Why Side Hustles Rarely Work & How To Create One That Does

Most side hustles never make it past the excitement phase. You start with a great idea, plenty of motivation, and big plans, only to find yourself wondering why progress feels so slow. If you've been putting in the effort but still aren't seeing real momentum, the problem might be deeper than the business idea itself.

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  Most side hustles fail, and it's not because of your idea. It's not because of your marketing strategy. It's not because of the color of the buy button on your landing page. It's something a lot more fundamental than that. Today, I'm going to share with you three specific conditions you need to have to make sure your side hustle succeeds. I have Nicole Baldina, who's my co-founder, the executive producer of the show, and she'll be helping me with Q and A Wednesday.

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  Hey everyone, I'm excited to be here. Today's question comes from Mandee. Mandee asks, "I've been trying to build a side hustle for over a year and I keep starting and stopping. I have the idea, I have the motivation at the beginning, but something always gets in the way and I never get any real traction. What am I doing wrong?" Okay, Omar, before you answer this question, I want to name something because I think most people listening to this are probably thinking or have felt the same guilt of starting something and then stopping, or maybe even that embarrassment of having announced it to people and then stopping. And maybe there's a confusion as to why this is happening. So I guess the real question is, is this a Mandee problem? Or is this just how side hustles work?

• 2:46Speaker 04

  I think it's a structural problem. I don't think it's a Mandee problem. I think a lot of people, they think that building a side hustle and growing a side hustle and working on it is easier than it is. You need to create a structure, a framework, an environment that's going to allow you to be successful with a limited amount of time you have. And we're going to talk about how much time you should spend on a side hustle so that you have some leverage, you have some traction and have some success.

• 3:10Speaker 05

  Like a schedule as well?

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  Yeah, we're going to talk about all of that. But the point that you just made about people failing and then trying again and picking up where they left off. The bottom line is, is that you've got to get serious about if this is a priority or not. You know, often people's side hustle is their plan B. What I want to encourage everybody who's watching and listening is, you want to make your side hustle, not even call it a side hustle, your business, even though it's part-time right now, is your plan A and your current job is plan B. That is what you're going to be doing for the long term. And the reason why I say this is because things will come up, right? Game night is going to come up, you know, a friend's going to call you up just visiting out of town. And you're going to always kind of sacrifice the side hustle or not do what you're supposed to be doing because it's not plan A, it's plan B.

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  So we're going to talk about prioritizing, how to make it a priority, how to create boundaries so that you can be able to turn that side hustle into your full-time thing eventually.

• 4:05Speaker 05

  I feel like we need to rename side hustle.

• 4:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, I'm going to talk about that too. I mean, like, the language does matter. I mean, we were going to talk about the idea of validation, the point of the side hustle in the first place, but let's not get out of ourselves.

• 4:18Speaker 05

  All right, so does that mean then side hustles are impossible? Do you have to quit your job?

• 4:24Speaker 04

  They're not impossible. I side hustled for over a decade before I went to full-time entrepreneurship. And I do believe that side hustles have a lot of merit. But today, I'm going to share three conditions I believe that you have to fulfill in order for you to have any kind of traction or any kind of success with a side hustle. This is just from my own experience. But I also want to say that side hustles are great for learning. When you're starting this path in entrepreneurship, you have to learn business. You have to learn how to find your voice, how to find the right product for your audience, how to build an audience, how to market, how to sell, how to do finance, how to make a hire. These are all moments of learning. And side hustling is a good environment, a safe environment to learn that.

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  You can make some mistakes and it's not a catastrophe because you still have your paycheck. And I learned a lot of things through mistakes, through my side hustling days. So you could also see this as a training ground for you to learn business.

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  I love that because it's like, yes, you have to have the structure, the schedule. You have to treat it as a priority. But at the same time, keep in mind that, okay, there's still this safe zone of I'm learning and it's my opportunity to learn now before things get really serious and it's my full-time gig.

• 5:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, the stakes are a little bit lower because your income is not dependent on it. But at the same time, you want to put some pressure on yourself and some accountability, which we'll talk about in one of those three conditions I talked about earlier. Because you want to make this your full-time thing. You don't want this to be a side hustle forever. I personally thought I side hustled for too long. And that's why I'm sharing today's lesson and today's, you know, answer to the question. Because I think that that's my biggest regret is I didn't go into entrepreneurship full-time earlier.

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  How long did you side hustle for?

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  10 years. It's a long time. And I had a lot of failures in that time. And the internet was very young at the time. I started in 2001 when I started building businesses on the side. And then it took me about 11, 12 years till I had like a full-time business that allowed me to kind of go full-time, yeah.

• 6:24Speaker 05

  Okay, so what are the conditions then? That accountability, that structure, the schedule, all of that.

• 6:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I've mentioned this before, but it's worth reiterating. My first condition with any side hustle is that you need to put in the right amount of time. You can't just tell yourself, "I'm gonna do it whenever I'm free." "Or when I have a couple hours on the weekend." No. In order for you to have any kind of traction and to be able to build something that actually makes you money and has the viability of making it your full-time thing, I believe you need to put in at least 15 hours a week. Now, that may sound like a lot, because most people, you know, work 40 hours a week. Where are they gonna get another 15 hours? Well, this is what I did when I was side hustling and when I was in my full-time teaching gig. I took Tuesdays and Thursdays after work. I would leave work and I would go into a coworking space.

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  And at that coworking space, I would do about three hours. So, three hours on Tuesday and three hours on Thursday. That's six hours. And then on Saturday, I did like nine hours, a long day. So it was like 15 hours. Yes, that meant I only had one day off for the weekend. But I was willing to sacrifice that one day a week, plus those evenings, for my future. And I was having fun. I enjoyed it. I loved the challenges and I learned so much in the process. And I met so many interesting people at those coworking spaces. But that's the first criteria, is you need to block out this time. You gotta see this as like a part-time job. Like, you can't just like quit on this job or not show up. You can't flake. That's why I like this idea of having dedicated time on your calendar and a place to go.

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  And if you don't wanna go to a coworking space, or maybe you can't afford one right now, you can go to the library, a public library. It's a very quiet, nice space with good internet. You can go to there. You can go to a cafe if, you know, if it's open, or a place that you can just get some work done. But the point I'm trying to make is that you have to see like you're clocking into your business.

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  I think the only thing I would say there is if anyone's feeling like 15 hours a lot, we know that some people have multiple jobs, family obligations. There might be a bit of resistance or pushback. So maybe like whatever's realistic for someone to like be honest and say, "Okay, I can carve out five hours for sure. That's not going to be too unrealistic." I think the point you're making is whether it's 15 or five hours is that you're committed to those hours and that you set it aside and you stick to that commitment.

• 8:47Speaker 04

  I don't agree with that. I just think that five hours is not enough. I don't five, five hours is just not enough for you to have a sustainable business. What do I mean by that? Because if I put five hours a week versus 15 hours a week, it's going to take you three times longer to see any results. And I would even argue it's going to take even longer because you don't have the power of momentum on compound interest of that time. So I really believe that willpower and the desire to succeed, it's not unlimited. You can't just be like, okay, I'm going to wait seven years for the side hustle to work out because I'm putting in five hours a week. You know, with 15 hours a week, you could start seeing some traction within the first few months and that's really important in the beginning. I really believe that even the tiniest wins in the beginning give you that motivation

• 9:32Speaker 04

  to keep going, to recommit, to spend more time, to spend more effort, to spend more money. You're going to spend money in this business. So in my honest opinion is that if you only have five hours a week, then you need to carve out some time somewhere. You need to figure out how you can cut out maybe some things that maybe you enjoy, like watching movies or Netflix or maybe times with friends or even if it's just a season, even if it's just like, I'm going to do for the next three months, I'm going to put 15 hours, you're going to see some results that are going to make you feel like those sacrifices are huge. Like, oh, I'm willing to sacrifice for these wins.

• 10:05Speaker 05

  And you'll get the traction. Okay. I asked the question, you've pushed back, that's good. And that's obviously you're speaking from experience. I know it's from experience. So sorry, five hours ain't going to cut it. Okay, that's no, that's fine. We need to, no, that's, that's what the honest truth is. That's, that's awesome. All right. So what's the next condition?

• 10:22Speaker 04

  I just want to piggyback on that. If you feel like, oh, I don't have that many hours, Omar, what am I going to do with, with this situation?

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  I'm really trying to think like if someone's really resisting, like they're going to come up with all the excuses.

• 10:34Speaker 04

  Which is great. And I think that they need to audit their time. You really do need to be honest with yourself and look at your calendar. If you don't have a calendar, a lot of people don't run their life on a calendar like we do. But if, ask yourself, what are you doing every hour of the day? Day, whether it's before you go to work in the morning, what time you get up after work, on the weekends, on holidays, on, you know, extended weekends, whatever it might be like, audit every single hour of your day and figure out, can I put in an hour here? Can I put 60 minutes concentrated? Is there a way for me to do some of my work or do some of my research while I'm doing something else? Like working out, maybe I could talk to chat GPT while I'm on the treadmill. There are ways to optimize this. Don't just dismiss the fact that I don't have a time.

• 11:18Speaker 04

  If you need something, if you have to make something happen, you will make time. This is my point.

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  Yeah.

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  And for me, I made the time. You think I wanted to do that after work? No, I was dead tired. I was a chair department at a university and I was going at work and it was dark and I was going home and it was dark. So like, my point is, is that the reason why I did it is because I wanted to get out of that situation. I wanted this future. I wanted to be an entrepreneur. I wanted to build a successful business. I was so hungry for it and I didn't want to lose. So I wanted to optimize my schedule and optimize my life to help me be as successful as possible.

• 11:52Speaker 05

  I love the passion and I think that first point, audit your time. That's a great step before any of this.

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  Yeah.

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  If you're considering it, that's a great exercise to do. Love it.

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• 12:45Speaker 05

  Let's get into condition number two then.

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  Before I get into condition number two, I just want to add this thing. When you put in those hours in your schedule, whatever it's like, like I did three hours after work and on the weekend. These time blocks where you're working on your business are sacred. You cannot be flexible with these hours. What does that mean? If this is a commitment you have to go to, like you have to go or you're going to be arrested. All right.

• 13:14Speaker 05

  How?

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  That's serious. Okay. What would you do in that situation? Well, you're going to tell the people around you. You're going to tell your family, you're going to tell your friends, you're going to people that you're going to see on a regular basis. Hey, I cannot do anything during this time. Do not schedule a dinner, a night out, movie time. If there's responsibilities I need to do, pick up kids, go to the, you know, to get some groceries, I have to work around this time. This is just like you going to a job where you can't just say, hey, I can't go to work. No, you have to go to these hours. They're non-negotiable and you will be tested. There will be times where people are going to be like, hey, you know, Mildred is coming in from town and she's only has these two nights and we have to have dinner. What are you going to do? When now that's when the rubber meets the road. When Mildred's in, Aunt Mildred's in and she wants to have dinner.

• 13:57Speaker 04

  And she's going to feel so upset if you don't go and it's time for you to work on your business that night. Are you going to sacrifice it? Are you going to tell Aunt Mildred, can I come a little later because this time I'm busy? Or can you, can we do breakfast instead? Is your business a priority? That's where the rubber meets the road.

• 14:13Speaker 05

  Love it. Okay, so audit the time and then also get people on board.

• 14:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:19Speaker 05

  And communicate as passionately as you have how serious you are about this business.

• 14:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:24Speaker 05

  For sure. That makes total sense. Makes total sense.

• 14:27Speaker 04

  Okay, condition number two. And we're going to condition number one. Condition number two is high profit margins. This is very important because you have a limited time. So you need to maximize how much money you keep with your business. A profit margin is basically the profit you make in your business. And I believe that when you're side hustling, your profit margins should be at least 50%. That means if you make revenue of, let's say, a thousand That your profit is at least $500 because you're going to need that profit to grow your business. Because there's only so much you can do in 15 hours. Eventually, you're going to need to hire somebody. You're going to need to get some part-time help. You might use one of our sponsors like Upwork.

• 15:09Speaker 04

  And the reason why I mentioned Upwork as our sponsors because we've been using it for over a decade. I used it when I was side hustling where I couldn't afford a full-time hire. And you're going to need to reinvest. So this is why you need to make a certain profit margin that makes it sustainable for your business. Otherwise, it's not going to make sense for you. And let me give you some math. I wrote down this math, so I don't mess it up. Let's say, for example, your profit margins are 20% and you want to make $2,000 a month. Let's say that's your goal for your side hustle. In order for you to make $2,000 a month with 20% profit margin, that means you need to make $10,000 in revenue. That might mean having like more than a few clients, five, six, seven clients, whatever your business is, whatever your product is.

• 15:51Speaker 04

  But you need to make $10,000 in revenue to make $2,000 in profit. But if your profit margin is, let's say, more than 50%, let's say it's 80%. Let's just aim for something that's really good. If you want to make $2,000 a month, all you need to make in revenue is 2,500. That's how math is mathing. Okay, that's how it works. And this is why this is so important because that means you only need a client or two to make your goal. And the more money you keep, like I mentioned, the more money that you get to reward yourself for your hard work, but also reinvest in your business.

• 16:26Speaker 05

  A 50% profit margin, that's generally considered quite high, isn't it? So you're really saying this at that early stage of side hustle versus like, okay, once I've fully launched my business, maybe those profit margins might fluctuate. But I guess you can answer that question. Is that generally quite high? But the other question that I have for you is how do I know if I'm starting out that I'm going to even achieve those profit margins? Is there a way I can test it?

• 16:52Speaker 04

  100%. I mean, everything when it comes to margins can be researched before you even sell a certain product. So, for example, if I'm in the t-shirt business and I'm selling graphic tees, I can find out how much it's going to cost me to make this t-shirt. How much does it cost me to make one t-shirt versus 10 t-shirts versus 1,000 t-shirts versus 10,000 t-shirts? You know, volume, there's discounts. But you're going to understand what your profit margin is going to be. And you have to include all the expenses that you have in order for you to deliver this t-shirt, whether it's the packaging and the delivery and the customer service and all that kind of stuff. You want to make sure that those margins are 50% or higher. Now, the reason why I say 50% or higher, by the way, it depends on the market. 50% is not a lot in software. Like, there are software businesses that make 90, 95,

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  97% profit margins. Because at scale, they do very well. Because they create a product once, and then they resell it over and over again to allow people to have access to. A physical example of this is like a gym, right? The gym exists once and they just resell it over and over. Now, a gym has a capacity. They can't, it's not infinity. They can't have a million people in that gym. Because there's only a certain amount of people that can fit in the gym at a certain time. But, the point is, is that you should know ahead of time by researching. Generally, physical products, physical products have lower margins. Because there is a physical cost to creating that product every time you make the cost. Every time you have to sell that product. So, for example, if you're creating a pair

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  of jeans, or you're creating a car, for example, every time I sell that car, I need to create a car, right? But for a book, for example, especially if like an ebook, you create it once, it's digital, and it lives in the cloud, and people can just download it and pay for it. And you don't need to recreate the book. A physical book is a different story. You need to reprint it. But the work involved of creating a book is done once.

• 18:43Speaker 05

  Yes. And so it's pretty easy, I suppose, with a physical product, to cost out everything and then figure out, like, okay, what am I going to make in addition to my time that I'm going to be spending?

• 18:51Speaker 04

  Right.

• 18:51Speaker 05

  And obviously, if it's a digital product, then yeah, the profit margins are definitely going to be much higher there.

• 18:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, and the other thing is that people sleep on services. Services are, quote unquote, they're not digital products, but they're not physical products either. People spend a lot of money to get something done. When I was starting out, my first full-time business was creating websites for our clients. Remember that? And I was building websites for bloggers, and bloggers were the first influencers. But when I was creating these websites, I thought like I was charging a lot of money at $5,000. Then I met other people creating websites for $50,000 and $100,000. And then I read this article that, you know, I think some big Fortune 500 just did a rebrand, and their website cost them like $1.5 million. I was like, what? $5,000 is nothing. So it's all relative.

• 19:40Speaker 04

  It depends on who you're offering this service to, their needs, their budget, all that kind of stuff, how price sensitive they are. So services are a great place for you to have a high-margin business as well.

• 19:50Speaker 05

  Okay, all right. That sounds good. So definitely consider your profit margin to make the side hustle worth going into.

• 19:57Speaker 04

  Exactly. And just to recap real quick, high-margin businesses are like digital products, software, communities, online courses, coachings, all the things I just mentioned that scale up very well. Low-margin products are like things like food, physical products, things that will have a cost involved every time you need to produce it. I just want to also mention one more thing. So say, for example, your dream is to create healthy meals that get delivered to people at their door. Okay? That's a great idea and a good dream to have. But I really would encourage you to think a little bit broader and think, hey, maybe I can be in the same space and start my first business so I can make some money and learn about business and scale in that space.

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  But maybe I don't have to sell actual physical food. I can sell recipes. I could sell advice. I could create content around this area of eating healthy and become an authority there. And then, once I build my audience and I made some traction and I maybe made some money through consulting or coaching, I can then use that momentum and that leverage and that audience I built to sell my meals. My point is, is that like, make it a little bit easy on yourself with a higher profit margin business, at least for your first business. Let's take a quick break from this convo just to let everybody know that we have an upcoming episode that I don't want them to miss. So please, please, please subscribe. This is for your benefit so that you don't miss this episode. You get the episode automatically.

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  This episode is all about how to set your prices in your business so that you hit that million dollar in revenue mark in your business. You want to make a million dollars a year? How do you set your prices to get there and how to reverse engineer it? We recently recorded this episode and we can't wait to release it. It's coming out soon. Hit subscribe so you don't miss it. All right, let's move into condition number three. And I actually think this is the most important condition. And it's all about what's in your head. It's your mindset in building your side hustle. And we talked about, I really love this word because you really should be building something that will be your full-time thing. And you really should see this period where you're putting those 15 hours a week or more, if you have more time, as a chance

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  for you to validate your business idea, a chance for you to get traction, a chance for you to get some sales and learn about your customer and see it as the beginning of your full-time business.

• 22:17Speaker 05

  If you put yourself in your mind back when you started your side hustle, where was your thinking? Or how did you perceive like those early days and where this was going?

• 22:28Speaker 04

  Well, the reason why I share this advice is because at the start, I wasn't thinking that way. I was thinking about, I'd just like make a few bucks on the side. I was thinking, I'm not sure if I'm good at this business thing yet. Let me just experiment and not really go all in. I was kind of dipping my toe into the pool. And I felt that the side hustles or the businesses that actually did well were the ones that I really had the vision for being my only thing. Like, I'm going to quit my job for this business. Here's the reality, and we talk about this all the time, that part-time efforts will give you part-time results. I know that's harsh to hear, but you have to understand that whatever business you're building on the side right now, you are competing with people that are doing this full-time. People are putting in 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 hours a week into this thing,

• 23:13Speaker 04

  building a team, growing it, scaling it, dumping money. Some people are getting funding. Real about this like you can't make this a successful business that competes with these businesses forever. If you're only putting 15 hours, that's just the reality of it. So you want to grow it to a point where you have validation. And a good way to validate to say, hey, this is actually has some legs is to say like, what's your goal with this business in terms of like revenue? How much money do you want to make? How much profit you want to make? So say, for example, like this was, this is what I was doing. I, I thought, okay. I want to be able to keep $10,000 a month in order for me to have $10,000 a month in my bank every single month to get deposited.

• 23:54Speaker 04

  What do I have to do? Well, if I have 50% margins, I need to make $20,000 a year. I'm sorry, $20,000 a month. That way I keep 10,000. So what does that mean? Well, it means that if I am putting in 15 hours, let's just call that half time of what a full-time effort would be, like full-time effort is 40 hours or so, but let's just be a little bit conservative and say that's half the time that I would spend in a normal business. Well, that means I need to make at least $10,000 in revenue with my 15 hours. In order for it to equal $20,000 in revenue with 30, 40 hours. So if it hit that mark, I know, hey, there's a good chance if I put in all my time and all my effort, all my focus, all my attention. I'm going to be able to make this my full-time thing.

• 24:39Speaker 05

  So you're looking for those early signs or setting those goals early on.

• 24:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:43Speaker 05

  Pretty quickly and consistently to give you the sense that yes, I'm on the right track. Yeah. You don't want to be spending, I think we'll come back to Mandi's question. How long do I want to be spending in this side hustle mode? Starting and stopping and really giving myself the chance to get those wins to know that I'm heading in the right direction. Would you say that's fair?

• 25:03Speaker 04

  That is fair. And I just saw it as like the finish line, like, like I'm going to get to quit my job. Once I hit this revenue mark, because then I know there's a good chance that I can be able to survive with that kind of revenue. If I put in full-time effort, I think one of the biggest myths in side hustles is this idea of like, I'm going to just make some money on the side. They kind of see it as like a part-time job, like I'm putting in the X amount of hours, I'm going to get X amount of money. And I'm just going to grow my side hustle. My whole thing is I just want to make an extra, you know, fifteen hundred dollars a month or two thousand dollars a month and I'll just do that and just continue to make that much money every single month. This is a big myth because that's just not how business works. Like in business, you're either growing or you're dying. You can't just be like hit a milestone and be like,

• 25:47Speaker 04

  okay, I'm just gonna maintain this milestone. That's just not how business works.

• 25:51Speaker 05

  You're not training yourself for the reality, I suppose, because that could probably last for a little bit, but you're not training yourself for what the reality of full-time entrepreneurship and long-term businesses, how they actually operate, which is not this like, let's just stay at this level of profit or level of revenue. It's got to constantly be moving in.

• 26:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, you gotta be moving forward. You gotta be growing or unfortunately you're gonna see your business start tanking. It's just, there's no stasis in business. So you have to just think about, okay, once I hit a certain level, what's the next move? The next move is putting in more time and making it your full-time thing. That's the next move. And then after that, once it's your full-time thing and you hit a certain level, like, well, this is all I can do by myself and I have to start hiring. What happens when I hire one person, two people, three people, four people? What happens when I start leveraging with technology? What happens when I start building a media team around me so I can start leveraging media to grow my business? This is what I mean by like, you have to start scaling your business, start moving up the levels of business. You know, you just can't play the same level over and over in this game, right?

• 26:51Speaker 04

  You just can't do that and hit the reset button. You have to continue to grow or the business will collapse.

• 26:56Speaker 05

  The harsh truth, but yeah, we've seen it.

• 26:59Speaker 04

  It's a harsh truth and you could see it really at the other side of the spectrum, like at scale, like companies like Amazon, for example, like they're mammoth companies, huge companies that have grown to monopolies really. And the truth is, is that like Jeff Bezos really doesn't have a choice. Like he has to grow or he will die or his competition will get eaten alive. This has happened over and over again. You could see the story of Walmart. Walmart was like Amazon before Amazon. And Walmart ate everybody's lunch and closed down a bunch of stores in the US like Caldo or Bradleys and Kmart even really was affected by it. And that's because that's how competition works. That's how the marketplace works.

• 27:42Speaker 05

  Got it. Okay, let's bring it home for Mandeeb and for everyone else who's in this situation.

• 27:47Speaker 04

  Yeah. So to recap for Mandeeb and everybody else who's listening, this is my honest opinion. This is what I know works. If you know a better way, please tell me, but this is what I know works. You need to put in at least, condition number one, you need to put in at least 15 hours a week. And you need to use, see those hours as sacred. You can't break those promises to yourself. Make sure you have a dedicated place to go to, to work on those, on your business for those 15 hours. The second condition is profit margins. You want to make sure your profit margin is at least 50% for this business so that you could start to scale, grow, reinvest and see enough traction for you to be able to want to quit your job and make it your full-time thing. And the third thing is, like I said, the mindset of your side hustle is just a validation stage.

• 28:31Speaker 04

  It's a stage for you to see yourself as like, hey, this is when I'm going to see if this business has traction. Eventually, this is going to be my full-time thing. This is not something I'm going to do forever. As a part-time gig for 15 hours, it's going to be the thing I do 100% of my hours.

• 28:47Speaker 05

  I love that. And that speaks, that last point, the way you phrased it now speaks to Mandeeb, who's asking this question. And to me, the fact that he's asking this question after a year means that he hasn't given up. And I think one of the things we probably haven't talked about is that persistence. Persistence is that thing that's going to carry you through the journey. It's going to be the raw material, the foundation that you'll need to keep going, whether your business changes or you pivot and, you know, from all the lessons that you learn. So I just think that what we've been able to provide is, in answer to Mandeeb's question, is the structure around it to how to think about,

• 29:26Speaker 05

  okay, this is my stage right now, these are the conditions that I need, and that persistence is what's going to keep me going.

• 29:34Speaker 04

  100%. And if I want to put this into one question for everybody who is watching and listening, the question is, do you really want this? Do you actually want to be a full-time business owner, to be an entrepreneur? Because if you do, you will find a way to make this happen. And you can think of countless examples in your own life. You know, there's people that go to night school so they can get their degree. And it's really tough, but they want that degree so they can get a better job. People want to be a parent. They have a child and they make time to take care of their child and change the diapers and feed them. You know, because this is a priority for them. So if this is a priority, you will make it happen. Only you can answer that question if it's a priority, if you actually want this.

• 30:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, and I feel like for Mandeep, since he's sent in this question, I think he will make the time. And this is a priority for him.

• 30:24Speaker 04

  We believe in you, Mandeep.

• 30:25Speaker 05

  We're wishing him the best. Well, loved your passion, loved all those conditions and those insights. And I'm here to, you know, ask the questions that you'd be asking Omar if you were right next to him. If you've got a question that you want Omar to answer, go to 100mba.net/ q, submit your question and Omar's gonna pick it up and we'll answer here on Q and A Wednesdays.

• 30:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, and if you want to continue learning, we have a recent episode that we published where I share my whole story about quitting my job and going full-time as an entrepreneur and starting a business. If you want to get into that episode, just scroll back on whatever app platform you're on right now, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, it's called that. How to Quit Your Job and Start a Business: My Exact Blueprint. So go ahead and check it out. Thanks so much for being here today and being part of the show. We'll continue to publish these episodes to help you along your journey. Thanks for being here.

• 31:17Speaker 05

  See you next time.

• 31:20Speaker 04

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