Citroen's New EV; Hyundai Santa Cruz Review

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:51Speaker 01

  Grids. Maybe they're like-

• 0:52Matt Farah?

  A dot is an invisible grid.

• 0:53Speaker 01

  I think they're for people that want to make their own organization in the page. Like you can make a box, you can make a line, you can make a rectangle, and then you could put a note in it, maybe?

• 1:01Matt Farah?

  Totally. Could do. But yeah, 6x9 lined, that's what I need, baby. So-

• 1:07Speaker 01

  So you should sort through and-

• 1:08Matt Farah?

  We're almost, I have to, every 18 months I lay out all the options, and I have to, I pick them up and hold them and fucking, you know-

• 1:16Speaker 01

  But if you do that, when you do that, could you not just put them in order of best to worst, and then at the 18-month mark, you go, okay, second place, third place, fourth place?

• 1:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's true. I could, I could rank them.

• 1:28Speaker 01

  That way you don't have to do the sorting, the sorting hat, you know?

• 1:31Matt Farah?

  I like the ritual, though. My vibe, 18, I don't know who I'm gonna be. What if in 18 months, I'm a guy who wants blue? I don't know. I, we don't, I haven't, I might be more in touch with something.

• 1:50Speaker 01

  You, that's, you might be, honestly. It's true. Will you turn the temp down one?

• 1:54Matt Farah?

  I didn't know that I would be able to wear this color shirt before I put it on and went, oh my god.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  Olive, olive drab gray. I have a lot of that. Yeah.

• 2:03Matt Farah?

  I'm really having trouble with this light-colored shirt phase of my life. It turns out, I splash things on myself all the time. And I, I realize what you're thinking, I'm not really talking about piss, but like-

• 2:17Speaker 01

  I was not thinking that.

• 2:18Matt Farah?

  I, I do, with dishes, you know, cleaning out cat food bowls, and like, you know, cooking. That, I, I don't know what happened. I, I guess all my shirts were dark, really dark gray, dark blue. But like, holy shit, dude, do I splatter on myself when I cook, you know?

• 2:37Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, cooking, forget about it.

• 2:39Matt Farah?

  I really, I mean, I, and I have aprons too, but I don't know, something about those, the Viori shirts, those like thinner, you know, like yoga shirts that I liked to wear for a very long time, and don't really wear so much anymore. Those don't hold any grease. Like if you get splatted on in one of those, you throw that bitch right in the wash. It's, that splat's gone.

• 2:59Speaker 01

  Well, I think they're heavily polyester.

• 3:02Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 3:03Speaker 01

  A lot of, plastic, yeah.

• 3:04Matt Farah?

  Oh yeah. I was, you know, for years, they feel very soft while giving me cancer. No, no, absolutely not. But-

• 3:11Speaker 01

  The microplastic.

• 3:12Matt Farah?

  But these, these are like that heavy boy, you know, 100% cotton. You don't even realize that splatter's there until you take it out of the washing machine and to hang it up, and you go, fuck.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  Oh, the grease spot.

• 3:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and then you gotta stain stick that bitch, wash it again.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:27Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy.

• 3:28Speaker 01

  There was a guy at the car show yesterday who was wearing a black shirt, but he had definitely spilled like a full water bottle on his chest. And he, he was just socializing, he didn't mention it, but I just kept looking, going, what happened over there?

• 3:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah. I had a, I spilled a drink on myself at the, at a happy hour yesterday. Not in the piss zone, more like knee-

• 3:49Speaker 01

  You're very concerned about looking like you pee on yourself, especially the chest area, apparently.

• 3:53Matt Farah?

  Chest area?

• 3:54Speaker 01

  You said, like I splatter my shirt.

• 3:56Matt Farah?

  Shake, splash back from a toy, you know, from, you know, you come back from the bat, you go to a urinal.

• 4:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:03Matt Farah?

  Sometimes it's an unfamiliar urinal. Sometimes there's, what, this has never happened to you?

• 4:08Speaker 01

  Most of them are unfamiliar.

• 4:09Matt Farah?

  You've never, you've never, well, a new shape, angle, size, you know, bottom structure.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  European spec?

• 4:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  American spec?

• 4:19Matt Farah?

  Are there ice cubes in there? You don't fucking know.

• 4:21Speaker 01

  Ice cubes are annoying.

• 4:22Matt Farah?

  Occasionally, there's a little, you know, bank shot.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  There can be. When you said shirt, I was picturing this area, not the lower area.

• 4:31Matt Farah?

  The bottom, the bottom two inches, the low band, this, this can happen.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:37Matt Farah?

  It doesn't, it doesn't mean you were in kidney failure. It doesn't mean you have a prostate issue. No, it just means your angle wasn't, you know, fully thought through.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Billiards is tough, especially hydro billiards. That's what you were playing.

• 4:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, you know, you go to like a rest, you see it, you go to a restaurant, it's not really about unfamiliar pissing, it's about unfamiliar sinks.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  Make that a band, somebody.

• 5:03Matt Farah?

  Unfamiliar pissing. You turn on the sink, some of these, and it's like, extreme power.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 5:09Matt Farah?

  And also some kind of angle that's, you know, directing it essentially at your junk.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  The shallow sink that they use when they try to do decorative, where it's basically a plate, and that's your sink bowl, terrible.

• 5:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The shallow one, also a faucet that's not long enough. You've got a big wide basin, but the faucet, it goes like an inch into the, and you're like, did, did nobody think about this?

• 5:31Speaker 01

  The dumbest sink is the airport sink that has the air blower next to the soap, next to the water, all in one basin. And so, I don't use that air blower, because I'm like, it's gonna blow all the germs that people washed off their hands, and aerosol them to everyone. This is such a stupid design.

• 5:46Matt Farah?

  That's the COVID spreader, the new Dyson COVID.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, the 3-in-1 Dyson COVID spreader. That's exactly what that is. What a, what a terrible oversight.

• 5:54Matt Farah?

  So anyway, with a poorly designed, you know, restaurant restroom sink, you can go back to the table looking like you've pissed all over yourself. Then it's like, I just, it was the-

• 6:04Speaker 01

  No, I didn't piss all over-

• 6:05Matt Farah?

  It was the sink, and now they're thinking about it. Now you sound defensive.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  Now you're thinking about it.

• 6:09Matt Farah?

  For sure. You know I'm thinking about it.

• 6:11Speaker 01

  You're still thinking about it.

• 6:14Matt Farah?

  Is it, is it such a great ask to like not want to walk back to my table looking like I've pissed myself?

• 6:21Speaker 01

  I mean, this is America. I think we should have that right. That's why, if everyone wore a tuxedo, no one would have any stains, you wouldn't be able to see.

• 6:28Matt Farah?

  Sure. We all just went dressed like pilgrims.

• 6:31Speaker 01

  Yep. Just wearing wool.

• 6:33Matt Farah?

  Hasids. You're talking about becoming hasids.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  In clothing, no, in clothing color.

• 6:39Matt Farah?

  Dressing like hasids.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  I mean, a black suit is a black suit. I don't think, I don't think they own the copyright on that.

• 6:45Matt Farah?

  That's the closest we have to, you know, dressing like a pilgrim. More hardcore Mormons, maybe, but like really hasids.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Well, they wear the white shirt with the black pants.

• 6:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they have a summer, they have a summer option. They're, they're committed to dressing like it's fucking Siberia.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  Their name tag has water, like, it's not piss, it's just water on the name tag.

• 7:02Matt Farah?

  Anyway. Hi.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  Hi.

• 7:06Matt Farah?

  How's everybody doing? Am I talking to an iPad right now, or a microphone? Microphone?

• 7:10Speaker 01

  Good. Talking to a microphone.

• 7:12Matt Farah?

  That's good.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:14Matt Farah?

  That's good. Uh, how's everybody doing? I hope everyone's having a lovely day, lovely weekend. Zach went to that Autopian car show, and I saw, I saw on Instagram, the best car show you've been to all year.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 7:27Matt Farah?

  Is that what you said? Is that what you said?

• 7:28Speaker 01

  I said one of.

• 7:29Matt Farah?

  One of.

• 7:30Speaker 01

  I think for SoCal.

• 7:31Matt Farah?

  You're really hedged.

• 7:32Speaker 01

  Well, it's just subjective measurement.

• 7:33Matt Farah?

  Arguably, arguably, that's the hedge. One might say, particularly if they worked at the Autopian, that this is the best car show.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, look, if your favorite thing about cars is the Baja 1000, then you would not, maybe not be into this car show. Although there was a really rowdy, oh dude, Amelia and Chris Forsberg got first in their class in the, what is it, the Nora 400, whatever it is? Yeah. Her first time out.

• 7:59Matt Farah?

  That rule.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  She was just like, I figured it out.

• 8:01Matt Farah?

  I just saw, wait, I saw on Instagram, was she driving, was Chris driving, or were they sharing driving? How did that work?

• 8:07Speaker 01

  I thought they shared driving.

• 8:08Matt Farah?

  Because Amelia's a very good driver, but like, I don't think she's as good as Chris Forsberg. Chris Forsberg's Formula Drift champion.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  Uh, sure. And he has more experience being a prof, and he's been racing off-road for like, four years now, I think.

• 8:21Matt Farah?

  I saw this on Instagram, and I'm not trying to take anything away from Amelia, by the way, but I literally don't know who was, who was driving, or if they were both driving. And I would like to know.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  Let's see, her post says, I'm co-driving with Chris Forsberg.

• 8:34Matt Farah?

  Okay, cool. Well, good for both of them.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:37Matt Farah?

  I think even if she did drive the whole thing, she'd probably do very well.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  She's a very good driver. I mean, now, now she's got, she had the Pikes Peak thing, she had something else in between. She's also, she's done all these drag cars, like driving shit that's way faster than I've ever driven. Not that I'm like the marker of what a good driver is. Yeah, she's pretty, she's solid. But I don't know if they trade it off or what.

• 8:57Matt Farah?

  But not as good a driver as Chris Forsberg, which, it does, I mean, like, objectively, he has the trophies.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  That's true. He's a three-time Formula Drift champion.

• 9:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But that's awesome. Good team.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  Off-road racing's the best kind of racing.

• 9:06Matt Farah?

  For sure. That's a fucking, that's probably a great time. And 500, 500 is not 1,000. 500 is like-

• 9:15Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 9:16Matt Farah?

  I'm not saying it's easy. It's definitely exhausting and difficult, but it's half the length of 1,000. And so you, you do get to, like, go a little harder and not exhaust yourself and the equipment.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 9:29Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean?

• 9:30Speaker 01

  Um, I don't know, I'd have to ask, we'd have to ask Chris, like, or Amelia, how do they strategize that? I've heard that the Nora is- More approachable, like I think Larry Chan told us this, but one could enter the Nora with a lot less money than you can enter the 1000. The 1000 basically requires teams, helicopters, like the support structure needed for that race is insane. Not to mention, if you're based in the US, like you have to bring all this shit to a different country, which means Carney. I think the Nora is like more approachable and therefore probably a little bit more fun.

• 10:02Matt Farah?

  Sure. Seems like a good time.

• 10:03Speaker 01

  But it is half as long. That is true.

• 10:05Matt Farah?

  It's also half as long.

• 10:06Speaker 01

  See? You had an art degree, but you know math.

• 10:08Matt Farah?

  I also did the 1000, like 20 years ago.

• 10:11Speaker 01

  I know.

• 10:11Matt Farah?

  And it was fucking exhausting. Like crazy, crazy exhausting.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  How many legs did you drive and your dad drive?

• 10:18Matt Farah?

  My dad drove one and I drove all the rest. He decided he didn't want to drive anymore after that. He was like, no, no, I can't do this. Your turn. And it was my turn for the next, I don't know, 26, 20 hours or something.

• 10:33Speaker 01

  20 hours. Geez.

• 10:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  Before Pro Vigil and all this.

• 10:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no drugs.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  So you're just 22.

• 10:38Matt Farah?

  Just being young and not giving a fuck and being stoked to be there. That was, that was it. Full on gentleman. I was the most gentleman driver that there ever was.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, whatever. Super fun.

• 10:51Matt Farah?

  Oh, it was fucking great. 95% of the people at that race were gentleman drivers. Nobody gives a fuck.

• 10:56Speaker 01

  It's a very expensive thing to enter.

• 10:57Matt Farah?

  Hell, yeah. But it was, the way we did it, I imagine they're still doing it, is there was the wide open class, the arrive and drive, you know, they've got, it's a spec class. Yeah, wide open Baja runs a, runs a spec class.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  100% still operating.

• 11:11Matt Farah?

  Still operating, yeah. It's, I mean, not, not cheap, but probably far more cost effective than actually building, prepping and running your own car. Unless you're like, I don't know, Super Wrench or something.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  Their website is very old.

• 11:25Matt Farah?

  Oh, for sure, dude.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  Verify, if you're interested, verify through Instagram that they're still real because their website's real old.

• 11:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:32Speaker 01

  But I think we rented some of their buggies for drive, which we filmed with Alex Roy.

• 11:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  And Spinelli, I think. That was crazy. I got to like...

• 11:41Matt Farah?

  They use little NA Subaru motors, little 2.2s or something.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  With like two feet of travel.

• 11:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  And then I rode with the guy, like the guy that was running the place and the way he sent it over these whoops was gnarly.

• 11:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  Like very exciting, but really gnarly. And that was just for 10 minutes. I mean, do that for 20 hours?

• 11:58Matt Farah?

  Imagine being a guy who owns a rental off-road vehicle school, how you would drive those cars. Like, you know what I mean? Like, whoa.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  A good time.

• 12:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah, no. A race half as long where you could go really, really hard and be less exhausted is just, you know, sounds very appealing, actually.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Sounds great, man.

• 12:17Matt Farah?

  Sounds like a great time.

• 12:18Speaker 01

  I would love to do those things, but maybe, we'll see.

• 12:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, spines, dude.

• 12:21Speaker 01

  Spine. Probably not a good idea.

• 12:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, I think if we, like, the more money that you have, the softer your truck rides.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  Very, very true.

• 12:31Matt Farah?

  So like, if we could go straight to the factory-supported, you know, crazy class, our backs would probably be fine.

• 12:38Speaker 01

  And then you need one of the seats from a semi truck that's got air. So just everything goes squish.

• 12:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I think if we had to drive that Nissan thing that Amelia and Chris were driving, we'd probably be fucked up.

• 12:49Speaker 01

  Or like, was it Class 11, the VW Beetles that have like no travel?

• 12:52Matt Farah?

  That's crazy. I mean, dude, I have a Mank's. That shit won Baja. Like, you can't, I can't believe that. 1960, someone fucking won, showed up in Baja with that and went, I got this.

• 13:04Speaker 01

  You could get Quaaludes, you know, over the counter back then. So just all kinds of painkillers. Just make a little cocktail in the mornings.

• 13:11Matt Farah?

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• 15:21Matt Farah?

  because right now we're doing, every part of the day has a different activity for a different job. And that means even up to and including today, as I read this, I have not made a plan to eat lunch, which means I'm going to be too hungry, get something that's fast, therefore unhealthy, and it's just a mess. I need a re-up on this Factor. When I've got Factor in the fridge, I know I'm eating healthy that day. Because Factor is real food made with real ingredients, high-quality ingredients that you recognize and trust. In fact, there's over 175 banned ingredients, so you know you're eating something good for you. It's ready in two minutes in the microwave, could be between meetings

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• 16:50Matt Farah?

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• 17:31Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, it's Galpin. They call it 10 car shows in one, which I think is a very good moniker for it because there's like the Volvo section, the exotic section, the Autopian.

• 17:40Matt Farah?

  There's a Volvo section.

• 17:41Speaker 01

  Well, there's a Volvo dealership, so there's a Volvo section.

• 17:43Matt Farah?

  Oh, they took over all the dealers?

• 17:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 17:46Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's actually pretty cool.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  It's very cool.

• 17:49Matt Farah?

  All right. So if you don't know anything, here's a little inside baseball. LA is the biggest, Galpin is the biggest car dealer group in California, I think. And they have an entire city block where they own every property. And it's like four car dealers, maybe, I think it's four, maybe five.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  Ford, Lincoln, Volvo, and then across the street is like Aston Jaguar, exotic-y things.

• 18:12Matt Farah?

  And then Galpin Autosports.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  And then Galpin Autosports, which is, so that's where all the modified, actually, there's things everywhere. But yeah, so that's, they own like the city.

• 18:18Matt Farah?

  And then the diner that's there is their diner. Actually, it's pretty good.

• 18:22Speaker 01

  And it was busy.

• 18:23Matt Farah?

  It's a fucking solid diner.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:25Matt Farah?

  It's been run for like 70 years or something. So anyway, that's what, that's the geography that Zach's talking about.

• 18:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. So they had, you know, they had cars for each of those dealerships, but they also mixed it up a lot. Like, there was a Lotus section, but then this Esprit, they put in front of the Lincoln dealership because this section, what did they call it? This area, they said they wanted to have something from everything. So if you didn't want to walk the whole, you know, course, you go to this part of the parking lot and there was like one of every little thing. So it was very cool. It was like, it was a good sampling menu. And then they had like the muscle car area, the Galpin Autosports, which was like crazy modified trucks and, you know, the hand-built, one of the hand-built Hot Wheels winners from last year was there. It was really cool. It was a bummer, or what was a bummer is that the rain scared away a bunch of cars and people and it didn't

• 19:15Speaker 01

  rain. Like, it was cloudy, but I talked to one of the organizers and he said, yeah, I had a bunch of the exotic car guys canceled. Like 40 cars bailed because they thought it would rain and they didn't want to drive in the rain.

• 19:25Matt Farah?

  My 296 can't get wet. Like, if you have a modern car, you won't drive in the rain. Like, you're such a pussy.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  He said maybe they're on summer tires. So, you know, maybe, like, but I agree.

• 19:38Matt Farah?

  That just means drive slower.

• 19:39Speaker 01

  I agree. Yeah. Total boo. Just drive your car.

• 19:43Matt Farah?

  This place is right off the 405. It's not like you have to rip Angeles Crest to get there. Like, you fucking pussy.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was, that was a bummer and it didn't rain. So, you know, we had this like cool mood lighting stuff. But I just, I threw up some pictures of some of my favorite stuff.

• 19:56Matt Farah?

  Oh, I like that car a lot.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  This thing is a 51 Ford Coupe that was like built for SEMA 10 years ago. And the guy that owns it now bought it from the original, or the second owner. And it is like if Singer had done a 51 Coupe. Like, the interior materials, there's like three different shades of wool and woven this and that. And like the fire suppression bottle is like cerakoted gold.

• 20:20Matt Farah?

  That's actually pretty pimp. I like that.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  And front to back, the color choices of like the engine block and the bright work in there matches with the interior, matches with the back. Super well done.

• 20:31Matt Farah?

  So I actually know this car because I awarded it Best in Show when I judged the...

• 20:39Matt Farah?

  Sergio and his buddies, the fucking, uh, uh, pops.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  Riffraff.

• 20:43Matt Farah?

  The riffraff crew.

• 20:44Speaker 01

  Autism.

• 20:45Matt Farah?

  Riffraff Crew Autism Show. Barrett Automotive.

• 20:48Speaker 01

  Autism Charity Show, we should say.

• 20:49Matt Farah?

  Yes, Autism Charity Show. And, uh, yeah, the riffraff crew show and this one best in show from that. And it, this thing is rad.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 20:58Matt Farah?

  And the guy who owns it, I forget his name, I'm sorry. Desi is, uh, was extremely cool.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:03Matt Farah?

  And I think actually got a hell of a deal when he bought it, too.

• 21:07Speaker 01

  He did not.

• 21:08Matt Farah?

  Oh, he did not?

• 21:08Speaker 01

  He said he paid twice what the second owner paid for it.

• 21:12Matt Farah?

  The second owner who got the hell of a deal.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, he did say it, he still bought it for less than it would cost to build. Because it's, you know, it's like a full SEMA type thing. But he's like, it was not cheap, but he loves it. And he drives it a lot. He put like 4,000 miles on it per year. Which is pretty good for something this strange. Um, yeah. So that, that was rad and, uh...

• 21:32Matt Farah?

  What's good about a car like that is that, is that miles are essentially irrelevant. You know, who gives, who cares how many miles are on it? And it's just how it looks today is what it is. So...

• 21:45Speaker 01

  Great point.

• 21:45Matt Farah?

  You know, if it, if it, if it runs and drives great, fuck it. Who cares about the, I mean...

• 21:50Speaker 01

  You're buying an art piece. So you know, if it works, that's, that's the only box to check.

• 21:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That's how, exactly how I feel about the Manx. And it's a great, you know, even though it is like a brand new build, it's like, miles, like, whatever. Who cares about that?

• 22:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:05Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 22:05Speaker 01

  That is a rare thing in the car world. It's just like, you want the car, no matter what the miles are.

• 22:09Matt Farah?

  I hope the, I hope that my Mercedes, when it comes back, is that as well.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  Oh, funny story about your Mercedes.

• 22:17Matt Farah?

  You have a story about my Mercedes?

• 22:19Speaker 01

  I do have a story, well, related to your Mercedes.

• 22:21Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  So I'm walking around, I'm walking around the car show and I'm in the Autopian section, which had like, the, like a PLP 50. This was a thing where they let kids paint the truck.

• 22:31Matt Farah?

  Dude, this is a great idea. This is like what I did with, uh,

• 22:33Speaker 01

  Crown Vic?

• 22:34Matt Farah?

  With the Crown Vic and my nephews. And it was the best. I had a call with my nephews. You know, I do FaceTime with them every couple of weeks or so. And they, all they wanted to talk about was how fun painting the car was. That, for the next few years, that, that will get me uncle points.

• 22:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:52Matt Farah?

  Until I can give them beer.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  Cause the next time you see them, they'll say, hey, can we paint your car? And you're like, no, this is a real car.

• 22:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That's a good thing they did. Let kids paint the truck. That's rad.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  Give kids something to interact with besides just looking at the cars, which was really cool. So they just, you know, paint the truck and people did all kinds of stuff on there. Do I have a photo of?

• 23:09Matt Farah?

  Oh, I love a Lincoln Town Car bouncing on hydraulics.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  They had a bounce contest.

• 23:14Matt Farah?

  Fabulous.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  Which, holy crap. I thought all the, the cars that did the bounce stuff were, had no engines and they got pushed in. Wrong. They all have to run and drive. Some people drove them there. And then they got the front wheels 104 inches in the air. That was like, I think that was the winner, was 104 inches.

• 23:30Matt Farah?

  Did any of them stand? Like, did they bounce?

• 23:32Speaker 01

  Disqualified if you get stuck and stand. So like, most of them did bang the rear bumper and come back down.

• 23:38Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  But if you got stuck or intentionally did that, um, then you get disqualified.

• 23:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:44Speaker 01

  And, and then Bo, uh, Bo Bachman, who owns Galpin, he was like, he's like, him and the Autopian guys were of course trying to work out like, how to engineer the best bounce car. And they thought, okay, with long wheelbase and then short deck. And they said, what about Lincoln Town Car limo? And Mad Mike was there.

• 24:01Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  And they said, Mike, has anyone done a limo? And he's like, I don't think so. And he goes, but we have one in the back. So I bet next year they'll have a bounce.

• 24:07Matt Farah?

  You need to, you would need to essentially build a ca, a roll cage.

• 24:13Speaker 01

  Oh, sure.

• 24:14Matt Farah?

  Because the first time it bounces, it's just gonna snap, like the Titanic.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:19Matt Farah?

  So you, you definitely would need a full cage structure inside that limo for that to not happen.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think they'll do it and it'll be crazy.

• 24:29Matt Farah?

  Dude, this, now that I see the Town Car and I think about Bo Bachman, all I can think about is an Aston Martin Lagonda on hydraulics. And how fire that would be.

• 24:44Matt Farah?

  I don't know if anyone has the balls to do it. But like, what is an Aston Martin Lagonda good for, really? Like, not much?

• 24:52Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 24:52Matt Farah?

  But, but, man, and this is where I don't, I, I, I hate fucking AI, but I would love to use an AI image generator to make me a little clip of an Aston Martin Lagonda like bouncing on Dayton's. Like, it would be...

• 25:08Speaker 01

  It'd be very cool. The thing is, you gotta, it has to have a shorter deck. Like, it's got, the overhang's okay. I mean, the Town Car, there was a couple of Town Cars, they did very well.

• 25:16Matt Farah?

  It doesn't need to be competitive. It does, I'm not talking about winning a competition with it. I'm just talking...

• 25:23Speaker 01

  Cause they're, man, they're F1 team. I don't know what's going on over there.

• 25:26Matt Farah?

  Pretty good. But all, but think about how dope it would be to have a Lagonda on hydraulics.

• 25:33Speaker 01

  That'd be pretty cool.

• 25:34Matt Farah?

  That would actually be extremely sick.

• 25:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:36Matt Farah?

  Like, super...

• 25:37Speaker 01

  Two Lagondas.

• 25:38Matt Farah?

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• 26:22Matt Farah?

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• 27:01Matt Farah?

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• 27:41Matt Farah?

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• 28:19Matt Farah?

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• 28:56Matt Farah?

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• 29:37Matt Farah?

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• 30:08Matt Farah?

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• 30:52Matt Farah?

  But I'm on the road over half the time this fall. This is our busy season. I'm not at home. My trainer ain't coming with me. What am I, Joe Rogan? And I'm on the road. I don't have my trainer, so I need the trainer in my pocket. That's where Fitbod comes in. The hotel gyms are my newest friend. So I got Fitbod, so I have my away routine. Like you know how a home, home team and away team, they have different colored jerseys. You switch up the jersey, right? You got the white jersey for home and vice versa. I have my home trainer and Fitbod is my away trainer, right? So for a long time, it took me a long time to just get to use the hotel gyms at all, like cardio.

• 31:36Matt Farah?

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• 32:19Matt Farah?

  Get 25% off your Fitbod subscription or try the app for free for seven days at fitbod.me/tire. That's F-I-T-B-O-D dot M-E slash tire. Fitbod dot M-E slash tire. He has the Lagonda wagon, which is the firest Lagonda ever. He's got, and he's got the Evel Knievel Lagonda, which has a 427 Ford engine swap and side pipes, which is the trashiest Lagonda ever. He also has at least two other regular ones that I know about. He, he's pretty obsessed with them. I think he would do it.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Evel Knievel.

• 32:58Matt Farah?

  I'm gonna text him after the show. The Evel Knievel one is, I mean Evel Knievel is, you know, bless, bless his heart, but that's not a paragon of class, the side pipes. The side pipes are so bad.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  They're weird. Yeah, it's just right off a Corvette.

• 33:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  That's a very unattractive car.

• 33:17Matt Farah?

  See, I think it has, it's a very specific charm. Remember yesterday when we were talking about with the Jaguar Type O1, the proportion of wheel height where you have that very small bit of body above the wheels?

• 33:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 33:31Matt Farah?

  It's got that.

• 33:31Speaker 01

  It does have that.

• 33:32Matt Farah?

  And it's got a really long dash to axle ratio. It's a real raked, a raked back look, not so much from this particular photo angle, but if you look at one profile, it is. I think it has some of the goods.

• 33:49Matt Farah?

  I think the Jaguar Type O1 is gonna be a little.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  Like a Town and Country, not a Town and Country, whatever.

• 33:55Speaker 01

  Like, it's got like, you know, cause this is how they made windows back then, right? They were, everything was very square.

• 34:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  So it's a little bit like DeVille Oldsmobile, but then at the front, they're like, can we just channel it at the nose and then put the tiniest headlights in the front on it?

• 34:07Matt Farah?

  They, riddle me this. Or just, just, you're not gonna be able to unsee this one, so I tell you. This is a Cadillac Cimarron Superbird.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:18Matt Farah?

  Basically, basically, right? Like if you super birded the nose of a Cimarron, you would, and then put like big ass rims on it.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 34:29Matt Farah?

  You'd essentially have.

• 34:30Speaker 01

  The seat pillar on the, on the Cimarron has like the rake that the Lagonda does.

• 34:35Matt Farah?

  Just put a, put a big ass nose cone on there and then chop the roof like two, three inches.

• 34:42Speaker 01

  And shrink the lights.

• 34:43Matt Farah?

  And, and, and make giant ass wheel arches.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  I will say, you, you did make a good point though, that the, the height of hood above wheel on the Lagonda is much smaller than on the Cimarron.

• 34:55Matt Farah?

  For sure. It's extremely luxurious. That, there's not much body panel there.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  There's so much body panel here versus.

• 35:04Matt Farah?

  Versus that.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  That's like two, the Lagonda's like two inches from the top of the hood to the top of the front fender.

• 35:08Matt Farah?

  By the way, do you, if you look at the photo of Evel Knievel's Lagonda, do you see the punch louvers in the hood? Cause it's got a Ford 427.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  Oh, gotta extract that heat. This car looks so thick, like this rocker's bad.

• 35:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But imagine it on hydraulics.

• 35:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, it'd be fun that way, sure.

• 35:26Matt Farah?

  Fucking cool. Anyway, that's fun.

• 35:31Matt Farah?

  What else? Was there, you were on your way to show me something else, I think, from this. And I stopped you at Lincoln Town Car on hydraulics.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  I mean, there was just, there's a good mix of stuff.

• 35:39Matt Farah?

  What is that?

• 35:40Speaker 01

  This, this is a Brabus Rocket Shooting Brake.

• 35:43Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  And also.

• 35:46Matt Farah?

  So this is based on an SL, right?

• 35:49Speaker 01

  I think, or an 80, or a GTS.

• 35:53Matt Farah?

  Oh, AMG.

• 35:54Speaker 01

  I think it's an AMG GTS.

• 35:55Matt Farah?

  AMG GTS. Oh, okay.

• 35:57Speaker 01

  But it is also like green carbon fiber. So I'm not sure if the entire, and the entire body was that like greenish emerald over carbon fiber. I don't know if the whole body is actually carbon fiber or if it's like paint or wrap like that. But this thing, the proportions looked good and.

• 36:13Matt Farah?

  That looks amazing. This is a Brabus Rocket Coupe? That dude.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:20Matt Farah?

  I'll tell you what, I may have had my differences with that guy, but they know how to make a good looking car.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  It was, yeah, they do.

• 36:26Matt Farah?

  They fucking, that is a, it looks almost, when I first saw this photo, small on my phone, when you posted it, I did not know what this was. And I thought this was a, I thought someone turned a Panamera into a coupe.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 36:40Matt Farah?

  That's sort of, I was like, oh shit, somebody made a 928.

• 36:43Speaker 01

  Well, that's your Porsche bias speaking.

• 36:44Matt Farah?

  Sure. But from that angle, you could see how I would have thought that. But yeah, Brabus Rocket GTS.

• 36:51Speaker 01

  I mean, look, that's all carbon.

• 36:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  And the proportions look good. How do I?

• 36:56Matt Farah?

  Scroll, is it? Yeah, that's it. That does look amazing.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  How angry is that? Isn't that cool?

• 37:02Matt Farah?

  Amazing. Wow.

• 37:03Speaker 01

  It's like a better looking, like Z4M coupe. For sure.

• 37:09Matt Farah?

  That's fucking cool.

• 37:10Speaker 01

  That thing, and it was just sitting out there on the front, and then they had a terrible white Brabus, like four by four squared convertible inside.

• 37:18Matt Farah?

  That glued on hood scoop?

• 37:20Speaker 01

  It just, I tapped a button. Okay. So that thing was awesome.

• 37:26Matt Farah?

  That's amazing.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  They also had, oh, the Spiker, the new Spiker. I would choose some other colors. Like, this is so garish.

• 37:35Matt Farah?

  Blinders is lying to me. Can you tell me what this color is?

• 37:37Speaker 01

  Everything you see here besides green is like copper pot.

• 37:41Matt Farah?

  Ah.

• 37:42Speaker 01

  Everything.

• 37:43Matt Farah?

  And that's bad?

• 37:44Speaker 01

  I just think it's a bit much. And I know that Spikers are.

• 37:46Matt Farah?

  Spikers are much. That's what their thing is, is being much.

• 37:50Speaker 01

  They are, there's a lot of bright work on them. They are shiny, but this, I think, just makes it look, this takes it from being like cool, tough airplane to rich airplane. You know? Does that make sense? It's like, like you order, you wanted your P51 Mustang, your Tom Cruise, and you go, can you make it? What if Williams and Sonoma did a collab? That's, that's what we're at.

• 38:11Matt Farah?

  I like my hand hammered copper pot that I got in Tuscany, but I suppose I don't need it on all my colors. You can get it in any color.

• 38:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, but Spikers are awesome. It's good to see them out in the wild. And 4GT, cause I love them.

• 38:23Matt Farah?

  Things, bouncing, yeah. Do they put dust on the ground to like poof out like that? Or is it just knocking its own rust off the bottom of the car?

• 38:34Speaker 01

  Uh, there was only one, only one person had some sort of, like, actually, it's cause the previous car had dripped some sort of fluid on the ground.

• 38:41Matt Farah?

  Kitty litter, right?

• 38:42Speaker 01

  So they put down kitty litter.

• 38:43Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 38:43Speaker 01

  But they got the little, you know, measuring glass here.

• 38:46Matt Farah?

  That's fun.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  It was wild.

• 38:48Matt Farah?

  That's fun.

• 38:48Speaker 01

  But I was gonna say, your car came up because I, I'm standing in the Autopian area, looking at like a PLP50 and some other weird thing. And this guy comes up and he goes, oh, Zach, you bought my Miata. And I haven't seen this person, my Miata was what, 2014?

• 39:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  Right? 2013. And I go.

• 39:06Matt Farah?

  You're trying to forget that time in your life. I mean, the car, the car part of it.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  The car was fun, but I, I reminded him that when I bought that car, there was a parking ticket attached to it that I got a letter for that I had not gotten. And the first time I ever, the first, when I got home to where we lived, I backed into a spot and when I stopped, it went. And I was like, the fuck. So every time I reversed, like, the brake dust cover was hitting something. And I remember that when I went to test drive the car with him, he had backed it into a space.

• 39:35Matt Farah?

  So that I didn't have to reverse.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  And I was like, yeah, man, I do remember that car. Do you remember these two things? And he hand waved that shit off and moved on with his story very quickly. But he is Sean's cousin. That this, this car world is so small.

• 39:49Matt Farah?

  He's Sean's cousin?

• 39:50Speaker 01

  He was like, oh, your Matt's, Matt's Mercedes is at my cousin's place. And he's like, Sean's my cousin.

• 39:56Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  What are the fucking odds of any of this? I haven't seen this person in 12 years. Wild.

• 40:03Matt Farah?

  But it's not like a bigger, middle-aged, shorter guy, is it?

• 40:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 40:09Matt Farah?

  It is?

• 40:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 40:09Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay. I think they like work together on some of the Mercedes builds. Not my car, but...

• 40:14Speaker 01

  This guy does aerospace something.

• 40:18Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  So, and he's been there. He's, he told me he's been there for like 10 years. He does like IT stuff.

• 40:22Matt Farah?

  500 cousins.

• 40:24Speaker 01

  Very, yeah, who knows?

• 40:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  But it was, the world, the world got smaller and smaller.

• 40:29Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:30Matt Farah?

  I mean, it's a career, I mean, this is kind of inside baseball, but we, we were gonna have a neighborhood meeting yesterday about, about all the break-ins. And then the rain, it was gonna be outside at someone's house and then, and the, the neighbors like called it off because of rain that didn't happen. And so Hannah and I were like, we'll have a happy hour at our house instead. So we invited like 12 people and over and got drunk at noon. Or 3pm.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 40:56Matt Farah?

  But, um, yeah, it was all right. And it was a two-meal day. And, uh, and a guy was like, told me that he used to work at the Polo store in Beverly Hills in like the 90s. This dude who's like, you know, 10 years older than me and lives in our neighborhood. And in like, it, you know, I knew a lot about that and like, I was like, oh, do you know this guy? And, and he was like, I knew his manager of the, the store he worked at when he was in college. Like through my, through my dad and all this stuff. It was like, and he lives around the corner from me, but like, I was in the east coast at the time. Like, the, the, the, this guy's like head exploded.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  That's pretty cool.

• 41:32Matt Farah?

  Which has nothing to do with cars, but...

• 41:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

• 41:34Matt Farah?

  Of Ralph Lauren.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  Six degrees of Ralph.

• 41:37Matt Farah?

  The six degrees of Ralph Lauren.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  The five feet of Ralph Lauren.

• 41:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The five foot three.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  The five feet of Ralph Lauren.

• 41:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's...

• 41:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, but, uh, yeah, next year, everyone should go to that car show. It's a fun time. They've got a little bit of everything, truly.

• 41:52Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm. I do love those guys. And we should definitely convince Beau that he should do a low ride. If he's this into the low rider now, if he's willing to put a cage in a limo, he's probably willing to put hydraulics in.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  He seemed excited about it. Yeah.

• 42:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah. There was a, I mean, a couple like crazy things, like, did you see this, the, the, the, all these new French cars in the last 24 hours?

• 42:13Speaker 01

  Yes, the new 2CV.

• 42:15Matt Farah?

  2CV, a new Alpine coupe that looks amazing. And a new Peugeot, uh, like RZ, RCZ, uh, coupe. It's like three new awesome looking French cars. What is going on? The 2CV looks actually dope.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  It is a very good looking car.

• 42:36Matt Farah?

  Like, I would, I would like to roll that in America, actually, if it's a...

• 42:41Speaker 01

  I was sitting with Jason Torchinsky when, like, he pulled up and he owns a 2CV. And he, and he's looking at it and I'm like, that looks great. He goes, I agree. I mean, this is a guy who loves that car and he, uh...

• 42:52Matt Farah?

  This Alpine is extremely sick.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  Whoa. It, it... For folks.

• 42:58Matt Farah?

  It looks, why, how did you end up on a Genesis Link?

• 43:00Speaker 01

  What?

• 43:01Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I think you got popped up and popped up on.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 43:04Matt Farah?

  Oof, boy, did you get...

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Genesis is creeping.

• 43:06Matt Farah?

  Genesis was creeping. It's on the, it's on the right. So that, the front angle, I mean, it just looks amazing of this. Uh, Road and Track, of course, has, uh, has photos that were published this morning.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  The Alpine Firebird.

• 43:18Matt Farah?

  It's, the headlights and the schnoz, slightly Firebird-y, but if you look at the other angles, it gets less Firebird quickly. It's clearly, it's clearly inspired by the, the second generation A110, the one from the 80s that uses the DeLorean engine, but with twin turbos on it. I am, look at the proportion of wheel to, to hood, just like we were talking about, not a lot of extra bodywork. Actually, I see a lot of Ferrari 512 BBI in this as well.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  I love this rear fender. That is awesome.

• 43:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That's a punchy rear fender. They out Oil Stain Lab'd. The Oil Stain Lab guy. The side profile is where it's at. If this thing has fucking DeLorean doors, I will, I will fucking nut myself. Yeah.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  Uh, well, I mean, with this, I guess, B-pillar...

• 44:07Matt Farah?

  It looks like it absolutely could.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  It might have to have DeLorean doors, right?

• 44:11Matt Farah?

  Sick, right?

• 44:12Speaker 01

  Well, that's also a very vertical engine. I don't know. But that is a very cool looking car.

• 44:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  God, the French, the French just, they know what to do.

• 44:19Matt Farah?

  I know. When it comes to protesting and building cars, the French are incredible. I would 100% fuck with this car. Right?

• 44:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:29Matt Farah?

  I was, do you, do you see, uh, you see Uncle Stav? Did you watch Stavie's, uh, special?

• 44:34Speaker 01

  Not yet.

• 44:35Matt Farah?

  You should. It's very funny. It's really good.

• 44:38Speaker 01

  Oh, his bit about the French was fantastic.

• 44:42Matt Farah?

  He's like, they, they take away one sick day a year and he's like, they just kidnapped the president's daughter.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's like, and a bunch of you guys have trucks, NAR15s, and you're just kind of sitting around not doing a whole lot of anything, are you? It's like, you're getting dunked on by a 19-year-old woman wearing a baguette.

• 44:56Matt Farah?

  No, it's like a 19-year-old gay dude on a Vespa, fat boy on a Vespa.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, wearing like Capri pants, right? He's like, yeah, 19-year-old guy in Capri pants is dunking on you in terms of protest.

• 45:07Matt Farah?

  Love Stavie. Uh, yeah, this 2CV is, I mean, actually, uh, you know, credit to, to Fiat. When they did relaunch the Fiat 500, it's kind of like that. It's a very good reinterpretation of, of what people think of when they think of the classic 2CV, um, design. They really got the, the cues right.

• 45:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:30Matt Farah?

  On this thing. The little streaks in the hood, that, uh, that shape of the bonnet that comes in, you know, almost like a Volkswagen Beetle. That hard line where the, the bonnet gets narrower down at the front and you have a sort of pontoons. The insane interior. I mean, you get any French car, you know, you get in, you're like tripping balls.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, very much so.

• 45:54Matt Farah?

  Like, this is like, if you're gonna do like a weird interior, you have to really go for it. And this is like fully going for it.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  It reminds me of the Pao a little bit.

• 46:06Matt Farah?

  That's what I'm, that, it really does. Hannah would lose her mind for this fucking car.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, she'd buy it in a second. Look at these lights. If you can do that as interior dome lights, that's so cool.

• 46:16Matt Farah?

  That's crazy.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  Isn't it? If these are, if these are soft, then it would...

• 46:20Matt Farah?

  Dude, it has bistro lights. There's no, what is more French than having fucking bistro lights?

• 46:27Speaker 01

  And look, I'm sure there's a cappuccino maker in here.

• 46:31Matt Farah?

  It has that pre selector style, like shifter, that's like just the cue ball sticking out of the dash.

• 46:37Speaker 01

  Look at this, so for people listening, you have a large, flat, yellow dashboard that's like pretty thin, right? Just like, imagine a shelf.

• 46:45Matt Farah?

  You're just sitting in a yellow bathtub, really.

• 46:47Speaker 01

  Jutting out from it is like a steering column and then the screen to the right of the steering column is not really mounted to the dashboard. There's just like a giant white cylinder that just goes 90 degrees out from the cylinder, uh, from the steering shaft. And then they mounted a screen to it and a controller. Like, this is...

• 47:03Matt Farah?

  It's craziness.

• 47:04Speaker 01

  It, it looks like a hairdryer. It looks like a hairdryer has been turned sideways and that's your dashboard.

• 47:09Matt Farah?

  I'm not sure you really, pull up a picture of a Nissan Pao interior. I'm not sure you appreciate just how similar this is to the Pao in so many ways. Like, the Pao is from 1989, but like, in a lot of ways, it is very, very similar where it's, you're sitting in a monochrome but fun colored bathtub.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 47:34Matt Farah?

  You have white ivory, uh, controllers that jut out from the, from the monochrome dash in weird ways. If you look at, if there's a photo that has the seat backs, um, the back of the front seats have exactly the same type of flap pockets for storage that you see in the new, uh, Citroen. Um, there's a lot of actually pertinent parallels between the Nissan Pao.

• 48:01Speaker 01

  I would wonder, and I'm, I'm gonna make an assumption, people can correct me in the comments, if the Pao was inspired by French cars.

• 48:08Matt Farah?

  Oh, totally.

• 48:09Speaker 01

  And then it's gone back around again.

• 48:11Matt Farah?

  Totally. Oh, is that, can you, that photo didn't seem, anyway. Anyway, go to the back of the, go to the back to the Citroen one. And, uh, oh, it's just a strappy thing there. I thought it was a seat back pouch. Sorry. It just like, looks like a grab hold strap. Which I'm not entirely sure what you do with that.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  I think you use that to pull the seat back in place.

• 48:33Matt Farah?

  Maybe.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  When you're putting stuff in it.

• 48:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, maybe. Unsure. But dude, that thing looks great.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  It does.

• 48:41Matt Farah?

  I mean, it's got the rollback top, it's got that very rounded, uh, curved roof with the appropriately shaped windows. The wheels are rad. Is it, uh, it's just, it's kind of funny if you don't speak French. Because it does say La Douche.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  It does.

• 48:59Matt Farah?

  On the front of it. And that makes me chuckle a little bit because I'm immature.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 49:04Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 49:05Speaker 01

  No, I saw it too.

• 49:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But fuck me, if they sell this in America, no joke, 100%, you've, you've sold one. My wife would fucking love it.

• 49:16Speaker 01

  As a city runner, it's an EV that looks this friendly.

• 49:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  And probably has the clever packaging that the 2CV was known for. Like, you put the back seats down, I bet you can carry all kinds of stuff.

• 49:26Matt Farah?

  Well, and it's an EV, right?

• 49:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:28Speaker 01

  And it would be modern-ish crash standards, which is good.

• 49:33Matt Farah?

  I don't, I think it would like, ah, man, Americans don't like fucking French cars.

• 49:38Speaker 01

  No.

• 49:39Matt Farah?

  But something tells me...

• 49:42Matt Farah?

  Maybe not in this administration, but something tells me

• 49:48Matt Farah?

  that EVs maybe will be able to change something about the 25-year import law, like maybe because emissions is not like a factor, you know, and, and global safety standards for cars, like crash standards and stuff are like somewhat standardized, you know, it's not like one country can sell, well, maybe some countries, but it's not like, you know, of the, in Europe, they're selling some dangerous, terrible car, right?

• 50:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 50:22Matt Farah?

  Like, it's, it's, it's a fucking Citroen, like, it's not gonna be...

• 50:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, the EU probably has pretty good crash standards because it's the EU.

• 50:31Matt Farah?

  Right, and you have no emissions, so it may, maybe there's a world in which the US government would allow these to be sold in America.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  Maybe, it would also be probably the most reliable of the French cars, because I mean, that was a big complaint of people in the past, you know, the cars were troublesome.

• 50:48Matt Farah?

  Sure, like 80s Peugeots.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  Sure, sure, and parts and service, but with EV, that's not a problem, and it looks, it looks so cool.

• 50:56Matt Farah?

  It does.

• 50:57Speaker 01

  It's super cute.

• 50:58Matt Farah?

  And some people might say, well, you think this looks cool, but like not a Fiat 500? And I didn't like think a Fiat 500 looked terrible when it came out either. My problem with the Fiat 500 was that it was a lot of money for what you got.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I, I felt like, at the time, it's competing directly with the Mini Cooper, and I like the packaging of them, I like the look of the Mini better, to be frank, I like the packaging better, I think, I think the cargo was similar, but it just, the, the more vertical rear window of the Mini Cooper seemed like it was easier to pack things.

• 51:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:28Speaker 01

  And I liked the driving position much better.

• 51:30Matt Farah?

  That's true, the driving position of the Fiat was weird.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  It was very, it felt very high, it felt like bar stool versus chair.

• 51:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, whereas, there's no que, here, it's like you're sitting in a, in a fucking beach chair. I mean, you see those things, they look like folding chairs from the beach.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 51:46Matt Farah?

  Oh, that bit, that, that, that's a, they've ripped that off of Ford.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  Or off Jeep.

• 51:51Matt Farah?

  Where they show the generations, has Jeep had one of those?

• 51:54Speaker 01

  Well, Jeep has lots of Jeep whimsy on the, hidden on the Jeep, Easter eggs.

• 51:58Matt Farah?

  The current Mustang has literally across the rear window

• 52:03Speaker 01

  Oh, it does?

• 52:04Matt Farah?

  A li, a line of the, of that, of the...

• 52:07Speaker 01

  So, does it go rock, wheel, caveman, Mustang, Mustang, Mustang?

• 52:10Matt Farah?

  I think it starts in 1965, but yeah.

• 52:15Matt Farah?

  It does not go back to like the Model T, yeah, but fuck me.

• 52:18Speaker 01

  It's a good car.

• 52:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's great. And like those, look at those wheels from the side, those wheels are exactly what you would get if you modernized the DeLorean wheels, which I love so much, the DeLorean turbine wheels.

• 52:31Speaker 01

  They also look like rally wheels to me.

• 52:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Paint them white, paint them white, put some fog lights on this bitch, yeah.

• 52:38Speaker 01

  I think I need to own a car with white wheels, I think it's in my near future. A lot of cool little details.

• 52:45Matt Farah?

  Do they sell Peugeots or Citroens in either Canada or Mexico?

• 52:52Matt Farah?

  If so, if they sell them in Mexico, okay, I have multiple homies that would be happy to register these things at their house, and we could carnet it up here from Mexico for a period of time.

• 53:06Speaker 01

  Citroen has no official, no new car dealerships in North America, so the brand exited the US and Canadian market in 73.

• 53:14Matt Farah?

  But could you order one fr, from, in France, from Mexico, right?

• 53:23Matt Farah?

  That's, that's the move.

• 53:24Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 53:25Matt Farah?

  Because they got Chinese, they got Chinese cars in Mexico, they don't give a fuck. Like, you have to have, I don't think you have to have a franchise dealership to get a car in Mexico, they don't care.

• 53:36Speaker 01

  That's probably true.

• 53:37Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 53:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:38Matt Farah?

  So, so I get, you know him, he was at my wedding, John's best friend. He, he now lives in Mexico.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 53:47Matt Farah?

  And he, and I was like, hey buddy, here's what I want, I want you to go on citroen.fr, I want you to order one of these to your house in Mexico, and if it shows up, you know, I'll, I'll pay for it.

• 54:02Speaker 01

  And then you gotta, yeah, drive it up here.

• 54:04Matt Farah?

  Carnet, one year, and then just, and then, oh boy, I have to drive it back to Mexico? That'll be a terrible weekend, va y à Guadalupe, one weekend, back up here, carnet again.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  What's the charging infrastructure down there like?

• 54:15Matt Farah?

  In Mexico?

• 54:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:16Matt Farah?

  You'd be shocked.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:18Matt Farah?

  It's good, uh, who just did it? I want to say, not just, maybe a year ago, I think our good friend Kristen Lee

• 54:25Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 54:26Matt Farah?

  Wrote a story, wrote a big story about the Mexican

• 54:29Speaker 01

  Chinese EVs.

• 54:30Matt Farah?

  Chinese cars and the charging infrastructure. I mean, it's like not great, but it's alright. My, the homie that I'm talking about in Mexico drives a Rivian. He's on his third Rivian, and that's, and he goes back and forth to, to Mexico from San Diego all the time on that thing. He would be very down to buy one, to try this. He's into, he's into adventures like that.

• 54:54Speaker 01

  This is, and

• 54:57Speaker 01

  the, um, the dates he likes to go on, at least based on when we went to dinner a year ago, his dates would love this car. They would think it's okay.

• 55:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, basically.

• 55:10Speaker 01

  It is very cute.

• 55:11Matt Farah?

  Pens, are you talking about pens, because you saw me bouncing this, or did that just come up on its own?

• 55:15Speaker 01

  I'm closing tabs.

• 55:16Matt Farah?

  You're closing tabs, and look, it's the Tactile Turn Pen, there's a few of these left. There's a link in our Instagram bio, brass pens, collab with the Tactile Turn Company, handmade, uh, really beautiful weight, beautiful patina, with a bright fucking fire engine hot rod red smoking tire

• 55:34Speaker 01

  Can't lose it.

• 55:35Matt Farah?

  Pen clip.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  You always know it.

• 55:36Matt Farah?

  Very, listen, mm, that's, that's nice. The patinas, there's only a few left, and then we're not gonna make them anymore, and then we'll make a new one later, but I love these things, they are great.

• 55:52Matt Farah?

  We, should we talk about the Hyundai Santa Cruz?

• 55:54Speaker 01

  Yes, oh, and real quick, sort of a correction on our Prius story, part of the reason Prius sales are down so much is that they are imported from Japan, and things like the Camry, RAV4 Hybrid, other cars are made in the US, so they, so the Prius prices went up a little bit because of tariffs, other cars didn't, so, just a quick addition.

• 56:14Matt Farah?

  That makes a, that makes a difference.

• 56:15Speaker 01

  I think that's why when we looked at the prices, we're like, why are these the same? That's why they're the same.

• 56:19Matt Farah?

  Because when you actually get to the showroom, they add a tariff bill on there?

• 56:24Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 56:24Matt Farah?

  Or that's why the Prius isn't cheaper?

• 56:26Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 56:27Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 56:27Speaker 01

  I think that's part of why it's not cheaper.

• 56:28Matt Farah?

  Sure, yeah, okay, yeah, that's a, that's totally fair correction, yeah, tariffs. We just, what's, what was it, the Ferrari, I think it was the Ferrari 296 Special, at Performance Car of the Year, you know, all these, these high-end European cars now have a, an aligned item on the, on the Monroonis for tariffs, and I think it was like $67,000 in tariffs.

• 56:56Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 56:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was, it was a big fucking num, I mean, the MSRP of this car started with a seven, but still, I mean, that's, you, you know, I'm not sure there's an amount of rich that you could be where you could look at a, you know, a $67,000 on tariffs line item and go, yeah, it's alright, you know, and not at le, not at least for a second go, whoa, you know?

• 57:22Speaker 01

  That's a good, yeah, it'd be, be funny, someone who donated money to the campaign, and now they look at their sheet and they go, huh?

• 57:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, right, the, um, I bet other countries, though, that have had tariffs for a long time, and other countries do have tariffs, are like, that's my American privilege showing right there, the tariffs are like a thing that I have to deal with now. For like the three people in like Singapore that are listening to this show, they're like, haha, you think that's a tariff, you know?

• 57:52Speaker 01

  My buddy, uh, shout out Avin, he's from Malaysia, and he was explaining some more backstory to the grand tour, this new grand tour, they went from Singapore to Malaysia, and one of the, so, in, in the episode, when they're in Singapore, they're showing all these cars getting cut apart, and they're like, oh, this is so sad, why are they doing this, why are they killing these cars? Because you can bring them into Singapore as parts cars, and then, some people will weld them back together.

• 58:16Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 58:16Speaker 01

  And then drive them around.

• 58:17Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  So, he said, one of the ways to flex in some of those countries is if you open your door and you point at the floor, and you're like, no weld marks, like this is a complete car.

• 58:26Matt Farah?

  That's so funny.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:27Matt Farah?

  My car started as one car.

• 58:29Speaker 01

  Exactly, yeah, exactly, my car's not some piecemeal.

• 58:33Matt Farah?

  That's so funny, the fucking custom plate no welds sold for like 8 million dollars in Singapore. That's crazy, my shit's not re-welded together, wow.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  Just fix it.

• 58:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, um, okay, should we talk about the Santa Cruz?

• 58:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:52Matt Farah?

  I don't have, my photos are on my phone.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  Go get your phone, it's like 12 feet away.

• 58:57Matt Farah?

  I mean, I don't have that, I have a, I have a phone, I meant to take more.

• 59:00Speaker 01

  Okay, I'll just...

• 59:03Matt Farah?

  In the meantime, did you, yeah, there is, that's it, the green one, up there, that pretty picture is the one we have, because it's a press car, and that's a press photo.

• 59:18Matt Farah?

  I actually have wanted to drive the Hyundai Santa Cruz for a while. I, you know, as, as, as I like the, the, the minimum viable utility vehicle, right? And, uh, and, uh, here we have a car-based pickup truck. Um, it's funny because yesterday I was driving it, uh, with Hannah. We were running some errands around and she pointed out a Subaru Baja that was next to us in traffic and she's like, man, like, look at that. She's like, they don't, they don't make like, like cars like that anymore. And I'm like, you're in that. That's, that's this car.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  She's not wrong, but in that moment, oh my God.

• 1:00:03Matt Farah?

  It does, it's a reminder of, of how much smaller a 2005 car is than a 2026 equivalent. Right? But also, you know, the cognitive dissonance between the fact that these essentially are serving the same, the same customer, right? Um, and also, you know, you get to explain to someone who can't possibly figure out why Subaru Bajas are like $25,000 collectible cars. And people who own them are like, from my cold, dead hands, you know? They're like in a trust.

• 1:00:34Speaker 01

  That's the Subaru Bitcoin. Holding on to it.

• 1:00:37Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  In a trust, yeah.

• 1:00:38Matt Farah?

  It's gold, baby. Especially if it's a stick, ooh.

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

  Yellow.

• 1:00:43Matt Farah?

  Shit's gone. No, I think the Holy Grail is a black stick.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:00:47Matt Farah?

  I don't think yellow is a plus in the Baja world.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  It never is.

• 1:00:51Matt Farah?

  But if you've got a green or a black and stick, that shit, especially if it's a limited, ooh, baby.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  964.

• 1:00:58Matt Farah?

  Shit's gone.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  I saw a 944S convertible yesterday. That seems quite rare.

• 1:01:03Matt Farah?

  944S convertible is pretty rare.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, 968 convertibles, very rare. Um, drive like shit.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  Anyway.

• 1:01:13Matt Farah?

  What, one day, you know, we never, I suspect that, that one day there will be a company that is resto modding Subaru Bajas to boomers who will pay $100,000 for one. Not like modding, modding, just like, uh, the last, whatever the most, what was the last year of STI, 2020, 2019, 20, it's only that, 17?

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:37Matt Farah?

  Whatever it was, the last generation STI, powertrain, and then just a fully refreshed OEM interior with a six-speed and just restored to stock looking, but with a, a stock STI powertrain and, and charging $100, $125,000 for that.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  I feel like that, that is a market of one. I think that, that's a car that someone would approach a shop and say, will you build this? I don't know if a shop could make, be like, we're doing a run of 10. Cause I don't think the Baja owner wants the performance, most of them, of the STI.

• 1:02:07Matt Farah?

  No, they don't. They just want new.

• 1:02:09Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:02:10Matt Farah?

  It wouldn't have to be, it wouldn't have to be 400 horsepower. It would just have to like, feel quick.

• 1:02:16Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:02:16Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 1:02:17Speaker 01

  Well, if you got, I think they made a Baja XT, right? So you just put a downpipe on it and go quick. It's honestly the same, the same.

• 1:02:23Matt Farah?

  No, no, but the key is to restore it because people who have them, they're not squirreled away with low miles. They're, they get used, so they're gonna need to be freshened.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  That'd be very funny. What a world.

• 1:02:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah. There's a business there, I think. So anyway, the Hyundai Santa Cruz is essentially that. It's the, it's the, it's the Honda Ridgeline. It's the, it's the, it's the unibody, drives like a car, truck. And I didn't have a whole lot of truck things to do, um, while I had it. It, it won't tow, so I'm, it's not on my list for things to tow our little Brian James trailer. Um, but, you know, Hannah drove it and I drove it and it, it, it's, uh, drives just like, you know, a Hyundai crossover. There's, there's essentially no dynamic penalty to it having, what is it? About a four or five foot, uh, bed?

• 1:03:17Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, it is, I think it's five feet.

• 1:03:19Matt Farah?

  Five?

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  And I think that's a, a point of contention within the truck world, so we can talk about that in a second.

• 1:03:24Matt Farah?

  Okay. Uh, well, whatever, it's got the, it's got a, a lovely, uh, sliding hard.

• 1:03:30Speaker 01

  52 inches, so it's four feet four.

• 1:03:32Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:32Matt Farah?

  Oh, is that it's not five feet a problem?

• 1:03:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, yeah, pretty much. I mean, if you're like, I think the, one of the complaints when I, I drove this years ago was, uh, you can't put like a mountain bike in it. It has to hang over the back. Or you can't put a motorcycle in a diagonal in it with the bed, with the, the gate closed, you'll have to have the gate down.

• 1:03:51Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  Which means that anything else in there has to be secured. So depends on what kind of truck things you're going to do.

• 1:03:57Matt Farah?

  Sure. It would be interesting if they, if they essentially did a two-door version of the same vehicle that was just more bed, you know?

• 1:04:07Speaker 01

  Like a ute?

• 1:04:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like a, like a, like an extended cab rather than a quad cab with a five and a half foot bed, you know, ute. That could be kind of interesting. Or if they did, sort of like, remember the Chevy Avalanche where the backseat could sort of fold down and become longer bed? Remember that?

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:04:27Matt Farah?

  The back of the, it was like a.

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  It was like the wall could be taken down and then you could put stuff in it.

• 1:04:32Matt Farah?

  Pretty neat. Our homie, shout out to our, our homie and, uh, ad sales agent, David Raphael, who uses a Chevy Avalanche as his tow vehicle. Um, and insisted I, insisted I checked out a 2013 Chevy Avalanche.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  Kind of like, what, XT?

• 1:04:49Matt Farah?

  The XT, yeah, the Tony Soprano version of a, of a tow vehicle, for sure. Um, but, uh, I will say, and that actually, the extended cab could be a good move because there's not a lot of backseat room if you're sitting in the front and you're tall. This, this, uh, you do give up some backseat room and you can even kind of see it if, just by looking at a photo of it. This one had the 2.5, um, turbo. It's fine. It doesn't sound that great. It sounds kind of like tinny and cheap, um, but it, it, it moves the thing along at a, at an adequate pace. Um, the manual gear selector's responsive if you need it. Um, I had, and maybe you can tell me if you had this, Zach.

• 1:05:33Matt Farah?

  I had like a real annoying, unsolvable issue with this multimedia system. And it's just a fucking Hyundai system. It's not any, on the surface, it's not different from other Hyundai systems I've used, internal combustion Hyundai systems. When you had CarPlay, uh, connected, which I did, and when you went to use Sirius Radio, which we like to listen to, if you have Sirius up and, you know, the, the list of stations is up and you've selected a station and now you're playing the station you want and you want to go back to the screen that has your CarPlay Google Maps on it, you click the CarPlay icon, it turns off the music.

• 1:06:17Matt Farah?

  It switches it to CarPlay music also.

• 1:06:20Speaker 01

  I didn't listen to Sirius when I had, uh, the Kona.

• 1:06:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  So CarPlay worked very well for me, but I wasn't mixing the, the two systems, but that is a flaw.

• 1:06:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's, this is, I think, the only vehicle I've ever driven where it did this. And I did it, funny enough, not 100% of the time, but the majority of the time.

• 1:06:42Speaker 01

  So when you, when that would happen, were you then able to like, somehow open the half screen with Sirius and hit play again and then to tell it, I want to listen to this, but look at this map?

• 1:06:51Matt Farah?

  So once Sirius, so I, I would then go back to Sirius, hit play, hit like, go play on that again. I then would go to the home screen that has the sort of grid and then hit CarPlay from there and it would, uh, it would work. It would stay on.

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:07:13Matt Farah?

  But like, I would just forget to do that. I would not remember to go to the home screen like every time I wanted to change the station.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, maybe they can update that because you'd want it where it wouldn't start playing an Apple CarPlay audio source unless you hit play on that audio source.

• 1:07:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  Cause there's obviously so many other things we do in a car.

• 1:07:30Matt Farah?

  And if you weren't, if you had hit, if you hit pause on the Apple audio source, went back to the process and didn't go back to the home screen again, it would turn off the Sirius, but it wouldn't play anything. It would just get silent.

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:07:46Matt Farah?

  So it would literally cut off that source and go to this source. It would not let you most, most of the time. Every once in a while it would stay on. So I, I, I don't know. It could be this vehicle have, having a problem. It's the only time it's ever, literally ever happened in a car that wouldn't do this. The other way around it eventually was to program favorites and then with the Google Map, when you finally got it to work, to just scroll through your favorites on the steering wheel, that, that didn't kick it out.

• 1:08:18Speaker 01

  Hmm. So you have that home screen where half of it is Google Map through CarPlay and on the right side.

• 1:08:24Matt Farah?

  I could never get the home screen to be that.

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:08:26Matt Farah?

  The home screen would only ever show, now there, I couldn't figure out how to rearrange the home screen. The home screen would show the native nav and then, uh, the, the Sirius and then some other thing. And, and so from there, but from there, there's a row of icons at the bottom, one of which is CarPlay. And so from, you'd have to go radio, home, CarPlay. Or, once you got to CarPlay, then you could flick through your favorites on Sirius, which is just a weird thing and I don't want to like linger on it for like too long in case it's not an intentional way the system should be used. And the Elantra wasn't like that.

• 1:09:07Matt Farah?

  We had, um, I had a Santa Fe, uh, like last month, it was not like that. Um, so it may just be this vehicle having an issue. It was like 4,500 miles on this particular truck.

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:09:21Matt Farah?

  But that that was the only thing about this car where I was like, what the fuck is going on? Everything else about it was straightforward, comfortable and easy to me.

• 1:09:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's a Tucson with the back cut off of it, right? And when I mean, I drove one years ago, but it drives like a comfy crossover. So and at the it was funny, I think this came out and I think I think the Maverick came out a year later. Like the timing was very close. It was like Hyundai developed this thing. They brought this short truck back and then the Maverick came out and beat it. But I mean, it's one of their biggest sellers for Ford and it's outsold this no problem.

• 1:10:01Matt Farah?

  Have you actually driven a Maverick?

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, Cory's, I like it.

• 1:10:03Matt Farah?

  You did?

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:10:04Matt Farah?

  Do you drive better or as good as this?

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  I think it drives very, very similar.

• 1:10:08Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, it feels like it's a unibody thing. Drives pretty much like a car comfy. I think, you know, the interior in the Maverick looks slightly more truckish.

• 1:10:18Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  Like they're hinting at F-150 Bronco, whatever. This looks you get in and it looks exactly like a Hyundai crossover, like a car.

• 1:10:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  So slightly different vibes, but Maverick is totally comfortable and you know, the hybrid gets really good gas mileage.

• 1:10:31Matt Farah?

  And it has the five foot bed.

• 1:10:33Speaker 01

  Thing has a longer bed.

• 1:10:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, I if it was me shopping, I would probably buy the Maverick if it assuming it drives the same. We should try and get one of the press vehicle.

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  Let's see Ford Maverick bed length is four and a half at the floor. So it's actually really, really 42 inches wide at the wheels.

• 1:10:52Matt Farah?

  I think you have to have the tailgate down to put a motorcycle in a Maverick as well.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Mavericks bed is two inches longer.

• 1:10:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  That's very funny.

• 1:11:00Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:11:00Speaker 01

  I wonder if it just sold more because people associate Ford with trucks, which obviously they do.

• 1:11:05Matt Farah?

  It looks more like a pickup truck too.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  Also that.

• 1:11:08Matt Farah?

  I think I think, you know, wanting to admit it or not, people who want a truck, want a sort of tough looking truck. And also you it probably the Maverick has lower, lower bed rail access, I think from the sides. Like if you're standing next to a Maverick on the side versus standing next to a Santa Cruz on the side, like reaching into the bed from the side is easier in a Maverick.

• 1:11:36Speaker 01

  Right, this has that ridgeline Cybertruck thing where yeah, it's harder to reach into.

• 1:11:41Matt Farah?

  Cybertruck's a little mean for the.

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  No, no, but I'm just.

• 1:11:44Matt Farah?

  The higher.

• 1:11:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's higher. It's more difficult to access the bed from the Cybertruck is the most egregious example, but the ridgeline did it too, where it has this tapered slope. Looks cool, but if you want to grab something that's up near the wall, it's pretty hard.

• 1:11:57Matt Farah?

  Probably impossible. Their dynamics.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  Probably does.

• 1:11:59Matt Farah?

  Probably feels efficient.

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, probably keeps the air from dropping into the bed earlier.

• 1:12:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But in general, like I thought it rode well. I thought it steered nicely, you know, it definitely is the drives like a car truck. And if you just, you know, not everybody needs a pickup truck to haul really heavy shit. Some people just it's like gardening stuff or it's, you know, stuff for home improvement projects or just you have a dirty hobby like fishing or hunting or whatever, like, you know, going going out bird hunting a lot like, you know, my, my father does, like he wouldn't need a, he would not need a F-150 at like, let me just say, when we go hunting, because we do every couple of times a year.

• 1:12:46Matt Farah?

  People, most people that come to this place to hunt are driving F-350 Platinum King Ranch blah, blah, blahs. And their hitch, their hitch connectors are like perfectly clean, have never been used. And they're pulling the same stuff out of the bed that we're pulling out of the back of my dad's Toyota Highlander.

• 1:13:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:13:07Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean? And like, but there's an argument for wanting a dirty, a dirty place to throw your stuff because it gets muddy and we have to have the trunk of the Highlanders cleaned out like all the time because it's like mud and shit. This would be the correct choice, actually, or something like it.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  It's a, it's a really comfortable thing to drive around and it's small and placeable. I think that's why the Maverick, I like the Maverick so much or this, it's car size. You can do stuff like you're saying, get things dirty.

• 1:13:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  And it's easy to park in a city. So quick note, so the Santa Cruz MSRP starts at like 30 grand or wait, $26,000 starting. The Maverick hybrid starts at like 31 and gets way better miles per gallon. If you get a gas one, then they're more comparable, but that's also part of why the Maverick has been selling so well. I'm not trying to crap on the Santa Cruz, I'm just like, they're competitors and here's why one is selling more than the other.

• 1:14:02Matt Farah?

  And it is, it is good. I said, I said the backseat was was not great if you're tall in the front, but the front seat is good if you're tall in the front, actually. It has a lot of front leg room, so I enjoyed it. Actually, I thought it was nice to drive around.

• 1:14:15Speaker 01

  I think overall these are more of these is good. These kind of smaller pickup trucks, trucks are big and kind of unwieldy depending on where you live. And so having a smaller option is cool. That's why they're popular.

• 1:14:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I'm into it.

• 1:14:30Matt Farah?

  I am, I'm finally impressed. It took, it took 10 years, but did you see that Germany forced Tesla to stop calling FSD FSD in Germany? They now must call it assisted driving.

• 1:14:47Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:14:47Matt Farah?

  They, they made it, they said it was false advert, you know, false advertising. And it's now assisted driving, which is good, which it really should have been from the beginning. I don't, I don't, I don't hate the term assisted driving.

• 1:15:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:06Matt Farah?

  Which is what, which is what it's supposed, it's what they tell the DMV it is.

• 1:15:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:15:11Matt Farah?

  As opposed to their customer.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:15:13Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  It's like FSD has become their, their brand, but you know, it's Coca-Cola, but it's a beverage or whatever that you call it.

• 1:15:21Matt Farah?

  So anyway, that's good.

• 1:15:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:23Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 1:15:23Speaker 01

  That is good.

• 1:15:24Matt Farah?

  Hope it's only Germany for now. It's not the entire EU, but something.

• 1:15:28Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:15:29Matt Farah?

  Something is better than nothing.

• 1:15:30Speaker 01

  Well, great things start in Germany and then spread across.

• 1:15:36Matt Farah?

  Like beer, right?

• 1:15:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, beer, fast cars, engineering.

• 1:15:42Matt Farah?

  Did you see that R129 Mercedes SL sold for $449,000 on Bring a Trailer?

• 1:15:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, what the fuck is going on?

• 1:15:50Matt Farah?

  It's a, it's an SL 600 with a, with a 7.4 liter RenTech engine in it.

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  So it's a modified car.

• 1:16:00Matt Farah?

  Yes, and sort of no.

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  I mean, it's RenTech, so I.

• 1:16:06Matt Farah?

  So Ren, you know, you and I have met Hartman and Hartman was, wasn't a real, an old school AMG guy. He's the, he's the RenTech guy and, and he is the main guy who services original RenTech in the US. He offers packages for AMG. He's, he was, he was one of the guys who did the original six liter V8 4cam engines. And so, so a lot of people, and I was reading the Reddit thread that was like, bring a trailers, all bullshit. And, and there was a story last week about a dealer that got busted chill bidding their own auctions, which was fucking pretty crazy, but.

• 1:16:51Speaker 01

  The Corvette thing?

• 1:16:52Matt Farah?

  The Corvette thing, yeah. But, um, you know, but, but people saying this is a tuner. It's and it's like, well, it's a little, it's a little closer than that.

• 1:17:03Matt Farah?

  My first thought actually was that somebody from Pagani was bidding on this thing in order to get the engine to put it in a Zonda.

• 1:17:14Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:17:15Matt Farah?

  Because almost the like for, for many, many years, when these cars, when an SL 73 or an SL 60, 63 or like the, the earlier 129s that were from AMG, they're kind of rare, but had the bigger V12, when they were like 100 grand to 150 grand, it was like pretty well known that Pagani was buying them up just for the engines to build more Zondas.

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:17:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:44Matt Farah?

  It's not, well, it wasn't even particularly that controversial. So my first thought was, you know, that, that that's what was happening here. They saw another Zonda in it, but it doesn't seem like the bidder, it seems like the bidder who won is a legitimate collector.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  And like. It was, I guess it was modified in period, so it was bought in 90, it's a 97 and it was modified in 98 by RenTech. So that it's not roof level, but it's close, right? That's how we describe RenTech, like they're not, they're not their own VIN number.

• 1:18:15Matt Farah?

  No.

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  But it is at the time, probably one of, if not the most respected Mercedes modifier of the time.

• 1:18:22Matt Farah?

  It's up there and there is a direct factory connection to AMG. And the S, you know, you could get an SL 73 from Mercedes and this is an SL 74.

• 1:18:34Speaker 01

  Mine goes to 11.

• 1:18:35Matt Farah?

  Which is pretty awesome. And, and, um, you know, he's got Hartman had a great reputation. And also I think this thing has, has low miles and is amazing condition.

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  About 18,000 miles.

• 1:18:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, low miles and amazing condition and it comes with a hard top. And, and, and so it's, it's a primo primo car.

• 1:18:56Matt Farah?

  It does, that's more money than.

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  That's insane.

• 1:19:01Matt Farah?

  It is. It does, it does seem insane, but it's, there's a combination of it's not just a tuner car. Find another one, because I'm not sure I've ever actually seen another one of these, and I don't know how many they made. And someone who's probably got just, that's actually, that's a different roof.

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  Well, it's got a hardtop and softtop.

• 1:19:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but I think that hardtop is not the same shape as the hardtop I had.

• 1:19:28Speaker 01

  Yours, I think, had a thicker pillar.

• 1:19:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I wonder if this is a different, like, fastback-y type hardtop. I, I don't know if I've ever, that looks a little different from my hardtop.

• 1:19:37Speaker 01

  I think yours just had more this.

• 1:19:39Matt Farah?

  I don't know if they changed the hardtop, because mine was a 2001 versus this one, but huh. Or if there's a special SL73 top that they did. I don't know. Maybe go back to the auction and see the same difference. Anyway, I think this is a pretty rare thing in amazing condition, and, and, and I'm not surprised that they got, oh, maybe because it's a glass top and mine was the, was a metal one, that could be why. You know, I'm not surprised that two people got into it who, you know, have virtually unlimited money to spend. I don't think it's a good investment, but I think there's, there's two idiots out there.

• 1:20:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess that's what, I mean, that's crazy. It is.

• 1:20:24Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow. Look at the top of that dash is all fucked up.

• 1:20:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's weird.

• 1:20:28Matt Farah?

  That's one of those parts, dude. There's a couple on all SLs, there's a couple of parts. That's just leather?

• 1:20:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:38Matt Farah?

  God, for that kind of money, I'd just rewrap that motherfucker. Jesus. That's kind of chintzy for that, for that sort of money, doesn't it?

• 1:20:46Speaker 01

  It looks like.

• 1:20:46Matt Farah?

  Looks like mold.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it looks like mold vinegar stain on the gray leather just above the HVAC, center HVAC.

• 1:20:53Matt Farah?

  For that kind of money, that's a little crazy. You'd think that even if you were going to get a third of that money, you'd just have that, you'd spend two grand to have that fixed.

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  I mean, I guess, look, this is, is this a case where you just have the right amount of AMG nerd, like, shant, you know, but with unlimited money? And as you said, how many of these are out there? I'll, I'll look it up in a second. So it's just simple to supply and demand. It just seemed like, basically $500,000 for this car. You know, for a 97 SL, that is, it's going to be fast, but it also is still going to have that terrible transmission that Doug Demiro likes, which is a funny story. Uh, okay.

• 1:21:32Matt Farah?

  He likes, he likes what? The jigsaw?

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  No, no, he put a clip out saying, like, I don't know why people are swapping manuals into their AMGs. He thinks they're better as, like, long-legged GT cars. I go, yeah, but, and he's, one of his colleagues, like, this five-speed sucks. If this had a good auto, DCT, or even like, a decent, like, like the Dodge transmission, if you put that in here, great.

• 1:21:56Matt Farah?

  If he thought that, why did he only keep his, he had an E500 for like, six minutes, and he sold it because he was bored of it. And when I had the 129, we, and sold that, we'd said the same exact thing. Like, it, the best thing it does is look cool and be built well. The, the driving part of it is boring. The fucking five-speed swapped Matt Quick 190E with the 4.3 in it was vastly more exciting than any fact. You talk, one of the most, you, you basically drove one. That, even the one from Curated, which was, which was a great car, like, and the one I had here, which was a 6-liter wide-body fucking Hammer.

• 1:22:40Matt Farah?

  Is there, is there a more boring $750,000 car on the planet?

• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  Nope. Because it downshifts like my Crown Vic.

• 1:22:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:48Matt Farah?

  I, I mean, it looks menacing, you know, you're the king of any car show, you look like a badass, and they're rare, but. So that's, that's this. That's the same as this.

• 1:22:59Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:23:00Matt Farah?

  There, there's your argument. Your argument, the argument should be, if a Mercedes 560 SEC, 6-liter wide-body from AMG is 800,000, why should this not be 4 or 450? And there's probably a lot fewer of these.

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  Hmm, that's a good point.

• 1:23:21Matt Farah?

  Did you get, happened to get a number?

• 1:23:22Speaker 01

  I think I found some comms. Well, this is Rentech will build you this.

• 1:23:26Matt Farah?

  Hobby. That looks awesome with those HREs on it, though.

• 1:23:31Speaker 01

  In green.

• 1:23:31Matt Farah?

  That looks fucking tough as hell. So they'll build you one today?

• 1:23:35Speaker 01

  They'll build you one today.

• 1:23:36Matt Farah?

  Dude, it looks awesome with the Recaro seats. Oh, that would, let me tell you something.

• 1:23:41Speaker 01

  I wonder if it's cheaper to buy one like this?

• 1:23:42Matt Farah?

  That's, that's an, well, this is from 2001, this.

• 1:23:46Speaker 01

  No, that's a review from 2001.

• 1:23:47Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. If, if you, if I was getting another Mercedes, which I am, having properly supportive seats would make a really big difference, and even those Recaros that they just show in that, in this photo would do it. The way I'm doing it with shant is, I think, going to be a little better for my car.

• 1:24:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:24:08Matt Farah?

  Um, did you see that? Did you see how he did that?

• 1:24:11Speaker 01

  Wait, real quick, I was wrong. This is an, they pasted the article, they, they pasted the story about this car that was built years ago, so you can't, it's just on Rentech's website, but you can't order one right now. Well, maybe you can.

• 1:24:24Matt Farah?

  This looks like the same car.

• 1:24:27Speaker 01

  It does.

• 1:24:27Matt Farah?

  This looks like, look, 18,000 miles from 2021. This is the same car. This is the for-sale ad?

• 1:24:36Speaker 01

  This is like.

• 1:24:36Matt Farah?

  Go down, is there a price?

• 1:24:37Speaker 01

  200 grand in period to build it.

• 1:24:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:24:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That's a, holy shit, that's a lot of writing. But this looks like the same car, though, for sure. Yeah, it is. GM Classics. That's the, that's the, that was one of the commenters on the, on the auction.

• 1:24:54Speaker 01

  This is not a sale page.

• 1:24:55Matt Farah?

  Anyway, that's, it's crazy, but I don't think it's, I don't think it's as improbable as other people. It, it was kind of bound to happen sooner or later. Yeah. And I think, I, I think, I don't think I'm giving it enough credit. I think this SL with five-speed and a giant V12 would be, would be more exciting to drive than some other AMG cars.

• 1:25:18Speaker 01

  You think it'd be more exciting than a Hammer?

• 1:25:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:21Speaker 01

  It'd be more, it'd be faster, I bet, because it's 20 years newer.

• 1:25:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's 575 horsepower. That's not nothing.

• 1:25:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:29Speaker 01

  Good point.

• 1:25:30Matt Farah?

  It's not what I would spend that much money on, but I, but I get it.

• 1:25:33Speaker 01

  But when you figure it out, yeah, it makes sense.

• 1:25:34Matt Farah?

  Dude, the car that I'm, the car that I'm actually getting is like 80% of this. And it's like $70,000.

• 1:25:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:25:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Do you see the picture of the exhaust? I, I put it on Instagram this morning. Did you see it? Matt Quick sent it to me. He's like, he's like, I'm working on your shocks, but in the meantime, here's a picture of the exhaust we built for you. The cat back is from Supersprint. And he, and he, and the front half from the cat forward, he makes.

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  Oh, cool.

• 1:26:08Matt Farah?

  It sounds meety.

• 1:26:10Speaker 01

  Yeah? Did he send you a clip?

• 1:26:11Matt Farah?

  No, he, I didn't, he didn't send me a clip from my car, but I heard one, the exact same setup on another car while I was there, and it was really nice. It had a great tone. It wasn't too ridiculous. It was like exactly the kind of thing you would want on a, a GT with a V8 engine swap. Yeah.

• 1:26:33Speaker 01

  Well, it's very shiny.

• 1:26:34Matt Farah?

  And it has a single, a single exit. I mean, it's a, it's a twin tip, and it's actually a true dual exhaust, but it comes out of one side.

• 1:26:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it goes, and both pipes go through one muffler on that side, and like resonators and all kinds of stuff.

• 1:26:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  And props to you for putting cats in, right?

• 1:26:52Matt Farah?

  There are cats. Yeah, there, it has cats. Yeah.

• 1:26:54Speaker 01

  Good.

• 1:26:54Matt Farah?

  Now, I, look, I don't, I don't think, even with cats, it's a smog-compliant vehicle, but it's like, you know, we're making the effort. It's not going to be, it's not going to be any dirtier than it was if it was a 2002 E55. That's for sure.

• 1:27:09Speaker 01

  At least sitting behind you, I won't get drunk, you know, when you idle in traffic.

• 1:27:13Matt Farah?

  No, but like, you couldn't, like, it isn't possible, because the chassis is different, to like, use the actual cats, like, factory cats from the E55. Like, they don't fucking fit in this chassis.

• 1:27:25Speaker 01

  So you couldn't bar?

• 1:27:26Matt Farah?

  You can't bar it. Yeah, yeah. Because you, you just, you'd have to modify the whole firewall. Like, it would just be, it would spiral so far out of control, like, it can't be done. But like, this, this, it's going to be functionally a clean car. Yeah, yeah. No matter what the state says. It's going to be really cool. Anyway, that's fun. And I have the story about Manti, which I didn't want to scoop myself on a couple of weeks ago, from Spain. That's up at Ruin Track. You can go read it. Manti kits are very cool. The reason Manti kits are very cool is because they add downforce without adding drag,

• 1:28:09Matt Farah?

  which is like, that's some magical shit. And a bunch of the comments on my post were like, wait a minute, how is that? Uh, oh, they, there you go, bottom right. They, they, they were like, wait a minute, how is that even possible? And, and, and the way it's possible is, the downforce elements are offset by efficiency elements. So like, the wing and the splitter add a bunch of downforce, but the aero discs and the shark fin add, add efficiency. And they off, they, they offset each other to end up in the same place.

• 1:28:51Matt Farah?

  And long-veined undertrays add both downforce and efficiency, which is interesting.

• 1:28:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:59Matt Farah?

  So, and that's what, the biggest difference in the non-RS GT3 is they triple the length of the veins in the diffuser.

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:29:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So that, that adds a bunch, because like, the whole reason that Manti gets to be not factory equipment, but dealer-installed and non-warranty-voiding, whatever, the entire reason is that they don't make the fuel efficiency worse. That's the whole reason. In fact, hilariously, and if you scroll down, is there a, a photo of the wings of the cars? There's a setting, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going.

• 1:29:41Matt Farah?

  Continua, continua. I don't have a good shot of a GT3 wing. There we go. So, in this particular photo, which you can see at roadandtrack.com, the wings are not hugely different from the, this is the regular Manti GT3, not the RS. The wings aren't enormously different. The endplates are bigger and there's another, there's an extra sort of element on the outside of the wing and the center section is mostly the same. It's lighter, but it also, then you have the aero discs on the rear wheels and you have those little dive planes up at the front.

• 1:30:22Speaker 01

  Little canards, yeah.

• 1:30:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but the big thing is the undertray in this car, right? So, there's, the angle of the wing is manually adjustable. So hilariously, when they install the kit at the dealer, there's a low, a low downforce setting and then you can at home change the wrench and, you know, like many of these wings, it is, it is not allowed to drive the car on the road in the high downforce setting because it will not meet its fuel economy regulations. But in the, but it makes a crazy amount of downforce.

• 1:30:58Speaker 01

  Track only tire.

• 1:30:59Matt Farah?

  In that setting, it makes like a huge amount of downforce. And if you had it in the, in the, in the regular setting, it makes like 40% less downforce, but that's the, but the fuel economy is not affected. The aero discs are really doing a lot of work and the diffusers are really doing a lot of work towards that fuel efficiency. And so that's, and in the RS, the Manti RS, that crazy shark fin that looks like an LMP car, that does add some, some bit of lateral downforce, like a small amount, but what it really does is add fuel efficiency. And that RS kit would not be road legal without, forget the track,

• 1:31:41Matt Farah?

  without the shark fin, the Manti RS kit would not be street legal.

• 1:31:46Speaker 01

  Cause it would be too inefficient.

• 1:31:48Matt Farah?

  It would be too inefficient.

• 1:31:49Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:31:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The shark fin makes the difference between street legal and not street legal.

• 1:31:53Speaker 01

  This is why all the, you know, LeMans cars, LMP1 cars have a lot of this vertical element and it's probably for fuel, I didn't know that. It's for fuel efficiency.

• 1:32:01Matt Farah?

  It's both. According to the Manti engineers, it does provide both functions, but it's more for efficiency than it is for lateral downforce.

• 1:32:10Speaker 01

  Wow, that's really, really cool.

• 1:32:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Really interesting. But those aero discs do, do provide a lot.

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  I didn't realize that. I didn't realize it was such a balance of like, that's making the car slipperier effectively, because there's less air getting trapped in those wheels and wheel wells. And that offsets the downforce increase and that's how you end up there. Oh, here's the vertical, yeah.

• 1:32:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they, they make a, they make a really, really big point of the fact that they, the kits cannot reduce fuel efficiency at all. And, you know, they don't want to on the track, you know, because the, they, you know, because endurance racing. And they don't want to, they can't on the road because of these, these standards. So, so, you know, and people are in, you know, the comments of my posts, the comments of wherever, 50 grand for, dude, on a four kilometer circuit, which is like two and a half miles, which is like not a hugely long circuit, Buttonwillow, basically, right? To take a second off of

• 1:33:12Matt Farah?

  your lap time with a car that makes no more power and a car that is no less efficient and that does, and a package that doesn't void your warranty and will almost certainly contribute to the resale value of your car later, I would say at least 50% of that money you get back on resale. Like, that's actually very good.

• 1:33:36Speaker 01

  It's a lot of time, yeah. Cause you're already, you're already dealing with a car 3RS that's like, the alignments are as aggressive as they can be. And the engine, everything, everything is high strung honed and perfected for track stuff. So what is left is aero. You know, people are gonna say, well, you could put a blower on it. Like, yes, you can, but then you void this. Or, you know, how come they can't just go more aggressive with alignment or something like one, a full second when the cars are this high strung, if the driver is not a variable, is impressive.

• 1:34:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:06Speaker 01

  Like, aero, did you watch the Braun documentary on Hulu that?

• 1:34:12Matt Farah?

  Braun, like?

• 1:34:13Speaker 01

  Braun F1.

• 1:34:14Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The one that was?

• 1:34:16Speaker 01

  He did and hosted it.

• 1:34:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:17Speaker 01

  Their whole thing was the undertray. They made, there was a, there was a rule in F1 where your undertray splitter, your diffuser could only be X number of feet long. So they had a very long diffuser with a tiny separation and they said, well, this is two diffusers. And it went up to the, like the stewards and all this thing and it was a big point of consternation and they allowed it and that team won and they were underdogs because they were, they had a lot less money than everybody else, but they built this thing and they destroyed.

• 1:34:45Matt Farah?

  And then next year, everybody did it.

• 1:34:47Speaker 01

  Exactly. So aero, it matters.

• 1:34:49Matt Farah?

  It does. And, and also Porsche horsepower naturally aspirated, particularly Porsche horsepower, unlike our giveaway car, which is a turbo Porsche horsepower. But if you're starting with a four liter naturally aspirated Porsche engine, getting more power out of that in order to reduce your lap times is exorbitantly expensive. If, if you can do it at all, you know, and you can only kinda do it. You, you have to spend tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to have a custom made engine. There's not, there's nothing bolt

• 1:35:28Matt Farah?

  on. Demand, demand motors and shit or a Sharky motor is like your, your, your next upgrade from this.

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  Are there, are there no companies that sell like cams or headers or intakes or things like that?

• 1:35:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, look, there's exhausts, there's, but, but the, on a, on a naturally aspirated engine like this, there's only so much left on the table. You know, to go from, the GT3 RS makes 530 horsepower, 535, maybe you can get that up to 560, 575, but that might cost you 25 grand.

• 1:36:02Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 1:36:03Matt Farah?

  And that may or may not, that's not gonna return a second on a racetrack.

• 1:36:06Speaker 01

  And you're voiding your warranty.

• 1:36:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Well, not necessarily, but, but if you crack into the engine, you are, an exhaust won't. But if you, if you crack into the engine, you would. But, so a, a demand motor is 55,000 starting. If it's on a GT3, it's probably 80,000, you know, and that'll probably get you a second on a track, but.

• 1:36:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:36:28Matt Farah?

  You know, not that I, obviously I trust Rick Demand. I drive around his car every fucking weekend, but, you know, it's not a warranty.

• 1:36:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:36:35Matt Farah?

  And, you know, that's, that's a, that's a, pay the cost to be the boss. You know, you're talking about experimental engines at that point. Which I'm down with, but not everybody is. So I think the combination of the kits, at least on the regular GT3, which it's not just the aero, it's a full suspension also. It's, and it's, it's four way adjustables, but they're manually adjustable on the regular GT3. They're adaptive, semi-adaptive in the RS. So the buttons, they, they work with the drive modes. It, it really makes the car take, in the regular GT3 Manti, take curbs just beautifully. I mean, you can hit

• 1:37:20Matt Farah?

  curbs so much harder and with so much more confidence and with the car being so much less upset than you could before. You also get a pad, brake pad and brake line upgrade, stainless steel.

• 1:37:33Speaker 01

  I mean, also this crazy rear window cover with a camera and stuff.

• 1:37:36Matt Farah?

  So that's the, for the RS, for the, for the Manti RS, they take out the rear window and replace it with this carbon piece that is 25% lighter. You also, that you then have to have a rear view camera, which I don't like. I personally don't think that that is a worthwhile trade off, but they have to have the shark fin. And it's probably better to bolt the shark fin to this carbon piece than to try to fix it to the rear.

• 1:38:02Speaker 01

  You're also, this is a race car. I mean, this is a race car that has a tag on it. And if you are doing real endurance racing these days, you have a rear facing camera. I think it's required now by, like, WRL had it. They all, I think most of these organizations require rear facing camera that films and for your mirror. So it's, it's a fucking race car. So it's gonna feel like race car.

• 1:38:23Matt Farah?

  Well, it's like Andy Poyntinger told me when I told him that I was annoyed at the GT3 RS for not having a trunk. And he said that the RS customers will pay any amount of money and give up any customer, any comfort convenience if the car goes faster.

• 1:38:43Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:38:44Matt Farah?

  That just not, he's not, he's not presented as an opinion, a fact of building cars with RS on them for 20 years.

• 1:38:51Speaker 01

  Makes sense.

• 1:38:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So, so that's this. If you want the RS car to go faster, like this is how, now it's diminishing returns, right? The, at the track we were at, which is Ricardo Tormo in Spain, lovely track, four kilometers, lot of fun.

• 1:39:08Matt Farah?

  The Manti kit took a second off the GT3 lap time, but only six tenths of a second off the GT3 RS time. There's less left on the table, even though the RS kit costs double what the regular GT3 kit costs. The regular GT3 kit is 50 Gs. The RS kit is 100 Gs.

• 1:39:30Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:39:31Matt Farah?

  Which is crazy, crazy, crazy. Yeah.

• 1:39:37Speaker 01

  That's a lot of money, yeah.

• 1:39:37Matt Farah?

  It's so much money. It's so much money. Um, and actually, I didn't,

• 1:39:46Matt Farah?

  I didn't, I got 25 minutes in each of the four cars, which is a bunch. That's a bunch. I really would have needed a good bit more to really get comfortable with the GT3 RS MR. All three of the other cars I drove, the regular GT3 Ysoc, G3 Ysoc MR, and the GT3 RS Ysoc, within a lap or two, I'm not saying I'm Jörg Bergmeister, but within a lap or two, I was extremely comfortable with what the car was doing, where its limits were, um, at least generally, you know what I mean, generally? And where it was comfortable and before where it started to get uncomfortable.

• 1:40:28Matt Farah?

  The RS MR behaved way differently than the regular RS, but you're still on a Cup 2R tire. So you have this enormous amount of additional downforce in the high-speed bends, which requires bravery, but basically the same amount of grip in the hairpins. Very different from having like slicks, right? The amount of mechanical grip was the same, just the aero changed, so... And because of the different brakes, because of the different suspension settings, it turned in just a lot differently. In the regular RS, I had to play with the settings and fortunately,

• 1:41:10Matt Farah?

  fucking the G, Timo Bernhard was there to help out, uh, to make it rotate a little more under braking and then stay a little straighter when I wanted, because I wasn't trying to drift it, I was trying to actually run it clean. And then stay straight on the exit. I had to run opposite PTV settings in the MR as I did in the RS. Like the lockup and the opening, I had to run it opposite in the MR. It just, you'd turn in and it would just, it would just oversteer, like instantly.

• 1:41:41Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:41:41Matt Farah?

  And so I had to like do it the opposite way, like it was very weird and different.

• 1:41:46Speaker 01

  So you needed it to stay locked on D cell more and then unlock earlier?

• 1:41:50Matt Farah?

  Correct. And also, this thing makes over 1,000 kilos of downforce. In order to counter that, at 180 miles an hour, in order to counter that, it runs 30% stiffer front springs and 15% stiffer rear springs than a GT3 RS. Imagine how harsh that ride is. This thing is brutal.

• 1:42:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:17Matt Farah?

  I mean brutal. Now, the people that really are really great at driving, Timo, I was talking to Jethro about it, they fucking love this thing. And I think they've spent a lot of time in it. I think Jethro got a whole day, you know, had like a Nürburgring track day with it and he really knows the Nürburgring and he, you know. And I think he, oh no, he got a ride around the Nürburgring with Jörg Bergmeister.

• 1:42:43Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, he said it was terrifying.

• 1:42:44Matt Farah?

  And he said, and he was just saying it was, you know, the craziest thing he's ever done. And I got 20 minutes. And 20 minutes is enough for me to get used to most cars, but not this one. This one doesn't come to you. It doesn't meet you where you are. You gotta go to it. Um, and even Timo, um, legend, in all his talent, um, same tires, across the board, six tenths of a second, um, per lap. Um, I think it's worth, I think like five seconds at the Nürburgring, something like that. Or it's, or...

• 1:43:20Speaker 01

  Six tenths a lap is significant, like,

• 1:43:24Matt Farah?

  If you care about lap times.

• 1:43:25Speaker 01

  Any racer would pay the money. If you're at this level where your car is already this expensive, I mean, six tenths is a very long time. And after 10 laps, I mean, that grows really, really quick.

• 1:43:37Matt Farah?

  But if you're, if you care about six tenths that much, you should just buy a race car. Like the fact that this starts as a street car, it's, that's the reason that all of this shit is so expensive. If you've got a track membership or something and you've gone through GT3 RS and you really want to go faster, it's time to buy a race car.

• 1:44:03Speaker 01

  Good point.

• 1:44:03Matt Farah?

  Like, and at this point, if you're blacking out the fucking rear window and you've got a shark fin and all, like you might as well either move up to a cup car. Um, you know, I also got to drive the 911 Challenge, which has slicks on it and is faster than this.

• 1:44:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:21Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 1:44:22Speaker 01

  The only thing this does better than those cars is hold value. That's it. Like, because you could buy a used cup car for a percentage of what this costs MSRP and afford to have it serviced, stored, etc. for years while running it. And it would cost you way less money. But when you go to sell it, it's gonna probably be worth less money than when you began. And this, because of the world, like maybe go up in value because it's got all the bells and whistles on it.

• 1:44:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The fact that you can drive it on the street does preserve a lot of that value. Kind of crazy though. I mean, in my, like, I think, I think actually kind of the move, if you were a boss, the move would be to get a GT3 non-Ysoc and get a Manti package on it, stick. A stick GT3, a non-Ysoc, and get a Manti kit that comes with, Manti offers a set of very light forged aluminum wheels that look almost identical to the magnesium wheels that Porsche offers. They just sell them for less money. And so you get the Manti wheels,

• 1:45:31Matt Farah?

  Manti aero kit on a manual base GT3, and I think you have a very rare, collectible item that could, you know, you don't get PTS, you get fucking white, like cheap. The cheapest one you can find. And do the Manti shit, and I bet you end up with a very rare car, because not a lot of people are gonna do that. With a stick specifically. Could be a good investment, potentially. If you wanted to go that way. Yeah. Or you get a GT3 SC and put a Manti kit on it.

• 1:46:01Speaker 01

  That, no.

• 1:46:02Matt Farah?

  No. No, you don't do that. That's silly. That's very silly. No one should ever do that. But it was a very interesting experience. And I realized that on a track, a GT3 RS, a stock one, you know, I've done it before, but on this track, which is faster than Thermal where I did it last time, fucking amazing. I mean, so great. The most approachable, fast fucking car that there is. You know, at 535 horsepower, but with that naturally aspirated torqueless horsepower. You know, with that much chassis and that much brake and that much tire, holy shit. I mean, you can just huck this thing into a corner. You just don't, you just don't run out of grip.

• 1:46:46Matt Farah?

  You've got so much brake.

• 1:46:48Speaker 01

  It makes it very forgiving, so you can experiment a little bit, yeah. You can get things wrong without having a catastrophe.

• 1:46:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, uh, you know, all the settings and stuff, you know, it seems kind of stupid on the street, but if you have enough time on the track to get the car to move around a little bit, those settings do stuff, uh, that makes a big difference. And so, just a stock GT3 RS on a track, I guarantee you, almost, they weren't timing me. These lap times I'm quoting, they actually were timing me, but they wouldn't tell me what my times were. I think I probably got a fucking betting pool back there. Journalist lap times, for sure, for sure. Um, they gave us, you know, for science reasons, here's Timo's times in all of these cars. I don't think I'm a good enough driver

• 1:47:37Matt Farah?

  to go any faster in the MR than I can in the regular car. I could almost guarantee you I went faster in the GT3 MR than I did in the, because of the confidence in the curbs. The GT3 MR came right to me. Drive exactly the same, it'll just be a little better. A little better on the turn-in, a little better on the brakes, a little better on the curbs.

• 1:47:59Speaker 01

  You don't have to change your method.

• 1:48:01Matt Farah?

  Nothing, nothing.

• 1:48:02Speaker 01

  That's what you're saying?

• 1:48:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Came right to me. The other car, you gotta go to it and you need more time to figure out where the fuck it's at.

• 1:48:09Speaker 01

  Well, because with full downforce, like, that'll change the speed you can carry through a big sweeper hugely.

• 1:48:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Borrowed car.

• 1:48:18Speaker 01

  Exactly, yeah.

• 1:48:19Matt Farah?

  No thanks. No thanks.

• 1:48:20Speaker 01

  We should do the radical school at Spring Mountain maybe next year. Get our aero education.

• 1:48:25Matt Farah?

  I gotta try and sit in one again. The last time I tried to sit in one, it wasn't comfortable.

• 1:48:29Speaker 01

  Oh, they don't look comfortable at all.

• 1:48:31Matt Farah?

  I know. I don't, I don't need to drive race cars enough to be really uncomfortable while driving a race car. The 911 Challenge, which I don't want to talk too much about because I still have to write about it for Road and Track this week, which is, it's what a cup car used to be, right? A factory-built, caged, race car, but that is really based on the street car, the racing version of the street car, which a 911 cup car really isn't anymore. The 911 cup car is way, way different from a road car. It looks like one, but it ain't, it ain't

• 1:49:07Matt Farah?

  one anymore. It used to be 964, 993, 996. Those were essentially upfitted road cars at the factory, and Zach unfortunately missed out, but there'll be another chance to drive Marcos. I got to have another drive in, in the 996. I had to talk to Timo about that car.

• 1:49:26Speaker 01

  Oh, nice.

• 1:49:27Matt Farah?

  Which was cool.

• 1:49:28Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 1:49:29Matt Farah?

  You know, that, that car drives like a street car, just way fucking better. A 996 cup car does. And, and, and this 911 Challenge is just the new version of that. It drives just like a GT3, but with way more brakes and grip, which is just lovely. The dash is stock, HVAC is stock, it has, it has the full airbag. I don't think it has an airbag, but it has the stock steering wheel, it has the GT3 RS settings for the PTV, it's got the PDK gearbox with PTV plus. It's not, you know, a cup car is a, is a sequential with a clutch pedal. You have to use a clutch pedal to get going. This is just a PDK. You

• 1:50:14Matt Farah?

  could drive it and drive if you want, you know? So absolutely, you, me, anybody that could drive a Porsche at a reasonable pace would get in this thing and have the best time. Assuming you know what to do on a set of slicks, like, you know, two, three laps, get a bunch of heat in them, and then just enter every corner way faster than you think.

• 1:50:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:39Matt Farah?

  And it's just, it's so interesting, you know, to go to, from the MR to that. The 911 Challenge has way less downforce. It has a stock GT3 wing, not even an MR wing, but then it has slicks. So it has so much more mechanical grip everywhere, but, but no extra real aero grip. So you have a, you have kind of a consistent amount of where you can be a hero across the board, whereas you're limited in the hairpins with the MR to what the other street car can do versus the downforce. Kind of interesting stuff.

• 1:51:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. The MR would, the bravery varies more with the speed of the vehicle. So like, the larger turns, you can be braver and carry one more speed. Slower stuff, it's gonna be more similar, right? The delta won't be as big, but with the slicks, it's like every, you're stuck everywhere. Everything can be taken faster.

• 1:51:29Matt Farah?

  And, and oh, by the way, it's, I think the, I believe the Challenge car is four seconds a lap.

• 1:51:37Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 1:51:39Matt Farah?

  I don't want to quote the, I, I, I have it, I have it on my, my phone. I don't, I'm sorry, I don't have it handy. I wasn't prepared to quote this one right now. The, the Challenge car is a couple of seconds a lap, significant amount of time, somewhere between two and four seconds a lap, quicker than the GT3 RS MR. And it costs $275,000 total.

• 1:52:05Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:52:06Matt Farah?

  Not street legal.

• 1:52:09Speaker 01

  What's a 3MR MSRP?

• 1:52:10Matt Farah?

  Well, you, you start with a GT3 RS.

• 1:52:14Speaker 01

  Oh, so it's gonna be like four something?

• 1:52:16Matt Farah?

  And then you, and then you add $100,000. Yeah. So, um, a lot, I mean, a lot, you know, if you, and, and if you, if you want a fast, a fast Porsche, the, the Challenge is obviously the way to be. If you don't want to, you know, a cup car is a, is a lot.

• 1:52:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:52:36Matt Farah?

  That's an intimidating, you know, that's a real fucking race car now. So if you, if you want the friendliness of an everyday 911, but really, really something that's, that's lives at your track home, 911 Challenge is probably where it's at. But it was a great time driving all these cars. Really, really interesting. And I'd love if it came up another chance to do a full day at Willow or something.

• 1:53:01Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:53:02Matt Farah?

  With a Manti car and really get, get used to it and see if I could eventually find out where it's at.

• 1:53:07Speaker 01

  Turn one at Big Willow after they resurface it. That's, that'd be a good test.

• 1:53:12Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm. Should we go to the people?

• 1:53:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:53:15Matt Farah?

  Let's go to the people. And as you pull that up, one more reminder, we actually, I talked to them this morning, we have two spots left. If you're in New York, Hudson Quattro Cento, two spots remain. The HQ400 is gonna be October 27th to 30th. You don't need to have a supercar or anything, just some, some kind of enthusiast car. It is a luxury road trip. We have two track days. We have Lime Rock Park, which is fabulous, and we have the ultra-exclusive, not available to the public, Willzig Manor, which is a gentleman's private racetrack in his backyard. He's insane, the track's insane, and it's

• 1:53:57Matt Farah?

  not open to the public ever. So that's very fun. The hotels are fantastic. The food is gonna be really good. It's, I'm leading the drive. I've got the Dark Horse SC. We have two spots still available. Come drive with me if you like. And if you don't want to come to New York, we've got Palm Canyon Run, which is Palm Springs to Newport Beach via Joshua Tree and Temecula. We've got a track day at Chuck Walla. We've got the, the beautiful mountain driving south of Palm Springs. All three hotels are really, really cool. I'm scouting the route with Hannah in December, but I've, I'm already excited for it because

• 1:54:38Matt Farah?

  I know this drive and it is fabulous. And then in the spring, spring, early summer, May 17th to 20th, we've got New England, Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont. We've got a track day at New Hampshire Motor Speedway, Roval, should be very fun. And we have some really, really, really cool, charming New England hotels, as well as beautiful roads. I'm going to scout that next week. That's why I won't be here. In fact, I'm gonna have to do a call-in show from Kenny Bunkport, Maine? Isn't that what I said?

• 1:55:14Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 1:55:15Matt Farah?

  I think that's the day I'm doing it.

• 1:55:16Speaker 01

  What a name.

• 1:55:17Matt Farah?

  Kenny Bunkport, yeah. Say hi to the bushes and shit. That's where you get the lobster rolls. That's what's really, that's what Kenny Bunkport is about.

• 1:55:24Speaker 01

  You could buy a painting.

• 1:55:25Matt Farah?

  From George?

• 1:55:26Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:55:27Matt Farah?

  I don't want to hang a George W. I'm not fucking with a George W.

• 1:55:30Speaker 01

  Look, I did it.

• 1:55:31Matt Farah?

  Remember in like, do you remember in like 2010 when, when I was like, we were sitting around the couch at the old house when we lived together, and we were looking at, at Bob Ross paintings on eBay? And a real Bob, a Bob Ross was like $6,000, and we were like, we were like, fucking man, Bob Ross for six grand, like, it's a lot of money. We didn't have it. But now, do you know what a Bob Ross goes for now? Like?

• 1:55:56Speaker 01

  Well, before he died, right?

• 1:55:58Matt Farah?

  I think he just died.

• 1:55:59Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:56:00Matt Farah?

  I think he, I don't know, no, it might have been before he, it might have been right before he died. I don't, I forget what year he died. But it was like $6,000 to $8,000. And we were like?

• 1:56:10Speaker 01

  Oh, he died in 95. I was way wrong.

• 1:56:12Matt Farah?

  Okay, yeah, no, so, but it was, you know, LOL, like, that would be, that would be a crazy thing to have. And now, dude, Bob Ross is, a real Bob Ross is so much money.

• 1:56:23Speaker 01

  From 10 to 850 grand.

• 1:56:25Matt Farah?

  That's, that's what I'm saying, dude. Dude, a Bob Ross, a Bob Ross would have beat Bitcoin.

• 1:56:31Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:56:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:33Speaker 01

  That is crazy town.

• 1:56:36Matt Farah?

  That's, I was so, I was too far ahead of the, I should have bought the Bob Ross.

• 1:56:40Speaker 01

  But you could get on early on a bush. I'm still alive. I painted a baseball. Look, I painted a new constitution. There's no words on it.

• 1:56:49Matt Farah?

  Pretty good.

• 1:56:50Speaker 01

  You can fill it in as you like. My dad still don't call me. You can do that. All right, let's go to the questions.

• 1:56:57Matt Farah?

  Pretty good. Patreon.com slash The Smoking Tire Podcast. If you want to ask us questions for the show, watch the live stream when it's working. Get the show early, get extra show, and get acts, early access, exclusive, sometimes exclusive access to collabs and other things that we do with fun brands that we like to work with. And of course, get the satisfaction of helping your favorite car podcast pay their mortgages, which is important to us, believe it or not.

• 1:57:26Matt Farah?

  Let's see what these folks have to say. Les Carpool, pretty good.

• 1:57:31Speaker 01

  This is good one.

• 1:57:31Matt Farah?

  Pretty good. What's a car you were obsessed with as a kid that you hate today? Hate's a strong word.

• 1:57:38Speaker 01

  Hate is strong. When I was eight, I think, my friend's mom drove a, oh, God, it was a Chrysler convertible.

• 1:57:46Matt Farah?

  Crossfire?

• 1:57:47Speaker 01

  No, way before that.

• 1:57:48Matt Farah?

  Sebring. LeBaron.

• 1:57:50Speaker 01

  LeBaron. And I was like, this is cool, because it was like the first convertible I'd been. And now I know that that car's garbage.

• 1:57:55Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm. My high school girlfriend had the LeBaron, and we just found, shout out to Mike Zimmerman, who just found a trove of print, 35-millimeter prints from high school of, there were portraits of me with my Mustang, which, which he's mailed to me.

• 1:58:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:15Matt Farah?

  I want to wait and scan them properly to share them on the show. They're pretty funny.

• 1:58:19Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:58:20Matt Farah?

  But girlfriend's LeBaron is in the background of some of the photos.

• 1:58:24Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 1:58:24Matt Farah?

  So she was clearly present for this photo shoot somewhere.

• 1:58:29Matt Farah?

  DeLorean is the obvious one, you know, loved it as a kid, and, you know, now I know it's not such a great car. Jeep Wranglers, I loved as kids, and now, although I respect them for off-roading, I don't think they're great cars to drive around. Hummers.

• 1:58:46Speaker 01

  Hummer, for sure.

• 1:58:47Matt Farah?

  You know.

• 1:58:48Speaker 01

  41 Willys, I was like, when I was a kid, I thought they were cool. Now that I see them, I think the proportions are very strange. They're kind of cool, but they're weird, they're very bulbous.

• 1:58:55Matt Farah?

  Koji Koji, would you still be in love with your car if it was your least favorite factory-colored it was offered in? Would that make you sell it?

• 1:59:04Speaker 01

  That's why I didn't buy a color that I didn't like. If I, if I had bought a silver M3, I would have saved $4,000. Like, the blue was four to five grand more than this, the ocean of silver cars that were out there, but I didn't want that color.

• 1:59:17Matt Farah?

  As your clear coat flaked off in the Santa Monica Salt.

• 1:59:20Speaker 01

  It lasted, it did last five or six years.

• 1:59:23Matt Farah?

  It did.

• 1:59:24Speaker 01

  That was pretty good. But my least favorite E46 color is what I call baby shit, uh, baby shit squash soup.

• 1:59:30Matt Farah?

  Phoenix?

• 1:59:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Phoenix Yellow, I don't like it. And I know a lot of people do.

• 1:59:33Matt Farah?

  Not for everybody.

• 1:59:33Speaker 01

  And I, no, I would not have bought the car, so I wouldn't have to sell it, because I wouldn't buy it.

• 1:59:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, I don't love, white's not my favorite. I would, I mean, it's certainly not ugly. White is inoffensive on my Taycan, and I think the modifications I made suit white well, but like, I certainly would buy a car in a color I'm not crazy about, if it's the right, you know, used car and deal, but, like, I would never buy a car in a color I hate in the first place. Like, that's just crazy talk. Like, wow, why would you?

• 2:00:07Speaker 01

  You gotta look at it every day.

• 2:00:08Matt Farah?

  Every day, you gotta look at it. That's, that would be nuts, to buy a car you don't like, and every day you just go, ugh, driving this fucking thing. Yeah, no, I would, that would never even happen in my life.

• 2:00:21Speaker 01

  Like the, the free yellow, when Jack from Savage Geese came and visited us in Detroit, and he had a 911T, I think?

• 2:00:29Matt Farah?

  Oh, no, that's a GG3.

• 2:00:30Speaker 01

  GG3, and it was in like this dull.

• 2:00:32Matt Farah?

  Cartagena Yellow.

• 2:00:34Speaker 01

  Really, really don't like the color, and I would just not even buy that, I would not buy that car.

• 2:00:38Matt Farah?

  Porsche is really struggling to get rid of Cartagena Yellow. That's not a good color. When I was up at Laguna doing the Bentley thing, that, you know, Porsche, which now is the title sponsor, I think, of Laguna, has a school there now, and there were so many, so many Carrera Ts and GT3s in Cartagena Yellow up there. And when we were getting our new car for the giveaway.

• 2:01:04Speaker 01

  That's right, we, we said on the phone, it was, the Detroit trip was fresh.

• 2:01:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we said, we were, she goes, you know, there's, there's quite a few available in this Cartagena Yellow, and we're like, fuck, no. Absolutely not. She was like, but they're brand new, they're on the ground. I go, yeah. If a brand-new Porsche is, if there's multiple of them sitting on showroom floors, like, that's for a reason. Yeah, it's no good. No rolling on Sabas. How do we collectively tell Lyft and Uber that a Model Y isn't a comfort car? Man, when they stretch that, when they stretch the definition of what comfort is to a car that is very much not comfort.

• 2:01:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:46Matt Farah?

  They've stretched black as well. I've gotten some, like, five-seat SUVs that are now classified as black, like the electric, I guess this would be the Kia EV6. I've gotten a couple Kia EV6s that they were, that were Uber Blacks, and I was like, this shit needs to be full-size to be a black. Just saying. Just because it happens to be black doesn't fucking make it an Uber Black.

• 2:02:12Speaker 01

  Let's see, Uber's requirements for, to be an Uber Black car, uh, only specific vehicle makes and models qualify for Uber Black. The model year must be no older than five years ago. The vehicle must also have a black exterior and black leather or vegan leather interior. That's a pretty small list of requirements, isn't it?

• 2:02:29Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 2:02:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:31Matt Farah?

  Chicago White Sox. Regarding the SC.

• 2:02:36Speaker 01

  Chicago White Sox? That's awesome.

• 2:02:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Regarding the SC, oh, this would be the Dark Horse SC. How good of a, quote, Mustang is it? I know hardly anything of it. Wait, wait, hang on a minute.

• 2:02:51Speaker 01

  This is like two questions. Let's just answer the first one.

• 2:02:53Matt Farah?

  How good of a, quote, Mustang is it? What does that mean?

• 2:02:58Speaker 01

  Depends on how you define Mustang.

• 2:02:59Matt Farah?

  How do I define Mustang?

• 2:03:01Speaker 01

  I don't know, I mean, it's a supercharged, very fast performance car, so I think it, I think it is the almost epitome of Mustang in its current definition, because it, it should corner well, it drives reasonably well, fairly comfortable, and then it's got a giant blower and a ton of horsepower, so it makes the right noise and roast tires. So, I think that's a great Mustang.

• 2:03:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, at the expense of not having a backseat, which doesn't bother me at all, but, you know, that, some people use the backseat in their Mustangs. There's, there's no practical trade-off for a Dark Horse SC. I mean, it's less fuel-efficient, obviously, and it's more expensive, but the trunk is the same, the seats, the Recaro seats are the same seats and the same interior you get in every other Mustang. So I, I don't, I don't think it's a worse Mustang unless a Mustang has to have a functional backseat, you know? Martin Luther King Ranch.

• 2:04:00Matt Farah?

  How do you reconcile being a car, wait, how do you, wait. How do you reconcile being a car guy, loving speed and horsepower, with how easy it is for people to buy speed and horsepower? I believe in personal responsibility and freedom, but I struggle with the fact that Hellcats are so cheap, and you don't need training or special licensing to own and drive one. Is the answer more regulations? Is it, should it be harder to acquire such high-performance cars? I think the problem with that argument, and I mean the argument in general, I don't necessarily disagree with

• 2:04:40Matt Farah?

  the sentiment of what you're saying, that, that horsepower is available so comically cheap. I would argue that Tesla Model S's, you know, used are even more ridiculous than Hellcats, maybe. But, um, they've done this sort of throughout the history of the car. Every time there is a faster car, they, people go, you know, oh my God, I can't, how will anybody handle, you know, the new 37-horsepower Cadillac? How will anybody handle it? You know, the new, you know, the first time a car made 100 horsepower, went 100 miles an hour, how will anybody, you know? And, and, um,

• 2:05:25Matt Farah?

  yeah, I, I just don't, other than having better emissions regulations, which doesn't help with electric horsepower. I mean, there's never been a way to, to tell car manufacturers to, that they have to limit the horsepower. You had that gentleman's agreement in Japan.

• 2:05:46Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:05:46Matt Farah?

  But, but, but, and, and, you know, that's funny, I wonder, I've never actually considered, because the one thing that I think about when I think about the gentleman's agreement in Japan is that they were all lying, right? Like, they all said 276 horsepower, and the cars all made like 300 to 500 horsepower, right? But I've never actually considered if not being able to advertise that horsepower did have a cultural effect, you know, that sort of stopped the ever-spiraling horsepower war.

• 2:06:19Speaker 01

  Oh, probably did. Otherwise, they would have kept going for more and more, like, like AP said, the customer will pay more money if the car goes faster. I mean, that's true right now, like, the TRX has to have more power than the last TRX and everything else, and it's just like this silly arms race, even though most people don't ever, ever use all that horsepower.

• 2:06:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, is the fact that Japanese sports cars, not tuner cars, but I mean, the, the actual, from the factory cars, tend to have a little less horsepower than American cars? Is that a result of them being stalled on that thing? I don't know.

• 2:06:57Speaker 01

  No, I mean, they can, I mean, Toyota Racing Development, like, they have a bunch of NASCAR engine, like, they could build a lot of power if they want to. I think for them, it's packaging, it's probably emissions, taxes, displacement, global sales. Like, there's so many other factors now. Like, I don't think we have, we don't have a monopoly on power. We're just willing or able to build those things because of the regulations here.

• 2:07:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:18Speaker 01

  And the market here, well, you know, wants to buy a supercharged V8. But I think, we've talked about this before, like, you can sell all the horsepower in the world. I think there aren't, I don't think there are as many large accidents as we expected as cars have gotten, both EV and ICE, 7 to 1,000 horsepower. People are still afraid. People get in the car, you can hand someone a new car that has twice the power they had before, and I don't think they're gonna explore those limits because they don't have the bravery or the skill to do so.

• 2:07:47Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:07:48Speaker 01

  Kind of, it fixes itself.

• 2:07:50Matt Farah?

  It's more of a, it's more of a perception problem, I think, than the cars with all this horsepower are being crashed at a much higher rate than the cars that have lesser horsepower. And I'm not sure that that's true either.

• 2:08:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd have to look that up.

• 2:08:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But, you know, I understand that, yeah, all you need to do is write a lease payment for, you know, 800 bucks a month, and you've got, you know, some 1,000 horsepower car. It's just pretty crazy to think about.

• 2:08:15Speaker 01

  It's very nuts, yeah.

• 2:08:16Matt Farah?

  It's a crazy thing to think about, yeah. I'm more nervous about what happens when those parents just hand me down those cars to their kids.

• 2:08:23Speaker 01

  That's far more dangerous.

• 2:08:25Matt Farah?

  Who have less judgment than the adult that bought that car in the first place.

• 2:08:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:29Matt Farah?

  And I don't think a kid, a parent, would hand a Hellcat to their kid with the same sort of casualness that I've seen teenagers driving Model S's and Model X's around P100Ds and Plads around Malibu.

• 2:08:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree.

• 2:08:46Matt Farah?

  Quadrofolioface, "I drove a 2016 GT3RS a couple hundred miles this weekend. It was wonderful, of course. I know it's only changed incrementally, but is the current one really 100K better?" As a Vibe, no. As a Vibe, it is not 100K better. If you care about these lap times, like we were just spent 25 minutes talking about, then, yeah, it would cost you more than 100K to get your car to keep up with that car.

• 2:09:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:17Matt Farah?

  But no, that's a lovely car. And on Vibes, a 10-year-old GT3RS and a current GT3RS are gonna give you the same vibes, basically. And in some ways, better. I mean, the 20, the 20, that's a 991. That's gonna feel a little smaller, it's gonna have, it's not screened, it's gonna have real gauges. It's gonna be more like driving my car.

• 2:09:36Speaker 01

  Very true. But the new one with the new shock software might ride better than that one, so.

• 2:09:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Toyota AE8647.

• 2:09:47Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 2:09:48Matt Farah?

  I hope that's not a Trump reference, but okay. Are we getting modern automobile purchasing economics wrong?

• 2:09:55Speaker 01

  I think that's what that is.

• 2:09:56Matt Farah?

  You think so?

• 2:09:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, no, 8647.

• 2:09:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:09:59Matt Farah?

  No, that, we do hope that's a Trump reference. 86, it means get rid of it.

• 2:10:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, okay. I didn't put it together, but now I get it.

• 2:10:06Speaker 01

  It's like you're cut off at the bar, you're 86th.

• 2:10:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I said I hope it wasn't a Trump reference, but now that I understand that it's a fucking Trump reference, now it's okay. We're on the same page. "Are we getting modern automobile purchasing economics wrong?" Uh, car, wait. "Yes, cars are more expensive today than they were 30 years ago, but they also last twice as long." Instead of, uh, okay. "Instead of lamenting that people can't afford new cars, maybe we should recognize there's plenty of cool cars still out there. They're just on the used market instead of new dealer lots." Ah, I don't love that argument.

• 2:10:47Speaker 01

  I understand the sentiment, but I think, like, when we do a magazine test or something, we try not to compare the new cars to the old cars, because it's not really fair. So I think this, this theory, that theory applies here, too. Like, you know, prices are outpacing wages, we should comment on that. The cars, the new cars are too expensive when they weren't too expensive 20 years ago, 30 years ago. Like, people could buy the new cars. So I don't think it's fair to just go, "Well, look at all the used things that are available." That's true, there are cool used cars. Those prices are also going up a lot since COVID and everything that came with that. So I think either way, we're kind of screwed. But it's just, I think it's just unfair to, like, move this goalpost.

• 2:11:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:25Speaker 01

  And not complain about the new car pricing.

• 2:11:27Matt Farah?

  I, I, I agree. I mean, if, I doubt anybody who's looking at cars doesn't understand the concept of a used car, you know, and is like, "Oh, my God, these used cars really are less money than new cars." Like, I don't think that's surprising anybody. And, and, yes, cars do last longer than they used to, but that doesn't mean somebody feels good about purchasing a 100,000-mile car rather than a new car because they can't afford the new car. They're not the same thing.

• 2:12:02Speaker 01

  And a car that has over 100,000 miles, it may be cheap to own, it may be very expensive to own. It could go either way.

• 2:12:09Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm. Shan Wowe recently had an experience in a Lyft where the driver was using Tesla's autopilot to drive through an urban city, that's FSD, not autopilot, while watching a TV show on a second phone. Have either of you had an incident like this?

• 2:12:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:12:30Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, man, that's bad. That's like, I, I, I don't, I, I'm not a, I'm not a call-the-manager type. I'm not a, I'm not a narc in that level. If you're the kind of person that's uncomfortable speaking up to a person about this while you're in their car, I understand.

• 2:12:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:53Matt Farah?

  You don't wanna be confrontational with somebody in their own car.

• 2:12:55Speaker 01

  But I'd be happy to hit the button on the report thing and be like, "This dude is watching TV."

• 2:13:00Matt Farah?

  That's, that's crazy.

• 2:13:01Speaker 01

  You know, not driving the car.

• 2:13:02Matt Farah?

  That's crazy. I have told someone to please not use FSD while driving me. And they stopped. They went, "Okay," and didn't. And they didn't bring it up again. And so, but not everybody is comfortable doing that. So I would, I'd report that driver, honestly. I, I hate to, I hate to fuck with somebody's employment like that, with somebody's income like that. But if that's how you're treating that job.

• 2:13:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:31Matt Farah?

  The, the safety of your passengers is not important to you, and go fuck yourself.

• 2:13:37Speaker 01

  Your job is to drive the car.

• 2:13:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, dude, that's.

• 2:13:40Speaker 01

  You're not driving the car.

• 2:13:41Matt Farah?

  That's your job.

• 2:13:41Speaker 01

  That's kinda it, you know?

• 2:13:43Matt Farah?

  Ted Theo Logan, "Do you remember when cars had rear window wipers? Did those go away for aero reasons or aesthetics?" So, like, sedans, not a lot of sedans had rear window wipers. Like, very, very few. A couple high-end European Saabs, a lot of Saabs, Slantbacks.

• 2:14:03Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:14:03Matt Farah?

  Now, now it's, you know, a lot of crossovers. And SUVs have rear window wipers. And if you're a baller, you get it on the Porsche, you get it on the 911. Our Turbo S giveaway car from earlier this year had a rear wiper, which was pretty dope. And we used it when we got caught in a rainstorm, and it was the jankiest shit. It did such a, it did a terrible job. Oh, it did a terrible, it was, it was so stupid. Honestly, it was so dumb that people.

• 2:14:27Speaker 01

  It seems like it's helpful for snow, if you drive your 911 in the snow.

• 2:14:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, okay.

• 2:14:31Speaker 01

  But I think that's why most people today, it's on crossovers or wagons. It's on things that mostly have a fairly vertical window.

• 2:14:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:14:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:40Matt Farah?

  I don't recall the last sedan that anyone in my family had that had a rear wiper.

• 2:14:46Speaker 01

  I would also wager that on a sedan, the, the air is gonna move along that window better than on a more vertical rear window. So it's gonna push the water off of the rear, the rear windshield.

• 2:14:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Stewdog says, "Notice partnered with Teddy Baldassar, and Teddy's now a licensed notice dealer." That's pretty cool. Good for them. I like Teddy. He's been, he's been a, a nice friend. He's, he's got a good channel and a good brick-and-mortar business. Got me my Speedmaster. Shout out to Teddy. "Can we get any hints on what kind of dial options we will get for the Canyon 2 and the Canyon Deep?" The Canyon 2, we are working with really fun stone dials right now, which the first two, I've, I've seen renderings, I've not seen any dials in person.

• 2:15:40Matt Farah?

  But I really like where we're at for the first release. And I, I like mostly where we're at for the second release. The Canyon Deep.

• 2:15:52Matt Farah?

  Are not going to be precious dials, but we have a very cool light effect that we're playing with. And the dials, it's a dive watch and the dials will be in my plan is to have the dials themed after different oceans around the world, different, different waters. So that's kind of what, what I like. Vivian Ferris bespoke napkin curator. Boy, do you know my mother. What do you factor into your cost per mile assessment?

• 2:16:29Matt Farah?

  Example, I had an M2 competition for five years and paid 38 cents a mile. If you don't factor in taxes, tires, insurance and fuel. I look at it like I basically leased it for less than $300 a month and I can't think of anything more fun for that value. Am I doing the math wrong? I mean, so, uh, look, this kind of math is, there isn't a necessarily a right way. Like it's, this is for you math, right? This is how you value owning one car versus another car. So it's like a dino. What matters more is your math is consistent from one car to the next.

• 2:17:12Matt Farah?

  It's, it's so if you ask me how I do it, my cost is the, is buy, sell, taxes and insurance. And, and excuse me, and maintenance. It does include maintenance. It does not include fuel.

• 2:17:29Matt Farah?

  And it does not include, let's call it storage. Because I don't have to, you know, fuel is like, fuel, fuel moves me around regardless of what I'm driving.

• 2:17:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:17:40Matt Farah?

  You know, most of the time, so I don't, I don't really factor in fuel into the cost of ownership of a vehicle. Fuel is the cost of getting me around regardless of what I'm in. So yeah, but everything else, so I would, if you take fuel out of your math, I would include the rest of that.

• 2:17:59Matt Farah?

  And yeah, I mean, look, 38 cents a mile, even including fuel is fabulous. You've done very well on that car in terms of what it costs you to have a good time. Right?

• 2:18:11Speaker 01

  But they don't include tires or insurance.

• 2:18:14Matt Farah?

  You don't factor it.

• 2:18:15Speaker 01

  So they're not, yeah, that's why I associate.

• 2:18:17Matt Farah?

  It would be, it would definitely be more. If you put a lot of miles on it, maybe it wouldn't be that much more.

• 2:18:22Speaker 01

  I think insurance is worth factoring because depending, especially depending on your age, but like two door versus four door, depending on like that could influence the, the price of the car a bit.

• 2:18:31Matt Farah?

  It could, but insurance, the, the, the dollar per mile of, you know, insurance isn't mileage dependent typically. So your insurance is, you know, 1,200 a year, you know, but if you drive a thousand miles versus you drive 20,000 miles, your, your cost per mile is, could be affected a lot or not enough. So the more you drive, the better that is. Good. Yeah. Deactivate cylinder firing in the West Bank. If you could only drive cars with alphanumeric names like M3, 911 or S63 and give up cars with cool names. What would your ideal three car garage be? Fun one. 911 ST. Okay.

• 2:19:15Matt Farah?

  Ferrari.

• 2:19:19Matt Farah?

  F40.

• 2:19:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, sure.

• 2:19:23Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 2:19:23Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:19:24Matt Farah?

  And, um,

• 2:19:30Matt Farah?

  and, um,

• 2:19:34Matt Farah?

  a, oh, this is tough. Wait. And a

• 2:19:43Matt Farah?

  only alphanumeric, uh, and an RS Q8, Audi RS Q8. The, for the daily.

• 2:19:51Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:19:51Matt Farah?

  Daily, weekend, and then super special occasions.

• 2:19:54Speaker 01

  Okay. I'm going to go different, just to be different. I'll go,

• 2:20:01Speaker 01

  I'll go Ferrari 550. And then I'll go 240 SX for just super fun playtime. And then,

• 2:20:16Speaker 01

  can I do Defender 110?

• 2:20:20Speaker 01

  Cause it's Land Rover, it's Defender.

• 2:20:22Matt Farah?

  If it's, it's not a Defender, if it's pre like 90s.

• 2:20:25Speaker 01

  I'm definitely not doing that.

• 2:20:26Matt Farah?

  If you did like a 1985, it would just be a Land Rover.

• 2:20:29Speaker 01

  You know, I'm not driving that fucking thing. I'd rather do it F250. That's been a nice 70s Land Rover.

• 2:20:37Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 2:20:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:39Matt Farah?

  Okay. That's a good one. I like that.

• 2:20:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:41Matt Farah?

  All Kents touch this nasty steering wheel. For a long time, changes in the auto industry were incremental, uh, like new body colored bumpers or whatever. Recently, a number of auto companies have decided to make radical pivots, which don't seem to be working out great. Porsche and Da and Stellantis to EVs, Jaguar to whatever Jaguar is doing. I don't think it's necessarily not working out great. They have not, not time yet, not enough time yet. Is the tech road, tech road disruptor thinking leaking over into car companies? Well, sure. Cars are increasingly computers. I mean, uh, uh, cars,

• 2:21:23Matt Farah?

  a car, cars have streaming video in them, cars have 4G, 5G connections, far, you know, cars have virtual assistants and shit in them now.

• 2:21:33Speaker 01

  That's true, but I don't think the, the disruption, I don't think there's as much disruption happening outside of like Waymo or, you know, like building a van and it doesn't have a driver.

• 2:21:44Matt Farah?

  Well, there's a couple of new American car companies and there haven't been a new American car company in like a hundred years. I mean, before Tesla and now you also have Rivian and you have Lucid and you have Scout. And they may not all work out. But like there are first new American car companies and all of those companies are building different types of cars than we've really had before. I mean, Tesla was the first mainstream EV at all. Rivian was the first EV pickup truck. Lucid, you know, is doing some weird shit, you know, they weren't.

• 2:22:17Speaker 01

  Lucid was kind of doing what Tesla's doing.

• 2:22:19Matt Farah?

  Evolutionary to Tesla.

• 2:22:20Speaker 01

  But that's true. Rivian is disrupting by going EV pickup. That's true. Cause otherwise we wouldn't have the new, the Lightning or the EV Silverado without them. Yeah.

• 2:22:29Matt Farah?

  I mean, and Porsche,

• 2:22:32Matt Farah?

  you know, Porsche's pivot, I really think is, is in response to a obsession with efficiency that they've had their entire history.

• 2:22:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't think, I think Porsche moves more slowly than people think. And I bet if you went back and looked at the first stories and announcements of when they were going to go like EV 718, it was way longer ago. They don't do things really quickly and impulsively, but they probably saw California having mandates about emissions, EU having mandates about emissions. And they went, all right, where in our catalog can we change to an EV powertrain to offset this stuff? And they probably made that decision 10 years ago.

• 2:23:09Matt Farah?

  Is it 12 o'clock right now?

• 2:23:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, we've been going a while.

• 2:23:11Matt Farah?

  Oh shit, I have to take a call right now.

• 2:23:13Speaker 01

  Oh, alright.

• 2:23:14Matt Farah?

  I'm sorry. I need to end the show right here. Patrons, I love you. Thanks for sticking around. I did not look at the clock, but I have to. And we'll see you next time. Bye.