Which Ethnicity Makes the Best Baby Mama? | Chad “OchoCinco”

Another week, another LEGEND. Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson joins us on the couch today. We're talking: - His love of Maradona and Napoli - How to assess the right woman - Frugalness & Saving 81% of his money - Cristiano Ronaldo being the GOAT - Tom Brady embodying aura and much, much more. Timestamps: 00:00 Soccer is the GREATEST sport 2:36 Doing just enough + Street "structure" 5:53 Ruthlessness on the field + Celebrations 8:36 Relationship with NFL 10:16 Ray Lewis + Mental gymnastics 14:32 Never bother the Quarterback 16:18 Blind in one eye 20:07 Controlling the music 21:29 White Boy Fun 24:41 NFL Hazing 27:09 Frugal, Women HUNTING + Free Daejon! 31:56 The talk, Caliber of woman + The long game 35:10 Ocho's diet, Italian Meatballs + Steak Show 39:27 Only 2 kids? Fatherhood + French fry 46:29 Criteria for Baby Mommas + Foresight 51:51 Cambodia is HOT, Try everything + Ask Shannon 55:19 Ocho getting MARRIED + Ankles 56:36 Never been injured, The right diet + FEET 1:02:00 Basic maintenance, b**ch 1:03:05 Which Athlete? 1st thing Ocho checks + CAMBODIA call-in 1:09:56 "I am the table" + Mark's GET BACK 1:11:32 87% go broke, PJ + Value for money 1:15:12 Should NFL have more guaranteed contracts? 1:20:52 Dumb big purchases, Saving 81% + Marshawn Lynch 1:24:05 Billionaire's advice, Twix + Fluffies 1:28:35 Comfortable with self + Running back fits 1:30:28 Insecurities, Swinging + Locking in 1:38:51 "I didn't have a choice" + Sharing and caring 1:41:41 Shannon Sharpe, The fits + Nightcap 1:45:13 Ocho's Soccer show + Ronaldo is the GOAT 1:48:34 Messi & Ronaldo of NFL + Tom Brady AURA 1:51:42 Bill Belichick Doubled + Who wins this year? 1:54:24 Ocho wish he played with QB, Best DB + Rivas 1:58:54 Destroying other DBs + Strong hands 2:01:26 Ocho doesn't miss the game + Hall of Fame 2:04:22 Trash talking + Competitive nature 2:06:32 STREET FIGHTER OUT NOW 2:08:49 Madden rating was fair + Betting controversial 2:11:20 Ending joke This episode is sponsored by Kalshi. This episode is sponsored by Sesh. - Download Cash App today and make your money work for you. Click here to get started: cash.app #CashAppPartner - Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Cash App Visa® Debit Flex Cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC, and The Bancorp Bank, N. A., pursuant to a license from Visa U. S. A. Inc. See terms and conditions for the Sutton prepaid card (https://cash.app/legal/us/en-us/card-agreement), Sutton debit flex card (https://cash.app/legal/us/en-us/debit-flex-card-agreement-sutton), and Bancorp debit flex card (https://cash.app/legal/us/en-us/debit-flex-card-agreement-bancorp). Savings provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Parents and legal guardians can open a managed account for kids 6-12. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  What's up everybody, welcome to Flagrant's Boy Schultz. I'm here with Alex Media and Mark Gagnon. And today, our guest, imagine being so nice at wide receiver. Did it stop you from being the greatest DB in history?

• 0:14Speaker 01

  Whoa, I like that.

• 0:16Speaker 00

  Imagine being so nice at catching a football. You only need one eye to do it.

• 0:21Speaker 01

  Wait, what?

• 0:22Speaker 00

  Like that. Imagine being so nice that you gotta, you gotta kind of bribe DBs to play harder against you because it was too fucking easy.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  Wait, who did that?

• 0:31Speaker 00

  Whoa. I think our guest, Mr. Ocho Cinco. That's what I'm trying to say.

• 0:38Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 0:38Speaker 02

  Hey, it's an honor. Thank you for having me.

• 0:41Speaker 00

  Bro, we're so grateful that you're here, sir.

• 0:43Speaker 02

  I appreciate it.

• 0:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 0:44Speaker 02

  It's a pleasure.

• 0:45Speaker 00

  I know that you're on this like whole soccer tip right now, but like.

• 0:47Speaker 02

  No, no, the soccer tip is not not now.

• 0:49Speaker 00

  I know you just found soccer. I know you just learned about soccer.

• 0:52Speaker 02

  I wish.

• 0:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 0:53Speaker 02

  Soccer is the greatest sport ever. That's, they're reading the calls in a beautiful game in general.

• 0:56Speaker 00

  Oh, is that right?

• 0:57Speaker 02

  I hate the fact that I grew up in the States and couldn't play it as a kid growing up.

• 1:00Speaker 00

  What do you mean couldn't play?

• 1:01Speaker 02

  You couldn't play. I'm from Liberty City. I'm from the hood.

• 1:04Speaker 00

  You're from Miami. You're from Miami, they have soccer in Miami. What were the Dominicans doing?

• 1:08Speaker 02

  No soccer, Dominican, I live in a black neighborhood. There's no soccer there.

• 1:12Speaker 00

  I know, I know black guy Dominican.

• 1:16Speaker 02

  I didn't have the resources, obviously, to, to want to reach the pinnacle of my childhood dream of being a professional athlete in something.

• 1:22Speaker 00

  So you didn't even want to play football? You didn't even want to play wide receiver? You know what I mean? You never get to do what you want to do.

• 1:28Speaker 02

  Soccer was my love.

• 1:29Speaker 00

  You want to be a striker?

• 1:31Speaker 02

  Now we're doing, or, or maybe on the wing. You know, play, play on the wing. But my grandfather, I saw him watching soccer one day and I told this story before and I was running in and out the house.

• 1:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:41Speaker 02

  And my, my grandma was like, boy, pick and choose. Either you stay outside or you come inside. So I came back in, I ran back in one more time. He said, you know what? Lock my goddamn door, sit your ass down. My grandfather's watching TV and I kept hearing the name over and over. Maradona, Maradona. I don't know what I'm watching, but I kept hearing the name.

• 2:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  I sat down with him and I just see dudes kicking the ball, going up and down the field. It's like, okay, the first thing you see as a kid, that's normally what you gravitate, gravitate for.

• 2:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:11Speaker 02

  And that's where that love for the game came from. And Napoli still to this day is my favorite team.

• 2:15Speaker 00

  Wow. Just because he was playing for Napoli?

• 2:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was Napoli at the time, yeah.

• 2:19Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 2:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it sucks.

• 2:22Speaker 00

  So this whole football thing was just because you had to do something?

• 2:24Speaker 02

  I had to.

• 2:25Speaker 00

  It was a soccer.

• 2:25Speaker 02

  I had to get out of my circumstance and, and football was the only thing that was going to get me out. I definitely wanted to be an academic scholar. That wasn't happening.

• 2:32Speaker 00

  No?

• 2:32Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:33Speaker 00

  Why not? Why not? What was it about academics?

• 2:37Speaker 02

  I did just enough just to get by, just to be able to be eligible.

• 2:41Speaker 00

  How did you know how it was just enough?

• 2:43Speaker 02

  Because you understand what you need to be eligible to play.

• 2:46Speaker 00

  Right, right.

• 2:46Speaker 02

  And I had no choice.

• 2:47Speaker 00

  Weren't you also academically ineligible one point in time?

• 2:50Speaker 02

  At Santa Monica. At the Santa Monica, yeah.

• 2:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  Santa Monica one year. It took me three years to get out of a two-year institution.

• 2:57Speaker 00

  Being academically ineligible at a community college is an accomplishment.

• 3:01Speaker 01

  In Santa Monica.

• 3:03Speaker 02

  It's pretty easy when you don't go to class.

• 3:05Speaker 00

  You just didn't go a single time.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  I just felt, I felt my talent alone. I remember my grandmother always told me, baby, you got to put your books first.

• 3:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:12Speaker 02

  And I kept telling her, my argument is, my argument was, my talent is going to take me where I want to go, where I'm not going to need school.

• 3:18Speaker 00

  So even as a kid, you knew that you would be making millions of dollars playing?

• 3:20Speaker 02

  I didn't know, you never know. You never know.

• 3:22Speaker 00

  But you had enough confidence.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  Enough confidence and I had the discipline to work at my craft.

• 3:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:28Speaker 02

  Even at a young age, I understood that. There were really no distractions, there were distractions.

• 3:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:32Speaker 02

  But nothing was getting in the way of that end goal.

• 3:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  Nothing, I understood that, I understood that early.

• 3:36Speaker 00

  Was there any like, was there any concern of street shit at all?

• 3:40Speaker 02

  No, because the dudes in the street back then, in the eighties and nineties, there's a thing called structure.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 3:45Speaker 00

  But dude, think about this is.

• 3:46Speaker 02

  They don't have structure now.

• 3:47Speaker 00

  Bro, this is eighties and nineties Miami. Like this is cocaine, it's flooding, it's insane.

• 3:53Speaker 02

  It's everywhere. You kids my age, they've gone that route in the street. Uh, the OGs, the older people, they wouldn't even allow you to do that if you played sports or was at.

• 4:02Speaker 00

  Hold on, hold on, hold on.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  Once they see you got a little talent, they're going to keep you away.

• 4:05Speaker 00

  Because you would also, you know.

• 4:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 4:07Speaker 00

  I never had that talent.

• 4:07Speaker 01

  He was telling.

• 4:08Speaker 00

  I was telling. They saw him on the field, you need to be on corner.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  He was telling it another way.

• 4:13Speaker 00

  Yeah. But hold on, hold on, so you're saying like, because you see this sometimes in like movies or whatever like that, where they see the kid who's kind of nice, they're like, nah, you stay off the streets. They're like kind of protect him or whatever. But you're saying that that is a legitimate thing?

• 4:23Speaker 02

  That's real.

• 4:23Speaker 00

  And you experienced that? There was dudes on the corner that was like, hey, leave him alone.

• 4:27Speaker 02

  Not really the corner, you already know. We all grew up in the neighborhood.

• 4:30Speaker 00

  Right.

• 4:30Speaker 02

  Everybody knows everybody. Obviously, you know who's good at what, you know who the basketball players are, you know who the academic scholars are. Academic scholars, you know who the football players are. I was one of the football players and they would never, even, even if I tried, you know, when you're young, you want to fit in.

• 4:44Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  Or I want to be cool.

• 4:45Speaker 00

  So what happens when you come around? What happens when you come around?

• 4:48Speaker 02

  You got to go.

• 4:49Speaker 00

  They kick you out.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  You, you got to go. And those individuals are still here.

• 4:53Speaker 00

  No way.

• 4:54Speaker 02

  Or they've done their time, you know, 20 years, 17, uh, 32, yeah, they're, they're out now.

• 5:01Speaker 00

  And is there like, is there like an unsaid thing where if it does work out for you, that like, you know, you look out for the neighborhood, you look out for the community or something like that?

• 5:11Speaker 02

  I didn't have to because they were the big boys.

• 5:13Speaker 00

  So they don't even want any, they don't even want any payback?

• 5:16Speaker 02

  They were the big boys.

• 5:19Speaker 00

  I still don't understand.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  They didn't need anything.

• 5:22Speaker 00

  Oh, they kicked you out.

• 5:25Speaker 01

  We're talking about Miami. This is where.

• 5:28Speaker 00

  Oh, this is where it was flooding.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is not, no, yeah, yeah.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  Are you grateful for them?

• 5:32Speaker 00

  Huh?

• 5:33Speaker 01

  Are you grateful that they kept you out of it?

• 5:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, in a sense.

• 5:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  Because I wouldn't listen to my grandma or my grandfather at the time.

• 5:38Speaker 00

  Right.

• 5:39Speaker 02

  You know, once you leave that, that porch, you kind of, you kind of try to fit in for yourself.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  I feel like you're so competitive though, that there'd be a party that's like, nah, I could, I could do this.

• 5:46Speaker 00

  I could sell drugs. I could do it better than all of you.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  Nah, you know what? I'm too fucking friendly to do that.

• 5:52Speaker 00

  You are friendly.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  In order to reach the height of power in anything, especially organized crime.

• 5:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:58Speaker 02

  You have to be ruthless.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  I fucking love everybody.

• 6:01Speaker 00

  But you are ruthless though, you are ruthless.

• 6:03Speaker 02

  No, I'm ruthless on a, on a green grass. That's a different kind of ruthless.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  And the parameters of a game.

• 6:08Speaker 02

  I can't, I can't step on a roach. Like that, that makes me feel bad.

• 6:12Speaker 00

  Interesting, so like socially, I always saw you obviously as this incredibly charismatic dude, but like, you can flip a switch on, on the field?

• 6:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, completely, completely, and, and be an animal.

• 6:25Speaker 00

  Bro, there's a great clip of you.

• 6:27Speaker 02

  People in person always say, you're nothing like the media perceived you to be.

• 6:31Speaker 00

  I don't think that's true. The media perceives you to be funny.

• 6:35Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no. They hated me.

• 6:37Speaker 00

  You were stone cold, bro. You were the stone cold at NFL. It was, you were an anti-hero. You're not supposed to be the hero, but then we ended up liking it anyway.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, but see, the NFL in general, the people that wear the suits and the ties that sit up high, they, they hated it. So the media creates a narrative.

• 6:52Speaker 00

  If it's generating so much buzz and excitement?

• 6:55Speaker 02

  I understood that. They didn't understand the entertainment value.

• 6:57Speaker 01

  It was almost like AI a little bit, like AI would get found all the time.

• 7:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  But he was loved, everybody loved him.

• 7:02Speaker 00

  AI wasn't doing it for entertainment purposes. He was like, this is how I dress.

• 7:07Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 7:07Speaker 00

  You knew what it was generating.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  I, mine was purely entertainment purposes. If you pay $40 for a ticket, you get $40 worth of entertainment, whether I'm playing home or wait, I didn't care.

• 7:18Speaker 00

  So it didn't matter, but, but in your head, you like, you're going into a game.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:22Speaker 00

  In your head, first it's we have to win.

• 7:25Speaker 02

  Yes, oh, team first always.

• 7:27Speaker 00

  Team first always. But after I score a touchdown, some crazy shit is coming.

• 7:31Speaker 02

  And I never celebrate. I never celebrate if we're losing or we're down. Only if it's the, the tie game or we're going up.

• 7:39Speaker 00

  Is there a celebration that you had plans that nobody knows about that would have been crazy that you can share?

• 7:47Speaker 02

  One of my, one of my favorites, we were playing Kansas City. I think this might've been a 2005 season. Remember the easy button from the Staples commercial?

• 7:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:54Speaker 02

  And when you press it, it says, that was easy. I put the two easy buttons in the north and south end zone, under the goalposts. And we were playing the Kansas City Chiefs. Matter of fact, Pat Surtain Senior was on the team at that time. And I was hoping to score either, the, the game was meaningless because we already made it, you know, into the playoffs.

• 8:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  And I was hoping to score that game and pull that button out and run the carson and have carson hit it.

• 8:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  I think that would have been fun.

• 8:17Speaker 00

  So that never, that never happened?

• 8:19Speaker 02

  No, because I hadn't scored that game.

• 8:20Speaker 00

  So at the end of the game, you got to go back to both goalposts and take out the button?

• 8:23Speaker 02

  The, the crew or whoever does the field, they, they probably got it.

• 8:26Speaker 01

  If they find it, they're like, Ocho is here.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  I think that was going to be one. Outside of that, everything else I was, I was able to do. I did everything.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  Does it bug you a little bit that the NFL fines you? And then five, 10 years later, they're posting YouTube videos being like, Ocho Cinco, craziest moment?

• 8:42Speaker 02

  No, not, not at all.

• 8:44Speaker 01

  It's like they're monetizing the thing that they find you for.

• 8:46Speaker 00

  They find you and now they're making money on you.

• 8:48Speaker 02

  You know, the funny, the fun thing about it is, is I was good to the NFL, right? Even though, listen, no, I was good to the NFL and understood what I was doing. And I think they understood what I was doing back then. And even now, today, they're paying me back where I made that money that they took from me 10 times over.

• 9:06Speaker 00

  By you being a media personality?

• 9:08Speaker 02

  I never burned any bridges. There are certain, there are certain individuals that are in positions of power that are pushing green lights for me to still do things I'd like to do.

• 9:19Speaker 00

  Because they appreciate you as an ambassador to the game.

• 9:22Speaker 02

  And I've always been good to the game, you know? And they're, they're, I don't, I don't want to say it, but you get what I'm trying to say.

• 9:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 9:30Speaker 02

  There are guys, there, there are certain people of power that are making sure, you know, this motherfucker was good to us. Even though he was like that bad kid in high school that was in the, in the principal's office.

• 9:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:42Speaker 02

  We're going to make sure he's okay.

• 9:43Speaker 00

  It's like, it's like, you know how the Joker needs Batman?

• 9:46Speaker 02

  Bingo.

• 9:47Speaker 00

  You know what I mean?

• 9:47Speaker 02

  I like that.

• 9:48Speaker 00

  You kind of need the villain, you need some of the Raul. And then they have to be the teacher and be like, no, no, no, you shouldn't do that. But at the same time, they're like winking at you like.

• 9:56Speaker 02

  That's a good one, that's a good one.

• 9:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:58Speaker 02

  And it was never bad. Nothing I did was ever malicious. It was all entertainment value and I saw.

• 10:02Speaker 00

  And you were good. If you're not good, it's annoying, like that's the thing, yeah, yeah.

• 10:06Speaker 02

  Matter of fact, you know how good you have to be to change your last name to a number that's spelled incorrectly?

• 10:14Speaker 02

  And it's, I don't, I don't know. It was fun.

• 10:17Speaker 00

  What heyday do you think there was a DB that could hold you? In your prime?

• 10:21Speaker 02

  My prime?

• 10:21Speaker 00

  Your prime, prime?

• 10:22Speaker 02

  My prime, no, absolutely not.

• 10:23Speaker 00

  When you went across the middle and then got hit by Ray Lewis, what?

• 10:26Speaker 02

  I almost fucked him up.

• 10:29Speaker 00

  Define almost. What is almost for you?

• 10:31Speaker 02

  I think I tripped over my shoe string.

• 10:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:33Speaker 02

  And when I tripped over my shoe string. I tripped over my shoe string and it caused me to lose my trajectory.

• 10:40Speaker 00

  I know, I've noticed that too.

• 10:41Speaker 02

  And then you got to understand physics.

• 10:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  Low man wins, right? So if I could have got up under him.

• 10:46Speaker 00

  Then he would have been on his ass, bro.

• 10:48Speaker 02

  Bingo.

• 10:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  Bingo, and that's what happened, I lost my balance.

• 10:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:51Speaker 02

  Raised my dude, man. Raised my dude. Oh, we got it, we got it.

• 10:56Speaker 00

  Because you mic'd up too, you were waiting.

• 10:58Speaker 02

  See my shoe string, see it's untied?

• 11:01Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, keep going, keep going, wait, he goes to the sidelines.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  Damn, bro, you down for a minute?

• 11:08Speaker 02

  I thought I was going to win because he didn't see me coming.

• 11:11Speaker 02

  I tried to hit Ray when he wasn't looking. Hey, I thought I got a good shot, but I failed. Something ain't right.

• 11:19Speaker 02

  On that play, when Rudy's coming, I tried to blindside Ray. He ran me over.

• 11:28Speaker 02

  That is classic. And the funny thing, that just happened to be Monday or Thursday night and I was miked up. But we played the Ravens twice a year for a decade straight and I lost every time.

• 11:40Speaker 00

  Wait, you never beat Ray?

• 11:41Speaker 02

  No, I lost to him every time like that. No, that, I mean, trying to, trying to crack back, trying to hit him. Or him hitting me, I lost every single time, but I kept coming back. I kept, I kept coming back. I kept trying every time. I, I didn't care. He didn't knock my helmet off. It went flying. I jumped up once pretending I wanted to fight.

• 12:00Speaker 00

  You're not fighting him.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  I also love that line, something ain't right.

• 12:03Speaker 02

  Yes, something right.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  Something's wrong positively.

• 12:06Speaker 02

  I'm thinking, if someone's not looking at me.

• 12:10Speaker 00

  It was a shoelace.

• 12:11Mark Gagnon?

  They didn't see it yet.

• 12:12Speaker 00

  You didn't realize it. He didn't know how to put it on his ass.

• 12:14Speaker 02

  Right?

• 12:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 12:15Speaker 02

  I know, I don't know.

• 12:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, Ray's maybe different.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, Ray, Ray, Ray and I were, were really cool. It's so funny, Ray and I, we always said a prayer before every game. We didn't have to, we didn't have to be playing each other. We got on that phone, we said that prayer, he'd tell me what scripture to go to. And we do that. And the funny thing would kind of piss me off a little bit. How the fuck we pray before the game and he try to annihilate me in the game?

• 12:41Speaker 02

  What are we doing? And so we, we had a, we had a great, a great friendship, great relationship and we're still friends to this day.

• 12:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:48Speaker 00

  Was there anybody who hit you that like you still don't like them? Where it felt personal?

• 12:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 12:55Speaker 00

  No. Where they were trying to like change your, your life?

• 12:58Speaker 02

  No, because I, they, I knew they were going to try to change my life anyway, based on the antics and the, the, the the behavior I displayed through the media.

• 13:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:08Speaker 02

  And trying to antagonize my opponent.

• 13:10Speaker 00

  You were telling me you thought that that gave you an advantage.

• 13:12Speaker 02

  It, it did. I like to play mental gymnastics.

• 13:15Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 13:15Speaker 02

  I like to play mind games. If I could mindfuck you and have you angry in the game and throw you off just a little bit. You gotta think, the game of football, any sport at the highest level is 90% mental, 10% physical. If I could beat you mentally, I'm not worried about how good you are physically, because I got you. If I could play a game, I get you to talk back, you know it's over. I got you.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  I love when you tell the guys to get on the line.

• 13:37Speaker 02

  Oh, I.

• 13:38Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 13:39Speaker 02

  Please, please.

• 13:40Speaker 00

  What do you mean, what do you mean, what do you mean?

• 13:41Speaker 02

  I mean, I love bump and run. Every receiver has their strengths.

• 13:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:44Speaker 02

  You know, some people are, are good at, uh, when a, when a player's off. For my strength was having a defensive back literally in my face because I knew you wouldn't be able to touch me.

• 13:54Speaker 00

  Why?

• 13:54Speaker 02

  Because my quickness.

• 13:56Speaker 00

  Oh, okay. So it wasn't confidence in your strength, it was confidence in your ability?

• 14:04Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no strength, just my, my, my lateral movement and my quickness.

• 14:08Speaker 00

  So you had footwork and ability and if you, and if you got on his hip, then it was over.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  If I got on your hip, it's, you're done. And the funny thing, if I get on your hip, I could be running full speed and stop on a dime. So technically you're in no man's land.

• 14:21Speaker 00

  Right, right, right, right.

• 14:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're in no man's land.

• 14:23Speaker 00

  Okay, you know how that like every wide receiver in the league is always open? You know, like you gotta have that ego.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  I was literally always open.

• 14:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 14:30Speaker 02

  Literally, I promise.

• 14:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, okay. Is there, was there ever a quarterback that you think like managed the ego of a wide receiver well?

• 14:38Speaker 02

  I think all of them. You have to, you have to be able to do that though.

• 14:40Speaker 00

  No, seriously. Because you're gonna go up to him every single time it's four and out, or three and out, whatever, and then.

• 14:46Speaker 02

  I don't bother the quarterback, ever.

• 14:47Speaker 00

  Never?

• 14:48Speaker 02

  Ever. Because he has enough shit on his plate as it is.

• 14:50Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 14:51Speaker 02

  And I, I understood that. I understood that.

• 14:53Speaker 00

  So who do you bother?

• 14:55Speaker 02

  The offensive coordinator.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  I get, I get on the phone and the first thing, uh, first thing he does, you know, you get on the phone, he's like, Ocho, what do you see? I see I'm open.

• 15:09Speaker 01

  He's got a bowl where his mic dub, he goes off as a coordinator and goes, uh, hey, can you tell someone to, uh?

• 15:14Speaker 02

  Throw me the fucking ball.

• 15:18Speaker 00

  Shows this fall, back in the lab, getting the out ready. Thank you guys for selling out all the shows. We do have tickets available for Alabama, Birmingham, Alabama, and I will be there the 6th and 7th of November. So go check those out. All the other cities, man. Thank you guys so much for selling out those shows. Really appreciate you. TheAndrewSchultz.com for tickets. See you guys soon.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  Also, great news, I'm gonna be on the road as well, not only doing some shows with Schultz, but I'll be headlining my own shows in Pasadena. At Mic Drop in San Diego, California, and then of course Detroit and Salt Lake City in the new year. I would love for you guys to come on out. Thank you so much. Alex.

• 16:04Speaker 01

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• 16:18Speaker 02

  It's really not ego, but you're paying me a certain amount of money. You're paying me a lot of money to play a child's game.

• 16:23Speaker 00

  No.

• 16:24Speaker 02

  Can you at least, can you at least let me earn my fuck?

• 16:27Speaker 00

  Was there ever a point where they looked at you like you think you're open because you're blind in one eye?

• 16:33Speaker 00

  You can only see the ball when it's right in front of you.

• 16:35Speaker 02

  And you know, a lot of people don't know that.

• 16:37Speaker 00

  This is the craziest. I didn't know that until I saw you today.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:41Speaker 00

  So since 94, you cannot see out of your right eye.

• 16:44Speaker 02

  I can't see out of my right eye. I woke up one morning, uh, my grandma, my grandma kept me home from school. I thought it was pink eye and.

• 16:52Speaker 00

  From what?

• 16:53Speaker 02

  Uh-huh?

• 16:53Speaker 00

  From what?

• 16:54Speaker 02

  I don't know, because I was still a virgin at the time.

• 16:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, but eating ass is still a virginity.

• 16:59Speaker 02

  I just started there until 20.

• 17:02Speaker 02

  No, but, um, I thought it was a pink eye. Obviously woke up, um, you know how when you have pink eyes, it's, it's shut. We go to the doctor, they give me medication, whatever it may be, and two, three weeks later, my eye's still red. And then I can't see. If you've ever been to the beach and tried to look under salt water, that's what it looked like. That was my vision. Blurry. I have surgery. I come out of surgery and I take the patch off my eye and my eye is, is, is lazy. Like it just, it's stuck. I'm like, oh my man, what, what are we doing? I'm, I'm in high school, so obviously you know people making fun of me, you know, lazy eye, cock eye. Little skinny biggie smalls, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm just doing everything.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  Can you see out of it though?

• 17:44Speaker 02

  No, I, no, I couldn't, I couldn't see still.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 17:47Speaker 02

  So you have to think, since 94, I've always had this issue where it's been blurry and now that I can, I can look at you and now it's not lazy. I can look at you and it's not lazy. At times, if I stare at the object too long, it'll roll, it'll roll a little bit at times. And so that's why you notice if I'm on nightcap, I always have on shades.

• 18:04Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 18:05Speaker 02

  Or if I'm, uh, doing anything, I always have on shades because at some point it will roll and then here go the fucking memes. Like I gotta deal with that. But it's, it's, it's hard to see, it's hard to notice. But if I tell you, you mean, you're probably, some people like, they sit there and stare at it and nothing happens.

• 18:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, I would notice.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  Just like if I'm just days off, not focused on anything, then it happens, but.

• 18:26Speaker 00

  So you're not seeing a football because you need two eyes for depth perception?

• 18:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. You're just a silhouette.

• 18:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:33Speaker 02

  All of you is a silhouette. I, I can't see the cameras, I can't see anything. And it, and that's why I, I told you earlier, if you watch my highlights again of some of my catches, you'll see I'll, if I'm, if the ball is on this side and I'm running this way, I'll let the ball cross my face. So I can catch it on this, with this eye, because I don't have the depth perception to be able to catch it, you know? Uh, let me see.

• 18:56Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 18:57Speaker 02

  D balls, if you notice D balls, sometime everybody catches them out here, I always cradle. If you look at every D ball, it's always cradled inside first because I have to wait until it gets all the way down for me to catch, catch it in flight.

• 19:09Speaker 00

  That is crazy.

• 19:10Speaker 02

  Um, if I'm running like a curl or dig route, most times they catch the ball.

• 19:15Speaker 00

  Way in front of you.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  Hands out here?

• 19:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  You notice, most of my balls are caught right here in front. Like I, I have to let it get up on me.

• 19:22Speaker 00

  But now did your opponents notice?

• 19:23Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 19:24Speaker 00

  Like did anybody in the league know? No, no, no, you, what about your players?

• 19:27Speaker 02

  No, nobody knew.

• 19:28Speaker 00

  Oh, no one knew?

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Mm-mm.

• 19:29Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Yo, because if that got out, that would have.

• 19:32Speaker 02

  I always catch the ball late. Always catch, always catch it late. Always.

• 19:37Speaker 00

  But isn't that kind of an advantage a little bit? Because then you.

• 19:39Speaker 02

  That's a disadvantage.

• 19:40Speaker 00

  Well, I would say an advantage because then the DB isn't predict, predicting you going up for a ball. So if you're delaying, delaying.

• 19:47Speaker 02

  Funny is I delayed anyway because that's, that's more of a skill set in itself.

• 19:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  Always being relaxed.

• 19:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, because now they're playing your energy. They're not playing the ball.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  Bingo. Yeah, I just, just, just laid hands. So it's, that, that, that's a good point.

• 19:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:00Speaker 02

  But even if you do have two eyes, that's a skill that you're supposed to have. And being, being relaxed in that moment when the ball is coming, not giving any damn indication.

• 20:08Speaker 00

  All right. So you told me it took you six years to run the locker room.

• 20:11Speaker 02

  Well, not, not running, I mean just music. I, I just care about the music. I don't care about anything. Because linemen, they'll fuck me up.

• 20:17Speaker 00

  They would, that, that's the.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  They, they mess me up. But whoever gets seniority rules.

• 20:22Speaker 00

  Seniority rules.

• 20:23Speaker 02

  But whoever gets to the surround sound system first gets to play the music they like.

• 20:27Speaker 00

  And you live in the arena, so.

• 20:29Speaker 02

  The first two years. I have no pool back then.

• 20:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, okay.

• 20:32Speaker 02

  First two years, yes. But by the time I got to year six, coming off, you know, two Pro Bowls already, you know, got a little seniority, got a little pool.

• 20:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  And game day, after doing all that trash talking through the media, I love to hear Sinatra. If it wasn't Sinatra, it could be blues, it could be classical, but it needed to be music that had me in a calm state of mind.

• 20:51Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  Everybody else, rah rah rah. No, no, no, no, no. I can't, I can't rah rah because my position doesn't require me to do rah rah stuff.

• 21:00Speaker 00

  That's, that's defense.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  What about team first?

• 21:04Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 21:04Speaker 01

  What about team first?

• 21:05Speaker 00

  The team need to score.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  Right. You, you, you're right, you're right. But there's no I in team. But there is me.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  Who are we talking about?

• 21:19Speaker 00

  Did anyone check you when you're playing Sinestro? Did anyone come up to you like, yo, turn the shit off?

• 21:22Speaker 02

  Nah, we don't hear that. Yeah, the linemen. Most, anyone hear that? I'm like, get some earphones.

• 21:27Speaker 00

  What about, okay. Is, alright, is there white boy fun in the locker room? Do you know what white boy fun is?

• 21:32Speaker 02

  White boy fun is crazy. Justin Smith.

• 21:34Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  Justin Smith, he was our number one pick. He would be, he would be white, white boy fun.

• 21:38Speaker 00

  What is white boy fun to you?

• 21:43Speaker 02

  Getting wasted.

• 21:45Speaker 00

  What about like tucking your dick between your legs, pretending you got a vagina and showing everybody?

• 21:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that's, that's them.

• 21:50Speaker 00

  Oh, this guy knows all about white boy fun.

• 21:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's Justin.

• 21:53Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Cowboy A.

• 21:55Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. This boy knows about white boy fun.

• 21:58Speaker 02

  He's like, eh, he's like a, he's like a scatterboat, but on defense.

• 22:01Speaker 00

  But on defense, alright. He looks like he just saw you in the shower the first time.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  Justin, Justin, Justin was funny, man. Very, very funny dude, man.

• 22:09Speaker 00

  But was there like a rule against the white boy fun? Because now white boy fun is popular.

• 22:13Speaker 02

  We don't have rules.

• 22:14Speaker 00

  There's no rules.

• 22:15Speaker 02

  Oh, I know.

• 22:16Speaker 00

  There gotta be rules.

• 22:17Speaker 02

  There's certain things you don't do, you know?

• 22:18Speaker 00

  Yeah. But, we're no, sorry. So the white guys are doing the gay jokes. And then you're saying, in the locker room, and you're saying the black dudes are totally cool with it. They're like, yeah, this is hilarious. And they're like, what the fuck is wrong with these guys?

• 22:29Speaker 02

  We don't hear too many gay jokes, though.

• 22:30Speaker 00

  Really?

• 22:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, from, from what I can remember, no. Not, not, not in that setting.

• 22:36Mark Gagnon?

  It's usually majority rules.

• 22:38Speaker 00

  That's a good point.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  But not like a little D's joke here and there, you know what I mean? A little, little D's slide in?

• 22:43Speaker 02

  No, well, I got one. Knock, knock.

• 22:45Speaker 00

  Who's there?

• 22:47Speaker 02

  D's.

• 22:48Speaker 00

  Okay, no.

• 22:49Speaker 02

  No, I'm not gonna say, it's a different joke.

• 22:51Speaker 00

  It's different than the one I was in?

• 22:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:54Speaker 01

  D's who, Ojo?

• 22:55Speaker 02

  D's nuts.

• 23:00Speaker 00

  Can we edit that? That's not fair. He lied. No, he lied. If he lied, we can edit it.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  He lost it.

• 23:10Speaker 00

  That's not funny. No, that's not funny.

• 23:13Speaker 02

  Dude. You got it.

• 23:14Speaker 00

  Nah, nah, nah.

• 23:17Speaker 00

  Aw, dude, there is.

• 23:18Speaker 02

  My bad, my bad.

• 23:19Speaker 00

  You can't do that anymore. Dude, I got him with the same thing when we were at the Imagine Dragons.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:25Speaker 00

  Did you ever see it?

• 23:26Speaker 02

  No, Imagine Dragons.

• 23:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, Imagine Dragon, these nuts and shit.

• 23:33Speaker 00

  That's what you get, Ojo. That's what you get.

• 23:36Speaker 02

  I'm stealing that. I never heard that one.

• 23:38Speaker 00

  We got plenty for days, bro.

• 23:40Speaker 02

  I never heard that one.

• 23:40Speaker 00

  Aw, dude. This is.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  Imagine Dragon.

• 23:43Speaker 00

  Imagine Dragon, these nuts.

• 23:44Speaker 02

  I'm using that.

• 23:48Speaker 00

  I have a feeling we're gonna do about five more.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  I never heard that one. That's a good one.

• 23:54Speaker 00

  Come on, man.

• 23:56Mark Gagnon?

  The next nightcap's gonna be awesome.

• 23:58Speaker 00

  We gotta set you up with like 10.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  How do I, how do I, how do I lean into that?

• 24:02Speaker 00

  Alright, so you'd be like, um.

• 24:03Speaker 02

  I gotta get, um.

• 24:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was nothing like, you say, like, yeah, that was good, but that wasn't like Imagine Dragons. And they'll be like, Imagine Dragons?

• 24:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:12Speaker 00

  What's that?

• 24:18Speaker 00

  It is a band. Imagine Dragons is a band.

• 24:21Speaker 02

  Oh, it is?

• 24:21Speaker 00

  Yeah. So they'll be like, you mean the band? You'll be like, no, not the bands. And they'll be like, well, what? And then boom.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  I got it. I got it.

• 24:27Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, we got some bangers. I'm trying to think, what's the other one?

• 24:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta keep.

• 24:33Mark Gagnon?

  I'm around these guys, anytime they say something, what I, I gotta hesitate.

• 24:37Speaker 02

  You gotta hesitate first.

• 24:38Mark Gagnon?

  You gotta chill for a little bit.

• 24:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, okay.

• 24:39Mark Gagnon?

  Got you.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  Well, who was funny in the locker room? Like, what kind of antics would go on?

• 24:46Speaker 02

  Cold tub, rookies, the hazing.

• 24:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, what is?

• 24:49Speaker 02

  Cutting the hair.

• 24:49Speaker 00

  What is the hazing with rookies? And is it soft now? Like, does the league clamp down or they still get to?

• 24:54Speaker 02

  No, I don't know. I think they, they probably still do it. The rookie dinners, you know?

• 24:58Speaker 00

  I heard about the rookie dinner.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  Taking all the receivers out, or taking all the linemen, and then running up the tab, 30, you know, 20 ran. And as a rookie, well, some rookies, some have it, some don't.

• 25:09Speaker 00

  So what do they do if they don't have it?

• 25:11Speaker 02

  You gotta, you gotta pay it. Yeah, you gotta pay it. I think maybe the vets might help sometimes, but, I mean, it's.

• 25:18Speaker 00

  So you know it's a rule?

• 25:19Speaker 02

  It's an unwritten rule, though. It's always, it's always been that way. It's always been that way. When it was my turn to do it, I didn't do it.

• 25:25Speaker 00

  Wait, hold on.

• 25:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I didn't, I didn't do, I didn't do it to the receivers. No.

• 25:29Speaker 00

  No, no, but they didn't do it to you.

• 25:31Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, they did it to me.

• 25:32Speaker 00

  And you are a frugal man.

• 25:33Speaker 02

  I'm cheap as fuck.

• 25:34Speaker 00

  So.

• 25:35Speaker 02

  Oh shit, I cursed. Sorry.

• 25:36Speaker 00

  No, we cursed.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  We curse all the time.

• 25:37Mark Gagnon?

  You're actually required to, yeah.

• 25:38Speaker 00

  We just said Imagine Dragging These Nuts on your mouth.

• 25:41Speaker 02

  Oh, my bad, my bad.

• 25:43Speaker 00

  You can curse as much as you want.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm cursing. I just, I just got baptized.

• 25:47Speaker 00

  Oh, did you?

• 25:47Speaker 02

  Again, yeah.

• 25:48Speaker 00

  Congratulations, man.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, appreciate it. Yeah, the last one was wearing off.

• 25:52Speaker 00

  So you had to run it back.

• 25:56Speaker 00

  You need a refresher sometimes, bro. You need that refresher.

• 25:58Mark Gagnon?

  You need to re-up sometimes. That's important.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  Is that how it works?

• 26:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  I could just get baptized and I'm straight. I get start over?

• 26:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, you gotta, you gotta apply yourself a little bit. Bro, you get to start over every time you confess, man.

• 26:11Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, I mean, every time you just talk to God, you know?

• 26:13Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  That's easy. I'm gonna try it as well. Yeah.

• 26:16Speaker 00

  But you gotta believe it, bro. What is that, 22 Gs?

• 26:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. That's what they made you spend?

• 26:21Speaker 02

  Uh, no. We went to, um, Steakhouse. It didn't come, it didn't come to 22. It came to, mine was, I think, maybe 19. And this is all the way back then. This was 2001.

• 26:32Speaker 00

  19 then is probably like 30 now.

• 26:34Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Big time. Big time. The champagne. I don't even drink, so I don't know what they're drinking.

• 26:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  But it, it was cool. And I, I understood it. I wasn't tripping. Like.

• 26:46Mark Gagnon?

  But you know what's about to happen the whole time?

• 26:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, you know. I mean, coming in as a rookie, you know, hazing is a part, it's always been part of the NFL. It's part of the culture in general. But I always thought about, you know what?

• 26:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  You're doing this now and I'm the one here to take your job anyway.

• 26:58Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 26:59Speaker 02

  So I'm not tripping.

• 27:03Speaker 02

  That's the way I thought.

• 27:04Speaker 00

  And did you take it?

• 27:05Speaker 02

  I did.

• 27:05Speaker 00

  And you feel good about it?

• 27:07Speaker 02

  I was okay. I was okay.

• 27:10Speaker 00

  Now that everybody knows you for the frugal and stuff, and you're like, I'll wear the fake jewelry, I'm not spending, I'm saving money.

• 27:15Speaker 02

  Oh, when I was playing, oh, I wouldn't buy a shit real.

• 27:18Speaker 00

  But the girls don't know when you're playing.

• 27:20Speaker 02

  They never know.

• 27:21Speaker 00

  So what happens? Because I've heard these stories, I don't know if this is actually real, but like, a girl is, there might be a girl that's into you because of your looks and your charming personality.

• 27:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, right.

• 27:30Speaker 00

  Okay. Alright, so we know what it is, right? So like, they're hunting.

• 27:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're all hunting.

• 27:36Speaker 00

  They're hunting.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  Always.

• 27:37Speaker 00

  Hunting.

• 27:37Speaker 02

  Always. Sometimes we play into it.

• 27:39Speaker 00

  And you play into it?

• 27:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:40Speaker 00

  Like, are they showing up to hotel rooms? These are the rumors we used to hear.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  That I haven't seen. I think maybe, maybe with the NBA dudes, they do the whole show up to the hotel room thing.

• 27:50Speaker 00

  Okay, okay.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  Because that's a lick. You talk about, you know, getting a dude and him knocking you up.

• 27:55Speaker 00

  400 million dollar contract, bro.

• 27:56Speaker 02

  Hey, what?

• 27:57Speaker 00

  Game over.

• 27:57Speaker 02

  Talk about changing your life?

• 27:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:59Speaker 02

  That's different. NBA, NFL players, eh, have a little fun. You know, get your heel, get your fucking Chanel purse.

• 28:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  That's it. You know, that's temporary.

• 28:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  That's not, no, that's not long-term, oh, I'm set. Absolutely not.

• 28:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 28:12Speaker 00

  Okay, so.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  I mean, sometimes the players are making money from it. Like, that guy for the 49ers.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  That was, that was, that was dope. Listen.

• 28:18Speaker 00

  He was making lots of money. What'd you think about that?

• 28:20Speaker 02

  Karisha, young Miami.

• 28:21Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 28:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. You had a song.

• 28:23Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  And the words are. Where my scamming ass bitches at? And we get one, and he goes to jail.

• 28:33Speaker 00

  Crazy, right?

• 28:35Mark Gagnon?

  It's double standard.

• 28:36Speaker 02

  You sang about it.

• 28:38Speaker 00

  You invoked it.

• 28:39Speaker 02

  The tongue is a powerful thing.

• 28:40Speaker 00

  Yes, it is.

• 28:41Speaker 02

  The tongue is a powerful thing.

• 28:41Speaker 00

  Yes, it is.

• 28:42Speaker 02

  And we get Dejounte Love showing us how to scam.

• 28:45Speaker 00

  Free Dejounte. Now, can you be, let's be honest here, because when this scam hit, everybody acted like this was like a novel thing. The amount of friends I had pretending to be in the NFL.

• 28:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's easy to do, you know that, right?

• 28:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, because you got the helmet on. People don't know what you guys look like.

• 29:01Speaker 02

  If you, everyone's not visible, you know? Or they're, they don't have the exposure like a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, who are out their helmets enough to know. But smart women, real hunters, they know.

• 29:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, tell us about the real hunters, yeah.

• 29:14Speaker 02

  I mean, the real hunters know. There's no reason, when I, think about this.

• 29:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:17Speaker 02

  Where I talk about being cheap when I played, not buying real watches, because, what time is it, real quick?

• 29:23Mark Gagnon?

  12:30?

• 29:24Speaker 02

  12:30. That shit didn't cost me anything. So why am I wearing an $80,000 fucking Rolex?

• 29:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:28Speaker 02

  Making someone else rich because of the name that's on the watch. Fuck you.

• 29:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  Anyway, chains, earrings, everything was clear, right?

• 29:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:35Speaker 02

  So the women during the time when I was playing, they've already Googled how much I make. So what am I doing? Why am I in the club, buying?

• 29:43Speaker 00

  Trying to show you how rich I am when my contract is public information.

• 29:46Speaker 02

  Popping bottles, $30,000, $40,000 fucking check, and she has on fucking $100 heels and a $5 dress. What are we doing?

• 29:57Speaker 00

  What are we doing?

• 29:59Speaker 02

  What are we doing? I always, I think about this, right? And I think about how financially conscious I am when it comes to spending money. If I have a hundred bucks.

• 30:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  And there's a woman that I want and I like, what do I have to do to get to her? That, that hundred bucks becomes what? 50? So you just chop everything in half? So if we thought more about what are we doing, what are we getting in return? What's the ROI there? What's the fucking ROI?

• 30:26Mark Gagnon?

  Now we're talking ROI. There we go.

• 30:27Speaker 02

  What is it?

• 30:29Speaker 02

  I'm just asking.

• 30:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, a nut.

• 30:31Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 30:31Speaker 00

  That's it.

• 30:32Speaker 02

  So I, I implore all men, no matter how fine she is.

• 30:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:37Speaker 02

  Get a visual, because we're all visual creatures.

• 30:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  Get some lotion.

• 30:42Mark Gagnon?

  How much is lotion? Lotion is nothing.

• 30:44Speaker 00

  Lotion almost.

• 30:45Mark Gagnon?

  Sometimes free in the hotel.

• 30:46Speaker 02

  Matter of fact, just get the travel size.

• 30:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  Too much?

• 30:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:50Mark Gagnon?

  It's not that big.

• 30:50Speaker 00

  Finish the whole lotion, bro.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  Never.

• 30:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:53Speaker 02

  Think about, posting that clarity. How many times you step with somebody?

• 30:56Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  And after it's over, they got a dick.

• 30:58Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, wait, hold on a minute. What did you say? What do you mean? Damn, man, this is clear to me now. It wasn't clear to me the day before, but now there's a whole day. The ball is grown. Shit, man.

• 31:10Mark Gagnon?

  It's the counter.

• 31:11Speaker 02

  It happens.

• 31:13Speaker 02

  But it's happened to all of us, I'm sure, at some point.

• 31:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:17Speaker 02

  You fight, you go through all this stuff, you know, the whole, what do they call it? Oh, court me.

• 31:24Speaker 00

  Court me.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, court me, take me to dinner, let me get to know you.

• 31:28Speaker 00

  But you're an NFL player, are they still making you court?

• 31:31Speaker 02

  Me? I court shit.

• 31:32Speaker 00

  I know, you're taking to McDonald's.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  I'm going to McDonald's, drive through.

• 31:34Speaker 00

  Drive through?

• 31:38Mark Gagnon?

  I'm not parking in the car. Yeah, you can't go inside.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  Sitting inside a McDonald's and eating with someone that I just met, that's very intimate.

• 31:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:46Speaker 02

  That's intimate. We're not doing that unless we're walking down.

• 31:48Speaker 00

  We gotta get there first.

• 31:49Mark Gagnon?

  You can't go inside the McDonald's.

• 31:51Speaker 00

  No, Ice Spice just got attacked and shit. Dangerous.

• 31:55Speaker 00

  That's an excellent point.

• 31:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:56Speaker 00

  Alright, so early on, you get into the league, is it like, are the OGs in the league sitting you down? Because now they do this. Now they have like, you know, teams, you know, they have like personnel that basically goes, hey, girls are gonna come after you and try to do this.

• 32:09Speaker 02

  They had that at the rookie symposium.

• 32:10Speaker 00

  They did have that.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. And the NFL has it for every rookie, you know, we all, all the rookies can go to the NFL symposium.

• 32:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 32:16Speaker 02

  Talk about money, talk about the women.

• 32:18Speaker 00

  But how do they say it? How are they like, yo?

• 32:20Speaker 02

  It's presented in a, in a very professional manner.

• 32:23Speaker 00

  But what do they really say? There's some gold diggers out there and they're gonna try to get you.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  They don't talk like that, they need to do it like that. But they do, they, they say it as if they're campaigning to us.

• 32:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  I don't talk, don't, don't, you know?

• 32:36Speaker 00

  Can you talk to me?

• 32:37Speaker 02

  I wish the NFL used me to talk about financial literacy.

• 32:42Speaker 00

  I think that'd be a good idea.

• 32:44Speaker 02

  I wish they, I wish they would. But I don't think players would listen anyway, because everyone is caught up in the image.

• 32:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  In today's society, today's era, it's all about how you look.

• 32:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  And I try to tell players today, especially those that, that are good and, and famous, and we all, women already know who they are, you don't have to do that.

• 33:02Speaker 00

  You don't need to drive a Honda.

• 33:03Speaker 02

  And you, you can be walking, you can be catching up, because it's you.

• 33:06Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 33:07Speaker 02

  They're going regardless.

• 33:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  Now, there are some players that have to do that. I have to wear the jewelry, I have to, you know, ride the fancy car in order to get the attention I want from the women that I wanna date.

• 33:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  That I wanna date.

• 33:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:17Speaker 02

  You have to.

• 33:18Speaker 00

  But you can leave the car, you can get the, the fake jewelry.

• 33:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:21Speaker 00

  Alright, so, but tell us about how like they're hunting, like, are there real operators? Like, some of these girls, like, and are, are you aware of it at a, as a young age? Are, are your friends or other players know? And like, they get caught up in it and you're trying to tell them like, yo, dude, you gotta, she's...

• 33:37Speaker 02

  I think when you're young and you're playing, you don't care.

• 33:42Speaker 02

  Because it's coming in, and now that you have money, you know you have access to something you've never had access to before.

• 33:47Speaker 00

  So you're saying they weren't getting girls before, a lot of these guys?

• 33:49Speaker 02

  I'm sure, I'm sure they were, but not that caliber, you know, the caliber.

• 33:52Speaker 00

  Now, these are, these are blue checks, these are kinda famous girls, they're trying to hit you.

• 33:55Speaker 02

  And, and, and they're really no different than the ones from college, it's just, it just costs a little bit more.

• 34:00Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  That's all, that's all it is.

• 34:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:02Speaker 02

  Oh, she's the ten, no, she's just more expensive than the other ones were, that's all it is. The price tag changes.

• 34:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:08Speaker 02

  That's it, yeah, she looks good. Yeah, the money changes, what you have to spend changes, that's all it comes down to.

• 34:14Speaker 00

  But do they also have game too? Because some of these girls in order to operate at the highest level.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  Some, some know how, at the highest level, some, they know how to play the long game.

• 34:21Speaker 00

  What does that mean?

• 34:22Speaker 02

  The long game?

• 34:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  Pretending like you care? Huh? Women know how to fake orgasm, you mean they can't fake a relationship? What are you talking about?

• 34:32Mark Gagnon?

  So, when you, uh, when they bring all the rookies together, why don't they bring some of these hunters in to put them on game? Like, bring the girls in to just do it?

• 34:39Speaker 02

  I don't think the NFL would have the women that actually do and have them come in and talk like that, I don't, I don't think they would do that.

• 34:44Mark Gagnon?

  They're trying to help them out. Deion Sanders used to do that.

• 34:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, Deion brought in.

• 34:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw that, the college team, I get it, NFL, absolutely not, they're not doing that.

• 34:53Speaker 00

  And you think it's a PR risk for them to do that?

• 34:56Speaker 02

  I, I think so in a sense, and I just, I just think for them, that's some, that wouldn't align with what they do. They just have people that have been in a situation before and explain, and explain and let them know what to watch out for.

• 35:09Speaker 00

  But what's interesting about like your frugality is that it basically stops the gold digging in its tracks, unless they're willing to pay, play a very long game for it. You're like, you're gonna eat McDonald's for a while if you wanna get to the gold.

• 35:26Speaker 02

  Well, obviously I eat other food too, I eat soul food.

• 35:30Speaker 02

  You know? I eat soul food, I eat Cuban food, I mean, in Miami now, Bahama Breeze is closed down.

• 35:34Speaker 00

  Bahama Breeze is fire.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  Brimstone.

• 35:38Speaker 00

  Brimstone?

• 35:39Speaker 02

  Brimstone, you know, Brimstone is like a Houston's in a sense, they, it's in Miami. Brim.

• 35:43Speaker 00

  There's another one called Brimstone, because there was a Hillstone there too.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  For real?

• 35:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't, I don't know.

• 35:49Speaker 00

  Anyway, go.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  I'm trying to think, what, what else would I eat? Um, I said Cuban food.

• 35:52Mark Gagnon?

  I thought he was trying to catch you.

• 35:53Speaker 00

  I thought he was getting you too, I thought you was setting him up.

• 35:55Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, I'm being serious right now.

• 35:57Mark Gagnon?

  But that's how, that's how you set him up.

• 35:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, so, do you know about?

• 36:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, trying to think what else, uh, Jamaican food, there's a restaurant I love in Wynwood called Dukenoo. Jamaican, Jamaican Caribbean cuisine.

• 36:08Speaker 00

  You fucking with me right now?

• 36:09Speaker 02

  No, Dukenoo, you never heard of that? Nah, I prom, I'm not joking, I'm not joking. No, it's called Du, ask them to put it up there. Dukenoo.

• 36:18Speaker 00

  It's called Dukenoo?

• 36:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, D U K U N O O. Dukenoo Restaurant in Miami, in Wynwood, I guarantee you, so you know I'm not joking.

• 36:27Speaker 00

  Alright, fair enough.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  What does it say? See? See, you thought I was lying?

• 36:31Speaker 00

  Nah, nah, nah.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, see?

• 36:33Speaker 00

  Alright.

• 36:33Speaker 02

  Um, what, what else do I like? That's it, and then obviously, my McDonald's, I slowed down now, I'm, I'm fucking 58, I can't eat it five, six times a week like I used to, but... Yeah, that's, that's, that's my diet.

• 36:44Speaker 00

  Wow, black don't crack, man, this is 58, right?

• 36:47Speaker 02

  I've been to Poppy Steak.

• 36:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  I've been to Poppy Steak twice.

• 36:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  No, two dates, two exes.

• 36:53Speaker 00

  That's serious?

• 36:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:55Speaker 00

  So you married them though?

• 36:56Speaker 02

  No, I don't know, I didn't get, I didn't get married.

• 36:58Speaker 00

  Or not married them, but you guys had.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  They made it long enough to get to the Poppy Steak.

• 37:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, that's a big deal for you.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  The presentation at Poppy Steak?

• 37:07Speaker 02

  Dave Grutman, if you see this, let me know, head chef, I'll send my credentials.

• 37:13Speaker 00

  Why, you wanna?

• 37:14Speaker 02

  I can cook.

• 37:15Speaker 00

  Really?

• 37:16Speaker 02

  What?

• 37:16Speaker 00

  Wait, what do you cook?

• 37:17Speaker 02

  Me?

• 37:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:18Speaker 02

  My specialty?

• 37:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  Spaghetti.

• 37:22Speaker 00

  Spaghetti with anything else or just spaghetti?

• 37:24Speaker 02

  Spaghetti and meatballs.

• 37:25Speaker 00

  Spaghetti and meatballs, alright.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, any kind of meatballs.

• 37:28Speaker 00

  What kind?

• 37:29Speaker 02

  Italian meatballs.

• 37:32Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 37:33Mark Gagnon?

  This nigga's in the back, dude.

• 37:36Speaker 00

  So you were chef, Italian. What makes the meatballs Italian? Chef Ojo, what makes them Italian, bro?

• 37:44Speaker 02

  They're imported from Italy.

• 37:47Speaker 00

  You heat up the meatballs and put it on the dish.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  That's how you know I'm a real chef.

• 37:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, that is true.

• 37:51Speaker 02

  Depends on the meatballs you use.

• 37:53Speaker 00

  That is true, that is true, yeah, yeah. Wow, that's crazy. Nah, that's wild, bro. Nah, I didn't know that was it.

• 37:58Speaker 02

  It's all about ingredients.

• 38:00Speaker 00

  Put them in Poppy Steak immediately. Yeah, I fully agree. Bro, they did the, I was, we were at Poppy Steak, were we all there? Yeah, it was for like my boy, no, it was just for my boy's bachelor party.

• 38:10Speaker 02

  The tomahawk, the tomahawk steak where they open the briefcase?

• 38:12Speaker 00

  Let me tell you exactly what they did. They, they're like, like, Grutman was like, oh, I was like, yo, we're gonna go, it's my buddy's bachelor party or whatever like that, he's like, alright, I got you. We go there, we don't even order the tomahawks, they're like, listen, we got the steak show for you. And I was like, alright. They come in, they do the whole, the sparklers are going crazy, they open the case.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  The lights go down.

• 38:33Speaker 00

  The lights go down, the whole place is cheering, there's video cameras everywhere, they show us the steak, right? And then they close it and they go back, I'm assuming to cook it.

• 38:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:44Speaker 00

  Nothing happens, Bill comes, and we're like, what's up with the, with the steak? And they're like, oh no, that was just the show.

• 38:55Speaker 00

  That's some crazy, no! Motherfuckers didn't even cook it! They just put it right back to do another show later! Who orders just the show? Nah, that's smart.

• 39:05Speaker 02

  That's smart.

• 39:06Speaker 00

  That, that's if Ojo was a chef, that's what he would do. See, you know, you might do that. You bring out the show steak and then you bring out the, you know?

• 39:12Speaker 02

  Hey, depending on who it is, you know, you're on a date, you really don't have it like that, but you wanna impress her?

• 39:18Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  The presentation, you know, the optics alone.

• 39:21Mark Gagnon?

  Exactly.

• 39:22Speaker 02

  Catches the woman.

• 39:23Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 39:24Speaker 02

  They're, they're in the aesthetics.

• 39:27Speaker 00

  How the fu, I got two kids, man.

• 39:29Speaker 02

  That's it?

• 39:29Speaker 00

  I know, bro.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  It's an old, old, old.

• 39:33Speaker 00

  Two?

• 39:34Speaker 02

  Just two.

• 39:34Speaker 00

  How old?

• 39:35Speaker 02

  Okay, how old, how old?

• 39:36Speaker 00

  You're looking at me like I'm gay for not having a daughter.

• 39:40Speaker 02

  Honestly, two is uncivilized.

• 39:41Speaker 00

  Two?

• 39:42Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 39:43Speaker 02

  Like, seriously.

• 39:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:45Speaker 02

  Like, two, it's like, you don't sound like you're a quitter.

• 39:49Speaker 00

  You don't know how hard I worked for two. You don't know how hard I worked for two, bro. So, listen, uh, so, and it's like, two is a lot exhausting.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  You think so?

• 39:59Speaker 00

  Brother, and, so you got the pods, you're traveling, not something, you were at the flight, fight in Vegas, you did the nightcap right after that, you said, you immediately flew to Miami, flew up here.

• 40:07Speaker 02

  Did nightcap last night, ended at 2:30, jumped on a plane this morning at 6:00 AM.

• 40:13Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 40:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:13Speaker 00

  So, and you have, how many kids here?

• 40:15Speaker 02

  I have eight.

• 40:15Speaker 00

  Eight kids?

• 40:16Speaker 02

  And I want twins.

• 40:17Speaker 00

  And you want two more?

• 40:18Speaker 02

  You know why?

• 40:19Speaker 00

  Why?

• 40:20Speaker 02

  Because I'm not a fucking quitter.

• 40:23Speaker 02

  I'm getting back in there.

• 40:24Speaker 00

  Can you just tell me how you manage this?

• 40:27Speaker 02

  Alright, I started very early, because my oldest is 28.

• 40:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:31Speaker 02

  I started very early, so I still, on a serious note, all jokes aside, talking fatherhood here.

• 40:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:37Speaker 02

  I don't know what it was like to be a father full-time. My dad was never there. But I always told myself I'll always be able to provide for my little ones. And obviously, they were extreme inspiration and motivation to keep going always.

• 40:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  Even at my highest, even at my lowest, because I did fall at one point. I was able to climb back up, I knew I had to dust myself off and keep going because I got them.

• 41:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  So I just kept going, now, back at the height of everything. Again, you know, God willing, thank you for a second chance, many of us are not afforded those second chances, right? And I'm like, I miss so much time because of the sacrifice it takes to be as good as I was at what I do, or what I did.

• 41:18Speaker 00

  Yep, yep.

• 41:19Speaker 02

  I still don't know what it is like to be a father full-time. I know what it's like to provide financially, oh, that's the easy part.

• 41:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:25Speaker 02

  But I never got the experience picking up from school, parent teacher conference.

• 41:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:30Speaker 02

  Dropping off the track practice, picking up from track practice, helping with homework.

• 41:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:34Speaker 02

  Going to band practice, I mean, it's all, I don't know what that's like, because six months out the year, I'm on the field.

• 41:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:40Speaker 02

  Then I only have one month home, then it's right back training, then it's off-season program. So that was my life for so long, so I missed most of what it was like. So, now that all my, all, really, all my kids, the five, one, two, three, four, five are grown, I can't even get a phone call. Unless it's for money.

• 42:02Speaker 02

  Hey dad, what's up? I'm just checking in. Yeah, how much?

• 42:05Speaker 00

  Immediately.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  Immediately. But we're good. So obviously, I have Cha Cha. I have a daughter, Cha Cha. She plays tennis. Phenomenal.

• 42:14Speaker 00

  How old?

• 42:15Speaker 02

  Eleven.

• 42:16Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 42:16Speaker 02

  She looks like a pro. Technique, everything. Boom. Yeah. Let's go. I have Kennedy. Diva.

• 42:23Speaker 00

  How old?

• 42:23Speaker 02

  She played trumpet. Eleven. And then I have French Fry. French Fry, four. I don't know what French Fry is gonna do. But she has, she's very Ocho Cinco-ish.

• 42:33Speaker 00

  What do you mean? She has the personality?

• 42:35Speaker 02

  Personality.

• 42:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:36Speaker 02

  Like, she has, she has that spunk. You know, something you can't teach. And you know what else I didn't do?

• 42:41Mark Gagnon?

  You really love McDonald's, bro.

• 42:46Speaker 02

  Because when she was born, she was like a little yellow fry.

• 42:54Speaker 00

  Her real name is French Fry?

• 42:56Speaker 01

  That's her, like, government?

• 42:57Speaker 02

  No, I mean, no, no. No.

• 42:58Speaker 00

  She gotta change it like you did, though.

• 43:00Speaker 02

  Her name is Serenity, but I call her French Fry.

• 43:02Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  And, um, dude, I, I, I love it. I love kids. And I didn't do things the traditional way. The way they suppose. One wife, picket fence.

• 43:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:13Speaker 02

  One person to have all your kids. No. You know, I, I have multiple moms, but I consider us all as one.

• 43:19Speaker 00

  But how do you manage all of that?

• 43:21Speaker 02

  Because I don't, everybody understands.

• 43:23Speaker 00

  Is everybody more or less cordial?

• 43:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, everybody's cordial. We're all, we're all aligned. We're all aligned with the same, same goals.

• 43:30Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 43:30Speaker 02

  Kids first.

• 43:31Speaker 00

  Got it. But is there ever like, hey, this person's going to this school and I want, I want her to go to this school?

• 43:37Speaker 02

  I never had any issues, ever. Small, small disagreements here and there.

• 43:42Speaker 00

  Disagreements are normal. Everybody's gonna have it. But like, I'm just telling you from managing career and kids and like wanting to be involved as possible.

• 43:50Speaker 02

  You know, you know what makes it easy?

• 43:51Speaker 00

  Tell me.

• 43:52Speaker 02

  The people I chose to have kids from.

• 43:53Speaker 00

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• 44:37Speaker 00

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• 46:36Speaker 00

  Can you tell me the best ethnicity?

• 46:38Speaker 02

  And I, I, remember, you gotta think, I don't procreate with women that are athletic.

• 46:41Speaker 00

  You're only procreating. Are you trying to say you have no white baby mamas?

• 46:45Speaker 02

  No. Should I try vanilla?

• 46:48Speaker 00

  If you want twins.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  You know, oh, are you serious?

• 46:52Speaker 00

  Yes. Wait, what? What the hell is that? There's a lot of white twins.

• 46:56Speaker 02

  Well, if I want twins, I was thinking about getting...

• 46:58Speaker 00

  Only black Tia and Tamara? I don't know who else is black twins, right? White twins are all the time, like, whenever you see twins, they're white.

• 47:06Speaker 02

  The Eminem kids.

• 47:08Speaker 00

  It's crazy.

• 47:09Speaker 02

  Remember the Eminem kids, the fat kids from the movie a long time ago? They were twins. They called them the Eminems. They were really big, big, big young kids. You remember?

• 47:16Mark Gagnon?

  No.

• 47:17Speaker 02

  All right, never mind.

• 47:17Speaker 00

  All right, you're telling me, but when you're choosing mothers?

• 47:20Speaker 02

  Twins, oh, athletic.

• 47:21Speaker 00

  So you, you go athletic?

• 47:23Speaker 02

  Yes. Did you play volleyball? Did you cheer?

• 47:25Speaker 00

  And you're, you going through this when you...

• 47:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is, these are first-day fucking questions.

• 47:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  No, these are first, first-day questions.

• 47:31Speaker 00

  You're sitting at the drive-thru in McDonald's. And you're, and you're going, so did you play any sports when you were younger?

• 47:36Speaker 02

  Well, did you cheer? Are you athletic? Did you do anything, anything athletic? So the most important foundation, right, for a child? 98% of a child's athletic ability come from the mom. A lot of people don't know that.

• 47:48Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, wow.

• 47:49Speaker 02

  It does. So that's why I ask those questions. And I love to see footage.

• 47:53Speaker 00

  I got my dick from my mom.

• 47:55Speaker 02

  What?

• 47:56Speaker 00

  I got my dick from my mom.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  Is that, is that like, good or bad?

• 48:00Speaker 00

  I mean, my dad has a bigger dick.

• 48:03Speaker 02

  So, damn, that's fucked up.

• 48:06Speaker 00

  But you know, we all get our dicks from our mom.

• 48:09Speaker 02

  Serious?

• 48:09Speaker 00

  Genetically, yeah. It's like you get your hairline from your mom's dad. And you get your dick from your mom.

• 48:14Mark Gagnon?

  I'm wondering how many fake facts they gonna keep throwing around.

• 48:18Speaker 00

  Google it.

• 48:18Mark Gagnon?

  Can we talk about why people have more twins? You're talking about you get 98 of your athleticism from your mom. Y'all just throw it out just for us.

• 48:26Speaker 00

  White, white people have a lot of twins. Asians, too.

• 48:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, I'm, I'm dating someone that's Cambodian right now.

• 48:31Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:32Speaker 00

  Is that your first?

• 48:33Speaker 02

  I want twins.

• 48:33Speaker 00

  Is that your first into that world?

• 48:35Speaker 02

  Yes, it is.

• 48:36Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 48:37Speaker 02

  No, promise you.

• 48:38Speaker 00

  And tell me how, has that been different at all with...

• 48:41Speaker 02

  It, it, it has culturally. Um, it, it's been different, but, but it's cool. I, I don't, I mean, just different.

• 48:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's different. I, I, I like it. And I'm, wanna pop the question.

• 48:52Speaker 00

  Oh. The question is, do we wanna start a family together?

• 48:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, do you want twins?

• 48:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. And if she wants twins, I'll probably, I'll probably do FBI.

• 49:03Speaker 00

  What is that?

• 49:03Speaker 01

  IVF.

• 49:12Speaker 00

  What is happening right now? We gotta get the feds involved. We're supposed to, we gotta get the feds involved.

• 49:19Mark Gagnon?

  We need an investigation.

• 49:19Speaker 00

  I did both of my kids with IVF.

• 49:22Speaker 02

  Swear to God.

• 49:22Speaker 00

  Well, yeah, cuz my sperm doesn't really swim. I got my dick from my mom.

• 49:26Speaker 02

  Are you joking?

• 49:27Speaker 00

  No, I think that's serious. My sperm doesn't really swim, though.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  Listen, so you're perfect.

• 49:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  How much is it?

• 49:33Speaker 00

  It's like, it's expensive, bro.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  Well, when you say expensive, you're expensive, my expensive, like...

• 49:38Speaker 00

  Knowing how frugal you are?

• 49:39Speaker 02

  You're, you're richer than me.

• 49:40Speaker 00

  Let me tell you, here's the, first of all, no. You played in the NFL.

• 49:44Speaker 02

  I know.

• 49:44Speaker 00

  But you also got eight babies.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  But I, I wasn't on child support.

• 49:49Speaker 00

  All right, you're not a single one?

• 49:50Speaker 02

  I didn't have to deal with that, but, no, I didn't do, I didn't date, I didn't have, I didn't procreate with IG models.

• 49:56Mark Gagnon?

  That's impressive.

• 49:57Speaker 00

  But you, but you also gotta take care of, eight kids is expensive to take, bro.

• 50:01Speaker 02

  No, kids aren't expensive. What you choose to buy is.

• 50:04Speaker 00

  School.

• 50:05Speaker 02

  Huh? Cheap.

• 50:07Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  Let's go. Come on, bring it to me.

• 50:10Speaker 00

  Camp.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Cheap.

• 50:12Speaker 00

  No.

• 50:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is. Camp is, camp is cheap.

• 50:16Speaker 00

  College?

• 50:16Mark Gagnon?

  I don't know, college?

• 50:17Speaker 00

  College, college.

• 50:18Speaker 02

  Academic scholarships.

• 50:20Speaker 00

  Wow. Poor, athletic, if they're really good at the thing that you planned for in the first place.

• 50:25Speaker 02

  See?

• 50:26Speaker 00

  This is foresight right here.

• 50:27Speaker 02

  Hey, I, I saw it, I saw it.

• 50:28Speaker 00

  For a guy with no vision, you have incredible vision.

• 50:34Speaker 00

  Whoa. Okay, okay. Do we have any confirmation about where you're different?

• 50:38Speaker 01

  Peanut length is not inherited from one parent's size. It's a complex mix of genes contributed by your mother and your father.

• 50:43Speaker 00

  I lied.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  And statistically, twins are the highest amongst black women.

• 50:49Speaker 02

  See, oh, for two... What happened the last eight times?

• 50:53Speaker 00

  But you're good, so here's the thing where I would say your frugality is gonna come into play.

• 50:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 50:57Speaker 00

  If you do, if you do IVF to get them pregnant, to get the twins.

• 51:01Speaker 02

  FBI.

• 51:01Speaker 00

  FBI, sorry. Yeah, you're right, yeah.

• 51:07Speaker 00

  Okay. Uh, if you do FBI to get a pregnant, you're gonna have to pay. You have been prolific.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  Can I make payments? Or they need one lump sum?

• 51:17Speaker 00

  I think, I think that they would trust...

• 51:19Mark Gagnon?

  You could finance it.

• 51:20Speaker 00

  You could finance it.

• 51:21Speaker 02

  Finance it?

• 51:21Speaker 00

  I think you could finance it.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  Two, three years? Or as, as the child...

• 51:26Speaker 00

  A guy, a guy as successful as you, I think that they would let you do it however you want it. I think they would let you do it however you want.

• 51:33Speaker 02

  I like that.

• 51:33Speaker 00

  I think you could put on a credit card and then...

• 51:34Speaker 01

  Could you make the kid pay for it? That'd be kinda smart.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 51:38Speaker 01

  Be like, hey, IVF is the greatest gift ever. You're here.

• 51:40Speaker 00

  Earn your keep.

• 51:41Speaker 02

  So, once you hit 18, or once you get a job at 15.

• 51:44Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 51:45Speaker 02

  Start like I did at McDonald's.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  Garnish the wages. And you gotta pay off your existence.

• 51:49Speaker 00

  Okay, so that's...

• 51:50Speaker 02

  I like that.

• 51:50Speaker 00

  And now you're gonna go, so you got Cambodian?

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Cambodian, yeah.

• 51:53Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 51:54Speaker 02

  We call her Cambodia, too.

• 51:56Speaker 00

  Wait, how did you know her nickname, bro? How'd you know that?

• 51:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you told, you told her she was from Cambodia.

• 52:01Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my bad, my bad.

• 52:04Speaker 00

  But how'd you know her nickname, though? That's like really specific.

• 52:06Speaker 02

  Shannon, well, everybody, because of the show, because of Nightcap, everybody just calls her Cambodia.

• 52:11Speaker 00

  Cambodia, okay.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  She's fucking hot. Wanna see? Watch it.

• 52:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd love to see, yeah. I would love to see.

• 52:20Mark Gagnon?

  This guy's a financial master, bro.

• 52:22Speaker 00

  This is unbelievable, okay.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  Fresh fry Cambodia. Damn, she blocked me?

• 52:28Speaker 00

  She blocked me.

• 52:33Mark Gagnon?

  How long y'all been dating? Does she know y'all dating yet?

• 52:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh, it's been two years now.

• 52:37Mark Gagnon?

  Oh, okay.

• 52:37Speaker 00

  All right, let me see.

• 52:38Speaker 01

  Has she gone to Poppy State?

• 52:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, she been to Poppy State.

• 52:41Speaker 00

  Whoa. Whoa, is that, can I ask a question that's respectful? And I mean it with respect. Is that real?

• 52:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. No.

• 52:56Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, I gotta see where we're talking about. What are we talking about?

• 52:59Speaker 02

  You know. It's a feeling out here like that.

• 53:02Speaker 00

  Come on, bro, cuz I don't think they make them like that in Asia, man.

• 53:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, they, hey, sometimes they do.

• 53:07Speaker 00

  Beautiful, beautiful, but.

• 53:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's gorgeous, gorgeous.

• 53:09Speaker 00

  But the, uh, the, yeah, the.

• 53:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:11Speaker 00

  With all due respect.

• 53:12Speaker 02

  I like it, I love it.

• 53:13Speaker 00

  Oh, who wouldn't love that?

• 53:14Speaker 02

  I mean, I do, hey.

• 53:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. What, you going in there?

• 53:17Speaker 02

  What?

• 53:18Speaker 00

  You going in there?

• 53:19Speaker 02

  You don't swoop it out?

• 53:19Speaker 00

  Of course. Come on.

• 53:21Speaker 02

  Front to back or what?

• 53:22Speaker 00

  Whoa, I think you gotta start front.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  Oh, I start in the back.

• 53:26Speaker 00

  You, you bring the back to the front?

• 53:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:28Speaker 00

  That's a east.

• 53:29Speaker 02

  You know when you go to Target?

• 53:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:30Speaker 02

  They have exit, they have inner?

• 53:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, you start at exit.

• 53:33Speaker 02

  I start at exit.

• 53:34Speaker 00

  You're begging for another pink eye, bro, that's crazy. Yeah, I don't think that's cataracts, bro. Yeah, you only got one eye left, you gotta be careful.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  It's all good.

• 53:42Speaker 00

  Okay, so you're gonna, you got Cambodian.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:45Speaker 00

  Right, you have, you have American black.

• 53:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:49Speaker 00

  And mom, baby mamas.

• 53:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:52Speaker 00

  Everybody. White?

• 53:53Speaker 02

  No, I've never, I don't think I've ever been with a white woman.

• 53:55Speaker 00

  You've never been with a white woman?

• 53:57Speaker 02

  No, what's it like?

• 54:00Speaker 00

  This guy. Let me tell you, man, let me tell you.

• 54:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I haven't.

• 54:04Speaker 00

  A lot of opinions.

• 54:07Speaker 02

  Wait, what do you mean?

• 54:07Speaker 00

  A lot of opinions, a lot of opinions.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  Wait, who has a lot of opinions, you do or she does?

• 54:12Speaker 00

  Oh, the white ones. Yeah.

• 54:13Speaker 02

  Do they, do they really, I always see, like, in college, you know, the white girl, they like the athletes.

• 54:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:19Speaker 02

  But I bounced around from school to school, so I was never at a college long enough to even find out. And that's the problem, if they like.

• 54:26Speaker 00

  In the pros, there weren't, there must have been girls.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  I mean, Cincinnati, I mean, there, there were, but I just, I was locked in at the time. And by the time I was having fun, it was always someone exported from, out of Cincinnati, no, in the Cincinnati as opposed to.

• 54:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:40Speaker 02

  You know what?

• 54:41Speaker 00

  You should act Shannon.

• 54:53Speaker 02

  You might, you might know things.

• 54:56Speaker 00

  Stay away from the white woman.

• 55:00Speaker 02

  I, I think it's fair, you know, in life, to be able to experience.

• 55:03Speaker 00

  You gotta try everything, man, of course.

• 55:05Speaker 02

  When I get fucking Skittles from 7-Eleven.

• 55:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:09Speaker 02

  I eat all of them, I don't choose and pick which color to eat.

• 55:12Speaker 00

  What about Indian, Indian, have you ever been, India?

• 55:14Speaker 02

  No.

• 55:15Speaker 00

  Really?

• 55:16Speaker 02

  Have you been with the?

• 55:17Speaker 00

  Have I been with an Indian girl?

• 55:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:19Speaker 00

  I'm a married man, dude, I don't wanna share these types of stories.

• 55:22Speaker 02

  You married?

• 55:22Speaker 00

  I'm a married man.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  Oh, shit.

• 55:25Speaker 00

  You gotta get married, dude.

• 55:26Speaker 02

  I am.

• 55:27Speaker 00

  To whom? The next one.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  Cambodia.

• 55:29Speaker 00

  Cambodia's getting the ring?

• 55:30Speaker 02

  Fuck, yeah.

• 55:30Speaker 00

  The keeper here?

• 55:32Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 55:34Speaker 00

  He's not an illegal immigrant.

• 55:36Speaker 02

  She lives in Boston.

• 55:37Speaker 00

  Oh, that's great.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  She's a fucking Patriot fan.

• 55:38Speaker 00

  Oh, well, I mean, you, you spent a little time.

• 55:41Speaker 02

  I was there for what, a hot second?

• 55:43Speaker 00

  I mean.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  It's like a, it's like a one night stand.

• 55:46Speaker 00

  You put on a.

• 55:47Speaker 02

  One night stand.

• 55:50Speaker 00

  One night stand with Tom Brady. Yeah, lucky man.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  I didn't do much, good time, though.

• 55:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  Good time, I enjoyed that experience, but, yeah, she's a, she's a Patriot fan, Celtics fan. She likes sports, which, which is cool.

• 56:02Speaker 00

  She played sports growing up?

• 56:03Speaker 02

  Yes, she played soccer.

• 56:04Speaker 00

  Oh, there you go. Oh, that's, that's where she got you.

• 56:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, hey, the ankles are intact, which is the most important foundation.

• 56:11Speaker 00

  Tell me about this ankle thing that you've been saying.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  Because it's, it's, it's what's important.

• 56:14Speaker 00

  Everything, why, that's the foundation?

• 56:16Speaker 02

  Hockey, soccer, volleyball, any sport.

• 56:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:21Speaker 02

  The most important foundation to be great at any sport, you have to have a good base, good foundational base. Your lower extremities, it starts with your footwork.

• 56:30Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  Hmm, it starts with your footwork, no matter what you play.

• 56:35Speaker 00

  You ever have any Achilles issues?

• 56:36Speaker 02

  I've never been hurt in general. You know why I've never been hurt?

• 56:40Speaker 00

  Why?

• 56:40Speaker 02

  Cuz I fucking ate right.

• 56:43Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 56:43Speaker 00

  Ass.

• 56:44Speaker 02

  Nutrition.

• 56:44Speaker 00

  You had McDonald's five times.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  Ass. A combination.

• 56:47Speaker 00

  Of McDonald's and ass. That's a good, you can't eat the McDonald's if you don't bounce it over some ass.

• 56:53Speaker 02

  Don't forget the toes.

• 56:54Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 56:56Speaker 02

  You suck toes too?

• 56:57Speaker 00

  Come on, bro.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  Let's go.

• 56:59Speaker 00

  Come on, we're mad at culture over here, we're mad at culture.

• 57:02Speaker 02

  Wait, wait.

• 57:03Speaker 00

  No, feet are incredibly important to me.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  Wait a minute, wait.

• 57:05Speaker 00

  Talk to me.

• 57:05Speaker 02

  I got one more for you.

• 57:06Speaker 00

  Go.

• 57:06Speaker 02

  You gotta try this.

• 57:07Speaker 00

  All right.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  Go to the gas station.

• 57:09Speaker 00

  Gas station.

• 57:10Speaker 02

  Get a dollar bag of ice.

• 57:11Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 57:12Speaker 02

  Crush it up.

• 57:12Speaker 00

  All right.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  Put it in the real solo cup.

• 57:15Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 57:15Speaker 02

  Put it in your mouth, then suck the toes in missionary. Yeah, you gotta blindfold her, though. Have you tried that?

• 57:24Speaker 00

  How, how in missionary?

• 57:26Speaker 02

  Me, you.

• 57:28Speaker 00

  Missionary.

• 57:29Speaker 02

  Legs up, on your shoulders.

• 57:30Speaker 00

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 57:31Speaker 02

  Ice and cup, little toe in your mouth.

• 57:33Speaker 00

  That's for missionary.

• 57:35Speaker 02

  Play the toe, and use your toe like a.

• 57:37Speaker 00

  Like a, like a harmonica. Yes.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  What is the, what does that do? What does it do?

• 57:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:43Speaker 02

  What do you mean? Put your foot up here.

• 57:59Speaker 00

  Yo, this is.

• 57:59Speaker 02

  This is C Y Boy Fun, there we go.

• 58:03Speaker 00

  I think, I think feet are almost a lost art, I don't think this generation understands the importance of feet.

• 58:07Speaker 02

  They don't appreciate.

• 58:08Speaker 00

  They don't.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  Feet, you know?

• 58:09Speaker 00

  They don't, bro.

• 58:10Speaker 02

  A, a, a perfect set of feet, in a perfect set of heels, that actually fit and your feet aren't.

• 58:17Speaker 00

  Hanging off the fucking front, it's embarrassing, it's embarrassing.

• 58:21Speaker 02

  That's art in itself when it's done the right way.

• 58:23Speaker 00

  It is.

• 58:23Speaker 02

  What do you look for?

• 58:24Speaker 00

  It is, it is. A nice arch, also.

• 58:27Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 58:28Speaker 00

  No, it's, cuz there's, there's different elements to a foot, it's different elements, it's not just the toes are pretty.

• 58:34Speaker 02

  Yes, hold on, and another, another dynamic that gets me.

• 58:37Speaker 00

  Talk to me.

• 58:38Speaker 02

  Is you have a woman with a nice arch and nice feet, and she knows how to walk on the fucking heel.

• 58:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  Uh, the heel doesn't wear her, she wears the heel.

• 58:46Speaker 00

  She's not bending in on the heel, the heel's not falling apart.

• 58:51Speaker 02

  Look.

• 58:51Speaker 00

  That is a lost art, this generation, they're not really.

• 58:53Speaker 02

  They're not really about it.

• 58:55Speaker 00

  Can I ask you a question, do you mind if the second toe is longer than the first toe?

• 58:58Speaker 02

  You know what, I don't mind, I, I, I don't mind that, that's, that's really not something I.

• 59:03Speaker 00

  This is how, this is how into it I am, okay?

• 59:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, oh, no, we're, we're on the same page.

• 59:07Speaker 00

  I know we're on the same page.

• 59:08Speaker 02

  We're on the same page.

• 59:08Speaker 00

  A second toe longer.

• 59:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 59:10Speaker 00

  In a heel.

• 59:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 59:12Speaker 00

  Retracts the second toe slightly.

• 59:15Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 59:15Speaker 00

  And now it looks like it's in order. Heels are doing double duty, people don't even know that, if you see a girl in heels and the first and second toe are the same, she takes those heels off, that second toe is popping out a little bit.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  Right. I like that, I haven't thought about that.

• 59:30Speaker 00

  Damn, so, like, if the second toe is longer in the heel, that means it's crazy long?

• 59:34Speaker 02

  Crazy long, yeah.

• 59:35Speaker 00

  I might have reversed that in my head, I just wanna make sure that we gotta look it, I've been wrong about a few things.

• 59:40Speaker 02

  It's so important when we're looking at these heel pictures, too.

• 59:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:42Speaker 02

  I think women need to understand they need to wear their proper heel size.

• 59:45Speaker 00

  Tell me.

• 59:46Speaker 02

  So think about this, from toe to the front of the heel, there needs to be a half inch to allow the foot to slide forward when you walk.

• 59:53Speaker 00

  Because, oh, I'm so glad that you're talking about this, your size in a heel is not your size in a regular shoe.

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  Bingo.

• 1:00:01Speaker 00

  And if they go too big, then they're sliding off the front.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  Off the front, because you always oil up the foot, right?

• 1:00:07Speaker 00

  I got it.

• 1:00:07Speaker 02

  And so you have to allow.

• 1:00:08Speaker 00

  Gotta oil it up.

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, ladies, big toe to heel, half inch, that's all you need.

• 1:00:14Speaker 00

  It could even be less, it could even be less, but the second you're hovering over.

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:19Speaker 00

  It's a, it's a problem, man, what'd you say, the heel is wearing you?

• 1:00:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:24Speaker 00

  The heel is wearing you.

• 1:00:26Speaker 02

  You have to wear the heel.

• 1:00:27Speaker 00

  Why do you think the foot is not respected?

• 1:00:30Speaker 02

  I don't know, a lot of guys, they're, they're grossed out by the foot, they're not understanding, if you control the foot, you control the woman.

• 1:00:36Speaker 00

  Talk to me.

• 1:00:37Speaker 02

  Think about it.

• 1:00:37Speaker 00

  Talk to me.

• 1:00:38Speaker 02

  If you control the feet, you control the woman.

• 1:00:39Speaker 00

  Why is that?

• 1:00:40Speaker 02

  Where's she ever going without her feet?

• 1:00:41Speaker 00

  Nowhere. Nowhere. Nowhere, you gotta be trying to control the titty. What are you trying to control the titty, she can't go anywhere without the feet.

• 1:00:49Speaker 02

  Wow, men always say, you know, pimps, they say, you know, oh, you gotta control the woman's mind. Wow, for what? They know to get to you, she still gotta walk, right? Control the feet, nigga.

• 1:01:00Speaker 00

  Control the. Control the feet.

• 1:01:02Speaker 02

  Control the.

• 1:01:03Speaker 00

  Control the feet.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  I know, no one ever put me up on game before. No, I know, I'm giving it to you.

• 1:01:09Speaker 00

  Damn.

• 1:01:10Speaker 02

  Now, that's a great set of feet.

• 1:01:11Speaker 00

  You like that right there?

• 1:01:12Speaker 02

  That's a great set of Caucasian feet right there.

• 1:01:14Speaker 00

  You're into that?

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I like that, Vanilla.

• 1:01:23Speaker 00

  All right, is there anything that you won't stand for with a foot?

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  Um, chip nail polish.

• 1:01:28Speaker 00

  So you like it to be?

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  I think, I think chip nail polish, I think having a manicure pedicure is the highest form of hygiene, to me. It lets me know a woman take care of herself, because if you have chip nail polish.

• 1:01:41Speaker 00

  Keep going, keep going.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  And chip fingernail polish.

• 1:01:44Speaker 00

  What else is chip?

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  Like, what else is fucking chip?

• 1:01:46Speaker 00

  What else is chip? I know you didn't put on deodorant, there's no way you got chip nail, chip toe, and you're putting on deodorant, I know you didn't brush your teeth.

• 1:01:53Speaker 02

  Something's lacking.

• 1:01:53Speaker 00

  Something's lacking.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  It is.

• 1:01:55Speaker 00

  How, how many pedicures you buying a month?

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  Me? I ain't buying shit.

• 1:01:58Speaker 00

  You're, you're not.

• 1:01:59Speaker 02

  Not for myself.

• 1:01:59Speaker 00

  You're not funding the pedicure budget for these, the, the, the women in your life?

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  What do you mean, that's, that's basic maintenance, you can't afford basic maintenance, you don't need to be fucking dating. Let's start there. Bitch.

• 1:02:13Speaker 00

  He got angry.

• 1:02:25Speaker 00

  That is basic maintenance.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  If you can't afford basic maintenance, like, come on, what are we doing?

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  Best expenses, a couple hundred bucks.

• 1:02:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you're not paying for dinner. No. You're not paying for this Uber, you're not paying for the date. That's ultimate red flag. Oh, can you get me money to get my hair and nails done? That's your basic maintenance. You can't, you can't maintain your upkeep?

• 1:02:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:46Speaker 02

  What? Now.

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  You're not asking her to catch footballs.

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:02:48Speaker 01

  It's like, yeah, we both have jobs.

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  I'm asking you to catch both, not football.

• 1:02:55Speaker 00

  You did choose the perfect sport, man.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, he heard the name.

• 1:02:58Speaker 00

  He was like.

• 1:02:58Speaker 02

  Foot.

• 1:02:59Speaker 00

  Perfect.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, both of your favorite sports have foot in it.

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  They do, see? I like that.

• 1:03:06Speaker 00

  Which athletes have the best feet?

• 1:03:07Speaker 02

  Ooh, I have a theory on this, but go on. Uh, basketball would probably be Kyrie Irving.

• 1:03:13Speaker 00

  That's the one.

• 1:03:15Speaker 02

  You said what athletes have the best feet?

• 1:03:17Speaker 00

  That's not what I meant.

• 1:03:19Speaker 02

  You said athletes.

• 1:03:25Speaker 00

  The fact that you know that is crazy.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  That shit went up my head.

• 1:03:36Speaker 02

  Did he word it wrong?

• 1:03:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, he worded it wrong.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, you gotta, you gotta be, hey, you gotta be specific.

• 1:03:43Speaker 00

  He meant which athletes have the nicest feet, like which female.

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:03:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:50Speaker 01

  Kyrie Irving.

• 1:03:51Speaker 00

  So Kyrie got the nicest toes.

• 1:03:53Speaker 02

  No, no, as far as women athletes go, I, I'm not sure because I've never had the opportunity to actually, you know, see, oh my God, this is so and so. I, I have no idea.

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  But, but like in terms of a genre of sport, like do volleyball players have the best feet?

• 1:04:05Speaker 00

  Beach volleyball.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  Do beach volleyball players?

• 1:04:07Speaker 00

  It's outside of the sneaker. Can't be soccer because you're kicking shit all day.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  Like, I mean, women's basketball.

• 1:04:13Speaker 00

  You're in a shoe, just getting jammed.

• 1:04:16Speaker 01

  Gymnastics.

• 1:04:17Speaker 02

  That's a great question, but I, I haven't been able to do a study on that, but I should. So I come back and, and tell you statistically.

• 1:04:24Speaker 00

  Study your baby moms, they were all athletes, which one got the best feet?

• 1:04:27Speaker 02

  They, they all have great feet, or they wouldn't even got this dick.

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  He's got a selection by it.

• 1:04:33Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:34Speaker 02

  Not happening.

• 1:04:34Speaker 00

  Have you ever had the boomerang moment where you already didn't and you looked at the feet?

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  Because I need, that's a first encounter. First encounter, if you have one shoes, I'm gonna ask.

• 1:04:45Speaker 00

  I know what's so funny is if, if you are a man of culture and you're looking at her Instagram and you're not zooming. Come on.

• 1:04:52Speaker 01

  Yo, I really bailed this life.

• 1:04:55Speaker 00

  Immediately.

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 1:04:57Speaker 00

  Immediately.

• 1:04:58Speaker 01

  I thought you was one of one with this one, but this is crazy.

• 1:05:01Speaker 00

  You don't do that?

• 1:05:02Speaker 01

  I'm not a foot person, I can care, I can care less.

• 1:05:04Speaker 00

  What does that even mean?

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  Hey, don't, I'll check it out.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  First thing I did with, with Cambodia.

• 1:05:08Speaker 00

  You looked at the feet.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  Feet, I don't care how fine, beautiful you are, I don't, I don't care.

• 1:05:12Speaker 00

  We gotta go down to the feet.

• 1:05:13Speaker 02

  We gotta go down to the feet.

• 1:05:14Speaker 00

  Humans are the only.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  That starts everything.

• 1:05:15Speaker 00

  Humans are the only animal with feet, did you know that?

• 1:05:20Speaker 00

  Everybody, monkeys got hands, four of them.

• 1:05:24Speaker 02

  Okay, you're right.

• 1:05:25Speaker 00

  Dogs, it's that they have paws.

• 1:05:26Speaker 02

  Paws.

• 1:05:26Speaker 00

  That right there is what makes you human. How could you not be into that? How could you not be into the one thing that makes us different than every other animal?

• 1:05:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:37Speaker 00

  Name another animal with, with feet.

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  I'm Googling Kyrie Irving's feet right now, so.

• 1:05:45Speaker 00

  Cause now, you just said it so quick.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  All right, hold on, we gotta go. I mean, it's, it's the way you said it.

• 1:05:50Speaker 00

  Hold on.

• 1:05:51Speaker 02

  I gotta tell babe, we're talking about feet right now, because this is, this is awesome.

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's got a nice foot, I mean, the fact you can bring it up, it's hard to find, by the way, this seems like a personal, a personal anecdote.

• 1:06:01Speaker 00

  That might be AI, I don't know if Kyrie is working out in like Michael Jordan pants.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  No, that's a Getty image.

• 1:06:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  He's real. That's.

• 1:06:12Speaker 00

  Are we calling Cambodia?

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, she, she has, this is, this is too fucking good for her not to know. Babe.

• 1:06:18Speaker 00

  Cambodia!

• 1:06:21Speaker 04

  Hi.

• 1:06:22Speaker 02

  Hey, we're having a fucking moment right now. You hear me? We're talking about fucking feet.

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  Not literally.

• 1:06:30Speaker 02

  Yes, feet.

• 1:06:31Speaker 00

  Hey, how much, how much does Ocho love feet?

• 1:06:34Speaker 04

  Like a lot, if you have fucked up feet, he's not going for it.

• 1:06:38Speaker 00

  And did you know that almost immediately?

• 1:06:42Speaker 04

  Uh, yes.

• 1:06:44Speaker 00

  You knew that, like he, he, can I, can I put it near the mic? Did he, so almost immediately, he, he was like, hey, I need to see the feet?

• 1:06:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, he said, um, make sure your toes are always done.

• 1:06:58Speaker 00

  Did he, did he, did he ask for a picture of them up front?

• 1:07:02Speaker 04

  No, he could see them in the pictures.

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  Zoom in, you gotta zoom in.

• 1:07:06Speaker 00

  You gotta zoom in, you gotta zoom in.

• 1:07:08Speaker 04

  Zooms in, yeah.

• 1:07:10Speaker 00

  All right, that's fair, this is good, this is good. And do you find that like, men that can appreciate feet are, uh, more sophisticated and elegant and all the other great things?

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  We are.

• 1:07:21Speaker 04

  I think so.

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and you know what else?

• 1:07:24Speaker 00

  What?

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  I didn't even let her hit on the first night.

• 1:07:26Speaker 00

  He, he didn't, he edged you?

• 1:07:28Speaker 04

  No, he didn't, he actually crawled on the side of the bed, on top of the blankets, shirt tucked in, socks still on. The only thing that came off was his sunglasses, and was just laid there.

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:41Speaker 00

  Oh, to the morning.

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  I make 24 hour rule.

• 1:07:50Speaker 00

  So you, he doesn't do it the first night, what's going through your head when that happens?

• 1:07:54Speaker 02

  He's gay.

• 1:07:58Speaker 04

  I was honestly just laughing because I'm like, this motherfucker really has his shirt tucked in right now. And there was so much space between us that I could literally probably put like five different people right between us.

• 1:08:08Speaker 02

  You know what made it worse?

• 1:08:09Speaker 00

  What happened?

• 1:08:10Speaker 02

  Ask her where we went for our first date.

• 1:08:11Speaker 00

  Where'd you guys go for your first date?

• 1:08:13Speaker 04

  Bahamas.

• 1:08:14Speaker 00

  You flew her to the Bahamas?

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:16Speaker 00

  To the homeland?

• 1:08:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:19Speaker 00

  And then didn't even let you hit first night?

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  I ain't easy. I ain't easy.

• 1:08:25Speaker 04

  He had it all, he had all like the, the saxophone, guy playing live music, everything there.

• 1:08:32Speaker 02

  Chef, yeah.

• 1:08:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, nothing.

• 1:08:34Speaker 02

  Wine and dine.

• 1:08:34Speaker 04

  Nothing.

• 1:08:35Speaker 00

  And then, did you try to make a move?

• 1:08:39Speaker 04

  No, I just looked at him like, I'm not, you know what, I'm not gonna violate him, I'm not gonna do nothing.

• 1:08:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, give me my space.

• 1:08:44Speaker 04

  Give me my space.

• 1:08:47Speaker 00

  And then in the morning, what happened?

• 1:08:51Speaker 04

  It was on.

• 1:08:56Speaker 00

  Cambodia, ladies and gentlemen, Cambodia.

• 1:08:59Speaker 02

  We gotta finish, we got another two hours ago.

• 1:09:03Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:09:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:05Speaker 00

  I like that move. I like that move, by the way, the, hey, we're not doing this, this is not the only thing that matters to me, I need to establish that.

• 1:09:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I had to let you, I had to.

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  He flew her out of Boston to a sandal wearing place. You noticed that, right?

• 1:09:20Speaker 02

  This is, this is. You see what I'm doing?

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, let's go on a vacation someplace in sandals.

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  Hey, it was cold, it was cold, it was cold. She got off the plane, bubble coat, boots.

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  Put on those.

• 1:09:32Speaker 02

  Immediately. Here go the sandals. Good, I had something that was already ready for her right off the plane.

• 1:09:37Speaker 01

  Ocho, what happened today, how to work their way up to Poppy State? This is very first date and flying out, wine and dine and saxophone player?

• 1:09:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I didn't let her fuck.

• 1:09:50Speaker 00

  I didn't let her.

• 1:09:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:55Speaker 02

  I'm the prize.

• 1:09:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  I think a lot of women have it confused where they feel they're the prize.

• 1:09:59Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 1:09:59Speaker 02

  Huh? Think about that.

• 1:10:01Speaker 00

  And is there ever like a?

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  Ask a woman, what does she bring to the table? And watch what she says.

• 1:10:06Speaker 00

  What would she say?

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  I am the table.

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  The table don't pay no bills.

• 1:10:10Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, what woman said that to you?

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  Some chick back in 84.

• 1:10:18Speaker 00

  What do you mean, you're the table?

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  Don't bring no napkins, don't bring the tablecloth.

• 1:10:25Speaker 00

  The tables have feet though.

• 1:10:27Speaker 02

  No plates, but, oh, but you're the table.

• 1:10:29Speaker 00

  Tables do have feet.

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  Four feet, that's kinda nice.

• 1:10:31Speaker 00

  Dude, there's legs to the table, man.

• 1:10:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. Life is funny.

• 1:10:36Speaker 00

  Life is funny, man. So you're gonna give her two more?

• 1:10:40Speaker 02

  Two more?

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  Twins.

• 1:10:41Speaker 02

  What? I mean, it depends on the price of FBI.

• 1:10:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, the FBI could be going up, man, you never know.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  Are you involved in your investments?

• 1:10:48Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 1:10:48Speaker 01

  Are you involved in all your investments, are you, are you watching all that?

• 1:10:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, always.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  And are you penny trading and stuff?

• 1:10:53Speaker 02

  No, penny who?

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  Uh, penny trading you with my dick.

• 1:11:01Speaker 02

  He got me.

• 1:11:02Mark Gagnon?

  He's back.

• 1:11:03Speaker 02

  He's back.

• 1:11:05Mark Gagnon?

  He's back.

• 1:11:06Speaker 00

  Told you.

• 1:11:07Speaker 02

  Damn it.

• 1:11:08Speaker 00

  Now you're confused.

• 1:11:09Mark Gagnon?

  It's fire.

• 1:11:10Speaker 00

  Now you're confused, you guys.

• 1:11:11Speaker 02

  He got me. You're talking money. Oh, so he got me.

• 1:11:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, I loved it.

• 1:11:17Mark Gagnon?

  He was a striker.

• 1:11:17Speaker 02

  Reel me in. I heard money, okay, I'm locked in. What do we talk about?

• 1:11:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:11:22Speaker 02

  Fuck.

• 1:11:24Speaker 00

  That's a free one, though.

• 1:11:25Speaker 02

  Damn, that's a good one.

• 1:11:28Speaker 00

  Was there ever like?

• 1:11:29Speaker 02

  That's a good one.

• 1:11:31Speaker 00

  Was there, speaking of money, like, was there ever some like, you probably get offered crazy investments and people come in all the time, but you never got it?

• 1:11:38Speaker 02

  I heard all the horror stories from all my friends, you know, during those times. Eighty-seven percent of us go broke. That's eighty-seven percent. The number has continued to climb since I was playing, so obviously, even though people are making more money now in this day, it doesn't matter because we're, no, it's not happening, and I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it.

• 1:11:58Speaker 00

  Who put this in you, like, at a young age?

• 1:12:00Speaker 02

  My grandmother, my grandfather was cheap.

• 1:12:03Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  My grandfather was cheap. He was cheap, and my grandfather, fuck it, I can say it now, he was in the streets.

• 1:12:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:12:10Speaker 02

  Big time.

• 1:12:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  I was blind to it, didn't know it. My grandma, complete opposite, in church every Sunday, Bible study, Eastern Star, white church chores, gospel playing, like that. And grandpa was complete opposite, but you couldn't tell.

• 1:12:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:26Speaker 02

  So plain, but once I come to learn who he was, what, he had all that?

• 1:12:31Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  Plane, sea plane, had a boat.

• 1:12:33Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 1:12:34Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Big boy.

• 1:12:36Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 1:12:36Speaker 02

  But I couldn't tell, but I guess where I got the cheap thing from.

• 1:12:40Speaker 00

  But he was frugal.

• 1:12:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was, but I still will enjoy myself from time to time.

• 1:12:46Speaker 00

  Well, there's a difference between being cheap and enjoying yourself.

• 1:12:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, from time to time.

• 1:12:51Speaker 00

  Because I feel like if you're enjoying something, yourself, this is value you're getting out of money spent.

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:12:56Speaker 00

  Cheap, I think, is like, or frugal is not being wasteful with your money.

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  I think a lot of people, most of the time, when you get money, they love to pay for convenience.

• 1:13:07Speaker 00

  That is really nice, though, I'm not gonna lie.

• 1:13:09Speaker 02

  I don't pay for convenience.

• 1:13:10Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:13:11Speaker 02

  I enjoy Spirit Airlines. And now I'm kind of fucking pissed that they're gone.

• 1:13:15Speaker 00

  Oh, I see, yeah.

• 1:13:16Speaker 02

  I sat in the same X-Road 13A every single time, anything under three hours. The only time I flew, like, coming here, I had to fly American, but it wasn't on my dime.

• 1:13:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:28Speaker 02

  You know, I had to fly to Vegas, but it wasn't on my dime, and that JetBlue Mint, that shit is nice.

• 1:13:32Speaker 00

  It is nice.

• 1:13:33Speaker 02

  East to West Coast, West Coast to East, that was nice.

• 1:13:36Speaker 00

  But you would never splurge for a private jet or anything?

• 1:13:38Speaker 02

  Private what?

• 1:13:39Speaker 00

  Because it's too much, bro.

• 1:13:40Speaker 02

  Fuck out of here.

• 1:13:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:41Speaker 02

  You fly private, me and Shannon were fucking arguing about this on the podcast.

• 1:13:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:45Speaker 02

  He's flying on private jet, oh, fifty thousand.

• 1:13:48Speaker 00

  That's how you go broke, bro.

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  For what?

• 1:13:49Speaker 00

  For one way. You go from New York to LA is fifty racks.

• 1:13:52Speaker 02

  For what?

• 1:13:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:53Speaker 02

  Okay, you go private, right?

• 1:13:54Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:13:55Speaker 02

  Convenient, no line, whatever. You go right, you get on the plane. I stand in line. Huh? I'm not getting, um, what do you call it? Pre-check?

• 1:14:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:05Speaker 02

  I'm not paying for that shit. I have no problem standing in line.

• 1:14:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:08Speaker 02

  I can stand in line with everybody else.

• 1:14:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:10Speaker 02

  Because when we get to the gate, even if you get through the gate before me, through security, you still have to wait in line.

• 1:14:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:16Speaker 02

  You boarded the plane before me.

• 1:14:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:19Speaker 02

  We still get off the same plane, we still landed the same goddamn time.

• 1:14:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:22Speaker 02

  Nothing changes.

• 1:14:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:24Speaker 02

  So I'm gonna save whatever it is I can.

• 1:14:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:26Speaker 02

  Let's say you do fly private, okay, you flying three hours earlier. I'm still coming right behind you three hours later.

• 1:14:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:33Speaker 02

  And I save without having to spend the money.

• 1:14:35Speaker 00

  But like, was there a guy who advised you financially?

• 1:14:38Speaker 02

  No, because I've seen enough mistakes.

• 1:14:40Speaker 00

  But, so then what did you do? You just put your money in like, you know, some sort of investment fund through the bank? So you basically were like, I'm gonna be conservative, I'm not gonna spend, but I'm also not gonna take on these wild investments that are super risky?

• 1:14:51Speaker 02

  Not happening, because the super risky stuff is cool, but I'm not making enough to be able to lose money.

• 1:14:59Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 1:15:00Speaker 02

  I can't take those chances. If I was in the NBA?

• 1:15:02Speaker 00

  That's different.

• 1:15:03Speaker 02

  Oh, all right, it's different. You can take chances. Now you can play. You can play those game because everything is guaranteed. Like, I can get hurt.

• 1:15:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:11Speaker 02

  And then, now what? I'm done.

• 1:15:13Speaker 00

  Do you think that the contract should be more guaranteed in the NFL?

• 1:15:16Speaker 02

  It'd be hard because we have too many players. We have too many players. I think Deshaun Watson, he's one of the few who's been able to get a guaranteed contract, but the Browns were so eager to finally have a quarterback, based on what he did in Houston, and him being available despite all the turmoil around him.

• 1:15:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:35Speaker 02

  Hey, his last year in Houston, holy shit, he was top five.

• 1:15:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:40Speaker 02

  And so, you're like, oh shit, he's available? Let's go get him. Matter of fact, you know what? We're gonna make it guaranteed. And obviously, the injuries, the derails, everything.

• 1:15:48Speaker 00

  So I've heard people say, I've heard this with the NBA, guaranteeing the contract fully,

• 1:15:57Speaker 00

  creates an interesting paradigm.

• 1:16:02Speaker 02

  What do you mean? Because all their contracts are guaranteed.

• 1:16:04Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 1:16:05Speaker 02

  It's a fucking lot.

• 1:16:06Speaker 00

  It's a lot of money. So you're guaranteed fully, but now all of a sudden, you're like, ah, my knee kind of hurts, I don't want to play. Like, there's guys who are like, I don't want to go back to back, and there's, so it's like, if you are guaranteed.

• 1:16:17Speaker 02

  What do they call it when they rest?

• 1:16:19Speaker 00

  Just a rest day?

• 1:16:20Speaker 02

  What's the word? There's a word to it, that they, um, load management.

• 1:16:24Speaker 00

  Load management, yeah, exactly. So it's like, if you're fully guaranteed, but you're getting load management.

• 1:16:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think they make the calls themselves. NBA players make fuck you money.

• 1:16:33Speaker 00

  They really make.

• 1:16:34Speaker 02

  And they control, they control the narrative on what they want to do and when they want to do it.

• 1:16:38Speaker 00

  Yeah. And that, I imagine, every sport is looking at that, like, we need to make sure that we can get to a point where we can demand this.

• 1:16:49Speaker 00

  No, like, if you're an NFL player, aren't you looking at that going?

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  It'll never happen.

• 1:16:52Speaker 00

  You just, it's just too much risk of injury, and there's too much salary gap tied up, and like.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, they'll never, quarterbacks maybe be able to get away with it, some of them, but just, you know, your regular skilled players, it'll never happen.

• 1:17:05Speaker 00

  Never happen.

• 1:17:06Speaker 02

  Risk, the risk is, no.

• 1:17:10Speaker 00

  But you have to play injured in the league.

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, you do. You're never a hundred percent healthy, ever. I don't think any sport, you're ever just a hundred percent healthy.

• 1:17:18Speaker 00

  No, of course not.

• 1:17:19Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:17:19Speaker 00

  I mean, it's like, this classic, when like a boxer, or like any kind of fighter complains about being injured, going into the fight after the fight, and it's like, well, yeah, everybody's injured going into the fight.

• 1:17:28Speaker 02

  Going into a fight, you're probably injured through training camp.

• 1:17:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:31Speaker 02

  You're never a hundred percent healthy.

• 1:17:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:32Speaker 02

  I doubt it.

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• 1:20:53Speaker 01

  Did you ever spend money on anything dumb? Like, early on, were you like, oh, I?

• 1:20:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I had my fun. Ferrari, Lamborghini, I leased a Bugatti for a year, I think it was 2009.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  So you did the things?

• 1:21:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why I said, every so often, but it's, do it, six months, gone.

• 1:21:15Speaker 00

  You realized that you didn't care?

• 1:21:16Speaker 02

  It was easy to cut off.

• 1:21:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:18Speaker 02

  Easy to cut it off.

• 1:21:19Speaker 01

  Did you know it was kind of dumb in the moment? Or were you like, no, this is gonna be fine? And then afterwards?

• 1:21:22Speaker 02

  I didn't really consider it dumb. It's more so, I want to know what this experience is like, and I'm gonna do it. Not, I'm not gonna do it because this is the image I have to uphold. This is not my identity, I'm doing it because I actually want to. Everyone else is doing it because, hey, look, I got, no.

• 1:21:39Speaker 00

  How much money did you make playing? That's open, right? Like, that's not a weird question to ask.

• 1:21:43Speaker 02

  How much did I make? How much money did I make playing?

• 1:21:45Speaker 01

  I'm looking it up right now.

• 1:21:46Speaker 02

  That's a good question. I can tell you how much I saved. I can do that.

• 1:21:51Speaker 00

  Eighty-seven percent.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  About eighty, eighty-one, eighty-two? Based on the figures and the numbers.

• 1:21:58Speaker 01

  Chad Otrusenko-Johnson earned approximately $48 to $49 million in his eleven-year career.

• 1:22:03Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:22:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:05Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:22:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. Hey, can you do me another favor?

• 1:22:07Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:22:07Speaker 02

  Can you type in, who the cheapest NFL athlete ever?

• 1:22:11Speaker 01

  Who is cheapest?

• 1:22:13Speaker 00

  Google names you, that is dope. Chad Johnson, known as Chad Ocho Cinco, is widely considered the cheapest or most frugal NFL player in history. That is fire.

• 1:22:21Speaker 02

  That's what the fuck? Is that, is that for real?

• 1:22:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:22:24Speaker 02

  Huh? That's what I'm talking about.

• 1:22:25Speaker 00

  Go, go down. Let's look at Chad Johnson's frugal habits. Stadium housing. He secretly lived inside Cincinnati Bengals stadium during his first two years to avoid paying rent. I heard that. Budget travel. He drove an inexpensive smart car.

• 1:22:38Speaker 02

  Smart car, still got it.

• 1:22:39Speaker 00

  Shows budget airlines like Spirit Airlines.

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  Let's go.

• 1:22:42Speaker 00

  Bargain accessories. He routinely wore fake jewelry and an $8 watch from Walmart. Low-cost dates. The standard first date involved taking women to McDonald's. Wow. They're trying to put Gronk down there.

• 1:22:53Speaker 02

  They say Gronk's up there with you. Yeah, Gronk and Marshawn Lynch.

• 1:22:56Speaker 00

  Oh, is Marshawn cheap?

• 1:22:57Speaker 02

  A what?

• 1:22:58Speaker 00

  Tell me.

• 1:22:58Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. He's the same.

• 1:22:59Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:23:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's the same way. I don't think he's, I go to the extreme with it.

• 1:23:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:04Speaker 02

  And don't give a fuck. Because I told everybody what I'm doing. I'm letting you know, while I'm making $10 million real, this shit ain't real.

• 1:23:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  What are you gonna say to me?

• 1:23:12Speaker 00

  Nothing.

• 1:23:13Speaker 02

  What are you gonna say?

• 1:23:14Speaker 00

  Once you're not ashamed of it, you can't shame something more.

• 1:23:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, no, no. And then I'm, I'm just smart about it. And obviously you have, Lil Uzi has a song where he says, um, "My jury, my jury real, I ain't Ocho." It just came out.

• 1:23:28Speaker 00

  Oh, really?

• 1:23:29Speaker 02

  Like, literally, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:30Speaker 00

  And to you, is that like, you're honored by that?

• 1:23:32Speaker 02

  I am. I am, because, I mean, it's right there. What do we talk about? Google is free. And then you got some people tweet me, "Hey, Uzi got a song, he dissing you." You fucking idiot, do your homework on who I am.

• 1:23:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:44Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 1:23:44Speaker 00

  He's complimenting me.

• 1:23:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's real. Hey, it's real now, though.

• 1:23:48Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 1:23:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. You see it? You see it dancing?

• 1:23:51Speaker 00

  I mean, it's shining like it's real.

• 1:23:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:54Speaker 00

  Why, why even wear it, then?

• 1:23:56Speaker 02

  Me?

• 1:23:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, if you, if you're, if you're going, everything's fake, why even wear it?

• 1:24:00Speaker 02

  Why? I like the look.

• 1:24:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's good.

• 1:24:03Speaker 02

  I like the look.

• 1:24:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, the look is good.

• 1:24:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, the look. I can look rich while I haven't to spend it.

• 1:24:07Speaker 00

  Yep. Because you are rich.

• 1:24:09Speaker 02

  You know who told me that? Because I am rich.

• 1:24:11Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 1:24:11Speaker 02

  You know who told me that?

• 1:24:11Speaker 00

  Who?

• 1:24:12Speaker 02

  A billionaire.

• 1:24:13Speaker 00

  That's the thing, these billionaires dress regular. He wouldn't even fucking notice that they're not shining anything.

• 1:24:18Speaker 02

  Told me he had fake stuff, too. That's why I started it.

• 1:24:20Speaker 00

  Really? Can you say who?

• 1:24:21Speaker 02

  No, I don't wanna do that.

• 1:24:22Speaker 00

  Okay, no disrespect, but he was like, I just got fake shit.

• 1:24:25Speaker 02

  Billionaire dude, yeah. See, none of this shit fucking real.

• 1:24:26Speaker 00

  Why would he put himself at risk at all, wearing a fucking million-dollar watch? He's got all the money in the world, why have risk?

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  When that, when that, when he, when that, when he told me that.

• 1:24:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:35Speaker 02

  I'm taking that philosophy.

• 1:24:37Speaker 00

  Where was this? Were, were you already a player at the time?

• 1:24:39Speaker 02

  I was in, yeah, I was playing. I was already playing. I was in year two.

• 1:24:41Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:24:43Speaker 02

  I was in year two. I say, that's dope.

• 1:24:44Speaker 00

  So he gave you some game, and then immediately you're like, watch it.

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  Well, you know, I was already like that anyway, but just hearing it from someone like that, who already has it, then I already had that philosophy as well.

• 1:24:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:53Speaker 02

  Ah, these fucking women have already Googled how much I'm making, so what am I doing it for?

• 1:24:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:57Speaker 02

  I don't drink alcohol, so I'm not at the club popping bottles and doing stuff like that.

• 1:25:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:02Speaker 02

  I mean...

• 1:25:02Speaker 00

  What about gambling?

• 1:25:03Speaker 02

  Fuck, me?

• 1:25:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:05Speaker 02

  Cheapest athlete of all time.

• 1:25:07Speaker 00

  Me gamble? That's how guys get, that's how guys lose their money, bro.

• 1:25:11Speaker 02

  I, I was gonna, in Vegas, I wanted to go gamble with Dana White.

• 1:25:16Speaker 00

  Dana would...

• 1:25:17Speaker 02

  Hey, and then I just, I heard, I heard the story.

• 1:25:19Speaker 00

  The levels are crazy.

• 1:25:20Speaker 02

  $400,000 hands, $500...

• 1:25:22Speaker 00

  Oh, my god.

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm cool.

• 1:25:23Speaker 00

  What about strip club?

• 1:25:25Speaker 02

  I support adult ballet. I do support adult ballet. You know I used to be a stripper?

• 1:25:32Speaker 00

  Wait, what?

• 1:25:34Speaker 02

  No, so, promise, 1997.

• 1:25:35Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:25:36Speaker 02

  When I lived in LA.

• 1:25:37Speaker 00

  Let me get a fact check.

• 1:25:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, fact check that.

• 1:25:39Speaker 00

  And where did you strip out of?

• 1:25:41Speaker 02

  At the Wright Track in LA. When I was at Santa Monica College. I had to, I couldn't afford tuition.

• 1:25:47Speaker 00

  I couldn't afford books.

• 1:25:48Speaker 02

  You're...

• 1:25:49Speaker 00

  Okay, hold on.

• 1:25:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:50Speaker 00

  You...

• 1:25:51Speaker 02

  That's why...

• 1:25:51Speaker 00

  You had a great stripper name. Do you wanna guess? Uh, no. Tell me, what is it? Twix. Yeah.

• 1:25:59Speaker 02

  Cause I was skinny as hell with veins everywhere.

• 1:26:01Speaker 00

  Veins everywhere.

• 1:26:06Speaker 02

  But you know the Twix, you open the Twix, you know it's...

• 1:26:08Speaker 00

  Oh, we know.

• 1:26:09Speaker 02

  It's veins, yeah.

• 1:26:10Speaker 00

  Wait a minute, did you actually strip, though?

• 1:26:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I didn't have a choice. How about, I needed money.

• 1:26:14Speaker 00

  Like, at private parties, or at like a...

• 1:26:16Speaker 02

  No, you know... I did Dancing Bear Party one time.

• 1:26:19Speaker 00

  What is Dancing Bear Party?

• 1:26:20Speaker 02

  You know Dancing Bear?

• 1:26:21Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:26:22Speaker 02

  When the ladies getting married, and you come out with the, you having the bear costume.

• 1:26:25Speaker 00

  It's like a bachelorette party.

• 1:26:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, but Dancing Bear, you go a little far.

• 1:26:28Speaker 00

  And did they try to do something?

• 1:26:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:30Speaker 00

  Did you ruin the marriage?

• 1:26:31Speaker 02

  Gave her all three inches. Gave her a little bit of that pork.

• 1:26:39Speaker 00

  Hold on, hold on. Wait a minute. So, and this was to pay for school?

• 1:26:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I needed it. I needed it. I, I mean, a nine-to-five is not gonna give me enough money to pay for books and pay for classes.

• 1:26:52Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 1:26:52Speaker 02

  It, it just wasn't. And, and I could, I could dance, I had rhythm. You know, I was, I was back, you know, kinda hung like a horse, so it, it fit.

• 1:27:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, this is where the touchdown dance just came from.

• 1:27:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:06Speaker 00

  I should've started that career right there. Wow.

• 1:27:08Speaker 02

  It worked, it worked. And, also, I'm not saying that any of us would ever have to, you know, alter to having to strip again.

• 1:27:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:17Speaker 02

  But, healthy women tip very well.

• 1:27:20Speaker 00

  Bigger women.

• 1:27:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:27:21Speaker 00

  They love it.

• 1:27:22Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 1:27:23Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 1:27:23Speaker 02

  You ever been to a big woman?

• 1:27:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, I have, yeah.

• 1:27:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love, I love fluffies.

• 1:27:27Speaker 00

  Do ya?

• 1:27:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:28Speaker 00

  Do ya?

• 1:27:29Speaker 02

  They're different.

• 1:27:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:27:30Speaker 02

  Fucking warm.

• 1:27:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're warm.

• 1:27:32Speaker 02

  Warm in there.

• 1:27:32Speaker 00

  There is warm in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're big, they're big, though.

• 1:27:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, for a reason.

• 1:27:38Speaker 00

  But, yeah, switching positions can be a little bit difficult.

• 1:27:41Speaker 02

  At times, but sideways, like scissor.

• 1:27:43Speaker 00

  You gotta go sideways. You gotta go sideways.

• 1:27:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:46Speaker 00

  Yo.

• 1:27:46Speaker 02

  That's the best way to get in.

• 1:27:48Speaker 00

  Stripped his way through college. Yeah, that's fire.

• 1:27:50Speaker 02

  That's a real thing. Yeah, it was dope.

• 1:27:53Speaker 00

  How much money were you making at, at like, the peak of the stripping line?

• 1:27:55Speaker 02

  On a good night, let's say, the games, we played the games, our games were on Saturday, like, a Friday, I can get $2,500. You know how much $2,500 is back in 97?

• 1:28:04Speaker 00

  For a college kid?

• 1:28:05Speaker 02

  Or a kid, 19 in college?

• 1:28:08Speaker 00

  Was there ever a moment where you were like, I might just do this for a while?

• 1:28:11Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely not.

• 1:28:11Speaker 00

  You knew that you were going to do it?

• 1:28:12Speaker 02

  My vision was to get to the NFL and piss off Roger Goodell. Paul Tagliabue at the time.

• 1:28:20Speaker 00

  That's right. Did any guys on the team know you were doing this?

• 1:28:24Speaker 02

  No, no, I wouldn't tell them. They fucking make fun of me all day.

• 1:28:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:28:28Speaker 02

  Now, I don't care, I'm Ocho, what are you gonna say?

• 1:28:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:30Speaker 02

  You strip, so...

• 1:28:32Speaker 00

  You, this is an interesting thing about you that I've always admired, is that you just completely own yourself.

• 1:28:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:38Speaker 00

  So that nobody really can hurt you.

• 1:28:40Speaker 02

  Cause I don't care.

• 1:28:41Speaker 00

  I, well, I don't think it's you don't care, I think you're proud of everything you present. So when you're, if you're proud of being frugal, and someone goes, "You're frugal," you're like, "Yeah." It's like someone's going, "You're American," to me, and I'm like, "Yeah, I'm proud of being American." It's like, I don't see anything as an insult.

• 1:28:56Speaker 02

  I think so many people hide, hide behind it.

• 1:28:58Speaker 00

  They hide their insecurities, right?

• 1:29:00Speaker 02

  Always having to prove, "I got it," always having to prove I'm rich. Like, that, to me, that's draining. That's like, acting, not be, not really being an actor.

• 1:29:09Speaker 00

  Hundred percent.

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  I, I can't, I don't wanna put on that mask every day. To me, I did, to me, it's just, it's exhausting. I look at Instagrams all the time. Everybody, you go through Instagrams, fucking, everybody rich? What the fuck does everybody do? Everybody flying private, everybody has all these fucking foreign cars, everybody's in designer.

• 1:29:27Speaker 00

  It's a performance.

• 1:29:28Speaker 02

  What are we talking, every day?

• 1:29:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29:30Speaker 02

  Now, if you're into fashion, and you're on fucking GQ and in Vogue, okay, I get it.

• 1:29:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29:34Speaker 02

  But every day?

• 1:29:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29:37Speaker 02

  Come on, man. I mean, it's cool, if that's what they like to do, I mean, cool, but listen, I, I've been wearing this past three days. Like, I don't care. I shower, I put it back on. Three different states. Nobody saw this in Vegas.

• 1:29:51Speaker 00

  Hmm, yeah.

• 1:29:52Speaker 02

  So I put it on again, because they didn't see it in New York.

• 1:29:54Speaker 00

  They didn't see it, they needed to see it.

• 1:29:56Speaker 02

  So why am I changing?

• 1:29:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29:57Speaker 02

  I put it on in Miami, because nobody in Miami saw it either.

• 1:30:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, they needed to see it.

• 1:30:01Speaker 02

  So every time you change states, the outfit resets itself.

• 1:30:05Speaker 00

  I agree with you.

• 1:30:06Speaker 02

  You do get that.

• 1:30:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:30:07Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:30:08Speaker 00

  You get another life out of it.

• 1:30:09Speaker 02

  Bingo.

• 1:30:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:30:10Speaker 02

  But I did change the shoes. So that creates a whole night, a whole new dynamic, a new outfit.

• 1:30:15Speaker 00

  It's a completely different outfit. All starts with the feet.

• 1:30:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:30:18Speaker 02

  Here. Fucking here. Elon Musk, who?

• 1:30:21Speaker 00

  I do that with the week. If I saw you on Saturday, but I'm not gonna see you on Monday?

• 1:30:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:30:25Speaker 00

  I can run it back.

• 1:30:26Speaker 02

  See?

• 1:30:26Speaker 00

  These were some of the Saturday people.

• 1:30:27Speaker 02

  I like it.

• 1:30:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:30:29Speaker 02

  I like it.

• 1:30:29Speaker 00

  Is there anything you're insecure about?

• 1:30:30Speaker 02

  Uh... Probably swingers' clubs.

• 1:30:37Speaker 00

  Why?

• 1:30:38Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 1:30:38Speaker 00

  Wait, what? Why, why are you insecure about them?

• 1:30:40Speaker 02

  Because, you know, every time I go to swingers' clubs, like, everybody's wife wants to sleep with me.

• 1:30:46Speaker 00

  Okay, so, and I can see why.

• 1:30:50Speaker 02

  That makes me uncomfortable.

• 1:30:51Speaker 00

  Why?

• 1:30:52Speaker 02

  Because the wives always try to sneak behind the guy's back and see me privately.

• 1:30:58Speaker 00

  Can you tell me what exactly has happened? Can you paint this picture?

• 1:31:02Speaker 02

  I can. So...

• 1:31:03Speaker 00

  You seem very insecure about this.

• 1:31:10Speaker 02

  Let me tell you about my insecurities.

• 1:31:15Speaker 00

  Everyone wants to fuck me. Snort time. All right, go.

• 1:31:21Speaker 02

  It just, I think, during my experimenting days.

• 1:31:24Speaker 00

  When was the first time you went to a swingers' club? Take us back. Where was it?

• 1:31:27Speaker 02

  This was, matter of fact, in LA.

• 1:31:29Speaker 00

  When you were at Santa Monica?

• 1:31:30Speaker 02

  During the time when I was stripping.

• 1:31:31Speaker 00

  So you have a girl at the time?

• 1:31:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:33Speaker 00

  And she presents it to you, or you present it to her?

• 1:31:36Speaker 02

  She presented it to me. She was a little older.

• 1:31:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:31:39Speaker 02

  She was older, and it was her idea that I should start stripping. You see the influence older women have?

• 1:31:43Speaker 00

  Oh, so she was, she was kinda...

• 1:31:45Speaker 02

  She was the one, "Hey, this is what you should do."

• 1:31:47Speaker 00

  She was pimping.

• 1:31:48Speaker 02

  I don't have the much, she did pimp me a little bit, right?

• 1:31:50Speaker 00

  She did a little bit, little bit, yeah.

• 1:31:51Speaker 02

  You know, now that you, now that you say that...

• 1:31:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's a madam.

• 1:31:55Speaker 02

  And I did, I did help her a little bit.

• 1:31:56Speaker 00

  Of course, she helped herself. She needs, she helped herself, Ocho.

• 1:32:02Speaker 02

  Damn, now that you put it like that...

• 1:32:04Speaker 00

  Game recognize game, it's fine.

• 1:32:05Speaker 02

  I got pimped out.

• 1:32:06Speaker 00

  It's okay, it's okay.

• 1:32:07Speaker 02

  But I was able to afford my books and tuition, though.

• 1:32:09Speaker 00

  That's what, that's what hoes say all the time.

• 1:32:18Speaker 00

  Okay, so she goes, "Let's go to this swingers club."

• 1:32:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, and so we go to a swingers club and obviously, you know, obviously you exchange partners.

• 1:32:28Speaker 00

  I don't know how a swingers club even works. Is it like a regular nightclub? Is it a house that has rooms?

• 1:32:32Speaker 02

  That's one of those things that there's really nothing I can tell you, you'd have to experience it.

• 1:32:37Speaker 00

  Well, just to try.

• 1:32:44Speaker 00

  Alright, so she takes you to the club, is it like an open kind of dance floor type of place?

• 1:32:49Speaker 02

  Open rooms, cubicles, curtains, it depends on what different rooms you can go into. And you open the room, oh, they're having sex, oh shit, they're going at it too. Oh my goodness, they're going at it too over there. And I remember everybody's a couple.

• 1:33:04Speaker 00

  And are you looking at this going, "This is fucking insane."

• 1:33:06Speaker 02

  Well, it's different because I gotta think, I'm young, still nineteen, nineteen, maybe twenty at the time. So it's different to me, it's different for me. And I'm looking like, okay, okay, this is LA. And not knowing, hell, this shit happens everywhere. This is nothing new, but it's new to me. And it was cool. I got a little comfortable and we talked, meet couples, they drink, everyone drinks.

• 1:33:30Speaker 00

  The couples that come with you guys?

• 1:33:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, they are.

• 1:33:32Speaker 00

  And you guys are just having regular conversations, it's not sexual?

• 1:33:35Speaker 02

  And everybody's drinking, but everything is sexual because there's no, there's no reason to be in a swingers club and have fucking small talk.

• 1:33:41Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 1:33:41Speaker 02

  You know why we're here, what you want to do.

• 1:33:43Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 1:33:44Speaker 02

  And so she led everything in conversation.

• 1:33:49Speaker 02

  Madam, now I'm putting it all together, now that you put it together.

• 1:33:52Speaker 00

  Genius.

• 1:33:53Speaker 02

  And obviously we did the switching and for me, I had to put on a mean demonstration.

• 1:33:59Speaker 00

  But were you cool with other people smashing her?

• 1:34:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, you didn't care?

• 1:34:03Speaker 02

  I don't give a fuck, I'm not insecure. Like I just, I've always been like that. Like, we're dating, but you're not my property.

• 1:34:10Speaker 00

  Yes, that's true.

• 1:34:11Speaker 02

  I've never allowed a woman to use, like, she's my girl, that's my girl, because they can weaponize that against you.

• 1:34:18Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 1:34:19Speaker 02

  I don't play that. You would never, even though we're together, you're still not my property. I don't own you. I don't, I don't view it like that. I never have.

• 1:34:27Speaker 00

  Okay, so you didn't get, you didn't get jealous or anything?

• 1:34:29Speaker 02

  No, jealous, oh.

• 1:34:31Speaker 00

  But you gotta put in work.

• 1:34:32Speaker 02

  Hey.

• 1:34:33Speaker 00

  What is the guy saying?

• 1:34:34Speaker 02

  My reputation is on the line.

• 1:34:35Speaker 00

  On the line, bro. You gotta feed yourself, you might not eat tomorrow unless you lay it down.

• 1:34:40Speaker 02

  Hey, I don't play.

• 1:34:41Speaker 00

  So what?

• 1:34:42Speaker 02

  They nicknamed me the plumber.

• 1:34:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm unclogging shit.

• 1:34:48Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:34:49Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 1:34:50Speaker 00

  Chill.

• 1:34:51Speaker 02

  Unclogging shit.

• 1:34:52Speaker 00

  Chill, okay, okay, okay, okay.

• 1:34:54Speaker 02

  So you unclog. I got video footage, you wanna see?

• 1:34:57Speaker 00

  Kinda, but not, yeah.

• 1:35:00Speaker 02

  Is that weird?

• 1:35:00Speaker 00

  Not really. With you, it isn't for some reason. Yeah, with you it's not. If anyone else said that, I'm good. It might be weird, but you it's not. Okay, but we'll look at it, but hold on. So this is, you got that shit on like a, like a flip phone or something. Back in the day. Okay, so you're in there, and you guys agree to exchange, you're piping out this dude's wife.

• 1:35:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:23Speaker 00

  And?

• 1:35:24Speaker 02

  I catch the rhythm, and I always pay attention to.

• 1:35:26Speaker 00

  What does that mean, you catch the rhythm?

• 1:35:27Speaker 02

  Of her rhythm.

• 1:35:28Speaker 00

  Oh, you caught her rhythm?

• 1:35:29Speaker 02

  Everybody doesn't know what they're doing.

• 1:35:31Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 1:35:32Speaker 02

  I was very sensual, if you speed me up, I can speed up, it just depends on what you want. So I always pay attention to her mannerisms and what she wants.

• 1:35:40Speaker 00

  Got it, got it.

• 1:35:41Speaker 02

  I'm very detailed in that area.

• 1:35:42Speaker 00

  It seems like it.

• 1:35:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's good.

• 1:35:43Speaker 00

  Alright, so you're going, is her husband like, looking over and shit?

• 1:35:48Speaker 02

  I don't know, because I'm focused. When I'm locked in, I'm in. I don't care what's going on around me, it's like the room is empty. When I'm on the football field.

• 1:35:56Speaker 00

  Same thing.

• 1:35:57Speaker 02

  Eighty thousand screaming, I can't hear shit, because I'm locked in on what I have to do. So I had to put on a mean demonstration. I'm gonna give her the one and the two, sometime three and four.

• 1:36:08Speaker 00

  What is, what are those different ones?

• 1:36:09Speaker 02

  It's just levels.

• 1:36:11Speaker 00

  Oh, you start off with the one.

• 1:36:12Speaker 02

  Depending on how much she can take.

• 1:36:14Speaker 00

  Did she go to four?

• 1:36:15Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:36:16Speaker 00

  That girl could go four.

• 1:36:17Speaker 02

  Not, not very many with the four.

• 1:36:18Speaker 00

  Is that right?

• 1:36:19Speaker 02

  Oh yeah.

• 1:36:20Speaker 00

  Can Cambodia go to four?

• 1:36:21Speaker 02

  Fuck no.

• 1:36:22Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:36:23Speaker 02

  She has insurance. I mean, she has insurance, so if she, if she wanna go there and test, you know, test the waters, we can.

• 1:36:30Speaker 00

  Four is just crazy?

• 1:36:31Speaker 02

  Oh yeah.

• 1:36:32Speaker 00

  Just, just ridiculous.

• 1:36:34Speaker 02

  Do you know what happens?

• 1:36:35Speaker 00

  Tell me what happens at four.

• 1:36:36Speaker 02

  Listen, think about this, everybody watching, think about the damage.

• 1:36:41Speaker 00

  Mark, so uncomfortable with sexual.

• 1:36:44Speaker 02

  Mark.

• 1:36:46Speaker 00

  Tell exactly, tell it to Mark, because he gets so uncomfortable with sexual. Yeah, think about it, Mark.

• 1:36:52Speaker 02

  Just visualize this.

• 1:36:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, visualize it.

• 1:36:54Speaker 02

  Me, fifty-six-year-old white woman, oh, she was black, sorry, I've never been a white woman.

• 1:37:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:37:02Speaker 02

  Fifty, no, she was sixty-two actually.

• 1:37:04Speaker 00

  She was sixty-two.

• 1:37:05Speaker 02

  Imagine sixty-two, right, me, three inches, at ninety-nine miles an hour. Think about the damage that does.

• 1:37:18Speaker 00

  You thinking it?

• 1:37:18Speaker 02

  Think about that damage. You got the visual?

• 1:37:21Speaker 00

  Yeah. You ever seen a smart car run into a wall?

• 1:37:25Speaker 02

  At ninety miles an hour, just think about it over and over. Yeah, depending on what she, hey, yeah, I mean, she never got past three, but.

• 1:37:32Speaker 00

  She never got past three?

• 1:37:33Speaker 02

  No, no, level four, oh, four, oh, fucking jackhammer.

• 1:37:36Speaker 00

  Four is the jackhammer.

• 1:37:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, like a rabbit, you ever seen a rabbit go?

• 1:37:40Speaker 00

  I have, yeah, yeah.

• 1:37:41Speaker 02

  Like that. I don't play. I latch on like a fucking chicken on a jukebox.

• 1:37:55Speaker 00

  But you're not, you're not T and B? You're not T and B? Touch and bust? Touch and bust?

• 1:38:00Speaker 02

  Me, no, no, not at all. My reputation's on the line.

• 1:38:04Speaker 00

  So you can hold out?

• 1:38:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:06Speaker 00

  What are you doing to hold out?

• 1:38:07Speaker 02

  Think about football.

• 1:38:09Speaker 00

  Think about football.

• 1:38:10Speaker 02

  Think about football.

• 1:38:11Speaker 00

  So you're in there?

• 1:38:12Speaker 02

  Stay in the moment.

• 1:38:13Speaker 00

  Stay in the moment?

• 1:38:13Speaker 02

  Stay aligned with what I'm doing.

• 1:38:15Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:38:15Speaker 02

  But think about something else.

• 1:38:17Speaker 00

  And what is that, is it Ray Lewis?

• 1:38:18Speaker 02

  It takes time to do that.

• 1:38:22Speaker 00

  How are you staying scared?

• 1:38:24Speaker 02

  Just the game in general.

• 1:38:25Speaker 00

  Just the game in general, you're running routes.

• 1:38:26Speaker 02

  Think about the game, yeah.

• 1:38:27Speaker 00

  Post-corner.

• 1:38:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, you gotta focus. I think, I think porn stars have developed the ability to compartmentalize. What I'm doing, but I'm still not there. I'm here, but I'm not. So I can do multiple positions, you know, get different camera angles. And it makes it look like they're doing it longer than they are, but all this is just camera angles changing.

• 1:38:51Speaker 00

  Are you into porn?

• 1:38:52Speaker 02

  I did amateur porn.

• 1:38:54Speaker 00

  No, you didn't.

• 1:38:55Speaker 02

  I didn't have a choice.

• 1:38:58Speaker 00

  This "I have a choice" thing, you're getting a little liberal. You're being very liberal with that. What did you do in amateur porn?

• 1:39:04Speaker 02

  This was in ninety-eight, so I stripped in ninety-seven and ninety-eight, by the year I was ineligible. Remember, I was at Santa Monica, it took me three years to get out of a two-year institution.

• 1:39:14Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:39:15Speaker 02

  I was ineligible in ninety-eight.

• 1:39:17Speaker 00

  So this is before you went to Oregon State?

• 1:39:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, remember, I was the one for one at Oregon State, I only had, I was only there for four months.

• 1:39:24Speaker 00

  Hold on.

• 1:39:24Speaker 02

  I was a knucklehead, bouncing from school to school, I went to Langs University first.

• 1:39:28Speaker 00

  Yes, and then I remember.

• 1:39:29Speaker 02

  Got thrown out for fighting.

• 1:39:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:39:31Speaker 02

  I end up at, at Santa Monica, I get to play, so that's two years down. Ninety-eight, I'm ineligible. I get my grades together, I play Santa Monica again. Five years to other busy, Oregon State. I was out, I had four months, my back was against the wall, I had to get it done.

• 1:39:50Speaker 00

  So you're in, so you go to porn?

• 1:39:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I did amateur porn.

• 1:39:53Speaker 00

  What makes it amateur? Yeah, what makes it amateur?

• 1:39:55Speaker 02

  I don't get paid.

• 1:39:56Speaker 00

  Wow, lovely game. So you were doing it for the, just the joy of it?

• 1:39:59Speaker 02

  The thrill, yeah.

• 1:40:00Speaker 00

  And any like real?

• 1:40:01Speaker 02

  And hoping I can get some kickback from videos once they went out. So when you're a professional porn star, they're paying you to come.

• 1:40:09Speaker 00

  And when you're an amateur?

• 1:40:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, when you're amateur, they're paying you based on what's viewed and paid for.

• 1:40:14Speaker 00

  And did it ever get viewed?

• 1:40:16Speaker 02

  Eh, a little some, nothing much.

• 1:40:18Speaker 00

  Nothing much.

• 1:40:19Speaker 02

  Think the most I made, what, maybe two-hundred-and-fifty bucks?

• 1:40:23Speaker 00

  Is it still out there now?

• 1:40:25Speaker 02

  You can probably track it down.

• 1:40:26Speaker 00

  No way.

• 1:40:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:28Speaker 00

  Really? Who's tracking the residuals for? It's pretty good.

• 1:40:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it's a good thing for me, because women, "Oh my god, Ocho, I just want the experience, I don't want you." That's pretty cool.

• 1:40:38Speaker 00

  Women would actually ask for the Ocho experience?

• 1:40:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:40Speaker 00

  But no one's been able to take the four?

• 1:40:42Speaker 02

  No, nobody gonna take the four.

• 1:40:44Speaker 00

  Not, not one girl on planet Earth could take the four?

• 1:40:48Speaker 02

  I doubt it.

• 1:40:48Speaker 00

  What about a professional porn star girl?

• 1:40:51Speaker 02

  I've never been one.

• 1:40:52Speaker 00

  But do you think they would be capable of handling the four?

• 1:40:57Speaker 02

  You know any?

• 1:40:59Speaker 00

  I mean, of, you know?

• 1:41:02Speaker 02

  I don't know. That'd be, that'd be fun. I mean, I mean, me and Cambodia, like, we're.

• 1:41:07Speaker 00

  You're locked in.

• 1:41:10Speaker 02

  She's not with the whole sharing shit.

• 1:41:11Speaker 00

  She's not?

• 1:41:12Speaker 02

  But it's so funny, you know? In kindergarten, the first thing they taught you in kindergarten is sharing is caring.

• 1:41:17Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 1:41:18Speaker 02

  So I'm confused, at what point did we get to where?

• 1:41:21Speaker 00

  So selfish.

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  Selfish, right?

• 1:41:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:41:23Speaker 02

  Where, oh, that's my property. Well, technically, I really don't belong to you. Only thing belonging to me is my,

• 1:41:29Speaker 02

  my mistakes.

• 1:41:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:41:30Speaker 02

  And my social security number.

• 1:41:31Speaker 00

  That's true. That's yours. Nobody can take that as yours.

• 1:41:34Speaker 02

  Right? Well, I don't want to get in trouble, so I'll stop there.

• 1:41:40Speaker 00

  How did you meet Shannon Sharp for the first time? Did you guys play together in the league?

• 1:41:44Speaker 02

  No, we, um, my first year was his last year. And obviously, always been a fan of his. He was a fan of mine, cussing my ass out on TV because I was acting a fool. And the relationship, it was perfect. Cause we are complete opposites, as you can see. I share and talk about anything. He's a complete opposite.

• 1:42:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:03Speaker 02

  He's reserved, very structured, very disciplined when it comes to work. Me? Oh, I'm not.

• 1:42:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:09Speaker 02

  I'm saying any and everything. If it happened, the world's gonna know about it.

• 1:42:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:13Speaker 02

  And that, that dynamic with him and I on nightcap has been phenomenal. The addition of Joe, cause I don't know shit about basketball.

• 1:42:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:20Speaker 02

  Has been really good. And I watched Joe play his entire career. I'd never heard Joe Johnson talk.

• 1:42:26Speaker 00

  Me neither.

• 1:42:27Speaker 02

  He came on the show, and oh, man, it's been a joy.

• 1:42:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:31Speaker 02

  It's been a joy, man. So it's, it's been, it's been awesome for me, man.

• 1:42:34Speaker 00

  So wait, you and Shannon connect from him talking shit about you?

• 1:42:37Speaker 02

  Well, no, not, not just, just over the, every media person.

• 1:42:40Speaker 00

  Of course, of course. I mean, I mean, like, he's obviously doing.

• 1:42:43Speaker 02

  Came with the idea.

• 1:42:44Speaker 00

  Broadcasting.

• 1:42:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, he came, the idea about, about him doing a.

• 1:42:47Speaker 00

  So you didn't take it personal when these guys would be critical of you?

• 1:42:50Speaker 02

  No, I like it.

• 1:42:50Speaker 00

  Especially the ex-player?

• 1:42:51Speaker 02

  No, I, I tried to do, tried to do more.

• 1:42:53Speaker 00

  So that they would keep talking?

• 1:42:54Speaker 02

  Keep talking, yeah.

• 1:42:55Speaker 00

  Interesting. So then when you finally see him, is he like hesitant because he's like, I know I've talked trash about you?

• 1:43:01Speaker 02

  Because I'm a social butterfly. They know I don't give two you-know-what.

• 1:43:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:43:04Speaker 02

  They know I don't care.

• 1:43:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:43:05Speaker 02

  There was nothing you could say that could rattle me through the media. Nothing. At all.

• 1:43:10Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:43:11Speaker 02

  Because I, I don't care. I literally don't care.

• 1:43:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:43:14Speaker 02

  At all. This is, and I've always been that way. I never understood people that allow words to bother them. Especially from people they don't know, or even people that have played the sport. They, okay, so what? Oh, you don't like me? Okay, cool. Give a fuck.

• 1:43:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:43:29Speaker 02

  Just doesn't matter. I didn't care enough about what others thought.

• 1:43:34Speaker 00

  Fascinating.

• 1:43:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, that is.

• 1:43:36Speaker 00

  So like, comments online, feedback? What about things you care about?

• 1:43:39Speaker 02

  I love that.

• 1:43:40Speaker 00

  So like, you care about doing the show?

• 1:43:43Speaker 02

  I care about a woman's feet being done. I care about that. But, you know, anybody's opinion on me, nah, I give two shits.

• 1:43:51Speaker 00

  What about if it's feedback from the women? The ones you care about?

• 1:43:54Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, feedback is always good.

• 1:43:56Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:43:57Speaker 02

  My reputation is what it is.

• 1:43:59Speaker 00

  All right.

• 1:44:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:02Speaker 01

  Have you talked to Shannon about this photograph?

• 1:44:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. Have you ever talked to him about his outfits?

• 1:44:08Speaker 02

  Nah, I mean, you gotta, you gotta understand, Unc has two, two replaced hips.

• 1:44:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:44:15Speaker 02

  So he's hurt. So the, the camera catches him when he's, he's leaning, you know? So, that's, that's my guy.

• 1:44:34Speaker 00

  A good friend right there.

• 1:44:35Speaker 02

  I'm, I didn't, I almost had to beat some people up, man, about Unc, man.

• 1:44:38Speaker 00

  No way.

• 1:44:39Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:44:39Speaker 00

  What happened?

• 1:44:39Speaker 02

  They gave, they gave, that's my cause.

• 1:44:42Speaker 00

  So you actually, you're more protective of other people than even yourself?

• 1:44:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I fucked somebody up by saying that.

• 1:44:47Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:44:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, hey, yeah.

• 1:44:51Speaker 00

  So shout out Shannon, man.

• 1:44:52Speaker 02

  Unc, I got you, baby.

• 1:44:54Speaker 00

  We love you, Unc.

• 1:44:55Speaker 02

  Just bail me out.

• 1:44:56Speaker 00

  We love you. So really, some people tried to press Unc and you were like?

• 1:45:01Speaker 02

  Nah, I mean, it's just, you know, online jokes and, nah, I like, I like.

• 1:45:04Speaker 00

  He's good with jokes. Like, even when I was on the show, I was teasing him and he's good. He laughs. Like, he's great with it.

• 1:45:09Speaker 02

  I like engaging back and forth. It's, it's fun. It's fun. It's fun.

• 1:45:14Speaker 00

  Dude, and then you also got your show, the soccer.

• 1:45:17Speaker 02

  The Late Run.

• 1:45:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:45:18Speaker 02

  Oh, I love, I love. The idea came about, um, a while ago. We just started in February, if I'm not mistaken, I, I think. I had some, you know, some, some dudes, you know, sit down and, and, uh, go back and forth about soccer, seeing what their knowledge was of the game. And Raheem, you know, Raheem, man, he's been dope, man. Great energy. Knows what he's talking about. Been around for a very long time.

• 1:45:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:45:44Speaker 02

  Knows the ins and outs and, and the flows of, of the beautiful game.

• 1:45:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:45:48Speaker 02

  And, and that union and camaraderie with him and being able to piggyback and bounce off of him has been.

• 1:45:54Speaker 00

  But also big guests. Like, you talking players? Like, this is, is that, is that like nerve-wracking to you at all?

• 1:46:00Speaker 02

  No, because I know all the players.

• 1:46:02Speaker 00

  Got it. Okay.

• 1:46:02Speaker 02

  So it's been easy to get most of the players based on my love for the game and traveling to see them since 2001.

• 1:46:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:46:09Speaker 02

  When football sees the ends, I'm gone.

• 1:46:12Speaker 00

  But when, when you were hanging out with Mario, how was that?

• 1:46:14Speaker 02

  Balotelli?

• 1:46:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:46:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's my guy. Yeah, Mario's my guy, man. He's, he's, he's funny. He's funny. I was able to see him when he was, um, when he was at Man City. When he was at Liver, Liverpool. What year was that? I, everywhere, everywhere he stopped. Ronaldinho, Thierry Henry, there's a lot of time. I'm talking about, these are dude, when these dudes were in their prime. Messi, Cristiano, I'm talking about in their, in their prime.

• 1:46:39Speaker 00

  Can we ask you the obvious soccer question?

• 1:46:41Speaker 02

  Cristiano.

• 1:46:42Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:46:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:43Speaker 00

  And why?

• 1:46:44Speaker 01

  Makes sense.

• 1:46:45Speaker 02

  I mean, just Cristiano. Messi, to me, I, I always say it all the time. Messi is the greatest gift to the beautiful game.

• 1:46:53Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:46:54Speaker 02

  But my goat will always be Cristiano.

• 1:46:55Speaker 00

  But why, why is that? Why is?

• 1:46:57Speaker 02

  I just prefer Cristiano. Regardless of the accolades, regardless of trophies and all that shit aside, my preference on style of player that I enjoy watching.

• 1:47:06Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 1:47:06Speaker 02

  Is Cristiano.

• 1:47:07Speaker 00

  But that's a preference on style of play. If you had to say who is the best ever, you still go Cristiano?

• 1:47:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause that's what I like. Yeah.

• 1:47:14Speaker 00

  He's what you like?

• 1:47:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:16Speaker 00

  And if you were objective, outside of what I like?

• 1:47:21Speaker 02

  Cristiano.

• 1:47:22Speaker 00

  Cristiano. Hundred percent.

• 1:47:23Speaker 02

  It's not changing.

• 1:47:24Speaker 00

  The best, who is the most skilled soccer player ever?

• 1:47:31Speaker 02

  Neymar, maybe Ronaldinho.

• 1:47:32Speaker 00

  Ronaldinho, maybe. You gotta throw Messi in there too, right?

• 1:47:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, Messi doesn't do it on the pitch. He can do it.

• 1:47:38Speaker 00

  But he's not doing what Ronaldinho is doing.

• 1:47:40Speaker 02

  He doesn't do what Ronald, but he can do it. That's, that's the funny thing about it. He can do it, but he just doesn't. He is straight ahead.

• 1:47:47Speaker 00

  Killer.

• 1:47:47Speaker 02

  Hezzy, fake, faint, and that's it. But Neymar and Ronaldinho, they will do it and execute it in, in game.

• 1:47:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:47:58Speaker 02

  When you're not supposed to.

• 1:47:59Speaker 00

  I lived in Barcelona when, uh, when Barcelona won the La Liga with Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Iniesta.

• 1:48:07Speaker 02

  Iniesta, yeah.

• 1:48:07Speaker 00

  It was crazy.

• 1:48:09Speaker 02

  I was, matter of fact, I got a picture with Messi during that time. He wasn't even, he wasn't even.

• 1:48:14Speaker 00

  He wasn't on the team when I was there. Yeah.

• 1:48:16Speaker 02

  He wouldn't.

• 1:48:17Speaker 00

  Maybe he was on the youth academy or something like that.

• 1:48:19Speaker 02

  No, he was on the bench.

• 1:48:21Speaker 00

  No, when I, when I was there, I was, that was 20 years ago.

• 1:48:26Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 1:48:26Speaker 00

  He was a baby.

• 1:48:27Speaker 02

  Wow. Had the fucking mushroom cut.

• 1:48:29Speaker 00

  Both you guys are babies, man.

• 1:48:32Speaker 02

  Oh, shit, my bad.

• 1:48:32Speaker 00

  Oh, no, it's okay.

• 1:48:33Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:48:34Speaker 01

  Who's the, uh, who's the Cristiano Ronaldo of the NFL?

• 1:48:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. Who are the counterparts?

• 1:48:39Speaker 02

  Yo, that's a good one.

• 1:48:40Speaker 00

  And then who's Messi of the NFL?

• 1:48:42Speaker 02

  I mean, depending on who you ask, it's 90%, the population says Messi's the goat. Then Messi would have to be Tom Brady.

• 1:48:51Speaker 00

  Interesting. Like, like, we made it with, we made it with, uh, basketball a little bit easier. You know, like, maybe Cristiano's LeBron and maybe Messi's Steph.

• 1:49:03Speaker 00

  Or Kyrie.

• 1:49:03Speaker 02

  Messi wouldn't be Jordan?

• 1:49:05Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:49:06Speaker 02

  Why?

• 1:49:07Speaker 00

  Or you could say maybe Cristiano's Jordan and then Messi is Steph or Kyrie. In terms of like incredible skill, but they can't overpower the game in the way that LeBron or Jordan could overpower the game if they wanted to.

• 1:49:20Speaker 02

  Okay, I got you, I got you, I got you. I got you. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes.

• 1:49:23Speaker 00

  So Brady's your goat, greatest NFL player of all time?

• 1:49:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, he is. He is.

• 1:49:27Speaker 00

  No question. When you played with him?

• 1:49:29Speaker 02

  Greatest quarterback.

• 1:49:30Speaker 00

  Distinct difference playing with him?

• 1:49:32Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:49:33Speaker 00

  Was there anything unique about him? Did you like the way he threw the ball?

• 1:49:37Speaker 02

  He's very cool.

• 1:49:38Speaker 00

  Just like calm, collected?

• 1:49:40Speaker 02

  Collected, his walk is like, motherfuckers different.

• 1:49:44Speaker 00

  You felt it?

• 1:49:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can see it. It just, I had, people talk about aura.

• 1:49:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:49:49Speaker 02

  What is aura? Aura is Tom Brady. I'm not talking about the Tom Brady you get to see on, on TV or the Tom Brady in the broadcast booth. But you have to see him when there's no cameras around. But this motherfucker's cool.

• 1:50:00Speaker 00

  Tell me, tell me, tell me.

• 1:50:01Speaker 02

  I mean, he's just.

• 1:50:02Speaker 00

  Cause you obviously watched this guy play for years and then you played with him. There's a distinct difference?

• 1:50:05Speaker 02

  His mannerisms, his, uh, just the way he carries himself, the way he talks, it's just different. You never expect the greatest of all time to be like he is. Super down-to-earth, like really cool. It is like, oh my goodness. Okay, cool. I didn't expect you to be like this. Especially you don't think someone that is the greatest of, where they're due, to be that down-to-earth.

• 1:50:28Speaker 01

  Do you have any Tom Brady stories that you feel like exemplify that point?

• 1:50:35Speaker 02

  No, not really. I don't. But you know how much I love Frank Sinatra, right?

• 1:50:44Speaker 02

  For some reason, I think like Tom is like a, a reincarnated Frank.

• 1:50:49Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 1:50:50Speaker 02

  Smooth. The way he talks, his walk, fucking he drops back cool with the ball.

• 1:51:01Speaker 02

  Everything is, is, is always in rhythm. It's like, I don't know.

• 1:51:05Speaker 00

  Controlled.

• 1:51:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. I don't, it's just.

• 1:51:09Speaker 00

  Did you enjoy playing in his offense?

• 1:51:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was fun. I didn't do shit there, but it was fun. We won every, every year. I mean, every game.

• 1:51:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:51:18Speaker 02

  Coming hell or high water, we were gonna win. You felt it. Easy. Except the. Fucking Super Bowl.

• 1:51:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's a tricky one.

• 1:51:26Speaker 02

  That was dope. I enjoyed, I enjoyed my time there. That was dope. I, me and Bill are still like this.

• 1:51:31Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:51:31Speaker 02

  I can text Bill right now. Yeah.

• 1:51:32Speaker 01

  That clip of him telling you that you're.

• 1:51:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, fucking double team me in the preseason. Who the fuck does that?

• 1:51:37Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, wait.

• 1:51:38Speaker 01

  This is an all-time clip. I can try to find it.

• 1:51:40Speaker 00

  What, what is it?

• 1:51:43Speaker 02

  Preseason, preseason game. And obviously, you know, in the preseason, I love to play in the preseason. Because I want to get myself acclimated to game speed and game tempo as fast as possible. And the only way to do that is by actually playing in the preseason.

• 1:51:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:51:56Speaker 02

  A lot of players now, they think it's not cool. But get that, I need it. Cause I want to hit the ground running week one as in shape and as in, um, as in game tempo as much as possible. Cause practice and game speed is completely different.

• 1:52:12Speaker 00

  Oh, completely different.

• 1:52:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, um, preseason game, we were playing the Patriots and, oh, you got it?

• 1:52:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. Double covering is, so you deal the night off. One double eighty-five. That's our call. One double eighty-five.

• 1:52:26Speaker 02

  No matter where I go?

• 1:52:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you can't hide.

• 1:52:28Speaker 02

  Come on, Coach. I'm serious, he's just playing. Just tell him he's just playing.

• 1:52:32Speaker 01

  I can watch you run in the end zone and spike the wall here.

• 1:52:36Speaker 01

  Have a good one.

• 1:52:36Speaker 02

  Alright, alright.

• 1:52:41Speaker 00

  So he doubled you in the preseason?

• 1:52:45Speaker 00

  And that wasn't just a joke, he really did.

• 1:52:46Speaker 02

  No, he did, he did. He did too. I think that's the game, even though he doubled me, I think I still kicked the winning field goal that game.

• 1:52:53Speaker 00

  Oh, that's right, I remember you kicking the field goal.

• 1:52:55Speaker 02

  I kicked the winning field goal. Yeah, that was fun. That was fun.

• 1:52:57Speaker 00

  Who do you think takes it this year?

• 1:53:00Speaker 02

  It's too early to tell. It's way too early. There's some teams that look really good.

• 1:53:03Speaker 00

  That's interesting with football, is that like, you really don't know until mid-season. Injuries start popping up.

• 1:53:08Speaker 02

  Bingo, that's the important part. Who's healthy at the season? You know, Myles Garrett just goes down, you know, he's out. A.J. Brown gets hurt, first game of the season. Like, injury, the injury bug, it can derail a lot, especially depending on how important that player is.

• 1:53:24Speaker 00

  I know you don't gamble, but if you had to, for example? And you had to say, listen, this is who I think is gonna do it this season?

• 1:53:41Speaker 02

  I don't know why, I don't know why I could see like a Bears and...

• 1:53:47Speaker 02

  A Bears and Bengals Super Bowl?

• 1:53:49Speaker 00

  Are you betting your book right now? Like, are you saying Bengals just because you're...

• 1:53:54Speaker 02

  Well, obviously I'm picking the Bengals to come out the AFC regardless.

• 1:53:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:53:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, Kalu Smith's got the Bengals at 5% for the NFL, for the Super Bowl.

• 1:54:02Speaker 00

  What about Bears?

• 1:54:04Speaker 01

  Um, I don't know. Uh, 5%.

• 1:54:06Speaker 00

  5%.

• 1:54:07Speaker 01

  But they got, the Rams are number one at 13%.

• 1:54:11Speaker 02

  Even with the injuries, huh?

• 1:54:13Speaker 01

  It went down a little bit. It went down because of that, yeah. Yeah, and the Bills at 9%.

• 1:54:20Speaker 02

  Is that the Ravens' third?

• 1:54:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, Ravens' third.

• 1:54:25Speaker 00

  Is there a quarterback you wish you played with?

• 1:54:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:54:28Speaker 00

  Anytime in history?

• 1:54:29Speaker 02

  Burrow.

• 1:54:30Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:54:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:31Speaker 00

  Is this just because you love the Bengals?

• 1:54:33Speaker 02

  No, just, yeah. It would've been dope. I'm not gonna play with any quarterback, because I was always open, so it didn't matter.

• 1:54:39Speaker 02

  Just put the ball in the area. Yeah, so, but...

• 1:54:41Speaker 00

  But for your specific game, was there, like, you prefer a guy with an arm, right? Like...

• 1:54:46Speaker 02

  I mean, you don't have to have a strong arm, just get it in the area, and I'll take care of the rest.

• 1:54:51Speaker 00

  Like that?

• 1:54:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, because you know, there are guys that don't have the strongest arms, but they can anticipate throws, they can throw you open, you have some guys that...

• 1:54:59Speaker 00

  Remember Chad Pennington?

• 1:55:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:01Speaker 00

  Didn't have a great arm, but...

• 1:55:03Speaker 02

  He can anticipate, he can, ball placement was really good, he was accurate. I can play with somebody like that. It didn't matter. Just put that bitch in the area. One eye and all, I got it.

• 1:55:13Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:55:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:14Speaker 00

  That much confidence?

• 1:55:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:15Speaker 00

  Was there a DB that you thought that gave you nightmares at all?

• 1:55:19Speaker 02

  Rivas. Not nightmares, but he's good, he was good. That 2009 season?

• 1:55:23Speaker 00

  He was the guy.

• 1:55:24Speaker 02

  He was that guy. I don't think that would ever be replicated. The gauntlet that he went through of Hall of Famers and top receivers in the NFL, that he held under 50 yards that season.

• 1:55:34Speaker 00

  And what was it that was so...

• 1:55:37Speaker 02

  He was just good, he was good.

• 1:55:39Speaker 00

  Was he strong at the line?

• 1:55:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:42Speaker 00

  Because he didn't look like a physically imposing DB. Like, some of these guys are tall, okay, he was...

• 1:55:46Speaker 02

  He's strong, he's strong. And that strength is not my game, so I didn't really have to deal with the strength. But he was just really technically sound, and made no mistakes, was always in position, always.

• 1:55:58Speaker 00

  What does that mean, always in position?

• 1:55:59Speaker 02

  In position to make a play. So he never, he never misstepped, or he never hesitated. He always kept himself top side, which is obviously in front of you, so he can always be in position to make a play.

• 1:56:10Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 1:56:10Speaker 02

  He was really, really good.

• 1:56:12Speaker 00

  And was there anything you would be trying to set him up for, and you just couldn't get it off, like you could get on other guys? Was he cerebral on it?

• 1:56:18Speaker 02

  It would work on everybody else, but it wouldn't work on him, because he was so sound, and didn't make any mistakes.

• 1:56:24Speaker 00

  What was it? Was there like a little move that you had specifically?

• 1:56:27Speaker 02

  No, no, it just, he stayed, he stayed, he stayed at the top.

• 1:56:30Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 1:56:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:31Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 1:56:32Speaker 02

  If you keep everything in front of you, there's no way for it to get behind you.

• 1:56:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah, but it's also hard to keep everything in front of you, when you're going against elite guys.

• 1:56:40Speaker 02

  Not him. He was very patient.

• 1:56:43Speaker 00

  And then, my only question is, what happens to DBs where it feels like, one year? They can be prolific for four years, and then one year, something can happen where it seems like they're game... Is it just, is it so speed reliant that...

• 1:56:58Speaker 02

  No, it's not even speed, because you don't even have to be the fastest in the world, if you understand angles, you understand technique and what you're doing.

• 1:57:04Speaker 00

  So what the fuck is it, that one year, it seems like they can fall off?

• 1:57:06Speaker 02

  It happens. It happens. It's different. It's different. It's a game, it's a game of inches. One misstep, one wrong move, one wrong step.

• 1:57:19Speaker 02

  You're done.

• 1:57:20Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:57:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's how it is. It's... I'm trying to think of the word to use. It's an art to play a DB, and it's an art to play a receiver. And when it's done the right way? It's, and you know what you're watching? It's masterful.

• 1:57:39Speaker 00

  When you were a kid and you watched like Deion, for example?

• 1:57:44Speaker 00

  Was that the art at the highest level? Was that pure athletic and intelligence, like what?

• 1:57:51Speaker 02

  Intelligence, athleticism, speed.

• 1:57:55Speaker 00

  Like, obviously he had some natural gifts with speed.

• 1:57:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:57:57Speaker 00

  There are guys that are slower than him, that are still very prolific DBs. But like, what's the highest level? It's Rivas in that one year?

• 1:58:07Speaker 02

  Rivas, that 2009 season. Champ Bailey.

• 1:58:11Speaker 00

  I was about to say Champ.

• 1:58:12Speaker 02

  Champ, obviously Deion.

• 1:58:16Speaker 02

  Asante Samuel, doesn't get the credit he deserves.

• 1:58:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, interesting.

• 1:58:20Speaker 02

  Has a lot of interceptions. He was very, very good, and he got a lot of interceptions. He was able to do it playing off. Being able to read coverages, understand tendencies, understand formation, route concepts. He was really good, and didn't get the credit he deserves.

• 1:58:34Speaker 00

  Playing off means like, playing a zone?

• 1:58:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, playing off. Man to man, but just playing off, which I think is much more difficult, because the person is running at you full speed.

• 1:58:42Speaker 00

  So you can't impact his route at all?

• 1:58:44Speaker 02

  Bingo. And he's still able to... Oh, man, he was good.

• 1:58:48Speaker 00

  So that's pure IQ, right? That's like, understanding the setups?

• 1:58:51Speaker 02

  You could tell he was a student of the game. Definitely a student of the game.

• 1:58:55Mark Gagnon?

  Now, who's the opposite of Rivas? Where it's like, every time you went against this person, you know you're cooking up...

• 1:59:00Speaker 00

  Don't say Jason Sehorn, because he's white.

• 1:59:01Speaker 02

  Anybody.

• 1:59:04Mark Gagnon?

  I know that, I'm sure, a lot.

• 1:59:06Speaker 00

  Was there a guy where you're like, I'm eating this week?

• 1:59:08Speaker 02

  Everybody.

• 1:59:09Speaker 00

  Was, okay, was there a thing with white DBs where, like, the milk check?

• 1:59:12Speaker 02

  I'm trying to think. The milk check?

• 1:59:14Speaker 00

  Have you heard about that?

• 1:59:15Speaker 02

  No, that's so funny.

• 1:59:16Speaker 00

  I don't know if that's an NBA term, but it was like, alright.

• 1:59:19Speaker 02

  I don't think we had any white DBs.

• 1:59:21Speaker 00

  Jason Sehorn, you must have played against?

• 1:59:23Speaker 02

  No. No, what year was that? Sehorn was way before me.

• 1:59:27Speaker 00

  Was he?

• 1:59:28Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 1:59:29Mark Gagnon?

  Damn, that's the last time you had a...

• 1:59:31Speaker 01

  94, 2002.

• 1:59:32Speaker 00

  94 to 2002?

• 1:59:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, but we didn't play the Giants in 2001 or 2002.

• 1:59:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:59:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was my second year, my first and second year.

• 1:59:43Speaker 02

  Sehorn. Sehorn played during Shannon's... Shannon's era.

• 1:59:48Mark Gagnon?

  Now, is this just football etiquette, you don't want to talk shit about any of the old players? Like, I know there's somebody that's like...

• 1:59:55Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:59:55Mark Gagnon?

  I know I'm gonna cook this nigga every single time.

• 1:59:57Speaker 02

  No, that was everybody. But you're asking me a question that I already did publicly, when I was playing each week.

• 2:00:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, which is, I'm gonna cook you every single week.

• 2:00:05Speaker 02

  Remember the list of players I had in my locker? Remember that? I had a list of DBs?

• 2:00:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:00:10Speaker 02

  Before the season started? Like, it doesn't get any worse shit talking than that. I got all your names in my locker, you just have to stop me one time in the game, and you get a check of who stopped 85. Like, I didn't care, I was extremely, extremely confident. Not in myself, but the work I had already put in. There's no way in hell y'all stopping me. I don't care anything about your defensive scheme, I don't care who your defensive coordinator is, I don't care what you do.

• 2:00:38Speaker 00

  Your hands aren't huge.

• 2:00:39Speaker 02

  Huh? Yeah, but you know what, never mind.

• 2:00:43Speaker 00

  But like, is that an advantage for a...

• 2:00:45Speaker 02

  No. My hands were never big. Never big. And then, my hands are small, not small, but then I had one eye. That makes it even worse.

• 2:00:56Speaker 00

  So how, the success?

• 2:00:57Speaker 02

  Strong hands.

• 2:00:58Speaker 00

  Got it. And were you doing the work, like, oh god, there's a wide receiver, I'm forgetting his name right now? That like, would do all these, there was these like, hand flex exercises?

• 2:01:07Speaker 02

  Oh my god. But you know what I did use? What do you call the thing, the gripper thing? Just raise the hands?

• 2:01:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:01:13Speaker 02

  And I had really strong hands, even though they're small. Really strong hands. Because I catch everything. And I have to wait till they get up on me, so I can... Damn it!

• 2:01:26Speaker 00

  Do you miss the game?

• 2:01:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:01:29Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 2:01:29Speaker 02

  I had fun. I had fun. I think if I had changed and informed to the way the media said I should... Be quiet down, act like you been there before. Stop celebrating, stop using props. And I chose to change. I think then I'd be like, damn. I didn't get to really have the fun I wanted to. Because I wasn't really able to be my authentically my true self.

• 2:01:52Speaker 00

  So you felt like you played the game exactly how you want to play. You got everything out of it. There's not a part of you that wishes that you could get back in there?

• 2:01:58Speaker 02

  No. They better never put me in Hall of Fame.

• 2:02:01Speaker 00

  Wait, oh, really?

• 2:02:02Speaker 02

  They better not.

• 2:02:03Speaker 00

  Why?

• 2:02:03Speaker 02

  Because I'm coming out with a song with Sinatra's My Way Plan. I want fucking smoke, pyrotechnics, whatever that shit is called. They haven't seen a Hall of Fame introduction or ceremony until they let me in.

• 2:02:18Speaker 00

  Do you think that you make the Hall of Fame?

• 2:02:20Speaker 02

  Fuck no.

• 2:02:21Speaker 00

  Why not?

• 2:02:22Speaker 02

  What do you mean? I'm the villain.

• 2:02:24Speaker 00

  Based on credentials, based on what you've done and accomplished in your career?

• 2:02:28Speaker 02

  They made Bill Belichick wait.

• 2:02:30Speaker 00

  Yo, can you explain what that was about?

• 2:02:32Speaker 02

  I don't know, but I don't know. It's ridiculous. They had too much power. But I would never, I would never, you already know how I don't care, right?

• 2:02:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:02:40Speaker 02

  I would never give the people that have the power to vote. I would never give them the satisfaction of thinking I actually care.

• 2:02:46Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 2:02:47Speaker 02

  You're not controlling, you're not controlling my emotions like that. And I hate seeing players begging, trying to be a part of something that they're not welcome to. If I was an actor, if I was an actor, I'm not begging the Oscars to allow me to come and give me an Oscar. My work already speaks for itself. The numbers I put in speak for itself. My peers that I played with and against.

• 2:03:08Speaker 00

  They know.

• 2:03:09Speaker 02

  That's enough.

• 2:03:09Speaker 00

  That's enough validation for you.

• 2:03:10Speaker 02

  I can go the exposure, oh, my God, Ocho way in fucking Qatar. How the fuck do you know who I am? And I ain't played football in 15 years.

• 2:03:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:03:19Speaker 02

  That's Hall of Fame.

• 2:03:20Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 2:03:20Speaker 02

  I don't, the jacket is cool. You know what it means, what it stands for.

• 2:03:26Speaker 00

  Let's say hypothetically it happens.

• 2:03:29Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm coming out.

• 2:03:30Speaker 00

  What's that speech like?

• 2:03:32Speaker 02

  I'm gonna thank all you bitches.

• 2:03:36Speaker 02

  For molding me into the man. No, I wouldn't do that. But it wouldn't happen. You, I understand politics.

• 2:03:44Speaker 00

  You understand the game.

• 2:03:44Speaker 02

  And I don't like to play politics. If I did, I would have been a fucking politician. So that's why I put on the fake Hall of Fame jacket. Because I already knew I had crossed the 10,000 yard mark. That on that catch against the Ravens. That was the one, that was the same hit, the same game.

• 2:04:01Speaker 00

  Oh, really?

• 2:04:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, where I hit Ray.

• 2:04:04Speaker 00

  Oh, you were feeling good once you crossed 10,000.

• 2:04:06Speaker 02

  And I crossed 10,000. And at that moment, you know what? Put this jacket on. I'm Hall of Fame worthy and I'm not waiting on y'all. I made my own damn jacket. I'll induct myself.

• 2:04:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:04:16Mark Gagnon?

  That's fire.

• 2:04:16Speaker 02

  That's ballsy.

• 2:04:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:04:18Speaker 02

  I don't need you.

• 2:04:21Speaker 00

  Look at that.

• 2:04:23Speaker 01

  What's the best trash talk? The funniest trash talk someone ever hit you with? Anything that make you laugh, like you're in the game and you're like, ah, that's pretty good.

• 2:04:31Speaker 02

  No, nobody really talked back because they understood the mental, the mental games I was trying to play.

• 2:04:35Speaker 01

  What was your game trash talk wise?

• 2:04:37Speaker 02

  Yes, it wasn't, it wasn't like trash talk. You ever hear Steve Smith Sr. talk trash?

• 2:04:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:04:42Speaker 02

  Like he's like more like fuck you, your mama, your parents, your girl. I'll fuck your wife. I'm more fun, hey, how's the family? How the kids?

• 2:04:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:04:52Speaker 02

  How you feeling? You good? I'm being nice. And if I can get you to converse, I got you.

• 2:04:57Speaker 01

  There's that one moment where you're trying to talk to someone and then I don't even know who comes over and says, no, don't talk to me.

• 2:05:02Speaker 02

  Bart Scott.

• 2:05:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:03Speaker 02

  Bart Scott knew I was trying to soften up the defensive players. We're conversational.

• 2:05:07Speaker 01

  And you have such a funny line where he comes over and goes.

• 2:05:09Speaker 02

  Bart, I'm trying to show you some hospitality. I fucking love you. I'm not the bad guy. Fucking love you.

• 2:05:15Speaker 01

  That's amazing trash talk to go, I love you. Like, what do you even say to that? It's perfect.

• 2:05:20Speaker 00

  Yeah. Were you ever saying nice shit to a DB and they're like a younger guy and they're like, hey, bro, I'm a big fan? And then in that, look at you smiling already. And that moment be like, I'm cooking you.

• 2:05:30Speaker 02

  No, because I never got the young DB because I would always, I was the number one corner.

• 2:05:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:05:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. Those were some fun days, man. Those were some fun days. Oh, man.

• 2:05:42Mark Gagnon?

  Where do you redirect the competitive nature?

• 2:05:46Speaker 02

  Now?

• 2:05:46Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:47Speaker 02

  Sex.

• 2:05:49Speaker 00

  Level four.

• 2:05:50Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, you gotta pray for Cambodia right now.

• 2:05:52Speaker 00

  Pray for Cambodia, everybody. Pray for Cambodia.

• 2:05:56Speaker 02

  Gaming.

• 2:05:57Mark Gagnon?

  Okay.

• 2:05:58Speaker 00

  Oh, FIFA?

• 2:05:58Speaker 02

  Obviously, I'm a huge, huge, I'm huge.

• 2:06:00Speaker 00

  I never lost on FIFA.

• 2:06:05Speaker 02

  Let's play right now.

• 2:06:06Speaker 00

  Do we have it? I thought we did have it.

• 2:06:09Speaker 01

  At one point we did, but I don't know whose Xbox that was.

• 2:06:12Mark Gagnon?

  It's been years.

• 2:06:13Speaker 02

  Gaming, that's where that, where I still get that competitive love that is gone, you know, from, from football.

• 2:06:21Mark Gagnon?

  And not the same head games, are you talking shit?

• 2:06:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:24Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah?

• 2:06:25Speaker 02

  Battlefield, Call of Duty, Madden, obviously, and FIFA. New FIFA's coming out next week too. I'm excited. I'm excited.

• 2:06:33Speaker 00

  You ever play Street Fighter?

• 2:06:35Speaker 02

  No, I don't really like fighting games. I like Undisputed. Undisputed is a boxing game.

• 2:06:40Speaker 00

  Fuck that. Fuck that.

• 2:06:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't like Street Fighter.

• 2:06:43Speaker 00

  Fuck that.

• 2:06:43Speaker 02

  I remember, I remember.

• 2:06:45Speaker 00

  Fuck you, dude.

• 2:06:46Speaker 02

  I remember Blanca. Who else? Street Fighter, Dazlum.

• 2:06:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:06:51Speaker 02

  And the people used to say I looked like him.

• 2:06:52Speaker 00

  You kind of look like Dazlum.

• 2:06:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, long arms.

• 2:06:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:06:56Speaker 02

  Damn, who else? Liu Kang? No, that's Mortal Kombat.

• 2:07:00Speaker 00

  Ryu and Ken.

• 2:07:01Speaker 02

  Ryu and Ken, yeah.

• 2:07:02Speaker 00

  Chun-Li.

• 2:07:03Speaker 02

  I.

• 2:07:03Speaker 00

  Like Ken Bo. All of a sudden, you know a lot about Street Fighter.

• 2:07:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, because I remember, I remember. You talk, I'm talking about Arcade Machine.

• 2:07:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:07:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:11Speaker 00

  Exactly. 100%. October 16th in theaters.

• 2:07:15Mark Gagnon?

  Yeah, he's in the new Street Fighter movie.

• 2:07:16Speaker 02

  You are?

• 2:07:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:07:17Speaker 02

  Why didn't you tell me?

• 2:07:18Speaker 00

  Well, because I was trying to set you up and then you shit all over.

• 2:07:22Speaker 02

  Damn, my bad.

• 2:07:24Speaker 02

  Hey, who are you? Are you Ken?

• 2:07:26Speaker 00

  I play, I play Dan Hibiki.

• 2:07:28Speaker 02

  Hibiki?

• 2:07:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's in a later version of the game.

• 2:07:30Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah?

• 2:07:30Speaker 00

  He was like a joke character that they made to make fun of another video game that ripped them off. He got like a pink gi on.

• 2:07:35Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 2:07:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:07:36Speaker 02

  What's a pink gi?

• 2:07:38Speaker 00

  Pink gi is, yeah, here he is, like it's.

• 2:07:40Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:07:41Speaker 00

  Like the outfit, the karate outfit he wears.

• 2:07:43Speaker 02

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 2:07:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:07:45Speaker 02

  Oh, so you had the ponytail too?

• 2:07:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:07:48Speaker 02

  Did you fight anybody?

• 2:07:49Speaker 00

  I kind of get my ass kicked.

• 2:07:51Speaker 02

  You lost? They put that in the script?

• 2:07:52Speaker 00

  I can't, I can't give away the whole movie, man.

• 2:07:56Speaker 02

  But you got your ass kicked?

• 2:07:57Speaker 00

  Maybe, who knows? You gotta go see it, October 16th.

• 2:08:00Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm going to check it out.

• 2:08:01Speaker 00

  There we go. There we go.

• 2:08:04Speaker 02

  Is it E Honda? Is that?

• 2:08:05Speaker 00

  E Honda's in it?

• 2:08:06Speaker 02

  I remember E Honda.

• 2:08:06Speaker 00

  You know the game?

• 2:08:08Speaker 02

  No, that's.

• 2:08:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's it. That's exactly it.

• 2:08:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know the game because now.

• 2:08:11Speaker 00

  Greatest fighting game in history. It started it all. Nothing happens without Street Fighter. This is before Tekken.

• 2:08:20Speaker 02

  Mortal Kombat?

• 2:08:20Speaker 00

  Before.

• 2:08:22Speaker 01

  Mike Tyson Punch-Out?

• 2:08:25Speaker 00

  Oh, shit, I don't know.

• 2:08:26Speaker 02

  Hey, Nintendo, here we go.

• 2:08:27Speaker 00

  But that was a banger. I like Mike Tyson Punch-Out. That was fire, bro. It was always interesting that you had to fight Mike.

• 2:08:34Speaker 02

  At the end.

• 2:08:35Speaker 00

  It's, but it's rare that like there's a video game based around somebody that you don't play as the main person.

• 2:08:40Speaker 02

  And you fight him at the end?

• 2:08:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, like Mike was such a bad guy, they couldn't even make him the hero you play. He had to be the ultimate villain of the game.

• 2:08:49Speaker 02

  It made sense.

• 2:08:49Speaker 01

  Did you ever feel like your Madden rating was, was off?

• 2:08:52Speaker 02

  No, it was, it was, it was fair. Exactly what it was supposed to be, yeah.

• 2:08:55Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:08:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:57Speaker 00

  No, I gotta look. Because I see sometimes guys get upset about that.

• 2:09:01Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, they do. Yeah. And they, they take it personal because obviously Madden ratings really reflects what you've done in real life.

• 2:09:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:09:10Speaker 02

  Because that's how we base everything off of.

• 2:09:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:09:13Mark Gagnon?

  You don't got to snitch, but you know how there was a little controversy going on in the NBA where like, you know, some people betting on games and doing little things?

• 2:09:22Speaker 02

  I saw some of that stuff.

• 2:09:22Mark Gagnon?

  Did you see any of that ever happen in the NFL?

• 2:09:26Speaker 02

  No, I wouldn't know.

• 2:09:27Mark Gagnon?

  Didn't hear about any? No?

• 2:09:29Speaker 02

  No, like dead ass, no.

• 2:09:31Speaker 00

  It's harder to shave points in the NFL, though.

• 2:09:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's hard to do. There's no way to do that.

• 2:09:36Speaker 00

  In the NBA, it's very.

• 2:09:38Speaker 02

  You can't control fucking 11 goddamn people and the coach calling plays.

• 2:09:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, because you can't control how often you're going to touch the ball.

• 2:09:43Speaker 02

  No, you can't.

• 2:09:45Speaker 00

  But like these little prop bets.

• 2:09:46Mark Gagnon?

  But you could take yourself out the game.

• 2:09:48Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 2:09:49Mark Gagnon?

  You know?

• 2:09:50Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 2:09:51Mark Gagnon?

  But it's also under.

• 2:09:52Speaker 00

  They also don't have guaranteed contracts.

• 2:09:54Speaker 02

  One, one, one player can affect an NFL game except the quarterback because he has the ball the most.

• 2:10:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:10:00Speaker 02

  He's the only person.

• 2:10:01Speaker 00

  Are you like conditioned to, like you see some of the way that the like the offensive lineman protect the quarterback? And like the way that they're held to a certain level of like esteem? Is that exist throughout the entire locker room? Like, does everybody understand, hey, our success is contingent on this guy and we got to treat him with respect? And we got to protect him out there? Or is that just the O-line?

• 2:10:24Speaker 02

  That's, you know that, you know, it didn't have to be said, though.

• 2:10:27Speaker 00

  Oh, really?

• 2:10:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:29Speaker 00

  So if anybody's rough on the quarterback, the whole team is like, it's on.

• 2:10:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. You don't test the quarterback, though. In practice, you don't test the quarterback. In games, quarterback get hit, we're just late. You always see a fucking scuffle. It's always funny. I like those scuffles. I used to get in them.

• 2:10:46Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah?

• 2:10:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, he defend Carson?

• 2:10:49Speaker 02

  Fuck, yeah.

• 2:10:52Speaker 00

  Anyway, we got to do your pod, man. So we got to wrap this, man. We got to do the, the late run.

• 2:10:57Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:10:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. Okay, we got to wrap this up. But dude, thank you so much for being here, man. We appreciate you, dude.

• 2:11:02Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 2:11:02Speaker 00

  Make sure you check out Ocho and everything, man.

• 2:11:05Speaker 02

  We talk about best, best show.

• 2:11:07Speaker 00

  Mm.

• 2:11:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, bitch. Where's my camera?

• 2:11:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. All right, here.

• 2:11:12Speaker 02

  All up?

• 2:11:12Speaker 00

  Right here.

• 2:11:13Speaker 02

  Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, I got one for you before we leave.

• 2:11:18Speaker 00

  Go.

• 2:11:20Speaker 02

  What did the avocado say to the nachos?

• 2:11:26Speaker 02

  I keep that guac on me.

• 2:11:31Speaker 00

  The best part of this is how Shannon always tries to guess. The funniest part. It's, it's the best, dude. It's like Shannon, what did this thing say to this thing? He's like, mm, all right, let me think.

• 2:11:44Speaker 02

  And it's always way off.

• 2:11:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's not even close.

• 2:11:46Speaker 02

  Way off.

• 2:11:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:11:48Mark Gagnon?

  Taco Bowl, no.

• 2:11:50Speaker 00

  Ocho Seco, everybody.