#2247 - Duncan Trussell

Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comic, host of the "Duncan Trussell Family Hour" podcast, and voice of "Hippocampus" on the television series "Krapopolis." www.duncantrussell.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  Oh shit, I didn't know we had bells.

• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, bro, we got bells. It's probably super annoying to people listening.

• 0:18Speaker 01

  It's fucking Christmas. The war on Christmas must end.

• 0:24Joe Rogan?

  How dare we say Merry Christmas?

• 0:25Speaker 01

  How dare you say that? It offends me!

• 0:29Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see Kamala Harris do that? When she had that speech?

• 0:32Speaker 01

  She said, "How dare you say fucking Christmas?"

• 0:34Joe Rogan?

  You've never seen it?

• 0:35Speaker 01

  No.

• 0:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god. Okay, let's start with this, because it's so crazy. I don't understand the context, so like, I wish I could be charitable and say, "Well, there's probably a context where this makes sense."

• 0:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, Satan is the lord of the earth is the context.

• 0:51Joe Rogan?

  But you know, you see something and it's only a 15-second clip and you go like, "Okay." Let me just be the nicest person possible.

• 0:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 0:58Joe Rogan?

  Like, what could be the reason why you would say, "How dare we say Merry Christmas?"

• 1:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03Joe Rogan?

  Unless you're playing a character.

• 1:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:05Joe Rogan?

  Unless she's onstage doing a play. She's like, "I want to read from my college play, where I was the Grinch."

• 1:11Speaker 01

  Can you imagine saying that? Like, it seems like a nightmare that you would wake up from.

• 1:16Joe Rogan?

  It says, "Harris fumed at Americans saying Merry Christmas before illegal migrants were protected in resurfaced clips."

• 1:24Speaker 01

  Oh, you're not allowed to say it until there's absolute peace and harmony on the planet, then we can start saying it again.

• 1:28Joe Rogan?

  This is so scolding and weird.

• 1:30Speaker 03

  Only when they cleared that vet did we give them DACA status. And now we're talking about taking it away.

• 1:39Speaker 03

  It is morally wrong.

• 1:41Speaker 01

  No, thank you, I didn't know.

• 1:43Speaker 03

  And when we all sing happy tunes and sing Merry Christmas and wish each other Merry Christmas, these children are not gonna have a Merry Christmas.

• 1:53Speaker 03

  How dare we speak Merry Christmas? How dare we?

• 1:59Speaker 03

  They will not have a Merry Christmas.

• 2:01Speaker 01

  Who are you to say that?

• 2:02Speaker 03

  They don't know if they will be here in a matter of days, weeks, and months. Since September 5th, over 12,000 have lost their status.

• 2:14Joe Rogan?

  This is the, here's why you can't be charitable. Because it's just a bad perspective. It's just a bad perspective.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Charitable, what do you mean?

• 2:24Joe Rogan?

  Because if you wanted to like, what is she, does she, anything she's saying makes sense?

• 2:28Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:29Joe Rogan?

  You, they're not mutually exclusive. Alright, you can't, it's like celebrating joy and happiness and some people suffering. It's like, you can't, you can't say, "No one is going to suffer anywhere before I celebrate."

• 2:46Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:47Joe Rogan?

  Because that's crazy. Now you're taking in the entire Earth's consciousness and all of its decisions.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:55Joe Rogan?

  As to whether or not you will or we not, will not be happy, like, you and I didn't force anybody to work in the cobalt mines.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  Not yet.

• 3:02Joe Rogan?

  But we buy these fucking phones. We buy these fucking phones and we know, we know that electronics that have cobalt in them were probably pulled out of the ground by slaves. Should we never celebrate anything again until those people are free?

• 3:18Speaker 01

  No. Never.

• 3:19Joe Rogan?

  Never.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  We should just be shitting in our hands, rubbing in our faces, whipping our backs until the whole world experiences a simultaneous orgasm. Then Merry Christmas to you.

• 3:30Joe Rogan?

  But if you were a drone, so let's just say they really are intergalactic beings. And you're watching all of our hypocrisy and our scolding of each other and these like untested perspectives just jizzed out into the world. And you're looking at all this craziness, like, the, the manufacturing of almost everything that we have that comes from overseas is probably from horrible conditions.

• 3:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:59Joe Rogan?

  And we've just accepted that.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:01Joe Rogan?

  Like if aliens were watching this, to be like, who are they bullshitting? Who are they bullshitting each other? Are they bullshitting themselves?

• 4:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:08Joe Rogan?

  They're trying to figure out how many genders there are. They're trying, they're trying to decide like, who's the most protective status who you can't discuss about anything?

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:17Joe Rogan?

  Currently that's illegal immigrants.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, you know. I was just, dude, I don't know why I started doing this. Highly recommend it. I started listening, because I forgot a lot of the new age ideas. So I started listening to new age channeled audibles. Aliens channeled through new age people.

• 4:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, cheers, my brother.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  Cheers, Merry Christmas!

• 4:42Joe Rogan?

  We're off to a great start.

• 4:46Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that Seth speaks? Isn't that?

• 4:48Speaker 01

  It's a whole genre.

• 4:49Joe Rogan?

  But is that Seth speaks person? Is that, that's the whole deal behind that, right?

• 4:53Speaker 01

  It's, okay, so it's, again, I'm, like, my mom got into it briefly because she dated this new age dude and I fucking hated it. He wore Birkenstocks, he'd force us to go on hikes. He wouldn't let me take my fake gun. I would, you know, you're a kid, you want to take your fake gun on the hike? He's like, we don't do that on hikes. You know, the fucking fascist hike where you're forced to recognize the beauty of nature? And it's like, dude, don't put that on me. I'll, I'll find it on my own. But he got my mom into new age stuff. And this was prime new age time. This is like, uh, this is when they all killed themselves. It's like, they were part of it, too. You remember the, they were wearing the sneakers, what were they called? Heaven's Gate.

• 5:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  That was a new age cult. So, um, I remember, like, watching these old grainy VHS tapes with my mom and this dude. And, um, thinking they were cool. And like, there was some sound that was playing in one. And my mom looks at me, like, hopefully, like, do you recognize that sound? Because I guess.

• 6:00Joe Rogan?

  Here's the thing about all this. I think some telepathy is real.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  It is real.

• 6:07Joe Rogan?

  I think it is real. Have you listened to the telepathy tapes?

• 6:11Speaker 01

  No.

• 6:11Joe Rogan?

  You haven't?

• 6:12Speaker 01

  I haven't listened to it.

• 6:13Joe Rogan?

  It's a new podcast, it's out. And it's all about this scientific research that was done with non-verbal autistic kids and their parents. And they were able to go into another room and they would bring up things to one, whether it was, I think, I think they would bring things up to the mom or the mom would say things. But the kid was accurate 95% of the time.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 6:40Joe Rogan?

  With numbers, with colors.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:43Joe Rogan?

  Like, like three numbers in a row.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:46Joe Rogan?

  But you know how crazy that is, just to guess three numbers in a row 95% of the time?

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:51Joe Rogan?

  Like, whatever it is, they think it's real. I'm only on episode two, so, but it's really fascinating, man, because it's a dismissed thing. It's a woo-woo thing.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 7:02Joe Rogan?

  But if it's real, shouldn't scientists study it like it's real? And it seems like through scientific study, it's real.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think, it's definitely, you've probably experienced it. I've experienced it.

• 7:13Joe Rogan?

  I think it's an emerging part of human consciousness that we don't, we don't agree to, or we don't admit to. Like, we know there's something there, but we're not like, that's too silly. It's just, there's so many people that fake it. That's the problem.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:29Joe Rogan?

  Because everybody, like, wants to have some special thing that they have. You just have a special thing. You have a special thing, Duncan. You have a special talent.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  I mean, think of all, Firestarter, Carrie.

• 7:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  Stranger Things.

• 7:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:45Speaker 01

  This is the fantasy. When I was a kid, dude, I would sit when my dad was working in his apartment and try to make shit on the table move with my mind, because I'd been reading books on telekinesis. One day, you know, like when I...

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• 10:10Speaker 01

  When, like, you've got a cold drink and it gets a little wet on the bottom? One day, as I'm doing that, because of that, it slid forward. And like, I was like, totally freaked out, because I thought I'd used telekinesis to slide. It was just luck. It was just luck.

• 10:28Joe Rogan?

  It was just a badly balanced floor.

• 10:30Speaker 01

  It was just a shitty fucking apartment in College Station. But, you know, that's the, that, once you recognize the flaw in the operating system in humans. Is like, as a kid, like, for a few days, I was like, shit, I might be telekinetic. But like, once you know people want that, or want to believe in it, and how easy it is to manufacture those moments, and then claim responsibility. Holy shit, dude, you can really pull some strings on people, because there's an assumption. Let's say, some, I do know, I really believe in telepathy, I'm positive it exists. But, the assumption then would be, like, you get around a telepathic person. Well, they must be good, because they're telepathic, right? They're, they're, they're magic, so we should trust them.

• 11:15Speaker 01

  This is where people get real fucked up. These are called, in India, they call them cities, which is, if you meditate a lot.

• 11:22Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  You begin to like, well, I would say comedy is a city. You know, it's not special. I was talking to Louis Gomez about sales, you know? That's, that's the really good people can get in your head and get you to buy shit. He was saying, it's like, basically magic. And it's like, so.

• 11:40Joe Rogan?

  Hypnosis.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  Hypnosis, yeah. But, man.

• 11:43Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever been hypnotized?

• 11:44Speaker 01

  Yes, I have.

• 11:45Joe Rogan?

  It's interesting, right?

• 11:46Speaker 01

  Dude, my mom hypnotized me when I had a wart. Because she had heard you could hypnotize people, and the wart goes away. Hypnotized me, said something about the wart going away. Within a couple of weeks, I swear to you, that wart fucking dried up and just fell off my hand.

• 12:04Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  Yeah!

• 12:06Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  What the fuck?

• 12:07Joe Rogan?

  Whoa. What the fuck? Well, that's the placebo effect. The placebo effect is real. You know, I had a guy tell me this once. He was like, a kind of a wacky, healing chiropractic type guy.

• 12:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:21Joe Rogan?

  And he was telling me that if you believe what I'm saying is true. Because I was asking him, like, how does this work? Like, how, how is this working? Like, how are you healing people by, by working on, like, pressing on things? If you believe it works. Oh, so it's a lie, but if I believe the lie. So what are you selling? Like you're just, you're just like fucking manipulating people and saying mumbo jumbo, muscular structural words.

• 12:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:48Joe Rogan?

  And you're doing, you're doing hypnosis, kind of. Cause you're, you're sort of admitting that by healing, like a person who's gonna heal you with words and talking and touching you, they're tricking you into doing it yourself.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, the placebo effect.

• 13:04Joe Rogan?

  It's real.

• 13:04Speaker 01

  Is real. I've, I've heard it's one of the most powerful effects in medicine.

• 13:08Joe Rogan?

  Is it really?

• 13:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, you think of like the new cancer drugs. They tell your immune system what to attack, right? So if somehow you, you could do that without the drug, if there, and that's where it gets interesting, right? Because we, these are our bodies.

• 13:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  Perfectly metabolizing, transforming so many things instantaneously, the heart effortlessly beating all the fucking time. So theoretically, purely theoretically, you, what if you could control more of it? Like, how much of this thing can we actually control? And by the way, that's a really fun thing to think about because like, not much. So you ever think about that? Like, you sort of think like, okay, like I'm, how much of my body can I really do anything about? I can eat good food, I can exercise, but all the quantum processes that are happening within, all of the things, you kind of realize you're just the tip of the iceberg, you're

• 14:12Speaker 01

  just the little yappy tip of the iceberg. And underneath it is all this stuff that is you, but really isn't you if having control of yourself is like a way to identify this is me. So what are you in that swirl of particulates? Like, what are you in there?

• 14:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what are you?

• 14:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:32Joe Rogan?

  It's that's most people. And that's one of the reasons why ideologies are so interesting. Because it's the same thing. It's the same person. It just they've agreed to one thing or they agreed to the other thing. And it could be how you were raised, or it could be you rebelling, or it could be. But people find a way to fucking slip into a groove.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:55Joe Rogan?

  And it's so much easier.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:58Joe Rogan?

  Than trying to look at like, what is this?

• 15:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:01Joe Rogan?

  What is this thing we're doing where I'm making noises with my mouth? You're reading my mind.

• 15:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:06Joe Rogan?

  And we're like broadcasting it to the world. By making noises with your mouth, we're we're speaking through each other's minds.

• 15:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. And also, though, you know, when you get into the telepathy idea, uh, which is sort of like, the question is like, uh,

• 15:22Speaker 01

  you know, right now, we identify our minds as some kind of neurological process, right? So the idea is like, we have this like, bio computer and somewhere in there is our mind. Everything out here, not our mind. Even though everything out here, from a neurological perspective, is our mind. Everything you're seeing is an instantaneous, uh, interpretation of a variety of phenomena that gets compressed into reality. And then you say, oh, out there is that that's not me. But it is you. It's like, it's you in the way if you put on VR goggles, you know, except in this case, the VR goggles, it's your neocortex.

• 16:06Speaker 01

  It's all the processes that are making color, light, sound, etc. So if we're sort of sharing a dual reality, which is all the phenomena that's being interpreted into our minds, somewhere in there is the possibility that we're we kind of share a mind. So from that perspective, all these other things become possible. Telepathy, all of this stuff, like, you know, you get around funny people, you get funnier. When I when I was doing the midnight gospel, I was around all these artists, I got better at drawing. Like, you share a mind. It's the gestalt, or you know, the where three or two or more of you gathered there will be. That something else comes in the room and.

• 16:44Joe Rogan?

  I think we're collaborating with something that we're we're we don't truly understand because we're still trapped in primate bodies.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:53Joe Rogan?

  So I think I think we have these moments of recognition of these connections. You know, and in great moments in life and these beautiful things that can happen. And it's all being twisted up by this ape. This wild ape that had to survive for thousands and thousands of years by killing its neighbors.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:17Joe Rogan?

  And and eating monkeys and and fucking running around and clubbing things to death and eating raw meat.

• 17:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:24Joe Rogan?

  Until it figured out how to harness fire. And then it had to deal with neighboring tribes coming in with hordes of people with swords and spears.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:32Joe Rogan?

  You had to run for the hills. They killed your kids in front of you. They fucked your wife in front of you.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 17:38Joe Rogan?

  They cut your dick off and stuffed it in your mouth. And this was thousands and thousands of years.

• 17:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, dude.

• 17:46Joe Rogan?

  This thing we're doing right now is so recent.

• 17:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:49Joe Rogan?

  This thing where you can meet strangers, you don't have to worry about killing them.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's.

• 17:54Joe Rogan?

  It's super recent.

• 17:55Speaker 01

  Dogs aren't there yet.

• 17:57Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  That's why dogs freak out when someone comes to your door. They're not there yet. They still remember the old days and the the.

• 18:03Joe Rogan?

  That's a great point.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  That they're still like, dude, usually if someone's coming up.

• 18:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  We have to kill it, like, and they're reminding you of that.

• 18:10Joe Rogan?

  Phew.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  You know, and and it's true. I mean, but and if you look at that collective epigenetic trauma. As an egregore, as a ghost, a ghost haunting the planet, the ghost of like not that long ago.

• 18:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the ghost of primate past.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  The ghost ghost of primate past haunts us.

• 18:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:31Speaker 01

  And that's why it's so easy to slide into um aggressive patterns and defensive patterns that are completely unnecessary.

• 18:40Joe Rogan?

  And that's what they are, too. This is what you have to realize. It's not you. It's patterns that you've selected and you've you've selected them over and over and over again, and they've become you. It's like you went down a groove. You don't have to stay on that groove.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  No.

• 18:55Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to. But I think. You have to find something in life that's physical that you enjoy. Cause I think that's one of the best ways to manage this fucking weirdness. The absolute best way is through getting physically exhausted.

• 19:14Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 19:14Joe Rogan?

  Is get on purpose, get physically exhausted and then you can manage the craziness.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:20Joe Rogan?

  Of existing.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:22Joe Rogan?

  Cause everybody wants to pretend that it's normal. Everyone wants to pretend that existence is like, oh, you know, you get up in the morning, you fucking have your eggs and your bacon and you do your thing.

• 19:31Speaker 01

  Did you hear what Chapel Ron said?

• 19:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's like every day, it's like, oh my God, this is happening. What do you think the drones are? What do you think the drones are? You know? How much did Nancy Pelosi make this week in the stock market?

• 19:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, yeah.

• 19:47Joe Rogan?

  Even like, what, what is this?

• 19:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:50Joe Rogan?

  What are we doing?

• 19:52Speaker 01

  Did you see the new shit that they found out about consciousness in the human brain? This popped up on my feed. This dude Penrose, this guy used to be an anesthesiologist. He already knew about these neurological structures that are these quantum tubules that apparently anesthesia impacts. And he began to think maybe consciousness is not associated as much as we thought with the,

• 20:17Speaker 01

  with neurons, but is a microstructure within the brain, these quantum tubules that get shut down when there's anesthesia. And so there's this new controversial sort of emergent theory of consciousness, which is that when you are awake, you go from being a wave to a particle. You, in other words, the, whatever you want to call it, the I am, the all one situation that we actually are experiencing gets compressed into a particle, which is your experience of reality. But when you fall asleep, when you're taking a facet, you go into a superposition. When that's that feeling of being connected to everything, part of everything, not even being there anymore.

• 21:01Speaker 01

  So were those things simultaneously? And, and I guess as far as the

• 21:08Speaker 01

  The default reality that you're talking about, that's a situation where it's a bunch of particles that have focused in on like a buffet of moments that the news curates. So the news is like, okay, be mad at this person. This person's wrong. This person's right. Here's what you should be afraid of. Here's a celebrity that sucks.

• 21:35Joe Rogan?

  That's the whole business model.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  The business model.

• 21:37Joe Rogan?

  And that's the way we get the news.

• 21:39Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 21:40Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy? And sponsored by pharmaceutical drug companies.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 21:45Joe Rogan?

  And everybody else. I was watching a regular movie the other night. I was in a hotel and so it was the only thing they had in the hotel was regular movies on TV, TV. So I was watching John Wick on TV. And it's every five minutes. You're bombarded with nonsense. They stop the show and give you five minutes of nonsense.

• 22:10Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 22:11Joe Rogan?

  Just nonsense about the, and side effects.

• 22:14Speaker 01

  It's unnerving. And also when you realize, we think the show is John Wick. That ain't the show. The show is the nonsense that's happening in between John Wick. Because when you think about when you're watching a good movie, you relax, you calm down, you open up. It's the perfect, perfect state of consciousness to manipulate people.

• 22:37Joe Rogan?

  I also thought it was incredible that they bleeped out all the bad words when the commercials were far more offensive.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:48Joe Rogan?

  They bleeped out fuck. They bleeped out this, I was like, I'm like, how are they gonna handle this scene? Because there's this scene where the Russian mobster, his son comes home from this job in Atlantic City and after he did this thing with John Wick. And the guy's like, who the fuck, nobody? He goes, that fucking nobody is John Wick. And it's like the whole setup of John Wick. And it's that. Nobody. Like, no, you're gross.

• 23:17Speaker 01

  Can't say fuck.

• 23:17Joe Rogan?

  You took out the fuck, but meanwhile, you're telling me about a bloody diarrhea that might kill you if you take this drug.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:25Joe Rogan?

  You're telling me about its side effects that are like suicide, like all kinds of like wild shit, depression, anxiety, fear, violent tendencies.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 23:37Joe Rogan?

  Gambling addictions.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  This is, so when you think about the idea that if, you know, a group of witches is called a coven, a group of Christians is called a church, the idea is sort of simultaneous prayer causes change. Now, there's different words. Some people call the prayer spells. Some people call the prayer a pep rally. We're gonna go, go, go. You look at the football game, you're seeing covens of witches cheering to direct energy at the team they want to try to like move the needle a little bit. But when you consider the power of directing little bubble universes, which is every single human, focusing that beam of attention onto

• 24:22Speaker 01

  certain ideas. Dude, you could, you're, you're, you're, not only are you going to create whatever it is you want to create, in the case of an advertiser makes some money, but theoretically, you could guide history that way. And the, and, and the last thing you want them to figure out is if they all stop focusing on what you're telling them to focus on and trust themselves enough to focus on what they want to focus on, which is usually not bad, then all of a sudden, you would lose that kind of magical control. You lose the actual steering wheel of the, of the weird vehicle we're in, you know, and, and we, you know, they're like, it's democracy. The steering wheel is your vote and the president

• 25:03Speaker 01

  and the elected officials who guide the country. But the real steering wheel is here's what we're going to get you to pay attention to. You need to pay attention to this right now. And if we all pay attention to that, it like where attention goes, energy flows.

• 25:17Joe Rogan?

  You know, you know what I think it is? I think it's like if we're in a factory. If we're in a factory and there's certain gears that turn certain machines, and they think they're the only thing that exists.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:33Joe Rogan?

  But it's a chain of

• 25:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:35Joe Rogan?

  things that have to take place in order to manufacture something, like a Tesla.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:40Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if you are, if, if we just don't realize it, but if everything has a consciousness, at least in some sort of a limited capacity.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:49Joe Rogan?

  Literally everything, even tables.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:51Joe Rogan?

  Everything has some thing.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:54Joe Rogan?

  We're just, we're, we're super egotistic and we believe that only we possess this. But we know dogs have it too, which gets, where it gets weird.

• 26:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:01Joe Rogan?

  Animals have it.

• 26:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:02Joe Rogan?

  We know that, you know? But this whole thing that we're doing is trying to understand how we, we interface.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:14Joe Rogan?

  How are we doing this? Like, if, if we're in a world where it's 2024 and there's drones flying over New Jersey and they're gaslighting us, saying they're all airplanes. They're saying we have it under control.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:29Joe Rogan?

  And then it appears there was a satellite that we shot out of the sky.

• 26:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:33Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen that?

• 26:33Speaker 01

  No.

• 26:34Joe Rogan?

  No, you haven't seen that?

• 26:35Speaker 01

  I missed it somehow.

• 26:36Joe Rogan?

  This is the big conspiracy. And again, I have done no research, so do not believe me, ladies and gentlemen.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  Okay, Alf!

• 26:43Joe Rogan?

  The big conspiracy is that these are Chinese drones and they're being piloted by a satellite that they shot out of orbit.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 26:52Joe Rogan?

  And this is a conspiracy, unfounded conspiracy.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  Unfounded.

• 26:55Joe Rogan?

  But I'm just, for funsies, for funsies.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, do you remember when those weird green fucking lights showed up in Hawaii?

• 27:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, I remember where there was a ship, right? And there was like these triangle looking things that were flying over a ship.

• 27:10Speaker 01

  Those laser lights that shot out of the sky.

• 27:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 27:13Speaker 01

  Remember that?

• 27:14Joe Rogan?

  That's right. What was that?

• 27:16Speaker 01

  What are the drones? I mean, that's what I love about the drones is, I mean, aside from the obvious, like, you know, getting to imagine, fantasize, it could be they're chasing orbs and the orbs or whatever. What I love about the drones is that it's another step in shaking people awake. You know what I mean? Because it's like, part of living in default reality, I think, is you sort of lean into the idea that the government is, you could trust. You can trust the government, of course. Like, you have-

• 27:49Joe Rogan?

  You can trust the people that make the weapons.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  You could trust them.

• 27:52Joe Rogan?

  They're really good guys.

• 27:53Speaker 01

  Sure, yes, some of them, you know-

• 27:56Joe Rogan?

  Are hyper violent, whatever, whatever.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, but ultimately, we can trust these people. And so then, you have over fucking New Jersey, experimental vehicles that people are filming. "Welcome to Earth, bitch." Did you see that one? And it's so funny, people in New Jersey reacting to them.

• 28:16Joe Rogan?

  Did you see the guy shooting into the sky at the drone?

• 28:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, of cour- I mean, I'm surprised more people haven't.

• 28:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, the problem with that, you fucking idiots, is that bullets fall, okay? And they fall with almost the same kind of velocity. I mean, I'm sure that they lose a lot of steam, but it's enough to kill people. People have definitely died from bullets falling through the sky.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  You know what else falls? Drones, experimental fucking drones. The government's flying over fucking New Jersey, hoping those fuckers don't crash. They're apparently half the size of a car.

• 28:45Joe Rogan?

  Some of them are bigger, bro. Some of them are suburban sized. They're like SUV sized.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  Flying over houses.

• 28:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  So it's just like, no, listen, number one, most of what you guys are seeing, it's stars, or you're seeing commercial vehicles, mostly, and the other stuff, we don't really know. And so then, at that point, you're like, wait a minute. I'm paying almost half of my income in fucking taxes, so you know what the car-sized mystery things flying over the cities are? And you don't know what that fucking is? What am I paying you for? You know what I mean? You're making a lot of money, man. You should know what the drones are. And so, but then, when you see, what's his name? Bol- is it Bolton?

• 29:29Joe Rogan?

  Guy with the mustache?

• 29:30Speaker 01

  Not Bolton. When you see, I don't know, the DOD dudes up there, and the way that they're just lying their fucking asses off. Did you see the press secretary talking about it? And she's wearing a necklace that looks like a UFO?

• 29:43Joe Rogan?

  Is it Corrine Jean-Pierre, that lady?

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Not Jean-Pierre, it was another one. It was some-

• 29:46Joe Rogan?

  A new one? How do they just shuffle new people in without announcing-

• 29:50Speaker 01

  No, I don't think they got rid of Pierre.

• 29:53Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 29:53Speaker 01

  I hope not.

• 29:54Joe Rogan?

  Because most of them don't last as long as Pierre. She's, she's like, the marathoner.

• 29:58Speaker 01

  Oh dude.

• 29:59Joe Rogan?

  Most of them, they quit that job. They're like, fuck this job. I just gotta lie all the time?

• 30:03Speaker 01

  Horrible. Horrible.

• 30:05Joe Rogan?

  Imagine like, Duncan, this is what you're gonna sell. War with Sudan.

• 30:09Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 30:09Joe Rogan?

  Here's the reason why.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 30:10Joe Rogan?

  The rebels, children, problems-

• 30:13Speaker 01

  Children, problems.

• 30:14Joe Rogan?

  Economy-

• 30:15Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 30:16Joe Rogan?

  Um, pollution.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 30:18Joe Rogan?

  You know, we gotta vaccinate them.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  Got, got it.

• 30:20Joe Rogan?

  We can tell this.

• 30:21Speaker 01

  There's a lot of data right now that, but I got, what about the data showing vaccinations are bad for you?

• 30:25Joe Rogan?

  No, no, fuck that data. These, these people are in trouble and we need to help them. We need to help them. So war, Sudan.

• 30:32Speaker 01

  War, Sudan. War, Sudan. Got it. Okay, no problem.

• 30:34Joe Rogan?

  Sell it, sell it.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  I got it, I'm selling it, I'm going out there.

• 30:37Joe Rogan?

  You just put on your Rachel Maddow glasses.

• 30:41Speaker 01

  The Rachel Maddow glasses!

• 30:43Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's wearing them to look super serious.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  Well, this is, it's part of the costume, isn't it?

• 30:48Joe Rogan?

  It is.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  And you know, you know, we also, by the way-

• 30:50Joe Rogan?

  We're wearing costumes while we're saying this.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  We are in elf costumes. But, you know, but yeah, that, I don't understand the Rachel Maddow glasses phenomena. But, I have done research into it because I wanted to create a vision board of all the people wearing those glasses. And it's a thing. It's like a, a thing on the left. They wear those fucking glasses. It identifies that you are, you have a certain set of beliefs if you're wearing the Maddow glasses. I mean, it's a real thing.

• 31:19Joe Rogan?

  It is a real thing, yeah. If you, if you have those glasses on and you're Republican, you're an assassin. You're a guy who kills people for a living. You're a very strange person.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  Dude, isn't that, but that's to me, the invasion of the bodies.

• 31:35Joe Rogan?

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• 33:29Speaker 01

  Catcher's Experience. Have you seen that movie in a while? It's the remake?

• 33:34Joe Rogan?

  I saw the remake, but it was a long time ago, right? Wasn't it like five years ago? How long ago was it?

• 33:40Speaker 01

  I think it's from, the one I like is from the 70s.

• 33:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the Donald Sutherland one?

• 33:43Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 33:44Joe Rogan?

  Yes, that one's amazing.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Amazing. Yeah, right.

• 33:47Joe Rogan?

  They point at you and make that noise?

• 33:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's it?

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Oh, Sutherland killing it.

• 33:55Joe Rogan?

  Look how creepy his eyes are.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's it.

• 33:58Joe Rogan?

  Bro, can you imagine? Can you imagine? You imagine that reality? And by the way, not that hard. You know what's way harder than that? Building a planet.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, right.

• 34:11Joe Rogan?

  There's plenty of planets.

• 34:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:12Joe Rogan?

  That is not that hard. That is essentially what happens all the time.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:16Joe Rogan?

  In like the insect kingdom where they get infested by another parasite that controls their brain.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  There you go. Dude, I went down a deep rabbit hole with this shit because, you know, I was like looking right after Trump won, which by the way, I want to remind you, I'm sorry, I don't want to pat myself on the back, but when we were hunting for Bigfoot. Do you remember I said to you, one day you're gonna get a president elected?

• 34:39Joe Rogan?

  Did you say that?

• 34:39Speaker 01

  No.

• 34:43Joe Rogan?

  Back then, that would have been the least likely scenario. I'm in the woods with the Fear Factor guy. And we're legitimately looking for Bigfoot.

• 34:53Speaker 01

  Legitimately?

• 34:54Joe Rogan?

  Legitimately, with Bigfoot experts.

• 34:56Speaker 01

  Dude, that was one of my favorite camping trips I've ever had in my life.

• 34:59Joe Rogan?

  It was fun, dude.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  I would love to do that again. Hunting for Bigfoot. It's like, cause hunting for animals, which I know you love, I have nothing against it, but you still gotta kill an animal. Hunting for Bigfoot, you just like look for a twig out of place and you get to imagine he's nearby and that, it's really fun. Squatching is fun.

• 35:17Joe Rogan?

  Somebody asked me if I saw Bigfoot, would I kill it? Cause if I could kill it, then I could show people that it's real.

• 35:24Speaker 01

  Hmm, interesting. Interesting, would you?

• 35:28Joe Rogan?

  No. Why would I kill Bigfoot?

• 35:30Speaker 01

  Well.

• 35:31Joe Rogan?

  But just like, why would you do that? It doesn't make any sense, just to prove that it's real? Well, guess what? Guess we can't prove it. There's no other way. It's not like I tell you where it happened and you fucking close off a thousand square miles and start pushing in with soldiers.

• 35:46Speaker 01

  Well.

• 35:46Joe Rogan?

  If, don't kill it. Why would you kill it, stupid? I'm telling you where it is. Why do you want me to shoot an arrow through it?

• 35:51Speaker 01

  You know, man.

• 35:52Joe Rogan?

  Why don't you just trust me and spend a billion dollars on drones and imagine like, why did we spend all this money? Oh, Joe said he saw Bigfoot and so we weren't looking.

• 36:02Speaker 01

  But by the fucking way.

• 36:04Joe Rogan?

  No one would spend any money to go look for Bigfoot.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  If you can fly a swarm of drones over fucking New Jersey.

• 36:11Joe Rogan?

  You could find Bigfoot.

• 36:11Speaker 01

  You could fly them in the Pacific Northwest and we'd know once and fucking for all. See, this, you know, they talk about democracy. Sometimes I like to think about what would actual democracy look like? And, you know, it wouldn't look like some dude getting in front of a microphone and gaslighting your ass about experimental craft. It would be like, alright, I'm just gonna tell you guys, we figured out anti-gravity! That's anti-gravity drones. We wanted to show you, and tomorrow we're gonna drop ketamine on the neighborhoods.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  Democracy! But, uh, but you know what I mean? Like, that would be true democracy versus what we have right now, which is sort of democracy. It does work. The voting works and all that stuff, but ultimately, our impact, the non-political class's impact is very little. And the political class's impact is very little when you consider now there's a security class. So you have the politicians, like Harry Reid, trying to figure out what the fuck is going on with the UAPs, and even they can't do it, because there's another level. And that level is like, that's, those are the people controlling things, because they know the secrets.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  It's just so infuriating to me that now they feel comfortable enough to fly whatever the fuck these things are over a major city and not tell us what they are. And then say, "We don't know what they are." Because if the reality is they don't know what they are, if we're going to believe them, which I guess you're not, just not supposed to.

• 37:46Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 37:47Joe Rogan?

  Are you supposed to?

• 37:49Speaker 01

  No, I don't think you're supposed, I think at the point where they're just telling you it's like stars.

• 37:53Joe Rogan?

  Okay, but let's be honest. If you are in possession of the actual information, you know what it is. You know it's China, or you know it's aliens, or you know it's a combination of both.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:06Joe Rogan?

  Or it's US government, or it's all three.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 38:09Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it's all of the above. How the fuck do you tell people? How do you tell people that while you're also governing? You're also doing all these different things. You're very busy. How does the president get on television and say, ladies and gentlemen, aliens are real? We are being visited on a regular basis by non-human intelligence that is far superior to our own. We don't understand why they're here. We have been working with them. We have back engineered their products. And that's how you got fiber optics and capacitors and all these things that sort of emerged after Roswell. That's the most fun one.

• 38:48Speaker 01

  You were bioengineered. They seeded your culture with your religions. It's for a good cause.

• 38:55Joe Rogan?

  Everything.

• 38:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:56Joe Rogan?

  We're a piece of the fucking factory, dude. That's what we are. We're a piece of the factory that doesn't recognize that there's a whole other building connected to this that's filled with machines. We're a piece.

• 39:09Speaker 01

  Well, that's, so, okay, so that is exactly what you want pieces of your factory to think like. And that is why, at any moment, anybody can actually just turn the channel. You're not a piece of the fucking factory. Actually, you're the universe.

• 39:27Joe Rogan?

  You are the universe.

• 39:28Speaker 01

  And you're the universe who has been, dude, I mean, look what they could do to lions at a circus. Deadly fucking thing. They can make it jump through hoops. They can make it catch a frisbee, right?

• 39:41Joe Rogan?

  Most of the time.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 39:45Joe Rogan?

  When they can't, those make for some wild Instagram videos.

• 39:49Speaker 01

  Oh, they do.

• 39:50Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of those out there.

• 39:52Speaker 01

  There is. It's the assassination of a fucking CEO. And by the way, like, I am not, like, assigning any kind of, like, I think it's a slippery slope if we start publicly fucking executing CEOs. Like, if you start, you know what I mean? That's a real slippery slope.

• 40:07Joe Rogan?

  It's super slippery.

• 40:08Speaker 01

  But I'll tell you, if you sort of look at the factory, the way it works is like, number one, you really aren't supposed to identify the actual, like, what's causing, like, a lot of suffering. Like, once you start making those identifications.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  Then, and you follow through with some kind of action based on those identifications. Number one, the action can't be based on the rules of the factory. Of course, the factory is going to create rules. You can go out with your fucking signs or whatever if you're at the right place. Not at Amazon where they arrested those people protesting. But there's places in the factory where you can go and be like, I need more oil. I'm squeaking. But only once in a while and only in the right way. It's a peaceful protest is what we call it. You do it at the wrong time, it's a fucking insurrection. You know what I mean? So the factory's got rules about how we do this. So the moment you go outside of those rules, the moment you like actually, and to do that, you have to somehow really think outside the factory.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  Then, then you see something like that happen. And then you see the way the factory responds, which is the perp walk they did with that dude. They've got fucking SEAL Team Six walking that guy in.

• 41:24Joe Rogan?

  He's handsome. It's like a movie.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  It's like, yeah.

• 41:27Joe Rogan?

  In a movie, if you saw that handsome guy getting arrested and there was like SEAL Team Six behind him protecting him. You'd be like, there's no way they would do that.

• 41:35Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 41:35Joe Rogan?

  It's just a regular killer. There's no way they would have that many guys guarding that guy.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  Well, they're not guarding that guy. Look at that. They're sending a fucking message. They're saying, listen, we will surround you. And like that, so because like what's really scary about what he did is like, and I think if you want to like take murder, cold-blooded murder and just for a second call it activism. What that guy did is he didn't just like, you know, send a message, which is really scary for people like CEOs, which is saying, listen, man, like you can't keep fucking us with the insurance. If you do, you're not safe. And so that's scary as fuck because that's, the CEOs, of course, are the ones who pay for the lobbyists, who pay for the laws.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  And so he sends a message of a methodology, which again, I think if we, if we're going to get into a better place. Using violence, I just don't think that's the path. But just as an analysis dude, I would say you could expect more of that to happen. And that is going to lead to the Darth Vader people coming out more.

• 42:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're not cosigning it.

• 42:54Speaker 01

  I'm not cosigning it at all. No, no, no.

• 42:55Joe Rogan?

  No, but it's a realistic assessment. Like, there's something going on, people are very upset. And they've been able to do this to people for so long. Deny people treatment for so long.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Like, you remember when your dad had to come downstairs? Like, you're fucking up, or you're like, missbathing with your brother. You're doing something really bad, you set something on fire.

• 43:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  Your dad comes downstairs. He's been at work, he's fucking pissed. That's how you know you're really fucked. When people start doing stuff like that, then the dad has to come downstairs. And when the dad comes downstairs, it looks like the dude's in the Darth Vader outfit. All of a sudden, this, you know, this facade, for a second, they have to stop the show, turn on the fucking lights. These guys in fucking full body armor come out, spray chemicals into your face, and drag you away. And then, alright, start the show up again, start the show up again. It gets a memory hold. So, that is an example of what happens when the factory is imbalanced. And right now, the factory is imbalanced, dude. It's just, that's the problem. There's a reason we need the middle class.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  There's a reason you need some path forward. That is, there's a reason you need to be able to buy a fucking house. And aside from like, the human comfort, and starting a family and all that stuff, the moment you pull that away from people, now what? It's like, so wait, what am I supposed to do here? Now, again, I'm not advocating violence. I think that if we keep doing violence, we're gonna keep getting violence. But it's a really scary thing when shit gets so imbalanced. And when you hear about like, the health insurance. Like, I'm lucky, because like, I'm on this, I'm on crapopolis on Fox. I have incredible health insurance, dude. But like, you read about the people denying, like...

• 44:46Speaker 01

  Really important medication, really important procedures to people. Sending them stacks of, of paper explaining why we're not gonna pay. Well, you know, I, I got my colonoscopy recently. It cost me a hundred dollars. You know how much they charged my insurance company? Nine thousand dollars.

• 45:07Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever talked to Brigham Buehler about this?

• 45:08Speaker 01

  No.

• 45:09Joe Rogan?

  You should. You know, cuz he, he understands it from top to bottom. He, he can tell you exactly what's going on. He's talked about it on the podcast. But it's, you know, it's a giant machine. It's a giant money machine.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 45:24Joe Rogan?

  That's really what it is. It's not really about making you better. It's, it's about, it's a giant money machine.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 45:29Joe Rogan?

  But making you better is what they sell.

• 45:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:31Joe Rogan?

  But it's about making more money.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 45:33Joe Rogan?

  And, and they can make incredible amounts of money for surgeries that maybe you don't need.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:39Joe Rogan?

  You know, I'm not saying everybody does it, but some people do it. It's been, it's, this, there's a guy that just got arrested recently. I don't know if you heard about this guy. Um, I sent this to Peter Attia. I could send it to you, Jamie, or maybe you could find it. This dude, um, he was telling people they had cancer and they didn't. And it was like a ton of cases. And he would give them chemotherapy, man. And he'd make them like severely ill.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, demon.

• 46:06Joe Rogan?

  He did it to like, I don't, I don't remember the number because I think the number stunned me so much. I didn't wanna remember it. But this guy told a ton of people they had cancer.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 46:17Joe Rogan?

  Just scared the fuck out of them, ruined their lives.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 46:20Joe Rogan?

  And then gave them poison.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:22Joe Rogan?

  That's designed to kill cancer.

• 46:24Speaker 05

  Is it a few, like 10 years old?

• 46:27Joe Rogan?

  It could have been. Um, uh, someone had sent it to me on, uh, Instagram. It was a news story.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 46:34Joe Rogan?

  He got 45, that's all he got was 45 years?

• 46:37Speaker 05

  This has 13 counts.

• 46:39Speaker 01

  He's 50, that's a, that's a life sentence.

• 46:42Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Um, well, yeah, man.

• 46:45Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if this is the same guy.

• 46:49Joe Rogan?

  Maybe more doctors have done. You know, this is one of the things that I found out I was doing a bit about this fertility clinic doctor. That was using his own jizz. That's not one, there's not one case. There's a fucking shit ton of cases, like, I wonder how many of these doctors. Were, there's this creepy doctors that, just like there's creepy carpenters, like, just like there's, you know, like, some, some doctors don't give a fuck about people.

• 47:15Speaker 01

  Why do they use their own jizz? There is, they, do they run?

• 47:17Joe Rogan?

  They want all the babies. They want everyone to have their baby.

• 47:20Speaker 01

  Oh, so it's not like-

• 47:21Joe Rogan?

  They're just psychos.

• 47:22Speaker 01

  People aren't coming in?

• 47:23Joe Rogan?

  No, there's women that went in with her husband's jizz, and he's like, eh, I got a better option for you, sweetheart.

• 47:30Joe Rogan?

  That's what this guy did.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 47:32Joe Rogan?

  He ran a fertility clinic, and I think people started figuring it out when 23andMe came around. And this is just one of these guys. There's been a ton of those guys.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:41Joe Rogan?

  That fundamentally is the difference between men and women. Could, could you imagine a clinic where a woman was getting other people to carry her babies?

• 47:55Speaker 01

  That's hilarious. Yeah.

• 47:57Joe Rogan?

  Not a chance in the fucking world. No woman would want that. Yeah, take my baby. You take my baby. I trust it with you. You don't, the guy I don't even know, have a baby with me.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 48:07Joe Rogan?

  Have the most precious thing. You can have it. You can have it. You can have it. It's literally the fundamental difference between men and women, that a guy could run a sperm clinic and think that, I'm gonna get away with everybody having my babies. And he doesn't give a fuck what happens to those kids.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  Cause they might fuck.

• 48:25Joe Rogan?

  They might fuck, they, they might not know, they might find out through 23andMe, they're, they're cousins.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:31Joe Rogan?

  Like, holy shit, we're cousins. And then you find out everyone's a cousin. Cause this creep's been just using his own jizz for 35 years.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  Dude, that guy could be like, you know, based on the depopulation that's happening, based on population decline, that guy could be like the next Genghis Khan. Like, in the future, like.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  We feel like 80% of the planet's related to this dude.

• 48:52Joe Rogan?

  I think he's got a- A lot of catching up to do to get where Genghis Khan's numbers were.

• 48:56Speaker 01

  I mean, how mu- it is interesting. It's like, you know, you, you read Elon Musk is the top Diablo player in North America, right? Which-

• 49:04Joe Rogan?

  I think in the world, dude.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  In the world.

• 49:06Joe Rogan?

  I think he's the number one in the world, which is fucking insane.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  And dude, and I know you, and, and I, I'm not trying to high road you here, but unless you've played Diablo four, you can't understand what that means.

• 49:21Joe Rogan?

  I absolutely accept that. I do not understand what that means.

• 49:24Speaker 01

  It is insane. Like, it, like, when I was addicted to that fucking game, like, I just wasn't sleeping. Cause you know, I had to do dad duty in the day, Diablo at night. And I was, I sucked. So when you realize this guy, shooting rockets into space, making e-vehicles, starting a new fucking department of the government,

• 49:47Speaker 01

  is also the top.

• 49:50Speaker 01

  It's the-

• 49:51Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  It's the one time I actually let myself think, maybe he actually is an alien. Because there is no, there's just no way. Unless he's paying people to do it for him, which obviously he's not. That, that is insane, man. That is insane. So dude, when you, when you consider, I don't even know where I was going with that. I got lost in Diablo four, just thinking about it.

• 50:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, we were just talking about how he was the number, he's the number one player that Elon, that how, how preposterous it is.

• 50:20Speaker 01

  It's, it, no, it's-

• 50:21Joe Rogan?

  That I don't know, I, I don't play Diablo four, so I really don't know what that means, but I believe it's huge. You know what I'm saying? Like I don't-

• 50:28Speaker 01

  It's crazy. It's crazy, cause you know Diablo four, it's all about your build, it's all about like, it, it, eye-hand coordination is obviously a big part of it, but then it, it, it's just, and then you see the chopsticks catch the fucking rocket.

• 50:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh, that's side job. Side job, he's had more space innovation in the last five years than NASA has since the Apollo missions.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  It's amazing.

• 50:56Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I'm just saying that. I don't know if it's a true number, but he gets rockets to land and rockets get caught with robot arms. Like what?

• 51:05Speaker 01

  And that, to me, it's like, my god. You know, you get those feelings of, okay, I'm on the right timeline. Cause if the guy who's going to make us a galactic civilization is also a master Diablo player-

• 51:16Joe Rogan?

  The number one.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  We're on the right timeline.

• 51:21Joe Rogan?

  It seems so unlikely that if it was in a movie, I'd go, shut the fuck up.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  Shut the fuck up.

• 51:27Joe Rogan?

  He's not the number one Diablo player. I don't care how smart he is with rockets and electric cars and satellites that give broadband internet and tunneling under the earth and also owns X.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  It's suspicious, I must say.

• 51:43Joe Rogan?

  And he's tweeting 48 times an hour. He's so prolific. It's like, where is your head?

• 51:53Speaker 01

  One of the, um...

• 51:54Joe Rogan?

  It's like, he's in another dimension.

• 51:56Speaker 01

  He could be bi-locating. Like, this is one of the ideas.

• 51:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Where are you actually physically? Is this an avatar?

• 52:04Speaker 01

  Okay, here's something.

• 52:06Joe Rogan?

  He fully believes it's simulation, by the way.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  Oh, he does?

• 52:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, fully. Not only does he say fully, but he says the chances of it not being a simu... He said this publicly, the chances of it not being a simulation are in the billions.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  I mean, okay, so, we talked about this in the green room. Willow, the new quantum chip that Google owns, right? So, and I think you and I both do the same thing with our minds. Again, I think anyone who is exposed to the Atari 2600 does this naturally, which is like, we play the Atari 2600. Did you have an Atari when you were a kid?

• 52:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  And you remember how that blew your mind, right? You control the thing with a joystick. It was insane. You can control the TV.

• 52:46Joe Rogan?

  Little buttons?

• 52:47Speaker 01

  What the fuck?

• 52:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, incredible.

• 52:49Speaker 01

  You'd been going to arcades. You could only play for a second. You'd have enough quarters. Suddenly, you could just do it at home.

• 52:55Joe Rogan?

  You could play till you fainted.

• 52:57Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. And so, we got to witness, like, every phase of that technology to where it is now, which is just fucking insane. And so, you just take the Atari 2600 model and apply it to any new thing. And so, you think, all right, what's it gonna look like in 10 years? Then you take Musk's neural lace, some kind of brain-human interface, mix that in with some quantum chip that, yeah, right now, right now, it's apparently unstable. It's like, you gotta keep it at, like, you have to keep... Keep it at the low, I don't know what it's called. It's like colder than space or something. Like, it has to be basically below freezing.

• 53:38Speaker 01

  And then, suddenly, it can do things that all the supercomputers on the planet couldn't do. But you know, there's a trajectory here between the human brain and this technology. And it's getting closer and closer and closer together. Meaning that we are, and you know, a lot of people are like, "Look, that's probably like 20 years away." That is not that long. We are, when did Teen Wolf come out, man?

• 54:02Joe Rogan?

  I don't think it's anywhere near 20 years. I think it's way closer than that.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  That's right. So that, to me, when you, when you just do the math and you realize, humanity is about to merge with a thing that is solving equations that all the super, take a supercomputer, what is it?

• 54:21Joe Rogan?

  Septillion amount of years.

• 54:23Speaker 01

  That's gonna be us.

• 54:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 54:25Speaker 01

  And so then, to answer the simulation idea, of course, we're in a simulation. If, if we were just monkeys, and now we are using qubits, using superpositioning to create some infinitely faster way of calculating data, then, obviously, once we get that thing connected to our brain, we will be able to simulate any reality we want. If this is truly our past, and you wanted to, like, right now, the way I remember something, having done acid for most of my life, is very foggy and kind of like, my memory isn't the best. Every once in a while, I have a very clear memory of things.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  But with this tech, theoretically, it could reconstruct memories in your mind. And not just that, put you into them and allow you to experience them in real time. Meaning, in a few minutes, you could live your life over a thousand times. Easily, we could just be in, we could be in the future, and this is a memory that some quantum computer neural interface is allowing us to experience totally, all-encompassing memory. And that would be a form of eternal life, because in every second, how many lifetimes could you live based on merging with that kind of chip?

• 55:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 55:40Speaker 01

  And you wouldn't want to know it was a memory. You know, you might want to be like, "You know what? Let me just live that life over again. I just want to feel the whole thing."

• 55:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, that's one of the, the scariest things for people to consider.

• 55:52Joe Rogan?

  Is the, um, there's this, I, I asked someone once, would you rather die? Or would you rather live your life over and over and over again forever?

• 56:06Speaker 01

  What'd they say?

• 56:07Joe Rogan?

  They're like, oh my god, I couldn't do this forever and ever and ever. I'm like, why not? Can you, you can do it now. Like, it's not even hard. Like, aren't you enjoying life? Like, I love it. I'm having a great time. I have great friends. I have a lot of fun. Lots of amazing things. I have a great family. I, I, I enjoy what I do for a living. Like, why wouldn't I want to keep doing this? But the thought of keeping, even for me, the thought of me doing this forever and ever and ever is fucking terrifying.

• 56:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:32Joe Rogan?

  For some weird reason.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  Well, that was, like, Nietzsche had this whole thought experiment, which was, I don't remember what it was called, something like infinite return, but basically, the way he put it is, you don't live it again and again and again and make changes within the echo. It's exactly the same over and over and over again. And, and so in other words, like, whatever you, it's just a, it's a rerun, over and over, over again forever. That's what we're in.

• 56:57Joe Rogan?

  Gee.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  And his point in that was like, therefore, if most of your life you've been miserable, you're in hell.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  Dude. I know. But he wanted to use that more as a kind of, um, to, to leverage people out of despondency, to make them understand, get going now, make it happy now, because if we do repeat, uh, yeah, but dude.

• 57:24Joe Rogan?

  Do you think that by all this measure of talking about like quantum computers and artificial intelligence and all these emerging things, isn't it more likely then that a lot of this shit that people are seeing is human created? Cause isn't it more likely that if we really do get to some sort of quantum computer AI? Civilization, so you attach quantum computer with AI like 20 years from now.

• 57:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:52Joe Rogan?

  What does that even mean? Did you just make a god? And if you did, can this thing just completely travel between dimensions? And understand like everything about every subatomic particle? That exists in the entire universe?

• 58:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:09Joe Rogan?

  All at once, like if that's the case, like, why do you need people anymore? And maybe you don't. Just make like maybe Australopithecus isn't around anymore. That was our guy.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 58:18Joe Rogan?

  He was our guy. If it was for him, we wouldn't be here, allegedly.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, I think the model you could use for that theory would be the the various, like you look at the, an embryo. And then you, you watch the way the appendages change. Then you could look at it that way, which is like, well, I mean, you don't want. I met someone who had a tail, by the way, like.

• 58:43Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 58:43Speaker 01

  Some people get born.

• 58:49Joe Rogan?

  I think I was at that party.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  He had a tail.

• 58:56Joe Rogan?

  Someone had a tail.

• 58:57Speaker 01

  It's because, because something happens.

• 58:58Joe Rogan?

  How big was it?

• 58:59Speaker 01

  I didn't look at it.

• 59:00Joe Rogan?

  What did it taste like?

• 59:01Speaker 01

  Oh, it was cinnamon. It tasted like cinnamon and whiskey.

• 59:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, dudes are born with like a stub.

• 59:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 59:09Joe Rogan?

  You know, like a regular tailed monkey, but like, look at this bitch ass tail.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:12Joe Rogan?

  But there's something to it.

• 59:13Speaker 01

  Something there, so, you know, the, if you, yeah, there it is. There you go, God.

• 59:18Joe Rogan?

  That's so weird.

• 59:20Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 59:20Joe Rogan?

  That is like an ancient, by the way, if you're born with a tail, I'm not trusting you with my taxes.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  Oh, come on.

• 59:27Joe Rogan?

  I don't care if you got the surgery.

• 59:28Speaker 01

  Well, it's weird how there's like, some of those tails look better than others, but.

• 59:32Joe Rogan?

  Some of them are clearly, gotta be fake. Yeah, some people probably got surgically put the, take off my big toe and stick it on my ass. I'm afraid to look at what some of the pictures are.

• 59:41Speaker 01

  Dude, that, your lions fucking bit, I still think about it sometimes. What would you do if you had a tail? Like, give me a break. If you could get, like, if, you know, they, they're already getting these body suits you can wear to help, help you lift shit. They have the new things for your legs that like.

• 59:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:57Speaker 01

  But dude, if, if there was some cyborg tail that you could attach with a belt.

• 1:00:02Joe Rogan?

  What if there was a way? What if genetic engineering and AI merge in a way that like Duncan, we can switch you one time to anything you want. And one of the options is you could become one of the Na'vi.

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  What are the Navi?

• 1:00:16Joe Rogan?

  The Navi from the movie? Avatar. Avatar?

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  I'm not, I don't wanna be a Navi.

• 1:00:21Joe Rogan?

  The blue people?

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  Not interested.

• 1:00:23Joe Rogan?

  The giant, giant blue people who fucking live in the forest and they sleep in the trees and they're connected to the earth. And they dance together in a psychedelic ritual.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  I'm gonna pass on the Navi, I don't like it.

• 1:00:32Joe Rogan?

  They ride dragons, they ride dragons, bro.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't know, man.

• 1:00:37Joe Rogan?

  Dude, I wanted to be one of them people so bad, everybody did. There's, there was literally a psychological condition called Avatar depression. Do you know about that?

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do.

• 1:00:45Joe Rogan?

  How many people, just, let's just have a guess. If I said, "We could do that to you." How many people do you think would sign up? I think the streets would be filled with giant blue people.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, if it's only once.

• 1:00:58Joe Rogan?

  You have to stay, you, we can't do it again. It's too dangerous, your DNA gets volatile, it melts down, you can become a frog. We can't control it, but we can switch you one time.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not gonna be one time, man.

• 1:01:10Joe Rogan?

  No, it's one time. One time.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  Why?

• 1:01:12Joe Rogan?

  Because you either, you either stay a person, or you become a werewolf, or we turn you into a Navi. Imagine, imagine if that was an option. Every time the moon goes black, you have to lock yourself in your house.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, or you'll kill.

• 1:01:26Joe Rogan?

  And you have to let people know, or you'll, you'll tear everybody apart. You might just jump through the windows of the second floor and roam the streets.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  And it's gonna hurt when you change, it's a painful transformation.

• 1:01:35Joe Rogan?

  Screaming in your back, remember the movie, American Werewolf in London? When he's like on his back?

• 1:01:39Speaker 01

  Dude, the best. Oh my, Joe.

• 1:01:44Joe Rogan?

  Fucking great movie.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  Here's a movie you gotta watch.

• 1:01:47Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  The Substance.

• 1:01:48Joe Rogan?

  What is that?

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Dude, I don't wanna ruin it for people, cuz it just came out, but it's, um... You ever watch any like Cronenberg movies? Okay, so it's, it reminds me of that. It's got Demi Moore in it, who by the way, looks so great. And she's like, like, dude, it is so fucked up, this movie is so fucked up, but it's got... The effects, uh, something that happens in it is very similar to an American Werewolf in London. And it's basically this star, is, she's a fading star. And so, um, oh, and he kills it too. But like, she's like a fading star.

• 1:02:25Joe Rogan?

  So it's called The Substance?

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  Oh my god, it's fucking trippy, man, it's so good.

• 1:02:30Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna make a note, Duncan.

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  You will love it.

• 1:02:32Joe Rogan?

  I'm making a note, I can't use, I had to take my gloves off.

• 1:02:35Speaker 01

  But it, it's really wild, man, and it's very dis, like, there's parts of it that are so disturbing.

• 1:02:41Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Oh, maybe they're gonna show it.

• 1:02:42Joe Rogan?

  The Substance.

• 1:02:45Speaker 05

  No spoilers.

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  What? You've seen it.

• 1:02:47Speaker 05

  No, but like, if you say it's that good, then why?

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah, yeah. No spoilers.

• 1:02:52Joe Rogan?

  I'm sorry, so what is it on again?

• 1:02:53Speaker 01

  Uh, we had to get it on Prime.

• 1:02:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, so it's out. It's out.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  But dude, like, the, the, this is again, like, and I think one of the fun things about being alive right now.

• 1:03:05Joe Rogan?

  It's a fun time.

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  It's a fun time, and one of the fun-

• 1:03:07Joe Rogan?

  It might be the funnest time anybody's ever had.

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  Dude, really? Cause like, if I had to pick time periods-

• 1:03:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, we picked the right one.

• 1:03:14Speaker 01

  Well, the second one I would pick is, uh, when cocaine was legal. Dun, dun, dun, dun.

• 1:03:20Joe Rogan?

  I think you would have been dead already.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  I would, well, yeah, but I mean, I-

• 1:03:24Joe Rogan?

  Did I ever tell you about my buddy Steve, who did his ophthalmology, uh, he, he was, um, his residency, he did in Miami in the eighties, during the cocaine days?

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:03:34Joe Rogan?

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• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  Wow, that's a problem.

• 1:05:46Joe Rogan?

  G.I. Joes, oh yeah dude. My friend Steve, shout out to Steve Graham. He told me like all kinds, they find light bulbs, guys that have light bulbs.

• 1:05:54Speaker 01

  Wow, a light bulb.

• 1:05:55Joe Rogan?

  Twisty little pine coney light bulbs, they stick those up their ass.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  You know it's gonna break, like that's gonna break.

• 1:06:00Joe Rogan?

  Part of the fun, part of the fun.

• 1:06:02Speaker 01

  The risk.

• 1:06:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're coked out of their fucking minds, dude. They don't know what they're doing. This is the 80s in Miami.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  Holy shit, dude.

• 1:06:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and there was more, more banks per capita in Miami at the time. I don't know if it's still the case, but more banks in Miami per capita than anywhere else in the country. Cause it was all just moving in that yayo, son! Moving in that yayo! It was a cocaine city.

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  That was where it was probably somewhat common to find like a bag of coke on the beach, right?

• 1:06:38Joe Rogan?

  Probably every day.

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  You'd have to get your kid, your kid would bring you a bag of coke.

• 1:06:43Joe Rogan?

  Like seashells.

• 1:06:48Joe Rogan?

  You've seen Cocaine Cowboys, right?

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:06:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, it's so, and both, one and two, both are equally good.

• 1:06:53Speaker 01

  Dude, I've heard-

• 1:06:54Joe Rogan?

  But that story is so insane.

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  I mean, again, like, the, I would never, I, I'm too much of a pussy to live that kind of lifestyle, but when you think about the possibility that, once we do get interfaced in some way or another with these new computers that are just right around the corner,

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  we will be able to simulate experiences like that.

• 1:07:18Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  I will definitely, I would be into simulating the experience. And then, when you consider, yeah, but you're gonna simulate the experience, you know it's a simulation,

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  at some point, you're gonna be like, you know what, let's just turn that off, where I know it's a simulation. You know what I mean? We would all be doing that shit.

• 1:07:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:07:37Speaker 01

  Like, and I don't just mean like, literally like, I mean, at some point, you've done 20,000 lifetimes, you've experienced what it's like to be George Washington, Genghis Khan, you've experienced what it's like to be Joe Navarre, you've experienced being one of Jesus's disciples.

• 1:07:53Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if that's one person, and that's your backstory?

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  That you've done all of those things.

• 1:07:57Joe Rogan?

  What a timeline you're on.

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  That's gonna be everybody. That's gonna be everybody.

• 1:08:01Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's gonna be fake.

• 1:08:02Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, is it-

• 1:08:03Joe Rogan?

  Just plug into it.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  That, that's where it gets really-

• 1:08:05Joe Rogan?

  Right, is it?

• 1:08:06Speaker 01

  Is it gonna be fake?

• 1:08:07Joe Rogan?

  And what is reality, anyway?

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  And what is data?

• 1:08:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  What is data? That's the real question, because it's like, how much of data can we recover from light? And if we get faster than light travel, can we get ahead of light? We know that when we take a picture, that's just light. So if we can get ahead of light, and we can go faster than light, if we can go exponentially faster than light, theoretically, you're, you're basically moving into the future, I guess, then couldn't you take pictures of Earth in the past? If you could take pictures of Earth in the past, why couldn't you recreate them with this new technology? There's your time machine, you're not, you don't have to worry about fucking up the timelines, you're just taking pure data, having it interpolated by whatever the next computer is after quantum computers, right? And then simulating that reality and traveling into it, as whoever you wanna be.

• 1:08:53Speaker 01

  I mean, it's pure hedonism, you know? It's like, right now, we think of hedonism as fucking, great meal, making some money, nice car-

• 1:09:03Joe Rogan?

  Red wine.

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  Red wine. But future versions of hedonism could really just be like, I just wanna be a dinosaur for 50 years.

• 1:09:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, for sure. Well, there's gonna be, look, think about how many people play video games most of the day. Like, how many young guys?

• 1:09:25Speaker 01

  So many.

• 1:09:26Joe Rogan?

  Young guys with no girlfriends, 100%, you're playing some kind of video game all the time with your friends.

• 1:09:32Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 1:09:33Joe Rogan?

  And you're probably having the most fun you're ever gonna have in your life, so enjoy it.

• 1:09:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:37Joe Rogan?

  Before the prison comes.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  Ah, god!

• 1:09:39Joe Rogan?

  For the marital...

• 1:09:40Speaker 01

  Why? Why'd you say it?

• 1:09:42Joe Rogan?

  Before you get told that you're a toxic piece of shit.

• 1:09:45Speaker 01

  You can't. And that is, by the way, I think there's a new phase in recently married dudes who, um, I think there's a new phase that happens. I think I went through it, actually, which is like, that experience you had, and when I reminisce on my life in the past, prior to having kids, which I fucking love, but when I reminisce on the past, the memories that come to mind, a lot of them are like, snorting rails of ketamine and playing God of War.

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  It was amazing.

• 1:10:21Joe Rogan?

  Good times.

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  But nothing like, and I really mean this, it sounds cheesy, but I really mean it, like, what I was going for there, that's what I get just on any given day, in the most...

• 1:10:32Joe Rogan?

  Right, you're looking for highs, and the highs of the love of your family is above and beyond anything else.

• 1:10:38Speaker 01

  Unquantifiable.

• 1:10:39Joe Rogan?

  Did I ever tell you, uh, Chappelle's take on it?

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:10:42Joe Rogan?

  He goes, "Not only did it increase the love in my life, but it increased my capacity for love."

• 1:10:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:10:49Joe Rogan?

  It's wild.

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  And that can hurt. You know, this whole, like, romantic hippie dippy version of love, it doesn't, I don't think that's quite what love is. Fairy tale love, real love, it's like, that expansion. Like, you know that thing where you go from one size butt plug to the next?

• 1:11:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, you know that thing.

• 1:11:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you know what I mean, it's like you, you, you, it stretches you out in a way that nothing else could have. And when you consider, and when I think of like the past versions of me and realize in this confused way, that's what you're looking for. You're looking for that. And that impulse is being subverted or captured by, you know, hedonic technologies that are paradoxically probably keeping you from having that experience. You know, they're, they're getting in the way of that experience. But, and then, and then like new dads, you gotta shed that skin. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I had to like fucking like, let

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  go of that. That, it's such a habit, you know, that form of life, video games, drugs, like, you know what I mean? It's a real, it's a real like-

• 1:12:04Joe Rogan?

  You have to be responsible now.

• 1:12:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But, um, yeah, and that probably sounds like a bummer to a lot of people out there, but it actually, this is the way, you know, and it feels good when you're in it.

• 1:12:18Joe Rogan?

  It's just hard to convince people to do it. And that's why there's this, Elon's terrified of this population crash. This idea that younger kids, young kids today are not having babies. And then as they're getting older, you're less and less fertile. And so people are choosing to have kids later in life. They, or not have kids, more people are choosing to not have kids. And by the way, I'm not judging. Do whatever, you do whatever you want. You should be able to do whatever you want in this life. And no one should force you to fucking live with somebody, have a family. I don't know what kind of anxiety you have, or whether or not you're a real legitimate loner. You like being alone most of the time.

• 1:12:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:56Joe Rogan?

  But, it's just like, the amount of people that are like super bummed out all the time is quite terrifying.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:05Joe Rogan?

  If you, if you really stopped and think about the, just the number of people that are just running through life bummed out.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:13:11Joe Rogan?

  And there was some- Obviously polls, who knows who the fuck's running them. But there was some poll about liberal women and mental illness. It's so, it's such a meme, it's so unfortunate.

• 1:13:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:26Joe Rogan?

  It seems to like hold up to the meme.

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:29Joe Rogan?

  So unfortunate, but the number is like crazy high.

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  Well, you know, man, this is the thing about mental illness. Like, and there's lots of studies that have been, what do they call it? A folie à deux, right? That's the name for if you are around a crazy person. It's an, you can actually, like, if you're around a paranoid person long enough, you really might start thinking the walls are bugged if they're charismatic enough, right?

• 1:13:51Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 1:13:52Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:13:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  There's a, there's a quality to people who are charismatic and distorting reality that is contagious. And then, when you add to it, it becomes a fashion statement, right? So, so basically the idea is, if you have some form of mental illness, it's not like I should shame you for it, obviously. Like, you need care, you need compassion. But one of the really, I think, very dangerous things that has emerged into the zeitgeist is that compassion has been confused. Like, so in other words, they, what you might call enabling, they are calling compassion. Because the idea would be, you're, right now, you need to get better. Let's get you fucking better.

• 1:14:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:14:37Speaker 01

  Not like, right now, this is just how you are, and you really don't have any hope. So this is where, and also, I congratulate you on your courage. And, all that's good, by the way. It is courageous if someone has mental illness to announce it. But, when you go to the next step, which is actually the fact that you're trying to lose weight, the fact that you're trying to balance your life. That is an aggression. You know what I mean? Like, now you're aggressing against all the people who have this. It is a slap in the face to the people who have it. What I'm saying is, there's a culture where the normal societal pressure to try to make yourself

• 1:15:21Speaker 01

  healthy, which, by the way, if you go back a long time ago, if it's just like you and me and everyone in the green room, and we have to survive in the wilderness or something like that, there really isn't time for somebody to, you know, it's dangerous if someone is doing things that keep them sick, because we have to carry them. You know what I mean? We have to carry them through the fucking wilderness, and that means we might die. That lowers our survival chances. So, the idea is, you don't want to enable people who are hurting themselves.

• 1:15:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:15:59Speaker 01

  You don't want to enable people who have a chance to no longer, like, continue the patterns, or to take the medicine, or whatever the fuck it is, to feel better. You actually want to help them feel better, not keep them frozen in this thing, which is a demonstration of their enlightenment. Because that's the thing, when sickness is health, and health is sickness, well, that's the ant-death spiral, dude. Like, if, you know, that's how you create a very sick, unhealthy world. And then, you know, you wouldn't want, like, in other words, like, if you met some, like, raving paranoid person who was convinced that there were nanobots inside of them that

• 1:16:43Speaker 01

  were reading their minds and controlling their thoughts.

• 1:16:45Joe Rogan?

  Duncan, I told you that in private.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, Joe. It's just not good that you think like that. That's scary. That's a sad place to be. We gotta get you out of there.

• 1:16:53Joe Rogan?

  We gotta get you on Reddit.

• 1:16:56Speaker 01

  Exactly. Exactly.

• 1:16:58Joe Rogan?

  Nanobots are legit, dude. Shut the fuck up.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  Dude, the main, this is a...

• 1:17:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know what I'm really scared of, legitimately, though? I don't think nanobots are controlling us right now, but that this technology that they have, where they have these, like, little miniature robots that they can send into your bloodstream to repair tissue and repair... You've seen these, right?

• 1:17:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:20Joe Rogan?

  The concept behind it?

• 1:17:23Joe Rogan?

  Once that becomes an actual thing, like what's to stop someone from injecting a few of those inside of you at the hospital? Next time you go in for a procedure?

• 1:17:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:17:33Joe Rogan?

  And if it gets to that point, like 20 years from now where they could do that, they could just like, "We, uh, we chipped Duncan. Thank you."

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:39Joe Rogan?

  "Thank you very much. It was very important to find out."

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:42Joe Rogan?

  "Where, where this guy goes."

• 1:17:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:45Joe Rogan?

  "We have to track him."

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 1:17:46Joe Rogan?

  "Everywhere he goes."

• 1:17:47Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:17:47Joe Rogan?

  And then you're linked up to some GPS computer by these fucking nanobots inside of your body.

• 1:17:52Speaker 01

  And by the way, if you and I are talking about this shit in elf suits, you better believe somebody in the DOD, somebody in the Raytheon or Lockheed Martin is like-

• 1:18:03Joe Rogan?

  I mentioned these, these little, little robots, they do work for a while.

• 1:18:08Speaker 01

  Whatever.

• 1:18:09Joe Rogan?

  But after a while, they decay inside your body and they create rampant inflammation. Horrible rheumatoid arthritis destroys all of your joints because they die inside of you. Well, you know, it's like, "We didn't know that."

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  You didn't know. Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet, man.

• 1:18:24Joe Rogan?

  That we regret.

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:26Joe Rogan?

  The Tuskegee experiment.

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 1:18:28Joe Rogan?

  We regret it. Sorry, sorry.

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 1:18:31Joe Rogan?

  Infected people with syphilis.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  I'm really sorry.

• 1:18:34Joe Rogan?

  Didn't tell people they had syphilis. We're sorry.

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  In retrospect, it was a mistake. Like, we shouldn't have done that. I mean, the, again-

• 1:18:42Joe Rogan?

  How crazy is that? That's a real thing.

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  Or when they release some shit in the subways, you know? Whoopsie!

• 1:18:48Joe Rogan?

  Wuhan lab, whoopsies!

• 1:18:49Speaker 01

  Whoops!

• 1:18:50Joe Rogan?

  That was a big whoopsies, boys.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  Gain-of-function research.

• 1:18:54Joe Rogan?

  Whoopsies, it was real!

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  Whoopsie, no-

• 1:18:56Joe Rogan?

  Whoopsies, it was true!

• 1:18:58Speaker 01

  Dude, so when you, this is where, to me, if you do want to align with a classic paranoid state of consciousness, the way you align with it is you, you, and without having to go on Infowars, without having to go on Reddit conspiracy, just look at what is, like, is verifiable. Like, what do we know right now? So what we know right now, there are unknown drones hovering over New Jersey. We know that the President of the United States has been incapacitated for years.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  For years.

• 1:19:31Joe Rogan?

  No way. Who saw that coming?

• 1:19:34Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 1:19:35Joe Rogan?

  We were conspiracy theorists.

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  Not anymore.

• 1:19:38Joe Rogan?

  We were conspiracy theorists.

• 1:19:40Speaker 01

  Now our shit is like mainstream, just basic journalism. The fucking president of the United States has apparently been out of commission for years.

• 1:19:52Joe Rogan?

  By the way, I welcome him on my podcast. He has an open invitation.

• 1:19:56Speaker 01

  God damn it, that'd be awesome.

• 1:19:57Joe Rogan?

  Anytime.

• 1:19:58Speaker 01

  And he would, he would be fun. Like.

• 1:20:00Joe Rogan?

  I hope so now.

• 1:20:01Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 1:20:02Joe Rogan?

  We'd have to give him a little nap in the middle of the podcast, but then wake him up, throw some water on him.

• 1:20:06Speaker 01

  But when he, when, when like, he's all there, when they got the cocktail right, and he's like dialed in, and he, he turns into a warlock for a second, like, you know what I mean? It's scary.

• 1:20:20Joe Rogan?

  When the eyebrows move up.

• 1:20:22Speaker 01

  Dude, it's, it's.

• 1:20:22Joe Rogan?

  Locks up.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  That's like something, that's a lich. That's like if you were in a cursed tomb and that thing comes around the corner. That is scary. Like his, whatever, the, the, the soron that comes out of him before he like goes back to sleep is terrifying. But even more terrifying is the network of people around him. You know, you see those, uh, it's really cool, the dancing dragons. It's like six dudes in a dragon suit dancing and it looks like a real dragon dancing.

• 1:20:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right, right, right.

• 1:20:53Speaker 01

  Biden is the dancing dragon of presidents. He's got god knows how many people just fucking like working so hard to get that thing to, to function. Just in like brief moments. You only need him to function for like 10 minutes at a press conference, 20 minutes here. Get him off the plane, get him in the fucking building. If we can pull that off, we'll have power for a little bit longer, a little bit longer. Dude, when you consider that, we apparently live in a democracy. You elect this dude who makes decisions because in some way, shape or form, he aligns with what you want the country to be. And the people fucking puppeteering that, that poor old man are just like, no, actually fuck you.

• 1:21:36Speaker 01

  He's not going to make any fucking decisions because he's incapacitated. He's gone, gone with the fucking wind. And now we're in control and you didn't vote for us. That is terrifying. That is so, that's in a way, that's worse than a coup. Because at least with a coup. You see the military, they come in, the tanks are in front of the White House. Some dude is suddenly the leader and you know it's not the guy you voted for.

• 1:22:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was certainly, by definition, it was a coup against Biden.

• 1:22:07Speaker 01

  Oh, with Kamala?

• 1:22:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:09Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:10Joe Rogan?

  I mean, by, isn't that by definition? Or does a coup have to be military?

• 1:22:14Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no, no, that was-

• 1:22:15Joe Rogan?

  What's the definition of a coup?

• 1:22:17Speaker 01

  I think a coup is just when you've-

• 1:22:18Joe Rogan?

  Is it just like a, some sort of a conspiracy to-

• 1:22:23Speaker 01

  Overthrow the leader and install a new leader.

• 1:22:25Joe Rogan?

  That's it, right?

• 1:22:26Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 1:22:26Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't have to be violent, right?

• 1:22:28Speaker 01

  That's right. And, and what a brilliant coup.

• 1:22:30Joe Rogan?

  The bell. It does have to be violent?

• 1:22:32Speaker 05

  Definition, sudden violent unlawful seizure.

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  I guess we have to redefine that.

• 1:22:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:38Speaker 01

  But, because again-

• 1:22:39Joe Rogan?

  That's interesting. Is there any other coup d'etat?

• 1:22:42Speaker 01

  Maybe-

• 1:22:42Joe Rogan?

  Right. I know it comes from that, but, um-

• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  Is there a difference between a coup and a coup d'etat? What's a coup?

• 1:22:49Joe Rogan?

  I think it is coup d'etat. That's the actual definition.

• 1:22:51Speaker 01

  What's coup?

• 1:22:52Speaker 05

  It's the same thing.

• 1:22:52Joe Rogan?

  It's the same thing.

• 1:22:53Speaker 01

  A sudden violent, um-

• 1:22:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:55Speaker 05

  In America.

• 1:22:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, it's essentially, we shortened it. Um, but, so it's, it, it does say violent, but if there's a bunch of people that conspire behind the scenes and they force you out and your wife doesn't want you to get forced out and then there's all these arguments and then you wear a MAGA hat and then, and your wife wears red when she votes.

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:20Joe Rogan?

  Like, eh, eh.

• 1:23:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, you send the signal.

• 1:23:23Joe Rogan?

  And then your wife gives a speech where she's mocking Kamala Harris.

• 1:23:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:27Joe Rogan?

  She's talking about joy and like the joy, like just nonsensical fucking word salad.

• 1:23:32Speaker 01

  Dude, I know, I saw that. It's like, they're so pissed.

• 1:23:35Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of a coup. It seems like it's kind of a coup. And also, the right thing to do. That guy should not be, he might have won. I mean, it was the right thing to do in terms of like, you can't have a guy who's just a figurehead. That's not what the deal is. The deal is, this guy is going to be doing his best to look out for us and to make sure that he navigates this world of finance and environment and international relations perfectly where he doesn't blow anything up and he makes our economy happier. Go.

• 1:24:07Speaker 01

  Go.

• 1:24:07Joe Rogan?

  That's the, that's the deal.

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, but the, again, like-

• 1:24:11Joe Rogan?

  You can't like have only a mask. Like, who's running the deal?

• 1:24:15Speaker 01

  Well, that was, so, okay, so again, it's like, and this is the fantasy of any hippie or whatever. So, the idea is, um- Predicted in the new age movement, and I think you'd argue in a lot of religions, is the consciousness shift is happening, the age of Aquarius, whatever the fuck you want to call it, consciousness shift. And so, the idea is that what we're witnessing is essentially the collapse of a way of doing things that is collapsing, and as it collapses, it starts making big mistakes. One big mistake would be, people figure out that we have

• 1:24:59Speaker 01

  had a president who is basically incapacitated, meaning we don't really need a president. The whole model starts falling apart. Also, when you realize, like, if you watch basketball, or skateboarding, watch skateboarding now versus skateboarding when people started skateboarding. Like, the tricks like people are doing now versus what they used to do, right? And you see how quickly people, when something's fun or important, how quickly it evolves, right? Right. So, the coup is problematic in that, again, you know a coup has happened. The

• 1:25:38Speaker 01

  ultimate coup is to have a figurehead. Now, you know, it's a hacky trope, I guess, the idea being that, like, every president is just a fucking puppet, right? But, the problem with that puppet is that, like, these are puppets who actually do have power. They will make decisions, even if there's a lot of pressure from god knows whatever the web of unknown people is that tries to, like, grab the steering wheel, they can say no. So, that's a problem. So, if I want to control the steering wheel completely, dude, what's better than an old man who has dementia?

• 1:26:20Speaker 01

  Because I could tell him shit happened that didn't happen. I could show him news sources that aren't even real. You know what I mean? I could literally like just-

• 1:26:28Joe Rogan?

  He probably pretends to be able to read. His eyes are probably gone.

• 1:26:31Speaker 01

  Dude, absolutely.

• 1:26:33Joe Rogan?

  Probably pretends.

• 1:26:33Speaker 01

  Absolutely, and then the other side of it, aside from it's a coup, it's completely unconstitutional, it's a fucked up takeover of the US government. If you just look at the abuse of like the right thing to do when you have a president, a bus driver, whoever who's got senile dementia, is to say, "Hey, guys, he's really sick, and he can't do the job anymore, and we have to find somebody else to do the job now." That's the right thing to do. But these motherfuckers are like, "No, no, no, no, no, no. We'll lose our jobs. We're in the fucking cabinet."

• 1:27:12Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. They're like, "We don't want a primary." Because if another Democrat comes in, if Shapiro comes in, if Newsom comes in, whole new cabinet.

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:27:20Joe Rogan?

  Everybody knew. Everybody knew.

• 1:27:22Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 1:27:22Joe Rogan?

  Everybody wants to keep their job.

• 1:27:23Speaker 01

  It's so fucked up.

• 1:27:26Joe Rogan?

  Even if you are sad that Trump won and you wish Kamala Harris won, if she did win, it would be the first time that anybody won without winning a primary.

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:27:37Joe Rogan?

  And that's kind of crazy. And it's not a good precedent to set. It's not good to let people weasel around the system that we have in place. And by having a vice president and then immediately appointing them as the Democratic candidate, that's kind of illegal. It seems like it's kind of illegal. Is it illegal?

• 1:27:55Speaker 01

  Well, dude, I mean-

• 1:27:56Joe Rogan?

  Should it be illegal? How about, let me say this. That should be illegal.

• 1:27:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:28:00Joe Rogan?

  You should have to have a vote from the people to decide who their Democratic elected person who's going to run for president is.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:28:08Joe Rogan?

  That's the whole deal.

• 1:28:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:11Joe Rogan?

  Maybe people didn't vote for you when you were running for president, which is a fact. And so then when you ran for vice president, or when he chose you as vice president, all of a sudden we're supposed to pretend that you're a really good candidate for president? When like- We, let's find out what the people think. If you guys believe that she's the best person for the job, the whole idea is supposed to be sell it, and then people vote. Like, really vote, actually vote.

• 1:28:36Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:28:37Joe Rogan?

  Don't fuck with the vote.

• 1:28:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:38Joe Rogan?

  Don't, the mail-in ballots seem kinda odd, let's not do that.

• 1:28:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:42Joe Rogan?

  Nixon was talking about how they could be rigged in the 70s.

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:45Joe Rogan?

  Let's just do it in person, like we always do.

• 1:28:47Speaker 01

  That's right, man.

• 1:28:47Joe Rogan?

  Just vote.

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  The idea is, like, if I'm a kidnapper, and I kidnap you, uh, and I, I don't know, knock you out or something, you come to and I explain, "We're married", I need to pull that off. "We're now married, I've just kidnapped somebody, but now they think that we're married." What I'm saying is, uh, you know, if you're gaslighting,

• 1:29:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:11Speaker 01

  you really need to execute perfectly. Gaslighting, and so the, the problem with, and I think this is the buried fucking headline in the drones, in the Kamala coup, the, the, the president with senile dementia, is that all of these actions taken by the federal government have not just corroded people's trust in the federal government, but potentially, like, annihilated it.

• 1:29:39Joe Rogan?

  Annihilated it.

• 1:29:40Speaker 01

  Meaning now,

• 1:29:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:42Speaker 01

  you know, if I'm kidnapped by somebody, and they're like, "No, here's why I kidnapped you", oh god, there's that great movie where, like, somebody ends up in someone's survival bunker, and you wonder, "Is it really the end of the world, or is this person kidnapped you", saying, "You can't go out there", but it's like, the idea is, uh, the moment, if, if I've been kidnapped and I actually buy into your shit, that's gonna create a lot less anxiety for me. But, the moment your kidnapper stops believing you, whoa, that's not fun for anybody, and right now, I feel like that's the general mood, is people just don't trust at, like,

• 1:30:19Joe Rogan?

  And the people that do have Stockholm syndrome.

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  That's it, dude.

• 1:30:22Joe Rogan?

  That's it.

• 1:30:22Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 1:30:23Joe Rogan?

  That's it, those are the people that are still getting boosted. I am up to date, I have all nine of my boosters.

• 1:30:28Speaker 01

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:30:29Joe Rogan?

  They've got boosters in their eyeballs, you can see them swimming around behind their eyeballs.

• 1:30:32Speaker 01

  And, and then-

• 1:30:33Joe Rogan?

  Eventually, they're gonna be disappointed.

• 1:30:37Joe Rogan?

  You haven't had your boosters.

• 1:30:38Speaker 01

  That is-

• 1:30:41Speaker 01

  Six feet distance.

• 1:30:45Joe Rogan?

  That's what it felt like, man. That's what it felt like being unvaccinated in the pandemic.

• 1:30:49Speaker 01

  Well.

• 1:30:50Joe Rogan?

  It felt like, like some people looked at you like you were the dirty, like I heard dudes I know. I know them. I've hung out with them. And they were calling people plague rats.

• 1:31:00Speaker 01

  Plague rats.

• 1:31:01Joe Rogan?

  Calling unvaccinated people plague rats.

• 1:31:03Speaker 01

  Listen, this is, um, and you know, maybe you're not supposed to do this, like when you're saying, like you try to find the compassionate way of looking at Kamala Harris.

• 1:31:13Joe Rogan?

  I try to find that with everybody, man. Is that as like an exercise that I've been doing more and more over the last few years? I try to push it all day long.

• 1:31:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:25Joe Rogan?

  There's so many things to get upset about, but there's also, there's so, there's so many good things in the world, too. And we can't fall into the, we're not designed to soak up eight billion people worth of bad news.

• 1:31:39Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:31:39Joe Rogan?

  We're just not designed that way.

• 1:31:40Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:31:41Joe Rogan?

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• 1:34:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:34:29Joe Rogan?

  You haven't seen this?

• 1:34:30Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:34:30Joe Rogan?

  It's so funny, because Don Lemon's doing like these on-the-street interviews, and he's talking to this guy about the news, and the guy is essentially telling Don Lemon, like, "I don't trust all these sources you're saying." He's like, "Look, here it is, Washington Post..." I forget what the subject was. But he got Don Lemon to say, "I don't listen to mainstream news either."

• 1:34:52Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:34:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Play this. Play this from the beginning, because this is so crazy.

• 1:35:01Joe Rogan?

  Who is the real president-elect, do you think? Donald Trump won, I believe.

• 1:35:05Speaker 06

  Democratic lawmakers in Washington are calling Elon Musk President Musk now. They're saying Donald Trump is the Vice President or the Head of Communications. What's, what's, what's, what's, wait a second. No, no one said that. Really? Have you not watched and paid attention to the news? Absolutely not. I'm paying attention to what I'm doing during my day so I can try and get a better life. Okay, do you have your phone with you? I do. Why don't you Google right now? Yes, tell me. President Musk and see what comes out. No. But that's already a loaded question, you realize. Tell me, give me the sources. Axios, Business Insider. We don't trust any of these. The common man doesn't trust any of this. ABC News, Washington Post, New York Times, The Atlantic. I don't trust any of these. I don't trust any of them. I don't trust any of these. We're the common man. We don't trust any of these. No one trusts the government. No one trusts the common news. We don't trust any of that anymore.

• 1:35:50Speaker 06

  Independent news, we are the ones that own the news now. People trust me. They don't trust MSNBC because I can't be actually one of them. Can't disagree with you. Okay, well then. A lot of people come to me saying, "I only watch, I don't watch corporate media anymore."

• 1:36:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he said a lot of people coming to him. I misunderstood. I got a hard on when I saw that.

• 1:36:09Speaker 01

  Dude, that is incredible.

• 1:36:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, that guy just geniously broke down this illogical assumption that because it's on these accepted sources, it must be true. Like, oh, he's President Musk. Maybe we have the good guy, super genius on our side. And this idea that he's doing it for money, hey, you fucking halfwits, he has all the money. He has more money than anybody. He's simultaneously running multiple businesses that are at the peak, the cutting edge of technology. Shut the fuck up and let him cook. Let him cook!

• 1:36:47Speaker 01

  Also, though, when you, when you realize, like, this is like, you know, when the DNC starts astroturfing Reddit, when the DNC starts astroturfing 4chan, when the DNC started doing that using all that fucking money, and it's so funny because the astroturfing, after she lost, it just stopped.

• 1:37:06Joe Rogan?

  Explain astroturfing to people.

• 1:37:07Speaker 01

  So, the idea is like, I infiltrate message boards, post political messages disguised as like some...

• 1:37:15Speaker 01

  Somebody just putting a post up, I try to redirect the conversation or essentially imply a consensus that doesn't exist. And so there's ways of manipulating the algorithm, apparently on the DNC's Discord server, they were talking about the best ways and times to post on Reddit to attempt to move the fucking needle. So

• 1:37:35Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of amazing, isn't it?

• 1:37:37Speaker 01

  It should be illegal. It's so fucked up. If like you are me-

• 1:37:42Joe Rogan?

  Full on propaganda.

• 1:37:43Speaker 01

  Like if we, if, I don't know, we did a Renegade Rogue commercial for nicotine pouches on Instagram, you have to say, this is a sponsored post. So why is it that if you work for the DNC or volunteer for any state entity, you don't have to say, also, I'm doing this as a volunteer for the DNC. I, that's why I posted this. You don't have to do that.

• 1:38:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38:04Speaker 01

  So that's invasion of the body snatchers. That's the, ah, I'm pretending to be a normal person. I'm infecting the data sphere with propaganda and if I do it enough, it will create the illusion that this is the consensus. And the reason you want to create that illusion is because people like to sync up. That's what they know.

• 1:38:26Joe Rogan?

  They love to sync up. And really smart people like to get really good at syncing up. They like to get really good at it and really good at correcting others who don't sync up correctly.

• 1:38:36Speaker 01

  There you go. Sync up.

• 1:38:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And you know what it is? It's just dorks. It's dorks. And dorks have found a thing.

• 1:38:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:38:43Joe Rogan?

  You've found a thing. Maybe your thing could have been chess. It's not. It's politics. And maybe, you know what I mean?

• 1:38:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:38:48Joe Rogan?

  Like whatever your thing is-

• 1:38:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:49Joe Rogan?

  That's what's really going on. And your denial of objective reality in order to win, it exposes you. It exposes you to people in this new world that are recognizing-

• 1:39:05Joe Rogan?

  That we are the only people that have ever gone through this. And we are in this insane moment of realization about how much we've been bullshitted and manipulated in the past. How much of all of our resources are going to things that we would never agree to.

• 1:39:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:26Joe Rogan?

  And, and how much of this chaos is being pushed upon us by people who are profiting from it in a fucking spectacular way. That's almost indescribable.

• 1:39:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:39Joe Rogan?

  Insane amounts of money.

• 1:39:41Speaker 01

  Insane amounts.

• 1:39:42Joe Rogan?

  And control of the narrative and it's not working.

• 1:39:45Speaker 01

  It's not working.

• 1:39:45Joe Rogan?

  It's still not working!

• 1:39:46Speaker 01

  It's not working.

• 1:39:47Joe Rogan?

  It's not working, you and I and Jamie in a fucking room.

• 1:39:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:54Joe Rogan?

  Are working.

• 1:39:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:39:55Joe Rogan?

  That's not working. What they're doing is not working because people are getting information from multiple sources now. And the sources that aren't reliable, like that guy listed off, they're dying off.

• 1:40:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:08Joe Rogan?

  You know, the New York Times app is, uh, more people use it for Wordle than anything. Like, New York Times has essentially become a gaming company.

• 1:40:14Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 1:40:15Joe Rogan?

  See if that's true. I don't want to get sued. I'm pretty sure it's true.

• 1:40:18Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, Wordle is fun.

• 1:40:20Joe Rogan?

  I'm, I'm sure it's fun.

• 1:40:21Speaker 05

  I think it's a separate app.

• 1:40:22Joe Rogan?

  Is it a separate app?

• 1:40:23Speaker 05

  Pretty sure.

• 1:40:24Joe Rogan?

  Or is it that Wordle gets...

• 1:40:25Speaker 01

  Do you mind if I have more of this?

• 1:40:26Joe Rogan?

  I do mind.

• 1:40:27Speaker 05

  That's, yeah, they probably get more activity.

• 1:40:28Joe Rogan?

  I'm tired of you drinking. No.

• 1:40:28Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:40:29Joe Rogan?

  I'm kidding. Is that what it is?

• 1:40:30Speaker 05

  It's probably that.

• 1:40:31Joe Rogan?

  Um, so that Wordle gets more activity for the company. That's what essentially, yeah, there was a, a graph. I was too lazy to read the whole graph. But it was, uh, breaking down how Wordle is more used than anything.

• 1:40:43Speaker 01

  Well, listen, this is...

• 1:40:45Joe Rogan?

  Is it true? Let's make sure that's true. Otherwise, we'll have to cut this out. I don't want New York Times on my ass.

• 1:40:50Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, that would suck. It sucks so bad.

• 1:40:54Joe Rogan?

  They've done it before. It's just, that's their job. That's their job. You know, they're just like, that shouldn't be a job where you're, um... There you go. New York Times games are more popular than its news. If that's what you want it to be, but here's the thing, it's not necessary anymore. And I think that through the rise of independent journalism, one of the things we're really realizing is that all something has, someone has to do is be consistently objective and intelligent and post things and post takes on things like Coleman Hughes or some of these people. Yeah. Consistently intelligent, objective, and then you'll develop a following. Yeah. And then you'll become a reliable source of news. That's right.

• 1:41:35Joe Rogan?

  Because I know that if I ask Coleman about X, Y, or Z, and he's informed, he's going to give me a very intelligent breakdown of what it is. There's a few people in my life that are like Andrew Huberman. If I have some sort of health-related question, Peter Attia. Right. I have some sort of like, how are they doing this? And what is, is this legitimate? Right. And they'll look at it and they'll analyze it. Yeah. I've sent Huberman stuff and he goes over the data. He's like, this is fascinating. This theoretically should work, you know, and then this will explain why and what the pathways are and how interesting this is. Yeah. It's, it's an amazing resource that wasn't available before to any person. Forget, I mean, it's too difficult.

• 1:42:16Joe Rogan?

  You'd have one line of inquiry, like you have one lane, whether it's archaeology or language, one lane where you're like super well-read in. Yeah. But you don't have access to all this, these other professors that are working on quantum physics. Right. You don't have access to the James Webb telescope people. You don't have access to all this data. It's like, it's too hard to get. Right. Now it's fucking everywhere. Everywhere. It's everywhere, all the time. That's right. It's a question away on your phone. Yeah. It's a question away. You pick up your phone and you just fucking press a button and say, hey, Google, why don't you tell me what the James Webb telescope's been up to? Yeah, hey, ChatGPT, why don't you talk to me like Santa Claus and explain to me why these drones are fake?

• 1:42:58Speaker 01

  The best.

• 1:42:59Joe Rogan?

  Dude, I don't know if the drones are China's, or ours, or water people. They're coming out of the water.

• 1:43:07Speaker 01

  No telling.

• 1:43:08Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if there's a civilization under the water.

• 1:43:10Speaker 01

  I mean, that's where I would hide if I was like trying to hide from a civilization. It's the ocean, it's clear, they can't get in there, they can't breathe under there, it's a perfect place to hide.

• 1:43:18Joe Rogan?

  You know what I've been saying for a while, last few weeks at least? I think maybe what the aliens are is custodians. I think maybe they're just here, they're like some sort of a autonomous creation that's designed to accelerate our evolution, stop us from blowing ourselves up, and make sure that we build the quantum computer with AI.

• 1:43:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:43:42Joe Rogan?

  And that, this is like, it's all a part of this like endless cycle of integration in the great universe. This, and like, we're at this like, "Oh, I don't want to get out of my cocoon." We're in that stage. We're in this like bizarre, strange, you know, Australopithecus wandering around in the grass fields. We're in this weird stage. Where, we're, we're gonna launch into some completely new way of interfacing with the universe itself.

• 1:44:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:11Joe Rogan?

  And it's gonna happen, whether you like it or not.

• 1:44:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:14Joe Rogan?

  And this is just what's happening right now, and that's why everything's so chaotic.

• 1:44:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:44:19Joe Rogan?

  Like McKenna used to talk about this.

• 1:44:20Speaker 01

  Dude, I, yeah.

• 1:44:21Joe Rogan?

  He used to talk about how the end of civilization, it's not gonna be, it's not gonna be a whimper. It's gonna be people screaming in agony.

• 1:44:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's it.

• 1:44:27Joe Rogan?

  Flailing and trying to hold on to the past.

• 1:44:29Speaker 01

  Hold on to the way.

• 1:44:31Joe Rogan?

  Norman Rockwell paintings, I wanna bake my own fucking bread.

• 1:44:34Speaker 01

  You're trying to do a waltz at a rave.

• 1:44:36Joe Rogan?

  How many fucking genders? What are you saying?

• 1:44:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:39Joe Rogan?

  Why are these fucking drones, what, they're drones, goddammit?

• 1:44:43Speaker 01

  It's the meltdown, and, and you know, if you, what you're saying, like, so if you look at like, Crick and, I think it was Crick, wrote the, um... He wrote a paper theorizing about directed panspermia, which is where you put it.

• 1:44:57Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:44:58Speaker 01

  So, okay, directed panspermia, I get some kind of nanobot, which is, I guess you could say that's what DNA is. Nanobot precursor, essentially like, well, I think it's weird. And maybe I don't understand what he's doing completely. It's weird to me that Musk wants to send humans to Mars. Because it seems like it would make way more sense, pre sending humans, to send drones, robots, to construct whatever it is you need to survive on Mars, to go in the caves, build the fucking...

• 1:45:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the plan, Duncan.

• 1:45:29Speaker 01

  Oh, really? So it's not people first?

• 1:45:31Joe Rogan?

  The first voyage to Mars is gonna be unmanned.

• 1:45:34Speaker 01

  Okay, great. That makes sense.

• 1:45:35Joe Rogan?

  I think they have to do that. They have to have a certain amount of supplies, because I think they can only come back in two years.

• 1:45:40Speaker 01

  But I don't even mean supplies. I mean, if we jump for 20 years...

• 1:45:44Joe Rogan?

  Bro, how about missing that bus?

• 1:45:46Speaker 01

  The Mars bus?

• 1:45:47Joe Rogan?

  The two-year bus? Oh Duncan, you were late. You slept in.

• 1:45:50Speaker 01

  That's hilarious.

• 1:45:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you missed the bus.

• 1:45:52Speaker 01

  You watched the rocket go up.

• 1:45:54Joe Rogan?

  No. No, nobody woke me?

• 1:45:58Speaker 01

  Fucking hilarious.

• 1:45:59Joe Rogan?

  You cocksuckers. Imagine if like Duncan is such a fucking douchebag, let's leave him here. Let's leave him on Mars. There's plenty of potatoes. He can live.

• 1:46:06Speaker 01

  That is so fucked up.

• 1:46:08Joe Rogan?

  Fuck him. Make him fertilize his potatoes with his own shit, like...

• 1:46:11Speaker 01

  Damon.

• 1:46:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like Matt Damon did in that Martian movie.

• 1:46:15Speaker 01

  Dude, so you, if, so obviously like the way you're gonna wanna colonize habitable worlds is, you create not just this nanobot, but you make it so the nanobot can only survive in environments that you would live in. Meaning, and then encoded in the nanobot is the end destination, what you're talking about. The quantum computers, some kind of AI that then will naturally uncover faster than light travel, wormholes, whatever the fuck it is. And then when the wormholes open up, you can instantaneously travel to habitable planets, right? So...

• 1:46:49Joe Rogan?

  Can I tell you Terrence Howard's idea?

• 1:46:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:52Joe Rogan?

  It's a great idea.

• 1:46:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:54Joe Rogan?

  He thinks that we have it all wrong when it comes to the formation of planets and the creation of life. He thinks what happens is, the sun is constantly ejecting things, right? You see these coronal mass ejections, crazy, millions of times like longer than, you know, the distance between whatever and whatever. I'm, I don't know.

• 1:47:17Speaker 01

  She's scary.

• 1:47:19Joe Rogan?

  Crazy, bigger than Earth, right? That he thinks these particles coalesce in space outside of the gravity of the sun and they they orbit the sun and very close at first, but then as time goes on, they move further and further away.

• 1:47:32Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:47:33Joe Rogan?

  And they get to a place where they're in this position like Earth is and then they people.

• 1:47:38Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:47:38Joe Rogan?

  They flower, just like when you plant a seed, when the water comes.

• 1:47:43Speaker 01

  So cool.

• 1:47:43Joe Rogan?

  He goes, and then it has to be sophisticated enough to adapt because the planet is eventually going to move out of the habitable zone.

• 1:47:51Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:47:52Joe Rogan?

  And he thinks that Mars at one point in time probably had civilization and life. And then as Mars got further and further and further out from the protection of the sun, it eventually got too cold and it eventually got hit by something, it lost its atmosphere, and now it's just desert.

• 1:48:10Speaker 01

  That's so cool.

• 1:48:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, now they know there's water on Mars.

• 1:48:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:13Joe Rogan?

  They know. It used to be just the craziest of conspiracy theories. Oh, there's no water on Mars?

• 1:48:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:18Joe Rogan?

  There's no evidence of water. How could a society live there? But, you know, this is the nuttiest of nutty, but some remote viewer went to Mars a million years ago and said there were pyramids there.

• 1:48:31Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:48:32Joe Rogan?

  And there was a civilization there.

• 1:48:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:34Joe Rogan?

  And you know, um, there's tribes, no, actually, they think they came from the planet Sirius, right? Like the Dogon tribe?

• 1:48:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:41Joe Rogan?

  They believe that all people came from from another planet.

• 1:48:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:44Joe Rogan?

  If you were in Mars and you're a thousand years advanced from us and they never figure out AI, so they could just go in a different direction, they're like super, super advanced though, where they could travel through the space between the planets. And you get to a point where you're like, hey, guys, we got about a decade.

• 1:49:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:01Joe Rogan?

  We got about one decade where life can exist on this fucking planet. We gotta get off of this now. Earth is ready. There's some monkeys there, there's a bunch of shit there. It's like, you know, we could, we could just go there.

• 1:49:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:15Joe Rogan?

  We should go there.

• 1:49:16Speaker 01

  Well.

• 1:49:16Joe Rogan?

  And then we just munked around with them. Like, these guys are developing like really slowly, like, why don't we do that? And then Homo sapiens. Yay, look, Homo sapiens.

• 1:49:24Speaker 01

  There you go. Man, listen, the, whatever it is.

• 1:49:27Joe Rogan?

  It's definitely not what I just described.

• 1:49:29Speaker 01

  No! Whatever it is, it's not bad.

• 1:49:31Joe Rogan?

  I wasn't believing it as. I was saying that I was like, that's crazy.

• 1:49:34Speaker 01

  But dude, you know, I think.

• 1:49:35Joe Rogan?

  But maybe.

• 1:49:36Speaker 01

  You look at just the concept of epigenetics and what we're doing right now. You look at the statistical probability of DNA evolving based on the age of the planet. You look at these things and not just that, you look at the mythologies of the world. It all points towards some kind of advanced intelligence bioengineering a planet for some reason or another. I mean, even like, have you ever read the parable of the sower? You know that? Jesus, Jesus said, can you, do you mind pulling that up, Jamie? I don't have it memorized yet. The parable of the sower. When you think.

• 1:50:16Joe Rogan?

  How do you say, how do you spell?

• 1:50:18Speaker 01

  Sower, S O W E R.

• 1:50:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, like a sow, like sowing things?

• 1:50:21Speaker 01

  No, like planting seeds.

• 1:50:22Joe Rogan?

  Sower of seeds, right?

• 1:50:24Speaker 01

  Planner, the parable of the sower. But when you think about this, generally, this is the idea of like, there's people who are gonna like, understand Jesus is God, but if you look at it as an extraterrestrial intelligence planting seeds on planets versus it becomes this like crazy. The sower is the, yeah, the parable of the sower.

• 1:50:46Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:50:49Speaker 01

  Though seeing they do not see, though hearing they do not hear or understand. And then, where is it? Oh, yeah. Got, and he told, a farmer went out to sow a seed. As he was scattering the seeds, some fell along the path and the birds ate it up. Some fell on rocky places where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly because the soil was shallow, but when the sun came up, the plants were scorched and they withered because they had no root. Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. Still, other seed fell on good soil where it produced a crop 160 or 30 times what was sown. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

• 1:51:26Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:51:29Joe Rogan?

  Listen to this. The disciples came to him and asked, why do you speak to the people in parables? He replied, because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever, whoever has will be given more and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables. I'd be like, bro, what the fuck did you say? Can you break that down? If I had that guy on the podcast, if I had God on the podcast, I'm like, okay.

• 1:52:02Joe Rogan?

  Do you have friends? Okay, when you talk to friends, like, you should, when you say, like, complicated things, you should make them make sense. So, um, I know you're smart, you made the whole universe.

• 1:52:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:12Joe Rogan?

  I'm not being disrespectful, sir. But, what did you just say?

• 1:52:15Speaker 01

  Well, let me answer it.

• 1:52:16Joe Rogan?

  Why do you speak in parables?

• 1:52:17Speaker 01

  In a parable, you see, imagine a flower growing from stone. Sometimes the stone is angry at the flower, but sometimes the stone glows with light. This is why.

• 1:52:28Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, is it because we teach kids that way, kind of? We kind of teach kids almost in parables.

• 1:52:37Speaker 01

  Well, I'm-

• 1:52:38Joe Rogan?

  We teach kids like a simplistic form of everything.

• 1:52:42Speaker 01

  Well, I think it's an acknowledgement of a kind of spectrum of intelligence, right? It's like-

• 1:52:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:52:48Speaker 01

  The idea is like, let me give you a little data fractal here.

• 1:52:51Joe Rogan?

  That's why it's so rude when someone talks down to you.

• 1:52:53Speaker 01

  Oh, the worst.

• 1:52:54Joe Rogan?

  When someone's like, "I don't know if you know." "But let me explain to you."

• 1:52:59Speaker 01

  Oh, please.

• 1:52:59Joe Rogan?

  "What's wrong with the way you're thinking."

• 1:53:01Speaker 01

  I can't wait to hear.

• 1:53:03Joe Rogan?

  It's the grossest way to talk to people ever.

• 1:53:05Speaker 01

  It is, it's, it's absolutely a sign of low intelligence if you're so idiotic that you think-

• 1:53:11Joe Rogan?

  And you're being mean.

• 1:53:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, but how do you think-

• 1:53:13Joe Rogan?

  But you're, you're deciding to be mean about a, a point of discussion.

• 1:53:19Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:53:19Joe Rogan?

  That's what it is, you're deciding to be mean. Instead of saying, um, "I, uh, I have a lot of knowledge about this, if we could, if I could tell you what I know." "All right, this is why I believe what you're saying is not true."

• 1:53:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:31Joe Rogan?

  "Because I actually have a PhD in this, and this is how we know this, and this is how we know that."

• 1:53:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:53:36Joe Rogan?

  And then, and then you go, "Oh." That's essentially what Eric Weinstein did to Terrence Howard.

• 1:53:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:53:41Joe Rogan?

  So when Terrence Howard was on the podcast, there was a lot of things that you're saying that were true and really fascinating, and very interesting. He's a very brilliant guy.

• 1:53:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:48Joe Rogan?

  Eric Weinstein is a legitimate PhD in mathematics.

• 1:53:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:53:51Joe Rogan?

  And he's super fucking crazy scary smart. And he was, and he said to him, he said, "Look, I'm not giving you peer review." He goes, "I'm not a peer, you're not my peer." He goes, "I'm an expert, I'm giving you an expert review." "I'm saying you have a lot of really interesting ideas, just stop teaching people, stop, stop teach-" "It's offensive to the people that actually do this for a living, that's all it is." "It doesn't, you are like-" And this is what he said of him. He said, he's one of us. He just went down a different path.

• 1:54:14Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:54:15Joe Rogan?

  But he's a brilliant guy who has a strong desire to understand the universe.

• 1:54:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:21Joe Rogan?

  Strong desire to understand things, but he's not, you have to go down the path of peers. You have to go down the path of, you gotta be with all these other legitimate people to bounce these ideas about. And the only way you're really gonna get in, you have to find some online community of legitimate people that accept you. You have to be invited into something, or you have to fucking attend a university, like all the others did. That's, that's how you find out, especially when it comes to shit like mathematics. Boy, you know, when you're talking about like things like physics, like, boy, you need, you need, that's, these are cold, hard, fact-based disciplines. Like, you need to be around the people that are the cream of the crop of that. That's it.

• 1:54:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right, man. And, and, and that, I watched some of that. And I loved it because, well, that's what compassion looks like.

• 1:55:11Joe Rogan?

  You got to see also that Terrence is a good guy.

• 1:55:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:55:14Joe Rogan?

  He didn't get upset. He didn't get angry.

• 1:55:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, it wasn't designed to humiliate.

• 1:55:17Joe Rogan?

  It wasn't at all. And it was also an acknowledgement that a lot of his ideas are really fucking good. That peopling idea is really fucking good. The other thing that he has that he invented, you've seen that linchpin thing that he invented?

• 1:55:28Speaker 01

  I saw something like that.

• 1:55:29Joe Rogan?

  It's like modular drone technology. That can like be used for construction and fucking moving giant girders and shit.

• 1:55:36Speaker 01

  Create a vortex or something.

• 1:55:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, they all link together. It's like a geometric pattern, but the nerdiest of nerdy things was Weinstein calling him out on the degree of the angle of one of the like fucking calculations that he made. I don't even remember exactly what it was. He goes, you had to cheat that, right?

• 1:55:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:55:54Joe Rogan?

  And he's like, yeah, I did. I did that to make it work. And he's like, ah. And they were really fucking with each other because he understood why there would be something problematic about linking all these specific geometric patterns. And then he had to make some slight adjustment to make them link up perfectly.

• 1:56:09Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 1:56:10Joe Rogan?

  Super nerd talk.

• 1:56:11Speaker 01

  Inside baseball comedians do it too. Like when we're like breaking down a joke and like the, like the, to a minute pause or something. It's the same thing. But yeah, man, I mean, this, this was, this is what I love when you read about the history of science. You read about like famous physicists getting in real, like intense fights with each other.

• 1:56:35Speaker 01

  And you see that the process of discovering the truth does involve a kind of mutual curiosity, but not being afraid to say, "This is fucking wrong." But allowing the other person to fire back because you both know that via this conflict, potentially you discover something new. And that was the attitude. I mean, like, this whole thing where suddenly normal people aren't supposed to engage in science is really fucked up when you look at like the history of science, which used to be maniacs like Newton, who they analyzed his hair. Mercury in his fucking hair.

• 1:57:18Joe Rogan?

  Bro, everything had poisoned it back then.

• 1:57:20Speaker 01

  Well, no, but he was experimenting with mercury. He was interested. He's like building scale replicas of the Temple of Solomon. You know, like, you look at that and you see that. Now, Newton today, you know, somebody like Don Lemon would be like, "Oh, really? So you're gonna believe Isaac fucking Newton? With mercury in his hair and his little dollhouse like the Temple of Solomon? Oh, yeah, he's a real scientist." That's not what they look like. It's like, these people are out of their fucking minds. Sigmund Freud, just injecting fucking liquid cocaine into his veins. You look at like the history-

• 1:57:56Joe Rogan?

  Freaking out about his mom.

• 1:57:57Speaker 01

  Freaking out about his mom, fucking shoving cigars up his ass. I don't think he really did that, but I wouldn't be surprised.

• 1:58:03Joe Rogan?

  I wouldn't be surprised.

• 1:58:04Speaker 01

  But, you know, you look at the history of what brilliant people who have shifted the culture actually behave. Like Tesla? Fucking Tesla? Like, I don't know.

• 1:58:14Joe Rogan?

  He was in love with his pigeon.

• 1:58:15Speaker 01

  In love with a pigeon, didn't want to, like, the thought about castrating himself because his sex drive was getting in the way of his research. So he's like, "I'll just chop my dick off."

• 1:58:24Joe Rogan?

  I think he did, dude. I think there was a description of him destroying his sexuality.

• 1:58:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude. So you sort of like realize that, for whatever reason, the priest class of default reality, of which Don Lemon is a high priest, have suddenly created this ridiculous version of scientists, of philosophers, of intellectuals that are domesticated.

• 1:58:48Speaker 01

  People, normal fucking people, is actually really awful in the sense that all of the like philosophers and scientists out there today, who are like, you know, in their filthy fucking apartments, who've been staring into a candle for like five hours, they're not thinking like, "I'm a scientist." They might be, you don't know, like, this, this, this new, basically like, it appears that the power structures in the world want to create this homogeneous version of humanity, within which there's all these declawed people who completely align on a few ridiculous facts.

• 1:59:32Joe Rogan?

  Absolutely, and you can make those people very clawed if you bond them together to attack anybody who doesn't stay in line.

• 1:59:39Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:59:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:40Speaker 01

  That's right, and that is what, again, like a coup or you, you get rid of the president, at least you know it's not the president, tyranny, where you don't have soldiers in the streets, but a kind of societal pressure, an unending pressure trying to push-

• 1:59:58Joe Rogan?

  Online bots.

• 2:00:00Speaker 01

  TikTok, the reels, the algorithm, like, dude, have you ever looked at pendulum sync up?

• 2:00:04Joe Rogan?

  But I don't watch TikTok, I don't have TikTok.

• 2:00:07Speaker 01

  I know, it sucks, because I try to send you some TikTok shit and you can't look at it.

• 2:00:10Joe Rogan?

  I won't click on it.

• 2:00:11Speaker 01

  But, I don't, the, the, the-

• 2:00:14Joe Rogan?

  They probably already infected my phone, just because you sent me those links.

• 2:00:17Speaker 01

  I'm sorry.

• 2:00:17Joe Rogan?

  It's probably in the user agreement.

• 2:00:19Speaker 01

  I still send them-

• 2:00:19Joe Rogan?

  We agree to infect other people's phones every time you send them a link.

• 2:00:22Speaker 01

  I keep hoping you all have like, I, I, I try not to-

• 2:00:25Joe Rogan?

  I'm not giving in.

• 2:00:26Speaker 01

  Well, it's, it is so incredibly hypnotic, like, it is so advanced in what it does, but-

• 2:00:33Joe Rogan?

  Not interested.

• 2:00:34Speaker 01

  It's really creepy though, because like, it's, it's syncing us, it's homogenizing people, and that's what I don't like, is like, it's creating this synced up, and it's creepy, because like, the TikTok dance is actually, if you think about it, it's really a symbol of what it's doing for a lot of other things, like, maybe you're not doing a choreographed dance with your family in front of the Christmas tree to some dumb song, but why is it that everything you say, I've read- I've seen written exactly in the same way on Reddit. Why is it that every opinion you have matches? Not just like the idea doesn't match, but the way you're verbalizing the idea. How is it is like a sentence that I've heard over and over and over again in different places? That is so spooky to me.

• 2:01:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:20Speaker 01

  So to me like that. And also that it's called TikTok, which in my fucking paranoid universe, I keep thinking, is that the TikTok of a metronome that they're talking about? Getting people to dance to a certain cultural BPM?

• 2:01:34Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, I'm gonna send you something. I'm not sure if it's true, so I want you to find out if it's true. And it was, someone was saying that there's a whole series of, I saved it on Twitter. It's a link on Twitter. That's what it is. There's a whole series of people who are claiming to be doctors saying the exact same thing.

• 2:01:56Speaker 01

  I saw that. I know what you're talking about. I don't know.

• 2:01:58Joe Rogan?

  The problem with those things is like people bullshit. And when people bull, here it is. I'll send it to you, Jamie. When people bullshit, it's really hard to tell. You know, because if you change this and, you know, create this in Photoshop. And then people start spreading it, then all of a sudden that narrative gets out and most people don't ever hear, oh, no, no, no, somebody made that in Photoshop.

• 2:02:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:02:19Joe Rogan?

  So by the time it gets around, it's like, I don't know. I don't know if it's true or not.

• 2:02:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:02:23Joe Rogan?

  These are one of those. So it's like if that's true and if all these doctors were tweeting out the exact same verbiage, exactly. I wonder if that's a mandate. I wonder if they're sent something like a mass email.

• 2:02:38Speaker 01

  Mass email.

• 2:02:38Joe Rogan?

  That says, copy and paste this perhaps.

• 2:02:41Speaker 01

  Discord server.

• 2:02:42Joe Rogan?

  Or I wonder if they're fake doctors, or I wonder, you know, if it's like some bot program designed to encourage people to go get vaccinated or whatever it was. I just don't know if it was real, so I don't wanna like, I wanna Dr. Jamie to look at it real quick.

• 2:02:56Speaker 01

  Thank you, Jamie.

• 2:02:57Joe Rogan?

  Jamie's super skeptical to the point of being a liberal.

• 2:03:01Speaker 05

  Why does that have to, why does that have to, why does that have to end result?

• 2:03:05Joe Rogan?

  He's triggered, he's triggered.

• 2:03:07Speaker 05

  That narrative gets around and people steal.

• 2:03:08Joe Rogan?

  I know, I know. Jamie's not a liberal, folks.

• 2:03:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:11Joe Rogan?

  Jamie's very, uh, down the middle.

• 2:03:12Speaker 01

  Hey, Jamie's not a liberal.

• 2:03:14Joe Rogan?

  I would say you're, um, you're a centrist. Is that correct?

• 2:03:16Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 2:03:17Joe Rogan?

  I think so, right?

• 2:03:18Speaker 05

  This is weird. I'm just looking at the account. I don't, I'm trying to figure out a way to, to research it.

• 2:03:22Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:03:23Speaker 05

  Twitters or, uh, Google search the image, but.

• 2:03:25Joe Rogan?

  See if the thing has been, uh, community noted.

• 2:03:29Speaker 05

  I do see one different, here's what difference I'm noticing, just looking at it, that the third.

• 2:03:33Joe Rogan?

  Different font.

• 2:03:34Speaker 05

  Well, the third thing that they're saying is a little different, because it's starting to be a joke. Sogma is a joke. It's something that's Sogma net, like Sogma nuts.

• 2:03:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:03:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:03:43Joe Rogan?

  Sogma variant.

• 2:03:44Speaker 05

  Ligma is another one.

• 2:03:44Speaker 01

  Hilarious.

• 2:03:45Joe Rogan?

  Ah, that's hilarious.

• 2:03:47Speaker 01

  That's a brilliant troll.

• 2:03:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's very funny.

• 2:03:49Speaker 05

  It's already in troll space, but.

• 2:03:50Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so it does me, oh, so it could be that a bunch of people just decided to retweet it for funsies?

• 2:03:56Speaker 05

  I, it's, some of them are a response.

• 2:03:58Speaker 01

  Well, why don't you go to their accounts? Look, look up any of these accounts.

• 2:04:01Speaker 05

  That's what I was gonna do next.

• 2:04:01Joe Rogan?

  Or it could have been one of those things where someone got caught. Do you remember when there was this like misinformation video that got out? There was all these local news anchors giving the same exact speech. In verbatim.

• 2:04:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:15Joe Rogan?

  In tune, in time.

• 2:04:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:17Joe Rogan?

  It's really weird.

• 2:04:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:18Joe Rogan?

  Play that, Jamie.

• 2:04:20Speaker 05

  Do you know where that, how that happens?

• 2:04:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they get given some.

• 2:04:24Speaker 01

  You just get the same script.

• 2:04:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's like local news stuff. It's like, uh, I mean, it usually happens with Sinclair media.

• 2:04:29Joe Rogan?

  Right, but it's about misinformation.

• 2:04:31Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, right.

• 2:04:32Joe Rogan?

  And it's, it's weird.

• 2:04:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:04:34Joe Rogan?

  It's weird, because they're basically protecting their job. So what is, they, they've been caught stealing money. You know, they've got a big fucking pot of gold, then, you know, and the people are at the door like, I heard you got gold in there. What you're hearing is misinformation. It's all misinformation. We are the number one source of news and we're dedicated to give you. The true objective.

• 2:04:55Speaker 05

  They're all reciting the same script.

• 2:04:57Joe Rogan?

  Right. Is it, um, what company is it that makes them?

• 2:05:00Speaker 01

  Sinclair.

• 2:05:01Joe Rogan?

  So they make them, let's just play it though, because it's so crazy. That these people are the people that are in charge of giving you the news and they're reading off this thing, pretending that this is the, these are their thoughts. This is what's bizarre about that, where it's untenable. Because people know that those are not their thoughts. They know they're reading off a script.

• 2:05:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:05:20Joe Rogan?

  Everybody knows it. So it doesn't work. You're just making noise with your mouth and people are still on Twitter.

• 2:05:26Speaker 01

  Well, they get.

• 2:05:26Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 2:05:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:27Joe Rogan?

  They're still, they're still like reading what's actually going on versus what you're saying.

• 2:05:32Speaker 01

  Also, you know, you know, they, the idea is you get these people to dress up like humans and then just get them to like, in a, in a, in tone, whatever the fucking thing is you want them to read.

• 2:05:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:41Speaker 01

  And we think they're one of us, and so we believe them.

• 2:05:43Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, did I send you the thing where the girl is, uh, excuse me, the woman, is, uh, giving a, um, a press conference on, uh, the UAPs and the drones? And she's saying, we don't know what they are. They're not ours and they're not an adversaries.

• 2:05:59Speaker 01

  That's, I think.

• 2:06:00Joe Rogan?

  I think I tweeted, I sent it to you, right?

• 2:06:01Speaker 01

  That's the one where she's wearing the UFO necklace. You'll see, she's wearing a UFO necklace.

• 2:06:05Joe Rogan?

  She's a kook. Is she a kook? Who is, who is this lady?

• 2:06:08Speaker 01

  I don't know who she is.

• 2:06:09Joe Rogan?

  Is this like a legit press conference?

• 2:06:09Speaker 01

  All I know is she's in front of a podium, so I trust her.

• 2:06:12Joe Rogan?

  That's what I go by.

• 2:06:13Speaker 01

  It's a podium.

• 2:06:14Joe Rogan?

  If you can get all the way the fuck up there and nobody tackles you.

• 2:06:16Speaker 01

  Must be telling the truth.

• 2:06:17Joe Rogan?

  You gotta be legit.

• 2:06:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:18Joe Rogan?

  You're at the podium.

• 2:06:19Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 2:06:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:20Joe Rogan?

  You're at the sacred scrolls.

• 2:06:21Speaker 01

  There's a flag behind you.

• 2:06:22Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna buy, uh, Arya Torah. You ever see the Torah? It's like in a, or the Talmud.

• 2:06:27Speaker 01

  You can just buy, you're gonna buy the actual scroll?

• 2:06:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, get someone to write it for you.

• 2:06:31Speaker 01

  That's a terrible responsibility for him, because you have to like treat it really carefully.

• 2:06:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 2:06:36Speaker 01

  You have to put it in a vault.

• 2:06:36Joe Rogan?

  They have dudes, they, uh, no, he's gonna keep it in his living room and jerk off on it.

• 2:06:40Speaker 01

  Did he say that?

• 2:06:41Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:06:42Speaker 01

  No, you won't.

• 2:06:42Joe Rogan?

  I said that.

• 2:06:43Speaker 01

  I promise you.

• 2:06:44Joe Rogan?

  He still believes.

• 2:06:45Speaker 01

  He's not gonna jerk off on the Torah, I promise you.

• 2:06:47Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, Talmud.

• 2:06:48Speaker 01

  He's gonna put it, oh, Talmud. The Torah, he won't jerk off on.

• 2:06:56Speaker 01

  Dude, how about this one? Jamie, can you find... You remember that lady they hired for the Ministry of Infor... It wasn't called that, but it was like-

• 2:07:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, Ministry of Disinformation.

• 2:07:05Speaker 01

  Can you find the Ministry of Disinformation lady singing "Super Cala Fragilistic XPLA"? You've seen that, of course you've seen that. That was crazy.

• 2:07:12Joe Rogan?

  Cindy Orwell, I think her name is.

• 2:07:13Speaker 01

  Cindy Orwell.

• 2:07:14Joe Rogan?

  No, it's not her name. I just made that up.

• 2:07:18Speaker 01

  That would be awesome!

• 2:07:21Joe Rogan?

  She's like, she's like such a loon. And this idea that this person's gonna be in charge of what's legitimate and not... There's too many things, and this is what people are realizing. There's too many things that they told us were not legitimate just three years ago that are 100% fact now. And everybody knows that. And this is this, uh, latest, what is it, the House Committee thing on, with Covid and the Wuhan lab leak, and this lady.

• 2:07:45Speaker 01

  This is the craziest shit I've ever seen.

• 2:07:48Joe Rogan?

  Nina Jankovic.

• 2:07:56Speaker 01

  Can you imagine?

• 2:08:01Speaker 01

  They think we're idiots.

• 2:08:17Joe Rogan?

  It's kinda catchy.

• 2:08:18Speaker 01

  I mean, she's beautiful.

• 2:08:20Speaker 05

  Isn't this what Animaniacs did?

• 2:08:23Speaker 01

  This is real!

• 2:08:27Speaker 05

  It feels like Animaniacs to me, you guys might be too old for that.

• 2:08:29Joe Rogan?

  No, I think it's really her.

• 2:08:31Speaker 05

  No, no, I mean, but that, they would give information out in songs like that, song form. And it would be informational, but if you weren't paying attention-

• 2:08:37Joe Rogan?

  But this was like, something that she released when they were talking about her being the Ministry of, the head of the-

• 2:08:42Speaker 05

  I know, I'm just saying it feels like that.

• 2:08:44Joe Rogan?

  Disinformation. I think it's honestly just her trying to go viral with a video about this thing that she's doing. That's what it is. And that's the, it's a good way to go viral. I mean, we just talked about it.

• 2:08:54Speaker 01

  I mean-

• 2:08:54Joe Rogan?

  People share it. Even if it's preposterous, it's a good way to get attention to this thing that you're about to do, and why.

• 2:08:59Speaker 01

  It's fine if, if the United States isn't literally trillions of dollars in debt, and partially because people like that are getting hired to sing fucking Mary Poppins shit songs about misinformation.

• 2:09:14Speaker 01

  Then it's an atrocity.

• 2:09:15Joe Rogan?

  She should get Nancy Pelosi money.

• 2:09:17Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 2:09:17Joe Rogan?

  She should get.

• 2:09:18Speaker 01

  I mean, look, Nancy Pelosi deserves every penny of shit. Bathtub full of diamonds.

• 2:09:23Joe Rogan?

  Just, just crystal and diamonds in the bathtub, just waddle around in it.

• 2:09:34Joe Rogan?

  And just hang in there until that fucking genetic engineering comes, you could be young again.

• 2:09:38Speaker 01

  What was it she said? Joe Biden should be on Mount Rushmore.

• 2:09:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, good call.

• 2:09:44Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 2:09:44Joe Rogan?

  He's definitely not gonna send you in jail. That guy is, uh, oh, this is what I want to talk to you about. Pardons. I'm not opposed to the idea of being pardoned. Because I think that there's like, governors can find out that someone legitimately got railroaded and they, they can pardon someone.

• 2:10:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:03Joe Rogan?

  I like that. I like that. I like that the president can pardon some people, like, I wish they pardoned Ed Snowden. You know, you know, there's a bunch of Julian Assange, they should have pardoned Julian Assange. I wish there was, you know, a way to stop someone from pardoning 8,000 fucking people. And some of them are like murderers. Some of them are the Kids, the Kids for Cash judge.

• 2:10:23Speaker 01

  Kids for Cash.

• 2:10:25Joe Rogan?

  One of them, or one of the people, we talked about this the other day, he's one of the people, he had two years left in his sentence. But still, like, it's the principle of the thing. How many lives were destroyed by that Kids for Cash thing? Were you, how many, how many dehumanizing decisions were made where you decided to lock young people up in detention centers where they would get raped and beaten up and tortured and separated from their family? And sent down a horrible road of distrust of law enforcement and of authority and everything else. Everything else. You're, you're basically setting them up for a life of being a fucking loser. Unless they have the strongest of wills and they could figure out a way to stay positive and get through it

• 2:11:07Joe Rogan?

  and then use that to fuel whatever the fuck they do. That's so rare, man. Those people are so rare.

• 2:11:16Speaker 01

  Well, here's the problem, man. I mean, the problem is, well, number one, I think, okay, like, you pull someone over, you breathalyze them, they're driving drunk, right? So you're like, you can't drive now because you're drunk. So also, you wouldn't say to them, I'm gonna give you the ability to pardon as many people as you want for any crime that you want, right? So if somebody has dementia.

• 2:11:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:11:42Speaker 01

  Why can't they do all the pardons? It's kinda weird.

• 2:11:44Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy.

• 2:11:45Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 2:11:46Joe Rogan?

  That's such a great point that I never even thought of.

• 2:11:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, wait, so...

• 2:11:48Joe Rogan?

  Why would you still give him that power?

• 2:11:50Speaker 01

  Well, the other thing that's really fucking crazy about it is, I don't know what we, the president makes a year, but it's not enough money. We barely pay the president anything, so...

• 2:11:59Joe Rogan?

  I think it's like $400,000.

• 2:12:00Speaker 01

  $400,000 a year.

• 2:12:01Joe Rogan?

  You can't say that's barely enough. That's barely anything.

• 2:12:05Speaker 01

  No, I mean, for the actual jo- I mean, literally every day, you're shitting blood, because no matter what you do, you say the wrong thing, 5,000 people accidentally die. It's the most stressful job on earth. I'm saying the actual thing, theoretically in my mind. So, I would say, you know, in the way that we pay our football players a shit ton of money, baseball players a shit ton of money, the dude theoretically keeping our country from getting nuked should make a lot of money. Why not?

• 2:12:31Joe Rogan?

  How about this? How about we pay him more, but they can't do speeches? No speeches afterwards. No paid speeches when you leave. You can write books. You can write books, but none of those paid bank speeches. None of those $500,000 speeches.

• 2:12:45Speaker 01

  That's so, to me, it's like, on your way out, you sell pardons. On your way out, you, via some god knows what mechanism that's probably been in place for a long time, people are able to give you this or that, and you pardon that person.

• 2:13:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:03Speaker 01

  That's where it's fucked up, is like, dude...

• 2:13:05Joe Rogan?

  Come on, bro.

• 2:13:06Speaker 01

  Like, come on, man.

• 2:13:06Joe Rogan?

  That's trading. That's how it works.

• 2:13:08Speaker 01

  That's how it works.

• 2:13:09Joe Rogan?

  I give you a little this, you give me a little that, and we do it right in front of the world. We're gonna let out murderers.

• 2:13:14Speaker 01

  And then, especially if you got couped. So especially, you got couped, you got humiliated, they didn't give you your drugs...

• 2:13:21Joe Rogan?

  Why isn't he letting out Joe Exotic?

• 2:13:24Speaker 01

  It's insane.

• 2:13:25Joe Rogan?

  Let him out.

• 2:13:26Speaker 01

  Why not?

• 2:13:27Joe Rogan?

  Let him out.

• 2:13:27Speaker 01

  You're gonna do Kids for Cash, you're not gonna do Joe fucking Exotic?

• 2:13:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and how is Joe Exotic DMing me? How is this happening?

• 2:13:33Speaker 01

  I think he, like, cause he knows, cause you will say things like this.

• 2:13:36Joe Rogan?

  Does he have a phone in jail?

• 2:13:38Speaker 01

  Dude, I feel like...

• 2:13:39Joe Rogan?

  Are you allowed to have a phone in jail? Can you have a Twitter account?

• 2:13:41Speaker 01

  Joe, I feel like, right now, because of...

• 2:13:45Speaker 01

  You're like, you aiding Trump and getting elected. I, I, I don't think you're the kind of person to do this. But I do feel like you could probably call in like at least one favor.

• 2:13:54Joe Rogan?

  Get Joe Exotic out.

• 2:13:55Speaker 01

  Dude, why not, for all of us?

• 2:13:58Joe Rogan?

  Russ, Russ Albrecht first.

• 2:14:00Speaker 01

  Okay, sure.

• 2:14:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:02Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm, obviously, there's probably some people in front of that.

• 2:14:04Joe Rogan?

  I think Trump committed to doing that, to releasing.

• 2:14:07Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:14:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:08Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, that is-

• 2:14:10Joe Rogan?

  Find out if that's true, Jamie? I believe it is. I believe he was, it was at one of those Bitcoin fucking things that he did.

• 2:14:17Speaker 05

  He said that, and it was Dan, or Dave said that, the libertarian thing, he said-

• 2:14:20Joe Rogan?

  Yes, that's right, libertarian. Libertarian and Bitcoin are the same fucking category in my brain.

• 2:14:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm barely tuned in, it's all the same. It's like NFT, libertarian, Bitcoin, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. Yeah, I'm a libertarian, like, sure, it's on, in paper, it's a great idea, it's not, it's not a real party.

• 2:14:37Speaker 01

  I'm a sovereign citizen.

• 2:14:38Joe Rogan?

  I'm a sovereign citizen, too.

• 2:14:39Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:14:40Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:14:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's great.

• 2:14:41Joe Rogan?

  But I'm not of this planet.

• 2:14:42Speaker 01

  Where are you from, the Pleiades?

• 2:14:43Joe Rogan?

  I'm from everywhere. I'm from everywhere, man, I'm Johnny Cash.

• 2:14:46Speaker 01

  Dude. That's a lot of places-

• 2:14:49Joe Rogan?

  Everywhere, man, I've been everywhere-

• 2:14:51Speaker 01

  What a great song, what a great fucking song.

• 2:14:54Joe Rogan?

  Johnny Cash was the fucking man.

• 2:14:56Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 2:14:57Joe Rogan?

  He was the fucking man.

• 2:14:58Speaker 01

  That's an incarnation I would pick. Like, if we get to like, if there's a VHS library of incarnations, there's a long line to be Johnny Cash. I'm picking Johnny Cash.

• 2:15:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god.

• 2:15:07Speaker 01

  Top 10, probably.

• 2:15:08Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine being Johnny Cash when he played at Folsom Prison? Folsom Prison Blues?

• 2:15:13Speaker 01

  It's the most incredible thing.

• 2:15:14Joe Rogan?

  He played at the prison.

• 2:15:15Speaker 01

  It's incredible.

• 2:15:16Joe Rogan?

  Paul Rodriguez did a comedy special at a prison. Like, way back in the day. I forget when it was, but I remember, I believe it was an HBO special. And he did it live from a prison, which is fucking buck wild.

• 2:15:31Speaker 01

  So badass.

• 2:15:32Joe Rogan?

  Buck wild, I mean, I, if you were gonna do that, you would have to work, you know who could do that? Joey Diaz, 100%.

• 2:15:37Speaker 01

  Easily.

• 2:15:38Joe Rogan?

  100%. He would murder in a prison.

• 2:15:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:15:43Joe Rogan?

  You know, metaphorically.

• 2:15:44Speaker 01

  I mean, if there was a simulator, and this is again, like-

• 2:15:47Joe Rogan?

  Is this Paul Rod- Rodriguez?

• 2:15:49Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 2:15:49Joe Rogan?

  Behind bars, live in San Quentin, 1991, damn.

• 2:15:56Joe Rogan?

  Respect to Paul Rodriguez. I don't even know if it worked. Do they laughing? It looks like they're laughing. Looks like they're having a good time.

• 2:16:03Speaker 01

  They have to.

• 2:16:04Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. No, they don't have to.

• 2:16:06Speaker 01

  I'm joking. I'm sure they don't.

• 2:16:07Joe Rogan?

  They could rush him. Who's, how's the guards gonna stop by the time they beat him to death?

• 2:16:11Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 2:16:12Joe Rogan?

  Fifty dudes just rush him?

• 2:16:14Speaker 01

  Seriously, you're thinking about that before you go on stage. Like you.

• 2:16:18Joe Rogan?

  They like Paul Rodriguez.

• 2:16:20Speaker 01

  I mean, but yeah, do they all? How do you know? It's San Quentin.

• 2:16:23Joe Rogan?

  He was popular at the time. Like, he is still popular, but he was like very, very popular at the time.

• 2:16:28Speaker 01

  There's a guy probably in the audience who like wore his daughter's entrails as a necklace.

• 2:16:34Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like, I'm sure most of the.

• 2:16:35Joe Rogan?

  Ate his neighbors, right? Fucked his dog.

• 2:16:38Speaker 01

  It's badass. That's a badass move, man.

• 2:16:40Joe Rogan?

  Crazy move.

• 2:16:41Speaker 01

  That's a badass move. I mean, dude, when you think about all the shit that we're talking about, and really when you sort of look at like, just among our group of friends, the insane events of the last few months.

• 2:16:56Joe Rogan?

  Tony Hinchcliffe was misquoted by Obama.

• 2:17:00Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 2:17:00Joe Rogan?

  There was a speaker at the Trump rally who said Puerto Rico's a pile of garbage. Those are human beings.

• 2:17:07Speaker 01

  Dude, I mean.

• 2:17:09Joe Rogan?

  Nobody's aged harder than that dude.

• 2:17:11Speaker 01

  Well, he's withered.

• 2:17:13Joe Rogan?

  Bro, but those are like, these are vampire years. These are like you got bit by a leech. Like you got a parasite.

• 2:17:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:20Joe Rogan?

  Years.

• 2:17:20Speaker 01

  Reading the Necronomicon or something.

• 2:17:22Joe Rogan?

  He's, yeah, right, right, right. You have the Ark of Covenant in your bedroom. Like, you're cooking.

• 2:17:27Speaker 01

  You're cooking and something.

• 2:17:27Joe Rogan?

  You're aging like you look, you age fifty fucking years. You look like a really good-looking seventy-year-old. There's something weird.

• 2:17:35Speaker 01

  I mean, just think about like, what that's like to be.

• 2:17:39Joe Rogan?

  The pressure.

• 2:17:39Speaker 01

  The star. The, you know, you're, I'm saying as far as power goes. I think power must be so addictive. And so you're the fucking president, not just a president, you're like this kind of rock star president for a second.

• 2:17:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, one of the greatest. Presidents of all time.

• 2:17:53Speaker 01

  And so you lose that power. And now what? You know what I mean? Now what? And then you try desperately to like, grab control of the thing and you can't. It didn't work. So essentially, whatever like prana or energy you've been extracting from having that kind of power, it's gone.

• 2:18:12Joe Rogan?

  It's gone.

• 2:18:13Speaker 01

  Now you have the nice house, but like really like what's left? You are at the fucking control board for, for like, America and now nothing. You wither. You deflate. You like,

• 2:18:27Joe Rogan?

  No purpose.

• 2:18:27Speaker 01

  No purpose.

• 2:18:28Joe Rogan?

  I think we're gonna be able to read minds in five years and all this is gonna be a moot point.

• 2:18:32Speaker 01

  Well, no.

• 2:18:33Joe Rogan?

  I think it's gonna be all go out the window. I think quantum computing is gonna crush encryption.

• 2:18:38Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:18:38Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna have a real problem with currency worldwide. We're gonna have to figure out how to redistribute resources without conventional capitalism. There's gonna be some weird new shifting. It's gonna come along with the birth of this AI that's way more intelligent than us. And everything's gonna get super fucking weird and we're not ready for it. And we think that we, oh, we have to be ready for it. It's not gonna happen like that because I'm not ready for it. No one's ready for it. No, it couldn't hap- Just like a supervolcano, just like an asteroid impact. It can happen and you're not ready for it.

• 2:19:07Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 2:19:08Joe Rogan?

  And a lot of us might not make it.

• 2:19:09Speaker 01

  That's, dude, okay, this, as far as like AGI goes, it like when Altman came out and said this year, uh, I don't, the, the, someone, a CEO from the company, I think that made, I don't know, one of the other AIs, said, uh, two years from now, I think, but the idea is if, if, if Biden came out and was like, guys, got some news. We've detected a mothership. It's coming to the planet in a year. We don't understand anything about who they are, other than they must have extraordinary technology, based on what we've seen of their ship. I'm good.

• 2:19:48Speaker 01

  The whole planet, the next few years would just be getting ready. NASA, anthropologists, philosophers, scientists, defense people. What do we do if they wanna fuck us up? What, what, what do we do? How do you interact with aliens? But having these tech people say, we are about to have a brand new species, essentially, a technological species, an AGI, is coming to the planet that will surpass us as, as far as being able to. Um, solve problems, it will know everything. It's gonna be here in about a year, maybe two years. You would think the reaction to that would be, okay, we've got to get ready for this. What does that mean? What's gonna happen?

• 2:20:28Joe Rogan?

  Maybe we can't get ready. Maybe that's what this scramble is all about, that we just have to fucking die screaming.

• 2:20:35Speaker 01

  Merry Christmas!

• 2:20:38Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it can't be solved, just like Australia, Pitcairn's kid didn't figure out how to make a plane. It's, we're not prepared for it. And we're not supposed to last. We're supposed to carry on to the next thing. And the next thing will still be us. That's what's gonna be weird. The next thing is gonna still be us. We just want us to stay us like this. We want, you know, fucking blues songs and we wanna drink whiskey.

• 2:21:01Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:21:01Joe Rogan?

  We wanna smoke cigarettes, we wanna like, get in fistfights. We wanna, we want us to stay us. It's, you know, it's not going to happen.

• 2:21:09Speaker 01

  I'm sure if you could travel back in time and there was an intelligent, semi-intelligent version of humanity, one of our ancestors who still had a workable tail. And you're like, hey, I wanna show you what you're gonna grow into. And probably there'd be a lot of things they're excited about. Whoa, cars? Incredible. Jesus Christ, you can shit in your own house?

• 2:21:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:33Speaker 01

  Wow! But then, they would see that we didn't have tails. And they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! I'm not doing that if I lose my tail. So, this is for sure, the sort of cultural drama that we're seeing is, and, and you know, the, the trans controversy, uh, there's aspects to it where, like, yeah, why, why, dude shouldn't be in sports. But, the reality is, where we're going is going to make that controversy seem like nothing.

• 2:22:08Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, it seems like if you wanted to have an evolutionary path towards a genderless society. Wouldn't you have that society, if you wanted to tame the wild primate, wouldn't you have that society be completely addicted to plastic? They use plastic for everything, which is an endocrine disruptor. So you have these plastic and these chemicals that get into the body, lower testosterone, shrink dicks, shrink taints.

• 2:22:38Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:22:39Joe Rogan?

  Dr. Shanna Swan's work.

• 2:22:40Speaker 01

  They shrink taints?

• 2:22:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shanna Swan, have you ever talked to her?

• 2:22:43Speaker 01

  I didn't know the taint could shrink. I, I...

• 2:22:45Joe Rogan?

  You should talk, no, well, it's in, it's in utero. So this is what happens.

• 2:22:49Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:22:49Joe Rogan?

  When you introduce mammals to tha- her book is called... Countdown, that's right. I, I used to remember it. Um, it's a great book. Uh, she's, it, it, she's really fun, too. She's a really fascinating person. But what they found is with mammals, when you introduce phthalates, which are these plastics, like microplastics and the chemicals that come off of them, into, um, pregnant women or pregnant mice, um, the, the babies have smaller taints. And then the taint is one of the best ways to distinguish a male or a female in mammals.

• 2:23:24Speaker 01

  No way.

• 2:23:24Joe Rogan?

  In males, the taint is fifty to a hundred percent longer.

• 2:23:28Speaker 01

  Is it really called the taint?

• 2:23:30Joe Rogan?

  It's cool. They don't call it the taint. They have a word for it, she told me, but she calls it the taint, because she's fun.

• 2:23:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:23:34Joe Rogan?

  She has, she has a thing on her, her website called the Jizz Quiz. It's very funny. She's very funny. And she's, you know, a really distinguished professor. But, um, what she's saying essentially is that these plastics are lowering hormone levels. They are, uh, lowering birth rate levels. They're increasing in the amount of miscarriages that women have. So that all these things, she believes are completely connected. And that this, uh, hormone disruptor that is in these plastics is causing people to become sicker and a little bit deformed because your hormones aren't expressing themselves correctly because they're being poisoned.

• 2:24:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:24:12Joe Rogan?

  If you were, uh, a society, like if you were going to get to where the aliens are, they're, they look genderless, don't they?

• 2:24:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, sure.

• 2:24:20Joe Rogan?

  Don't you think that's probably us in the future?

• 2:24:22Speaker 01

  Aren't you glad they're genderless?

• 2:24:24Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:24:24Speaker 01

  Can you imagine if the grays had big swinging dicks?

• 2:24:27Joe Rogan?

  Giant hogs.

• 2:24:28Speaker 01

  It would be horrible. Those gray pictures would be very different.

• 2:24:31Joe Rogan?

  Very different. Standing over your bed, jacking off in your face.

• 2:24:34Speaker 01

  Horrible.

• 2:24:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, while you're paralyzed, you're like, sitting there like, oh, this, oh. Fuck a piece of shit. I think that um we are clinging to this idea of male and female. Look, I I think currently there are male and females, for sure. And this is why I'm completely opposed to biological males who have mental illness. And that's what gender dysphoria is, even if you're being kind. It's a mental illness.

• 2:25:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:25:00Joe Rogan?

  Whatever it is.

• 2:25:01Speaker 01

  I think it's the DSMR.

• 2:25:02Joe Rogan?

  You're not well in who you are, you wish you were a different gender. I fully support you, that's not one of them, but you can't compete with biological females.

• 2:25:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:25:09Joe Rogan?

  We can't pretend that you're a biological female because we want you to feel good. You have massive physical advantages, they've been clearly documented. Anybody who says any differently is full shit, talk to Riley Gaines.

• 2:25:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:25:20Joe Rogan?

  Talk to her, she's the expert in this shit, she had to go through that shit with swimming.

• 2:25:24Speaker 01

  It feels crazy to me that you have to say that.

• 2:25:27Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy. It's so crazy that you have to say that to liberals who always wanted to protect women. The whole thing is bonkers, but it just goes to show you, it's not real. This idea of left and right is not real.

• 2:25:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:25:38Joe Rogan?

  These are just masks that people put on, these are just a conglomeration of opinions that people adopt. They, most people have not thought most of the things through. They don't have the time. They have to work all fucking day, they have a family, maybe they have a hobby, they're trying to get out and play hoops with their friends.

• 2:25:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:25:56Joe Rogan?

  Maybe they get together with their buddies and they want to play video games.

• 2:25:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:25:59Joe Rogan?

  One night a week. You know, like, Jesus Christ.

• 2:26:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:26:02Joe Rogan?

  They don't have fucking time to pay attention to all this crazy shit. And that's what's really going on.

• 2:26:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:26:07Joe Rogan?

  Most people are just like deciding that, you know, I'm a progressive, I will repeat progressive talking points, I will violently defend a woman's right to choose. And they get into these patterns. And then the same thing happens on the right. The exact same thing, exact same thing. That's why, like, the right is against the war in Ukraine and the left is supporting it. It's like, this is like Vietnam in reverse. The whole thing is fucking bananas.

• 2:26:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:26:33Joe Rogan?

  You know, the right is insisting on free speech. They were the motherfuckers that were censoring everybody.

• 2:26:37Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:26:38Joe Rogan?

  They wanted to lock Howard Stern up in jail. He had to fight the FCC. They sued him, his fucking parent company had to pay untold amounts of money. I don't even, how much money did Howard Stern's company get fined? It was hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions.

• 2:26:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:26:53Joe Rogan?

  Insane amounts of money. The fucking government was trying to shut down a radio guy for talking shit.

• 2:26:59Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 2:27:00Joe Rogan?

  So, and now that's the left. It's just patterns, man. It's just patterns where people can justify certain behaviors because it aligns with their ideology.

• 2:27:09Speaker 01

  That's right. And also where it gets really fucked up is you are dancing to a song that basically there's like, here's two songs. There's two songs you can dance to, the right song or the song of the left. The, the metronome is beating out two, I guess, somewhat different rhythms. People dance to those. They get in fights over, you gotta do our dance.

• 2:27:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:32Speaker 01

  Meanwhile, there's a million other songs out there you could be dancing to. And there's songs that are much older than America, much older than, than maybe the planet itself. Which is, that's why I, I really think, uh, it's creepy the, the way that like, uh, Christianity or any religion where there's theism, i- it's in the list of things that should be decried by an intelligent person. We shoot down this notion of God. We shoot down this or that. But all of these religions, at the very least, they give you a new song to dance to that isn't fucking war drums.

• 2:28:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:28:14Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? And they don't like that. They don't like that because suddenly you're supposed to be perturbed. Like, you know, that stupid bump.

• 2:28:21Joe Rogan?

  It's also the arrogance of intellectualism. You know, you get really smart and these ideas, these fairy tales seem preposterous to you.

• 2:28:27Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 2:28:27Joe Rogan?

  And you don't want to accept that maybe what it is, is a moral scaffolding that keeps society glued together. And it's probably based on some truth. There's some of it that seems to be a history of the world.

• 2:28:40Speaker 01

  Oh, and also the, to most people that I have encountered who have, a lot of people I've encountered who are rejecting this religion or that, it's, I get it. It's religious trauma. I just ran into somebody at Best Buy, I recognized, we had a long conversation. It's religious trauma. They were raised in some kind of like form of spiritual abuse and in that abuse.

• 2:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Snake handlers.

• 2:29:03Speaker 01

  Bingo, and they, but, but, but, listen, if you want to handle snakes, great. The problem is if you tell a kid to disregard their rational mind. If, in other words, the introduction to the conversation of questions regarding this or that Yes. are not met with like, "Oh yeah, it's a good question. I don't know." But are met with, "You're going to hell. You're going to hell. You're demon possessed." Right, right, right. So then you experience that, and of course, you must reject the thing. It's like when you, when you have a hangover and you smell tequila. You can't connect. Right. So I get it. But the, the, the main thing is, what's, what I love about religion or Christianity

• 2:29:44Speaker 01

  is it's like, just try it on for size. What happens if you pray? I know you don't believe in it. It sounds insane. What the fuck are they talking about? It sounds absolutely nuts. I know, it sounds absolutely nuts. Now, what happens if you pray? Just for a few days? What happens if you pray? And then, once you start doing the experiment, it starts off with like, this is just, I'm gonna do it, it's probably bullshit, opium of the masses. But then you realize, you're getting pulled in, not in a bad way. But right away, there seems to be some feeling of connection, some sense of something a little different than what you're used to experiencing. And sometimes, that can get really scary for people.

• 2:30:29Speaker 01

  And they're like, "Fuck this. No, it's getting me." And it's like, to me, that, that should be the experiment of any, anyone who's skeptical. And if you're skeptical about Christianity or any religion, you should be. You should 100% be skeptical of, oh, it's like what Mark Twain said. Religion is what happened when the first con man met the first fool. You, you should be skeptical. But, if you read the Gospels...

• 2:30:59Speaker 01

  And you realize like the part of the story there is an invitation to connect on your own. You don't need the priest class.

• 2:31:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:31:08Speaker 01

  You don't have to listen to the fucking rules. You don't have to like, it's just between you and the eternal and see what happens.

• 2:31:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:31:15Speaker 01

  To me, that's the, that's the number one thing is just investigate, explore, and don't let anyone subvert your rational mind. Use that as a form of connect, connecting with the thing, even if you connect via rejection. It's still worth like a wholehearted exploration, at the very least to experience a cultural trance. I don't think that's what it is, but.

• 2:31:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, maybe what that cultural trance is, is this is like, it's a pattern that you can, can, you can follow that can connect you to the divine. And that there's a bunch of these different patterns. This pattern might be Buddhism, this pattern might be Islam, this pattern might be even Mormonism.

• 2:32:00Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:32:01Joe Rogan?

  Even Scientology.

• 2:32:02Speaker 01

  Definitely Scientology.

• 2:32:03Joe Rogan?

  I think all of them, all, all of them can be distorted, all of them can be subverted, all of them can have those guys that have private jets and Rolls Royces and, you know, those fucking crazy arena guys. All of it, all of it can go in that direction. But all of it is kind of a moral scaffolding that's, that seems to be designed to help us in this journey of getting away from the primate instincts.

• 2:32:32Speaker 01

  That's right. And getting away from, and also.

• 2:32:35Joe Rogan?

  Connecting to each other.

• 2:32:36Speaker 01

  And transcending state propaganda. Like this is the, this is like my favorite verse in the Bible, they're trying to trick, trick Jesus. They, I don't know, they're asking.

• 2:32:47Joe Rogan?

  Imagine being so cocky, you think you can trick Jesus.

• 2:32:49Speaker 01

  I would try.

• 2:32:50Joe Rogan?

  I got it.

• 2:32:51Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 2:32:52Joe Rogan?

  Fuck that.

• 2:32:53Speaker 01

  Would be cool if you could.

• 2:32:54Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna bring out three card money.

• 2:32:56Speaker 01

  We're gonna get him.

• 2:32:57Joe Rogan?

  Imagine Jesus walking down New York City and watching him play three-card Monte and getting suckered in. You're like, "Hey, I thought you were the fucking, I thought you were the guy." "Hey, man, don't, don't do that." "He's, don't understand, it's not the same card." "Oh, my God, Jesus Christ, you don't have any more shekels. You're out of shekels."

• 2:33:14Speaker 01

  Is that what they used, shekels?

• 2:33:15Joe Rogan?

  I guess. What'd they have back then?

• 2:33:17Speaker 01

  I don't know, denarius?

• 2:33:18Joe Rogan?

  What kind of, uh, dollars did they have? What, uh, unit of money was around when Jesus existed? Super good question. I wish I knew it. Be a clever thing to say. Sheckles sounds good, though. Sheckles is a fun name for coins.

• 2:33:33Speaker 01

  I don't think shekels.

• 2:33:34Joe Rogan?

  Sheckles. Was it shekels?

• 2:33:37Speaker 05

  I just comes up with a Phoenician shekel and a half shekel.

• 2:33:39Joe Rogan?

  Let's fucking go.

• 2:33:41Speaker 01

  Fucking shekels.

• 2:33:42Joe Rogan?

  Let's fucking go. It's shekels, son.

• 2:33:44Speaker 01

  There you go. There's the, oh, yeah.

• 2:33:45Joe Rogan?

  So imagine Jesus blew all his shekels on three-card Monte. You'd be like, "Jesus."

• 2:33:49Speaker 01

  Jesus.

• 2:33:50Joe Rogan?

  We just stick to being the fucking Messiah?

• 2:33:51Speaker 01

  What are you doing?

• 2:33:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:52Speaker 01

  Why are you here again?

• 2:33:53Joe Rogan?

  He gets hustled in a basketball game, like, "Jesus."

• 2:33:56Speaker 01

  You're gonna question everything.

• 2:33:57Joe Rogan?

  You're not good at basketball, and you can't run in those fucking sandals.

• 2:33:59Speaker 01

  Why are you doing this? You can turn water into wine. Let's sell fucking wine.

• 2:34:02Joe Rogan?

  Losing money at basketball, he plays horse with people, he keeps missing.

• 2:34:05Speaker 01

  Wow. That would really be weird.

• 2:34:08Joe Rogan?

  Jesus would have to be really good at badminton. If he plays badminton, he's gotta win. He's gotta win. Well, I'm not gonna believe you're Jesus if you can't wrestle.

• 2:34:15Speaker 01

  If you're bad at pinball.

• 2:34:16Joe Rogan?

  If you get pinned, if you get pinned really quick in a wrestling match, like, "What the fuck, dude?"

• 2:34:20Speaker 01

  Dude, yeah, he's gotta be good at everything.

• 2:34:22Joe Rogan?

  Somebody rear naked chokes Jesus, 30 seconds in a match.

• 2:34:25Speaker 01

  You're doing it, and you're like, "I don't know, he's not tapping out."

• 2:34:27Joe Rogan?

  He doesn't know what the fuck to do. He doesn't know shit, he's a white belt. Why is he in this competition?

• 2:34:34Joe Rogan?

  Jesus goes to the UFC Open Golf Tournament, and everyone's like, "Jesus fucking sucks at golf." He can't even fucking hit the ball right. Somebody show him how to hit the ball?

• 2:34:44Speaker 01

  They know why. Why did you let Jesus compete in the UFC?

• 2:34:47Joe Rogan?

  Jesus is playing pickleball, just falling down, not good at pickleball.

• 2:34:51Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:34:52Joe Rogan?

  And that, people would be so disappointed in Jesus.

• 2:34:54Speaker 01

  Everything, the way he walked.

• 2:34:55Joe Rogan?

  Just bowl the gutter ball every time. You fucking dummy. What are you doing?

• 2:35:00Speaker 01

  Farts in the car.

• 2:35:02Speaker 01

  Just that. You gotta like, "Dude, roll the window down."

• 2:35:06Joe Rogan?

  Everybody smelled back then. I think farts probably, like, cleared the air a little. Oh, something interesting to smell, some new thing, instead of these shitty asses that I smell everywhere.

• 2:35:16Speaker 01

  I just read that they used to think smelling farts in a jar would cure diseases.

• 2:35:21Joe Rogan?

  What, it doesn't?

• 2:35:24Speaker 01

  How do you save a fart in a jar?

• 2:35:25Joe Rogan?

  Cancel my subscription.

• 2:35:31Speaker 01

  How do you mail that?

• 2:35:32Joe Rogan?

  There was some young lady that we featured on the podcast at one point in time was making a ton of money farting in jars. Yeah, selling farts.

• 2:35:39Speaker 01

  Dude, that's incredible.

• 2:35:40Joe Rogan?

  I hope she didn't even fart in those jars. I hope those dummies.

• 2:35:43Speaker 05

  It wasn't even that long ago. It says 2014.

• 2:35:45Speaker 01

  No, smelling farts in a jar does not cure disease.

• 2:35:48Joe Rogan?

  It does.

• 2:35:49Speaker 01

  Look.

• 2:35:50Joe Rogan?

  You don't know. You don't know.

• 2:35:51Speaker 01

  Read that. In 2014, news headlines-

• 2:35:53Joe Rogan?

  My chiropractor told me that smelling farts was the way to go.

• 2:35:56Speaker 01

  These claims are based on a University of Exeter press release that was not about smelling farts.

• 2:36:06Joe Rogan?

  Imagine. Have you heard of this new medication they're giving cows to make them fart less?

• 2:36:12Speaker 05

  During the plague. Oh, yeah, yeah. Almost what you said. That's not far off from what this says. It's just something better to smell.

• 2:36:19Joe Rogan?

  A jar of farts? The great plague of London in the 1600s was a scary time. The public was worried you just might need to stay healthy, including sniffing a jar of their own farts. Back then, doctors were apparently convinced that the plague was spread via deadly air vapor and that a foul smelling substance could dilute the pollution. As such, some locals apparently took to storing their farts in jars, just in case the situation suddenly demanded a quick whiff.

• 2:36:48Speaker 01

  Honey, open the fart cabinet!

• 2:36:50Joe Rogan?

  Open the old vintage farts. I'm gonna get them farts from when I was 23 and I had a good gut biome.

• 2:36:56Speaker 01

  Dude, like-

• 2:36:58Joe Rogan?

  That's so hilarious.

• 2:36:59Speaker 01

  That is so fucking crazy.

• 2:37:01Joe Rogan?

  I want to know how long it lasted because from what I understand, that you can't really fart in a jar and keep it there. By the time you seal it up, it's probably sealed up with so much oxygen.

• 2:37:10Speaker 01

  There's only one way to find out.

• 2:37:12Joe Rogan?

  Get Ari.

• 2:37:13Speaker 01

  Get Ari to fart in a jar and smell it.

• 2:37:15Joe Rogan?

  He'll just shit in there and lie to you. It's so gross.

• 2:37:21Joe Rogan?

  Ari just shits publicly. He's out of his mind.

• 2:37:23Speaker 01

  How do you get the fart in the jar?

• 2:37:25Joe Rogan?

  I guess you put the jar up to your asshole when you about you gotta fart.

• 2:37:28Speaker 01

  You think a cap, but then you gotta get the cap on real fast.

• 2:37:30Joe Rogan?

  Quick, real quick, like a ninja.

• 2:37:31Speaker 01

  Jamie, can you Google it?

• 2:37:32Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna get a little bit of air in there.

• 2:37:33Speaker 05

  I'm looking.

• 2:37:34Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? It's like moonshine. It's not 100% alcohol.

• 2:37:36Speaker 01

  You don't, you'd use a tube if you were a pro.

• 2:37:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you would use a tube.

• 2:37:40Speaker 01

  A tube going into the jar?

• 2:37:42Joe Rogan?

  You would have like a diaper, a big like, like a gas diaper with like completely sealed to your ass like a COVID mask. And then you would just fart into that tube.

• 2:37:52Speaker 01

  Gas mask.

• 2:37:52Joe Rogan?

  And it would go into that jar and then you'd have, you'd do it all day long.

• 2:37:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:37:56Joe Rogan?

  There'd be a robot there that would like seal that jar off.

• 2:37:58Speaker 01

  How do you know it's filled?

• 2:37:59Joe Rogan?

  Pure.

• 2:37:59Speaker 01

  How do you know when your jar's like full of farts?

• 2:38:01Joe Rogan?

  What if you gave me a half-ass fart? I want a real fart.

• 2:38:03Speaker 01

  Or just the jar only has like a, yeah, a little fart.

• 2:38:07Joe Rogan?

  I want a 3:30 AM Taco Bell fart.

• 2:38:10Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 2:38:11Joe Rogan?

  That's what I want.

• 2:38:12Speaker 01

  That's gonna cure you.

• 2:38:13Joe Rogan?

  Where you're in the car and you buy Taco Bell and you immediately hate yourself.

• 2:38:17Speaker 05

  Here's a study on it. They use, it depends on the container.

• 2:38:20Speaker 01

  A study on farts in a jar?

• 2:38:22Speaker 05

  You might need to use glass versus metal containers.

• 2:38:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:38:26Speaker 05

  It dissipates over days, obviously.

• 2:38:27Speaker 01

  Who did this study?

• 2:38:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, some awesome scientists.

• 2:38:31Speaker 05

  Bish, Hal Shyne and.

• 2:38:32Speaker 01

  Jaxia. Why is it called anal, wait, that can't be real.

• 2:38:36Joe Rogan?

  Anal chemistry?

• 2:38:37Speaker 05

  No, it's like a.

• 2:38:38Joe Rogan?

  No, that's my study. My field of study.

• 2:38:40Speaker 01

  Anal kitten?

• 2:38:41Speaker 05

  Just go with that.

• 2:38:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god. Jesus Christ, literally.

• 2:38:46Speaker 01

  I mean, you, um.

• 2:38:47Joe Rogan?

  Farting in jars.

• 2:38:48Speaker 01

  The sad thing, the sad thing about that article though, cause it comes out and so that means there's people who think farts in a jar can cure cancer and that means that somebody was laying in bed dying and someone who loved them came up and said, I know this is gonna seem weird dad, but I need you to smell this. And like, there was people dying.

• 2:39:07Joe Rogan?

  But again, this brings us back to the placebo effect.

• 2:39:10Speaker 01

  Good work.

• 2:39:11Joe Rogan?

  Because I think almost everything works. It just doesn't work when your streets are filled with sewer. You know, I think that was what everybody was dying of back then. They had horrible, fucking terribly unsanitary conditions everywhere. Everything was covered in shit.

• 2:39:25Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:39:26Joe Rogan?

  Everything was shit, shitty water.

• 2:39:28Speaker 01

  You're shitting in your bedroom?

• 2:39:29Joe Rogan?

  If you have no running water and you have a bunch of people living together, you have horrible diseases.

• 2:39:34Speaker 05

  According to their study, one of those jars they found could maybe have the fart from the 17th century.

• 2:39:40Speaker 01

  Wow! Now that's a horror movie, right there. Like, you find like a 17th century fart.

• 2:39:46Joe Rogan?

  You sniff that fart and then you immediately turn into like one of those 28 days later zombies. And then it spreads.

• 2:39:53Speaker 01

  Or a superhero.

• 2:39:54Joe Rogan?

  This virus has had a chance to adapt and evolve and plan its strategy while trapped inside this jar and get back at the humans. Because it doesn't have to die. So it lives in this guy's butt gas and then it evolves over hundreds of years, figure out through the multiverse, how to communicate with other bacteria everywhere and devise a strategy to morph itself over thousands and thousands of generations of new viruses to become some crazy rage virus just like 20 days later, which there's a new one coming out.

• 2:40:25Speaker 01

  Maybe, here's the other thing. Maybe that is the fountain of youth. Maybe the thing they're trying to hide from us, the most obvious thing, is if you smell an aged fart,

• 2:40:38Speaker 01

  you're gonna reverse age.

• 2:40:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe snake oil works.

• 2:40:42Speaker 05

  There's a science on harvest, how do you harvest? The best way to harvest is underwater.

• 2:40:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, science, super science.

• 2:40:47Speaker 01

  Oh, there you go!

• 2:40:49Speaker 05

  Not, not, don't try to catch the fart in air, you know?

• 2:40:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you gotta be accurate.

• 2:40:53Speaker 01

  Can you, can you?

• 2:40:54Joe Rogan?

  Be accurate with your farts.

• 2:40:55Speaker 01

  Jamie, can you YouTube smelling my?

• 2:40:57Joe Rogan?

  But then how do you close the gap? You gotta slide a lid in there. You might get a little water in your farts.

• 2:41:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's fine.

• 2:41:04Joe Rogan?

  No, you can't have farts and the water together.

• 2:41:08Speaker 05

  They're separate things.

• 2:41:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so when you open it, it'll be pure farts, but a little bit of water at the bottom? How do I know that the water isn't diluting and slowly washing the farts over 200 years?

• 2:41:16Speaker 05

  That's not how.

• 2:41:16Speaker 01

  Jamie, can you scroll up a little bit?

• 2:41:19Joe Rogan?

  Fart science. In my Duquesne farts.

• 2:41:22Speaker 05

  Sorry, was it? Sorry.

• 2:41:23Speaker 01

  Can you pull that up again? I just, I find it interesting that someone wrote an entire essay on how to do this. Will you go back to the beginning? I just want to read the, how do you introduce the story here?

• 2:41:33Joe Rogan?

  How do you bring this up to a fucking person where you want a grant?

• 2:41:36Speaker 01

  "I recently caught my four-year-old nephew attempting to fart into a jar in the hopes of saving it for a waiter to surprise Graham."

• 2:41:47Joe Rogan?

  This is not the first time I've encountered a little boy with a dream of bottling his own farts. Years ago, my younger cousin, let's call him Jay, had a whole shelf of dated mason jars in their barn. He was very proud of his collection. That kid is killing cats. That's a fucking serial killer. He's got a fucking shelf of dated jars of his farts. What a fucking psychopath.

• 2:42:11Speaker 01

  Jay, Jeffrey Dahmer.

• 2:42:12Joe Rogan?

  He has nothing better to do than just fart in jars.

• 2:42:14Speaker 01

  "I wanted to show you my jar collection. Those are my farts. Now that's New Year's Eve."

• 2:42:19Joe Rogan?

  And he's torturing animals.

• 2:42:20Speaker 01

  That's a fart when September 11th happens.

• 2:42:24Speaker 01

  That's a fear fart.

• 2:42:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh my God. Oh my God.

• 2:42:31Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:42:32Joe Rogan?

  Duncan, we gotta wrap this up, unfortunately.

• 2:42:33Speaker 01

  What a joy.

• 2:42:34Joe Rogan?

  What a joy, always.

• 2:42:36Speaker 01

  Thanks for having me on, Joe. Merry Christmas.

• 2:42:38Joe Rogan?

  We could just do another eight hours in a row.

• 2:42:40Speaker 01

  Easily.

• 2:42:40Joe Rogan?

  Easily, easily. I didn't even have to pee once.

• 2:42:43Speaker 01

  I know. I like me either. I don't know what happened. Usually you have to piss like four times for this.

• 2:42:47Joe Rogan?

  I know, we were locked in. Uh, I appreciate you very much, brother.

• 2:42:50Speaker 01

  Likewise, love you, man.

• 2:42:51Joe Rogan?

  I love you to death. You're one of my favorite people. You really are.

• 2:42:53Speaker 01

  You are too, man.

• 2:42:54Joe Rogan?

  You're a real treasure.

• 2:42:55Speaker 01

  Thank you, Joe.

• 2:42:56Joe Rogan?

  And these are some of my favorite podcasts of all time.

• 2:42:58Speaker 01

  Thanks, man.

• 2:42:59Joe Rogan?

  This is a weird combination of the two of us.

• 2:43:01Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 2:43:02Joe Rogan?

  We sync up in the weirdest way, man.

• 2:43:04Speaker 01

  It's the best, man.

• 2:43:05Joe Rogan?

  It is. Uh, that's it, man. I love you. Merry Christmas.

• 2:43:08Speaker 01

  Love you too. Merry Christmas.

• 2:43:10Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody.

• 2:43:10Speaker 01

  Bye!