Armchair Anonymous: Unique Kink

Dax and Monica talk to Armcherries! In today's episode, Armcherries tell us about a unique kink. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Dax Shepard?

  Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Anonymous. I'm Dan Shepard. I'm joined by Lily Padman.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  We're thrilled about this one.

• 0:08Dax Shepard?

  Look, one of our favorite things is hearing that people listen to this show with their kids.

• 0:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 0:13Dax Shepard?

  It's so fun to hear that. This is not that episode.

• 0:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:17Dax Shepard?

  This is not that episode.

• 0:19Speaker 01

  It's not, and yet it's almost more PG than Rat Water Bottle.

• 0:25Dax Shepard?

  Well, that's a gross factor, but the middle one goes hard.

• 0:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 0:29Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 0:30Speaker 01

  Okay. Yeah. I mean, these are great.

• 0:31Dax Shepard?

  They're great. They're great. But you're right. They're cute. They're cuter than we were expecting.

• 0:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:35Dax Shepard?

  Of course, it's unique kinks. Tell us about a unique kink you have. I loved it. It won't be the last. Well, it might be the last. These are brave individuals.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:46Dax Shepard?

  Among our bravest.

• 0:47Speaker 01

  We're very grateful to the people who wrote in for this one because very vulnerable.

• 0:51Dax Shepard?

  Very vulnerable.

• 0:51Speaker 01

  And we appreciate it.

• 0:52Dax Shepard?

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• 0:57Speaker 01

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• 1:06Dax Shepard?

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• 1:28Speaker 01

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• 1:46Dax Shepard?

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• 1:55Speaker 01

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• 1:57Dax Shepard?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:57Speaker 01

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• 2:15Dax Shepard?

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• 3:21Dax Shepard?

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• 3:32Speaker 01

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• 3:39Dax Shepard?

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• 4:24Dax Shepard?

  Hi, how are you?

• 4:26Speaker 02

  Good, how are you?

• 4:27Dax Shepard?

  Good. Are you nervous?

• 4:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  Don't be.

• 4:32Dax Shepard?

  I'm so proud of anyone that responded to this prompt. I think it's incredible.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  I was like, well, this is kind of awkward.

• 4:39Dax Shepard?

  Hopefully you'll find that we're the perfect people for awkward. Do you want a fake name?

• 4:44Speaker 02

  It's okay.

• 4:45Dax Shepard?

  Okay, great. And you go by Amanda or do you go by Mandy?

• 4:48Speaker 02

  Amanda. My family calls me Mandy.

• 4:51Dax Shepard?

  I had a hunch.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  That's cute.

• 4:53Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, if I had an Amanda, I'm sure I'd end up calling her Mandy.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  It's a good nickname.

• 4:58Dax Shepard?

  We call Delta Delti. Everything gets just an E at the end.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 5:01Dax Shepard?

  Linky, Delti, Monty. Where are you at, Amanda?

• 5:05Speaker 02

  Ohio.

• 5:06Dax Shepard?

  Oh, my goodness. We just got off the phone with someone from Canton, Ohio.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Oh, really? That's where my husband works. That's crazy.

• 5:13Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. So you're in that general area of Ohio?

• 5:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, Mansfield area.

• 5:19Dax Shepard?

  Okay. And are you from there?

• 5:20Speaker 02

  Yep, this is where I grew up.

• 5:22Dax Shepard?

  Now, do you ever go to Chappelle's Town?

• 5:26Speaker 02

  I don't think I've ever heard of that.

• 5:27Dax Shepard?

  Well, Chappelle lives in some town by Dayton, and I think he's bought up most of the town in his stand-up, he claims.

• 5:34Speaker 02

  Dave Chappelle. I literally thought you meant a place called Chappelle Town.

• 5:37Dax Shepard?

  Oh, sure. Maybe I'll change that to the name.

• 5:40Speaker 02

  Actually, I think it's near Springfield because my cousin lives there.

• 5:44Dax Shepard?

  Okay, but you've never been curious to go see what's happening over there?

• 5:47Speaker 02

  I haven't.

• 5:50Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so you have a kink story?

• 5:52Speaker 02

  Yes. So it's a very strange turn-on, I guess I would say.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, lovely.

• 5:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, the stranger the better.

• 6:01Speaker 02

  I grew up knowing of my husband. We went to the same school growing up, but I didn't really like know him. We weren't really friends. I just knew of him, especially because he has something about him that makes him stand out. That's like different. So when I moved back to my hometown as an adult, we reconnected. And so I remember who he was because of that unique thing, which is that he has one eye.

• 6:30Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh. That's okay. Very memorable. Really quick, what grade was it that you stopped being around him?

• 6:36Speaker 02

  We went to school together.

• 6:38Dax Shepard?

  All the way to senior year?

• 6:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:40Dax Shepard?

  How long had you been gone?

• 6:41Speaker 02

  I had been graduated for like six years.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  And was he wearing a patch?

• 6:47Speaker 02

  No, so he has a prosthetic. I started dating him and that's how I remembered him. I'm like, oh yeah, that's the kid I went to school with. He had one eye. There wasn't very many of them.

• 6:57Dax Shepard?

  Did he pay a big price for that? Were kids nice to him?

• 6:59Speaker 02

  Sometimes kids can be jerks, but nothing too terrible. It's not like super noticeable. So anyhow, fast forward, we started dating and things were going really good. And then one night before we were going to bed, he said, okay, well, we're about to move to the next step in our relationship. And I'm like, what do you mean? Apparently his eye was irritated. And so he was like, I'm gonna take my eye out.

• 7:25Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  And I have to clean it, like, and I'm not gonna sleep with it in. At this point, I guess I never thought about the fact that his eye comes out.

• 7:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:33Dax Shepard?

  I wouldn't know that.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  I didn't think about it. He always had it in. He sleeps with it in. Like, I'd never seen him without it. So I just assumed it stays in.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  So he takes his eye out.

• 7:45Dax Shepard?

  Really quick, how long were you dating?

• 7:46Speaker 02

  Probably like seven months or so. I'd asked him a ton of questions about his eye before, because I was just curious, but I never thought to ask, like, hey, does that thing come out?

• 7:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, can I hold your eye?

• 8:01Speaker 02

  So, yeah, he took his eye out. And ever since then, I don't know if it's because he looks rough and tough and sexy, or if it's just the vulnerability. But I find him so attractive and I get all hot and bothered.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  When he takes it out?

• 8:19Speaker 02

  When he's got his eye out.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that.

• 8:22Dax Shepard?

  I do too.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  I could see that being all of those things. Like, he trusts you and that's hot.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  I know. So I find him so attractive. That's my, like, unique turn on is when my husband takes his eye out. So like, if it's late at night and he takes that thing out.

• 8:40Dax Shepard?

  It's go time.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Oh. He's so lucky. He just has like one thing he has to do.

• 8:46Dax Shepard?

  I know. I wish I had something like that. Yeah. Let me take my nose off real quick and let's get to it.

• 8:52Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 8:53Dax Shepard?

  Now, were there stages? All right. So first of all, watching him remove it, what was that like? Or did he do it privately, removing it and then show you? Or did he do the whole thing in front of you?

• 9:04Speaker 02

  I wanted to watch. I was like, oh, this is so cool. So I popped it out and I asked them if I could hold it.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  It looked so different than I thought it would too. I've never seen a prosthetic guy before. I thought it would be like a round ball. No, it wasn't.

• 9:17Speaker 01

  What is it?

• 9:18Speaker 02

  It's actually got like little square corners on the edge and it like holds it in place. It was definitely neat.

• 9:24Dax Shepard?

  I'm gonna get really perverse on you. How deep in can you see? You look into where the eye was?

• 9:30Speaker 02

  You can see his whole eye socket. People ask this all the time. My sister was so nosy. She's like, what does it look like?

• 9:37Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 9:37Speaker 02

  It looks like the tissue inside your mouth.

• 9:40Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay. It's like pink.

• 9:42Speaker 02

  Just a little empty little socket.

• 9:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:45Dax Shepard?

  Did you kiss it? Do you kiss the socket? I would.

• 9:47Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, Dax, we have to be a little.

• 9:49Dax Shepard?

  No, I mean, that's what the problem is.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  Never kiss the socket.

• 9:51Dax Shepard?

  Oh, I think I would.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  Okay, I really get it. Very vulnerable.

• 9:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, different.

• 9:58Speaker 01

  How sweet.

• 9:59Dax Shepard?

  So how long have you guys been together now?

• 10:01Speaker 02

  We've been married for almost 10 years now.

• 10:04Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wow.

• 10:05Speaker 01

  Now, have you ever been around anyone else with a prosthetic eye and been like, oh?

• 10:10Speaker 02

  I haven't. My dad has one leg, but both eyes.

• 10:13Dax Shepard?

  Wait, did he have one leg growing up?

• 10:15Speaker 02

  He got ran over on a motorcycle. It was right before he graduated. So I've only ever known him with one leg.

• 10:23Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I think that paves the way for this in a way.

• 10:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, we always make jokes like my dad has one leg. My husband has one eye. They're like pirate.

• 10:32Dax Shepard?

  Together, they make one perfect pirate.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 10:36Dax Shepard?

  He's a good dad. He's a good husband, but together they make a perfect pirate.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 10:41Speaker 01

  If he's ever being annoying the husband and you're like so annoyed with him, are you just like, can you just take your eye out so I can like, like you again?

• 10:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, like whenever we're mad, he's like, watch this.

• 10:53Dax Shepard?

  Now can he drive? Cause what I understand about stereoscopic vision is that you don't have depth perception if you only have one eye. Does he have depth perception issues?

• 11:01Speaker 02

  He doesn't have depth perception. No, because he's just got the one. But I mean, he drives. They let him.

• 11:06Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, good, good. Well, Amanda, this is a very uplifting story. I really like it. Yeah, I would want this for him. Had he had girlfriends in high school?

• 11:17Speaker 02

  He did. Actually, I asked him if he ever used it as a pickup line. He said he used to use it as a pickup line and it actually works.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 11:26Dax Shepard?

  What was the line? Do you know?

• 11:28Speaker 02

  I don't know the specifics, but I just know like before we had started dating, I'm like, did you use this to your advantage? Cause if I had one eye, I'd be.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  Oh, did you ask him? I feel like I would be like, how many people have you taken your eye out for? Cause that is a new level.

• 11:46Speaker 02

  He had never taken his eye out in front of anyone except for his mom.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  That's so sweet.

• 11:53Dax Shepard?

  What if he's like, girl, I would take my eye out for you in your heart?

• 11:56Speaker 01

  That is a good pickup line.

• 11:58Dax Shepard?

  But he won it because it was a pickup line. Yeah. You'd have to wait seven months.

• 12:02Speaker 02

  Too funny. Yeah, you gotta wait seven months, then he'll think about it.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  You gotta earn it.

• 12:07Dax Shepard?

  The comedian in me cannot help but try to think of what line I would want to use. I gotta like construct what I would say if I had one. Like it doesn't take two eyes to see that you're gorgeous. You know, something along those lines.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  Sure. Maybe you can ask him and write back and we can report it back.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  I'll keep you posted.

• 12:26Dax Shepard?

  But I'll keep working on them. I'll keep working on them.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  Well, this was great.

• 12:30Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. So Amanda, are you a listener or is your husband or neither or both?

• 12:34Speaker 02

  Me, my friend, actually, I work with her. She's the one who showed me the podcast. And so then we always look at the stories and I was like, oh my gosh, I have to write in.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  I'm so happy you did.

• 12:44Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, me too. Well, it's a delight to meet you. Thanks for sharing that with us.

• 12:48Speaker 02

  Thank you, guys.

• 12:50Dax Shepard?

  Send our love to your husband, because he's a participant.

• 12:53Speaker 02

  Unwillingly.

• 12:55Dax Shepard?

  All right.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  Bye. Have a good day.

• 12:56Speaker 02

  You too.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  I would feel really lucky if someone took their eye out for me.

• 13:03Dax Shepard?

  Of course.

• 13:04Speaker 03

  Especially if it wasn't prosthetic.

• 13:06Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, they just poke themselves.

• 13:09Dax Shepard?

  This is for you. Afraid for you. If some man pops his healthy eye out to impress you. He's got rid of your bilateral stereoscopic vision for me.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Well, I do like sacrifice.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  Hi.

• 13:21Dax Shepard?

  David, how are you?

• 13:23Speaker 04

  I'm good. How are you?

• 13:25Speaker 01

  Are you in a log cabin?

• 13:26Dax Shepard?

  I was gonna say, you're in a wood paradise right now.

• 13:28Speaker 04

  Well, I'm in Rhode Island.

• 13:30Dax Shepard?

  Oh, I love this, but it looks like a hunting lodge vibe.

• 13:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's just my living room. The closets here are too small.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  It's so cute.

• 13:38Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 13:39Dax Shepard?

  What are these antlers next to the door?

• 13:41Speaker 04

  Well, it's kind of just for display.

• 13:43Dax Shepard?

  Sure. Do they serve as coat racks?

• 13:45Speaker 04

  Not really. I'm a gay man.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  It's cute. It's really nice.

• 13:49Speaker 04

  It's decorative.

• 13:50Dax Shepard?

  We don't hang our coats on antlers.

• 13:52Speaker 04

  We don't.

• 13:54Dax Shepard?

  And are you from Rhode Island, David?

• 13:56Speaker 04

  Yep. I grew up here, born and raised, so hopefully not giving the little brother energy.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. I was about to say it, and then I stopped myself. I was like, that's mean. You are not giving little brother energy. This is big boy, big brother, big boy.

• 14:11Dax Shepard?

  Big boy.

• 14:11Speaker 01

  Big boy energy.

• 14:16Dax Shepard?

  Big boy energy would mean you have a salad bar, for me.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  I know.

• 14:19Dax Shepard?

  Because big boy hamburgers.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  That's right. You might be our first Rhode Islander, and you're breaking the stereotype that I have in my head, so this is great.

• 14:27Speaker 04

  What was the Rhode Island stereotype, could I ask?

• 14:29Speaker 01

  Well, little brother energy. As we established.

• 14:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:33Dax Shepard?

  Which I still don't really understand. I don't understand how a state can have energy.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  I'm trying so hard to be like my big brother, Boston or New York.

• 14:43Speaker 04

  Listen, I think Rhode Island has like, I don't give a fuck, energy.

• 14:46Dax Shepard?

  I do, too.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 14:48Dax Shepard?

  Robyn's like, oh, no, our gangsters are even nastier than y'all's.

• 14:51Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 14:52Speaker 01

  They're like telling you that because they need you to know. They really need you to know.

• 14:56Speaker 04

  Really tough, as you can see.

• 14:58Dax Shepard?

  Funny enough, they're like you, tiny and mighty. You should love them.

• 15:01Speaker 01

  I love it. It's gorgeous.

• 15:02Dax Shepard?

  And have you ever left for some period of time, or just born there and stayed there?

• 15:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, I've lived in different places. I've lived in Canada. I've lived out in California. I was in Palm Springs for a bit, so I've been around. But Rhode Island has a little bit of a gravitational pull. It keeps bringing you back.

• 15:18Dax Shepard?

  You're close to a lot of wonderful things, right? You're close to the Cape and Martha's Vineyard's not far, right?

• 15:22Speaker 04

  You can ski. There's beaches. I mean, it's all here. Come visit Rhode Island.

• 15:26Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 15:27Speaker 01

  This was a good ad for Rhode Island tourism.

• 15:38Dax Shepard?

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• 19:06Dax Shepard?

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• 19:55Dax Shepard?

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• 20:47Dax Shepard?

  Okay. So you have an interesting kink. I think we use the word unique, but I would also say we could have said interesting.

• 20:53Speaker 04

  It's not my kink. This is a Tinder story.

• 20:56Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wonderful.

• 20:57Speaker 04

  And usually for me, Tinder is not my go to because you know, you want different things at different times, different moods and Tinder is very like black and white, swipe right, swipe left. I prefer Grindr where you have the grid and you have different options. And so I was kind of on it and I was bored and I was just kind of swiping along and this guy popped up and he was an amateur bodybuilder. And so there's all these pictures of him flexing, it's biceps, it's triceps. And it was like, ooh, whatever your mood is, he's going to be a swipe right.

• 21:25Dax Shepard?

  That means yes?

• 21:26Speaker 04

  That's a yes.

• 21:27Dax Shepard?

  Okay, great, great, great, great.

• 21:28Speaker 04

  So we swipe right, I match and we start chatting and I'm like, well, what are you looking for? What are you into? And he's like, well, I'm into something pretty specific and I'm a 42 year old gay man. I feel like I've heard at this point, most things.

• 21:41Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you're like, don't flatter yourself.

• 21:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm like, hit me.

• 21:46Speaker 04

  He says, well, have you ever heard of forced gay? I go, no, it's not something that's been on my radar. And he goes, well, I have this girlfriend in Australia and she's a professional Dom. She's my mistress and she likes watching me get fucked in the ass by men on camera.

• 22:04Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wow. Wow, wow, wow.

• 22:07Speaker 04

  And I go, well, do you enjoy getting fucked?

• 22:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:10Speaker 04

  By a mess on camera?

• 22:11Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:12Speaker 04

  And he goes, I enjoy making her happy and she really enjoys seeing this. And I guess this is like the Dom sub dynamic.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  She's like, you do this.

• 22:21Dax Shepard?

  You're a big boy. What was it?

• 22:23Speaker 01

  I didn't do a good job. I was like, you do this.

• 22:25Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, didn't, didn't.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  Please do it right now.

• 22:28Dax Shepard?

  You didn't imbue like great authority.

• 22:30Speaker 04

  You know, I think in any other situation, like nine times out of 10, I think I'd be like, I'm good.

• 22:34Dax Shepard?

  This feels too complicated, right? There'll be someone watching in Australia. We got a time zone to think about.

• 22:38Speaker 04

  Know that it's my thing, but he was really sexy.

• 22:41Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:42Speaker 04

  Also, when you step into the unknown, I find this is when you learn about yourself. So how bad could it be? So I say yes. The first hiccup was that it was this like logistical nightmare because she's in Australia. He's two hours away.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  She get to like watch over Zoom or something?

• 22:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  Oh, shit.

• 22:57Speaker 04

  That's the whole thing. She wants to watch it. So we finally picked the time and we're gonna do it at my house. And I see him come down the driveway and I'm like reliving it now. I'm getting excited.

• 23:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 23:09Speaker 04

  So he parks his car and he gets out and he's kind of pacing back and forth in my driveway. And I can see that he's speaking and I thought that maybe he was like giving himself a pep talk. And then I realized he's got the AirPods on so that he's actually talking to his girlfriend, this mistress. So I opened the door and he comes inside.

• 23:28Dax Shepard?

  Really quick, do you offer him a water?

• 23:29Speaker 04

  I don't think I did.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  Why is she called a mistress if she's just his girlfriend?

• 23:34Dax Shepard?

  Well, because sub Dom, it's probably just like sexy speak.

• 23:37Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 23:38Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, like my mistress, you know?

• 23:40Speaker 01

  I just didn't know if like someone's married in there.

• 23:42Dax Shepard?

  No, no.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Because that's normally what the word mistress is used for.

• 23:46Dax Shepard?

  I agree with you, but immediately when I heard sub Dom, I'm like, well, that's clearly one of these terms that there's a mistress.

• 23:52Speaker 04

  Again, I don't know.

• 23:53Speaker 01

  Okay, great.

• 23:54Speaker 04

  As he comes into my house, the thing that immediately surprised me was that I could hear her talking to him.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Oh, boy.

• 24:01Speaker 04

  On the AirPods.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  She's like giving directions.

• 24:04Speaker 04

  Yes. And she's going, tell him how excited you are to get fucked. And he's like, I'm so excited to get fucked. And she goes, tell him how much you like cum. And he's like, oh, I just love cum. And I'm like, okay.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  Forced gay, like it really is forced. She's saying exactly what he has to do.

• 24:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, she was kind of like piloting.

• 24:24Dax Shepard?

  I was gonna say, to me, it feels like you're about this to have sex with a remote control car. Like someone is completely controlling.

• 24:30Speaker 04

  Or like Iron Man.

• 24:31Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:33Speaker 04

  So I'm like, let's go upstairs. And so we go into my room and he pulls out his tripod that he has. He has like a whole setup so that she can watch. And now I'm thinking, I'm like, I don't know what I signed up for. Like, I might be in a little bit over my head.

• 24:46Dax Shepard?

  Sure. Well, I mean, a porn that's distributed.

• 24:49Speaker 04

  Yes. And so she's on this phone. Luckily, I couldn't see her because I was starting to get nervous that it was going to be like a FaceTime experience. But she could see us and he immediately starts undressing. He climbs onto my bed and he's just like ass up.

• 25:02Dax Shepard?

  Well, can I pause you though for one second?

• 25:04Speaker 04

  Please.

• 25:04Dax Shepard?

  I'm putting myself in this situation. I would be like, oh, my God, this is crazy. I don't even know. Does he really want any of this? And then he would get naked and be like, oh, you know what? All that went out the window. Did you have that moment where you're like, okay, this is going to be a party?

• 25:15Speaker 04

  I was more like, oh, I am just a dildo.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 25:19Dax Shepard?

  You're a prop for her. She's in charge of both of you. Yeah, yeah.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  I'm a prop and he's being piloted. Like, this isn't about me.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  His ear pod fell out while he's in the middle. And he's like, hold on.

• 25:30Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I don't know what I'm supposed to do now.

• 25:32Speaker 04

  And he is really sexy and I'm like trying to get hard because I'm like, well, I am a dildo. And I am just completely at this point in my head. And I'm just like, now I'm doing hand gestures, but I'm just like pulling like harder and harder and harder. Like I'm trying to start a fire.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 25:46Dax Shepard?

  Trying to really bring it to attention.

• 25:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, because this isn't, well, I guess to some people it could be sexy.

• 25:50Speaker 04

  Monica, it was not sexy. I got like half mass, like enough that I was like, I think I can achieve penetration. So I climb on top of him and I'm like trying to stick it in and it's not really going. And she's continuing to speak and she's telling him like, tell him how much you want his load.

• 26:07Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 26:09Speaker 04

  And then she's like barking out orders of like, move the camera to the right, move the camera to the left. And she's basically now like directing it. I was like, guys, I just need a minute. I'm stepping out.

• 26:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:19Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, let's all regroup. And she needs to calm down when they're barking orders, like at least the pace of it. Give him one command. Chill for a sec.

• 26:27Speaker 04

  It was also like in this Australian accent that I found a little bit like, it was just a lot.

• 26:31Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it was like the woman who wouldn't come to a million. I can't get grading and I love the accent, but they're not giving you a good message. It can be grading.

• 26:39Speaker 04

  So I go into my living room. I just need to check in with myself. I was like, is this even still a yes?

• 26:43Dax Shepard?

  Right. Good for you.

• 26:45Speaker 04

  Cause like, it's definitely not a hell yeah, but it's not like an act of violence against myself for me to like, fuck this beautiful man on my bed. What I needed though was like some entry point into the eroticism.

• 26:55Dax Shepard?

  Well, you guys weren't connecting one iota. He's dialed exclusively into her.

• 27:00Speaker 04

  Well, it's like you're telling someone a story and they're scrolling on their phone, not present. So I need something I can latch on to. And I was like, well, I guess it's like, kind of sweet that he's doing this thing for this woman that he really loves, that they have this really special connection. I'm like, I think I can work with that.

• 27:16Dax Shepard?

  You're trying to find your way in. Yeah. You're trying to find your way in.

• 27:18Speaker 04

  Desperately trying to find my way in. And I'm like, I will do this for them. Like this isn't going to be for me. I'm just going to give them a performance. Like that's what they want. So I pulled up some porn on my phone. All systems go, went into the bedroom, climbed on top and she's still directing and talking. And I'm just using like a hundred percent of my brain, stay in it.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  Oh God.

• 27:40Speaker 04

  There's zero percent chance that I'm gonna come, but they really want that. And I was like, I'm just gonna pretend. They're not gonna know. It's like, I'm inside of him. Like he doesn't know. He's not even gay.

• 27:51Speaker 04

  So I like do this really performative orgasm. She loves it. He loves it. He hangs up with her, which was nice. And then he's finally present in the room and he was like, that was really hot. Do you have any feedback for me? Like anything you want to share?

• 28:04Speaker 01

  As an actor?

• 28:06Dax Shepard?

  As a partner.

• 28:07Speaker 04

  And I was like, well, yeah, I didn't realize that your girlfriend was going to be so present. Fucking this man in the ass was like the straightest thing that I've ever done.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Right. Exactly. Yeah.

• 28:18Speaker 04

  It would have been nice to chat with her about expectations and what she wanted to get out of it. And also the bitch needs to commit to an angle.

• 28:26Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you're micromanaging.

• 28:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. Cause you can either commit to one angle and see decent sex, hopefully, or do this micromanagement and see pretty bad sex.

• 28:35Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:36Speaker 04

  And he was like, oh, can I call her back so that you can give her that feedback? And I was like, no, this is over.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 28:42Dax Shepard?

  Did he ever reach out again? Did he want a round two?

• 28:46Speaker 04

  He didn't.

• 28:47Dax Shepard?

  He didn't want to round one.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  Exactly, exactly.

• 28:51Speaker 04

  The whole thing was a little suspicious because I guess he actually may be just gay and this girlfriend's a cover for it and this is permission structure.

• 28:57Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 28:58Speaker 04

  There's a lot going on there.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  There's a lot.

• 29:00Dax Shepard?

  You could do a lot of armchair psychoanalysis on the whole scenario.

• 29:04Speaker 04

  Well, that's my story.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  That was a great story.

• 29:07Dax Shepard?

  That's incredible.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  I've never heard about that.

• 29:09Speaker 04

  Forced gay.

• 29:10Dax Shepard?

  I do wonder if they ever even have been together. They met on the internet and this whole relationship's taking place with her in Australia over the internet.

• 29:18Speaker 04

  I kind of thought maybe she wasn't even gonna be real, like, oh, I have this girlfriend in Australia.

• 29:23Dax Shepard?

  Right, again, like, kind of masking.

• 29:25Speaker 04

  She was definitely real.

• 29:28Dax Shepard?

  Real bossy, it sounds like.

• 29:31Speaker 01

  Wow, she knew what she wanted. It was basically you were having sex with her.

• 29:35Speaker 04

  That's what it felt like.

• 29:36Dax Shepard?

  Did you have any sense of whether she was masturbating or not? She must have been, yeah?

• 29:40Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 29:41Speaker 04

  Oh, I don't know. I don't know much about female masturbation, admittedly. I don't know if I would have picked up on the cues.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  I think you would have. I don't think she was. I mean, if you could hear her.

• 29:51Dax Shepard?

  Well, why else is she watching it if not to masturbate? What would be the point of putting this guy through all this?

• 29:56Speaker 04

  Power?

• 29:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, it might not be a sexual kink.

• 30:00Dax Shepard?

  I hope she's our next caller, I'll tell you that.

• 30:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, you could get this story from every angle.

• 30:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, kind of like she got.

• 30:06Dax Shepard?

  Wow, wow, wow.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  Well, that was great.

• 30:09Dax Shepard?

  Absolutely, I love that.

• 30:11Speaker 01

  Thank you for teaching us.

• 30:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

• 30:13Dax Shepard?

  Tell me more about your dwelling, I'm just so into it. Was it built in the 50s or 70s?

• 30:19Speaker 04

  1978.

• 30:20Dax Shepard?

  Seventy-eight.

• 30:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's kind of this like mid-century-ish cabin in the forest here in Rhode Island. It's very cozy, we just had a foot of snow, it's very picturesque.

• 30:30Dax Shepard?

  You got a wood burning stove somewhere in there?

• 30:32Speaker 04

  Downstairs.

• 30:32Dax Shepard?

  Oh, baby.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  You're so handsome, I wish you lived in LA, I could cite you up with Jess.

• 30:37Speaker 04

  Aww.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  You also seem fun to be around, so it'd be fun.

• 30:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, I am single.

• 30:42Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wow.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  Maybe you should come visit.

• 30:44Dax Shepard?

  If you ever traveled to LA.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, give us a ring.

• 30:47Speaker 04

  I'll do that.

• 30:48Dax Shepard?

  And if you'd be more comfortable, Monica can be on a phone call with him the whole time you guys are together.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  I'll tell Jess what to say.

• 30:56Dax Shepard?

  Well, wonderful meeting you, David, this was delightful.

• 30:58Speaker 04

  Nice meeting you guys, take care.

• 31:00Dax Shepard?

  All right, bye.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  Oh, I just had a stomach grumble. It wasn't a fart.

• 31:05Dax Shepard?

  Okay, bless you.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  It was not a fart.

• 31:06Dax Shepard?

  You know, every time I fart, Lincoln says, bless you really quickly. Like, she's really got it. It's her first thought. And I said, it's such a good joke. And I'm just so impressed how immediately you remember.

• 31:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's great.

• 31:25Dax Shepard?

  We get support from Instagram teen accounts. So we talk a lot on this show about how the world is different now than when we were growing up. And one of the biggest differences is obviously social media. And I think a lot of people wonder, okay, what's actually being done to make it safer for teenagers?

• 31:41Speaker 01

  Which is a fair question.

• 31:42Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. So Instagram has got something called teen accounts and they come with automatic protections built in by default. So anyone between 13 and 17 is automatically placed into this experience. They get age appropriate content settings, contact limits, so that by default, only people they're already connected to can message them. And time management tools, daily time limit reminders, and also sleep mode that mutes notifications from 10:00 PM to 7:00 AM.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  Sleep mode is genius.

• 32:10Dax Shepard?

  Right? And here's the thing, for anyone under 16, a parent has to give permission to change any of those settings to be less strict. The guardrails are on and Instagram keeps building new safety features to create age appropriate experiences for teens.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  I am really glad Instagram is helping to give parents peace of mind with teen accounts.

• 32:29Dax Shepard?

  Learn more about teen accounts and Instagram's ongoing work to protect teens online at instagram.com/teenaccounts. We get support from Skims. So Monica just informed me that she's a girl's girl and I nodded like I knew exactly what that meant.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, but the girls who get it, they get it.

• 32:49Dax Shepard?

  Okay, but for those of us who are clearly not girls, walk me through it.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  Well, you know how much I love my Skims fleece joggers because the plush fleece is so soft, it's cozy, it's really comfortable without feeling too heavy. Well, I went to friend them and she would not stop talking about how comfy they were. She almost didn't give them back to me, which was upsetting, but I'm a girl's girl, so I let her have it.

• 33:10Dax Shepard?

  Great, great, great.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  So the sleep sets are awesome because they are very soft and comfortable, but they're cute. If I'm in my sleep set, I feel fine about going down the street to pick up my food. I'm still looking cute, but I'm comfy and I'm cozy.

• 33:25Dax Shepard?

  Roger.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  A really fun thing to do is if you're going on vacation with your girlfriends, to get matching Skims pajamas. I've done this with Callie and it is so fun. First of all, the pics are so cute, but also it's just fun and friendship.

• 33:38Dax Shepard?

  So a girl's girl is looking out for your friends with better loungewear. I get it. Am I one of your girls now?

• 33:44Speaker 01

  You are. You and the other girlies can shop my favorite loungewear and pajamas at skims.com. After you place your order, be sure to let them know we sent you. Select podcasts in the survey and be sure to select our show in the dropdown menu that follows.

• 33:58Dax Shepard?

  We get support by Peloton. You know that feeling when you're spiraling over a problem and you just can't figure it out? When that happens to me, I need a change of pace and I've found that running is the best way. It takes my brain out of the driver's seat and I come back with a fresh perspective. Running can be freeing and cathartic and Peloton helps you feel all of that. And now that feeling fits wherever you need it with the new Peloton Tread Flex. It's movable and foldable, designed to fit your life. So next time you feel stuck, you can go for a run literally anywhere, whether that's in your office, living room, or even the attic. Plus, they have classes with expert instructors and programs to meet you at any level and keep you moving.

• 34:40Dax Shepard?

  Let yourself run. Explore the new Peloton Tread Flex at onepeloton.com.

• 34:54Dax Shepard?

  Ah, hello. I'm calling you Rico?

• 34:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm Rico.

• 34:58Dax Shepard?

  How are you Rico?

• 35:00Speaker 03

  I'm doing good. As you see, my audio is not perfect and I'm not in a closet.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  No, you're fine. You're fine.

• 35:05Speaker 03

  I apologize, but if you wanted to wait, I should be home in about five minutes to be in the closet like you guys requested, or we can just go.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 35:14Dax Shepard?

  Let's party. Yeah, if you're up for it.

• 35:16Speaker 03

  Okay, let's party.

• 35:17Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah. Where are you driving around?

• 35:19Speaker 03

  I was, uh, training with my students over here.

• 35:23Speaker 01

  Hi.

• 35:23Dax Shepard?

  Hi. What state are you in?

• 35:25Speaker 03

  We are in Florida.

• 35:27Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so you guys and us are about the only people not miserable right now.

• 35:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, I heard that the rest of the country is suffering from zero degrees and a lot of snow. And as you can see, short sleeves, short pants. It's eighty two degrees.

• 35:42Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wow. You're beating us. So Rico, where are you from?

• 35:45Speaker 06

  I am from Puerto Rico. That's where my accent is from, but I've been in the United States since I was eighteen. But yeah, my accent is not gone.

• 35:51Dax Shepard?

  That's okay. It's very charming. I wouldn't try to get rid of it.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, keep it, please.

• 35:54Dax Shepard?

  It's working.

• 35:54Speaker 06

  Thank you so much.

• 35:55Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so you have a unique kink and we're so excited to hear about it.

• 35:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, so before anything, I just want you to know, I am in this team right now. I've been like daydreaming about this and just thinking, wow, you know, maybe one day they're gonna interview me. And now it's happening. It feels so amazing.

• 36:11Dax Shepard?

  Oh, good, good.

• 36:12Speaker 06

  When I saw the prompt, I just went like, oh, this is me. They're calling me.

• 36:19Dax Shepard?

  Ding ding ding ding.

• 36:21Speaker 06

  The kink is one that I've been always hiding, ashamed of, and just very curious. Who can I open myself to sharing about this? It feels something that lingers in there and I wish I could somehow cure it, but let me just give you the punchline right now. Later on, I'll give you the climax. The punchline is that my unusual kink is I like my toes nibbled on.

• 36:44Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay, wonderful.

• 36:46Speaker 01

  This is not uncommon.

• 36:48Dax Shepard?

  Well, let's just start with, I think, most people would enjoy their toes being nibbled on.

• 36:52Speaker 06

  Look, I fantasize about this. Even when I've got a massages, I would pay extra.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:58Speaker 06

  But I'll tell you how this started. Most kids will be comforted by their parents through a blankie or a teddy bear. And in my case, it was my mom used to nibble on my toes.

• 37:07Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay.

• 37:09Speaker 06

  I loved it. That was a thing that it would soothe me and I am a parent right now. I do anything to indulge my kid and to help him like get through the day, whatever it is. And my mom would do that. I am one of four kids. I was the only one that requested this.

• 37:24Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 37:25Speaker 06

  It went on for many years, but around maybe when I was turning eight years old, we began to get looks by other family members or even siblings. He's just like, what is this woman doing with him? It just looks weird.

• 37:39Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, sure.

• 37:41Speaker 06

  Pick up on those hints and then my mom, I would see her like side glance and say like now, almost like we're doing something taboo.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  Oh, bad. Yeah.

• 37:50Speaker 06

  And imagine eight years old, I'm just learning what's right, what's wrong. But anyhow, my mom stopped doing it. But I still had that need to soothe myself. So I just learned to actually bring my toes to my mouth.

• 38:01Dax Shepard?

  Oh, my God, you can get your toes in your mouth?

• 38:04Speaker 06

  I can still do it.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. And it would work if you did it to yourself, you still got the same sense?

• 38:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, I still got it. It's not as good as when she was doing it, but

• 38:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:15Dax Shepard?

  Of course.

• 38:15Speaker 06

  That got me through that season of my life.

• 38:18Dax Shepard?

  Wait, can I just say real quick, there's a couple of things I want to point out, like one is my mom always strokes the side of my hair really gently. And she just grazes my ear and I love it. And she still, as an adult, if she is in town, I lay in her lap. And she says, you want me to pat the side of your head? And I say, yes. And like, that's totally acceptable, right? But all these things are so fucking arbitrary, right? Like, for some reason, it's totally fine to stroke your kid's ear. But then, yeah, to nibble on the toes is something and it's just very quite arbitrary.

• 38:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're right.

• 38:49Dax Shepard?

  And then even you sucking your toes, people suck their thumb.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 38:52Dax Shepard?

  You might be worried they're gonna get buck teeth, but you don't think there's any moral imperative being broken? Who gives a fuck what digits you're sucking to soothe? Okay, I wanted to say all those things.

• 39:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, my whole family knows about this. They still to this day will sometimes bring it up. They ask me, do you still do it? Whatever. And I have just tried to avoid the topic just because I had that shame.

• 39:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:13Speaker 06

  Move on into the future, I started getting into serious relationships with women. And like I said, I've wanted to get that itch scratched. And I've been lucky that I've had some great partners in my life who wanted to indulge me. But I remember it's just like the very first long partner that I had, she did it once. She would see the face that I was just turning to an emotional nirvana.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 39:41Speaker 06

  That's what I needed, you know, it's like the best massage in the world. And she probably did it like once or twice, it's like, it's too weird. And then the shame returns, you know, like, I can't do that anymore. Sometimes honestly, when I'm in the bedroom by myself, I would just like nibble on my toe a little bit as a way to soothe myself. Next relationship, same thing, I just.

• 40:01Speaker 06

  Risk. Can I test this person if she do it with me? She would do it once and then be like, oh, this is too weird, you know? And my toes are washed. I dreamed my nails, but it was just too weird. And I go back to being in shame about it. Now fast forward to now, I am engaged to a smoke show.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, we saw her. She's beautiful.

• 40:24Dax Shepard?

  We just saw her. She's a knockout.

• 40:25Speaker 06

  Thank you. Same thing. I started going out with her and we're little by little confessing things about ourselves. And I just confessed one day. It's just like, hey, you know, this is one kink. If you could indulge me, we just like change everything right off the bat. No, it's too weird. No way. And I just go back to my shame. And things are going great between us, but it's always this thing that I've wanted. And like I said, if I could pay somebody to do it as a part time gig, it would be the one thing as a billionaire, I would definitely have a.

• 40:52Dax Shepard?

  A team.

• 40:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, a team of billionaires.

• 40:55Dax Shepard?

  Rico, I'm having a really hard time understanding why these women think it's so weird. I've sucked on girls' toes. I don't think it's weird. I don't give a fuck, right?

• 41:05Speaker 06

  I would totally do it. Like I'm giving my girl full massage and I'm like nibbling on her toes. At least giving her kisses. It's not the same for her. It's not being the same for anybody else like it is for me. But anyhow, the climax of the story was that during the beginning of the relationship with my current fiance, if I can just get a little bit more explicit, if it's possible.

• 41:23Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 41:24Speaker 06

  Cause my son listens to this podcast too. One day we're in the bedroom, we're having fun and it's amazing. Like I said, she's super hot. I'm just looking at her body and she is riding me reverse cowgirl. And I'm just looking at her curves as I am climaxing into that moment like this is so amazing. She bends down and starts nibbling on my toes.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  Good for her. Good for her. Oh my God.

• 41:53Speaker 06

  You've seen in the matrix when Neo gets disconnected from the machine, you know, like, I don't know if I went offline or if I came online. It's like the most vivid memory that I've had.

• 42:10Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah, you combined it all.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  I'm so glad she gave that to you.

• 42:14Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 42:15Speaker 06

  Nothing can equal that gift to me. It just took me to a different place.

• 42:19Dax Shepard?

  And when she saw what an incredible reaction elicited out of you, did it encourage her to do that more?

• 42:25Speaker 06

  Very reluctantly, but she'll do it.

• 42:27Dax Shepard?

  That might even be the best version where it's like you don't know when it's coming.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  It's not every time.

• 42:31Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:33Speaker 01

  But it's a special treat.

• 42:34Speaker 06

  Sometimes we are like giving each other foot massages in front of the TV as we're watching something. And then it'll just come over me. We're like, maybe I'm gonna risk it. Hey, do you mind like nibbling on my pinky?

• 42:44Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 42:46Speaker 06

  I make sure it's clean. My nails are cut and everything. So we make it as comfortable as possible. And she like nibbled on it and I'm like, oh God, thank you.

• 42:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. Wow. I have a logistical question, if you don't mind, and you don't have to answer if you don't want to. But is it like with teeth or is it like sucking?

• 43:04Dax Shepard?

  Sucking between your toes?

• 43:06Speaker 06

  To me, like the highest level of pressure would be my pinky toe with your bottom teeth biting against the nail. Or sometimes the fatty part of my toes where the fat is on the bottom, kind of like where your fingerprints are. And that is.

• 43:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 43:23Dax Shepard?

  It's like they're eating corn on the cob.

• 43:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is literally nibbling.

• 43:26Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 43:26Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 43:27Dax Shepard?

  This is so doable. Have you ever had a dog nibble on your toes?

• 43:30Speaker 06

  It'd be close and I've thought about it. It's just like, maybe I can train a dog with peanut butter.

• 43:37Speaker 06

  That's even too weird for me.

• 43:39Dax Shepard?

  We found your threshold. Guess then we get into a different zone altogether, right? Yeah, we're including animals. Okay. Well, I think this is an adorable desire and I feel like you should be indulged.

• 43:51Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 43:52Dax Shepard?

  Like if I could make someone happy that easily, truly, I would just be like, fuck, yeah, great. I know a way to make you happy so easily.

• 43:59Speaker 01

  Some of these things with these kinks, it's like, it's a superpower.

• 44:01Dax Shepard?

  You can instantly make someone happy.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  It's harder to do with people who don't have any kinks.

• 44:07Speaker 06

  The more honesty you have with your partner, the more you can unlock secrets within yourselves that just shortcut you to get the results that you want. Especially if your partner comes home and they are not in a great mood. It's just like, oh, maybe it is. I should just. Put on some music because that's the thing that they want, you know, like it's so easy to indulge a person if they're thinking, or my partner is, she wants foot massages, no problem. I'll massage your feet, it helps you unwind, it's so simple for me. Some things they just don't display in movies as often, so they're not part of the culture.

• 44:36Dax Shepard?

  Well, I think Quentin Tarantino's gotten close. I think if anyone was gonna give it to you, it'd probably be Tarantino.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  But even that's wrapped in like, oh, it's naughty. It's not in your vanilla sex scene, which it should be.

• 44:48Dax Shepard?

  No, yeah, yeah.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  It could be.

• 44:49Speaker 06

  Oh, my God, if I stayed in that R-rated movie, I'd probably rewind that scene. Just to like see it a couple of times.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 44:58Speaker 06

  I was actually watching Aladdin the other day, and I remember how somebody called saying that Aladdin would get her horny. I don't know if you remember that one.

• 45:04Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She was humping her stairs in her basement or something.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, she was. I think those masturbation stories.

• 45:11Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  God, we've really run the gambit on these stories.

• 45:13Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, we'll do it all here.

• 45:15Speaker 06

  I wanted to tell you that I listen on road trips. Like I say, even with my son, sometimes there are some ones that I have to just put the headphones on him and be like, don't worry about this. But we love it. My fiance and I are faithful listeners, but like I said, I just wouldn't want to share this with anybody because it's unusual and I have shame around it.

• 45:34Dax Shepard?

  Oh, Rico, liberate you from this shame. This is so harmless and lovely.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, this isn't causing anyone any harm or anything.

• 45:43Dax Shepard?

  No.

• 45:44Speaker 01

  Some kinks do.

• 45:45Dax Shepard?

  They get a little dangerous.

• 45:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, this one's very benign and cute.

• 45:49Speaker 06

  No, thank you.

• 45:50Dax Shepard?

  Monica would nibble your toes if you were dating.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, if we were dating, I would do it.

• 45:54Speaker 06

  I wanted to tell you guys both something. One of them, of course, Monica, I'm gonna be hitting on you for a quick minute if I may hit on you.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 46:00Speaker 06

  Before I do it, Dax, I came across you guys through the interview with Tim Ferriss. But I love your day seven episode because I'm also in recovery. I've been sober for about two and a half years. My recovery is from sex and porn addiction. And that one, you know, with all that shame, when I was listening to your day seven, I just felt like I had to stop and cry, stop and cry, stop and cry. It really helped me a lot. By the way, I have never seen who you guys were before. Later on, I like go, who is Dax again? I go, oh, yeah, the guy from Punk. She's like, this guy is good looking, the tattoos. Jealousy arriving me, I'm like, I don't want to listen to this guy. I'm in here so bad.

• 46:41Speaker 06

  But then I listen to Monica, just be attentive towards you and I am a sucker for attention. And I'm like, who is this chick? I do, dude. Monica, your eyes heal me.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  That's so nice. I'm so flattered.

• 46:58Speaker 06

  I'm like, next level. I can't with these two people.

• 47:03Speaker 06

  And I wish that one day you do bring some sort of sex addiction expert. Every time one of us that have addictions get shamed or just get misidentified, it's like, oh no, they're just misunderstood. Cause none of us that are in this program want to do any harm, but some of us have some shame around it that we just rather not carry on living. All you have to do is bring a little bit of awareness and understanding. And I think that could heal a lot of people in the community. A lot of people in the world, since you guys have so much reach.

• 47:31Dax Shepard?

  Rico, I totally agree. I say this often about SLA. SLA is currently at the acceptance level that AA was in the forties, where men were having to really hide that they were alcoholics. It was so shame inducing. And I feel terrible that SLA is decades behind the acceptance of people in AA. And it's totally unfair. And I know and love many people in that program. And I'll applaud the people in that program because if part of my recovery was I had to use cocaine successfully, in a healthy way, good luck to me, man. And I say this about people in OA as well. It's like, you gotta eat. So to have to wrestle your addiction three times a day,

• 48:12Dax Shepard?

  or to have relationships and have a sexual relationship and be trying to keep that in the boundaries of what's good for you. It's a really impressive undertaking and I have a lot of admiration for the people who are tackling it.

• 48:24Speaker 06

  It's very difficult. It does become beautiful because you figure out, like in my case, if I was just very obsessed with something, it would just take so many hours of your day. And then now when you open that up, it's like, oh, now I can actually walk my dog. I can paint more. I can do my hobbies. Life just. Triples in terms of the things that actually give me fulfillment.

• 48:43Dax Shepard?

  Rico, it's identical in that the preoccupation of addiction steals your presence from all other things you're doing.

• 48:50Speaker 06

  That's a great way to say it, man.

• 48:51Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Well, it's beautiful to meet you. Yeah, I really, really enjoyed this. I hope this sim moment was good for you as it was for us.

• 48:58Speaker 06

  Thank you so much and I appreciate your time today. Hope to see you again for another Hunter Anonymous.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Have a great day. Oh, man, I loved him.

• 49:09Dax Shepard?

  Me too. Rico, we love you.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  Oh, man. That was great.

• 49:16Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. It feels like such a tiny request.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 49:21Dax Shepard?

  But you don't want to shame anyone who doesn't want to do it. I know.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. This is where things, like, no one should do what they don't want to do.

• 49:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 49:27Speaker 01

  Absolutely. And it's sad to me that he has so much shame around that because it's not that big of a deal.

• 49:34Dax Shepard?

  As you said, quite benign.

• 49:35Speaker 01

  It's benign. It's not a bunion.

• 49:38Dax Shepard?

  It's not a bunion. Although if he had a bunion, I bet he'd love to get a nibble on it.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  I mean, I would maybe want to nibble on a bunion.

• 49:46Dax Shepard?

  Then it combines the eye thing and the nibbling on the toes.

• 49:50Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, it's like an actual bump that's like you kind of want to chew it off.

• 49:55Dax Shepard?

  And maybe they're insecure about it and you let them know, no, I love your bunion.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  Trust. Look, kinks are about trust.

• 50:02Dax Shepard?

  Yep. You heard it here first.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  I invented that.

• 50:05Dax Shepard?

  All right. Love you.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  Love you.

• 50:09Speaker 03

  Do you want to sing a tune or something? We have a theme song.

• 50:12Dax Shepard?

  Okay, great. We don't have a theme song for this new show, so here I go, go, go. We're gonna ask some random questions and with the help of our cherries, we'll get some suggestions. On the fly, Ryan Dish. On the fly, Ryan Dish. Enjoy.

• 50:35Dax Shepard?

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