Pod Insights 5-4 Panic! In The Federal Judiciary [TEASER] About this episode You know things are really bad when federal judges–historically an extremely reticent group–are sounding the alarm about the chaos and confusion the Supreme Court is reaping these days. Never fear, Amy Coney Barrett is here to remind all of us that everything is fine, because the shadow docket is not a big deal, originalism is fun and interesting, and she's a real human mother.
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0:04 Speaker 00 Hey, everyone. This is Leon from Prologue Projects. On this subscriber-only episode of Five to Four, Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael are talking about growing concern among some federal judges over how the Supreme Court is operating under the Trump administration. The New York Times recently sent a survey to hundreds of federal judges across the country and got responses from nearly 50 of them, saying that the Supreme Court's use of the emergency docket has been inappropriate. Lower court judges, appointed by both Democrats and Republicans, told the Times that "the court's reliance on unexplained emergency rulings has created confusion and damaged public trust in the judiciary." It was an extraordinary show of disapproval that would have been unthinkable just a few years ago.
0:49 Speaker 00 Defending the Supreme Court on the public stage has been its second newest member, Amy Coney Barrett, whose new book has served as an occasion for a press tour that the hosts have found deeply impressive and persuasive. Just kidding. This is Five to Four, a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks.
1:12 Peter Shamshiri? Welcome to Five to Four, where we dissect and analyze the Supreme Court cases that have destroyed our nation, like Donald Trump destroying the East Wing of the White House. I'm Peter. I'm here with Rhiannon.
1:23 Speaker 02 Hey.
1:24 Peter Shamshiri? And Michael.
1:25 Michael Liroff? Yeah, I just saw the photos like just an hour ago and was like, fuck. Like, it's really like-
1:31 Speaker 02 What's this guy doing?
1:33 Michael Liroff? They took a fucking wrecking ball to the White House. How on the nose.
1:39 Peter Shamshiri? No, sorry. We're gonna pretend this isn't sick. We're gonna pretend this isn't awesome. So originally, the reporting was like, they're doing like just a tiny bit of demolition, and then they're gonna build out the ballroom. And then it was like, actually, it's the entire East Wing. By the weekend, the entire East Wing of the White House will be gone.
1:58 Speaker 02 Yeah, you know it's every boy's dream.
2:00 Peter Shamshiri? To destroy the White House? 100%.
2:03 Speaker 02 Right? Every boy's dream. You roll in the wrecking ball? You roll in the crane, the bulldozer? You watch it bring down a building?
2:12 Peter Shamshiri? Yeah. To destroy a building and then make it more flamboyant-
2:15 Michael Liroff? Yes.
2:16 Peter Shamshiri? Is every young man's dream.
2:17 Speaker 02 That's right. Install some chandeliers.
2:20 Peter Shamshiri? I just want a place to dance. That's what every guy says when they buy a house.
2:27 Michael Liroff? Oh, man. Look, it's ridiculous and we are laughing about it, but it is, it is worth noting that this motherfucker has no intention of ever leaving this place, right? Like, you don't demolish a wing of 150 year old building to put in a ballroom if you're out of there in two years, right?
2:48 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, there's some theater to it, right? Like, I run this place. This is where I live. I'm gonna live here long term. Yeah.
2:56 Michael Liroff? Yeah, this is my house.
2:58 Speaker 02 I'm renovating.
2:59 Michael Liroff? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So I'm putting my little touches on it. Shit he did not do last year, right? He didn't do the tacky gold shit that in the, in the Oval. Have you guys seen that?
3:12 Peter Shamshiri? No.
3:12 Michael Liroff? Have you seen pictures of the Oval Office? Oh, my God.
3:15 Speaker 02 He's installing like Trump branded hardware on the bus and shit.
3:19 Michael Liroff? The Oval Office is, no, it's just like, all this like molding that's been like, either plated or just painted gold. This is like really sort of like.
3:29 Speaker 02 God, he's such a plated molding guy, isn't he?
3:32 Michael Liroff? It's so tacky.
3:34 Peter Shamshiri? Okay, hold on, I'm looking at it right now. 24 karat accents. Yeah, no, it looks good.
3:45 Speaker 02 Solid aesthetics on this guy.
3:48 Peter Shamshiri? There are, there are Italians in my neighborhood who would think this is tacky.
3:53 Michael Liroff? It looks like, it looks like there, he saw Versace shirt and was like, that, I want, I want a real life version of that on, on my mantle, on the fireplace mantle. It's so bad.
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