Japan’s Defense Minister: “We Can’t Rule Out ALIENS!”

Our American Alchemists this week are current and former Japanese government officials and lawmakers including: Yasukazu Hamada, former Japanese Defense Minister and chairman of Japan's parliamentary UAP caucus Yoshiharu Asakawa, former Congressman and founding organizer of the caucus Teruo Minobe, sitting member of Japan's House of Representatives Atsushi Hayasaka, former Congressman Chiaki Hayasaka, Sendai City Council member --------------------- You can support American Alchemy by signing up with our incredible sponsors below! Dose: Support your liver health with Dose! Get 35% off your first subscription at https://dosedaily.co/JESSE or use code JESSE at checkout. Ridge: One thing to pack, five ways to power! Get 10% off @Ridge with code COSMIC at https://www. Ridge.com/COSMIC #Ridgepod #ad Grab your American Alchemy merchandise here! https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ --------------------- Japan's UFO investigation is reaching the highest levels of government, and these politicians are speaking openly about what they've discovered. Hamada explains why non-human intelligence deserves serious consideration, while Asakawa and Minobe discuss mysterious objects over Japanese nuclear facilities, government transparency, and the push for official UAP reporting. Jesse also investigates the famous Japan Airlines Flight 1628 encounter, the Lockheed scandal, and America's influence over Japanese intelligence and UFO disclosure. Meanwhile, Hayasaka recounts a terrifying encounter that he believes may have left an unexplained implant behind his ear, while his wife, Sendai City Council member Chiaki Hayasaka, shares her own childhood UFO sighting. GUEST PROJECTS & RESOURCES Japan's Parliamentary UAP Caucus: https://www.asakawayoshiharu.com/?page_id=2109 Yasukazu Hamada — Official Website: https://office-hamada.jp/ Follow Yoshiharu Asakawa on X: https://x.com/asakawayosiharu Teruo Minobe — Official Website: https://www.minobe-teruo.com/ Follow Teruo Minobe on X: https://x.com/minobeteruo Follow Atsushi Hayasaka on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rebirth0311/ Follow Chiaki Hayasaka on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100089671817465 --------------------- Support Our Other Projects Below! Grab Your American Alchemy Merch Here ➤ https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ Join The American Alchemy Magazine Here ➤ https://americanalchemymagazine.substack.com/ Subscribe To Our Clips Channel (10 Minute Highlights!) ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@UC8ZKTXN9trt5dhixz6b6l6w Instagram ➤ https://www.instagram.com/jessemichelsofficial TikTok ➤ https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjessemichels X ➤ https://twitter.com/AlchemyAmerican Spotify ➤ https://tinyurl.com/jessemichelsspotify Clips Channel ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@jessemichelsclips Apply For Jobs ➤ https://jobs.gusto.com/boards/american-alchemy-3758eda5-237b-45f1-b043-da80a300714e Sponsor Inquiries ➤ [email protected] Media Inquiries ➤ [email protected] --------------------- TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 3:20 Former Defense Minister Yasukazu Hamada 6:51 The Genkai Nuclear Plant Incident 10:26 UFOs and Nuclear Sites 11:48 Yoshiharu Asakawa, the "UFO Politician" 14:02 Japan Airlines Flight 1628 17:58 Is Japan Under American Control? 19:36 Japan as a UAP Hotspot 21:02 Trump's Disclosure Push Reaches Japan 22:36 Black Cube UFOs and the Tesseract 25:56 SPONSORS 29:25 The Ministry of Defense Document 32:51 Lockheed, Kissinger and Malmgren 39:52 The Wildest Witness Stories 41:15 The Hayasakas: Encounter and Implant 49:23 UFOs and Japan's Sacred Sites 53:13 Asakawa and Mount Fuji 57:03 Closing Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:15Jesse Michels?

  In today's episode of American Alchemy, we make history yet again by interviewing our second Defense Minister to take UFOs seriously on record. Yasu Kazu Hamada, one of the most important Defense Ministers in Japanese history. He admits that aliens visiting Earth is a viable hypothesis to explain consistent UFO activity around the world.

• 0:41Speaker 02

  We should also consider it a strong hypothesis and take it seriously, I believe.

• 0:49Jesse Michels?

  We also speak to former Congressman Yoshiharu Asakawa, who helped form Japan's UAP Caucus, has had multiple UFO experiences himself that he goes into detail here.

• 1:01Speaker 03

  The light, rather than shining, it was more like a bright, like a really bright cloud.

• 1:12Jesse Michels?

  And he's become a lighthouse for witnesses and experiencers across Japan. One of those witnesses says that they can regularly call in UFOs like you would call an Uber.

• 1:23Speaker 03

  They possess their own personal UFO, which they can board whenever they desire.

• 1:29Jesse Michels?

  And then we speak to Teruo Minobi, a sitting congressman and the current Secretary General of the UAP Caucus.

• 1:36Speaker 04

  Over at the Genkai Nuclear Plant in Kyushu, an unidentified flying object showed up. And really, getting to the bottom of it all actually ties directly into Japan's national security.

• 1:48Jesse Michels?

  We also hear from Takashi Endo, a direct advisor to Japan's Prime Minister. We still don't know whether this was deliberately covered up. And finally, there's Atsushi Hayasaka, another former congressman who believes that he may have been left with an implant behind his ear after an encounter with unknown beings. She pointed out that I had a mark right behind my ear, and I went to have an X-ray taken. They told me that there was a dark shadow visible in that area. It was somewhat square in its shape. Square.

• 2:22Jesse Michels?

  You heard me right. This episode starts with an unprecedented testimony around UFOs from the most important Defense Minister in living history, and it ends with a Japanese politician who thinks that he may be carrying a physical artifact from a possible alien abduction. Along the way, we cover shape-shifting black cube UFOs.

• 2:43Speaker 03

  I saw four distinct cube-shaped masses fused together.

• 2:47Jesse Michels?

  Nuclear accidents, and an alleged CIA plot to bring down a Japanese Prime Minister. It almost feels like you're being guided by non-human intelligence yourself.

• 2:59Jesse Michels?

  So come learn about Japan's long relationship with UFOs and the brave politicians chasing them with this week's distinguished Japanese alchemists.

• 3:13Jesse Michels?

  Aggression 315.

• 3:17Jesse Michels?

  How is this possible? Nothing to worry about that.

• 3:23Jesse Michels?

  Their existence cannot longer be denied.

• 3:35Jesse Michels?

  It's an honor to be with the former Defense Minister, Hamada-san, who is the first Defense Minister to publicly discuss UAPs in front of parliament, but also in front of the nation. Thank you so much for being here today.

• 3:50Speaker 02

  I'm really happy to have this opportunity. Please do.

• 3:55Jesse Michels?

  You have really helped spearhead the Japanese UAP Caucus. What are the primary intentions and goals of the organization?

• 4:03Speaker 02

  I didn't make a clear statement about UAPs. The possibility of new weapons or the possibility of meteoric events. However, despite the fact that the US has rejected the possibility of non-humanity, we should consider it as a powerful hypothesis and take it seriously.

• 4:38Jesse Michels?

  For Hamada, Japanese preparedness and security is paramount. In 2022, as Defense Minister, Hamada broke with a posture Japan had held since the end of World War II. You see, after the war, America essentially wrote Japan's constitution, one that renounced all conflict and stationed American troops on its soil that are still there today. For decades, defense spending was capped at 1% of GDP. No offensive weapons were allowed, no ability to strike in enemy's territory ever. Hamada ended that. He oversaw the biggest transformation of Japanese defense policy since 1945,

• 5:21Jesse Michels?

  a new national security strategy naming China as an unprecedented strategic challenge, a commitment to double defense spending, and for the first time in the post-war era, counter-strike capability.

• 5:36Jesse Michels?

  This is arguably the most consequential defense official in modern Japanese history, a man whose entire career has been about identifying real threats and building institutions to meet them. And of everything he could be doing with his standing and his remaining political capital, he chose to chair the UAP Caucus. People like Hamada don't do that for fun. They do it when they've concluded something is there. You mentioned that you personally have never seen a UAP. Do you know anybody who's seen UAP?

• 6:12Speaker 02

  I've never seen one. But I've seen it at different locations. Someone who's known of it, maybe. I don't know why I'm wandering around. If I did, I'd be able to explain it. But I haven't experienced it myself, which is a shame.

• 6:41Jesse Michels?

  Did you catch the word he used when I asked if he'd ever seen a UFO himself? He said that unfortunately, he never has. Unfortunately, which I thought was an interesting way to put it, as if his aspiration was to see one. He did tell me that many people have brought him their accounts over the years. And there's one recent case that kept coming up in my conversations in Japan. In 2025, something very strange and interesting happened at the Genkai Nuclear Power Plant, and it was basically the first documented and recorded UAP occurrence in Japan. What happened there? Here's exactly what happened.

• 7:26Jesse Michels?

  It's just past 9 o'clock in the evening on July 26, 2025. On the southernmost island of Japan, Kyushu, the Genkai Nuclear Power Station sits along a stretch of coastline in the Saga Prefecture, four reactors standing against the black water of the Genkai Sea. The guards stationed at the main gate are minding their own business. It's not exactly a busy time of day. This is also one of the most protected places in the entire country, where even the airspace above is closed off by law. Nothing is supposed to be up there. But then, suddenly, three lights appear in the sky. They don't slowly pass overhead the way an aircraft would.

• 8:09Jesse Michels?

  They hold their position, and then they begin to move, tracing a long loop over the grounds of the power station, an ellipse almost a half a mile wide. They keep circling, drifting closer, almost as if they're monitoring, until they're right over the facility itself. They are now no more than 150 feet from two of the reactors. For two whole hours, the guards and a stationed police officer watched these three lights turn slow circles over the reactors. They're stunned. They're just hovering with no visible propulsion or exhaust. Sometime after midnight, they simply disappear.

• 8:51Jesse Michels?

  No security camera ever caught a clear image of them, or at least that's what we're being told. And there were reports that a minor earthquake had rolled through the region only a half hour before they appeared.

• 9:05Speaker 02

  Whether it's the latest drone or other unknown technology, we think the Japanese main facilities are being monitored.

• 9:26Jesse Michels?

  What happened next probably won't surprise you. The story almost immediately began to fall apart. The nuclear authority put out an emergency notice calling them three drones. Then walked it back. Not drones, it said, just lights. Weeks passed, and eventually, the police arrived at the most reassuring explanation available to them, that the guards at one of the nation's most secure installations, trained to watch the sky, had most likely mistaken a passing aircraft circling in the dark. An aircraft in restricted airspace. Case closed, despite the cover story changing three times.

• 10:09Speaker 02

  We don't know if it's hidden or not. We can't determine. But we'll investigate any security issues.

• 10:24Jesse Michels?

  You see, Kyushu Electric's own records from that night don't square with the simple explanation of a plane at all. The questions started to pour in from sitting members of the Japanese parliament, eventually reaching the highest levels of government, the cabinet.

• 10:41Speaker 00

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• 11:11Jesse Michels?

  And this isn't the first time UFOs have shown up over a Japanese nuclear plant. In 2011, as the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactor melted down, people nearby filmed unknown lights moving above the reactor. actors. A local Buddhist monk said that he believed these UFOs had come to hold the radiation back. They were a cosmic cleanup crew. Steven Spielberg's production company even made a whole Netflix documentary about the saga. Now, if you know anything at all about this subject, you shouldn't be surprised. Because UFOs around nuclear sites might be the single most repeated pattern in the entire history of this phenomenon.

• 11:53Jesse Michels?

  From Malmstrom to F.E. Warren, to Savannah River Site, to Mina, to Vandenberg, essentially every major nuclear base in the United States, not to mention bases in the United Kingdom and former Soviet Union, have all seen frequent UFOs. And these nuclear base UFO sightings go all the way back to 1945. In some cases, they've even tampered with the nuclear weapons themselves. Members of Japan's parliamentary UAP caucus weren't satisfied with the official explanation given to the lights at Genkai. So they went there themselves, inspected the site, and came away saying that an aircraft made no sense at all. The man who spearheaded that investigation was Yoshiharu Asakawa.

• 12:40Jesse Michels?

  To some, he is known simply as the UFO politician. He stood up in parliament and started asking the questions nobody else would touch. His own party told him to stop. His colleagues froze him out. He kept going anyway. He has faced ridicule, but has stayed the course, and has amassed a league of allies, experiencers, and witnesses who have become personal friends and desperately want to see Japanese UFO disclosure. Asakawa has questioned defense ministers directly on the floor of the parliament and flown to Mexico City to testify under oath before their congress. He is the reason the UAP parliamentary league exists at all.

• 13:24Jesse Michels?

  He also is a witness to multiple UFOs, taking us to the very first spots he saw these unknown flying objects as a child. But to understand why a man like this ended up pouring his whole career into UFOs, you have to go back almost 40 years. To the case he says changed everything. And here's the thing. It wasn't what he saw in the sky that got him. It was what happened afterward. November 17, 1986. Japan Airlines Flight 1628. A Boeing 747 hauling cargo over Alaska.

• 14:08Jesse Michels?

  And the captain, Kenji Torachi, was not some hobbyist squinting at the stars. This was a former fighter pilot with almost 30 years in the air. Partway through the flight, he reports these brilliantly lit objects moving around his aircraft.

• 14:29Jesse Michels?

  And then, something much bigger shows up alongside them. He later said it was so enormous that it was the size of two aircraft carriers, shaped like a walnut, hanging there in the night sky next to his plane for 50 whole minutes. His crew saw the lights too. Air traffic control was on the line the whole time. And this is the part that lifts it above your average sighting. The encounter generated radar returns, picked up both by civilian and military systems on the ground. This wasn't one guy describing a line in the distance. It became one of the most thoroughly documented aviation UFO cases in modern history.

• 15:14Jesse Michels?

  So the FAA, or the Federal Aviation Administration, opens an investigation. And years later, the man who was running the FAA's Accidents and Investigations Division at the time, a guy named John Callahan, comes forward and says the case was walked into a classified briefing with the CIA, the FBI, and other agencies in the room. And according to Callahan, when it was over, they took the data. And they told everyone present that the meeting never happened. Callahan says he quietly kept his own copies. He thought that truths involving the nature of reality shouldn't be confined to the government. And after he retired, he published them.

• 15:57Jesse Michels?

  And I've had a former NASA physicist on my show analyze them and tell me directly that they indicate an anomalous object flying around this Japan Airlines plane. From that radar data, it's accelerating at 10,000 Gs, 250,000 miles an hour. And you can actually see the position of the plane on the radar. That is remarkable. And at the one point where the plane actually does a 360 to try to shake this thing, you can actually see that on the radar. So the radar's working.

• 16:28Jesse Michels?

  And Captain Torachi, the decorated veteran who reported exactly what he and his crew saw, as was his duty, he got pulled off international routes and parked behind a desk. A humiliating demotion. Now, in the UFO world, JAL 1628 sits in the same tier as Rendlesham, as the Nimitz Tic Tac, as Teheran. The cases with trained witnesses, real investigations, and evidence that goes beyond one person's word. But here's why it matters for our story. Asakawa was a teenager when this happened. And he watched one of the most extraordinary aviation encounters in history

• 17:11Jesse Michels?

  quietly get turned into a lesson about power. A Japanese crew, a Japanese aircraft, and an investigation that ran through Washington. So that by the time the Japanese public got their answer, a lot of people felt the conclusion had been written somewhere else long before.

• 17:34Jesse Michels?

  Do you think that the United States has a right to dictate whether the Japanese government can share data with their own population about the nature of reality? Which seems like a fundamental truth. If you had to guess, what do you think is known at the highest levels of Japanese government when it comes to UAP? If you had to guess, what do you think is known at the highest levels of Japanese government when it comes to UAP? In 2023, the All Domain Anomalies Resolution Office, the Pentagon's own UFO investigations unit,

• 18:20Jesse Michels?

  released an assessment identifying the hotspots around the world where these objects turn up time and time again. The corridor running from western Japan toward China was on that list, flagged on data going all the way back to 1996. So according to the Pentagon's own analysis, the skies over Japan are some of the most active for this phenomenon anywhere on the planet. I want to talk about the origin story of the UAP caucus because I believe you guys were together on the National Security Committee. Taruo Minobi is a sitting member of Japan's House of Representatives from Osaka. He's also the current Secretary General of the UAP Caucus.

• 19:03Speaker 03

  This is the most problematic issue. For pilots who have seen unidentified objects, there is a lack of proof of their presence. The fact is, the US is still under the control of the military. The US is still in control of the situation.

• 19:33Jesse Michels?

  In 2023, the All Domain Anomalies Resolution Office, the Pentagon's own UFO investigations unit, released an assessment identifying the hotspots around the world where these objects turn up time and time again. The corridor running from western Japan toward China was on that list, flagged on data going all the way back to 1996. So according to the Pentagon's own analysis, the skies over Japan are some of the most active for this phenomenon anywhere on the planet. I want to talk about the origin story of the UAP caucus because I believe you guys were together on the National Security Committee. Taruo Minobi is a sitting member of Japan's House of Representatives from Osaka.

• 20:18Jesse Michels?

  He's also the current Secretary General of the UAP Caucus. The most problematic issue is, for pilots who have seen unidentified objects, there is a lack of proof of their presence. The fact is, the US is still under the control of the military. The US is still in control of the situation. In 2023, the All Domain Anomalies Resolution Office, the Pentagon's own UFO investigations unit, released an assessment identifying the hotspots around the world where these objects turn up time and time again. The corridor running from western Japan toward China was on that list,

• 21:03Jesse Michels?

  flagged on data going all the way back to 1996. So according to the Pentagon's own analysis, the skies over Japan are some of the most active for this phenomenon anywhere on the planet. I want to talk about the origin story of the UAP caucus because I believe you guys were together on the National Security Committee. Taruo Minobi is a sitting member of Japan's House of Representatives from Osaka. He's also the current Secretary General of the UAP Caucus.

• 21:38Speaker 04

  それがどの物体か別として、そういうのはしっかり報告していただいて。

• 21:48Jesse Michels?

  When Trump started posting openly about UFO disclosure, it landed differently in Japan. Asakawa told me that Hamada, who he thinks knows more than he is letting on about UFOs, was very excited. After years of non-answers and gaslighting, suddenly, Washington was promising to open the UFO files, and Japan would move in step. I think we're going to be releasing as much as we can in the near future. For some reason, and I guess it's just a reason it's been in the minds of people for a long time.

• 22:21Speaker 04

  今、先ほどアメリカの議員さんの名前を聞いてこういうことがあるんだと。 そのもの自体を持っているんだと言われても、なかなか今の我々の知識というか認識では本当なのかなと思う。 息を越えないというところもありますから。

• 22:41Speaker 03

  ところが、浜田会長が私がこのトランプ大統領の発言を一方メールをして、すぐに電話がかかってきて。 朝川君、アメリカトランプがこういう言って動き始めたから、すぐに議念総会をやろうという連絡が2月の19日20日にあったんですね。 つまり浜田会長は元防衛大臣として、何だかいろいろ本当は知ってるんじゃないかと私は思ってます。 でもなかなか立場上言えないので、アメリカが動き出したからいよいよ日本の情報も出てくるっていう。 多分浜田先生はわかってらっしゃると思うんですね。

• 23:21Jesse Michels?

  Yesterday, you were telling us about one of your incredible sightings as a child, and we got interrupted. Can you just tell that story one more time? Not the elementary school, the other story.

• 23:36Jesse Michels?

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• 24:08Speaker 03

  中学の2年だったと思うんですけど、秋の夕暮れに当地住んでいた自宅の前で。

• 24:16Speaker 03

  もう夕暮れではあったんですけど、黒い塊が何か見えたんですね。 これぐらいだった。で、黒い塊なんだろうと思って、すぐに自分の部屋に戻って、 テントブイのファインダーというミニスコープを取り出してみたら、 四角い立方体の塊が多分4つぐらいですね。ついてたんです。

• 24:41Speaker 03

  いろんな色がちっちゃくついてました。すごく小さく、赤とか黄色とか緑とかが。

• 24:51Speaker 03

  で、離れていって、ちょうど家の影に隠れて見えなくなったんですけど、 およそ15分から20分ぐらい見ていました。私の母親と近所の人と、少なくとも3人で見て。

• 25:08Jesse Michels?

  This is an unusual description for a UFO, but it's not one without precedent.

• 25:15Jesse Michels?

  One of the first people I thought of was former Navy pilot Ryan Graves. Graves has spoken publicly about pilots in his own squadron encountering what they described as dark cubes enclosed within transparent spheres.

• 25:31Speaker 03

  The object described as a dark gray or a black cube inside of a clear sphere came within 50 feet of the lead aircraft and was estimated to be 5 to 15 feet in diameter.

• 25:41Jesse Michels?

  He says these weren't isolated incidents. It got to the point where asking who had encountered one in one of his briefing rooms would result in half the room raising their hands. Swedish UFO researcher Claus Svahn has also documented floating box-like objects. When she draw the object to me, it looks like a box with sharp edges and big windows, and a brim like a hat. Wow. Perhaps all of these sightings connect to a more speculative idea that we've explored throughout this series. The concept of a four-dimensional hypercube, or tesseract.

• 26:20Speaker 03

  I cannot show you a tesseract because I and you are trapped in three dimensions. But what I can show you is the shadow in three dimensions.

• 26:31Jesse Michels?

  The proposal isn't that people are literally seeing tessaracts flying around the sky. It's that if an object from a higher-dimensional space intersected with our three-dimensional world, what we would perceive might only be a partial cross-section of something far more complex. Say this is, you know, you have a 2D universe and this is a 3D object. If it intersects, you're just going to see a sliver of it. So you'll just see a disk.

• 27:05Jesse Michels?

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• 30:39Jesse Michels?

  Supports the show. You were reading a little document before we started rolling. Do you want to read it to the audience?

• 30:46Speaker 03

  Americaで起きている基地上空のUAPについて、日本ではどうなのかという点について防衛省に確認をしました。 その結果、私は端的に日本の基地駐屯地の上空でUAPが認められた事案があるのかというふうに聞いたところ、 防衛省自衛隊において、自衛隊の基地駐屯地の上空を含め、これまで対領空審判措置の中で、 通常の飛行物体、無人機や機器を含む以外のものと推定される飛行物体の飛来は確認していないという回答がありました。

• 31:28Speaker 03

  対領空審判措置というのは、日本の領空外から飛んできたものが自衛隊の基地とか駐屯地に飛来してきていないということを言ってるだけで、 領空審判ではなく、どこから来たかわからないものが自衛隊の基地や駐屯地の上に現れたことがあったかなかったかについては、これは言及していないんです。

• 31:56Jesse Michels?

  So it sounds like this document is using a very deliberate wording in order to be kind of intentionally vague and allow for actually foreign unknown objects. But I would take it a step further as far as kind of the questions that this begets, which is, the Pentagon has officially said that Japan is a hotspot when it comes to UAP activity. And so if you have a document essentially saying, you know, we haven't had any officially documented cases of UAP, you know, even if it's sort of being cheeky and allowing for some possible cases,

• 32:36Jesse Michels?

  isn't there some basic inconsistency there between the take on the US and then this document? I mean, even Hamada-san admitted that the Pentagon believes that Japan is a hotspot.

• 32:48Speaker 03

  おっしゃる通りで、2023年のRの発表で私の自分のチラシにも書いたんですけども、これですね。 で、これについて私が発表された後、2023年の10月の頭に議員会で質問をしたんですが、 大臣、当時の大臣、今の木原官房長官がこの情報について今朝担当の書簡から聞いたと言われたんです。 日本が先ほど出した戦後ずっとアメリカの影響力のある中でやってきてるというのは、

• 33:27Speaker 03

  まあもう抜けられないというかですね。アメリカ抜きにしては、日本の世界の中での外交も安全保障もない状況に もう仕組まれてきてるというふうに考えてるんですね。 で、もうちょっと話を進めてると、田中閣下のロッキード事件というのもアメリカが発端だったと。 田中閣下、アメリカに対して反米視線を示して中国と友好をしようとしてアメリカに潰されたんじゃないかということを言う人がいるんですね。 私もまあそれに近いかなというふうに思っていますし。

• 34:06Jesse Michels?

  Take a little journey with me here, because what Asakawa just mentioned is a pretty deep cut. And after this interview, I dug even deeper and uncovered some pretty crazy connections. Washington, 1975. While Senator Frank Church was running a committee that was dragging the CIA's secrets into the daylight, he was also quietly running a second investigation. This one was into American corporations bribing their way through the governments of allied nations. And sitting right at the center of it was Lockheed. Yes, that Lockheed. Skunk Works, the U-2, the SR-71 Blackbird,

• 34:46Jesse Michels?

  the contractors that UFO whistleblowers David Grush and Jay Stratton say have been holding on to recovered non-human technology. Harry Reid said this. You know, we knew that Lockheed Martin had this material for decades. I tried to get access and I was denied. And specifically with the Lockheed Martin stuff, he was talking about during the OSAP program. Jay Stratton even names one of the Lockheed Martin vice presidents who apparently was responsible for UFO reverse engineering, a man named Jim Ryder. If you're in this world and you hear Lockheed, you think UFOs Incorporated. In February of 1976, the Church Subcommittee revealed that this same company

• 35:30Jesse Michels?

  had spent the better part of two decades funneling millions of dollars in secret payments to the most powerful men in Japan. Which brings us to Kakui Tanaka, the most formidable Japanese politician of his generation. And once he became prime minister, he did something Washington really did not like. He started acting independently, opening relations with China ahead of the United States on Japan's own terms. Then the Lockheed money surfaced. Prosecutors said that Tanaka had taken 500 million yen. And on the morning of July 27, 1976, he became the first former prime minister ever arrested in Japan.

• 36:13Jesse Michels?

  The most independent leader post-war Japan had produced was finished. And when Japan's own government formally asked Washington for the full list of officials who'd taken Lockheed money, one man stepped in to try to stop it. This man was American Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. And Henry Kissinger was definitely, you know, doing a lot of atomic stuff. In fact, he was also doing Nazi tech retrieval stuff too. He was at Oberammergau in Germany. That's right. You know, before going to Harvard, actually, and had intelligence ties, you know, basically since his early twenties. Kissinger warned that releasing the names could do grave damage to America's foreign relations. And the full list was never made public as a result.

• 36:57Jesse Michels?

  Where things get wild is that longtime viewers know that we did a whole episode on Kissinger and his potential involvement in the legacy UFO program, perhaps even overseeing it. In fact, the widow of the former head of special projects at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Dr. Eric Henry Wang, said that Kissinger was overseeing his work. And who was assigned, likely by the CIA, to hold back Kissinger? None other than past American alchemist Harold Malmgren. The same Harold Malmgren who claimed to hold UFO pieces in his hands. And the same Harold Malmgren whose closest mentor, Richard Bissell, founded Area 51 and briefed him on other world technologies.

• 37:41Jesse Michels?

  Besides being a direct aide to presidents like Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, and Ford, Malmgren collaborated with the highest levels of the Japanese government. In fact, he was usually a direct advisor to the prime minister himself. And the first prime minister he advised, you might ask?

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• 38:29Jesse Michels?

  None other than Kakui Tanaka. In fact, Malmgren was a personal friend of the head of Japan's own National Security Council.

• 38:38Speaker 02

  The National Security Chief for the Japanese Prime Minister was my buddy for years.

• 38:46Jesse Michels?

  Lyndon Johnson had even sent Malmgren on a secret mission to Tokyo. No State Department, no embassy, nobody read in. Just a sealed envelope, hand-delivered straight to the prime minister's secretary, so that whatever was inside would never exist on paper.

• 39:03Speaker 02

  Here's the name of his personal secretary. She will expect it. She will tell them to give her the...

• 39:09Speaker 03

  If it comes, you deliver it yourself, direct it in the door, hand over the envelope, that's it.

• 39:18Jesse Michels?

  When he finally walked out of the US government in 1975, the same year the Lockheed dominoes started to fall, he didn't leave Japan behind. He became one of the highest-paid American operators working inside Japanese institutions, a private line or back channel running between Tokyo and Washington that stayed open for years. So the same person who had been let in on these otherworldly secrets, who I think was probably CIA, was incredibly influential in Japan. And Japan is one of the greatest UFO hotspots on the entire planet. And both he and Kissinger had access to the UFO file. And both seemed to be at odds with each other.

• 39:59Jesse Michels?

  So was Malmgren fighting against Kissinger's methods of gaining leverage over foreign countries? Was his placement at the highest levels of Japanese politics and at the highest levels of UFOs just a coincidence? Or could he have been back-channeling on that topic too? Remember, the UFO pieces that Malmgren held in his hands was from the Blue Gill Triple Prime test. There's actually footage of that test that seems to show a UFO coming out of the plume of the nuclear blast. And the Navy deck logs associated with this Blue Gill Triple Prime test seem to indicate something anomalous being retrieved. Don't listen to me, listen to the Navy's former chief oceanographer, Tim Gallaudet.

• 40:43Jesse Michels?

  Did you think that something anomalous was recovered from the deck? Hundred percent. I do. So if David Grush is right, that the United States has run a multi-decade program recovering craft that aren't ours, then some of those recoveries probably happened outside American territory, on the soil of allies and partners. And if something comes down in Japan and Washington wants it, how does that actually work? You would need people already inside that country's political structure. You'd need relationships that predate that emergency situation. You'd need somebody that the prime minister's office trusts enough to take a call at 3:00 in the morning and not ask what the cargo is.

• 41:24Jesse Michels?

  So between Malmgren, Kissinger, and Lockheed all being involved with UFOs, and Japan being a UFO hotspot, these are all loose threads, but they're definitely ones worth pursuing. You are probably as much of a lighthouse as anyone else when it comes to the UAP topic because you are the UFO representative. So I'm sure you hear all sorts of stories from, you know, random Japanese civilians and citizens who want to, you know, let you know about what happened to them. What's the wildest story that you've heard?

• 41:58Speaker 03

  自分専用のUFOがあって、しょっちゅう自分の意識でUFOに乗ることができるという方もいます。

• 42:07Speaker 02

  Malmgren is that. Someone has told me that the person has an arsenal, UFO always waiting for him, and he can ride it whenever he wants.

• 42:20Speaker 03

  それから、私の尊敬するアーティストの小田和真さんの実家が地元なんですけど、 その近所の、小田屋局の近所のカラオケスナックのマスターは

• 42:39Speaker 03

  数年前に余計不明になった時にUFOに乗せられたと言って、 着陸してるUFOに乗って中には遠くに宇宙人がいたという方もいます。 もっと他にもいるんですけれども、もう一人は私という人の議員だった速坂さん。

• 43:00Jesse Michels?

  What type of music do you play?

• 43:02Speaker 03

  パンクとかハードスワ、スニップロット、フリートパンディ。

• 43:06Jesse Michels?

  Ding? Really? I wasn't expecting you to say that. Hayasaka started out on the city council of Sendai, up in Japan's northeast. And in 2021, he won a seat in the House of Representatives. His wife Chiaki has made a career in politics too.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  政治に対してやっぱり不満もあった部分もありましたので、 そういうところで女性の味方になりたいって最初に思ったところがきっかけでした。

• 43:37Jesse Michels?

  And as you'll see, they're basically a power couple and have both experienced the paranormal. Thirty years ago, on a routine drive home, Hayasaka witnessed something incredible.

• 43:49Speaker 03

  実はもう23、2年前ですかね。 私55なんで今年。 22歳の年に妻の実家に行ったんですね。 そこにご挨拶に行った。 回り北かみちと、死のところで2人で車の中からUFOを確認できたんですよ。 本当山の上にこう何回もすごい移動する光が見えて、 これ2人で違う、これUFOじゃないっていう話をして、 すごい体験したねって言いながら、岩手から仙台の音。

• 44:26Jesse Michels?

  What color and shape was the UFO that you saw?

• 44:30Speaker 03

  シルバーっていうか、光をパッとこう瞬間移動。 あれ？みたいな感じでしたね。 それから仙台の自宅に戻って彼女を送りました。 そして僕は疲れて駐車場に寝てたんですね。

• 44:49Jesse Michels?

  And then there's a gap, total blackout. But before the gap, he does remember being unable to move.

• 44:55Speaker 03

  ちょっとした間なんですけど、すごい寝てる間に足跡が聞こえてきて、すごい大勢。 で、絡みのような形になったんです。 ザンザンザンザンっていう音がすごい聞こえてきて、近くに寄ってくると感じたんですよ。 しかしもう動かないって感じだった。

• 45:13Jesse Michels?

  And when it was over, there was a wound behind his right ear that he'd never had before, a wound that healed into a scar. And years later, an X-ray showed a small, squareish shadow underneath it.

• 45:28Speaker 03

  そんなに大きな切り傷じゃなくて、ただもうカサブタみたいになってたんで、 それを妻がこれ傷々あるじゃんということを言ってくれたんで、それで気づいたんですね。 ただ未だに傷は残ってます。

• 45:42Jesse Michels?

  Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 45:49Jesse Michels?

  Do you know that that's a common spot for people who have alien encounters to get implants? Yeah, in fact, Whitley Striebers, who's the most famous person who's ever been, you know, encountered aliens. He wrote a bestselling book in the 1980s called Communion. And it's kind of what, you know, popularized the image of the gray alien. He has an implant in his ear, and I've felt it. Go ahead, touch it. Don't be scared of it. Like, here, here. Right under my finger. Now. Oh my god. So you have a scar, but there was no blood. And did you go test it? Did you get it x-rayed or imaged in any way?

• 46:30Speaker 03

  あの、ヘルニアかなと思って一回取ってもらったことありますね。 デートゲンを。 そしたらちょっと黒い影があるよっていう話をちょっと。

• 46:39Jesse Michels?

  But it was, how big of a spot was it? Was it perfectly circular? Was it like a blob that was hard to figure out the edges of? Or what did it look like exactly?

• 46:50Speaker 03

  四角いようなこう黒いちょっと影みたいな。

• 46:53Jesse Michels?

  Square? Like a small, little square?

• 46:56Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 46:57Jesse Michels?

  How many, like a centimeter or a millimeter or?

• 47:01Speaker 03

  ミニマイクロチップよりもちょっとちっちゃい。

• 47:04Jesse Michels?

  Have you ever tested it with a, you know, radio frequency detector? Or put a magnet on it or anything like that?

• 47:10Speaker 03

  それはないですね。実験的にやろうとかそういうこと意識したことはないですけど、 ただこっちの方が痛くなるのはあります。 頭痛じゃないですけど、偏頭痛のようにっていう時が非常に多い時がある。

• 47:23Jesse Michels?

  It's interesting, most of the people who I've spoken to who have implants are superstitious, or not superstitious. They think that the implants serve a purpose, and they actually don't want to take them out because they feel like it's their connection maybe with the being, since so it's very adaptive to keep the implants in. So it almost feels like you might feel the same way. I don't know.

• 47:46Speaker 03

  僕は別にこう外したいとか中を見てみたいとか無理くりこう手術したいっていうのは何も考えてないです。 このまま人生を過ごしていって、何かがあればやはり役に立てればいいし、 どういうことがこれから起きるかわからないんですけど、 大変ワクワクした人生をもう少し生きたいなと思いますって。

• 48:07Jesse Michels?

  Chiaki-san also saw a UFO. Is that correct?

• 48:10Speaker 03

  あ、私の場合は保育園の時に 速坂が見た場所とほぼ同じような場所でUFOを見た感じになります。 はい。ちょっと時系列があるんですけど、ちょっと小さい時に。 お、見てる。 見て。 で、その後速坂が駐車場で、はい、さらわれそうになったって大騒ぎしまして。 大体マンションの方にいた感じだと、15分か20分ぐらいでも慌てて、 車発進させて出てったように感じました。

• 48:51Speaker 00

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• 49:21Jesse Michels?

  Wow, but the exact same place?

• 49:24Speaker 02

  全く同じ場所で。

• 49:25Jesse Michels?

  Like the same parking lot?

• 49:26Speaker 03

  ほぼ一緒です。何百メートルが、1キロないです。

• 49:31Jesse Michels?

  Wow.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  Of the parking lot.

• 49:33Jesse Michels?

  And you remember it? Were you with your friends?

• 49:36Speaker 03

  夕方に帰りにおじいちゃんに迎えに来てもらいました。 でおじいちゃんと手をつないで、妹と手をつないで、 U字型の校舎だったんですけど、そこ歩いて上を見上げた時に、 大きな光物体が飛んできました。

• 50:02Jesse Michels?

  Wow. Did the UFOs that you both saw look the same? And did those UFOs look the same as your father-in-law, your father?

• 50:11Speaker 03

  違いますね。感じ的には違う。僕らもうちょっと遠めの方で見て。

• 50:15Speaker 02

  ただ異常に動きがすごくて、すごい動きをしてたので、 もうこんな普通の飛行機の動きじゃないし、その当時ドローもなければ、 その飛行機がこんな低空で走る、飛ぶはずないっていうんで、 もうあれこれはもう宇宙、あのUFOかなと思いでした。

• 50:34Jesse Michels?

  Have you guys seen any UFOs outside of your preschool experience, the experience in the car together, anything else, or seen any beings?

• 50:45Speaker 03

  そうですね。なんか早坂の話はすっかり忘れてたんですけど、 やっぱり今回ムーっていうことで思い出してっていうか、その当時を振り返ると、 お寺、駐車場イコールお寺だったんですね。 お化けが出る、お墓もありましたし、そういうところの駐車場だったんですね。 なのでやっぱりその当時はそのUFOなのか、お化けなのか、なんかほら、

• 51:21Speaker 03

  もう大騒ぎで、もうその車で発進してからすぐ公衆電話で電話いただきまして、 もう何言ってるか一瞬わかんないぐらいすごく興奮してました。 それでなんかもうとにかく逃げてきたと。

• 51:39Jesse Michels?

  According to Chiaki, Hayasaka's wife, the parking lot where all of this happened, where her husband lost those hours of his life, was once the grounds of a temple. In Japan, that detail carries a different weight than it might elsewhere. These encounters have a long habit of happening on ground that people at some point set aside as holy. Strange occurrences on sacred sites. Japanese tradition has never drawn a hard line between the sacred and the strange. The same peaks people have prayed at for a thousand years have seamlessly also become the places people now go to watch the sky. From Shinto and Buddhist traditions to modern UFOs.

• 52:22Jesse Michels?

  Take Mount Kurama in the hills of North Kyoto. It's the birthplace of Reiki, the practice of energy healing. And for centuries, it's been wrapped in legends of the Tengu, the long-nosed goblins of Japanese folklore said to live in its forests. Today, those same forested ridges are one of the best-known UFO-watching spots in the whole Kyoto region. Or go far to the north to Mount Osori in Aomori, a name that translates roughly to Mount Fear. It's a sulfur-stained volcanic caldera that folk belief has held for over a thousand years to be an entrance to the land of the dead. Every summer, blind mediums called itako

• 53:05Jesse Michels?

  gather there to channel the voices of the dead for the pilgrims who make the climb.

• 53:13Jesse Michels?

  And UFO watchers who go to the Osori festival consistently see lights in the sky. They'll often tell you that with all that spiritual energy concentrated in one place across history, it would be stranger if the lights didn't come. And then there's a local legend that goes beyond just a UFO hotspot, Mount Kuramata in Akita. It's a near-perfect conical peak, and a research team that surveyed it back in the early 90s with ground-penetrating radar came away arguing it might be an artificial structure, possibly one of the oldest pyramids on Earth. There's a 4,000-year-old stone circle a short walk away, aligned to the Solstice Sun.

• 53:55Jesse Michels?

  Which brings me back to what Asakawa said about his sighting when he was a boy, about the shapes he saw hanging low in the sky. If you stand where he stood and look to the west, you're looking toward Mount Fuji, the most sacred mountain in the country. A peak with shrines built into its slopes, pilgrims on its trails, and with its own long traditions of stories about beings, gods, non-human intelligence is all in the sky above the summit.

• 54:27Jesse Michels?

  If you had to guess, why do you think these beings are here?

• 54:30Speaker 02

  もうやはり地球の動きをいろいろ監視したり、 ここ起きることを予知してるかもしれないし、 これからもういろんなことがまた戦争が起きたりすることを全部予知してるもの 先にあっちの方が宇宙人の方が、宇宙の方が進化してるんで、 こっちをまず見てるんじゃないのかな、監視してるんじゃないかなっていうちぼちゃありますね、僕は。

• 54:55Jesse Michels?

  If there's one message you can relate to people who are thinking about this topic, what would that be? Maybe they don't know what to think about it and...

• 55:04Speaker 02

  まあ本当に次のことを予知することができませんけど、 また何かあるかもしれませんので、その時はまた皆さんにご報告をしていきたいし、 隠すことなくいろいろ相談をさせていただきたいなと思います。 本当にまだ未知なことはわかんないし、未来のこともわかりませんけど、 僕はただ第六感はあると思ってますんで、自分なりに。 そこはちょっともう気をつけていきたいなと思います。

• 55:28Jesse Michels?

  Can you tell me a little bit more about the guy who claims he has a personal UFO that acts like a car that he can just get on and drive at any moment? Get on and fly?

• 55:42Speaker 03

  なんかですね、女性なんですけども、突然

• 55:48Speaker 03

  よく言う霊現象の表現像みたいなのってわかりますか? 私も初めて見てて、へーと思ってあけに取られてたし、 今でもそれがね、信じてるかどうかというと、懐疑的ではあるんですけども、 ただどうしてその人が事前に私のことを調べてるわけでもない、 そんな有名な国会議員もなかったので、遠くから来てる人でね、 そういうことを言い始めるのかっていうと、その富士山の上空のなんか生命、 生命体っていうかなんかそういうエネルギーだか、宇宙から来て、 日本全体を見ているその宇宙人らしきものが、 富士山の上空にいつもいるらしいんですね。

• 56:33Speaker 03

  で、その人の声としてチャネラーが言ってきたのが、 いやこの浅川っていうのは非常に重要な人だと言われて、 で、富士山とりあえず来てくれっていうか、もうしょうがないから、 周りの人が話に乗ったので、その一週間後に富士山一周してきたんですね。

• 56:50Jesse Michels?

  What happened when you were at Mount Fuji? Did you get any sort of message?

• 56:54Speaker 03

  あの、特に行って変わったことはないんですが、 ただすると、富士山って元々日本では信仰の山なんですけど、それを知ってますか? 元々昔からその、日本っていうのはすべてのものに神様が宿るっていう 鬼神島であるんですけど、ああいう大きな山になると、当然 神様がいてっていうことで、富士山信仰っていうのがあるんです。 富士山が信じる信仰ですね。 それとこの間私が昔住んでたところで、 三つの光がこういう風に動いたって示したんですけど、 あの三つの光が最初に見えたところは、あそこに富士山が

• 57:38Speaker 03

  山の両線の先にあって、ちょっと高いとこ行くと、富士山の頭が見えるんです。 高船大小学校行きましたよね、高船大。 その学校からは富士山が見えて、 私は小学生の時、毎日その富士山の頭を学校で見て。

• 57:54Jesse Michels?

  Interesting. That's fascinating. So maybe there you were meant to go there or something. Maybe that moment then was somehow tied to what you ended up experiencing when you went to Mount Fuji. There was something about Mount Fuji you needed to go and see, and it's all sort of connected.

• 58:14Speaker 03

  そうなんです。しかもその話の直後に、 日本のテレビドラマで、 富士山周辺川口湖のところに宇宙人が住んでたという連続ドラマも 放送されたんですね。これまた偶然なんですけど。

• 58:31Jesse Michels?

  It almost feels like you're being guided by non-human intelligence yourself. Do you sometimes speculate that?

• 58:40Speaker 03

  まあ、今の科学の常識では因果関係がないんで、科学的とは言えないんですけれども、 ただ私が実は国会議員になったのもすごく偶然が重なってて、 とても私が当選するとはほとんどの人が思ってなかったところを 当選したところから始まり、自分の幼い時に関心を持っていたこととかが、 いくつかが衆議院議員をたった3年間で、すごく集約されたことがあったんですね。 その一つがこのUFOだったんです。

• 59:18Jesse Michels?

  When I set out for Japan, I thought I was just chasing a story about a government waking up to the UFO truth. To the fact that this issue is real, that it matters, and that it's been sitting unattended for decades. But the personal experiences I heard made me think that that was just the tip of the iceberg. How many more Hayasakas and Asakawas are out there with their own sightings and encounters? For them, this was never abstract. And then they went into public service and found themselves holding the government accountable to do something about it. There's an old saying in Japan, "Todai motokuroshi." It's darkest directly beneath the lantern. The lamp lights up the whole rim, except the spot right underneath it.

• 1:00:03Jesse Michels?

  For 70 years, the light of this subject has been held in exactly one place. American files, American hearings, American secrets. With the whole world reading its own skies by whatever glow reaches them. And directly beneath that lantern, in the shadow it casts, sits Japan. An ally with centuries of sightings, lights over its mountains, its sea, and its nuclear sites. And a government that was kept in the dark the entire time. One that probably never knew what the Malmgrins and Kissingers of the world did. The people we interviewed today have stopped waiting for the lamp to be handed to them. They're lighting their own, trying to find out where they stand on UFOs and what they're missing.

• 1:00:49Jesse Michels?

  Stay tuned, because I'll be releasing more episodes from my two-week trip in Japan in the coming weeks and months. We'll visit a pyramid-shaped mountain outside Fukushima, so magnetic and so busy with UFO sightings that the town at its foot built its own UFO museum. We'll dive deep into the famous Kofu incident, where two schoolboys say that a being stepped out of a UFO in 1975 and tapped one of them on the shoulder. But for now, keep your mind and your eyes open. I'm Jesse Michaels, and this is American Alchemy.

• 1:01:57Speaker 00

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