Pod Insights Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard Bobbi Brown (make-up artist and entrepreneur) About this episode Bobbi Brown (Still Bobbi: A Master Class in Leading an Authentic Life) is a make-up artist, entrepreneur, and author. Bobbi joins the Armchair Expert to discuss why the motto "the less I do, the more I’m me” is her secret to happiness, realizing she wasn’t stupid but that things that are boring don’t interest her, and her tips to a happy 37-year marriage. Bobbi and Dax talk about learning how to design make-up looks by working for film and theater departments in college, making her first lipstick after accidentally meeting a chemist, and that make-up is really about relationships. Bobbi explains why she doesn’t believe in correcting but in enhancing, why it didn’t make sense for her to change what the brand was built on as it grew, and that to her natural beauty is not a trend.
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0:00 Dax Shepard? Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert, Experts on Expert. I'm Dan Shepard and I'm joined by Monica Mouse.
0:06 Speaker 01 Hi.
0:07 Dax Shepard? Hi, we have such a fun woman on today.
0:10 Speaker 01 We really do, a legend.
0:12 Dax Shepard? A legend that I was lucky enough to be seated next to at something and I really was charmed by her. Bobby Brown. A lot of Bobby Browns. I think that was my first question to her. How do you deal with the legendary R and B singer Bobby Brown?
0:26 Speaker 01 Right, well, you didn't ask that.
0:28 Dax Shepard? His daughter Bobby Brown, Millie Bobby Brown. There's a lot of Bobby Browns in the mix.
0:34 Speaker 01 Millie Bobby Brown is Bobby Brown's daughter?
0:37 Dax Shepard? No, Bobby Brown is Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown's daughter. There's four Bobby Browns in this story.
0:45 Speaker 01 Oh.
0:46 Dax Shepard? Bobby Brown, who is married to Whitney Houston?
0:48 Speaker 01 Yes.
0:48 Dax Shepard? Their daughter Bobby Brown? They have a son Bobby Brown as well. Son Bobby Brown.
0:53 Speaker 01 Okay.
0:53 Dax Shepard? And then Millie Bobby Brown.
0:55 Speaker 01 Separate.
0:56 Dax Shepard? And then Bobby Brown. So that's five.
0:58 Speaker 01 I see.
0:59 Dax Shepard? And I guess I asked her if when she shows up for a reservation, they're wondering like, well, which will it be? Okay, Bobby is a world renowned makeup artist, bestselling author, entrepreneur, and founder of Jones Road Beauty. And she is here to talk about her new memoir. Did I do it right?
1:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:18 Dax Shepard? Okay, memoir. Called Still Bobby. And gang, I just love her. Big time Laura Laveau vibes for me.
1:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, and she's just an epic business woman. We could hear a lot about that. It's really a cool episode.
1:33 Dax Shepard? Yeah, and she's got a for real no shit take on things. Yeah. Please enjoy Bobby Brown. We get support from Quince.
1:41 Speaker 01 Okay, can we talk about the fact that the holidays are already here? It's crazy. I feel like I blinked and now we're in gifting season, which I'm not really mad about because I do love giving gifts. And Quince is making it so easy to find something great for everyone on my list, including myself. Because let's be honest, self gifting is a love language.
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2:28 Dax Shepard? Well, I'm gonna tell you this. It just got chilly for the first time this year in California, and I'm so excited. And I'm wearing my Quince cashmere right now.
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2:36 Dax Shepard? Yeah, and I am going to gift this to some of my friends. I hope they're not listening.
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3:27 Speaker 01 Okay, can we talk about how November is basically survival mode? Between the holidays, the travel, the hosting, the cooking, the everything. Sleep is the one thing keeping me from completely unraveling.
3:38 Dax Shepard? It really is the foundation. And I think people underestimate how much a bad mattress is quietly ruining their day. You wake up stiff, your back's angry, you're already behind before your feet hit the floor.
3:49 Speaker 01 That was me before Helix. I took their sleep quiz, which is so fast. It took me like two minutes, and they matched me to a mattress that actually fits how I sleep. Not a guess, not a firm or soft coin flip, it's a real match. I have a midnight mattress, and I really like it. I was noticing it because I actually had to sleep in one of my other beds recently.
4:07 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
4:07 Speaker 01 That doesn't have a Helix mattress on it, and I really could tell a big Difference in my sleep.
4:11 Dax Shepard? Temperature was all over the map.
4:13 Speaker 01 It was a mess. I need a new one.
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5:11 Speaker 02 You guys, I just got it yesterday.
5:14 Dax Shepard? Wonderful.
5:15 Speaker 02 So it's the real thing.
5:16 Speaker 01 Is that a Lingua Franca sweater you're wearing? It is. I'm so excited for this because Teenage Beauty was an iconic book for me. So now it's such a full circle. Yes, it was gifted to me when I was maybe in eighth grade from my aunt who loved makeup. And yeah, it was iconic. It was like the pre makeup video.
5:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
5:40 Speaker 01 In book form.
5:41 Speaker 02 I've written two teenage books.
5:43 Speaker 01 Yeah. So this is such a beautiful.
5:44 Dax Shepard? So wait, what was the proprietary take for teenagers? Was there also some messaging about embrace what you are?
5:51 Speaker 02 A hundred percent. You know, it's so normal to feel less than, especially as a teenager. I felt it. There's no question why I'm doing what I do for a living. And instead of going overboard, I've realized that the less I do, the more I'm me. And that's the secret of what makes me happy.
6:08 Dax Shepard? You know what's interesting is we can conceptually acknowledge that we're attracted to novelty in every space. Like if you see a unique car, that's interesting. If you see a unique bit of architecture, but we think. That uniqueness in our faces is not gonna be appealing, but in fact it is. I was trying to tell Monica, like, you're the only one that looks like Monica. It's so exciting.
6:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, uniqueness. But I always find similarities in people. I'm like, you look like, I always think I know someone, but I haven't seen that person in like 30 years.
6:37 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
6:37 Speaker 02 But that's what they used to look like. Yeah.
6:39 Dax Shepard? I have a pattern recognition obsession too. Like if there's a voice that's reminding me of someone, I cannot stop thinking about it until I figure it out.
6:46 Speaker 02 Are you a visual learner like I am?
6:48 Dax Shepard? Explain visual learning.
6:49 Speaker 02 I just could explain everything in pictures. I understand about everything. I can't read how to do something, but if someone shows me I could do it, or if there's pictures.
6:59 Dax Shepard? Then yes, cuz I've said to Monica many times, if I could watch a video on open heart surgery, I'm certain I could do it.
7:04 Speaker 02 Did you get D's in math and science?
7:06 Dax Shepard? Not math and science, but reading and literature, anything that I had to.
7:11 Speaker 02 Well, he has dyslexia.
7:12 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
7:12 Speaker 02 Okay.
7:12 Dax Shepard? And you probably had something, right, that we just don't know?
7:15 Speaker 02 Definitely have ADD. I don't have OCD, but I have OCD tendencies. I like things lined up, but then I mess them up in two seconds.
7:23 Dax Shepard? Okay.
7:24 Speaker 02 I love a clean drawer. Mm-hmm.
7:26 Dax Shepard? Well, let's start with where we just met. I'm gonna say that I had a lovely time sitting next to you. I hope it was mutual.
7:31 Speaker 02 Are you kidding? Two things made that night, besides the award, which is really cool.
7:34 Dax Shepard? So it was the Times 100 most influential people. You were among the awardees and so was Kristen. And we were seated at your table and you and I were seated directly next to each other.
7:43 Speaker 02 And I just remember saying, oh my god, those are the coolest vans with your tuxedo. That was like the first thing I noticed. See this visual thing? Oh, yeah.
7:50 Dax Shepard? Thank you.
7:51 Speaker 02 To me, it's like, well, this guy's really cool. Like, he made that choice to do that because it's what makes him comfortable.
7:58 Dax Shepard? Oh, my gosh, wonderful.
7:59 Speaker 02 Authentic.
8:00 Dax Shepard? And then you, in all the best ways, reminded me of my mother, who's a fucking gangster. She's just a self-made, she was a single woman, who, or single woman, she was a single mother, building a company, and she was just indomitable. And I immediately was like, oh, yeah, yeah, this is the same spirit as my mom.
8:17 Speaker 02 And what company?
8:18 Dax Shepard? It was in the automotive industry, so all of the press fleet for General Motors, ding ding ding, you worked in the GM building forever. Those get lent out to journalists. We throw big car shows and we manage those fleets and all that stuff.
8:30 Speaker 02 Speaking of the car industry, my Papa Sam came from Russia, and he ended up to be Cadillac Sam, but for years he sold Ramblers, DeSoto's, Plymouths. He made his name in Chicago with this car dealership. My Uncle Albert had one, so I kinda grew up in the car industry.
8:45 Dax Shepard? Yeah, what did Dad do?
8:47 Speaker 02 My dad, who was 21 when I was born, personal injury lawyer.
8:51 Dax Shepard? Was his face on a bus stop ever?
8:53 Speaker 02 It was not, but at the time, we heard a siren. My mother turned to him and said, "Oh, they're playing our song."
8:59 Dax Shepard? They're playing our song.
9:00 Speaker 02 But he stopped being a lawyer and became an entrepreneur without even realizing it. He started following his passion. He became a journalist and a writer for We magazine. He traveled the world. And then when he needed money, he went back to being a lawyer. He retired at 70 from being a lawyer. And he started being a children's book author. He has now written 10 children's books. Wow, how cool.
9:23 Dax Shepard? And mom?
9:24 Speaker 02 A homemaker.
9:25 Dax Shepard? A homemaker, okay. And where did they meet?
9:26 Speaker 02 They met in college at Drake University in Iowa. And they're both from Chicago. And my mom made it a semester.
9:36 Dax Shepard? But had met him in that semester?
9:37 Speaker 02 Yes. That's all she needed. Right, yeah.
9:40 Dax Shepard? So it's kind of worked.
9:41 Speaker 02 Yeah. And they were both, coincidentally, like chubby kids. And they lost weight and they became incredibly good-looking. So you'll see the theme in my life about being a chubby kid or gorgeous. I could never be gorgeous.
9:55 Dax Shepard? Yeah. How many Jewish folks were in the community you grew up in?
9:57 Speaker 02 It's easier to count the ones that were not Jewish.
9:59 Dax Shepard? Okay, that's good, because I was going to ask if there was any kind of trying to assimilate to this WASP-y thing and if that was the kernel of why I'm not pretty.
10:07 Speaker 02 No, but first of all, I was obsessed with the WASP-y thing, being a Jewish kid. I would see my friends, they had this great green stuff going on in their houses. It was very Ralph Lauren.
10:17 Dax Shepard? Yeah, right.
10:17 Speaker 02 But not Ralph Lauren, the real Ralph Lauren.
10:19 Dax Shepard? The Kennedy kind of aesthetic.
10:21 Speaker 02 Yeah, I mean, I'm still obsessed with the royal family.
10:24 Dax Shepard? So is monarchy.
10:25 Speaker 02 I like, yeah, yeah.
10:26 Dax Shepard? Great obsession. I'm mad, I don't, I don't like monarchies.
10:30 Speaker 02 Oh, I just love the pretense around everything, the tea and the whole thing.
10:35 Dax Shepard? You like the traditions and the pageantry.
10:37 Speaker 02 I do, and I like the traditions of being Jewish. I'm not a religious Jew. And now that my kids are married to people from other religions and other cultures, I have a little bit of everything, and so I'm really happy.
10:47 Dax Shepard? I like the Jewish traditions a lot as well. My brother converted and I've participated in a ton. And of course, half my friends here in LA are Jewish and I've gotten to go to all of them. And they're great.
10:57 Speaker 02 Yeah.
10:57 Dax Shepard? I've thought if I was forced at gunpoint to join a religion, that would be the one.
11:01 Speaker 02 And I was thinking Quaker. Quakers are great, we just learned about them. But I know they like oatmeal, they like simple things.
11:09 Speaker 01 They're about kindness.
11:10 Speaker 02 They're about kindness.
11:11 Speaker 01 We just had someone on who grew up Quaker.
11:13 Speaker 02 But the same in the Indian culture.
11:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, Hinduism has a lot of that and Buddhism too.
11:18 Dax Shepard? You had a brother or you had more?
11:19 Speaker 02 There was three of us. By the time my dad was 25, he had three kids. He was a lawyer. I had a younger brother and a younger sister. And my brother was the middle kid and the most gorgeous, brilliant kid that just had the absolute worst life.
11:35 Speaker 01 Oh, no.
11:36 Speaker 02 It's very sad.
11:37 Speaker 01 What happened?
11:38 Dax Shepard? Why?
11:38 Speaker 02 He never listened. I think he was too smart for his own good. And back then, parents didn't know what to do with kids that were troubled.
11:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:46 Speaker 02 You know, they didn't know what to do with me with my learning disorders. They just stopped punishing me. My mom said, "You'll probably never be a secretary." She was right.
11:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, skipped a couple.
11:55 Speaker 02 You know, so she let me drop out of typing. So my brother, he was always troubled. He always got in trouble. He didn't pay attention. You couldn't read his writing, but he would do testing and off the charts. And then when he was 16, he took my parents' car and hit a tree. And they told my parents, "He is going to die. They should call a priest." My mother nursed him back to health and he just had a lot of issues. It was really hard to watch. I did everything I could to help him and turned out when he finally got diagnosed, he had personality disorder, which-
12:28 Speaker 01 Borderline?
12:28 Speaker 02 Borderline personality, which is the worst thing because you can't take a pill for it.
12:33 Speaker 01 Yeah. Right.
12:34 Speaker 02 And so he struggled. And then what do you do if you're struggling? You take drugs.
12:39 Speaker 01 Yes.
12:40 Speaker 02 An upper, a downer, a sideways, whatever. And he ended up, after decades being homeless, he ended up passing away of a drug overdose.
12:50 Speaker 01 Oh, I'm so sorry.
12:52 Dax Shepard? We had a borderline personality disorder expert on and I have to say, I entered the interview, I've dealt with that condition in friends. I don't like it and I think I was really judgmental, but I will say, we had this person on, I was like, "Oh, fuck yeah, that's right. No one wants to be born this way." The foundational problem is, "I really don't believe you love me and I'm gonna kind of manifest or prove that." And what a hard, hard way to go through life. And I've since met people since we had that episode on that are like, "Oh, my God, I love that episode. I'm EDP. I've been working on it for four years." I'm like, "That's right, man. All these people are just born with this."
13:25 Speaker 02 Right. The sad thing is for my dad, who's still alive, he's 90 and a half years old. Is that every time Michael would do something stupid, he was just angry and pissed and they'd
13:33 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:33 Speaker 02 scream at each other.
13:34 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
13:34 Speaker 02 I'm like, Dad, it's like as if he has cancer. He has something, he can't help. He could have done this, I told him to do this. And you know, my dad said, here I've got this daughter that gets times 100 and I've got this homeless kid.
13:46 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
13:46 Speaker 02 Like, what the hell?
13:47 Speaker 01 I'm sure he feels guilty about that.
13:49 Speaker 02 He does.
13:50 Speaker 01 At some point, you can't protect your kids and then that's hard.
13:52 Speaker 02 No, you feel bad.
13:53 Speaker 01 You feel bad.
13:54 Speaker 02 But when he passed away, we had a memorial for him and it was so healing. Cause all of his friends came from when he was younger. And all we did is talk about the good Michael.
14:02 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
14:03 Speaker 02 And all the great things. So he got to walk away and say, okay, let's just not think about all the bad things. Cause trust me, it was bad.
14:10 Speaker 01 In your success, cause you're escalating and escalating and that's happening simultaneously. Are you feeling a lot of guilt?
14:16 Speaker 02 Well, I'm so lucky I have my husband because he's a rock and he would deal with things and his secretary would deal with things. There was always a phone call or an emergency. Started out as simple as the electricity is going off. And then it was way, way worse. I'd be on someone's yacht, having this amazing dinner and the phone rang. Or I'd be in Paris at a great restaurant and it'd be my brother who needs something, something. And we'd have to stop what we're doing. The juxtaposition was bizarre.
14:42 Speaker 01 Yes.
14:43 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
14:43 Speaker 02 And I mean, it made me feel terrible for him, but I could look at myself in the mirror and say, Bobby, you did everything in your power.
14:50 Dax Shepard? That's great. You didn't feel that kind of survivor's guilt?
14:53 Speaker 02 No.
14:53 Dax Shepard? Like, why didn't he also get my?
14:56 Speaker 02 My normalness?
14:57 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
14:57 Speaker 02 No. And it's weird, how could people growing up in the same house, one is, I mean, I hate to say I'm normal, but I'm kind of normal and real. I'm functioning.
15:06 Dax Shepard? You're within the spectrum of normal.
15:08 Speaker 02 I'm totally in the spectrum and he was not. And then I have a baby sister, whose whole life is about helping others.
15:14 Dax Shepard? You have three boys.
15:15 Speaker 02 I have three boys.
15:16 Dax Shepard? I have two little girls. I imagine the stress of that for your mother must have been pretty overwhelming.
15:22 Speaker 02 I think so, but upper-middle-class suburbs. My dad, a lawyer, he made a good salary. We always had some help in the house, some interesting help. We had Charlie, who my dad got out of jail and he babysat us for years. That's not in the book, but we had Charlie. And the last day, Charlie worked for us. If you opened our coat closet, you'd see a car. Because he drove a car through the garage into the coat closet. Oh. So my dad finally fired him after decades. Charlie.
15:49 Dax Shepard? Charlie. He hadn't been in prison for another vehicular incident, had he?
15:54 Speaker 02 No, no, I don't think he was in prison since my dad helped him.
15:57 Dax Shepard? And what I know from the book is you're insanely close to your dad.
16:01 Speaker 02 I am.
16:02 Dax Shepard? You call him endlessly throughout your life for advice. The night you meet Steven, you call him the same, my husband. That's a very clear and special relationship. What was the relationship with mom?
16:12 Speaker 02 My mom was diagnosed with manic depressive. And she had her first quote-unquote nervous breakdown when I was in seventh grade.
16:19 Dax Shepard? This would have been in the 70s, right? So they don't know anything about how to deal with it.
16:22 Speaker 02 Right when one flew out of the cuckoo's nest came up. So they just thought she was crazy? We would visit her in the hospital and everyone else looked like that movie. She was on so many drugs, they just gave her a lot of lithium. And she just was making like ashtrays. I don't know what she was making.
16:36 Dax Shepard? How scary was that?
16:37 Speaker 02 It was intense, but I'm someone that always sees the positive. I got to get in the car with my dad, just me and him, and drive to the hospital and listen to music and talk. And I look at that as a positive. I got really close to my dad. And then mom came home and things got better. And then they got divorced. And then she met a great guy. She married him.
16:57 Dax Shepard? That's rare good.
16:58 Speaker 02 And then he died. He had a massive heart attack. I happened to have been home from college. Oh.
17:04 Dax Shepard? What were you telling peers when they would come over and mom wasn't there? Were you able to admit she's away somewhere?
17:11 Speaker 02 I don't remember. Isn't that so weird? I don't remember it being such a big deal. I do remember the woman my dad hired named Elsie, who let us have butter on our buns with our hamburgers and french fries. And my mother was always a health nut. Her weight turned into a health obsession.
17:29 Dax Shepard? Right.
17:30 Speaker 02 So we became all healthy people because of it.
17:32 Dax Shepard? She suggested that you needed to get a nose job?
17:35 Speaker 02 Yeah, my mom came to me one day in bed and she said, "I think you're so pretty." And I said, "Thanks, Mom." And we were really close. And she said, "But I think you'd be gorgeous if you had your nose fixed."
17:46 Dax Shepard? I love "fixed" as a term.
17:47 Speaker 02 All the Jewish girls had their nose fixed. And I remember looking at her and saying, "I don't think there's anything wrong with my nose." And she said, "Yeah, but it would look so cute." I said, "My nose is fine." And she said, "When you're older, you're probably gonna need your eyes done, too."
18:01 Dax Shepard? Okay.
18:02 Speaker 02 And which I haven't done, it's on my list. What does she even mean, like a lift? Yeah, or like you take the excess skin out. It's the one plastic surgery that I see people do that I think looks great, but I'm just, don't wanna do it. And how old were you when she said this? Just started college. Okay.
18:17 Dax Shepard? You're not in need of that at six. I don't wanna broadcast your age.
18:21 Speaker 02 I'm 68 years old.
18:22 Dax Shepard? And you're not in need of it?
18:23 Speaker 02 My lines in my face, I think, look okay. They do, they look great.
18:27 Dax Shepard? You're a babe. I think I told you that when I was sitting next to you.
18:29 Speaker 02 Oh, I would remember that.
18:31 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
18:32 Speaker 02 I just remember the shout-out from Snoop Dogg, which I thought I was so cool until the next day I found out that my brother-in-law's friend wrote his monologue. That's how I got in it. Snoop really didn't know who I was.
18:43 Dax Shepard? Well, my hooker crook. So you were not a great student?
18:46 Speaker 02 I wasn't.
18:47 Dax Shepard? How did you get into Emerson?
18:48 Speaker 02 Well, I felt bad I wasn't a great student. I really thought I was dumb. And now I realize, things that are boring don't interest me. And things that are interesting really interest me.
18:57 Dax Shepard? As we learn more about ADHD, it sounds like you just really have.
19:00 Speaker 02 Yeah, and I do really well when I'm driving or when I'm moving. It's funny, I bought a book on adult ADHD. I couldn't read it. We don't read books. But I kind of, you know. Leave through.
19:11 Dax Shepard? How to Deal with Blindness is a book.
19:13 Speaker 02 Kind of. Like your mom, I figured things out. I literally print things out and I use a pen and I fix it and then I hand it to someone to type. And they retype it and give it back to me and I read it again.
19:24 Dax Shepard? So how'd you get into Emerson?
19:25 Speaker 02 It was my third college. And I went to University of Wisconsin first, at Oshkosh, not Madison. Followed a boyfriend. I graduated high school early, not because I was smart, but because I was always getting my work done. And so, we went and then we all transferred to University of Arizona for a year. With the boyfriend? In Tucson, with the boyfriend. Okay, great. Who I'd been with for five years. We had this friend and the three of us all. Became Three Musketeers. And then in the end of the summer, the high school boyfriend fell in love with the other guy.
19:57 Speaker 01 Oh.
19:58 Speaker 02 Cause he just realized he was gay.
19:59 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
20:00 Speaker 02 But the bad news, the other guy and me fell in love.
20:02 Speaker 01 Oh, boy.
20:03 Dax Shepard? What a twisted triangle here.
20:06 Speaker 02 And I stayed with the other guy for 12 years.
20:08 Speaker 01 Wow.
20:08 Speaker 02 Until I met my husband.
20:10 Dax Shepard? You're such a serial monogamous, cause you've been with 30.
20:12 Speaker 02 37 years married, yeah.
20:14 Dax Shepard? 37 years with Steven.
20:15 Speaker 02 Thank you. I know how to have a happy marriage.
20:17 Speaker 01 Do tell, please.
20:18 Speaker 02 Everyone get your pens out.
20:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
20:20 Speaker 02 Know it pisses them off, and don't do it.
20:22 Speaker 01 That seems easy, but it's really hard to do.
20:25 Speaker 02 I'm sorry I upset you.
20:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
20:27 Speaker 02 That doesn't mean I was wrong. I am, I'm sorry I upset you.
20:31 Dax Shepard? I don't want you to be upset.
20:32 Speaker 02 Right.
20:32 Dax Shepard? And if I played a role in it.
20:34 Speaker 02 I'm really sorry.
20:37 Dax Shepard? So you got to Emerson?
20:39 Speaker 02 Yeah, I got to Emerson. I literally flew up, saw the Magic Pan Outdoor Cafe. You know, being from Chicago, I'm like, I wanna go here. And I got in the day before school started. I created my own major. They didn't have a makeup major.
20:54 Dax Shepard? It was theatrical makeup?
20:55 Speaker 02 Theatrical makeup and a minor in photography.
20:57 Dax Shepard? Did you stick with photography?
20:58 Speaker 02 Are you kidding?
20:59 Dax Shepard? Are you?
21:00 Speaker 01 She loves visuals.
21:01 Dax Shepard? Oh, right.
21:01 Speaker 02 My Instagram is like.
21:03 Dax Shepard? You're active.
21:04 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'm active. And if I'm not putting something up, I'm scrolling and it feeds my curiosity.
21:10 Dax Shepard? It's also an ADHD salve.
21:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, it calms me down, too. I had a business coach, I said, you know, I come home at night, my family's watching TV, and I'm sitting there with my iPad. And my husband's always like, what are you doing? You're not paying attention. I'm like, I am. She said, it calms you down. It's like you're knitting.
21:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:26 Speaker 02 And it does.
21:26 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:27 Speaker 01 Your life is about visuals, so I'm not surprised. It's literally painting the face, so it makes sense.
21:34 Speaker 02 But I'm also really curious about things. I always think there's an answer to everything. So I'm like, I'll find it.
21:40 Dax Shepard? Well, there's something in that. That tells me there's just a simmering, maybe, anxiety. And if I know how it works, I can alleviate the anxiety.
21:49 Speaker 02 Well, it's funny. I texted my girlfriends, the original girlfriends that we all raised our kids together, because I'm going deep into this book thing, and I thank them for being there for me for all the years. And they said, how are you doing? I said, I don't know if I should take Xanax or an Adderall.
22:05 Speaker 02 And my one girl said, I would take a Xanax. I said, well, I took an Adderall.
22:12 Dax Shepard? So you graduate with this degree. Now, when you graduated with that, did you have fantasies of working in film and television?
22:19 Speaker 02 Absolutely. I wanted to be a movie makeup artist. It was glamorous. When I was in college, I wrote a letter to my stepfather's uncle, Sheldon Keller, who was a very famous producer, saying, I want to be a makeup artist. I want to come to LA. Took him three months to write me back. He sent me my letter back with all the spelling corrections. Oh. And said, don't ever send a letter like this until you proofread it. And that was it. So I said, all right, I guess I'm not going into. Oh, boy.
22:45 Dax Shepard? Tough love.
22:46 Speaker 02 So then I moved to New York instead. Great.
22:48 Dax Shepard? Wow, wow, wow. OK, so initially, that did appeal to you.
22:51 Speaker 02 But it's boring.
22:52 Dax Shepard? I'm going to tell you my stereotype of makeup artists. I've been working with them very closely for 20-plus years. First of all, I love them. As a department, they're generally my favorite department. My stereotype is all of them are pretty popular, pretty darn social, pretty empathetic, but not the homecoming queen. They were like popular, but they weren't the belle of the ball.
23:14 Speaker 02 I was in the popular group. I always felt, and my friends say I was wrong. I always felt that I had to work really hard to be liked. But I think it's also my size. I'm five foot tall.
23:24 Dax Shepard? Love it.
23:24 Speaker 02 Me too. You are too? Mm-hmm. We have a different thing, and it makes us successful. Yeah. If it doesn't make you totally neurotic and insecure. Or both. Or both, yeah.
23:33 Dax Shepard? Does it anger you when people try to help you?
23:35 Speaker 02 No.
23:36 Dax Shepard? OK. My wife's got that. She's like, I'm not a baby. You don't need to do this and that.
23:40 Speaker 02 Working really hard with a physical trainer on being able to, no matter what, get off the floor and take my suitcase and put it on top. I don't want to ask someone to do that. I don't want help getting in and out of cars, and I don't want anyone opening up a jar for me. You know when you get those water bottles? Oh, yeah. And I'm like, oh, my God. I won't let anyone do it.
24:00 Dax Shepard? I want to see your training session. Just like a thousand bottles lined up, cracking the seal. Okay, so you get to New York in 1980?
24:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, I graduated in 79, 1980.
24:11 Dax Shepard? When I was reading this chapter, I was like, oh, this is so similar to being an aspiring actor and just landing in L.A. and going like, how the fuck?
24:20 Speaker 02 Right.
24:21 Dax Shepard? Wait, there's a union? How do I get in the union? People have agents? How does one get an agent?
24:24 Speaker 02 But you know what? We only figured it out because we're ninjas. Everyone's like, is the book about resiliency? Not really. It's about being a ninja. It's about figuring out what you have to do.
24:35 Dax Shepard? Following leads. You're almost like a detective.
24:37 Speaker 02 And asking questions. I'm very naive. I love that quality about me, but I'm not afraid to ask questions. But, you know, I literally opened up the Yellow Pages when I got to New York. I just looked up models, modeling agencies, and I figured it out. Kind of what I do now on ChatGPT.
24:53 Dax Shepard? Well, you had a stopover, though, at a transvestite's house, which is fascinating.
24:56 Speaker 02 No, no, no. He came to my house.
24:58 Dax Shepard? Oh, he came to your house?
24:59 Speaker 02 That was terrifying, especially back then. I needed to make money, so I put an ad in the Village Voice, makeup lessons, makeup artists teaching. And some guy called and said, I'd love to come. I'm an actor playing a role. I said, great. I don't remember if it was $100, $200. And he came to my then-boyfriend's studio with his Louis Vuitton bag full of women's lingerie. He was wearing Gucci loafers, and I'm like, this guy's from Connecticut.
25:25 Dax Shepard? And he got in outfit after outfit. He wanted a different look for each.
25:28 Speaker 02 He wanted me to teach him a different look for each.
25:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, sure. Well, hold on, we gotta go back a second. So you feel like you learned when you were in college, like you learned the techniques?
25:40 Speaker 02 No, I didn't learn anything about makeup. I signed up for everything. I became the makeup artist to the film department, the plays. And so I would have to read the scripts, which were not easy for me, and visualize what the characters should be and then design the makeup.
25:54 Speaker 01 Wow, so it's like trial and error a little bit.
25:56 Speaker 02 Yeah, and I figured it out. And in retrospect, it's taught me what not to do in makeup. Like, yeah, you're gonna put something grayish on your lips, you're gonna look dead. You wanna look young, you do pink on the cheeks. So I learned a lot of things.
26:08 Dax Shepard? But we're already getting to what is true in so many industries, which is being creative is really one sliver of the pie. Being talented is one sliver. It's the Yellow Pages and the fucking Village Voice ad. And it's the going to the union going, how do I get in? Sadly for artistic people, that's about 70% of it.
26:26 Speaker 02 Oh, no, it is. And by the way, even when you made it, even after I had a Vogue cover, I still had to work on it. You have to work on everything all the time. And when people say it's so hard, I'm like, yeah. What isn't hard in life? Everything's hard.
26:39 Speaker 01 Exactly.
26:40 Dax Shepard? What would you say were the milestones that bring you to 1990? When you decide to make your first few products?
26:47 Speaker 02 Well, I decided to make the first products because I accidentally met a chemist who made his own lipstick. And I said, I always wanted to make a lipstick. He said, tell me about it. I said, I wanted it to not smell bad. I wanted it to be creamy and not dry, not greasy. And I wanted it to be the color of my lips.
27:06 Dax Shepard? So really quick, that's your novel proprietary take on makeup. Had you already discovered that was your brand and your
27:14 Speaker 02 Yes.
27:15 Dax Shepard? point of view? When did that happen?
27:16 Speaker 02 When I first started doing that kind of makeup, I had people saying, you're never going to work if you do that. People want to have the white faces and the contouring and the overlining and the blue and the yellow.
27:27 Dax Shepard? This is the 80s, remind everyone. People have wild slashes of pink on their face and spattered paint.
27:33 Speaker 02 I did fashion shows. I loved all that fun, creative, but I made it look beautiful. I didn't find it attractive. I don't think I was that talented in that kind of makeup. So I started doing things like, how's this for brilliant? Finding a foundation that was the color of your skin. It wasn't popular, you know. Well, you don't know, but your mother and your grandmother know.
27:53 Speaker 01 No, I know. I was like, I need to thank Bobby for this. Bobby Brown is the first makeup brand that I had that had my color.
27:59 Speaker 02 And duh, to me, it's common sense. The way to choose a foundation is you try it on the side of your face. If it disappears, it's the right color.
28:07 Speaker 01 But lots of brands don't even have all the options. You had such a wide range.
28:13 Speaker 02 And a lot of brands have the options, but they're bad options. Because who's making these decisions?
28:17 Speaker 01 Well, right, exactly.
28:18 Speaker 02 Not a makeup artist.
28:19 Dax Shepard? By 1990, are you kind of a famous makeup artist?
28:23 Speaker 02 I am in the fashion industry. By 1990, I had a cover of Vogue and I was written about in the magazines. You know, Bobby Brown says the trend for the season. But I also was a new mom. My oldest son was born in 1990.
28:37 Dax Shepard? The publicity angle is enormous in this, right? When do you figure out that aspect? Being in that magazine is huge. How do I get in that magazine?
28:44 Speaker 02 I knew the first time I did Glamour magazine and it said on the side, really small, "Hair and Makeup by Bobby Brown." I was like, wow. And then I got phone calls. And then the more I got that and the more people liked either my work, or mostly I think they liked me.
28:59 Dax Shepard? So this is huge. You're a makeup artist and especially if you're a woman, you're gonna spend three and a half hours with sometimes on a day going to the Emmys. Kristen will be with someone in her face for three and a half hours.
29:09 Speaker 02 Probably the same person she usually uses, because it's about relationships.
29:13 Dax Shepard? They're great, but their personality is wonderful.
29:15 Speaker 02 Oh, 100%.
29:16 Dax Shepard? Huge part of it.
29:17 Speaker 02 It's your posse. I have my posse.
29:19 Dax Shepard? Again, this Howard Rourke notion that you'll just be brilliant and everyone will just fucking deal with whatever because you're brilliant. That is not the world we're in anyway.
29:27 Speaker 02 And you've got to figure it out and sometimes it works. And guess what? Sometimes it doesn't work. And then you have to say, okay, that didn't work. What can I do about it now?
29:34 Speaker 01 Back then, was it you had clients and they brought you on for the covers? Or was the magazine hiring you?
29:39 Speaker 02 It was usually the stylist, the photographer.
29:42 Speaker 01 Okay, got it.
29:43 Speaker 02 And then when I was a fashion makeup artist, celebrities were the no. Unless you were Elizabeth Taylor on the cover of Bizarre, it wasn't all about the celebrities. So it was really, it was the supermodels. It was the Cydys, Naomi, Linda, Christie.
29:58 Dax Shepard? Yeah, who were some of the gals you were working with?
30:00 Speaker 02 Cindy Crawford, Linda Vagelista, Christy Turlington.
30:04 Dax Shepard? Oh, she's my favorite. I watched that Models doc, which I knew nothing about any of those folks. And I was like, oh, that's the one I like.
30:10 Speaker 02 You've never met her?
30:11 Dax Shepard? No, we watched that thing and then I was at the Sphere and I looked over and I was like, oh, my God, honey, she's right there.
30:15 Speaker 02 She is the nicest. I see her in a lot of parties in the Hamptons. She hasn't done one thing to her face.
30:20 Dax Shepard? I was gonna say, talk about natural.
30:21 Speaker 02 She is stunning and wonderful and still happily married.
30:25 Dax Shepard? She's an anomaly.
30:26 Speaker 02 She really is.
30:27 Dax Shepard? Okay, so you want this. Lipstick through your savviness and again, your work ethic and figuring things out. You do end up getting this in Bergdorf's.
30:36 Speaker 02 Well, he made a lipstick for me and it was the color of my lips and I loved it. And I said, oh my God, I bet I could sell this. He says, I'll make it. I'll give it to you. We'll charge $15. You take 750, I take 750. I said, great. And I said, people are gonna love this. Then I realized people have different colored lips. This is not gonna look good on someone with darker lips or paler lips. So my ninja brain is like, okay, what colors? And honestly, I was going to the park with my kid. They had nanny friends. I looked at women from all over the world. And I kinda started studying the lips and realizing, you know, some women of color had pink lips, some had dark purple lips.
31:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:12 Speaker 02 Indian women have this kind of really cool heather blue lips. And by the way, in the industry, most of the magazines and makeup artists would say, this is how you correct if your lips are too dark.
31:22 Speaker 01 Right.
31:23 Speaker 02 I don't believe in correcting. I believe in enhancing. I don't draw pencils outside of my lips.
31:29 Speaker 01 Same.
31:29 Speaker 02 Well, you don't have to.
31:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's true.
31:31 Dax Shepard? Shut up. Shut up. It's like me talking about my height or something.
31:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, right? But you know what? We all have gifts in life. And when you start realizing your superpower, that I think is the secret.
31:43 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I had to go like, yeah, I don't have the nose I want. If my mom had said, let's fix it, I might have said yes.
31:49 Speaker 01 Oh, I know what I've been saying. God, here's coming to me for this.
31:52 Speaker 02 But I heard you and Bradley Cooper talking about you guys didn't like your faces when you were young. I'm like, what the hell? You guys are so cute.
31:58 Dax Shepard? Isn't it comforting that Bradley says that? I'm like, all right, no one's immune to.
32:01 Speaker 02 But everybody, being a makeup artist, the stuff you hear.
32:05 Dax Shepard? From supermodels.
32:06 Speaker 02 And over my years, I did Mike Tyson, Matthew McConaughey, Barack Obama, Jill Biden. You get to hear how everyone feels about themselves.
32:14 Dax Shepard? And no one's like.
32:15 Speaker 02 And if no one is like, I'm fabulous, right?
32:18 Dax Shepard? It's like, I nailed it.
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37:57 Speaker 02 One famous supermodel, I'll never forget, and I can't believe I'm telling you this story. She lifted up her shirt and she said, could you just tell me, are they the same size?
38:04 Dax Shepard? Wow. Of course not, none of them are.
38:06 Speaker 02 I said, yes.
38:07 Dax Shepard? Okay.
38:08 Speaker 02 I lied, I'm sorry.
38:09 Dax Shepard? That's fine, that's fine.
38:10 Speaker 02 What was I gonna say?
38:11 Dax Shepard? Yeah, just lie and keep it moving.
38:15 Dax Shepard? So how many different colors?
38:17 Speaker 02 10, we launched with 10, and I started just selling them to people that would want to buy them, friends and neighbors. And then one day I was having lunch with a friend of mine who happened to be the beauty editor of Glamour Magazine. You know, we're talking about how are the kids? She had just had a baby, I had a baby. And she's like, what else is going on? I said, well, I'm doing this little project. We didn't call it side hustles back then. And she said, tell me about it. She goes, oh my God, can I write about it? I'm like, why would you want to write about it? Now I know that's called PR. And we wrote about it and got bombarded with orders. Because it was so different.
38:50 Dax Shepard? And these were like, someone would send you mail, right, to request it?
38:53 Speaker 02 There was a phone number. I think it was the chemist or my home phone. I don't even remember. My husband, Steven, who was in law school at the time, would literally mail them out to the post office. And eventually, we brought my sister-in-law in to do the books. And I was still a working makeup artist, because with Steven in law school, we needed to pay the mortgage.
39:12 Dax Shepard? Then you get into Bergdorf's.
39:13 Speaker 02 We got into Bergdorf's, not because I pitched them, because I was at a party in the city and I said to someone, I thought she was a fancy lady, "Thanks for inviting me." And she said, "Oh, I'm a big fan." I said, "Oh, you know who I am." I said, "Well, what do you do?" She said, "I'm the cosmetics buyer at Bergdorf Goodman." I said, "Oh, I'm working on this lipstick." She goes, "Why don't we take it?"
39:30 Dax Shepard? Let's give it a run. And the expectation was that you would move, hopefully, a hundred a month.
39:35 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:36 Dax Shepard? And you immediately started moving a hundred a day.
39:38 Speaker 02 Yes, in the beginning. And then, while things were growing, we joined with this other couple, business partners.
39:45 Dax Shepard? Who were they? I just read another couple.
39:46 Speaker 02 Yeah, another couple. They were friends. That's in quotes for the listener.
39:51 Dax Shepard? So I guess I know where the relationship went.
39:53 Speaker 02 They were friends. I don't go deep into it in the book, but it was a great relationship. We did really well. It was really tough. But I learned so much. And my husband was so great, because I'd be laying in bed at night, literally in tears, and he would say, "First of all, we don't talk about things at night when he's watching Seinfeld. That was our night. We'll talk about it in the morning." And he said, "But let them win the battle. We're gonna win the war." I had no idea what he was talking about, but he just would like, calm down.
40:20 Dax Shepard? He's the steady rock of your altar.
40:22 Speaker 02 Literally, he's the guy you want on speed dial for anything you need, anytime. Will you give us his number? I did not marry my dad.
40:29 Dax Shepard? You did not marry your dad?
40:30 Speaker 02 No. I married someone that is as smart as my dad, or even smarter.
40:33 Dax Shepard? Okay, but different temperament altogether.
40:34 Speaker 02 Very different temperament.
40:36 Dax Shepard? You're your dad.
40:36 Speaker 02 I'm kind of my dad. I am. I'm kind of my dad, yeah.
40:40 Dax Shepard? You can't. It's best not to marry yourself.
40:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
40:42 Dax Shepard? So it grows incredibly fast. A lot of people would think, oh, if I have a great product and people want it, that's that. Growing is nearly impossible, right?
40:51 Speaker 02 It's tough.
40:51 Dax Shepard? Because you're constantly trying to anticipate, how much can we now bet on this? Because we got to scale up.
40:57 Speaker 02 A lot of it is guesses. A lot of it now is data. It's either data or data. I never know what it is.
41:02 Dax Shepard? If you're a scientist, it's data, and if you're a normal person, it's data.
41:04 Speaker 02 Right, exactly. But basically, I go with my gut. My son, who is the CEO of the company, is like, no, mom, it's all data. So, okay, fine. So when you put that stuff together, it kind of works.
41:14 Dax Shepard? So you're nimble, you're flexible, you're pivoting a lot, and you're young.
41:18 Speaker 02 The first time, what really put me on the map and put Bobby Brown Cosmetics on the map, we sold Bobby Brown Cosmetics to Estee Lauder after four and a half years.
41:27 Dax Shepard? So '95, you sell it.
41:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, so '95, we sell it.
41:29 Dax Shepard? For $75 million?
41:31 Speaker 02 That's kind of the answer, not really. Only because there was a 25-year buyout. Can you tell us details of that for people who don't know?
41:37 Dax Shepard? I think it's really, really relevant.
41:39 Speaker 02 I'm so lucky I have my husband, because I don't really understand it, and he would probably correct me on 10 different things. But whatever number was decided, we'll sell the company. It was also plus whatever percentage on some sales.
41:53 Dax Shepard? They wanted you to continue to run the brand.
41:55 Speaker 02 Right, and I stayed for 22 years.
41:57 Dax Shepard? Right, so that was my question. So you get 75, but then you also have some participation, I imagine, and then you have a salary.
42:03 Speaker 02 Some participation, oh, yes. Meaning we would get percentage of sales at the end of the year.
42:08 Dax Shepard? I say the 75 million, not to embarrass you or tell people your business, but I think it's really relevant to think that you started this company, and four and a half years later, $75 million in 1995 is really like selling for 200 million now, 250. It's an enormous success.
42:22 Speaker 02 When I left the company, it was a billion-dollar brand.
42:25 Dax Shepard? Now, my question, and this is why I want the details of the contract, was a 25-year non-compete standard, that feels so long.
42:32 Speaker 02 I don't know. I've heard different. Look, when I left Bobby Brown Cosmetics, I had four and a half years left, which on someone who's very impatient, and I was 59 years old, I was just like, oh, my God.
42:43 Dax Shepard? No, it must have been absolutely brutal, yeah.
42:45 Speaker 02 Forever, just forever.
42:46 Dax Shepard? Like microwave minutes.
42:47 Speaker 02 When I left, I was like, what am I going to do? Because I'm not someone that sits idly by and knits or needle points or play kaluki or whatever other people do.
42:58 Dax Shepard? So they acquired it in '95. By 2012, Bobby Brown is responsible for 10% of all total sales for Estee Lauder. So it's enormously successful. They're clearly letting you run it without any issue and it's thriving.
43:12 Speaker 02 That's not exactly. There were issues? You know, it was doing really well and they were letting me run it without anything for a long time. And then new CEO and everything really became very harmonious.
43:24 Dax Shepard? Well, antithetical to the original brand, like they wanted a contour because that's popular right now and you're anti contour.
43:30 Speaker 02 It just didn't make sense for me to change what the brand was built on. I know there were these companies like the Kardashians. I can't compete with someone that I'm not. I'd rather just be the best version of myself and that's the business too. And I thought I knew the customer. I thought I knew what women really want. My customer always wanted to look like themselves, put better.
43:52 Dax Shepard? Now, is it possible you were wrong?
43:54 Speaker 02 Possible, but I wasn't.
43:55 Dax Shepard? Like, let's just put it this way, like.
43:56 Speaker 02 I don't think so.
43:56 Dax Shepard? Well, your second venture proves that, but.
43:59 Speaker 02 Yeah.
43:59 Dax Shepard? It'd be worth examining. Okay, at the time you had started that trend and that trend took off. Is it possible the trend was moving away from that? Or perhaps 10% of all the market would want to look that way, but 90% would want to.
44:13 Speaker 02 Sometimes things go in cycles and if I was one of these people that followed all those cycles, we would have no identity and we wouldn't be true to anything. Sometimes you have to kind of sit back and wait for things to bounce back.
44:26 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
44:27 Speaker 02 Like, natural beauty to me is not a trend. It's what's supposed to be. And I've always embraced lines in people's faces and freckles and different color skin and gaps in the teeth.
44:38 Dax Shepard? Well, that's interestingly, one of the many things that started happening, which is you found this incredible model with a gap in her teeth. You did a whole campaign, only to find out later they had airbrushed her teeth to fix it.
44:49 Speaker 02 Without telling me, you're asking me. I was pissed.
44:51 Dax Shepard? What were some of the things that started accruing?
44:55 Speaker 02 Oh my God, when, I used to interview every single person that joined the brand, from the person that greets people when they walked in, every single person, and little by little, people were popping up on the head of international, on the head of this. And I was like. Excuse me, and I remember having a conniption fit. And the president at the time said, they didn't consult me either. Because there's nothing I could do about it. And so little by little, it started just taking away from what the essence of the brand is.
45:22 Dax Shepard? And there were moments where they were coming in and you thought they were looking for your sign off or approval.
45:27 Speaker 02 Right.
45:28 Dax Shepard? And you would disagree and they would say, it's already being released.
45:30 Speaker 02 Why are you bothering me?
45:31 Dax Shepard? Yeah, this is like kind of just pageantry.
45:33 Speaker 02 Again, my naivete was, I got this, I could fix this.
45:37 Dax Shepard? What about the internal confidence in that period? Because I even have waves. Over the last two years, the pushback to wokeness gave rise to this incredibly successful round of podcasters and comedians. And you're just watching this huge swell and you go like, fuck, it's scary. It can create doubt.
45:58 Speaker 02 Things change, and I think the important thing is don't rush into anything. Just kind of sit back and observe and let it be and say, okay, what is right for me? What is right for it? And if you try something different and it doesn't work, go back.
46:11 Dax Shepard? But was there any moment where you were like, man, do I, like, I'm fighting?
46:15 Speaker 02 No. You know, I'm sure if people would be interviewed, Bobby was really difficult to work with. Yes.
46:20 Dax Shepard? Well, we're gonna get to that.
46:21 Speaker 02 By the way, if a color shifted in the market, I was difficult. Go back and fix it.
46:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
46:25 Speaker 02 I cared about these stupid things. And, you know, I was told, get out of the details. No, you can't.
46:31 Speaker 01 That's the whole point.
46:32 Speaker 02 It's the whole point.
46:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
46:33 Speaker 02 And, you know, it's a very different company now.
46:35 Speaker 01 Does it stress you out that it still has your name on it?
46:38 Speaker 02 No, this is a terrible thing to admit, but it would probably stress me out if it was flying and doing phenomenally well without me.
46:45 Speaker 01 Ah, that's a.
46:46 Dax Shepard? That's what would kill me.
46:46 Speaker 01 That's very honest.
46:47 Speaker 02 I mean, it is, it's honest. You know, like, they thought they didn't need me anymore.
46:51 Dax Shepard? So in 2016, this growing situation comes to a head. It's also three years of this. It's getting worse and worse and worse. Your overall well-being is suffering.
47:00 Speaker 02 Yeah.
47:01 Dax Shepard? You also have two kids who've just left for college. So now I want to go back a little bit and talk about. How you decided at that time, running the brand in New York City, that you guys would go to New Jersey and live there and raise your family there? I think that's a pretty unique decision for someone.
47:18 Speaker 02 We moved to Montclair, New Jersey, the day we got back from our honeymoon.
47:22 Dax Shepard? Oh, you did?
47:22 Speaker 02 We did. My husband and I decided we just didn't want to raise New York City kids. And we wanted to be more normal. I would come home from these events and go in the Lincoln Tunnel. I always had a driver and I would take my high shoes off. My hair would go in a scrunchie. I'd put my clogs on in my fanny pack. Now they're all stylish.
47:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly.
47:40 Speaker 02 But back then, look, I'm wearing my Gucci clogs today. I felt really myself when I went home in my life in Montclair, New Jersey.
47:48 Dax Shepard? Would it be fair to say that it helped you compartmentalize the stress of the daytime things? Like, I'm going into a completely different culture and world.
47:55 Speaker 02 A hundred percent. I would get in that Lincoln Tunnel and I would breathe. I would probably call my mother or my father, just get that out of the way. And then call Steven and say, what are we doing for dinner? Like, I didn't plan. What do the kids have tonight? Where are their soccer things?
48:09 Dax Shepard? That could be the danger of living in New York, because you leave the office. Well, let's walk together. Now we're having drinks together. And then just the work never, ever ends.
48:17 Speaker 02 And there was no after-work drinks, because I had a different life, like my second job. And by the way, anyone that knows me, my kids are just the most important thing in my life.
48:27 Dax Shepard? You wrote a thing in there that I can already sense coming and I try to remind myself, which is, the shit in the hallway drove you nuts, the shoes at the door drove you nuts, all the clutter drove you nuts. And now they're gone and it's dead clean. You know, like, I fucking hate this. I hate my job. I think about this so often. It's like Coach Paterno, who had this glorious career. They have a statue in front of Penn of him. Then the Sandusky things happen. They take it down. And I'm like, it's never too late for this incredible life to just turn to shit. And did it feel like, I thought I had a fairy tale life and now I feel like it's turned to shit?
49:00 Speaker 02 No, I didn't think it turned to shit. It was really a tough period when I left the brand.
49:05 Dax Shepard? You lost both your identities.
49:06 Speaker 02 I lost it, but after two days of drinking tequila with my neighbors, seriously, I just started calling people and going out and finding things to do. And then I had a bunch of fun, cool gigs to do.
49:17 Speaker 01 But you couldn't talk about it, right?
49:19 Speaker 02 No, no, until the announcement. I'll never forget, someone called my husband and said, what are we gonna tell everyone? Could we just tell everyone that Bobby's sick? And my husband said, Fuck no.
49:31 Speaker 01 Exactly.
49:32 Speaker 02 He said, why don't we just tell them the truth? But I still wasn't at Liberty until the announcement came out.
49:38 Dax Shepard? Well, this situation ultimately came to a head. And there was a moment where they offered you the same salary.
49:45 Speaker 02 Yeah, same or more.
49:45 Dax Shepard? Or more to go away and show up when needed for kind of PR or when they were wooing another company they wanted to buy.
49:53 Speaker 02 What they said is they want you to be the head of the brand, but get out of the day to day. And to me, that's firing. So they will say they didn't fire me. And they would still say it today. But I was fired. I mean, the day to day is why I did what I did.
50:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's your brand.
50:07 Speaker 02 It was my baby and I thought it was my brand. So I just said, no.
50:12 Dax Shepard? Now, in retrospect, do you think it could have grown to what it grew to without the infrastructure of Estee Lauder? Or do you think if you had not sold, you could have grown it into that same thing without them?
50:27 Speaker 02 Well, I think right now Jones Road is bigger than the current Bobby Brown. I don't know that for sure, but I've been told that by some people. We've got like 40 people running around. It's a totally different day and age. Back then, I would go into Neiman Marcus and have 40 to 100 women waiting for me. Now, we launched something, we've got the internet and we've got thousands and thousands.
50:48 Speaker 01 There's Sephora's now and department stores are not really the place.
50:52 Speaker 02 Yeah. Jones Road is direct to consumer. 90% of our sales, 10% we have stores. I've been driving all over with my husband looking for a location in LA.
51:01 Speaker 01 Ooh.
51:02 Speaker 02 So I'll have to get your take later.
51:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
51:04 Dax Shepard? I think a lot of people, myself included, that would have been a very hard no. Just knowing I could collect, you're like, I'm already fucked. It's already not my brand. Minimally, I guess I should take some money.
51:15 Speaker 02 Right. My very good friend, Mickey Drexler, said, take the money, start a new brand. I said, no, because it wasn't just, here's the money. But it's basically, they said to my husband, she's got to be there if the team needs a question, but she can't tell them if she doesn't like something. Like. What the fuck?
51:31 Dax Shepard? Also, they wanted you to sign a non-disparage.
51:33 Speaker 02 They wanted to sign a non-disparage, which honestly, I'm trying not to say bad things, except the truth.
51:38 Dax Shepard? Right.
51:39 Speaker 02 Yeah. But get me a bottle of tequila and ask me the questions off camera.
51:43 Dax Shepard? Well, here's some dirt.
51:45 Speaker 02 I say this from the bottom of my heart. I am so grateful for everything that I learned from S.D. Lauder, and most of the years were amazing. The last couple of years were not. And I know that's what everyone wants to talk about, but for the years, Leonard Lauder, who just passed away, he was my mentor. He was like a father to me. I can call him and say anything to him and ask him any question. He never judged me for not being a smart business graduate. He thought I was brilliant. And he would say, Bobby, this is what we gotta do. How can we do this? And we would come up with a solution. Well, that is not what happened to the organization at the end.
52:21 Dax Shepard? Yeah, it sounds like from 95 to 2012, it was pretty great.
52:24 Speaker 02 It was.
52:24 Dax Shepard? Seventeen years at a job where you love is a big win.
52:27 Speaker 02 Yeah. And so I left in 17, I think. Was it 16 or 17? You probably know more than me.
52:31 Dax Shepard? You left in 16.
52:32 Speaker 02 In 16, yeah.
52:33 Dax Shepard? Because you launched in 2020.
52:34 Speaker 02 Right, right.
52:35 Dax Shepard? Okay, so you do a lot of weird, interesting things in that gap. You just keep moving is what you do, which I think is the advisable path. And you become a style editor at Yahoo.
52:46 Speaker 02 I became the beauty editor of Yahoo, which was really cool. But I did that when I was still at the brand.
52:52 Dax Shepard? Okay.
52:52 Speaker 02 Because, yeah, and I had to get permission. So I did that. And then when I left the brand, the first project was develop a hotel with my husband called The George in Montclair.
53:02 Dax Shepard? Thirty-one unique rooms.
53:04 Speaker 02 Oh, wow, cool. Thirty-one unique rooms, yeah.
53:06 Dax Shepard? It's in an old mansion.
53:08 Speaker 02 It is.
53:08 Dax Shepard? 1901 it was built or something?
53:10 Speaker 02 Wow, you're amazing.
53:11 Dax Shepard? Thank you. I'm trying to wow you.
53:12 Speaker 02 You have wowed me. You had me at hello. The hug you gave me, I will bring that with me.
53:17 Dax Shepard? Okay, good. Okay, so you dabbled in some stuff. This 25-year non-compete, you must have, I'm assuming, been pretty far down the road, knowing that was expiring. How do you decide you're gonna give it another go?
53:29 Speaker 02 So I left, didn't know what I was gonna do. The first thing that was offered to me was by my friend that owned Lord & Taylor at the time. And he said, why don't you do a Just Bobby shop? We gotta get people in the stores. You could do anything you want. And I'm like, great. I do well with teams. I got a team together.
53:44 Dax Shepard? Well, you met a gal at the Apple Store.
53:46 Speaker 02 Yeah, and I hired her as my assistant.
53:48 Speaker 01 She was like an Apple genius?
53:49 Speaker 02 She was Apple genius. I knew I needed help with my digital. And by the way,
53:54 Speaker 01 So smart.
53:55 Speaker 02 She sat there for two and a half hours. You know, they're usually like, can't help you by? Helping me figuring out how to get my number away from the corporation and so I could own the same number.
54:04 Dax Shepard? She wouldn't give up.
54:05 Speaker 02 She wouldn't give up.
54:05 Dax Shepard? Bobby's like, everyone else would have given up.
54:07 Speaker 02 And she didn't know, she never heard of me. But I offered her the job and she took it. I said, I don't know what we're gonna do.
54:12 Speaker 01 Oh, that's incredible.
54:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
54:13 Dax Shepard? That's Rob back there. I did someone's podcast. I was like, who's this motherfucker? He is on it. I need this guy.
54:20 Speaker 02 I just got his number. First of all, he's from my hometown.
54:22 Dax Shepard? Yeah, Chicago.
54:23 Speaker 02 Yeah, and I want to build one of these in Montclair.
54:25 Speaker 01 Oh, great.
54:26 Speaker 02 He needs your permission to freelance.
54:28 Dax Shepard? Oh, he's already got it. He's already freelancing like a son of a gun. So you did the Lord and Taylor thing. It was great. And then Lord and Taylor went out of business a year later.
54:35 Speaker 02 And so then we brought it digitally online. We tried to figure stuff out. It wasn't uber-successful, but it was fun. Kept me busy. I learned a lot.
54:42 Dax Shepard? When did you start developing the line?
54:44 Speaker 01 Jones Road.
54:45 Speaker 02 I got hired to go to India to be the first ever keynote speaker of the Indian Makeup Conference.
54:52 Speaker 01 Wow.
54:52 Speaker 02 Which was amazing experience. Cody and Pyle were just dating, so trust me, I told every single person that my son's girlfriend is Indian.
55:01 Dax Shepard? You can trust me.
55:02 Speaker 01 Again, because you do, I think, represent makeup for all types of people. So I'm not surprised at all that they asked you.
55:09 Speaker 02 That was a great experience. And then I got asked to do a masterclass, for a masterclass. That was pretty cool. And I started just kind of being curious. I was using all the natural makeup out there because God forbid I put a chemical.
55:22 Dax Shepard? You weren't using Bobbi Brown at that point.
55:24 Speaker 02 No, emotionally, I couldn't use it. I just didn't want to touch it. Stopped following the Instagram. I want no part of it.
55:30 Dax Shepard? I feel you.
55:30 Speaker 02 And then I didn't. Find what I wanted out there in the world. So I said, I wonder if I could do better. And I started calling a couple local chemists, kind of like when I started. And I'd go in there and tell them what I wanted. There's so many things I'm not good at, like I can't fill out the paperwork that needs to be done. I can't do all that stuff. So I hire people to do what I'm not good at. I hired this girl to help me conceptualize. And now she's my COO, but she started as a jack of all trades in product development.
56:01 Dax Shepard? Monica's a babysitter for us at one point.
56:03 Speaker 01 I did start out as the babysitter.
56:04 Speaker 02 Yeah.
56:05 Dax Shepard? This bitch is smart. What are we gonna do here?
56:07 Speaker 02 But it works and it's smart of us to figure it out.
56:10 Dax Shepard? Yeah. So the balm, which is one of the most successful parts was a mistake, which I love. Anything that starts as a big mistake.
56:17 Speaker 02 Yeah. It was not what I asked for when it came. I'll never forget. I opened it up and you know, I was like, God damn it. That's not what I wanted, but I stuck my finger in anyways. And I went like this with my fingers and I tapped it on. I looked in the mirror. I said, oh my God, it's a miracle. Cause you know what? It's moisture. Whenever you're tired, and I have a hippie stick for you. You just take this balm, put it on and it just makes everything look better. Cause by the way, when people don't look good, it's because they're dehydrated. And when you hydrate yourself, you look better.
56:48 Dax Shepard? Our friend Eric just told us recently that he's never put lotion on his face. Like Eric.
56:52 Speaker 01 He doesn't wash it or put lotion or do anything on his face.
56:55 Dax Shepard? He looks pretty good. Imagine what he'd look like if he had been moisturizing for the last 10 years.
56:59 Speaker 02 Well, this guy, what's his name again?
57:01 Dax Shepard? Rob.
57:01 Speaker 02 Rob, he looks like a baby.
57:04 Dax Shepard? He's a cherub.
57:04 Speaker 02 He's 37 years old. He's got two kids and he doesn't have any lines or any age.
57:09 Dax Shepard? Genetics.
57:10 Speaker 01 Genetics. Yeah.
57:11 Speaker 02 A hundred percent.
57:11 Dax Shepard? No, Rob's the cutest guy in Los Feliz. Okay. So the non compete expires.
57:17 Speaker 02 Yes.
57:18 Dax Shepard? It's COVID. There's a lot happening in the world at the end of 2020.
57:21 Speaker 02 Presidential election is about to happen in a week. And everyone says to me, do not launch this now. We went to big PR agencies. Everyone said, don't do it. I didn't hire any of those PR agencies. I hired my neighbor Lynette down the street, who now is still with me and I can't live without. She handles all of Jones Road and all of my personal stuff.
57:39 Dax Shepard? Does Cody come in as the head of marketing initially?
57:41 Speaker 02 So he started coming in with growth. When he came in, our business quadrupled only because we did a call with Gary Vaynerchuk. And Gary said, go on TikTok now.
57:53 Dax Shepard? Yeah, so you were forced to go on TikTok.
57:55 Speaker 02 We weren't forced.
57:55 Dax Shepard? You were.
57:56 Speaker 02 Oh, I was forced.
57:57 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
57:58 Speaker 02 This is a really important entrepreneurial thing. When someone says, go hire a team, go hire a person. I just can't do that. I just do it instantly. Gary said, go hire a team, go hire an agency. And Cody just picked up the phone and said, go, mom. And we put it up and that's how it started.
58:12 Dax Shepard? And it blew up.
58:13 Speaker 02 And it blew up.
58:14 Dax Shepard? So year one, you guys had 15 million in revenue.
58:17 Speaker 02 I think 18 first year. I was hoping to do a million.
58:20 Dax Shepard? Incredible. And then year two was
58:23 Speaker 02 We doubled.
58:23 Dax Shepard? 150, no?
58:24 Speaker 02 No, wait. I don't think we did 150 in year two.
58:27 Dax Shepard? Oh, no, no, 2024, you're doing 150. I'm sorry.
58:29 Speaker 02 Yeah.
58:29 Dax Shepard? I, you caught my first big mistake.
58:31 Speaker 02 Last year, we did 180, maybe.
58:33 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
58:33 Speaker 02 And now we're just shy of 200.
58:35 Speaker 01 Incredible.
58:36 Speaker 02 Industry sources say, because you're not allowed to say.
58:39 Speaker 01 Why aren't you allowed to say?
58:40 Speaker 02 I don't know. It's not cool. I don't know. Whatever.
58:43 Dax Shepard? It's a bad look.
58:43 Speaker 01 It's a bad look, I guess.
58:45 Dax Shepard? To get acquired in five years
58:46 Speaker 02 Yeah.
58:47 Dax Shepard? is pretty miraculous.
58:48 Speaker 02 Isn't this how it works for everybody?
58:49 Dax Shepard? Exactly. And then you started at the end of 2020 and here we are in 2025. And you now have something that of course could get acquired for an enormous amount again.
58:57 Speaker 01 How is your confidence then when you're on TikTok? It's starting. Are you like, God, I really hope I can do this again?
59:05 Speaker 02 Well, no, no, I was never worried about that. You know, I'm like, I don't want to look like an idiot. I don't want someone to listen to this podcast and say, God, Bobby sounds like an asshole. Because sometimes I'm myself and sometimes people think it's the greatest thing. And mostly people that know me will be like, what did she say?
59:19 Dax Shepard? Well, you've been submerged in beauty for 45 years now. 1980, moved to New York. I just know that when I'm here in LA, it's everyone's occupation.
59:31 Speaker 02 Right.
59:32 Dax Shepard? You can't go more than a couple of days without hearing some tip about how to look better, do something better.
59:38 Speaker 02 Well, it's all out there on the internet. It's crazy. There's so much. Now I'm very interested in health and wellness and the hacks that you could do. And all these people that are doing all these weird things like peptides. And I'm just like, bring it on. Just show me, tell me. So I don't obsess about beauty things anymore. I know I'm not getting work done on my face. I do laser, by the way. I swear by lasers because it doesn't alter my face, but tightens and lifts and things like that.
1:00:05 Dax Shepard? College of production.
1:00:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, all that stuff.
1:00:07 Dax Shepard? But in your 30s and 40s when you were surrounded by that. Did that inadvertently make you incredibly self-conscious?
1:00:15 Speaker 02 100%.
1:00:16 Dax Shepard? Do you have body dysmorphia at all?
1:00:18 Speaker 02 Oh, I totally do. There's no question. My friends laugh at me all the time. I'm teeny, but I always think I have to lose weight. And I don't have to lose weight. But now I'm trying to build muscle.
1:00:27 Speaker 01 Yes, which is key.
1:00:28 Speaker 02 Which is really important.
1:00:29 Dax Shepard? Yeah. When you were juggling these million things and that was on the plate, how consuming was that?
1:00:35 Speaker 02 Oh my God, so hard. Do you know what it's like going to the Met Gala? I know you do. But as a five-foot-tall Jewish girl from Chicago, who usually I'm behind the scene doing makeup. And once I did someone's makeup and then I had to go get changed for the Met Ball. That was like the stupidest thing I've ever done.
1:00:53 Dax Shepard? Do you do your own makeup for those events?
1:00:55 Speaker 02 I do. I have someone in my office, my head makeup artist, who does it. She does some things better than me, like my brows. So I always end up taking my hands and I don't like to look like I have a lot of makeup on.
1:01:05 Speaker 01 Yeah. Do you feel like, oh my God, I'm like the walking face of these brands? That's a little stressful.
1:01:12 Speaker 02 Look, what I'm selling now is not changing the way you look. So I'm comfortable with it. And the moment in my life changed me forever. I had a party for, I think it was for Teenage Beauty years ago. And she needed a celebrity to show up back then. And I asked my friend Lorraine Bracco if she'd come. And she said, "I'll do my best to get there. I'm coming back from LA. I'll do my best." Well, the woman shows up, she got off a plane, had not a stitch of makeup on. She walks in, the cameras went crazy. She looks so gorgeous without makeup on. I like more of a natural. I don't think many makeup artists understand how to use makeup and make it look like you're not wearing it. You could put a full foundation, concealer, blush, bronzer, and look like the most glorious part of yourself.
1:01:56 Dax Shepard? Not see this huge line of demarcation.
1:01:58 Speaker 02 And do strong eyes and sparkle and do all that, but still there's a glow and a naturalness.
1:02:03 Speaker 01 You can tell when somebody really knows what they're doing and when they don't. If you had your makeup done a lot, you can tell. Oh, this looks cookie cutter versus this looks like me.
1:02:14 Speaker 02 But also it's my beauty aesthetic. And there's a lot of celebrities and makeup artists have a different aesthetic of what it should be. It's just my aesthetic.
1:02:21 Speaker 01 But it's been working for a long time.
1:02:24 Dax Shepard? Now, I have many times been standing somewhere and thought, I can't believe Being Funny brought me here. Being Funny got me kicked out of class and in the principal's office nonstop. And then I'll be standing somewhere spectacular and I'm like, I can't believe this thing brought me to this place.
1:02:38 Speaker 02 Do you still feel like that sometimes?
1:02:40 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I mean, it's insane. We've interviewed Bill Gates a lot. He happens to love us. He took us to India for a week and we're sitting on his plane flying in India and I'm like, I'm not in venture capital, I'm not a tech person, I'm a comedian. And somehow that brought me to this airplane in India.
1:02:54 Speaker 02 Yeah, but you're not known as a comedian.
1:02:56 Dax Shepard? Initially.
1:02:57 Speaker 02 Okay, but that's not how people know you.
1:03:00 Dax Shepard? Not now, since this show.
1:03:01 Speaker 02 Right, now you've got, well, yeah, and you're an actor.
1:03:03 Dax Shepard? Yes.
1:03:04 Speaker 02 You know, an actor and now you're, you know.
1:03:06 Dax Shepard? God knows what it is.
1:03:07 Speaker 02 God knows, but it's working, whatever it is. I was just on his daughter's podcast.
1:03:12 Speaker 01 Oh, Phoebe.
1:03:13 Speaker 02 She's fantastic. I use this word, normal, real. It's rare, but I appreciate all the moments.
1:03:19 Dax Shepard? But the White House, doing makeup to get you to the White House.
1:03:21 Speaker 02 Yeah, I was in the motorcade. Some guy turns to me, says, who are you? And I said, well, I'm a makeup artist. And I said, who are you? He said, I'm Leon Panetta.
1:03:28 Speaker 01 Ah!
1:03:28 Speaker 02 I'm like, oh, okay, the Secretary of Defense. And I'm like, who are you? He's like, Secretary of Agriculture. I'm like, can you fix our crops?
1:03:36 Speaker 01 Oh, my God. Yeah, you're like, how am I here right now?
1:03:40 Dax Shepard? There was a moment where we were at this table in India and it was, it was the Minister of Agriculture, Minister of Defense, Bill Gates, and everyone had name placards. And I said, Bob Castor. So then it was just like, this feels so stupid.
1:03:53 Speaker 01 And they were like brainstorming on how to like fix the world. And we're just sitting there like totally quiet.
1:03:59 Speaker 02 Did you not say anything?
1:04:00 Speaker 01 No, we couldn't contribute. Yeah, and at one point they were like going around introducing themselves. I was like, oh my God, what's gonna happen when they get us? But we got skipped. Oh, thank God.
1:04:11 Speaker 02 I was on the US Trade Commission, I had to do that too. And it was like weird.
1:04:15 Speaker 01 It's scary, yeah.
1:04:16 Speaker 02 And I just looked up and I looked for Papa Sam. Papa, do you believe that I'm sitting here doing this?
1:04:20 Speaker 01 Right? I know, that's so special.
1:04:23 Speaker 02 No matter what, I don't take it lightly. Being a makeup artist has gotten me some interesting, I just had something at Paul McCartney's house because we saw a movie. My husband and I walked out and we looked at each other, we're like, love this. Doing makeup brought me to this place. And then guess what I did? I went home and I did the laundry and I put away the dishes and I cleaned up and I do what I normally do.
1:04:42 Speaker 01 Went back to your regular life.
1:04:43 Speaker 02 I went back to my old self.
1:04:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, balancing both.
1:04:45 Dax Shepard? Okay, now here's the tough part. So I'm watching this interview with you and it is taking place in one of your brick and mortar stores in presumably New York. And you're being interviewed, but you are so distracted with the fact that you're noticing on the wall, there's this photo that's been mounted to the wall and it's enormous. And you notice there's a tiny scratch in the photo on the neck. You're like, huh, okay, Erin, Erin, you're yelling, Erin, Erin, I want to go, we're on film, so Erin will know what the people are doing. Talking, talking, talking, he's like, this sign should be bigger. Well, Erin, so you have to be a perfectionist.
1:05:16 Speaker 02 I am.
1:05:16 Dax Shepard? To build something in the way you did.
1:05:18 Speaker 02 But I'm also a micro, not a micromanager, I'm a multitasker. So I knew that once I walked off that set, I would not remember to tell Erin.
1:05:26 Dax Shepard? It's now or never.
1:05:27 Speaker 02 It's now or never.
1:05:28 Dax Shepard? I get that, but you are a perfectionist. I believe you have to be. But I would imagine it's hard to work for a perfectionist because I would imagine you might feel like, no matter what I do, she'll find something wrong with it.
1:05:41 Speaker 02 But by the way, the people that work really well with me, like Erin, who literally went to high school with my youngest son. I call her my baby creative director because I think she's finally 27, is phenomenal. And I can say, Erin, yuck, what happened to that? And she'd tell me, or Erin, she goes, yeah, I know they wanted that, but I'm like, I don't want that. Could you?
1:05:59 Dax Shepard? Make it go away.
1:06:00 Speaker 02 Could you make it go away? Erin, that wrinkle under my left armpit, can you get rid of it? She's my guy. Like you could say anything to each other, you have each other's back.
1:06:09 Speaker 01 I'm a huge perfectionist as well and I edit the show and I think the same thing because I'm giving notes and like, they definitely hate me. Because I'm giving these half second notes. It's like that needs to come out because to me, it's everything, actually. It makes a huge difference.
1:06:24 Dax Shepard? I agree with it. I'm just saying, how does one manage the tension of having to work that way and knowing that? I'll give you an example. Bill Gates, he said, there were many years where I came in and I leveled everyone and told them how to be. And I ultimately had to step back and go like, what is the net win? Do I leave that meeting and everyone feels defeated? And they no longer feel passionate about working. So, learning to curb, even if the end goal is, I want this thing to be great, recognizing that might not be the road to get to greatness.
1:06:53 Speaker 02 Well, first of all, having the right people on the team. You know, I've got my retail team, my creative team, my marketing team, my PR team, my PD team, the product development, which is the most important. They know me. And I'm like, guys. And they're like, you're right. And I'm like, thank you guys so much for working on this. I always make sure I thank them. And by the way, they also know that there's times where I am so insanely busy that I don't have a second for anything, or I haven't slept. And they're like, I know you only have a second, just please. And they've got to be passionate. And I have to be passionate about them.
1:07:21 Speaker 01 Does the perfectionism bleed into your personal life? Because I have found this to be a real problem. And I've been like talking to my therapist about this a lot lately because I've had multiple complaints, some from Dax, some from other people. That are like, I don't want to be picked at in life. Here is a different thing. This is my job.
1:07:43 Dax Shepard? I want you to do exactly what you do on the show, and I want you to kill me. And then when we're having dinner on vacation, that's what I kind of said.
1:07:51 Speaker 01 He doesn't want me to...
1:07:53 Dax Shepard? Edit me in real life.
1:07:54 Speaker 01 Yes. And other people have said this to me too. It's not just him. I don't want to be the type of person that sees everything that's wrong or is critical. But it is what I do here, and it's really hard to shut it off in life.
1:08:08 Speaker 02 The good thing is that we're always evolving and the best people are the ones that want to be better versions of themselves. I've had to let go of a lot of things and I've had to learn how to tell people I don't like things in a very different way than I used to. And I've evolved. I've worked really hard, especially with my son and my daughter-in-law, because I want to see the grandkids, number one. But also, we all want the same thing, but sometimes how you get there is tough.
1:08:33 Speaker 01 It's hard.
1:08:34 Speaker 02 It is. It's really hard. And relationships are hard. Do you know how many times Stephen will say to me, I don't work for you? Right? Don't come and bounce orders. Because I'm so used to saying, do this, do this, I need this, I need this.
1:08:45 Dax Shepard? I've said that to my wife.
1:08:46 Speaker 01 It's hard to shut off.
1:08:47 Speaker 02 No, it is hard. And also, I'm anxious. I want things done and I'm always worried I'm gonna forget something. I take on everything because I care about everything.
1:08:55 Speaker 01 Yeah, same.
1:08:56 Speaker 02 And I care about my house. Like, I walk in my house and I re-merchandise things. I move books around or I make sure the bar looks good.
1:09:03 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:09:04 Speaker 02 I do. It's my thing.
1:09:05 Speaker 01 I do that too. You just have to make everything look perfect.
1:09:07 Dax Shepard? You'd feel so comfortable in Monica's apartment.
1:09:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's really nice.
1:09:10 Speaker 02 Isn't it nice? Yeah.
1:09:12 Dax Shepard? Everything. And there's a lot of re-merchandising.
1:09:14 Speaker 01 Yeah. Anytime I feel a little bit out of control, I will re-merchandise. I just look around, I'm like, okay, how can I reposition this?
1:09:21 Dax Shepard? To test my internal feelings.
1:09:22 Speaker 02 You're gonna have to send me your cellphone because I find these things on Instagram that leads me to someone's organization wishlist and all of a sudden, I'm buying organizers, individual little baggies for cords.
1:09:35 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:09:35 Speaker 02 I'm like a nutcase because it does make me feel calm to open a drawer because there's chaos on the news, there's chaos everywhere.
1:09:42 Dax Shepard? Mostly, there's chaos up here.
1:09:43 Speaker 02 There is chaos up there.
1:09:44 Dax Shepard? The mind's not a friendly place.
1:09:45 Speaker 02 Right. But I'm never gonna change. I'm not going to meditate.
1:09:49 Dax Shepard? Right.
1:09:49 Speaker 02 Looking in the eye, I'm not going to meditate.
1:09:52 Speaker 01 Don't make me.
1:09:52 Speaker 02 I'm not going to.
1:09:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, you just have to find what works for you, I guess.
1:09:55 Speaker 02 You do. And not everything works.
1:09:57 Dax Shepard? Well, Bobby, I adore you.
1:09:59 Speaker 01 Aww.
1:09:59 Dax Shepard? I had so much fun sitting next to you. You really sparked the night up.
1:10:03 Speaker 01 Aww, thank you.
1:10:03 Dax Shepard? There was a lot of different people there.
1:10:05 Speaker 02 It was very eclectic.
1:10:06 Dax Shepard? It was. All right. Well, I hope I sit next to you again someday soon.
1:10:10 Speaker 02 I hope so too. And I hope it's not one of those things and I hope it's just at dinner one night.
1:10:14 Dax Shepard? Well, I love your book, Still Bobby. Please check it out. I hope you'll come back and we'll get to talk to you again.
1:10:19 Speaker 02 Thank you.
1:10:19 Dax Shepard? So fun.
1:10:20 Speaker 02 It was a pleasure.
1:10:20 Speaker 01 Thanks.
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1:11:51 Speaker 01 Which is a fair question.
1:11:52 Dax Shepard? Yeah, so Instagram has got something called teen accounts and they come with automatic protections built in by default. So anyone between 13 and 17 is automatically placed into this experience. They get age appropriate content settings, contact limits, so that by default, only people they're already connected to can message them. And time management tools, daily time limit reminders, and also sleep mode that mutes notifications from 10:00 PM to 7:00 AM.
1:12:18 Speaker 01 Sleep mode is genius.
1:12:19 Dax Shepard? Right? And here's the thing, for anyone under 16, a parent has to give permission to change any of those settings to be less strict. The guardrails are on and Instagram keeps building new safety features to create age appropriate experiences for teens.
1:12:35 Speaker 01 I am really glad Instagram is helping to give parents peace of mind with teen accounts.
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1:14:40 Speaker 05 Stay tuned for the fact check. It's where the party's at.
1:14:47 Dax Shepard? Hello.
1:14:50 Dax Shepard? Hello. Oh, we haven't talked, that's how Bob Durst talks, remember? We haven't talked like him in a while. Hello. Hi, and it's Bob. I'm in prison.
1:15:03 Dax Shepard? How much is the house worth in Long Island? Oh, wow, 100 million?
1:15:09 Speaker 01 Even he found love again.
1:15:11 Dax Shepard? He was irresistible. He had lots of lovers. I wanted to be one of his lovers.
1:15:17 Speaker 01 You wanted to date him.
1:15:19 Dax Shepard? He passed, right?
1:15:21 Speaker 01 I think he passed.
1:15:22 Dax Shepard? In prison. I'll never get to nurture him back to sanity.
1:15:26 Speaker 01 You won't.
1:15:28 Dax Shepard? How you doing?
1:15:32 Dax Shepard? Really great blue color, really great.
1:15:34 Speaker 01 Thank you. Yes, it's a new sweater.
1:15:36 Dax Shepard? I feel like I would look good in that for the eye reason.
1:15:40 Speaker 01 You would. It would make your eyes pop. I also bought it in purple today because I liked it so much, putting it on. I was like, I want another color.
1:15:49 Dax Shepard? Okay, sure.
1:15:50 Speaker 01 I bought it in purple, too.
1:15:52 Dax Shepard? Did we discuss the fact that
1:15:57 Dax Shepard? many, many people collected the Got Milk ads?
1:16:00 Speaker 01 See, I knew it.
1:16:01 Dax Shepard? So, I guess it's a double edged sword. It's good news and bad news because I was like, wow, I found the criteria for who to hire.
1:16:07 Speaker 01 Right.
1:16:08 Dax Shepard? Like, I could almost start my own hiring service. And I just ask the applicants one question. I guarantee you, and I'm a phenomenal coworker.
1:16:17 Dax Shepard? So, in some sense, I'm like, well, maybe I'm not being discerning enough because it turns out a lot of people. But also, good news, maybe there's a lot of great folks out there to work with.
1:16:27 Speaker 01 Maybe you're right because it's hard to collect them. Like, you really have to be on the lookout. You have to be on the prowl, keep your eyes wide open.
1:16:39 Dax Shepard? I have such a vague memory. These were like, they'd have a celebrity in like a normal magazine and they'd be standing, they'd hold a glass of milk. Am I thinking of the right thing?
1:16:49 Speaker 01 They would have a milk mustache.
1:16:51 Dax Shepard? A musta- a milk stash.
1:16:52 Speaker 01 And sometimes they'd be holding it, but not always. And in different scenarios, like, there's one with Jennifer Love Hewitt. She's in a kitchen and I think she's wearing like a flannel shirt, I think. And the kitchen's messy.
1:17:07 Dax Shepard? Ah, but she's got milk.
1:17:08 Speaker 01 She's got milk and, well, does she? Because it's a question mark. Got milk?
1:17:12 Dax Shepard? Oh, right, right, right.
1:17:14 Speaker 01 So.
1:17:16 Speaker 01 It was just really.
1:17:17 Dax Shepard? It was a really celebrity driven campaign? Is that what made it so collectible?
1:17:21 Speaker 01 There she is.
1:17:22 Dax Shepard? Hey.
1:17:22 Speaker 01 Hey, I really nailed it, didn't I?
1:17:24 Dax Shepard? You fucking A, you did. Yeah, and it's a, the kitchen's a fucking mess.
1:17:29 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's a mess, because she's made eggs and pancakes.
1:17:31 Dax Shepard? But somehow she made perfect pancakes, but she has no regard for anything else. Like, the way she mixed the batter, it's all over the sides. Yet she did pour, pour them perfectly.
1:17:43 Speaker 01 Do you have an affinity for her because of Party of Five?
1:17:46 Dax Shepard? I did like her on Party of Five, but I was a little older.
1:17:50 Speaker 01 Got it.
1:17:51 Dax Shepard? And Nev was on the show.
1:17:53 Speaker 01 I know, both are great.
1:17:54 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:17:55 Speaker 01 I loved her, though.
1:17:56 Dax Shepard? I mean, she started as kind of a kid.
1:17:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, she was a kid on the show.
1:18:00 Dax Shepard? And then I did, and in my defense, I was, I was 18 when I was saying this. I did think, oh, she is becoming hot. Like, it is weird when these kids on shows become hot.
1:18:08 Speaker 01 Sure. Sure.
1:18:09 Dax Shepard? Does that happen with the boys? Like, Jonathan Taylor Thomas, Jonathan Taylor Tammas. Tammo Shanters.
1:18:19 Speaker 01 Let's go with classic JTT.
1:18:20 Dax Shepard? JTT, do you know I used him in Empire at Amy's birthday?
1:18:23 Speaker 01 You did?
1:18:24 Dax Shepard? I did.
1:18:24 Speaker 01 Did they get, did you get caught?
1:18:26 Dax Shepard? It took forever. I was one of the last people. That's a good one, right, for a Miss Lee? Because I think most people would think, I wouldn't even know that.
1:18:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's right.
1:18:34 Dax Shepard? There, oh, he had one!
1:18:36 Speaker 01 Of course he had one. I think I had him.
1:18:38 Dax Shepard? Was it mostly all youth?
1:18:39 Speaker 01 No, no, there's oldies. Oh, yeah.
1:18:42 Dax Shepard? Oldies with goodies? Any baddies? These are all goodies.
1:18:45 Speaker 01 Oh, no, there's baddies.
1:18:46 Dax Shepard? Oh, there are?
1:18:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, those are the hard ones to find.
1:18:48 Dax Shepard? Speaking of which.
1:18:50 Speaker 01 What?
1:18:51 Dax Shepard? I have started the Charlie Sheen Netflix doc.
1:18:55 Speaker 01 How is it?
1:18:56 Dax Shepard? Fucking awesome.
1:18:58 Speaker 01 Oh, great.
1:18:59 Dax Shepard? It's so good.
1:19:00 Speaker 01 This is a Easter egg.
1:19:02 Dax Shepard? This is, it's so good.
1:19:04 Speaker 01 I'm excited.
1:19:05 Dax Shepard? And do you know what I didn't know? I mean, I knew, I was young enough to have been a, like, an audience goer when he broke out with, like, Platoon and Wall Street. So I remember, like, the meteoric rise, but it's not like you knew a ton about him back then. There was no way to, there wasn't social media, blah, blah, blah.
1:19:22 Speaker 01 Right.
1:19:22 Dax Shepard? I had no idea. He and Nick Cage were, like, inseparable best friends.
1:19:26 Speaker 01 Oh, wow. Did they have a falling out?
1:19:28 Dax Shepard? I doubt it, the way he's chatting about, he clearly loves him to death still.
1:19:33 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
1:19:33 Dax Shepard? But that famous Letterman story that Nick Cage tells, where they were, he was on a flight to San Francisco and he got ahold of the intercom system and he said, "This is your pilot."
1:19:46 Speaker 03 Speaking, I'm feeling unwell and I'm losing control of the aircraft.
1:19:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:19:54 Dax Shepard? He was with Charlie. The two of them were going on that trip and Charlie had an ounce of cocaine taped to his ankle. And when they got off the plane, the police were there.
1:20:03 Speaker 01 Oh, my God. How do you get the, oh, security was different then?
1:20:08 Dax Shepard? Well, you could still go through with the cocaine around your ankles, as long as they didn't pat you down. It wouldn't set off a detector or anything.
1:20:14 Speaker 01 Not now, though.
1:20:16 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I flew with cocaine post nine 11.
1:20:18 Speaker 01 What?
1:20:19 Dax Shepard? Yeah. I'm sorry. Well, I just told this story the other day. I'm sorry, but we made it.
1:20:28 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I had brought, so you know, I had gone out and I, I mean, it was during Idiocracy. I had done a table read. I knew I was gonna get sober for the movie, but I had like a week before the table read and the filming starting. So it's like, I went to the table read.
1:20:42 Speaker 01 Guess what?
1:20:43 Dax Shepard? What?
1:20:43 Speaker 01 It's nine 11.
1:20:44 Dax Shepard? I know.
1:20:46 Speaker 01 Ding ding ding.
1:20:46 Dax Shepard? That's crazy.
1:20:48 Speaker 01 Don't say you didn't.
1:20:50 Dax Shepard? I didn't know it was nine 11.
1:20:51 Speaker 01 But you didn't know what you were doing.
1:20:52 Dax Shepard? I didn't know it was such a ding ding ding.
1:20:54 Speaker 01 Okay, great. Okay, so it's for Idiocracy.
1:20:57 Dax Shepard? Yeah, so I went to like down there for a table read and a fitting and it went well. Like I did good in the tables. I was feeling great.
1:21:02 Speaker 01 Oh, gosh.
1:21:03 Dax Shepard? So you had to reward yourself. I went out and on Sixth Street and before you know it, I've got coke and I meet someone and you know, I have a whole night and then now it's now it's morning time and it's time to go to the airport.
1:21:17 Speaker 01 And you do deed in your bed.
1:21:18 Dax Shepard? I didn't do any duty. I was, I was very clean, but I had to then go get on an airplane and I hadn't slept. So like, I gotta, I'm gonna, I gotta bring this through security with me because I'm gonna crash. Like I'm gonna have the most miserable flight of my life. I'm starting to come down. What I don't bore you with the addict's dilemma, but suffice to say, I took it through security and I went to a bar and I started getting kind of paranoid while I was at the bar, having a Jack and Diet because. Obvious reasons and I'm like, I'm about to start a movie. What if I got arrested? You know, this could derail everything. I just did so good yesterday. No, I'm ruining.
1:21:55 Speaker 01 Oh my.
1:21:55 Dax Shepard? So my solution was I went to the bathroom. I went to the handicap stall and there was a huge toilet paper dispenser with like the double rolls. And I put my hand way up there and there was like a little shelf up in there. So I put my bag, well, I did a bunch and then I put my bag of Coke up in this dispenser. And then I went back to the bar and had like another Jack and Diet. And after that one, I'm like, oh, I'd like a bump. So I go back to the handicap bathroom. And Monica, I put my hand on like down the thing and I'm fishing around inside this toilet paper dispenser. And I'm like, oh, fuck, it's not here. And then I like look and it's not fallen anywhere. And in my brain, which has now been up for, you know, day and a half, two days.
1:22:37 Dax Shepard? It's more. I go, oh, fuck. They, someone found it. Like they pulled the toilet paper. They found it. They alerted the authorities. The authorities have been waiting to see who's gonna go into the handicap stall. So I sat in this handicap stall like 1,000% convinced that there were cops in the, in the bathroom, waiting for me. And I was just like, what do we do? What's our game plan? We gotta, well, we don't have any honors. But they know, cause they, and eventually I was like, I gotta face the music. And then I walk in, there's nobody, there's nobody there. Who knows where that went? Somebody presumably got a free bag.
1:23:17 Speaker 01 But also so wild that somebody would think to, maybe it was, it was probably someone cleaning the bathroom who was replacing the toilet paper and found it. I hope, I mean, I hope.
1:23:28 Dax Shepard? Sometimes you give those things a good yank or maybe they rattled it enough that it fell out. And then maybe the other guy was a playboy and he was like, hey, look at this.
1:23:37 Speaker 01 I mean, a lot of things have to be coming together for that. Cause if I yanked on a toilet paper and Coke fell down.
1:23:45 Dax Shepard? Yeah, you'd scream.
1:23:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:23:46 Dax Shepard? Yeah. And you'd be like, snakes. But in them, in your mind at that time, cause I already know I'm in, I know I'm a bad boy. I should not be doing this. I should be being sober for this movie. I'm also supposed to be gaining a lot of weight and I haven't now eaten in 36 hours, but that's a side note. But the notion that if a bag of Coke is found, that they will now initiate a sting operation.
1:24:08 Speaker 01 That's how I feel.
1:24:09 Dax Shepard? Never, I mean, that would never happen.
1:24:10 Speaker 01 Don't say never, never say never. I would assume, yeah, they would fingerprint this.
1:24:15 Dax Shepard? Uh huh.
1:24:16 Speaker 01 And they would see who came.
1:24:17 Dax Shepard? All.
1:24:18 Speaker 01 I know.
1:24:18 Dax Shepard? They have a grubby little fingerprint.
1:24:20 Speaker 01 Who came through the airport, around what time, who's they, I felt, feel like they could find you.
1:24:26 Dax Shepard? I even think I was like, oh my God, I gotta, cause you know, I'm using a key.
1:24:30 Speaker 01 What do you mean?
1:24:31 Dax Shepard? Know that, like I'm dipping my key in the bag and doing key bumps.
1:24:35 Speaker 01 Why?
1:24:35 Dax Shepard? That's how I'm getting it in my body. Well, I gotta get it out of this bag and into my nasal passage.
1:24:39 Speaker 01 Why can't you use your finger?
1:24:41 Dax Shepard? Like stick my finger in the, what, put my finger in my nose?
1:24:44 Speaker 01 That's weirder than putting it on a key.
1:24:46 Dax Shepard? You can make a little pile and then you can.
1:24:48 Speaker 01 I can't believe you, you just acted like what I was saying was crazy.
1:24:52 Dax Shepard? Well, if you ever tried to do coke with your finger, you'd find out that was a crazy plan.
1:24:56 Speaker 01 Nails.
1:24:57 Dax Shepard? Yeah, that's why weirdos have long coke nails, but I didn't have a coke nail, cause I was a responsible person.
1:25:03 Speaker 01 Oh yeah, you were so responsible.
1:25:04 Dax Shepard? But then I was like, oh, I gotta get all the coke off my key, like my key probably would.
1:25:10 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
1:25:11 Dax Shepard? Would, would light up like a Christmas tree if they put a whatever magic coke wand in my mind they had.
1:25:16 Speaker 01 Right.
1:25:17 Dax Shepard? So then I was like sucking on the key to get every remnant off.
1:25:20 Speaker 01 Oh, no. Oh my God, addicts are so.
1:25:25 Dax Shepard? We do a lot of weird, we end up doing a lot of weird stuff, yeah.
1:25:29 Speaker 01 Like now the, the idea of putting a key in your mouth, doesn't that gross you out?
1:25:34 Dax Shepard? Absolutely.
1:25:35 Speaker 01 Like the amount of germs, that's like one of the worst things you can put in your mouth.
1:25:40 Dax Shepard? Yeah, and it just is metal.
1:25:42 Speaker 01 Exactly.
1:25:43 Dax Shepard? It's disgusting, but I had to get rid of the evidence.
1:25:47 Speaker 01 Did you think about swallowing the key?
1:25:49 Dax Shepard? I am key stirring the key.
1:25:52 Speaker 01 Whoa.
1:25:53 Dax Shepard? Key stirring the key.
1:25:54 Speaker 01 Key stirring.
1:25:55 Dax Shepard? Anyways, Got Milk ads, a lot of people collected them.
1:25:58 Speaker 01 I think a lot of the people who've collected Got Milk keys have never found themselves in the situation you have. They're busy, they're at the newsstand.
1:26:06 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:26:07 Speaker 01 Buying up. All the magazines so that on the flight, they can look each one very carefully, page by page, see if you found.
1:26:16 Dax Shepard? Were you making your mom take you to newsstands to further your collection? It sounds like something you, a task you would put on her plate.
1:26:23 Speaker 01 I don't know. She wouldn't have done. She would, no.
1:26:26 Dax Shepard? No?
1:26:27 Speaker 01 She doesn't have time for that.
1:26:28 Dax Shepard? You were like, we gotta go camp out for this book. You did a lot of these little projects, right?
1:26:33 Speaker 01 Then I was old, like I would like go with friends. I was old enough.
1:26:37 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:26:37 Speaker 01 So yeah, if I was, if we were at the airport or at the grocery store, yes, I probably would have asked.
1:26:43 Dax Shepard? Yeah, can we buy these six magazines?
1:26:44 Speaker 01 Can I please buy all of these? And then I think I had some subscriptions, like I had probably like teen.
1:26:52 Dax Shepard? Did you earn money as a kid?
1:26:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, I had allowance.
1:26:56 Dax Shepard? You had an allowance?
1:26:56 Speaker 01 Uh huh.
1:26:57 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:26:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:26:58 Dax Shepard? So you had a little around town Casey.
1:27:01 Speaker 01 Yeah. I mean, I had so many ads.
1:27:03 Dax Shepard? So many. He did.
1:27:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's so many. They were great. The best ones were the casts. They would do like a full cast.
1:27:11 Dax Shepard? Did friends ever got milk?
1:27:12 Speaker 01 Well, Jen Am, I think had one.
1:27:15 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:27:15 Speaker 01 Maybe her and Courtney and Lisa, like there was like a few.
1:27:20 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:27:20 Speaker 01 I have it. I have it.
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1:28:45 Dax Shepard? When they pitched the idea originally, do you think people were like, so we're gonna coat the top of their lip?
1:28:52 Speaker 01 They're gonna paint it.
1:28:53 Dax Shepard? With white cream?
1:28:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think they probably painted it.
1:28:56 Dax Shepard? Was anyone like?
1:28:57 Speaker 01 This is gross.
1:28:58 Dax Shepard? This might look.
1:29:00 Speaker 01 There it is!
1:29:00 Dax Shepard? Oh!
1:29:02 Speaker 01 Yes, I have that one.
1:29:03 Dax Shepard? They just left an orgy.
1:29:04 Speaker 01 No, don't you dare.
1:29:05 Dax Shepard? That was my fear.
1:29:06 Speaker 01 Don't you dare dirty this up, you dirty boy.
1:29:10 Dax Shepard? Everyone is so young.
1:29:11 Speaker 01 I know, yeah. Rob put up a picture of Jen An and Lisa Kudrow.
1:29:16 Dax Shepard? She looks nineteen.
1:29:17 Speaker 01 They were young. They were young back then.
1:29:19 Dax Shepard? Remember, Lisa said she felt like the old lady.
1:29:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, look how cute she is.
1:29:24 Dax Shepard? She was so young and cute.
1:29:25 Speaker 01 Oh, beautiful girls. Speaking of semen.
1:29:29 Dax Shepard? Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah.
1:29:33 Speaker 01 So I'm not gonna out this brand. I've been trying some new makeup foundations.
1:29:38 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:29:39 Speaker 01 I'm loving all of them, loving all the colors.
1:29:42 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:29:43 Speaker 01 And the textures and stuff, but I'm playing with a lot of them. So I don't want people to try to figure out which one this is, okay?
1:29:49 Dax Shepard? Right, right.
1:29:52 Speaker 01 Today, I...
1:29:55 Dax Shepard? It was in your lab.
1:29:56 Speaker 01 I put makeup on. I walked outside and I was like, it smells funny out here.
1:30:03 Speaker 01 And I was like, oh, maybe it's like Bradford pear season. You know, classically, the Bradford pear smells like semen.
1:30:11 Dax Shepard? Oh, semen.
1:30:12 Speaker 01 Slash, period, slash, death. So I was like, God, are we there? Like, ew, stinky.
1:30:21 Dax Shepard? Hold on, nice. What a combo of words next to each other. Like, if there was a perfume called semen period, I mean, wow.
1:30:30 Speaker 01 I know.
1:30:30 Dax Shepard? I wonder if there was ever a punk band named semen period.
1:30:34 Speaker 01 Well, Guar could get on it. It seems like something they would like.
1:30:38 Dax Shepard? If you were a horned, pig-faced goblin.
1:30:40 Speaker 01 That's right. Um, yeah. It's probably like one of the gifts God gave humans that, you know, the person who has a period also doesn't release semen in case. So those never really have to mix.
1:30:56 Dax Shepard? Oh, right, right, right.
1:30:57 Speaker 01 Although they could mix in the sexual experience.
1:31:00 Dax Shepard? Sure, ideally.
1:31:00 Speaker 01 Okay, now I'm walking to the car and I'm like, yeah. And then I have this realization.
1:31:08 Dax Shepard? Your foundation?
1:31:10 Speaker 01 Yes. Do you smell it?
1:31:12 Dax Shepard? God, no, no, no.
1:31:13 Speaker 01 You can't smell it from there?
1:31:15 Dax Shepard? Twenty feet away, your face.
1:31:16 Speaker 01 I.
1:31:17 Dax Shepard? You still smell it.
1:31:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:31:20 Dax Shepard? That would be a bummer for me if I had a smell on my face I couldn't.
1:31:23 Speaker 01 I know.
1:31:23 Dax Shepard? Get rid of.
1:31:24 Speaker 01 And I, I like this foundation. There's many that have sunscreens built in.
1:31:29 Dax Shepard? Uh huh.
1:31:30 Speaker 01 This is one of those.
1:31:32 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:31:32 Speaker 01 And I think it might be part of the ish.
1:31:35 Dax Shepard? The sunscreen?
1:31:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, part of what's adding to the smell.
1:31:38 Dax Shepard? Oh, isn't sunscreen odorless?
1:31:42 Speaker 01 No.
1:31:42 Dax Shepard? No? I mean, they put that yummy coconut flavor in like, Coppertone or.
1:31:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, they add that.
1:31:49 Dax Shepard? The fun ones. It smells like vacation.
1:31:51 Speaker 01 Even regular like SPF generally, sunscreen has a smell, you know it. It doesn't smell like semen, I'll say that. But I think maybe the mix of, of ingredients has caused a semen-like smell.
1:32:04 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:32:05 Speaker 01 It's unfortunate.
1:32:06 Dax Shepard? It's a bummer that semen smells the way.
1:32:09 Speaker 01 It's a bummer that bodies smell the way they do. They, we just like, it's gross. We have all these smells.
1:32:15 Dax Shepard? Okay, great. I knew there was something we're supposed to be talking about and I just remembered.
1:32:21 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:32:22 Dax Shepard? So you and I. We're in a competition this week.
1:32:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, we were.
1:32:27 Dax Shepard? We went on, um, Hot Ones versus.
1:32:30 Speaker 01 Yes, me and you did.
1:32:31 Dax Shepard? Yes, and we ate, uh, five chicken wings.
1:32:36 Speaker 01 Hot Ones versus is a spin off of Hot Ones. It's more of a competition show, so it was me versus you.
1:32:41 Dax Shepard? That's right, and on Hot Ones, if people don't, haven't watched that, you get interviewed by Sean Evans. He, uh, asks you questions as you're eating hot wings and they're getting progressively hotter.
1:32:51 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:32:52 Dax Shepard? And the last one is generally brutal.
1:32:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:32:54 Dax Shepard? It takes people out.
1:32:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:32:55 Dax Shepard? Even number seven starts taking people out.
1:32:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:32:57 Dax Shepard? Well, this show is, it's only number 10.
1:33:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:33:00 Dax Shepard? Every wing has the hottest of the hot.
1:33:02 Speaker 01 It was so.
1:33:03 Dax Shepard? It's smart.
1:33:04 Speaker 01 It is, well, look, I was so, like, really truly nervous to do this show. And you notoriously went on original Hot Ones. You did great on Hot Ones, so much so that you asked for another of the last wing. You threw a whole bunch of hots.
1:33:22 Dax Shepard? They put me in the ring of fire. I don't know if that's what it's called. If it's not, they should call it that. But it was like kind of a champion circle of people who took the heat the best.
1:33:29 Speaker 01 Yeah, you, you did great.
1:33:31 Dax Shepard? It's one of my identity markers.
1:33:32 Speaker 01 Exactly, and I knew this, and so I was also like, well, fuck, like.
1:33:36 Dax Shepard? It was like you and I playing one on one basketball. It's like, why is this the versus?
1:33:39 Speaker 01 Exactly.
1:33:40 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:33:40 Speaker 01 Um, so I will spoil a little bit that you ate first.
1:33:45 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, uh huh.
1:33:46 Speaker 01 And you, it was like, it was really hot for you.
1:33:50 Dax Shepard? Well, I started salivating quite a bit.
1:33:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, and I, I started to really panic.
1:33:54 Dax Shepard? Oh, when you saw that it was affecting me?
1:33:56 Speaker 01 Yes, because you apparently can eat two of the last one and you are struggling. So then I was really starting to panic. Anyway, it was really fun. You guys will have to tune in.
1:34:06 Dax Shepard? It was super fun, and you thought you were gonna fall over a lot.
1:34:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, I did.
1:34:09 Dax Shepard? It was really funny.
1:34:11 Speaker 01 I didn't feel steady.
1:34:13 Dax Shepard? No, I definitely got concerned and I didn't vocalize it because I thought, well, that'll only compound it. But I really started thinking, after you had a good amount of fire in you and you were feeling like you were gonna fall over. I was like.
1:34:25 Dax Shepard? Is a panic attack on the table?
1:34:27 Speaker 01 Right.
1:34:28 Dax Shepard? You know.
1:34:28 Speaker 01 It's always on the table.
1:34:29 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just only because of the SoulCycle stuff, I know.
1:34:33 Speaker 01 Right, and you weren't right about a seizure.
1:34:35 Dax Shepard? Not at all.
1:34:36 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:34:36 Dax Shepard? I don't think that. I don't think that would trigger a seizure. For what, right or wrong, I just don't think that.
1:34:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:34:42 Dax Shepard? But um, once you were getting wobbly and I started thinking like, oh man, like if she has a panic attack, how do I?
1:34:48 Speaker 01 What would you do?
1:34:49 Dax Shepard? How do I help her?
1:34:51 Speaker 01 Great question.
1:34:52 Dax Shepard? And it's probably not saying you're imagining this. You know, it's not gonna be like, no one's ever died from this, you can't die, that no one's ever been hurt, you know. I, I, and then I'm like, well, it's probably not gonna be like, it's probably gotta be more like acknowledging, yeah, you are getting, I don't know, I don't know how you get someone out of a panic attack.
1:35:09 Speaker 01 I mean.
1:35:10 Dax Shepard? Put my wall in your mouth?
1:35:13 Speaker 01 This harkens back to when I was having a panic attack during shrooms.
1:35:18 Dax Shepard? Oh, uh huh, would you call that a panic attack?
1:35:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:35:21 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:35:21 Speaker 01 Yes, um.
1:35:23 Dax Shepard? Yeah, so we did, we did a right.
1:35:24 Speaker 01 Truest sense, like I was like, I can't breathe.
1:35:27 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:35:28 Speaker 01 More, that was a kind of a different panic attack. Normally in my panic attacks, like, I feel like I'm gonna pass, I start like kinda disassociating and, but this was, I couldn't breathe.
1:35:37 Dax Shepard? Right.
1:35:37 Speaker 01 Which is sort of a common panic attack.
1:35:40 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:35:40 Speaker 01 And you said, I think you said, no one's ever stopped breathing from?
1:35:45 Dax Shepard? Mushrooms.
1:35:45 Speaker 01 Shrooms.
1:35:46 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:35:47 Speaker 01 Um, which did work, or I think, I mean, I eventually was able to breathe.
1:35:53 Dax Shepard? There, I think there were a bunch of baby steps, that was one of them.
1:35:55 Speaker 01 Yeah, so that I guess is a good tactic.
1:35:58 Dax Shepard? Okay, I'll stick with it.
1:35:59 Speaker 01 On me, on me, anyway.
1:36:01 Dax Shepard? So, but what's funny is, it just so happened to fall on the same day, I was taking Nate, Eric and Charlie to the Dodgers game.
1:36:10 Speaker 01 Yes, that night.
1:36:11 Dax Shepard? And we go primarily because my agency has great seats in what is called the dugout club.
1:36:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:36:19 Dax Shepard? And I am not gonna act like I am into baseball tattle. I don't know a thing about it, I barely, you know, I like, it's a great place to go have a great chat with the boys and scream a bit.
1:36:30 Speaker 01 It's so fun.
1:36:31 Dax Shepard? It's so fun, but I don't know who's leading or if the team's good, I don't know anything.
1:36:35 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:36:36 Dax Shepard? I go, cause there is an all you can eat bar in the dugout club, and it is. Premium. They had a pot roast, Monica.
1:36:44 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
1:36:45 Dax Shepard? I love a pot roast. I had it at Dollywood and then I just had it here.
1:36:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:36:49 Dax Shepard? I want more pot roast in my life.
1:36:50 Speaker 01 Okay, my mom loves to make a pot roast.
1:36:52 Dax Shepard? Oh, she, tell her to make me one. The next time she's visiting.
1:36:55 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:36:55 Dax Shepard? All right. Um, they had a beautiful hot honey fried chicken.
1:36:59 Speaker 01 Hmm.
1:37:00 Dax Shepard? So the whole game plan with the boys and it's all talked about way before. It's like, hey, heads up, everybody, don't eat today.
1:37:06 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:37:07 Dax Shepard? And so really I had, I had, in my mind, I hadn't eaten. Um, I had oatmeal in the morning at like 7 a.m.
1:37:14 Speaker 01 Okay, so you ditched the plan already. You ate.
1:37:17 Dax Shepard? I ate because we had to eat those wings, but it wasn't like, I was like, I'm not gonna eat lunch. I'm not gonna, whatever. I wanna, I want, I'm gonna eat 7,000 calories in about 45 minutes, once we get to this thing. And so, and also I didn't want to betray the pact.
1:37:28 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
1:37:28 Dax Shepard? So we arrive and I said to everyone, like, what was it? Charlie's like, I've only had a protein shake today. And we're like, goo- good job. And then, you know, everyone's going to the thing. And I'm like, I just had oatmeal. I don't know why. I like forgot.
1:37:38 Speaker 01 Well, okay, I know why you forgot. You don't, you don't feel like you're eating.
1:37:42 Dax Shepard? No, it wasn't a meal. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I just, I, I forgot I had had that.
1:37:47 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:37:47 Dax Shepard? Then we go to the thing and that's really fun and we go hard and I eat so much. I even have a sundae. Oh, this was a total hack. If anyone's ever goes to the dugout club, they had fried plantains.
1:37:59 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:37:59 Dax Shepard? But they're on the hot bar. They're on the other side of the thing. And then, on the far end of the place, there's a soft serve machine and like some toppings.
1:38:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:38:07 Dax Shepard? So I made my soft serve and I was like, oh, fuck, fried plantains on there. That's like a banana split, but fried? Pop those in there. It was heaven. We all, we all ate so much. We had so much fun. I made a good joke that I thought of your brother during.
1:38:21 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:38:21 Dax Shepard? Cause your brother was Kookie Jeps or?
1:38:23 Speaker 01 No, Mu- Mookie Betts.
1:38:25 Dax Shepard? Well, that's the actual guy.
1:38:27 Speaker 01 Jookie Betts.
1:38:28 Dax Shepard? J- Jookie Betts. He had a, he had or has a hat company in reference to.
1:38:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, but that's actually just Instagram.
1:38:34 Dax Shepard? Oh, okay.
1:38:35 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:38:35 Dax Shepard? Mookie Betts is on the, uh, Dodgers and all these guys have the best asses. And we're directly behind home where they warm up.
1:38:45 Speaker 01 Ooh, did you make fart noises?
1:38:47 Dax Shepard? No, but I did. I did heckle him.
1:38:49 Speaker 01 Oh, great.
1:38:49 Dax Shepard? It was Mookie Betts and he was like eight feet away. And I had, again, I had a gaggle of like 60 year old women in front of me, which was great. And then he's up there kind of just warming up and he's so close and I go, Mookie Betts, more like Mookie Buns.
1:39:04 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
1:39:04 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:39:05 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:39:06 Dax Shepard? The ladies loved it. It's a great compliment to him. I think it put a spring in his step. He had a dynamite night.
1:39:14 Speaker 01 Did he?
1:39:14 Dax Shepard? He knocked some homies.
1:39:15 Speaker 01 Okay, but maybe he was so insecure. Maybe he has an insecurity about his big butt.
1:39:20 Dax Shepard? No way. When you got those juicy.
1:39:22 Speaker 01 Jukey bets.
1:39:24 Dax Shepard? Juicy jukey bets.
1:39:26 Speaker 01 But maybe he was like, all anyone thinks about is my butt and no one recognizes me for the athlete that I am.
1:39:32 Dax Shepard? I mean, that's, that's a sentence that makes sense.
1:39:37 Dax Shepard? There's no way anyone hates having a great ass. I just, maybe because I, I, I was denied a great ass.
1:39:44 Speaker 01 Exactly. So you might not know.
1:39:46 Dax Shepard? Right. But I'm pretty sure everyone would like to know they have a great ass.
1:39:49 Speaker 01 Okay, great.
1:39:51 Dax Shepard? So that was a blast. Yelling Mookie Buns, all this stuff. It's so fun.
1:39:57 Dax Shepard? Go home. Next morning, I'm like, I want to check in with the guys because again, we all ate probably 10,000 calories. And so I'm like.
1:40:06 Speaker 01 But you felt fine?
1:40:07 Dax Shepard? No. I midway through, I kept thinking, am I going to have harness?
1:40:13 Speaker 01 Right.
1:40:14 Dax Shepard? But I was confused because I had literally forgot we had eaten all these insanely hot wings.
1:40:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:40:19 Dax Shepard? So they were in my intestines.
1:40:22 Speaker 01 Making their way through.
1:40:23 Dax Shepard? Yes. And you can feel the heat the whole time and it felt like squirrels fighting and I thought, oh, that's harness coming. But so I was totally off base and I kept telling the guys, I might, I might have harness.
1:40:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:40:33 Dax Shepard? But anyways, the next morning I check in with the guys. I'm like, anyone have harness? It took me two trips, but I, I got there. And then immediately Nate's like, it was, I knew it was the pot roast. I didn't touch that pot roast and I feel great. Blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden I realized, oh, and then I write. Oh yeah, I also had five hot wings at maximum temperature.
1:40:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:40:59 Dax Shepard? And that was like, pretty relevant detail to leave out. I was, I was like fishing to see if everyone got harness from this experience.
1:41:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, you thought like, maybe it was food poisoning?
1:41:09 Dax Shepard? Or just, I would like to know if everyone else had harness. But it was the wings.
1:41:13 Speaker 01 So, it was definitely the wings. Um, also, food poisoning is last on the list, like.
1:41:20 Dax Shepard? I didn't think I had food poisoning.
1:41:22 Speaker 01 Cause like.
1:41:22 Dax Shepard? I saw maybe a bad combination, like dairy, the plantains, the pot roast.
1:41:27 Speaker 01 The amount you ate.
1:41:28 Dax Shepard? The amount, maybe.
1:41:29 Speaker 01 The amount is just enough to create a tornado.
1:41:32 Dax Shepard? Yes, yes, they just don't mix well.
1:41:34 Speaker 01 I also, I thought I was gonna have harness, but I didn't.
1:41:39 Dax Shepard? You did not?
1:41:40 Speaker 01 Which was surprising.
1:41:41 Dax Shepard? Are you sure?
1:41:42 Speaker 01 Well, no, I'm sure.
1:41:43 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:41:44 Speaker 01 But I did have an interesting movement.
1:41:47 Dax Shepard? Okay, great. This is basically, that long lead up was to find out what happened for you the next morning.
1:41:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, well, no, that night.
1:41:54 Dax Shepard? Oh, that night.
1:41:55 Speaker 01 I have a fast acting system.
1:41:57 Dax Shepard? Fast acting, it's an act.
1:41:58 Speaker 01 In fact, I was a little nervous during eating.
1:42:02 Dax Shepard? You even said you might tonka.
1:42:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, I could tonka there or on the way home. I don't know. Um, but I, I wasn't, and I too kind of forgot.
1:42:12 Dax Shepard? Mm-hmm.
1:42:13 Speaker 01 But when I first got home, I was like, oh, I'm definitely gonna poop.
1:42:16 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:42:17 Speaker 01 And, um, but then I didn't, and I think that was, as you said, the squirrels.
1:42:21 Dax Shepard? Yeah, the squirrels fighting.
1:42:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, they were fighting.
1:42:24 Dax Shepard? Like the way they run around the branches?
1:42:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:42:26 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:42:27 Speaker 01 But they didn't wanna come out. They didn't wanna come down the tree.
1:42:30 Dax Shepard? They were blast? Yeah, they love playing.
1:42:32 Speaker 01 So then I forgot. I had wine with a friend. I was out and about. And then, yeah, then that night I was like, oh god, I feel. So full. But why do I feel so full? I barely, I didn't eat today.
1:42:50 Dax Shepard? Yeah, great, you forgot too.
1:42:52 Speaker 01 I also kind of forgot, but then I was like, oh, God, yeah, it's the wings.
1:42:58 Dax Shepard? It's the fiery wings.
1:42:59 Speaker 01 And then I had an interesting movement. It wasn't honest.
1:43:02 Dax Shepard? Did you feel heat when it passed through?
1:43:05 Speaker 01 That's a good, I didn't feel heat, but I felt pain.
1:43:10 Dax Shepard? Pain, yeah.
1:43:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, it felt painful. It felt as if it was honest, but then when I looked, it wasn't.
1:43:16 Dax Shepard? Right, right, right.
1:43:17 Speaker 01 Which was interesting.
1:43:18 Dax Shepard? I had, I had pain, but I didn't have burning.
1:43:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:43:21 Dax Shepard? Which I guess is a blessing. Cause I have had burning once.
1:43:25 Speaker 01 Right.
1:43:25 Dax Shepard? And that's, that was that Carolina Reaper chocolate.
1:43:29 Speaker 01 I don't want that.
1:43:30 Dax Shepard? You can't do it, no. You thought you were gonna fall over on those wings.
1:43:35 Speaker 01 It's funny though, because last night, um, the girls, we went to a incredible Thai restaurant. So good. And one of the dishes we got was this papaya salad. It was incredible. It was spicy, um, and one of the girls was like eating it and she was like, oh, my God. Like, it was like so, so spicy for her.
1:43:55 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:43:56 Speaker 01 And I thought, how is, how are people doing hot ones? Like, a lot of people, I think, are like our friend, Laura, who could like barely eat this papaya salad.
1:44:06 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:44:07 Speaker 01 How, like, on the scale compared to what we had to eat, it was nothing.
1:44:12 Dax Shepard? Right, right. Yeah, she would be in big, big trouble.
1:44:15 Speaker 01 She'd be dead. Has anyone died on it?
1:44:18 Dax Shepard? No, people like get the burps and they can't answer the question and then, I'm, I'm doing, now I'm doing. But that's the appeal of the show, is people lose their shit.
1:44:28 Speaker 01 You know what was weird? You didn't drink any milk.
1:44:31 Dax Shepard? I didn't, no.
1:44:31 Speaker 01 I thought that was so weird.
1:44:33 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I just was imagining putting dairy on top of that. It just felt like not the combo I wanted.
1:44:38 Speaker 01 It really helped.
1:44:39 Dax Shepard? It did.
1:44:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, I drank so much.
1:44:41 Dax Shepard? You brought a big jar of honey with you. And then when we got in the truck, you had like a humongous scoop of honey.
1:44:48 Speaker 01 I brought a bottle of honey and a spoon in a, in a Ziploc bag, because I was told that honey helps. So the last one you eat, you add all this extra hot sauce to. So that one is.
1:45:04 Dax Shepard? Nuclear.
1:45:05 Speaker 01 It is nuclear. Like, I, my lips were burning for five hours.
1:45:11 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I touched my penis and testicles.
1:45:15 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:45:16 Dax Shepard? And I had washed my hands before I peed. So I thought it was off my fingers. And I had quite a bit of discomfort on my penis and everywhere I touched.
1:45:27 Speaker 01 Alley.
1:45:28 Dax Shepard? South of my belt.
1:45:30 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:45:30 Dax Shepard? For a while.
1:45:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:45:32 Dax Shepard? Then I went to sauna later.
1:45:33 Speaker 01 Ah.
1:45:34 Dax Shepard? Before the game.
1:45:36 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:45:36 Dax Shepard? And it reignited all the pain.
1:45:38 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
1:45:39 Dax Shepard? Everything caught back on fire.
1:45:41 Speaker 01 Interesting.
1:45:42 Dax Shepard? And then somehow I forgot I had done that. A half hour later, I was at the game.
1:45:45 Speaker 01 Brains. So, anyway, um, I-
1:45:47 Dax Shepard? Check that out in December, next year, or whenever it comes out.
1:45:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's coming out in a long time. But it was really fun.
1:45:53 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I liked that. It was fun.
1:45:55 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
1:45:55 Dax Shepard? It was a nice switch up.
1:45:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was.
1:45:58 Dax Shepard? Want to do some facts?
1:45:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, let's do some facts.
1:46:00 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:46:01 Speaker 01 Okay, facts for Bobby Brown.
1:46:04 Dax Shepard? Oh, Bobby Brown. I like him spunky.
1:46:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, she's so cool.
1:46:09 Dax Shepard? Is Spunky still positive? We s-
1:46:11 Speaker 01 I think so.
1:46:13 Dax Shepard? I like it.
1:46:14 Speaker 01 I think so, yeah.
1:46:15 Dax Shepard? I like if someone calls me spunky. Do you like to be called spunky?
1:46:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:46:18 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:46:18 Speaker 01 I think I'm spunky.
1:46:19 Dax Shepard? Is pluck the other? It's like the more old fashioned English.
1:46:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, pluck is a-
1:46:24 Dax Shepard? She's got a lot of pluck.
1:46:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, that one sounds worse.
1:46:28 Dax Shepard? It does, yeah. You'd rather be known for being spunky.
1:46:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, punky brewster.
1:46:33 Dax Shepard? Spunky brewster.
1:46:35 Speaker 01 Okay, Bobby. So Bobby is a hero. I don't like him.
1:46:39 Dax Shepard? She's a beast.
1:46:41 Speaker 01 Yeah. She brought up, well, the subject of data and data came up again.
1:46:47 Dax Shepard? Ah, uh-huh.
1:46:48 Speaker 01 Both are correct. Both are acceptable. Um, data is generally preferred in British English. While both data and data are used in American English.
1:47:00 Dax Shepard? I also think the robot on Star Trek was named Data.
1:47:05 Speaker 01 Okay, okay.
1:47:07 Dax Shepard? Uh, for whatever that's worth.
1:47:08 Speaker 01 It says data is more common in technical contexts.
1:47:13 Dax Shepard? Oh, really?
1:47:13 Speaker 01 Which is the opposite of what-
1:47:15 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:47:15 Speaker 01 Sort of what I would have thought, too. So.
1:47:18 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:47:19 Speaker 01 There we go.
1:47:19 Dax Shepard? Take your pick.
1:47:20 Speaker 01 Take your pick.
1:47:21 Dax Shepard? This is like, people, people really hate, um, this word, but it's in the dictionary.
1:47:29 Speaker 01 That word.
1:47:29 Dax Shepard? Um. Fuck.
1:47:32 Speaker 01 Oh, moist?
1:47:33 Dax Shepard? No, no, no, it's like, oh, irregardless.
1:47:36 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:47:37 Dax Shepard? People hate irregardless. And when I write it, they'll go, that's not a word. And I'm like, and then I say, it's in the dictionary.
1:47:45 Speaker 01 Which dictionary?
1:47:46 Dax Shepard? All dictionaries.
1:47:47 Speaker 01 Really?
1:47:48 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:47:48 Speaker 01 Is it in like a new dictionary? Like they added it for people like you?
1:47:53 Dax Shepard? Um, I don't know, but it is, if it's in the dictionary, I can play it in Scrabble. I can use it in my.
1:48:00 Speaker 01 But isn't like, doh or whatever that like Simpsons word in the dictionary?
1:48:05 Dax Shepard? Is it D O H? I don't know. But irregardless, solid word. It's there for good.
1:48:13 Speaker 01 Okay, well, you have the right to use whatever word you want.
1:48:18 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:48:18 Speaker 01 Um, I will not be using irregardless. I'm in the camp that that is a double nega- it's not good.
1:48:24 Dax Shepard? It's a big trigger for people.
1:48:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:48:26 Dax Shepard? Big, big trigger.
1:48:27 Speaker 01 It's not like, what's worse than that for me is, um, what's worse? There's one that's worse.
1:48:34 Dax Shepard? That's just blatantly misused.
1:48:36 Speaker 01 Well, no, there's one that people add a syll- they add a letter to the way they're saying it.
1:48:42 Dax Shepard? Oh.
1:48:42 Speaker 01 Because it's spelled that way, but it's supposed to be pronounced, it's like very, why, it's not coming to me. It'll come to me.
1:48:49 Speaker 03 People get mad about the thawed.
1:48:50 Speaker 01 Thawed?
1:48:51 Speaker 03 Thawed and de-thawed.
1:48:53 Speaker 01 Oh. Yeah.
1:48:56 Dax Shepard? I always say defrost, not de-thawed.
1:48:58 Speaker 01 I've never said de-thawed.
1:49:00 Dax Shepard? But I can see where people would object. It's a double negative.
1:49:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:49:04 Dax Shepard? But.
1:49:04 Speaker 01 This is like all downhill from here. It's similar.
1:49:07 Dax Shepard? I'm not on the, um, I'm not a word police, you know?
1:49:11 Speaker 01 You're not, you're other, you're other kinds of police.
1:49:14 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, I am. I am. I, uh, thank God I don't also have, I don't know if I could even be with me.
1:49:21 Speaker 01 Um.
1:49:22 Dax Shepard? Irregardless, it's in there. What were we talking about before?
1:49:25 Speaker 01 Uh.
1:49:26 Dax Shepard? Irregardless.
1:49:26 Speaker 01 Data and data.
1:49:27 Dax Shepard? Oh, data and data.
1:49:28 Speaker 01 Okay. Seven, so she sold Bobby, I'm sorry, she, yeah, sold Bobby Brown to, uh, in 1995 for 75 million. That is 159 million today.
1:49:43 Dax Shepard? Okay, I said 250.
1:49:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:49:45 Dax Shepard? I was being a little.
1:49:47 Speaker 01 Optimistic.
1:49:48 Dax Shepard? Yeah. These people who can build multiple billion dollar companies, I just, so impressive.
1:49:53 Speaker 01 Put on them.
1:49:54 Dax Shepard? So impressive.
1:49:55 Speaker 01 Yeah, it really is. Um, okay. There's a quiz you're gonna take.
1:50:00 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:50:01 Speaker 01 It's a learning styles quiz.
1:50:03 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:50:04 Speaker 01 Cause we talked about visual learners.
1:50:05 Dax Shepard? Yeah, she said she was a visual learner.
1:50:08 Speaker 01 She did. So we're gonna find out what you are, okay?
1:50:10 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:50:11 Speaker 01 Now, the choices are often, sometimes, and seldom.
1:50:14 Dax Shepard? Often, sometimes, seldom.
1:50:16 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:50:16 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:50:17 Speaker 01 I follow written directions better than oral directions.
1:50:21 Dax Shepard? Seldom.
1:50:21 Speaker 01 Okay. I can remember more about a subject through listening than reading.
1:50:25 Dax Shepard? Hmm, sometimes.
1:50:27 Speaker 01 I bear down extremely hard when writing.
1:50:29 Dax Shepard? Always, what is that?
1:50:30 Speaker 01 Often?
1:50:31 Dax Shepard? Often, yeah.
1:50:32 Speaker 01 Really? I like to write things down or take notes for visual review.
1:50:36 Dax Shepard? Yes, uh, often.
1:50:38 Speaker 01 I require explanations of graphs, diagrams, or visual directions.
1:50:42 Dax Shepard? Hmm. I don't think so.
1:50:45 Speaker 01 Seldom.
1:50:46 Dax Shepard? Seldom.
1:50:46 Speaker 01 I enjoy working with tools.
1:50:48 Dax Shepard? Hmm, all the time.
1:50:49 Speaker 01 I am skillful and enjoy developing and making graphs and charts.
1:50:53 Dax Shepard? Hmm, hmm, never.
1:50:55 Speaker 01 I can tell if sounds match when presented with pairs of sounds.
1:50:59 Dax Shepard? I'd say yeah.
1:51:00 Speaker 01 Often or sometimes?
1:51:01 Dax Shepard? Often.
1:51:01 Speaker 01 Okay. I remember best by writing things down several times.
1:51:05 Dax Shepard? Often.
1:51:06 Speaker 01 I can understand and follow directions on maps.
1:51:09 Dax Shepard? Uh, often.
1:51:11 Speaker 01 I do better at academic subjects by listening to tapes and lectures.
1:51:15 Dax Shepard? Often.
1:51:16 Speaker 01 I play with coins or keys in pockets.
1:51:19 Dax Shepard? I mean, I have this as my binky. I'd say often.
1:51:24 Speaker 01 I can better understand a news article by reading about it than by listening to it on the radio.
1:51:29 Dax Shepard? False. Rarely.
1:51:31 Speaker 01 Seldom?
1:51:31 Dax Shepard? Seldom.
1:51:32 Speaker 01 I learn to spell better by repeating the letters out loud than by writing the word on paper.
1:51:37 Dax Shepard? Um, never.
1:51:39 Speaker 01 Okay. I chew gum, snack, or smoke during studies.
1:51:43 Dax Shepard? Always.
1:51:44 Speaker 01 I feel the best way to remember is to picture it in one's head.
1:51:48 Dax Shepard? I don't know. Sometimes?
1:51:50 Speaker 01 Okay. I would rather listen to a good lecture or speech than read about the same material in a book.
1:51:56 Dax Shepard? Always.
1:51:56 Speaker 01 I learn spelling by finger spelling, spelling words in the air with index finger. The words.
1:52:02 Dax Shepard? Never. Seldom.
1:52:04 Speaker 01 I am good at working and solving jigsaw puzzles.
1:52:07 Dax Shepard? Hmm, sometimes.
1:52:08 Speaker 01 I prefer listening to the news on the radio more than reading about it in the newspaper.
1:52:12 Dax Shepard? Often.
1:52:13 Speaker 01 I grip objects in my hands during learning periods.
1:52:16 Dax Shepard? Often.
1:52:17 Speaker 01 I obtain information on an interesting subject by reading related materials.
1:52:21 Dax Shepard? Often.
1:52:22 Speaker 01 I follow oral directions better than written ones.
1:52:25 Dax Shepard? Often.
1:52:26 Speaker 01 I feel very comfortable touching others, hugging, handshaking, etc.
1:52:30 Dax Shepard? Too much.
1:52:33 Dax Shepard? The results are you're a perv.
1:52:36 Speaker 01 Okay, interpreting the perceptual preference form. Your perceptual preference can indicate through which channel to your brain information flows most easily. Information that you receive through your preferred channels is more quickly understood and more easily remembered. Arrange your academic life to take advantage of your best channels. Your highest score tactile.
1:52:57 Dax Shepard? Oh.
1:52:58 Speaker 01 You learn.
1:52:59 Dax Shepard? Touchy, touchy.
1:52:59 Speaker 01 You learn best by experience or hands-on activity. By being involved physically in classroom experiences. You remember information well when you actively participate in activities, field trips and role-playing in the classroom, or working on experiments in a laboratory, handling and building models, and touching and working with materials. Writing notes or instructions or a combination of stimuli, for example, an audiotape combined with an activity such as listen to a summary tapes you've made while you jog, or making flashcards will help you understand and remember new material.
1:53:30 Dax Shepard? Oh wow, okay.
1:53:31 Speaker 01 Yeah. Your auditory score was second, that was a thirty, your tactile was a thirty-six, then your auditory is a thirty, your lowest is visual at twenty-four.
1:53:40 Dax Shepard? Okay, so I'm not a visual learner.
1:53:42 Speaker 01 Turns out, no.
1:53:43 Dax Shepard? Not true.
1:53:45 Speaker 01 That was cool.
1:53:46 Dax Shepard? Yeah, um, join, give me the computer and I'll do it to you.
1:53:49 Speaker 01 No, it's alright.
1:53:50 Dax Shepard? Okay, what do you think you are based on that?
1:53:53 Speaker 01 Um, I think I am a visual learner.
1:53:57 Dax Shepard? Okay, ironic because your vision is not great.
1:54:01 Speaker 01 I.
1:54:01 Dax Shepard? Think how brilliant you'd be if you could see.
1:54:03 Speaker 01 I know, my god. It'd be too much for the world. It's why when I re- I like, like a book. I don't like an audiobook.
1:54:12 Dax Shepard? Right.
1:54:12 Speaker 01 It's in and out. I can't follow that.
1:54:14 Dax Shepard? Can't hold on to it.
1:54:15 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:54:15 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:54:16 Speaker 01 But that one's a little tricky, because I do retain a lot of hearing podcasts, but that feels different to me for some reason.
1:54:22 Dax Shepard? Yeah, maybe that feels more like a classroom, a professor situation.
1:54:26 Speaker 01 Well, it's because often there's two people. So it's a conversation, it's engagement, it's, I don't get to tune out.
1:54:34 Dax Shepard? Right.
1:54:35 Speaker 01 And I feel like I'm participating.
1:54:37 Dax Shepard? Yeah, you're like making a counter argument sometimes. Yeah, yeah, it's engaging.
1:54:41 Speaker 01 Yeah. I don't think I'm very tactile. Although.
1:54:46 Dax Shepard? You're not super mechanical.
1:54:47 Speaker 01 Uh, no.
1:54:48 Dax Shepard? And you don't do pottery. Were you do good at origami or folding paper?
1:54:53 Speaker 01 I've never tried it.
1:54:57 Speaker 01 I don't know.
1:54:58 Dax Shepard? That's Link. Like, that's when Link kind of blows my mind, is the things she builds. Like, this card she made you for your birthday was so cute.
1:55:05 Speaker 01 It was so cute.
1:55:06 Dax Shepard? Or her dioramas she makes. I'm like, oh yeah, she really has a knack for this.
1:55:10 Speaker 01 Yes. Yeah, no, that must, that's probably my lowest.
1:55:14 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:55:14 Speaker 01 But I do like holding things. And I do like toothpicks.
1:55:20 Dax Shepard? Sure, it's a little tactile.
1:55:22 Speaker 01 I like chewing on, I like having like some objects while I'm.
1:55:26 Dax Shepard? Oral stimulation.
1:55:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, while I'm busy.
1:55:28 Dax Shepard? Yeah. Oral fixation, they call it.
1:55:30 Speaker 01 Let's call it that.
1:55:30 Dax Shepard? That's cool. Stick with the traditional. Your results are in, you're a perp.
1:55:35 Speaker 01 Okay, that's it.
1:55:36 Dax Shepard? That was it on Bobby Brown?
1:55:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:55:39 Dax Shepard? You must admire her now.
1:55:41 Speaker 01 So much.
1:55:41 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:55:42 Speaker 01 So much. She, I, I felt.
1:55:44 Dax Shepard? Very seen.
1:55:45 Speaker 01 I did. I was like, oh, especially when she talks about being in the details and that being like, you know, in her head, she was like, yeah, no, I was fired. They wouldn't say I was fired, but, because, but they told me to get out of the day to day. That is the job.
1:56:01 Dax Shepard? Yes.
1:56:01 Speaker 01 That's how I feel.
1:56:02 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:56:03 Speaker 01 So I, I, I, I get her.
1:56:06 Dax Shepard? Yeah. It also made me, uh. It's a good heads up for like, it's easy to be judgmental of people on their phone when you're doing a shared activity. You know, if you're watching a movie, certainly my preference, someone would not be on their phone.
1:56:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:56:20 Dax Shepard? To hear her say it and I'm not involved in that, and that's just how she, that's how she enjoys sitting there with a movie on.
1:56:25 Speaker 01 I know.
1:56:26 Dax Shepard? I was like, yeah, I gotta be more.
1:56:28 Speaker 01 Well, I, I think that's just having an understanding of the other person, but also they could have an understanding that like you enjoy quality time, which means not being distracted on the phone. Yeah, I mean, I do that, but I'm by myself.
1:56:43 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:56:43 Speaker 01 If I'm with people, I try not to do that.
1:56:46 Dax Shepard? Same. I even know if I'm by myself, I'll be like, put this down, you're gonna, you either watch this or.
1:56:52 Speaker 01 Right. I try to, but then all of a sudden it's back in my hands.
1:56:55 Dax Shepard? I started the wrong show, but what a blessing. Ryan's been saying that the Jason Momoa thing is great.
1:57:02 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:57:02 Dax Shepard? It's on Apple TV.
1:57:03 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:57:04 Dax Shepard? You know, he's in like a loincloth and stuff.
1:57:06 Speaker 01 Oh, you love that.
1:57:07 Dax Shepard? Yeah, um, he uses buns a lot, I guess.
1:57:09 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:57:09 Dax Shepard? I haven't.
1:57:10 Speaker 01 You love that.
1:57:10 Dax Shepard? So I go to Apple TV and boom, there it is, he's on the cover, he's looking warrior like, I watch it, it's called See.
1:57:17 Speaker 01 Uh huh, yeah.
1:57:18 Dax Shepard? And it's by Stephen Knight, Peaky Blinders.
1:57:21 Speaker 01 Oh, cool.
1:57:22 Dax Shepard? And the premise is it's in the future and all humans are blind now.
1:57:25 Speaker 01 Right.
1:57:27 Dax Shepard? And, uh, it's great, but I'm, I'm sending Ryan voicemail was going, when am I gonna see his buns? Like, also, I guess the only hard thing to accept about this show is that they can still fight even though they're blind, whatever. He sends me one back, you're not watching the same show.
1:57:43 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:57:43 Dax Shepard? I am.
1:57:44 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:57:44 Dax Shepard? So Momoa has two, two shows on Apple.
1:57:48 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:57:49 Dax Shepard? What's the other one, Rob? Chief of War, I think. Chief of War. See's, See's a little older, Chief of War just came out.
1:57:54 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:57:56 Dax Shepard? But he's got two where he's in the jungle swinging a sword, I mean.
1:58:00 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:58:00 Dax Shepard? At the same time.
1:58:01 Speaker 01 He should come on and tell us about them.
1:58:02 Dax Shepard? Oh, I'd love to have him on.
1:58:04 Speaker 01 You'd love to see those buns in person.
1:58:06 Dax Shepard? I like following him on Instagram. He's always having a good time and drinking a lot of beers.
1:58:11 Speaker 01 Oh, is he?
1:58:12 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I think he has a really good appetite for brewskis, which I think is cool.
1:58:17 Speaker 01 Nice.
1:58:18 Dax Shepard? All right.
1:58:19 Speaker 01 All right, love you.
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