Pod Insights Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard Brad Pitt About this episode Brad Pitt (F1 The Movie, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Fight Club) is an Academy Award-winning actor and producer. Brad joins the Armchair Expert to discuss whether it makes him nervous to talk to Dax in public, holding two realities about people he knows that are famous actors, and leaving school one week shy of completing his degree for Hollywood. Brad and Dax talk about getting shut down trying to get his SAG card, still feeling like the kid from Oklahoma learning his way through this whole thing, and why his favorite humor is the most irreverent kind. Brad explains that there’s no bummer about being in a Tarantino movie, having to work up a case for insurance that it’s actually safer to drive at higher speeds while filming F1 The Movie, and the visceral high of delivering lines at 180 miles per hour.
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0:00 Dax Shepard? Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dan Shepard and I'm joined by Mrs. Mouse.
0:06 Speaker 01 Hi there.
0:06 Dax Shepard? The mightiest of the meese.
0:08 Speaker 01 I'm here. I'm mighty. Wow.
0:12 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I have to imagine many people have guessed about this episode because we've obviously been so excited for a while now.
0:19 Speaker 01 We have.
0:19 Dax Shepard? Knowing and so excited that I was like, even though he said yes, I just feel like there'll be something will happen.
0:27 Speaker 01 I know. I'm still scared.
0:29 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I am too. Until it's been out for like even two weeks, maybe. But yeah, the number one from when I sat down, the notion of interviewing this person was absolutely implausible.
0:41 Speaker 01 Hilarious.
0:42 Dax Shepard? It was a joke. It was a funny joke.
0:44 Speaker 01 Yep.
0:44 Dax Shepard? But then Monty got Matt Damon and that maybe cracked a little ray of hope.
0:49 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
0:50 Dax Shepard? Dreams do come true.
0:51 Speaker 01 Dreams come true.
0:53 Dax Shepard? Without further ado, my dream boyfriend, Brad Pitt.
0:56 Speaker 01 Oh.
0:57 Dax Shepard? An Academy Award winning actor, a producer, Fight Club 7. I feel embarrassed even listing these, Mr. And Mrs. Smith, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and Glorious Bastards. And the new most kickass movie of the summer, I'm going to declare it's the most kickass movie of the whole summer and maybe the decade. F1, hair raising, fucking a point of view you've never gotten. This is as close as you can get to what it feels like to be in a race car.
1:22 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:22 Dax Shepard? It's incredible. And he's fucking perfect.
1:25 Speaker 01 He's perfect.
1:26 Dax Shepard? God, we love him.
1:27 Speaker 01 We really do. And he, I mean, as you'll hear, he's just such a delight, so kind, gave us so much of his time.
1:34 Dax Shepard? Yeah. Charmed the fuck out of us, really. Yeah. Well, get your spare.
1:40 Speaker 01 Nope.
1:43 Speaker 01 Don't say it.
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2:45 Dax Shepard? Yeah, and I am going to gift this to some of my friends. I hope they're not listening.
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5:14 Speaker 01 Hi, so nice to meet you.
5:16 Dax Shepard? You too, sorry I got ice and.
5:17 Speaker 01 No, you're good. What'd you get?
5:19 Dax Shepard? I tried this new thing here. It's a blueberry latte.
5:23 Speaker 01 Okay.
5:24 Dax Shepard? I'll absolutely take a sip.
5:26 Speaker 01 Thank you for offering.
5:28 Dax Shepard? Oh, yes.
5:29 Speaker 01 Is it nice?
5:30 Dax Shepard? Blueberry is my favorite fake flavor.
5:32 Speaker 03 You want in there?
5:33 Dax Shepard? Take a little rip?
5:34 Speaker 03 Not really, but.
5:34 Speaker 01 No, I will. I will.
5:37 Dax Shepard? I've put two nicotine products next to you in case you are wanting.
5:41 Speaker 03 No, I'm done.
5:41 Speaker 01 Good for you.
5:43 Speaker 03 Couple of years now.
5:44 Dax Shepard? Zero nicotine.
5:45 Speaker 03 None.
5:45 Dax Shepard? Why? Think 30 years of smoking, I've just figured I've had enough.
5:49 Speaker 01 Good for you.
5:50 Dax Shepard? I've had enough. But nicotine is really good for your brain, is it?
5:55 Speaker 01 That's what he wants to say.
5:57 Speaker 03 In reserves.
5:59 Dax Shepard? You don't need any pick me ups.
6:00 Speaker 03 Now, is there any problem with advertisement?
6:02 Speaker 01 No. You can do whatever you want.
6:04 Speaker 03 We can advertise for.
6:04 Dax Shepard? Those aren't sponsors. Those are just what we thought you might like.
6:08 Speaker 01 We threw a lot of beverages at you.
6:09 Dax Shepard? But we're gonna ask you to hold the filet of fish at one point and say, god damn, this is good. You don't have to say McDonald's.
6:16 Speaker 03 I have no idea what this means, but.
6:18 Dax Shepard? I'm doing a fucking ad for.
6:20 Speaker 03 You are looking.
6:21 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
6:21 Speaker 03 Supporting.
6:22 Dax Shepard? Is that?
6:23 Speaker 03 Sure.
6:24 Dax Shepard? Wow. Is that a waffle? What is that? What do we call that?
6:27 Speaker 03 Yes.
6:28 Dax Shepard? Yeah. Yeah, it looks fucking great.
6:30 Speaker 01 The blue's really nice.
6:31 Dax Shepard? Okay, not only is this God's True Cashmere, I'm pretty sure this is the one you gifted me. I've got a few now. I was like, I think that's the one he sent.
6:39 Speaker 03 You know what I think he's doing? I think he's kinda like pining for another.
6:43 Dax Shepard? Oh, there's no question.
6:43 Speaker 03 I think he's like trolling a little bit.
6:46 Speaker 01 I'm not gonna rule out that I don't want one.
6:49 Dax Shepard? She has some true.
6:50 Speaker 01 I do. I have some shorts.
6:52 Speaker 03 Shorts are fun.
6:52 Speaker 01 They're so cute. The green and white.
6:54 Speaker 03 Would you do a hoodie?
6:55 Speaker 01 I would do a hoodie.
6:56 Speaker 03 Even with long hair? Cause sometimes women with long hair, they don't like the hoodie.
6:59 Dax Shepard? You cut your hair off, right, for a free hoodie?
7:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
7:02 Dax Shepard? Okay, great, great.
7:03 Speaker 01 For God's True?
7:05 Speaker 03 Or a blanket?
7:05 Speaker 01 You guys do blankets?
7:06 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, we do cushy blankets.
7:08 Speaker 01 Ah, that sounds nice.
7:09 Dax Shepard? How did we come up with the name God's True Cashmere?
7:12 Speaker 03 My dear friend, who is originally a holistic nurse, that I met around the time we met.
7:18 Dax Shepard? In your age of discovery?
7:19 Speaker 03 In my age of discovery. And I came in one day and she said, I had a dream about you. You said, I want more green in my life. And I literally said that to someone the day before, just out of whim, I want more green in my life. And so she made me a green shirt, this, super soft, super cash. Her name is Sat Hedy. It means God's truth.
7:40 Dax Shepard? Oh.
7:41 Speaker 03 And she goes, what do you think of this? We started making them and we really liked them. Then we started making them for our friends and we thought, all right, let's make a little side hustle and have some fun with it. It's been a lot of fun.
7:50 Speaker 01 So fun.
7:51 Speaker 03 But yeah, so she said, what do you think of God's True Cashmere? I went, it's bold.
7:57 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's memorable.
7:59 Speaker 03 It sticks out.
8:00 Dax Shepard? Uh huh.
8:00 Speaker 03 Can't find a reason not to.
8:01 Dax Shepard? Might get a. Certain segment of the country mad, but hey, let's roll with it.
8:05 Speaker 03 Well, I mean, everyone's got their own definition, right?
8:07 Speaker 01 Well, everyone thinks it's you that you're God and it's your true cash.
8:12 Dax Shepard? What would be the very worst?
8:14 Speaker 01 I think people might think that I thought it.
8:17 Dax Shepard? No.
8:18 Speaker 01 In a good way, in a good, oh no, I've really stepped in it already. I gotta go.
8:24 Speaker 03 Yeah, Pitt, he's known for his ego.
8:27 Speaker 01 No, you are not.
8:28 Dax Shepard? Okay, so on that topic.
8:31 Speaker 03 I like that there's no entry to this.
8:33 Speaker 01 No, we get right in.
8:34 Dax Shepard? Don't you like that? Cause don't you think when you're acting, action is almost, and there have been famous directors who don't say action.
8:41 Speaker 03 I asked on the last one not to.
8:42 Dax Shepard? Okay. Yeah. Cause all of a sudden it's like, be great now.
8:45 Speaker 03 Yes, go.
8:45 Speaker 01 Jarring.
8:46 Dax Shepard? As opposed to like, we're talking, we're hanging, given the way you and I met, does it make you nervous?
8:52 Speaker 01 Of course. Oh, he wishes.
8:54 Dax Shepard? That's hopefully where it is.
8:57 Speaker 03 You know, I've never had a gay experience. I kind of missed that window, but if I did.
9:01 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
9:02 Speaker 03 It wouldn't be you.
9:04 Dax Shepard? Oh man, you had me. I was like, wow, he's gonna say it.
9:06 Speaker 01 I was like, Dax is going to die tonight.
9:10 Dax Shepard? I don't want to brag, but you're going to need to build up to me.
9:15 Dax Shepard? I do recommend you start with some starters.
9:22 Dax Shepard? Okay, back to the real thing. Given the context in which we met, which is like really heightened honesty and vulnerability. Does it make you nervous to have to talk with me in public?
9:33 Speaker 03 No, not at all. Quite at ease.
9:34 Dax Shepard? Oh, okay. Great.
9:35 Speaker 03 We can say men's group, right?
9:36 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I say AA. You're not supposed to, but I say it.
9:39 Speaker 03 I said that. I went on some New York Times interview and what an amazing thing this experience was for me. It was a men's group, it was AA, it was when I first was getting sober. I just thought it was just incredible. Men sharing their experiences, their foibles, their missteps, their wants, their aches and a lot of humor with it. I thought it was really special experience. Coming from the Ozarks where we're like, everything's great.
10:01 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
10:02 Speaker 03 And so I do this interview and I say this, and I got admonished by someone of the higher up saying.
10:07 Dax Shepard? You did.
10:07 Speaker 03 It's anonymous.
10:08 Speaker 01 How does that help anyone?
10:10 Dax Shepard? Not for you.
10:11 Speaker 03 That's what I said.
10:11 Dax Shepard? Here's the truth. There was a period of time where if you were known to be an alcoholic, you would be run out of your neighborhood. You couldn't find employment. There was a great reason for it, but even deeper than that is they didn't want alcoholics just showing up at their doorstep. No one had a fucking solution and you would be kind of inviting just the town drunks to show up. So a lot of reasons. My excuse, because I say it openly and I've gotten some criticism is I've had a couple dozen, maybe more people come up to me in the last seven years and go like, I'm the best man at my brother's wedding and my family wouldn't talk to me. And I found out about AA from you and I'm like, I'll take that dude over 1,000 fucking haters.
10:46 Speaker 03 I've had a few of those as well, but you go around in a circle. It's kind of spiral because it's a really crowded room. Dax was usually near the end because he's been there a while. He's kind of like a
10:54 Speaker 01 Elder statesman.
10:54 Speaker 03 Elder statesman. Thank you. And I really respected it. Was really open, honest, was a way to take whatever theme seemed to go in the evening and then put it in the funniest package and it meant a lot to me. Really did.
11:06 Speaker 01 Good job, Dak.
11:07 Speaker 03 Haven't talked to him since.
11:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, understandably.
11:10 Dax Shepard? It's so impactful that I have not seen him since.
11:11 Speaker 01 You use him for what he's worth and then you walk away. That's what we do.
11:15 Dax Shepard? Send him a couple of the free products every now and then.
11:18 Speaker 03 Did he tell you about our date?
11:19 Speaker 01 He did, but we keep you on the DL a little bit on this show.
11:23 Dax Shepard? Yeah. And this is really kind of this fun theme and I often tell people this and I wonder if you can relate to this. Surely you've worked with people where you're holding two things simultaneously about them. Like if you were to have worked with Paul Newman, I imagine you have Paul Newman and then you would have a man you know. I think it's okay to keep both those things alive.
11:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think that's fair.
11:44 Dax Shepard? I have a handful of friends. Robert Downey Jr. I saw him as a kid in Weird Science and him dumping the fucking malt off the top of the mall. He's not even a main player in that movie. We had a rad cardigan on.
11:57 Speaker 03 And like a zoot suit or something.
11:59 Dax Shepard? Yeah, he was wild. And I'm like, that dude's awesome. I love that dude. Followed him throughout the years, ultimately became friends with him. And it's like, yeah, I have Robert, the dude I know. And then there's the guy I just was in love with from Chaplin and all these things. They don't intersect, right?
12:13 Speaker 03 Yeah, they don't intertwine that way.
12:14 Dax Shepard? Did you have anyone like that?
12:15 Speaker 03 You've said it. I remember meeting Newman, working with Redford, working with Hackman. You know what I have that with? Sean Penn.
12:21 Speaker 01 There you go.
12:23 Speaker 03 Eighty-nine, Sean Penn.
12:24 Dax Shepard? Oh, fuck, yes.
12:26 Speaker 03 He'd be number one.
12:26 Dax Shepard? Oh, my God. How about Racing with the Moon?
12:29 Speaker 03 How about At Close Range?
12:31 Dax Shepard? Oh, my God, he was fucking.
12:32 Speaker 03 Know this one?
12:32 Speaker 01 I haven't seen that.
12:33 Speaker 03 Rush Home.
12:34 Speaker 01 OK, I will.
12:35 Dax Shepard? He's in it with his brother.
12:36 Speaker 03 Christopher Walken, yep, Chris.
12:38 Dax Shepard? And he got fucking huge for it. Remember when you were younger, like, oh, shit, Sean Penn's fucking huge.
12:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, he's badass.
12:44 Dax Shepard? Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker.
12:45 Speaker 03 But he super stylized the way it shot. Jamie Foley directed it. But I think younger actors should study it because so much is said without saying it. It's such a streamlined script and everything is undercurrent.
12:57 Dax Shepard? The movie's pretty quiet.
12:58 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's great.
12:59 Dax Shepard? OK, we share another one while we're on this road. Mickey Rourke.
13:03 Speaker 03 We do.
13:04 Dax Shepard? Whoa.
13:04 Speaker 03 Love that Mickey Rourke.
13:05 Dax Shepard? Where does it start for you?
13:07 Speaker 03 I started really looking at acting. It was late eighties. And so at that point, Mickey Rourke.
13:12 Dax Shepard? Wow.
13:12 Speaker 03 He had this Bogart roughness to him. Super tough, but also this really vulnerable. He could walk both lines. He was doing something that was so extraordinary. She watched Angel Heart.
13:23 Dax Shepard? And Lisa Bonet in Angel Heart?
13:25 Speaker 03 That's incredible.
13:25 Dax Shepard? Oh.
13:26 Speaker 03 Just incredible.
13:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's your number one.
13:29 Dax Shepard? When I was a kid, I'm like, I'm naming my daughter if I have one epiphany.
13:32 Speaker 03 Lisa Bonet.
13:32 Dax Shepard? Oh, epiphany, yes. Lisa Bonet. Her first name is Lisa Bonet.
13:38 Speaker 03 He's got great vulnerability. That's the deal. To be able to walk with that kind of strength and toughness.
13:43 Dax Shepard? And he was sexy, which dudes weren't really sexy then.
13:45 Speaker 03 Grandes Village?
13:46 Dax Shepard? Oh.
13:47 Speaker 03 What a stunted movie. So eighties. He still is timeless. He is so badass in it. I'm the Pope.
13:53 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
13:53 Speaker 03 They took my fingers, Johnny. Yeah, it's great. Took my fucking thumb, Charlie. Chaluts.
14:00 Dax Shepard? OK, go. Back to that situation. Which? Meeting you in that context. You're at this meeting. We're gonna get into the fact that a bazillion famous people have come to this meeting and everyone's used to it. And then you came and it was pretty overwhelming. And I got a real sense of what your experience is in this way that I couldn't really fathom. But you have the power of when you are in a place. Everyone can't stop thinking about you. And I was like, God, he has to be aware of that. What does that feel like? That's a lot to deal with. How is he ever going to open up and be honest in this space? And then it dissipates a bit. People get a little more comfortable. And then you were, you were so fucking honest. And I was like, he must have a stubbornness like I have, which is like, yeah, all this is going on,
14:43 Dax Shepard? but I refuse to let it, not let me be a person.
14:46 Speaker 03 Oh, it's interesting. Never thought about it that way. You know, I was pretty much on my knees and I was really open. I was trying anything and everyone, anything anyone threw at me. It was a difficult time. I need rebooting. I needed to wake the fuck up in some areas and it just meant a lot to me. So, yeah, the first is, oh my God, it's coming around. You know, it's coming around, it's getting closer, it's going to be yours. But everyone was so open. It gives you permission in a way to go, okay, I'm going to step out on this edge and see what happens. And then I really grew to love it.
15:17 Dax Shepard? When another dude shares so honestly about his struggles and his defects, and it gets to you, you feel like you owe him that honesty in return.
15:26 Speaker 03 Anything could go because some guys would be like, you know what? Didn't have such a bad week and talk about their wins, little failures and little successes. And you know what? I woke up and I'm going to do it again tomorrow. So that too, what do you think? Is there about 30 guys roughly?
15:40 Dax Shepard? Yeah, on a big, especially when you fucking showed up.
15:45 Speaker 01 People are knocking at the door.
15:48 Speaker 03 There's always one guy though, just loves to hear himself talking and just go.
15:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's tough.
15:54 Speaker 03 And you wait till you get through the next one. It's actually not tough. It's pretty funny.
15:57 Speaker 01 Well, Dax had in a fight with someone over at once, didn't he?
15:59 Dax Shepard? They get in a fight in that room.
16:01 Speaker 03 Oh, really? I missed that week.
16:02 Dax Shepard? We told the story on the podcast, so I don't mind saying it out loud again, but the actor Eric Dane, who I now fucking love.
16:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
16:08 Dax Shepard? I have such a sweetness for him.
16:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, we all had a mini group over there.
16:12 Dax Shepard? Right, right, right. He was hosting. But when we first were around each other was not good. And then he threatened a dude in the meeting.
16:18 Speaker 03 Wow.
16:19 Dax Shepard? And I said, let's go motherfucker. In the middle of the meeting, he goes, if you hit that timer again, I'm gonna fucking throw you in that candle.
16:25 Speaker 03 That was right at the time.
16:27 Dax Shepard? And I go, that's it, motherfucker, let's go. Stand up, let's go outside. He stands, go outside and I'm gonna beat the fuck out of him in Tom's driveway.
16:36 Speaker 01 At an AAV.
16:37 Dax Shepard? We're coming for healing and understanding. But what's great is we're friends now and we told that story on the podcast and it's quite a hilarious beginning for us. Cause now I love him. But anyways, I set all that up just to say, I felt very compassionate to what you go through and I never sweated you. I wasn't like coming up to you, hey man, I'm Dax, nice to meet you. So I didn't really interact a ton with you.
16:56 Speaker 03 We had met before that.
16:57 Dax Shepard? We'll save that to the end.
16:58 Speaker 03 I think, okay. It didn't leave a mark, but I'm pretty sure we did.
17:01 Dax Shepard? Okay, listen.
17:03 Speaker 01 I think it would have left a mark.
17:04 Dax Shepard? So I didn't sweat you much. I do want everyone in the world to know, you're insanely gracious. You learned everyone's name, you engage with people. I thought you were particularly good at assessing who was kinda low status and you seemed to really be kind to those people.
17:16 Speaker 03 It was really moving. Some of these men were so moving.
17:19 Dax Shepard? And then you come up to me at the end and you go, hey, are you going to this track day next week? And I go, yeah, I am. And then I go, oh, right, we both know Duffy. This must be how you know I'm going to that track day.
17:29 Speaker 03 Track day, motos.
17:30 Speaker 01 Vehicles.
17:31 Dax Shepard? Motorcycles on the track.
17:32 Speaker 01 I know about vehicles.
17:33 Speaker 03 Two wheels.
17:34 Dax Shepard? She's been on some vehicles.
17:35 Speaker 01 I have been on a couple.
17:36 Dax Shepard? And you go, hey, you wanna ride up on a helicopter with me? And I go, absolutely.
17:41 Speaker 01 Who's gonna say no to that?
17:44 Dax Shepard? Of course I will. What should I wear?
17:46 Speaker 01 Bachelor, bachelor style day.
17:48 Dax Shepard? Do you have a favorite color you want me to dress in? So you invited me and I was like, oh, this is incredible. I wasn't even sure if he knew I was in this room. And then we went on this glorious helicopter ride. For me, it was very romantic.
18:00 Speaker 01 And were you like giving a tour?
18:02 Speaker 03 Just slowly.
18:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, slowly get that hand around.
18:06 Speaker 03 Three hour drive up there, something like that, isn't it?
18:07 Dax Shepard? Went to a beat down.
18:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, so to get up early and work time on the track. It was just one of those rock and roll things you get to do every now and then.
18:14 Dax Shepard? You said, you wanna go? I was like, yeah, I'm not sure how I'm gonna get in my bike there. I'm saying yeah. Someone else's.
18:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:21 Speaker 03 Let it be known, Dax is rapid. He's fast.
18:24 Speaker 01 You brought him here to give you so many compliments.
18:27 Dax Shepard? Let the record also reflect.
18:28 Speaker 03 He is, he is.
18:29 Dax Shepard? Brad's very fast.
18:29 Speaker 03 Fast too.
18:30 Speaker 01 Okay.
18:31 Speaker 03 No, not that much on two wheels. I wasn't as quick as these guys or Channing.
18:35 Speaker 01 Well, he's been doing it all.
18:36 Speaker 03 Channing was annoyingly good really quick.
18:38 Dax Shepard? Really good.
18:38 Speaker 03 And I'm like, yeah, he's one of these athletes that can kind of do every single. Like Lewis, we had Toto on and Toto was like, you know, Lewis is one of these guys who drives you crazy. He can do everything and just he tries it and he's immediately fast.
18:50 Dax Shepard? You just kind of got to do like a subdued Schwarzenegger.
18:52 Speaker 01 It is. It's almost the same.
18:54 Dax Shepard? And it's bang on.
18:54 Speaker 03 If Schwarzenegger went to a four year college, you know.
18:59 Speaker 01 I have a quick question about the meeting before we leave the meeting.
19:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, go.
19:02 Speaker 01 When you first get there, when it's going around, are you thinking, are people going to talk about me specifically? Is there any nerves going into a meeting when you do have to be very vulnerable? And you know, people there might have an extra interest in my story?
19:17 Speaker 03 So I've heard of stories where like Philip Seymour Hoffman went to one and someone videoed it and put it out.
19:22 Speaker 01 See, that's scary.
19:23 Speaker 03 But I'd been assured by another friend, this was a safe place. Two, I am a stubborn fuck, but also when I've stepped in shit, I'm pretty good at taking responsibility for it and honing up to it. And now it's a quest to, you know, what do I do with this? How can I write this and make sure it doesn't happen again or just?
19:38 Speaker 01 Be better.
19:39 Speaker 03 Yeah, be better, step up. So I was really open to that and I was really open to see what these guys were doing who had their thing and been there for a while. Sure, I was a bit shy. I can generally be a bit shy in any kind of situation first. But I just remember getting my arms around it pretty quickly and it became a thing for me. It was really something I'd look forward to.
19:56 Dax Shepard? Me too. That was very kind of special.
19:57 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:58 Speaker 01 But it's hard, even me in therapy, who no one cares, but I'm like, should I tell?
20:04 Dax Shepard? Particularly the therapist.
20:06 Speaker 01 Could care less, but I'm like, should I tell her everything? What if she tells somebody something?
20:12 Speaker 03 No, when I jumped into therapy then, I was just blah, blah, blah. And I did this and I did that and da, da, da and I did that.
20:17 Speaker 01 Good for you. That's trusting.
20:19 Speaker 03 Or.
20:20 Speaker 01 Stupid.
20:20 Speaker 03 Desperate.
20:22 Speaker 01 Well, desperate's a good reason.
20:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:24 Dax Shepard? Yeah, you don't come into AA because everything's working out fantastic.
20:28 Speaker 03 No, that's usually not the entry point, is it?
20:29 Dax Shepard? It's not the winner's club.
20:32 Dax Shepard? Your hair's gotta be on fire before you go like, yeah, I'll go hang with a bunch of dudes and talk about emotions.
20:37 Speaker 01 My feelings.
20:39 Dax Shepard? It's not the most appealing offering. I want to know about Missouri.
20:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:44 Dax Shepard? I think we've bonded over this before and you saying I want more green in my life is something that I constantly think of as like Lakes is in my DNA.
20:52 Speaker 03 You and me both.
20:53 Dax Shepard? Shocking. I hadn't read Huckleberry Finn or Tom Sawyer, any of that until maybe two months ago. I read both.
20:59 Speaker 03 Amazing.
21:00 Dax Shepard? And now I'm reading the Chernow biography on Mark.
21:04 Speaker 03 I just got it.
21:05 Speaker 01 Is it great?
21:06 Dax Shepard? It's awesome. How close were you to where he grew up?
21:08 Speaker 03 It would have been the same. It's the Ozarks. I mean, it's a beautiful country, but it's also the Mason Dixon line. North and South fought there. It's birthplace of televangelism.
21:18 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
21:19 Speaker 03 But a lot of meth labs. There is this dichotomy that's always at play. And because it's this confluence of Midwestern and Southern, it all kind of flattens out there in a way. You know, our accents are kind of more like this. We just kind of like talk like this and we just keep on going.
21:33 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah. And your dad owned a trucking company?
21:37 Speaker 03 At the tail end, he did. He ran a trucking company.
21:39 Dax Shepard? Was he himself a truck driver?
21:41 Speaker 03 No, I worked there on the docks.
21:44 Dax Shepard? Loading.
21:44 Speaker 03 No, they didn't let me load.
21:45 Dax Shepard? They didn't let you? They didn't let you near the forklift?
21:50 Dax Shepard? And mom was a counselor?
21:51 Speaker 03 She was a teacher and then raised us and then got more into counseling after we left.
21:56 Dax Shepard? So you have a very confusing, when I go through my stereotypes of where I grew up, Michigan, people didn't play tennis. They weren't swimmers. Like your sports, I can't really put you in a box. You were an athlete, but you're golfing and swimming?
22:08 Speaker 03 No, I rebelled against golfing because everyone was golfing.
22:11 Speaker 01 Oh, okay, okay.
22:11 Speaker 03 Well, it was rebelling against, it felt like the sport of the religious right.
22:15 Speaker 01 Oh, interesting.
22:17 Speaker 03 My dad, he did all right. We were middle class. He gave us certainly much better than what he had. He was out, house poor, Oklahoma, and gave us much better opportunities, but I don't know how to bug up my ass about that one. And yet I watch all the masters. I love them. I find them so relaxing.
22:32 Dax Shepard? They're great to take a nap to, right?
22:34 Speaker 03 They're good to doze and come back in.
22:35 Dax Shepard? Yeah, not much has happened.
22:37 Speaker 03 Come in and see hole 16, 17, 18.
22:39 Speaker 01 That's not really a good selling point. Like it's good to nap to.
22:44 Dax Shepard? If you like napping.
22:44 Speaker 03 It is incredible what these guys do. It's amazing.
22:47 Dax Shepard? I had no interest in it and then I got sucked into Full Swing, which is the same fucking company that did Drive to Survive.
22:52 Speaker 03 Love that one.
22:52 Dax Shepard? Everything they make I watch. Do you watch the Jockey one?
22:55 Speaker 03 No.
22:56 Dax Shepard? The Race for the Triple Crown?
22:57 Speaker 03 No, but we just did one with them. Isle of Man, TT.
23:00 Dax Shepard? Oh my god.
23:01 Speaker 03 Four episodes with Channing's company.
23:04 Dax Shepard? No.
23:04 Speaker 03 And then Channing's gonna do a film.
23:06 Dax Shepard? Oh baby, you've been then?
23:08 Speaker 03 I've never been.
23:09 Dax Shepard? Okay, that's what we'll do together.
23:10 Speaker 03 Have you been?
23:11 Dax Shepard? No.
23:11 Speaker 03 This is the most insane race.
23:13 Speaker 01 And you want to race in it?
23:14 Dax Shepard? No.
23:14 Speaker 03 No.
23:15 Speaker 01 Okay.
23:16 Speaker 03 Oh my god, these guys are another breed.
23:17 Dax Shepard? I've told you about this race, a couple people die every single race.
23:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, that sounds horrible.
23:21 Speaker 03 Not last year, last year they got through.
23:23 Dax Shepard? Was that the one you were filming that? Cause that would be good.
23:26 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
23:27 Dax Shepard? You got lucky.
23:27 Speaker 03 Like even the MotoGP guys go, uh-uh, those guys are fucking nuts.
23:31 Dax Shepard? Okay, great, we're right here. What it enrages in me is you're a coward, I'm so afraid to do that. And now weirdly, I have got to do that, cause I'm a coward if I don't do this. That's what drove me to it.
23:44 Speaker 01 He has so much shame.
23:46 Dax Shepard? What drove you to it?
23:48 Speaker 03 There is that white trash side of the Ozarks. Growing up, getting on a minibike and being at the lake and in bass boats. And my dad would give it to us at 12 and we'd take the boat out ourselves. And then driving too early and driving on dirt roads, driving in the rain, driving in the ice.
24:02 Dax Shepard? Did it snow there?
24:03 Speaker 03 Oh yeah.
24:04 Dax Shepard? Driving in the snow is the funnest thing a young man can do.
24:07 Speaker 03 Except you hit the black ice and.
24:10 Dax Shepard? Yeah, it'll surprise you.
24:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:12 Dax Shepard? The motorcycle thing, just you started watching it?
24:15 Speaker 03 No, I had one when I was a kid and then kind of lost it in the 90s and then got back on it. I'd kind of watched a little bit in the Mick Doohan period when he was winning MotoGP. That's a crazy story because he had a horrible accident in the early 90s. They were gonna take his leg, he said, don't, please don't, don't. And they revolutionized this thing that's now it's common practice where they fused his two legs together to get blood supply.
24:38 Speaker 01 Whoa.
24:39 Speaker 03 And worked, got up, won five championships.
24:42 Speaker 01 What?
24:42 Speaker 03 Yeah, and now his son is Jack Doohan, who was driving for Alpine.
24:46 Dax Shepard? Oh my, that's his son? He's a rookie this year?
24:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:49 Dax Shepard? Oh wow, I had no idea.
24:51 Speaker 03 I just had a flashback, did you ever go to demolition derby?
24:53 Dax Shepard? Oh god, yeah.
24:54 Speaker 03 Okay, so demolition derby is a bunch of guys getting a car, any kind of car, usually station wagons one, cause they were going reverse. And they just bang the shit out of each other and the last man standing wins. Sometimes it's a figure eight, but I went to those a lot. And then I had an crazy uncle, he was a preacher, had this kind of Elvis hair.
25:10 Dax Shepard? And he raced stock cars.
25:11 Speaker 01 You just grew up around it.
25:12 Dax Shepard? Yeah. How much were you in search of masculinity? I was deeply, my story is, my dad wasn't around. So I was like, whatever the dude said to do, ride a wheelie, jump your bike, whatever the thing was, fight. I was racing towards it. I had to get some kind of masculine validation. Were you in search of that?
25:31 Speaker 03 I never put that much thought into it. My dad was a pretty cool customer and I think I absorb it. You know, I see it in my roles. I'm either doing him or I'm rebelling against him in some way.
25:40 Dax Shepard? Is he with us still?
25:42 Speaker 03 Yes, he's eighty three. Gonna see him next week.
25:44 Speaker 01 Oh.
25:45 Speaker 03 He's pretty cool. But you know, going to the drive in theaters, they didn't have a lot of money. So we would pop popcorn. By the time you got there, it was wet. They'd make Kool-Aid and we'd go sit on the front of the big Buick and watch movies in our neighborhood. We had a drive in theater. Yeah, but also these ideas of masculinity, because we've seen a lot of Clint Eastwood. We would see Butch and Sundance.
26:06 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
26:06 Speaker 01 Do you have brothers and sisters?
26:08 Speaker 03 I got a younger brother, younger sister.
26:09 Speaker 01 Okay, so you're first born?
26:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
26:12 Speaker 01 That wouldn't have been my guess.
26:13 Dax Shepard? You don't read as first born.
26:14 Speaker 03 Why?
26:15 Dax Shepard? You're kind of too nice. What was your thing?
26:18 Speaker 01 Cause I'm first born. We are bossy, I suppose. I associate that type of adventure with a middle or youngest.
26:27 Dax Shepard? Ah, okay. That's the other thing. I had an older brother, five years older than me. So whatever he was doing, I was trying to do. So he was in a BMX and then I was in a BMX and he was in a skateboard.
26:35 Speaker 01 You're always trying to raise the stakes when you're a younger sibling.
26:38 Speaker 03 That'd be my brother, certainly.
26:39 Speaker 01 Really?
26:39 Speaker 03 Always getting in trouble.
26:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
26:41 Dax Shepard? Is he wild?
26:42 Speaker 03 He was wild then, now he's uber successful and whatever he takes on, he masters it. But that was the thing, I think, when you talk about masculinity, maybe I put it in terms of capability. Cause that was a big thing with my dad. You get up and you do it and he had us mowing the lawn at eight, you know? Like he shouldn't be around these blades and things and dumping them. But all my life I had a job.
27:02 Dax Shepard? Okay, so maybe that's another thing I chase and maybe do is competence. Competence is so hot.
27:07 Speaker 03 I'm gonna agree with you. You've talked about all those sports. I was okay at all of them. Didn't stick with any of them long enough to be great at them. Not that I even could.
27:16 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
27:16 Speaker 03 But to be competent in all of them, yeah.
27:19 Dax Shepard? Did you ever have to beat anyone up to save your brother?
27:22 Speaker 03 No, in fact, I remember he got in fights before I did.
27:25 Dax Shepard? Okay.
27:25 Speaker 03 Yeah. I remember getting in a fight and I grabbed the guy in the balls. Like, oh wow. It worked.
27:31 Speaker 01 Yeah. That's what they tell you.
27:33 Speaker 03 Desperation again.
27:34 Speaker 01 It worked.
27:35 Dax Shepard? I wonder why it worked though? Was it because it?
27:36 Speaker 03 Hurt so bad because everyone's such a homophobe.
27:43 Speaker 01 Run away. Was that happening then? Was there like a lot of calling?
27:47 Speaker 03 Yeah, don't cry. Yeah, don't be gay. Yeah. That kind of stuff. A lot of that. That was that era, error, that era, but error.
27:55 Speaker 01 It's still happening, though. We thought it was gone. And then we were talking to Dax's kid the other day. She was like, this kid in my class is racist. And she was like telling, I'm like, he is racist.
28:04 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, like crazy racist in Alice.
28:06 Speaker 01 And they're 10. And I thought it was done. And maybe it's just human nature to be cruel.
28:12 Speaker 03 It is, I think.
28:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
28:14 Speaker 03 And nice. No, benevolent is the word I was looking for.
28:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
28:19 Dax Shepard? Okay, so you go to University of Missouri?
28:21 Speaker 03 Yeah.
28:22 Dax Shepard? You must have had pretty good grades.
28:23 Speaker 03 I was all right, yeah.
28:24 Dax Shepard? Yeah, just all right?
28:25 Speaker 03 Good enough.
28:26 Dax Shepard? Yeah, good enough. And you wanted to do journalism?
28:30 Speaker 03 I wanted to do architecture, but there wasn't an architectural path at Mizzou. But they had the best journalism school. And then I thought, I don't really want to interview people, but I'll design magazines or movie posters. It was going kind of the design angle.
28:46 Dax Shepard? Had you read Fountainhead already?
28:47 Speaker 03 I had not read Fountainhead.
28:49 Dax Shepard? Okay, let's talk about Fountainhead for one second.
28:51 Speaker 03 Okay, I'm not a big fan, by the way.
28:53 Dax Shepard? I, 20 years ago, read some interview with you. I swore it said you liked Fountainhead.
28:58 Speaker 03 I think I did then.
28:59 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is what I want to talk about. Because I was like, hmm, I'm gonna check that book out. This is his favorite book. I read it and I was like, oh, yeah, Howard Rourke. I want to be Howard. No matter what happens, it's just proven I'm right. That's a very appealing archetype when you're young.
29:14 Speaker 01 Read it. What is he like?
29:15 Dax Shepard? Howard Rourke is basically Frank Lloyd Wright, right? That's the kind of model.
29:19 Speaker 03 The idea is model on, yeah, I ran, modeled it off Frank Lloyd Wright.
29:22 Dax Shepard? Yeah, so he would design things for people, but he wasn't really interested in what they wanted. He was a genius and he would come in and he would build something for you.
29:29 Speaker 03 Let me show you what you want.
29:30 Dax Shepard? Yes.
29:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
29:32 Dax Shepard? It's his vision. Certainly, people would be against it, but when it was all over, he would be right. And I think when you're 20, you're like, yeah, man.
29:39 Speaker 03 Validation. I was right. That's all you want. I'm a genius. And there was also this idealism of, she came from socialism and this idea of an individual voice and supporting the individual voice, I think, meant a lot to her. And I think it's the basis behind this. And so as a young person, you read the idealism, because spoiler alert, he'll burn it all down if you take his thing and corrupt it. There was no group sport in it. So in this day and age, blowing a building is not really.
30:06 Speaker 01 It's not cool.
30:07 Speaker 03 Yeah. Not the cool. Not the course you want to take.
30:09 Dax Shepard? There's other ways to handle it, probably.
30:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
30:12 Dax Shepard? Okay, so you already had loved architecture. So yeah, if you already loved architecture and you're in your twenties and you read that book, it's like, this thing was written for me.
30:19 Speaker 03 Yeah. Then did you read Atlas Shrugged?
30:21 Dax Shepard? Yes. James, what is it?
30:22 Speaker 03 Galt. Galt, yeah.
30:24 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah.
30:24 Speaker 03 I read it and then I went.
30:26 Dax Shepard? Yeah, it fell apart for me reading that.
30:28 Speaker 03 I know so many people love this book, but for me, it was like, we're special and we're gonna keep our specialness to us.
30:33 Speaker 01 Similar theme.
30:35 Dax Shepard? It was all about individualism.
30:36 Speaker 01 Yeah.
30:36 Speaker 03 But it was also this entitlement to, our opinion is right and we're best and we're gonna keep it to ourselves because you don't deserve us.
30:44 Dax Shepard? Compromise would be a very ugly word for.
30:47 Speaker 03 Yes.
30:47 Dax Shepard? Her or any of those books.
30:48 Speaker 01 Right.
30:49 Speaker 03 Now, is this true, that you left college a week before our graduation? No, I actually went through graduation. I just didn't finish my last week of classes and actually graduate, but my parents were already coming.
31:00 Speaker 01 Oh, you went to the ceremony, but you didn't graduate.
31:03 Speaker 03 Fucking walk the line, hat and all, cap.
31:05 Dax Shepard? You wanted to be able to throw your hat.
31:07 Speaker 01 Well, sure, it's very fun.
31:08 Dax Shepard? I'm gonna miss that. That's a crazy fucking decision.
31:10 Speaker 03 No, because I decided, come to LA.
31:13 Speaker 01 You only had one week left.
31:14 Speaker 03 I had one week left, but what's the Spike Jones movie adaptation? Remember when Chris Cooper talks about, he's into orchids? Yeah, yeah. He talked about his former Jones was about some kind of fish breeding. I think it was Meryl asking him what happens and he says, done with fish. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It felt like that for me, just done. I was kind of lamented that movies weren't an option. I'd always loved movies. I met this friend whose dad had a condo in Burbank and said I could stay there for one month.
31:42 Dax Shepard? Oh.
31:43 Speaker 03 And I went.
31:43 Dax Shepard? Green light.
31:44 Speaker 03 I'm going to it. And he moved to Beverly.
31:48 Dax Shepard? Wow. What car did you drive out for that?
31:50 Speaker 03 Datsun 200SX.
31:52 Dax Shepard? Oh, wow.
31:53 Speaker 03 With the bumper hanging off.
31:53 Dax Shepard? Okay, it wasn't in great shape.
31:55 Speaker 01 Do you still have it?
31:55 Speaker 03 No.
31:56 Speaker 01 Oh, sometimes it's fun to have those old, original.
31:59 Dax Shepard? Do you fantasize about getting any of the stupid cars you have? Cause I had a 91 Honda Civic DX for a decade here and I want to get one and make it fucking fast.
32:08 Speaker 03 I was just looking, my dad had a 74 Monte Carlo.
32:11 Dax Shepard? You gotta get it.
32:12 Speaker 01 You gotta get it.
32:13 Speaker 03 Just for fun. Just a little tribute.
32:16 Speaker 01 How often are you scrolling those cars? Be honest.
32:19 Speaker 03 Almost as often as I'm scrolling Zillow.
32:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, I know. Zillow will really.
32:24 Speaker 03 I love house porn, house porn, car porn, bike porn.
32:28 Dax Shepard? Well, you've been in this situation for a long time, but for so long, it was just, I dreamt about it. And then I could do it and then I did it. I bought too much stuff.
32:35 Speaker 03 I saw the toys out there. Looks fun.
32:38 Dax Shepard? This is me now constrained. So I have these rules I have to have in place. Like I have to look at the car like 10 times.
32:44 Speaker 03 So you make sure that you put the time in to make it worth its while.
32:47 Dax Shepard? That's right. Cause I'm dangerous. I get on Bring a Trailer and I'm like, oh my fucking God, I need that thing so bad.
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35:38 Speaker 01 Which is a fair question.
35:39 Dax Shepard? Yeah, so Instagram has got something called teen accounts and they come with automatic protections built in by default. So anyone between 13 and 17 is automatically placed into this experience. They get age appropriate content settings, contact limits, so that by default, only people they're already connected to can message them. And time management tools, daily time limit reminders, and also sleep mode that mutes notifications from 10 PM to 7 AM.
36:05 Speaker 01 Sleep mode is genius.
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36:41 Dax Shepard? Okay, so you drive out into Dotson. I did hear a funny story about you wanting to get your SAG card and interjecting along.
36:47 Speaker 03 Oh, I got shut down so hard. I was doing extra work for about a year and a half before I got to do something real. And I was thrilled. I loved it. I couldn't believe I could be on set. When I landed in Burbank, I got the paper, went to McDonald's. I had $275 left in my name. There were three extra agencies. You could pay them 25 bucks and you were in. I found in the paper and I got in. I'm doing an industrial video by the end of the week. And I get this, um, I get this gig. I'm a-
37:14 Dax Shepard? I hear you're already inflating. What happened?
37:17 Speaker 03 I'm an extra in this movie.
37:18 Dax Shepard? I land this role.
37:19 Speaker 03 I land this- Job is extra.
37:22 Dax Shepard? It's a waiter.
37:22 Speaker 03 When I started, I put them on the resume like they were real. And it still haunts me.
37:27 Speaker 01 That's great.
37:27 Speaker 03 It's a restaurant scene. The main characters Charlie Sheen and DB Sweeney and a bunch of other actors that I wasn't necessarily aware of. And I am the waiter. I'm supposed to bring up champagne and pour champagne. They show me how to do it. You gotta pour, you spin, you wipe the thing. I said, great.
37:41 Speaker 01 That's more than an extra.
37:43 Speaker 03 Well, it was a chosen extra.
37:44 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
37:45 Speaker 03 I got them put forward.
37:46 Speaker 01 Oh, my God.
37:47 Speaker 03 And the whole game was, how do you get your SAG card? Because you can't get a job if you don't have your SAG card. But you can't get your SAG card unless you've had a job. So it was this catch 22.
37:55 Dax Shepard? Specifically, you need to speak.
37:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, that was the-
37:58 Dax Shepard? Barrier to entry.
37:59 Speaker 03 Yes. And like a jackass, they're doing the scene. I get to the last actor and she seemed lower on the totem pole. Maybe? And literally, the scene is going on. I pour her champagne and I go, would you like anything else?
38:16 Dax Shepard? I want the dailies from them.
38:18 Speaker 01 Me too. Oh, my God.
38:20 Speaker 03 Cut, cut, cut. First AD runs over. You do that again, you're out of here.
38:25 Speaker 01 Oh, my God.
38:26 Speaker 03 It was a shame for the rest of the night. Took a shot.
38:30 Speaker 01 Look, it was there.
38:31 Dax Shepard? These are the best stories. Favreau has one. Favreau is an extra. I think it's Hoffman, Hoffa or something. Something's shooting in Chicago when he lives there. He's an extra and he's in a van and he's driving through the background of a scene. It occurs to him, they're not gonna be able to see me. There's not enough light in here.
38:50 Speaker 03 No.
38:51 Dax Shepard? So he decides-
38:52 Speaker 03 No.
38:53 Dax Shepard? I'm gonna turn on the interior lights and I'm gonna drop the visor and turn that light on. Take three, someone finally knows, like, what's going on with the fucking extra? Why is the extra lit in the van? Cut.
39:05 Speaker 03 You can't light yourself.
39:07 Speaker 01 Oh my god.
39:09 Speaker 03 Industrious though.
39:10 Speaker 01 Oh my god.
39:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, we're desperate at that time.
39:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, yes. It's so hard.
39:14 Speaker 03 It is, it's sweet. How long before you were, I guess when Selma and Louise, how long before we get back? They would say, what, five years? If you're not working in five years, go home. I got that at year four. We just need to honorably mention, Monica and I's shared favorite movie is Seven.
39:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's actually hard for me to, with you sitting there, think it's you.
39:37 Dax Shepard? Connect.
39:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:38 Dax Shepard? That's that thing.
39:38 Speaker 01 It's that thing. We've watched it so many times. It holds up.
39:42 Speaker 03 It does hold.
39:43 Dax Shepard? Oh, it's foolproof.
39:44 Speaker 03 That's David Fincher, that's Andy, Kevin Walker.
39:47 Speaker 01 But the two of you also.
39:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, what about working with Morgan? I interviewed Morgan this year. With the gun down, David.
39:54 Speaker 01 Oh my god.
39:55 Speaker 03 No, he's the voice of God. I had hit a point, ninety-four is such a bugged out year. That's Cobain, that's OJ, the whole summer. I had had not such great experiences coming off a couple of jobs and I just wasn't sure what I was doing. I had the weirdest summer. I had this girlfriend who was into reptiles. We bought forty chameleons. I was living in Errol Flynn's old bachelor pad, glass windows, and they were filled. Our house was like a terrarium.
40:22 Speaker 01 Girlfriend who was into reptiles. That's so specific.
40:26 Dax Shepard? Not five or ten.
40:27 Speaker 03 I know, I know.
40:29 Dax Shepard? Were you showing off like, we'll take them all?
40:31 Speaker 03 It was the most unhealthy time. I just needed to check out. I would wake up, I would get a bong load, I'd have four Coca Colas on ice, no food. This particular summer, and I watched the OJ trial and trying to figure out, what do I do next? What do I do next? And then I read this script, my dear friend and manager and basically my sister now. Cynthia sends this over, she says, you gotta read this. I read the first seven pages. I call her up, I go, are you kidding me? The cliche, the old cop wants out, the young cop comes in, he's looking at his trophies? His high school football trophies? She goes, just finish it.
41:07 Speaker 01 Yep.
41:08 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:09 Speaker 03 And then I go meet Finch and he was just talking about films like I'd never heard anyone speak about film.
41:14 Dax Shepard? Yeah, what had he made? Already.
41:16 Speaker 03 Just Alien three and he had had a crap experience on that. Got fired off it three times.
41:20 Dax Shepard? Oh, wow. Wow.
41:21 Speaker 03 And I just got the Jones back and finding that it just reinvigorated what I wanted out of this thing. What's possible.
41:29 Dax Shepard? Can I argue there's a humility to that performance that I'm wondering was that new? Because you're coming off of California, like I watched California and that's kind of the dream role I would want to play. Growing up. Hey Dale, put your titty back in your shirt.
41:41 Speaker 03 Hey Dale, put your titty back up.
41:43 Dax Shepard? Back up.
41:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
41:46 Dax Shepard? That's who I want to be. I want to drink the fucking beer and be a badass and all that stuff. And so to go play, you're kind of a putz in seven.
41:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's the naivete or even the hubris that you think you know the world. And that's what I liked about the Mills character. You grow up in this vacuum, you see the world as your own backyard and you do not appreciate that there are people who think differently than you. Have ulterior motives, other beauties, different beliefs. And that was always kind of a theme for me. This idea of your own hubris. Anytime I've ever gotten knocked down, it's been because of hubris. It's been because I think I know what's going on.
42:22 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
42:22 Speaker 03 I think I know the score.
42:23 Dax Shepard? But you got going there and say lines like, no, he's fucking dancing around his grandma's underpants or whatever the hell that line is. Like, there's a vanity in that.
42:32 Speaker 03 No, he thinks he understands there's good and there's bad. There's black and there's white and that's the world. Bad guys gotta go. It's that kind of stupidity.
42:40 Dax Shepard? Was it already the situation where it's like a bazillion takes? I entered this with a lot of insecurity, like, I'm not sure I belong here. That would have triggered for me like, I suck. I don't think it's completely fair for my friend, David Fincher, because I think he's brilliant and he knows what he wants. The only time I ever did that was on Fight Club and it was a big Steadicam shot outside in the parking lot. Coming into the bar, going down, starting the Fight Club. That was like 40 takes, but they're so technical. And so usually there's a technical aspect of it or.
43:06 Speaker 03 If he needs to beat the acting out of the actor, which is the Kubrick way. And that's the only time I've ever seen it flare up in that way.
43:13 Dax Shepard? It never triggered your insecurities.
43:15 Speaker 03 He is not shy to do it. No, in fact, I was more insecure. The first three takes, four takes, I'm trying to find my way. At that time, I'd feel safer. Now, like, two takes, please.
43:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, I gotta get home.
43:26 Dax Shepard? Stitch together.
43:27 Speaker 03 Yeah, take the time and do that and you can edit.
43:30 Speaker 01 I guess it's true. If you're doing that many, you feel safe that one has worked.
43:34 Speaker 03 I did, but it was so important to me.
43:36 Dax Shepard? How much insecurity were you working with at that period?
43:39 Speaker 03 First half of the career was a lot of insecurity. And always doubting, you know, you get in there, you get in the ring and you have this amount of time and that's compromised, that goes into cement and that's it.
43:49 Dax Shepard? Also, it's not like you necessarily had some long period where you're working with okay actors. You're pretty immediately working with, I don't know, Legends of the Fall. You were with Anthony Hopkins right out of the gate.
43:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was cool. I feel like my learning has really been on film. Also, it came from just a love of movies and love of performance and wanting to make sure I got it right. Like, there's this idea, right? And what you learn to understand is it's just being truthful. And if it's truthful, it's gonna play.
44:13 Speaker 01 What's the first time you felt that?
44:16 Dax Shepard? Oh, that's a good question, Monty.
44:17 Speaker 03 It is a good question. Oh, man. I just know the best moments, I started figuring out in the 90s, were things I hadn't planned for. They were being in the moment and then it flows.
44:29 Dax Shepard? I'm not sure when I'm good and not. There's times I thought I was great and I'm just okay. And there's times I think I suck and I'm kinda good.
44:35 Speaker 03 That's the early stuff, yeah.
44:36 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
44:37 Speaker 03 Fucking rock that one. And you look at it and you go, oh my god. I do have some moments. One of the first one was in this teen horror film, one of my very first jobs. For some reason, I was thinking I was Sean Penn. I run into high school, I see a dead teacher and I go, no!
44:56 Speaker 03 No! I don't even know this guy.
44:58 Dax Shepard? You wish you had a wall of law against him, slide down.
45:00 Speaker 01 Was it your street car moment?
45:02 Speaker 03 Exactly.
45:04 Dax Shepard? I'm afraid to ask you this one, but here we go. Have you ever heard this Cary Grant quote? Everyone wants to be Cary Grant. Even I want to be Cary Grant.
45:12 Speaker 03 Yeah.
45:13 Dax Shepard? Do you relate to that at all?
45:14 Speaker 03 Maybe the earlier years, I don't know. I don't even think much about perception anymore. But yeah, certainly. People look at you this way and I don't feel that good. Other people look at me like I'm an asshole and I go, I feel a little better than that though.
45:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
45:28 Speaker 03 You run into that, but I don't think about perception much anymore. I believe in what I'm doing. I understand my craft. I feel like I elevate the jobs I'm in and I make sure I do and I put the work in. I work hard.
45:38 Speaker 01 When were you able to drop that?
45:41 Speaker 03 I made a big switch. I remember going in the nineties going, you could plug any one of us into this role. This kind of movie, this leading man kind of thing is all going to be the same. So that's boring and it's really about chasing an image. And then I made a switch in the early aughts where I said, I know the movies I've enjoyed this far and why? I'm not taking anything because someone tells me it should, or it's good, or someone else is going to get it if I don't. I did a couple of those and always didn't work. And I just made this switch and really I enjoy what I do.
46:08 Dax Shepard? Now, and I'm going to admit that this is really Malcolm Gladwell's question because I admire him so much. And we're pals and I called him, I was like, I'm interviewing Pitt and I'm nervous. And I want it to be great. And I'm wondering if we have the same curiosity. What is your great curiosity about him? And he said, I guess I'm most curious, the gap between the public Brad Pitt and the real Brad Pitt. If that gap has shrank or gotten broader.
46:38 Speaker 03 Wow.
46:39 Dax Shepard? And I thought, that's a cool question. And I guess I'm curious.
46:43 Speaker 03 I don't break a lot of this down. That's a hard, I don't know if I put it in either way because I go in and I go in hard. I work hard and then I always need to disappear and step out. I just need to refill. I'm not that guy that's really can be out and about in the public and people. And I've always enjoyed my solitude, not my loneliness, not those periods, but the solitude. That can be with loved ones and friends or family and I really need it. I'm getting ready to start now this big press gauntlet juggernaut for this film that deserves. To go worldwide and I gotta go do that. I'll get up for it as I need to do. I don't feel like I'm very good at it. I've always been a little embarrassed this side of it.
47:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
47:21 Speaker 03 And I still have that feeling each time. I gotta get myself up for it. And it takes a lot out of me. So then I need to step back and really disappear. And that's worked well for me. So has it gotten bigger or smaller? I think it's gotten smaller, my relationship with it. The gap's gotten smaller.
47:38 Dax Shepard? Is the embarrassment because it feels like there's some kind of lack of humility in that part of the job?
47:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, you know, where we grew up and especially that era, you're a braggart if you talk about yourself. You're conceited and I got accused of that a lot as a kid, even just being quiet. We get accused of being conceited or something and I didn't understand that. And then there's just the fear I'll always have, just putting my foot in my mouth or stepping in a pile of shit.
48:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:03 Speaker 03 Having to live with it. I've never considered this my specialty. I'd rather make things, whether that's a chair or a shirt or a movie and let it speak for itself. And move on and get to the next, but this is a group sport and we gotta support it.
48:17 Dax Shepard? My arc, I'm embarrassed to even try to compare it to yours, but my arc was I wanted it so bad. It happened. It was so fun for a minute. Then I was down in Austin, I was making Idiocracy and I was in Fuddruckers and I was like, oh, that table of people staring at me. Oh, that table's also staring at me. And I remember leaving the restaurant, calling my girlfriend almost in tears going like, I have no control over my environment anymore. And it felt very claustrophobic. Then I hated it and then I came to accept it. And then even more profound in therapy, a few years back, the dude really figured out, helped me figure it out. I feel very fraudulent receiving that attention. I don't feel worthy of that.
48:59 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's fair enough. But when you say worthy, because the importance isn't there. It's looked at from afar like it's important in some way. And I have a similar version of that. I mean, the way I was able to get my arms around it was, I just remember when I saw my first celebrity, I moved here in a week. I saw John Cusack at a Fishbone concert. I embarrassed the person with me because I was like that. And they were like, shut.
49:20 Speaker 01 You're in LA.
49:21 Speaker 03 She turned her back on me.
49:22 Dax Shepard? This is not cool here.
49:23 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's not. But I just remember what it meant to me. I met the Harlem Globetrotters when I was a kid. I got pulled out on the court.
49:31 Dax Shepard? No.
49:31 Speaker 03 Yeah.
49:32 Dax Shepard? Their first taste.
49:33 Speaker 03 Metal Arc and all of that, remember?
49:35 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
49:37 Speaker 03 And Curly and the OGs.
49:39 Dax Shepard? The original squad.
49:40 Speaker 03 And what it meant to me. And so when you look at it that way, that you can brighten someone's day, it could be like a highlight in some way, like those days were for me. That's how I found my way around it, at least.
49:51 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I was reading an interview with Owen Wilson years ago, and I thought he summed it up the best. He goes, you know, it's kind of cool if you think about the fact that you can just make someone's day. I was like, oh, that is a cool power.
50:02 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's a lovely thing.
50:04 Dax Shepard? You need to like, accept it. It's easy to get caught in fighting it.
50:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
50:07 Dax Shepard? And you can ruin your life, I think.
50:08 Speaker 03 Because, you know, guidebook tells you that part of it. I just love movies. I didn't really understand.
50:14 Speaker 01 Fame.
50:14 Speaker 03 Yeah, that part of it. What you lose, what the trade off is. But we got to talk about punked, because punked was pretty revolutionary. Jackass and then into punked. We're coming off this time where we got to be tough guys. We don't show weakness to this punk rock kind of approach. Like, no, no, no, not only that, we're going to embarrass ourselves the most we can. And there was a real freedom in that switch that happened.
50:37 Dax Shepard? I don't think I can appreciate that.
50:38 Speaker 03 I rank punked up there as something kind of revolutionary. Really, no, I mean this, I mean this.
50:42 Dax Shepard? Thank you.
50:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, Jackass as well.
50:44 Dax Shepard? Okay, great. So that's one of my questions.
50:46 Speaker 03 Okay, great.
50:47 Speaker 01 Great, thank you for the comment.
50:48 Dax Shepard? I want nothing but approval. And then when I get it, I'm like, I don't, I don't want it. All I want is approval, and yet I can't stand it when I get it.
50:56 Speaker 01 You don't have a brain of someone who needs approval at all.
50:59 Dax Shepard? Do you? I think you do.
51:00 Speaker 03 I wouldn't put it that way either. I know if I like the work I'm putting out there, if I like the stories, it's not going to speak to everyone, but I know it's going to speak to someone else too, and I have a comfort in that. So it's different than approval. When I think of what movies meant to me as a kid, living in a Christian vacuum, you saw different ways to handle things, and you saw different cultures and things around the world. And you saw John Travolta swearing as dad for messing up his hair. I would call him a hair. That kind of shit. And I was just enraptured with it. And movies for me was that kind of other teaching.
51:33 Speaker 01 He was Brad, do you need it? Like Dax and I need
51:38 Dax Shepard? We're bottomless pits.
51:39 Speaker 01 Approval from, let's be really honest, people who we think are
51:44 Dax Shepard? High status.
51:45 Speaker 01 High status. It's a gross way of saying it.
51:47 Dax Shepard? It's my grossest quality.
51:49 Speaker 03 People I admire.
51:50 Speaker 01 Exactly.
51:51 Speaker 03 Yes, that's fair. Yes. And by the way, I still feel like that kid in Oklahoma, Missouri Ozarks, who's still like groping his way through this whole thing.
51:59 Dax Shepard? Still kind of can't believe you're here.
52:01 Speaker 03 No, I take total responsibility for being here. But to me, it's just another craft. Like anyone who works hard at what they do and has confidence in what they do.
52:09 Dax Shepard? Now, Jackass, the person I admire the most is Will Ferrell.
52:12 Speaker 03 I will not miss a Will Ferrell movie.
52:14 Dax Shepard? More what I love is his art installations as a human. So I'm at a Lakers game one time. I'm with Chris and I go, the security guard looks like Will Ferrell. You know what the Lakers, the guys with the red jackets? My God, it really looks like Will Ferrell. And I'm like, that's Will Ferrell. Will Ferrell sitting there as a security guard next to the other security guard.
52:34 Speaker 03 Oh, my God.
52:34 Dax Shepard? I interviewed him like, what was, I saw you at the Lakers. He goes, oh, I have this bit with Adam where on our birthdays, we give each other outfits and then you have to go use the outfit wherever. And so Adam gave him the full security. And he smuggled it into the Staples Center and he went into the bathroom and put the outfit on. And I'm like, I just admire it so much. I'm almost mad at myself. I haven't thought of that.
52:56 Speaker 03 But I love the sabotage, the underground fun you got to have with this thing. We'll do that with interviews, going down press lines on oceans like Matt, you have to use God willing in every single interview. Or give him some word or something.
53:08 Dax Shepard? But what I really liked about you is I'm watching Jackass one time, which I loved. And all of a sudden you're on the show and they kidnap you.
53:18 Speaker 03 Celebrity kidnapping. Yes. It was great.
53:20 Speaker 01 What?
53:21 Dax Shepard? And I'm like, he likes Jackass. Did you reach out to them?
53:24 Speaker 03 I'm not sure how it happened. I knew Spike through Venture. They were shooting being John Malkovich right next to us while we were shooting. We'd visit the 17th and a half floor, whatever it was.
53:37 Speaker 03 I loved Jackass. I loved what they were doing. Again, I thought it was revolutionary. Maybe with Spike, I said, you ever need, I'm in. And then Knoxville called up.
53:44 Dax Shepard? How'd you end up on Dave? There's another thing. I'm watching Dave, you're on, and I go, oh my God. And then I reverse engineer, I go like, Brad loves Dave? How rad.
53:52 Speaker 03 I love Dave. My favorite humor is the most irreverent humor. Maybe because I'm so worried stepping shit, people who say the wrong thing. I will at times say things that are so wrong and it just makes me laugh. And so maybe he got word that I really liked the show and he wrote me, said, hey, you want to do something? And I just said, I'm trying, but I can't find a reason not to. So I guess I have to.
54:15 Dax Shepard? It's good karma to go participate in the things you love.
54:18 Speaker 03 My genius show.
54:19 Dax Shepard? Yeah, he's incredible.
54:21 Speaker 03 And I still admire that wit because I don't feel like I necessarily have that really quick wit.
54:25 Dax Shepard? Isn't it funny who people like admire? Like I was watching the you and Adam Sandler, you did the actor on actor thing.
54:31 Speaker 03 Oh, right.
54:32 Dax Shepard? And I was like, drama dudes love comedians. Comedians love drama dudes.
54:36 Speaker 03 I love comedians.
54:37 Dax Shepard? All of us want to be musicians.
54:38 Speaker 03 Love comedians, love musicians.
54:41 Speaker 01 God, we all just want to be the thing we're not. It's wild.
54:44 Dax Shepard? How could you not? Okay, so I saw Once Upon a Time when it came out. I liked it a lot. Then five years went by and I'm on a plane a year and a half ago and it's there. So I start watching it. And I'm like, this movie is way better than I remember. And then we get off the plane and now I got to finish it. So now I'm in a hotel room watching it on my iPad. And then I'm like, I gotta watch it in my theater. I come home, I watch it in the theater. Then I'm like, I gotta watch it with my friend Nate in the theater. He's got to re-watch it again. And I've watched it now sincerely, probably eight times in the last 18 months. I'm so obsessed with that movie. I think it's second best to only Pulp Fiction. It's so good. And then I started thinking, the one bummer about being in a Tarantino movie is,
55:26 Dax Shepard? do you rob yourself of the experience of getting to watch the Tarantino movie?
55:31 Speaker 03 There's no bummer about being in a Tarantino.
55:33 Dax Shepard? Okay.
55:34 Speaker 03 That dialogue, come on.
55:35 Dax Shepard? I encourage you to watch it eight times in the next 18 months.
55:38 Speaker 03 That will never happen.
55:40 Dax Shepard? If you need to watch it with me in my theater.
55:42 Speaker 03 Watching your own shit.
55:43 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly.
55:44 Dax Shepard? That's what I'm saying. That could rob you of the experience. Can we talk about Leonardo in it for one second?
55:49 Speaker 03 Come on, he's great.
55:50 Dax Shepard? In my obsession with this movie, and the more and more I watch it, the more and more I'm blown away with his performance.
55:55 Speaker 03 Me too. I've been watching it eight times, but.
55:57 Dax Shepard? He's playing like six layers. He's an actor. He's not as good as Leonardo DiCaprio as an actor, but he's got to have the scene of his life. But it can't be as good as a Leonardo DiCaprio scene.
56:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
56:08 Dax Shepard? I don't think people understand the math of what he's doing.
56:11 Speaker 03 That's the thing that's least understood is the degree of difficulty. And even, we'll get credit for a great director or great writing.
56:18 Dax Shepard? Perfect song choice.
56:20 Speaker 03 Yes, absolutely. Great editing. We need all these accoutrements to help us out, but no, he was doing multiple layers in there. And that star tantrum cracks me up.
56:29 Dax Shepard? Buddy, I'm a has been.
56:35 Dax Shepard? I'm not gonna ask you to rank your co-stars, but just where does he fall in that?
56:39 Speaker 03 Do you love acting with him?
56:40 Dax Shepard? Yeah, he works hard too. I've watched someone like him or Margot work so hard.
56:45 Speaker 03 I can go through phases where I'm approaching it a little easy. I'm wondering if maybe I don't have the fire anymore. Maybe not offering, then I find something else or I see performances like that and then I go, ooh, gotta up my game. I wanna be like that.
56:58 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
56:59 Speaker 03 Look at all the cast in that. These were all up and comers, new kids. You got Austin Butler, Margaret Qualley, Sydney Sweeney, Mikey Mattson, Ethan Hawke's daughter. Pretty incredible. Now they're all doing their own things.
57:12 Dax Shepard? That was part of my joy of going back and watching it over and over again. I was like, oh, I know all these people now.
57:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's really fun to see.
57:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's part of his genius is being able to scout talent and then help them blow up. Your resume is annoying because we're not gonna get to talk about.
57:26 Dax Shepard? No, we're not.
57:27 Speaker 01 Oceans is one of my favorites of all time. I came into this show, talked about Moneyball for like three months straight.
57:33 Dax Shepard? We just had Michael Lewis on.
57:34 Speaker 03 Oh, really?
57:35 Dax Shepard? What a fucking dude.
57:36 Speaker 03 What a brain, huh?
57:37 Dax Shepard? Oh my God, he's so charismatic and charming.
57:39 Speaker 03 And eloquent.
57:40 Dax Shepard? Genius but chill.
57:42 Speaker 03 I would want him to like me.
57:43 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yes, me too.
57:45 Speaker 01 Approval.
57:46 Dax Shepard? I wanted him desperately. Okay, the only thing I want to ask about once upon a time and then we'll move on is I was getting Duffy vibes. Is he at all in the mix? We owe Duffy an explanation of who he is.
57:56 Speaker 03 Funny.
57:57 Dax Shepard? I thought I was watching Duffy.
57:58 Speaker 03 I see my dad, but I understand Duffy's got some of my dad in him. That's not a bad call.
58:02 Dax Shepard? Our mutual friend Duffy was a Navy SEAL. He's the toughest human being on planet.
58:07 Speaker 03 Yep, rock solid.
58:08 Dax Shepard? He's gorgeous.
58:10 Speaker 03 Okay.
58:12 Dax Shepard? If you can't see that, you need fucking glasses. He's the only 60 year old man I see like 30 year olds fucking buying him drinks and shit.
58:20 Dax Shepard? There's one scene I always love to point out, G.I. Jane.
58:23 Speaker 03 He's a trainer.
58:24 Speaker 01 Thank you, he's a trainer.
58:25 Dax Shepard? How long has he been your trainer?
58:26 Speaker 03 I met him on Troy.
58:26 Dax Shepard? Okay.
58:27 Speaker 03 So I trained him on Troy in a few, probably the next decade.
58:29 Dax Shepard? In G.I. Jane, they needed real Navy SEALs in the movie. And he's in the movie.
58:34 Speaker 03 Is that right?
58:35 Dax Shepard? Watch it because there's one moment where they need someone to do the ultimate Navy SEAL thing, which is they're in a Zodiac boat and they're flying. Someone's gotta hang out of the side of the Zodiac with a fucking inner tube. And the guy in the water grabs it and then Duffy rips the human being out of the water. The lats are like that wide.
58:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's him.
58:53 Dax Shepard? And you're like, how'd that dude just rip a guy out of the water on a Zodiac going 25 miles an hour?
58:58 Speaker 03 Those guys, Navy SEALs, Rangers, Delta Force, I mean, their baseline is discomfort. Where we would tap out, that's where they begin.
59:06 Speaker 01 So if that character's your dad, you said they're either your dad or you're rebelling against your dad. What are the characters that you are actively rebelling against?
59:15 Speaker 03 Really, my upbringing, when I say my dad, probably my upbringing, like Fight Club and things that are more irreverent.
59:19 Dax Shepard? Maybe even being flashy in oceans.
59:21 Speaker 03 Was I flashy?
59:22 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
59:23 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're embracing the flash in that.
59:27 Speaker 03 I feel like we lost our way after the first one, or at least my guy, because he was kind of the DeVal consigliere guy to George's Danny. I'd like that much more. And then, you know, when you watch CSI or something and they're trying to give a speech, but they gotta give each actor one line.
59:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
59:41 Speaker 03 They just pick up in each line and just equal distribution.
59:44 Dax Shepard? Everyone needs a moment.
59:45 Speaker 03 Yes, it kind of went that way.
59:47 Dax Shepard? One last question, then F1. You've worked in four different decades now, 90s, 2000s, 2000s, 10s. We're now in your fourth decade. Do you have a favorite of those decades of working?
59:57 Speaker 03 No.
59:58 Dax Shepard? Then I don't have a follow up question.
59:59 Speaker 03 Oh.
59:59 Dax Shepard? Okay. Is there a sweet spot you get nostalgic about?
1:00:02 Speaker 03 It's more like periods. So certainly seven. And then losing my way a bit with choices and then landing back with Fight Club and Snatch.
1:00:12 Dax Shepard? Snatch.
1:00:13 Speaker 03 This area felt good.
1:00:14 Dax Shepard? How did you learn that accent? G'day, g'day. Can you still talk like him?
1:00:18 Speaker 03 Uh.
1:00:20 Speaker 03 I don't know. She's terribly partial to the Perdy Winkle Blue Boy, Bice, something like that. Perdy Winkle Blue Bice.
1:00:24 Speaker 01 Oh, my God.
1:00:26 Speaker 03 It's terribly partial.
1:00:28 Dax Shepard? I would be so scared to take that role.
1:00:30 Speaker 03 I was too.
1:00:30 Dax Shepard? I'm sure. Okay, so motorsports, we talked about why you're into motorsports.
1:00:36 Speaker 03 Oh, wait, before we started, I brought you a gift.
1:00:38 Dax Shepard? Oh, you did?
1:00:39 Speaker 03 I brought you a Apex GP souvenir.
1:00:43 Dax Shepard? I cannot wait.
1:00:44 Speaker 03 I didn't bring you one?
1:00:45 Speaker 01 That's okay.
1:00:46 Speaker 03 You're gonna understand why.
1:00:47 Speaker 01 I don't even know what that is.
1:00:48 Dax Shepard? Could you give her like a hundred bucks or something?
1:00:50 Speaker 01 Oh, my gosh, this is exciting and unboxing.
1:00:53 Dax Shepard? I wasn't anticipating it.
1:00:54 Speaker 03 Yeah, it looks bagging on.
1:00:55 Dax Shepard? Oh, I'm on.
1:00:56 Speaker 03 Okay, okay, look at the front.
1:00:59 Dax Shepard? First of all, you don't know this about me, black and gold's my scheme.
1:01:02 Speaker 03 Maybe I did know.
1:01:05 Speaker 03 This is day one, this is the pit crew shirts, and we have real crew, proper car guys. And they're trying to bring their shirts out all for the guys, it's day one, we're in Silverstone, we're shooting, the crowd's there, it's race weekend, and they start getting shit from the other teams, because look what's on the back.
1:01:19 Dax Shepard? The Action Factory.
1:01:21 Speaker 03 But they put it on Tramp Stamp.
1:01:23 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:01:25 Speaker 03 And we started getting so much shit from the other crews, we were between Mercedes and Ferrari, and they were laughing their ass off at our team.
1:01:32 Speaker 01 That is fantastic.
1:01:33 Speaker 03 So they switch out all the shirts, change them, but I saved one.
1:01:36 Dax Shepard? Someone went, can you get Glenn from wardrobe?
1:01:38 Speaker 01 Oh, my God, Dex, that's so special, you got a Tramp Stamp one.
1:01:42 Speaker 03 You got the Tramp Stamp one.
1:01:43 Dax Shepard? Maybe by the end of knowing you, I'll have a full wardrobe of clothes you've given me.
1:01:49 Dax Shepard? We got two items.
1:01:50 Speaker 03 I'm gonna work on the waist down now.
1:01:51 Dax Shepard? Okay, so I had it wrong, and I've wrongly taken a little bit of credit for this. Again, I'm an approval junkie, but my telling of it is, I text you at one point, and I said, are you watching Drive to Survive? If not, text me when you've finished it, I bet it'll be in 18 hours, something along those lines.
1:02:08 Speaker 03 Yes, yes, I remember this.
1:02:09 Dax Shepard? You did, you texted me like eight hours later, and you're like, oh, fuck, I watched them all.
1:02:13 Speaker 03 Probably nine.
1:02:14 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you fell in love with it like I did from that, right?
1:02:18 Speaker 03 Well, I'd been watching a little, because MotoGP races, there's just not enough of them.
1:02:23 Dax Shepard? There's not.
1:02:23 Speaker 03 So then you start dipping into F1 a little bit. Now there's not enough F1 races, so I started dipping into Indy. You watching Indy?
1:02:29 Dax Shepard? No.
1:02:29 Speaker 03 You're in?
1:02:30 Dax Shepard? Oh, I love it.
1:02:31 Speaker 03 I've even, as a tourist, I've stepped into NASCAR a little bit.
1:02:34 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:02:34 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:02:35 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:02:36 Dax Shepard? Okay. I've done a little dabbling. In NASCAR too. I really recommend the night race at Bristol. That's a vibe. Wow. That's like old fashioned. You feel like, yeah, there's bootleggers out here.
1:02:46 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, good.
1:02:47 Dax Shepard? Just real quick, Valentino Rossi.
1:02:49 Speaker 03 Oh, come on. Still miss him. Don't we miss him?
1:02:52 Speaker 01 I miss him so much.
1:02:53 Speaker 03 Don't you?
1:02:54 Speaker 01 I don't even want to talk about it. I miss him so much.
1:02:56 Dax Shepard? If I had to say the number one god on planet earth, I think it's Valentino Rossi.
1:02:59 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's Valentino Rossi.
1:03:00 Dax Shepard? He's so fucking charming. Have you ever seen that thing with Lewis and Valentino?
1:03:04 Speaker 03 No, I've been told. I keep meaning to go look it up. So Lewis gets on his bike and Valley gets in his car.
1:03:10 Dax Shepard? That's right. And they go on the track and they both put down times. And Valley's fucking fast.
1:03:16 Speaker 03 I'm sure he is.
1:03:17 Dax Shepard? And Lewis is fucking great on the bike.
1:03:19 Speaker 03 Yeah, he's gonna be. Seen there's some video he put out where he went to a gun range?
1:03:24 Dax Shepard? No.
1:03:24 Speaker 03 Oh, my God. He's like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
1:03:28 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I guess he's a great surfer. He can do everything.
1:03:31 Speaker 03 And well.
1:03:31 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you fall extra in love with it though through Drive to Survive, I'm imagining?
1:03:36 Speaker 03 Yeah, I've been dipping in, I guess a little in the aughts, you know, in the Schumacher period. I wasn't in like the religion that it is now.
1:03:43 Speaker 01 I think the show really escalated it.
1:03:46 Speaker 03 Especially for America, bringing in new fans, but people have their driver and it's like the success or the struggle of this driver is emblematic of their life.
1:03:54 Dax Shepard? The emotional roller coaster we've been on by being really good friends with Ricardo is almost too much for us.
1:03:59 Speaker 01 Yeah. It is too much.
1:04:02 Speaker 03 It's heartbreaking.
1:04:02 Speaker 01 I know. We love him so much.
1:04:05 Speaker 03 I know there's a second generation of where he's gonna go in the sport, doing something.
1:04:08 Dax Shepard? Absolutely.
1:04:10 Speaker 01 I know, I know.
1:04:11 Speaker 03 You know, like the gods are with you. Everyone has their own path.
1:04:13 Dax Shepard? And the confidence and how tenuous your grasp on the confidence is.
1:04:17 Speaker 03 Yeah, even Lewis talks about that.
1:04:19 Dax Shepard? Oh, he does.
1:04:19 Speaker 03 There's win last year in Silverstone in an inferior car. He was having doubts and we're talking about fractions of a second.
1:04:26 Speaker 01 Such a mind fuck.
1:04:27 Dax Shepard? Sometimes one or two hundredths of a second for pole.
1:04:30 Speaker 03 The idea that 20 guys can go around four mile track, three and a half mile track and be within a second of each other.
1:04:37 Speaker 01 It's crazy.
1:04:37 Speaker 03 And the guys on the back end are considered slow.
1:04:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:04:41 Dax Shepard? Yes. So you don't initiate this. You get approached?
1:04:45 Speaker 03 I get a call from Joe.
1:04:46 Dax Shepard? Okay, the director.
1:04:47 Speaker 03 Joe Kaczynski. This mapping technology that he discovered on Top Gun Maverick, mapping in the plains. He has this idea he can do this with the cars on the track, Formula One cars. So very wisely, he said, we're outsiders. I gotta have the tap on the shoulder from someone on the inside. And then he goes to seven time world champion Lewis Hamilton.
1:05:06 Dax Shepard? Let's go to the greatest driver.
1:05:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, and you gotta understand, I've been trying to get a racing movie made for 20 years in cars and different classes and bikes, Isle of Man even, and for whatever reason, it just never came to fruition.
1:05:19 Dax Shepard? They're kinda high risk, they're hard to do really well.
1:05:21 Speaker 03 They are hard to do really well. In fact, when we talk about this one, the most difficult thing of it was threading this needle between a faction of fans, again, that revered this sport as the greatest thing on this earth, and people who don't understand how the sport works, but who's gonna enjoy the movie. So this thing that we're constantly trying to negotiate, like Moneyball, the analytics of it all, we only use the surface analytics of the easy things that we could understand of don't steal, go for walks, and the analytics that they were doing were so much deeper, so much more complex. So to how to tell the story, it's not gonna piss off the fans, and you're not dumbing down for the fans, but it's not gonna be over the head.
1:06:02 Dax Shepard? It's a tiny needle to thread.
1:06:04 Speaker 03 Took us two years, really three, developing the script from nothing.
1:06:08 Dax Shepard? And I think Lewis was an incredibly smart move because here's the unbelievable triumph of the movie is, I think its closest comp, and I say this in the best way because I fucking love the movie, is Days of Thunder.
1:06:21 Speaker 03 First of all, I write him, what'd you think? And he goes, it's titties.
1:06:24 Dax Shepard? Oh, I said fucking titties.
1:06:25 Speaker 03 So titties, I guess, we all like titties.
1:06:27 Speaker 01 It's the accent saying it, that's good.
1:06:29 Speaker 03 But then it says, it wasn't a butt, but Kristen loved it.
1:06:32 Dax Shepard? I said more importantly.
1:06:34 Speaker 03 Oh, more importantly, okay. It's like, you know, after a screening, you couldn't quite get it and you go, man, the music was awesome.
1:06:39 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:06:40 Speaker 03 You gotta say.
1:06:41 Speaker 01 Something.
1:06:42 Dax Shepard? You know when you're in one of those screens and you're literally going like, I gotta pick something I can say believably.
1:06:46 Speaker 03 Oh, no.
1:06:47 Dax Shepard? Boy, that shot with the crane was.
1:06:49 Speaker 03 Was incredible.
1:06:50 Dax Shepard? That must have been really hard. How many feet was that crane?
1:06:53 Speaker 03 A hundred. Divergent, diversion, diversion.
1:06:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:06:57 Dax Shepard? No, fucking titties is my ultimate compliment.
1:06:58 Speaker 03 All right, great.
1:06:59 Dax Shepard? Because titties are the best thing in the world.
1:07:00 Speaker 03 They kinda are.
1:07:01 Dax Shepard? Yeah, not been taught.
1:07:02 Speaker 03 They kinda are.
1:07:03 Dax Shepard? The men around for 300,000 years.
1:07:04 Speaker 03 I think men and women would agree.
1:07:05 Speaker 01 I agree.
1:07:06 Dax Shepard? But the genius of having Lewis is, it's really hard to make a movie about F1 that could exist actually within the world of F1. I think that's a really tall order.
1:07:16 Speaker 03 Dude, this is unprecedented.
1:07:18 Dax Shepard? Yes, the fact that they're involved is crazy, that's a coup.
1:07:20 Speaker 03 That we're infused into the racing season. I don't know what other sport you could really do that with.
1:07:28 Speaker 03 Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.
1:07:40 Dax Shepard? I think having Lewis there is all of the mechanisms and devices that were driving the plot could really happen. And they're so intricate and they are true to Formula One. We all know the reality of it. As you say, it's by a tenth of a second. If you're not on the right team, that's that. There's so many things that are antithetical to a great movie. You can't have a magic device in this. It has to all be real. There's so many clever things your character does that are totally believable, that are so fun, and they're very Days of Thunder-y. We're a last place team. So the idea of you got to play with what you got. So how do you win with what you got? Underdog. Which is a money ball. There's good teams, there's bad teams, and there's 50 feet of crap, then there's us.
1:08:23 Dax Shepard? Yeah. Well, the gap in real life is you have Mercedes and Red Bull spending $500 million a year. And then you have, name the team, Haas, doing it on 100 million. That's really significant. Yeah. So how on earth are we going to build any stakes where anything can really happen in reality? And it all really works. What I'm saying, Days of Thunder, the reason that I think that's a compliment is that took something that not everyone was into, and it made it so widely appealing. Yeah, okay, fair enough. Everyone loved Days of Thunder. You did not have to be into cars. Kristen came with me because she had to. I'm like, come on, we're gonna go see this movie. And it ended and she's like, fuck, that's one of the best fucking action movies I've ever seen. That's incredible. I think it's fun as shit. Yeah.
1:09:02 Speaker 01 I wasn't able to go because I had work.
1:09:05 Dax Shepard? But you did get an invite. She got an invite.
1:09:07 Speaker 01 I did get an invite.
1:09:08 Dax Shepard? He didn't cut you out.
1:09:09 Speaker 01 No, no, no. I get myself in places.
1:09:12 Dax Shepard? It almost made me question who Monica was because she was gonna ride with us. And she goes, I'm not coming. And I was like, what has happened?
1:09:18 Speaker 01 Look, I have an operation to run here, and I had to do it.
1:09:22 Dax Shepard? You had to edit.
1:09:23 Speaker 01 And Dax made a good point. Sometimes it's good for me not to have seen the movie in case things get very esoteric. I also edit the show. So if I'm like, no one's gonna understand any of this.
1:09:33 Dax Shepard? I wondered if this was gonna be an hour and a half just talking about wheels.
1:09:35 Speaker 01 No, no, no, no.
1:09:38 Dax Shepard? It was the danger of us sitting down here.
1:09:39 Speaker 01 I know. That's why I'm here.
1:09:41 Dax Shepard? You did really well to hold it off, by the way. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I have a lot of practice. Anytime someone arrives in a cool car, she's like, we're fucked.
1:09:47 Speaker 01 He can read my face where I'm like... Ready, ready to move on from this part?
1:09:52 Dax Shepard? Really specific look that says you're in the weeds on this and no one gives a fuck but you and the guest.
1:09:58 Dax Shepard? But the driving is a huge part of this. I can't imagine you want to do this movie unless you're gonna drive.
1:10:03 Speaker 03 I'm so grateful the others didn't work out. They put us in the fucking cars.
1:10:07 Speaker 01 During the race?
1:10:08 Speaker 03 During the race weekend.
1:10:09 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:10:10 Speaker 03 That was my first shot though, it was the race weekend. I mean, it was the whole crew's first shot.
1:10:13 Speaker 01 So it's race weekend, you're driving.
1:10:16 Speaker 03 It's race weekend and the first thing we're gonna do is put us out on, it was quali day. It is such a military precision designed machine that whole day to this second. We're gonna get 15 minutes to go out in front of the crowd of how many hundred thousand people at Silverstone.
1:10:31 Dax Shepard? Silverstone's Wimbledon, to put it in perspective. It's a cathedral.
1:10:34 Speaker 03 This is the UK track.
1:10:35 Dax Shepard? F1's British, that's their track.
1:10:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's the beginning of the official F1 in the 50s, started on this track. It's Halibut.
1:10:41 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:10:42 Speaker 03 And they strapped me in the car a half hour early. I'm sweating my balls off. It's really hot and they screw in the horse collar.
1:10:47 Dax Shepard? You have a Hans on and everything?
1:10:48 Speaker 03 Hans helmet. It's really sensory deprivation at that point because you have earphones and you got the fire retardant gear underneath. Then you got your suit and you got the helmet and you're sitting like you wouldn't have bathtub. It's too short to stretch out and they screw in the horse collar.
1:11:01 Dax Shepard? And you can only turn your head about this far with the Hans on.
1:11:03 Speaker 03 And they put us in a half hour early because we couldn't miss our window. We had to prove ourselves, like if this weekend went bad, if it went tits up, this movie isn't happening.
1:11:13 Speaker 01 See, how come tits up, that's it's used in a bad way.
1:11:16 Speaker 03 On your back, okay, let's say, let's say if we cock it up.
1:11:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, I like that better.
1:11:22 Speaker 03 If it goes pear shaped, as they would say over there. So we go out and I had practice. It's a whole nother thing to have all these fans there. I'm not gonna be hitting the speeds that those guys are hitting. You see them go around cops, flat out. Dude, it is so breathtaking. I stood at the base of Eau Rouge. This is a storied track in Belgium.
1:11:41 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:11:42 Speaker 03 Spa. For me, it was the greatest track we got to drive. But I stood at the base with my back at the bottom and they go up this blind ass up.
1:11:50 Speaker 03 Lewis talks about the G's are first, it compacts your spine into the ground. Then you get up to the top, it's blind. You lift up. He said, it's the only track where you have down and upward G's. Anyway, it's amazing. But you stand right next to the wall like this. The cars are right here, they go, they're flat out. It takes the air out of your lungs. It is so staggering.
1:12:09 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:12:10 Dax Shepard? It warps space and time.
1:12:12 Speaker 03 Yeah, if we could Chris Nolan that moment.
1:12:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:12:14 Speaker 03 So it's race weekend. I had practiced in my mind, driving the track.
1:12:18 Dax Shepard? This is stressful.
1:12:19 Speaker 01 I know.
1:12:20 Speaker 03 I don't want to spin out because if we spin out, we go off the track. And I'd taken a few misadventures. So I don't want to lose the car. And it's the fans. So I'd practiced in my mind, people in the stands and just hitting my breaking points. Practice, practice, practice, practice. And so when we got there, I just told myself the last minute, just have fun. And it was such a joy.
1:12:39 Dax Shepard? Was it?
1:12:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, but I'm going to break 10 yards earlier just to make sure I'm not going to get on it hard coming out. Because again, this is our first attempt. And then the next day, we're shooting on the grid. National anthem, we're off to the side.
1:12:53 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:12:53 Speaker 03 The main feed cuts us out. You just see the drivers, but it's me, Dampson, Max and Checo and then Leclerc. And I'm almost embarrassed because I have such reverence for these guys, this sport. And here's this jackass actor standing at the end like he knows what he's doing.
1:13:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:13:09 Speaker 03 So I just had to swallow that. I'm like, we got to do it. And there's this real energy because we have 10 minutes to get back to our cars. And then have a little scene there with Javier Bardem and Tobias. And then we got to get in the car. So we do that two takes, we get off the grid and they're lining up for the start of the race, for the warm up lap. And then our cars, one's going to go. It's already choreographed where he's going to peel off. And we had two great drivers with us. We couldn't have done it without them. Luciano Bocchetta, he was F2 champion and then Craig Dolby. They're in the cars, we're not doing this part. And one of our cars does not start, the one that's supposed to take off.
1:13:44 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:13:45 Speaker 03 But they had already had plans for that. If it didn't, guys came running out, push it off the track and everything went.
1:13:50 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
1:13:51 Speaker 03 And so then we were in and running, but then we went on strike the next day.
1:13:54 Dax Shepard? I was going to say, you have this triumphant, fuck, this movie's going to work.
1:13:58 Speaker 03 We got it, we're in, and then we went on strike on the Monday.
1:14:01 Speaker 01 Oh, fuck.
1:14:02 Speaker 03 It was such a.
1:14:04 Speaker 01 Let down.
1:14:05 Speaker 03 I was just bumping into walls. It was such a high.
1:14:07 Dax Shepard? And you had to do a unique thing on this, which is the movie has to be insured. If something goes wrong, there's so much money on the line that someone's got to insure that. And they've never insured a movie and let the actors drive 180 miles an hour.
1:14:18 Speaker 03 No, this was Steve McQueen's problem filming Le Mans the last week. He was supposed to drive in the race and insurance stepped in at the last said, uh uh, we lose you, there's no movie.
1:14:28 Speaker 01 Right.
1:14:29 Speaker 03 Our movie was predicated on us being on the track and driving.
1:14:33 Dax Shepard? Did you personally have to explain to them like, look, these cars don't work till 180?
1:14:37 Speaker 03 This is a really good point. This happened because we're hitting speeds. We're running with 100 kilograms of extra weight because we got camera gear. We got to get a block camera here. I got a camera here where I can't see brake points, turning points.
1:14:48 Speaker 01 Oh, my God.
1:14:49 Speaker 03 Or it's on here and one over here. Sometimes they'd be a big camera up here, which would diffuse all your downforce on the back, the rear, so you'd be sliding out. And we don't have power steering because we're on an F2 that's been chopped and stretched and aeroed. We're in Abu Dhabi and we've been getting away with a lot. And insurance got hip to it and they came in, they said, speed limit, 140. And it actually, in these cars, it becomes more dangerous. You don't have heat in the tires. You don't have heat in the brakes. And they actually become undrivable and unstoppable.
1:15:17 Dax Shepard? You're not creating the downforce, so you can't go through the turns.
1:15:21 Speaker 03 This thing would go off and I would just ignore it and we would go. And the guys, especially Luch and Craig, put together a case for the insurance to show them this is actually more dangerous. It is actually safer to go at 180 and brakes and get the heat in as we need than keep us down at 140. So it took three or four weeks of negotiations and we got there.
1:15:42 Dax Shepard? I watch F1 and I am deeply humbled by, I know that you have to believe this car is creating so much downforce that yes, you can turn right at Silverstone in seventh gear going 190 miles an hour. And that's a leap of faith.
1:15:56 Speaker 03 It's shocking.
1:15:57 Dax Shepard? Yeah. So what was your curve?
1:15:59 Speaker 03 The first time I got in, I just could not believe you could take corners at these speeds and the car would stick. Every impulse is to get off the gas, but you do that, you destabilize.
1:16:11 Speaker 01 Ah.
1:16:12 Speaker 03 You'll go wide, then you'll go off. The track, so you actually need to stay on it. They say if you're not on the gas or you're not on the brake, you're not driving the car and you're upsetting the car. I just kept saying, trust the car, trust the car. I had this mantra going in my head. This is week one and then the braking capabilities are shocking.
1:16:27 Dax Shepard? Now, what they do kind of defies physics.
1:16:30 Speaker 03 Yeah, they call an upside down airplane, don't they?
1:16:32 Dax Shepard? Oh, yeah, yeah.
1:16:33 Speaker 01 When you're driving it, you can't be in character, right? Cause you have to be so focused on.
1:16:38 Speaker 03 We do the scenes, but we're also in a helmet like this. So if you fuck up the lines.
1:16:41 Speaker 01 Yes. How are you doing that?
1:16:42 Speaker 03 And we're getting to drive and we can actually use our side view mirrors. So that leads to the authenticity of it all. But you asked about downforce.
1:16:50 Dax Shepard? Yes.
1:16:51 Speaker 03 I don't know how to explain it. It's the greatest feeling. You want to go roller coaster, but no, that's not it. Because you feel the fulcrum under you and a roller coaster is on corners. I was in an aerobatic plane once and guy took me for a ride. That'd be the closest thing, I think. It is a high, I just can't wait to do it again.
1:17:06 Dax Shepard? Yeah, what's so great is these cameras are fucking mounted on the car in such a way. And Joe can control them and we're seeing you and you're almost blueprinted to think, oh yeah, he's on the green screen and we're watching him. And then it's just a fluid fucking pan and oh no, we're going 180. And there's the other cars. It's so intense and novel. It's really a technological kind of accomplishment.
1:17:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think so too. It's really visceral.
1:17:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's interesting to hear that it was tech first almost. That was what started this whole thing.
1:17:36 Dax Shepard? Tell me about you go out to a track. I think you're at a Porsche training center and there's a GT three and you get to go out for a bit and Lewis is there and then he takes you for a ride.
1:17:45 Speaker 03 This is after the controversial 21 finish.
1:17:48 Dax Shepard? This is the only time I felt some stress between you and I.
1:17:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:17:52 Dax Shepard? Cause I love Max.
1:17:53 Speaker 03 Who's undeniably so damn good.
1:17:56 Dax Shepard? Especially this year in a shit car.
1:17:57 Speaker 03 Oh my God, he's incredible. But yeah, I've been in a few arguments over that one.
1:18:01 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:18:02 Speaker 03 So this is the first time he's been on a track since that controversial end where he loses the title. I just feel like an idiot. He's getting in the car with me, so I'm not going to even try to push. I know lines from being on the bike and on the track and understand trail braking and when to get back on the fuel, the throttle and all that. And that felt good, but I was just.
1:18:20 Dax Shepard? Oh, I was feeling such an idiot.
1:18:22 Speaker 03 Yeah. But then I got in with him and it's this bit on the track where it's just a straight way. And then it's got this, what do they call it? The carousel and it's just one of these banked things and it's walled. And the guy says, take it easy going out. Give him Lewis instructions. There's a bump, it can really unsettle you.
1:18:37 Speaker 01 Oh God.
1:18:38 Speaker 03 He just takes off, we hit the bumper, we're going, going, we hit this corkscrew. He comes sliding up around and the back end kicks out. Now we're in the gravel and inches from a wall and he comes out and he's just laughing his ass off.
1:18:49 Dax Shepard? He loves it.
1:18:49 Speaker 03 These guys have such control of this car.
1:18:52 Dax Shepard? They're at the very max and they have control.
1:18:54 Speaker 03 You know, he came in, we're getting close to the final cut and he is so detailed. He would come in and go, no, no, no, that's the wrong gear. You're turned 11, you need to be in fifth by sound.
1:19:04 Dax Shepard? Yes.
1:19:05 Speaker 03 Wow. Cause we're in an F2 car, so we gotta redo the sound for it to sound like an F1 car. He would go down the straight, there's this reverb that comes off the left wall. You need to add that in. What knowledge.
1:19:15 Dax Shepard? Have you ever seen these videos where they just put headphones on the drivers? And they play the audio from the car. And these guys within about 30 seconds will go spa. Have you seen them do that?
1:19:28 Speaker 03 No.
1:19:29 Dax Shepard? There's many videos of them doing this. They can tell just from the audio. Oh, it was third gear, then fourth, then third real quick. They'll name the track.
1:19:37 Speaker 01 Did you get to do all the tracks?
1:19:39 Speaker 03 No, we drove spa, we drove Cota, we drove Vegas. That was weird and sketchy and wet and cold and slippery. Just sketchy. And we got no rehearsal on it and we just had to go out and we had our one 15 minute window. 10, I think even. Sketchy.
1:19:55 Dax Shepard? Yeah, slippery, right?
1:19:57 Speaker 03 And not only that, there are points in it where you're braking on a curb. It's just odd, technical.
1:20:03 Dax Shepard? I went.
1:20:04 Speaker 03 Wait, wait, wait, I want to brag some more.
1:20:05 Dax Shepard? Yeah, please, please, please.
1:20:06 Speaker 03 Abu Dhabi.
1:20:07 Dax Shepard? Oh, yes, because this is where the GQ guy was at.
1:20:09 Speaker 03 Silverstone.
1:20:10 Dax Shepard? What about Abu Dhabi? Cause it's night.
1:20:12 Speaker 03 Amazing, goes from day, dusk, night.
1:20:14 Dax Shepard? Oh, I'm so fucking jealous. The fact that for your job, you had to go drive all these tracks.
1:20:19 Speaker 03 You should be.
1:20:20 Dax Shepard? You should hate me.
1:20:21 Speaker 03 No, this one I will rub in.
1:20:23 Speaker 01 I can see how lit up you are about this. This is so fun, both of you.
1:20:26 Dax Shepard? I'm hard as a rock for the listener.
1:20:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, slight shove over here.
1:20:31 Speaker 01 We have so many actors in here and they're. Artsy for the most part. That's why they got into it. Do you sometimes feel like an outsider amongst all these artsy actors? Cause you're their peers, but you're also this guy.
1:20:47 Speaker 03 And by not artsy?
1:20:48 Speaker 01 You are artsy.
1:20:49 Speaker 03 Right after I went right into a man and a dog survival story out in the wilderness of New Zealand.
1:20:54 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:20:55 Speaker 03 So I'm trying to mix it up.
1:20:57 Speaker 01 You're doing both, but this part of the conversation is the happiest you've been in the whole conversation. Let's be real about that.
1:21:02 Speaker 03 No doubt. And we could go on for another few hours, you know? We'll wrap this thing up and we'll still be at it.
1:21:06 Speaker 01 I know you will.
1:21:07 Dax Shepard? I want to add some, there's so many rad things about the movie. The fact that all the real teams are there.
1:21:13 Speaker 03 Is that insane?
1:21:13 Dax Shepard? You're in shots with Charles Leclerc.
1:21:15 Speaker 03 We could not do it without them and we had to go into the drivers' meeting and make our case. And of course they're going to be suspect of us. What are we going to do? How Hollywood is it going to be? Who are you going to make the bad guys Ferrari or Red Bull like? Cause you have Lewis, you're going to make us, you know? Didn't know what this thing was going to be and little by little, we made our pitch. I think they understood our respect and told them, we're going to be here in the race weekends. Wherever you're away, tell us to fuck off. I have no problem fucking off. We know how to do that.
1:21:42 Dax Shepard? I'm quite good at fucking off.
1:21:44 Speaker 03 At first, certainly at the weekend, I felt like a tourist who had no right to be there. By the end of it, we'd been so integrated into the old ecosystem of it all. Just having laughs with the guys and we could not have done it without their participation, without the teams. Toto's in it. Fred's in it. Yes. All the team bosses are in it. I mean, this production value, there were $30 million cars and their entire teams for the whole pit lane. And they gave us an hour. They pulled out their cars. They all came in, worked on it. I mean, it was unbelievable. The whole F1, Stefano and his team. I think once we proved ourselves, they were super accommodating.
1:22:22 Dax Shepard? I've talked to some of these dudes. They're pumped. They like it.
1:22:24 Speaker 03 And they're all in it.
1:22:25 Dax Shepard? There's only a single completely unbelievable part of the whole movie.
1:22:28 Speaker 03 Go.
1:22:28 Dax Shepard? And it's when Toto offers the kid a ride on Mercedes and he says, no thanks. I'm like, bullshit. Everyone wants to drive for Mercedes.
1:22:37 Speaker 03 Had to get Toto in.
1:22:38 Speaker 01 We love Toto.
1:22:40 Dax Shepard? We had so much fun. I've never encouraged you to watch anything that I've done, but I text you like, you gotta watch Toto on the, but he's so playful.
1:22:48 Speaker 01 So playful.
1:22:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, he's really charming. I didn't watch it, by the way.
1:22:51 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I know, I know.
1:22:52 Speaker 03 I'll get there.
1:22:53 Dax Shepard? You're smart. You know I'm an approval junkie, so you withhold enough to keep me on the hook.
1:22:57 Speaker 01 He has to get through eight viewings of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood first.
1:23:01 Dax Shepard? The only thing we've done a bad job at is the premise of the movie, which is fantastic. We meet you and you are driving in an endurance race. You're one of the drivers, 24 hours of Daytona.
1:23:11 Speaker 03 In a Porsche GT3.
1:23:12 Dax Shepard? And you come out, you've gotten the lead before, then the other drivers lose the lead. You come up, you get them back in the lead, you get out of the car and you're like, don't fucking lose this lead. This guy's like a fucking has been, but he's a genius. He's still incredible.
1:23:25 Speaker 01 Very Good Will Hunting.
1:23:26 Dax Shepard? Yeah. So you're obviously an insanely good driver, but you're kind of a fucking renegade and a vagabond. And then you get approached by Javier Bardem.
1:23:34 Speaker 03 Yeah, the great Javier Bardem.
1:23:36 Speaker 01 Oh my God.
1:23:37 Speaker 03 Can that man wear a suit? Dear lord. He'll be my number two.
1:23:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's a good pick.
1:23:42 Speaker 03 Yeah. He's so good and such a beautiful guy. He, Penelope, his whole family, they're just beautiful people. When you watch a movie, one scene makes the cut, or some kind of amalgamation of one scene makes the cut. But this guy, take after take, he's just doing different things. And any one of them, you could throw up there. And it was so fun to watch. That's the other side of being behind the making.
1:24:02 Dax Shepard? These Spaniards too, they have like an art of living, where you're attracted to his whole thing.
1:24:09 Speaker 03 Europeans, certainly more than Americans, they carve out more time for enjoyment of life than we do.
1:24:13 Dax Shepard? Yeah, they know how to get in the fucking judge.
1:24:15 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:24:16 Dax Shepard? Okay, so he approaches you. He is the owner of this terrible team at F1. And he's in the situation where he has to win a single race or he's going to lose control of the team. And he's got this incredible rookie driver. Dampson Ingers is a rookie.
1:24:28 Speaker 03 Young phenom, but he's just got to get reeled in a bit.
1:24:32 Dax Shepard? This is great. This is Bull Durham.
1:24:33 Speaker 03 Bull Durham is probably the closest connection where two guys have to work together who are at odds through the whole movie. And that's the fun we have.
1:24:40 Dax Shepard? Yeah, it's a great, great relationship.
1:24:42 Speaker 03 He's a gem, man.
1:24:43 Dax Shepard? Snowfall, that's where he's from. He's cocky.
1:24:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:24:46 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I like cocky.
1:24:47 Speaker 03 Yeah. That he enjoys this whole parade in a way I never knew how I admire that about him. But on the court, he's in on the joke. He doesn't mind being the brunt or he'll give it back. He's really well rounded.
1:24:59 Dax Shepard? Well, it's spectacular. You guys did it. You made the most realistic racing movie that's ever been made. You're fucking radical. Okay, I'm gonna end on this. You said, no, I met you before the meeting and you did. And I'm gonna tell you when you wouldn't remember, but I don't think you know the punchline of the story and I think you'll get a kick out of it. So we're at the Academy Awards, Kristen and I, I've never been and I go to take a squirt and she knows you're my number one. You're like three rows ahead of us. We're coming back to the seat and as I'm getting close to her, she's mouthing something to me. I'm like, what? And I hear, he's talking to you. And I go, what?
1:25:40 Dax Shepard? Brad Pitt is talking to you. I'm like, what? Brad Pitt's talking to me and I fucking turn around and you're standing up and you go, we loved your movie.
1:25:54 Speaker 03 Right.
1:25:54 Dax Shepard? And you're talking about hit and run, but I lose my shit. I don't really remember that I've directed a movie at that point. I'm just like, oh, thank you. And you're like, yeah, we loved it. It was so nice.
1:26:06 Speaker 03 You know, if you see people up on screen, you still recognize your people.
1:26:09 Dax Shepard? And I'm doing a hundred percent of the driving in that movie and you know, as someone who does these things, like I'm in shots you can't be in unless you're sideways.
1:26:16 Speaker 03 Just a down home, more country vibe that you just recognize your people in Ireland, New Zealand.
1:26:24 Dax Shepard? So you're standing up at the Academy Awards shouting to me, we loved your movie. So then I sit down and this is the punchline. You don't know about the second after you said that, the very next thing that happened was they started the in memoriam.
1:26:41 Dax Shepard? And I'm sitting down and I'm like this. I'm so happy that Kristen goes, honey, stop fucking smiling.
1:26:53 Dax Shepard? And I couldn't not talk about things I also want the outtakes of. If there's any camera on me during that in memoriam.
1:26:59 Speaker 01 You almost got him canceled.
1:27:01 Dax Shepard? I would have been escorted out of the business. I've never been happier watching this group of dead people be celebrated.
1:27:10 Dax Shepard? So that was the punchline that you missed from that exchange.
1:27:13 Speaker 03 That's a highlight of your life.
1:27:14 Dax Shepard? I love that shit. I love big fails. I'm so grateful that you did this. Thank you, man. I really appreciate it.
1:27:21 Speaker 03 I so appreciate what you guys do and this is the one I got to. I didn't have a choice, did I?
1:27:25 Speaker 01 You did not.
1:27:26 Speaker 03 I mean, we've been talking about wheels. I mean, I think it enters every conversation we ever have.
1:27:31 Speaker 01 That's awesome.
1:27:32 Speaker 03 Something about wheels.
1:27:33 Dax Shepard? It's inexhaustible. F1 is out June 27th. Don't listen to me because I wouldn't trust me. I love everything with engines that you put gas in, but listen to Kristen. Kristen fucking loved it.
1:27:43 Speaker 03 And it's fucking titties.
1:27:45 Dax Shepard? It's fucking titties. Put it on the poster. You can quote me. It can be on the poster. It's fucking titties, Dax Shepard. All right, brother. See you soon.
1:27:54 Speaker 03 Thank you both. Love you.
1:27:56 Speaker 04 He is an arm care expert, but he makes mistakes all the time. Thank God Monica's here. She's gonna let him have the facts.
1:28:05 Dax Shepard? We had a fun run in this weekend.
1:28:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, we did.
1:28:09 Dax Shepard? Delta and Aaron and I went over to Mustard Seed.
1:28:12 Speaker 01 Cafe. That's a cafe nearby.
1:28:14 Dax Shepard? Which I've recently become all renewed obsessed with.
1:28:17 Speaker 01 Yep.
1:28:18 Dax Shepard? Cause they got a, they got a dish for me in there that is, it couldn't be more perfect.
1:28:21 Speaker 01 Describe.
1:28:22 Dax Shepard? Broccoli, egg whites, I add capers.
1:28:25 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:28:26 Dax Shepard? So broccoli, egg whites with capers.
1:28:29 Speaker 01 Scramble?
1:28:30 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:28:30 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:28:31 Dax Shepard? Turkey patty.
1:28:32 Speaker 01 On the side?
1:28:33 Dax Shepard? This is all one dish, you know, one plate.
1:28:35 Speaker 01 Right, but is, is it, is the egg on top of the patty separate?
1:28:39 Dax Shepard? Everything's separated on one plate. And I get this rumalod sauce, which I don't know if I'm saying that correctly, but. I have a whole history with this, which is I thought they made just a special sauce at that place that was their signature proprietary sauce and I was obsessed with it. And then I was there recently and she said, oh, we just ran the like somehow she said like the bottle just ran out and I was like, oh, they're buying it. So then I went home and I searched, that's a popular Cajun sauce. Do you know about remoulade?
1:29:07 Speaker 01 Remoulade, yeah, they have one at Houston's.
1:29:10 Dax Shepard? Oh, it's got horseradish in it, some kind of stuff that I think is fishy, but I, I don't focus on that.
1:29:16 Speaker 01 Sure, probably anchovy.
1:29:18 Dax Shepard? Tartar sauce. Tar, yeah, there's just maybe some cocktail-y type sauce vibes. Does cocktail sauce have fish in it or just you combine it with fish so often that I've associated it with fish?
1:29:31 Speaker 01 You combine it, but it does have horseradish often.
1:29:33 Dax Shepard? But no fish in it?
1:29:34 Speaker 01 It might have anchovy. A lot of things that are tasty have anchovy. You wouldn't know it though.
1:29:40 Dax Shepard? Earmark that, Ewan McGregor on his motorcycle show, he eats so much fish paste and I'm just like, he's so much, he's so much more manly than me. I can't eat fish paste.
1:29:50 Speaker 01 I want you to try it.
1:29:53 Dax Shepard? Nothing sounds worse to me than fish. I already don't like fish in its original form.
1:29:57 Speaker 01 That's what you think. Remember we talked about this on a previous episode where you've been to a restaurant and you were like, I don't like any of these things and then you like it.
1:30:06 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, French Laundry. If, if the French Laundry had a fish paste, I would try it, but they're getting it at a gas station in a tube and they're gobbling it up. Anyways, remoulade sauce ordered, it was great. I'm there getting that wonderful breakfast. I think it's called the lean plate there. And I see you and your tall gentleman friend.
1:30:28 Speaker 01 Jess.
1:30:30 Dax Shepard? Stroll by, you pass through frame.
1:30:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:30:33 Dax Shepard? I'm facing the window.
1:30:34 Speaker 01 Okay, you were inside?
1:30:35 Dax Shepard? Yeah, eating and I said, Delte Monty just walked by.
1:30:40 Dax Shepard? And so she ran out, flagged you down.
1:30:42 Speaker 01 Ran out. It was such a fun pop out. By then I was past, I was at Maru.
1:30:47 Dax Shepard? I was tempted to also run out, but then I had this thing where it's like, it was, we had already eaten. I, I really felt like it was gonna look like we were running out on the check.
1:30:55 Speaker 01 Dine and dash.
1:30:56 Dax Shepard? Dine and dash. Uh, there's another couple of good terms for it. But of course that they wouldn't have thought that because I'm a regular customer there and they know I'm a nice person. But anyways, that, that stopped me. But then you guys were en route to the protest.
1:31:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, we went to the rally in Los Feliz on Saturday. No Kings rally.
1:31:14 Dax Shepard? No Kings, but definitely short Kings. We'll get to that.
1:31:17 Speaker 01 No, not if they're trying to be monarchs.
1:31:20 Dax Shepard? No, just, I like all the boys that have been getting short King love. So you guys are still good. Um.
1:31:25 Speaker 01 Not Napoleon.
1:31:29 Speaker 01 See?
1:31:30 Dax Shepard? He took it too far.
1:31:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:31:31 Dax Shepard? Yeah. He wasn't just getting some dates. He wanted to take over the world. So then I said, where did they say they were at? Let's go look. And then en route to there, we saw you guys. We shouted at you. You're probably already on edge because you were going to a protest. I thought the cops were there. Yeah, we had a very fun run in and you guys looked so excited and yeah.
1:31:56 Speaker 01 We were excited. It all happened very fast.
1:31:58 Dax Shepard? Okay, tell me.
1:31:59 Speaker 01 I told, I think also on the last fact check, maybe or a couple of fact checks ago, was saying that I've been pretty overwhelmed by social media.
1:32:07 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:32:07 Speaker 01 So I was, I kind of wasn't paying much attention to it. Um, and so I didn't know, I didn't know there was like a bit, a day where the country was protesting.
1:32:18 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:32:19 Speaker 01 Trump's birthday.
1:32:19 Dax Shepard? Yeah, you would only find out on social media, right?
1:32:21 Speaker 01 I would. I mean, I don't, I also didn't.
1:32:23 Dax Shepard? You don't watch the news.
1:32:24 Speaker 01 Exactly. Yeah. So, um, Jess texted me in the morning, or he texted me and he said, there's a no Kings rally happening in Los Feliz right now. And I was like, we should go.
1:32:37 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:32:38 Speaker 01 And I was already on my walk.
1:32:40 Dax Shepard? Okay, great.
1:32:41 Speaker 01 So it worked out and he was like, okay, let me just like finish a couple of things. And then next thing he knew, two minutes later, I was at his door. Knock, knock, knock. And he said, oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. I guess where we are going.
1:32:54 Dax Shepard? Yes.
1:32:54 Speaker 01 And so he put on his sunscreen and his tall socks.
1:32:58 Dax Shepard? Ah, yeah.
1:32:59 Speaker 01 And off we went. And we walked there and we ran into you and it was a lovely run in. And it was so, it was so, so fun to.
1:33:08 Dax Shepard? Pause for one second.
1:33:10 Speaker 01 Right. Yeah. So it's almost as if I planned that.
1:33:14 Dax Shepard? Planned the whole rally?
1:33:16 Speaker 01 No, just now you had to step out because there was a dog barking a lot. It is almost as if I planned that because I, I have a, I want to talk about something about dogs.
1:33:26 Dax Shepard? Oh, okay, okay.
1:33:27 Speaker 01 First, let's finish up the rally.
1:33:28 Dax Shepard? Okay. I thought maybe he like farted while I was gone or something.
1:33:31 Speaker 01 No.
1:33:32 Dax Shepard? It feels like a great place to meet a lover.
1:33:35 Speaker 01 I mean, sure, like minded people. I, I could see that, but that really wasn't on our mind.
1:33:40 Dax Shepard? And I had a good party vibe. Like I drove through it.
1:33:42 Speaker 01 It was.
1:33:42 Dax Shepard? Yeah, it felt very much like a parade kind of a vibe.
1:33:45 Speaker 01 It did. And that was one thing about it that I will comment on. It was very, um, heartwarming.
1:33:53 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah. That's what it felt like. As we were driving through, there's also so much to look at. There's so many signs. Everyone's got to put a spin on their thing.
1:34:00 Speaker 01 There's some fun ones.
1:34:01 Dax Shepard? There was really fun ones. There was really, there were some we disagreed with.
1:34:06 Speaker 01 Okay, what did you disagree with?
1:34:07 Dax Shepard? Well, we said, one of them, it was, this man had done a very, a beautiful oil painting of Trump. And it said, this man has never had a friend. And I said, well, that's, that's, he's assuming quite a bit. He seems to know a lot about that. And then we were, then we were making up signs, the three of us of stuff like you couldn't really know, like.
1:34:32 Dax Shepard? He stubbed his toe in second grade on the way to the pool. Well, that was your, your claim that you knew.
1:34:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:34:41 Speaker 01 I.
1:34:41 Dax Shepard? And then there was really clever.
1:34:43 Speaker 01 There was so, there were really, really funny ones. A lot of plays on the word ice, which I found very, very fun.
1:34:50 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:34:50 Speaker 01 I did really like the one that was, that said, you were worried about the cost of eggs, but what about the cost of ice?
1:34:59 Dax Shepard? Uh huh, yeah.
1:35:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, there were some great ones. A lot of dictator, but D I C K.
1:35:05 Dax Shepard? Oh, sure.
1:35:06 Speaker 01 That's a fun one.
1:35:06 Dax Shepard? That's fun, yeah.
1:35:08 Speaker 01 Anyway.
1:35:08 Dax Shepard? Everyone got playful.
1:35:09 Speaker 01 Everyone got really playful and it was a, it was a happy environment.
1:35:15 Dax Shepard? Yep.
1:35:15 Speaker 01 There, it was, it was, it was kind of emotional. Like, there were some, um, people, you know, there was this like young boy with this like Mexican flag and it was really sweet. It was very, it's like, yeah, that's what we're doing this for.
1:35:30 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:35:31 Speaker 01 Um, anyway, uh, it was heartwarming and I'm really, really glad that we went.
1:35:36 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:35:36 Speaker 01 And what I also like about it is it's not, it's not for the purp-, like, it's, it's to show up and say, we don't like what's going on.
1:35:48 Dax Shepard? Mm-hmm.
1:35:48 Speaker 01 It's not active in that, like, it's not a vote, you know, that's what really is gonna make a difference.
1:35:53 Dax Shepard? Right.
1:35:54 Speaker 01 But it, it's solidarity and it's like, look, you're not alone.
1:35:58 Dax Shepard? Yep.
1:35:59 Speaker 01 People are here to support you, whatever. So, anyway, it was lovely. We did that. And then we went to the Beverly Hills Hotel and had a martini.
1:36:08 Dax Shepard? Oh, wonderful.
1:36:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:36:11 Dax Shepard? Very classy of you.
1:36:13 Speaker 01 Uh huh. Um, okay, now, pivoting.
1:36:17 Dax Shepard? Yes, dogs.
1:36:18 Speaker 01 You know, I've taken a break from speaking ill of dogs.
1:36:22 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yes, yeah.
1:36:23 Speaker 01 Cause people don't like it.
1:36:24 Dax Shepard? No, they hate it, yeah.
1:36:25 Speaker 01 And I know, I get it. Like, I get that you love your dogs. But I have a, I had a, I had a resurgence of annoyance for them this weekend. And it was a one-two punch, okay? So.
1:36:40 Dax Shepard? I'm so sorry. I just thought of a very funny analogy. You're just like, Chappelle just couldn't stay away from trans.
1:36:47 Speaker 01 I know.
1:36:48 Dax Shepard? It kept, it kept just pulling, even when he was saying.
1:36:51 Speaker 01 I know.
1:36:51 Dax Shepard? It's not gonna be about trans and then it is.
1:36:53 Speaker 01 And he knows, like, this isn't gonna go well.
1:36:55 Dax Shepard? Yes, and he just, he can't resist.
1:36:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's how I feel. So, I almost texted you Saturday night because I need you to pass along a really important message for me.
1:37:06 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:37:07 Speaker 01 To Amy Poehler.
1:37:08 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:37:08 Speaker 01 Okay, Babers.
1:37:10 Dax Shepard? Babers, AKA Babers.
1:37:11 Speaker 01 AKA Babers. Amy has an awesome podcast, new podcast, new-ish, uh, called Good Hang, and.
1:37:19 Speaker 01 She had Dakota Johnson on her podcast.
1:37:22 Dax Shepard? Who you're obsessed with, people should know.
1:37:24 Speaker 01 I am currently a bit obsessed with Dakota Johnson. I've been going down real rabbit holes. It started because obviously I do watch a lot of, not obviously, but I watch a lot of Vogue videos.
1:37:38 Dax Shepard? You know, obviously was the right word.
1:37:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, I watch a lot of Vogue videos and there's a lot of like, get ready for this red carpet or get ready for this, whatever.
1:37:47 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:37:48 Speaker 01 So I'm served a lot of that content. So I was served Dakota Johnson getting ready for Cannes.
1:37:53 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:37:54 Speaker 01 And I love her, the dress she wore, it's a Gucci dress, pink fringe, sequined silk. Gorgeous. Okay?
1:38:03 Dax Shepard? Uh huh.
1:38:04 Speaker 01 So I was obsessed with the dress. So I was like watching that and then once that happened, it's all I'm getting.
1:38:10 Dax Shepard? Auto load.
1:38:11 Speaker 01 Yes. And then I saw a Vanity Fair.
1:38:15 Dax Shepard? Is she Melanie Griffith?
1:38:16 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:38:16 Dax Shepard? And Don Johnson's daughter?
1:38:18 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:38:19 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:38:19 Speaker 01 And she, um, she notoriously is, has kind of wild press.
1:38:27 Dax Shepard? Oh.
1:38:28 Speaker 01 Uh, tours.
1:38:29 Dax Shepard? Oh, I didn't know this.
1:38:31 Speaker 01 Yes. She, she has some controversial press tours.
1:38:36 Dax Shepard? Political opinions or?
1:38:38 Speaker 01 Like, okay, so she was in Madame Web and it was like a whole thing because she was pretty much shitting on it the whole time.
1:38:45 Dax Shepard? What's Madame Web?
1:38:46 Speaker 01 It was some movie.
1:38:48 Dax Shepard? It was a movie.
1:38:48 Speaker 01 Superhero. Superhero.
1:38:50 Dax Shepard? Okay. And she did a bad job.
1:38:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:38:52 Dax Shepard? Speaking favorably about the product.
1:38:54 Speaker 01 Correct.
1:38:54 Dax Shepard? Yeah, okay.
1:38:55 Speaker 01 And it was a whole thing.
1:38:56 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:38:56 Speaker 01 And I, I will be.
1:38:57 Dax Shepard? So she's a liability on a press tour.
1:38:59 Speaker 01 I will be honest, during the Madame Web thing, I was like, I just think if you're in a movie, it's part of your job. You got paid to be in that movie. You gotta.
1:39:09 Dax Shepard? It's too late.
1:39:09 Speaker 01 It's too late.
1:39:10 Dax Shepard? Sometimes they turn out good, sometimes they turn out bad.
1:39:12 Speaker 01 You kind of got to stand by it unless you were like abused or something.
1:39:15 Dax Shepard? Sure. You gotta go down with the ship.
1:39:17 Speaker 01 Yeah. So anyway, so I had this idea about her based on Madame Web and Callie loves Dakota Johnson.
1:39:24 Dax Shepard? Okay, great.
1:39:25 Speaker 01 And Dakota is her kind of girl crush.
1:39:29 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:39:29 Speaker 01 And, and I was always like, I don't really get it.
1:39:32 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:39:32 Speaker 01 And now I get it.
1:39:33 Dax Shepard? You get it.
1:39:34 Speaker 01 Now I totally get it.
1:39:35 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:39:35 Speaker 01 And I have been wanting to get her on this show because of my new obsession with her.
1:39:42 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:39:42 Speaker 01 Also because I saw Vanity Fair lie detector test she did and she doesn't know a lot like that I found interesting like she didn't they slid a picture of Alex Earl and also Alex Cooper ding ding ding Alex Cooper's episode came out today great episode uh great conversation anyway um she didn't know who they were but she was like oh for Alex Earl she was like oh is it call her daddy
1:40:11 Dax Shepard? Okay
1:40:11 Speaker 01 And they were like no and then they showed that picture and she was like this is a different person like she didn't she doesn't know a lot about pop culture
1:40:19 Dax Shepard? Okay great
1:40:19 Speaker 01 I find all this kind of interesting
1:40:21 Dax Shepard? Yes and it feels authentic to you yeah
1:40:23 Speaker 01 It does feel authentic to me um and anywho so I've been sort of obsessed with her and I've been I've been trying to get her on it can't happen and all of a sudden I see her pop up on Good Hang
1:40:36 Dax Shepard? Oh okay
1:40:37 Speaker 01 So I have mixed feelings about this right
1:40:39 Dax Shepard? Yeah yeah yeah
1:40:40 Speaker 01 I'll be honest I was like fuck
1:40:43 Dax Shepard? Yeah sure
1:40:44 Speaker 01 I wanted her
1:40:45 Dax Shepard? Yeah
1:40:46 Speaker 01 But I love Amy so of course next best thing
1:40:48 Dax Shepard? Yeah
1:40:49 Speaker 01 And I I turn it on and um Dakota has her dog with her Tokyo very very cute dog
1:40:59 Dax Shepard? Yeah
1:40:59 Speaker 01 But this interview is happening oh and I will say she Dakota said she has never done a podcast that was her first podcast ever
1:41:05 Dax Shepard? Okay
1:41:06 Speaker 01 She doesn't she's kind of afraid of them
1:41:08 Dax Shepard? Never heard of a podcast until that moment
1:41:09 Speaker 01 Afraid of them and she felt she'd be safe with
1:41:12 Dax Shepard? Yeah
1:41:13 Speaker 01 Anyway the dog was really taking up a lot of the conversation for the first chunk and I could feel
1:41:24 Dax Shepard? Talking about the dog or the dog was being rambunctious and they were having to corral he or she
1:41:29 Speaker 01 Mainly talking about the dog talking about the dog but the dog was like drinking water out of the cup and then they had to address that the dog was drinking water out of the cup you know It was just very dog centered
1:41:40 Dax Shepard? Yes yes
1:41:41 Speaker 01 And Amy said you know she has a no dogs at work policy
1:41:48 Dax Shepard? Oh she does that must be very controversial
1:41:50 Speaker 01 And I have I mean I I didn't think I could love her more but my god did I feel so seen and and loved I felt loved
1:42:02 Dax Shepard? Okay, great.
1:42:03 Speaker 01 And I want you to tell her that.
1:42:04 Dax Shepard? I'll tell her that.
1:42:05 Speaker 01 Please, um, pass along the message that I felt stressed on her behalf.
1:42:10 Dax Shepard? Uh huh.
1:42:11 Speaker 01 That the dog was, and it wasn't anyone's fault, especially not the dog's fault.
1:42:16 Dax Shepard? Yeah, he's not supposed to be at a podcast, he's supposed to be in the woods.
1:42:19 Speaker 01 Correct. He was really cute, actually. Anyway, whatever. It, Tokyo was commandeering the conversation and I could feel like, if that was us, I would be a little like,
1:42:33 Dax Shepard? You'd lose it.
1:42:34 Speaker 01 We need this dog to get out of here.
1:42:36 Dax Shepard? Yeah, cuz you get.
1:42:37 Speaker 01 There's, there's Tokyo.
1:42:39 Dax Shepard? Wonderful. Tokyo looks like a puppy. Like, if she also, she brought a puppy?
1:42:43 Speaker 01 I think, and actually, to be fair, Tokyo was very well behaved. Tokyo just fell asleep in her lap pretty quickly after that sipping of the water.
1:42:52 Dax Shepard? Wow.
1:42:53 Speaker 01 Anywho, so I, uh, I just really respect Amy's policy.
1:42:58 Dax Shepard? Oh.
1:42:59 Speaker 01 And, um, and then, God, I'm gonna get in trouble for this.
1:43:05 Dax Shepard? That's okay.
1:43:06 Speaker 01 From my friend, so I feel bad, but I, I have to say it.
1:43:10 Dax Shepard? Morally, you feel obligated.
1:43:12 Speaker 01 I do. I'm watching this on Sunday. I feel like Amy's a hero for handling Tokyo so well, but also stating her boundary, but not sticking by her boundary. Okay? It's mixed.
1:43:24 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:43:24 Speaker 01 And.
1:43:25 Dax Shepard? She gets a C on that part.
1:43:28 Speaker 01 I go to Anna's house, and Anna has a dog who we love. Mona, Mona, we love Mona.
1:43:36 Dax Shepard? Just saying this morning, I wish Mona was my dog.
1:43:38 Speaker 01 Mona is a great dog.
1:43:40 Dax Shepard? Mm-hmm.
1:43:41 Speaker 01 And Jess and I went over there to, she got a new apartment, we were gonna see her new apartment, and then we were gonna go on a walk. And as we were getting ready to go, I was like, is Mona coming? Because I could sense that Mona was gonna come with us, okay? And, um, last time we went out, she also came.
1:43:59 Dax Shepard? Uh huh.
1:44:00 Speaker 01 And I, I, I'm very hyper aware when we're out at a restaurant and we have Mona. Also, Mona's huge.
1:44:08 Dax Shepard? Mona's gigantic. Yeah.
1:44:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:44:10 Dax Shepard? She's a.
1:44:11 Speaker 01 And she's in people's biz.
1:44:13 Dax Shepard? Yeah, she's like a puppy.
1:44:14 Speaker 01 She thinks she's a puppy.
1:44:16 Dax Shepard? Yeah, but she's a big girl, like a horse.
1:44:18 Speaker 01 Look, we are in LA. A lot of people are like totally fine standard.
1:44:22 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:44:22 Speaker 01 People are fine with it, but I'm like, Mona is in that person's lap and they're trying to eat and they're strangers. So I already had this last week and then here we are again.
1:44:32 Dax Shepard? With the dark. Well, I think it is Mona, by the way. I think the same offender.
1:44:36 Speaker 01 It is.
1:44:36 Dax Shepard? Yeah, that was barking.
1:44:38 Speaker 01 It is.
1:44:38 Dax Shepard? Yeah, cuz Anna brings Mona to work.
1:44:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, I know.
1:44:44 Speaker 01 So then we're.
1:44:44 Dax Shepard? But I love Mona. I love Mona.
1:44:46 Speaker 01 I do too.
1:44:47 Dax Shepard? Cuz Anna was really nervous that to bring Mona to work cuz I cuz of me. And it took me telling her like a thousand times, like, I love Mona. I don't mind seeing her in the backyard.
1:44:57 Speaker 01 You've been very kind. I keep thinking like, what if someone has an allergy? And then at one point Mona got on the seat. Even if you're not allergic, you might not wanna step over a dog.
1:45:07 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:45:08 Speaker 01 You might not wanna sit on dog hair. And she did it up on the the furniture and then someone did come over and say like, we can't have her on the furniture. And I I, you know, as someone who is a rule follower in general, and I think maybe that's.
1:45:24 Dax Shepard? You don't want attention.
1:45:25 Speaker 01 I don't want attention.
1:45:27 Dax Shepard? That's really what it all is. It's all about attention.
1:45:29 Speaker 01 I don't want attention for something that I fundamentally feel like we're getting in, we're in people's way. I don't like that. Yeah, I really don't like inconveniencing people.
1:45:41 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:45:41 Speaker 01 It feels selfish.
1:45:42 Dax Shepard? Well, it's very tricky for the dog owner because
1:45:46 Dax Shepard? a huge percentage of the city loves it.
1:45:48 Speaker 01 I know.
1:45:49 Dax Shepard? They genuinely love it. Kristen's happier when she runs into a dog at a restaurant or she's got to step over one. Like, it improves her day.
1:45:56 Speaker 01 But she doesn't bring her dogs out.
1:45:59 Dax Shepard? Nope. Ours are assholes, though. They would bite people. But we used to bring Lola around. Lola was cool to take to a restaurant and stuff. If we were gonna sit outside at like, ding ding ding, mustard seed, she ate there a lot. For the dog owner, they're running into tons of people that are so excited to meet their dog.
1:46:15 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:46:16 Dax Shepard? And then the people who are don't enjoy it are not saying anything, nor should they.
1:46:22 Speaker 01 Why? See, this is what's unfair.
1:46:25 Dax Shepard? Well, I'll tell you why. Because. It's small. You have the choice and overall you should go things giving this group of people a lot of joy. I don't like it. I can live with it. I think, I think it's definitely the aspirational version is to just let it be without it bothering you. I think Buddhism, I can't get you, but maybe Buddhism.
1:46:50 Speaker 01 It feels unfair to me.
1:46:51 Dax Shepard? So I recognize they, they might not be fully aware of how much people, but, but, but I would urge the people, you have to acknowledge you're bringing an animal somewhere. Like the, the restaurants and our transportation, they were designed for humans. You throw up, there's not like parking for dogs at restaurants under the table.
1:47:15 Speaker 01 Exactly.
1:47:16 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:47:17 Speaker 01 Or on podcasts and stuff, or at work if you're Amy.
1:47:20 Dax Shepard? Although we gotta be honest, we loved having Nico.
1:47:23 Speaker 01 I know, but Nico, that's a different thing. Nico. Service dog. No, Rob, no. This is also, it's like everyone's just calling them service dogs. That's crazy. You know what my service need is? No barking.
1:47:41 Dax Shepard? No dogs and barking and funny. Listen, yes, at the aforementioned thing, these two, so one person with a fricking boxer, another with a pit bull and they're, they're both insisting the dogs are nice. They're not nice. They get no fight in the doorway.
1:47:54 Speaker 01 They're all barking and causing a scene and making people sort of trip. And like, I don't, I don't, I'm fine with it. I guess. I mean, I'm not, but I am, I have to be in this world, but I want some, instead of me being the enemy, I'd love some acknowledgement that like people who don't like dogs are constantly just dealing with dogs.
1:48:19 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:48:21 Speaker 01 All the time.
1:48:23 Dax Shepard? In LA.
1:48:23 Speaker 01 And they don't get to say anything or they're bad.
1:48:26 Dax Shepard? I don't know what it's like other places. I feel like LA would, would trend towards the liberal.
1:48:31 Speaker 01 Definitely.
1:48:32 Dax Shepard? Maybe crazies would be like Portland, where you, I imagine.
1:48:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, they're like up on the counter.
1:48:40 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, like they they get seated and everyone's got their.
1:48:44 Speaker 01 Well, you said that you went to a pet store, pet store.
1:48:49 Dax Shepard? Oh, yeah, yeah, I picked up food and delivered to a dog recently.
1:48:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:48:54 Dax Shepard? For my other job.
1:48:54 Speaker 01 This is outrageous.
1:48:56 Dax Shepard? Want to hear about Father's Day?
1:48:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:48:59 Dax Shepard? You know, um, the tradition at this house is on Mother's Day, moms get to have a spa day and the dads take the kids away. So you're pretty much in our house, I think in our pod, if it's your Father's Day or your Mother's Day, you get an indulgent day.
1:49:16 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:49:16 Dax Shepard? Right?
1:49:17 Speaker 01 Yep.
1:49:18 Dax Shepard? So mine was, we had just had a guest on, it was one of my funniest favorite moments we've had. Back to me loving being embarrassed. It's a male guest and myself. We come upon the topic of The Godfather.
1:49:34 Dax Shepard? And then we start, the male guest and I start talking about Godfather. And now we're starting to explain to you some things about Godfather. And it hit me all at once. I was like, oh, my God, we're Ken from Barbie.
1:49:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:49:48 Dax Shepard? Oh, my God, was that funny? It was so, we already have been made fun of about it.
1:49:53 Speaker 01 I know.
1:49:53 Dax Shepard? And we still did it.
1:49:54 Speaker 01 You couldn't stop yourself.
1:49:56 Dax Shepard? Oh, my God, that's so funny.
1:49:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was very funny.
1:50:01 Dax Shepard? So then, um, I decided, oh, I am in the mood to watch Godfather. I haven't in 15 or 20 years.
1:50:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, we made a group plan to watch it with this guest who doesn't live in the city. So it's going to take some real planning.
1:50:15 Dax Shepard? Yes.
1:50:16 Speaker 01 Um, and but you couldn't wait, so you had to watch it on Father's.
1:50:19 Dax Shepard? Well, and I would watch it again next week for sure. If everyone wants to get together. But yes, I had, um, two other fathers over and we, I ordered a ton of Italian food.
1:50:28 Speaker 01 Oh, nice.
1:50:29 Dax Shepard? Really good Italian food.
1:50:30 Speaker 01 Ooh, yum.
1:50:31 Dax Shepard? And, uh, watch Godfather and it was a blast.
1:50:34 Speaker 01 Both?
1:50:35 Dax Shepard? No, no, that was the goal. Can't be done. It's like three hours long and we were pausing to go make plates and we were making a lot of jokes. It was very fun.
1:50:44 Speaker 01 Good.
1:50:47 Dax Shepard? But then it was kind of early on the early side. It's five. I still have a bunch of leverage. They're basically like, what do you want to do, Dad? And I said, well, um, if, if everyone's up for it, I, I would want everyone to be up for it. I would love to watch a movie together as a family. Let's grab something from the kids list. I keep a list in my phone, kids movies, Romancing the Stone. These movies that I, I know they'll like.
1:51:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:51:15 Dax Shepard? Oh, Pirates of the Caribbean, that was recently. And so I said to the family, so yeah, something off the kids list. So I was thinking either Rocky or Smokey and the Bandit. And Chris goes, when did Rocky get on the kids movie list? And I was like, oh, I added it.
1:51:35 Speaker 01 Sure.
1:51:35 Dax Shepard? Because we were watching Friday Night Lights and I was like, oh yeah, these sports stories are really simple. You know what the goal is and you know the stakes.
1:51:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:51:42 Dax Shepard? And Rocky was either one best pitcher. It was certainly nominated for best pitcher. It's like an incredible movie. We all watched Rocky. It is a great movie.
1:51:50 Speaker 01 It holds up?
1:51:51 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:51:52 Speaker 01 Great.
1:51:52 Dax Shepard? Yeah, there's so much cool stuff about it. The fact that he, you know the whole story behind Rocky?
1:51:56 Speaker 01 Um, yeah, he paid for the movie.
1:51:58 Dax Shepard? No, he, he had been, he was completely penniless. He wanted to play Rocky and he turned down a million dollars in 1974 for a screenplay.
1:52:08 Speaker 01 And do you know why I know that?
1:52:10 Dax Shepard? Uh, boy.
1:52:11 Speaker 01 Good Will Hunting.
1:52:12 Dax Shepard? Oh.
1:52:13 Speaker 01 They referenced that a lot.
1:52:14 Dax Shepard? They do. So you're watching this guy that really gambled it all.
1:52:19 Speaker 01 And it worked out.
1:52:20 Dax Shepard? And it worked out like as big as could work out. He was the biggest star for 15 or 20 years. But anyways, I felt like I really, I was FaceTiming with my father-in-law. And when I told him what the day was, Godfather, and now we're watching Rocky. He just started laughing so hard. And I said, my powers are so strong today, aren't they? I've convinced everyone to watch Rocky.
1:52:45 Speaker 01 Yeah. Good Father's Day.
1:52:47 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:52:49 Speaker 01 Did the kids like it?
1:52:50 Dax Shepard? They did. They loved it. Yeah, they really, really loved it. Um, there's weird stuff. There's really compelling stuff you have to talk about as a family, which I loved because have you ever seen it?
1:53:00 Speaker 01 I don't think so.
1:53:01 Dax Shepard? He's not smart. This is one of the things I like about it. Like, he wrote himself this role and it's so not vain. Like Rocky is a simple guy. He has to carry his combination to his locker that he's had for six years in his hat, written on a piece of paper. Like, he's very simple.
1:53:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:53:16 Dax Shepard? And Adrian works at a pet shop and she's like morbidly shy.
1:53:21 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:53:21 Dax Shepard? And Rocky knows her brother and he keeps trying to date her. He keeps going to the, the, uh, pet store and she's just too shy to deal with it. And, um, he eventually goes on a date with her and then they, they have this date and then he's, they're at his house and he's like, come inside. And she's like, no, I don't want to come inside, Rocky. He's like, come on, come inside, come inside, you're gonna like it. And she says no like six times, right?
1:53:47 Speaker 01 Oh, boy. Okay, yeah.
1:53:49 Dax Shepard? So you're watching this with your kids and you're like, wow, well, this wouldn't be a scene today. Let's start there.
1:53:53 Speaker 01 Yep.
1:53:54 Dax Shepard? And so she says no, she says no, she says no. Then she says yes. Then she comes in and then she wants to leave and he doesn't want her to leave. And at this point, we will now pause to talk about this.
1:54:07 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
1:54:08 Dax Shepard? And I said, so number one, a woman should never go into a place she doesn't want to go into. She should not have to. Number two, any guy who would not listen to a woman, say no three times and keep pushing her to come in is off the table, is a no-no.
1:54:24 Speaker 01 Right.
1:54:24 Dax Shepard? Three, she is morbidly shy. She's not gonna get to this point ever if some super assertive man doesn't come in and invite her to cross her fear.
1:54:39 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
1:54:41 Dax Shepard? And in her total life.
1:54:44 Dax Shepard? That's also maybe what she needed for her life. Isn't that complex? What do we do with that reality?
1:54:52 Speaker 01 Mm hmm. It's complex, but it is.
1:54:56 Speaker 01 It's an invisible line, but it, there is a line and I think you gutturally know it.
1:55:03 Dax Shepard? Yeah, it's interesting because I said, you know, the analogy I gave them is like, Jackie did not, Jackie was in love with our dog Glenn. We needed to get rid of Glenn. She was in love with him and would not take him because she had such commitment anxiety. And I literally at one point had to shove him in her hands and I shut the door and locked it and said, you're taking him home for the night.
1:55:26 Speaker 01 Story complicated, actually.
1:55:28 Dax Shepard? And it's the love of her life. She thanked me a bunch of times for forcing her to take it. And I knew what would happen the second she got the dog home.
1:55:37 Speaker 01 That's the part, it's the part I knew.
1:55:40 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:55:41 Speaker 01 That is complicated.
1:55:43 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:55:44 Speaker 01 And because.
1:55:45 Dax Shepard? You hope you're a good judge.
1:55:46 Speaker 01 You know what I mean? You, you were in that case, right?
1:55:50 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:55:50 Speaker 01 But there is no knowing about what a person will or won't feel.
1:55:56 Dax Shepard? So do you, do you risk never helping the nine people that are that, that are, you're right about? To prevent the one person you're wrong about?
1:56:05 Speaker 01 I actually think, yeah, personally, I think if Jackie's gonna let the commitment issue derail her life, it's not really on you to change it.
1:56:15 Dax Shepard? It's not, but we're, we're, we're, we're attracted innately to people that we think can get us someplace that can benefit us.
1:56:26 Speaker 01 Uh, sure.
1:56:27 Dax Shepard? Like, you know, like a lot of betas are, they're super attracted to alphas because that they desire someone who doesn't have decision anxiety.
1:56:37 Speaker 01 Yeah, but that's different from, from forcing you to make a decision. You might, you can be attracted to someone's self-assuredness and confidence and their ability to make decisions. And that is attractive if you aren't good at that. I don't think, I, I think. But that then, then it crossing over onto you is where. That is different to me because I think if you're attracted to that, what ends up happening is you sort of take some of it on by osmosis. Like you like it, you're seeing it modeled.
1:57:07 Dax Shepard? Mm hmm.
1:57:08 Speaker 01 And it looks cool. It looks good. You start, you know, you start trying those pieces on.
1:57:14 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:57:15 Speaker 01 But the forcing is where things get muddy for me.
1:57:21 Dax Shepard? Right. And then you're talking about the like the nuance between forcing and pushing.
1:57:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:57:30 Dax Shepard? There's like, there, there's a difference in my mind between forcing and pushing. Like people do, some people want to be pushed.
1:57:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:57:39 Dax Shepard? They want to be helped and pushed in a direction.
1:57:42 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
1:57:42 Dax Shepard? Do they want to be forced? They don't have a decision. No, I don't think so. But I do think people seek out people they know will push them. Some people love coaches. Like I'm not this type of person.
1:57:52 Speaker 01 Right.
1:57:52 Dax Shepard? But there are people that love being coached.
1:57:54 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
1:57:55 Dax Shepard? Love being pushed and yelled at and the whole nine. That's not me.
1:57:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think it, God, though, it's so dependent on the person, the scenario.
1:58:03 Dax Shepard? Well, it's dependent on the outcome because like for Adrienne, she undoubtedly would, if you asked her, she would go, thank God he made me come inside and thank God he didn't let me leave.
1:58:15 Speaker 01 Cause it worked out.
1:58:16 Dax Shepard? Because, yeah, she would have never, ever come out of her, her shell unless someone drug her out. And then she, she was so happy and loved Rocky so much. That's, that's wonderfully complicated.
1:58:29 Speaker 01 Very complicated, yes.
1:58:30 Dax Shepard? I love it. Like what a fun thing to hear their opinions about.
1:58:33 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:58:34 Dax Shepard? Yeah. So it delivered in a lot of ways.
1:58:37 Speaker 01 Great.
1:58:37 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah.
1:58:38 Speaker 01 That's fun.
1:58:39 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:58:39 Speaker 01 Well, I'm glad you had a good Father's Day.
1:58:42 Dax Shepard? Oh, thank you. Me too.
1:58:44 Speaker 01 Fathers are fun.
1:58:45 Dax Shepard? Yeah, they can be.
1:58:46 Speaker 01 Talked to my dad on Father's Day, doing good.
1:58:50 Dax Shepard? Was he spoiling himself?
1:58:51 Speaker 01 No, he, he had exercised.
1:58:54 Dax Shepard? Oh, he did.
1:58:55 Speaker 01 When I called him, he exercises every day.
1:58:56 Dax Shepard? Oh, good.
1:58:57 Speaker 01 He's very disciplined.
1:58:59 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:58:59 Speaker 01 Extremely disciplined.
1:59:00 Dax Shepard? What's his chosen exercise?
1:59:02 Speaker 01 What do you think?
1:59:04 Dax Shepard? Naps?
1:59:05 Speaker 01 He doesn't nap. I've never seen him nap in my entire life.
1:59:08 Dax Shepard? What do I think?
1:59:10 Speaker 01 Knowing me.
1:59:11 Dax Shepard? Jogging.
1:59:12 Speaker 01 Walking.
1:59:13 Dax Shepard? Walking.
1:59:13 Speaker 01 He goes on long walks.
1:59:15 Dax Shepard? Ploter, ploter.
1:59:16 Speaker 01 Outside and on the treadmill.
1:59:18 Dax Shepard? Mm hmm.
1:59:19 Speaker 01 Wow, I like dads.
1:59:21 Dax Shepard? Yeah, me too. Uh, you wanna do some facts?
1:59:24 Speaker 01 Sure.
1:59:24 Dax Shepard? Let's do it.
1:59:39 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:59:41 Dax Shepard? Wow.
1:59:42 Speaker 01 Brad Pitt facts. Who would have thunk that sentence could possibly come out of my mouth?
1:59:48 Dax Shepard? I'm a little scared for us.
1:59:50 Speaker 01 Like we'll die.
1:59:52 Dax Shepard? Yeah, just like.
1:59:53 Speaker 01 It's too good.
1:59:54 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:59:55 Speaker 01 Life's too good.
1:59:56 Dax Shepard? This is suspiciously good.
1:59:58 Speaker 01 There's some real suspicious stuff because that day, the day we recorded Brad, we also recorded an episode, super suspicious that it happened to be on that day, the subject matter. And I'm not gonna say what it is yet, but when that episode comes out.
2:00:13 Dax Shepard? You're gonna protect us.
2:00:14 Speaker 01 Okay, fine. It's on the simulation.
2:00:15 Dax Shepard? It's on the sim, guys. What are the odds of the day that we have the sim, then BP walks in? Your dad's getting playful.
2:00:22 Speaker 01 I don't know if he's getting playful or if we are gonna die and he's like, let's give him a lot of good stuff before they die.
2:00:27 Dax Shepard? Let's go out big. Let's throw Pitt their way. Let's throw a sim expert.
2:00:32 Speaker 01 I'm getting scared talking about it. What a dream. What a dream.
2:00:36 Dax Shepard? I said it to you. I've said it a couple of times. I wanna say it in public. I appreciated you so much in that interview. You did the perfect job. Um, I was just really, really grateful for the way you just handled the whole two hour bacchanalia.
2:00:55 Speaker 01 Thank you.
2:00:56 Dax Shepard? There were moments where you could feel that I probably value being on his good side enough that maybe there's like a next emotional question I would normally follow up with that I was incapable of at times.
2:01:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:01:11 Dax Shepard? And right as I was thinking like, oh, I should ask that. I can't. I'm afraid to ask that. Then you would come. It was, it was every time I ever thought that, you immediately kinda were there to do that.
2:01:22 Speaker 01 Oh, that's nice.
2:01:23 Dax Shepard? And that was awesome. You also were like, um, you knew it was a big day for me. I could see the generosity in your spirit. And then also you would click out of it and go like, no time to make the donuts. And you'd make the donuts and you'd hang back. And then, and then beyond actually all that stuff that was for me selfishly, I was filled with such joy, sincerely.
2:01:48 Dax Shepard? That the little girl that was afraid to talk in front of Mike Schur was sitting across from Brad Pitt and letting it rip.
2:01:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:01:56 Dax Shepard? I just felt so proud of you and happy for you.
2:02:00 Speaker 01 Thanks.
2:02:00 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
2:02:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, we've come a really long way. We really have.
2:02:04 Dax Shepard? You were so competent. I just was really happy for how competent you were.
2:02:08 Speaker 01 Well, BTS.
2:02:10 Dax Shepard? You had shit yourself three or four times.
2:02:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, I had already unloaded. No, I had a whole morning, you know, where I had to talk to myself.
2:02:20 Dax Shepard? You know, steady yourself.
2:02:22 Speaker 01 Yes, about expectations and knowing it was him and knowing
2:02:30 Speaker 01 that there was a chance that I really wasn't gonna.
2:02:37 Speaker 01 It's hard to, that I, I might not be able to say much. I could feel myself when I would think about that, getting upset.
2:02:46 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
2:02:47 Speaker 01 Like, I should be able to say stuff and I am gonna.
2:02:51 Dax Shepard? I'm big enough.
2:02:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, and I'm gonna do it. But also, I'm not, like, I doubt there's gonna be space and how will I, how, you know, and it was starting to happen and then I had to really like take a second and, and, and say, like, this is a big, this is such a big deal for us, not just you, for us.
2:03:15 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah.
2:03:15 Speaker 01 As a show. And it's kind of like the thing, it's kind of like before Matt Damon, when me and you were in a fight and you said, don't let this fight.
2:03:26 Dax Shepard? Fuck up your big day.
2:03:27 Speaker 01 Get in the way of this moment.
2:03:29 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah.
2:03:30 Speaker 01 And you need to be present for this moment.
2:03:32 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
2:03:32 Speaker 01 And I, I've sort of circled back to that, like, this is just a big day for us and it is a big marker of the show and it's something to be proud of regardless of what I singularly do. So, and just enjoy it and be excited. And, and also because.
2:03:56 Speaker 01 I guess, you know, making, not having space was highly possible because this is your dream guest. This is what you've sort of been looking forward to for seven and a half years.
2:04:10 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah.
2:04:10 Speaker 01 And you guys also have a shorthand, you know each other.
2:04:14 Dax Shepard? Hmm.
2:04:15 Speaker 01 Um, it would have made, kind of, kind of. So anyway, I was then very, very grateful that it did not feel like that at all. It felt like there was plenty of space for me. It did not feel like you were like, if I spoke, you were like tensing up.
2:04:33 Dax Shepard? Yeah, we're off story. I have a whole arc plan.
2:04:36 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:04:37 Dax Shepard? Well, I was having my own ruminations in the morning, as one would have. And I, yeah, my thing was like, uh, you gotta prioritize the audience and not you.
2:04:48 Speaker 01 Mm hmm, mm hmm.
2:04:50 Dax Shepard? Cause recently I did prioritize me hanging with a guest. And we left and I was like, I could have, I could have gotten a lot more out of that person. That would have been more rewarding for the audience, but I was definitely, I had prioritized my own experience. I was like, so we can't do that today, Dax.
2:05:09 Speaker 01 Dax Shepard.
2:05:11 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I had a whole laundry list. I had, at that point, I'd watched enough interviews with them. I saw him and Adam Sandler talking for an hour and a half. And what I saw immediately is like, he is so fucking allergic to you saying he's good and stuff. Like, he just doesn't like it.
2:05:23 Speaker 01 Yep.
2:05:24 Dax Shepard? So I'm like, oh, I gotta get through two hours with this guy and not fawn over him.
2:05:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:05:29 Dax Shepard? That's a deal breaker. Cause I had a lot of deal breakers going in.
2:05:33 Speaker 01 Sure.
2:05:33 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
2:05:34 Speaker 01 Well, it went great.
2:05:36 Dax Shepard? But, and I'll, I'll just, I'll credit and thank him. He showed up like so cash, feeling good.
2:05:43 Speaker 01 Relaxed.
2:05:43 Dax Shepard? He put us at ease nicely.
2:05:45 Speaker 01 He did. He really did. He's such a nice guy.
2:05:48 Dax Shepard? He is.
2:05:49 Speaker 01 And it was great and we all had fun.
2:05:51 Dax Shepard? We had a ton of fun.
2:05:53 Speaker 01 That's all we can ask.
2:05:54 Dax Shepard? Yeah. I wanted him to stay forever, but he had to carry on and promote this.
2:05:59 Speaker 01 We kept him way past the amount of time we were supposed to and.
2:06:03 Dax Shepard? Yeah, that was another thing I was, I was like, I was juggling in my head. I'm like 90 minutes. I don't know. I'm gonna have to read him and see if he's cool going over.
2:06:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:06:11 Dax Shepard? Did we blow by that 90? We didn't look back.
2:06:13 Speaker 01 We kept on going. Um, okay, the one thing that I. So before he came, we were getting kind of worked up into a lather.
2:06:24 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:06:25 Speaker 01 Like really feeling.
2:06:26 Dax Shepard? Well, this will remain a mystery. So I text him like 14 minutes before he was to arrive. Hey, this is the gate code. If you want to just pull right in.
2:06:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:06:38 Dax Shepard? And then he wrote like, bueno.
2:06:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:06:40 Dax Shepard? And then he wrote, oh, is that today? And I wrote, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. But then I'm like, I don't know if that's ha, ha, ha.
2:06:47 Speaker 01 I know. We don't know.
2:06:48 Dax Shepard? We don't know.
2:06:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:06:50 Dax Shepard? But suffice to say, we did have 10 minutes while we were waiting for him to get here, where we were just sitting.
2:06:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:06:55 Dax Shepard? Waiting to do the thing we've been thinking about all day long. And for me, three weeks, maybe.
2:06:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, our whole lives.
2:07:01 Dax Shepard? Yes, yes.
2:07:01 Speaker 01 But so then when he walked in, you, you went out and you got him and then you guys walked in. And I, you know, I get up to go introduce myself. And this part's embarrassing. I was gonna cut it, but I left it so people can see it if they want to. I like stuck my hand out to shake his hand. And he, his hands were like full.
2:07:27 Dax Shepard? I missed that part.
2:07:28 Speaker 01 So he like had to like kind of put down his coffee and he had, and he was like, oh, my hands are wet. And so I, but I just had my hand out straight.
2:07:38 Dax Shepard? You weren't moving it.
2:07:39 Speaker 01 For the whole time all this was happening. And I thought, put your hand, but then you have to put it back up. So just leave it.
2:07:45 Dax Shepard? Yeah, this is the stress. And then I yelled at you for not hugging him.
2:07:52 Speaker 01 You did?
2:07:53 Dax Shepard? I think that's in there.
2:07:54 Speaker 01 I didn't even hear that.
2:07:55 Dax Shepard? No, that was with another.
2:07:57 Speaker 01 That was with another heartthrob.
2:07:59 Dax Shepard? And then you hugged him at the end.
2:08:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:08:01 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:08:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
2:08:02 Dax Shepard? But then you hugged Brad at the end, too.
2:08:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:08:04 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
2:08:04 Speaker 01 Anyway, so that was bad. That was the worst part, the handout.
2:08:10 Dax Shepard? Hmm, rough start.
2:08:11 Speaker 01 Yep, but then it, then it was fine.
2:08:13 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
2:08:14 Speaker 01 Then he was just a regular old boy.
2:08:16 Dax Shepard? What did you say though? You said something, then you go, oh, this is off the wrong, on the wrong foot.
2:08:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:08:21 Dax Shepard? You came hot, you came hot. What was it?
2:08:22 Speaker 01 No, I said, I said, I stepped in it already.
2:08:26 Dax Shepard? Yeah, do you remember what it was about?
2:08:27 Speaker 01 Yes, I do. And actually, it leads into my first fact.
2:08:30 Dax Shepard? Okay.
2:08:30 Speaker 01 So the first fact is you asked if he was wearing a waffle.
2:08:35 Dax Shepard? Oh, waffle shirt.
2:08:37 Speaker 01 He's wearing his brand God's True Cashmere, which you're also wearing. And I actively did not wear. I have the shorts. They're so cute. Um, and I actively did not wear that. But, uh, that's like when I was with Gwyneth and like, I didn't wear goop on purpose.
2:08:54 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
2:08:55 Speaker 01 Um, it's that move.
2:08:57 Dax Shepard? Yeah. Your famous move.
2:08:59 Speaker 01 It's like one of my moves. So he's wearing, I'm pretty sure, so I'm on the site right now. And I think he's wearing the Cerulean Melange Cashmere Shirt. It is not a ruffle, a waffle ruffle. It's not a waffle.
2:09:18 Dax Shepard? Okay.
2:09:19 Speaker 01 I think that's the one. It's either that one or the Azure Cashmere Shirt.
2:09:25 Dax Shepard? Hmm.
2:09:26 Speaker 01 Now, no one's gonna like this. Both of those are sold out.
2:09:32 Dax Shepard? Ah, yeah.
2:09:34 Speaker 01 Anyway, if you want to look like me, my shorts are the...
2:09:40 Dax Shepard? I love the origin story of God's True Cashmere.
2:09:43 Speaker 01 Emerald dot Cashmere Surf Shirt is what I have, and it is so cute. What happened is he was telling the explanation of God's True Cashmere. And I said, oh, I thought like, I think the assumption is it's you.
2:09:57 Dax Shepard? That you're the God.
2:09:58 Speaker 01 And he was like, what? He did not like that.
2:10:01 Dax Shepard? No, I was like, well, I know he hates compliments if he gets told he's God.
2:10:06 Speaker 01 But it was, but it was, I thought it was sweet because his shock and horror.
2:10:11 Dax Shepard? That he would do something like that.
2:10:12 Speaker 01 That anyone would think that was actually very endearing.
2:10:15 Dax Shepard? I agree.
2:10:16 Speaker 01 So.
2:10:17 Dax Shepard? It was worth it.
2:10:17 Speaker 01 And I did think that. And I just had to be honest.
2:10:20 Dax Shepard? I appreciate your honesty. I did not think that.
2:10:24 Speaker 01 Well.
2:10:24 Dax Shepard? For whatever reason.
2:10:25 Speaker 01 You were right, for once.
2:10:27 Dax Shepard? You.
2:10:31 Speaker 01 He mentioned that maybe Robert Downey Jr. Was wearing a zoot suit.
2:10:38 Dax Shepard? Hmm hmm.
2:10:40 Speaker 01 And because it said weird science.
2:10:42 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
2:10:42 Speaker 01 But actually, the term zoot suit is primarily associated with Robert Downey Sr.'s film Greaser's Palace.
2:10:50 Dax Shepard? About zoot suit guys.
2:10:51 Speaker 01 I guess.
2:10:52 Dax Shepard? Do you know about zoot suits?
2:10:53 Speaker 01 It says he didn't wear a zoot suit in Weird Science.
2:10:56 Dax Shepard? Do you know what a zoot suit is?
2:10:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:10:57 Dax Shepard? Okay, right. And like LA gangsters wore zoot suits.
2:11:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, we learned about them, I don't know why, in college. The suits were first associated with African Americans and communities such as Harlem, Chicago, and Detroit in the 30s, but were made popular nationwide by jazz and jump blues musicians in the 40s. Okay, in the movie adaptation, the ghost orchid.
2:11:21 Dax Shepard? The ghost orchid.
2:11:22 Speaker 01 Is the flower.
2:11:23 Dax Shepard? Hmm.
2:11:25 Speaker 01 It says, "The film uses the idea of finding your flower, your soulmate, or passion as a metaphor for life's journey."
2:11:31 Dax Shepard? That's an incredible movie. I don't know when the last time you watched that is.
2:11:34 Speaker 01 I don't know if I've ever seen it.
2:11:36 Dax Shepard? It's exceptional, but what's so great is, in the same way I love Fall Guy, it's like acknowledging the meta reality that they're in a movie, making a movie, trying to figure out the story of the movie. It's just so satisfying.
2:11:50 Speaker 01 Yes.
2:11:51 Dax Shepard? And he is reading this very famous writing book, how to, called Story, the most famous screenwriting book there is. It's like the bible.
2:12:02 Speaker 01 Oh, is it like Save the Cat?
2:12:04 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
2:12:05 Speaker 01 Okay.
2:12:05 Dax Shepard? Yeah, so he is struggling to write a script
2:12:11 Dax Shepard? about this orchid hunter, and the movie's about him trying to figure out how to write this script. And he has a twin brother who's like a hack, and he goes to a story book convention.
2:12:23 Speaker 01 Oh.
2:12:24 Dax Shepard? And he's like, "Oh, it's so easy to write," and he's like getting stuff sold.
2:12:27 Speaker 01 Oh.
2:12:28 Dax Shepard? And it's like, it's, it's talking about all the rules in story as it's breaking the rules in story, which is really fun.
2:12:35 Speaker 01 That is great.
2:12:36 Dax Shepard? Yeah, it's very, very meta in the most satisfying way.
2:12:39 Speaker 01 Oh, I love that.
2:12:40 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
2:12:41 Speaker 01 Okay, um, the Harlem Globetrotters, the original Harlem Globetrotters, founded in 1926.
2:12:47 Dax Shepard? Oh, I guess he didn't meet the originals.
2:12:48 Speaker 01 Exactly, that's what I'm, unfortunately, he needs.
2:12:52 Dax Shepard? He needs to know.
2:12:53 Speaker 01 Although he mentioned Curly and Curly's in this mix and he's from 1942, born in 1942.
2:13:01 Dax Shepard? I think I mentioned Curly and I think the characters recycled. I think new basketball players came in, but these roles that the Harlem Globetrotters had, I think they might have recycled.
2:13:12 Speaker 01 What? No, his name is Curly Neal.
2:13:14 Dax Shepard? Yeah. And when I was a kid, there was a Curly as well that was in the Harlem Globetrotters.
2:13:19 Speaker 01 Really?
2:13:19 Dax Shepard? I'm pretty sure.
2:13:20 Speaker 01 It said the first lineup included players like Walter Toots Wright, Byron Fatlong, Willis Kid Oliver, Andy Washington and Al Run- Pullins.
2:13:32 Dax Shepard? Hmm. There's nothing in there about the characters.
2:13:34 Speaker 01 Frederick Curly Neal.
2:13:36 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
2:13:37 Speaker 05 I don't know. There was only one.
2:13:39 Dax Shepard? Okay. It's weird. I knew that one.
2:13:42 Speaker 05 Played for 22 seasons.
2:13:44 Speaker 01 Sweet Lou Dunbar.
2:13:46 Dax Shepard? Well, I think I know Sweet Lou.
2:13:47 Speaker 01 I think he maybe mentioned Sweet Lou. Mainly Curly and Sweet Lou and a bunch of others.
2:13:55 Dax Shepard? They were kind of gone by the time you were on the scene.
2:13:57 Speaker 01 I've heard of them.
2:13:58 Dax Shepard? Yeah. There would be ads all over when they came to your city. It'd be a big deal.
2:14:01 Speaker 01 Cause they did like tricks and stuff, right?
2:14:04 Dax Shepard? Yeah. And they always played the same team and it's like big time wrestling, but with basketball.
2:14:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's fun. Um, that's it.
2:14:13 Dax Shepard? That's everything?
2:14:14 Speaker 01 So Brad Pitt, done? Noah Wiley? Not done yet.
2:14:19 Dax Shepard? Not done yet.
2:14:19 Speaker 01 But hopefully.
2:14:20 Dax Shepard? Mick Cage still out there.
2:14:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, we have, we still, we still got some. We still got good old Tay.
2:14:27 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
2:14:27 Speaker 01 She's always gonna be on the hook.
2:14:29 Dax Shepard? Jay-Z.
2:14:30 Speaker 01 That's right.
2:14:31 Dax Shepard? Yeah. Okay. Thanks to all those people.
2:14:33 Speaker 01 Yeah. Thanks for keeping us going. Um, all right. Love you.
2:14:38 Dax Shepard? Love you.
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