‘Two for the Money’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Cousin Sal

Uh-oh, The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Cousin Sal are gambling again! The guys fire up their favorite Monday night parlay after revisiting the 2005 sports thriller ‘Two for the Money,’ starring Matthew McConaughey, Al Pacino, and Rene Russo. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, and Eduardo Ocampo Through the Subaru Share the Love® Event, Subaru and our retailers donate to charity for every new vehicle purchased or leased. Learn more about the charities Subaru and our retailers support at https://Subaru.com/share. A State Farm agent can help you choose the coverage you need. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.® Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Bill Simmons?

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• 0:52Bill Simmons?

  The Rewatchables, brought to by The Ringer Podcast Network. You can find The Watch with CR, Chris Ryan.

• 0:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 0:57Bill Simmons?

  How are you?

• 0:58Chris Ryan?

  I'm doing great, man. Good to see you.

• 1:00Bill Simmons?

  Taping this right after a tough Eagles loss.

• 1:02Chris Ryan?

  Sorry, what?

• 1:03Bill Simmons?

  21-0, you lost to the Dallas Cowboys.

• 1:05Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06Bill Simmons?

  Doesn't sound, we arranged this way ahead of time, not realizing there'd be a controversial Cowboys-Eagles game.

• 1:10Speaker 02

  We knew.

• 1:11Chris Ryan?

  Back in the shame tunnel.

• 1:12Speaker 02

  Deep down, we knew. And you were texting me, "Go F yourself, your team sucks." I was like, "Whoa, whoa, hold on, let's see how this turns out."

• 1:19Chris Ryan?

  Yes, that's exactly what happened.

• 1:21Bill Simmons?

  Sal, we're together on Sunday nights during football season. You're on The Ringer Game Week Show as well. We've known each other for a long time. You've only been on a couple Rewatchables.

• 1:28Speaker 02

  I'm intimidated by this, I told you.

• 1:29Bill Simmons?

  I don't like to play the Sal card too often.

• 1:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32Bill Simmons?

  Has to be, the last time you were on was Back to the Future 2.

• 1:35Chris Ryan?

  Right, yeah.

• 1:35Bill Simmons?

  We talked about Biff's Sports Almanac. CR, you've been circling Two for the Money. I don't remember the first time you texted me about it, but it's been a while.

• 1:43Chris Ryan?

  And we also just, "I'm gambling again" has been a battle cry of this podcast for a long time.

• 1:48Bill Simmons?

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• 2:44Bill Simmons?

  Two for the Money came out 20 years ago on Columbus Day. What a terrible idea. Why would they release this movie on Columbus Day weekend? Trying to think, is there a worse sports weekend other than like first weekend of March Madness?

• 2:57Speaker 02

  Italian, boiler room, mafia, you know, backdoor dealings, gambling. That could kind of work. Columbus Day.

• 3:03Chris Ryan?

  Wait a second, you're just gonna do the like, the lead from your page two column from 20 years.

• 3:08Bill Simmons?

  No, I was just like, well, I was rereading it. I first of all, forgot I wrote about the movie. I've hit the point in my life where I was reading it like somebody else wrote it.

• 3:16Speaker 02

  That was great. By the way, you were, you were a great writer.

• 3:19Bill Simmons?

  Oh, thanks. Thanks, guys.

• 3:21Speaker 02

  You didn't know him back then.

• 3:22Chris Ryan?

  I didn't.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  You gotta trust me. He was really, really good. No, I read it. I reread it. It's readable.

• 3:28Bill Simmons?

  I read it. I'm gonna plagiarize pieces of it for this podcast. I was thinking about the post-Randers era though. So, Randers comes out, late 90s. And then eventually at some point, everyone starts taking cracks at these different sports movies, TV shows. We have Tilt, The Friends Compliment and Levine. That's on ESPN. Playmakers, Two for the Money, Fever Pitch, Friday Night Lights. There's a million Disney movies, like The Rookie, Miracle. All those Toll and Robin movies that were out, like Varsity Blues, Summer Catch. It was like the sports content frenzy. Everyone was trying to crack the code. Sal, sports gambling, which by this time you and I had known each other for a couple of years.

• 4:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 4:08Bill Simmons?

  There's a sports gambling movie coming out with McConaughey and Pacino. We're excited.

• 4:12Speaker 02

  Pretty great. And yeah, you talked about all those other movies and just, yeah, it requires to feel full teams and full stadiums and everything else. And this was basically shot in one office for like 75% of the movie.

• 4:24Bill Simmons?

  With the old USFL highlights. Who knew the USFL was gonna be the most important thing that ever happened to content?

• 4:31Speaker 02

  It really was the best, the only good thing about it. Yeah, I can't, I can't watch too much of it, though. It's so disingenuous.

• 4:38Bill Simmons?

  The sports gambling?

• 4:39Speaker 02

  No, no, just the, the nondescript jerseys and everything, right?

• 4:42Chris Ryan?

  It's tough when you don't get the rights and you're just watching Tampa versus Oakland in the big game.

• 4:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Well, they did, they, they couldn't get the rights, nobody can get the rights to the Super Bowl. So the Super Bowl with four X's?

• 4:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, Super 40, they call it.

• 4:57Bill Simmons?

  Super, Super XXXX. They tried to do that. Um, so Friday Night Lights worked the best out of all these. Did any of these other ones work?

• 5:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, it's interesting that you're categorizing it as post-rounders because I think that this movie has a lot of that in its DNA. And then I think it has a fair amount of Jerry Maguire in terms of this kind of side story within the world of sports that you don't know that much about. So obviously Maguire is about the words, world of being a sports agent. And this is about the world of gambling, but specifically, and it's both what's aged the best and the worst, and we're probably gonna get into this, but a very specific kind of sports gambling culture, which isn't betting, it's touting.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 5:38Bill Simmons?

  We, we gotta do this now. We gotta, I think it's an age the best and an age the worst.

• 5:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 5:44Bill Simmons?

  Cause this is what we grew up with in the 90s with these shows. And I wrote in that Page Two column, I wrote about when I lived with my, my buddy Jeff, best man of my wedding, we would watch the sports advisors every week. And it was Stu Finer, Jack Price.

• 6:01Bill Simmons?

  It was like, we didn't have unintention-

• 6:03Speaker 02

  Wayne Allen Root, Jim Feist, right? Larry Coker.

• 6:06Bill Simmons?

  We didn't have the internet to embrace the unintentional comedy. So as far as Jeff and I knew, we were the only two people on the planet who thought this was funny.

• 6:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 6:14Bill Simmons?

  And they would go, they would cut to, was, Price would be like, I'm here in Vegas. And, but he was clearly in a green screen. Stu Feiner was a maniac. And these guys would all be like, call my 900 right now. And I got, I got the lock of the year and it really was like this. So this movie, the best part of this movie is it captures exactly what that was like. I wish it had done more.

• 6:36Chris Ryan?

  There are two things I remember, like, they happened yesterday in my life. About watching football and being a football fan when I was a little kid. One is, on Sundays, my mom would be like, you can watch football for as long as you want, but you gotta do errands with me in the morning. So we would go out, usually to New Jersey from Philadelphia to do food shopping and whatever else. And I would be like, on a couple of them, I'd have to go help her, but sometimes I could sit in the car and just listen to the radio. All morning on IP, I remember it being a sports advisor going through the games, going through his picks. And all of it was on turf after Black Friday. After like, a Republican president has been elected. He's 0-5. Smash the over, you know? And it's just like, these guys with these complete mythological advice.

• 7:20Chris Ryan?

  That and the whole phenomenon of you'd be listening to the radio and the guys at different stadiums who would call in with updates. Like, it's Bobby McNamara here in Dallas, 3-0.

• 7:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, right, right.

• 7:32Chris Ryan?

  And that would be his reporter. And that, those would be like, that was like how I followed football all day Sunday, other than watching the Eagles.

• 7:39Speaker 02

  Did you, I got stuck, if I could tell a 45 second story.

• 7:43Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  I was on one of these sucker lists, right? So you'd listen to these guys, call my 900 number and we loved it. It was pro line. And it was me and my friend Harry. And somehow, they got our phone numbers. We must've filled out something, right? And so then they would call us at the dorm, right? Just as we were, and I'd be like, I'd try to blow them off. I'd be like- And, and everybody had like a, like a, a name that like, had money at the end. Like, it's, it's Johnny Cash, or, uh, you know, Stu Gold, or, you know, anything like that. So it was like, hey- Too gold calling, uh, wait, what, what, uh, wait, I'm like, hey, I'm heading to the dining hallway. Really? Do they serve lobster? Cause you could eat lobster seven days a week if you get my big 12 game of the year. So we avoided for as long as they, they, they, we could, but what they do is, and you pointed this out in the page two article, what normally

• 8:28Speaker 02

  they do is they'll take a list of suckers, a hundred people, right? And they'll tell 50 of them, take the Chiefs and they'll tell 50 of them, take the Cowboys, right? So now they've given 50 people one winner and then they, they splinter that they tell 25 people, take the Colts, tell 25 people, take the Texans. So now they've given 25 people two winners, goes on and on. So if you've given somebody three winners, right? You're going to listen.

• 8:51Bill Simmons?

  So you're one of 12 people left on the list. They're giving you the winner three weeks in a row. And you're like, these guys are amazing.

• 8:57Speaker 02

  Know something, right? So they, they get my friend, Harry, they're like, send me $400 and I'll give you my ACC game of the year. It's, uh, between Florida State and, uh, and Duke. And Harry gives the 400, but that's not a bet. So you just give them the money and then you have to.

• 9:13Bill Simmons?

  For the tip.

• 9:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 9:14Chris Ryan?

  For the, for the, it's the price of the tip.

• 9:15Speaker 02

  Exactly. And then you have to make the bet, which has to be more than $400, obviously for this to work. He gives out Duke plus 17 and Florida State wins 59 to 20. And Harry's pissed and he calls this guy back and he says, this is crazy. Your ACC game of the year. Who do you think you are? Duke, uh, you, you give your ACC pick of the year, gave up 59 points. What kind of idiot gives up, uh, uh, uh, ACC lock and makes it Duke? And he's like, I got a better question for you, Harry. What kind of idiot gives $400 to a total stranger? Click, hung up. And that's it.

• 9:50Bill Simmons?

  Wow.

• 9:51Speaker 02

  That's, that's basically the story. That's, that's the boiler room mentality.

• 9:55Chris Ryan?

  Because this existed in a kind of gray area of legality, right? Like in the way that they would get their money and the way that they would, cause there isn't actually like a contract where it's like, you have to do this or like, you should pay me a commission if you win. It's all like on the arm. It's all like.

• 10:11Bill Simmons?

  Advice. It's, it was no different. This is all through the 90s. This is right around the tail end because the internet's really starting to come in, but this was where you would talk to an astrologer.

• 10:21Speaker 03

  Right, right, right.

• 10:22Bill Simmons?

  You would do all kinds of 1-900 stuff. There would be like sex lines. You'd talk to some girl. You'd keep paying. Reality bites had this.

• 10:29Speaker 03

  Even the stock market was kind of like that. You had people cold calling and screaming at you and stuff.

• 10:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, what's interesting, this movie is probably like six, seven years too late.

• 10:36Chris Ryan?

  That's the thing. It's more like Glenn Gary Glenn Ross. You know what I mean?

• 10:40Bill Simmons?

  The 90s was when Jeff and I, we would watch that show and I can't remember which one we thought might actually be good, but you know, at some point we're like, should we call? Like this guy seems like he's on it.

• 10:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 10:52Bill Simmons?

  We don't realize it's this massive scam. Now all this stuff's getting regulated. What was the year you forwarded? One of you forwarded the Sports Illustrated piece?

• 10:59Chris Ryan?

  I did. It was a Rick Riley piece about.

• 11:01Bill Simmons?

  What year was that? That was the early 90s?

• 11:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 11:04Bill Simmons?

  Because that was the first time I was like, wait, these guys are fraud. Like, I thought they were these characters, but I didn't know, we didn't know right from wrong. I was like, oh, that guy's must be awesome at gambling. He's getting 78%.

• 11:16Speaker 03

  Right.

• 11:17Bill Simmons?

  He's nailing them. Do you think we should do this now for a Ringer gambling show?

• 11:21Speaker 03

  What's that? Just do like they do?

• 11:23Bill Simmons?

  No, just have like, maybe it's the Bundo.

• 11:26Speaker 03

  Right.

• 11:27Bill Simmons?

  We just completely, sports advisors too for the money him. Call him Tony D.

• 11:34Bill Simmons?

  I'm here in Philly, guys, and everybody's talking.

• 11:37Speaker 03

  Tony Dollars.

• 11:38Bill Simmons?

  Tony Dollars. Everyone is talking about the Texans defense.

• 11:41Speaker 03

  We've been selling our Ringer 107 picks and people are pissed.

• 11:46Bill Simmons?

  Craig, did you, so this is ahead of your time, this whole world.

• 11:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:49Bill Simmons?

  The 1-900 world. Do you believe that this is what we did in the 90s is call random strangers for gambling advice?

• 11:55Speaker 03

  Of course. I mean, it's also, I mean, it's still going on today a little bit, right? I mean, like you gotta pay for Warren Sharp's website. You pay like however hundreds of dollars it is a year.

• 12:02Chris Ryan?

  These guys are the original Substack.

• 12:03Speaker 03

  And you get your picks. Yeah, it's still going on today.

• 12:06Bill Simmons?

  Did the sports advisors create Substack? Interesting. Well, five reasons why I would defend this movie. It's a movie about sports gambling, something that we've really enjoyed for the last thirty-five years for me. It's a mentor, fast riser movie CR. Shades of Wall Street. Shades of Devil's Advocate. What are some other ones like this where it's like? And it's always two really good parts.

• 12:30Chris Ryan?

  Training Day. I mean, like you.

• 12:31Bill Simmons?

  Training Day, good one.

• 12:33Chris Ryan?

  Anytime you bring like a little lamb and he has to hang out with a wolf all day. You know, and then it's like the teacher becomes, the master becomes the student or vice versa.

• 12:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 12:42Speaker 02

  Oh, I, yeah, I'm sorry. I was getting a lot of Donnie Brasco in there because it was right there with Pacino, right?

• 12:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 12:47Chris Ryan?

  It's also, I was very struck this time by, this is a weird comparison. It reminds me a little bit of Midnight Cowboy because it is a outsider coming into New York City who gets taken under his wing by like a real New York character.

• 13:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 13:04Chris Ryan?

  Who's really embedded in the city and he shows him the ways of the city and he basically turns him into a projection of what he wants him to be.

• 13:14Bill Simmons?

  So I have those two. I have McConaughey as a, just a great movie hang for movies like this. I'm gonna talk about him in a second. The Sports Advisors, it just brought me back. We used to, Jeff will still text me this new finer. If it seems like it wins every week, if I win every week, it's because I do. Like we used to just love that guy.

• 13:40Bill Simmons?

  And then Pacino, the, the actual like, the TV show and the info, like, it's kind of dead on.

• 13:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:48Bill Simmons?

  They did a great job with the actual show that Walter, whatever hosts and he's like, here he is.

• 13:53Chris Ryan?

  Walter Abrams.

• 13:54Bill Simmons?

  What was the psych system?

• 13:55Chris Ryan?

  The psych system.

• 13:55Bill Simmons?

  Go to him, let's go to this guy and these guys would just come in hot.

• 13:59Chris Ryan?

  They've got the like kind of mafioso guy who's just like, I'll clip your nuts if you don't do this. Yeah.

• 14:04Bill Simmons?

  See, Sal doesn't want to admit something. Young Sal in college.

• 14:07Chris Ryan?

  Go ahead.

• 14:07Bill Simmons?

  He's like, someday I'm gonna be on one of these shows. I know you did. I know, I know you and Harry talked about it.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  Why not? They were our celebrities, right?

• 14:14Bill Simmons?

  What was your gimmick gonna be?

• 14:15Speaker 02

  Uh, I probably would have come out with a kilt. Yeah, I don't know what I would have done.

• 14:19Bill Simmons?

  Roddy Roddy Sal?

• 14:21Speaker 02

  When you brought it up, like, it's like, we learn, oh, I hope I don't screw this up for anyone. We learn there's no Santa Claus like around six or seven, right?

• 14:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  We learn, we learn wrestling's not real, around 11, 12. Yeah, before that.

• 14:33Bill Simmons?

  Forty-five, yeah.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  Forty-five, and then like, it seems like every five years, and then five years after that, we learn these guys don't know shit because you can't unless, like, they don't even pretend to have inside information. That would have made the movie so much better if anybody had any sort of like lean on anything.

• 14:51Chris Ryan?

  Hey, it's, Brandon uses the force. He's like, I know ball, and I just know that these guys are gonna lose.

• 14:59Speaker 02

  I know, why doesn't he read any stats on air? Why isn't he like, look, the defensive line's not gonna hold up?

• 15:04Chris Ryan?

  I don't wanna get too far into it, but the antagonistic relationship towards analytics in this movie is one of my favorite things about it.

• 15:11Bill Simmons?

  This is when I always joke about the sports movie consulting thing, I would have had a lot of notes.

• 15:15Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 15:16Bill Simmons?

  It's like, so Brandon's like, just, does he have ESP? What am I supposed to think of him as a character? Doesn't seem like he really watches football.

• 15:24Speaker 02

  No.

• 15:24Bill Simmons?

  He just knows the teams, the matchups.

• 15:27Speaker 02

  Cause he played, and we know if you played, Pete Rose should have been great at picking games, was terrible.

• 15:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 15:33Speaker 02

  But no, this guy who busts his knee out in a fictitious bowl game, he knows, and better than that, Pacino falls for it. Pacino's been doing this for 30 years, but you got the goods, kid.

• 15:44Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, he was going like nine and two every week, or whatever, like on his arm.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, right, yes.

• 15:49Bill Simmons?

  My favorite, when he's showing how much football he knows, when he's telling the guy behind the counter in Vegas, and he's like, he's like, Gruden coached these guys, he knows Tim Brown loves the ball over his left shoulder, so he's gonna put a corner on him and force him. I'm like, what? Tim Brown only likes catching the ball one way? What receiver, what receiver in NFL history is like, you gotta throw, I gotta catch it like this?

• 16:12Speaker 02

  No, no, no, he promised you through to my other shoulder.

• 16:14Bill Simmons?

  I can't catch it like this, it's gotta be, I gotta be turned this way.

• 16:18Speaker 02

  The other, I mean, and the, and the, really, I don't wanna put a complete pin in this, but if anybody actually had inside information, if anybody- Actually had a gift, they wouldn't tell a soul. You would bet the games yourself. You don't want any stranger knowing this for $25, $50. The money gets out of whack. We'll talk about it in a second, but you wouldn't tell anybody.

• 16:38Bill Simmons?

  Well, I think these guys also would have used that 100 down to 50 down to 25. Like that, that's how all these, that's what Riley's piece was about way back when, that these guys, they're just trying to narrow down to that final 10.

• 16:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're trying to figure it out.

• 16:52Bill Simmons?

  And the rest are going to fall by the wayside, but that final 10 will give them a bunch of money. All right, McConaughey, we're talking about a lot of the gamma of this movie later. McConaughey's in a weird part of his career here from 03 to 08. He's in How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days, Sahara, Two for the Money, Failure to Launch, We Are Marshall, and Fool's Gold.

• 17:14Chris Ryan?

  So he had like this initial run when he first kind of burst on the scene after Dazed and Texas Chainsaw Massacre and all that. But like when he first kind of like.

• 17:21Bill Simmons?

  Time to Kill was the.

• 17:22Chris Ryan?

  Time to Kill, Lone Star, Amistad contact. Like he's working with big directors.

• 17:27Bill Simmons?

  He's an A-plus lister possibly.

• 17:29Chris Ryan?

  Yes. And then he just kind of, I mean Hollywood or him loses sort of the hold on the tail of what he is and what he should be doing.

• 17:39Bill Simmons?

  You just get replaced by Colin Farrell or whoever like the next young handsome guys.

• 17:43Chris Ryan?

  And it's like, you know, honestly, like some of these movies that he did that he's probably like, that was a dark period for me, or that was like a fallow period for me. In retrospect, wind up being like totally fine cable rewatchable kind of movies. But this is a good example of that. It's like Two for the Money is a movie where he probably is like, yeah, that wasn't exactly Dallas Buyers Club, but it's pretty enjoyable. And he's goes toe to toe with one of the great actors in movie history.

• 18:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he had hit a point. So that first year where we had Kimmel's show.

• 18:16Bill Simmons?

  We're not getting McConaughey in 02 or 03 on Kimmel Show. I think he's probably too famous.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  Right.

• 18:22Bill Simmons?

  Right?

• 18:23Speaker 02

  Plus, we were doing a bit called The Shirtless McConaughey. We'd go like into the wild and like, "The Shirtless McConaughey was spotted off the coast of the Sahara." You know, like so.

• 18:31Bill Simmons?

  But by, but by 05, 06, McConaughey's coming on Kimmel Show. Like, this is like, "I'd love to come on. That sounds great." And then it completely flips for him all of a sudden by the Dallas Buyers Club, True Detective.

• 18:44Chris Ryan?

  When we were doing Grantland, it was like, we were in the throes of it, the McConaughey's.

• 18:48Bill Simmons?

  A-plus listener during Grantland.

• 18:50Chris Ryan?

  Magic Mike, True Detective, Dallas Buyers Club sets him up.

• 18:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, so he figured out, I wrote this in 2005. I don't remember writing it, but this is what I wrote. Because it felt like the moment had passed for him. Like, it was like, I don't know, he's like Jameis Winston now or something. Where like, "Oh, man, I like that guy. Why didn't it work out for him?" I wrote, "Why do I root for him in every movie? Is it the whole Wooderson days confused thing? Wasn't he superb in A Time to Kill? Am I crazy? Doesn't it feel like his career should have been better? He's the Jimmy Jackson of Hollywood. Jimmy Jackson was an NBA player 30 years ago. There's no real reason why his career should have turned out better, but didn't. And now he's stuck making chick flicks and B-minus movies and wondering where the wheels come off. Maybe his biggest problem is his likable presence and a solid actor to boot, but he's not a great actor. He always plays himself. You can't really make fun of him either, so what's left?

• 19:37Bill Simmons?

  So what turned CR?

• 19:38Speaker 02

  Told you.

• 19:39Bill Simmons?

  How did he become McConaughey?

• 19:40Speaker 02

  Back in the day.

• 19:41Chris Ryan?

  I think that he basically had to like, not to use a gambling term, but he had to hit rock bottom. He had to be like, "I don't really want to make these kinds of movies. I don't want to make, tell these kinds of stories." And then he got incredibly lucky. I mean, I think Magic Mike to me is like a really turning point movie because it's also a choice for him to be the third or fourth person in a film. Like, he's barely, he's briefly in that film comparatively. But he's like, "The material's good. The director's good. I think people will like me in it." And that's sort of where I think things start to turn.

• 20:09Bill Simmons?

  That unlocked it for him.

• 20:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 20:10Bill Simmons?

  What do you think so?

• 20:11Speaker 02

  I think if you threw this movie at him today, or 10 minutes, 10 years ago, or 20, he would still do it. He was, when I interviewed him, he was close to this storyline. Like, I asked him, like, naturally, I asked him, well, what, what did you do? And how did, how did you prepare for this? And he's like, I was in the boiler room with all these characters and I learned, but more than that, my brother was a tout. He had a tout service. He was 27 and 0 famously, over four weeks. And then everybody hated him as soon as he lost. Like, so it was a weird thing. But then he like gets into a whole thing about, he's like, you know, when you're betting these things, sometimes you know. Sometimes you just know if it's a winner. I'm like, oh, boy. He's like, because of the intangibles, like, uh, east coast flying west coast. Or Brett Favre playing on a Monday after his father passes.

• 20:55Speaker 02

  Or, you know, if you just had a kid, you're gonna play.

• 20:58Bill Simmons?

  Something he's eligible for Ringo 107.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, he was drinking the Capper Kool-Aid, I think. So, uh, so I think he would have accepted this at any time period you just mentioned.

• 21:10Bill Simmons?

  I'll say this. I think he's awesome in this movie. I think this is like, as fun of a McConaughey movie performance as exists.

• 21:20Chris Ryan?

  There is, we have a category that we don't often use, which is basically, is this movie perfect for what it is?

• 21:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 21:26Chris Ryan?

  I think that you could make an argument this is.

• 21:28Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 21:28Chris Ryan?

  It's basically like a three-hander, a two-and-a-half-hander.

• 21:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 21:32Chris Ryan?

  That doesn't get outside of its zone. It doesn't try to be about way more than it's not. It's actually fairly serious for passages, but it's a ton of fun. And often what happens when people go up against Pacino is they have to bend the knee and they have to be like, man, this guy's eating all the scenery. I just am like a background player. Like, that would be like Chris O'Donnell in Scent of a Woman or something like that. McConaughey is like, I have such a different pitch than this guy, that we can both be going at 10 at the same time, and it's not too much.

• 22:03Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 22:04Chris Ryan?

  So Pacino's got all the New York energy, and McConaughey's got all this like Texas swagger. And it actually locks together really well, because like, the movie just asks so little of you in that way.

• 22:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's, so Keanu is in the same spot with Devil's Advocate. Keanu easily could have been in this movie, playing the guy he played in Hardball, in this movie, right? And I don't think it's as good. Cruise, this could have been an early 90s Cruise part. There's no question. Actually would have been pretty good.

• 22:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 22:32Bill Simmons?

  But.

• 22:33Chris Ryan?

  This is color of money, yeah.

• 22:34Bill Simmons?

  McConaughey is perfect.

• 22:35Chris Ryan?

  The only one I was thinking.

• 22:36Bill Simmons?

  That's another good one.

• 22:37Chris Ryan?

  Um, Vince Vaughn, but not handsome enough at that point? Like you don't get that thing?

• 22:43Bill Simmons?

  Last couple of years of him as leading man.

• 22:45Chris Ryan?

  Maybe?

• 22:45Bill Simmons?

  This is right when he does the breakup.

• 22:47Chris Ryan?

  He would have been great on this.

• 22:48Bill Simmons?

  I think Pitt could have done it at various points in his career, but it's like you need handsome, charming, charismatic. I have to believe you played football in college.

• 22:57Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 22:57Bill Simmons?

  I have to believe all women are possible for you during the movie and um, I gotta be rooting for you. Pacino, how many rewatchables do you think this is for Pacino? How many movies have we done?

• 23:09Chris Ryan?

  Is this double digits?

• 23:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was gonna say 12.

• 23:11Bill Simmons?

  14.

• 23:12Chris Ryan?

  Wow.

• 23:13Bill Simmons?

  He's number two. He moved out of a dead heat with De Niro.

• 23:16Chris Ryan?

  No way.

• 23:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 23:18Chris Ryan?

  Do we have a lot of Pacino left, you think?

• 23:20Bill Simmons?

  I think we, well, we have Brasco and Scarface is left.

• 23:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 23:24Bill Simmons?

  Uh, Dog Day's left.

• 23:26Chris Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 23:26Bill Simmons?

  I think we have like five left.

• 23:29Speaker 03

  So yeah, Pacino is two all time now for us. Cruz has 17, Pacino at 14, De Niro at 13.

• 23:34Chris Ryan?

  It's Denzel at 11?

• 23:36Speaker 03

  Denzel's at 12, Sylvester Stallone 11. Collinsworth 500? Oh no, that's.

• 23:41Bill Simmons?

  I don't think we can get Segal into double figures. I looked, I tried to figure it out and I just, I looked at every which way, we'd really have to have to bend a little bit. Uh, Pacino, this is like kinda the tail end of when he could do this in a movie CR.

• 23:57Chris Ryan?

  Yes, he's still plausibly in his 60s in this movie.

• 24:01Bill Simmons?

  There's pieces of heat, there's pieces of sin of a woman, there's pieces of devil's advocate, he can still turn the fastball on.

• 24:09Chris Ryan?

  Like, yeah, he's, it's just like wind me up and go.

• 24:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, and I'm not even sure who else, who else could have played Walter Abrams? It's like kinda perfect.

• 24:18Chris Ryan?

  Well, so there's.

• 24:19Bill Simmons?

  Using a lot of Pacino pieces.

• 24:20Chris Ryan?

  I wanted to talk to you a little bit about this, cause there's a much different version of this movie that's like much more serious and it's about addiction and it's also about sexual anxiety, cause like part of this movie is Walter's trying to basically like have sex with other women through Brandon, right? Like he's like setting him up with his wife, he's getting him hookers, he's always talking about how you're me 30 years ago.

• 24:42Bill Simmons?

  Brandon, my cock no longer works.

• 24:47Bill Simmons?

  I just wanna sit in a chair and watch you have sex with my wife.

• 24:50Chris Ryan?

  Why are you doing this as Collinsworth?

• 24:52Bill Simmons?

  I don't know.

• 24:53Chris Ryan?

  Oh Mike.

• 24:54Bill Simmons?

  Oh Mike, my cock doesn't work.

• 24:56Speaker 03

  I'll put Collinsworth.

• 24:58Bill Simmons?

  I don't know why I couldn't do the Pacino. I couldn't make my voice raspy enough. Do Pacino.

• 25:03Chris Ryan?

  Do Pacino not after that? Yeah, I want to let the Collinsworth breathe a little.

• 25:10Bill Simmons?

  So he has some classic Pacino lines in here.

• 25:14Bill Simmons?

  Modesty is not a virtue, it might be a vice.

• 25:16Chris Ryan?

  Might be a vice.

• 25:18Bill Simmons?

  You're selling certainty in an uncertain world?

• 25:21Chris Ryan?

  John Anthony's living large. He's got a direct line to God.

• 25:26Bill Simmons?

  Your clients are jumping ship, you lactose intolerant fuck?

• 25:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was the pivot. Yeah.

• 25:32Bill Simmons?

  And then the best part of a drug is in the high. It's the moment right before you take it. Five great Pacino wisdoms. Give us your Pacino. I know CR's relationship with Pacino. What about you, Sal?

• 25:43Speaker 02

  I think he makes just everything better. I think this is probably one of the last that he could have like a seven year old daughter. You could do that, right?

• 25:52Chris Ryan?

  In real life.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  But to me, it's like you talk about like being cool on screen. Don Draper, the smoking, the drinking, De Niro smoking. This is going to sound stupid, but I think it's cool when he fumbles for his hard pills. I was like, I want to be like that. I want to be the same thing. You grab and you go, oh, can you get? You snap it and you go and it's right back in and you're good as new in like 10 seconds.

• 26:20Bill Simmons?

  It's like, I just want to stay alive for six more months to see Brandon fuck my wife.

• 26:27Chris Ryan?

  For the AFC Championship. Where you can get my free game parlay.

• 26:31Speaker 02

  On the eve of Super 40.

• 26:33Bill Simmons?

  Super XXXX. Yeah, this is the tail end for Pacino here because it starts, he starts getting a little too old. Ebert in his review was talking about how it was a little bit of a Pacino renaissance here. In the early 2000s, coming off, he directed something.

• 26:50Chris Ryan?

  I can feel Raj in the room with us right now.

• 26:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Raj was.

• 26:53Speaker 02

  He gave what, three and a half out of four? He gave a good.

• 26:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. This Raj was three and a half stars. He wrote, "You could see Al Pacino doing something he's done a lot lately, having a terrific time being an actor." George C. Scott used to say, when a good actor was in the right role, you could sense the joy of performance. Pacino has moments here where he doesn't quite click his heels. He means that positively, and he says McConaughey and Russo are wonderful, too.

• 27:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 27:20Bill Simmons?

  Three and a half stars from Raj. Unfortunately, the general public didn't agree. Thirty-five million dollar budget made thirty point five million. And when I wrote my review for Page Two, which I didn't remember writing, I was complimenting it, but I didn't want to be blurb for the posters. So I just wrote a lot of words that were like basically unblurbable. It was basically like.

• 27:40Speaker 03

  That's funny.

• 27:41Bill Simmons?

  I knew I liked it, but I think its destiny was cable. I don't think it was quite a movie theater movie. I think it was, at some point, this should just be on TNT or Cinemax for five straight years. Which is what happened.

• 27:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. This is, this is a kind of originalist movie for us where it's like, if you are walking by a television and Brandon Lang is getting the Pretty Woman montage to turn into John Anthony, you're like, alright, I gotta stick around.

• 28:07Bill Simmons?

  I got twenty minutes.

• 28:08Chris Ryan?

  I gotta walk and go to Wingfoot, you know, like, let's go.

• 28:10Speaker 03

  I love that he has to have a makeover, like, well, how do we get this, this schlub? Give him a haircut. Like they took Jack Black off of Skid Row or something. It's like, alright, he's pretty good looking, you're, you're fine.

• 28:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, so what they do, they, they cut, he had like some, some girth in the back.

• 28:26Speaker 03

  Little bit, yeah.

• 28:27Bill Simmons?

  Slicked the hair back.

• 28:28Chris Ryan?

  Got him a couple of new suits.

• 28:30Speaker 03

  Test drove a car, which we don't know what happened to, I don't know.

• 28:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, the, the really nice Mercedes in New York City that nobody ever needs.

• 28:37Chris Ryan?

  Taught him a little bit about wine.

• 28:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's it. Uh, alright. Craig, any Pacino thoughts before we move on? Cause we've done, I don't know how many you've produced where we've done Pacino, but.

• 28:47Speaker 03

  Probably a lot of them.

• 28:48Bill Simmons?

  The number two rewatchable actor of all time right now.

• 28:51Speaker 03

  Well, it's funny because it's like the first experience people my age had with Pacino was like after he kind of jumped the scent of a woman shark. So it's actually weirder to go back and watch Pacino when he was like thirty-two and really subtle and didn't have like the crazy rusty voice. To everyone now in my generation, he's like everyone's crazy uncle as an actor.

• 29:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 29:08Chris Ryan?

  Sure. Wild eyed, yeah.

• 29:09Bill Simmons?

  Which I think he embraced and was like, not only am I good with this, I'll play this part for however many times you're just gonna give me a good check.

• 29:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, it's really strange to go back to the seventies stuff and the early eighties stuff and see him doing all this nuanced, kind of subtle acting, especially as Michael. And, uh, and then to, to be like, but what you'll be known for is not of crazy yelling!

• 29:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 29:32Chris Ryan?

  What you're gonna do.

• 29:32Speaker 02

  When did he make the turn? What was? Son of a woman.

• 29:35Chris Ryan?

  Son of a woman?

• 29:36Speaker 02

  I think he got that.

• 29:37Bill Simmons?

  Son of a woman in the heat.

• 29:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that was two thousand. What? No, wait, what?

• 29:40Speaker 02

  Early nineties.

• 29:41Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 29:41Speaker 02

  Mid nineties. Yeah, okay, all right.

• 29:43Bill Simmons?

  It's funny, because you watch Godfather two, which I watch all the time.

• 29:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 29:47Bill Simmons?

  But the scene with, uh, with, with the, with the, I'm blanking on the old character.

• 29:54Chris Ryan?

  Uh.

• 29:54Bill Simmons?

  The guy that Lee Strasberg plays. Hyman Roth.

• 29:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, Hyman Roth, yeah.

• 29:58Bill Simmons?

  Hyman Roth does that long story about Mo Green.

• 30:00Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 30:00Bill Simmons?

  That man was named Mo Green. And he does that whole thing, and Pacino's just kind of watching him and playing off him and just kind of

• 30:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 30:09Bill Simmons?

  completely still. And you could just, two thousand and five Pacino, I don't know how he plays that.

• 30:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, when they attack Tahoe, and he starts yelling, and he's like, "My house, where my children live and sleep." You know?

• 30:22Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 30:22Chris Ryan?

  Like, like, that's like, that was like the only sneak preview of what we were gonna get in the nineties.

• 30:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, like, this Pacino in oh five doing the Fredo can only see, can only be here, I need to know a half hour ahead of time when he visits my mother and all this stuff. That would have been Pacino dialing it up.

• 30:39Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 30:40Bill Simmons?

  Um, all right.

• 30:41Chris Ryan?

  Wait, I could do this for two and a half hours?

• 30:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 30:43Chris Ryan?

  This one line? All right, sign me up.

• 30:46Bill Simmons?

  You broke my heart, Fredo! It's time to get into our favorite segment, the most rewatchable scene, which is today brought to you by PayPal. From now through December eighth, you can get twenty percent cash back when you pay in four with PayPal, no fees, no interest. Save the offer in the app now. Most rewatchable scene. Look, you give me McConaughey playing quarterback in college with crazy long hair, hair extensions? We should have, if we had a hair extension person, that would have been a good look for you for this.

• 31:17Chris Ryan?

  Just to have it.

• 31:18Bill Simmons?

  Just for the beginning of the.

• 31:18Chris Ryan?

  Out of my hat, yeah.

• 31:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, long, I don't even know where you find those, but, uh.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  It's part of the helmet, actually. It's actually.

• 31:25Chris Ryan?

  Who do you think that was supposed, like, what would that?

• 31:28Bill Simmons?

  See, like Jake Plummer in Arizona State?

• 31:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I was wondering if it's Jake the snake.

• 31:31Speaker 02

  Tom Marinovich, maybe?

• 31:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  He was a little hippie-ish, right?

• 31:34Bill Simmons?

  I did, this isn't, doesn't fit for nitpicks or, uh, unanswerable, but it's something I've noticed in football movies. They love having the quarter, the play break down and the quarterback just, he's gotta basically scramble for 30 yards. And at some point, he's running toward the middle about to get tackled and does this crazy spin move that always works.

• 31:54Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 31:55Bill Simmons?

  Has it ever worked at midlife, ever? Usually the guy gets concussed.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 31:59Bill Simmons?

  Like, if Jake May did that, I would have a heart attack. But in the sports movies, they do the twirl around, then they go for the goal line, they get hit by three people at the same time.

• 32:07Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 32:07Speaker 02

  They do the Sage Rosenfels, the helicopter.

• 32:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 32:10Chris Ryan?

  But usually they don't have, like, a Joe Theismann-esque knee injury at the end of it.

• 32:15Bill Simmons?

  I was, I was wondering, like, is this Jackson Dart's problem? Is he loves sports movies? And he's like, every time I watch a sports movie, this works. I just gotta take on five guys at once. What, what could be the worst thing?

• 32:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, the, the heroes scramble, you know? It's not sexy to watch, if, if the receiver makes the catch, he's the hero. The quarterback's gotta run it.

• 32:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's, it wouldn't be cool if he just did a bunch of check downs until he got to field goal range.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  Diving for the pylon with no one else around, it makes sense.

• 32:38Bill Simmons?

  I mean, the play that you would do now is the, uh, the Cam Ward play, where you scramble out of bounds. You're going at the last minute, right as you're falling out of bounds, getting hit, you chuck it into the middle of the field and the guy catches it.

• 32:51Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 32:51Bill Simmons?

  That'd be the realistic play now.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  Probably just be a tush push or some bullshit.

• 32:56Chris Ryan?

  Well, Brandon Lang was just born too early, you know? He just needed a much more wide open offensive system.

• 33:00Bill Simmons?

  The tush push would be hilarious for a sports movie.

• 33:03Speaker 02

  In slow motion, four guys on the line moving a second half early.

• 33:07Bill Simmons?

  Sierra's like, listen, man, you told me no tush push jokes. I told you I'd do it with Sal.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 33:11Bill Simmons?

  Not to talk about the fucking tush push.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  You're gonna win the division, it's fine.

• 33:15Bill Simmons?

  I also love Walter showing a clip of the sports. I love every scene with the sports advisors show.

• 33:20Chris Ryan?

  Yes, yeah.

• 33:21Bill Simmons?

  Just, I can't get enough of it. I wish there was more.

• 33:22Chris Ryan?

  So your first thing is, is, is the football pre, preamble?

• 33:26Bill Simmons?

  Next one I have is Pacino's first scene with the hard sell to Brandon, followed by the Brandon figures out his character and keeps working on the tape. I, that whole scene's, I love it.

• 33:38Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 33:39Bill Simmons?

  Working on his John Anthony voice.

• 33:41Chris Ryan?

  Pumping iron right before iPod.

• 33:45Bill Simmons?

  This is Chris Ryan on there on the rewatchable.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  Brother, welcome to the watch. The best is because. Gilligan's nuanced portrait of a post apocalyptic America. Let's go.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  They gotta work backwards, right, to get him shirtless, right? So what do we do? There's no real training montage, but maybe if he has to come to life moment. Meanwhile, the truth is these idiots in the boiler room, there's not a sit up between them. No. They don't look like me. It's ridiculous.

• 34:15Bill Simmons?

  He's shirtless how many times? At least three in this movie. I think that was in his contract.

• 34:19Speaker 02

  Times. Yeah.

• 34:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. It's like, I'll do it, but I gotta be sure of this.

• 34:22Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:23Bill Simmons?

  Uh, Pacino's gambling rehab speech.

• 34:27Speaker 02

  That's mine.

• 34:27Bill Simmons?

  Takes them to rehab and gives them the us lemons. We fuck shit up all the time on purpose because we constantly need to remind ourselves we're alive. Gambling's not your problem. It's this fucked up need to feel something and convince yourself you exist.

• 34:40Chris Ryan?

  Do you guys actually, do you ever feel that close to it? That that primal feel of, I don't gamble on sports, so I was just curious.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  But he made it like it was losing is what is great.

• 34:50Chris Ryan?

  But that's what I'm asking is like when you take it.

• 34:52Bill Simmons?

  Sal and I are on the opposite end. We don't like losing.

• 34:54Speaker 02

  No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 34:55Bill Simmons?

  The winning part.

• 34:57Speaker 02

  I do too. You guys are just the best, most well adjusted gamblers.

• 35:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, we like when we win the best.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  We want to introduce this concept to a whole new audience where.

• 35:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, we're trying to do it through Ringer 107 where all of us are 28 and 30 or whatever our records are.

• 35:11Speaker 02

  I love, that was mine too. I, I, how was it? Do I jump in if it's mine?

• 35:15Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna go through all of them and then if I forgot one, tell me. The TV show scene where we, we, what was the psych system?

• 35:23Chris Ryan?

  I'll tell you. Do you want to know?

• 35:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, what is it?

• 35:25Chris Ryan?

  Stats, records, rankings, weather, if the goalpost is tilted just a little bit. The psych system uses 42 proven indexes and to eliminate the guesswork in sports wagering.

• 35:38Bill Simmons?

  I'd use that right now.

• 35:39Speaker 02

  I'll do it.

• 35:40Bill Simmons?

  That sounds amazing.

• 35:41Chris Ryan?

  It's just stats. It's just like, it's not like, it's like some hidden algorithm.

• 35:46Bill Simmons?

  Do you think house practice is the psych system?

• 35:48Speaker 02

  I think so. Yeah, I could see it. People have their models, right?

• 35:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. So this is like Rahim's model.

• 35:54Speaker 02

  Rahim's model, the psych system.

• 35:55Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah. So Rahim should call it the Rahim system.

• 35:58Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 35:59Bill Simmons?

  Instead of him talking about a model, he should be like, I checked out the Rahim system.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  I looked at the stats and records and the rankings.

• 36:05Bill Simmons?

  I have a minus six in the Rahim system. So we're doing something wrong with the ringer gambling. We need to, we need more branding and more big, big giant things.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  I think you guys need more characters. You guys all have to adapt, adopt a character.

• 36:19Bill Simmons?

  Well, I don't know if you've seen Rahim. I think he qualifies. I'd like to think JJ qualifies.

• 36:25Speaker 02

  Less character.

• 36:26Bill Simmons?

  Tabundo, we're trying to pull the character out.

• 36:28Speaker 02

  Tony Dollars?

• 36:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Tony Dollars has been doing great.

• 36:31Speaker 02

  But when you, yeah, when you talk about models, no one ever holds you to it. It's the same thing. It's a psych system.

• 36:37Chris Ryan?

  Cause it's proprietary.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  You and I should say we have a model. I went to a wedding.

• 36:40Bill Simmons?

  I did this.

• 36:40Speaker 02

  I saw someone who goes on TV often talks about how she has a, he or she has a model. And I was like, let's see what's going on. She's like, oh no, I could never show you. I could tell there was no model. There's nothing. It's fine.

• 36:54Bill Simmons?

  I have symbiotics for before the season. That was the only model I created. My whole system for picking teams and futures. Yeah. Well, it was a joke. I named it symbiotics, but I kind of stuck with certain things.

• 37:05Chris Ryan?

  Systems, right? Like you and Lombardi used to have blue chips, right?

• 37:08Bill Simmons?

  Blue chip, red chip. Yeah, I have a whole, that ranking system I do. I have the playoff manifesto.

• 37:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 37:14Bill Simmons?

  But nothing as good as a psych system.

• 37:16Chris Ryan?

  Do you stick to the manifesto?

• 37:17Bill Simmons?

  I try it for playoffs. I try to stick. I mean, it's funny. I've been.

• 37:21Speaker 02

  By then we have no money.

• 37:24Bill Simmons?

  I've been violating it in real life. Like, how did we not bet on, against JJ McCarthy and Lambo? Like, how was that one of my five picks?

• 37:32Speaker 02

  Well, we did the next best thing. We bet on him.

• 37:35Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 37:35Speaker 02

  Did not.

• 37:37Bill Simmons?

  I put a little on the money line, yeah. Stupid.

• 37:41Bill Simmons?

  I need the psych, I needed the psych system to exist. We also have that Chuck Adler guy who's coming in hot.

• 37:47Chris Ryan?

  He's just having an aneurysm.

• 37:49Bill Simmons?

  He's from, obviously, the Philadelphia area.

• 37:51Chris Ryan?

  Is he?

• 37:52Bill Simmons?

  No, I'm just guessing.

• 37:53Chris Ryan?

  Uh, it wouldn't surprise me if he was tri-state area, yeah.

• 37:56Bill Simmons?

  Maybe, he might have been in task. Uh, I, I'm gonna give him preemptively the Ruffalo Hannah Ruben Partridge overacting award. That guy, they're like, hey Chuck Adler, coming hot. Um, CR, why wasn't this McConaughey's first Oscar? His scene where the sports advisors that comes to him and he goes, "Every QB knows the secret, the key to victory is anticipation. The ability to see the future and react to it."

• 38:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 38:22Bill Simmons?

  And just the way he makes love to the camera.

• 38:25Chris Ryan?

  Well, cause it's like, he's been going so over the top as John Anthony so far. And then he kinda has that little kernel of like, it's just you and me talking here, you know?

• 38:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 38:34Chris Ryan?

  It's just the two of us.

• 38:35Bill Simmons?

  Let's make some bets together, brother. I was in, I thought that scene could have been five minutes longer.

• 38:39Chris Ryan?

  Who, if you're turning on sports advisors, who do you find yourself most drawn to?

• 38:44Bill Simmons?

  Oh, psych system.

• 38:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, psych system.

• 38:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, psych system. Completely. So the guy's got 42 variables, I wanna know what he's thinking. Who would you have, who'd you have drafted to, Craig? Drafted to?

• 38:57Speaker 03

  On the sports advisor show?

• 38:59Bill Simmons?

  Those four guys, who would have been your guys?

• 39:01Speaker 03

  You always gotta be wary of the guy who's too attractive. Like, when you look at McConaughey, you're like, this guy's a snake oil salesman.

• 39:06Chris Ryan?

  It's pivot, man.

• 39:06Speaker 03

  You gotta go with the ugliest guy at the table. That's always the move.

• 39:09Bill Simmons?

  Fair.

• 39:09Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 39:10Speaker 02

  But McConaughey broke it down, like, he didn't stick to the script, right? And he's like, this is not, like, he's like, I'm just, I'm just gonna tell you how it is.

• 39:18Chris Ryan?

  How it is, yeah.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  And this is when the executive producer would blow up the show, but Pacino's like, no.

• 39:23Chris Ryan?

  It's always the best part is when a guy's just like, they've written me this speech I'm supposed to give you, but ah, forget that.

• 39:28Speaker 03

  And Pacino knows the cameras are only on, on Brandon, and he's talking to the director, he's like, let it go.

• 39:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 39:33Speaker 03

  This is gold.

• 39:34Bill Simmons?

  But Brandon's on a heater at this point.

• 39:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, so, it's my understanding that this takes place over one football season, right?

• 39:41Bill Simmons?

  Yes.

• 39:41Chris Ryan?

  So he's gone.

• 39:42Speaker 03

  He's hot for like, five, six weeks, right?

• 39:44Chris Ryan?

  I think so, yeah.

• 39:45Speaker 03

  Right.

• 39:45Bill Simmons?

  And a little unrealistically hot. I mean, it's not the pick nits, but you're not going 13-0.

• 39:51Speaker 02

  10-0 and hit the Monday night parlay.

• 39:54Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 39:55Bill Simmons?

  I have to tell a quick Sal story. Sal, when, when I was at ESPN in Greenland, along with CR, um, Sal ended up on SportsCenter. Giving picks.

• 40:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 40:07Bill Simmons?

  And you had your, what was it, your best bet?

• 40:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, Thursday night, I would go on, I would give four picks and uh, are you gonna say my record? I was like.

• 40:16Bill Simmons?

  No, but you had one where you, you hit every week for like 11 weeks or something.

• 40:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was 18-0 and 2. Yeah.

• 40:23Chris Ryan?

  Wow.

• 40:24Bill Simmons?

  He, Sal hit a heater and it's on ESPN.

• 40:26Chris Ryan?

  Sal Anthony.

• 40:27Bill Simmons?

  That's right. And Sal and I thought this was like the most important story in sports. We thought this was like the Heat's 27 game win streak.

• 40:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 40:35Bill Simmons?

  And Sal's heater. And nobody cared. And I'm sending angry emails to ESPN PR. I was like, you don't understand.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:42Bill Simmons?

  He's 18-0 and 2. They're like, whatever, we don't care.

• 40:45Speaker 02

  Yahoo scooped, Yahoo wrote an article about it.

• 40:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Sal was, Sal was deranged.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  Who was the, who was the, who was the sports anchor you were usually doing it with?

• 40:53Chris Ryan?

  It was Neil Everett.

• 40:54Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 40:54Chris Ryan?

  It was, it was great.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  What was your system?

• 40:55Chris Ryan?

  I love him.

• 40:56Bill Simmons?

  He just got fired.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  Sally psych system. But it was ridiculous. And I'd have one parlay, one teaser and like three straight bets, but, and I was so mad, you're right. Like we were all mad that ESPN wasn't doing anything about this. And I'm like Yahoo is scooping you, your, your competitor is scooping you. And the executive producer called me and he's like, look, we have to dip our toe in the water. If we keep, we have a big deal out of this gambling thing, we're gonna lose the Monday night game and whatever. It was different times.

• 41:23Chris Ryan?

  Little did they know.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 41:25Bill Simmons?

  Sal was wandering around the extended LA area just telling everybody he knew, I'm 18-0 and 2. It was like just a dream.

• 41:33Chris Ryan?

  At Starbucks, they're like, what's your name? He's like 18-0 and 2.

• 41:37Bill Simmons?

  I had a couple doing my, my goal in my column was always to go 11-0. It was always the, it was 11 playoff games, can you hit 11-0? And I think I had, I think I was 8-0 heading into one of the conference weekends. And it was the only thing I cared about. I thought about it all day. I just wanted to do 11-0 once. Never happened. Now it's 13-0. It's like,

• 41:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:56Bill Simmons?

  I actually think that's genuinely impossible to pick 13 playoff games against the spread.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Do you, have you ever had a reason, like anything that you thought was the most important thing in the world and then nobody gives a shit?

• 42:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 42:08Speaker 02

  There's no feeling like it. There really isn't.

• 42:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  I, I can't even imagine.

• 42:13Chris Ryan?

  That was Les doing the country strong rewatchables.

• 42:18Bill Simmons?

  I stand by it. That was a great episode.

• 42:19Speaker 02

  Do you think anybody could get this famous now? Is there too much gambling out there where like, how hot would somebody need to go where they actually became a sensation?

• 42:27Chris Ryan?

  I think it would have to be something that was more of a stunt, like they're betting a million of their own dollars every game or something like that, where it's like, so almost watching a guy on like, who wants to be a millionaire or something.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  There are people who go viral on Instagram and it's like, they kind of do gimmicks. It's like, I'm betting the Angel Reese will miss her first shot every week for, you know, and it works for like 10 weeks in a row. But do you think anybody could genuinely get on SportsCenter famous, giving their picks every week and everyone's tuning in? Or is there just too much gambling content out there now for that to happen?

• 42:56Bill Simmons?

  So here's what I think has changed. I think the margins are basically gone. And this is hap- it's almost like in baseball when like two teams knew about on base percentage and they were snapping up guys for years and years and nobody else knew. And it's like, oh, we'll get this guy. His on base is 380 and he'd go for like 2 million bucks. I don't, everyone knows all the same edges now. They know all the, any sort of home splits or schedule stuff, or think about how much time and energy we put on all this. The only real edge now is the futures.

• 43:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:30Bill Simmons?

  Like the, in July and August, like trying to figure out.

• 43:33Chris Ryan?

  Betting, betting.

• 43:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, division bets.

• 43:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 43:35Bill Simmons?

  Looking like the Pats were a great example this year, or like a new coach.

• 43:39Chris Ryan?

  But aren't you just throwing like money into a well and hoping your wish comes true then? Is like.

• 43:43Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, you're not, you're not getting it until five months later. I think, I just think the odds are always like, we always talk about this, the odds are like perfect now. They weren't perfect in the 90s.

• 43:53Speaker 02

  No, they're very tight. And the AI and everything, and that's they kick people off of sports betting sites because they see a pattern and it's just too hard. But like Billy Walters is a great example. He's one of like three people who's made money sports gambling in the last three decades. And he goes, he was, I was on my show for a little bit. I was like, wow, he wants to be on the show and he was giving picks. And I was like, you gotta look at the data here. And I was like, oh my God, no, you need, you need an Al Pacino type giving these picks. You have to have like, you do have to have the personality. Otherwise it doesn't matter. It really doesn't.

• 44:23Bill Simmons?

  Though, oh, go ahead. Though, the real way to do this, which just isn't fun, is to just zag against the general public. Like, we're taping this on a Monday. The obvious game this week was Saints Falcons. We all had it in Ring of 107. It was like, Saints minus one and a half. Everyone loved the Saints. And Sal and I, we've known each other a long time. Anytime that happens, we're like, this isn't good. Cause the general public doesn't win in gambling. So you know, like, nobody's taking the Falcons, probably just take the Falcons. But nobody wants to do that.

• 44:53Speaker 02

  Right. They'll post it. FanDuel will even advertise it. He's the top five bets of the week. XXXX check.

• 44:58Bill Simmons?

  You never want to have the top five bets.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 45:01Bill Simmons?

  Cause the general public usually loses.

• 45:03Chris Ryan?

  Oh, this is so depressing. It's also worth noting that, uh, what, Moneyball, the book, is oh, oh, two?

• 45:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 45:11Chris Ryan?

  Right?

• 45:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 45:12Chris Ryan?

  And then Sloan comes around.

• 45:15Bill Simmons?

  Oh, nine, 10, yeah.

• 45:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. So this is right, this is still like, really at the beginning of the idea of like, you could have a psych system and you're one of like, a minority of people who are looking at that stuff. Because people really were still, I think, this is the way I prefer to consume sports media, is to read writing about it rather than a bunch of numbers. But like, people were like, yeah, you know what? This guy's just got grit. Or momentum is swinging their way. Or I feel like, you know, the weather's changed and this is a dome team. And all the stuff that like, you would just kind of go off of your gut rather than like, DVOA.

• 45:52Bill Simmons?

  Peyton Manning outdoors, he never wins.

• 45:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 45:54Chris Ryan?

  Exactly.

• 45:55Bill Simmons?

  That stuff would kind of fade away. Yeah, I think now 60% is like, idea.

• 46:00Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 46:01Bill Simmons?

  Now, if they, they made the sequel to this, be like, I've hit 61% of my bets. Like, whoa, that's really high. Great job. Uh, more rewatchable stuff. The, the, uh, arguing about everyone's dysfunctional childhood.

• 46:15Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 46:16Bill Simmons?

  Which includes Pacino saying, "My father, five foot arms like this. He had a cock like a Hebrew national."

• 46:24Speaker 02

  I feel like that was a Pacino.

• 46:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he slipped that one in.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  Improv, yeah. It's worth noting, Dan Gilroy, Tony Gilroy's brother, wrote this, wrote this movie, but I think there was some improvisation.

• 46:34Bill Simmons?

  The Armand DeSantis scene. I just like when it's like the super rich guy with like this amazing, it's like the succession. Kind of like, here's our new character and they just had the greatest house.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:45Bill Simmons?

  John Anthony hitting a million dollar over thanks to an intern. I had that. Brandon goes into a gambling swoon. Nothing's ever three and three, four and four. It's always either he's either 11 and 0 or 1 and 11.

• 46:56Chris Ryan?

  And it starts after he's asked Walter for, uh, to wet his beak a little bit.

• 47:01Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 47:01Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 47:02Bill Simmons?

  Uh, two more. You're gonna have to rip it out of my talons.

• 47:08Bill Simmons?

  My personal pick, Pacino. What do you wanna know? I'm gambling again!

• 47:15Bill Simmons?

  The funniest scene in the movie. And then, uh, the ultimate bad beat, Atlanta 24, New York 20.

• 47:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:22Bill Simmons?

  The, uh, the Hail Mary from the 30s somehow connecting, which seems like that was an actual USFL play and they lose and it seems like everything's bleak. Did you have anything else for most rewatchable?

• 47:31Speaker 02

  I just, I had that scene. To me, I could watch it 10 times. The, it's such a great device. Um, infiltrating the Gamblers Anonymous meeting.

• 47:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  Just, just so good. And telling them they're all lemons. By the way, we should bring that word back.

• 47:45Chris Ryan?

  Calling somebody a lemon?

• 47:46Speaker 02

  Lemon, yeah, right.

• 47:47Bill Simmons?

  I'm ready.

• 47:47Speaker 02

  Lemon of a person, lemon of a pick. And just talking about, it's not you, you're a lemon. You can, they were great lines in that. And just then handing them his card. Like, you suck as gamblers. It's not, uh, not an addiction. You suck personally, but if you wanna lose more, here's my card.

• 48:04Chris Ryan?

  Get my card, yeah.

• 48:05Speaker 02

  Beautiful.

• 48:05Bill Simmons?

  What'd you have?

• 48:06Chris Ryan?

  I had the first, the sports advi, John Anthony's first sports advisors broadcast where the psych system and then John Anthony.

• 48:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that, I am switching my pick. I think that's right. Those two, the, I mean, this is why this movie's so rewatchable though. It has these multiple awesome scenes in it. All right. That was today's edition of the most rewatchable scene brought to you by PayPal. From now through December 8th, you can get 20% cash back when you're paying for it with PayPal. No fees, no interest. Save the offer in the app now. Whether it's a must have toy or a tiered cheese board. PayPal helps you make the most of your money this holiday. Expires 12/8. See paypal.com promo terms. Subject to approval. Learn more at paypal.com/payinfor. This episode is brought to you by Quince. Finding a decent piece of clothing can be a lot harder than finding a decent movie, but that was before Quince. Quince has staple pieces made from premium materials like 100% Mongolian cashmere,

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• 50:25Bill Simmons?

  Sal, what was the most 2005 thing about this movie for you?

• 50:28Speaker 02

  There's a lot. There's a lot. Nobu. No, Nobu's still popular. The fax machines, the fact that they allude to internet. The internet's coming, you know, this is kind of thing. What else do we want to do?

• 50:43Bill Simmons?

  Those sports advisor shows existing.

• 50:44Speaker 02

  Just those shows.

• 50:45Bill Simmons?

  Feels like those are dead now.

• 50:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure.

• 50:47Chris Ryan?

  Uh, John Anthony, when he's first doing his first recordings, I think it's the one after Pumping Iron, he goes, uh, he gets onto the phone and he says, um, "It's a scud attack this weekend."

• 51:04Chris Ryan?

  Desert Storm era joke. There's also a casual, this guy would never be president, Donald Trump joke about his hair.

• 51:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 51:12Chris Ryan?

  Uh, and yeah.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  I wonder if that was a USFL dig. I wonder if he...

• 51:15Chris Ryan?

  Oh, I wonder, yeah.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, he gave him trouble even getting rights to those, you know, or something like that.

• 51:19Chris Ryan?

  It's possible.

• 51:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:20Bill Simmons?

  I had the Trump thing.

• 51:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, and then just sports betting still being illegal in most states.

• 51:24Speaker 02

  Needing four TVs to watch four games.

• 51:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 51:27Speaker 02

  It's kind of the OG Quadbox.

• 51:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 51:29Speaker 02

  How about four TVs to watch one game?

• 51:30Chris Ryan?

  At one point, they, right?

• 51:32Speaker 02

  They just had the one game.

• 51:33Chris Ryan?

  When did NFL, like, when did NFL League Pass come into being?

• 51:39Bill Simmons?

  Late 90s. I had it like 2000, basically, I think.

• 51:43Speaker 02

  The headsets, the, the telemarketer headsets that are the size of like specialized football helmets now?

• 51:49Bill Simmons?

  I have two extras. The Paul Taggaboo commissioner back then banned commercials from the movie for the first weekend NFL games. They wouldn't let them advertise on NFL games.

• 52:00Speaker 02

  Oh, interesting.

• 52:01Bill Simmons?

  Now they'd be like freaking...

• 52:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Let's have McConaughey and Pacino in the Jerry Jones's box.

• 52:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it was like, I need to wet my beak.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, right, right.

• 52:08Bill Simmons?

  Um, this is my favorite, though. The, uh...

• 52:12Speaker 02

  Third iPad.

• 52:15Bill Simmons?

  I don't have a third one. This is it. Um, Pacino's telling Russo what he wants to do with, uh, John Anthony, and he goes, "I'm gonna do this whole dot com thing around him."

• 52:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 52:26Bill Simmons?

  I think that's the last time anyone said dot com.

• 52:30Bill Simmons?

  That was it. In a movie. It ended right there, because at that point, dot com is like, pretty popular.

• 52:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 52:36Chris Ryan?

  Here's one thing, I looked it up a little bit and got somewhat of a better picture, but I wanted to ask you guys, because I feel like you probably, what is John Anthony's or Brandon's job when he's working in the cubicle? Like, the talk to text 900 number thing?

• 52:50Bill Simmons?

  It's some sort of 900 seemingly multimedia company in Vegas. Where you could do gambling, or sex, or all kinds of things.

• 52:59Chris Ryan?

  And he's trying to get people to call Jessica Simpson's hotline.

• 53:03Bill Simmons?

  That sounded great, by the way, I would have thought that.

• 53:05Speaker 02

  Is that, because I have a lot of friends out of work. Is that still a thing? I would love to hook them up, Jessica Simpson trivia, or whatever's going on.

• 53:13Chris Ryan?

  AI took my job, so now I host the 900 number by Jessica Simpson.

• 53:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, would you tell people you had that job back then? I can't remember.

• 53:23Chris Ryan?

  I think if I was like, if I looked like Matthew McConaughey, I'd probably be like, yeah, I'm just doing a 900 number.

• 53:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. All right, what's aged the best of them? See, this new iPad, I'm not using as well. So Al Pacino's character being based on Stu Finer.

• 53:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 53:43Bill Simmons?

  It's just gonna age great every year for the rest of my life.

• 53:45Chris Ryan?

  And now Finer's on the Barstool show, right?

• 53:47Speaker 02

  Still kicking around, yeah, same stuff.

• 53:49Bill Simmons?

  Is he still, how's he doing?

• 53:51Speaker 02

  Oh, he's doing great. 10-0 last week. But then 0-10, it was weird, huh?

• 53:56Bill Simmons?

  I have a bunch of what's ages, give me your best one.

• 53:58Chris Ryan?

  I guess, like I said before, bringing a character into New York City for the first time, it's always got like, a little bit of like, a Wizard of Oz thing. I really think Pacino's line, "You shut your fucking toilet when I'm talking to her."

• 54:13Chris Ryan?

  Nobody, I have never heard somebody describe another person's mouth as a toilet. I really like that. Walter's take on family dysfunction, and Winged Foot is still really hard to play, apparently.

• 54:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 54:24Speaker 02

  Wingfoot, yeah.

• 54:26Bill Simmons?

  You have anyone with age the best?

• 54:27Speaker 02

  McConaughey's pecs, I think.

• 54:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 54:30Speaker 02

  Pretty good.

• 54:30Bill Simmons?

  Looked great.

• 54:31Speaker 02

  Uh, Piven's pettiness.

• 54:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 54:34Speaker 02

  Right? Well, that's never gonna really, how's that move? And just the pep talks of overall Pacino.

• 54:39Chris Ryan?

  I also think that they nailed the Russo care casting. Where it's like believable that she's with Walter, but believable that like.

• 54:46Bill Simmons?

  She's the right age where she can kinda go between both of them.

• 54:48Speaker 02

  Is she? That was the director's wife?

• 54:51Chris Ryan?

  Uh, screenwriter's wife.

• 54:53Bill Simmons?

  Who was the director? DJ?

• 54:54Chris Ryan?

  DJ Caruso.

• 54:55Bill Simmons?

  Probably should have mentioned that at the top.

• 54:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he did Eagle Eye and a bunch of other stuff.

• 54:58Bill Simmons?

  His movies definitely have a certain feel to them, but which I think worked for this. I had for what's age the best, it's the struggling hairline Super Bowl between Pacino, McConaughey and Piven.

• 55:08Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 55:09Bill Simmons?

  Just three guys that had a lot of issues over the years.

• 55:13Chris Ryan?

  Pacino has a very, very, very straight hairline. That un- an unrealistically straight hairline in this.

• 55:20Bill Simmons?

  This is right when the wheels really came off for it.

• 55:24Bill Simmons?

  Piven playing basically Jerry Sykes as Ari from Entourage.

• 55:28Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 55:29Bill Simmons?

  But working for a 900 hotline.

• 55:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:31Bill Simmons?

  I think he had just finished filming an Entourage season. He's like, should I change these characters at all? Fuck it.

• 55:36Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 55:37Bill Simmons?

  He's just Ari.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  By the way, Ari Gold would have been a better name for.

• 55:41Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 55:41Speaker 02

  Anything gold, anything money, anything, whatever, for a tout service guy.

• 55:45Bill Simmons?

  You know, that's Craig's favorite show.

• 55:46Speaker 02

  Is it?

• 55:47Bill Simmons?

  Entourage?

• 55:47Chris Ryan?

  One of them, it's up there, right?

• 55:49Bill Simmons?

  Loves it. Did you feel like this was Ari?

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly the same. I wish he was in a movie like, I wish he just played Ari in a movie every year.

• 55:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  For like the whole run of the show.

• 55:57Bill Simmons?

  I think he would at this point.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, bring him back.

• 55:59Bill Simmons?

  I think that might be.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  But then you don't see his range.

• 56:02Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 56:05Bill Simmons?

  CR, this is one of my favorites. Can't believe you didn't mention it. Slicking back your hair as a movie identity change?

• 56:11Speaker 02

  Yes. Oh, yeah.

• 56:12Bill Simmons?

  What's better?

• 56:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, where it's like, who's this guy coming out of the dressing room?

• 56:16Bill Simmons?

  I'll never forget when, uh, that Miami Vice season five when. Crockett got amnesia, became a bad guy and they fucking went right back. It's always either you're becoming a bad guy or you're becoming dangerous.

• 56:28Chris Ryan?

  That should be our last episode before Netflix is when we're truly just like, what else we got?

• 56:32Bill Simmons?

  I might, when we go to Netflix, I might just slick my hair back. I might just do it. I might do the McConaughey, grow it out in the back, do a little ponytail.

• 56:39Speaker 02

  That's what you got to say, golly. That's how you're gonna get to double digits with him.

• 56:43Bill Simmons?

  I want to mention for what's age the best and nine other categories, that guy from, I think Mystic River? Kevin Chapman?

• 56:50Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 56:51Bill Simmons?

  One of the great, that guy's who's now Kevin Chapman. You've seen him in a million stuff. Dicky Barrett's friend who he used to bring to Kimmel Show.

• 56:58Chris Ryan?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 56:59Bill Simmons?

  This is my friend Kevin, he's an actor. And this guy was like, Massachusetts guy, his character in this movie is named Southie.

• 57:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, awesome.

• 57:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, just tremendous. They didn't even want to give him like, call him Sully.

• 57:12Speaker 02

  Address him.

• 57:13Bill Simmons?

  And then, I really like the parody portion of this, but I do, maybe this is a what's age the worst. I just think Piven should have been in front of a green screen doing this psych system. I can't believe they didn't do that.

• 57:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:24Bill Simmons?

  Let's go to Jerry Sykes, he's in Las Vegas. Jerry, what's going on there?

• 57:28Chris Ryan?

  Or like Jerry Sykes is in his math laboratory where he's cooking up more models.

• 57:33Bill Simmons?

  Guys, I went to MIT, I have six of the best engineers. Big Coon a Burger, where best use of food or drink, rip through these quickly. Probably the thousand dollar bottle of wine.

• 57:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I also just like, I think there's multiple Smith and Wabensky references in this movie.

• 57:48Speaker 02

  I like Pacino cleaning up whatever dessert that was. It makes me think, oh, what was that?

• 57:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  Whatever that was, that looked great, but good for them.

• 57:56Bill Simmons?

  This is a wonderful creme brulee.

• 58:01Bill Simmons?

  I'm trying to redeem my Pacino after I started out as Collinsworth.

• 58:04Chris Ryan?

  Oh, Mike, this creme brulee.

• 58:07Bill Simmons?

  Like this brain and leg.

• 58:08Chris Ryan?

  Terrible.

• 58:09Bill Simmons?

  He was an abortion, Michael.

• 58:18Bill Simmons?

  What'd you have for great shot, Gordo, Chris?

• 58:20Chris Ryan?

  You know, I wouldn't say that this is the most cinematically mind blowing film I've ever seen, but I did really like the introduction of Walter's character to Brandon. It's just his hand hanging out the window with a cigarette. And it's also like foreshadowing of how Walter's always watching. We haven't really talked about the fact that like midway through this movie just turns into kind of a thriller. Where Walter is like puppeteering Brandon's whole life. And every sexual interaction he's had, Walter is paid for and he's setting him up with his wife and all this stuff. But that's a great little character flair thing.

• 58:58Bill Simmons?

  Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happyness award for best noodle drop. This movie has good music, including Pusher Man from Curtis Mayfield.

• 59:04Chris Ryan?

  I like that.

• 59:05Bill Simmons?

  It's not unusual from Tom Jones, but the winner.

• 59:11Bill Simmons?

  The Monday Night Football theme in a movie just brings me so much joy. And they really put, they really go for it. It's like, I don't know if they paid or ripped it, but I loved hearing it.

• 59:22Speaker 02

  It's awesome. Against my wife's better judgment, we came out on our wedding night to the Fox pregame show.

• 59:32Speaker 02

  I was mad when it ended. Yeah, I got away with it.

• 59:34Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that's amazing.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  We didn't even clear it. It was good.

• 59:38Bill Simmons?

  Did Jimmy go on a run when he was doing Fox? Didn't he go on a run with upset picks?

• 59:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it was, everything was straight up then. You couldn't pick by the spread. You probably can't, they don't even do it now, really. But yeah, we had, we were four and oh, three weeks in a row there.

• 59:53Speaker 02

  I like for cinematic, if I could jump back, when I feel like when he was making out with her on the steps. And you know, Pacino's watching, there's that shot. You could add any music to that. You could add Righteous Brothers, Third Eye Blind, doesn't matter. I thought that was nice.

• 1:00:08Bill Simmons?

  Chess Rockwell Brock Lander's award for best character name, is it John Anthony?

• 1:00:12Chris Ryan?

  I think so.

• 1:00:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, okay. What do you have for a flex category, CR?

• 1:00:15Chris Ryan?

  I mean, it's, it's, I'm sorry to be predictable, but the Sean Penn, I brought my own pack in excellence and onscreen smoking goes to Pacino. Especially because he's smoking through multiple heart attacks.

• 1:00:27Bill Simmons?

  I was gonna say, like, if we had had this category for all the Pacino movies, he would have won each time. It would have been like when Wayne Gretzky was just winning the Art Ross Memorial Trophy year after year.

• 1:00:39Bill Simmons?

  Amazing. Hall of Fame first ballot smoker. I agree. Butch's Girlfriend Award for weak link of the film.

• 1:00:47Chris Ryan?

  I like Armand Desanty as an actor, but it's a strange character to introduce, make into a huge threat, and then just kind of abandon.

• 1:00:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:57Chris Ryan?

  So the whole Novian thing, kinda like-

• 1:01:00Bill Simmons?

  He pees on him and then we kind of never see him again. It's like, oh no, he peed on him.

• 1:01:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, and he's like, I know where your family lives. And it's like, well, okay, so then what happens next? Like, is he, are you always in hock to this guy?

• 1:01:12Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 1:01:12Chris Ryan?

  Cause he just lost him like eight million dollars, right?

• 1:01:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was a weird way to wrap him up. Like, is he teaching him a lesson? Is he a gangster? Is he this?

• 1:01:21Chris Ryan?

  Right. He's the bad guy, and then Walter becomes the bad guy like 10 minutes later.

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  Right, exactly.

• 1:01:25Bill Simmons?

  Do you think it's a better ending if they win the big game at the end? He's in the airport, he's starting to walk away, and then he just gets shot in the head, uncut Jeff style.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  Definitely a better movie, yeah.

• 1:01:38Bill Simmons?

  It's just like, oh, he's dead.

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  Peeed on from the top.

• 1:01:40Bill Simmons?

  And the guy pees on him after he shoots him.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  I had, um, I had the seven-year-old daughter. She sucked. Every line forced. What was she doing? Trying to steal the scenes? Um, no, I have to say Piven. And really not the him, but the character, I think. I don't think they knew what to do with him. They did, it was just kind of lazy entourage thing. He should have sabotaged him, right? Isn't this, isn't there a sabotage thing where he pours bleach in the coffee?

• 1:02:09Chris Ryan?

  A great antagonist for the movie.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, you needed that. He was like kinda down the middle. Like, this is his send off.

• 1:02:15Chris Ryan?

  I think the idea is that Walter runs hot and cold with people, and that's so like, even the chauffeur in the beginning of the movie is like, I've only walked for him for two weeks, you know, like, everybody seems to come in and out of his orbit. But yeah.

• 1:02:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, but then you need the talented Mr. Ripley marge scene. Where she's like, when Dicky, when he wants to be with you, it's like the sun shines on you. And then when he finds someone else.

• 1:02:37Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:02:38Bill Simmons?

  The weather becomes cold. We didn't have that scene.

• 1:02:41Speaker 03

  Sykes should have started to take the opposite of Brandon's picks. That would have been the move.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  That's what, I mean, Walter says that at one point, like, why don't you just make your picks and then we'll bet the opposite.

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, he should. That should have been Sykes's play.

• 1:02:52Bill Simmons?

  Can I tell you what I think happened? I think Piven had like a week between Entourage and Entourage season two.

• 1:02:59Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:03:00Bill Simmons?

  They're like, we got Jeremy's red hot right now. We only have him on the set for four days.

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:05Bill Simmons?

  We got to figure out some reason for him to leave the movie with a half hour to go. And that was, that I agree with you. He should have been a bigger part of this movie. My weak link, I just don't like the ending. With the, winning the big game, saving the business, basically. John Anthony wins his one last pick, but at the same time, we have this Rene Russo trying to save her marriage thing interspersed with the game. And I'm like, I just care about the game? There's a comeback holding on right now?

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:03:31Bill Simmons?

  Tampa's coming back, or Kansas City, whoever it was. I just want to know what's happening here. And she's like, then it's like back to, I just.

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  Do they try to do a Rocky thing there where you're trying to listen for the results, the decision? But also you have to catch their embrace and everything and you have to zigzag through that.

• 1:03:49Bill Simmons?

  It just didn't work.

• 1:03:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:50Bill Simmons?

  What's age the worst?

• 1:03:52Chris Ryan?

  I think guys having heart attacks at work.

• 1:03:55Bill Simmons?

  And taking pills and then they're fine?

• 1:03:57Chris Ryan?

  Guy's been successfully medicated out of, out of existence, right? Like, have you ever seen a guy have a minor cardiac event, but just take a pill and be like, oh, that was a big one?

• 1:04:09Bill Simmons?

  Other than my dad?

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  That's gonna be me. I'm hoping. I'm telling you, it's cool.

• 1:04:13Speaker 03

  Also, before the pill even reaches your stomach, it appears to have worked.

• 1:04:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's just like, it's like almost a placebo effect of putting it in your mouth. Yeah.

• 1:04:22Bill Simmons?

  I have this era of sports gambling as a wood stage worst just because it's gone.

• 1:04:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:29Bill Simmons?

  Like I'm saying it literally hasn't aged well because it's a completely different era of gambling now. This was the era of having a bookie, 900 lines, over the top advisor shows, nothing being policed.

• 1:04:40Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 1:04:40Bill Simmons?

  You could fix games like this era is like from seven centuries ago now.

• 1:04:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:45Bill Simmons?

  Compared to where we are within 2025.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's not $200 million going through that office. There just isn't like I just, they made it like it was a tech startup.

• 1:04:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I think that we're supposed to intuit that Walter's been lying about all that stuff because he's got so many mortgages out and loan shark notes and stuff like that.

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  How are they collecting?

• 1:05:05Bill Simmons?

  Well, at one point they win one of those bets and the lady has all this money and she's counting the money. It's like, what if people drop the bets off?

• 1:05:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:14Bill Simmons?

  Why do you have all the extra money now?

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  So that's how they do it. You're on a subscription for a year or you do it week to week or you do a $25 call. You don't get a piece of their bet. Imagine trying to track down someone's bet too. Like that was just, you didn't need that part of it.

• 1:05:29Bill Simmons?

  People not realizing back then that John Anthony was Brandon Lang. So I guess this hinges on how famous Brandon Lang was with. If he was like Johnny Manziel level, like a real famous QB.

• 1:05:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:40Bill Simmons?

  Or even Shane footsteps Falco.

• 1:05:44Bill Simmons?

  I think people would be like, yo, Brandon Lang's on that fucking Sunday sports advisor show. This is crazy.

• 1:05:51Chris Ryan?

  I think he's supposed to be what the quarterback for Nevada, right?

• 1:05:55Bill Simmons?

  So you think it's a lower level ball. It's like a mid December bowl game.

• 1:05:58Chris Ryan?

  2000s, I did not know who the quarterback to Nevada, for Nevada.

• 1:06:02Bill Simmons?

  I'm definitely bad on that.

• 1:06:03Speaker 02

  But his name is Link, right? It's Brandon Link.

• 1:06:05Chris Ryan?

  Lane.

• 1:06:06Bill Simmons?

  But the real. In the movie, it's Brandon Lang.

• 1:06:08Chris Ryan?

  The real guy is Link.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yes, okay.

• 1:06:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I didn't, there's a whole based on a true story thing with the real Brandon, but that guy has been debunked in so many different ways. I don't even know if you want to give him the space.

• 1:06:19Chris Ryan?

  I know.

• 1:06:19Bill Simmons?

  This is the ultimate. This is based on a true story.

• 1:06:22Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 1:06:23Bill Simmons?

  I don't know how true a lot of the story was.

• 1:06:25Chris Ryan?

  Like the screenwriter Dan Gilroy like met him once at a golf course, right? That was like, kind of like the where the genesis came from. Okay.

• 1:06:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  You know, Dan Pastorene is the only ex athlete back then I think that I knew that did that, right? Remember the, uh, the, it was, it was it Oilers quarterback Rams also? Pastorene took, he would do these. He was a tout. He was like one, a 900 guy. Yeah. So other than that though, these guys stayed away from that stuff.

• 1:06:50Bill Simmons?

  Um, here's the big woods age, the worst for me. I just don't, I wrote this 20 years ago. I still don't understand it now how we ended up with this title, which I know is a rewatchable's character. I don't know what two for the money means. What does it mean? Does it mean a parlay? Two for the money. What do you think it means?

• 1:07:10Chris Ryan?

  These two guys are in business together?

• 1:07:12Speaker 02

  I think that's it.

• 1:07:12Bill Simmons?

  Two people for the money?

• 1:07:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Isn't it one for the show, two for the money, three? Kind of, isn't that like a saying?

• 1:07:21Speaker 02

  One for the money, two for the, yeah, two for the show, three to get ready.

• 1:07:24Bill Simmons?

  In the column, I had the titles chasing the vig, hot streak and laying wood.

• 1:07:29Chris Ryan?

  Even money line.

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  It's good. Yeah.

• 1:07:31Bill Simmons?

  Money line is good.

• 1:07:32Chris Ryan?

  The spread.

• 1:07:33Speaker 02

  Money grab, money line.

• 1:07:34Bill Simmons?

  Parlay kids.

• 1:07:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:36Bill Simmons?

  Two for the money is just doesn't work.

• 1:07:38Chris Ryan?

  Bean John Anthony.

• 1:07:43Bill Simmons?

  We definitely could have found a different title. Uh, all right. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word? Uh, we come up with a hot take. What do you have CR?

• 1:07:52Chris Ryan?

  It's not that hot. They should remake this movie as a period piece. I think the problem with this movie is that it doesn't imagine a different world. A world where gambling becomes legal, a world where we have it all on our phones and stuff like that. And if you went back and did it as like, this is what the wild west of sports gambling was before it became legal. I think that you would get a lot of the details.

• 1:08:13Bill Simmons?

  Prestige TV.

• 1:08:14Chris Ryan?

  Plus also, I wonder if at this point, the NFL would be like, sure, go ahead, use Marvin Harrison in this. And you could have like real games that people were betting on, which probably would have grounded it more for people.

• 1:08:25Speaker 02

  Oh, I think vandal would have been all over it. I think we would have used real uniforms and real everything.

• 1:08:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:08:31Chris Ryan?

  So I would either go back and be like, back in the day, they were the, they were like the Cowboys on the range of sports gambling, like selling their picks and sometimes selling a dream that would never happen. And you could just do it in a different way. Whereas in the movie here, they're almost taking it for granted that we are like, yeah, of course. The sports advisors.

• 1:08:50Bill Simmons?

  Right. Well, I have an announcement. We, we have sold the movie rights to the Ringer 107.

• 1:08:56Chris Ryan?

  Whoa.

• 1:08:56Bill Simmons?

  It's called two games under 500.

• 1:08:59Chris Ryan?

  For the money?

• 1:08:59Speaker 02

  It's called none for the money.

• 1:09:01Bill Simmons?

  Real life story.

• 1:09:02Speaker 02

  We lose more than we win.

• 1:09:04Bill Simmons?

  Five, five podcasts, all going under 500 during that.

• 1:09:08Chris Ryan?

  So what is the expectation for Ringer 107 that one of you guys would be doing better than this?

• 1:09:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, maybe two, three.

• 1:09:15Bill Simmons?

  We thought somebody was gonna be at like, you know, 60%.

• 1:09:18Chris Ryan?

  Who's winning Ringer 107 right now?

• 1:09:19Speaker 03

  You are.

• 1:09:20Chris Ryan?

  You personally or fantasy?

• 1:09:21Speaker 03

  It's the fantasy show.

• 1:09:22Chris Ryan?

  Who is the driver?

• 1:09:23Speaker 02

  No, isn't it tied now?

• 1:09:24Speaker 03

  Well, we're tied for first and our method is basically what Brandon Lang does at the end of the movie where we just, we're basically flipping coins.

• 1:09:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:32Chris Ryan?

  It's a. Two guys go up to Ringer interns and just like, you pick.

• 1:09:35Speaker 03

  Honestly, yeah.

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  Two for no money. I don't understand that. Like, so like, why did? The, the intern gets to pick it, right? So immediately he's a fraud because everybody knows this. But they're, everybody in the boiler room, he's been, and then he loses 10 in a row after that. Like, why is everyone so connected to him still?

• 1:09:55Chris Ryan?

  I think that it's the idea.

• 1:09:56Bill Simmons?

  Pacino likes him more after he goes.

• 1:09:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:09:59Speaker 03

  Because Pacino likes losing more than winning.

• 1:10:01Chris Ryan?

  Right. He's like, you love that feeling. Yeah.

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:10:04Bill Simmons?

  Do you have a hottest take or do you want me to go?

• 1:10:05Speaker 02

  Uh, no, I, I do. I think, uh, James Baby Doll Dixon as Pacino, right there.

• 1:10:12Bill Simmons?

  As for the remake?

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, for the remake. Do it. Guy, good luck with the Buccaneers. Call me with 50 grand. Wire it to my subordinate, Jonah, or else go fuck yourself.

• 1:10:25Bill Simmons?

  Call me now.

• 1:10:27Speaker 02

  I'm smoking.

• 1:10:29Bill Simmons?

  Baby doesn't gamble.

• 1:10:31Speaker 02

  I know, I know. Vince Wall was my other for, uh, but that was it.

• 1:10:36Bill Simmons?

  Um, listen, I wrote this in that column. I've said it a million times. I'll say it again. I just want one TV show or movie where the guy just wins the whole time and then the movie ends. I don't know why we have to have the, this is, I'm supposed to escape when I watch a movie or a TV show. We always have to do the thing where it starts out great.

• 1:10:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:56Bill Simmons?

  Oh my God, rock bottom.

• 1:10:57Chris Ryan?

  Three hour storytelling.

• 1:10:58Bill Simmons?

  Oh, one more. How about this one where the guy wins for two hours?

• 1:11:02Speaker 02

  It's pretty good. Yeah.

• 1:11:03Bill Simmons?

  Like, we have all these different shows where it's like, we get to escape with, we go on Below Deck, we get to have a vacation for a week.

• 1:11:10Chris Ryan?

  That was kind of happening on Landman with the sun for a minute, where it was just like, I guess this guy's just gonna hit every oil well that he digs.

• 1:11:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, true. Landman is our one hope.

• 1:11:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:20Bill Simmons?

  Uh, I really miss that. I just slick back your hair, start getting winners, and that's it. Let me go for the ride with you. My god, you went 29 and 2. That was amazing. End credits.

• 1:11:33Bill Simmons?

  Now I'm rich. End of movie.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  Maybe there's a sequel, maybe not.

• 1:11:38Bill Simmons?

  Casting what ifs, not a lot here, other than, uh, Russo's husband wrote the movie and wrote it for Russo.

• 1:11:47Chris Ryan?

  Amiciino, right?

• 1:11:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:49Bill Simmons?

  There. Other than that, couldn't find anything. Best that guy award, there's some great candidates here. Brandon Lang's dad in the beginning was one of the bad guys in Roadhouse.

• 1:11:58Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:11:59Bill Simmons?

  He's the one who's like, having sex in a closet, one of the first people Swayze fires, ends up coming back as one of the bad guys.

• 1:12:08Chris Ryan?

  Him and John Doe were in that scene, yeah.

• 1:12:10Bill Simmons?

  Geddy Watanabe is the chauffeur. He's not a that guy, but, uh, you might remember him as, from Sixteen Candles.

• 1:12:18Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:12:19Bill Simmons?

  And from, uh, Gung Ho.

• 1:12:20Chris Ryan?

  For sure.

• 1:12:22Bill Simmons?

  And then, uh, Ralph Garman.

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying. Ralph Garman. This was a big deal.

• 1:12:27Bill Simmons?

  This is, you knew, you knew Ralph Garman.

• 1:12:28Speaker 02

  Jimmy was still at K-Rock, Ralph Garman was the producer at K-Rock, he would do voices, he was great. And, uh, this was a huge deal back then for him and Kevin and Bean Show.

• 1:12:37Chris Ryan?

  How did, do you know anything about how he like wound up in this movie? Was he going out for acting roles?

• 1:12:41Speaker 02

  Mostly voiceover stuff.

• 1:12:43Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:12:43Speaker 02

  And, you know, he talked to the right people. And, uh, no gambling issue or anything.

• 1:12:47Chris Ryan?

  That's incredible.

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  I was jealous.

• 1:12:48Bill Simmons?

  Dionne Waiters, would you go Piven or Chuck Adler?

• 1:12:51Chris Ryan?

  So, I have Piven, but I also have, and I can't remember this character's name, I think it might be Tanya. The woman who...

• 1:12:58Bill Simmons?

  Oh, comes in for one scene.

• 1:12:59Chris Ryan?

  The one who slides, yeah, Tammy, who slides down into McConaughey's lap and was like, Walter wanted you to have a good day.

• 1:13:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, why didn't she come back for another scene?

• 1:13:09Chris Ryan?

  But she certainly does a lot with her one scene.

• 1:13:11Bill Simmons?

  Jamie King might be in there too as the prostitute. I think the winner is Chuck Adler. He's in for two minutes, comes in out of control and hits it.

• 1:13:23Speaker 02

  Stayed very focused, didn't care about any of this other outside stuff between pivot and it was good.

• 1:13:28Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for recasting couch director city?

• 1:13:31Chris Ryan?

  I have the, I have Brandy being played by Edward Norton. So there is a version of this movie that I think is much darker and is much more like a psychosexual thriller about an older guy who's trying to live vicariously through his young puppet and.

• 1:13:46Bill Simmons?

  So it's directed by like Paul Verhoeven?

• 1:13:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, and it's like Michael Douglas and Edward Norton or something. And this winds up being like a much more entertaining movie. But there is like a lot of weird stuff going on in this movie with that. Like even the idea of him turning him into John Anthony.

• 1:14:01Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:02Chris Ryan?

  Which is kind of a porn name and just be like, yeah, you're John Anthony now. Like you're gonna go out with these hookers. It's so, it's so strange.

• 1:14:10Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna sit in a chair while you have sex with my wife. John Anthony.

• 1:14:19Speaker 02

  See, I had something, maybe this is a little off the grid, Tracy Morgan doing McConaughey's character. Guess what I did, Pacino? I got your wife pregnant again?

• 1:14:32Bill Simmons?

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• 1:16:25Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't feel ready.

• 1:16:27Bill Simmons?

  That's a good one. All right, we'll take a break, then we'll do Craig's Flex. Craig, did we take up your Flex?

• 1:16:34Speaker 03

  No, not really. I wanted to point out, so we have the 4chan 3clap award for the most gif-able moment. I think Pacino is the actor gif goat. I think you have Heat, you have The Great Ass, that's a big meme out there. You have Godfather 3, Pull Me Back In is a huge one. You have the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, what a picture. How the hell is I'm Gambling Again not a gif or a meme? That might be his best one ever, that I'm Gambling Again.

• 1:17:02Chris Ryan?

  It's surprising that every time somebody's team starts doing well again, you're just like, I'm back in.

• 1:17:06Speaker 03

  I can't believe it's not a thing.

• 1:17:08Bill Simmons?

  Maybe this podcast will...

• 1:17:10Speaker 03

  We have to start it.

• 1:17:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:12Speaker 03

  It's one of Pacino's best moments.

• 1:17:13Bill Simmons?

  So what award would that be?

• 1:17:14Speaker 03

  It's the most gif-able moment.

• 1:17:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's pretty good.

• 1:17:17Chris Ryan?

  Or it's book about medals. Yeah.

• 1:17:19Speaker 03

  Or book about medals.

• 1:17:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:20Bill Simmons?

  That's pretty good. Did we have in my mailbag last week, I was saying how we were gonna add the Nico Harrison Award for worst decision. Was there a worst decision in this movie?

• 1:17:33Speaker 03

  I mean, letting the intern pick the game, but I guess that worked.

• 1:17:35Chris Ryan?

  Also, Brandon never betting his own bets.

• 1:17:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. Of course, that's it. I gotta, him in the bathroom right before he goes live.

• 1:17:44Chris Ryan?

  He has to panic back.

• 1:17:45Speaker 03

  Papers fucking everywhere is the most stressful shit I've ever seen in my life.

• 1:17:49Chris Ryan?

  I know.

• 1:17:49Speaker 03

  Drenched in sweat, like in the sink, they're all wet. All of his data, oh my god.

• 1:17:54Bill Simmons?

  I have the Nico Harrison Award winner, just quitting on Jerry Sykes. Sykes system had a couple of rough weeks. Like, there were 42 variables and I wouldn't have quit on it.

• 1:18:04Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:18:04Bill Simmons?

  I really put some time in.

• 1:18:05Chris Ryan?

  I'd be very curious to know what, how Sykes did for the rest of the season. And where he winds up.

• 1:18:10Speaker 03

  He hung his own shingle, he had to.

• 1:18:12Chris Ryan?

  Do you think he's like working for the Rockets? You know, like, what is he doing?

• 1:18:15Bill Simmons?

  I think he had like a cup of coffee and the best damn sports show period. Got fired from there. Maybe like another cup of coffee at Yahoo.

• 1:18:24Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:18:25Bill Simmons?

  And then, um.

• 1:18:26Chris Ryan?

  And then, but does he wind up doing like the analytics for like the Buffalo Sabres or something like that? Like, does he, does he wind up ever getting into advanced statistics?

• 1:18:36Bill Simmons?

  Like song conference?

• 1:18:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:38Bill Simmons?

  I think he's one of the guys that goes to the song conference. And hopes he can run into somebody who works for a team and it never happens.

• 1:18:45Speaker 03

  Just looking past everyone.

• 1:18:46Bill Simmons?

  Half ass certain research, the USFL footage, all real. All from the mid 80s. Teams that were in there. The Bandits from Tampa Bay, Boston Breakers. Portland Breakers, Houston Gamblers and the New Orleans team.

• 1:19:03Speaker 03

  Do those guys get paid? Do they get $500?

• 1:19:06Bill Simmons?

  They get residuals, maybe. And then the phone number featured on Walter's show was 1-800-BET ON IT. That was an actual sports tip by service.

• 1:19:14Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:19:14Bill Simmons?

  All right, Apex Mountain. All three stars, no. Jamie King, maybe. I don't know, know what else she was, and she had a moment, this was like Red Tail into the Maxim era, yeah.

• 1:19:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, for movies though, right?

• 1:19:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, for movies, I don't remember her being in a bigger one. Sports gambling movies, probably still The Gambler with Jamie.

• 1:19:33Chris Ryan?

  She was in White Chicks, that might have been bigger. Yeah. And Pearl Harbor.

• 1:19:38Bill Simmons?

  So Pearl Harbor, was there a mix? Sports gambling movies, The Gambler with James Caan? Or The Gambler with Mark Wahlberg?

• 1:19:44Chris Ryan?

  Uh, can we give you both?

• 1:19:46Bill Simmons?

  Or is it, "I'm gambling again!"

• 1:19:50Bill Simmons?

  Getting peed on in Central Park?

• 1:19:52Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, getting pissed on by a gangster in Central Park.

• 1:19:55Bill Simmons?

  One 900 lines in a movie, Sal?

• 1:19:58Speaker 02

  What about it?

• 1:19:59Bill Simmons?

  Did we have a better?

• 1:20:01Chris Ryan?

  When is there, I mean, was Whoopi Goldberg, did she have a 900 number in Ghost?

• 1:20:04Bill Simmons?

  No, Reality Bites, it was a big part of Reality Bites for like 15 minutes. We're known runner kept calling.

• 1:20:10Chris Ryan?

  I think this might have been.

• 1:20:11Bill Simmons?

  A lot of 900 stuff.

• 1:20:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:13Bill Simmons?

  What was, what 900 number did you call the most?

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  Um, well, my father had his business pay for his phone. He would work from home like once a week and it was, uh, it was huge that they paid for the phone. And I would call like Georgia Championship Wrestling. I would call like, uh, Titan Sports. I remember talking to Lord Alfred Hayes. And then I would call 976-1313 to get sports, all the sports news instantly. And then, then there was some 976 numbers that I'm not proud of that I would call too.

• 1:20:41Bill Simmons?

  Yes. When I was working at the Herald, one of the grunt jobs for like the lowest level of people, which obviously I had, was, um, answering the phones. And a lot of the times it was people calling in high school games. So it'd be like, "Situate 42, Swamp Scott 24." Like, "All right, thanks." But then some people would call in and asking for like scores for NBA games.

• 1:21:04Chris Ryan?

  Would you give them to them?

• 1:21:05Bill Simmons?

  Sometimes, yeah.

• 1:21:06Chris Ryan?

  Would you charge them?

• 1:21:07Bill Simmons?

  "Hey, do you have a Knicks Sixers score?" And be like, "Yeah, yeah, they won 108, 100." "All right, thank you." And then hang up.

• 1:21:13Chris Ryan?

  You know what though? That sounds like a pretty good job.

• 1:21:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it was, it wasn't bad.

• 1:21:18Speaker 02

  I would call, I would call, um, the daily news, the front desk, the, the sports, uh, desk. And because like, you know, when we did fantasy, I would run these fantasy leagues. And if there was a Monday night game, you wouldn't get it until Wednesday. And so if a buddy and I were in a close game, I'd want to know Tuesday. So I'd call, I'm like, "Hey, can you tell me Mark Duper, how many receiving yards?" And like,

• 1:21:40Speaker 03

  Four receptions, 77 yards. I'm busy, kid. I'm like, okay. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Can you just tell me if you ran the ball? Did you run the ball too? It's like, I'm not doing it. And they'd hang up instantly. So.

• 1:21:48Bill Simmons?

  We have to explain this to Craig, who hosts.

• 1:21:50Chris Ryan?

  No, I think we just had a better country where people would just call the newspaper. Like, people used to call my dad's office at the Inquirer or my dad's desk and be like, what time is Phantom Menace playing at the Chestnut Street movie theater? And he would sometimes be like, three, you know, like.

• 1:22:04Bill Simmons?

  You didn't have a lot going on. So you'd be like, all right, I'll answer this. So on the East Coast, USA Today, the Monday edition, heading or the Tuesday edition, most of the time wouldn't have the Monday score. So you'd have these fantasy leagues hanging in the balance and we'd have no idea what the box score was until Wednesday. And then somebody would have to then finish the scores and either call us and tell you the scores or mail them out. But you'd have to wait till the Wednesday, USA Today to even know what happened on Monday.

• 1:22:35Speaker 03

  That's past waivers. How does that even work?

• 1:22:37Chris Ryan?

  Well, they didn't have Thursday night games back then.

• 1:22:39Speaker 02

  You're right. There were no waivers.

• 1:22:40Chris Ryan?

  It's a little bit easier.

• 1:22:41Bill Simmons?

  We only had trades.

• 1:22:42Speaker 03

  Should we start the fantasy advisors now and we just advise rich people's fantasy leagues? And we take 20% of their winnings, but no fee upfront?

• 1:22:50Chris Ryan?

  You're basically talking about here is go back to like blind fantasy. So like it's fantasy with no stats, no immediate statistics. So it's just faith in your team.

• 1:22:59Bill Simmons?

  You don't even know until you get an email.

• 1:23:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. And you don't find out until Tuesday whether you want.

• 1:23:03Speaker 03

  I mean, we drafted our fantasy league with no technology. Maybe that's what we do next year.

• 1:23:07Speaker 02

  Sure. It was fine.

• 1:23:09Bill Simmons?

  I gotta be honest, I'd be much happier if I didn't know until Wednesday. I were in the, our knockout league, I was going against Wondell Robinson yesterday, who immediately had like 18 points. And I was so fucking bummed out. It was like 10 oh, 10 oh nine.

• 1:23:25Chris Ryan?

  I just miss the idea of like not immediately like declining any phone number I don't know. You know, like, which is what you do now, but like, it would be just be fun if like somebody was just calling you and be like, hey, what's, what's that dolphin score?

• 1:23:36Speaker 03

  Well, I actually kind of hate checking my fantasy score throughout Sunday. I almost wish I couldn't, you know, when you.

• 1:23:41Bill Simmons?

  That's what I mean.

• 1:23:41Chris Ryan?

  That's what I'm saying is let's go air log.

• 1:23:43Speaker 03

  It is kind of nice.

• 1:23:44Speaker 02

  Now you get alerts that you don't even want. It's bad.

• 1:23:47Bill Simmons?

  Uh, more Apex Mountain.

• 1:23:52Bill Simmons?

  Movies that play You're Nobody Till Somebody Loves You, the Dean Martin song. I think it's probably swingers for this. But it's been in a few. Piven? I think you could make a case Apex right here. It's between Entourage, season one and season two. He's in this movie. The career's taken off.

• 1:24:12Bill Simmons?

  I think like he's a big thing in Hollywood. I think it's probably.

• 1:24:14Chris Ryan?

  He won Emmys, right? For Ari Gold?

• 1:24:16Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:24:17Speaker 02

  He's done hair restoration commercials like in the last three years.

• 1:24:21Bill Simmons?

  Movies with USFL footage?

• 1:24:24Bill Simmons?

  It's been a lot of them.

• 1:24:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:26Bill Simmons?

  This probably leaned on the most. This is my favorite for Apex Mountain. Movies with Pacino as a cuck.

• 1:24:35Bill Simmons?

  Still Heat, right?

• 1:24:37Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah, cuz he comes home and he finds a guy watching his TV. Is it Roy? No.

• 1:24:45Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 1:24:45Chris Ryan?

  What's Dan? Fuck.

• 1:24:47Speaker 02

  It's not Donnie Brasco? That's close.

• 1:24:50Bill Simmons?

  See, cuck in Donnie Brasco?

• 1:24:52Speaker 02

  I mean, just like.

• 1:24:54Bill Simmons?

  You're not getting my TV.

• 1:24:58Bill Simmons?

  Walter? Was this the guy's name Walter in Heat?

• 1:25:01Chris Ryan?

  Ralph.

• 1:25:02Bill Simmons?

  Ralph.

• 1:25:02Chris Ryan?

  Right. Ralph.

• 1:25:04Bill Simmons?

  You cannot watch my television!

• 1:25:09Bill Simmons?

  Cruiser Hanks. It's obviously.

• 1:25:11Chris Ryan?

  Oh, wait, I had one more Apex Mountain.

• 1:25:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, what is it?

• 1:25:13Chris Ryan?

  I'm sorry. Is Brandon Lang Apex Mountain for fictional football players plagued by injuries?

• 1:25:23Chris Ryan?

  So, an injury derails a fictional football player's career. It could be Jason Street.

• 1:25:28Bill Simmons?

  Jason Street.

• 1:25:29Chris Ryan?

  Johnny Utah.

• 1:25:30Bill Simmons?

  I was, I had Utah when you posited the question.

• 1:25:33Chris Ryan?

  Joe Pendleton. Jimmy Dix. Paul Crew, kind of more of like.

• 1:25:38Bill Simmons?

  Jimmy Dix was last Boy Scout. What was his injury?

• 1:25:41Chris Ryan?

  He just, his pills and I think, yeah, a bunch of other stuff.

• 1:25:46Bill Simmons?

  Isn't it Johnny Utah?

• 1:25:48Chris Ryan?

  I guess so.

• 1:25:49Bill Simmons?

  He seemed like he was headed to be like a top 10.

• 1:25:51Chris Ryan?

  Right. He's, he's, he played for Ohio.

• 1:25:54Bill Simmons?

  All the fucking surfers, yeah, all the surfers recognized him. Like, he seemed like he was like legit famous.

• 1:26:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that's like when they're like, holy shit. Shit Johnny fucking Utah, my bad man.

• 1:26:03Speaker 02

  Jason Street though was top.

• 1:26:05Chris Ryan?

  He was going to Notre Dame.

• 1:26:06Speaker 02

  All American, right?

• 1:26:07Bill Simmons?

  Jay would have been like a div one, I mean Johnny Utah did it.

• 1:26:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:26:12Bill Simmons?

  Johnny Utah was already where Jason Street's best case scenario was.

• 1:26:15Chris Ryan?

  Johnny Utah was as a prospect coming out of high school, that's all I'm saying. Jason Street.

• 1:26:20Speaker 02

  What's the matter with you?

• 1:26:20Chris Ryan?

  Was going straight, like that was like, he was going to Notre Dame, you know?

• 1:26:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, maybe don't throw that pick and then try to tackle the guy dumbass.

• 1:26:30Bill Simmons?

  Cruiser Hanks. This is the most cruisy cruise performance in a while.

• 1:26:37Bill Simmons?

  I'm trying to figure out where would he have run in this movie, like away from Armand Asante?

• 1:26:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, running through the uh.

• 1:26:42Bill Simmons?

  Central Park?

• 1:26:42Chris Ryan?

  Running through Central Park or running to get out of like, running through the airport at some point.

• 1:26:46Speaker 02

  A Brooklyn Bridge run would have been cool.

• 1:26:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. You're right.

• 1:26:49Bill Simmons?

  Oh, McConaughey does jog in this movie a couple of times. Cruz would have loved that.

• 1:26:52Chris Ryan?

  A lot of mountain bikers.

• 1:26:53Bill Simmons?

  Cruz is getting trained in jogging by Steve Prefontaine's uncle.

• 1:26:58Speaker 02

  He could have jogged around the hookers table maybe a few times, yeah, before he settled.

• 1:27:01Bill Simmons?

  Scorsese or Spielberg, this one's pretty easy.

• 1:27:04Speaker 02

  Scorsese.

• 1:27:05Bill Simmons?

  This is a pretty interesting Scorsese movie.

• 1:27:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:09Bill Simmons?

  What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played?

• 1:27:12Chris Ryan?

  A diff- a different version of the Armand Asante character, Novian.

• 1:27:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, you could talk me into Walter too.

• 1:27:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:18Bill Simmons?

  Older Philip Seymour Hoffman.

• 1:27:19Speaker 02

  One of those guys.

• 1:27:20Bill Simmons?

  Picket Nets, I have a slew of them, so if you guys want to go, I'll save mine for the end. What do you got, Sam?

• 1:27:27Speaker 02

  Uh, I mean. The over under on the Super Bowl's thirty six?

• 1:27:32Bill Simmons?

  So I looked this up, there were four that were lower than that, including our favorite Super Bowl Ravens Giants.

• 1:27:37Speaker 02

  Oh four.

• 1:27:38Bill Simmons?

  It's thirty three.

• 1:27:40Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:27:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:41Speaker 02

  Really? Thirty three?

• 1:27:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:43Speaker 02

  I looked it up from two thousand five on, the lowest was forty three.

• 1:27:48Bill Simmons?

  But that football changed.

• 1:27:49Speaker 02

  Two thousand four. Well, that, oh four was yours, I think it was like thirty five, thirty six, but I think that could have made that a little higher.

• 1:27:56Bill Simmons?

  It did jump out at me though.

• 1:27:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, a lot, the other thing is, the one trend they use is like Kansas City is six and one against division opponents coming off a Monday night. It's like, whatever it was, it would have spanned the decade. I don't know why anybody would have fallen for that, but yeah, just a little, a million little things like that.

• 1:28:14Chris Ryan?

  Uh, Walter just spends a tremendous amount of time and money surveilling Brandon and like, maybe he should have just concentrated more on.

• 1:28:20Bill Simmons?

  On the picks?

• 1:28:21Chris Ryan?

  On the picks, yeah.

• 1:28:22Bill Simmons?

  I had that as well. Walter, who doesn't seem to own anything and was going bankrupt, but was able to spend 5K on a hooker and another 2K on dinner to give Brandon more confidence.

• 1:28:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:33Bill Simmons?

  Brandon played quarterback in college. He's fine.

• 1:28:35Chris Ryan?

  Renting an elephant, buying a camcorder.

• 1:28:39Bill Simmons?

  Suits.

• 1:28:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, Cartier jewelry.

• 1:28:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he's just got money. That didn't add up either.

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  One more, sorry.

• 1:28:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:47Speaker 02

  Okay, bear with me here because there's a lot of crazy shit, but there's one great pick, right? He's got one great pick in him a week and he goes to, he's going to Puerto Rico. He's going to give it to that guy because that guy's going to give him however.

• 1:29:00Chris Ryan?

  250K upfront.

• 1:29:02Speaker 02

  He wants 250K.

• 1:29:03Chris Ryan?

  And then what is it 10% of his winnings?

• 1:29:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:29:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:07Speaker 02

  Why, what is the point of giving him 250,000 if the thousand dollar play, player is getting the same pick?

• 1:29:14Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 1:29:14Speaker 02

  Just find that guy, put him on the street, have him call Brandon and that's that. I don't know. Right?

• 1:29:23Bill Simmons?

  I do like, should we start doing pick of the years? House and I did that once when we weren't doing well in Ringer 107. We had a game, it was our favorite game of the year. We went all in on it. We're like, this is our game and it actually won.

• 1:29:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but you should do it for like Hornets Pistons.

• 1:29:39Speaker 02

  This is my NBA central division.

• 1:29:42Bill Simmons?

  They can't match up with Canipco. I've run my psych system.

• 1:29:45Speaker 02

  But they do, they fraction it. It's afternoon game in the central division of the year, you know?

• 1:29:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:50Speaker 02

  You can, you can end up having a thousand.

• 1:29:51Chris Ryan?

  This is a knit slash question. I think they mentioned baseball briefly, but like, what do these guys do for the other six months of the year? Are they betting basketball?

• 1:30:00Bill Simmons?

  There's no basketball at all.

• 1:30:02Chris Ryan?

  Are they betting Dodgers games like?

• 1:30:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, they're doing this in October. The World Series is happening. There's no college football or there is, but they don't really talk about it ever.

• 1:30:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:30:12Chris Ryan?

  Well, Brandon comes from college football.

• 1:30:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:14Chris Ryan?

  But then like he's, I think he bet college football for a while before he goes to the pros. But I just don't understand, like after February, do these guys just go to Barbados and like hang out until, until training camp?

• 1:30:26Speaker 02

  No, it's the same. This is actually big for soccer picks too.

• 1:30:29Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah. That's right. Brandon's getting on.

• 1:30:32Bill Simmons?

  If Sal was the gambling advisor, he would have been like, there's not nearly enough tennis right now. November is huge in Asia. There's a lot of satellite tournaments. Uh, my picking nits include. Brandon's TD run in college, when he gets hurt at the end when he does the spin move.

• 1:30:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:48Bill Simmons?

  It's amazing block in the back, doesn't get called. One of the line men, you watch it again. Like, it's just.

• 1:30:53Chris Ryan?

  It's Mountain West.

• 1:30:54Bill Simmons?

  Can't believe they missed it.

• 1:30:56Chris Ryan?

  Mid, mid aughts, you know?

• 1:30:57Bill Simmons?

  Mentioned his reasons for liking Tampa over Oakland at the sportsbook were basically Brown only likes to catch the ball over his left shoulder and Gannon will throw three to four interceptions because of how they use their linebackers. That was it. But he did tap into the coach going against the world team thing. Why didn't he just say that, Sal?

• 1:31:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, right.

• 1:31:19Bill Simmons?

  Nothing I love more than a coach going against, he knows all their weaknesses and strengths.

• 1:31:24Chris Ryan?

  But what's the chances that Brandon's the only guy who noticed that?

• 1:31:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Brandon's like giving bets.

• 1:31:28Speaker 02

  The guy behind the counter who's taking thousands of bets a day is like, oh, man, you're right. You're right. How did we never think of this?

• 1:31:34Bill Simmons?

  John Gruden coached the Raiders. Why didn't Brandon just bet on his own games? He's in Vegas.

• 1:31:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:42Bill Simmons?

  You're winning all the time.

• 1:31:43Chris Ryan?

  He's living with his mom and his brother. His brother apparently stole a Thunderbird and is like souping it up. Yeah.

• 1:31:50Speaker 02

  You have Gray's Sports Almanac. Do you sell the picks?

• 1:31:52Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 1:31:53Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:31:53Bill Simmons?

  The cousin, maybe the, maybe the brother needed to be like a little more in dire straits.

• 1:31:59Chris Ryan?

  I kind of wonder whether there's more family stuff that got cut out because like the dad, the whole dad scene in the beginning, you'd think.

• 1:32:05Speaker 02

  Set something up.

• 1:32:06Chris Ryan?

  That, that they were going to bring him back in and he's calling Brandon.

• 1:32:09Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:32:10Bill Simmons?

  I don't know why John Anthony needs a fancy car in New York City. I'm just going to mention that.

• 1:32:14Chris Ryan?

  Also, there's never any traffic when John Anthony is driving.

• 1:32:17Bill Simmons?

  Never. John Anthony goes 12 for 12 at one point.

• 1:32:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:23Bill Simmons?

  That would be like one of the great flukes of all time. Nobody's ever gone 12 for 12, I don't think.

• 1:32:30Speaker 02

  ESPN wouldn't report it, but yeah, that would be very big.

• 1:32:33Bill Simmons?

  We didn't talk about Amir, who.

• 1:32:35Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:32:35Bill Simmons?

  Doesn't really want to bet and then starts betting and then we see him and he's got a Ferrari and girls. I don't know. Just a big, uh, classic movie device, but then he loses 380,000 in one weekend.

• 1:32:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:47Bill Simmons?

  He's like, what? Why is he taking that bet? Who's taking a $380,000 NFL bet?

• 1:32:54Speaker 02

  He's a dry cleaner, yeah.

• 1:32:55Bill Simmons?

  Who, who is he connected to? Who's just like, yeah, I can carry that?

• 1:32:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. So what was his record? I feel like he was like 60 and four before he went on the losing streak.

• 1:33:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I should add it up.

• 1:33:05Speaker 02

  And no one, no one made enough money to, to bail themselves out of a future loss? Yeah. They only bet on the last one every time?

• 1:33:11Chris Ryan?

  No, Brandon, and Brandon got some mirror after he's been hot in Vegas. So.

• 1:33:15Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:33:16Chris Ryan?

  I think he has like two good weeks or three good weeks. And then that's when he starts.

• 1:33:20Speaker 02

  And then tanks.

• 1:33:21Chris Ryan?

  Whenever it is that Walter is like, you're gonna have to rip the money out of my talons.

• 1:33:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:33:26Chris Ryan?

  That's when Brandon starts going.

• 1:33:28Bill Simmons?

  So was, I don't know if this is nitpick or I'm Nancy World, but was Brandon a prodigy or wasn't he?

• 1:33:34Chris Ryan?

  I think he had a hot streak.

• 1:33:35Bill Simmons?

  Or was he just the guy that got hot for a while?

• 1:33:36Speaker 02

  He was hot.

• 1:33:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:37Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 1:33:37Chris Ryan?

  I think he just got hot for a couple of weeks.

• 1:33:39Bill Simmons?

  And then my last one, we mentioned it before, but that move where you go from 100 to 50 to 25 and you keep. Why weren't they just doing this in the movie? It's such an interesting strategy. Like he could have laid that out. And it's like, here's the science of what we do. We get a thousand people, we narrow that down and by the end of the day that we have 100 and those, those are the whales.

• 1:34:00Chris Ryan?

  No, and that would have been the cool thing is that Brandon comes along and he's like, no, that's not what we're gonna do.

• 1:34:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, we're just gonna win.

• 1:34:06Chris Ryan?

  We're gonna do pure picks.

• 1:34:07Speaker 02

  Exactly. He's like, this is what these guys do.

• 1:34:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:09Speaker 02

  What I want you to do is be you, you know?

• 1:34:11Bill Simmons?

  Sequel, prequel, prestige, TBL, Black Cast, or Untouchable? I like the prestige going backwards like a madman. I think you were onto something with that one, CR.

• 1:34:19Chris Ryan?

  Uh, there's definitely just a, a Brandon as a rising college OC movie sequel.

• 1:34:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:26Chris Ryan?

  Like, because he ends the movie coaching kids football, but just watching him go up the ranks.

• 1:34:31Bill Simmons?

  So McConaughey comes back.

• 1:34:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:33Bill Simmons?

  Maybe after We Are Marshall, he didn't want to pursue that. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Mad Dog Russo, Doris Burke, Buffalo Bill, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm?

• 1:34:46Chris Ryan?

  Walter is doing Byron Mayo in this movie. He's just like, Brandon, Tony, while the cats are away in a mice will play.

• 1:34:58Speaker 02

  I think Mad Dog.

• 1:34:59Bill Simmons?

  Mad Dog.

• 1:35:00Speaker 02

  Mad Dog screaming it, yeah. Well, yo, I don't tell me about Texans, Jags. If that was playing in my backyard, I wouldn't draw the blinds. What?

• 1:35:09Chris Ryan?

  Tampa Bay here.

• 1:35:16Bill Simmons?

  Jamegum being involved, I think would have been good. Buffalo Bill.

• 1:35:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:22Bill Simmons?

  Tampa, Oakland. Just want to ask her, who gets it? Pacino, best supporting? I don't know.

• 1:35:29Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 1:35:30Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 1:35:32Chris Ryan?

  I have a probably an answerable question.

• 1:35:33Bill Simmons?

  Let's hear it.

• 1:35:34Chris Ryan?

  For you guys. Is Monday Night Football's popularity really based on the gambling losses of betters from the weekend?

• 1:35:43Speaker 02

  See, I always thought it was Sunday night because there wasn't Sunday Night Football, right? And then there was, and they're like, oh, we may, they may have stumbled upon it, but I think Sunday's when you lose. Monday is when typically the book, bookies collect Monday morning.

• 1:35:56Chris Ryan?

  Okay, so you're not trying to like one last bet before.

• 1:36:00Speaker 02

  Right, one last bet, I think it's Sunday night. Right.

• 1:36:02Bill Simmons?

  I think Sunday night is the chase because it's fresh off, you're not thinking rationally.

• 1:36:07Chris Ryan?

  You've just watched Eagles Cowboys.

• 1:36:08Bill Simmons?

  Just ended.

• 1:36:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:09Bill Simmons?

  You're like, I, I, the Eagles were up 20 or nothing and somebody lost that, ah, ah, I'm gonna tease the Rams in the over.

• 1:36:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:17Bill Simmons?

  You just go, did that cover it, by the way, Rams in the over, 34 to 7?

• 1:36:21Chris Ryan?

  34 to 7.

• 1:36:22Bill Simmons?

  That tease, that probably covered.

• 1:36:23Chris Ryan?

  Yep.

• 1:36:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, Saturday is Monday.

• 1:36:26Bill Simmons?

  Monday is like, you're spending the morning trying to figure out if you have enough finances to make it or whether you should join the Navy or.

• 1:36:34Chris Ryan?

  Or take out a third mortgage.

• 1:36:35Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Yeah, that's on Monday.

• 1:36:37Speaker 02

  It is funny because.

• 1:36:38Bill Simmons?

  What happened to Brad?

• 1:36:39Speaker 02

  Our friend Brad, I was just gonna say, told the story, he lost the Monday night game and didn't even stick around to try to, uh, well, because the boat was leaving Wednesday, I think, so he took off.

• 1:36:48Chris Ryan?

  Are you serious?

• 1:36:48Speaker 02

  He joined the Navy for three years to avoid a bookie.

• 1:36:51Bill Simmons?

  You didn't know this story?

• 1:36:52Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:36:52Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:36:53Bill Simmons?

  Tell the story quick because it's that, it's been, we do it on my podcast, but not on the rewatch.

• 1:36:58Speaker 02

  I don't know the exact numbers.

• 1:36:59Bill Simmons?

  Tamara Vanover.

• 1:36:59Speaker 02

  Tamara Vanover, they, they were.

• 1:37:02Chris Ryan?

  The Florida State guy?

• 1:37:03Speaker 02

  Getting for.

• 1:37:04Bill Simmons?

  It was on the Chiefs.

• 1:37:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was on the Chiefs, getting for. Up seven with two minutes left and the ball. And somehow there was a punt return to tie it. And then in overtime, uh, he lost by six.

• 1:37:16Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:37:17Speaker 02

  I don't know the other specifics of the players. The way he tells it is so much better. And then like he owed like, that was a double up game.

• 1:37:23Bill Simmons?

  I think it was a kick return touchdown in overtime to lose the game.

• 1:37:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:27Bill Simmons?

  By Vanover.

• 1:37:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:37:29Bill Simmons?

  And he had it. He thought it was done. Thought it was a wrap.

• 1:37:33Chris Ryan?

  Getting four, winning.

• 1:37:33Bill Simmons?

  By the way, when, how many times has a kick return end a game? I mean, it's probably less than 10 times. So he loses and he disappears. He joins the Navy.

• 1:37:42Speaker 02

  How much was he down?

• 1:37:43Chris Ryan?

  I think it was like $4,000. But when you don't have it, I, you know, whatever.

• 1:37:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. He, he Ponzi schemed it.

• 1:37:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:51Bill Simmons?

  Lost, lost and put everything like to try to win it back. Ninety three, ninety four range, right?

• 1:37:57Chris Ryan?

  Yep.

• 1:37:59Bill Simmons?

  Disappeared for three years.

• 1:38:00Chris Ryan?

  Mm hmm. Holy crap.

• 1:38:02Speaker 02

  Not worth it.

• 1:38:05Speaker 02

  Thousand ninety six days, thousand ninety six days, Randy, on that boat. And now we're shell shocked anytime fireworks go off. It's a great trade off.

• 1:38:16Bill Simmons?

  The Vanover game worn jersey is not a good gift for Brad.

• 1:38:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:20Bill Simmons?

  Would you give that to him for Christmas? I love it, Randy.

• 1:38:24Chris Ryan?

  How quickly can you join the Navy though? Like, doesn't it take, like, you just show up the next day?

• 1:38:28Bill Simmons?

  Thirty six hours.

• 1:38:29Speaker 02

  You had to set it up.

• 1:38:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:31Chris Ryan?

  They let anybody in?

• 1:38:32Bill Simmons?

  If the bet lost, he was joining the Navy.

• 1:38:36Bill Simmons?

  My probably an answerable question is Pacino, the number one draft pick for the movie cook draft? For guys you'd want to play the cook. He's just so good at it.

• 1:38:47Chris Ryan?

  So who's, who's in the lottery here?

• 1:38:49Bill Simmons?

  I don't know. I'm trying to think of other people that would be in there. Is Hackman?

• 1:38:53Chris Ryan?

  Michael Douglas.

• 1:38:56Chris Ryan?

  I just think cause he had, he seeds so much like weird sexual like anxiety.

• 1:39:01Bill Simmons?

  Gear did it in the Diane Lane movie where

• 1:39:04Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 1:39:04Bill Simmons?

  Gear goes and kills the guy with the Christmas globe.

• 1:39:06Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 1:39:07Bill Simmons?

  We did that one on Rewatch.

• 1:39:08Chris Ryan?

  Unfaithful.

• 1:39:09Bill Simmons?

  Unfaithful. Yeah, we did that one. It's a great one. I don't know the answer.

• 1:39:14Speaker 02

  I have one too. Well, the sunglasses indoors.

• 1:39:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:18Speaker 02

  That's in his contract. That's good.

• 1:39:20Chris Ryan?

  And it's the Oakley wraparounds too. That's the best part.

• 1:39:23Speaker 02

  They're really good. How much did John Anthony earn? Did we figure out how much he made?

• 1:39:29Speaker 03

  10% of the winnings?

• 1:39:31Bill Simmons?

  But he wanted 10%. Came late.

• 1:39:33Speaker 02

  He wanted 10%.

• 1:39:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he only gets a 100 grand or 200 grand from like multiple million dollar wins.

• 1:39:40Speaker 03

  It was a $2 million win and he got 100 grand.

• 1:39:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:43Speaker 03

  So it was 5%.

• 1:39:44Speaker 02

  That's 5%.

• 1:39:45Speaker 03

  And he wanted 10%.

• 1:39:45Speaker 02

  But over the week, so you think he made 150 grand for this whole thing? More, right? It's gotta be a little more.

• 1:39:52Bill Simmons?

  I don't know.

• 1:39:53Chris Ryan?

  I think it's just like everything else. It's like everything is on credit. You know what I mean? Like I think his apartment is paid for by Walter, the girls are paid for by Walter, Walter's.

• 1:40:02Bill Simmons?

  Sounds great.

• 1:40:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:03Bill Simmons?

  It's like Sal's dream job.

• 1:40:05Speaker 02

  Sign me up.

• 1:40:05Bill Simmons?

  Sal waited the entire 90s for this.

• 1:40:07Chris Ryan?

  You can pay me 65,000, but if you gotta get everything else.

• 1:40:10Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 1:40:11Speaker 02

  And he did have sex with her, he didn't?

• 1:40:14Bill Simmons?

  With Rene Russo?

• 1:40:14Chris Ryan?

  No, they set up Walter. They do like a fake little kiss and then it's like.

• 1:40:19Speaker 02

  I know, I know that's the story.

• 1:40:20Speaker 03

  What does Walter want? He's like kinda setting up McConaughey to have sex with his wife, but then he spies on him from the brain.

• 1:40:27Chris Ryan?

  This is the part of the movie that's actually pretty interesting is this old guy getting kind of obsessed with like the sexual vitality of.

• 1:40:33Speaker 03

  He's the sexual lemon.

• 1:40:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he is a sex lemon.

• 1:40:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:36Chris Ryan?

  And he's betting her, he's gambling her.

• 1:40:39Bill Simmons?

  See, this is when you've watched a movie for 20 years straight.

• 1:40:42Speaker 03

  Honestly.

• 1:40:42Bill Simmons?

  These are the kind of things you start picking up.

• 1:40:44Speaker 03

  The rush is him wondering if McConaughey's gonna have sex with his wife.

• 1:40:48Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:40:48Speaker 03

  That's the rush.

• 1:40:49Chris Ryan?

  That's why it's so odd when you're watching it and you're like, wait, why is the end of this movie all about whether or not like Walter and Tony stay together? But if you go back and watch it that way, the entire movie is about Walter like replacing himself with Brandon.

• 1:41:05Bill Simmons?

  So maybe a problem in Ants Bros. If they had Viagra in 2005.

• 1:41:09Chris Ryan?

  He's just completely unnecessary. Yeah.

• 1:41:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:12Bill Simmons?

  He's like, my, my cock is a rocket ship right now. I can cut diamonds.

• 1:41:19Bill Simmons?

  What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie, Sal?

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  There's so much. I guess the, the, the car he's gonna drive, I'm not gonna go with that.

• 1:41:30Speaker 03

  I'm gonna go Jeremy Piven's hair.

• 1:41:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:33Speaker 03

  I really love it. If I had it.

• 1:41:35Bill Simmons?

  Just put it on?

• 1:41:36Speaker 03

  I'd wear it every Sunday night on Guess the Lines.

• 1:41:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:38Speaker 03

  I think it'd be terrific.

• 1:41:39Chris Ryan?

  I'd, same thing, I'd do algorithm, psych system algorithm.

• 1:41:42Bill Simmons?

  Psych system, the book?

• 1:41:43Chris Ryan?

  I'd love to get the, what he was looking at.

• 1:41:46Bill Simmons?

  I'd go game worn McConaughey Sun Devil's jersey from opening scene. And maybe with the hair extensions.

• 1:41:52Speaker 03

  That's good.

• 1:41:53Bill Simmons?

  Coach Finstock wore a best life lesson. Modesty is not a virtue, it might be a vice. Great. Hot streaks go cold, cold streaks go hot.

• 1:42:04Bill Simmons?

  Should we start saying that?

• 1:42:05Speaker 03

  I think we should.

• 1:42:06Chris Ryan?

  I think the life lesson is just the speech he gives in the Gambling Anonymous.

• 1:42:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, the lemon speech. What's your double feature choice, CR?

• 1:42:14Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I would probably go Rounders.

• 1:42:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:17Chris Ryan?

  Now, after you mentioned it, because that's, it's basically like, even the way it opens with the voiceover and stuff like that, like, it just feels very.

• 1:42:25Speaker 03

  That's what I.

• 1:42:25Chris Ryan?

  Of a piece.

• 1:42:26Bill Simmons?

  I had Devil's Advocate.

• 1:42:28Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:42:28Bill Simmons?

  I would watch that first, followed up with Two for the Money.

• 1:42:31Chris Ryan?

  Imagine Walter is Satan?

• 1:42:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:34Bill Simmons?

  Who won the movie?

• 1:42:34Chris Ryan?

  Pacino.

• 1:42:36Bill Simmons?

  Pacino. I had McConaughey.

• 1:42:37Chris Ryan?

  Nice.

• 1:42:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think McConaughey, because it, it pivoted his arc, right? Could do serious movies after this?

• 1:42:45Bill Simmons?

  Not really.

• 1:42:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he had a couple more bad years after this. But Pacino, this is like, really right in the sweet spot of like, it's super fun and hammy, but it's also like, an actually pretty good character and pretty good performance.

• 1:42:55Bill Simmons?

  He won it for Ebert, too. Who, who won the movie for you, Craig?

• 1:42:58Speaker 03

  Pacino. The movie goes from fine to entertaining and rewatchable because of Pacino. Like, if it was just another actor doing something, I don't know if he'd revisit it as much. But like, like we said, Pacino is the gift goat, like, half the things he's doing in this movie are hilarious.

• 1:43:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, like the fake heart attack in the airport?

• 1:43:15Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, he might be right. Hebrew national dad's penis, like.

• 1:43:20Speaker 03

  That's what keeps you coming back. Th- this movie, th- this show, I actu- uh, this sounds insane to say, but like, I get why this show's called The Rewatchables. Because upon first watch, I was like, you know, and then even just kind of going back and watching clips like yesterday before we did this, I'm like, you know what? I'm starting to like this movie a little bit more. It is something that you just kind of want to throw.

• 1:43:38Chris Ryan?

  I think I thought of this movie as basically a joke for 10 years.

• 1:43:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:43:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:42Chris Ryan?

  And then I was like, you know what? That movie's actually pretty good. And now it's like, it's, I, I barely needed to rewatch it for this.

• 1:43:48Speaker 03

  I think McConaughey and Pacino have really good chemistry. I, I wish you. I like the old versus young pairing together. You know, if you remade this now, they should do McConaughey and Glenn Powell. Like, I like seeing the, the old guard and the young guard mixing together as one is leaving their prime and the other one is entering it.

• 1:44:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:04Speaker 03

  It's such a great combo in movies.

• 1:44:05Bill Simmons?

  The premise is outrageous and yet they made it work. It really is outrageous. They, they, it was a two hour movie for something we knew the whole time. It's luck. Might as well flip a coin. Oh, he did flip a coin. Look at that.

• 1:44:18Chris Ryan?

  I wonder if it would have been a much more popular or beloved movie if it was just about sports gambling. If it was just about sports betters. And he was like, we have a, we have a syndicate or like, we pool our money to bet games together. But then this guy comes in and he's like the big dog and I, and like, I wonder if the sports advisors touting thing made people like not understand it.

• 1:44:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. It also could have been a lot bigger. I mean, there's like a tiny Wolf of Wall Street feeling to it when it's, everything starts working and you're in the office and everything's a little crazed. But it's, it's, the movie stays small. They never really leave Brooklyn Heights.

• 1:44:50Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:44:50Speaker 03

  They could have gotten bigger and the parties could have been crazy. They never really like dabbled in that, but that, that was an angle to go.

• 1:44:56Chris Ryan?

  That is actually the piece of memorabilia is the townhouse.

• 1:45:00Speaker 03

  Amazing.

• 1:45:00Chris Ryan?

  That would have been awesome to have like an office in the house. Like, you know, you got the second floor. Everybody's watching the games and stuff.

• 1:45:05Bill Simmons?

  I still think if this movie came out like in early March, I think it would have done really well. I'm always confused when they open movies like this during weeks when people like us would never go to the movies.

• 1:45:16Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:45:16Bill Simmons?

  Like, like on Saturday and Sunday, Sal's watching football. He's not going to see two for the money.

• 1:45:22Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 1:45:22Bill Simmons?

  The only movie you ever saw during football season ever was Blood Diamond that time.

• 1:45:26Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 1:45:27Speaker 02

  I was forced to.

• 1:45:28Bill Simmons?

  After the Romo game.

• 1:45:29Speaker 02

  Daddy's. Yeah.

• 1:45:30Bill Simmons?

  Sal sobbing at the end of Blood Diamond. One of my favorite Sal stars.

• 1:45:33Speaker 02

  Not at the end, throughout the entire movie. Yeah.

• 1:45:35Bill Simmons?

  Over and over again.

• 1:45:37Speaker 03

  Also, one, one last nitpick. You guys are, you're, are you full, are you 100% Italian, half Italian?

• 1:45:42Speaker 02

  No, my mother's Jewish.

• 1:45:43Speaker 03

  You're half Italian, I'm half Italian. Mc, uh, Brandon says bruschetta correctly. And they correct him and say, it's bruschetta. But he's right, it's bruschetta.

• 1:45:53Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:45:54Bill Simmons?

  Right, the original pronunciation.

• 1:45:55Speaker 03

  They don't know what they're doing.

• 1:45:56Bill Simmons?

  It's become bruschetta for some reason.

• 1:45:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:58Chris Ryan?

  All the small plates restaurants.

• 1:45:59Bill Simmons?

  It's a malapropism, yeah. Two for the money, just another classic. Congrat, congrats to Pacino. Thanks to Craig and Gahow. Uh, thanks to CR. Sal, I don't know what our next one's gonna be, but it's always fun to have you on the Rewatchables.

• 1:46:12Speaker 02

  Uh, three for the money, I think. We're doing it with Tracy Morgan.

• 1:46:15Speaker 03

  Back to the future, three for the money, yeah.

• 1:46:18Bill Simmons?

  Thanks, guys.