years, then the Big Island. She moved to the Big Island because the school system on Kauai isn't very good. The school systems in general in Hawaii aren't some of the best. And there was a good school that she moved to for us in middle school and high school.

• 11:48Dax Shepard?

  And were you going to a public school there?

• 11:51Speaker 02

  I was, and then a private school, and then a public school.

• 11:54Dax Shepard?

  How'd it work out being a holly? Because I've had some real dicey experiences down in Hawaii. Yeah.

• 11:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a thing.

• 12:00Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 12:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's still a thing.

• 12:02Dax Shepard?

  I'll give you an example. I was I was sitting in in Paia on Maui and I'm talking to this skinny white dude that works at this Paia organic pizza place. It's great. And he like, grew up there. I'm like, how'd you do as a skinny white dude on this island? And he's like, oh, man, you need a niche. I happen to be really tiny, so I would go pig hunting with the dudes because I was tiny as I could get in to stab the boar once they had it down.

• 12:26Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 12:27Dax Shepard?

  He's like, so I had a role, but you really need a role.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  You need a role.

• 12:31Dax Shepard?

  He's not wrong. Was it intimidating when you got there?

• 12:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. I mean, nobody liked me. Luckily, my mom, I think she really pushed I had to be in sports. So she put me in football. So early age, I was doing Pop Warner.

• 12:44Dax Shepard?

  Perfect. You've got built in friends.

• 12:46Speaker 02

  Exactly. Well, yeah, at the beginning, built in, you're one of two white kids on the team. Why are you here? Beat it, holly.

• 12:53Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  But then I think as time progressed and they saw, oh, cool, he's willing to put the work in and take some hits, you become part of the pack. So that's good.

• 13:04Dax Shepard?

  And did you find your way into the pack?

• 13:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, then you go and play another school. They might be like, beat it, holly.

• 13:10Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 13:11Speaker 02

  Right? So it's always touch and go in Hawaii.

• 13:14Dax Shepard?

  Did you get your ass kicked?

• 13:15Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 13:16Dax Shepard?

  Oh, sure.

• 13:16Speaker 02

  From an early age, getting in lots of fistfights, you had to learn how to defend yourself, learn how to kind of navigate the waters and be like, okay, either I'm gonna get in a fight right now or I'm gonna figure out how to defuse this.

• 13:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 13:28Speaker 02

  Most of the time, I was getting in a fight. But then I think you start to earn your stripes and then it is like anywhere.

• 13:33Dax Shepard?

  It seems scary.

• 13:34Speaker 02

  It still is. The surfing culture in Hawaii is still very protected.

• 13:38Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 13:39Speaker 02

  It's like a resource, right? Waves are a resource and there is a respect and pecking order that you have to respect. And that's part of the whole thing. And white holly guys are at the bottom of the totem pole.

• 13:51Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Unless you're, who'd we interview? The big surfer.

• 13:56Dax Shepard?

  Oh, Kelly Slater.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  Kelly Slater.

• 13:59Dax Shepard?

  Kelly Slater.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  I think even Kelly, he's not, you know, in Hawaii.

• 14:03Dax Shepard?

  They don't care about the champion.

• 14:04Speaker 02

  They actually probably want to kick his ass if he steps out of.

• 14:08Speaker 01

  Oh, that makes sense.

• 14:09Dax Shepard?

  Absolutely. I've heard epic stories of dudes getting like literally punched on their surfboard, like on a wave.

• 14:15Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a thing.

• 14:18Dax Shepard?

  And what about girls? Did you have girlfriends? Could you have romances?

• 14:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's also, again, on an island, could be a resource.

• 14:26Dax Shepard?

  Uh, yeah.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  If you, you know.

• 14:28Dax Shepard?

  Take interest to the wrong girl.

• 14:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  Very lord of the flies.

• 14:34Dax Shepard?

  It makes me think, have you ever seen Officer and a Gentleman?

• 14:37Speaker 02

  Uh huh, of course.

• 14:38Dax Shepard?

  And they kind of tell the backstory of why Richard Gere is such a badass, I think. And it's like, he was a little boy in Thailand or Vietnam during the thing. And he's just getting his ass kicked by all the local kids. And then, you know, he's had to raise up. It sounds a little bit like that.

• 14:50Speaker 02

  It's a little bit like that.

• 14:51Dax Shepard?

  So what grade did you leave there?

• 14:54Speaker 02

  I left when I got in trouble. I got in some trouble.

• 14:59Dax Shepard?

  What kind of trouble did you get in?

• 15:00Speaker 02

  I like to think it was my first entrepreneurial experience, selling pot.

• 15:04Dax Shepard?

  Oh, great.

• 15:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:05Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh. Where were you getting it?

• 15:07Speaker 02

  We raided a pot farm.

• 15:09Dax Shepard?

  Great. You stole a ton of it.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 15:11Dax Shepard?

  Perfect, perfect.

• 15:12Speaker 02

  We weren't gonna buy it.

• 15:13Dax Shepard?

  No, no. Who had the capital?

• 15:15Speaker 02

  Exactly. Yeah, so we did a little boo boo.

• 15:18Dax Shepard?

  How many of you?

• 15:19Speaker 02

  There was, I think, five or six of us that hatched this plan in the night, under moonlight, gonna steal the pot, stole the pot, took it down to the beach, dried it out. And then we divvied it up and then we were gonna make some dough.

• 15:31Dax Shepard?

  And were you gonna move it on the beach or in school?

• 15:33Speaker 02

  No, at school.

• 15:34Dax Shepard?

  At school, sure, sure, sure.

• 15:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, we see the other things. And then I don't remember somewhere along the line, someone got pinched and then someone ratted. Yeah, they rolled on everybody.

• 15:44Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 15:44Speaker 02

  Rats, right?

• 15:45Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh. That's why eighth graders don't make great criminals because they roll pretty easy.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  They roll pretty easy.

• 15:49Dax Shepard?

  And were police involved?

• 15:50Speaker 02

  No, they didn't really have any actual evidence, but they still kicked us out of school. I think there was enough people. I denied that. So I don't know.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  Still, you didn't do it.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:00Dax Shepard?

  And so were you sent now to live with dad or did mom go with you?

• 16:04Speaker 02

  I went to go live with my dad.

• 16:05Dax Shepard?

  It sounds like you were, were you living a pretty modest life in Hawaii?

• 16:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, comfortable, but we didn't live lavish.

• 16:11Dax Shepard?

  I guess I'm wondering if I knew my dad was your dad, I was like, where's the golf carts? Like, why don't I have all the golf carts? Why aren't you living out the toy?

• 16:20Speaker 02

  Well, my dad's not like that, even if when I was living with him or at all. He's not a material guy. He comes from a very different generation. I mean, you gotta remember, he was born in 1930.

• 16:30Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. So he saw the real lows of the Great Depression and that stuck with him forever. He still, to this day, would be telling you to turn off a light if you left the house. Like, why the hell didn't you turn off the light?

• 16:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, dads love to tell you to turn off the lights.

• 16:47Speaker 02

  They do.

• 16:48Dax Shepard?

  I do too. I'll go waste a ton of money in one domain and then I'll be like, that fucking light's on.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  It's so crazy.

• 16:55Dax Shepard?

  And then it's like primitive. There's something going on.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  It is.

• 16:57Dax Shepard?

  Put the fire out. Is there something weird is going on? They care more than I should about it.

• 17:02Speaker 01

  Weird frugality in just this one area.

• 17:05Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, that's pretty insignificant in your total nut. It's not like you're gonna move the needle if you really tighten up your electricity bill.

• 17:12Speaker 02

  Especially now with LEDs, right? I mean.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:15Dax Shepard?

  Let them rep.

• 17:17Speaker 02

  Sometimes I'll just leave them on just to spy.

• 17:19Speaker 01

  Me too. I literally will. I'll just be like, gonna turn the light off. I'm like, you know what? I can leave it on. I get to make this decision now for me, for myself.

• 17:28Dax Shepard?

  How was it when you dropped back into Carmel, going into high school?

• 17:33Speaker 02

  You know, you jump into a new high school. That's always a little wonky. Are you gonna be the one who's gonna get picked on? And that actually did happen. I think one of the first months or two of high school, a guy, a bully, singled me out because I was the new kid. I didn't want to fight because I was like, I'm a new kid at the school. Why are you picking on me? One day after school, I said, enough's enough, let's go. And so then we went down to the place where everyone fights. It was like a big field.

• 18:01Dax Shepard?

  Okay, great.

• 18:01Speaker 02

  I remember it actually vividly because he's now one of my best friends, but he had an old camcorder. And he was gonna film the fight.

• 18:09Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wow.

• 18:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:10Dax Shepard?

  It could be nothing more awkward than you're going to fight a kid. For us, it was the Melford Cinema. That's where we all went. And he's like, yeah, just give me five. I gotta set up my tripod.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  My camcorder.

• 18:19Dax Shepard?

  Let me just block this really quick. Do you think you were gonna fight over there? Or are we, I'm just trying to figure out why my frame might have. So he set up his camcorder?

• 18:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, we had it. He had it in his hand.

• 18:29Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay.

• 18:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, I remember all the kids were parking and running down.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  Not the bully, right? Just another friend.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  No, just another friend. Now he's, now he's my best friend.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  You thought a bully was also filming and punching.

• 18:41Dax Shepard?

  Well, no, no, I thought he's like making us tape. So I thought he would set it up on a tripod, then kick ass and then watch it at home and love it.

• 18:48Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 18:48Dax Shepard?

  You could see that as an incentive, right?

• 18:51Speaker 01

  This is just another friend.

• 18:52Dax Shepard?

  So does the tape exist?

• 18:54Speaker 02

  It probably does, but we have no idea where it is. Yeah.

• 18:58Dax Shepard?

  How did that fight go?

• 18:59Speaker 02

  It went pretty good for me.

• 19:00Dax Shepard?

  Oh, good, good, good, good. Oh, I would have had to get that tape.

• 19:03Speaker 02

  I didn't want to fight because I had been in a lot of fights pre that. And I was like, I don't need to do that. Start this school out like that.

• 19:11Dax Shepard?

  We already did that.

• 19:12Speaker 02

  We already did that. Like, why can't I just, okay. To my mom's credit, she had put me in martial arts very early, did a lot of Taekwondo and boxing. I had a really good foundation for fighting, especially after being in all these fights with kids in Hawaii. So it was good because actually now that I think about it, I did get in a lot of fights with different schools. That was the only fight I was in, I think, in that school. But then Carmel High would fight Monterey High.

• 19:36Dax Shepard?

  Oh, great.

• 19:36Speaker 02

  And it was like this rivalry because we had a football rivalry. So there would be like group fights.

• 19:42Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, wonderful. Rumbles.

• 19:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, rumbles.

• 19:44Dax Shepard?

  Oh, what a time to be alive. I know. What are we doing? But it is chimps. We're all like, this chimp's big. Should I try it?

• 19:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. I don't know why we have that. It doesn't end too, right? It's like a fight for resources, right?

• 19:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:56Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 19:58Speaker 02

  Who's cool, who's gonna get the girl?

• 19:59Dax Shepard?

  All the dudes gotta hear is like one girl going like, oh, yeah, his dad's bike. And then he's off to the races.

• 20:05Speaker 01

  Oof.

• 20:06Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 20:11Dax Shepard?

  I guess when I think my conclusion is, is it's not as fun as I thought it might be.

• 20:15Speaker 02

  It's just of anything, you know, just because your dad has done something great, doesn't mean you've done anything great. It doesn't mean, you know, either you're a good dude and you're cool or you're not. And that takes you a lot farther than whether your dad was cool or not in life.

• 20:30Dax Shepard?

  Did you get to be on sets a lot as a kid?

• 20:32Speaker 02

  I did. Summers, we would go and I remember getting to go and see him in Houston, working on the space movie.

• 20:40Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cowboys, Space Cowboys?

• 20:44Speaker 02

  Space Cowboys, exactly.

• 20:45Dax Shepard?

  We got it.

• 20:45Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 20:46Dax Shepard?

  Wait, it was him and Tommy Lee Jones?

• 20:47Speaker 02

  Tommy Lee Jones, Donald Sutherland and James Garner, who was great. I got to meet him and get to know these legends.

• 20:55Dax Shepard?

  Your dad presents, of course, is very alpha, but is that his vibe in real life? I mean, I'll cut to the chase. I'm curious how he dealt with Tommy Lee Jones, who I hear is really, really hard. I'm just wondering if he had the like alphaness to keep him.

• 21:08Speaker 02

  I think everybody has got a lot of respect for him. So I don't think people try to.

• 21:12Dax Shepard?

  They don't act up around him?

• 21:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, he's very calm and even keel and it doesn't raise his voice ever. I mean, he would with me. But.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  As he should. It's what dads do.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  I heard a legendary story. I'm sort of going to paraphrase it and I'll probably tell it a little wrong, but Kevin Costner, sort of going through maybe the Kevin Costner rise to fame and maybe got a big ego and blah, blah, blah. But they were doing Perfect World and they're both starring in this movie. My dad is directing it. Apparently Kevin wouldn't come out of his trailer for some reason. And my dad doesn't do trailers and things. He's like just be on set, stay on. He always told me too, as a kid, you want to learn how to make movies? You want to learn how to do this? You stay here with everybody else and you make the damn movie.

• 21:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:00Speaker 02

  Apparently he didn't want to come out of his trailer for some reason.

• 22:02Dax Shepard?

  He might've been entertaining.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  He might've.

• 22:05Speaker 01

  He also could have been going to the bathroom.

• 22:08Dax Shepard?

  He could have been irregular. He could have had a parasite.

• 22:10Speaker 01

  He could have had a parasite.

• 22:11Dax Shepard?

  We don't know.

• 22:13Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 22:14Dax Shepard?

  But I think his reputation is he's hard on directors. This holds.

• 22:16Speaker 02

  So he just said, we'll send him home then. And everyone said, what do you mean? Well, he's in the scene. Send him home. So he sent him home and I guess they just went to Kevin and said, hey, you're going to go home for the day. You don't need him. And he said, what do you mean? I'm in the scene. Well, I guess you're not anymore.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  Oh, boy.

• 22:31Dax Shepard?

  The train left the station.

• 22:32Speaker 02

  Clinton changed that.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  And so, you know, that's the pecking order. And so I think the next day he was on set, ready to go.

• 22:41Dax Shepard?

  Your dad also infamously does like half a take, right? This is the, I've had friends who have done his movies. I've even heard stories where it's like they're doing like kind of a rehearsal and they're going to do a pyro rehearsal and they shoot that and he's like, okay, next thing.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  We got it.

• 22:54Dax Shepard?

  So yeah, if you're not out on set, like he's moving quick.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  He's moving quick and you better come ready to work. You better know your shit.

• 23:01Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 23:02Speaker 02

  And actually I think you know, I mean, you both are performers and have done this a ton. Sometimes if that's done right and the space is held correctly, it's all respected and everyone's quiet and you're rehearsing, sometimes the best stuff just comes.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 23:17Speaker 02

  If you're able to do that, he would always tell me this trick. He would just go to the cinematographer and just run. And he wouldn't tell anybody. Everyone's comfortable. They're not thinking about anything. There's no nerves.

• 23:28Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, that's the move.

• 23:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 23:30Dax Shepard?

  Did you have the interest in acting as a kid?

• 23:31Speaker 02

  You know what movie I would say really made an impression on me was Endless Summer. And I don't know if you've ever seen it.

• 23:40Dax Shepard?

  Forty years ago.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  Okay. So it's Bruce Brown making one of the most iconic surf films of all time. It's more than just a surf film though. It's a movie about traveling the world and about travelers that happen to be surfers, but experiencing all this culture.

• 23:56Dax Shepard?

  And the premise range, they just chased the summer.

• 23:58Speaker 02

  They chased the summer.

• 23:59Dax Shepard?

  So cool. Yeah, it's bigger than surfing, that concept.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  It is. They just happen to be doing surfing along the way, which is a beautiful sport. It's in nature, but they go to all these continents and they travel the world and you get all this like spice of culture and this life. And I always thought, that's my dream, to chase summer around the world. So I don't know if it happened to be like be a surfer, but it was.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  Experience.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, it was experience.

• 24:23Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. How do I stay in summer all the time?

• 24:25Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that.

• 24:26Dax Shepard?

  Or whatever summer represents at all time.

• 24:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:29Dax Shepard?

  So you go to Loyola.

• 24:31Speaker 02

  I ended up at Loyola. I bounced around. I did Santa Barbara City College.

• 24:35Dax Shepard?

  Me too.

• 24:35Speaker 02

  Oh, no ways.

• 24:36Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:37Dax Shepard?

  One year at Santa Barbara City College. Beautiful campus for a city college.

• 24:40Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 24:41Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. You're on that little bluff, looking out at the ocean. I remember I got a microwave burrito on my first day there and I was sitting on the grass and I'm from Detroit and I'm like, get out of here. This is a fucking school. This is a college. This is a community college.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  I know.

• 24:52Dax Shepard?

  Okay. So you started there. Did you live downtown or in IV?

• 24:55Speaker 02

  No, I lived on the mesa in a little apartment there. I remember it was 12 bucks a unit or something, you know?

• 25:01Dax Shepard?

  Oh yeah, for school.

• 25:02Speaker 02

  For school and you could enroll for, I don't know, a couple hundred bucks.

• 25:08Speaker 02

  I worked as a bar back at the brew house. I don't know if you ever went down to the brew house.

• 25:13Dax Shepard?

  On State Street?

• 25:14Speaker 02

  No, not on State Street. That's Santa Barbara Brewing Company. I think it's still there actually. It's down by where the Spearmint Rhino and all that area is.

• 25:23Dax Shepard?

  I had a couple of friends that worked there, yeah.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  A little bit of a seedier area.

• 25:26Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I love it. There's train tracks right there. Yeah. I lived on Bath right behind that.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Oh yeah. I bar back there. I had a bike.

• 25:31Dax Shepard?

  Motorcycle?

• 25:32Speaker 02

  Nope. No, no, bicycle.

• 25:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. Didn't everyone have bikes there? That's like a thing. It's like bike culture.

• 25:37Speaker 02

  And also my dad wouldn't buy me a car.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  Cause I made that pitch and that didn't go well.

• 25:45Dax Shepard?

  This is a fucking hysterical.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Well, it is.

• 25:47Dax Shepard?

  If your fucking dad is cleaning his wedding, he doesn't buy you a car.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  No, I like that.

• 25:51Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I know you like it, but I would be furious.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  Well.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  I think at the time I was.

• 25:56Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 25:57Speaker 02

  At the time I was.

• 25:58Dax Shepard?

  Like, come on dude, you won't even notice this.

• 26:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:01Dax Shepard?

  You can't even find this withdrawal from your account.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  But that's not the rationale. It's not like, I can't afford it. And then you'd be like, well, that's bullshit. But he'd just be like, no, you don't deserve a car.

• 26:14Dax Shepard?

  I bought a car, couldn't afford it, but I wasn't resentful because my mom wasn't loaded. But if my mom was loaded, I think I would have been pissed.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  But you're not just like automatically.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  Entitled to a car.

• 26:25Speaker 01

  Exactly. At six or whatever.

• 26:27Speaker 02

  Probably for the best, probably for a lot of reasons. One, the value of money and what that is and like learning respect for that and like your job, but also probably giving a kid a car at 18, 19, what do you do? You're drinking and driving? Are you doing something stupid?

• 26:43Dax Shepard?

  He might've been worried that you are going to get in trouble with anything like that.

• 26:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I think probably the value of time and money. I think that's like the principal lesson that he wanted me to know. This doesn't grow on trees and you better go on and earn it.

• 26:55Dax Shepard?

  How many nights a week as a bar back, were you making love to strangers?

• 27:01Dax Shepard?

  Several of the nights a week?

• 27:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think four nights a week.

• 27:05Dax Shepard?

  You need a rest.

• 27:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Rest days.

• 27:09Dax Shepard?

  You're like kind of all my fantasies I have, like I'm just imagining being as good looking as you in Santa Barbara as a bar back.

• 27:15Speaker 01

  You are projecting a lot of fantasy on him.

• 27:17Dax Shepard?

  I'm trying to own it, but yeah.

• 27:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:20Dax Shepard?

  I'm like, oh my God, what? You needed a two seater bike?

• 27:25Dax Shepard?

  You needed a tandem bike? What if you took the girl out from the bar and she's like, what? Why do you drive a tandem bike?

• 27:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:31Dax Shepard?

  Cause I generally have passengers, girl. You riding?

• 27:37Speaker 03

  Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert if you dare.

• 27:42Dax Shepard?

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• 29:40Dax Shepard?

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• 31:06Dax Shepard?

  We get support from Instagram teen accounts. So we talk a lot on this show about how the world is different now than when we were growing up. And one of the biggest differences is obviously social media. And I think a lot of people wonder, okay, what's actually being done to make it safer for teenagers?

• 31:22Speaker 01

  Which is a fair question.

• 31:24Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. So Instagram has got something called teen accounts and they come with automatic protections built in by default. So anyone between 13 and 17 is automatically placed into this experience. They get age appropriate content settings, contact limits, so that by default, only people they're already connected to can message them. And time management tools, daily time limit reminders, and also sleep mode that mutes notifications from 10:00 PM to 7:00 AM.

• 31:50Speaker 01

  Sleep mode is genius.

• 31:51Dax Shepard?

  Right? And here's the thing, for anyone under 16, a parent has to give permission to change any of those settings to be less strict. The guardrails are on and Instagram keeps building new safety features to create age appropriate experiences for teens.

• 32:06Speaker 01

  I am really glad Instagram's helping to give parents peace of mind with teen accounts.

• 32:10Dax Shepard?

  Learn more about teen accounts and Instagram's ongoing work to protect teens online at instagram.com/teenaccounts.

• 32:25Dax Shepard?

  So how long were you there? A year?

• 32:27Speaker 02

  I was there for about a year or so. I had this one moment, actually, that kind of woke me up from being just a kid in college and being a barback. I went to a restaurant, actually, in Santa Barbara. And this guy I had known from growing up, he was in Hawaii, growing up, and he'd gone out many years prior. He was like six years older and he'd gone to college in Santa Barbara and he was there barbacking. And I was like, hey, you're working here. I was like, but you didn't you go to college here? And like, why are you still working as this barback? And I was like, thinking, oh, man, I better get my shit together.

• 33:04Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, that's gonna be me.

• 33:05Speaker 02

  That's gonna be me if I don't start working on my career now while I'm in college. So I packed up after a year and a half or something at Santa Barbara and I moved to LA. And I was like, I gotta get this going while I'm in college and do both things in parallel.

• 33:20Dax Shepard?

  Meaning acting in college?

• 33:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, just act. I mean, I didn't know exactly if acting was gonna be the thing I was gonna do. But at that moment, I was like, I want to give it a shot.

• 33:30Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 33:30Speaker 02

  And see if I can become an actor and make it and support myself. Not that anything is wrong with being a barback, just I wanted more.

• 33:38Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. In fact, there's a lot that's right with being a barback. I almost even think you might get so arstation in life and go, oh, right, no, it was never better than being a barback.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:49Dax Shepard?

  It was simpler.

• 33:50Speaker 02

  Simpler times.

• 33:52Dax Shepard?

  I didn't have all these status concerns.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 33:54Dax Shepard?

  And that was pretty groovy.

• 33:55Speaker 02

  Like when your parents tell you, these are the best years of your life.

• 33:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 33:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you don't listen.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  You can't listen.

• 34:02Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. How was Loyola?

• 34:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was cool. I went to Santa Monica after that, Santa Monica City College.

• 34:08Dax Shepard?

  Me too.

• 34:09Speaker 01

  You guys, that's wild.

• 34:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. I couldn't get into a four year. So that's why I went to Santa Monica.

• 34:16Dax Shepard?

  Not as pretty of a campus?

• 34:18Speaker 02

  Not as pretty, not as good as Santa Barbara. This place was so cool. And then I actually applied a couple of times. I might've been rejected twice. I can't remember. I know I was rejected once to get into that school. And so then I had to wait another semester or another year, whatever it was, and then apply again, try to get in, and then I finally got in. I just really finished there. It was funny. By the time I had gone to Loyola, Marymount, I had worked all over the world. Cause I had been in City College, I don't know, four years, a couple in Santa Barbara, a couple in Santa Monica. I had gotten acting jobs and I had been to Iceland. I had been to Europe and London and making movies. I'd been all over.

• 34:54Dax Shepard?

  Loyola.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  I would get a job and ask my job, that was valet parking cars at the time.

• 35:00Dax Shepard?

  Chase Crawford.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  He also valet.

• 35:02Dax Shepard?

  He was a valet, nice.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  Jefferies.

• 35:04Dax Shepard?

  Job I always wanted.

• 35:05Speaker 02

  Well, it was great. It was like outdoor, you know, and you're like moving and you're in the sun.

• 35:09Dax Shepard?

  Quarantine.

• 35:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  He crashed a car. Did you crash any cars?

• 35:12Speaker 02

  I didn't crash any cars. Maybe Nick, but nothing you had to report. And so I would ask my job if I could leave, if they were cool with it. And then I'd have to ask the school if I could bob and weave and figure out how you could get my work done, but also go do this movie, which was like an opportunity. So by the time I got to Loyola, I was more, what am I doing here? Like, all these kids are freshmen in a dorm.

• 35:36Dax Shepard?

  You feel old.

• 35:37Speaker 02

  I was like, I'm old and people are asking me to check in for class and I go, I'm paying to be here. I don't need you asking me. I've got a real job.

• 35:46Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  So I was kind of like, this is weird, but I got through it.

• 35:49Dax Shepard?

  I similarly, it took me like three or four years as well to go through this City College, get my associates transferred to UCLA. And yeah, when I got to UCLA, I was only like three years older than everyone or four, but I was like super into the groundlings. That was kind of my real life. And I remember, yeah, feeling very old on that campus. I also smoked and nobody smoked and I'm like an old piece of shit at this place.

• 36:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:10Dax Shepard?

  Feeling like.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  You're like haggard.

• 36:11Dax Shepard?

  I felt like a dirtbag.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, you were.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  Looking at the sorority parties as I go around like.

• 36:16Dax Shepard?

  Where's everyone going? Everyone's going, you guys went to a football game? I mean, I just wasn't having that total college experience.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think similar.

• 36:23Dax Shepard?

  In those six, you did flags of our fathers, which would have been during that period. Did you go to Detroit for a grand trino? Did you shoot there?

• 36:30Speaker 02

  I did.

• 36:31Dax Shepard?

  How was your experience?

• 36:32Speaker 02

  It was, it was fine. It was fine. It was good. We stayed in a really, actually, you know, cause Detroit, but it's like a really nice part.

• 36:43Dax Shepard?

  Birmingham, you were probably.

• 36:44Speaker 02

  A really bad part. So they kind of ride like a fine line.

• 36:47Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you were shooting in the exciting area.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  The exciting.

• 36:53Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, try to unisim this.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure.

• 36:56Dax Shepard?

  Walk me through, again, I know at that time, you're like 20 something years old, but.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was kidding.

• 37:00Dax Shepard?

  Initially, you were going by Scott Reeves. You're like, I'm not.

• 37:04Speaker 02

  Not doing the dad thing.

• 37:05Dax Shepard?

  I'm not gonna do it.

• 37:06Speaker 02

  I don't know what I was thinking. Now I look back at it going, I don't care. It's just gone by my name. It's fine. Eastwood, whatever. But I think I wanted to understand if I could make this work and do it on my own. And you know, you want to prove something to yourself, probably.

• 37:22Dax Shepard?

  Of course.

• 37:22Speaker 02

  Other probably people in town. And then you start working and then you realize it's more about doing the work and living in a hotel room across the globe. And all this stuff doesn't really matter. At the end of the day, it's like, you've got to do the work.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:35Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Do you think it was motivated out of your fear of the public's perception of you being a nepotistic?

• 37:45Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 37:46Dax Shepard?

  Baby? Or was it more motivated out of dad? Like, I'm gonna show dad, I'm gonna do this without any help.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  Maybe a little bit of both.

• 37:54Dax Shepard?

  Maybe a mix.

• 37:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, but definitely probably like, I'm me. I'm gonna try to go do me.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're your own person. Eastwood's also, it's not Smith. It's just so clear immediately, you know?

• 38:06Speaker 02

  It's definitely not Smith.

• 38:08Dax Shepard?

  I've never had a friend with the last name Eastwood, have you?

• 38:10Speaker 01

  No, until now.

• 38:12Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, until starting today.

• 38:13Speaker 02

  Until now.

• 38:15Dax Shepard?

  But I've heard you say that you're like ultimately quite happy it went this way, but your dad was a hard ass, right?

• 38:21Speaker 02

  He was tough on his sons.

• 38:23Dax Shepard?

  Oh.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  Sucker for his daughters.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  Oh, that's cute.

• 38:27Dax Shepard?

  Would you resent your sisters at all? Like, God, why they got it made?

• 38:30Speaker 02

  I think now I'm like, what did you put me through? And look at that, what's going on here? This balance of fairness is not mathing.

• 38:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:41Speaker 02

  But no, I love them all.

• 38:42Dax Shepard?

  You're fine with it.

• 38:43Speaker 02

  It's all for the best.

• 38:44Dax Shepard?

  You do three movies in a row with your dad. That's also complicated, I would imagine.

• 38:48Speaker 02

  Well, I don't think it was probably in a row. Definitely not. You know, you start working in little things. There was probably a lot of credits that weren't, cause they're student movies and stuff that never saw the light of day. But you start working, you start taking acting classes, you do improv classes, like the groundlings. You start auditioning like a madman. I remember there were times, there were like two or three auditions in a day. This is way before the phone and the taping and stuff. You had to drive around this city, still with the Thomas Guide.

• 39:19Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Oh, I spent like 50 hours a week driving to commercial auditions and I just never got one for like six years. And I'm like, my goodness, the hourly rate, when I finally booked the buyout for two grand, I'm like, I'm making one cent an hour.

• 39:31Speaker 02

  It's terrible.

• 39:31Dax Shepard?

  Buy out this.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  Terrible.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  There's so much PTSD driving around LA. Cause you're like, oh, that's where I auditioned for that. They're always popping up.

• 39:39Speaker 02

  And like you said, I mean, at a certain point, you're like, okay, I'm gonna give this till 30, but if at 30, this ain't working, I gotta find a new gig.

• 39:50Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Did you feel like you fit into the actor world in LA? Did you feel like an outsider or did you feel immediately embraced?

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Never felt like I fit in. Still don't even.

• 40:02Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 40:02Speaker 02

  Love the act of storytelling, whether it's acting or being a part of the creative process. Love it. Intellectualizing about it, having long talks about acting and things. Not really for me.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:15Speaker 02

  That doesn't mean like you don't have to put in the reps and the gym.

• 40:19Dax Shepard?

  No, you gotta figure out what works for you, I think. But that doesn't mean that's interesting for you to hear about how I figure out how to be believable.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, my dad was never one to intellectualize about it. He's like, just go tell the truth, man. Figure it out. Come prepared. Do the job.

• 40:32Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  There's other things outside of the industry that are interesting.

• 40:37Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, he's unique in that he didn't live in LA.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  Well, he did when he was quite young, but then he moved out 60 years ago.

• 40:44Dax Shepard?

  Soon as he could.

• 40:44Speaker 02

  And I did the same.

• 40:45Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you live in San Diego?

• 40:47Speaker 02

  I live in Texas, Austin, Texas. But I lived in San Diego for many years. I pretty much left after college. I didn't live here very long. I was like, the city was just too much for me.

• 40:58Dax Shepard?

  And do you think you paid any price for that as far as like working? I mean, clearly not. You've worked consistently.

• 41:06Speaker 02

  I've debated this with people. I've talked about this at nauseam. I'm sure not being in the same brooms with creatives and being here.

• 41:16Dax Shepard?

  All right, I'd weird dinner and talk to this person.

• 41:19Speaker 02

  Sure, you'd be great for this thing. You should look at, I'm sure there is. But the saying goes, if it costs you your peace, it's too expensive. And this place was costing me my peace.

• 41:32Dax Shepard?

  Okay, Fury.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  Incredible experience.

• 41:34Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, hard. I want to hear about it. Oh, I made a movie with Pena. So I got to hear his whole version of that and then interviewed John Brenthal. And heard his take on Shia during that, which was really fun. We didn't talk to Pitt about Fury, but what a fascinating life experience. Yeah. Who's the director?

• 41:52Speaker 02

  David Ayer.

• 41:53Dax Shepard?

  Did he want you guys to box?

• 41:55Speaker 02

  He did. We did that quite a bunch, I think, in the early days before we started filming. He wanted people to bond. He also wanted people to maybe feel the jungle, monkey politics.

• 42:04Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh, uh huh. Having to box your co-stars should be highly memorable.

• 42:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, no, we did. We did rounds. So everyone would box everyone. And look, it was called boxing, but it was no punching in the face.

• 42:16Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay.

• 42:17Speaker 02

  It wasn't really sparring. It was touch.

• 42:20Dax Shepard?

  Just wanted the boys to get intimate.

• 42:21Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 42:22Dax Shepard?

  And how did you do with Shia? Because John was like, at first, he's like, oh God, fuck this guy with the fucking method. And I can't remember if he says like midway through, he's like. This guy is fucking great. There's just no way around it.

• 42:36Speaker 01

  Like he walks the walk, like the results are there.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  Look, Shia is clearly tormented and maybe got some stuff going on.

• 42:43Dax Shepard?

  Certainly addiction.

• 42:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it was tough. There was sort of an incident that happened. I've talked about it. Brad Pitt sort of broke up a little tense moment.

• 42:53Dax Shepard?

  I didn't even know about that.

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Well, he was very method. From what I recall, he pulled out one of his teeth.

• 42:58Dax Shepard?

  I think I heard that.

• 42:59Speaker 02

  Before we even started shooting. And I remember being in the

• 43:02Dax Shepard?

  The look on your face.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  No, no, sorry. That was a different thing. He pulled out his tooth, but then he cut himself.

• 43:07Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 43:08Speaker 02

  And I remember thinking, okay, this guy's crazy.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:11Speaker 02

  I'm just gonna keep clear from this guy. I don't play this game. You go and do that, but there's plenty of ways to do a performance in a movie and be professional also, right? But one day, he was having an episode and thought that I shouldn't be spitting tobacco on the tank.

• 43:28Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 43:29Speaker 02

  Which was in the script.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 43:32Dax Shepard?

  Dip or?

• 43:33Speaker 02

  Dip. Yeah, but it wasn't real. And then finally, I just said, enough's enough. I said, hey, fuck you. Said, stop pulling your shit. I said, I'm gonna whip your ass. And then, you know, he got, you know,

• 43:44Dax Shepard?

  He popped off.

• 43:45Speaker 02

  Froggy and then everyone broke it up and.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 43:48Dax Shepard?

  David Ayer must have been like, mm.

• 43:52Dax Shepard?

  The flowers are blooming and he's planted the seeds.

• 43:55Speaker 01

  Keep it rolling. Get those cameras rolling.

• 43:58Speaker 02

  He wanted a lot of attention. He likes that.

• 43:59Dax Shepard?

  I could never do it, but I am fascinated with the idea of being the director who's like Svengali and all these weird onset dynamics.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  You would get in a fight with Shia.

• 44:09Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah. Or love him. The one or the other.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  Maybe both, but if he was talking to you.

• 44:14Dax Shepard?

  Oh, no, I don't have a lot of tolerance for, yeah, I can just say it. Like, whatever your process is, fucking great. Handle that before you hear action. Handle that before we get called to set. I don't need to be in a 50 minute blocking rehearsal because your character won't hold that pan. I've been in that situation. When you figure out whether your character can hold that pan, come get me.

• 44:37Speaker 02

  Everybody's contributing. Everyone's doing a thing, but you can't stop the train.

• 44:42Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 44:42Speaker 02

  It's a moving train.

• 44:44Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 44:45Speaker 02

  And grow the fuck up.

• 44:46Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 44:46Speaker 02

  You know, it's like, just the director wants you to do so. If it's something crazy, okay, then hey, maybe that's too far, but be collaborative. You can do whatever performance you want to do, holding the pan or not holding the pan.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 45:01Dax Shepard?

  Well, how far into production was that little dust up?

• 45:05Speaker 02

  Oh, it was probably midway. Everyone had moments with Shia that were, I think at one point, you're gonna come to blows or not.

• 45:12Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 45:14Speaker 02

  It's funny, the film industry, it attracts psychopaths because it's art, right? It's art and business and they kind of intersect.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of delusion and self grandeur.

• 45:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:24Dax Shepard?

  And you have a desire to be observed.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, so narcissism.

• 45:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, like low grade narcissism, up to maximum narcissism.

• 45:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Or just mentally ill too.

• 45:34Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 45:34Speaker 02

  A lot of mental illness.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  True.

• 45:36Dax Shepard?

  There is, and in fact, there's a handful of kind of legendary actors where it's like, yeah, the performances are so good. They're so emotionally available and they're unhinged. I'm not shocked. Like, I can't do what certain actors can do. I've never even gotten there in real life, much less on command.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  Exactly. And that's why they're so fascinating to watch.

• 45:56Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  So that's why some of the forgiveness for behavior, which I don't excuse, because when bad behavior is bad behavior, it's like, this is a place of work. The crew got to go home. Everyone wants to be happy. People deserve to be respected. Doesn't matter if you're picking up a piece of trash, or if you're saying the lines, or if you're holding the camera. Everybody has the same respect.

• 46:17Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  Decency. So it's like, when you start infringing on that as a place of work, that's when it gets tough for me because I'm like, beat it.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:26Speaker 02

  You know, no one's got tolerance for that.

• 46:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  But at the same time, when you see that performance and you're like, holy shit, that's magnetic. That's really interesting to watch.

• 46:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:35Dax Shepard?

  It is.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  It's a tricky.

• 46:37Dax Shepard?

  It is a hard, yeah, you can't really say hard and fast. It really comes down to like, how good is the person? I don't know, Sean Penn, apparently is not a walk in the park.

• 46:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, like I've met him personally, and so I've always had a nice thing with him personally, but I've never worked with him. I know he's probably quite intense.

• 46:51Dax Shepard?

  I just happened to read this thing about the moment he got his Oscar and he said, look, I know I've made it really hard for you guys to like me. It was his own self-awareness. For him to do what he does, which I can't do, it's uncomfortable for him. And when people are uncomfortable, they don't act their best.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, a lot of insecurity too, right? Comes with acting sometimes because people, they're so tormented and then they're so insecure about their performance or what they're doing, then then they overcompensate with this confidence or fake bravado and then it, it's an ugly sort of cycle because you're like, hey, man, just be nice and cool.

• 47:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:29Speaker 02

  Just be cool. Let's just all just be nice.

• 47:30Dax Shepard?

  And yeah, it's a scary job. You could embarrass yourself every time they say action and that could be on a huge screen that everyone could watch. Let's all acknowledge, yeah, it's a very vulnerable, embarrassing endeavor. How will we navigate it? Were you in love with Brad Pitt like I am?

• 47:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. He's the best. Consument pro. You're watching performances, you're lost watching them. While it's happening, you're like, oh, fuck, I have a line coming up.

• 47:58Dax Shepard?

  I'm just watching fucking this movie.

• 47:59Speaker 02

  It's so good. You can't, it's unbelievable. And then he's the nicest guy on top of it and just a total pro. Brad's great.

• 48:07Dax Shepard?

  Can I ask about your girlfriend?

• 48:08Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 48:09Dax Shepard?

  How long were you guys together?

• 48:11Speaker 02

  Well, are you talking about my girlfriend passed away?

• 48:13Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  Uh, we were together for three or four years.

• 48:18Dax Shepard?

  This is one of the craziest ways I've ever heard someone's died. Is her airbag went off and it was defective?

• 48:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I had a recall on the airbag and, and what would have been a fender bender. Probably most people would survive. Yeah, she, she was essentially shot by the airbag.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  Oh, my god. That's horrifying.

• 48:42Dax Shepard?

  And

• 48:43Speaker 01

  So sad.

• 48:43Dax Shepard?

  How are you juggling what I would imagine, like for me, if I were you at 28?

• 48:49Speaker 02

  That sounds about right.

• 48:50Dax Shepard?

  You just finished Fury.

• 48:52Speaker 02

  I was on another film set at the time and as you know, being on a film set when someone passes or something happens, it's really tough. And this had happened before, actually. I had lost Paul Walker on Fury and he was one of my

• 49:06Dax Shepard?

  Oh, you guys were.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, close friends. When you're on a film set, you don't have time to grieve because the show must go on.

• 49:14Dax Shepard?

  You might be shooting the happiest scene your character has an hour after you hear this.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. So you can't fly home. You're stuck. You've got to work. I got the call actually during a filming day. And I think I did a classic defense mechanism, just punt that to later.

• 49:32Dax Shepard?

  Compartmentalize.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  Compartmentalize that to later.

• 49:34Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, that's gonna be miserable. Then we're gonna deal with that at some point that's not today.

• 49:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, brutal having to deal with that and then not being able to go through that. I grieve later. And that's not a great thing because I think you do want to grieve with the people that are around that you didn't know that were part of their lives as well.

• 49:52Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  That's like an important part of the grieving process.

• 49:55Dax Shepard?

  I agree. It's kind of the sweetest, nicest part. And then you go to the funeral and you think that's gonna be miserable. It was like, no, you see all these people that are dealing with the same thing. It can be weirdly beautiful if you get to do that part.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I never got to do it. I think I compartmentalized it so much, I couldn't go to the, I don't actually remember if I couldn't because of filming or if I just completely blacked it out, but I had to process that grief later. That was tough.

• 50:19Dax Shepard?

  If I were you and I was in that situation, there'd be some interesting balance between having just done Fury on a set. Things are finally going great. And I would have been like, oh, right, yeah, I don't get to have anything great. Like the shoe's gonna drop and here it is. Do you have the kind of shoe's gonna always drop mentality?

• 50:36Speaker 02

  No, not anymore. Maybe with my parents a little bit because they're older. And that does scare me, being on a film set and having to deal with that. You know, I don't think people talk enough, like, you know, you know, you could be in a hotel room across the globe. It's a lonely endeavor, right? It's not always, people see on the thing and they go, well, that's amazing. Oh, my gosh. But it's months sometimes of living out of a hotel room and it's like that. And then you combine what happens in real life because people die and pass and you miss things. It's tough.

• 51:12Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, the thing that started getting to me about it was I felt like, well, A, it was so fun for a while. I just loved going out of town. I love the bubble. I love the anonymity. I love that I don't have to deal with any of my problems for two months. Like, that's all the upside. That's very attractive. But I kept feeling like, oh, I'm just hitting pause on my life all the time. It's like I'm taking these two and three month pauses where my real life can't really grow and exist and have roots and propel forward because I've hit pause.

• 51:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're missing people's birthdays, weddings. You're missing kids' graduation from high school. You're missing all the things of life. So there is a toll you pay for doing that and having this, call it fantasy pause thing.

• 51:58Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 51:58Speaker 02

  But you do pay for it.

• 52:00Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it's a very punctuated existence.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  And then there's like the slowdown too, which I find can be, if you're not careful and you don't stay, for me, I gotta stay busy. I gotta stay active. I gotta stay moving and doing things. The heightness of being on set and everything's happening. Go, go, go, go, go.

• 52:17Dax Shepard?

  Apparently, like you're pretending right now you're getting ambushed by Nazis during the day. It's pretty heightened.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  Pretty heightened.

• 52:23Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, in this movie.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  Oh, in this movie, yeah.

• 52:25Dax Shepard?

  Did you at all wrestle, another thing that might have happened to me is if you took my girlfriend from me at three years, I might have idealized that and made that something that really kind of no one could compete with because it was taken and I don't know where it was gonna go. So I just think in the absence or when something's taken from you like that, did that mess with you at all?

• 52:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, losing somebody. When you're that intimate with them and you think they're just an incredible person and you admire them and you share time with that person, it's always tough. I have lost a lot of people in my life. I lost a pretty good friend in my late, late teens. I've just lost a lot of people.

• 53:13Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 53:13Speaker 02

  Maybe I've become better at accepting life and death because I've gone through it a few times.

• 53:19Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 53:20Speaker 02

  I don't know if I answered that question.

• 53:21Dax Shepard?

  You did. I just think when relationships don't run their natural course, that's confusing.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  It's confusing. I probably put a wall up.

• 53:29Dax Shepard?

  Or they end not because of a reason you would have picked, but they had to end. They can become just a little abstract in your mind.

• 53:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. And will anyone ever be that?

• 53:38Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, unfinished business. Maybe a little delusion about it, I think, as well.

• 53:43Speaker 02

  The mind's got like a very powerful way of remembering.

• 53:46Dax Shepard?

  All the nice parts.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  All the nice parts.

• 53:48Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you're kind of forgetting, if I died, my wife will forget I clear my throat every nine minutes. In a year, she'll forget I did that.

• 53:55Speaker 02

  And she wants to kill you right now.

• 53:57Dax Shepard?

  Hasn't yet, but yeah.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  Or no, really what happens is she'll remember it and just be like, I miss it. I mean, that's what, that's what will happen.

• 54:06Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, she convinced herself she liked the throat clearing.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  Well, sometimes I do that when I'm around my parents and they're driving me nuts. I do say like, I'm gonna miss this one day.

• 54:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  So it's like, good to remind yourself in those moments.

• 54:19Speaker 02

  I don't know how you feel about ghosts or if you believe in them at all. I probably for years was like, that's not a thing.

• 54:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  But I got to go to a healer in Bali and have an experience only summarized by it was an out of body experience with the people I have lost.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 54:44Speaker 02

  And I would recommend her to anyone and everyone that is planning going there. You have to book her out because she's very in demand, but it is an incredible out of body experience. So I feel like I've gotten to see some of the people from my past.

• 54:59Dax Shepard?

  Is the experience a joyful experience? Or is it more of a peace of mind experience? Like, oh, good, they're still floating around. Like, what is the takeaway?

• 55:10Speaker 02

  I think both of those things. It's highly emotional. It's most clear headed, but also the most lucid you've ever been. It's hard to.

• 55:17Dax Shepard?

  Shrooms and coke at the same time?

• 55:19Speaker 02

  Zero. Nothing.

• 55:20Dax Shepard?

  No, no, I mean.

• 55:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 55:22Dax Shepard?

  Comparing the experiences.

• 55:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. More powerful than any drug.

• 55:25Speaker 01

  Whoa, and there's no drugs involved?

• 55:27Speaker 02

  Zero drugs.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 55:29Speaker 02

  Zero drugs. And I feel always woo woo, like telling people about it, but I'm like, people have to understand, people have to get to experience this because it's so beautiful. We're gonna get you to go. Have you been to Bali?

• 55:40Dax Shepard?

  One time with my mom.

• 55:42Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 55:43Dax Shepard?

  I'd like to go as a grown up big boy.

• 55:45Speaker 01

  You should go.

• 55:46Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 55:46Speaker 01

  You can see your dad if you go.

• 55:48Dax Shepard?

  Oh, I would love that. I really would love that.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  If you want, I'll get.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  That's amazing.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  It's extremely powerful.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 55:57Dax Shepard?

  Now that you said that, I'm intrigued.

• 55:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I want to apologize.

• 56:01Speaker 01

  You get some peace and closure. Are you conversing or it's like more, I mean, maybe you can't even put into words really.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  You have to experience it.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  Okay, wow. That's incredible. That's incredible. I'm glad you've got that.

• 56:14Speaker 02

  It's a great lesson for people listening, right? That's like, say the thing you want to say, pick up the phone, tell them you love them, even if you're in a fight or pissed off. They ain't gonna be around forever. And that might be a regret.

• 56:26Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, the math you don't do is like, oh, I'm gonna be living long after and I will live with all those decisions.

• 56:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:33Dax Shepard?

  Okay, this is just a full circle thing that I must acknowledge because I have been telling my daughters for seven years that the song Wildest Dreams is about me.

• 56:44Dax Shepard?

  Then we interview Alexander Skarsgård and I found out, my God, that song's actually about him.

• 56:49Speaker 02

  Really?

• 56:50Dax Shepard?

  I mean, yeah, that's what that song is about.

• 56:52Speaker 01

  That's the lore.

• 56:53Speaker 02

  Did they date?

• 56:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 56:54Dax Shepard?

  They had a dust up, like you and Shia.

• 56:57Speaker 01

  No.

• 56:57Dax Shepard?

  But it wasn't broken up by Brad Pitt.

• 56:59Speaker 01

  They had a happy dust up, not a bad dust up.

• 57:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, she wrote a song about him.

• 57:03Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 57:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 57:05Dax Shepard?

  He's so tall and handsome as hell. I'm surprised when you did the video, she didn't like go, hey, by the way, you're playing Alexander Skarsgård, so you can be as tall as possible.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  Stand up a little bit more.

• 57:15Speaker 01

  He spoke very highly of her.

• 57:17Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah. But anyways, what full circle, so I finally met who it was actually about. And now I'm meeting you, who was in the video.

• 57:24Speaker 02

  In the video, yeah. How do you know it wasn't about me?

• 57:26Speaker 01

  Well, exactly. It seems like you're lowering on her.

• 57:28Dax Shepard?

  Because this song predates the video. I could figure that out.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, busted.

• 57:31Dax Shepard?

  Although it could have been a romance and she wrote a song about you and then she cast you.

• 57:34Speaker 02

  Exactly. She did cast me.

• 57:36Speaker 01

  Are you here to break the news? Is this the moment?

• 57:39Dax Shepard?

  Is this the fire you want to play with?

• 57:41Speaker 02

  It's almost the moment, but it's not quite.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  Okay, you let us know when you're ready.

• 57:44Dax Shepard?

  You recognize the stakes of that.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, that's the thing, right? The stakes of even dating Taylor Swift is you could have a song written about you.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 57:53Dax Shepard?

  And you could have the Swifties love or hate you forever until the end of time.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 57:57Dax Shepard?

  And if you take a red scarf or something, whatever the line is, you are enemy number one.

• 58:04Dax Shepard?

  How did you get that?

• 58:06Speaker 02

  She just picked up the phone and called me.

• 58:07Dax Shepard?

  She did?

• 58:08Speaker 02

  She did.

• 58:09Dax Shepard?

  And did she say to you, oh, I saw you in blank?

• 58:11Speaker 02

  Well, first off, she called, I had no pre-warning. You know, a lot of times people are like, hey, somebody wants to call you. And then they call you and you're like, okay, I'll take that call. She was like, hey, this is Taylor Swift.

• 58:24Speaker 01

  It's like unknown number, like what?

• 58:26Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 58:28Dax Shepard?

  Wow, what a call to give it.

• 58:30Speaker 01

  So cool. Yeah, exactly.

• 58:31Dax Shepard?

  I might need to FaceTime.

• 58:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was intrigued because of the creative behind the video mostly too. She wanted to do like an out of Africa type thing, right? It was like this cinematic film, the music industry, they don't do that anymore. It's not the nineties and we don't have these big sort of videos. There's only a couple artists like Taylor Swift that you can do that or afford to make these sort of things. And then I remember telling my agents and none of them wanted me to, they were like, this is a bad idea.

• 59:00Dax Shepard?

  It seemed like a vertical step.

• 59:01Speaker 02

  No, they were like, do not do a Taylor Swift music video. And I said, nah, you know, I don't agree. Think that she's cool and she has a really cool idea for this thing. And I said, I think it's a cool creative thing.

• 59:14Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 59:15Speaker 02

  Let's do it.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  Good for you. That would have been a regret.

• 59:18Dax Shepard?

  Did you hang with her on set and stuff?

• 59:20Speaker 02

  I did.

• 59:21Dax Shepard?

  And did you enjoy her company?

• 59:22Speaker 02

  She's amazing.

• 59:23Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, she's a monster, man. I'm in awe of her. She's incredible. How many fasts have you done? Two, three?

• 59:30Speaker 02

  I've been in two.

• 59:31Dax Shepard?

  You've been in two?

• 59:31Speaker 02

  Fast and Furiouses.

• 59:32Dax Shepard?

  Is there another one coming?

• 59:34Speaker 02

  So they say.

• 59:35Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 59:36Dax Shepard?

  That would be Fast 11?

• 59:38Speaker 02

  Maybe Fast 10 part dose.

• 59:41Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay.

• 59:42Speaker 02

  Is that 11?

• 59:43Dax Shepard?

  Wait, you didn't meet Paul on that?

• 59:45Speaker 02

  No, I knew Paul since I was probably like when I was 18, 17, 18.

• 59:49Dax Shepard?

  From surfing?

• 59:50Speaker 02

  Surfing, jujitsu. We were just kind of brothers. He was like a mentor to me. He was like a big brother. He just was like a great mentor to me in the business, in life. We would go surf the Channel Islands together a lot. We would go down to Mexico and surf. And then it was post when he died that I came in and did this thing for Fast. So it was very nostalgic.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  Oh, that's lovely.

• 1:00:11Dax Shepard?

  What's that set like?

• 1:00:16Speaker 02

  Big.

• 1:00:17Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

  Lot of personalities.

• 1:00:20Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, a lot of personalities. They've been doing it for like, what, 25, 30 years now? It's a very unique property.

• 1:00:26Speaker 02

  Very unique.

• 1:00:27Dax Shepard?

  Vin Diesel, no disrespect, he's an enormous movie star. I mean, probably like the highest paid movies are other than Downey, yet he's only in those movies.

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  Those are his thing.

• 1:00:36Dax Shepard?

  He's in like a TV show.

• 1:00:38Speaker 02

  Episodic TV.

• 1:00:39Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  Biggest.

• 1:00:41Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, every episode's a billion dollars.

• 1:00:43Speaker 01

  How lucky to get a job like that.

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  One character for 30 years and you make like 500 million dollars off of it.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. Knock on wood. That's coming, you know?

• 1:00:55Dax Shepard?

  How do you do? How do you do with all the alpha energy?

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  I'm good with it. I don't try to, I just say.

• 1:01:01Dax Shepard?

  Lock horns, you stick out of it.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  You guys do whatever you're gonna do.

• 1:01:04Dax Shepard?

  I'll be where you need me, when you need me.

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  When this little dust up is over. I'll be here on set, hanging out.

• 1:01:14Dax Shepard?

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• 1:03:18Speaker 01

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• 1:03:29Dax Shepard?

  That's the dream. You just described one of my ideal fall nights.

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• 1:03:49Dax Shepard?

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• 1:04:00Dax Shepard?

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• 1:04:27Dax Shepard?

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• 1:06:09Dax Shepard?

  Okay, Lucky Strike, this is your second movie with this guy, Rod Lorry?

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, Rod Lorry.

• 1:06:14Dax Shepard?

  Tell me about him. Why is he making only war movies?

• 1:06:17Speaker 02

  You know, Rod started out in the eighties or nineties as a filmmaker. I don't know if you remember movies like The Contender, Nothing But The Truth, but these were movies at the time in the nineties. He really likes boxing, politics, and war. Those are, I think, like the three things, maybe football, right? So you'd tell what you know. At the time, he would put up for like one of these movies were gonna win an Oscar. Steven Spielberg was like, this is the guy. And, you know, he made some great movies. And then like any director, you know, you get cold in the business.

• 1:06:51Dax Shepard?

  You go to jail for a minute.

• 1:06:52Speaker 02

  You go to director jail.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  Thank you for clarifying that. Like he went to jail, that sucks.

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  He went to jail.

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  Director jail is a little different.

• 1:07:00Dax Shepard?

  We had any overlap when I was in there for the chips.

• 1:07:02Speaker 02

  Chips jail. You know, he stayed a great writer and he's come back kind of as a director. And I worked with him on The Outpost, which is a good film. It was a big bummer because that film came out in 2020.

• 1:07:15Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:16Speaker 02

  In March 2020.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  Oops. Yeah. And I remember actually, I was in Australia and I flew home because our movie got into South by Southwest and was premiering opening night.

• 1:07:29Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, baby.

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  And it was a good movie. It was a good movie. True story, two Medal of Honor winners.

• 1:07:36Dax Shepard?

  In Afghanistan?

• 1:07:38Speaker 02

  Yep, Afghanistan. And we got so screwed. I remember getting all the ding ding ding ding ding ding as you get off the plane. And it was like, the festival's canceled. And I was like, what do you mean the festival's canceled? That's insane. Why? Like, what do you mean? Have you been living under a rock? And I'm like, what do you mean?

• 1:07:55Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:56Speaker 02

  And they're like, yeah, there's this thing called COVID.

• 1:07:57Dax Shepard?

  They shut it down.

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  They shut it down.

• 1:07:59Dax Shepard?

  And it became a sleeper hit on VOD.

• 1:08:01Speaker 02

  It did. I really liked working with Rod. And actually, it was a funny story because I had done a few war movies. When he offered this movie Lucky Strike to me, he started with, it's a World War II. I said, ah, ah, ah, let me stop you right there. I've done my tours.

• 1:08:16Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  Okay, I've done the Pacific. I did tank movie in Europe. I've done Afghanistan now. I said, I'm done. I'm done for a while. I gotta take a break. I'm not gonna do any more war movies for a minute. And then he said, I think you should read it. And I said, no, no, I'm good. Thank you. I said, I wish you the best. Vaya con Dios. Please find the next guy who can do this. He'll do it better than I will. And then about three weeks go by and my agent calls me and says, hey, man, I think you should really read this Lucky Strike. It's really good. I said, really? I gotta read this? Okay. I said, I'm gonna read it and then I'm gonna like it and then I'm gonna do.

• 1:08:50Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:08:51Speaker 02

  And I read it and it's great.

• 1:08:54Dax Shepard?

  Then you shipped off to, where'd you guys shoot that?

• 1:08:57Speaker 02

  We shot that in Bulgaria.

• 1:08:58Dax Shepard?

  Bulgaria. Appropriate because it's about the Battle of the Bulge. And we almost have Bulgaria in there. Do you like that?

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  I did.

• 1:09:06Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, thank you. I made all that work.

• 1:09:08Speaker 02

  Alliteration with B.

• 1:09:10Dax Shepard?

  And G. Yeah, so it's set in World War II, December 1944. The war's coming to a close-ish.

• 1:09:18Speaker 02

  Coming to a close-ish. I mean, everyone was, I think, kind of like, this was the last push. We got the Nazis on the ropes. We need to make one last push. It was going into winter, which typically, I don't think even Ukraine and Russia are fighting. And those guys don't fight during winter.

• 1:09:33Dax Shepard?

  They don't even know it's winter.

• 1:09:34Speaker 02

  They don't even fight during winter. It was last push. We gotta keep going forward. It was just pre-Battle of the Bulge. It's a story about a whole group of guys that got wiped out and there was one sole survivor that got trapped behind enemy lines for three or four days. And I don't want to give away too much.

• 1:09:51Dax Shepard?

  It's a true story, right?

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  It is. Our producer, Mark Friedman, who's a lovely French guy, who was living in France, he's older gentleman, but he was living there post-World War II. And he interviewed a bunch of guys, he was a writer, and he took down this account, this incredible account of, of a soldier's experience behind enemy lines on the French-Belgian border. I don't want to say too much.

• 1:10:17Dax Shepard?

  Well, I think what's relevant is, yeah, your unit gets ambushed and killed. And you have a radio, you have, this is a Motorola, it's brand new, right?

• 1:10:26Speaker 02

  It's true. It was brand new technology for the time.

• 1:10:28Dax Shepard?

  And you call in and they go, great, we're also under heavy fire. Your extraction point or where you should meet up with us is 30 kilometers away, which is 18 miles. And it's in the mountains in snow. Yeah, fucking World War II, dude. Like even your clothes suck.

• 1:10:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:47Dax Shepard?

  I watched it last night and I'm like, not good enough clothes to be fighting in the winter.

• 1:10:54Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:10:54Dax Shepard?

  You know, like we have Gore-Tex now, we have all these waterproof, you're just in like fucking cotton.

• 1:10:59Speaker 02

  Cotton, just everything's wet.

• 1:11:01Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:02Speaker 02

  Cold and wet.

• 1:11:03Dax Shepard?

  You got half gloves on, but those are useless. Was it freezing where you were actually shooting?

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  It was. I had made a promise, by the way, to go back to why I told Rod, no, I'm not doing this movie. I made a promise, I was not doing another movie in Bulgaria, especially fucking winter.

• 1:11:21Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:22Speaker 01

  God, you broke all your promises.

• 1:11:24Speaker 02

  I broke all my promises.

• 1:11:25Dax Shepard?

  I don't even want to do a summer movie.

• 1:11:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think I'm probably good, yeah.

• 1:11:30Speaker 02

  It was going straight to deployment daily to the mountains, shooting. And it just was endure the suck, as they say.

• 1:11:38Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you're crawling up mountains on your hands and knees. You're flying off shit. You're getting more and more injured throughout the whole thing, more crawling.

• 1:11:48Speaker 02

  More cold. I did find silver lining, and you always do. Anytime you're telling stories where people died and sacrificed themselves for our country, it comes with like a heavier weight. And I also find that they might not be making World War Two movies in 20 years from now. We actually don't even have half the equipment anymore to make them with. Everything is either broken, you can't find it. It's harder and harder to make these movies. So, you know, I'm like, okay, this might be the last time I ever do a World War Two movie. Let's pay it some respect.

• 1:12:19Dax Shepard?

  Let's honor that.

• 1:12:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, let's honor that.

• 1:12:20Dax Shepard?

  I was thinking that a lot during that. I'm like, okay, 1944, 18 years away from it being 100 years.

• 1:12:26Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 1:12:27Dax Shepard?

  And for me, World War Two is very alive because both my grandpa, my mom's side was in the Battle of the Bulge. He ran transmission wire. My other grandpa was in the Pacific. So it was like, World War Two is a thing, dude. My grandparents were in it. They told me stories, I saw pictures, but certainly, yeah, no one now. Now it's gonna be a war like we think of the Revolutionary War. Like, we never met anyone from then.

• 1:12:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, what?

• 1:12:49Dax Shepard?

  Is that even real? It's just in history books. So, yeah, I think you're right. I was having that thought, like, I wonder how many more World War Two movies there'll be before people are like, I don't know, that war was a trillion years ago.

• 1:13:00Speaker 02

  Tough times and hard, hard people. I feel like we've gotten away from that because we have such good times in this country because of what they did.

• 1:13:10Dax Shepard?

  Well, I loved it. I watched it and I like a war movie, man. I spend the entire time going like, could I do, would I do it? You're just evaluating the whole time like, yeah, would I keep going?

• 1:13:19Speaker 02

  Looks hard.

• 1:13:20Dax Shepard?

  It's kind of unimaginable.

• 1:13:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:21Dax Shepard?

  You've got a pretty sweet Sprinter van?

• 1:13:24Speaker 02

  I don't.

• 1:13:25Dax Shepard?

  You don't have that?

• 1:13:26Speaker 02

  No, I had a Airstream.

• 1:13:29Dax Shepard?

  Oh, you had an Airstream?

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  I had an Airstream in the same trailer park that Matthew McConaughey.

• 1:13:34Dax Shepard?

  In Malibu?

• 1:13:35Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:13:35Dax Shepard?

  Oh.

• 1:13:36Speaker 02

  In Texas.

• 1:13:36Dax Shepard?

  Oh, in Texas?

• 1:13:37Speaker 02

  In Texas, on Barton Springs.

• 1:13:39Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 1:13:40Dax Shepard?

  Not directly across from Black, but close?

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  Close to Terry Black's.

• 1:13:44Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, okay, I know it well, and I've eyed it like a dozen times to see if, I'm trying to figure out if I could pull my tour bus in there if it's big enough for that. Were there any 45 footers in there?

• 1:13:54Speaker 02

  Hmm, mine was 33 feet. I know there was bigger tour buses in there.

• 1:13:57Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:13:58Speaker 02

  The hard part is getting a spot. And now they do have nightly spots, they do reserve that you can get in there.

• 1:14:03Dax Shepard?

  That's what I was looking at doing.

• 1:14:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:07Dax Shepard?

  What is it, Monica?

• 1:14:08Speaker 01

  Nothing. That's obsessed with Barton Springs and Matthew McConaughey and.

• 1:14:13Dax Shepard?

  And our V live seems like a problem.

• 1:14:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, all the things you just said was like.

• 1:14:16Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I live at Barton Springs when I'm there. Do you love it?

• 1:14:19Speaker 02

  I do love it. It's a little busy for me.

• 1:14:22Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:14:23Speaker 02

  Where I would just go up to a buddy's house on the lake. They call it the river.

• 1:14:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, Lake Austin.

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  Lake Austin. It's actually the Colorado River.

• 1:14:30Dax Shepard?

  That's right.

• 1:14:31Speaker 02

  So I would just go do that in the same water.

• 1:14:35Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:35Speaker 02

  More or less.

• 1:14:35Dax Shepard?

  Well, to spring, it's always 69 degrees.

• 1:14:39Speaker 02

  It's true.

• 1:14:40Dax Shepard?

  A lot more to look at there.

• 1:14:42Speaker 02

  There is, it is actually, it is beautiful. I would try to go earlier or late, just because it's so packed sometimes.

• 1:14:48Dax Shepard?

  Burning Man? Yep, I saw some photos of Burning Man.

• 1:14:51Speaker 02

  Done that a few times.

• 1:14:52Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, how's that? I have great interest in going. Did you do it the like fancy way? That's what I would want to do.

• 1:14:58Speaker 02

  I've done it both. The first time I did it was the very fancy private plane to another private plane.

• 1:15:04Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:05Speaker 02

  Landing on the desert with a car right to your thing. Very cool.

• 1:15:09Dax Shepard?

  How do I get that experience? Can you hook me up with whoever you call?

• 1:15:13Speaker 02

  Done, you're in.

• 1:15:13Dax Shepard?

  Is it Taylor Swift? Does she have to call me?

• 1:15:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if Taylor Swift's been.

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  I'm gonna guess no.

• 1:15:21Dax Shepard?

  And then you've done the tent version?

• 1:15:23Speaker 02

  Not the tent.

• 1:15:23Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:15:24Speaker 02

  But we did the drive in, like, hey, we're gonna do the whole thing, a whole week. Which might have been a little ambitious. Might have been a little much Burning Man.

• 1:15:34Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, what's the right dosage of Burning Man, like three days?

• 1:15:36Speaker 02

  I think three days, but I think it's two nights. You leave end of third day.

• 1:15:42Dax Shepard?

  Perfect, okay, good tip, good tip.

• 1:15:44Speaker 02

  The real burners would like shoot me for saying that.

• 1:15:46Dax Shepard?

  Yo, I know, there's a lot.

• 1:15:48Speaker 02

  Shoot away.

• 1:15:48Dax Shepard?

  And then jujitsu. How long you been doing jujitsu?

• 1:15:52Speaker 02

  Man, since I was in my early twenties, 22, 23.

• 1:15:56Dax Shepard?

  Are you a black belt?

• 1:15:57Speaker 02

  I haven't got my black belt yet.

• 1:15:58Dax Shepard?

  You haven't got your black, your real belt, okay, okay, okay.

• 1:16:01Speaker 02

  It's a long time. Yeah, they're kind of asking. I've sort of dodged and weaved. It's funny, it's like the longer you do it, you realize the more you don't know. And it's just like anything, you're like, you still feel like a beginner, no matter what level you're at, because there's very different levels of black belts. And you're like, oh, man, that's just like a permission to still learn. And the guy I trained under for the last 20 years, Nelson Montiero, he's a coral belt. And he's 60 years old and he's ripped and he will fuck you up. And his name and his legacy, he wants only the best.

• 1:16:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:43Speaker 02

  All these guys, any of the guys, the Machado brothers, any of these guys, it's the same thing. It's like, they're not gonna give you something you haven't earned.

• 1:16:51Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, if you're representing the Gracie family, you better be fucking good.

• 1:16:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:54Dax Shepard?

  Is this how you broke your ankle before Outpost?

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  No, no, I didn't.

• 1:16:58Dax Shepard?

  That a drinking accident?

• 1:17:01Dax Shepard?

  I think that might have been a drinking accident.

• 1:17:03Speaker 01

  Those are the best times.

• 1:17:05Speaker 02

  I don't know what he's talking about.

• 1:17:09Speaker 01

  Oh, no, was it like a bird scooter?

• 1:17:11Speaker 02

  Ooh, is that what the, I'm gonna let you guys.

• 1:17:14Dax Shepard?

  People get hammered and drive scooters around and then they wake up and they need an MCL.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  It happened to our friend.

• 1:17:20Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, shitfaced.

• 1:17:21Speaker 01

  She was drunk on a bird scooter and yeah.

• 1:17:23Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, so it's like, oh, I've never been on a scooter. Let's go for the first, let's go 30 miles an hour for the first time, hammered. It's a very common decision.

• 1:17:31Speaker 02

  Smart decision.

• 1:17:31Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, how'd you break your ankle?

• 1:17:33Speaker 02

  How did I break my ankle?

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  This is a big, this is the most secretive you've been this whole interview.

• 1:17:39Speaker 02

  I love it. This is our scoop, how we broke his ankle.

• 1:17:41Dax Shepard?

  It's a long time ago. Here's the thing about divulging too much about that.

• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  Is dad broke his ankle?

• 1:17:48Dax Shepard?

  There we go. There it is.

• 1:17:51Speaker 01

  No, what were you gonna say?

• 1:17:53Speaker 02

  Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. That little incident shut down the movie for a while, but we got it back on track and we made the movie. That's what matters most.

• 1:18:04Dax Shepard?

  What matters is by the end of the movie, you were able to run on it for a few scenes.

• 1:18:08Speaker 02

  For a few scenes. It kind of screwed up the director's vision.

• 1:18:11Dax Shepard?

  You fall off a staircase?

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Are there legal ramifications for telling us? There just might be.

• 1:18:18Speaker 02

  You are saying a lot. I'm not saying any of those things.

• 1:18:23Dax Shepard?

  How abstract. We've interviewed a lot of people that are gorgeous and it varies. I'm being serious.

• 1:18:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:32Dax Shepard?

  Many of them are convinced they're not good looking, sincerely.

• 1:18:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:36Dax Shepard?

  Famously, he told it on here, but like Bradley Cooper, when he got nominated for Sexiest, or not nominated, when he won Sexiest Man Alive.

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  Won.

• 1:18:44Dax Shepard?

  He won.

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  He won it.

• 1:18:46Dax Shepard?

  He fought and won. He really thought that there was like a bit afoot, like.

• 1:18:52Speaker 02

  It was a joke.

• 1:18:53Dax Shepard?

  They're fucking with me.

• 1:18:54Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 1:18:55Dax Shepard?

  And I'm like, Cooper, how many girls need to want to fuck you before you.

• 1:18:59Speaker 01

  I know, it's true.

• 1:19:00Dax Shepard?

  Recognize that that was like warrants it. Yeah, what is your relationship with this being handsome?

• 1:19:07Speaker 02

  When people say it, I think I get them like.

• 1:19:10Dax Shepard?

  Uncomfortable?

• 1:19:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, it's calling me handsome, like, well, thank you, that's nice, but I also don't take compliments well in general.

• 1:19:17Dax Shepard?

  Noticed that, yeah.

• 1:19:18Speaker 02

  My dad and I both don't take compliments well. We're like, okay, great, but we gotta go to work. So thanks for all that, we're gonna go make a movie.

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  You're allergic to indulgence, it seems.

• 1:19:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, we don't do that.

• 1:19:28Dax Shepard?

  But there's a few different motivations for that. Like, one is, I don't feel worthy of that compliment. I don't connect with that compliment, right?

• 1:19:38Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:19:38Dax Shepard?

  There is like, it doesn't do anything for you. I don't feel better because you said this.

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:44Dax Shepard?

  So it's kind of pointless.

• 1:19:46Speaker 02

  I guess because you can't control how you look, but you can control how you affect people, what you put out there in the universe, whether you do good, whether you create art. So that sort of stuff, I think if someone said, hey, I watched your movie, it really affected me, I lost a father, or I connected with this, I felt some sort of.

• 1:20:08Dax Shepard?

  You felt less alone.

• 1:20:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, whatever, or made me laugh, shit, who cares?

• 1:20:12Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:12Speaker 02

  That's more interesting to me. And I say, oh, my God, I'm so glad that affected you. I'm so glad we could do something that made your life better. That's more interesting of a compliment to me than, hey, you're so.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, because you're like, I didn't earn it.

• 1:20:25Dax Shepard?

  That's why I want to ask, because I think it's complicated, because everyone in the world would love to be beautiful, right?

• 1:20:31Speaker 02

  But you know, you know, being famous, you're like a zoo animal. After a while, you're like, why is everyone looking at me? Oh, I forgot, I'm a famous person. You're like, yeah, it feels odd, you know, you're like, yeah, quite just relax when you're in public, because you're like, oh, shit, what if I say something and they're listening? You know, there's a lot of complicated, I always tell people, they're like, you know, everyone wants to be famous, but you don't want to be famous, want to be rich.

• 1:20:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:20:54Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:20:55Speaker 02

  Who doesn't want to be rich, you know, and not have to worry about where you're gonna get your next sandwich from?

• 1:20:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  But being famous, that's not really.

• 1:21:02Dax Shepard?

  That's the famous Bill Murray quote, if you're thinking about becoming rich and famous, I recommend the rich part.

• 1:21:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:08Dax Shepard?

  You'd also already been disillusioned, let's be honest.

• 1:21:11Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:21:11Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you'd already watched in your home the impact of that.

• 1:21:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, saw the bullshit. My dad could never sit down for dinner and have a meal without 100 people coming up to him. He's very gracious, but at the same time, it does wear on you at some point, because you're like, I'm having a meal with my family, there's a price you pay. Like you said, you saw the bullshit on the other side of it.

• 1:21:32Dax Shepard?

  Also, you know, you kind of look like, it hit me a few times in the movie last night and then it hit me, it's hitting me here on the couch.

• 1:21:37Speaker 01

  Let's say it on three.

• 1:21:38Dax Shepard?

  Oh, that would be fun. Will you count to three? But three, two, one, then we say it.

• 1:21:42Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:21:42Speaker 02

  Okay. Three, two, one.

• 1:21:46Dax Shepard?

  Anthony Star.

• 1:21:49Dax Shepard?

  We didn't even get yours.

• 1:21:50Speaker 01

  Mine was Taran Egerton.

• 1:21:54Speaker 01

  I think you look a lot like him.

• 1:21:55Dax Shepard?

  Okay. Both are very attractive.

• 1:21:57Speaker 01

  Who'd you say?

• 1:21:57Dax Shepard?

  I said Anthony Starr, Tony Starr from The Boys, Homelander. Have you ever gotten Homelander? No. Do you watch The Boys? I do watch The Boys. Well, I've I watched it, yeah. Fucking great, right?

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  You don't get either of these.

• 1:22:10Dax Shepard?

  And he's a, he's a beast. He's a beast. He's a talented motherfucker. He's a bad one. He's Homelander, the big Superman character. The big guy. The big bad one. Well, Scott, this has been a blast. I love Lucky Strike. If you love horror movies, you're gonna fucking love this. It comes out June 26 nationwide. And I guess, did you travel here for this? Or are you on a little tour?

• 1:22:30Speaker 02

  I'm doing a bunch of stuff. Yeah, I've got to leave the East Coast to go do press and make my rounds.

• 1:22:36Dax Shepard?

  Okay, well, it was a delight to meet you.

• 1:22:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, thanks for coming.

• 1:22:39Dax Shepard?

  This has been great. Good luck with the movie and we'll see you again when you do Fast 11.

• 1:22:44Speaker 02

  I brought you guys some stuff.

• 1:22:46Dax Shepard?

  You don't, you don't strike me as the kind of guy that would bring something.

• 1:22:49Speaker 02

  No, no, no, we've got this supplement company, so. I got you guys both things.

• 1:22:55Dax Shepard?

  Oh, what does this supplement do for me? Obviously.

• 1:22:59Speaker 02

  Well, it's an all in one.

• 1:22:59Speaker 01

  Oh, I love it.

• 1:23:01Speaker 02

  North Performance.

• 1:23:02Dax Shepard?

  Why North Performance?

• 1:23:04Speaker 02

  It's find your north.

• 1:23:05Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay, like your North Star?

• 1:23:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:08Speaker 02

  So I don't know about you guys, but I take a ton of supplements and my very wealthy buddy got sick of doing it. And he was like, let's make it all in one.

• 1:23:16Dax Shepard?

  Oh, you got creatin in this bit?

• 1:23:18Speaker 01

  Oh, I love creatin.

• 1:23:19Speaker 02

  So you can get everything, you know, you don't forget. You're like, okay, one thing in the morning and then you're like, hit your foundation.

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:23:27Dax Shepard?

  I don't see tesamorlin in here or ipamorlin or SS31 or testosterone. Where are those?

• 1:23:36Speaker 02

  Those you gotta inject, my friend.

• 1:23:38Speaker 01

  He knows. He's doing it.

• 1:23:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:41Speaker 01

  Amazing, thank you.

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:43Dax Shepard?

  No problem. Just a quick reminder that as part of our summer break, here's a rerun of one of our favorite fact checks. Here we are. Welcome home.

• 1:23:54Speaker 01

  Back in the attic.

• 1:23:56Dax Shepard?

  Is your famous welcome home song?

• 1:23:58Speaker 01

  Welcome home.

• 1:23:59Dax Shepard?

  Welcome home.

• 1:24:05Dax Shepard?

  That's our cure all song.

• 1:24:06Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:24:07Speaker 03

  There's that Edward Sharp home song.

• 1:24:09Dax Shepard?

  How's that one go, Bobby?

• 1:24:10Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that song.

• 1:24:11Speaker 03

  I don't sing either.

• 1:24:13Dax Shepard?

  Well, home is where I, that's my naive melody, my favorite song of all time, Talking Heads. Which, by the way, this is fresh off the press. This is a couple hours old. Driving the kids to school this morning.

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:26Dax Shepard?

  And there is a new version of my very favorite song. This must be The Place by The Talking Heads. It's by Sure Sure. Can I play you two seconds of it?

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  Yes, please.

• 1:24:35Dax Shepard?

  It's an exciting version of it.

• 1:25:09Dax Shepard?

  I like that version, right?

• 1:25:11Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:25:12Dax Shepard?

  I mean, to me, you're really taking, you're like, you're rewriting the Bible for me on this one. You're remaking Godfather. This is a dangerous endeavor and they passed my test.

• 1:25:21Speaker 01

  Is very playful.

• 1:25:22Dax Shepard?

  Incredibly playful. You should even hear how it takes. I don't want to bore everyone with the entire song, but boy, does it take off the playfulness. Exciting.

• 1:25:31Speaker 03

  Ordered Calvin a banner that says, this must be the place yesterday for his bedroom.

• 1:25:36Dax Shepard?

  It's like a big camping banner. Bobby.

• 1:25:39Speaker 01

  What's a camping banner?

• 1:25:40Dax Shepard?

  Like your camp.

• 1:25:41Speaker 01

  A flag?

• 1:25:42Speaker 03

  It's like a flag.

• 1:25:42Speaker 01

  Okay, cute, cute.

• 1:25:44Dax Shepard?

  Like you declare like Camp Rascal, like that's the division.

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  That is Rob's camp.

• 1:25:49Dax Shepard?

  Of course it is. Camp Rascal.

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  Do you want to tell people about your pants? Speaking of rascals.

• 1:25:55Dax Shepard?

  I mean, I think you would be way better off describing my pants.

• 1:25:58Speaker 01

  Okay, so you bought some pants and you've, you've made an alteration yourself.

• 1:26:03Dax Shepard?

  I thought these pants were going to be like thin, summer, linen-y pants.

• 1:26:09Speaker 01

  Linen, okay.

• 1:26:10Dax Shepard?

  And when they came, they were so voluminous around the haunches and then up like mid cav at the end. They are crazy looking. I put these on, I was like, what do we do with these? And I had spent a good deal of money on them.

• 1:26:24Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:26:25Dax Shepard?

  So they were sitting, right?

• 1:26:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:27Dax Shepard?

  As they do with things I spend a lot of money on and I can't accept that I'm never gonna wear them.

• 1:26:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:32Dax Shepard?

  And then I think on Friday, I was like, let's cut a foot or two off these and see where we're at.

• 1:26:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:37Dax Shepard?

  And I did that and then I wore them all day Friday and I just love how they feel and they're either hideous looking on me or they work. I can't tell.

• 1:26:46Speaker 01

  No, I actually don't think it's, that's the either or.

• 1:26:49Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  Cause they're not hideous.

• 1:26:52Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:26:52Speaker 01

  And of course they work. They.

• 1:26:56Dax Shepard?

  Well, I mean, yes, they're covering my genitals. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:59Speaker 01

  But they are intriguing.

• 1:27:02Dax Shepard?

  They're one offs. I mean, they're an original.

• 1:27:04Speaker 01

  They are because they hit you at about, they're like culottes.

• 1:27:08Dax Shepard?

  Let me stand up. Let's get a real.

• 1:27:10Speaker 02

  Let's not guess. Okay, so it's about what, four inches below the knee, five inches?

• 1:27:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:16Speaker 02

  But it's definitely two thirds of the way up the cav and shin, maybe even three quarters of the way up.

• 1:27:22Speaker 01

  You know what you're doing?

• 1:27:24Dax Shepard?

  What?

• 1:27:24Speaker 01

  You're being Brad Pitt. You're being so out there with your fashion right now. And you even called it, you said, oh, I'm gonna be wearing skirts.

• 1:27:33Dax Shepard?

  I'm gonna be wearing skirts here in a minute.

• 1:27:34Speaker 01

  And that's it.

• 1:27:35Dax Shepard?

  I'm, you're right, I'm inching towards.

• 1:27:37Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:27:38Dax Shepard?

  I could in fact just have these seams opened up and maybe have them join.

• 1:27:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:43Dax Shepard?

  And have my first skirt.

• 1:27:45Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:27:47Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:27:48Speaker 01

  Cute.

• 1:27:49Dax Shepard?

  This might be the first iteration of this garment.

• 1:27:51Speaker 01

  I think so. It's definitely that billowy material that works for a skirt.

• 1:27:56Dax Shepard?

  Their comfortables all get out. I mean, I'm really comfortable in these.

• 1:27:59Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 1:28:00Dax Shepard?

  I slept in these last night, if you gotta know the full truth. Sure. And then I woke up and I ran out of time. I did, look, I was in this outfit when I dropped the kids off at school and when I got out of the car, I was like, I'm going for it. Are my kids self-conscious about this outfit?

• 1:28:14Speaker 01

  That's very Brad Pitty.

• 1:28:16Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:16Speaker 01

  It's pity.

• 1:28:17Dax Shepard?

  Real pity. And then I ran into my good friend Scott Shafer, who was an AD on Parenthood, a great AD, and now is head of physical production at HBO.

• 1:28:26Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 1:28:27Dax Shepard?

  A, I just love seeing him because we're good friends. And then I get to talk to him about all the inside scoop at HBO, which is fun.

• 1:28:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:35Dax Shepard?

  Behind the curtain. But I was wearing this outfit. Well, two things happened. God damn it, now we're here.

• 1:28:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. What's wrong?

• 1:28:44Dax Shepard?

  Okay, back up. I have the new goal of waking up at 5:50 in the morning so I can write for two hours before I drop the kids off at school. Well, I woke up at 4:50 and I was kind of fucked. I'm like, what am I gonna now stay up till 4:50? And I knew we had a long day. So then I had to wrestle myself back to sleep, which meant I didn't wake up till seven, which means I only got to do my journal, not my prose writing and my meditation.

• 1:29:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:29:08Dax Shepard?

  So I pretty much ran out the door. I hadn't even looked in the mirror and I'm wearing the same outfit I slept in. Run into Scott, I'm like, I look like a bozo, I look like a circus clown. That's just the outfit. Then I get back in the car. I don't normally have sleepies.

• 1:29:22Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:29:23Dax Shepard?

  Oh my God. I looked in the rearview mirror as I got in the car, I was like, fucking A, I had sleepies all. Poor Scott was talking to me in this crazy outfit.

• 1:29:33Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:29:33Dax Shepard?

  And I had sleepies. He must have been grossed out.

• 1:29:36Speaker 01

  No, he wasn't.

• 1:29:37Dax Shepard?

  He must have thought I was unhoused.

• 1:29:39Speaker 01

  No, he thought you, he thought you were sleepy. That's what sleepies mean.

• 1:29:45Dax Shepard?

  I got in that car and I was looking in there and I, why, oh fuck, I had a sleepy on my left. And then I was like, oh my God, I have one on the right eye too.

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  Was it really yellow?

• 1:29:55Dax Shepard?

  No, it wasn't like a goober in the middle. It was literally below where like the folds of my chubby eyelids would be. It looks like a little crust, but white crust. It wasn't so gross as just that's crust.

• 1:30:08Speaker 01

  No, it's.

• 1:30:09Dax Shepard?

  Oh my God, people are gonna stop listening. They're gonna have to at some point.

• 1:30:14Speaker 01

  No, it's fine.

• 1:30:15Dax Shepard?

  Between the shitty my pants.

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  It's an audio podcast. They can't see your crust.

• 1:30:19Dax Shepard?

  But at some point are they like, you know, this guy's disgusting.

• 1:30:22Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:30:22Dax Shepard?

  Okay. Well, that's what happened this morning. I was a little embarrassed.

• 1:30:26Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm sorry that happened.

• 1:30:27Dax Shepard?

  It's okay.

• 1:30:28Speaker 01

  You weren't gonna tell us that. You were keeping that.

• 1:30:30Dax Shepard?

  I had no intention of telling anyone that. That would have been something that never came up.

• 1:30:34Speaker 01

  Why? Cause you thought you might cry?

• 1:30:36Dax Shepard?

  Quiet, quiet shame. I don't know. But, but it's out there. It came up. Let's talk about your, the fact that you're home from your European vacation.

• 1:30:45Speaker 02

  And massage.

• 1:30:46Dax Shepard?

  And people are not gonna.

• 1:30:48Speaker 01

  And massage.

• 1:30:49Dax Shepard?

  They're not gonna be cool with us not asking an update because our last fact check ended with heavy speculation.

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:30:58Dax Shepard?

  And heavy encouragement. Ring on your finger?

• 1:31:01Speaker 01

  Yep, I am engaged.

• 1:31:03Dax Shepard?

  Oh my, it's a huge development.

• 1:31:07Speaker 01

  I do have a new ring. Thank you for noticing, Rob. It's a beautiful ring.

• 1:31:13Dax Shepard?

  Shout out to Chanel.

• 1:31:14Speaker 01

  Bought it myself. It was not by my massage therapist.

• 1:31:17Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:31:18Speaker 01

  But I will give an update on.

• 1:31:21Dax Shepard?

  Please, please, please, please. Can I suggest that you start on, say, Saturday when? Cause you've now told Molly, Amy, and Kristen that you're seeing him and they've all had massages by him.

• 1:31:36Speaker 01

  Right. I mean, I get, sure. They arranged it.

• 1:31:39Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:31:39Speaker 01

  Cause they've had these massages. They believe it was a life-changing massage.

• 1:31:44Dax Shepard?

  And so now they're starting to get really excited for you as the appointment closes in. I want to point out that so much hype started building that you went into it, I would imagine with the mindset of like, isn't this is going to be terrible compared to, I think that's important.

• 1:32:00Speaker 01

  Yes, it was very hyped up, but it's been hyped up for years. And then, yeah, I'm going in. I'm like, okay, well, really, I think I was looking for it to disappoint. Okay. I think a little part of me wanted it to be disappointing. So then, well, I didn't tell the girls this. I said on here, right, that he told me that it was early in his experience when he massaged them. But he has since ratcheted up his performance.

• 1:32:30Dax Shepard?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:32:31Speaker 01

  And I didn't tell them that.

• 1:32:33Dax Shepard?

  You don't want them to feel like they got a bunk version.

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they did.

• 1:32:36Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:32:37Speaker 01

  Because then.

• 1:32:39Dax Shepard?

  We already know that he looked you up on Instagram from the previous. Yes, yes, yes.

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  He looked me up on Instagram and we know that because last episode you made a joke about the oil.

• 1:32:47Dax Shepard?

  Bring a lot of oil or not a lot of oil.

• 1:32:49Speaker 01

  I'm just wondering how much oil to bring. And then I said, well, he's looked at my Instagram, so I think he knows. Okay, my massage was Sunday. So Saturday, he said, tomorrow's the day.

• 1:33:01Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, foreplay.

• 1:33:02Speaker 01

  And I was like, oh, yay. You know, I'm so excited. And so he sends me his address.

• 1:33:08Dax Shepard?

  It's at his home?

• 1:33:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's his home, but it's his studio.

• 1:33:12Dax Shepard?

  Sure. I'm not taking anything away from his home. It's just, it's not a brick and mortar storefront.

• 1:33:17Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:33:18Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it's a residence.

• 1:33:19Speaker 01

  I arrived at a residence. Yes. And I was early.

• 1:33:23Dax Shepard?

  Oh.

• 1:33:24Speaker 01

  I text him, I'm early, no rush, though. I'll just be standing outside the door.

• 1:33:32Speaker 01

  So then he opens the door. He says, voila.

• 1:33:34Dax Shepard?

  Oh, my God, that's how he greeted you?

• 1:33:36Speaker 01

  No, actually, I don't remember. He said something. He had some bed head.

• 1:33:40Dax Shepard?

  Oh, interesting. But it looked good on him?

• 1:33:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, this guy's got it.

• 1:33:44Speaker 01

  I was like, he's hot. Okay.

• 1:33:46Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:47Speaker 01

  He is hot. They were, okay, they were right.

• 1:33:49Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, he's objectively hot.

• 1:33:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, but also like in a French way, like bed head, like then I come in, he picks out my shoes for me, like my little sandals.

• 1:34:01Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay. Okay. Cause you got to transfer from your, your, your street shoes and, okay.

• 1:34:06Speaker 01

  He sits me down on the couch. There's all these oils in front of me. And then he's just like, wants to chat for a little bit.

• 1:34:13Dax Shepard?

  Great.

• 1:34:14Speaker 01

  So then we're chatting. He's asking about my vacation, you know, normal.

• 1:34:18Dax Shepard?

  Okay, get to know your stuff.

• 1:34:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, he asks about Kristen.

• 1:34:21Dax Shepard?

  Sure, updates.

• 1:34:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, he asked what I do. So we, whatever, we're chit chatting and I'm feeling so on edge a little bit.

• 1:34:31Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:34:32Speaker 01

  Then he makes me pick out my oils.

• 1:34:34Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:34:35Speaker 01

  I pick a body oil and then also a scent oil.

• 1:34:38Dax Shepard?

  Sure. Lavender?

• 1:34:40Speaker 01

  I picked lavender for my body and then this like kind of woodsy one.

• 1:34:43Dax Shepard?

  Oh, smoky. Okay. Whiskey, yeah.

• 1:34:46Speaker 01

  Woods. He doesn't speak great English.

• 1:34:50Dax Shepard?

  Which is kind of great.

• 1:34:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:51Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:52Speaker 01

  So then he leads me into this other room, the sauna.

• 1:34:55Dax Shepard?

  Okay, that's in his home.

• 1:34:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's part of his studio.

• 1:34:58Dax Shepard?

  No, I know. I know. I know. I'm not being demeaning to him.

• 1:35:03Speaker 01

  No, I know you're not. I'm just telling you.

• 1:35:04Dax Shepard?

  How big is the sauna?

• 1:35:05Speaker 01

  Big. It's infrared. I help him learn the word infrared.

• 1:35:09Dax Shepard?

  Great.

• 1:35:10Speaker 01

  We go in there.

• 1:35:10Dax Shepard?

  Now, both people are getting something out of this experience, which is great.

• 1:35:13Speaker 01

  He says 20 minutes in the sauna and then you'll shower. There's a shower.

• 1:35:18Dax Shepard?

  Oh, my God, in front of the cameras.

• 1:35:20Speaker 01

  And, and I said, okay, do I wear this? So there's a robe hanging.

• 1:35:24Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:25Speaker 01

  And I said, do I wear this robe? And he said, no, like, he like really hated the idea of me wearing the robe. In the sauna.

• 1:35:32Dax Shepard?

  Yes, yes, of course.

• 1:35:33Speaker 01

  And so I said, oh, okay, yeah. And he said nude, like he kept saying nude. He didn't, doesn't say naked. Cause that's, I guess, an American word. And I said, okay. And then he said, you can wear this. And there's this like little kind of paper underwear.

• 1:35:46Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:35:47Speaker 01

  If you want to wear this, you can wear this. And he said, and then you'll put on the robe.

• 1:35:53Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 1:35:54Speaker 01

  You can wear this underwear if you want, but it's better if you're nude.

• 1:35:57Dax Shepard?

  Yes, yes, of course. And does he stay in the room?

• 1:36:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:36:00Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:36:01Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:36:01Dax Shepard?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:36:02Speaker 01

  I think he sensed that maybe I was a little hmm about.

• 1:36:07Dax Shepard?

  The nudity.

• 1:36:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. So he said, you'll be covered with a towel the whole time. I was like, okay, great. At this point, I'm like, I'm just gonna have to surrender to this experience. Because I will say, when he texted me tomorrow is the day.

• 1:36:20Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:21Speaker 01

  I thought, is there a world in which Kristen has told him to have sex with me?

• 1:36:25Dax Shepard?

  Oh, right.

• 1:36:26Speaker 01

  And I really did not like that. I need to make it.

• 1:36:29Dax Shepard?

  Charity case?

• 1:36:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have a lot of baggage about being a charity case.

• 1:36:34Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:34Speaker 01

  And so, and also it was just like, no, like, I don't want that.

• 1:36:39Dax Shepard?

  Making the decisions. Yes, yes, yes.

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  So I had some fear about that. So I, I went in being like, I need to make it pretty clear. I'm not interested in that. Yeah.

• 1:36:50Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 1:36:50Speaker 01

  So anyways, he leaves the room. I get into the sauna and it's really nice.

• 1:36:55Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:56Speaker 01

  And then I get in the shower and then I was confused about the shower because I'm like, do I wash my hair? I thought he was gonna do some hair play and I don't want my hair to be wet during hair play.

• 1:37:04Dax Shepard?

  Of course.

• 1:37:04Speaker 01

  So then I do get my hair wet, but I don't wash it. And I wash my body and then I put on the robe and I.

• 1:37:11Dax Shepard?

  Put some makeup on. My perfume.

• 1:37:14Speaker 01

  You're in the opposite headspace of where I was.

• 1:37:17Dax Shepard?

  It's so obvious you weren't in that headspace. This is why I made that joke.

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  Things do take a turn. So then I go in, I go in. Oh, he asked me, he says, do you want the music with lyrics or without?

• 1:37:30Dax Shepard?

  Okay, great.

• 1:37:31Speaker 01

  And I was like, I don't know.

• 1:37:34Dax Shepard?

  You don't have preference.

• 1:37:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, what do you think? It's my first time.

• 1:37:38Dax Shepard?

  In your apartment?

• 1:37:39Speaker 01

  Reminding everyone that he has referred to this as an experience many times. He was like, this is an experience. Like, sometimes people cry and feel free to have all the emotions you're gonna have. Okay, okay. So then I pick with lyrics.

• 1:37:53Dax Shepard?

  Okay, good.

• 1:37:54Speaker 01

  Go in, he tells me to lay down and put the towel on. And I look and like, in American massages, you get under a sheet.

• 1:38:04Dax Shepard?

  That's right.

• 1:38:05Speaker 01

  And it's like really covering your whole body. You slide under that sheet.

• 1:38:09Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, like some Brooklyn.

• 1:38:11Speaker 01

  A beautiful Brooklyn. This was not that. It was a towel.

• 1:38:14Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, that you had just dried off or a new towel? Okay.

• 1:38:18Speaker 01

  But it's, you know, a towel doesn't cover that. It's not like it's flowing off the table. It's just, just covering my body.

• 1:38:25Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:26Speaker 01

  Comes in, turns on the music. It's already, it smells so good that woodsy oil smells lovely.

• 1:38:31Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:32Speaker 01

  And then he starts and it was.

• 1:38:36Dax Shepard?

  Is it instantaneously connected and, and hot and lovely?

• 1:38:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:43Dax Shepard?

  It is.

• 1:38:44Speaker 01

  He, but he pulls the towel down.

• 1:38:46Dax Shepard?

  Does he go down all the way past your butt or right out of the gates?

• 1:38:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:38:50Dax Shepard?

  So you're just, your whole back is totally exposed.

• 1:38:53Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:38:53Dax Shepard?

  Oh, my gosh. Okay.

• 1:38:55Speaker 01

  And I was like, okay, okay, here we go. Here we go.

• 1:39:00Speaker 01

  And he does like, he massages sort of to the, to the music. It was so, so sensual. I mean, extremely.

• 1:39:12Dax Shepard?

  Wow.

• 1:39:13Speaker 01

  And he massaged everything except my pussy pachydermis.

• 1:39:20Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:39:21Speaker 01

  But.

• 1:39:22Dax Shepard?

  When he was on your butt cheeks, does he, how close is he getting to your anus?

• 1:39:26Speaker 01

  My butthole?

• 1:39:27Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:39:28Speaker 01

  I wasn't like, oh, his finger is touching my butthole.

• 1:39:31Dax Shepard?

  Right. Okay, good.

• 1:39:32Speaker 01

  But all the whole thing.

• 1:39:34Dax Shepard?

  Well, so the back's the back.

• 1:39:36Speaker 01

  The back's the back.

• 1:39:37Dax Shepard?

  You can only get so crazy.

• 1:39:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:39Dax Shepard?

  Now.

• 1:39:39Speaker 01

  Now it's time to flip.

• 1:39:40Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:39:42Speaker 01

  So he whispers to turn over and I do. And there's multiple seconds before the towel comes back down on me.

• 1:39:53Dax Shepard?

  Rob, what are your, what's your heart rate at right now, Rob?

• 1:39:59Speaker 01

  He's just staring.

• 1:40:01Dax Shepard?

  Oh, my God. And does he make eye contact with you?

• 1:40:03Speaker 01

  Well, my eyes are closed.

• 1:40:05Dax Shepard?

  You, okay. You can just feel that he's staring. It's not like he, you flipped and he walked to another side of the room.

• 1:40:11Speaker 01

  No, no, no. He lifted the towel and.

• 1:40:13Dax Shepard?

  So you could roll over.

• 1:40:15Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:40:15Dax Shepard?

  All the way on your back.

• 1:40:16Speaker 01

  What I'm used to with the, the flip.

• 1:40:19Dax Shepard?

  They stay on the side.

• 1:40:20Speaker 01

  They lift the towel, they're on the side and they're like, keeping the towels still pretty, I mean, the sheet's still very close to the, so you're kind of squirming to get over. This is not that. The towel comes up.

• 1:40:29Dax Shepard?

  Right, you flip over.

• 1:40:30Speaker 01

  Out in the open, I flip over and then I'm there for some time before the towel comes back on.

• 1:40:36Dax Shepard?

  How long do you think? Five full seconds? One, one thousand, two, one thousand, three, one thousand, four, one thousand, five. Wow. What's happening at your titillation meter, just being bare nude in front of him, knowing he's just enjoying the show?

• 1:40:52Speaker 01

  Well, at that time, since it was like halfway through.

• 1:40:57Dax Shepard?

  You're warmed up.

• 1:40:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:59Speaker 01

  I was.

• 1:41:00Dax Shepard?

  You were in no hurry for it to him.

• 1:41:01Speaker 01

  I wasn't. It was fascinating.

• 1:41:02Dax Shepard?

  That's very erotic.

• 1:41:04Speaker 01

  It was incredibly erotic.

• 1:41:07Dax Shepard?

  Just someone deciding they'd like to stare at you nude might be more erotic and exciting than, yes, than even like touching in the middle of kissing.

• 1:41:18Speaker 01

  This is such a weird thing to say, but I feel like we had sex.

• 1:41:23Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 1:41:23Speaker 01

  I really do.

• 1:41:25Dax Shepard?

  Cause of the level of intimacy and exposing yourself and trust.

• 1:41:30Speaker 01

  It was so intimate.

• 1:41:35Speaker 03

  Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert if you dare.

• 1:41:42Dax Shepard?

  We get support from Skims. So Monica just informed me that she's a girl's girl and I nodded like I knew exactly what that meant.

• 1:41:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, but the girls who get it, they get it.

• 1:41:53Dax Shepard?

  Okay, but for those of us who are clearly not girls, walk me through it.

• 1:41:56Speaker 01

  Well, you know how much I love my Skims fleece joggers because the plush fleece is so soft, it's cozy, it's really comfortable without feeling too heavy. Well, I went to friend them and she would not stop talking about how comfy they were. She almost didn't give them back to me, which was upsetting, but I'm a girl's girl, so I let her have it.

• 1:42:14Dax Shepard?

  Great, great, great.

• 1:42:15Speaker 01

  So the sleep sets are awesome because they are very soft and comfortable, but they're cute. If I'm in my sleep set, I feel fine about going down the street to pick up my food. I'm still looking cute, but I'm comfy and I'm cozy.

• 1:42:28Dax Shepard?

  Roger.

• 1:42:29Speaker 01

  A really fun thing to do is if you're going on vacation with your girlfriends, to get matching Skims pajamas. I've done this with Callie and it is so fun. First of all, the pics are so cute, but also it's just fun and friendship.

• 1:42:42Dax Shepard?

  So a girl's girl is looking out for your friends with better loungewear. I get it. Am I one of your girls now?

• 1:42:47Speaker 01

  You are. You and the other girlies can shop my favorite loungewear and pajamas at skims.com. After you place your order, be sure to let them know we sent you. Select podcasts in the survey and be sure to select our show in the drop down menu that follows.

• 1:43:07Speaker 01

  There was one thing he did. I was facing up. He was, put his hands under my back.

• 1:43:13Dax Shepard?

  And lifts you up a little bit?

• 1:43:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:15Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. So you're arching.

• 1:43:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:17Dax Shepard?

  Oh my goodness. But your breasts are now being jutted out.

• 1:43:22Speaker 01

  Everything's out.

• 1:43:23Dax Shepard?

  Right. And as he pulls your back up, they're now shooting out, right? Like you're, am I understanding this right? Like he's kind of rolling your spine.

• 1:43:32Speaker 01

  It was like what you would do during sex. It's a sexual move.

• 1:43:35Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:43:36Speaker 01

  He did not touch my vagina. I'll be very clear about that.

• 1:43:40Dax Shepard?

  Great. Now tell me about the breast portion.

• 1:43:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, he, he.

• 1:43:44Dax Shepard?

  He was rubbing your breasts.

• 1:43:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:43:45Dax Shepard?

  Over the nipples and everything.

• 1:43:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:43:47Dax Shepard?

  Oh my goodness.

• 1:43:48Speaker 05

  Does he do men's massages?

• 1:43:50Speaker 01

  I don't know if he's ever done a man. I don't know how.

• 1:43:53Dax Shepard?

  I need it. Did you feel like you might climax during any of this?

• 1:43:57Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:43:58Dax Shepard?

  You were too afraid to go like, fuck it, let's go for it. Let's, let's embrace it and actually try to climax. You weren't willing to go do that.

• 1:44:06Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:44:07Dax Shepard?

  Could you have climax? I guess that's the question.

• 1:44:11Speaker 01

  Um, my body was ready for it. Yes. That's, that's all I can, that's all I feel comfortable saying.

• 1:44:19Dax Shepard?

  Sure.

• 1:44:20Speaker 01

  It's very hard to explain. It was like, if something actually crossed the line, it would have ruined it.

• 1:44:27Dax Shepard?

  Yep, yep, yep. I feel you. I got you. Yeah. You guys were on the perfect line between inappropriate and appropriate. I mean, you're on the other side of appropriate, but not like whatever your bottom line was.

• 1:44:37Speaker 01

  Exactly. Also, if anyone has the opportunity, I would say, take it.

• 1:44:42Dax Shepard?

  Don't miss it. I'm gonna send my mom to him.

• 1:44:44Speaker 01

  Your mom would love it.

• 1:44:45Dax Shepard?

  I know. I wonder if he would give her the same treatment he gave you. I mean, probably not. I mean, I'd love to believe he's just like a spreader of joy and eroticism and that he would give my mother that same.

• 1:44:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:58Dax Shepard?

  But he wouldn't.

• 1:44:59Speaker 01

  Well, he would.

• 1:45:00Dax Shepard?

  No, he certainly wanted to date you.

• 1:45:03Speaker 01

  Well, he said after, he said, you have a perfect body.

• 1:45:13Speaker 01

  And I was glad he said it after.

• 1:45:15Dax Shepard?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:45:16Speaker 01

  And not during.

• 1:45:17Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 1:45:18Speaker 01

  It was once I had my robe back on and we were out of the room.

• 1:45:21Dax Shepard?

  Yes. And then, am I right that he asked what you were doing?

• 1:45:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I think that.

• 1:45:26Dax Shepard?

  You think that was just innocuous?

• 1:45:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:29Dax Shepard?

  What do you think, Rob?

• 1:45:29Speaker 01

  I was doing later that night.

• 1:45:32Speaker 05

  Directly after.

• 1:45:36Speaker 01

  No, it was a little, it was like a couple of minutes after.

• 1:45:40Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, Rob, that was a request for a date.

• 1:45:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, it sounds like it.

• 1:45:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:44Speaker 01

  Once he said I had a perfect body, I was incredibly flattered. I was.

• 1:45:50Dax Shepard?

  You were on, you were floating.

• 1:45:51Speaker 01

  I was already.

• 1:45:54Dax Shepard?

  A mess.

• 1:46:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. And so then he said that and I was like, I gotta go. I gotta go. Like I got to go now.

• 1:46:07Dax Shepard?

  Right, right.

• 1:46:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:09Dax Shepard?

  Wow. This is, this is one of the best stories I've ever heard on this show.

• 1:46:13Speaker 01

  It was a big day. It was funny because of your joke about massaging the boobs was so clearly a joke. And then, so when that was a real thing happening, I was like, I can't believe this.

• 1:46:28Dax Shepard?

  This is actually happening right now. That he did need to bring a certain volume of oil.

• 1:46:35Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:46:37Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so here's what I thought might happen. So you were very clear on all your things and then you left and it was perfect.

• 1:46:44Speaker 01

  It was perfect.

• 1:46:45Dax Shepard?

  My prediction, and it wasn't like a 70%, I went into bet, like if I was doing odds in Vegas, I had a 30% thought that you're gonna have like a full half day to marinate on the, the post kind of euphoria of it all. And then you go to dinner and you'd be drinking a glass of wine and then he'd reach out and he'd say like, how are you feeling after your experience? And then I thought there's a 30% chance that the thing could still take a turn that evening.

• 1:47:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:47:14Dax Shepard?

  Did he reach out that evening?

• 1:47:16Speaker 01

  He reached out, but it wasn't that evening. It was later, but it wasn't like late.

• 1:47:20Dax Shepard?

  Okay. And it wasn't while you were having a glass of wine?

• 1:47:24Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 1:47:24Dax Shepard?

  Perfect text.

• 1:47:25Speaker 01

  I didn't want that.

• 1:47:26Dax Shepard?

  I know, I know you didn't. I, I believe you a thousand percent.

• 1:47:29Speaker 01

  I just think it's hard for you to understand that.

• 1:47:32Dax Shepard?

  As a, yes.

• 1:47:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:33Dax Shepard?

  I won't even say as a guy, as me.

• 1:47:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:35Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. So anyways, you came home. What an experience. So the fact that after all the hype, the buildup, it was everything they said and then beyond that.

• 1:47:46Speaker 01

  And I will say, I asked him, how long have you been doing this? And he said, this three years, massage 17 years.

• 1:47:56Dax Shepard?

  Wow.

• 1:47:57Speaker 01

  So when he said he is doing something different, he is doing something different.

• 1:48:02Dax Shepard?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:48:04Speaker 01

  I did think though, like if I had a boyfriend and I went to France and I had this experience.

• 1:48:09Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:48:10Speaker 01

  It would have, I think, felt like.

• 1:48:12Dax Shepard?

  I just cheated.

• 1:48:13Speaker 01

  A little. It really does like, it's like, oh, I'm, I'm awake.

• 1:48:19Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 1:48:19Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm awake now.

• 1:48:21Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Wow. What a guy.

• 1:48:23Speaker 01

  It was something. It was something. I was not expecting to be able to report all of that back. I thought it would just be like, yeah, it was like a little hyped up, but it was great. I expected it to be like an incredible massage, but this, it wasn't that.

• 1:48:36Dax Shepard?

  It was an experience by God. It did cross my, I gotta tell you, cause I'm so protective of you.

• 1:48:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:42Dax Shepard?

  The only thing I thought is like, okay, so 30% chance some wine happens. You're not on the pill anymore.

• 1:48:49Speaker 01

  Oh, I know.

• 1:48:50Dax Shepard?

  That's what crossed my mind is, are you gonna come home right now with this guy's kid?

• 1:48:55Speaker 01

  Luckily abortion is legal in California.

• 1:48:58Dax Shepard?

  That's true. That's true.

• 1:48:59Speaker 01

  But see, that's why abortion should be legal. Cause like if they need to go to.

• 1:49:05Dax Shepard?

  Sorry, your massage therapist. No, at that point it's a masseuse.

• 1:49:08Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:49:08Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Cause what they don't like is that masseuses imply some kind of sexual flavors. So if he, if he did climb on top of you, then we could rightfully probably call him a masseuse.

• 1:49:17Speaker 01

  And I, I was, I was like culturally, this is so interesting. Like what if it's just feels so erotic? Yeah. What if it's standard? Cause it's French.

• 1:49:26Dax Shepard?

  I know. Incredible story. Incredible story.

• 1:49:29Speaker 01

  Okay, now ding ding ding. We mentioned Six Flags in this episode, Six Flags New Jersey, cause that's where she's from. Six Flags Great Adventure. And that is a ding ding ding, cause we just brought that up on another fact check.

• 1:49:45Dax Shepard?

  About the roller coasters?

• 1:49:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:49:47Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:47Speaker 01

  Biggest roller coaster is there. Okay. Pros and cons to coffee. It has a lot of nutrients, the coffee beans do. Vitamin B2, vitamin B5, B1, B3, folate, potassium, magnesium, phosphorus, lots of stuff. It can add up to a significant portion of your daily nutritional intake. But coffee really shines in its high content of antioxidants. In fact, the typical Western diet provides more antioxidants from coffee than from fruits and vegetables combined.

• 1:50:18Dax Shepard?

  Whoa.

• 1:50:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:20Dax Shepard?

  That's the only place I'm getting my antioxidants.

• 1:50:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. I haven't had a vegetable in a while. I know, I did think like, you're not even seeing it in its peak form.

• 1:50:29Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you're seeing it after a food orgy over the last 10 days.

• 1:50:32Speaker 01

  Exactly. Um, okay. Caffeine, a stimulant that can enhance brain function and boost metabolism, may protect your brain from Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. Ooh, it says coffee drinkers have a much lower risk of type 2 diabetes. Low risk of liver diseases, low risk of depression and suicide.

• 1:50:52Dax Shepard?

  And this fact check was brought to you on the American Council of Coffee.

• 1:50:56Speaker 01

  Okay, but then it says coffee can cause anxiety and disrupt sleep.

• 1:51:00Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, we can live with that.

• 1:51:02Speaker 01

  Addictive and missing a few cups can lead to withdrawal.

• 1:51:05Dax Shepard?

  Oh yeah, who cares? Just keep having the cup. It's not like you're gonna, you can't get your hands on a cup of coffee.

• 1:51:10Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:51:11Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:11Speaker 01

  I guess if you add a lot of sugar, that's bad.

• 1:51:14Dax Shepard?

  Yes, of course, but this isn't an episode on sugar. This is about coffee.

• 1:51:17Speaker 01

  That's right. Anyway, it sounds like a lot of pros.

• 1:51:21Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:22Speaker 01

  Which is good.

• 1:51:23Dax Shepard?

  I'm glad I'm drinking so much of it.

• 1:51:24Speaker 01

  Okay. Cold water versus room temp water.

• 1:51:29Dax Shepard?

  I'm always told the Chinese believe it's not good to drink cold water.

• 1:51:32Speaker 01

  I don't think it's about Chinese.

• 1:51:33Dax Shepard?

  That's what I'm always told.

• 1:51:35Speaker 01

  Oh my God, it is.

• 1:51:36Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:51:37Speaker 01

  All water is good. Dr. Jill Blake Way, a licensed and board certified doctor of acupuncture and Chinese medicine and founder and clinical herbalist at Yanova, says, cold water is refreshing and cooling. It's great on a hot day and a good choice after exercise. Okay, so drinking warm water may be better in some instances, whereas drinking cold water might also be more beneficial. Says room temp water can make you less thirsty. Cold water is beneficial after a workout. Room temp aids in digestion. In Chinese medicine, you're right. In Chinese medicine, we advocate drinking warm water because of its effects on the digestive system. Drinking cold water can congeal the fats in food and because of that can make the digestive system sluggish.

• 1:52:22Dax Shepard?

  Well, look, this I think we can say without getting into too much hot water. Ding ding ding. Different populations of people around the world struggle with different issues.

• 1:52:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:52:33Dax Shepard?

  Kind of pandemically.

• 1:52:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. Warm water improves circulation and can relax muscles, which combat constipation and abdominal cramping. Cold water can stuff up your sinuses. Room temp water boosts metabolism because it increases your overall body temperature. Cool. Okay, that's enough.

• 1:52:50Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:51Speaker 01

  Does scoliosis skip generations? Is scoliosis genetically passed from parents to their children? Strong evidence suggests that scoliosis runs in families, but no direct evidence has been found. Also, nearly a third of patients with adolescent idiopathic scoliosis have a family history of the condition.

• 1:53:10Dax Shepard?

  Only a third.

• 1:53:11Speaker 01

  So, yeah.

• 1:53:12Dax Shepard?

  That's not huge.

• 1:53:13Speaker 01

  And that's from the scoliosis institute. Okay, she went to a good college and she says this one of the seven sisters and I didn't know what that was and I felt like a bad unifile.

• 1:53:23Dax Shepard?

  I don't either.

• 1:53:24Speaker 01

  Okay, the seven sisters refers to seven highly selective liberal arts colleges in the northeastern US that are historically women's colleges.

• 1:53:31Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:53:32Speaker 01

  Barnard, Bryn Mawr, Mount Holyoke, Smith, Wellesley, Vassar. Vassar College is currently a coeducational college and Radcliffe College was absorbed by 1999 by Harvard College. Oh, wow. Okay.

• 1:53:48Dax Shepard?

  I only knew two of those.

• 1:53:50Speaker 01

  I knew.

• 1:53:51Dax Shepard?

  Vassar and Barnyard.

• 1:53:53Speaker 01

  Barnard. You knew Wellesley, right?

• 1:53:55Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yes. I think that might have been in Catcher in the Rye.

• 1:53:58Speaker 01

  And Smith, I knew. But I didn't know, well, Bryn Mawr, I think is where she went.

• 1:54:03Dax Shepard?

  Okay, now we know.

• 1:54:04Speaker 01

  Now we know. I didn't know Mount Holyoke.

• 1:54:08Dax Shepard?

  Nope, still don't.

• 1:54:10Speaker 01

  These colleges were created to provide women with the educational equivalent to the traditional male Ivy League colleges. It's pretty cool. I like that. Okay. The New York Times article about the indicators that lead to climbing the economic ladder. It's called, quote, "Frending Bias."

• 1:54:28Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:54:29Speaker 01

  And it was in August of this year. A large new study offers clues about how lower income children can rise up the economic ladder. Growing up in a community connected across class lines improves kids' outcomes and gives them a better shot at rising out of poverty.

• 1:54:44Dax Shepard?

  That's what's cool about our kids' school.

• 1:54:47Speaker 01

  It is very cool.

• 1:54:48Dax Shepard?

  Half haves and half have nots.

• 1:54:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. So if you guys want to read this article, it's interesting. Okay. You said when traders have wins. They get a bump in testosterone.

• 1:55:00Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 1:55:01Speaker 01

  So I could not find evidence of that. What there is a ton of evidence of is when city traders have high morning testosterone levels, they make more than average profits for the rest of that day.

• 1:55:14Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:55:15Speaker 01

  So the testosterone affects the outcome in some ways, weirdly, but I couldn't find the reverse.

• 1:55:22Dax Shepard?

  Okay. Do you know women have more testosterone than they have estrogen?

• 1:55:26Speaker 01

  Yes, but the percentage is.

• 1:55:28Dax Shepard?

  Lower than males.

• 1:55:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:55:29Dax Shepard?

  But what's interesting is we, we think of estrogen as being the female hormone and testosterone being the male hormone. And obviously there's a big difference, but I don't think anyone realizes women have more testosterone than they have estrogen.

• 1:55:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, we learned that in our fertility podcast.

• 1:55:44Dax Shepard?

  Oh, you did. I learned it on Huberman talking to Peter Attia.

• 1:55:47Speaker 01

  It was with.

• 1:55:48Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:55:49Speaker 01

  And depends on the person, the levels. I have a lot.

• 1:55:54Speaker 01

  I think. Self-diagnosis, like my sad.

• 1:55:59Dax Shepard?

  Testosterone is the big opponent of fertility in men. So for people who are thinking about doing testosterone replacement therapy, you absolutely cannot do it if you want to have kids. It destroys your fertility.

• 1:56:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, the rate of opiate addiction in vets while in Vietnam is 30% and they come home and 4% remain addicted.

• 1:56:20Dax Shepard?

  That's the numbers?

• 1:56:21Speaker 01

  That's what you said.

• 1:56:22Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay. I've, I've lost complete faith in those guesses.

• 1:56:25Speaker 01

  There's this huge publication I found and there's a table in here. You're definitely right. Let's just say you're definitely right that the number goes drastically down.

• 1:56:36Dax Shepard?

  There's a staggering drop off when they return.

• 1:56:39Speaker 01

  But I'll read some of this because I have it broken down to any narcotic use, any heroin use, narcotics more than weekly for a month or more, addicted to narcotics at any period, urine positive for narcotics.

• 1:56:50Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:56:50Speaker 01

  So let's just use any narcotic use. 10% since return.

• 1:56:55Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:56:56Speaker 01

  And 43% in Vietnam.

• 1:56:59Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:56:59Speaker 01

  And 11% before Vietnam.

• 1:57:02Dax Shepard?

  That's really weird. It came down.

• 1:57:04Speaker 01

  It came down after.

• 1:57:05Dax Shepard?

  Wow.

• 1:57:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:06Dax Shepard?

  But yeah, 43% narcotic use.

• 1:57:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:09Dax Shepard?

  That's, uh.

• 1:57:11Speaker 01

  A lot.

• 1:57:11Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, two out of every five.

• 1:57:13Speaker 01

  Okay, I have a surprise. It's not really a surprise because you told me to look it up, but.

• 1:57:19Dax Shepard?

  Although it is a surprise because I've forgotten.

• 1:57:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:25Dax Shepard?

  You have the best speakers I've ever heard on a Mac.

• 1:57:27Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:57:28Dax Shepard?

  It's so loud.

• 1:57:41Dax Shepard?

  Look at that bathtub.

• 1:57:46Dax Shepard?

  She's in a 6,000 gallon circular bathtub. The Roman pillars.

• 1:57:59Dax Shepard?

  They were one sentence away from saying have an orgasm in the bathtub.

• 1:58:02Speaker 01

  Ding ding ding, my massage.

• 1:58:04Dax Shepard?

  Very ding ding ding. They're promising that that Calgon can give you the experience you got in that man's apartment.

• 1:58:11Speaker 01

  Good luck, Calgon. Oh, no.

• 1:58:15Dax Shepard?

  You lost something. You lost the whole document.

• 1:58:18Speaker 01

  No, what?

• 1:58:19Dax Shepard?

  Well, I would imagine it'd die after the, the volume of the.

• 1:58:22Speaker 01

  All my tabs went away.

• 1:58:25Dax Shepard?

  Oh.

• 1:58:26Speaker 01

  I don't think I have very many left, but.

• 1:58:28Speaker 05

  Did your Chrome crash? Sometimes if you reopen it, it says reopen tabs.

• 1:58:33Speaker 01

  I know, but it didn't.

• 1:58:36Dax Shepard?

  You guys both use Chrome?

• 1:58:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, you should use Chrome. It's good.

• 1:58:39Dax Shepard?

  Fuck.

• 1:58:40Speaker 05

  Sign that you're a good employee.

• 1:58:43Speaker 01

  That's right. That's right.

• 1:58:47Dax Shepard?

  Was it Chrome though?

• 1:58:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, because Safari comes default on Apple.

• 1:58:50Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:58:51Speaker 05

  And Chrome you have got to add.

• 1:58:53Dax Shepard?

  And Windows Explorer is the default? Browser?

• 1:58:57Speaker 05

  I don't know what Windows. Internet Explorer, I think is discontinued now. I think Firefox, maybe.

• 1:59:02Speaker 01

  Oh, Firefox, yeah.

• 1:59:04Dax Shepard?

  That was the most best employee, wasn't it? Firefox?

• 1:59:06Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:59:07Dax Shepard?

  You're really out on a limb.

• 1:59:07Speaker 01

  Chrome.

• 1:59:10Speaker 05

  I just like because it integrates with Google, everything Google.

• 1:59:13Dax Shepard?

  Fuck, okay, I'll start using it.

• 1:59:15Speaker 01

  Just use it.

• 1:59:15Dax Shepard?

  It's always begging me when I open Gmail to switch over.

• 1:59:18Speaker 01

  Do you think maybe you're not using it because you're like, I don't want to be an employee anymore?

• 1:59:22Dax Shepard?

  No, no, I don't. I, it's probably an inflated confidence in Apple. Like, well, Safari's got to be the best. I like all the other Apple suite of products.

• 1:59:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:33Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:33Speaker 05

  Safari's good.

• 1:59:34Speaker 01

  Safari's good. You know what's cool about Chrome?

• 1:59:37Dax Shepard?

  Tell me.

• 1:59:38Speaker 01

  Um, I could pull up my history.

• 1:59:41Dax Shepard?

  Oh, why? You can do that on Safari.

• 1:59:43Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 1:59:45Speaker 01

  You can.

• 1:59:46Dax Shepard?

  You can do that on AOL.

• 1:59:47Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:59:48Dax Shepard?

  That's OG shit right there.

• 1:59:49Speaker 01

  Definitely. It's Chrome.

• 1:59:51Dax Shepard?

  I'm just want to earmark out loud, but on a next fact check, because this one's been so wonderfully good and long.

• 1:59:56Speaker 01

  Robust?

• 1:59:56Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. But just on earmark that I have a grievance to air.

• 2:00:01Speaker 01

  Oh, my.

• 2:00:01Dax Shepard?

  Got outraged the other day. So just, speaking of that, while you look at your thing, there's two things that sound racist that aren't in Formula One.

• 2:00:08Speaker 01

  Oh, what?

• 2:00:09Dax Shepard?

  Because they say regularly, like the Spanish driver, they, they, because it's an international sport and all these guys are from different countries.

• 2:00:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:17Dax Shepard?

  So they'll say like Carlos signs, like, oh, the Spanish driver is, you know, running. They'll refer to their nationality a lot.

• 2:00:24Speaker 01

  Oh, I see.

• 2:00:25Dax Shepard?

  But when they say the Mexican driver, because Perez is from Mexico, it just feels racist.

• 2:00:32Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 2:00:33Dax Shepard?

  And the other one is, uh, Zhou Guan Yu, um, he's from China. And when they say the Chinese driver.

• 2:00:39Speaker 01

  I, I don't like that.

• 2:00:41Dax Shepard?

  Especially if he's like, he's spun out or something and they'll say like, oh, the Chinese driver went wide. It's deeply racist, but it's objectively not because they're saying everyone's nationality, but for some reason, when they say the Chinese driver or the Mexican driver.

• 2:00:55Speaker 01

  No, there's a reason. It's because in America, we do that to those nationalities.

• 2:01:01Dax Shepard?

  Well, you just rarely hear someone saying this Mexican, it's never positive after someone.

• 2:01:06Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying.

• 2:01:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:07Speaker 01

  That's, that's very American, though.

• 2:01:09Dax Shepard?

  Always. I'm like, oh, Chinese driver. Why'd they just say?

• 2:01:13Speaker 01

  It's good that you have that reaction. I like that. Okay, hold on. Um, the history is not going as well as I wanted.

• 2:01:24Dax Shepard?

  Remembered it to be on Chrome?

• 2:01:27Speaker 05

  Maybe thinking of Safari.

• 2:01:28Speaker 01

  No. Okay. I found it. Okay, so the question is, is the America's GDP is the Wall Street? So sorry, I'm pretty jet lagged.

• 2:01:43Dax Shepard?

  Of course. Does it look like I'm getting frustrated?

• 2:01:47Speaker 01

  No, I'm frustrated with myself.

• 2:01:48Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:01:49Speaker 01

  Because I can't talk right now.

• 2:01:51Dax Shepard?

  What do you think about this reframing? I kind of like it. I've heard that it's a good idea. And I know you're aware of it. Instead of saying, I'm sorry, I blank, say, um, thanks for your patience.

• 2:02:00Speaker 01

  Oh, that's nice. Thanks for your patience.

• 2:02:03Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, no problem.

• 2:02:04Speaker 01

  Um.

• 2:02:05Dax Shepard?

  You don't owe me an apology. I don't know why that's a thing. I just know intuitively I like it. Like instead of coming in and going like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I'm like, it's, oh, my God, thank you for your patience.

• 2:02:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:02:17Dax Shepard?

  Do you feel like it's taking less responsibility?

• 2:02:21Speaker 01

  A little.

• 2:02:22Dax Shepard?

  Hmm, yeah.

• 2:02:23Speaker 01

  A little. Because like, I am sorry if I'm making mistakes.

• 2:02:27Dax Shepard?

  Well, you don't need to be because I'm not upset.

• 2:02:29Speaker 05

  I think it's for more mundane things that you're not supposed to over apologize. Because I've heard that too.

• 2:02:33Dax Shepard?

  Like, this is a thing I would love to help Lincoln get over. She says, I'm sorry so much and drives me crazy because I'm like, you don't need to be sorry.

• 2:02:40Speaker 01

  She does say it as, she almost says it.

• 2:02:41Dax Shepard?

  It's a default.

• 2:02:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:43Dax Shepard?

  Like when we're playing soccer and she doesn't kick it perfectly to me.

• 2:02:46Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:02:46Dax Shepard?

  And I'm like, baby, you don't need to be like, this is part of.

• 2:02:48Speaker 01

  But do you know what she's doing? She's doing what I just did. She's, she's saying I'm sorry to herself.

• 2:02:55Dax Shepard?

  And that's what I, in so many words, I said to her, it's okay for you to have a goal for yourself.

• 2:03:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:03Dax Shepard?

  That you might even want to say like, I know I can do better to yourself, but you don't owe me anything.

• 2:03:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's almost like a tic.

• 2:03:10Dax Shepard?

  I don't have an expectation of you being perfect at passing a soccer ball 300 times.

• 2:03:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:03:14Dax Shepard?

  So you don't owe me an apology because I had, there's been no unsaid contract that that's what I expect from you.

• 2:03:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's totally dependent on the scenario. I think it's courteous to say I'm sorry if you've impacted somebody.

• 2:03:28Dax Shepard?

  Inconvenience, yeah.

• 2:03:29Speaker 01

  Okay. The percentage of America's GDP, that's Wall Street.

• 2:03:33Dax Shepard?

  Oh, finance.

• 2:03:34Speaker 01

  In 1970, the finance insurance industries accounted for 4.2% of US GDP, up from 2.8% in 1950. By 2012, they represented 6.6%. The story with profits is similar. In 1970, the profits of the finance and insurance industries were equal to 24% of the profits of all other sectors combined. In 2013, that number had grown to 37% despite the after effects of the financial crisis.

• 2:04:01Dax Shepard?

  Wow.

• 2:04:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:02Dax Shepard?

  So 30%. 37.

• 2:04:05Speaker 01

  Wow. In 2013.

• 2:04:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:07Speaker 01

  So it could be more.

• 2:04:09Dax Shepard?

  That's why people should be critical of the finance industry, but the notion that we should get rid of it or totally.

• 2:04:15Speaker 01

  Well, that's how this came up, yeah.

• 2:04:16Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, is like, it's naive. You can't really talk about getting rid of any industry that's 30% of our GDP without

• 2:04:26Speaker 01

  I don't think.

• 2:04:26Dax Shepard?

  humongous colossal collapse of many systems and people's life.

• 2:04:31Speaker 01

  Yes, I'm not interested in getting rid of it at all, but I don't subscribe to the thought that it has to be toxic to work.

• 2:04:41Dax Shepard?

  Right, right, right. Nor do I think we should be held hostage by any industry. That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking to the people that are like, dismantle Wall Street.

• 2:04:49Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 2:04:50Dax Shepard?

  No private banking.

• 2:04:51Speaker 01

  No, I agree.

• 2:04:53Dax Shepard?

  Like, this is a new cornerstone of our overall economy.

• 2:04:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:56Dax Shepard?

  And really, it's all England is now. They stopped manufacturing. They have some luxury goods.

• 2:05:02Speaker 01

  They have Burberry.

• 2:05:03Dax Shepard?

  That's a luxury good, yeah.

• 2:05:06Speaker 01

  Burberry trench. Okay, that's all for today.

• 2:05:10Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:05:10Speaker 01

  And now you have, we have an Easter egg for next fact check, which is always exciting.

• 2:05:14Dax Shepard?

  Love you. Thank you for that great story.

• 2:05:15Speaker 01

  You're welcome.