Pod Insights Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard Andy Roddick (former professional tennis player) About this episode Andy Roddick (Served) is a Grand Slam-winning tennis champion. Andy joins the Armchair Expert to discuss when his tennis rankings weren’t as good as his older brother’s until the day it flipped, whether he thinks you’re born or made with the disposition of an elite athlete, and how undervalued a skill it is to get beat and go to work the next day. Andy and Dax talk about the dividends gained from taking 10 years off of tennis, the protectiveness his father showed over his career and finances, and his mom bribing him with tickets to the US Open for a good report card. Andy explains the morning he woke up at 30 and decided to retire, the joy of doing SNL, and being spoiled by greatness in the sport of tennis today.
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0:00 Dax Shepard? Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert, Experts on Expert. I'm Dan Shepard and I'm joined by Lily Patton.
0:05 Speaker 01 Hi.
0:05 Dax Shepard? Today we have Andy Roddick on. And if anyone was curious who this sexy guest was who sweat a little bit. This is it.
0:15 Speaker 01 He's, he was very.
0:18 Dax Shepard? Go all the way.
0:20 Speaker 01 He's just a very attractive person in general. He looks attractive, he sounds attractive, and he is attractive.
0:28 Dax Shepard? It turns out, he's attractive. Yeah, I was absolutely charmed to no end by Andy. Um, I really just thought he was spectacular.
0:35 Speaker 01 He was very easy to talk to.
0:36 Dax Shepard? Yes, yes, yes. He's not just easy on the eyes, he's very easy on the ears. Andy Roddick is a tennis champion, former world number one and US Open champion, three-time Wimbledon finalist, and a 2017 first-ballot inductee into the International Tennis Hall of Fame. And he has a podcast called Served with Andy Roddick, which is like the best tennis podcast out there. You can watch it on YouTube or listen wherever you get your pods. Please enjoy our new boyfriend, Andy Roddick. We get support from AG1. Fall is that time when your body and mind are getting ready for the winter. You're settling in, bracing for the cold. Your body's already running a deficit from the shorter days and broken sleep patterns.
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4:20 Speaker 01 Wow.
4:21 Dax Shepard? This is me, exactly.
4:23 Speaker 02 Just straight to the suckin' up, waste no time.
4:26 Dax Shepard? I never offer this to drivers when they're in the driveway.
4:28 Speaker 02 Sure.
4:29 Dax Shepard? I don't know why, but we're walking by and like, "Hey brother, there's a urinal in the garage if you need that, it's unlocked." And he was like, "Oh, okay."
4:38 Speaker 01 He was really holding it in.
4:40 Speaker 02 He was bottled up.
4:41 Speaker 01 He was.
4:42 Speaker 02 He was, he was about to break.
4:45 Speaker 01 You could sense it.
4:45 Speaker 02 I didn't know I had that ability, but here we are.
4:48 Speaker 01 It's like a superpower you didn't know.
4:49 Speaker 02 That's like a good thing to say aloud to people, because you don't think about it, maybe. It's kind of like a dick thing to not think about, right?
4:54 Dax Shepard? And what was that guy gonna do for the next two hours?
4:57 Speaker 01 He's gonna have to find a cup, yep.
5:00 Speaker 02 He was gonna prove the toughness and no one was gonna know.
5:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's right.
5:03 Dax Shepard? He's gonna have prostate issues. He's gonna go home to his wife and he's gonna be like, "My prostate's on fire."
5:09 Speaker 01 Oh, no.
5:10 Speaker 02 You just saved him from the end.
5:13 Speaker 01 Also, you just wanted to talk about your urinal.
5:15 Dax Shepard? I mean, I don't mind that people know I have a urinal in my garage. Does that excite you, Andy?
5:19 Speaker 02 A little bit, more than it should.
5:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly.
5:21 Dax Shepard? I'm gonna be honest, this is more bragging, because it's name droppery. But he's passed, so I can do it now. But I was once at Ozzy.
5:27 Speaker 02 Is that the way it works?
5:28 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I think so. You and I are gonna get to talk about our dads as wildly as we want to.
5:33 Speaker 02 Okay.
5:33 Dax Shepard? That's the one upside of having lost dads.
5:35 Speaker 02 Yeah.
5:35 Dax Shepard? You can really tell the truth.
5:37 Speaker 02 Yeah.
5:37 Dax Shepard? But, yeah, I was one time at Ozzy Osbourne's house, and I went to use the bathroom, and there was this gorgeous black urinal in there with like, gold fixtures, and I was like, "Of course."
5:46 Speaker 02 That's kind of what I wanted it to look like.
5:48 Speaker 01 Yes, he's really delivered.
5:50 Dax Shepard? That's where the obsession came in then.
5:51 Speaker 01 Oh, man.
5:53 Dax Shepard? That was the secret.
5:54 Speaker 01 Really rest in peace.
5:56 Dax Shepard? But at the old house, when Kristen moved in, I had a urinal in the hallway there, based on the Ozzy thing. And she was like, "This is so fucking tacky." And got rid of it. So I didn't have it, but now I have a garage. And I go, "That's where the urinal's gonna live."
6:10 Speaker 02 Yeah.
6:11 Dax Shepard? Do you have anything stupid like that at your house where you bartered with your wife?
6:14 Speaker 01 Oh, good question.
6:15 Speaker 02 Oh, I just got like my first room.
6:16 Dax Shepard? Oh, you did?
6:17 Speaker 02 Ever, yeah. She has me trained well. I have like a lounger and a TV. I'm like, I made it.
6:21 Dax Shepard? Yeah, killing it.
6:21 Speaker 02 This is it.
6:22 Speaker 01 But you're stylish, so I feel like you probably have a high standard for aesthetics.
6:26 Speaker 02 It's generous.
6:27 Dax Shepard? I think he's mostly known for wearing T-shirts and shit in interviews.
6:30 Speaker 01 It's really stylish T-shirts.
6:31 Dax Shepard? Is that a really stylish one?
6:33 Speaker 02 Like, yeah.
6:33 Speaker 01 Look at him!
6:34 Speaker 02 This is, this is it. My wife, she's a designer and she does all that stuff. And it's like, if I don't value my opinion more than I value your opinion, why should I get 50% of the say in what goes in this room?
6:44 Speaker 01 Wow, that's mature.
6:45 Dax Shepard? Well, that's her stance or yours?
6:46 Speaker 02 That's mine. With design, I don't trust my opinion more than yours. Why should it be valued right now in this conversation?
6:51 Dax Shepard? Agreed. And if we're gonna talk about what power plant the car should have, maybe you defer to me.
6:56 Speaker 02 I'm an idiot. Very narrow silo of...
6:59 Speaker 01 We can all defer to that.
7:01 Dax Shepard? It's gotta be tennis question.
7:02 Speaker 02 Pretty much. I wasn't a dummy.
7:05 Dax Shepard? Well, I was thrilled to learn a couple of things about you today. We have some mutual loves I discovered right out of the gates. So you grew up in Austin, four to 11?
7:12 Speaker 02 I grew up there and then went back, so I've been there 25 years.
7:15 Dax Shepard? The day after you won the US...
7:17 Speaker 02 Correct, geez, yeah.
7:18 Dax Shepard? You flew down there and bought a house immediately?
7:20 Speaker 02 Yes.
7:20 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
7:21 Dax Shepard? Yeah, so I have that same crazy love affair with Austin.
7:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
7:24 Dax Shepard? What was it like growing up there?
7:26 Speaker 02 It was different than it is now. There weren't 60-story pre-sold commercial buildings. It was Willie Nelson playing Anton's and this weird place in Texas that makes no sense compared to the rest of Texas.
7:37 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
7:38 Speaker 02 It was great. You know, we moved from Nebraska. Most of my formative memories are probably from Austin and your parents move you around and then when you have your own decision to make, I went back there.
7:46 Dax Shepard? What part of Austin were you in?
7:48 Speaker 02 Well, it used to be kind of the outskirts and then it became, I guess, the main skirts.
7:51 Dax Shepard? Like Westlake area?
7:51 Speaker 02 Yeah, exactly. The hills out there.
7:53 Dax Shepard? Good guess.
7:53 Speaker 01 You knew that. Speaking of people who have passed, sadly, Robert Redford passed, and I almost sent this to you. Apparently, he loved Barton Springs.
8:02 Dax Shepard? Oh, no way!
8:03 Speaker 02 Barton Springs is cool.
8:04 Dax Shepard? That's my temple.
8:05 Speaker 02 It's amazing. The whole Town Lake situation, right off of downtown, you can be crunchy and you can be downtown in like four minutes.
8:11 Dax Shepard? If I go there for a week, my commitment is like, I go to Barton Springs every day, gotta go every day. But I just recently discovered going at night. I guess I didn't realize it was open at night. So the notion that you can float in the springs and be looking at the lit up city?
8:22 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:23 Dax Shepard? That feels impossible.
8:24 Speaker 02 Do you like it so much that if you take someone and they don't love it as much as you, you're disappointed?
8:28 Dax Shepard? Then they're out.
8:30 Speaker 01 No, they're not. I'm still here. I'm still standing.
8:33 Dax Shepard? But my financial security is tied to you, so you have a lot of leverage.
8:37 Speaker 01 That's right.
8:37 Speaker 02 There are exceptions, yeah.
8:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:39 Dax Shepard? But did you not like... I mean, she got booted. She got thrown out.
8:42 Speaker 02 You got thrown out?
8:43 Dax Shepard? She had 86.
8:44 Speaker 02 Is that possible in Austin?
8:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:46 Dax Shepard? What'd you do?
8:47 Speaker 01 They don't let you bring in any food. By the way, it wasn't just me. It was a bunch of us.
8:50 Dax Shepard? It was a black mark on my reputation there, I'll say.
8:52 Speaker 01 I know. You distanced yourself from us so fast.
8:56 Speaker 02 Yeah, no, you can't. Her mistakes can't become yours and vice versa.
8:59 Speaker 01 Cheez-Its and snacks. And this Australian woman who runs the place very well.
9:07 Dax Shepard? For that month, I'll just add, the turnover there is very high.
9:10 Speaker 01 She lit into us and she was like, you gotta go. And we were like, well, we'll just put it in the car.
9:16 Speaker 02 Oh, so it wasn't like a water bottle through TSA where it's you just gotta go back and start again? This was like, you were done.
9:22 Speaker 01 Come back. Take your food and get the fuck out.
9:25 Dax Shepard? We hate you.
9:25 Speaker 02 Did she actually say that?
9:26 Speaker 01 No, no.
9:28 Dax Shepard? That accent. This is funny, because we got in a fight about this.
9:31 Speaker 02 I mean, because an Aussie saying that's kind of funny.
9:33 Dax Shepard? It's kind of funny, and then it's...
9:34 Speaker 02 It's funnier when they cuss.
9:35 Speaker 01 Well, also, we were just like, there's a very easy solution. We'll just put it away. We'll just remove the food. Nope, already saw it. Already saw it.
9:43 Speaker 02 To be fair, you had just proven that you weren't to be trusted.
9:45 Speaker 01 I guess. I'm a very trustworthy person. I just love Cheez-Its.
9:50 Dax Shepard? Okay, so you grew up there, and then you're the youngest of three boys.
9:54 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
9:55 Dax Shepard? Do you think you would have ever been a professional athlete without competing with two people that are way older than you? And not just in tennis, just the whole ride.
10:03 Speaker 02 I always thought about it because my middle brother played tennis and was good at tennis.
10:06 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
10:06 Speaker 02 So I like the way that you frame that because I normally thought about it. I had this exposure to tennis at like a really high level. So I think I gave a lot of credit to that as opposed to just the basic structure of you're fighting uphill the whole way. So then when you get to neutral, it feels like you're downhill. I think I was a little bit of a whoopsie. My oldest brother was going to college when I was going to preschool.
10:25 Dax Shepard? No!
10:26 Speaker 02 So it's like, we didn't even live in the same place. My next brother was six years older, which...
10:30 Dax Shepard? Ooh, even worse.
10:31 Speaker 02 In sports is like an eternity. We kind of had the same thing, and you know, the rankings told the story that I wasn't horrible, but it was, you weren't him. Luckily for us, it flipped one summer very quickly. You know, he was a four-time All-American at Georgia and played well and was one of the top juniors in the world. And then one summer, he's drilling me when he comes home from school, and the next summer, it flips.
10:47 Speaker 01 Wait, at University of Georgia?
10:49 Speaker 02 Yeah.
10:49 Speaker 01 That's where I went to school.
10:50 Speaker 02 Oh, really?
10:51 Speaker 01 Yes.
10:51 Speaker 02 Yeah.
10:52 Dax Shepard? You could have even been, no?
10:54 Speaker 02 No, he was born in seventy-six.
10:56 Dax Shepard? Yeah, it's not gonna work out.
10:57 Speaker 01 Oh, messy. We just barely missed each other by twelve years.
11:00 Speaker 02 Just barely missed each other by a decade.
11:01 Speaker 01 Wow.
11:02 Dax Shepard? He's been retired for twenty-five years.
11:03 Speaker 01 That's exciting. Go, dog.
11:04 Dax Shepard? Do you remember beating your brother at tennis for the first time?
11:07 Speaker 02 Yeah, and I'm still not totally convinced that he didn't take a dive.
11:10 Dax Shepard? Oh.
11:11 Speaker 01 Oh.
11:11 Speaker 02 It's where he was leaving college. He was pretty sure he didn't want to try tours. So the benefit to me was way more than the benefit to him. I still have an ass to him about it because I don't know that I would believe anything he said.
11:22 Dax Shepard? I don't think he did. I don't think you can.
11:24 Speaker 01 I don't think he did either.
11:25 Dax Shepard? Nobody, he's not Jesus. He might be a great dude, but I don't think he's like from another planet.
11:31 Speaker 02 I was excited because then I knew when my mom was like, well, look at your brother. I'm like, that bum? The guy who sucks now?
11:38 Dax Shepard? The has-been I just mopped the court with?
11:40 Speaker 02 Yeah.
11:41 Speaker 01 But did it cause any friction between you two? Not at all.
11:44 Dax Shepard? I think the age gap's so big.
11:45 Speaker 02 So big that like you basically just ignore each other. There was no sibling rivalry because it was just he was here and it was here and then he was gone and I was home. I probably annoyed him at a certain point, you know, when you're eight and fourteen or something.
11:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:57 Speaker 02 But once you get older, there's no day-to-day orbit and friction, at least in my experience.
12:01 Dax Shepard? I'll just say, I bring up your brothers because you guys moved to Florida for your middle brother to pursue his tennis career. Were you bummed to move to Florida?
12:09 Speaker 02 I honestly don't remember. That's a little misleading. He was good. I was one of the top in the country in my age division. So it wasn't as if we moved there and I started playing tennis. It was pretty established.
12:17 Dax Shepard? But you were only eleven?
12:18 Speaker 02 I was ten. I think it was new and exciting. I mean, imagine this. You all have probably experienced it at some point. You've had this crazy growth trajectory, but we landed, I'm ten, and at that point in Austin, I was nine, beating sixteen-year-olds. So I was number one in the city in sixteen and unders. And I always tell people with athletic children, when you think they're really good, just travel a little further.
12:38 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
12:39 Speaker 02 Right? So we get to Florida and all of a sudden I see two girls hitting on these courts down at the end. Their names were Venus and Serena.
12:48 Speaker 01 Stop it.
12:48 Dax Shepard? Oh, wow. How old were they?
12:50 Speaker 02 Serena's about my age and Venus is, you know, two years older.
12:53 Dax Shepard? Oh, wow.
12:54 Speaker 02 And so three years of our existence after we moved to Florida was like, you think you're good.
12:57 Speaker 01 Right.
12:58 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
12:58 Speaker 02 And then you see, I get Goosebumps talking about like Jennifer Capriati was there who won majors and made the final semis of the USA when she was like 13.
13:05 Speaker 01 Oh my god.
13:06 Dax Shepard? Well, you've now moved to the epicenter of tennis.
13:08 Speaker 02 Well, you see like pro players and it's going, oh, I thought it was okay.
13:12 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
13:12 Speaker 02 And now I suck again. Parts of that are exciting, parts of that are scary.
13:16 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I bet. That's the first round of caving that's on the table. Like, that could be overwhelming and you could give up.
13:21 Speaker 02 Like getting beat and just going to work the next morning is like a superpower. It's like an undervalued skill.
13:25 Speaker 01 Absolutely.
13:26 Speaker 02 You know, you could be sad and work. And so like, I've always been okay with that balance and have failed many, many times. But that part was cool where you arrive and it's like, this is where the next 20 years of tennis is getting made. I even realized that at a young age. So that part was exciting, but you know, you miss people and things.
13:40 Dax Shepard? So your dad grew up working on a dairy farm. He was in the military. He ran a Jiffy Lube. He's a tough dude, yeah?
13:46 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
13:47 Dax Shepard? Where does he rank in these parents of child athletes? You hear these kind of stories.
13:52 Speaker 02 He was very tough, but also most of the parents of the child athletes want to be noticed and want credit. He wanted no credit.
14:01 Dax Shepard? Oh.
14:02 Speaker 02 They never sat in my player box, were never visible on TV until the cameras like found them like crouching in some random part of the stadium. So differentiated in that it was completely altruistic.
14:14 Dax Shepard? It wasn't his own glory he was seeking.
14:16 Speaker 02 No, I fully believe that. But it was like, this is a choice. This is an opportunity. You don't have to do it. If you do it, we're gonna do it. This isn't like a half-assed type thing. And it was military that way. And anything that I was doing was not hard compared to him running a farm when he was 12 or 13 years old. So the base comp for any conversation we started wasn't good for me.
14:33 Dax Shepard? Right, right.
14:34 Speaker 02 You know, so he was hard.
14:36 Dax Shepard? Where was it productive and useful? What aspects of it do you have a lot of gratitude for? And which ones were probably not helpful?
14:43 Speaker 02 It's probably the same. It's just a matter of if you get through. Tennis is weird. You should not have kids playing nine hours a day when you're eight or nine years old. Tennis is one of those sports that that has to happen.
14:51 Dax Shepard? Right.
14:52 Speaker 02 You don't have stories in tennis where it's like, it's a random reference, but I remember a guy who got drafted number one in the NBA, Michael Oliva Candy. Like, he started playing basketball freshman year of college.
15:01 Dax Shepard? Rodman started at like 21 years old.
15:03 Speaker 02 That story doesn't exist.
15:04 Dax Shepard? In tennis. Yeah, you guys are more like symphony musicians.
15:07 Speaker 02 It's like this weird thing and you have to get. Get used to this kind of lifestyle training thing before you are old enough to realize it's weird. I was pretty aware. I went to normal schools. It was this weird divide between no one at my school knew that I could do this thing. And so you're dealing with every little issue that every kid has, whether it's not fitting in, or this, that, and the other.
15:27 Dax Shepard? A girl doesn't like you.
15:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, someone's little brother trying to kick the shit out of you.
15:31 Dax Shepard? Cause he just found out he's strong.
15:33 Speaker 02 Yeah, and then all of a sudden, two o'clock hits and you go to practice and all of a sudden you're elite at something.
15:38 Dax Shepard? Yes, and you're valued.
15:40 Speaker 02 And so you have like this shift midday every day. Where it's like you put on your cape and then all of a sudden you're good at something.
15:45 Dax Shepard? Great. Well, I would imagine that would make most people pretty dualistic.
15:51 Speaker 01 Or arrogant.
15:52 Speaker 02 Oh.
15:52 Speaker 01 Don't you think?
15:53 Dax Shepard? Well, I just think you really get used to having multiple identities in different spaces. And there's like a quarter between these. And when you go to school, you can't bring your cockiness from the court.
16:03 Speaker 02 You shouldn't.
16:04 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
16:05 Speaker 01 That's what I'm saying. People probably do.
16:06 Dax Shepard? It won't go well.
16:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
16:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:08 Dax Shepard? Minimally. I would imagine you get pretty well versed in kind of snapping back and forth to two versions of yourself.
16:15 Speaker 02 Maybe.
16:16 Dax Shepard? That feels too self indulgent for you.
16:18 Speaker 02 No, definitely didn't realize it in the moment. You're shy when you're at school unless you're playing a sport or something. And then you kind of get a little cocky, to your point.
16:24 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
16:25 Speaker 02 You know, but I've realized the value of different places, different things at different moments. The value of traveling when you're 13 to Cali Columbia by yourself or going to Hong Kong. I don't know that I realized how weird that was, but also as I get older, the value of that, if it doesn't go completely sideways. And I think that's a razor's edge. There's a million people in tennis.
16:45 Dax Shepard? They did all that and it really didn't yield anything.
16:47 Speaker 02 Besides maybe damage of having done that stuff.
16:49 Speaker 01 Exactly.
16:50 Speaker 02 There's a lot of issues. So I think if you get to the other side of it, it's great. Where you're actually pragmatic enough and you feel like your cup is full enough to look backwards and say, that was really good for me. And I don't know that that's a one size fits all thing.
17:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
17:02 Dax Shepard? Do you follow F1 at all?
17:03 Speaker 02 Not really.
17:04 Dax Shepard? Okay. Well, Max Verstappen, the four time reigning champ. His dad famously on the way home from the track pulled over a gas station was like, "Get out. You're walking home because you didn't go for that pass in the turn and you had it." I mean, just brutal. Now, the fact that he's a four-time world champion, you're like, "Okay, well..."
17:19 Speaker 01 Tiger, Serena, and Venus. I mean, you hear all the stories and it's hard to say-
17:24 Dax Shepard? But we never talk about the ones where it's like, "Well, they never even got there and you left your fucking kid at the gas station." She was like, "It's only a-"
17:29 Speaker 01 Oh yeah, no, that kid might be dead now.
17:31 Speaker 02 I remember, and she never lets me forget it, I remember playing Serena in like a practice match and they were famous for, "We're not going to play junior tennis tournaments." And we're all like, "How do you learn how to compete?" You can see how good they are. And also, "This will never work." Idiots, right? And so, we would play, you know, as the best kid and Serena at that point was like she is now, she's an absolute beautiful, physical specimen. She is an absolute like-
17:52 Speaker 01 What an amazing person.
17:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, totally. So, we're playing and her dad or the coaches at the academy, they're all in on this program with these two. It's like, "Okay, I guess so. We'll see if it works." It worked. But like having kids from the academy surround the court and cheer against them.
18:05 Dax Shepard? Oh, really?
18:06 Speaker 02 Yeah. Yeah. She didn't say this. You see her go over and you're looking and she's like, "Fuck you."
18:12 Dax Shepard? It's fueling something.
18:13 Speaker 02 If it works-
18:14 Speaker 01 Exactly.
18:15 Speaker 02 I don't know that there's neutral.
18:16 Speaker 01 Are you born with the disposition or is it made? That's sort of my question.
18:20 Speaker 02 Again, I don't think it's absolute.
18:22 Dax Shepard? I think like everything, it's not binary.
18:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:24 Dax Shepard? And it's some combination.
18:25 Speaker 02 If you time it when you're ready, you could be ready at 12 and not ready at 9.
18:30 Dax Shepard? Well, you tried to quit at 16?
18:33 Speaker 02 This is going to sound arrogant. This isn't real for most people and I understand it's insane. My version of quitting was after I lost to Junior Wimbledon, threw all my rackets away. I knew at that point I could go to any college of my choice on a full ride. So, I wasn't quitting that. It was more like, "I'm quitting progress." "I'm quitting working towards this pro thing. It's not there. I'm going to go to Georgia."
18:55 Dax Shepard? And be a stud.
18:56 Speaker 02 I'm going to dominate Keggers and Courts.
18:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's so fun!
18:59 Speaker 02 I know. My brother had the most fun of any person that's ever gone to Georgia. The story gets told and my version of quitting is like, "I left my rackets in England." Nothing's a straight line.
19:08 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
19:08 Speaker 02 And there were levels to stuff. I knew that I could go anywhere to college. I knew I could play. And that wasn't a cocky or arrogant thing to say. That was truth. There were offers, but also it's like, you have this comfortable thing. That is gonna be awesome. You know, life is gonna be great until you're like 22.
19:21 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
19:22 Speaker 02 Or 23 and it's gonna be fantastic and you can train or not train. But there's that choice to gonna go past what you can be content with. That's a hard thing.
19:30 Dax Shepard? You're gonna have to have another whole round of misery. You've been suffering to get to this level, but to get to that level, there'll be more suffering. You're signing up for more suffering.
19:38 Speaker 02 Isn't that everything, though?
19:39 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
19:40 Speaker 02 That's not tennis specific, right?
19:41 Dax Shepard? No, right, right, right.
19:41 Speaker 02 That's just like, you don't feel content. You wanna keep going and building. And there's a next interesting conversation. There's something you haven't touched on. There's always something, right?
19:48 Speaker 01 For me, yes.
19:49 Dax Shepard? For her, yes, I am getting to the age.
19:51 Speaker 02 Really?
19:52 Dax Shepard? I am. I'm eight years older than you, I think. I'm just starting to feel like, yeah, we did a lot this lifetime and we did enough.
20:00 Speaker 02 If you didn't do enough for six months, would you still feel that way?
20:03 Dax Shepard? That's the fear, but I will say I had a lot of practice as a struggling actor. So for eight years, I never got any work.
20:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
20:09 Dax Shepard? So I got pretty good at learning how to exist with like no purpose.
20:12 Speaker 01 No, you didn't. You were a drug addict.
20:13 Dax Shepard? I was a drug addict and a drunk.
20:15 Speaker 01 Awesome.
20:16 Dax Shepard? But I didn't drink way to the movies. I like exercise. I like bike riding. I like working on shit. I'm very content not doing it. I could be wrong, but I have a different mindset for sure than I had at 42.
20:27 Speaker 02 Okay.
20:28 Dax Shepard? And I can just feel it and I'm welcoming it. I like it.
20:31 Speaker 02 Did you used to have guilt about it?
20:33 Dax Shepard? Oh, tremendous. I think at the core of it all is, am I worthy of love?
20:39 Dax Shepard? Just by existing or do I need to be spectacular?
20:42 Speaker 02 I understand.
20:42 Dax Shepard? So my story, my whole life is I have to be spectacular to be loved by everyone. And I'm approaching a zone where I'm like, no, I think I can just exist and people will love me. And so that's an interesting thing to unplug from.
20:55 Speaker 01 But what about day to day purpose?
20:57 Dax Shepard? Well, I have two kids is my purpose, you know, I get up and drive them to school and I'm very involved.
21:02 Speaker 02 Okay, so then you drive them to school and then.
21:04 Speaker 01 The hours.
21:05 Speaker 02 Where's the purpose meter between eight and four?
21:07 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly.
21:09 Dax Shepard? I'm pretty involved with helping dudes that are getting so I have a lot of things.
21:13 Speaker 01 Yeah. Don't you think though, and maybe I'm wrong, I don't have kids, but I feel like if you are your parents' sole purpose.
21:23 Speaker 01 That's tough.
21:24 Dax Shepard? If they feel the weight of that.
21:25 Speaker 02 Our kids probably feel like their sole purpose, not knowing what we do when they go to like, you have an entire work life.
21:31 Speaker 01 Right.
21:31 Speaker 02 But I do think it's important, we're happy, and I'm sure you are too, that your parents actually see you working. That might matter.
21:36 Dax Shepard? And the mom still wants to work for a while, so they'll see plenty of work. Here's what it is, Andy. You've been given this enormous gift. I've been given this enormous gift. I could explore the world, and I could figure out what purposes other than being productive. I have that opportunity, and I feel like it would be very dishonoring to that insane amount of luck I've had, to not challenge myself to find out what else is there in life other than being productive and accomplishing things and being spectacular. To me, it's a challenge in its own right. It is purpose in its own right. Can I unplug from the production fucking hamster wheel, in the growing and growing and growing, and explore and listen and be a part of the planet?
22:18 Speaker 02 Have you not done that at all?
22:19 Dax Shepard? Yes, I have windows of that.
22:20 Speaker 02 By choice.
22:21 Dax Shepard? By choice. Do you mean like, do I take breaks and stuff?
22:25 Speaker 02 People's journeys aren't the same. I was away from tennis for nine, 10 years.
22:29 Dax Shepard? Right.
22:30 Speaker 02 Before I wasn't. I had that beat to where now I feel the opposite of you. I feel refreshed. You feel like you're gaining on something. You feel like you're going.
22:37 Dax Shepard? But Andy, also, we started this podcast when I was exactly your age. I directed a movie. It didn't work out. I was completely depressed. I sat around for six months, and then I was like, okay, I need a whole new racket, and I want to throw myself at it, and I want to build something again. And it happened. I don't know, we'll check in at 50.
22:54 Speaker 02 I'm not saying you're wrong at all. I'm more just fascinated about the process.
22:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's interesting.
22:57 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
22:58 Dax Shepard? Back to you.
23:00 Speaker 01 It is about you, because this is on your horizon as well. You have these decisions.
23:04 Speaker 02 Well, I'm just fascinated. I mean, it starts and stops, and people normally think they need agreement. I'm more fascinated about what I don't know yet.
23:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:10 Dax Shepard? Uh huh. Okay, so you have this meteoric rise in tennis. You're a lot bigger, forgive me, neither of us know much about tennis. I just own that right now. And I'm also gonna ask you to go through some things that you would imagine everyone knows.
23:22 Speaker 02 Sure.
23:23 Dax Shepard? But I don't know that our audience knows. You're a lot bigger than the tennis players I've met. You're kind of abnormally big?
23:28 Speaker 02 Not in tennis anymore. I present more as like a fullback than a skinnier person.
23:32 Dax Shepard? But you're like 6'2".
23:33 Speaker 02 I always say I'm like a tennis player that was born in Nebraska.
23:38 Speaker 02 They're big now, though. Like Rafa's an animal. They're all huge now. That's the thing that's changed.
23:42 Dax Shepard? The conditioning has changed.
23:43 Speaker 02 Well, we used to have a skill and now you can't have that skill without being insanely athletic. So now you're seeing like Alcaraz and his body's like.
23:51 Dax Shepard? UFC fighter?
23:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, like he explodes and Sinner's six foot five and he's like a skier. The athleticism of tennis has completely changed in the last 25 years.
24:00 Dax Shepard? All sports, F1 drivers are now like peak fucking athletes. They weren't. They drove a car. The only place I'm seeing, because I watch all these sports doc series, because I do love them even if I don't like the sport. I don't like golf. You get away with just having a normal dad bod.
24:13 Speaker 02 No, I mean, you look at like a McElroy. These guys are like human rubber bands. He used to kind of be, what was the, what did Habib Gilmour? Plaid pants and a huge ass?
24:23 Speaker 02 It's younger and younger and these guys are swinging violently. It's changed a little bit. Tiger changed a lot of it.
24:28 Dax Shepard? Okay, yeah.
24:28 Speaker 02 Because he looked and presented like an athlete, so therefore every kid that.
24:31 Dax Shepard? Wanted to be him.
24:32 Speaker 02 Now looks and presents like an athlete. That's the thing with sports, man. Anybody who comes in here and says their generation walked uphill both ways is completely self-indulgent and full of shit.
24:40 Dax Shepard? Yeah. Okay, so but with your height, that has to be a part of your serve, right? Because the crazy part about your game was you had this insane serve.
24:47 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:48 Dax Shepard? I like this detail of it. You had numerous different coaches over the years and I do want to talk about that. I want to know how one, you got to break up with someone and hire someone and that's got to be a very stressful part of the experience. But as you hired coaches, your whole game was on the table except for the serve. The serve was to not be talked about. Is that right?
25:07 Speaker 02 It was to not be talked about.
25:08 Dax Shepard? Were you superstitious about the serve?
25:10 Speaker 02 No, I just knew it backwards. I knew the cadence when it started. I knew this little three count that I had. I knew the feelings of it. I knew more than they did. I don't say that lightly because we'll get to the coaches and I was obviously always in pursuit of something new, something different, something additive. And also, don't talk about my serve.
25:29 Dax Shepard? Ever. Yes. Is the origin of it true that you got really frustrated at like 16 and you served in a weird way out of anger and it worked? Is that true?
25:36 Speaker 02 That's true. I was playing, my friend Marty Fish, who ended up being a really good player. He was sixth in the world. Basically, all the kids who didn't get picked by the federation, right? So the people not funded by US tennis. Anymore, kind of the throwaways. We played at Crystal Palms apartment complex in Florida and there were like six of us and out of that group, a couple of us made top five, top six in the world. But I was playing against Marty, who's really, really good and at that point better and just got pissed off and I have like this little half motion of boarded tears, but it's not conventional. Hit one irresponsibly out of anger and it went in.
26:05 Dax Shepard? Which by the way is the thing they tell you to never do in anything, right? Don't try to kill it. Don't try to crush it. And you did. You're like, I'm gonna fucking murder this ball because I hate it.
26:12 Speaker 02 And that was it. Had I been doing well with Marty that day, I wouldn't be here having this conversation.
26:18 Dax Shepard? Crazy. And how do you, like, when you recognize it clicked, do you then think, okay, how do I commit this whole thing to muscle memory? Like, I gotta replicate. You just over and over again, you do it?
26:28 Speaker 02 Just started doing it.
26:29 Dax Shepard? And you didn't have to overthink it?
26:30 Speaker 02 It was immediately, well, a lot of the muscles build it. Like your shoulder still goes over. It's just your feet was different, but there was no time. And there were some other things that needed to be adjusted, but yeah, I mean, you literally figured it out and then the year before you're 40 or 50 in the world in juniors, which sounds good, but that means you're going to college. And then four months later was.
26:46 Dax Shepard? You're number one in Florida.
26:47 Speaker 02 One signed a rebuck deal over pro.
26:50 Dax Shepard? Yeah. So when you went to bed that night after discovering the serve, did you think it's replicatable? That wasn't a one off?
26:57 Speaker 02 Yeah. I mean, it was not the way a tennis player should look. It was violent and so the conversation became it'll work, but for how long?
27:04 Dax Shepard? He's gonna destroy his shoulder.
27:05 Speaker 02 Destroy it. It's like a 12 year old throwing a curve ball. I knew I had it.
27:09 Dax Shepard? But you were wondering for how long?
27:10 Speaker 02 I was like, let's just rip it though.
27:11 Dax Shepard? Yeah. Good for you.
27:14 Speaker 01 Good. You had to.
27:15 Speaker 02 Yeah, kinda.
27:15 Dax Shepard? I just feel like if I was you and I had been pursuing this thing nine hours a day for the last nine years, I feel like I would have gone to bed that night and been like, oh wow, we're about to enter a whole new zone.
27:25 Speaker 02 It was weird too, because going into sophomore year of high school, I was five two, 110 pounds.
27:29 Dax Shepard? Oh, Jesus.
27:29 Speaker 02 I grew seven inches that year and then six months after that I discovered the serve. So all of a sudden I go from like this tiny little guy who just annoyed people forever. You know, that was like my style to having this thing. You go from like Ichiro to Bonds. Or Aaron Judge quickly, right?
27:43 Dax Shepard? Yeah. How exciting. Were you cool in school? What was the high school experience like?
27:48 Speaker 02 The better I got at tennis, I became cooler. Everyone had a local paper.
27:51 Dax Shepard? Oh, so people started learning?
27:52 Speaker 02 Yeah. So then I started, but no, not really.
27:54 Speaker 01 Not even local celebrity. You were becoming a.
27:56 Speaker 02 It was weird because what we talked about earlier with the separation with church and state with school versus this other thing, it changed. You sign a contract, people know what you sign for.
28:04 Dax Shepard? Yes.
28:04 Speaker 02 You know, I remember the first time I played, there was a tournament in Miami, 1000, which is like just less than a grand slam. Win my first match. So I'm 17, beat a guy top 40, which was like unheard of. And then I'm second round. Andre Agassi, who was number one in the world at the time, my idol. Seventeen thousand people, obviously lost, but then went to school the next day.
28:24 Dax Shepard? After playing Agassi.
28:25 Speaker 02 In high school. So that like weird trade off was like.
28:27 Dax Shepard? Also, how much money were you winning back then?
28:30 Speaker 02 That deal I signed, it was incentive based, but the base was four hundred thousand a year.
28:36 Dax Shepard? Okay, okay.
28:36 Speaker 02 Immediately.
28:37 Speaker 01 Oh my gosh, in high school?
28:38 Speaker 02 Yeah. And then it was like all bonus based, right?
28:41 Dax Shepard? Right.
28:41 Speaker 02 So your prize money equals an incentivized contract along the way as well.
28:46 Dax Shepard? With your endorsement deals?
28:47 Speaker 02 Correct.
28:47 Dax Shepard? Okay, so how does a seventeen year old comprehend like, we're gonna make a million bucks this year? Is that part super exciting or were your parents somehow trying to shelter you from that reality?
28:59 Speaker 02 Probably both. I knew enough.
29:01 Dax Shepard? Were you allowed to go buy a stupid car in high school or anything?
29:03 Speaker 02 No, I bought a fucking sound system like.
29:06 Dax Shepard? What a douchebag.
29:07 Speaker 01 No, that's a high school thing to buy.
29:08 Dax Shepard? You can't regret these things. That's exactly what you're supposed to do.
29:11 Speaker 02 Thirty-two hundred bucks for losing to my first pro event.
29:13 Dax Shepard? Bought you a sound system.
29:14 Speaker 02 It was loud.
29:17 Speaker 02 Was loud going in the parking lot.
29:19 Speaker 01 Oh my goodness.
29:20 Speaker 02 Just such a dick.
29:21 Dax Shepard? You have to love that about your parents.
29:23 Speaker 01 I'm impressed you could keep your eye on the tennis prize. I bet the girls were just.
29:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, I bet the girls were all aflutter.
29:29 Speaker 01 All aflutter.
29:30 Speaker 02 They were aflutter.
29:31 Speaker 01 Of course they were. Not only, you're a.
29:34 Speaker 02 A stud.
29:34 Speaker 01 You're a stud and you're famous and you have a towel.
29:38 Dax Shepard? You had the best sound system in the high school parking lot.
29:41 Speaker 02 I think you're underselling the sound system.
29:43 Speaker 01 You're right.
29:45 Dax Shepard? I know that turns.
29:45 Speaker 01 Let's add that back in.
29:46 Dax Shepard? What was this sound system in? What kind of vehicle?
29:49 Speaker 02 It was an old Chevy Blazer.
29:51 Dax Shepard? Great, you could put a lot of shit in the back. Twelve inch kicker box?
29:55 Speaker 02 Yeah, the speakers couldn't take it, obviously. So it was just broken. Cloth seat, it smelled like a hockey locker and it was terrible.
30:02 Speaker 02 It was not the one.
30:02 Dax Shepard? Wow. So yeah, rich in high school. That's such a bizarre.
30:06 Speaker 01 Oh yeah, rich. I didn't even say that.
30:07 Speaker 02 It's not like I had it. I knew it was there at some point, but it wasn't as if like I went to a bank account and could go.
30:14 Dax Shepard? That's all I do.
30:14 Speaker 02 Spend a hundred thousand dollars. I didn't have access to it. It's not the same.
30:18 Dax Shepard? That's what I'm asking.
30:18 Speaker 02 It's like liquidity versus net worth. You can't buy a coffee with net worth.
30:21 Dax Shepard? Yeah. So the parents were keeping. You in check.
30:25 Speaker 02 You asked about my dad. He was very strict on the financial part of it.
30:29 Dax Shepard? Could be a short ride. You gotta save.
30:31 Speaker 02 Not even a short ride, just why wouldn't you be responsible? He was actually probably doing that because he thought it would be a long ride.
30:37 Dax Shepard? Uh huh.
30:38 Speaker 02 I think it was probably the opposite. So he was very overbearing with that stuff. Like he wore my first agent out to the point where like I would have other coaches and it was like, well, your dad called me. I go, don't answer.
30:47 Dax Shepard? Well, your agent who you loved to death, what was his name?
30:50 Speaker 02 Ken Myerson.
30:51 Dax Shepard? He ran interception for you a bit. He took a little bit of the stress of the father-son relationship out of the equation.
30:58 Speaker 02 Completely.
30:59 Dax Shepard? That's kind of telling because he had too much to say too often.
31:02 Speaker 02 My dad?
31:03 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
31:03 Speaker 02 Just has a control issue.
31:05 Dax Shepard? Yeah, control.
31:06 Speaker 02 I don't want this to become this weird representation. My parents got me. They lived in a tree. He did every single thing in his ability. All the stories we're telling was because he didn't leave an hour of work on the table. He never asked me to do one thing that he hadn't been willing to do in his life, which I think gives it an element of credibility. But definitely wanted his voice in the room.
31:25 Dax Shepard? Okay.
31:26 Speaker 02 Not in front of the TV, didn't want credit, didn't want to be recognized, didn't want anyone outside of this circle of four or five people. These four or five people were going to know that he existed.
31:36 Dax Shepard? All day.
31:36 Speaker 02 And no one else would.
31:37 Speaker 01 And that you were his, is that a piece of it?
31:40 Speaker 02 I think just overly protective, maybe like a fear-based type control thing.
31:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:45 Speaker 02 And then I think it's weird. You get to certain levels and we talk about high school and then you play the US Open and then you're in night matches and then you win it. And then you do all these things and I think it was hard for him once I was a complete adult.
31:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:57 Speaker 02 Right? Like he would tell me to clean my room. I'm like, dad, you came to stay at my house.
32:00 Dax Shepard? Yeah, he came to see you in Austin and he was all wrung up about it being a mess.
32:04 Speaker 02 We were just pissing on fire hydrants. He's like, your room's a mess. I'm like, I'm number one in the world.
32:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:09 Speaker 02 I don't care. I don't miss practice. Maybe misguided at times, but I don't think ever for the wrong intention.
32:14 Dax Shepard? Right. I can feel the hesitation. You would never want to say anything disparaging, but it's like, I love my wife. She's flawed as fuck. We have a great relationship. It has many challenges.
32:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
32:24 Dax Shepard? It's totally fine if things are also complicated.
32:27 Speaker 02 Yes.
32:28 Dax Shepard? It doesn't make her a bad person that she leaves the fucking cupboards open nonstop. She's still a great person. That she can't put a- Fucking cap on a jar.
32:35 Speaker 02 Oh, my gosh.
32:36 Dax Shepard? I grab my pills, they all fucking blow up. I'm like, none of these caps are on.
32:39 Speaker 02 Toothpaste.
32:40 Dax Shepard? It's so simple. It's right there.
32:41 Speaker 02 I don't want crusty ass toothpaste after you like, can I borrow some? No, you can't because then that's a goner.
32:46 Dax Shepard? Yes, how about this? You can borrow anything, but you have to put it back.
32:49 Speaker 02 Every time you use my toothpaste, I end up in the car driving somewhere.
32:54 Dax Shepard? And then I'm made fun of because I order like 15 fucking toothpastes from Amazon. She's like, we don't need them, man. We do.
32:59 Speaker 02 See, she's good now because she'll hear me bitch about it and then she's going to be furious because she actually buys like the 20.
33:05 Dax Shepard? There's the backup everything, so I'm telling stories.
33:10 Speaker 02 Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert if you dare.
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34:36 Dax Shepard? Well, first of all, I have this wonderful memory of going there as a kid when I would go see my stepdad when he was working out there. The weather is perfect in fall. Warm, sunny, no humidity. humidity and you can really do whatever you want with your time there. I want to do a sunrise hike through the Sonoran Desert, be surrounded by Sowaro and then at the same afternoon, just completely melt into a spa treatment at one of their luxury resorts.
35:00 Speaker 01 Oh, that sounds amazing. I want to do that. Also, I was there visiting my brother once and I loved Old Town Scottsdale. It's so walkable. They have galleries and cute little restaurants and shops. The food scene alone is worth the trip.
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37:30 Dax Shepard? Well, one thing I just want to end on with your serve, which I find so incredible. So you had the record for the fastest serve in history at 155 miles an hour. It has been beaten, but it's still only at 156.
37:45 Dax Shepard? That's so massive. The serve is described in many of the things I was reading as unreturnable.
37:50 Speaker 02 Well, to most, except for the Avengers that came on the way through career, but. I wasn't a natural tennis player. I was like a work guy, but I could throw it. That was it.
37:59 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:00 Speaker 02 Like I could make your life uncomfortable for a little bit.
38:02 Dax Shepard? Okay. So you win the 2003 US Open. You are.
38:05 Speaker 01 I'm dying to go to the US Open. No one will invite me.
38:08 Speaker 02 Let's do it. Whenever.
38:09 Dax Shepard? You just have to be a guest on his podcast and then.
38:11 Speaker 01 Oh, great. Invite me and then let's.
38:14 Dax Shepard? You know, earn your way.
38:15 Speaker 02 You don't even, you don't even have to do that.
38:16 Dax Shepard? Oh.
38:17 Speaker 01 I want to go.
38:19 Dax Shepard? I know why you want to go.
38:20 Speaker 01 I want to try that honey, honeydews. Yeah.
38:23 Dax Shepard? That's a cocktail?
38:24 Speaker 02 They basically invented a signature cocktail like that everyone pretends like has been around for a hundred years.
38:29 Dax Shepard? Like a mint juke.
38:30 Speaker 02 Put it in like eight years ago.
38:33 Speaker 02 Have you had a honeydews at the US Open? It's like, no, because they didn't fucking have them when I was playing. It's a made up thing.
38:38 Speaker 01 But it's a real.
38:39 Speaker 02 It's genius, though.
38:39 Speaker 01 I don't know. I've never had one.
38:41 Dax Shepard? You gotta buy it to find out.
38:42 Speaker 02 No, a little chambray, lemonade, Grey Goose and Sprite.
38:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, I want that.
38:48 Dax Shepard? I'll make you one and serve it on the fact check.
38:50 Speaker 01 The US Open.
38:51 Speaker 02 She wants to overpay for it.
38:54 Speaker 01 That's right.
38:54 Dax Shepard? You can't imagine how well you know her. You literally know everything you needed over a month ago.
38:59 Speaker 02 It doesn't taste as good if you don't pay $28 for it.
39:02 Speaker 01 It doesn't. And if it doesn't have those little melon balls on there. Yeah, that's really cool.
39:07 Speaker 02 My favorite thing about that is they have the honeydew cups that have all the winners on them. It's like, oh my God, I know I paid $30, but I got a free cup. It's worth 75 cents. So I won.
39:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, I want that. I want that. I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do that.
39:18 Dax Shepard? I saved thousands by getting this.
39:19 Speaker 01 But also, the US Open's gotten so cool. Everyone goes.
39:24 Dax Shepard? It's definitely a social event.
39:26 Speaker 01 It's the Met Ball.
39:27 Speaker 02 It's the Met Ball of sports.
39:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, I do really, really want to go. I need to learn a little bit more.
39:32 Dax Shepard? I'm trying to decide if I should ruin your day.
39:34 Speaker 01 What?
39:35 Dax Shepard? I got invited this year to go sit in the GM box.
39:40 Speaker 02 It's cool.
39:40 Dax Shepard? But it was the Emmys. No, it was something else important.
39:45 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:45 Speaker 01 You know what?
39:46 Speaker 02 It's worth seeing.
39:47 Speaker 01 I gotta do more social media stuff.
39:50 Speaker 02 You gotta amp it all up.
39:51 Speaker 01 I have a lot to work on.
39:52 Speaker 02 It's the internet now, for sure.
39:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:54 Dax Shepard? You win that 2003, you're 23?
39:58 Speaker 02 No, I turned 21 during the tournament.
40:00 Dax Shepard? What are the emotions that follow it? There's obviously probably relief.
40:04 Speaker 02 I felt a lot more relief towards the end of my career when I won matches. I was so dumb. I was like, oh, I'm gonna be like the guy. And then this fucking guy Federer comes in. I used to get bribed with the US Open from my mom for a good report card. Like, I went when I was nine and she would just weirdly let me walk around all day by myself. I would sneak into the players' lounges, bored to tears, but I saw Jimmy Connors make a run when he was 40 to the semis and he had the crowd in his hand. It was like a live rock show.
40:29 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
40:30 Speaker 02 He would go like this and everyone would get up. I'm going, tennis can do this.
40:33 Dax Shepard? Stand-up.
40:34 Speaker 02 Crazy. Yeah.
40:35 Speaker 01 Yes.
40:36 Speaker 02 I was like, he's controlling the mood of grown people.
40:39 Speaker 01 Yes.
40:40 Dax Shepard? It is interesting to observe human power when you're little.
40:43 Speaker 02 Absurd. I remember flying over it and at that point, Mayor Dinkins then changed the flight pattern so that you didn't get the noise over the stadium. But I remember flying right over the middle of the stadium when I was nine. It was 1 a.m. or something irresponsible and it was packed. It was Connors versus Patrick McAdoo. And I remember being like, I cannot believe how late it is in what we just flew over.
41:04 Dax Shepard? They're still playing.
41:05 Speaker 02 Oh, my God. I was blown away. So then 12 years later, you have that moment where it's like, that's it. No matter what happens, and not much happened. But no matter what happens from there, that's that.
41:15 Dax Shepard? You did that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:17 Speaker 02 People can't take away what you did.
41:18 Dax Shepard? I think you have to come to that. I don't think that's human nature. I did it. It can't be taken from me. Because I have had many successes and then after failures, I really can't access the notion that I had done the other thing.
41:32 Speaker 02 Is that the difference between sports and entertainment?
41:34 Dax Shepard? Maybe. Yeah, like a trophy is so definitive, I guess. It's number one, you won it.
41:39 Speaker 01 It's also each match is individual, where I feel like entertainment's more cumulative.
41:44 Speaker 02 The difference is, I'm guessing, I don't want to tell you about your business, but I'll tell you about like ours. You win the US Open, you know what that is. You can finish a project and other people are going to define what that is, and you're not going to know for a year.
41:55 Dax Shepard? Or even the quantifiable aspect, it might make 180, and you're like, wow, that's the big comedy. And then another movie comes around, makes 225 in a month, and that's like, oh, we forgot that that other movie made 180.
42:05 Speaker 02 Someone wins the US Open last week or wins at 20. It's kind of like the same thing. I had a hard time less to do with like that US Open win, because that was just fun, good time, you're like hosting SNL.
42:16 Dax Shepard? And you thought it was the beginning of something.
42:18 Speaker 02 You think it's going to happen a lot. I would lose a Wimbledon final after that.
42:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
42:21 Speaker 02 And it was like, you failure. And now I can go, okay, there's 128 men and women, so 256, each vying for this thing. You have a two-week race. You come in second with like earth. Some jackass can define that as a failure. I bought into it for a very, very long time.
42:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
42:37 Dax Shepard? Yes.
42:38 Speaker 02 Right? And so now it's like, okay, the way people perceive me would be different had I won two more points at Wimbledon, one of seven times. But it doesn't really change the day-to-day, like what a Tuesday would look like at all, I don't think.
42:48 Speaker 01 I guess that's what you're saying is, that's healthy, what you're saying, and some people never get there.
42:53 Dax Shepard? It took a lot of work for me. It's an ongoing thing to work through the experience of having mass relevance and then have fading relevance, and then maybe get another spike of mass relevance. I mean, I was struggling with it so much that I asked Sean To go out to breakfast with me and I'm like, how did you navigate these periods where just like, when you win the Olympics?
43:13 Speaker 02 The Olympics is a whole nother thing because like you're four years, top of the mountain, then like a year later, it's like, okay, I have three years. I'm curious about that conversation.
43:20 Dax Shepard? That's brutal.
43:21 Speaker 02 Cause I've heard Phelps talk about that. He goes, I'd win the Olympics, I would get all these medals and then I would be depressed.
43:25 Dax Shepard? You're on every talk show.
43:26 Speaker 02 It's the opposite of what you would think, right?
43:28 Speaker 01 And the rest of the world is,
43:30 Speaker 02 Plays along.
43:31 Speaker 01 Plays along because when someone's number one for too long, they want to see that upended.
43:36 Speaker 02 Well, there's also a reason why, you can't say everyone, but the narrative you hear most with musicians, with actors, entertainers, sports is when you're going after something, they always say, that was the time.
43:47 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
43:48 Speaker 02 That was the best time of our career, looking back.
43:49 Dax Shepard? Building.
43:50 Speaker 02 Pursuing, having those things where there's no, I think expectation is the hardest thing in sports. People talk about doing it, I think keeping it to your point is like another level and something that I couldn't do. It's another piece where you have to almost be like a complete psychopath.
44:03 Dax Shepard? You always gotta reset?
44:04 Speaker 02 Daily. It's not even just a big reset. It's like, I have to wake up. You know, Novak has been doing this for 20 years where Jokovic is like, I haven't had a piece of chocolate in 20 years. I have lemon water when I wake up. That's hard to do for a day.
44:14 Speaker 01 Exactly.
44:15 Speaker 02 Cleanse for five days and we want to throw a parade.
44:17 Speaker 01 You need to be a Buddhist to get through it, but I don't think you can be a Buddhist in order to get it. That's like, it's this weird catch 22.
44:25 Dax Shepard? It is. You have to keep it right sized, but in order to be the best, it can't be right sized.
44:30 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would say you can have it all, just not at the same time, right?
44:34 Dax Shepard? Right, right, right.
44:35 Speaker 01 That's true.
44:35 Dax Shepard? Okay, so the email I got from your publicist and then in this great GQ article I read with you, it was really, really good.
44:42 Speaker 01 Great article.
44:42 Dax Shepard? Both people are like, doesn't really want to talk about retiring. It was present in the article and it was present in this, and that's just a curiosity of mine. What part of it don't you like talking about? Or is there any part you don't like talking about?
44:54 Speaker 02 Well, imagine you have to announce your retirement from the five things that you do individually.
44:58 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
44:59 Speaker 02 Makes no sense.
45:00 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:01 Speaker 02 I retired from tennis, that doesn't mean I retired from life. There's a million other things.
45:04 Dax Shepard? Yes, yes.
45:04 Speaker 02 Right? So it's like, you retired at 30. It's like, no, I started other shit.
45:07 Dax Shepard? Right, right.
45:08 Speaker 02 It's a weird thing where I get asked about a lot and it's like, oh, are you okay?
45:12 Dax Shepard? Here was my primary guess.
45:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
45:15 Dax Shepard? Was, I would hate it because I hate being pitied. There's nothing I would hate more than like knowing someone pities me or feels bad. For me.
45:25 Speaker 02 No, I don't think that was it. I think it was, I was 30 when I retired.
45:30 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
45:30 Speaker 01 From tennis.
45:31 Speaker 02 And so it's hard to define people kind of almost digesting as like life ending at 30. That doesn't make any sense to me. Like, I'm very sad. This is my thing. This is the thing I'm in love with. This is my first girlfriend. This is my first love. This is the first thing ever. And I have a weird story. I woke up one morning and I decided that that was that.
45:50 Dax Shepard? It was your birthday?
45:50 Speaker 02 It was my birthday. I retired that afternoon. I made a run at the US Open. I was in the middle of the US Open. I'd played the night match the night before and then I just did it. So I played like another week and that was that. And I would never came back.
45:59 Dax Shepard? Right. So I admire it deeply. The earlier conversation we just had, which I was saying, know, the challenge of leaving safety and leaving what you know is actually the calling. And so I actually admire greatly that you were 30 and you were confident enough to go like, I'm not enjoying this the way I'd like to enjoy it. I'd be happier not doing this ultimately.
46:23 Speaker 02 It might've been a little more selfish than that. I'm pretty good at reality. I think the athletes were trained to like live in denial. We have numbers, like a very clear data set of your one, your two, your four, your six, your eight. I was able to do that math and then I was 12 or 15 or whatever it was. So it was going the wrong way. And then frankly, it was these monsters that came, these Novaks and Raffas and Rogers and my shoulder was not great. If I didn't have the carrot that I was chasing, that was a Grand Slam title.
46:49 Dax Shepard? Yes.
46:50 Speaker 02 I had a hard time reconciling because that was the goal the entire time.
46:54 Dax Shepard? Yes. So that's interesting.
46:55 Speaker 02 When I didn't believe in that goal, I wish that I could have had in that moment more enjoyment.
47:01 Dax Shepard? Of just being on the tour.
47:02 Speaker 02 Yeah. And it didn't work that way. It was pass fail. It was like misery. I was trying to out train everyone. You make up for what I lacked in ability. I often had these conversations with Brooke, my wife. I was like, I was jealous of some of the guys that were 20 or 25 in the world. That you would see a half hour after a loss and they were like happy.
47:20 Dax Shepard? Going out with their buddies.
47:21 Speaker 02 It's like, yeah, it wasn't my day. I didn't know if it was great that it didn't have that or great that I did. I didn't know. And so I struggled with that the last couple of years.
47:29 Speaker 01 Yeah, that makes sense. We were talking earlier about the difference between entertainment. Entertainment is subjective. Yes, the numbers.
47:35 Dax Shepard? The best shows aren't the biggest shows.
47:36 Speaker 01 Correct. The best shows that are really speaking to major themes, those are not seen by everyone. It's all very subjective. What we do, even though we're all in the podcast space, is very different from what Rogan's doing, from what Alex is doing. We can take pride in what we're doing. Sport is winning and losing.
47:56 Dax Shepard? It's like the only metric.
47:57 Speaker 01 I mean, it doesn't have to be. It could be this. It could be 10th in the world or 11th, but if you're a winner, as you are.
48:03 Speaker 02 Go ahead.
48:04 Speaker 01 And as am I.
48:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
48:07 Speaker 01 It's winning or nothing. I was a two-time state champ.
48:10 Dax Shepard? It's not a big deal, but it's a big deal.
48:11 Speaker 01 Everyone's heard it. They're so sick of it. We can't get into it anymore.
48:15 Dax Shepard? You're the only one that could probably get through it at this point.
48:17 Speaker 02 Fucking cold, Ash. Go on.
48:18 Speaker 01 But I do know that second is not an option when you're in it. And so if it's just like, yeah, we're fifth or sixth for this long, I could see being like, I'm done now.
48:29 Dax Shepard? There's also even a hiccup within there, which is there's like all this great science behind the curse of silver. So bronze people actually enjoy the Olympics.
48:36 Speaker 02 They go out on a winning note.
48:37 Dax Shepard? Now you got on the podium. Silver's like a death sentence. It's a rough one. Doesn't make any sense.
48:42 Speaker 02 I watched my friend Marty from the serving story earlier. We were on the same Olympic team. I was seeded two. I lost early. He made it to the finals, played another guy. Marty, I don't know what he was ranked at the time. He was probably like 30. It wasn't as if he was favored to get there.
48:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:58 Speaker 02 Plays another guy around that ranking and loses. I look back at the Olympics, I'm like, yeah, it was pretty fun. We were in the Olympic village and he's like, I fucking hate, I can't, it's hard.
49:05 Dax Shepard? Doesn't want to think about it. Yeah.
49:06 Speaker 02 So your point, that second place silver thing is, I think it's real.
49:09 Dax Shepard? The brain is so fucking feeble.
49:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, but you can be pragmatic. Like you can talk through it and understand basic math and you're like, that's better.
49:17 Speaker 01 Doesn't matter.
49:17 Dax Shepard? Yeah, but it hurts more. It's so bizarre.
49:19 Speaker 02 Not when you get into those mental gymnastics.
49:21 Dax Shepard? Okay, so you are one of only two tennis players to ever host SNL. That's pretty incredible.
49:27 Speaker 02 Yeah.
49:27 Dax Shepard? What was that experience like?
49:28 Speaker 02 It was great. I think Lorne Michaels just wanted me to hit with his son or his, that was pretty much it.
49:34 Dax Shepard? That would be enough for me.
49:34 Speaker 02 I think that was the entire thing. It was a weird moment in time where. Tennis crosses over. I don't know why that happened. I like uncomfortable things. I don't get freaked out by that thing. I'm like, oh, if you suck, it's kind of funny. No one expects anything from you. Their job is to not make you look terrible.
49:51 Dax Shepard? Right, right, right.
49:52 Speaker 02 And you have the most talented people on earth around you to do that.
49:54 Dax Shepard? Were you able to be present and have fun?
49:56 Speaker 02 Our world tour finals where I was one going into it, there were three guys in that tournament of the top eight. So getting number one's great. Being year end number one is more prestigious. So Federer was in second, Ferrero, who now is the coach of Alcaraz, was one of the guys also. So.
50:11 Dax Shepard? Was that the guy you had beaten in the US Open?
50:12 Speaker 02 Yes, exactly. So I was still training for that the next week. So I was in New York. I would train in the mornings till two and then I would go do all the rehearsals and everything until one or two in the morning and then landed and then had to play that. I enjoyed it. I wish it would have been two weeks later when my season was done.
50:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
50:26 Speaker 02 Because all I wanted to do was sit in that room and listen to them read the shitty bits, the good bits. I'm obsessed with comedians.
50:33 Dax Shepard? You want to go to the after party in the state of the end?
50:35 Speaker 02 I didn't. I was gone.
50:36 Speaker 01 That sucks.
50:36 Speaker 02 I had to play on Tuesday. That was Saturday, obviously, right there in the name. And then I had to leave. So I got into Houston at like 3 a.m. that morning. It was incredibly fun.
50:45 Dax Shepard? Poorly timed.
50:46 Speaker 02 It was amazing.
50:47 Dax Shepard? Who was the musical guest?
50:48 Speaker 02 Dave Matthews.
50:49 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
50:49 Dax Shepard? Who's your favorite?
50:50 Speaker 02 Yeah, and so he was, he was there. It was during his solo album.
50:53 Dax Shepard? Did you become bros with him over the years?
50:54 Speaker 02 We had known each other before that. My wife, if I say I'm a Dave fan, she's like, you're not a Dave fan. I'm a Dave fan. She will fight someone over. She's like, you'll see in 20 to 30 years, people will fully understand. I'm like, all right. It's like, I don't know. You look back and I'm sure you guys had the same thing. It was a crazy moment in time where crazy, fun, weird shit was happening all the time.
51:13 Dax Shepard? Oh, God, yeah.
51:14 Speaker 02 Right? Like, and then it calms down. And it was weird. I don't have the thing where I missed it when it wasn't happening.
51:19 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
51:19 Speaker 02 I appreciated it fully. I loved it. It was great. I was always happy to have the opportunities. I liked doing stuff that wasn't normal. So you talk about comfort zone. Being in that comfort zone is the worst.
51:28 Dax Shepard? You feel anxious.
51:29 Speaker 02 Kind of, yeah, a little bit. It was cool. It's like the best cast ever.
51:32 Dax Shepard? One other neat thing I think that I wrote about today that happened in your career was you had gone, I don't know what number it was, going to the finals at Wimbledon against Federer. Who, by the way, the fact that you had to face him three times in the final. There's gonna be a great movie at some point about that whole thing. It's just so incredible that you faced him three times there.
51:51 Speaker 02 You get to the top level and it's about matchups. So it just happens that this guy from Switzerland. Well, we talk about serve. Pace doesn't bother him. He sees the ball earlier. And he's able to accept it. It's like I say the greats, the racket is like an extension of their hand and the rest of us are grabbing the racket and then using it. It's very different.
52:10 Dax Shepard? And he's just reacting.
52:11 Speaker 02 I'm assuming it's the same as like if you're on the other side of a great actor and you're thinking about stuff and delivering stuff and they're just doing stuff.
52:17 Speaker 01 You're saying the rest of us as if you are not one?
52:21 Speaker 02 No, I'm not saying the rest of us.
52:22 Dax Shepard? There's a tiny margin between he and.
52:23 Speaker 02 I know, I know I could go down the street and like mop up.
52:27 Speaker 01 The park?
52:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, like I'm, I don't want to brag. I am one of the best players in my club. So I understand that, but as much of a difference is between me and someone who's 300, there's that much of a difference between the greats.
52:40 Speaker 01 Who are the top five?
52:42 Speaker 02 Well, you have to separate. Best three female players ever in my mind are, I have to make four. Chrissy Eber, Martina, Steffi and Serena. And I'm going to go back. I'm going to realize I didn't say someone and it's going to kill me.
52:51 Speaker 01 No, don't worry. Cause I made you do this very fast.
52:54 Speaker 02 Novak, Roger, Rafa. They ruined sports for everyone else because they were so good. Alcaraz has six slams already. That's like as many as icons of our sport and like, will he get to 24?
53:04 Dax Shepard? Yeah. How many did Agassi get?
53:05 Speaker 02 Eight. So like Makander had seven, Alcaraz has six at 21 or 22 years old. He's that great, but also the question is now, can he win 20?
53:14 Dax Shepard? Right, right, right.
53:15 Speaker 02 It's like the record before those guys was 14. The last Wimbledon final I played against Roger, that was when he broke the previous record was in that match. So Pete Sampras, who you don't see is a recluse, doesn't come to tournaments. Pete showed up for that match.
53:28 Dax Shepard? Cause that was his record.
53:29 Speaker 02 That was his record. So he showed up. So we're playing in front of him. I had known Pete because I played on tour with him. It's 15 and I think the next highest active player at that point, so that would have been 09, it probably would have been Rafa at like three or four. And it's like, there's no one going to be even close.
53:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
53:42 Speaker 02 And then the two of them didn't even finish. Then another guy comes and does it. It's just absurd. And then you throw Serena, what she did and it's all together. And it's just like, we're spoiled by greatness. Then you tend to like, look at someone who won. Four, or the commentators are disparaging someone who's 20 in the world during a live broadcast. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
54:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
54:03 Speaker 02 Tell a better story.
54:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
54:05 Dax Shepard? Yes. But that's the match, actually, that I'm referencing because something really cool happened, which is he wins, he sets this new record, the Brits go crazy, they're chanting fetter, fetter, fetter. And then there's a beat, and then they start chanting your name, which is like unconventional, which is radical. Like, I think everyone's like, fuck me, he played an incredible match. We respect this guy so much, even in second place. You also, in your interview after it made almost the entire focus on Pete Sampras for being there. The way people regarded your sportsmanship was so admirable. And then you got home to New York and you were in a Apple Store, like, three days later, and people were coming up
54:47 Dax Shepard? to you and being like, oh, it was a tough match. And you realize in that moment, it had really permeated. It had kind of transcended a bit.
54:54 Speaker 02 It changed everything. And I don't know that that happens if I win.
54:57 Dax Shepard? Right.
54:58 Speaker 02 I think it gets viewed very differently than if you kind of tragically lose. I was a kid who was hot-headed, threw stuff.
55:03 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yelled at people.
55:04 Speaker 02 Yeah. So you get judged. There's a hype mechanism that my natural ability probably doesn't support. After that match, maybe you feel a little more understood. And it's not conscious because you're reacting. All you're trying to do in a speech is try to get through without breaking down. We have the most psychopathic sport ever, where it's like the loser has to go up and address the crowd within 10 seconds of finishing.
55:25 Dax Shepard? It'd be graceful.
55:26 Speaker 02 Like, imagine going to a Super Bowl trophy ceremony and having a losing team come up and give a soliloquy before.
55:30 Speaker 01 Why is that?
55:31 Speaker 02 It's absurd. From my experience with that match, you're shattered. This is like the thing, I don't know if I'm going to get back. That was a place I hadn't been in a couple of years. It wasn't as if the other slam finals that I played and lost, I still thought I would be back there.
55:43 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah.
55:44 Speaker 02 This one, I'm playing it actively during the match. I don't know that.
55:47 Dax Shepard? And at Layer, people I don't think would naturally assume I had it, which is, it's not just about you. It feels like a very singular sport. It's just this person. But in fact, after that match, you're comforting your wife, who's very, very sad. You're comforting your coach who's crying?
56:04 Speaker 01 Oh, no.
56:04 Dax Shepard? I underestimated that aspect. It's like, you're not just carrying your dream up there. You're carrying a lot of the people around you.
56:11 Speaker 02 Well, you're also setting the tone for this point forward. But you come back to the States. I'm walking down the street in New York City and the crew fixing the pothole and us not being appreciative of them saving us time the next day. Or, you know, no one sees it when it's fixed.
56:25 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah.
56:25 Speaker 02 Right? They're going, Andy, tough one, man. Like, I'd never experienced that in my entire life.
56:28 Dax Shepard? I would imagine in that scenario, you can actually feel the love.
56:32 Speaker 02 Amazing. Never in my life had I felt that.
56:34 Speaker 01 Oh, that's nice.
56:35 Speaker 02 And then I pulled out of a couple tournaments. I wasn't ready to play. A month later, I showed up and we played a tour event in DC. Tuesday, you normally draw, I don't know, 7, 8,000 people and then you get to finals and it's full. First night, walk out and there's 16,000 people going nuts.
56:49 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
56:50 Speaker 02 Practices were different. It changed the entire thing forever, even to this day.
56:54 Speaker 01 Wow.
56:54 Speaker 02 Completely. You don't realize that without time, right?
56:57 Dax Shepard? They forced you to maybe accept the thing I was saying earlier, which is like, am I worthy of love if I'm not a champion? Oh, well, I am. That's nice.
57:05 Speaker 02 It was something completely unexpected.
57:07 Dax Shepard? Okay, so yeah, you're gone for 10 years. You didn't play really for 10 years after retirement.
57:11 Speaker 02 No, I would play like customer tennis where you get paid to go do this thing.
57:15 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
57:15 Speaker 01 Have you played with Bill Gates?
57:18 Speaker 02 I have not. No.
57:19 Dax Shepard? He's our rich friend, if you want us to connect.
57:21 Speaker 02 I haven't yet. But I didn't like play, play. If I went out, I stunk. I'm sure there's like an element of stand-up where you can know you weren't great.
57:28 Dax Shepard? Right, right, right.
57:29 Speaker 02 But maybe they don't know you weren't great type thing. But I didn't play. I never played at home for fun. I played transactionally completely for 10 years.
57:35 Dax Shepard? Got it. So what is the wake up where all of a sudden you get kind of back interested in it?
57:39 Speaker 02 I can't stop playing. No.
57:41 Dax Shepard? Oh, you can't stop playing? Really?
57:43 Speaker 01 Is it the same thing? You woke up one day and you're like, I'm ready again?
57:45 Speaker 02 No, body starts breaking down at a certain point. I basically have this thing. It's like, okay, I probably have however many years to be athletic. But then you go out and hit and the feedback is like, it actually makes sense. It's listening again. And you kind of get addicted in a great way. That feeling of, oh, I'm relearning this thing. I know how it's supposed to feel. Sometimes it feels that way.
58:03 Dax Shepard? Competency is euphoric.
58:05 Speaker 02 But there's no consequence.
58:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
58:07 Speaker 02 So I've never, ever in my life, this thing that I love, I've never lived it without consequence. And it's the best. Oh, man. I'm not nervous. I don't care. There's no pressure. I'm playing a bunch of dickheads. It's great.
58:19 Dax Shepard? You're playing for the right reason, which is the sensation of being competent.
58:24 Speaker 02 You don't go home to anyone who cares about how you did that day, but it's amazing. Yeah, that's great.
58:28 Dax Shepard? But then you start kind of tweeting prolifically about tennis. You're starting to get more in the national conversation about tennis as it is today. Ultimately, you start served your podcast. But what are the little steps before you start served?
58:42 Speaker 02 So I say this sensitively. I don't know that I would have gone back to kind of the front facing side of tennis had it not been for COVID.
58:49 Dax Shepard? Okay.
58:50 Speaker 02 Where it's like they have nothing live to show on tennis channel. And I remember I looked at the emails and it was like, oh, we should be through this in six weeks.
58:57 Dax Shepard? Six weeks to two years.
58:58 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? So basically it's setting precedent for working from home. Cause my whole thing was like, I don't want to sacrifice geography. I did 45 weeks a year. I'm never doing that again.
59:09 Dax Shepard? Had you already moved to North Carolina?
59:10 Speaker 02 Yes. So I start going on there just basically reading the phone book because the events aren't being played. Top 10 best places to play, you know, after a mimosa, whatever it is. So I'm on just doing that. And then they start regular programming. You basically get to the point where it's like, okay, Earth pays attention to tennis for like eight weeks a year. The four slams, it's a lot of runway for people that are like kind of nerdy about it.
59:30 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
59:30 Speaker 02 Right. And that's not being addressed. There's no place to consume a story on a Tuesday. And so it's like, there's no cost to it. I'm preaching to you about your business, but you can start something up. You don't need permission. You don't need someone to put you on. You can go for an hour or you can go for three hours. There's no rules.
59:44 Dax Shepard? You are self distributing and you do whatever you want to do.
59:46 Speaker 02 Basically, we just thought there was a lot of football field left and so we did that.
59:49 Dax Shepard? And you've done a lot of fun stuff with the show. A, you've interviewed a lot of really famous and interesting. How do you and Agassi get on? You had him on.
59:57 Speaker 02 He's my idol. He's my hero.
59:59 Dax Shepard? That incredible doc.
1:00:00 Speaker 02 Extremely flawed and he'll be the first to tell you why. Or how? Being around him when I was seventeen, it was a little freeing because fully aware of his flaws, but also capable of this greatness. And when you're fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, you're like, oh, the people that are that good, that successful for that long have to be perfect.
1:00:21 Speaker 01 Right.
1:00:22 Speaker 02 It was a great lesson. We're as close as we've ever been. And at some point in the last three or four years, when we've been around each other a bunch, it went from like, okay, I don't feel like a kid around him anymore. I don't feel like I'm the nine-year-old who is wearing all the unfortunate spandex with him.
1:00:35 Dax Shepard? And day glow orange and green.
1:00:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, and so we text all the time. He's a friend.
1:00:40 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:00:41 Speaker 02 He came on our show. Him sitting down, I mean, you get to experience it every week, but digging into people's psyche, their brains, and that was kind of the biggest one because I knew where to go.
1:00:51 Dax Shepard? Yeah, the reward of it, I think, is like, to have someone trust you is a very beautiful feeling.
1:00:56 Speaker 02 I know that I'm not as good as Andre, I'm not as good as Rafa, I'm not as good as all these people, but I understand the things they're describing.
1:01:02 Dax Shepard? Absolutely.
1:01:02 Speaker 02 Very well.
1:01:03 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:01:04 Speaker 02 Patterns and processes and how we view things differently. We could be remembering the same match and think about it completely differently.
1:01:11 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's fascinating.
1:01:12 Speaker 02 Both maybe be experts in our own way, but I'm like, why do you think that? It's amazing. It's like the biggest high ever.
1:01:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:18 Speaker 02 It's basically, I found a way to get paid to ask these people the questions that I want to ask them that I would never ask them in private.
1:01:25 Dax Shepard? Right, right, right, to nerd out.
1:01:26 Speaker 02 It's the best.
1:01:27 Dax Shepard? Yeah, I agree.
1:01:28 Speaker 02 You two have it figured out.
1:01:29 Dax Shepard? Did you see the doc about Agassi?
1:01:31 Speaker 01 What's the untold one?
1:01:33 Speaker 02 That was with Marty Fish.
1:01:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, and you were in that, right?
1:01:35 Speaker 02 Yes, so that's the guy who I served against, that the silver medal.
1:01:38 Speaker 01 We watched that together.
1:01:39 Dax Shepard? Is that the one where it talks about him dealing with his wig?
1:01:43 Speaker 02 That's Agassi. I don't know the doc, but his book open
1:01:46 Dax Shepard? Uh huh.
1:01:47 Speaker 02 is my favorite sports book of all time.
1:01:49 Dax Shepard? I gotta read that. I saw a great doc and he was incredibly honest. And again, there was some really, really important match. And you know, he's dealing with this secret he has that he's going bald and he's wearing, he wears a hairpiece and he has the bandana.
1:01:59 Speaker 02 Famous for like this big mule, jean shorts, like rebel, renegade. Back when the culture in the eighties was like, you dress in all white?
1:02:05 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:02:06 Speaker 02 He was like, fuck this. On its head, long hair, jean shorts to play matches in, insane.
1:02:12 Dax Shepard? He's like one of the first brands, you know, he was a brand and Something has gone wrong with the wig and the thing and he Oh no.
1:02:19 Speaker 02 He has it pinned on me. He can feel it like coming off.
1:02:23 Dax Shepard? So all this poor guy is thinking about during that match is that. And again, you talk about what was happening in the match, like that dude, until he tells that story, he's like, that guy has no idea what happened in that match. He's having this fucking complete collapse of identity.
1:02:38 Speaker 02 The other guy, he's giving himself credit. He's like, I have completely taken this guy out of his game. I am.
1:02:42 Dax Shepard? All this guy's thinking about is his hair.
1:02:44 Speaker 02 I am a strategic surgeon.
1:02:46 Dax Shepard? I had so much empathy for him and it's, everything's just so fucking human and you project onto these people like, well, he's Agassi. He feels 20 feet tall. No, we are all terribly insecure. We all don't think we're worthy of love. This is, we all have this fucking racket. Pun intended.
1:03:02 Speaker 02 You have to read his book. Your thing about not feeling like you're deserving of love. He opens the book with like, I hate tennis. And he's like, because it caused so much stress on my family. He goes, now I'm good at it. I respect it. I've now gotten to the point where.
1:03:16 Dax Shepard? He can have a relationship with it. That's.
1:03:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, but he's like.
1:03:18 Dax Shepard? Semi healthy.
1:03:18 Speaker 02 He goes, you can't tell me that I shouldn't hate it when you haven't lived through, the personal side wasn't worth the other side. You can't tell me how to gauge those things.
1:03:27 Dax Shepard? Yeah. He had some wild times out there in Nevada or wherever the fuck he was living. Yeah.
1:03:31 Speaker 02 His dad was an Iranian boxer who worked the door at Caesar's.
1:03:35 Dax Shepard? Okay, let's go.
1:03:38 Dax Shepard? Okay. So I know that one of your goals and missions, and you just stated it, which is there's a billion viewers throughout the year. And there's 29 million people that play this sport. And yet it's relatively very small on the television front. So people watch these four events. They watch the French Open, the Australian Open, Wimbledon and the US Open. So in your opinion, how do they better the experience for the fan? How do they get people interested in these non grand slam tournaments?
1:04:09 Speaker 02 I can go off on this in a million different directions. You can't have an 11 and a half month season and expect people to be committed when it's not in front of them. And in order to have a conversation that's. Realistic and in the right actual spirit of change. The tour runs independently from the ITF, which is in charge of the Protocols for the Olympics, which is in charge of drug testing, which is separate from the Grand Slams, which is separate from the team events, which is separate from the everyone fighting for those couple of weeks. So everyone agrees everything needs to be shorter. Everyone agrees these changes and no one is willing to give. And so then you bring in money from other parts of the world. Everyone's reacting to like, is that going to set off?
1:04:49 Dax Shepard? Is that what's happened? Are the Saudis entering this space as well?
1:04:51 Speaker 02 Yeah, they will. But it's just everyone lives in their own silo. The biggest properties, which are the slams, aren't in control or don't really care about how tennis is delivered throughout the year. So when ESPN comes in and buys only the slam rights, whoever's negotiating that deal doesn't sell them the Monday night game with two losing teams in December, that's a mistake. Right. So there have been a lot of mistakes where how ESPN doesn't cover the lead in events to the Grand Slams?
1:05:17 Dax Shepard? So they need collective bargaining so that they can lift the lower.
1:05:20 Speaker 02 There's no independent representation for the players. So what you asked is a loaded question with a million layers.
1:05:26 Dax Shepard? Right.
1:05:27 Speaker 02 Like you just scraped an onion.
1:05:30 Speaker 03 Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert if you dare.
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1:09:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, but the girls who get it, they get it.
1:09:03 Dax Shepard? Okay, but for those of us who are clearly not girls, walk me through it.
1:09:07 Speaker 01 Well, you know how much I love my Skims fleece joggers because the plush fleece is so soft. It's cozy. It's really comfortable without feeling too heavy. Well, I went to friend them and she would not stop talking about how comfy they were. She almost didn't give them back to me, which was upsetting, but I'm a girl's girl, so I let her have it.
1:09:24 Dax Shepard? Great, great, great.
1:09:25 Speaker 01 So the sleep sets are awesome because they are very soft and comfortable, but they're cute. If I'm in my sleep set, I feel fine about going down the street to pick up my food. I'm still looking cute, but I'm comfy and I'm cozy.
1:09:39 Dax Shepard? Roger.
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1:09:52 Dax Shepard? So a girl's girl is looking out for your friends with better loungewear. I get it. Am I one of your girls now?
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1:10:18 Dax Shepard? Here's what I think is really beautiful about the sport that I don't think is played up enough. It's kind of the most meritocracy Totally. sport there is.
1:10:28 Speaker 01 You think so?
1:10:29 Dax Shepard? A hundred percent because this weekend when F1 races, a guy on the Haas team, he can't beat Max. He doesn't have the car.
1:10:38 Speaker 01 Well, that one is specifically
1:10:41 Dax Shepard? But it, but it goes all the teams. You're on the Yankees. They have a bigger budget. They have more players. If you enter this tournament with the 260 people that enter, everyone has literally a shot to be the champion that weekend and that's so rare in any sport.
1:10:57 Speaker 02 People will tell me the tough losses, it's unfair. I'm like, it's the most fair.
1:11:01 Dax Shepard? It's the most
1:11:02 Speaker 02 You never walk off feeling like, maybe it was a bad call, but the scale of unfairness in tennis is tiny.
1:11:08 Dax Shepard? Compared to almost everything.
1:11:09 Speaker 02 You cannot make an argument for scale in tennis and it being unfair.
1:11:12 Dax Shepard? Yes.
1:11:13 Speaker 02 It's not unfair at scale.
1:11:14 Dax Shepard? I guess golf shares That as well.
1:11:16 Speaker 02 But that's even different. Like you can have course setups that are lucky. The PGA moves every year. If you catch a run of courses you like that fit your game.
1:11:23 Dax Shepard? Right. A tennis score is a tennis score, other than the surfaces.
1:11:25 Speaker 02 But the surfaces, they're not changing as much, right?
1:11:28 Speaker 01 Right, you know what they are.
1:11:29 Speaker 02 You know the cities are gonna be played in 10 years from now.
1:11:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:11:31 Speaker 02 Like it's just gonna be that way.
1:11:32 Speaker 01 What about who you're paired up with?
1:11:34 Speaker 02 But that's luck of the draw. It's like flipping a coin and being ahead two at the end of 10 flips. That'll even out.
1:11:39 Dax Shepard? And there's no manipulation in it. So the NFL.
1:11:42 Speaker 02 It's random.
1:11:42 Speaker 01 That's true.
1:11:43 Dax Shepard? The NFL is, was explained to us by the wonderful guys from Acquired. The goal of the NFL is that mid-season, every team's 500.
1:11:49 Speaker 02 With scheduling, you mean?
1:11:50 Dax Shepard? That in the middle of the season, every team would have a 500 record. Every great team at the beginning of the season plays all their hardest games. It's not just random and it's not luck of the draw. It is manipulated so that hopefully at the middle of the season, everyone has 500.
1:12:05 Speaker 02 And also it's just different because you all have a tough scheduled season where the people you play are 10 games above 500.
1:12:11 Dax Shepard? So that's like a really rad aspect of tennis.
1:12:13 Speaker 02 You're good enough or you're not good enough. There's no nepotism in tennis.
1:12:16 Dax Shepard? Right.
1:12:16 Speaker 01 Right.
1:12:17 Dax Shepard? There's no team spending. I mean, you could have better coaches, whatever, but.
1:12:20 Speaker 02 If you have federations, it's not nonexistent, but the narrative in tennis, like and how much it costs and all this. I don't know. You see all these other travel sports with kids and stuff and I'm going, I don't think that's true anymore. I think we're just being lazy about what was said during the 90s.
1:12:32 Speaker 01 Right, yeah.
1:12:33 Speaker 02 Kind of. I mean, you look at our icons. We talked about Agassi's father. You talk about Venus and Serena.
1:12:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:12:38 Speaker 02 You talk about Novak Djokovic from war-torn Serbia.
1:12:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, true. Yeah.
1:12:42 Speaker 02 And then you tell me that only.
1:12:43 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:12:45 Speaker 02 No, it's not. It's not it.
1:12:46 Speaker 01 Maybe gymnastics is comparable in that way. You're either good enough or you're not.
1:12:50 Speaker 02 And you don't need a full team to get to the highest level.
1:12:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:12:53 Dax Shepard? It's just a really rad part that I feel like they're not telling the story enough. They're not amping that up. You know, they're not doing the prelude to that. And this guy's on a run and he's only ranked this, but this could be his weekend. Building in the human drama of it.
1:13:05 Speaker 02 I've once had a, you know, like people who are really great at their job are able to take complex concepts and make them into like a soundbite.
1:13:11 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:13:11 Speaker 02 So I had a quick lunch with Al Michaels and I was going over to cover a match for BBC at Wimbledon. He goes, just whatever you do, don't tell me what's happening. Tell me why it's happening.
1:13:21 Dax Shepard? Ah, great.
1:13:22 Speaker 01 That's great.
1:13:23 Speaker 02 And it was like, very clear.
1:13:24 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:13:25 Speaker 02 My job's to tell you what the score is. Your job's to tell me why the score is what it is and what needs to change for it to change.
1:13:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:13:30 Speaker 02 To your point, I don't think we often, in tennis, which we try to do on our show, why is this happening? Why is it a difficult matchup? Why is it someone's good forehand, good backhand? No, the forehand in different spots and regions on the court, you can actually manipulate. It's not all the same.
1:13:44 Dax Shepard? This show, Match Point, that Box to Box does.
1:13:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's great.
1:13:47 Dax Shepard? That's great. Because again, it introduces you to the personalities. Why did it have to want to explode, drive to survive? These guys wear helmets. You can't root for a dude whose face you've never seen. You don't know his story. So it's like, that needs to get infused, obviously. But yeah, it is such a pure and wonderful sport.
1:14:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:14:01 Dax Shepard? The mental fuck of it, man. I don't know that there's a sport like it. The mental of that game is just insane.
1:14:08 Speaker 01 It's like chess.
1:14:09 Speaker 02 There's no other sport where you can't really talk to anyone.
1:14:12 Dax Shepard? It's just you.
1:14:14 Speaker 02 You're just there. I didn't know it was weird, and now I know it's weird.
1:14:17 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:14:18 Speaker 02 I sat up in the stands of the US Open last year and was just catching a match. And I'm like, just watching these two people go about their thing. Like, this is a weird sport.
1:14:26 Dax Shepard? We're watching almost like a very private thing.
1:14:28 Speaker 02 But even the locker rooms on the last day. So you get there day one, and it's a train station. People from the qualifying tournament, 128 main draw, double. There's hundreds of players in this locker room.
1:14:39 Dax Shepard? It's like the first day of college class.
1:14:40 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:14:40 Dax Shepard? Where everyone's dropping out.
1:14:41 Speaker 02 I can only assume that's the case. I don't know. I can't speak to experience, but then you walk in the last day, and it's just you and one other person.
1:14:48 Dax Shepard? Oh, that is so weird.
1:14:49 Speaker 02 So quiet.
1:14:50 Speaker 01 Oh, my God. It's like Squid Game.
1:14:51 Speaker 02 And it happens, it is. Every day you lose, you lose.
1:14:54 Speaker 01 People.
1:14:55 Speaker 02 Yeah. Every day you lose like a quarter of the draw.
1:14:56 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:14:57 Speaker 01 Whoa, yeah, that's such a mindset.
1:14:59 Dax Shepard? Just two people in a locker room. It's so weird.
1:15:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, that is weird. Like, you walk in, then you like walk past the person. It's like, hey.
1:15:09 Dax Shepard? Hey, this is stressful.
1:15:10 Speaker 01 So awkward.
1:15:11 Speaker 02 Have a good day. I mean, don't, I don't, I don't.
1:15:12 Speaker 01 I know, yeah. What do you say? Good luck, actually, no.
1:15:15 Speaker 02 Eat shit. Can't say that either.
1:15:17 Dax Shepard? One of the things people aren't loving about your show is that you're not afraid to take people to task.
1:15:21 Speaker 01 Ooh.
1:15:21 Dax Shepard? I do want you to just tell me, what's this situation with this billionaire Bill?
1:15:25 Speaker 02 Oh, no. That's what I thought you were talking about when you was like billionaire, you said, so. So Bill Ackman, one, he's funding a lawsuit against the A to B tours. Basically saying there aren't enough jobs and a bunch of other things and not a lot of people have signed up. They basically had this thing that they say they're a players' union, but the players haven't agreed to it.
1:15:43 Dax Shepard? Right.
1:15:44 Speaker 02 So I'm like, I don't know where that leaves us. So we had like a contentious with his CEO from that thing like a year ago on our show. So Bill is obviously brilliant at what he does. He's a brilliant investor. Polarizing, half the country likes what he says, half the country doesn't, fancies himself like a tennis player. It's like, I'm good. One thing I don't want to do is make someone into a cartoon because he's very serious, accomplished, great at what he does.
1:16:07 Dax Shepard? That's good.
1:16:08 Speaker 02 And takes a wild card into like a pro event and it was the Hall of Fame and I love the people at the Hall of Fame. Strongly disagreed with them on air, strongly disagree with them behind the scenes in every conversation I have. We've made our peace. I went to the induction last. We were great. And I said on the show, and I believe it, it was a minor league event.
1:16:22 Dax Shepard? Who's Jack Sock? That was his doubles partner.
1:16:24 Speaker 02 He's a guy who's won a couple of majors in doubles, was a good singles player, well-known.
1:16:28 Dax Shepard? He's a ringer.
1:16:29 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:16:30 Speaker 01 What's that mean? What do we mean?
1:16:32 Dax Shepard? Brought in with an unfair advantage.
1:16:35 Speaker 02 But not even because, no, but Jack doesn't even play. He's not even on tour anymore. It'd be like triple A baseball, great players striving to make a living, do their thing, break through. That's what we're talking about.
1:16:44 Dax Shepard? Yes.
1:16:45 Speaker 02 Bill Ackman decides he's gonna go play. It'd be like him going and saying like, I'm 60 years old. I'm a great pitcher. I'm gonna go pitch in a triple A baseball game.
1:16:51 Speaker 01 Right.
1:16:51 Speaker 02 And I think I can do it well. The other guys are playing, like the memes are incredible. One of them set to the Kirby enthusiasm theme song where it's like they're just hitting the ball back to him. And so I just went on and like I said, this is the biggest clown show I've ever seen in pro tennis.
1:17:07 Dax Shepard? It's shameful.
1:17:08 Speaker 02 You can't tell me people should have more jobs and then take one of the spots that week. Like it's just there are parts that I don't like. And if Bill wants to do it, Bill can do it. My personal belief and I'm gonna get texts from the Hall of Fame that I don't believe that the Hall of Fame should have allowed it. I think it's beneath the Hall of Fame. Your job is to preserve and celebrate greatness.
1:17:24 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:17:24 Speaker 02 This was not it.
1:17:25 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:17:25 Speaker 02 By a long shot.
1:17:26 Speaker 01 This was a stunt.
1:17:27 Speaker 02 I said what I said. I went in the studio hot.
1:17:31 Speaker 01 Good for you.
1:17:31 Speaker 02 I didn't talk about it again, but.
1:17:33 Dax Shepard? I thought it was very funny.
1:17:34 Speaker 02 It was a clown show.
1:17:35 Dax Shepard? Okay, very last thing. I just think it's funny that, or I like that Austin's such a home base for you. I was hell bent on moving to Austin. And then what I was also debating is like, or do I go to Asheville? And I love Asheville. We ended up in Nashville and I love that. But you have a place in the Blue Ridge.
1:17:53 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:17:53 Dax Shepard? So I'm going mid-October with my best friend from Detroit. We're gonna leave Nashville, ride motorcycles, be stationed in Nashville and then do rides.
1:18:01 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:18:01 Dax Shepard? Every day out of there. And just how lovely is the Blue Ridge?
1:18:04 Speaker 02 Blue Ridge Mountains is heaven. We don't have each other. Get it off. I'm gonna send you places you need to stop.
1:18:09 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:18:10 Speaker 02 Do the whole thing. It's magic. Honestly, there's no better thing than just like getting outside and feeling small.
1:18:14 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:18:15 Speaker 02 It's the best. We spent our summers up in this place and you look at like a bald-faced rock and our kids go and throw rocks. It streams all day.
1:18:22 Dax Shepard? I took my daughter when she was three, just the two of us went to Asheville. We went to Looking Glass Falls, Sliding Rock. And he always sat in a river for like seven hours and played. And I'm like, this place calls to me. This is special. So I don't know, in that way, I feel like we're long-lost brothers because we're being pulled to all the same places. Everybody listen to Served with Andy Roddick. You have the number one tennis podcast for a reason. I hope everyone checks it out. And this has been goddamn delightful.
1:18:45 Speaker 02 Yeah, I appreciate you guys. It's fun. I had to like check myself. I'm such a huge fan of the show. So I'm really happy to be on.
1:18:51 Dax Shepard? Thank you. All right. Be well.
1:18:52 Speaker 02 Cheers. Thank you.
1:18:55 Speaker 02 We hope you enjoyed this episode. Unfortunately, they made some host eggs.
1:19:03 Dax Shepard? I'm gonna tell you, this has lifted my spirits. I want to thank you.
1:19:06 Speaker 01 Oh, good.
1:19:07 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:19:08 Speaker 01 I'm happy about that.
1:19:09 Dax Shepard? Yeah. I entered feeling like I was dying.
1:19:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:19:14 Dax Shepard? And now I feel happy.
1:19:15 Speaker 01 Good. Conversation can do that.
1:19:19 Dax Shepard? Especially when it's revolving around Travis's penis.
1:19:23 Speaker 01 Oh, is that what did it?
1:19:26 Dax Shepard? No, it's just a lot of laughing and you said I had spray on my lip.
1:19:29 Speaker 01 Well.
1:19:30 Dax Shepard? Which I did, technically.
1:19:32 Speaker 01 You did.
1:19:33 Dax Shepard? Uh, nicotine spray, not.
1:19:35 Speaker 01 That's right.
1:19:35 Dax Shepard? Spray, spray.
1:19:36 Speaker 01 That's right. And not pee from your catheter.
1:19:38 Dax Shepard? Nope. Not orange. McDonald's orange.
1:19:41 Speaker 01 Did you?
1:19:42 Dax Shepard? Did I what?
1:19:45 Dax Shepard? Save some.
1:19:46 Speaker 01 Want to taste it?
1:19:47 Dax Shepard? Oh, Rob, will you put a picture up of the McDonald's orange drink? Just so we can check in with the color because I want you to know. Yeah, you see that?
1:19:57 Speaker 01 Wow. Yeah. And that's not orange soda? I think it's high C. High C.
1:20:03 Dax Shepard? It's more like a high C. I remember at a birthday party, you could get the big jug, that big McDonald's cooler.
1:20:08 Speaker 01 Right.
1:20:09 Dax Shepard? A dispenser and dump the powder in and then the water and then it was, you know, that was the orange drink.
1:20:15 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:20:16 Dax Shepard? So I don't think it was carbonated.
1:20:17 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:20:18 Dax Shepard? But they probably did have orange soda as well.
1:20:21 Speaker 01 In the fountain. We moved past.
1:20:22 Dax Shepard? Yeah, we're gonna move on.
1:20:23 Speaker 01 Well, no, no, no.
1:20:24 Dax Shepard? Ten fact check.
1:20:25 Speaker 01 I have one more question though.
1:20:26 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:20:27 Speaker 01 Because we did move past me being correct about the UTI.
1:20:32 Dax Shepard? Oh, uh huh.
1:20:33 Speaker 01 Um, because when you were in pain, I was like, it kind of sounds like a UTI. And sometimes some men do get them sometimes.
1:20:41 Dax Shepard? Sure.
1:20:42 Speaker 01 Um, were you like, I don't want a UTI. That's a women's thing.
1:20:47 Dax Shepard? Oh.
1:20:47 Speaker 01 Did you feel emasculated? A little bit?
1:20:50 Dax Shepard? No, um, which is not to say I couldn't.
1:20:54 Speaker 01 Sure.
1:20:54 Dax Shepard? But you know, all these things is like, what's the chain of events?
1:20:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, what?
1:20:59 Dax Shepard? Right? Like if you have an infection in your prostate and then that gets into your urethra, that then you have a UTI. Like, is it a UTI that then somehow infected my prostate or did I have prostatitis, which in fact? And I don't think we'll ever know. But because it's not obvious to me, I didn't go down the path of like, Jesus, how did I get a UTI? Fucked a guy and I didn't pee afterwards?
1:21:20 Speaker 01 Exactly.
1:21:21 Dax Shepard? Generally how the women I know in my life get it.
1:21:23 Speaker 01 Well, no, you can get it a lot of ways. You could have, it could have been, sorry, it could have been a wiping situation.
1:21:30 Dax Shepard? I don't want, you don't wipe your penis.
1:21:32 Speaker 01 I think you accidentally.
1:21:34 Dax Shepard? Oh, Jesus.
1:21:35 Speaker 01 Got some duty.
1:21:36 Dax Shepard? No, Monica.
1:21:37 Speaker 01 Okay, okay. I'm just, okay.
1:21:39 Dax Shepard? I did not. That's, that would be impossible.
1:21:41 Speaker 01 It'd be impossible. No, it's not impossible. You could have doodyed. As we talked about, you doody sometimes in the toilet.
1:21:47 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:21:48 Speaker 01 And then maybe just the penis hit it on really quickly. And.
1:21:52 Dax Shepard? Oh, it like bounced into the.
1:21:54 Speaker 01 Bowl and it touched just, just a very.
1:21:58 Dax Shepard? I still think, um, and this is why guys don't get it as much.
1:22:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:22:03 Dax Shepard? We have a lot bit longer distance between there and the bladder.
1:22:06 Speaker 01 Exactly.
1:22:07 Dax Shepard? Where you need the, the UTI to really take.
1:22:09 Speaker 01 That's right.
1:22:10 Dax Shepard? Fine purchase.
1:22:10 Speaker 01 And wiping is a. Different scenario, but that's why I don't think this was wiping.
1:22:13 Dax Shepard? I would have peed, you know, the, the, the odds of that in your hypothetical making its way all the way to my bladder are very low, which is why I think it's rare that guys get it.
1:22:24 Speaker 01 Right.
1:22:24 Dax Shepard? But people have got to be tired of my medical condition. So.
1:22:27 Speaker 01 Normally UTIs are first and then it starts spreading everywhere.
1:22:32 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:22:33 Speaker 01 And that's bad.
1:22:34 Dax Shepard? Okay. Well, the guy did say the prostate is hard to get medicine into and it's hard for infection to get out of it.
1:22:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:22:42 Dax Shepard? It's really.
1:22:43 Speaker 01 It's.
1:22:44 Dax Shepard? It's in its own little universe. Yeah, it's got like a nice, I guess, protective barrier.
1:22:51 Speaker 01 It lives on its own island, physically and emotionally.
1:22:54 Dax Shepard? I think people are up for a GLP one update. I've heard people ask like, hey, what's the updates? And then I certainly would like one.
1:23:02 Speaker 01 Okay. Well, we can do a mini update because we're probably gonna have Dr. Isaacson on a fact check coming up to talk about all of our blood results.
1:23:13 Dax Shepard? Oh, yeah, yeah.
1:23:14 Speaker 01 He says we both have interesting results and so I'm curious.
1:23:19 Dax Shepard? Oh, wow.
1:23:19 Speaker 01 What that will be.
1:23:20 Dax Shepard? Interesting is.
1:23:21 Speaker 01 When we first got our results after the first cognitive test and he did all the blood work and went through it all. Uh, he basically said I was a medical marvel.
1:23:29 Dax Shepard? Uh, okay.
1:23:30 Speaker 01 Um, I forget why.
1:23:33 Dax Shepard? Uh huh. It wasn't the, was it a good kind of medical marvel?
1:23:36 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:23:37 Dax Shepard? Oh, it was.
1:23:38 Speaker 01 It was like you, really unique stuff was happening.
1:23:42 Dax Shepard? I think anomaly might be a better word than marvel.
1:23:45 Speaker 01 I prefer medical marvel. And one thing, I don't remember if we talked about this back then, but they found randomly this one little like gene. One little elevation in numbers on this one little thing and no one would really look at it because who cares? But they looked and then they did a deep dive and that correlates to, uh, late onset epilepsy.
1:24:14 Dax Shepard? Whoa, really? Whoa.
1:24:17 Speaker 01 Isn't that crazy?
1:24:18 Dax Shepard? Wow. So in a world of where CRISPR is over the counter, do you think you get that gene edited out and you go off of your Capra and your?
1:24:26 Speaker 01 Wow, that's a great question because would I feel safe enough to go off of the medicine? Even if I knew the gene itself was cut out.
1:24:34 Dax Shepard? Because you got to remember in order, it's like you went on Capra and then you needed to go on antidepressants.
1:24:41 Dax Shepard? Or I shouldn't say needed.
1:24:43 Speaker 01 No, I did, I did need to, yeah.
1:24:44 Dax Shepard? And then you went on antidepressants.
1:24:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, but we have different, I think, well, look, Capra, uh, uh, Capra can be associated with depression.
1:24:55 Dax Shepard? Uh huh.
1:24:56 Speaker 01 But I believe deeply that that was, that just, again, it was, I had a seizure, I had to put on this medication, COVID.
1:25:08 Dax Shepard? Started right away.
1:25:09 Speaker 01 Started, it so much was happening that, that it just pushed me over the edge.
1:25:14 Dax Shepard? Yeah, hard to parse out.
1:25:15 Speaker 01 It's hard to parse out. I, knowing me, knowing my family history.
1:25:21 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:25:21 Speaker 01 I believe I needed antidepressants before that.
1:25:25 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:25:26 Speaker 01 And would have needed it regardless.
1:25:28 Dax Shepard? Uh huh.
1:25:29 Speaker 01 But who knows?
1:25:30 Dax Shepard? Who knows?
1:25:31 Speaker 01 Who knows? And I wonder if I would feel safe enough to get off of it.
1:25:37 Dax Shepard? Also, antidepressants often cause weight gain.
1:25:42 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
1:25:43 Dax Shepard? Right?
1:25:43 Speaker 01 They can, yes, they can.
1:25:45 Dax Shepard? And, and then there's a fourth thing in the mix that causes weight reduction.
1:25:50 Speaker 01 Uh huh.
1:25:50 Dax Shepard? You know, at least from my perspective, it does look like there could be a whole chain of events that starts with one thing.
1:25:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:25:57 Dax Shepard? It'd be interesting if you didn't have that one thing, what, where we're at with all the other stuff.
1:26:02 Speaker 01 I don't know.
1:26:03 Dax Shepard? I don't know either.
1:26:04 Speaker 01 I don't know. I, I know for sure that being on the TRIZ.
1:26:10 Dax Shepard? Mm hmm.
1:26:11 Speaker 01 Has not impacted my mood.
1:26:17 Dax Shepard? Mm hmm.
1:26:18 Speaker 01 For a while I was like, oh.
1:26:19 Dax Shepard? We call it there's appetite TRIZ.
1:26:20 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
1:26:21 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:26:22 Speaker 01 Um, like it, I think for a while I thought, oh, maybe there'll be a reduction in anxiety or depression. Cause I had heard that there might be some things there.
1:26:32 Dax Shepard? Sure.
1:26:32 Speaker 01 That is not the case.
1:26:33 Dax Shepard? But again, I think that's like, if one of your things is, you're in a constant shame spiral that you've eaten in a way that you don't want to eat, but you keep eating and this thing stops that, then of course it's going to impact depression.
1:26:44 Speaker 01 Right, that's true.
1:26:45 Dax Shepard? But you were not, you're not there. Yeah, that's not you.
1:26:47 Speaker 01 Yeah, correct.
1:26:48 Dax Shepard? You weren't like living in any shame spiral.
1:26:50 Speaker 01 I mean, the drinking was, that was, that's part of the mix. And that's been interesting to follow that whole journey. That was one of the main reasons I wanted to do it was to see my relationship with it. And at first, I did notice a change. I think what I said was I was drinking less, but
1:27:14 Dax Shepard? Frequency the same.
1:27:15 Speaker 01 Exactly. Amount is less.
1:27:17 Dax Shepard? But dosage lowered.
1:27:18 Speaker 01 And I think that's still correct.
1:27:20 Dax Shepard? Uh huh.
1:27:21 Speaker 01 I, I think for sure.
1:27:25 Speaker 01 I reached my capacity soon, earlier, but it's still, I still drink every day, basically. So that's been kind of a bummer.
1:27:37 Dax Shepard? A letdown.
1:27:38 Speaker 01 But part of that is like, it's mental, like there, there will be, and this is bad, but there will be times where I'm like, I'm not even, I'm not even in the mood to drink. Like, I don't really want to, but I'm here and, and I will.
1:27:50 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:27:51 Speaker 01 So that's.
1:27:53 Dax Shepard? Whatever.
1:27:54 Speaker 01 I don't know what that is. Habit, I guess, or just, oh, we're out, like, I might as well.
1:28:00 Dax Shepard? Look at Charlie Sheen, they, did you finish the doc?
1:28:02 Speaker 01 No.
1:28:03 Dax Shepard? The craziest thing is no one could get him off crack. They couldn't figure out how to get him off crack.
1:28:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:28:07 Dax Shepard? So they convinced his dealer, because his dealer loved him.
1:28:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:28:11 Dax Shepard? To start titrating, so because you make coke out of cocaine.
1:28:16 Speaker 01 Right.
1:28:17 Dax Shepard? I'm sorry, you make crack out of cocaine.
1:28:19 Speaker 01 Uh huh.
1:28:20 Dax Shepard? He could add however much baking soda he wanted to dilute it. And over the course of a year, he just reduced the crack to having almost no cocaine in it.
1:28:31 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:28:32 Dax Shepard? And eventually, and then Charlie's just thinking, well, I've reached the capacity, I can no longer get high, and he stopped.
1:28:39 Speaker 01 Really?
1:28:40 Dax Shepard? Yeah, he's just like, I don't know why the fuck I'm doing this, it doesn't do anything. And then he switched to drinking, then became a really bad alcoholic for a year or two. But they got him off of crack by tricking him and titrating him.
1:28:49 Speaker 01 Whoa.
1:28:50 Dax Shepard? So what's interesting is it's, you're at the point where it's like, you've kind of been titrated in a way that you're like, I don't even really want it.
1:28:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:28:58 Dax Shepard? But just the muscle memory and habit is like, but I'm gonna do it.
1:29:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:29:02 Dax Shepard? But it's interesting if someone could trick you the same way.
1:29:05 Speaker 01 Right.
1:29:06 Dax Shepard? And all of a sudden it had no alcohol.
1:29:07 Speaker 01 I think I would still do it.
1:29:09 Dax Shepard? Still do it, yeah.
1:29:12 Speaker 01 Like right now, I'm like.
1:29:14 Dax Shepard? I'm in. Sounds good.
1:29:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's, it's, it's weird. It's weird. I have noticed like, oh, I, I don't really. Okay, sure. I'll get a martini. Like, that's how it, that's, I'm not craving it, I guess, in the same way. So that is interesting. It's just so social.
1:29:31 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:29:32 Speaker 01 It's such, it's a good, it's not even that it's a good time. I mean, it is a good time, but it's.
1:29:38 Dax Shepard? What you do.
1:29:38 Speaker 01 Just what you do. It's something to have in your hand. It's something, I don't know. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm heading towards sobriety. Doesn't sound like it based on everything I just said. Yeah, but also, um, I have definitely lost weight.
1:29:54 Dax Shepard? Uh huh. We don't know how much.
1:29:56 Speaker 01 It was not the goal and I don't know how much because I don't weigh myself.
1:29:59 Dax Shepard? Well, what's interesting is, uh, does Dr. Isaacson did weigh us on intake, but we didn't get weighed at this.
1:30:05 Speaker 01 I know.
1:30:06 Dax Shepard? So I think we need to get weighed. He's gonna wanna know that. And I'm kinda dying to know what the difference is for you.
1:30:13 Speaker 01 I'm curious. I, um.
1:30:16 Dax Shepard? I think you've lost about sixty-five pounds. This is like, could be the biggest minefield ever to play a game of like, how much do you think I lost?
1:30:24 Speaker 01 I know. No.
1:30:25 Dax Shepard? Sixty, seventy pounds? I don't know. What do you think?
1:30:28 Speaker 01 There's a lot of traps in this, in this conversation because I, and like, I don't mean to like, trigger anyone. Um, I'll just, I can only talk about me and my body.
1:30:39 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:30:39 Speaker 01 I'm already, I'm small. I've always been small.
1:30:43 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:30:43 Speaker 01 So, cause somebody asked like, oh, have you had to go down in size on your, in, on your pants?
1:30:49 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:30:49 Speaker 01 Um, people are gonna hate me for saying this. No, because I already wore the smallest size.
1:30:55 Dax Shepard? Okay, right. There's nowhere else to go.
1:30:57 Speaker 01 So, yeah. So it's not like, oh.
1:30:59 Dax Shepard? Are you safety pinning any of your?
1:31:00 Speaker 01 So, yesterday, I put, I did put on a pair of pants and I was like. Oh, they like, they are about to fall off. So I am, you know, I've lost weight in a way that I don't want to lose more weight. I don't want that. Like, I, I, my pa- I saw my parents for, you know, my aunt. And my mom, first thing, my mom saw me and she said, you've lost a lot of weight. And I was like, no, I don't think so since summer. And she was like, yes, I think so. And then I went to the next room and saw my dad. At first thing he said.
1:31:38 Dax Shepard? Okay, but here's, okay, okay, there's a lot going on here. A, they're like, they're already dealing with something of sadness. So like, is she depressed? Is that the explanation for the weight loss?
1:31:48 Speaker 01 Oh, sure.
1:31:48 Dax Shepard? So that's an obvious fear.
1:31:50 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:31:50 Dax Shepard? But I'll add that when I go back to Mi- back, I used to go back to Michigan.
1:31:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:31:55 Dax Shepard? And people treated me like I had full-blown eight. They're like, why are you so thin? Like, totally concerned.
1:32:03 Speaker 01 Right.
1:32:04 Dax Shepard? And I was like, I just gotta acknowledge, like, the baseline of what way too thin is in LA is, is just way different.
1:32:10 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:32:12 Dax Shepard? And, and truthfully, I'm with like six of my friends growing up and they've all got that, you know, they're all hovering around 235 and they got a nice gut they've earned. And that is how you look. So when you don't have it, it looks crazy to them.
1:32:25 Speaker 01 It'd be one thing if it was the other family members who said that. But my parents do see me a fair, they saw me in the summer and they have, I, again, I've always been small. So it's not like they're like, why aren't you looking thicker? Like, I, I, I think to them, it was drastic.
1:32:49 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:32:49 Speaker 01 Whatever. That's whatever. The, the weight. Except, I will be honest, and Dr. Richard Isaacson is really not gonna like this. But it is the truth. I have lost a lot of muscle.
1:33:01 Dax Shepard? Oh, uh huh, uh huh, yeah.
1:33:02 Speaker 01 And that is bad. And I, the whole, I've been try, you know, trying to actively build bone density.
1:33:12 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:33:13 Speaker 01 Farmer's carries. I haven't done farmer's carries.
1:33:16 Dax Shepard? I'm afraid to ask you, but how much effort have you put into muscle retention?
1:33:19 Speaker 01 Because I, it, they're, now they're too heavy.
1:33:23 Dax Shepard? Shit.
1:33:23 Speaker 01 Okay, so now we're in a weird, now I don't really know what to do because I'm weaker.
1:33:30 Dax Shepard? Oh, boy.
1:33:36 Speaker 01 Definitely.
1:33:37 Dax Shepard? There is a new one, as you know, there's a new one that you're gonna be able to switch to very shortly that specifically prevents that muscle loss.
1:33:45 Speaker 01 Oh, really?
1:33:45 Dax Shepard? Yeah, there's a new one. I'm seeing different people on my feed talk about it.
1:33:50 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:33:51 Dax Shepard? And I guess it's close to being approved, but yeah. It's like a triple inhibitor.
1:33:57 Speaker 01 Oh, it's a GLP three?
1:33:58 Dax Shepard? Yeah, well, it's like some glutide plus this plus that and it and it um, it it does counter that that muscle loss issue that is quite prevalent.
1:34:10 Speaker 01 Okay, that's interesting.
1:34:12 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:34:13 Speaker 01 But it's hard because what I like about this GLP one is I do, I feel safe on it. Like, there's been, at this point, so many studies, you've had enough people on that have been like, it's pretty good.
1:34:25 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:34:25 Speaker 01 Um, so to do this other one feels a little more risky.
1:34:30 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:34:31 Speaker 01 I should probably just try to do more farmer's carries, but they're so heavy.
1:34:36 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:34:38 Dax Shepard? Oh, boy. I'm like starting to get nervous you're gonna fall down your apartment and just be like.
1:34:47 Speaker 01 I did, I will.
1:34:48 Dax Shepard? You shouldn't have lost your ability to carry those things you could carry two months ago.
1:34:52 Speaker 01 I know.
1:34:53 Dax Shepard? So quickly.
1:34:53 Speaker 01 But I was stronger.
1:34:55 Dax Shepard? Right, but you you you didn't, you needed to stick with it a little more, I think. I don't know how to say this, but you.
1:35:02 Speaker 01 They were heavy.
1:35:03 Dax Shepard? Yeah, but they wouldn't have been heavy if you kept, if you never stopped.
1:35:07 Speaker 01 I know, but I know, but then I was tired.
1:35:09 Dax Shepard? Like, if I don't squat for a month and a half, I'm not gonna be able to go squat 250 like my normal thing. I'm gonna have to drop down. But you can, within a couple of weeks, you can be back.
1:35:21 Speaker 01 I work my way back. I can.
1:35:23 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:35:25 Speaker 01 I have to start off with fives.
1:35:27 Dax Shepard? Whatever it takes. And then then next week you do 10.
1:35:31 Speaker 01 I do, I need to, I need to, I I am a little nervous about the lack of muscle.
1:35:36 Dax Shepard? But I want you to.
1:35:37 Speaker 01 I know. I'm aware of it. It's bad. That's the one thing, before I got on it, Dr. Richard Eisen was very clear that I needed to monitor the muscle and make sure I was, and I didn't do it.
1:35:48 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:35:48 Speaker 01 I didn't, I didn't do it.
1:35:50 Dax Shepard? Look, we're not. Perfect. Okay.
1:35:52 Speaker 01 I know that. I have to get back on that and I will. Um, I have been really tired and maybe I just have a bug. Uh, but there are these weird cycles where like you're eating less and so you have less energy and so you don't want to work out because you have less. Like that part's bad. I do need to break that cycle. Um, I have been going to bed at seven for the past couple nights. And sleeping till like
1:36:20 Dax Shepard? I have two, but I'm dying.
1:36:22 Speaker 01 I know. You're sick.
1:36:23 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:36:24 Speaker 01 Yeah. I have thought like, this isn't exactly right.
1:36:27 Dax Shepard? I'm a little concerned with these updates.
1:36:32 Dax Shepard? Going to bed at seven.
1:36:33 Speaker 01 It was weird.
1:36:35 Dax Shepard? Five pounds.
1:36:38 Dax Shepard? I weigh somewhere around 76 pounds and but I'm still drinking. The only thing I'm, the only thing.
1:36:46 Speaker 01 The only thing I've really committed to?
1:36:48 Dax Shepard? Cause I am, even I don't even want it, but I get through it.
1:36:52 Speaker 01 I force it down.
1:36:57 Speaker 03 Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert if you dare.
1:37:03 Dax Shepard? We get support from Instagram teen accounts. So we talk a lot on this show about how the world is different now than when we were growing up. And one of the biggest differences is obviously social media. And I think a lot of people wonder, okay, what's actually being done to make it safer for teenagers?
1:37:19 Speaker 01 Which is a fair question.
1:37:21 Dax Shepard? Yeah. So Instagram has got something called teen accounts and they come with automatic protections built in by default. So anyone between 13 and 17 is automatically placed into this experience. They get age appropriate content settings, contact limits, so that by default, only people they're already connected to can message them. And time management tools, daily time limit reminders, and also sleep mode that mutes notifications from 10:00 PM to 7:00 AM.
1:37:47 Speaker 01 Sleep mode is genius.
1:37:48 Dax Shepard? Right? And here's the thing, for anyone under 16, a parent has to give permission to change any of those settings to be less strict. The guardrails are on and Instagram keeps building new safety features to create age appropriate experiences for teens.
1:38:04 Speaker 01 I am really glad Instagram's helping to give parents peace of mind with teen accounts.
1:38:08 Dax Shepard? Learn more about teen accounts and Instagram's ongoing work to protect teens online at instagram.com/teenaccounts.
1:38:22 Speaker 01 Oh, no, but you know what?
1:38:24 Dax Shepard? I think you gotta try the Mel Robbins 54321 approach to this.
1:38:28 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:38:29 Dax Shepard? Which is her first book and she became wildly popular over it.
1:38:33 Speaker 01 Easter egg.
1:38:34 Dax Shepard? Well. Which is.
1:38:37 Speaker 01 When is it an Easter egg and when am I just telling people?
1:38:40 Dax Shepard? Well, it's, yeah, that's.
1:38:42 Speaker 01 That's the question.
1:38:43 Dax Shepard? It's too big of an Easter egg. If I say Mel Robbins and then you say Easter egg.
1:38:48 Dax Shepard? But her thing is you think of what you want to do.
1:38:53 Dax Shepard? And I want to get out of bed. And then you start thinking.
1:38:58 Speaker 01 Uh huh.
1:38:58 Dax Shepard? It's cold out there. I don't want to get out of bed. Soon as your brain starts. You're not going to get out of bed.
1:39:07 Speaker 01 Ah, huh.
1:39:08 Dax Shepard? But the second, if you can start training yourself, the second you have a thought like, I should do farm. You'll, you'll be sitting in your house, I should do some farmer carries and then immediately go five, four, three, two, one, and on one, stand up and do it.
1:39:21 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:39:22 Dax Shepard? Because you're interrupting that cycle of convincing yourself not to do the thing you know you have to do.
1:39:28 Speaker 01 I like that.
1:39:29 Dax Shepard? She's like, people are just waiting for motivation to hit them and it doesn't, that's not what happens. You have to interrupt. Uh, and, and this is a very well worn technique that works.
1:39:38 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:39:39 Dax Shepard? So I don't know, report back. Let's see. Try the 54321. The second you think of something, just immediately go five, four, three, two, one, and stand up and do it.
1:39:49 Speaker 01 Okay. So it'll be like, I don't really want a martini. Five, four, three, two, one. Shake, shake, shake, shake.
1:39:59 Dax Shepard? You're already doing it somehow with not wanting the martini and having that.
1:40:02 Speaker 01 This is good. That's helpful. That's good for my farmer's carries, but I gotta, the problem is you encouraged me when I was very strong.
1:40:11 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:40:11 Speaker 01 To do two 40s.
1:40:13 Dax Shepard? Uh huh.
1:40:14 Speaker 01 And I could do that.
1:40:15 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:40:15 Speaker 01 I bought those. Now I don't have the right equipment. I don't have like two 30s.
1:40:21 Dax Shepard? Right. But just, I think a standard farmer carry goal is your body weight.
1:40:26 Speaker 01 Right. Which I don't know what that is.
1:40:27 Dax Shepard? Well, you, you know, it's above 80 pounds.
1:40:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:40:30 Dax Shepard? So.
1:40:31 Speaker 01 But that's.
1:40:31 Dax Shepard? So listen, 80 is not too heavy for you. It's just, you're not going to be doing it as long as you want to.
1:40:37 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:40:37 Dax Shepard? But you gotta do it. You just do that weight and do it for however long you can count. And then next time you gotta do it one second longer.
1:40:45 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:40:46 Dax Shepard? All right.
1:40:46 Speaker 01 I'll try.
1:40:47 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:40:49 Speaker 01 I can't do it right now because we're in the, I can't do five, four.
1:40:51 Dax Shepard? Five, what if you just stood up and go five, four, and then you.
1:40:55 Speaker 01 Just left. Well, all right. I, I do. Okay. So those are the updates. Like, I guess they're mixed.
1:41:01 Dax Shepard? Yeah, it's mixed. Yeah.
1:41:02 Speaker 01 Um, and when we get our blood work, we'll know more.
1:41:06 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:41:06 Speaker 01 And I'm really, really curious about that. I'm very curious about my cholesterol.
1:41:10 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:41:11 Speaker 01 And even blood sugar and things like that.
1:41:14 Dax Shepard? Yeah, me too.
1:41:15 Speaker 01 So TBD on that.
1:41:18 Dax Shepard? TBDsle. Um, so for this motorcycle trip.
1:41:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:41:21 Dax Shepard? I'm gonna send you a picture, Rob. Can you put it on the screen? Sure, can. You want me to email it? Uh, yes, please. Okay.
1:41:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, you're going on a trip.
1:41:29 Dax Shepard? Yeah, this is so exciting. I'm so lucky and spoiled. I want to own this because if I was a dude listening to this, I'd be like, you know what? Fuck you. You have money. But I have great relationships with all these different motorcycle manufacturers.
1:41:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:41:41 Dax Shepard? I go to track events with them. I'll be in their videos, whatever. And so people loan me stuff.
1:41:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:41:48 Dax Shepard? Which is so awesome.
1:41:49 Speaker 01 Yeah. Sustainable.
1:41:50 Dax Shepard? Very sustainable. And I have a motorcycle down in Tennessee. Um, I have a gorgeous Moto Guzzi. I have not gotten the title yet to plate it. So it's like, I've got this great tour bike that I'm dying to ride on this motorcycle trip.
1:42:03 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:42:03 Dax Shepard? And I can't ride it because there's no plates.
1:42:05 Speaker 01 Oh, you're gonna let that stop you?
1:42:07 Dax Shepard? Well, I'm like, well, I wasn't going to.
1:42:10 Speaker 01 Uh huh.
1:42:11 Dax Shepard? I was like, okay, I'm gonna bring a plate from one of my other motorcycles and just slap it on there and then pray I don't get pulled over. Or if I get pulled over, the guy doesn't know the difference between a Moto Guzzi and a Ducati. Of course, I was gonna go the outlaw route. But then the responsible part was me was like, hey, you've got a couple of good relationships. Why don't you see if you can borrow a bike while you're down there? Also, a lot of these places are based in Atlanta. So it's like, not that far. So I was able to borrow two motorcycles for Aaron and I. Because also Aaron was gonna drive 600 miles on his motorcycle. He was gonna ride for basically 12 hours to my house and then get up in the morning and ride with me for 400 miles.
1:42:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:42:45 Dax Shepard? And he, and then he, at the last minute, he's like, I can't do it. I'm gonna rent a truck and I'm gonna put the motorcycle. And then I was like, oh, hold on, let me just see if I, and then you could fly in. It'd be so much easier. I got this super awesome Harley Pan America, which I, I had, I've never ridden and they've like, they've gone full gusto. It's super fast, crazy good brakes. I'm really excited. And then, and if anyone is into motorcycles, growing up, you're like, A Goldwing, that's like a grandpa's motorcycle.
1:43:14 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:43:14 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:43:15 Speaker 01 It's like catheter?
1:43:16 Dax Shepard? It's like a catheter. I don't want to say that because Honda is, they're loaning me.
1:43:19 Speaker 01 I love Honda.
1:43:20 Dax Shepard? Yes. So, growing up, you're like, oh yeah, that's, that's for old guys. So I hit Honda up. I'm like, hey, do you have anything in the fleet? And then my man said, I'm going to pitch you the Goldwing. Like for this kind of ride, I'm just going to consider the Goldwing. And I was like, you know what? I think I am up for a Goldwing.
1:43:40 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:43:40 Dax Shepard? So this is a big moment for me.
1:43:42 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:43:43 Dax Shepard? Okay, Rob, please show the picture. So the Goldwing arrived yesterday. Monica, look at this motorcycle. Look how big the backseat is. Go, Rob, zoom. First of all, it's a six cylinder motorcycle, which is bonkers, right?
1:43:55 Speaker 01 What is that?
1:43:55 Dax Shepard? Ducatis are like generally twins, two, two cylinders. Maximum four in line. This is a six cylinder. And this backseat, so I sent this picture to Aaron.
1:44:06 Speaker 01 Looks like a first class plane seat.
1:44:08 Dax Shepard? Absolutely. Even the, the rider's seat is incredible. And then you see the speakers built in? I've got like a huge sound system.
1:44:15 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:44:16 Dax Shepard? Aaron, I sent this picture to Aaron and immediately we both had the same thought. We were like, why are we going to bring two motorcycles?
1:44:23 Speaker 01 You guys are going to ride tandem?
1:44:25 Dax Shepard? Look at this thing. Isn't it begging for just the two of us to be on this motorcycle? Oh my God, look at that backseat.
1:44:32 Speaker 01 Where do you use, is the backseat where you sit?
1:44:34 Dax Shepard? No, you see that big backrest? That's the passenger. Then you look lower. That's where my butt goes. There's a little lip. I'll point.
1:44:42 Speaker 01 Oh. This is for the passenger. Oh my God. Yes. How can you see above?
1:44:49 Dax Shepard? I'm thinking, I think I'd rather be a passenger on this thing. With Aaron riding and me just sightseeing the fall colors?
1:44:59 Dax Shepard? Yeah. So I'm, I'm entering the Goldwing phase of my life.
1:45:02 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:45:03 Dax Shepard? I'm done being cool.
1:45:04 Speaker 01 You're ready for comfort.
1:45:06 Dax Shepard? Oh my God. I just, that thing looks so fucking comfortable. It might ride itself there.
1:45:10 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:45:11 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:45:12 Speaker 01 Oh my God.
1:45:13 Dax Shepard? All right. Just wanted to show you.
1:45:14 Speaker 01 That's going to be cute. You two on there together.
1:45:16 Dax Shepard? I mean, we're going to bring the second motorcycle, but who knows? We might do, you know, because we're going to do rides every day and come back to Asheville.
1:45:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:45:24 Dax Shepard? We might take a two up ride one of these days.
1:45:26 Speaker 01 Are you guys going to stay in a cute hotel?
1:45:28 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah. We got it. We got a cute little. No, the, the vacancy was now almost non-existent because, because people do go there for the colors. I realized because I searched everywhere and I was two months out when I booked this.
1:45:41 Speaker 01 Whoa.
1:45:42 Dax Shepard? And there was slim fucking pickings, but we're in a cool little boutique hotel downtown.
1:45:47 Speaker 01 Cute.
1:45:48 Dax Shepard? And then I hit up our sweet boy Luke Combs.
1:45:50 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
1:45:51 Dax Shepard? Asheville native.
1:45:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:45:52 Dax Shepard? I said, where should I eat? And he's like, boom, boom, boom. The ribs here are impossibly good.
1:45:57 Speaker 01 Yum.
1:45:58 Dax Shepard? Go here for fish. Not gonna happen, but whatever.
1:46:01 Speaker 01 You could try it.
1:46:02 Dax Shepard? Not gonna try it.
1:46:03 Speaker 01 You could enter that phase of your life, too.
1:46:05 Dax Shepard? I've tried it. Okay. Okay. Facts?
1:46:09 Speaker 01 Okay, facts.
1:46:10 Dax Shepard? Thanks for indulging my motorcycle. Sorry.
1:46:11 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's fun. I'm excited to hear. I hope you guys are careful. I have to say that.
1:46:16 Dax Shepard? Yeah, we will be.
1:46:17 Speaker 01 And I hope you have so much fun.
1:46:19 Dax Shepard? Thank you.
1:46:20 Speaker 01 Wow. Um, that was a fun one.
1:46:23 Dax Shepard? It was.
1:46:23 Speaker 01 And it's fun to have sports experts on, like athletes. I would guess they're called athletes.
1:46:28 Dax Shepard? He was also very mature, was my conclusion. I was like, I felt like we were peers, but I'm, I am nine years older than him.
1:46:34 Speaker 01 Oh, well, he's lived just such a big life.
1:46:37 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:46:38 Speaker 01 And he does have a very evolved perspective on it, I think.
1:46:42 Dax Shepard? I agree. Yeah.
1:46:43 Speaker 01 I enjoyed him a lot.
1:46:44 Dax Shepard? I felt, we felt contemporary, but we weren't.
1:46:47 Speaker 01 Well, at what age are you not like?
1:46:50 Dax Shepard? Well, just put it this way. I was graduating when he was in third grade.
1:46:53 Speaker 01 I know, but, but once you hit a certain age, when are you not contemporary?
1:46:59 Dax Shepard? It does diminish.
1:47:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:47:01 Dax Shepard? Like a 60 year old and a 50 year old are far different than a 10 year old and a 20 year old.
1:47:05 Speaker 01 Exactly. I think when you're over 40. Um, I think if you're 40 or above, you're all the same.
1:47:14 Dax Shepard? I saw a really comforting graph this morning. I think it was in the New York Times and it was, um, oh yeah, cause Harvard has done like a, a very, very long study on a lot, a lot of people about happiness. So all this data has come out of this, the happiness study at Harvard, I guess.
1:47:30 Speaker 01 Oh, and it's new?
1:47:31 Dax Shepard? I think I'm getting that right. Well, in that there's always gonna be updates, right? Cause they've been studying them long term. So I'm sure there was revelations midway through the study. And so like, one of the fun revelations is like the, uh, income achievement level of all the people in the study. There are many. Was not influenced whatsoever by whatsoever by their IQ. There's like no, no correlation.
1:47:55 Speaker 01 Interesting.
1:47:56 Dax Shepard? So I love that one.
1:47:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:47:57 Dax Shepard? It's like you thought you did shitty on IQ test, you didn't do good in school, doesn't mean shit.
1:48:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:48:02 Dax Shepard? As far as just at least that, but anyways, in this, this, this um chart I saw, there's a very predictable curve for everyone's happiness. And the lowest point across the board, men and women, is like fifty, fifty-three. And then it just starts going up and up and up and it gets as high as it'll ever get your happiness in your sixties.
1:48:21 Speaker 01 Really?
1:48:22 Dax Shepard? Well, that's great news. I just kind of lived through or I'm currently living through the worst time. How, I can't even imagine how happy I'm gonna be in ten years. I was, I really liked this graph.
1:48:32 Speaker 01 Weird. Makes sense for women, cause menopause, I wonder why men?
1:48:38 Dax Shepard? I think the stress of like, am I gonna make it? Can I support everyone? All that sits on your shoulder. You're getting a glimpse of like, you made it. You're gonna get across the finish line. Failure's off the table. You did it. You have a savings, you own your home, family's safe. I, I think a lot of the pressure that you put on yourself evaporates.
1:48:57 Speaker 01 Oh, you mean, oh, you're saying.
1:48:59 Dax Shepard? Professionally.
1:48:59 Speaker 01 No, yeah, I guess I meant, why is it so low?
1:49:03 Dax Shepard? In your fifties?
1:49:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:49:05 Dax Shepard? Well, I think it's that, uh, as we would say, that inflection point between, I had this identity, go build, go create.
1:49:12 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
1:49:13 Dax Shepard? Save, buy something, and then this little bit of a moment of like, and for what? Again, these are like, this is the broad arc of data, which is, most people in whatever their given profession is, generally, they hit their peak financial.
1:49:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:49:28 Dax Shepard? Effectiveness in their fifties. That's when people get paid, whatever your chosen occupation was, that is where, it doesn't happen in your thirties or forties, it gen- generally happens in your fifties, so.
1:49:38 Speaker 01 And maybe.
1:49:38 Dax Shepard? And then you're halfway through life, so you're depressed.
1:49:40 Speaker 01 That's what I was about to say. I bet maybe you're really like, age becomes very present when you turn fifty.
1:49:46 Dax Shepard? And I'm halfway done and all I did was work. I think most people are looking at this moment going, I'm so sick of working.
1:49:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:49:53 Dax Shepard? It didn't make me feel awesome. And, and I can't quit, cause I'm, they're finally paying me what I deserve and I gotta get paid this number. So they might be looking at like a ten-year out window before they're happy.
1:50:05 Speaker 01 They're waiting for social security, they are waiting a bit.
1:50:08 Dax Shepard? Or just your, yeah, standard retirement age.
1:50:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, which I think normally, I think sixty-five's, yeah. But yeah, so that's really interesting.
1:50:17 Dax Shepard? Yeah, so my, like happiest years are like ahead of me and yours too.
1:50:21 Speaker 01 That's great. My saddest years are ahead of me too. I don't love that.
1:50:26 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:50:26 Speaker 01 I don't love, that's not great.
1:50:29 Dax Shepard? That's not great.
1:50:30 Speaker 01 Okay. Um.
1:50:32 Dax Shepard? They're just slightly like, the graphs are slightly like, the low point's a little different for women than the men.
1:50:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:50:38 Dax Shepard? But in general, it's only off by a few years and it is the exact same curve, right? It's like, follows the same trajectory.
1:50:45 Speaker 01 Interesting. Also, part of it maybe is that on average, probably around that age, fifty, fifty-three, your kids are maybe leaving, not, not here, in this case, not in LA, but on average in the country, probably, that age, your kids might be heading out on their own.
1:51:04 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:51:05 Speaker 01 Um, that's depressing.
1:51:06 Dax Shepard? Just gotten through the teenage years, which can be hard.
1:51:09 Speaker 01 Exactly. Huh, very interesting.
1:51:11 Dax Shepard? Yeah. But all very, um, positive and optimistic.
1:51:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, great, okay. I can get through those three years.
1:51:19 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:51:20 Speaker 01 Who?
1:51:21 Dax Shepard? Who can't?
1:51:21 Speaker 01 What will I do? Okay. His brother went to Georgia. I just wanted to say, go dogs.
1:51:26 Dax Shepard? Yeah, go dogs.
1:51:28 Speaker 01 Go dogs.
1:51:28 Dax Shepard? Been a big dogs day here in the, uh, in the garage.
1:51:30 Speaker 01 That's a.
1:51:31 Dax Shepard? I don't like saying the garage. It doesn't have the same ring as attic.
1:51:34 Speaker 01 I say garage. We can't say attic.
1:51:36 Dax Shepard? Well, we can't say attic, so we're not in the attic. But I wish garage had the same, and it should, garage band, garage beer, there's a lot of cool garage.
1:51:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:51:45 Dax Shepard? But I don't know, I like.
1:51:47 Speaker 01 Well, the attic is very special.
1:51:48 Dax Shepard? Yeah, the, very few people have like an attic space that they've made a clubhouse out of, but a garage.
1:51:54 Speaker 01 Probably a lot of people have garage podcasts.
1:51:56 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah.
1:51:58 Speaker 01 Oh, but this is where we are.
1:52:00 Dax Shepard? We're in a garage, yeah.
1:52:01 Speaker 01 Now, you're probably upset about that because you're fifty, but I'm not.
1:52:04 Dax Shepard? Yeah, you haven't bottomed out yet. You're not at the nadir.
1:52:07 Speaker 01 That's right. Okay, his brother's name is John, in case anyone wants to look him up.
1:52:12 Dax Shepard? I wonder if his brother's as cute as him if he's single.
1:52:15 Speaker 01 Um, let's see. He coaches, he's a coach.
1:52:21 Dax Shepard? Hey, well, it's, most coaches are married, I think.
1:52:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think so too. It doesn't say on his Wikipedia.
1:52:29 Dax Shepard? I can text Andy and this.
1:52:30 Speaker 01 He's forty-nine.
1:52:31 Dax Shepard? Okay, I thought it was.
1:52:33 Speaker 01 He's about to be depressed.
1:52:35 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:52:36 Speaker 01 Shit.
1:52:36 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:52:37 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:52:37 Dax Shepard? Let me kick this down the road. You're, you're forty-eight and he's coming out the other side.
1:52:43 Speaker 01 What's the Happy Gilmore quote? He, he kinda like half said a Happy Gilmore quote. It's golf requires goofy pants and a fat ass.
1:52:54 Dax Shepard? Oh, I don't even know that quote.
1:52:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's from Happy Gilmore.
1:52:57 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:52:58 Speaker 01 Okay, yeah, so he had the record for the fastest serve. But now it's Sam Groff and that's 163.
1:53:09 Dax Shepard? No, 116.3.
1:53:10 Speaker 01 No, 163. He was 155.
1:53:12 Dax Shepard? Oh, oh my God, it's at 163 now? You're right. I, he had maybe thrown by someone at 156, but now it's jumped to 163?
1:53:20 Speaker 01 Yeah. Was at a Challenger event, Challengers. I love that movie.
1:53:24 Dax Shepard? Yeah, threesomes.
1:53:26 Speaker 01 I love that movie.
1:53:28 Dax Shepard? Really hope you have a threesome one day with a couple of like real dream boats.
1:53:32 Speaker 01 Me too.
1:53:33 Dax Shepard? Yeah, sounds so fun. Like a four hands massage.
1:53:36 Speaker 01 I mean, the threesome thing is just so interesting because again, it, it has to be so specific. It, it, for me, has to be two men.
1:53:46 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:53:46 Speaker 01 I find extremely attractive.
1:53:48 Dax Shepard? Yes.
1:53:49 Speaker 01 And, um.
1:53:50 Dax Shepard? But again, what I have found in my own experiments, you'll like one more than the other. And then, and then you're like, I kinda just wish I was with this one.
1:53:59 Speaker 01 Well, then why do you want this for me?
1:54:01 Dax Shepard? Well, I still want it for you. It'd be fun.
1:54:03 Speaker 01 It sounds like a lot of anxiety.
1:54:08 Speaker 01 Well, maybe hopefully, best case, like they're good at different things.
1:54:12 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:54:13 Speaker 01 So then, it's very titillating.
1:54:17 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
1:54:17 Speaker 01 Okay, Honeydew, he said, is a chambrord, lemonade, gray goose sprite. He pretty, I think he pretty much nailed it.
1:54:26 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:54:27 Speaker 01 It is gray goose, lemonade, raspberry liqueurs, such a chambrord. Honeydew melon balls. This doesn't say sprite, but he's probably right. He knows his tennis.
1:54:38 Dax Shepard? He seemed to know his shape, yeah.
1:54:39 Speaker 01 Yeah. Um, I'm really excited.
1:54:41 Dax Shepard? And you'll be seeing him next year at it.
1:54:42 Speaker 01 I'm excited to one day have this. Do you know why it's called Honeydew? Could you guess?
1:54:48 Dax Shepard? I mean, deuce is part of tennis.
1:54:49 Speaker 01 Yeah, good job.
1:54:50 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah.
1:54:52 Speaker 01 It's a tennis term for a tied score of 40-40. That sounds like something that would come up in my minis.
1:54:57 Dax Shepard? I've only heard deuce, I've never heard anyone call it honeydews, but that's great.
1:55:00 Speaker 01 Oh no, honey, cuz the honeydew melon.
1:55:02 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:55:03 Speaker 01 Okay, he said Mayor Dinkins changed the flight pattern so it wouldn't fly over the US Open. I thought that was so interesting for some reason.
1:55:09 Dax Shepard? Yeah, yeah.
1:55:10 Speaker 01 Um, and...
1:55:11 Dax Shepard? Priorities.
1:55:12 Speaker 01 Um, is, that's so crazy, but it makes sense. Um, and, and yeah, he did it. Uh, changed the flight pattern of planes over the US Open in 1990 by negotiating with the Federal Aviation Administration, FAA, to reroute takeoffs from LaGuardia Airport to avoid the noise over Flushing Meadows Corona Park.
1:55:32 Dax Shepard? Just on that day, I assume.
1:55:33 Speaker 01 Yeah. In exchange, the city agreed to pay the US Tennis Association up to $325,000 annually for excessive flyovers that occurred during the tournament.
1:55:43 Dax Shepard? That's weird, they built in a penalty? It was like a favor, and then on top of it, I'm gonna penalize you if you violate it?
1:55:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's weird.
1:55:50 Dax Shepard? Yeah. Good for them, they had a good negotiator.
1:55:53 Speaker 01 Okay. Sil- silver being worse than bronze. Um, the silver medal complex, also known as silver medal syndrome. A psychological phenomenon where second-place finishers, silver medalists, often appear less happy than third-place bronze medalists because they engage in upward counterfactual thinking, focusing on what they could have done to achieve the first place rather than appreciating their accomplishment. In contrast, bronze medalists tend to focus on the alternative of finishing in fourth place or not receiving a medal at all, leading to a greater satisfaction with their outcome.
1:56:27 Dax Shepard? Yeah. So if your friend says I have SMS, don't think like, yeah, we all have SMS texting. Think they have silver medal syndrome.
1:56:36 Speaker 01 And then you can ask if they have SAD.
1:56:38 Dax Shepard? Seasonal affected disorder.
1:56:39 Speaker 01 That's right.
1:56:41 Dax Shepard? And then you can ask if they have UTI, urinary tract infection.
1:56:45 Speaker 01 And you should ask, because they might be struggling, like you are. Okay, I looked up the most expensive sports, cuz we started talking about how tennis is a lot of, there's a lot of meritocracy. We feel like it's pretty meritocratized.
1:56:58 Dax Shepard? Meritocratic?
1:56:59 Speaker 01 I like meritocratized.
1:57:01 Dax Shepard? Okay, it's nice, yeah, like democratized.
1:57:04 Speaker 01 Yeah. To participate at the highest levels, Formula One racing, equestrian sports, polo, and competitive sailing are among the most expensive sports in the world.
1:57:13 Dax Shepard? Yeah, those have some pretty... Devastating built in costs.
1:57:18 Speaker 01 Exactly. These sports require massive investments in elite equipment, maintenance, logistics, and skilled personnel. Oh, also, high cost youth sports, ice hockey. Says the average annual cost of $2,583 per child.
1:57:33 Dax Shepard? Ice hockey is rough because you gotta get ice time at places throughout the year when you're not by a frozen lake or if you live in any state without frozen lakes. Yeah, so ice time becomes really pricey.
1:57:44 Speaker 01 And then field hockey, ice hockey, those are youth. Now, this, it says elite level individual sports, golf.
1:57:52 Dax Shepard? Is most expensive?
1:57:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, it says high end clubs can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars for a membership. Professional players pay for equipment, caddies, coaches, travel, and tournament fees which can exceed one million per year.
1:58:04 Dax Shepard? One million per annum.
1:58:05 Speaker 01 What's that mean?
1:58:07 Dax Shepard? A year.
1:58:08 Speaker 01 Per atom?
1:58:09 Dax Shepard? Per annum.
1:58:10 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
1:58:11 Dax Shepard? Don't you like, it's a gentle way to say.
1:58:12 Speaker 01 That was cool.
1:58:13 Dax Shepard? Yeah, per annum.
1:58:14 Speaker 01 Uh, skiing is also on here, and boxing.
1:58:19 Dax Shepard? Is, is affordable ones?
1:58:20 Speaker 01 No, those are high.
1:58:22 Dax Shepard? Okay.
1:58:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, those are high.
1:58:23 Dax Shepard? They don't have boxing rings on every corner in the city, but they do have parks.
1:58:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, training camps, sparring partners, and specialized coaching and nutrition.
1:58:32 Dax Shepard? Nutrition.
1:58:33 Speaker 01 Yeah. Well, that's interesting. Let me see, I think I got them all, but let me just double check.
1:58:39 Dax Shepard? That's everything.
1:58:40 Speaker 01 That's everything for Andrew Roddick.
1:58:42 Dax Shepard? We love him, we were charmed.
1:58:43 Speaker 01 Very charmed. Charmed, I'm sure. What is charmed, I'm sure?
1:58:49 Dax Shepard? Charmed, I'm sure.
1:58:51 Speaker 01 I don't get it.
1:58:52 Dax Shepard? It sounds like a sarcastic way to say you're charming.
1:58:55 Speaker 01 Is it like, okay, if, if you're talking to me and we're shaking hands, who says it? Like, who's charmed?
1:59:02 Dax Shepard? Yeah. I feel like I would have, I'd say it like, they were charmed, I'm sure.
1:59:09 Speaker 01 Of you? By you?
1:59:11 Dax Shepard? Yeah, like, you're telling me, oh, and then I met so and so, charmed, I'm sure. They were? I don't know.
1:59:16 Speaker 01 I know, but normally it happens, I feel like, in a greeting. Like, in the old times. They would like greet each other and say, charmed, I'm sure. So are they talking about themselves? Like, I just charmed you, I'm sure?
1:59:27 Dax Shepard? No, no. I think they're sure that they've been charmed by their guest.
1:59:31 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:59:32 Dax Shepard? They're sure of it.
1:59:33 Speaker 01 It's bad grammar.
1:59:33 Dax Shepard? They're like, let me check in, yeah, I feel charmed.
1:59:37 Dax Shepard? I think that we owe it to everyone at the end of this ride to compile our 50 sexiest male guests.
1:59:47 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:59:48 Dax Shepard? And I'm just saying that Andy's definitely on the list.
1:59:51 Speaker 01 50 feels like
1:59:53 Dax Shepard? Too many?
1:59:53 Speaker 01 Yeah. You're the one that always wants me to reduce the list.
1:59:57 Dax Shepard? But there'll be at that point, there'll be thou- there'll be over, you know, like 1,200 guests. To do 10 would be one percent, half a percent. Okay.
2:00:08 Speaker 01 You're telling me-
2:00:09 Dax Shepard? What do you want to keep it to? 1%?
2:00:10 Speaker 01 Well-
2:00:11 Dax Shepard? I could agree to that.
2:00:12 Speaker 01 It's either gonna be 10 or 100, cuz you don't let me do hundreds and you only let me do 10s.
2:00:20 Dax Shepard? Okay, then it's gonna be the top 10 sexiest. He's still on the list.
2:00:25 Speaker 01 Wow.
2:00:26 Dax Shepard? But man, you think of Carmelo Anthony, your pants exploded. You think of like- Brad Pitt? Brad Pitt, you think of-
2:00:33 Speaker 01 Matty?
2:00:34 Dax Shepard? Yeah, there's a fuck-
2:00:35 Speaker 01 There's a lot.
2:00:36 Dax Shepard? We've had some thoroughbreds trot through here.
2:00:38 Speaker 01 Alexander Skarsgård.
2:00:39 Dax Shepard? Oh, boy.
2:00:40 Speaker 01 Dwyane Wade. Did you know I learned in my aunt's memorial, Kama Sutra, Kama-
2:00:48 Dax Shepard? K U M A.
2:00:49 Speaker 01 Means, um, fun.
2:00:53 Dax Shepard? Oh, sure.
2:00:54 Speaker 01 It means fun, like full of life. And now that makes sense, Kama Sutra, like fun sex.
2:00:59 Dax Shepard? Sexual fun.
2:01:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:01:00 Dax Shepard? Yeah.
2:01:01 Speaker 01 I learned a lot.
2:01:01 Dax Shepard? My favorite type of fun.
2:01:03 Speaker 01 All right.
2:01:03 Dax Shepard? All right, love you.
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