Are Iranian Sleeper Cells Already in the U.S.? | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

We break down the growing fears of Iranian sleeper cells in the U. S. and whether the threat is real or overblown. The conversation covers how Iran and Hezbollah actually operate, the difference between lone wolves and organized networks, and what capability really looks like. We also dive into U. S. force movements, the Strait of Hormuz, and the challenges of dealing with Iran’s nuclear program. The High Side :⬇️ https://thehighside.substack.com/ Jack's new book⬇️ https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/803651/the-most-dangerous-man-by-jack-murphy/ Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Subscribe to our new newsletter!!!! https://teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join Whitefish Security Summit ⬇️ https://whitefishsecuritysummit.com/ New merch, patches, and stickers! ⬇️ https://theteamhouse-shop.fourthwall.com Check out Mick's new podcast here:⬇️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/pub-and-porch-applied-stoicism/id1836955475 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1k3QPmkAMwnGJxMLDwUSSd?si=n6piIu8XRcag1Z0K43A3bQ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCd0Hq6QFk8CoTu5j-VU0Ong Find Mick Mulroy here: Fogbow ⬇️ https://fogbow.com/ Lobo Institute ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ Twitter ⬇️ https://x.com/mickmulroy?s=21&t=-Ze3F_Ix2vlJ18KFvORTCA LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/mickmulroy.bsky.social Mick’s publications ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/publications/publications-of-michael-mick-patrick-mulroy/ Find Marc P here: https://x.com/Mpolymer Find Andy Milburn here: Twitter ⬇️ https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 Substack ⬇️ https://amilburn.substack.com/ Andy’s book ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/andy-milburn.bsky.social Find Jason Lyons here: LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-lyons-666873316?u Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/bgsilverback73.bsky.social "Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio" 00:00 Iran Strikes & Sleeper Cell Panic 01:58 Are Iranian Sleeper Cells Real? 05:45 Why Most Terror Plots Fail 10:30 Lone Wolves vs Real Threats 16:49 The Myth of “Sleeper Cells” 23:20 U. S. Moves Forces to the Gulf 47:52 The Iran Nuclear Problem Explained Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 1:25Speaker 02

  Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics, a midweek episode. It's been busy around here, so might as well do an extra episode a week. We have Jack Murphy for our resident Irishman, so Happy St. Patrick's Day to everybody who celebrates. Jonathan Hackett and Andy Milburn. Lot going on, as usual. We just saw, just like update, like terms of news. We saw the Defense Ministry get smoked in Iran yesterday or last night, I guess. They confirmed it.

• 1:59Speaker 02

  We have a bunch of news actually that happened and we didn't talk about this beforehand, but we just saw Joe Kent, the, he's like head of CT. Um, resign and say because of the Iran war and that Israel basically uh. Dog walked us in. Um, I really wanted to talk about because I've seen it like popping up in the press and like actually talking to like regular people that are like all, a lot of people are worried about like a possible like Iranian sleeper cell attack or. Or Hezbollah sleeper cell attack. And I wanted to talk to the experts to see like what the actual like, i- is it actually possible? Is there a real threat? Um, we've seen a couple.

• 2:39Speaker 02

  Three actually attacks, one in a synagogue that was a Lebanese person whose, whose family died. He rammed into the synagogue and killed a few people. Um, we also saw the tech, the Austin shooter and the uh, what was the, what fort was he at? What? There's another guy too that shot up a bunch of people and then the cadets stabbed them.

• 3:01Speaker 03

  Uh, Old Dominion University in Norfolk.

• 3:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, there you go. So we've seen like these lone wolves. As far as we know, it's a lone wolf attack, not like these organized where they could trace it back to like. A sleeper cell, you know. Iranian intelligence or Hezbollah. So I have the experts here. So you guys tell me how? How much uh, how at risk are we? In the United States?

• 3:24Speaker 03

  I can go first if you want. So I, I was a counterintelligence agent. This is exactly the kind of stuff we look at both inside the US and against our allies and partners as well. And counterintelligence always looks through the eyes of the adversary, which we call red. To understand the red's perception of blue, which is the friendly forces. So in this situation, you know, I'm looking through the eyes of Hezbollah to think about how do they want to do stuff inside this country? And they have people here. They have ideas. They have, you know, goals that they want to achieve, but there's a missing ingredient for any threat and that is capability. So they could have intent all day long. They can dream about these big plans, but if they don't have the capability to do it, it's very low threat.

• 4:03Speaker 03

  Right? So that, that's what we're always looking for from the exploitation side, the neutralization side, as far as counterintelligence is concerned, that's what the FBI is going to be looking at right now is. Okay, they have the intent, not much we can do about that. You can't kill an idea. But we can reduce capability on their side, or we can look at the things they might be interested in and get ahead of them. So that when they go try to use those capabilities, they don't work out the way they expected them to. This is kind of a basic level to look at this, this picture. When we talk about sleeper cells, it's important to define, what does that mean? Because like you mentioned, D, there, there might be an inspired lone wolf that just doesn't attack. That's not a sleeper cell. Sleeper cell like, but definitely is a much deeper, long-term thing. Where the person was sent there way ahead of time with a very simple, uh, mission statement.

• 4:46Speaker 03

  And they remain quiet and integrated into the community, working in that community like a normal person for a long time, until they receive some form of activation to do whatever it is the task was that they were sent there to do. That means that's years, many years in some cases, that they have to be doing this. The mission has to be very simple, because things will change over time. And if you give them too detailed of a mission, that mission might not even exist. That capability might not exist in the future when they're activated. And that's important to think about now, because this is kind of a black swan situation where the way the US and Israel are attacking Iran, that's very difficult to predict when and how that would have happened. It could have just been something like, if there is a war in Iran, do X. It might be something this, this simple. And the individual that is a sleeper would not be sent there alone. They wouldn't know the others in the network, but they would, they would not be alone.

• 5:32Speaker 03

  And this means there's compartmentalization that has to happen, and there has to be a handler overhead that's actually helping to coordinate the activities of these individuals. So that introduces another layer of complexity. And we have seen how Iran has done things in the United States in the past, and also compared to other countries, it's very different than how they operate in the United States. I can get into official and non-official activities they've done, especially using business cover for, you know, commercial activity cover for what they're doing in the United States. But on, on the whole, they've been pretty amateur in the United States. It's not because they just suck. It's because their capability level, like I mentioned earlier, is low. For a variety of reasons. Not least of which is it's difficult for a handler to get to the United States, which means they typically have to communicate over distance through phones or other electronic means, or through non,

• 6:18Speaker 03

  non-personal communications, like leaving notes somewhere or something like this. That's a limitation on their capability. It's a limitation on what they can actually achieve when they're here. The other problem is money. They're not part of the SWIFT banking system they have invented since 2018. So they either have to use a hoala or some kind of other activity to conceal the origin of the money they're using to pay for these activities. There is an example in 2011 where there it was around $250,000. They were trying to pay to a cartel member to give a weapon to a gentleman in Texas who was supposed to go assassinate the Saudi ambassador in Washington DC. The cartel member said, hey, I'm a cartel guy. I'm going to go tell the DEA that this is going on because I don't want to be involved in Iran. And that's actually how the US found out about that, which is kind of interesting. And that was a very expensive operation that just evaporated because the capability was so

• 7:03Speaker 03

  low. I'll stop there at that kind of, you know, functional level and we can talk more about it. But that's how I would kind of like set the frame around this discussion.

• 7:09Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I think that's a great frame too, John. The question of capability is so important. And another example I would make to people that demonstrates where there was a capability, a surprising capability even, was when the Russians began the full-scale invasion of Ukraine and these sabotage cells suddenly activated across Russia. You saw military infrastructure, oil infrastructure, really across the breadth of the country going up in flames. So there was an intelligence or intelligent entity or entities that absolutely had a capability. I mean, they had the people in place, but they had the capability, meaning there was pre-planned targets, targeting packets were done up, and there were cache

• 7:54Jack Murphy?

  site locations full of explosives. And those cells were activated through some sort of covert communications method or COVCOM. So that's one example of, you know, where where you see a capability doesn't come out of nowhere. So when you see a bunch of strikes like that happening, it lends itself to the the safe assumption that there is an intelligent entity behind this. It's not lone wolves. It's not, you know, it's not, um, Just dissident groups, I mean dissident groups don't come out of nowhere with a capability like that. It takes them time to evolve and find their way with those things. So that's one interesting example to look at. The other, I was mentioning to John before the show was

• 8:38Jack Murphy?

  the, and we get into a little bit in detail, but the book Burn Bomb Destroy about the German sleeper cells that were here during World War I, conducting acts of sabotage, also quite amateurish, but it evolved over time and they used incendiary devices, probably not that different than the stuff that the cells in Russia used, you know, 100 years later, to destroy ships, you know, ships that were on their way to Europe. And when it really got effective, again, this, this question of capability was when you're using sleepers, you're using a surrogate force or something of this nature. I've had a CIA

• 9:19Jack Murphy?

  officer describe it to me because he tried to, he did do this in Afghanistan. He's like, imagine trying to play pool and you're sitting on top of overturned trash can 10 feet away from the pool table and you got like three cues that are like duct taped together and you're like trying to like hit the, hit the ball and knock the eight ball in the corner pocket. It's like, that's kind of what you're trying to do. The further away from it you are, the harder it becomes to control those operations. With the German case, you know, they became effective once they got a no shit German intelligence officer into the country to start coordinating and running some of that stuff. And then that brings us to more

• 9:59Jack Murphy?

  current situation with Iran and are there sleeper cells in the United States? Just a couple of things to tag on to what John already illuminated there. There's one case back in the 1990s, I decided to look it up to get the name right. It was Captain Will Rogers III, the skipper of the USS Vincennes in San Diego. There was a bomb found in his van and to this day, I don't think it's ever been fully explained what that was about. There's thoughts in the intelligence community, or there has been over the years that that was an Iranian plot. But the Iranians also whack people globally. I mean, they're, they're

• 10:42Jack Murphy?

  not like cautious about that. There is an Iranian op in Just saying in Europe that the bomb didn't go off, but when they deconstructed it, it was a very advanced bomb. It shocked a lot of people in the security community in Europe. So the Iranians don't have a lot of hesitation with this sort of stuff. But now, you know, are these cells in the United States? And I think, I think we have some pretty good proof that they aren't, that those cells just don't exist. After the Soleimani strike, you would have expected something to have cooked off. And now we're, you know, bombing the hell out of Iran and fixing to do potentially a ground invasion.

• 11:25Jack Murphy?

  I mean, if the Iranians are not activating those cells now, then explain to me what the trigger is. Because they're already in an existential crisis right now. I mean, they're not going to topple easily, but if not now, then when? That's, that would be my question. And I think that's sort of the counterfactual. You could look at this to try to determine if these cells even exist. I would say they probably don't. However, there are people in this country. They could be lone wolves, they could be, you know, support agents, people who are sympathetic towards the Iranian regime, who take action on their own. Or maybe a direction from, you know, back, back in Iran. One thing that I was told about just yesterday is a bunch of suspicious packages

• 12:10Jack Murphy?

  have been showing up at MacDill Air Force Base, directed towards CENTCOM, Central Command. The FBI is investigating this, they're involved. I have not heard that an actual bomb has turned up yet. But I mean, this could even just be a psychological operation to send packages that look like bombs to just, you know, get people on the base, you know, cautious or afraid. And so we'll see what happens with that.

• 12:38Jack Murphy?

  I don't know, what's, uh, John, is there anything I'm missing here that you'd like to elaborate on?

• 12:44Speaker 03

  I just want to like kind of pull on a thread that you mentioned. You mentioned sabotage and a couple of things like this. And again, from that counterintelligence framework, so there are four types of attacks we'd be looking for from a potential sleeper element like you're mentioning. And those attacks would be against certain types of targets, right? Because you're trying to achieve some objective by doing this thing. The four types of targets are persons, organizations, installations, and then people generally. And there's a specific type of attack that targets each one of these. So for example, attacks against persons are typically espionage related. Attacks against organizations are subversion related. Then against installations, sabotage. Then against people or other things to get terrorism as that kind of catch all at the end. But when we're trying to protect against these things to reduce that capability I was talking about.

• 13:28Speaker 03

  You know, like you mentioned, it might be a lone wolf or even a person in contact with some Quds Force guy overseas. They could have that intent all day long, but if we can actually go after the persons, organizations and installations to defend those, those categories. We can more precisely protect them. So even if the adversary had some really good intent. And maybe even a little bit of capability, the target suddenly becomes too hard to strike and they're going to have to flow around it and go somewhere else. So this is kind of the thing we look at when we're trying to preemptively neutralize these activities is evaluating our own installations like MacDill Air Force Base. For example, we'd be thinking about how do vehicles get in out of base? How do packages, you know, go around here? Like where are the cameras? All these things to get these things already ahead of time. So if something like this comes up. The person approaching their vehicle already understands how to evaluate their vehicle before getting into it.

• 14:12Speaker 03

  Due to heightened threat environment situations, for example. So these are the things to keep in the back of the mind as a person evaluating what are these actual threats and what is the actual capability? And I'll mention the Bojanka plot, which was a pre al Qaeda type plot in the 1990s that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. And some others were planning to bring a bunch of aircraft and crash them into buildings, which sounds a lot like September 11th. But this was before September 11th. The reason they weren't able to do that, they had a really good plan, excellent ideas and a lot of intent. But they had almost no capability to do it. It wasn't until later on that they actually shifted their operations to be able to have the capability. Years later in 2001 to actually execute such a threat with the capability required to do it.

• 14:54Speaker 03

  And I only highlight that because the intent didn't change the entire time. What did change was their ability and the opportunity to do that attack.

• 15:03Jack Murphy?

  Just one more thing I'd like to touch upon here with the nature of sleeper cells, potentially, especially sleeper cells from an authoritarian regime that are placed undercover in a country like the United States. There were a few, the Soviets didn't have as many as we probably thought they did, but at the end of the Cold War, it was revealed that they did have some sleeper agents. In Milt Bearden's book, The Main Enemy, he talks about one of them, a Czech guy, who they had placed in the United States. And after the wall came down, I think, I believe he came forward, if I remember correctly, and he had just integrated into the community. Like, he had a family, he had like, kid playing in Little League baseball and this

• 15:46Jack Murphy?

  sort of stuff, and he was like, "Yeah, I have like this trunk of like rusty military gear in my basement, if you guys want to come get it, like, I don't give a fuck." And I think this is a problem too with that a country like Iran would have. You send sleepers to the United States, when they're here for a prolonged period of time, building their cover and building their capabilities, unless they are the most hardcore ideological dude, they are gonna start finding a woman, they're gonna get a job, they're gonna have kids, the kids are gonna get into school, and then when that activation code finally comes 30 years later, they're like, "Do I really want to like screw up my whole life

• 16:28Jack Murphy?

  here and end up in a supermax for the rest of my, rest of my days? Because this authoritarian regime that doesn't give a shit about me wants me to go and kill a bunch of innocent people?" So I think that's another dynamic that comes into play when you're trying to use sleeper agents.

• 16:45Speaker 03

  Actually, Jack, on that, so even not just sleeper agents, but embassy personnel from these countries, I was doing a lot of work in North Africa out of the US embassies there, and there was, there were a few North Korean diplomats that, in the countries that have North Korean embassies there in Northwest Africa, those diplomats are not allowed to return back to Pyongyang, ever. They have to rotate around the embassies in Northwest Africa because the government, authoritarian government, is worried about the exposure they've had to things like alcohol and parties and restaurants and freedom, even in Northwest Africa, to the extent that they will not allow them to return back, to be, to rotate back to the mainland.

• 17:22Jack Murphy?

  That's crazy. What I'd heard is that the embassy personnel from North Korea have to travel around in threes.

• 17:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, we call it the Troika.

• 17:32Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, to make it impossible for the agency for CIA to recruit them.

• 17:36Speaker 03

  We had the same thing with the Chinese as well. When I was on the Defense Attache staff, the Russians would always come in a pair, in a group of three, the Troika. The Chinese would always be in a group of three, and we wouldn't interact with the North Koreans, but they also would, and so would the Iranians, because they know themselves. The government knows that this is gonna happen.

• 17:52Jack Murphy?

  Right. It's this like mutually assured destruction, everyone spying on everyone else.

• 17:57Speaker 03

  Even going to the bathroom. They had to go to the bathroom in threes at any events that we were at.

• 18:03Jack Murphy?

  It's wild.

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• 18:06Speaker 02

  Andy, Andy, restart what you were saying. I apologize. You were muted.

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  Am I muted now?

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  Do you customarily mute me during these?

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• 18:18Speaker 05

  Oh, okay. All right. Yeah. So, you know, going, getting back to Iran, though, I mean, I think, and John, you know way more about this than I do, but, you know, this term sleeper cell sounds sexy. It's, it evokes Hollywood. It evokes that mini series, you know, the Netflix, I think it's a Netflix mini series about Russian sleeper cells. But I think it's fair to say, I mean, that's not the way the Iranians operate. They can't afford to operate that way. As you know, as Jack pointed out, what put a cell into the United States and with the instructions to, to act if a war comes, you know, if war occurs, I mean, neither

• 18:59Speaker 05

  Kusovs nor Hezbollah has that kind of resources, although, and that's just not that modus operandi, right? I mean, they plan for specific operations and they insert people for those operations, but they don't, they don't send people to the United States for two or three decades and have them integrate in American society, apply for green cards and, and residence, all of this, just on the contingency that something might happen. And, and I think, you know, although it's a, it. There's another factor to this, right, or the gain, I mean, although this is a super sexy topic that's likely to get everyone's attention, if you are planning this from an Iranian perspective, domestic attacks within the United States are actually a relatively

• 19:44Speaker 05

  hard target. You've got plenty of softer targets spread out across not just Middle East, but globally. US interests overseas, diplomatic missions, military bases, as we've seen, you know, even military bases that should be hardened in the Middle East are still subject to attack from the Iranians where they can cause casualties without all the planning and everything else involved and putting action cells within the US. So, you know, I'd say that there's just no chance, I mean, very little chance of a Hollywood sleeper cell type scenario. And what we've seen historically is small targeted networks,

• 20:26Speaker 05

  you know, that are put in for a specific mission. And we've, the other thing is, I think we've kind of conflated, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on this, John, Iranian, direct Iranian action, which would be QAS Force, right, which is Iran's external operations arm, IRGCs, and proxies like Hezbollah. Hezbollah does have an overseas, you know, a section that's focused on overseas operations, and I forget what it's called, it's like the IJIO or something, John, you probably know that. Islamic Jihad Organization. Yeah, but they, but as far as, I mean, there was an attempted attack on the Saudi

• 21:11Speaker 05

  ambassador right back in 2011. But aside from that, we've seen mainly, you know, fundraising, logistics, procurement, that's kind of the things that they focus on mostly, and integration with criminal networks in the Western Hemisphere. That's a great point, actually. So it just seems to me, I'm sorry, it just seems to me just...

• 21:32Speaker 03

  Go ahead, John. I was just gonna mention the financial thing you're talking about. So Latin America, in particular, Brazil, for example, has 6 million Lebanese people. There's almost as many Lebanese people in Brazil as there are in Lebanon. And many of them are either Drus or Shia descendants from Lebanese diaspora. And Hezbollah's main source of money, even though the regime pays them a lot of money, their main source of money is drug sales. And a lot of those drugs are from South America, especially cocaine being sold in Africa. And Dakar, Senegal, is the main entry point into all the entire continent of Africa from Latin America, which is a Hezbollah-controlled throughway. And actually, in Dakar, Senegal, there's a big Hezbollah problem. And there's actually an Iranian embassy right down the street from the Hezbollah house that they live in. Our team house was across the street from where the Hezbollah

• 22:16Speaker 03

  house was when I was there. And it's a very interesting little microcosm of what they're trying to do to fund themselves. And part of the reason they have this Islamic Jihad organization, even though the name of it sounds like an ideological thing, is actually more of a force protection asset to protect the money and drugs moving back and forth between these nodes to make sure that people aren't gonna steal it or, you know, do something to it so they can bring it to the Middle East. Saudi Arabia is a huge purchaser of these drugs. So was Syria. We had a thing in Lebanon when I was there where we had an aircraft that was a Saudi Prince aircraft that was full of ecstasy pills that Hezbollah had manufactured. And this Prince was selling them. And we found it on his aircraft, even though it was dip plated or dip noted. And these drug networks require a lot of strong

• 22:58Speaker 03

  arm muscle, including these overseas operatives who may be trained to protect the stuff, but could also be activated in turn to do other things like we were talking about earlier. They could do sabotage. They could do subversion. They could conduct terrorism if they need to, especially because they have these networks that can already move in between in and out of between these different countries, especially into Latin America.

• 23:16Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, we just, I was in Dakar in like 2013. Have a nice new embassy we just built there. Right in the coastline. Significant, significant Lebanese population in that country.

• 23:27Speaker 05

  But I would guess, I don't know, I would guess Hezbollah's external operations capability is likely being degraded compared to about a decade ago. I mean, largely because of, I mean, Syria used to be a key hub for moving people and equipment, and of course, that environment's become much more contested. And Hezbollah has its own problems on its hands in Lebanon itself. You know, I just, again, it just seems to me a far-fetched, but, but attention-grabbing topic that has surfaced without any foundation in, in, in, in fact, right?

• 24:09Speaker 05

  I'm not, I'm not dismissing the risk, and of course, it's always a risk.

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• 26:07Speaker 05

  But minimal compared to real risks facing us, right? Like the collapse of the global economy and continued attacks on US forces and interests and related interests overseas.

• 26:27Jack Murphy?

  So, I mean, I don't know if we're ready to shift gears, but I'd love to hear you two guys opine about the Mew on its way to the Persian Gulf.

• 26:36Speaker 05

  I was waiting for John to kick it off. But I'm happy to do so.

• 26:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, this has been one of the most important developments, or perhaps not the most, but my attention-grabbing developments in the last week is the movement of a Marine Expeditionary Unit, the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit out of Okinawa, a garden spot, as those who've spent any time there know.

• 27:10Speaker 05

  And why is that important? Well, 31st Mew has actually a lower level of capability than the Mews that are based out of the United States. You know, I'm not saying that it's been known as a security corporation, right? I'm going to get beaten up by 31st Mew guys for saying that, but it's definitely a lower level of capabilities.

• 27:35Speaker 05

  My point is it's an odd choice if you are indeed planning to conduct raids. It wouldn't necessarily, I, you know, wouldn't be my first choice of, uh, of Mew. It's a forward deployed amphibious landing force, but it's very small. You'll hear a lot of talk about 2,000 Marines and, but actually those who go ashore is probably nearer 1,200, which is relatively very small. So, you know, I think if they do go ashore, um, it's going to be very quick. They're going to hit specific targets, uh, raids and then withdraw. They're not going to invade Iran, which is what I've seen, you know? And that's the problem, right?

• 28:16Speaker 05

  You hear talk about ground force and people don't understand the nuances of this, certainly the, the general public. So marine expedition units, I mentioned about 2,000 Marines, amphibious ships, typically three or five. They have helicopters, uh, tilt rotor aircraft, limited aviation support and, and it's primarily for raids, crisis response.

• 28:41Speaker 05

  Straits of Hormuz, potentially, uh, targeted raids within the Straits of Hormuz, the, uh, the islands there.

• 28:53Speaker 05

  Because, uh, because as we've seen, you know, you can't, there's a couple of problems with the air campaign. And I mean, there are certain things that you, that are, as we've, we've found out, hard to destroy, locate and destroy missile launchers being one of them. Drones, uh, fast attack boats can be, uh, can be hidden coastal radar, um, and, and mines. You know, all these things can be, can be moved around quite easily. And although we've seen very optimistic projections about what we've destroyed, the real truth is, as anyone who, who's dealt with battle damage assessment knows, is that once you get past kind of like an estimated 50% past, uh, 50% estimate that you destroy the enemy's

• 29:37Speaker 05

  capability, it's really difficult to be precise about it. And the point here is, at what point do we say the Strait of Hormuz is open for traffic? Right? Because unless we're really sure we've eliminated the risk, well, how are you sure you eliminated the risk unless you put someone ashore to do that kind of assessment to conduct raids, to destroy?

• 29:59Speaker 05

  Targeted operations to destroy enemy infrastructure and then and then report it. Um.

• 30:08Speaker 05

  So, you know, I, as I mentioned, I mentioned missile launches, there's on on these islands, there's there's also potential for underground storage that of of missiles and other weapon systems. Um, another another factor disrupting battle damage assessment in the Gulf is undoubtedly the Iranians use decoys and camouflage just the way that, you know, we would and the the way that Ukrainians have have continued to do in in that conflict. Um.

• 30:43Speaker 05

  So what value do they bring? Okay, um. Why would we land them? Uh, we. Split clear tunnel complexes, you know, aside from missile launches, destroy radar systems, um, eliminate drone launch sites, um, and and confirm targets and neutralize. Those are all things. I know we're going to talk about separately the enriched Iranian problem, but if we're just talking about kind of conventional targeting for raids in the Gulf, that's that's more or less what we're talking about. And there's a series of islands, John, I'm going to butcher the names, but um, there's Abu Abu Musa, right, the the one right at the the entrance to the strait.

• 31:25Speaker 05

  I think if we were, you know, normally we'd have to point these out on a map, but we haven't got that far far a technology yet. And then there's like the, I spelled T U N B, TUNB.

• 31:39Speaker 05

  A couple of islands over there which are directly overlooking the shipping lanes, right? And Kesham Island, which is near Bandar Abbas, which is major cost Iranian support. And we know that, at least open source intelligence suggests that that's been supporting drones, drone attacks. Um, so any of those islands could be the target for for raids.

• 32:05Speaker 05

  But of course, you put 1,200 Marines ashore, it's not quite as simple as that. You're going, it's a major, major operation, you're going to have to have all kinds of support for that. And of course, you elevate the risk, it's huge. Oh, hey, I mentioned, I forgot Carg Island, which is our favorite topic, right? It's primary, Iran's primary oil export terminal, critical to its economy, as we've heard. Some back and forth about whether we're going after the oil terminals on that island, or whether we want to preserve them, and perhaps a difference of opinion there with the Israelis that we can talk about. So, you know, a rate of seizure of Carg could

• 32:47Speaker 05

  disrupt further Iranian oil exports, if that, indeed, that's one of our objectives. But, but also, again, conduct battle damage assessment, which, which as I've said, is a significant problem.

• 33:05Speaker 05

  So when you step back, so the Mew moving towards the Middle East, all it does is represent more options, right? I doubt, and I don't know, I'm speculating, I doubt that they're being moved there with a specific mission in mind. There will probably be a series of contingencies, and probably the decision hasn't been made whether or not to land them. And by the way, you know, the last thing I'll say on this is a Mew, a Marine Expeditionary Unit, I explained how small it is. Arguably, you get more out of it while it's at sea, right? It has kind of an operational impact then, because you could land it anywhere, you keep the enemy guessing. Once you've landed it, it becomes very tactical, and

• 33:47Speaker 05

  you elevate your risk, right? Because now you're sucked into that one location.

• 33:52Speaker 03

  And I want to talk about the straits for a minute there, you talked about, Andy. It's really important, because we're talking about measuring how safe are the straits, whether we've reduced to 50%, 90%, etc. Looking at absolute numbers of Straits transits on February 27th, there were 140 plus per day of oil vessels. That has trickled to six over five days, like one per day roughly. There were 11 Iranian vessels in Persian Gulf in the past couple of weeks that were able to transit out and bring oil to China, which is why they're actually selling more oil right now than they were before the conflict started. And the only vessel that has actually gone out and exited the Straits with oil was yesterday.

• 34:33Speaker 03

  It was a Pakistani flagged vessel that had agreed with the Iranian Foreign Ministry to allow it to transit through for various political reasons. And there were two Indian vessels that are allowed to move back to repatriate some Iranian bodies from the Sri Lanka coastline that were bombed by the submarine a few days ago. So if we're looking at that, it's down, down below single digit percentages of transits through there. It's absolutely not secured. No, in no reality is it safe to transit through there. And the other challenge is maybe from a military perspective, it's physically safe. But if you're an insurance company that's insuring a Maersk ship with $300 million worth of oil on it, you may be very hesitant to insure that ship.

• 35:17Speaker 03

  And so this is another like political external factor that the military can't really control. It's going to have to be at the political level that this problem is solved, or else these vessels won't feel safe enough and the insurance companies won't feel safe enough to insure those vessels, even if it is physically safe to pass through. So that's another step that has to occur as far as messaging from the US side and from the Israeli side to tell the world that, hey, it is actually safe or the US can absorb some of that risk by promising those insurance companies that they'll almost subsidize that insurance, kind of like the federal deposit insurance we have for deposits in banks, which is something that has been discussed but isn't fully in place yet. And then on the Mew portion of it, you mentioned it's this small versatile entity and it's actually the smallest of a certain type of marine task organization called the Marine Air Ground Task Force,

• 36:01Speaker 03

  which is something unique to the Marine Corps for listeners who don't know this. This task force is very scalable from that Mew size, which is roughly 2,200 total people, including logistics and other support and command element. It can move up to a brigade size element and it can move up to a force size element. These are kind of like increasing scale echelon for what a command might need. And by comparison during the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

• 36:26Speaker 03

  There were mews that were there, but they were part of larger, much larger entities doing a ground force invasion of Iraq, which is arguably a far less complex invasion than the terrain facing the ground forces in Iran, which would require many, many more units of much higher scale to actually traverse and secure those high terrain features to safely move into the country from a conventional ground force invasion perspective. So when looking at this mew, people are thinking about boots in the ground, probably of some kind of conventional combat force. And it's important to be hesitant there and question, well, how much would that mew actually achieve? And would it even be safe for it to go aground? And with the small size it has, because that's not what the mew is for alone. As Andy mentioned,

• 37:07Speaker 03

  that mew is to do things amphibiously from sea, ship to shore, and then back to ship. That's really what it's supposed to be for. That could be seizing a beach, holding a beach, securing a location for follow on forces to flow through, things like this. They're not supposed to be there long term, and they're not supposed to be the main combat element. That's what things like the 82nd Airborne and Marine Divisions are for. And we have a great map up here. We can see Straits of Hormuz.

• 37:31Jack Murphy?

  Masters of technology.

• 37:32Speaker 02

  Yep, Jack, I'm in clutch with this one. I'm impressed, actually. Do you see Crag Island though? Isn't it a little bit more north?

• 37:39Speaker 03

  It's up there. It says Cark, which is incorrectly spelled.

• 37:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:45Speaker 03

  Yep. And that's 100 kilometers from Abadan.

• 37:51Jack Murphy?

  And I was reading about this island too today, that this has supposedly underground missile facilities on it.

• 37:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, you can actually see them on Google Satellite imagery. You can see the Russian, you know, the Russian surface to air missile, the SA9 structure, where they usually have like a Pentagon formation. You can see those all up and down the island.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  Have we not been hitting that island? I'm sure we have. I'm assuming we have been.

• 38:12Jack Murphy?

  We, the desalination plant we hit was on that island. And that's kind of messed up. Like it basically deprived 30 villages of fresh water. I mean, I don't know.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  Isn't that a war crime?

• 38:25Jack Murphy?

  I'm not a jag, but it sounds like it.

• 38:29Speaker 03

  Well, remember, we don't have those silly rules of engagement anymore.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, that's right. No more politically correct wars. I'm so excited about that. John's trying to get me triggered, bro. And this is such a good episode and he's doing, he's doing this on purpose. I know it. You know, it, I mean, it raises a.

• 38:46Speaker 05

  It raises a point that I don't think is commonly understood, not even in the military, right, about the enemy's order of battle and understanding how much you've tried at it. And even with all the technology the United States has at its disposal, what a difficult task that is made more difficult by, you know, the terrain, by the fact that when you're talking about the nature of what is being, potentially could be hidden, and we talked about missile launchers and drones, small boats, all these things that are, could significantly remain a threat, are easy to disperse and conceal.

• 39:28Speaker 05

  So it doesn't matter what you have. So these press conferences where we are trotting out all the things that we have done, don't really answer the mail. The real question is, what does Iran have left? And that arguably could be what Marines ashore could do, although personally, I think I would, just for a number, I mean, I would select different special operations forces to do that if you, if you, your concern is BDA, and 2,000 Marines, one M U. Once, once you committed them, as I made the point earlier, you committed them, right? It's not something that, I mean, yes, you backload them on ships, but it's not, it's

• 40:10Speaker 05

  not as though you can hop all around the Straits of Hormuz using them again and again.

• 40:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's actually a good point. We were on the Special Operations Task Force in Iraq in 2016, and we did a lot of strikes, I think it was 30,000 strikes in six months. And we had to do battle damage assessment after all those strikes to ensure that we were hitting targets right with the right things and all that. And even that, when we were, we had the ability to get inside the denied area and actually measured BDA, we had a very hard time to get accurate BDA on the ground where we actually were. Because you have human intelligence that's not always accurate, you have signals intelligence that only gives you a piece of the picture. When you look at the physical infrastructure, that doesn't actually tell you about capability, it just tells you about the building, right? And if there's bodies in there, we don't know which bodies, you have sources at the hospital trying to tell you who they were, but you still don't know. And that's when you're actually physically there.

• 40:57Speaker 03

  And we don't have that scale of deployment in Iran, which on a much larger scale of destruction already, that's going to require precise BDA to actually measure. Did we, did we hit the right things with the right equipment and with the right follow-on effects?

• 41:11Speaker 05

  John, one thing that hasn't received much attention though, to my surprise, and certainly in the media and discussions, are this time round in Iran's nuclear facilities. I mean, there hasn't been mention of destruction to them in the discussions of battle damage assessments. First of all, what's your take on that? And secondly, do you think perhaps that's the next phase of this operation?

• 41:40Speaker 03

  I saw some satellite imagery on January 31st, I believe, of some of the facilities, and they're basically buried underground by the strikes that we did. And the thing there is, you don't know how much is buried, or if there was even anything buried there. And back in June, when we were striking some facilities, the regime had already moved some of the uranium to other facilities. So it's very difficult, without having people on the ground, to actually know what's in there. And that's not human sources, because even the sources might not know, because they're not digging in the soil. They might be just guessing and saying, well, it looks like this was destroyed, so I guess that's probably what this is. You would actually need to go there and measure with some technical equipment to figure out what amount of material remains underground. And the only way to

• 42:24Speaker 03

  do that is to obviously dig underground. It's a very challenging thing to do, because these facilities were very deep underground in the first place. If you've seen some of the strikes that we did, that were the penetrators that went, that they basically are very heavy, they hit the ground, go deep underground before they explode, they have this little pinpoint hole in the ground before they go in, and they do a bunker buster explosion deep underground, you have no way to measure what the efficacy of that was, or even if that was the right location in that complex where you should be hitting it, because nobody's got a flag there saying the uranium is here. Even if at the facility, they might have moved it to a different wing, there might be other tunnels. We can do a lot of measurement and signature intelligence or mazent to see what soil was moved where, when, how much soil was removed. So we can estimate how large the tunnels are based on what the amount

• 43:08Speaker 03

  of material that's been removed is. But that doesn't tell you what the configuration of the tunnel is and all these other things. There could be some side room that we never knew existed. So there's a lot of variables and difficulties on top of this, even if you had a good human network in the country. It's a kind of a black box without actually physically being there with the tools you need to measure this material.

• 43:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, and there's no, you know, when there's talk about not just damage to facilities, but the...

• 43:35Speaker 05

  The potential of securing enriched uranium itself, right? You see that speculation. I mean, one of the core problems is, aside from the fact that

• 43:48Speaker 05

  as we talked about damaged facilities, doesn't necessarily mean that what we see from damaged facilities doesn't necessarily give us an accurate picture. And trying to track where that material is, what condition it's in,

• 44:05Speaker 05

  whether it has been moved, whether it can be moved at short notice, all those things are questions that are going to be very tough to answer if indeed that becomes a mission.

• 44:16Speaker 03

  And actually, that's a great point about the complexity of this because there isn't just like a box of fissile material in a facility. There are varying ways that this is stored, depending on where it is in the process of enrichment and refinement. But you know, in the early stages, you might have some yellow cake, for example, that is contained in a pretty obvious structural container. But if, once you start putting it in the centrifuge cascades, which Iran uses the specialized cascade system of centrifuges because they're not allowed to get the larger centrifuges that the nuclear powered countries have. So you basically have these very long lines of centrifuges all produced by the German company Siemens. That's another thing to talk about how they got there. Anyways, they're there. They've got these things all linked together in these very long, almost like tubes

• 44:58Speaker 03

  of many centrifuges spinning at different speeds to try to separate and enrich the uranium. In a particular facility like Natanz, for example, there may be thousands of these centrifuges. And they're, they're pretty good. They're bigger than my head per centrifuge, right? So I mean, if you want to go get these things out, you're not talking about a guy going in with a backpack and just putting uranium in his backpack and walking out. You're talking about a very long-tailed logistical requirement to support just the movement, not talking about the safety or these other things, but just the, the actual logistics of getting this stuff out. How many people would you need? What kind of equipment would you need? There might even be a thought going on in the decision-making process about what if we just physically destroy enough so that nobody can dig down there and get the stuff out? Because that might actually be a better solution than going over there and actually

• 45:42Speaker 03

  digging with, with heavy machinery to get this out. And I'm sure this kind of discussion is going on right now with the National Security Council. And I'm sure Marco Rubio is talking to himself in the different positions that he holds to try to figure out how to advise himself to tell the president about how to get this uranium out.

• 45:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, the hottest part of the mission isn't getting there. It's what you do when you do get there.

• 46:02Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, a little bit. Um, I'm not going to talk too much about what's actually going on or potentially going on right now in regards to this, but a little bit of historical data that may be useful for, um, to help people think about this. The, uh, counter WMD mission, I mean, of course, has been, you know, with JSOC since its inception. Uh, early training exercises, Delta was, um, going up against simulated improvised nuclear devices and, and having EOD guys come in and disarm them. Uh, but then it kicks into high gear, um, or in the, uh, 1980s. When, uh, Gaddafi had an underground chemical weapons facility in Tarhuna.

• 46:44Jack Murphy?

  And JSOC was tasked with a mission or planning a mission to go in and destroy it. And, uh, interestingly, the way it was planned was that, uh, Marine Corps hovercraft would come up over the coast of Libya. Come as far as inland as they could, then they would offload trucks with the JSOC guys on it. They would then drive to Tarhuna. Using industrial drilling equipment drilled down from the surface into the facility. And then in like basically cement mixer trucks, pour an explosive slurry down into the facility and detonate it. So it was a pretty crazy plan. Um, I guess it's for the best that it never had to be executed.

• 47:25Jack Murphy?

  Um, that was, that situation was resolved diplomatically and Gaddafi shut that facility down. But that was sort of the beginning of JSOC sort of looking at this problem set. And it's evolved over the years. Um, it's been called the deep underground mission or the hardened, uh, deeply buried target mission. Um, and over the years that has evolved into essentially, you know, JSOC going in to conduct WMD sabotage. To like, just go in and destroy those facilities. Um, and it could be like chemical weapons vats. It could be fissile material. Whatever the case may be. And then that evolved, you know, by the time you're getting into like the mid to late 1990s,

• 48:04Jack Murphy?

  it evolved not just into the destruction, but to seize the material and take it out with you. And JSOC has done extensive training on this at the Nevada Test Site, in underground tunnels and things like this, practicing explosive breaching, like breaching heavy vault bunker doors underground. It's a very technically difficult mission to accomplish. And they've done this, and I mean, all the way up until, yeah, some other stuff I won't even get into right now. But the CBRN aspect, the radiological material aspect of it, makes this mission that much more dangerous, especially if you're going into targets that have already been hit with airstrikes.

• 48:49Jack Murphy?

  You don't know, like, have those vats been cracked open? Did they topple over? Is this stuff already in the ground? So it's a very technically and logistically complicated operation to pull off.

• 49:01Speaker 02

  And I have a question. It's not going to be like some quick, like, Maduro raid, few hours overnight. It's going to take days or weeks, I'm assuming, to do this. So there would need to be security. You know, it's not just a quick in and out, you know, thanks for coming.

• 49:16Speaker 05

  In a, in a foreign, in a sovereign hostile country, you're going to need a secure perimeter for an extended period of time, right? I mean, days to weeks. A secure perimeter, controlled surrounding terrain, protection against counterattack, which could come from in any domain, right? So as a marine expeditionary unit potentially could provide, could accomplish that mission. I know, let me rephrase that. That could potentially be a mission assigned to the marine expeditionary unit, but it's never been done before, right?

• 49:58Speaker 05

  It's not something specifically that Marines trained for, for that period of time. And, and you can imagine, I mean, so you've got all the, you've got all the inner problems, right? Inside that cordon, all the problems that you're going to have to deal with. Locating the material, verifying it, securing it, either destroying it or removing it. And then you've got the, you've got the external security problem, which is immensely complex too. And makes you, all of which makes you hugely vulnerable.

• 50:33Jack Murphy?

  The, you know, this is pretty much unprecedented, what we're talking about here. And the precedent you would look to, if anything, it's not like the Maduro raid or the Bin Laden raid or something like that. Actually, what I would look to is there was an operation in the early years of the war on terror in the early 2000s. SOCOM was somewhat involved, but mostly it was DITRA, the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, went to a island in Uzbekistan where the Soviets had a chemical weapons facility back in the day. And there was tons and tons of anthrax in the ground. If terrorists wanted, they could just go to this island and dig anthrax out of the ground and they'd have their sample ready to go.

• 51:17Jack Murphy?

  So DITRA goes in there with their, all their, you know, subcontractors and Raytheon contractors and everyone else, and they destroyed that material. They dug it up out of the ground and destroyed the, I think, like 60 tons of anthrax it came out to. Now, the difference, of course, is this was a permissive environment. This was done with the cooperation of the government of Uzbekistan. You know, we want to go in and destroy these WMDs and keep the world safe. And Uzbekistan's like, okay, bring your boys in, we can do this. It wasn't an armed military operation. But, but what we're talking about in Iran would have more in common with what I just described than with like a Maduro raid.

• 51:59Speaker 03

  And plus, we're talking about this as if it's like one facility. There are at least 12 different facilities in different provinces, spread all over the place. You have to, you have to repeat this 12 times or more successfully to achieve the objective that you're looking for. So that means every single time you do it, you're introducing new risks, new layers of complexity, new opportunities for attack. Because let's say you do it like three times, well, the adversary is going to measure how you did those three times and figure out all kinds of ways to exploit the next nine times you have to do this, because you're going to have to keep repeating the same TTPs every time. And if you reveal your, your clandestine methodologies in that first couple of goes, you can't use them anymore in the same way that you did previously.

• 52:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, if this was a, what we call a co-op brief, right? A course of action brief. You look at, you look at the cons that we stacked up here, and it's very difficult to think of pros that would balance against those cons.

• 52:59Jack Murphy?

  And yeah, strategically, Andy, I mean, you look at this kind of operation that we're talking about. Explain to me how this brings us closer to victory in Iran. How does this bring us closer to a democratic Iran?

• 53:14Jack Murphy?

  Okay, you're getting some fizzle material out of the ground and denying that to the Iranian government if they ever get back on their feet to the point where they can recover that stuff. But this doesn't really bring us closer to a victory or a win. And the kind of win even that, you know, President Trump seems to desire. I don't think it gets us closer to his own stated objective here.

• 53:40Speaker 03

  It's similar to Desert One. I always go back to Eagle Claw in Iran because this is a very similar thing where there's that risk benefit in the military planning side of it, and there's the political choice to do it anyway, even though it's extremely risky and a commander would never give this green light unless the president tells him, like, you're doing this. And it's the same thing where there's these layers of especially air and logistics capability that there's so much complexity in there and it only takes one crash at a fuel bladder in a desert to change the whole thing in a direction that you didn't expect and that the people just will not accept.

• 54:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, the difference being the rescue of US hostages in Iran arguably was a strategic imperative, right?

• 54:18Speaker 03

  Correct, correct.

• 54:20Speaker 05

  Whereas securing enriched uranium in sites in Iran, it's hard to align with any strategic imperative that would justify the level of risk.

• 54:33Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, especially when it's buried under rubble. Um, they don't have any access to it, apparently.

• 54:38Speaker 05

  Okay, well, I'm glad we dealt with that one.

• 54:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, let's also not, let's also not forget that this was, they were, the uranium was on the table right before we started bombing Iran. It also didn't exist in 2015.

• 54:50Speaker 05

  Well, it gets back to perhaps a lack of coherence in describing what the end state is, the desired conditions are for termination of hostilities, right? And we haven't seen yet kind of a coherent statement. Um, so we're speculating and I'm sure military commanders, I don't know, but I hope that they are saying, hey, boss, we're going, if, if, if our goals are reduction of Iranian capabilities, right, uh, to the point where Iran is effectively neutralized and cannot do X things for X period of time, then these are the conditions

• 55:33Speaker 05

  that need to exist. And we are one week, two weeks away from achieving those conditions, right? That's kind of the conversation that should take place. But boss, if you want to destroy the nuclear facilities and set them back six months, one year, two years, then we need to extend the campaign by X number of time. And finally, if you want a regime change, uh, we just can't get there from here, not with an air campaign. Hopefully, these conversations are taking place.

• 56:05Jack Murphy?

  Spoiler alert, they're not.

• 56:10Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, sorry. I'm sorry to be a doomer, Debbie Downer on you, Andy. I don't think those conversations are taking place.

• 56:16Speaker 05

  Well, you know, one would hope those conversations are taking place in an open forum too, you know, I mean, these, these sort of conversations that, that's one of the disadvantages with waging war is a liberal democracy. And I say liberal, little L, all right? Liberal democracy as in, you know, look it up, what it means, not, not you guys. I meant for those of our audience who start.

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• 58:30Speaker 05

  Screaming every time you mention liberal is that, yeah, you lose a little bit of the opaqueness, right, that an authoritarian regime has about the way it wages war. We owe to the American public, normally via their elected representatives, an explanation of why we're at war and what the objectives are, because everyone's aware of the caste, or perhaps they're not at this stage.

• 58:55Speaker 05

  Which is a good point that I'll finish on. Really, and I'm, you know, I'm not being a hand wringer here. But I, I don't think anyone has a clear picture of you overall cost of this war. I'm not talking about the billions a day that we're spending. And I'm, I'm talking about the, the effects on the global economy, the effect on our alliance networks.

• 59:14Speaker 05

  Alliances, sorry, that was a poorly worded phrase.

• 59:18Speaker 02

  John, you wanted to talk a little bit about, uh, uh, the Iranian elite, like a real estate portfolio in, in the, the UK.

• 59:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's really fascinating. Um, so Ali Ansari, who's this individual that's closely affiliated with, uh, Ahmadinejad, if everyone remembers this colorful individual from the presidency that caused the green revolution in 2009. Uh, so he just opened up 33 new luxury apartments in London, using investment money that he got from Iran, which is fascinating because they're not part of the international banking system. They're not part of the SWIFT banking system. And the money was taken from a regime affiliated account, right? So that's all opening up, but that's not even the biggest dollar amount because right now Mohtaba, the potentially alive or dead leader of Iran, has a $100 million real estate investment in London as well.

• 1:00:09Speaker 03

  That was just talked about a few weeks ago, uh, that the, the British government approved this, this purchase. It's just a fascinating thing because people think like, aren't they heavily sanctioned? Aren't they not part of the banking system? How are they getting this money? The thing is, you know, sanctions have certain levels of efficacy. There are studies done that say that it's actually not as effective as you think. And they're not really effective against an authoritarian state because that authoritarian state controls the black market. So it's the regular people that can't access the banking system. And then these, the small group of elites can get outside of it and go do things outside the country like we see right now. And a great example of that, um, Andy and I, I think we were talking about this a couple of weeks ago with how are they selling oil? Um, and what they're doing is they have these banks all over the world. Bank Meli is an Iranian owned bank, it's a state owned bank. Bank Meli has a branch in Hong Kong and it has a branch in London.

• 1:00:54Speaker 03

  It's got a branch in Hamburg and Paris. And these banks are in those countries that can actually do business in those countries. So if you sell your oil in China for $300 million per vessel, you take that $300 million, you don't send it back to Iran. You bring it over to Bank Meli in Hong Kong and then wire it to London. And then go open up your real estate business in Seville Row, right? And this is what's going on. It's very interesting because Mohtaba, for example, the, the new supreme leader, he's never worked, he's never earned a paycheck. And he has a hundred million dollars that he can use to open up businesses and in real estate in London. And this is just very important for for listeners to understand about like exactly when we talk about the regime. They're they're terrible to their own people, but they're also highly corrupt.

• 1:01:38Speaker 03

  And this corruption is the thing that you can see outside the country. You know, Canada, for example, a few years ago, the former central bank director of Iran fled to Canada with 3.7 billion dollars in assets. You don't bring that in a suitcase to Canada. That's wired to Canada, and the government of Canada approves that. We actually have a professor at the University of Pennsylvania, who's the son of Masumeh Ebtikar. And if you remember during the hostage crisis, there was a woman that was the speaker in English during the hostage crisis inside the US Embassy in Tehran, that was the spokesperson for the new the new Colonel of the regime. Her son is a professor at the University of Pennsylvania. How is that possible? Right? Zarif, former foreign minister, went to Ohio State University, right?

• 1:02:21Speaker 03

  The more you look at this, the more you realize that these elites, they just escape all of our restrictions. And this is why there's such a problem right now, the disconnect between the people in Iran and these elites, that no matter what you do, they're going to find a way to snake around it because it's not a democracy. You know, they can be as corrupt as they want, and the people can't do anything about it because first of all, they don't have any guns.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  We got to end on a good, better note.

• 1:02:42Speaker 05

  Well, I've got a better note.

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  At some point.

• 1:02:45Speaker 05

  And and I I think I mean, a slight change of topic, but I think it I think it's important. I think a lot of people will learn from this, and this gets back to our discussion of the North Korean policy of the troika, right? Three people wandering around together. And I want to point out that that within the Marine Corps, our own research of the troika has has really revealed that it's ineffective totally. So we used to operate in and this this ties in with Okinawa, too, because this is the liberty policy in Okinawa, that two Marines, it used to be the buddy program, right? But then we discovered over the course of, oh, I don't know, maybe four decades, that where one Marine gets drunk, the others likely also to get drunk. So the policy became they had to travel in a troika.

• 1:03:29Speaker 05

  But guess what?

• 1:03:33Speaker 05

  We we found that the same.

• 1:03:35Speaker 02

  Three guys got drunk.

• 1:03:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:03:36Speaker 02

  Instead of just one.

• 1:03:38Speaker 05

  So and if the North Koreans are having the same problem. Yeah, they and Jack brought up an excellent point too that he talked about where sleeping cells break down and he said, you know, they someone finds a woman, right? I mean, that's that that's the beginning of the scene.

• 1:03:58Jack Murphy?

  I mean, even I believe Mohammed Atta, one of the nine 11 hijackers was dating a stripper down in Florida. I mean, these guys get sucked into this stuff. Hell, maybe if that had gone on a little longer, he wouldn't have done what he did. Um, as I was saying, it's only the most committed ideological people that can really stay committed to that. And I've heard some stories about the Chinese, actually, not so much sleeper cells per se, but more like espionage, where they're like super committed Maoists, and they like they'll like live a life of poverty, even if they have like an advanced degree, because they're

• 1:04:38Jack Murphy?

  putting all their money into, you know, helping out the fatherland or whatever. It's very weird, actually.

• 1:04:45Speaker 05

  Jack, you remember that story? You told me about, go ahead. Sorry, John, go.

• 1:04:50Speaker 03

  I was gonna say the Ministry of State Security actually is very unique in the great power espionage world because they don't recruit generally don't recruit non-Chinese people. They'll typically only recruit Chinese citizens from China who are in the target country. Like, for example, they're going to Berkeley, getting a chemical engineering degree, but they're Chinese. That's who the MSS will go after because they know they have the very like they can measure that loyalty. And it's they don't have to develop it as much as we would have to develop, for example, recruiting an Egyptian guy to work for us in Egypt.

• 1:05:19Jack Murphy?

  Well, it's also it's also that, you know, if they even find somebody who's not a Chinese citizen but of Chinese ethnicity, and they still have family back on the mainland. I mean, they call the MSS calls them up and says, ah, I was visiting your aunt the other day. I mean, they get the message right away. I mean, they know what they're supposed to do.

• 1:05:39Speaker 02

  Jack, what was that story about a virologist who's a doctor working in the United States? You know, probably making a decent living?

• 1:05:46Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:47Speaker 02

  He was living in like squalor because he was like a-

• 1:05:49Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, that was a friend of mine worked that case where it was a Chinese guy. Um, had a job working for the government. He was an M D, but he was living out of his van. And he was selling ghost guns at a, at a gun shows. And so there's no, uh, there's, as far as I know, there's no proof of like a Chinese intelligence nexus. But I've heard enough stories like this over the years. You start to wonder like, is it really about making money? Or is it this guy just acting as a chaos agent, like selling ghost guns to, um, Latino and African American gangs in the, in, uh, New York City in this case?

• 1:06:24Speaker 02

  All right, great. Now we just brought in China trying to fuck us up too. Great.

• 1:06:28Jack Murphy?

  Well, there's other stuff too. I mean, if you start looking at like the order of the nine angles and like one of their founders lives in Russia now, I mean, there, there's stuff that-

• 1:06:37Speaker 02

  What is that? Yeah. I don't, I've never heard of that.

• 1:06:40Jack Murphy?

  It's sort of a, it's like a Satanist nihilistic movement that came out of the UK initially and, um, those guys go and they do, you know, spree shootings and stuff like that sometimes. I, I mean, again, I couldn't prove anything, um, as far as like an intelligence nexus, but there's enough things that like, you're squinting at it. Like what the hell is going on here?

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  What a way to end. Satanist fucking shooting sprees.

• 1:07:08Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. Sorry guys.

• 1:07:09Speaker 02

  No, I want you guys to check out the high side. Jack Murphy, Sean Naylor, they're working on a really good article coming out soon. Having to do with JSOC, um, really interesting with-

• 1:07:19Jack Murphy?

  Several at this point.

• 1:07:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, actually, yeah, multiple, uh, multiple pans on the fire. The, uh, with Zach Dorfman, right? Uh, he's, he's helping out on one of them. Um, what else? We got Andy Melbourne, of course. Andy, give us a flex. Just show us one, one. No, alright, we'll do that after.

• 1:07:38Speaker 05

  You got me on that for the team house from that time.

• 1:07:42Speaker 02

  I want you guys to check out Andy's book.

• 1:07:44Speaker 05

  The time we went shirtless, as well as drunk.

• 1:07:47Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, you did.

• 1:07:48Jack Murphy?

  How could we forget Andy?

• 1:07:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a classic.

• 1:07:49Speaker 05

  Those days are gone.

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  That's a class. We'll get you shirtless again. Not drunk, but we'll get you shirtless again. We're getting John shirtless to drop his reputation a couple notches to.

• 1:07:59Speaker 03

  Give me more Twitter followers that way.

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  Um, your book, When the Tempest Gathers, incredible book. Check that out. That link is in the description. John's book, of course, Theory of a Regular War and Iran's Shadow Weapons. All those links are down in the description. I know, Andy, you're working on another book having to do with Gaza and Israel, right? Like, that's cooking. So we're looking forward to that one. And, uh, of course, Jack's got a new book coming out in June. Very exciting fiction, The Most Dangerous Man. I read it. It's really good. Yeah, all those links are in the description. Support the show, patreon.com slash the team house. You get both Eyes On and Team House episodes ad free and early. And it was always a pleasure, guys. Thank you. Yeah, thank you.

• 1:08:47Speaker 03

  Thanks, guys.

• 1:08:47Speaker 05

  All the best.

• 1:08:51Jack Murphy?

  Hey, everyone. I want to tell you about my new novel, The Most Dangerous Man, out in June. It is a novel about a regimental reconnaissance company soldier who gets kidnapped while he's on a mission to West Africa. And when he wakes up, he finds that he is now being hunted for sport by a group of tech billionaires through the wilds of West Africa. This book is based on stories that I heard over the years about safari guides taking wealthy clients hunting for poachers on game reserves in Africa. I took that and I took a century old short story, The Most Dangerous Game, and modernized it. And the product is this book, which I think will feel contemporary and resonate with audiences today.

• 1:09:35Jack Murphy?

  Thank you, and please check it out.

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