‘Halloween II’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan don’t know what death is after rewatching the 1981 return of Michael Myers in ‘Halloween II,’ starring Jamie Lee Curtis and Donald Pleasence. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Ronak Nair, Chia Hao Tat, and Eduardo Ocampo A Mountain of Movies® on Paramount+. Stream now! A House of Dynamite, on Netflix October 24th. A State Farm agent can help you choose the coverage you need. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.® Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:30Bill Simmons?

  The Rewatchables is brought to by The Ringer Podcast Network. You can find The Watch with CR, Chris Ryan himself. Hell Satan. You can find Higher Learning.

• 1:40Chris Ryan?

  For Halloween, man!

• 1:41Speaker 00

  Oh, what?

• 1:42Bill Simmons?

  Are you Sam Hay in this right now?

• 1:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I'm Sam Hay.

• 1:45Speaker 00

  Got you, okay, cool, because that, I'm from Louisiana.

• 1:49Bill Simmons?

  Higher Learning?

• 1:50Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah.

• 1:51Speaker 05

  Ringer Tailgate.

• 1:53Bill Simmons?

  Ringer Tailgate.

• 1:53Speaker 05

  You can't remember the name of the podcast.

• 1:54Bill Simmons?

  Saturday Nights and Midnight Boys. I just didn't know what order you wanted me to go into.

• 1:57Speaker 05

  Wednesday and Saturday for Ringer Tailgate. A lot of stuff to talk about Ringer Tailgate.

• 2:01Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, yeah. You lost your LSU coach. We're all gonna talk about that.

• 2:04Speaker 05

  I'm a fan of the pod.

• 2:05Bill Simmons?

  This is the threesome that convened for Halloween four, the return of Michael Myers. You can see him right there.

• 2:10Speaker 05

  When he came back.

• 2:11Bill Simmons?

  We've also done Halloween one. For some reason, we haven't done Halloween two yet. We've done that order. Did this with Rocky two. We still have not done Rocky two. We'd not done Halloween two. We're about to do it. A horror movie that is now a comedy and it's next. This episode of the Rewatchables is presented by Paramount Plus. Around here, we love talking about rewatchable movies almost as much as we love watching them. Paramount Plus has movies, a mountain of them, new movies and also the classics that we keep coming back to. Almost Famous, Gladiator, Top Gun, The Naked Gun. Them all, whether you want to relive your favorite moments or catch the latest blockbusters or dive into some old 90210, there's a mountain of movies to discover on Paramount Plus. Start streaming today.

• 3:11Bill Simmons?

  All right, guys. The early 80s, just a sweet spot for horror movies that are now hilariously funny. This movie is really funny. It's full of inexplicable decisions. What is your relationship with this movie, Sierra?

• 3:26Chris Ryan?

  What's my relationship with this movie? Well, I love the Halloween movies and I think this is the best of the sequels, even though I have a real, real soft spot for Season of the Witch.

• 3:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I know that. That's so weird. I don't like that movie at all.

• 3:41Chris Ryan?

  I also like H2O.

• 3:42Bill Simmons?

  I did too.

• 3:43Chris Ryan?

  Um.

• 3:44Speaker 05

  A little cool, Jay.

• 3:45Chris Ryan?

  This is so cool.

• 3:46Bill Simmons?

  First black guy ever to survive a horror movie.

• 3:48Speaker 05

  Well, that's because he wasn't killed in the horror way. We know what happened to him.

• 3:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, they zagged on him.

• 3:53Speaker 05

  They zagged on him. It was like a mistaken shooting thing. And then they were like, we can't let him die like that. It's a little cool, Jay. So come back up.

• 4:02Chris Ryan?

  I think that this is just really cool because it happens on the same night. Like, it's very rare that you get a sequel that captures the same compressed pressure and tension of the first one. Usually you'd be like five years later, 10 years later, eight years later. This is like, nah, this is, we're right back in it.

• 4:18Bill Simmons?

  Jamie Lee's got a wig on.

• 4:19Chris Ryan?

  It's still Halloween, we're still in Haddonfield, Jamie Lee's got a wig on, Loomis is running around looking for cigarettes. And it goes off. I want to ask you.

• 4:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 4:29Chris Ryan?

  This is our third time around the block with Mike.

• 4:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 4:33Chris Ryan?

  No Jason, no Freddie, no Leatherface. What keeps bringing you back to the shape?

• 4:38Bill Simmons?

  First of all, the goat.

• 4:41Chris Ryan?

  You, you like greatness. You respect greatness.

• 4:44Speaker 05

  You feel like Michael Myers is the goat?

• 4:45Bill Simmons?

  I was gonna do this later, because it's him versus Voorhees in the finals. You would say Freddie?

• 4:51Chris Ryan?

  I, I'd say Freddie is like a, a three seed, yeah.

• 4:54Bill Simmons?

  Okay. But versus Voorhees, Myers, more realistic, original, came first, funnier. Just flat out funnier than Voorhees. I thought he had more of a purpose.

• 5:08Speaker 05

  Right.

• 5:08Bill Simmons?

  I don't really know what Voorhees, it's like, yeah, I drowned in this lake, I'm just gonna kind of protect this campsite, but now I'm gonna be in Manhattan, I'm gonna be at, like Myers is like-

• 5:16Chris Ryan?

  That's like in eight, though, dude.

• 5:18Bill Simmons?

  I know, but Myers is like, Haddonfield's my spot. But my favorite thing about Myers is horny Myers, which we really only get in one and two.

• 5:26Speaker 05

  Right.

• 5:27Bill Simmons?

  I like, he's like, I'm not just gonna kill both people in this hot tub.

• 5:30Speaker 05

  I'm watching a little bit.

• 5:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I'm gonna watch a little, I'm a little bit of a voyeur. I made him try to grab some boob here.

• 5:35Speaker 05

  Oh my god.

• 5:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he did, he went for it. He was, he was an 18-year-old going through some stuff, which I think, I think-

• 5:41Speaker 05

  She's licking on the hand and all of that stuff.

• 5:43Bill Simmons?

  Oh yeah, Myers is like, oh.

• 5:45Chris Ryan?

  Nurse Karen.

• 5:46Speaker 05

  Jesus. Uh, I, I, I'm different in that, am I, am I off? I, I feel like Freddie is the clear guy. I don't know why.

• 5:53Bill Simmons?

  Really?

• 5:54Speaker 05

  I do.

• 5:55Chris Ryan?

  What's the case for Freddie?

• 5:56Speaker 05

  Well, a couple of things.

• 5:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, is he realistic?

• 5:58Speaker 05

  No, Freddie is definitely not realistic. To me, of all of these guys, Freddie has by far the most personality. These guys don't have any personality. Freddie's got personality. Welcome to prime time, bitch.

• 6:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 6:09Speaker 05

  And Freddie is, Freddie's making jokes. Freddie, if you do Kung Fu, Freddie will block that shit with a different discipline. He, you know, Freddie, to me, Freddie has pizzazz and flair. And to be honest with you, he was by far the most terrifying. Because these two guys, obviously they're forces of nature and you can't stop them and all of that stuff. But I just used to be so afraid of Freddie because you had to fall asleep.

• 6:33Chris Ryan?

  Did Freddie exist, though? Did Freddie exist?

• 6:36Bill Simmons?

  Did he exist or was he just implanted in your mind?

• 6:39Chris Ryan?

  He was a serial killer that was like murdered by the town. Wasn't he burned alive by the town?

• 6:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, he burned alive because he was fucking with kids.

• 6:43Bill Simmons?

  But was he a real person, though? When he was killing all these people, was he killing them?

• 6:48Chris Ryan?

  No, he was a figment of their subconscious, right?

• 6:50Speaker 05

  He's a sleep demon.

• 6:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. But that's not, Myers was a real person, at least at the start.

• 6:55Chris Ryan?

  You keep saying that.

• 6:55Bill Simmons?

  What are you talking about?

• 6:58Bill Simmons?

  He, he thought about it for 15 years. Inhumanly patient.

• 7:01Chris Ryan?

  Waiting for some silent alarm to trigger him.

• 7:04Speaker 05

  Freddy Krueger was also a real person who was killed and then made a deal with a sleep demon spirit. And became a manifestation of people's nightmares.

• 7:13Bill Simmons?

  He's in the demon bracket. That's like a whole different bracket.

• 7:14Chris Ryan?

  If what you want is realism, then there's nothing realer than Leatherface. There's nothing realer than fair.

• 7:20Speaker 05

  Understand that also if you're talking about real, I know they dekennized it, but there's the whole curse thing that happened in this guy's.

• 7:26Chris Ryan?

  We did this when we did Return of Michael Myers.

• 7:29Speaker 05

  There's the Thor's trilogy. Obviously a supernatural, a supernatural.

• 7:32Bill Simmons?

  They had to do that for the sequels. Leatherface, out of shape, you kinda, he kinda had to, it had to be a home game for him. He needed you in this house. I don't think he could have gone on location.

• 7:41Chris Ryan?

  You don't think Leatherface could have done it on a cold, rainy night?

• 7:45Bill Simmons?

  I think he needed the crowd. He needed, he needed some help.

• 7:48Chris Ryan?

  He's a dome quarterback.

• 7:48Bill Simmons?

  And needed the chainsaw.

• 7:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, right.

• 7:50Bill Simmons?

  Like, no, what was Leatherface without a chainsaw? Myers was like, he had hypodermic needles. He had kitchen knives. Like, if you're making a ham sandwich at night, he'll just take the knife.

• 8:00Speaker 05

  He's a true killer is what he's given.

• 8:01Chris Ryan?

  We really needed like a hell in the cell with all these guys, maybe, you know? We should have brought him.

• 8:04Bill Simmons?

  All together for like an expendable.

• 8:05Chris Ryan?

  So you're saying Leatherface is like golf outside in the winter.

• 8:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he needs the dome. He needs Ben Johnson.

• 8:13Speaker 05

  Well, Myers, any system.

• 8:15Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 8:15Speaker 05

  Any system Myers is good in.

• 8:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, nobody would have been better as a movie serial killer, just wandering around a town after being shot six times, being like, oh, that girl's on the phone. I think I'll just take her out just for sport.

• 8:28Speaker 05

  But you do real, first of all, that's actually a critique I have of the movie.

• 8:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 8:31Speaker 05

  He, I can make an argument, Freddy don't pass up nobodies. Freddy see you, he kill you, you out.

• 8:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 8:38Speaker 05

  You're done. There are times in this movie where Myers is running from the grind. Myers is walking to the hospital, their kids walking by him and stuff like that.

• 8:48Bill Simmons?

  He doesn't kill kids, though.

• 8:49Speaker 05

  No, I know, but he kills women and then fat guys.

• 8:53Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 8:54Speaker 05

  So like people like.

• 8:54Chris Ryan?

  He kills athletic guys, too.

• 8:56Speaker 05

  Kinda, sometimes maybe if one gets in his way.

• 8:58Bill Simmons?

  Babies off limits for Myers. He had a chance to take out the whole nursery. It was too easy.

• 9:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:05Bill Simmons?

  You know what makes this work? Evil to do that.

• 9:06Chris Ryan?

  Is this is Halloween one A instead of Halloween two. It's basically like, did you like Halloween? What if we supersized it? What if we just kept it going? So many sequels wind up being like, well, now we have to explain this and now we have to do that. And future Halloween movies did that, but this is just like, what if the night just went on and he came back?

• 9:24Bill Simmons?

  Well, and with more murders, it's a supersize.

• 9:27Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 9:27Bill Simmons?

  Cause we're in the slasher era, which from seventy nine to eighty one gives us Friday the thirteenth, Halloween ripoff. Part two, prom night, fun house, when a stranger calls, terror train, he knows you're alone, happy birthday to me in Halloween two.

• 9:41Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 9:41Bill Simmons?

  All in like two and a half years. And it's just, this becomes, you can make these for four hundred K and make twenty million potentially. And, and guess what? I've seen all of them.

• 9:51Chris Ryan?

  They're very reliable.

• 9:52Bill Simmons?

  The one that was the best idea that wasn't executed the best was Terror Train.

• 9:59Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 10:00Bill Simmons?

  Just a really good idea for a horror movie, like you're on a train. You can kind of sneak in out of the cars, you can wander around. I, I still feel like trains would have been a good. Somebody should have figured that out. Why are you staring at me like that?

• 10:12Speaker 05

  I'm not.

• 10:14Bill Simmons?

  Well, what do you think the best location is?

• 10:15Speaker 05

  No, I'm, well, no, I'm, I'm, I'm listening to you. I've never seen a train before. I've never seen it.

• 10:20Bill Simmons?

  It's exactly what you think it is, but, but poorly done.

• 10:23Chris Ryan?

  My favorite.

• 10:24Bill Simmons?

  Prom Night wasn't bad either.

• 10:25Speaker 05

  Prom Night was a good one.

• 10:26Chris Ryan?

  That's also Jamie Lee. Um, Sleepaway Camp, would you consider that slasher?

• 10:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 10:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Okay.

• 10:32Bill Simmons?

  And then eighty-two had even more of them, including one of my all time favorites, Silent Rage, which is unfortunately too obscure to do in the rewatchables.

• 10:38Speaker 05

  I love Halloween, I love Halloween and I, I love, I love Halloween because I came to Michael Myers later. I should also say that Freddy was of my, uh, just in my formative terror.

• 10:52Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 10:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 10:52Speaker 05

  It was Freddy.

• 10:53Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 10:53Speaker 05

  Um, but I came to Michael Myers later and I like Michael Myers.

• 11:00Speaker 05

  Doesn't talk, walks, kills, completely strong.

• 11:04Bill Simmons?

  Couple head tones.

• 11:05Speaker 05

  Like, you know, the whole deal.

• 11:07Chris Ryan?

  Drives.

• 11:08Speaker 05

  Dr- drives relentless.

• 11:10Bill Simmons?

  Knows where the phone lines and the power is in every place he goes.

• 11:13Chris Ryan?

  Knows about Celtic, uh, like, you know, pagan rituals, you know?

• 11:17Bill Simmons?

  We talked about that in the Halloween one pod, like, so you assume he's possessed by some evil spirit that can then give him the answers in his head because he was in a mental institution.

• 11:26Chris Ryan?

  That when you first watched Halloween though.

• 11:28Bill Simmons?

  Right. By Halloween too, it's like.

• 11:30Speaker 05

  Cause he got to keep coming back.

• 11:32Bill Simmons?

  Totally realistic, he could just find where the elementary school is, maybe deface some, some pictures, write Sam Hain on the chalkboard. Then he's off to his next stop. He can follow the Hollywood, Haddonfield Hospital signs. Oh, it's the same, so I'm taking a left here, cool.

• 11:49Speaker 05

  This is my problem, or it was my problem back then with the slasher movie.

• 11:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 11:54Speaker 05

  Is when I would watch horror movies, I would need to feel overwhelmed. Like there's something that I cannot stop, you know?

• 12:01Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 12:02Speaker 05

  And then with, with Michael Myers, you know, I feel like if you can get to the car, he's just gonna walk, you're out. You could blow them up, you could do stuff. That's why it was always the supernatural stuff for me. I mean, you could, if you had like, let's say you had like an RPG.

• 12:18Bill Simmons?

  Yes.

• 12:19Speaker 05

  You fucking over Michael Myers. Like if you have it, right? If you like, if you, but for me, a lot of the horror movies that I watched, particularly during the eighties, they were all supernatural in some way. What you gonna do with Hellraiser?

• 12:31Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 12:32Speaker 05

  You, you, you're fucked. You know, like Freddy, all of that. You gotta get, you gotta go, to beat gods like that, you had to go find some old ancient nun that's like, this is an evil that's been around for eons and, you know, and so you, you, that was the stuff that really scared me. But later on, I came to love the slasher movie.

• 12:48Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 12:50Bill Simmons?

  Can we talk about? Ah, same thing. You are, you're team Freddy, I get it.

• 12:55Speaker 05

  Right.

• 12:56Bill Simmons?

  We haven't done a nightmare movie yet.

• 12:57Chris Ryan?

  We haven't, we haven't done Friday.

• 12:59Speaker 05

  I guess my thing is, what's your issue with Freddy since you're excluding him?

• 13:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, cuz that's the thing is, I can't tell if you're, you're holding on to these and letting them accrue value or whether you're just like, I actually don't wanna do Voorhees.

• 13:10Bill Simmons?

  No, we should do Voorhees. I mean, the Friday the 13th have not aged great, but we should probably do.

• 13:15Chris Ryan?

  I kinda disagree.

• 13:16Bill Simmons?

  One and, which one do you like? I really like two.

• 13:19Chris Ryan?

  I like Final Chapter a lot. That's the one with Corey Feldman.

• 13:22Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that movie's great. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, those two were really good.

• 13:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 13:26Bill Simmons?

  Mm-hmm. I do like the Corey Feldman one. That would have been a great, they, Feldman just should have become Voorhees.

• 13:32Chris Ryan?

  Kristen Glover's in that one?

• 13:33Bill Simmons?

  I guess it was too short.

• 13:33Speaker 05

  Glover, yeah.

• 13:35Bill Simmons?

  And, uh, and the kid from Last American Virgin.

• 13:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 13:37Bill Simmons?

  Lawrence Monison.

• 13:40Bill Simmons?

  Okay, let's talk about worst ideas ever in a sequel for movies that I actually love.

• 13:47Bill Simmons?

  Because I think Myers turning out to be Lori's brother in Halloween 2 is my second least favorite thing for a sequel. I'm gonna give you my top four. Coming in at number four, Rocky losing all of his money in Rocky V, thanks to some bad poly investments. Why the fuck are you letting Polly invest anything?

• 14:07Speaker 05

  Can I ask you?

• 14:07Bill Simmons?

  I know you like Rocky V.

• 14:08Speaker 05

  Stop. It enrages me. It, it, I have an irrational, even during, even as a kid, I was fucking 10 years old or something like that. I was like, you mean to tell me this fucking guy gets his head beat in?

• 14:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 14:22Speaker 05

  For years and years and years.

• 14:24Bill Simmons?

  For no money on Christmas.

• 14:25Speaker 05

  For no money.

• 14:28Speaker 05

  Then he goes back to Philly.

• 14:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 14:31Speaker 05

  Tough living, okay?

• 14:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 14:33Speaker 05

  Tough, tough living.

• 14:33Chris Ryan?

  It gives and it takes.

• 14:34Speaker 05

  And by the way, no one to even give Rocky any real advice because there should have been someone that could have, that should have said, hey Rocky, just to let you know, you don't have to, you're still one of the most famous guys in all of sports. You could go sign autographs. Like you could do commercials.

• 14:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 14:50Speaker 05

  There, there's all kinds of things.

• 14:51Bill Simmons?

  By 2% of the Eagles.

• 14:52Speaker 05

  And there's, and there's, there's a lot of things Rocky could have done, even after Paulie lost all his money. He didn't have to become the trainer for the up and coming heavyweight who didn't respect him. That movie enrages me, even though I like it, I can't believe the decision to take all of his money.

• 15:07Chris Ryan?

  And now we know he could have been in Costa Nostro sponsored poker games. That's where he could have lost his money.

• 15:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 15:11Speaker 05

  Come play games with the Rock.

• 15:13Bill Simmons?

  The Flappy.

• 15:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 15:14Bill Simmons?

  Um, Flappy, that's number four. Number three for me is Godfather 3, the decision to have Michael's daughter fall in love with Sonny's illegitimate son.

• 15:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:25Bill Simmons?

  I can't believe nobody at any point talked copal out of this. Like, wait a second, this is kind of fucked up, man. Sonny and Michael were brothers. Don't do this. Not to mention, don't cast your what? So that's number three.

• 15:38Speaker 05

  Cousin.

• 15:39Bill Simmons?

  Well, it was a first cousin.

• 15:41Speaker 05

  I know, but I'm saying, he's just, hey, you can't, it's your cousin.

• 15:43Bill Simmons?

  So number two for me is, it turns out Michael Myers was Lori's brother and Lori got, uh, pulled away and adopted. I want to go into that in a second. Number one for me, I've texted you both about this, another 48 hours, Keo becoming the Iceman.

• 15:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:58Chris Ryan?

  That's number one.

• 16:00Bill Simmons?

  Number one, it's just, because it changes how you watch.

• 16:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, like who gives a shit? Like, you know what I'm saying? His brain is so.

• 16:08Chris Ryan?

  I know, it changes the first three.

• 16:09Bill Simmons?

  It changes how you watch 48 Hours one because you're watching it going, well, Keo's the Iceman. Why is he helping him? Why is he telling him Reggie called? Like, it's just, it fucks up the first.

• 16:18Chris Ryan?

  It's like, we watch stuff now with such a different perspective.

• 16:22Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 16:23Chris Ryan?

  Where we're like Game of Thrones, like we're going to figure out like what this dream means and whether or not like that means a dragon's going to fly.

• 16:30Bill Simmons?

  Ties into season two, episode three.

• 16:32Chris Ryan?

  It actually does pay off when you have like attention to detail, like the way that Game of Thrones generally had. They were making this shit up as they went along. There are obvious scenes in Halloween two that are like John Carpenter's idea of like, maybe we can make this an anthology. There's stuff that they put in after the fact because they felt like it wasn't testing right, whatever it was. So it's just like when we go back and we're just like, Kehoe can't be the Iceman. It's like, or he could be. They just decided he was.

• 17:01Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 17:01Speaker 05

  In this movie, you get the feeling that there was at some point in time that people went, the people that were making the film that they said, why are we people watching this movie?

• 17:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, what's our hook for this one?

• 17:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, are they watching to continue the story? The first story was so great. This movie is going to take that kinetic energy and bring you right back there. More kills, more thrills. Or is there a deeper movie?

• 17:26Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 17:27Speaker 05

  And a deeper motivation for Michael Myers to be this obsessed that we need to put in a movie for it to make sense to people. And they just decided to go with it.

• 17:36Chris Ryan?

  So when you arrive at that question, you arrive at like, do you think Season of the Witch is good or not? Now, I understand that that movie has detractors. I happen to be a supporter of it. But what it does is it was essentially John Carpenter and Deborah Hill's idea that the overall vibe of Halloween was the star and not Michael Myers. And that the synths, the Dean Cundy cinematography, the like, the just the feeling of it, that's what Halloween is. And Michael Myers is just one character in what could be many stories that are kind of set on that night or around that night. I actually think that's right. And you, you're right. Them being like, well, how can we make the stakes feel higher? She has to be his sister.

• 18:17Chris Ryan?

  And that kind of feels really stapled on, like the flashback sequences from like the sanitarium or whatever that we're seeing in the movie.

• 18:24Bill Simmons?

  So why are they taking her to the sanitarium?

• 18:27Chris Ryan?

  Exactly.

• 18:28Bill Simmons?

  The parents. They said the parents are dead. So the adoptive parents are like, you know, maybe she should have a relationship with her homicidal brother. Let's take her to, uh, to Smith's Grove. And she can just be scared by this. It makes no sense. I thought, I mean, there's, that part makes no sense, but on top of it. I actually think it's, the movie's better and the franchise is better when they're, Myers has no purpose.

• 18:51Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 18:52Bill Simmons?

  He's just a fucking serial killer.

• 18:53Chris Ryan?

  He's a killing machine.

• 18:54Bill Simmons?

  He found, he followed, he was in his little brown station wagon and saw these three girls. In Halloween one, and one of them's like, hey asshole, speed kills. And he's like, that's it. I'm fucking killing these girls.

• 19:06Chris Ryan?

  That's it.

• 19:07Bill Simmons?

  There's nothing about her related.

• 19:11Speaker 05

  But I will say that I guess what happens is with. Michael's increasing resistance to death. Like they tried to kill him everywhere. I just, we'll talk about it later on. But man, if humans don't get rid of that 1982 Hill Street Blues ass gun that's not doing shit.

• 19:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 19:34Speaker 05

  That old ass revolver that Michael just eating those like chiclets.

• 19:40Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 19:40Speaker 05

  Just pop, pop, pop.

• 19:41Bill Simmons?

  It's like little BB guns.

• 19:43Speaker 05

  Yeah. He get hit a couple of times in the head and he laughs. He smiles. Get that shit away from here.

• 19:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 19:49Speaker 05

  But with that, with his increasingly, he just can't be stopped. The question then would become like, why? Is it for the love of the game? After a while, you would just think it, maybe you'll stop. But if it's, there's something deeper, maybe you can hook the audience into believing that this obsession is rooted in something.

• 20:07Chris Ryan?

  So that's why I think that the second one works so well though, because. It's the same night. So you wouldn't be like, we've called the National Garden. You know what I mean? You wouldn't be like, we've got a SEAL team on the way. There's a unstoppable supernatural killer on the loose in suburban Illinois, you know, or.

• 20:26Speaker 05

  But it's still happening.

• 20:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. It's like, it's like we are, have even gotten our hands around this Halloween night is still happening in other pockets of this town. That's the funniest thing when you're watching him walk around the small town and the guy's walking right by with the boombox. And I'm like, how is this not like cops are driving up and down the street on loudspeakers being like, get off the streets. Michael Myers is back.

• 20:49Bill Simmons?

  Well, that was Loomis's terror, terrible advice in the first movie. He's like, you can't.

• 20:53Chris Ryan?

  Keep it quiet.

• 20:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, then everybody will see him, there'll be panic in the streets. It's like, maybe a good thing?

• 20:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 20:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, this guy's a fucking serial killer. Maybe you should get the word out.

• 21:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, Loomis is the Brian Kelly of serial killer stoppers.

• 21:08Speaker 05

  Loomis is literally, he's the, he's the Brian Kelly. Loomis, uh, he has, for some reason, all the respect, but gets nothing right. Just continues to take losses, losses till somebody, you go, could somebody kill Loomis? Everything would be better if Loomis is out of here. Loomis, everything Loomis wants to do, and then he just doesn't, he's not inspiring in any way.

• 21:30Bill Simmons?

  And he's wearing a brown raincoat 24 hours a day.

• 21:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 21:33Bill Simmons?

  Even during the day when it's like 75 in Haddonfield. I don't understand anything about Loomis. Why does he have a gun? He's like a therapist?

• 21:41Chris Ryan?

  He's also died as many times as Michael Myers.

• 21:43Speaker 05

  He has, and he's, he's as obsessed as Myers is. When I was a kid, the thing that scared me the most about this movie, though, was what you're talking about. It was the tone of the movie.

• 21:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 21:54Speaker 05

  It was the fact that I hadn't really seen a horror movie where the guy was just walking around and people didn't realize the type of danger that they were in.

• 22:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 22:05Speaker 05

  That used to bother me, right? Like, people didn't realize that death was lurking right around the corner. He was walking past them to grab one of them at any moment. Like I said, maybe he should have. But that, when I was watching it, just the way that the movie was shot, almost as if it were a documentary, that's what used to bother me about it.

• 22:23Bill Simmons?

  Well, what's the best version of the sequel? Cause to me, as weird as this sounds, it's very similar to Rocky II, where Rocky I's a huge success and at some point they realize.

• 22:34Chris Ryan?

  Gotta do this again.

• 22:35Bill Simmons?

  Gotta do Rocky II. We'll, we'll just continue at the same night and then we'll try to figure out the story as we go along, but basically this time he'll win. But Rocky II starts the same way, where you see the ending of Rocky I. Then we go into the ambulances in Rocky II and they're playing the music, the hospital, he goes to see Creed. But they kinda don't really have an idea for that movie, other than he has to win this time. And in this one, it's, the idea is basically, the night keeps going and he just kills more people. I, if we had been in the room, I don't, I don't think the last part should have been rooted in the hospital. I would have, I actually like when he's just kind of moving around Haddonfield, like what you guys said, where it's, it's scarier just have him in the middle of normal activity.

• 23:18Chris Ryan?

  So are we pitching alternate sequel ideas here, or are you talking?

• 23:21Bill Simmons?

  I'm saying for Halloween two specifically, we ended up in a hospital for the last hour plus of the movie and it just becomes a hospital movie, which I, I, I could, that could be any serial killer movie. Like the scary part is Haddonfield and him wandering around. I think that's been some of the stuff that's worked the best in the other Halloween movies.

• 23:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. I mean, I, I think the hospital at least gives it, it distinguishes it from the first one.

• 23:43Bill Simmons?

  True.

• 23:44Chris Ryan?

  Because if you had the second one and it's just him stalking around suburban.

• 23:48Bill Simmons?

  Would have gone a little less hospital though, maybe 40 minutes to the hospital.

• 23:51Speaker 05

  To me, you had to change something about the movie in order to like exactly make it unique. So the setting of it being kind of enclosed is kind of the different thing here. I think the best version of the sequel is you think Michael's dead, they're transporting him away. They get maybe like two, three hours outside of Haddonfield, right? Or even like an hour to another time.

• 24:15Bill Simmons?

  He pulls the mask off?

• 24:16Speaker 05

  He pulls the mask off, or there, there's a car accident, he flies out, he grabs a scalpel and now he's rampaging around in that town.

• 24:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 24:25Speaker 05

  Which then gives the people in Haddonfield, they're close enough to, for him to start killing. And then from them to come from there to the new town and try to convince people that Michael Myers is going crazy. But it's like Halloween two, one town over.

• 24:39Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah. Halloween two, colon, one town over.

• 24:43Speaker 05

  Colon, one town over. Cause it's still Halloween.

• 24:45Bill Simmons?

  Colon, one town over.

• 24:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, like it's still Halloween and they, these, these people like, they might've heard a little bit, did you hear what's happening in Haddonfield or whatever, whatever? But it starts to happen to them.

• 24:56Bill Simmons?

  Could it, could it just be Cleveland? Halloween two Cleveland?

• 25:00Chris Ryan?

  Let loose, like in a large urban environment.

• 25:02Bill Simmons?

  People coming out of a Cavs game in 1981.

• 25:04Chris Ryan?

  The thing is that unlike Jason, Mike never had away games, you know?

• 25:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, true. Um, well, I think, um, as I said earlier.

• 25:15Bill Simmons?

  The best thing about this movie, all these years later, it's been 1981, so what's that, 44 years? The movie fucking is hilarious now.

• 25:22Chris Ryan?

  It's unbelievable.

• 25:23Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, and we'll go into some of the scenes, but the scene when Ben Tramer gets tragically killed, I can't wait to talk about that. All the stuff in the hospital.

• 25:34Chris Ryan?

  Oh, my god.

• 25:34Bill Simmons?

  I can't wait, so I want to save it for when we get to the rewatchable stuff. Carpenter and Deborah Hill co-wrote the screenplay. Carpenter didn't want to direct, he ended up doing Escape from New York, a 11 movie for us.

• 25:46Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 25:47Bill Simmons?

  Handed the direction over to Rick Rosenthal, and he ended up getting a little involved in filming some stuff.

• 25:54Chris Ryan?

  But he had wanted this to be an anthology series, and he didn't think Michael Myers was like... He was like, you can't build a movie about, around this guy and kill him at the end of every movie, and then he comes back at the next movie.

• 26:07Bill Simmons?

  Oh, little did he know, they ended up doing 12.

• 26:09Speaker 05

  Were we yet in the era of the singular entity slasher movie that comes back for like five movies? Have we quite gotten there yet? Maybe he didn't believe in it because there was no proof.

• 26:22Bill Simmons?

  The guy that doesn't die was not a concept.

• 26:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, Myers and Voorhees, I think, to my knowledge, are like the first ones to be like...

• 26:30Bill Simmons?

  Well, the gimmick for part two of Friday the 13th was the mom was the murderer in part one.

• 26:34Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 26:35Bill Simmons?

  And then part two was like, now Jason, he's come out of the water.

• 26:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that's like the misnomers, you like, you put on Friday the 13th, and you're like, wait a second, this is just like a middle-aged woman with a mask, like, this isn't...

• 26:44Bill Simmons?

  She's the original Karen, a lot of people say.

• 26:46Speaker 05

  She was.

• 26:47Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, took a lot of stuff personally.

• 26:49Speaker 05

  There you go, kids having sex.

• 26:50Bill Simmons?

  Middle-aged crazy, yeah.

• 26:52Speaker 05

  Like, the whole nine, she's like, I don't want, I'm over it.

• 26:54Chris Ryan?

  Jason Voorhees' mom was just telling on people?

• 26:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 26:56Speaker 05

  Keep it down, or you die.

• 26:58Bill Simmons?

  People were taping her on cell phones.

• 27:00Speaker 06

  Do you guys think the villain who can't die, the guy who can't die, is the key to a good horror villain or a bug? Do you enjoy that he can't die, or do you wish they could die?

• 27:10Speaker 05

  It was the key then, now they've changed it.

• 27:12Bill Simmons?

  It's the key to the sequels.

• 27:14Speaker 05

  Right.

• 27:14Speaker 06

  But do you like that as a character quality, that Michael Myers can't die?

• 27:19Speaker 05

  It was important then because the whole movie was oriented around him. Now with the movies, it's normally supernatural stuff. And that can be different every time. What you orient the movie around now are the people that are fighting the ghosts. And so every single time, you can, you can know that they're not, they're essentially Avengers. You can know that they're not going to die and put different.

• 27:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 27:40Speaker 05

  Crazy, but at that point, it wasn't really about that. It was about the guy that wouldn't die. And so you needed.

• 27:46Chris Ryan?

  You know, what's an interesting example right now is Black Phone. Where in the first Black Phone, uh, the Ethan Hawke character is essentially like a Michael or a Freddy, like outcast guy who's like preying on children.

• 27:59Speaker 06

  The Grabber.

• 28:00Chris Ryan?

  And then in the second one, the Grabber becomes supernatural. Like he's existing in people's dreams. He's, he's haunting them.

• 28:06Speaker 06

  Cause it's the Superman complaint, right? It's like, how, how interesting is this if he can't, he, he has no, he can't die.

• 28:12Speaker 05

  This is, but honestly, this is why I was saying earlier. This is why they did the sister thing. Because with Freddy, you start learning new stuff about Freddy every, okay, Freddy's mom is a nun. All right, then Freddy's mom is, Freddy is the bastard son of a thou, of 10,000 maniacs. And so it's all, you, they, they deepen the lore and they have to keep doing that to give you explanations to where, why this thing won't go away. And there's nothing you really can do. You just kill it for a little while and then it's coming back.

• 28:41Bill Simmons?

  Well, let's start with the real explanation. The ending of Halloween one left the door open for one of the most obvious sequel opportunities we've ever had.

• 28:49Speaker 05

  Right.

• 28:50Bill Simmons?

  Right? This guy, this, oh, comes back, kills some people, falls off the balcony. Loomis goes, Loomis looks out, he's not there anymore and he's still out there. So when they, you know, I remember being a little kid. I didn't see Halloween in 78, but I saw the re-release in like, I don't know, 80, when they were setting up Halloween. And it was just like, all right, what, what, what's next? Let's run this back. And I do think they put very little time and thought, like Carpenter basically said, I was drunk when I came up with the sister thing.

• 29:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 29:21Bill Simmons?

  Cause they're just writing a script, they're taking 10 days and thinking, oh, how about, how about he's at a hospital? Oh yeah, let's try that. And then all of a sudden you have the whole script. I don't think this was being, uh, planned out like Pulp Fiction.

• 29:33Chris Ryan?

  Sure. So wait, what's the obvious sequel thing is just like, he gets up and he's just still stalking around, but there's no sister problem?

• 29:40Bill Simmons?

  I don't mind the hospital thing, the unfinished business with Lori.

• 29:43Speaker 05

  Yeah. Um, gotta get her.

• 29:45Bill Simmons?

  But the thing is they have all this. You know, sexual tension in Halloween one that they're pretty, pretty clear about.

• 29:53Speaker 05

  It's all Star Wars thing going on.

• 29:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, and then Halloween two, it's like, yeah, it's his sister and she's like dropping the knife fallically.

• 30:00Speaker 05

  So you think he cares about that?

• 30:02Bill Simmons?

  I think maybe that's part of his thing.

• 30:04Speaker 05

  He likes it.

• 30:05Bill Simmons?

  I think he likes it a little bit, yeah.

• 30:06Speaker 05

  He's into it.

• 30:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 30:07Speaker 05

  Kind of the same thing with Godfather three.

• 30:08Bill Simmons?

  But how would he even know he had a sister is the other thing. He feels it. He's been locked up since he was six.

• 30:13Chris Ryan?

  We don't know how Michael knows what he knows.

• 30:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 30:16Chris Ryan?

  Right?

• 30:16Bill Simmons?

  Right, true.

• 30:18Chris Ryan?

  So he apparently knows how to.

• 30:19Bill Simmons?

  No internet.

• 30:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but he's like an expert with how to use syringes. Like, how did he learn that?

• 30:25Speaker 05

  Is it, in Michael's mind, is he the good guy? In, like, in, in, in Michael's mind, is there something rattling around in there where Michael thinks that he's gotta kill all of these people because they're wrong? Is there a?

• 30:41Chris Ryan?

  But what did they, what did they do wrong?

• 30:42Speaker 05

  Who knows?

• 30:42Chris Ryan?

  Locked him up?

• 30:43Speaker 05

  There's a different reality where Michael is like, there are these bad people and I gotta get them.

• 30:50Speaker 06

  Isn't that always the case with these psychopaths?

• 30:52Chris Ryan?

  That is, not exactly the Rob Zombie take on the character, but it is closer to that. Like, Michael is incredibly traumatized, leading him to becoming this a little.

• 31:01Bill Simmons?

  I don't acknowledge the zombie movies.

• 31:03Chris Ryan?

  Saying it's out there.

• 31:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I don't.

• 31:05Chris Ryan?

  I don't turn a blind eye to art, sorry.

• 31:07Speaker 05

  Thank you very much. They happen.

• 31:09Bill Simmons?

  Two point five million dollar budget made twenty five million. Roger Ebert, two stars.

• 31:15Chris Ryan?

  Uh, Rog.

• 31:16Speaker 05

  Rog.

• 31:16Bill Simmons?

  It's a little sad to witness a fall from greatness and that's what we get in Halloween two.

• 31:20Speaker 06

  How many stars would you guys give it?

• 31:23Bill Simmons?

  I think it's a two and a half.

• 31:25Speaker 05

  I mean, in eight, in eighty eight, when I saw it or now.

• 31:28Speaker 06

  We give Rog so much shit. How many, you give it stars. How many stars would you give it?

• 31:31Bill Simmons?

  Craig, I don't like your attitude.

• 31:33Chris Ryan?

  If I was Roger Ebert's age and I was like.

• 31:36Speaker 06

  Halloween two, two out of four stars.

• 31:37Chris Ryan?

  I gotta grind out Halloween two and then see three more movies. Like, this is exactly what I would give it. He'd be like, this is not as good as Halloween one.

• 31:43Speaker 05

  If, no nostalgia, you're right, but I gotta think about how I first saw it and I was terrified, so.

• 31:49Bill Simmons?

  He said, technically a sequel doesn't attempt to do justice to the original, tries to outdo the other violent Halloween rip offs of the last several years.

• 31:57Chris Ryan?

  That's true.

• 31:57Bill Simmons?

  And he said, it depends, of course, on our old friend, the idiot plot, which requires that everyone in the movie behave at all times like an idiot. That's necessary because if anyone used common sense, the problem would be solved and the movie would be over. Raj, Raj did not like horror movies, though. He didn't like anything without story.

• 32:13Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 32:14Speaker 05

  Well, because the horror movie is essentially an amusement park.

• 32:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 32:18Speaker 05

  Where you're paying your money, especially horror movies like this. Now, I think horror movies have learned and they try to get a little bit more sophisticated, but you're paying money for the thrills. That's what it is. And the story just wraps around that. So for a guy that has to, like C R said, analyze the plot of the movie. It's not the point, Raj. The point is, put two people in a hot tub in a vanilla gumbo and then like, and then killed. That's the point, that's what we came for.

• 32:45Bill Simmons?

  Turn the temperature up and take them out one at a time.

• 32:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:49Bill Simmons?

  Including with the repeated drowning.

• 32:50Chris Ryan?

  The point is, is that this movie is not meant to be viewed at 7 P M. next to like a Merchant Ivory film. It's supposed to be viewed when you're like, we went out.

• 33:00Bill Simmons?

  Six high school kids, go see this, they smoke pot in somebody's van.

• 33:03Chris Ryan?

  Or it's like, we just watched. Or now, when you're like, I just knocked out Halloween one. Look at that, Halloween two's sitting right there on Peacock. Why don't we just like let it roll right into it?

• 33:12Bill Simmons?

  My wife and I watched Halloween two Saturday night and just followed it up with Weapons.

• 33:16Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 33:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Interesting.

• 33:18Bill Simmons?

  It was a, it was a horror night. It was great.

• 33:20Speaker 05

  Your thoughts on Weapons?

• 33:22Bill Simmons?

  It's fine.

• 33:23Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 33:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 33:26Bill Simmons?

  It's fine.

• 33:26Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 33:27Speaker 05

  You don't like that?

• 33:28Chris Ryan?

  I didn't. I don't like his, I don't like his dismissal.

• 33:30Bill Simmons?

  I thought it was like a deranged stranger things. I, I liked it, I liked watching it, I would never want to watch it again.

• 33:35Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 33:36Bill Simmons?

  What are, what were your thoughts?

• 33:38Speaker 05

  It's fine.

• 33:38Chris Ryan?

  Do you think it was a horror magolia rather than a deranged stranger things?

• 33:42Bill Simmons?

  I thought it was really interesting. I enjoyed watching it.

• 33:44Speaker 05

  See, I, I liked it, I liked, I liked Weapons.

• 33:47Chris Ryan?

  It's fine, okay.

• 33:49Chris Ryan?

  We're all friends, we're all friends. It's all good.

• 33:52Speaker 05

  I liked Weapons, you loved Weapons.

• 33:54Bill Simmons?

  I saw it way too late in the hype game, so I was expecting Pulp Fiction crossed with Silence of Lambs. And it's like, it's, it's good.

• 34:02Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 34:03Bill Simmons?

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• 36:14Bill Simmons?

  A House of Dynamite, it's on Netflix, October 24th.

• 36:20Bill Simmons?

  All right, most rewatchable scene.

• 36:22Chris Ryan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 36:23Bill Simmons?

  It rarely works when you run the ending from the previous movie, but you give it slightly different. They gave it like a remix. It's like a, it's like when they would remix 80s songs.

• 36:33Chris Ryan?

  They pitched up the soundtrack, the score, and the first 12 minutes of this movie, you're like, let's fucking go.

• 36:40Bill Simmons?

  It really is. I have three different rewatchable scenes. But he goes down, he feels the blood, then the neighbor comes out and we do this. This is some kind of joke or something. I've been trick or treating to death today. You don't know what death is. And then the music kicks in.

• 36:55Chris Ryan?

  That's actually.

• 36:56Bill Simmons?

  Loomis is cooking.

• 36:57Chris Ryan?

  That is my, okay, motherfucker. Like, are we going for this moment? Yeah.

• 37:02Bill Simmons?

  It's so good. I mean, it's really one of the best starts to, because the opening credits with the pumpkin is good too. And then we go right into that.

• 37:10Bill Simmons?

  It's great. I, I like after the credits, the looking through Loomis's eyes when his, when, or looking through Myers's eyes. When you see Loomis from far away and he sees Sheriff's like, I shot him six times. I shot him six times. He's like, just like, kind of lost his mind. They get in the car and then Myers, we see him steal the kitchen knife. Great horror gimmick.

• 37:33Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 37:34Bill Simmons?

  One of my, this movie has a couple staples, Van. The, I open the door thinking someone's in there. And the door's open behind the guy and then the door closes and now the horror movie guy is behind the door. That one, the, I'm making something. I put the knife here. I walk away. I come back. The knife's gone. Another fucking staple.

• 37:56Chris Ryan?

  It's also awesome that they're, the old couple are home watching Night of the Living Dead.

• 38:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:00Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 38:00Speaker 05

  Yeah. Right. Shout out to George Romero. And then she's cutting, what, she's cutting a big hunk of meat?

• 38:06Chris Ryan?

  It looked like liverwurst or something or maybe, I don't know, ham? I don't know.

• 38:09Speaker 05

  So she's actually doing.

• 38:10Bill Simmons?

  It's a little late.

• 38:10Speaker 05

  But she's a little late for that. Like, put it on.

• 38:12Bill Simmons?

  And a big coke?

• 38:13Speaker 05

  Big, yeah, so.

• 38:14Chris Ryan?

  Were we happier back then? What it was like, who, who, we don't need to think about sleep cycles and whoop scores?

• 38:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, there was no Apple Watch telling her not to make a ham sandwich.

• 38:23Chris Ryan?

  Sandwich at midnight and watching Night of the Living Dead. Were we happier?

• 38:26Speaker 05

  She's, yeah, they're watching a zombie movie, eating something disgusting.

• 38:29Bill Simmons?

  Let's go back.

• 38:30Chris Ryan?

  Let's like fucking take 300% of your recommended daily amount of sodium at midnight.

• 38:35Bill Simmons?

  Well, that's why the guy was in a coma. He's probably already dead.

• 38:38Speaker 05

  He was already, fuck, he had a heart attack. Yeah.

• 38:40Bill Simmons?

  She's, she's making him a ham sandwich, trying to kill him. And then there's the cute.

• 38:43Chris Ryan?

  Robert Kennedy Jr.'s watching this. He's like, god damn it, this is what's wrong with this country?

• 38:49Bill Simmons?

  And then there's the cute neighbor next door gets the phone call. Did you hear what happened?

• 38:53Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 38:54Bill Simmons?

  Guy killed stuff. It's weird. I've heard sirens. Yeah, he's still out there in the loose and she's just fine for 20 seconds before she realizes the door's open. Who, who's just hanging out at home with the door open at 11 at night?

• 39:07Chris Ryan?

  But that's the whole point.

• 39:08Speaker 05

  At any time, hadn't feel.

• 39:09Bill Simmons?

  I get it.

• 39:10Chris Ryan?

  This was a leave your door unlocked community.

• 39:12Speaker 05

  This is why they were able to.

• 39:13Bill Simmons?

  Like at some point, shut the fucking door.

• 39:15Speaker 05

  Well, this is why they were able to be taken. That's, I mean, there are a lot of other towns where there would have been, and I guess there kind of was at one point, like a lynch mob that would have formed.

• 39:24Chris Ryan?

  It does.

• 39:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, I see.

• 39:25Chris Ryan?

  When he's like, when Loomis is like, that's the tribe.

• 39:28Bill Simmons?

  Well, Carpenter filmed this scene because he thought the movie didn't have enough kind of violence in it.

• 39:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 39:34Bill Simmons?

  So they filmed him, Myers killing the cute neighbor, just padding this. It's a stat pattern.

• 39:39Chris Ryan?

  It is. It's, it's like taking a rebound away from the big man.

• 39:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, yeah. He's, he's, he's on a foul shot. He has the Westbrook 2017 strategy. And that leads to.

• 39:51Chris Ryan?

  Thought you were an ally, Bill.

• 39:52Speaker 05

  Shot for no reason. You back on the other side.

• 39:55Bill Simmons?

  That was a terrible MVP.

• 39:56Speaker 05

  Talk about words like that, man.

• 39:58Bill Simmons?

  My favorite scene, not only in this movie, but maybe it's in the running for a favorite horror movie scenes ever. Loomis and the sheriff kill not Michael Myers. Did you see this guy from far away? There's little kids everywhere.

• 40:11Chris Ryan?

  Technically, they don't kill him.

• 40:13Bill Simmons?

  Ah, they kill him.

• 40:14Speaker 05

  You guys, that is the most hilarious scene.

• 40:19Bill Simmons?

  It's so good.

• 40:19Speaker 05

  That is the most hilarious scene. Burned, blown up, hit by a car, shot, the whole thing. By the way, this is some random 17 year old kid. This is, this, this.

• 40:31Bill Simmons?

  And there's other kids.

• 40:32Chris Ryan?

  The unluckiest kid in the whole.

• 40:33Bill Simmons?

  There's other kids in front of him. Loomis is ready to start firing shots.

• 40:36Speaker 05

  This is such a profound tragedy that the movie does not contend with at all.

• 40:43Chris Ryan?

  This would have radicalized the community.

• 40:45Speaker 05

  The entire community.

• 40:46Chris Ryan?

  There would have been ACAB graffiti all over this town.

• 40:49Speaker 05

  This is a random kid that was incinerated, hit by a car, then shot by the police.

• 40:55Chris Ryan?

  Driving 70 miles per hour with no sirens.

• 40:58Speaker 05

  And it's like, and later on, they play it, it barely gives lip service. Hey, this is a kid, my friend had a mask on or whatever. I think it could be like nothing, it just killed.

• 41:08Bill Simmons?

  My friend was in the hit and run accident, burned to death.

• 41:10Speaker 05

  What the hell, bro?

• 41:11Bill Simmons?

  There's so many questions, like why, why, where was the cop coming from? Why was there a white van there just in the middle of the road?

• 41:18Chris Ryan?

  It's the TV, it's the TV production van, isn't it?

• 41:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:21Bill Simmons?

  It hits perfectly and it puts this ball of fire in the air that um, I don't even know how much gas was in the, in the van.

• 41:28Chris Ryan?

  And they just keep it moving.

• 41:30Bill Simmons?

  And Loomis and Bracken is like, hey, somebody called and they're like, ah, you deal with this? And they just leave this fucking burning kid.

• 41:38Speaker 05

  Right.

• 41:39Bill Simmons?

  It's a fucking fucker. Craig, what, what was your take as you watched this?

• 41:42Speaker 06

  It's the most grotesque way to die. They really put their whole effort into it, like it's pretty, he gets hit by a car and like dragged 10 feet into the other car.

• 41:52Chris Ryan?

  Jack knifed into a van and incinerated.

• 41:54Speaker 05

  And then he set on fire, I ran it back like three times. Set on fire, then he burns and by the way, just nothing for it.

• 42:03Chris Ryan?

  And the sad part is, aside from the tragic death of this 17 year old child, is that's exactly the best way you could have tried to kill Michael Myers.

• 42:10Speaker 05

  Right, right.

• 42:11Chris Ryan?

  Is pin him against a van, incinerate him, shoot him, like do all the stuff.

• 42:14Bill Simmons?

  Nobody stays with the car. They just, I don't even know who is left behind.

• 42:18Speaker 06

  He gets a phone call and they're like, Myers is at the hospital and they're like, let's go.

• 42:22Bill Simmons?

  Also, why is this kid dressed like Michael Myers?

• 42:25Chris Ryan?

  Well, in the first, he gets the mask from a gas station, so like the mask is just like out there, right? It's like a, it's for some reason, a staple of the Haddonfield Halloween community.

• 42:36Bill Simmons?

  Ironically, it turns out to be Ben Tramer. And in the first movie, Lori's slutty friend was like, who would you want to go to dance with? She's like, I don't know, Ben Tramer asked her, she's like, Ben Tramer, you like Ben Tramer? So the one kid Lori liked ends up getting gruesomely killed to that, being mistaken by Michael Myers, the guy who's trying to kill her. Lori, bad luck with Ben.

• 42:57Chris Ryan?

  It's kind of funny how there's only like four families in Haddonfield.

• 43:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 43:00Chris Ryan?

  Because like the sheriff, his daughter, he finds his daughter, his body and stuff like that, yeah.

• 43:05Bill Simmons?

  Well, that's my, our next rewatch machine scene. Sheriff sees his dead daughter.

• 43:12Bill Simmons?

  The media has, well, hold on, just work with me. Dana Carvey's in this scene out of nowhere.

• 43:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:19Bill Simmons?

  But no speaking lines, but so it's like, why is Dana Carvey here? There's all this media already in Haddonfield.

• 43:27Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 43:28Bill Simmons?

  Which.

• 43:28Chris Ryan?

  That's from a different version of the movie.

• 43:31Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 43:31Chris Ryan?

  There's a couple of scenes in the movie where you're like, oh, that could have been what they were kind of thinking for Season of the Witch, where it's a little bit more like vignette-y.

• 43:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Um, and then Sheriff Brackett, who does the thing, he sees it's his daughter's dead, and then he turns on Loomis.

• 43:49Speaker 05

  Turns on Loomis, yeah.

• 43:50Bill Simmons?

  You did this. You did this, you did this. He's, I tried, I tried to. He got, he almost. You let him out!

• 43:56Speaker 05

  Loomis completely dismisses him.

• 43:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 43:59Speaker 05

  Loomis basically is like, like, Loomis is basically like, okay, get the fuck out of my face. He's still alive. Let's go. Loomis doesn't even acknowledge his man. His man just saw his daughter. It's a weirdly moving scene in the movie. He like closes her eyes or whatever.

• 44:14Bill Simmons?

  I tried, I tried to tell people. I tried.

• 44:16Speaker 05

  And like, and Loomis just basically, I don't know, that's it. Bye, get the hell out of here. Go home.

• 44:21Bill Simmons?

  So, my favorite thing about this movie, I was gonna do this later, I'll just do it now. Loomis is basically just doing bits from his stand-up comedy show that's not funny to everyone who will listen. Like, if he can get a cop trapped, and it'd be like, it'd be like if Seinfeld.

• 44:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 44:37Bill Simmons?

  If, uh, if you were with Seinfeld and you were just hanging out with him and Seinfeld was like, what's the deal with peanuts? Loomis is just, any opportunity to go, I, I watched him for 15 years. It's the lack of human consciousness. He's got his five things. He just wants to hit over and over again with any live body.

• 44:56Chris Ryan?

  I do like the idea, though, that this guy is now completely spun out. You know, like, over the course of the two films, it's been a day and a night. He's killed a guy who's now back to life.

• 45:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 45:08Chris Ryan?

  You know, like, there, there's the situation.

• 45:10Bill Simmons?

  I shot him six times!

• 45:11Chris Ryan?

  Totally out of control, and he's just like, now I'm spinning out, and I'm just like.

• 45:15Speaker 05

  He keeps trying to, like, convince people he's not crazy.

• 45:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 45:18Speaker 05

  Like, I, this thing is not human. I'm telling you guys, even like, at the end of the movie where he shoots Michael Myers again, and people are getting close to Michael Myers, and he is apoplectic. He's like, stay away from him. He's not dead. He's, and he, everyone he can make his face to, he makes it.

• 45:38Bill Simmons?

  I thought Sheriff Brackett made some good points. He did let him out.

• 45:41Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 45:42Bill Simmons?

  He was, he was in charge of him 15 years.

• 45:44Chris Ryan?

  Did he let him out?

• 45:45Bill Simmons?

  Well, he could have stopped it. Could've told them.

• 45:49Chris Ryan?

  I don't know.

• 45:50Bill Simmons?

  Uh, hot tub murders.

• 45:51Speaker 05

  Love it. Love it.

• 45:53Chris Ryan?

  I have a ton to say about this. I don't know if you want to do it here.

• 45:56Bill Simmons?

  So, she shows up 15 minutes for, late for her shift.

• 45:59Chris Ryan?

  Cause she's been at a Halloween party.

• 46:01Bill Simmons?

  Gets chewed out by her boss.

• 46:02Speaker 05

  I love that scene.

• 46:04Bill Simmons?

  As time, it changes, starts to shift, and then the creepy guy from The Accused, who's, turns out to be one of the rapists in The Accused, seven years later, that guy.

• 46:15Speaker 05

  Leo Rossi.

• 46:16Bill Simmons?

  Leo Rossi.

• 46:17Speaker 05

  That's my that guy.

• 46:18Bill Simmons?

  Um, yeah, he's the clear that guy in this movie. He's like, hey, let's go, basically, let's hook up. Well, meet me down in the physical therapy room. She's like, I don't know. Fine, I'll go down. Next thing we know, she's just doing a full striptease in the thing, and he's in the hot tub, and it's like, you guys are at fucking work. What are you doing?

• 46:37Speaker 05

  They're on, dude, for the, and my, my whole thing is, I'm looking at it, and I'm like, do she want to fuck or not?

• 46:42Chris Ryan?

  Do you guys want to do this now? Should we just fully, fully break it down?

• 46:46Speaker 05

  Because, because it's like, first of all, she, I'm, I'm looking at it in two different ways. Number one, to legitimately have sex in the physical therapy hot tub of your job, you would have to really, really want it. But she's really hesitant. He, it, it goes back.

• 47:05Bill Simmons?

  Also, like, what's the cleanup situation?

• 47:07Chris Ryan?

  There is no cleanup situation, though. It's so unhygienic to be swapping bodily fluids in a hot tub that other people are gonna use for like, repairing their ACL surgery.

• 47:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, unbelievable. Like, they just got their shit, I'm like, I'm looking at, did he clean it? People got in there that just got their shit unbanded, and all kinds of different stuff that's happening in there. But then they want to do it, but then they don't want to do it. She seems drawn to him.

• 47:32Chris Ryan?

  But she's not like, let's have a quickie against, like, this, like, bench over here. She's like, we're gonna get fully nude at work, after you've been smoking a roach in the break room. For some reason, this is a massive hospital that only four people are working at, because apparently Halloween night is like New Year's Eve in Haddonfield.

• 47:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 47:51Chris Ryan?

  And they get, like, this entire wing to themselves, which is basically the maternity ward. So they're nailing each other in a hot tub next to a bunch of newborn babies in a hot tub that apparently has a scalding temperature. Why? Why can you get up to scalding? What therapeutic-

• 48:09Bill Simmons?

  It's a great point.

• 48:09Speaker 05

  It's a good point.

• 48:10Bill Simmons?

  Why would you go to 160 degrees for any reason?

• 48:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, like, would you be like, oh, I just dipped it in for a second?

• 48:15Bill Simmons?

  Hold on, I'm gonna make a turkey in there. Put that to 160.

• 48:20Speaker 05

  Then, like, this guy, if they would have cast that role differently, and that was like a young, toned this is no diss to Leo Rossi.

• 48:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 48:29Bill Simmons?

  No, but he's like creepy.

• 48:30Speaker 05

  He is legitimately-

• 48:32Chris Ryan?

  He hits on like the other nurse while they're in the break room.

• 48:34Bill Simmons?

  He's like a true scumbag. This nurse is like, this is my guy.

• 48:37Speaker 05

  This is my dude, and she can't stop it. And then after they have their little tris, and the tris goes back, when Michael Myers comes back around, and she, he puts his hand on her, she thinks it's the other guy's hand, she starts nibbling and licking his hand.

• 48:51Bill Simmons?

  So that's another nitpick. I feel like you know right away when the serial killer is covered in blood-

• 48:55Chris Ryan?

  That's not Bud's hand.

• 48:56Bill Simmons?

  Probably hasn't showered in a long time. It's probably not the guy.

• 49:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:00Bill Simmons?

  That would be my guess. Um, I want to shout out my wife, who, as the girl's face was repeatedly getting dunked in the scalding water, and she started losing stuff, my wife said, in all seriousness, this is like the peel my friend just had, a facial peel.

• 49:17Bill Simmons?

  I won't say who the friend was.

• 49:19Chris Ryan?

  Is it your witchy friend?

• 49:22Bill Simmons?

  Craig, you love nothing more than an 80s movie when there's just gratuitous nudity for no reason.

• 49:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, this was gratuitous. They did it. I wasn't upset by it, but yeah, this checked all the 80s boxes, this scene.

• 49:34Bill Simmons?

  Well, it even checked in the research boxes. The nurse was, the lady who played the nurse was upset she had to have a nude scene and turned in a whole thing on set. And you could feel her discomfort in the thing, which is, I wish I hadn't read the research.

• 49:47Speaker 06

  What's the character's name? The guy, the creepy guy?

• 49:49Chris Ryan?

  Bud.

• 49:50Speaker 06

  Bud, my counter to your entire point. If, if, if the plan is to have a romantic night and you can't leave the hospital-

• 49:58Chris Ryan?

  It's not the plan, they're at work.

• 49:59Speaker 06

  Well, look, if that's what you want, and there's a hot tub in a room-

• 50:04Speaker 05

  But my thing is, you, you trying to hit it real quick, right? You trying to, you're at work.

• 50:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, just go into a room.

• 50:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:10Bill Simmons?

  You don't need to do the fucking hot tub.

• 50:12Speaker 05

  It's everywhere. Just like, just go that- He made a whole night of it.

• 50:15Speaker 06

  I respect the ingenuity, you know?

• 50:17Speaker 05

  You know, by the way, every time I see an article about the male loneliness epidemic.

• 50:22Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 50:23Speaker 05

  I think about the fact that Craig doesn't like to see titties in nineteen eighty.

• 50:26Chris Ryan?

  No, but you know what?

• 50:27Speaker 06

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 50:28Chris Ryan?

  I think he does, but here's the thing that they do to you.

• 50:30Speaker 05

  Every time, every time.

• 50:31Speaker 06

  To be fair, he does.

• 50:32Chris Ryan?

  No, here's the problem.

• 50:34Speaker 06

  I obviously don't dislike it. I'm just saying it is extremely eighties and I can recognize how unnecessary it is for the movie. I don't hate seeing it.

• 50:41Chris Ryan?

  In the horror movies, what they do is they make you incredibly horny right before they disgust you.

• 50:47Speaker 05

  They incite you.

• 50:48Chris Ryan?

  So they'll be like, oh my God, they're gonna do it. We're gonna get it. And then it's like, oh, this person just got impaled. Or this person just got dunked in a vat of frying scalding water.

• 51:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:02Bill Simmons?

  Myers always, he always shoots his wad and commits the murder before he gets to watch. Like it's too, it's too early. Like he should turn on the hot tub.

• 51:11Chris Ryan?

  Maybe he's like Craig and it disgusts him, you know?

• 51:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, maybe that's what it is.

• 51:14Speaker 05

  He's making a judgment about that.

• 51:15Bill Simmons?

  Maybe he's like Tipper Gore.

• 51:17Speaker 06

  Now I'm at the point where when I watch.

• 51:18Bill Simmons?

  Clean up America.

• 51:19Speaker 06

  Now, when I watch nineties movies, I'm almost disappointed that there's not nudity because I've seen so many. Like when we watch sneakers, that scene with the mistress, I'm like, what are we doing here?

• 51:28Bill Simmons?

  Seen that, yeah.

• 51:30Speaker 06

  You're gonna do it, do it.

• 51:33Speaker 06

  Getting out in a physical therapy hot tub.

• 51:36Bill Simmons?

  I do think this is one of the better horror movie murders of the eighties. The repeated, the fit, when they, the face comes up and there's less skin. I just thought it was, it was probably the best murder of this whole thing. It was the iconic murder of this movie. But we also had a hypodermic, uh, needle double murder.

• 51:54Chris Ryan?

  Yep.

• 51:54Bill Simmons?

  With the, into the side. That was good.

• 51:56Chris Ryan?

  With the alcoholic, uh, doctor who is the only doctor.

• 51:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, what's up with that guy?

• 52:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 52:01Bill Simmons?

  Meyer stabbing Lori, but it's a bunch of pillows and Lori's on the loose. We get a scalpel murder where he lifts that one cute blonde nurse up from the back with the scalpel, but gets her up in the air. I'm gonna say, I don't know how he does that. I don't know if the scalpel's holding on.

• 52:20Bill Simmons?

  You think?

• 52:20Speaker 05

  If the scalpel would have.

• 52:21Bill Simmons?

  Can you lift?

• 52:22Speaker 05

  Physics of it.

• 52:22Bill Simmons?

  Can you lift somebody up eighteen feet with a scalpel that's like, I don't know, this long?

• 52:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I didn't get that either.

• 52:29Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna say like, something weird happens. Laurie Chase, I like when Laurie hides in the car. And then, uh, Loomis in the hospital, when he brings everybody in there, and he, and he says to the one, the one lady like, "You stay with me and shut up."

• 52:46Bill Simmons?

  He's like, "It's Loomis time." Uh, he shoots Myers five more times. So Myers now has eleven bullets. And the guy goes over to make sure he's dead. He's like, "No, get away, get away from her." No!

• 52:59Speaker 05

  Loomis, you guys, Loomis's descent into madness is so awesome.

• 53:05Chris Ryan?

  I mean, it hits its peak when they're in the cop car and it's Marion and Loomis and the marshal.

• 53:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 53:10Chris Ryan?

  And Loomis is like, "I'm taking you hostage, marshal." And he's like, "Yeah, you can't do that." He shoots a gun off by his head. He's like-

• 53:17Bill Simmons?

  And through out the window, yeah.

• 53:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's just like, this guy has completely left, left earth.

• 53:21Bill Simmons?

  Well, we keep going in that scene. Myers gets the two shots in the eyes. Perfect shooting from Laurie.

• 53:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 53:26Bill Simmons?

  I really enjoy Blind Myers trying to just stab people.

• 53:29Chris Ryan?

  Crime blood. Yeah.

• 53:32Bill Simmons?

  Um, and then, uh, Loomis is like,

• 53:36Bill Simmons?

  "How many patients in this hospital? Like, twelve? How many babies?"

• 53:41Chris Ryan?

  It's a full maternity ward.

• 53:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, how many babies? Six. I'm gonna blow up the hospital anyway. Myers has to go. I'll take out these other twenty-five people. Uh, I just gotta, this just has to happen. No, no thought whatsoever. Um, yeah.

• 53:55Chris Ryan?

  It's your most rewatchable, of the ending, yeah.

• 53:57Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for most rewatchable, C R?

• 54:00Bill Simmons?

  Uh, for me, it's Ben Trimmer.

• 54:01Chris Ryan?

  It's Ben. It's just that whole thing.

• 54:02Bill Simmons?

  It's the funniest scene. It just kills me.

• 54:04Speaker 05

  It's so, it's got to be Ben, man. It's so absurd, but so awesome.

• 54:09Bill Simmons?

  What about telling his parents, "Hey, bad news, your son's dead."

• 54:12Chris Ryan?

  Also, every-

• 54:12Bill Simmons?

  "What happened? Well, these guys hit him and then they left, but they were cops."

• 54:16Chris Ryan?

  It's every five years I forget that scene, and so I'll watch it and I'll be like- Wait, what?

• 54:23Speaker 05

  I was waiting. I was, I didn't know if Craig had seen it or not.

• 54:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 54:27Speaker 05

  I was waiting for the, the text into the group chat from Craig.

• 54:33Chris Ryan?

  Being like, holy shit.

• 54:34Speaker 05

  About that scene.

• 54:35Bill Simmons?

  Do you think when they were editing the movie at any point, the director and the editor were like, yeah, was this weird that this kid just dies out of nowhere?

• 54:42Speaker 05

  They went, this is badass. You could tell how much they admired the scene when they made it.

• 54:47Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 54:48Chris Ryan?

  Oh, they were fucking high fiving on the set.

• 54:50Speaker 05

  Going nuts.

• 54:50Chris Ryan?

  They were like, we got him. It was a real set piece, yeah.

• 54:53Bill Simmons?

  Uh, what's the most 1981 thing about this movie? Other than a kid walking downtown with a boombox at 11 o'clock at night?

• 55:02Speaker 05

  I passed a Datsun truck.

• 55:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 55:05Chris Ryan?

  When did?

• 55:05Bill Simmons?

  That's gotta be the winner.

• 55:06Chris Ryan?

  When did nurses start, stop dressing like that?

• 55:09Speaker 05

  Ah, I have it. The little hats that nurses wear.

• 55:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, the hats.

• 55:13Speaker 05

  Little hats.

• 55:14Bill Simmons?

  Should come back?

• 55:15Chris Ryan?

  Well, I just am curious when it stopped.

• 55:18Bill Simmons?

  Probably late 90s. I don't know, somewhere in there.

• 55:21Chris Ryan?

  You think in like 96, they're still walking around?

• 55:23Bill Simmons?

  We used to have nice things. We used to have flight attendants that dressed like that. We used to have nurses.

• 55:27Speaker 05

  Why did you, you don't know when they stopped wearing hats.

• 55:30Bill Simmons?

  He wanted an answer. I just felt like he needed an answer. I don't know the answer.

• 55:35Chris Ryan?

  You said it so authoritatively though.

• 55:37Bill Simmons?

  It's the late 90s.

• 55:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. It's a Clinton thing. Yeah.

• 55:42Bill Simmons?

  Clinton.

• 55:45Chris Ryan?

  These ladies, they work hard. They should have working heels.

• 55:49Speaker 05

  And they stopped wearing hats. The hats are gone.

• 55:53Bill Simmons?

  A couple more. Turning on a transistor radio to get the news?

• 55:56Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 55:57Chris Ryan?

  Walkie talkies?

• 55:58Speaker 05

  Walkie talkies.

• 55:58Bill Simmons?

  Walkie talkies. And then the other one that I think is in the running here. A little kid getting hurt with the Apple razor blade Halloween thing?

• 56:06Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 56:07Bill Simmons?

  Which is the all time urban legend. I don't know if it ever actually happened.

• 56:10Chris Ryan?

  That was like supposed to be a season of the witch thing.

• 56:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, the fear of that in the late 70s, early 80s was a real thing.

• 56:15Chris Ryan?

  But that is actually like, one of my favorite parts of this movie is the fact that intentionally or not, there will be moments where you're like, oh, is this newscaster, the blonde newscaster? Or is this mom and kid, are they gonna be like major parts of the movie? And then they just never come back.

• 56:30Speaker 05

  You know what I wonder? Because there was something that existed. Halloween, which we haven't really. Talked about at least a couple of parts I've done about these movies with you guys. Halloween is completely taking on like a new sort of, it's a very durable holiday.

• 56:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 56:46Speaker 05

  Because it's shifted its focus almost completely towards adults. And you know, dressing up like Velma with no underwear on and all of that stuff. It's like totally changed, right? Um, and one reason why. What? Y'all never seen this.

• 57:03Bill Simmons?

  Velma with no underwear on?

• 57:04Speaker 05

  Y'all need, y'all got different algorithms. Y'all never see these sexy, y'all never see these sexy Velma videos and the girl, oh, it's Halloween. She's Velma. And then all of a sudden she turns around and she starts dancing and you go, oh, this is a different type of advertising. What's that link tree saying?

• 57:19Bill Simmons?

  That hasn't gotten served to me.

• 57:20Speaker 05

  Okay, yeah, so.

• 57:26Bill Simmons?

  I'm doing something wrong.

• 57:27Speaker 05

  Um, but like, but, but part of the reason why Halloween became for adults was because it became like unsafe. There's so many of these urban legends came out about the candy at Halloween, the razor blades, guys going out and trying to get kids and all of that. And I do really feel like this movie and Michael Myers going on a killing spree on Halloween. It was part of kind of, you could get fucked up a little bit.

• 57:55Bill Simmons?

  Did you have in your neighborhood, the alleged house where somebody got fucked with Halloween candy?

• 58:00Chris Ryan?

  There was like, there was one, I think, that had like a rottweiler. So there was like a lot of fear about the like, the dog. And then there were a couple of like, that's old man blank, blank's house and he, you know, don't knock there. Not, I mean, I have no idea. It could have just been.

• 58:14Bill Simmons?

  We had one when I was little in Brookline, the, the, the thing allegedly happened. And I just assumed it happened, but now I wonder if it happened.

• 58:21Chris Ryan?

  What thing?

• 58:22Bill Simmons?

  Where we heard that a kid.

• 58:23Speaker 05

  I know they, they.

• 58:23Bill Simmons?

  A kid ate the razor blade and it was this house and this house did it. And now I have no idea if it actually happened.

• 58:28Speaker 05

  Oh, I thought it was something different. I thought they, they accused that neighbor of giving candy to black kids.

• 58:39Speaker 05

  And the whole neighborhood was like.

• 58:42Bill Simmons?

  Oh my god, dude.

• 58:44Speaker 05

  That guy's crazy. Don't go by his house.

• 58:48Bill Simmons?

  I knew it was gonna be a good one.

• 58:52Bill Simmons?

  Oh, man.

• 58:55Bill Simmons?

  What's age the best? Do you like the dopey Halloween two electronic score?

• 59:02Chris Ryan?

  Not as much as the first.

• 59:02Bill Simmons?

  The reimagining, not as much, not as good as the first one, but I admire the effort.

• 59:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, and the score in three is sick.

• 59:08Speaker 05

  The score in three is good.

• 59:10Bill Simmons?

  Rocky two, the beginning of Rocky two.

• 59:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:15Chris Ryan?

  We're talking way too much about Rocky two.

• 59:19Bill Simmons?

  Well, we just have to do it.

• 59:22Bill Simmons?

  What's age the best? Being in a creepy, small hospital at night after seeing this movie? I don't know if you guys have been in a hospital where you're like, oh, it's like fucking Halloween two in here. It just feels like there's not enough people in the hospital and it's kind of shocking.

• 59:38Chris Ryan?

  Oh, it's totally terrifying. It's a fantastic place to set a horror movie.

• 59:41Bill Simmons?

  It's both the most unrealistic thing about this movie, but it's also kind of realistic because I do think this happens.

• 59:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, hospitals are creepy and if you've been at one, if you've been visiting, and I hope everybody's family and friends are healthy and all of that. But if you've been visiting somebody and you're in a hospital at a certain time of night.

• 59:58Chris Ryan?

  They clear out.

• 59:59Speaker 05

  They clear out, there's nobody there. A lot of times, you know, they're letting you stay there because there's somebody that you love and you look and it's eerie.

• 1:00:08Bill Simmons?

  Cobra got into this too.

• 1:00:10Chris Ryan?

  Cobra?

• 1:00:11Bill Simmons?

  Cobra was sliced alone. When he goes to save Brigitte Nielsen, there's a whole creepy hospital thing. What's age the best? Well, what do you have? I have a couple.

• 1:00:20Chris Ryan?

  The fact that this movie saves the setup for 30 minutes in. So like the setup is just Halloween one is keeps going. This then like with traditional horror movie setup really doesn't start until the paramedics and the nurse are hanging out at the hospital and it's real quiet and the sex scene and all that. So I love the way they flipped that. I mentioned making someone incredibly horny before you discuss them with something repulsively violent, that age the best. And then a lot of the things that are like messy or wrong about this movie, like the newscaster or the kid with the bloody lip kind of give it color and life a little bit to me. So that's, yeah.

• 1:01:00Speaker 05

  So Halloween itself, it's just like I said, it's like a more, it's past. Thanksgiving, it's the second holiday of this season now. But also, the variety of kills. The variety of kills.

• 1:01:14Chris Ryan?

  Hammer, scalpel.

• 1:01:14Speaker 05

  Hammer, scalpel.

• 1:01:16Chris Ryan?

  Scalding water.

• 1:01:16Speaker 05

  All of this stuff.

• 1:01:17Bill Simmons?

  Hypodermic needle.

• 1:01:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:18Speaker 05

  This movie is part of the technology of the guy can't just kill you with an axe every single time. Kill you with a knife every single time. He's gotta do, we have to have different set pieces that are based around how the serial killer kills you to up the thrills. This movie like does that really well.

• 1:01:35Bill Simmons?

  How do you feel about not seeing all the murders? Like, we don't get to see the black nurse get killed. We don't get to see drunk doctor get killed.

• 1:01:42Chris Ryan?

  Black nurse, like, that would have just been too torturous to watch. Cause she's getting her blood drained from her body.

• 1:01:48Speaker 05

  I have thoughts about that, and we'll talk about that a little bit more later.

• 1:01:50Bill Simmons?

  Okay, can't wait.

• 1:01:53Bill Simmons?

  Pleasant hosted SNL on Halloween 1981 to promote Halloween 2.

• 1:01:57Chris Ryan?

  No, he didn't.

• 1:01:58Bill Simmons?

  During the first, like, breakout Eddie Murphy season. And it was the same episode that John Belushi insisted they had this punk band called Fear on. And Fear had complete chaos and it became this legendary SNL moment. And that was all because of Donald Pleasant, who in the oral history book, they're basically like, he was this drunk guy who couldn't remember his lines. That was the Donald Pleasant scouting report. So kudos to him. I like the, I'm telling you, this isn't a man. He just, that's like his, that's his West Coast offense.

• 1:02:29Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:02:29Bill Simmons?

  Anytime he can shift it to trying to convince somebody, we're not talking about a human being here. Loomis will do that.

• 1:02:35Chris Ryan?

  There's nothing behind those eyes.

• 1:02:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Myers following the signs to Haddonfield Hospital is so fucking funny. When he walks past to give it the boombox, he hears the news report. And there's just this giant sign that says Haddonfield Hospital, this way. And Myers is like doing the Myers walk. And then, ha, ha. Myers cuts all the phone lines, kills the main lights, slashes every tire in the parking lot, kills the security guard.

• 1:03:01Chris Ryan?

  Cuts fuel lines out there.

• 1:03:02Bill Simmons?

  The EMT, cuts fuel lines, kills the ER doctor, four nurses. In like 45 minutes? It's like really efficient.

• 1:03:12Chris Ryan?

  Like decimates the medical industry there.

• 1:03:14Bill Simmons?

  Like, just like, just purposeful, goes through those what to do.

• 1:03:19Speaker 05

  Takes out the communication.

• 1:03:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:21Speaker 05

  The transportation, decapitates the intelligentsia of the hospital by taking out the doctor so they couldn't rally around.

• 1:03:27Chris Ryan?

  He's like the Joker.

• 1:03:28Bill Simmons?

  He's the original hacker.

• 1:03:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:31Bill Simmons?

  Any other words they just best?

• 1:03:32Speaker 05

  No, never.

• 1:03:33Chris Ryan?

  I had Mike in the maturity award is actually like one of the creepiest images.

• 1:03:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:38Chris Ryan?

  In the entire series.

• 1:03:39Bill Simmons?

  Where were, I asked, my wife and I were talking about that. Where were the parents when these kids were just asleep?

• 1:03:44Chris Ryan?

  Like at a Halloween party, probably.

• 1:03:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that was just kind of the way.

• 1:03:47Speaker 05

  Or when they use the hot tub?

• 1:03:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, right.

• 1:03:50Speaker 05

  We're gonna get there right after you guys.

• 1:03:52Bill Simmons?

  Big Kahuna burger or best use of food or drink? Probably the apple razor blade?

• 1:03:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:03:56Chris Ryan?

  I had the sandwich getting made, but yeah.

• 1:03:57Bill Simmons?

  Oh, the sandwich is good.

• 1:03:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's good.

• 1:03:59Bill Simmons?

  Would you have for great chagordah?

• 1:04:02Chris Ryan?

  Um, Myers appearing behind Nurse Jill when she finds Doctor Mixter with the needle in his eye?

• 1:04:10Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:10Chris Ryan?

  And like, she's like, Doctor, Doctor. And then Myers is just like steps into the light. Yeah, it's awesome.

• 1:04:15Bill Simmons?

  Always works. Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happyness where best needle drop? Mr. Sandman, I think is the answer there. Best character name?

• 1:04:24Chris Ryan?

  Bud Scarlatti.

• 1:04:25Speaker 05

  Bud Scarlatti.

• 1:04:26Bill Simmons?

  Okay. See, are you got a flex category?

• 1:04:29Chris Ryan?

  I've got a couple things here. I mentioned okay, motherfucker award for when the movie goes up a notch for you don't know what death is. It's really good. The Steven Seagal hard to kill award. Did this movie need a bit better intimacy coordinator? It does sound like Pamela Shuf did not enjoy her experience.

• 1:04:46Bill Simmons?

  Not a big fan.

• 1:04:47Chris Ryan?

  Um, she was told that there were going to be a closed set and there was like 19 dudes standing around watching her. Um, and at one point she was being encouraged to do full frontal and Deborah Hill had to step in and be like, you do not have to do that.

• 1:04:59Bill Simmons?

  Early eighties were rough.

• 1:05:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:00Bill Simmons?

  Rough times.

• 1:05:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:05:04Bill Simmons?

  The butcher's girlfriend award for weak link of the film?

• 1:05:08Chris Ryan?

  I got this. Can I do this real quick?

• 1:05:10Bill Simmons?

  I think we're all gonna have one.

• 1:05:12Chris Ryan?

  Uh, this is also my Luke Wilson.

• 1:05:14Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 1:05:15Chris Ryan?

  I just think Lori's a zero in this movie.

• 1:05:16Speaker 05

  It's clearly Lori.

• 1:05:18Chris Ryan?

  Um, and we talked about this a bit when we did four, but I just think it's not only is it the over mythologizing Michael and Lori's relationship, which I don't like, but just incapacitating Jamie Lee Curtis for the entire movie and having her essentially in a fugue state.

• 1:05:33Bill Simmons?

  A terrible, terrible choice.

• 1:05:35Chris Ryan?

  It's kind of like use her or don't have her. Use her or have her taken to a different hospital.

• 1:05:39Bill Simmons?

  Myers has more personality than Lori in this movie and he can't speak.

• 1:05:42Speaker 05

  Totally friger in the entire movie and then. This is why Halloween two, one town over.

• 1:05:50Chris Ryan?

  You're absolutely right about that.

• 1:05:52Speaker 05

  Because if you're not going to like, give her anything to do, why have her in the movie as a living, breathing sort of.

• 1:06:00Bill Simmons?

  The move is they should have killed her forty minutes in.

• 1:06:03Chris Ryan?

  Well, that would have been fucking insane.

• 1:06:05Bill Simmons?

  Then he should have moved on and tried to get more people.

• 1:06:08Chris Ryan?

  But it's like if they had like, taken her like, oh, we can't, we can't use Haddonfield Memorial. We need a better hospital and they have to take her to like Joliet or other fuck they take her. I have no idea, but if he's rampaging around Haddonfield looking for her, but she's not there. And then maybe at the end of the movie, she comes back and does something. I don't know, but yeah, like I just think.

• 1:06:27Bill Simmons?

  She's in like the last two scenes.

• 1:06:28Chris Ryan?

  Having a bad reaction to the.

• 1:06:30Bill Simmons?

  It's like, it would be like if you paid sixty million dollars for A.J. Brown and Devonta Smith.

• 1:06:36Chris Ryan?

  All right, man. What the fuck? You know?

• 1:06:38Bill Simmons?

  No, honestly, it would be like that.

• 1:06:40Speaker 05

  They're winning.

• 1:06:41Bill Simmons?

  That is true. Do you have a weak link?

• 1:06:44Speaker 05

  Who's that?

• 1:06:44Bill Simmons?

  Same one?

• 1:06:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, it's, it's clearly.

• 1:06:46Bill Simmons?

  I have a different weak link because I'm so used to how bad they use Lori in this movie. Dick Warlock plays Myers in this movie, which I can't believe that's a real, too short. He's too shift, uh, too stiff. He's too robotic. The mask doesn't really fit his head. At some points, the mask, it just, because they're using the mask from the first movie. And he plays Myers, like Myers has CTE from falling off the balcony. He's just kind of like, like he's like a zombie.

• 1:07:16Speaker 05

  He has been shot many times.

• 1:07:17Bill Simmons?

  Shot many, and maybe that was his thinking, but I just, I like the Myers in one is just so much more athletic.

• 1:07:24Chris Ryan?

  Do you think Dick Warlock was going up to Rosenthal and being like, I have a new take on this character?

• 1:07:28Bill Simmons?

  I think he was. I really do. I think he's like, I think this guy, so I dove into the Halloween community and was reading. I had no idea there's a Halloween movies Reddit and people argue about the movies and stuff, but.

• 1:07:41Chris Ryan?

  Did you get involved?

• 1:07:43Bill Simmons?

  I, I didn't. I did think about it for a second. I had, I had some Halloween takes I wanted to get off.

• 1:07:50Chris Ryan?

  Bill being a Reddit power user, but only for Halloween.

• 1:07:53Bill Simmons?

  Just for Halloween movies, that's it. Well, what was interesting, there's a whole Dick Warlock contingent.

• 1:07:58Chris Ryan?

  Oh.

• 1:07:59Bill Simmons?

  Where they're like, Dick on Mark Myers, Myers should have been more of a zombie. Um, this is, he'd been shot this time, so his body was still in shock. Like, people are really putting a thought into this.

• 1:08:10Speaker 05

  Dick had a real.

• 1:08:11Bill Simmons?

  He had an angle.

• 1:08:12Speaker 05

  Angle of looking at the kid.

• 1:08:13Bill Simmons?

  For sure.

• 1:08:14Chris Ryan?

  You think he ever considered Richard Warlock?

• 1:08:16Speaker 05

  Dick Warlock is.

• 1:08:17Bill Simmons?

  Or Rich Warlock.

• 1:08:18Chris Ryan?

  Dick Warlock, he was like.

• 1:08:19Bill Simmons?

  We don't have Dick's anymore.

• 1:08:20Chris Ryan?

  Early eighties.

• 1:08:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, early eighties, we still had Dick's.

• 1:08:22Chris Ryan?

  Is an all time name.

• 1:08:26Bill Simmons?

  What's age the worst? Jamie Lee's wig is number one for me. So she had to film another movie and had shorter hair for it. I think it might even been Trading Places. And you could just see the wig, especially now that the screens are nicer. What do you have, CR?

• 1:08:43Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I think, aside from all the stuff about the nurse and the paramedic having sex in the PT hot tub, the facial, the acting, the directing and the facial expression of the marshal when Marion Chambers shows up and Donald Pleasence, his character does not, Loomis does not recognize his assistant. He's like, oh, I didn't recognize you. It's like, that was two days ago that you probably saw her.

• 1:09:08Bill Simmons?

  It was the day before.

• 1:09:09Chris Ryan?

  But when she's just like.

• 1:09:10Bill Simmons?

  In a car for three hours.

• 1:09:11Chris Ryan?

  Doctor Loomis, we've unsealed, the governor has unsealed a file. It turns out Laurie Strode is Michael Myers' uh, sister. And the cop driving the car is just like, straight staring through the windshield, thinking about the Cubs. Like, he has not picked up a single fucking piece of information.

• 1:09:35Chris Ryan?

  He's like Ron Say, you know, like, he's just like naming guys.

• 1:09:39Bill Simmons?

  My god, that's hilarious.

• 1:09:41Speaker 05

  It, it, whenever I watch horror movies, and this one has a lot of it, I'm always taken by the advances in fake blood that have happened over the course of the last thirty or forty years.

• 1:09:52Bill Simmons?

  You could see with Annie, when they show Sheriff Brackett's daughter, like the slit throat, it just looks super fake.

• 1:09:58Speaker 05

  Super fake.

• 1:09:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's a good one. I don't like Myers breaking into the school at all, just to write Samhain and um, stick a knife through the daughter in the family painting. I don't know why, how he fit that into his busy agenda after being shot six times. Just had some questions. The Myers mask? So it's interesting, it is the same mask as the first movie, which I didn't realize. I don't, I always thought they lost the mask, but I think they lost it after this movie. And it said the paint was faded because Deborah Hill kept the mask under her bed for two years. And it collected dust and turned yellow because she was a heavy smoker.

• 1:10:35Chris Ryan?

  I love this.

• 1:10:36Bill Simmons?

  She's sounding like your kind of lady.

• 1:10:37Chris Ryan?

  It's a nicotine stained Michael Myers mask.

• 1:10:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. And then, uh, because Warlock's head was different, so the mask fit differently.

• 1:10:44Speaker 05

  How many sigs do you have to rip?

• 1:10:48Bill Simmons?

  For a mask to actually change color?

• 1:10:51Chris Ryan?

  I mean, I mean, people really were chain smoking back then still.

• 1:10:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. You have any what's age the worst, Craig?

• 1:11:03Bill Simmons?

  Hot tub facials?

• 1:11:05Chris Ryan?

  Do you think she died by drowning or by burning? Or did he try to time it so it was burning at the same time?

• 1:11:09Speaker 05

  I think it was the burns.

• 1:11:11Bill Simmons?

  Good question, Craig. I have a great one, but I think it's more of a nitpick, so I'm gonna save it. The roughlohan, a Rubik, Partridge, overacting word. The old ER doctor? Do you think he played the character intentionally that way? He's just like, I'm just gonna be a drunk guy?

• 1:11:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, why is he?

• 1:11:26Chris Ryan?

  Like, why was he getting drunk at his country club? Was he on shift?

• 1:11:32Bill Simmons?

  It's inexplicable.

• 1:11:33Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:11:33Bill Simmons?

  Was it supposed to be funny? He's like, ah, that is Laura. It's like, what's going on? And why is this guy an ER doctor? He's like 60 years old?

• 1:11:44Chris Ryan?

  I guess the idea is that the town only has one doctor, but like, it's a pretty big hospital for one doctor.

• 1:11:49Bill Simmons?

  Did you have a flex category?

• 1:11:50Speaker 05

  I do. Uh, did this movie need a random sports scene?

• 1:11:54Chris Ryan?

  Hmm. Oh, Ed Norton.

• 1:11:55Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, Ed Norton. We desperately could have had a football scene here.

• 1:11:58Bill Simmons?

  Oh, like homecoming? High school football game?

• 1:12:01Speaker 05

  Homecoming, the football's happening earlier, or at least, you know, it's Halloween night, it's the same thing. Maybe not a football game, but maybe the teams together. Maybe the teams together. It's Halloween night, we fucking gotta play Chaneyville, oh fuck, we played them, we fucking killed them. Yeah, and Michael just goes in and rips them to pieces. Like quarterback watches.

• 1:12:20Bill Simmons?

  Cheerleaders, he would have liked that.

• 1:12:22Speaker 05

  Fucking offensive lineman, try to step up. That's my fucking quarterback. Fuck out of here.

• 1:12:26Chris Ryan?

  Mike could have even suited up as tight end or something.

• 1:12:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, and got there and caught a couple of passes.

• 1:12:30Bill Simmons?

  That's, this is getting really exciting, guys.

• 1:12:32Chris Ryan?

  He's Tyler Warren out there, basically.

• 1:12:34Speaker 05

  He's doing his fucking thing.

• 1:12:35Bill Simmons?

  They can see him be terrible because he goes too slow.

• 1:12:38Speaker 05

  But I mean, but they throw him a screen pass, he bugger. But you could not bring him down.

• 1:12:42Chris Ryan?

  No, that's true.

• 1:12:43Speaker 05

  He's, he's gonna mummy his way all the way to the, so much stuff could have.

• 1:12:46Bill Simmons?

  That's really good. Uh, CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harris support. How to stake a word. So you did yours.

• 1:12:51Chris Ryan?

  Lori Stroud, yeah.

• 1:12:52Bill Simmons?

  Did you have one?

• 1:12:53Speaker 05

  Yes. I believe that Michael Myers was radicalized by the OJ trial.

• 1:12:58Bill Simmons?

  He, that hadn't happened yet?

• 1:13:00Speaker 05

  Hadn't happened yet. Uh, this is just overall, not in this movie. So I looked this up. As I saw this movie, I realized that in the movies that I've watched, Michael Myers didn't kill any black people like on screen. A black lady dies in this, but we see her after.

• 1:13:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:17Speaker 05

  It's like Michael Myers, maybe she, maybe he killed her, maybe he didn't. We don't even know.

• 1:13:21Chris Ryan?

  Oh yeah, somebody else could have killed her.

• 1:13:22Speaker 05

  Michael Myers did not kill a black person on screen until 2002's Halloween. Was it Resurrection?

• 1:13:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that's the one where it's set in like the, the reality show.

• 1:13:33Speaker 05

  Right. I'm thinking to myself, so Michael Myers, this entire time, you could make an argument that.

• 1:13:41Bill Simmons?

  He's been an ally.

• 1:13:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, right? What would have happened in Michael My, in the nineties for Michael Myers to go, you know what? Nah, fuck that. I gotta get my revenge.

• 1:13:51Chris Ryan?

  Oh, so you think?

• 1:13:52Speaker 05

  The OJ trial.

• 1:13:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:54Speaker 05

  I think Michael Myers was in the, uh, he's in the institution. They got Court TV. That, it's playing non-stop.

• 1:14:02Chris Ryan?

  He's watching Leno every night, dancing Edo's.

• 1:14:04Speaker 05

  Dancing Edo's is all getting in the Myers head.

• 1:14:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:07Speaker 05

  And Myers is seeing what he thinks is this crazy injustice and he goes, fuck it. I gotta get my get back. And then by the time 2000, that movie, he killed Tyra Banks in that movie.

• 1:14:17Chris Ryan?

  Do you think that years later, Mike gets re-radicalized by seeing one battle after another? And he's like, Perfidia got a wrong deal?

• 1:14:26Speaker 05

  And he's angry? Right, exactly, right? So I think he's really affected by what happens in pop culture. I think it really gets inside of his head. So when I'm watching this, because I did a whole breakdown. I don't know if you can see this. But Michael Myers then goes crazy with giving love, killing to the community. He starts putting up numbers after this.

• 1:14:48Bill Simmons?

  It's like Daenerys.

• 1:14:49Speaker 05

  Yeah. Be careful. That's one of our guys.

• 1:14:52Bill Simmons?

  I know. So.

• 1:14:54Chris Ryan?

  He gave a lot of love to the community.

• 1:14:56Speaker 05

  He loves the community.

• 1:14:57Bill Simmons?

  Loves the community.

• 1:14:58Speaker 05

  Ah, he loves.

• 1:14:59Chris Ryan?

  He really does.

• 1:15:01Speaker 05

  Community, Robert De Niro is a lover of the community. But in the Rob Zombie films, you got three, the Blumhouse three. So all of this is coming. It doesn't really start until 2002. I was thinking it's a must, it had to be the OJ trial, had to be.

• 1:15:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, even the nurse in this movie.

• 1:15:21Chris Ryan?

  Nurse Elvis.

• 1:15:22Bill Simmons?

  We don't see it.

• 1:15:22Speaker 05

  We don't, that's what I'm saying, we don't see, she's there, but we don't see it. That could have happened, the dude that we thought was Michael Myers that got incinerated, he could have killed her.

• 1:15:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:31Speaker 05

  We can't put that one on mic, is my point.

• 1:15:34Bill Simmons?

  My hottest take, I think the general consensus is the Home Alone parents are the worst movie parents of all time, right?

• 1:15:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:42Bill Simmons?

  Just not only do they lose the kid once, they lose them again in Home Alone two. I actually think it's Laurie Strode's parents. Like, let's really think about this. Laurie's babysitting, the parents are at some sort of Halloween party.

• 1:15:57Chris Ryan?

  Like a keep party or something, yeah.

• 1:15:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, they're basically, we've covered this in Halloween one, they must have been at an Eyes Wide Shut party. But at some point, at some point, they, this becomes the story in Haddonfield, right? I know we didn't have the internet back then, but the serial murder, multiple people were killed, including the sheriff's daughter, and their daughter was stabbed, got away, and is now at the hospital. This fucking girl's at the hospital all night, the parents are never there, even in the morning at the end of the movie, and the ambulance is taking her away, still no parents.

• 1:16:27Chris Ryan?

  Do you think?

• 1:16:27Bill Simmons?

  Where were her fucking parents?

• 1:16:28Chris Ryan?

  You can make the argument that that is, that is played, plays into the idea that Michael's her, that it's not her, their biological daughter, and they're like, oh, see, like, now, now she's a true Myers, she's not our daughter anymore.

• 1:16:41Bill Simmons?

  Oh, you think they like disowned her because Mike tried to kill her?

• 1:16:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:44Bill Simmons?

  Well, where were they?

• 1:16:47Bill Simmons?

  At some point, they have to come back.

• 1:16:48Chris Ryan?

  They get loosely written out of this movie, yeah.

• 1:16:50Bill Simmons?

  I think all the parenting in this movie is terrible, Van.

• 1:16:53Speaker 05

  I agree.

• 1:16:53Bill Simmons?

  Sheriff Brackett, Halloween one, Loomis is like, this guy's a fucking serial killer. We gotta get this guy. He's not human. And he's like, yeah, well, uh, my daughter's doing some babysitting tonight. I'm not gonna give her a heads up to get out of it. None of the parents care about the kids, but I think this was what the seventies were like.

• 1:17:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, taking advantage of the fact that the kids were kinda just let loose.

• 1:17:12Bill Simmons?

  Kids just kinda did their own thing and parents were like, yeah, parents were like, just don't get hit by a car. Was basically the attitude, but I don't know what happened to Lori's parents. We just never saw them. At no point did they go to the hospital and check out, check her out.

• 1:17:24Chris Ryan?

  I think it's actually introducing them. You either have to kill them or they would be arguing the entire premise of the movie.

• 1:17:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Or they were into some fucking kinky shit in that film.

• 1:17:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:35Bill Simmons?

  Like this is like.

• 1:17:36Speaker 05

  They're fucking.

• 1:17:36Bill Simmons?

  An all night ice storm kinda session.

• 1:17:39Chris Ryan?

  Lori's dad on his eighth popper.

• 1:17:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, they're ice storming it up.

• 1:17:41Speaker 05

  The key party, I love that movie.

• 1:17:42Bill Simmons?

  Their key part in it.

• 1:17:43Speaker 05

  So they're like five Quaaludes in.

• 1:17:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:46Speaker 05

  They just, they can't even.

• 1:17:47Bill Simmons?

  It's like Plato's retreat.

• 1:17:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:17:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's like Leo in Wolf of Wall Street.

• 1:17:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, they're just all whatever. They don't even realize they have a daughter at this point.

• 1:17:55Chris Ryan?

  Who's Lori?

• 1:17:56Speaker 05

  Who's, who's that?

• 1:17:58Bill Simmons?

  Uh, I have a special category just for CR.

• 1:18:02Chris Ryan?

  Oh.

• 1:18:02Bill Simmons?

  The Edie Falco and Copland Award for the character that got three times hotter by smoking. Loomis's assistant, the rabbit in red nurse from Halloween one.

• 1:18:11Chris Ryan?

  Marion Chambers?

• 1:18:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, she breaks out the cig, gets the thing from Loomis and just starts smoking a dart. She's like, pretty good.

• 1:18:16Chris Ryan?

  She did.

• 1:18:17Bill Simmons?

  A little Milfie.

• 1:18:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:18Speaker 05

  What's her name?

• 1:18:19Chris Ryan?

  Marion Chambers?

• 1:18:20Speaker 05

  Marion Chambers.

• 1:18:21Bill Simmons?

  She's in the first one.

• 1:18:22Speaker 05

  I thought you said Marilyn Chambers.

• 1:18:23Chris Ryan?

  No, I didn't.

• 1:18:24Speaker 05

  I was about to say, I would have recognized her.

• 1:18:25Bill Simmons?

  She's in the first one. She's in the car driving to go to the sanitarium.

• 1:18:29Chris Ryan?

  She sees that, like, yeah, he tries to.

• 1:18:31Bill Simmons?

  He's like, don't you think you could refer to it as him? And he's like, if you say so.

• 1:18:37Bill Simmons?

  And they just have like the weirdest exchange.

• 1:18:39Chris Ryan?

  Bill's really good at Loomis.

• 1:18:41Speaker 05

  Bill is Loomis.

• 1:18:42Chris Ryan?

  You're a good Loomis.

• 1:18:43Speaker 05

  You're Loomis.

• 1:18:44Chris Ryan?

  It is funny that she's like, why, like, why did the governor unseal a file? But like, there's no cops on, like, on the, on the streets.

• 1:18:54Bill Simmons?

  You know why I'm good at Loomis? Cause I've watched him for forty-eight years. Staring at the screen, staring through the screen. You're looking to Chris's eyes, there's nothing there.

• 1:19:05Speaker 06

  I like when he goes, this is their wake.

• 1:19:08Speaker 06

  One of their tribe has been taken.

• 1:19:11Speaker 05

  Great.

• 1:19:12Bill Simmons?

  I talked about my buddy from high school, Jeff Gallo. Like, one of the first things we bonded over was how fucking funny Dr. Loomis was. Like, literally, I think it was the number one thing. We just couldn't get enough of the comedy of him. Uh, speaking of comedy, the Van Lathan Award for Did This Movie Need More Black People? We rarely get to give this out.

• 1:19:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:19:29Bill Simmons?

  Now, the case, you could say yes, because there's only one black character. You could say no. Because we are in Haddonfield, and it seems like white people land. So what's the answer?

• 1:19:40Speaker 05

  So, it's not. But I did, it, it's no. It doesn't need more black people. But I appreciated something about this movie. I wrote this down in this category. Movie's woke. It's a very woke movie.

• 1:19:53Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:19:55Speaker 05

  There's a scene in this movie where a black nurse lectures.

• 1:20:00Chris Ryan?

  A white woman, yeah.

• 1:20:01Speaker 05

  A white woman.

• 1:20:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:02Speaker 05

  On the virtue of being on time.

• 1:20:04Chris Ryan?

  And professionalism.

• 1:20:05Speaker 05

  And professionalism.

• 1:20:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:06Speaker 05

  I saw that, I was like, I see what y'all doing.

• 1:20:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:09Speaker 05

  Black nurse, consummate professional.

• 1:20:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:12Speaker 05

  Whatever, she got killed. I don't think it was Michael Myers, I think it was somebody else.

• 1:20:16Chris Ryan?

  What's up with this? Why don't you think it was Michael Myers?

• 1:20:18Speaker 05

  Because Michael, he's too intentional, I just don't think it was Michael Myers.

• 1:20:22Bill Simmons?

  He was framed.

• 1:20:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think he was framed. I think he was framed, I think he was killing after the OJ trial. But they did that on purpose, to put a message in the movie. Look, we, we care about our jobs, appreciate it.

• 1:20:32Bill Simmons?

  Cast in one ifs, couldn't find any. Best that guy word, Leo Rossi.

• 1:20:35Chris Ryan?

  I got a different one.

• 1:20:36Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 1:20:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:37Chris Ryan?

  Jeffrey Kramer, who's the mortician in this movie, is also Roy Scheider's deputy in Jaws.

• 1:20:43Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:20:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:45Speaker 05

  Great.

• 1:20:45Chris Ryan?

  He's the Deputy Hendrix.

• 1:20:47Bill Simmons?

  Another category we don't get to give out often, best IMDb stat padding. Dana Carvey, just getting to be in the credits, it just feels like a bigger movie.

• 1:20:55Chris Ryan?

  Had you ever seen Nurse Karen, played by Pamela Susan Shoup? She was on The Fall Guy, Mod Squad, BJ and the Bear? No, Simon and Simon?

• 1:21:05Bill Simmons?

  Was there Charlie's Angels in there?

• 1:21:07Chris Ryan?

  No, Wonder Woman, The Incredible Hulk.

• 1:21:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, she definitely bounced around in those roles. There was a lot of, there were the handsome guys who might become evil that rose on Charlie's Angels or Love Boat.

• 1:21:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:18Bill Simmons?

  Then a lot of Pamela Shoup's, just bouncing around those different TV shows.

• 1:21:22Speaker 05

  Was Dana Carvey in this enough to do what they started doing in the mid to late 90s? Was he good enough to do a VHS cover re-editing?

• 1:21:34Bill Simmons?

  No, because he doesn't speak.

• 1:21:35Chris Ryan?

  Like, put Dana Carvey.

• 1:21:37Bill Simmons?

  That was Tom Hanks that time.

• 1:21:38Speaker 05

  Dana Carvey blows up and then it's like Halloween 2 and they got the cast on there.

• 1:21:43Chris Ryan?

  I think he said before on pods, like where he's like, I brought like all my friends to the theater to see this.

• 1:21:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. He claimed he had some lines, I don't know if I believe it. Dionne Waiters award, I think that has to go to Ben Tramer for one of the funniest 45 second cameos about that.

• 1:21:57Speaker 05

  Legitimately a heat check.

• 1:21:59Bill Simmons?

  Recasting couch director city, Tom Hanks as Jimmy?

• 1:22:06Bill Simmons?

  The, the.

• 1:22:06Chris Ryan?

  The Lance Guest part?

• 1:22:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:08Speaker 05

  The, yeah.

• 1:22:09Bill Simmons?

  He had the hair, kinda looked like Tom Hanks.

• 1:22:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:13Bill Simmons?

  Heather Thomas as, as the blonde nurse, just get her in this.

• 1:22:17Speaker 05

  Love her.

• 1:22:18Bill Simmons?

  No? Catherine Bach as, as the Pamela Shoup character?

• 1:22:22Chris Ryan?

  You're, you're hitting up some names I'm not, who's Heather Thomas?

• 1:22:24Bill Simmons?

  Heather Thomas from The Fall Guy?

• 1:22:26Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:22:27Speaker 05

  You know her.

• 1:22:27Bill Simmons?

  Come on.

• 1:22:28Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:22:28Bill Simmons?

  Ben knows.

• 1:22:29Speaker 05

  You know her.

• 1:22:30Chris Ryan?

  Sorry.

• 1:22:30Speaker 05

  Well, there's a, whatever, I'm not even talking about it.

• 1:22:32Bill Simmons?

  That big in Pennsylvania.

• 1:22:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah.

• 1:22:34Chris Ryan?

  That's right, it was a big offense. I didn't get that there.

• 1:22:38Bill Simmons?

  One more break and then Craig's gotta flex. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. There's nothing better than having friends that support you and your passions, or maybe even a wife. Like when I told my wife, we have to go see the new Paul Thomas Anderson movie and we went to a 4:30 Monday screening and I was so passionate about it that I skipped Monday Night Football and just watched it later on, on, on DVR. If you really love something, you need the support system around you, like those friends. State Farm, there to help you along the way. With so many coverage options, it's nice knowing you have support. And finding what fits for you.

• 1:23:19Bill Simmons?

  Go online at statefarm.com or use the award winning app to get help from one of their local agents. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. All right, Craig, what's your flex?

• 1:23:30Speaker 06

  We don't have an unintentional comedy category.

• 1:23:32Chris Ryan?

  Not, not officially.

• 1:23:33Bill Simmons?

  Kind of moved into what's age the best, but you can do it here.

• 1:23:36Speaker 06

  It's just one final unintentional comedy moment in this movie, like basically the last scene, one kind of last lack of attention detail. I just love when the paramedic is bringing Lori out towards the ambulance and she's had an ankle injury the whole day.

• 1:23:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:49Speaker 06

  She like basically has a camp scatamo, she can't walk.

• 1:23:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:53Speaker 06

  And it's, he just gets her out of her wheelchair and has to put her into the back of the ambulance. And there's no like stretcher up and he just goes, big step. And she's got to like take a step.

• 1:24:02Chris Ryan?

  Doesn't she also say, I want to ride up front? And he's like, no, I can't do it.

• 1:24:07Speaker 06

  He makes her get him out of the wheelchair and he goes, big step now.

• 1:24:10Speaker 05

  She's got to put all the weight on it.

• 1:24:13Speaker 06

  It's so good.

• 1:24:16Bill Simmons?

  There's apparently an alternate ending when she's in the ambulance with Jimmy that they cut.

• 1:24:21Chris Ryan?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:24:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. You don't know if Jimmy died or not.

• 1:24:24Chris Ryan?

  What was Jimmy's injury? Broken ribs, collapsed lung?

• 1:24:27Bill Simmons?

  Fell in and he got.

• 1:24:28Speaker 05

  Fell back.

• 1:24:29Bill Simmons?

  Fell back.

• 1:24:29Chris Ryan?

  Concussion or something.

• 1:24:30Speaker 05

  Concussion, like fracture of the skull or something.

• 1:24:33Bill Simmons?

  He had to go in the blue tent.

• 1:24:34Chris Ryan?

  That's a low key Ruffalo Rubinek moment is his, his like, I'm injured acting. Cause it looks like he's dead.

• 1:24:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:41Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:42Bill Simmons?

  Half fast internet research, um, they, they thought about originally setting the sequel a few years later and having Myers tracking Lori to her new home and in a high rise apartment building. And I gotta say, I'm all in. If she was 1981 LA, Lori's didn't go to college.

• 1:25:01Chris Ryan?

  It's night stalker time.

• 1:25:02Bill Simmons?

  She's like an assistant at like Paramount movie studio or something, living in a high rise.

• 1:25:08Speaker 05

  Trying to think of, no, I'm definitely in on it. Didn't, wasn't there a serial killer movie of some sort that did something like this a little bit later? Where he tracks her down or he tracks.

• 1:25:19Chris Ryan?

  It's basically Maxine, isn't it?

• 1:25:20Speaker 05

  Yeah. Tracks her down where she's living. Yeah, but that, that works though. Once again, it puts it in.

• 1:25:24Bill Simmons?

  Ten in the Midnight had a little of that, the Bronson one.

• 1:25:27Chris Ryan?

  That's, I, I think that's, that would have been really cool.

• 1:25:31Bill Simmons?

  The plot twist, um, of the Lori being Michael's sister Carpenter said.

• 1:25:38Bill Simmons?

  There wasn't much of a story left and we had to come up with something was basically his theory. The Morningside Hospital is where they filmed all the hospital stuff. It's on 8711 South Harvard and it's been torn down and is now a senior living facility. So congratulations to all of them.

• 1:26:02Speaker 06

  Can you imagine a bunch of old people sitting around a speaker listening to rewatchables?

• 1:26:09Speaker 06

  This is amazing.

• 1:26:10Speaker 05

  Congratulations to all of them.

• 1:26:12Speaker 06

  The sports guy.

• 1:26:19Bill Simmons?

  It's called Harvard Yard Senior Apartments.

• 1:26:22Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:26:23Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:26:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, shout out to the staff. Pamela Shoup said-

• 1:26:27Speaker 06

  Don't get your bloodstream drained.

• 1:26:30Bill Simmons?

  Pamela Shoup said the hot tub scene gave her an ear infection. The water, the water was cold and dirty. They're playing it off like the water was boiling, boiling, but it was absolutely freezing. Leo and I were so cold, our teeth were chattering.

• 1:26:42Speaker 06

  Why couldn't they heat it up a little bit?

• 1:26:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:26:44Bill Simmons?

  It's very strange.

• 1:26:47Bill Simmons?

  Carpenter said he had no influence over the direction. Saw Cut said it was, quote, "As scary as Quincy, we had to do some post-production work and added a couple scenes to try to make it more horror movie."

• 1:27:00Speaker 06

  I would not describe this movie as really scary. First Halloween's really scary. This movie's more of like a comedy, obviously, now in retrospect, but it's a hang, yeah.

• 1:27:10Speaker 05

  It was, it was, it scared me when I was a kid, but I watch it now and it's just, it's like just for fun.

• 1:27:15Bill Simmons?

  It's just enjoyable.

• 1:27:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:27:16Bill Simmons?

  TV cut, the ending is Jimmy alive, he's got a bandage head wound. He's in the ambulance with Lori, they hold hands, Lori says, "We made it." I think that's on the 4K.

• 1:27:28Bill Simmons?

  And Carpenter, some of the scenes he reshoot was the boombox boy because he thought the biggest flaw in the cut he saw was Howard Myers' note to go to the hospital.

• 1:27:36Speaker 06

  Right.

• 1:27:36Bill Simmons?

  So he's like, "If I put boombox boy in there..." Ben Myers will know to go to the hospital.

• 1:27:43Bill Simmons?

  Dick Warlock, two roles in this. He, not only does he play the shape, he plays the policeman who accidentally hits Ben Tramer with the patrol car and crashes it.

• 1:27:53Speaker 05

  Damn.

• 1:27:55Bill Simmons?

  He's really on fire. Drove the car himself.

• 1:27:57Chris Ryan?

  Wow, it's like Gosling in Drive.

• 1:28:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, and then there's Pamela Susan Shoup gave a long interview to Fem Fatale Magazine in 2001 about all the nudity stuff with this. And, and how Deborah Hill saved the day. So, there you go. Apex Mountain, Myers?

• 1:28:16Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:28:16Speaker 05

  No, not at all.

• 1:28:17Bill Simmons?

  Jamie Lee, no. Pleasance, no. Really none, nothing for anybody here unless you want to say horror.

• 1:28:23Chris Ryan?

  It would just be mistaken identity car accidents.

• 1:28:25Bill Simmons?

  Is it Slasher era?

• 1:28:26Speaker 05

  No, no, no, no. Is it the Apex Mountain of, no, because that would be Rocky II, of sequels that take place directly after the original?

• 1:28:35Bill Simmons?

  I think that's Rocky II.

• 1:28:36Speaker 05

  That's Rocky II, but they're.

• 1:28:37Bill Simmons?

  How about Slasher era though? Cause Slasher is 79 to 83, basically. Is this the best movie from that era?

• 1:28:45Chris Ryan?

  Is Friday 13th two in that era?

• 1:28:49Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:50Chris Ryan?

  I think that's better than Halloween two.

• 1:28:52Bill Simmons?

  I think Silent Rage is the best one of this era.

• 1:28:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:28:55Bill Simmons?

  But nobody will do that with me.

• 1:28:56Chris Ryan?

  I'll do it with you, but you just.

• 1:28:57Bill Simmons?

  No, nobody cares.

• 1:29:01Bill Simmons?

  How about hospital horror movies?

• 1:29:03Chris Ryan?

  I, I watched, never mind. Hospital horror movies, yeah. Uh, Exorcist III is my favorite hospital horror movie.

• 1:29:10Speaker 05

  It is.

• 1:29:11Bill Simmons?

  Exorcist III, another good one.

• 1:29:12Speaker 05

  Fucking terrifying.

• 1:29:15Chris Ryan?

  Exorcist III?

• 1:29:16Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:29:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:17Speaker 05

  It is, to me, top five, top three, most frightened I've ever been. Terrifying.

• 1:29:23Chris Ryan?

  Greatest jumpscare in movie history.

• 1:29:24Bill Simmons?

  It's pretty slow on a rewatch and then it heats up when we get into the hospital. Cruise or Hanks?

• 1:29:31Chris Ryan?

  You said Hanks for the paramedic, right?

• 1:29:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I was trying, I tried to, tried to test drive Cruise in my head for a second. I think, I don't see it. Scorsese or Spielberg?

• 1:29:42Chris Ryan?

  I don't really know, cause this is like Rosenthal doing Carpenter. So it's so weird to be like, which, which of those two?

• 1:29:48Bill Simmons?

  We almost like, we can't count that one. What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played? How about the Leo Rossi part?

• 1:29:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that would have been pretty creepy.

• 1:29:56Bill Simmons?

  Horny guy in the hot tub. As Freddy from Talents of Mr. Ripley.

• 1:30:02Bill Simmons?

  Hey, baby.

• 1:30:03Speaker 05

  What's the peaking, the Tom? How's the peeping?

• 1:30:07Bill Simmons?

  Picking nits. There's some time stuff with this, so when Halloween one, what time is it when all the murders are going down?

• 1:30:13Chris Ryan?

  Late afternoon into the night. It starts in, school's still in.

• 1:30:17Bill Simmons?

  They drive to the houses.

• 1:30:19Chris Ryan?

  Wait, how, when does Halloween start, or when does Halloween?

• 1:30:21Bill Simmons?

  Halloween one. When they drive to the houses, it's like seven o'clock.

• 1:30:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:26Bill Simmons?

  Right?

• 1:30:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:27Bill Simmons?

  And then we also have, the boyfriend comes over, they have sex, there's murders, like, it's probably like four hours. It feels like it's already like a-

• 1:30:35Chris Ryan?

  I mean, call it-

• 1:30:36Bill Simmons?

  Ten thirty?

• 1:30:37Chris Ryan?

  I think, let's, let's call it like seven to ten.

• 1:30:39Speaker 05

  Seven to ten.

• 1:30:40Bill Simmons?

  Okay. So let's say ten, let's go generous, say ten.

• 1:30:45Bill Simmons?

  Murders happen. Pe- police shows up. Now where it's ten thirty, probably eleven range, why is downtown Haddonfield still so hopping?

• 1:30:54Chris Ryan?

  Well-

• 1:30:55Speaker 05

  It's Halloween night.

• 1:30:55Chris Ryan?

  It's Halloween night, we're going to parties.

• 1:30:56Bill Simmons?

  It's eleven o'clock. We already established on Halloween one, nobody's still awake when she's yelling and running around the street, nobody's there.

• 1:31:02Speaker 05

  The kids are out there.

• 1:31:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, those are all young people walking around downtown Haddon- They're all going to Halloween parties.

• 1:31:07Speaker 05

  Assistant living facility, it's the children, the kids are still-

• 1:31:09Bill Simmons?

  I'm saying downtown's pretty hopping at eleven o'clock.

• 1:31:11Chris Ryan?

  Karen's shift, I bet, is midnight to eight.

• 1:31:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:31:14Chris Ryan?

  And Karen's like, I'm gonna be late for my shift.

• 1:31:16Bill Simmons?

  So how long are we at the hospital? Basically all night?

• 1:31:19Speaker 05

  What are you talking about?

• 1:31:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, cause in the morning, it's dawn when they, when they leave the hospital, right?

• 1:31:23Bill Simmons?

  Dawn when they leave that, so that's over the course of six hours?

• 1:31:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. And she actually does say, Karen's like, it takes me five minutes to drive you home, five minutes to drive back to the hospital. So everything in Haddonfield's five minutes away.

• 1:31:35Speaker 05

  Right, and once again, when you, the people you see out there are still the whippersnappers out there, who-

• 1:31:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:40Speaker 05

  If you've been around Halloween, they're gonna be out all night.

• 1:31:42Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:31:43Bill Simmons?

  Does Myers have to eat? Or go to the bathroom at any point during this stretch? Does Myers go to the bathroom?

• 1:31:50Speaker 05

  Obsession is his food. He pisses out fear.

• 1:31:54Bill Simmons?

  Does he just go to the bathroom in his, in his gas station outfit? Or does he go to bathroom like an animal?

• 1:32:00Chris Ryan?

  You think he's just constantly shitting and pissing himself?

• 1:32:02Speaker 05

  He could be, I think he's, he's probably pissing the-

• 1:32:05Chris Ryan?

  I mean, does he, does he eat any food? He's the shape.

• 1:32:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's like a not a human thing. You're not human.

• 1:32:11Bill Simmons?

  In Halloween one, he eats that they find the dead dog and he's like, man wouldn't do that. And he's like, he got hungry. Loomis says that. It's like insinuating he ate the dog.

• 1:32:21Chris Ryan?

  I thought the implication was like, he was hungry to kill.

• 1:32:23Speaker 05

  Oh, so then, wait a minute. So then if he ate the dog, then at some point he'd have to take crap.

• 1:32:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but it's still the same.

• 1:32:30Bill Simmons?

  Maybe he doesn't eat.

• 1:32:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, still saying that. Maybe he doesn't.

• 1:32:32Bill Simmons?

  Um, no cops at the hospital guarding Lori.

• 1:32:35Chris Ryan?

  Do you think it would have been funny if Michael had been like, I'm taking the butcher knife and then I'm taking the sandwich?

• 1:32:40Speaker 05

  I need some, some energy.

• 1:32:42Bill Simmons?

  I'm hungry. Lifts the mask up. No cops at the hospital guarding Lori, not anybody. Just gonna drop her off.

• 1:32:48Chris Ryan?

  They're all out on the street looking for Michael.

• 1:32:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Okay. Um, here's a good nitpick. They're checking out the burned body. This is probably within an hour of the accident.

• 1:33:01Bill Simmons?

  There's that still smoke coming off that body and doesn't the body stink? It's like a burning corpse. They, we see in normal movies, they put like the thing underneath the noses, right? They put the like, the smell so bad thing.

• 1:33:15Chris Ryan?

  Silence of the Lambs, they do that.

• 1:33:17Bill Simmons?

  They're just hanging out with this dead burned body.

• 1:33:19Speaker 05

  Checking his teeth.

• 1:33:21Bill Simmons?

  You guys aren't with me on this?

• 1:33:22Speaker 05

  Michael is 21. They're talking about the ages.

• 1:33:25Bill Simmons?

  There are no fillings. It's like this thing. You'd be like, ah, Jesus.

• 1:33:31Bill Simmons?

  The hot nurse in a million years.

• 1:33:33Speaker 05

  It's a 17 year old kid that got burned. Oh, I'm sorry. I apologize.

• 1:33:37Bill Simmons?

  The hot nurse in a million years is not with that guy.

• 1:33:39Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:33:39Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:33:40Chris Ryan?

  She's with a guy who like, who do you think she's with in that town? Nurse Karen.

• 1:33:45Bill Simmons?

  Probably the drunk doctor. Probably took a couple rounds.

• 1:33:47Speaker 05

  What about the good looking cop guy?

• 1:33:50Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:33:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Strong draw guy.

• 1:33:53Chris Ryan?

  Maybe there's a guy who works at like a used bookstore and she's just like, I really like him, but he needs to put his career together, you know?

• 1:33:59Speaker 05

  One thing I will say about these, uh.

• 1:34:05Chris Ryan?

  It's like Noah Baumbach's out.

• 1:34:10Speaker 05

  It was a slow burn, but that was good. One thing I will say about these slasher movies is the assholes get late.

• 1:34:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:18Speaker 05

  In all of these slasher movies, it's like, shut up, Rick. And then two scenes later, you fucking Rick.

• 1:34:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:25Speaker 05

  Like, the assholes.

• 1:34:26Chris Ryan?

  Kevin Bacon in Friday the 13th.

• 1:34:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:34:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:30Bill Simmons?

  That guy, the sleazy guy, he had a, he basically said to Lance's guest character Jimmy, like, don't get involved with Lori. You, there's one rule, you can't get involved with the patients.

• 1:34:40Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:34:41Bill Simmons?

  And then proceeds to go down to the hot tub room and fuck a nurse. That rule's fine. That guy's an idiot.

• 1:34:47Chris Ryan?

  He says nurses, that's one thing.

• 1:34:50Bill Simmons?

  And then, uh, the hospital's obviously too dead for the night shift, but Rosenthal said he based it on an experience that he had with his wife. When the hospital they were at was so deserted at night, they thought it was creepy and he just kind of filed that away.

• 1:35:03Speaker 05

  That's not what they do.

• 1:35:05Bill Simmons?

  The other murder nitpick I had other than lifting somebody in the back with a scalpel up in the air, which I'm still not buying. Wouldn't Myers have burned his hands in the scalding hot hot tub?

• 1:35:14Speaker 05

  What's going on here?

• 1:35:15Bill Simmons?

  It's ripping her face off.

• 1:35:18Speaker 05

  But you're, you're.

• 1:35:20Bill Simmons?

  Can Myers not get burned?

• 1:35:22Speaker 05

  You can.

• 1:35:22Chris Ryan?

  Myers was shot six times.

• 1:35:24Bill Simmons?

  I'm just saying.

• 1:35:25Speaker 05

  Like, you continue to like.

• 1:35:27Bill Simmons?

  Skin can, but his hands are gonna be fine after that?

• 1:35:29Chris Ryan?

  But you're really focused on like what things smell like and feel like. And it's like, we're talking about Michael Myers.

• 1:35:35Speaker 05

  He, he was shot. How many times has he been, he was shot over the.

• 1:35:38Chris Ryan?

  He was shot like 15 times.

• 1:35:40Speaker 05

  15 or 20 times. And he, he was shot in the head.

• 1:35:42Chris Ryan?

  He's a human.

• 1:35:43Speaker 05

  In the head, close range.

• 1:35:45Bill Simmons?

  Okay, fine.

• 1:35:46Chris Ryan?

  He can bleed, though.

• 1:35:47Speaker 05

  He can bleed.

• 1:35:48Chris Ryan?

  So he can't get burned, but he can bleed.

• 1:35:49Speaker 05

  I, I don't think that, my, my question is, I don't think that the burning,

• 1:35:53Chris Ryan?

  His skin.

• 1:35:53Speaker 05

  That the burning is going to affect him.

• 1:35:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:55Speaker 05

  I don't think Michael Myers is gonna go, ooh. Like, ow.

• 1:36:00Bill Simmons?

  That look funny though, because my blood.

• 1:36:02Chris Ryan?

  Why is his temperature so high?

• 1:36:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, ew, like, you know?

• 1:36:05Bill Simmons?

  Uh, she shoots, Loomis gives Lori a Colt Trooper MK3. And Lori shoots Michael twice in the eyes from close range with it. And apparently in reality, if you shot somebody from that close with that gun, their head would just blow out from the back.

• 1:36:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:36:22Bill Simmons?

  This was like a BB gun.

• 1:36:23Speaker 05

  Fucking done.

• 1:36:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:24Speaker 05

  It's over.

• 1:36:26Bill Simmons?

  Any other nitpicks?

• 1:36:27Chris Ryan?

  Uh, not, nothing that we haven't talked about already.

• 1:36:30Bill Simmons?

  Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV all black cast.

• 1:36:32Speaker 05

  They've done them all.

• 1:36:33Bill Simmons?

  Sequel. I mean, yeah, they've literally done everything. What's the all black cast version of Halloween Resurrection?

• 1:36:39Chris Ryan?

  It's not all black, is it?

• 1:36:40Bill Simmons?

  Well, mostly black.

• 1:36:41Speaker 05

  They have, yeah, I guess. Well, they haven't done them all.

• 1:36:44Bill Simmons?

  That movie's bad.

• 1:36:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:36:46Bill Simmons?

  Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Mad Dog Russo, Doris Burke, Buffalo Bill, Sam Jackson, now Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley in The Firm? This movie could have used Sam, honestly.

• 1:37:01Bill Simmons?

  Sam as either the guy driving the car when Loomis is like, we have to turn around. He would have been good. Uh, Sam, why are you smiling?

• 1:37:10Speaker 05

  I'm waiting to hear it. Let's hear it.

• 1:37:11Bill Simmons?

  Sam, Sam, who was the guy who checked out the fat sheriff guy? Who checks out the basement?

• 1:37:19Chris Ryan?

  It's the security guard, Mr. Garrett.

• 1:37:21Bill Simmons?

  No, I was thinking Collinsworth for this, though.

• 1:37:23Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:37:25Bill Simmons?

  Oh, my, I'm so excited. Laurie and Michael are reunited. This is just like, everything. Who would have seen it coming? They'd be siblings. You knew they would get back together to that, Mike. It's just so great. They have such a great thing.

• 1:37:38Chris Ryan?

  I had, uh, I'm surprised you left this on the table. I had Byron Mayo.

• 1:37:41Bill Simmons?

  Oh, let's hear it.

• 1:37:42Chris Ryan?

  Byron Mayo is Bud. He's like, Karen, come on in. The water's warm.

• 1:37:54Bill Simmons?

  Don't worry, it doesn't get scalding in this physical therapy. In a burn-off fluids that come out of us.

• 1:38:02Speaker 05

  You don't think Sam kinda worse is Loomis, too?

• 1:38:06Bill Simmons?

  Sam would have been an amazing Loomis. Holy shit.

• 1:38:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:38:10Speaker 05

  That motherfucker ain't human.

• 1:38:13Bill Simmons?

  His eyes, motherfucker! There's nothing there!

• 1:38:19Bill Simmons?

  I watched it for 15 fucking years! Just want to ask her who gets it. The score? I don't know. Who?

• 1:38:26Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 1:38:26Bill Simmons?

  Not a lot of Oscar-worthy stuff.

• 1:38:28Speaker 05

  Score, question mark, but like, what?

• 1:38:30Bill Simmons?

  Tough one. Um, all right, probably in-answerable questions.

• 1:38:35Bill Simmons?

  Did Sheriff Brackett get divorced? I'll start there. The wife's blaming him immediately.

• 1:38:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, cuz he has.

• 1:38:41Bill Simmons?

  You fucking knew. You were with this guy all day. Didn't you know there was a serial killer? You let our daughter babysit, you motherfucker.

• 1:38:46Speaker 05

  You worthless piece of shit.

• 1:38:47Bill Simmons?

  Fuck you.

• 1:38:48Speaker 05

  You protect everybody in this town. You can't protect your own fucking family. Get out of here.

• 1:38:53Bill Simmons?

  Did you have one?

• 1:38:55Chris Ryan?

  The cop who kills the kid?

• 1:38:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:57Chris Ryan?

  Suspension? Without pay? Are they like, we're kind of shorthanded. We're gonna need you to just come back to work tomorrow.

• 1:39:04Bill Simmons?

  You're gonna kind of pretend that to have. I had, did Ben Trimmer's parents sue the city of Haddonfield?

• 1:39:08Speaker 05

  Is there a march in Haddonfield?

• 1:39:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:09Chris Ryan?

  Well, that's the other thing is like, for a second, if you're that cop, first of all, I didn't know, did the cop, the cop didn't die in that, uh, in the crash?

• 1:39:16Speaker 05

  No, he got out of the car.

• 1:39:18Chris Ryan?

  So do you think, for one second, he's like, I fucking did it. I killed Michael Myers.

• 1:39:26Bill Simmons?

  Bev always took that.

• 1:39:27Chris Ryan?

  They're gonna name a fucking holiday after me here.

• 1:39:30Bill Simmons?

  Took out the starting pitcher on the Haddonfield baseball team.

• 1:39:34Bill Simmons?

  When Lori's parents finally did get ahold of her, how do you think that convo went?

• 1:39:40Speaker 05

  Like, you never told me that Michael Myers was my brother type shit.

• 1:39:42Chris Ryan?

  That you're my adopted parents.

• 1:39:43Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. And where have you guys been?

• 1:39:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:45Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:39:46Bill Simmons?

  I've been transferred to a second hospital. I've been stabbed. I just watched nine people. All my friends are dead.

• 1:39:52Speaker 05

  The fuck, and by the way, just to let you know, all of this just happened. And then, when I was getting into the ambulance, the guy fucking made me take a step up on my shit as fuck.

• 1:40:00Bill Simmons?

  I re-broke my ankle.

• 1:40:01Speaker 05

  I re-broke my ankle.

• 1:40:02Chris Ryan?

  I'm gonna be like Jason Tatum when he tries to come back at Christmas.

• 1:40:08Chris Ryan?

  You look me off.

• 1:40:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:40:10Bill Simmons?

  I didn't like that.

• 1:40:12Bill Simmons?

  It sounds like it'll be 0-7 on Saturday night.

• 1:40:16Bill Simmons?

  What would have been the funniest Dana Carvey use? Like, could Dana Carvey have added some comedy?

• 1:40:22Chris Ryan?

  Well, we could have had church lady doing like, public access TV and being like, this is like, Michael Myers has come because of Satan.

• 1:40:29Bill Simmons?

  Or he just starts doing a couple of imitations?

• 1:40:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:33Bill Simmons?

  Like, he, cuz he did a great Johnny Carson. I just feel like they had Dana Carvey right there. They should have. He's on SNL five years later.

• 1:40:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:41Bill Simmons?

  Could have had him got some comedy off. What piece of memorabilia would you?

• 1:40:44Speaker 06

  Can I ask an unanswerable question?

• 1:40:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:46Speaker 06

  Since when do all the hot teens work at a hospital?

• 1:40:49Chris Ryan?

  They're not teens, they're like in their late twenties, right?

• 1:40:52Bill Simmons?

  Early twenties?

• 1:40:52Speaker 06

  None of those were high schoolers?

• 1:40:53Speaker 05

  I don't think so.

• 1:40:54Speaker 06

  No. Oh, they were all older?

• 1:40:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, they're like young adults.

• 1:40:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, they were hanging out.

• 1:40:57Speaker 05

  You know what just happened to you? What happened to you is the thing that happens looking back at these movies now where you can't really fucking tell how old somebody is.

• 1:41:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, because like everybody back then just seemed older.

• 1:41:06Bill Simmons?

  Everybody back then looks twenty seven.

• 1:41:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, because there's not much space between.

• 1:41:10Speaker 06

  Regardless, though, it just seemed like it was like a lot of like cool, young, hip, hot people working at a hospital.

• 1:41:16Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 1:41:16Speaker 06

  In this little town. Like, that was the cool job to have. It was like spooky breakfast club up in there.

• 1:41:22Chris Ryan?

  All of my unanswerable questions are, uh, Bill Simmons' theory of how would Michael know how to drive? That's just like, how would he know what Sam Hain is? How would he know how needles work? How would he know?

• 1:41:32Bill Simmons?

  It's the evil thing in his brain that just, he hears voices that guide him. Piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? The mask would clearly be number one. I think that's like, I don't know how much the mask from these first two movies would actually be worth if they had it. But I think it's like, probably like five or six million dollars when you see like the Hollywood props.

• 1:41:51Chris Ryan?

  Like this nicotine stained mask.

• 1:41:53Bill Simmons?

  The original mask from the first two movies, yeah, I think it would be one of the biggest collector.

• 1:41:56Chris Ryan?

  That's been baptized in Deborah Hill's marble.

• 1:41:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think it'd be one of the biggest movie collector items you can have. The fucking volleyball from Cast Away went for like seven hundred thousand dollars.

• 1:42:05Chris Ryan?

  If you had it, would you have it out for people to try on?

• 1:42:08Bill Simmons?

  No, that's in a safe.

• 1:42:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, you can't. It's too expensive. It's one of the great things you could own, I think.

• 1:42:17Bill Simmons?

  Like, look at the fucking, it's the mask, it's the mask.

• 1:42:22Chris Ryan?

  One of the great things.

• 1:42:24Bill Simmons?

  Deborah smoked all over this mask.

• 1:42:26Chris Ryan?

  You could buy a Rothko, but you're like, nope.

• 1:42:28Speaker 05

  It's one of the great things that you could own.

• 1:42:30Bill Simmons?

  From a movie.

• 1:42:31Chris Ryan?

  I got you, yeah, yes.

• 1:42:32Bill Simmons?

  You don't think it would be in a, like a third round pick in a draft?

• 1:42:36Speaker 05

  Six million dollars is a little OD. I'm trying to look this up. Uh, I, I don't know if it would be six million dollars. Six million dollars is a lot. I mean, but you know that world better than I do.

• 1:42:47Bill Simmons?

  I just, this whole Hollywood prop world exploded.

• 1:42:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:50Bill Simmons?

  When the Shawshank Bible went for like six hundred thousand dollars, that made me think the mask is probably worth. At least five times.

• 1:42:57Chris Ryan?

  At least two mil.

• 1:42:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. This started, it's the mask that started fifty years of horror movies, basically.

• 1:43:03Chris Ryan?

  We should have, yeah.

• 1:43:04Speaker 05

  I, I, I get it. It's cool. I bet that we would look it up. Okay. It says right here, Michael Myers dot net. He has it on eBay for sale with the asking price. This is from twenty twelve of a cool one million dollars.

• 1:43:18Bill Simmons?

  Oh, the actual mask? I thought the actual mask disappeared.

• 1:43:20Speaker 05

  This is on Michael dash Myers dot net. So I don't know.

• 1:43:24Bill Simmons?

  Don't get a virus.

• 1:43:25Speaker 05

  Yeah. Look at it now.

• 1:43:27Bill Simmons?

  Coach Finstock award, best life lesson.

• 1:43:31Bill Simmons?

  Just find your kids when there's a homicidal maniac on the loose in your neighborhood.

• 1:43:34Chris Ryan?

  Check in.

• 1:43:35Bill Simmons?

  If you're any kind of a parent, just find out where they are and go get them.

• 1:43:39Chris Ryan?

  Have a phone chain.

• 1:43:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:41Bill Simmons?

  Best double feature choice Halloween one?

• 1:43:42Chris Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:43:44Bill Simmons?

  Who won the movie?

• 1:43:47Speaker 05

  Ah, you gotta go with Big Mikey, Mikey Mike, right?

• 1:43:49Chris Ryan?

  Big Myers. I, it's crazy, but I, it's pleasant for me.

• 1:43:53Bill Simmons?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:43:54Chris Ryan?

  For as ridiculous as he is. He is like the kind of like, the character who goes on an arc and, and is in the most scenes and is kind of dominating the movie.

• 1:44:04Bill Simmons?

  I love how committed he is to the bit.

• 1:44:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:07Bill Simmons?

  Could be like in that car ride, assuming that they never turn around, they're just driving back.

• 1:44:11Chris Ryan?

  It's crazy that he made like five of these.

• 1:44:13Speaker 05

  He kept coming back.

• 1:44:16Chris Ryan?

  Has a stroke at the end, is back, blows up, comes back.

• 1:44:20Speaker 05

  He kind of was Michael Myers.

• 1:44:22Bill Simmons?

  Well, they say he survived the fire.

• 1:44:24Chris Ryan?

  And he has like a little bit of scar tissue and four.

• 1:44:26Bill Simmons?

  We talked about that Halloween four. Tough to imagine anyone survive the fire. I like that Lori also knows what's going on when they're turning on the gas. She starts doing it too.

• 1:44:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:36Bill Simmons?

  I would have been like, what the fuck are you doing?

• 1:44:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:39Bill Simmons?

  Why are you doing the gas? Anyway, Craig, what do you got?

• 1:44:42Speaker 06

  These are, these are definitely my types of horror films. I don't love really, really scary movies, but this is that perfect sweet spot. I like these because they just feel like the holidays. They feel like the fall. I think the town is like charming and warm. You just kind of want to be there.

• 1:44:57Chris Ryan?

  It's it's great.

• 1:44:58Speaker 06

  I just like the way it looks and feels. It's 90 minutes. The score is fantastic. Um, the unintentional comedy, it's great. I was thinking, you know, since the Halloween movies have been going on for so long. Are there a lot of other horror films set around Halloween? Or does this franchise kind of have Halloween?

• 1:45:14Bill Simmons?

  Nobody's fuck with it.

• 1:45:16Speaker 06

  I wish there were more movies.

• 1:45:17Bill Simmons?

  It's like Saturday Night Live. Nobody will do another nighttime sketch show on the weekend.

• 1:45:20Speaker 06

  That's so weird. How many Christmas movies are there? Like, I wish there were more movies. Movies set on Halloween?

• 1:45:24Speaker 05

  They do movies set around Halloween time, but not really like horror movies.

• 1:45:28Chris Ryan?

  The VHS anthology that just came out, because VHS is like a short films in one anthology every year. That just is a Halloween one this year. It's set on Halloween night.

• 1:45:39Speaker 05

  I'm telling you, Halloween became different. It became like, it started to become like a fun holiday. They had to reclaim it because you gotta sell that candy and make people feel safe about it. Now it's an adult thing and whatever, but the movies that they would make about Halloween would be like Disney Channel movies.

• 1:45:53Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:45:54Speaker 05

  Spook Town or Halloween Town, whatever the fuck they got going.

• 1:45:56Bill Simmons?

  Well, the difference with Halloween in LA versus other cities is it's way more celebrated out here by adults. Like with the decoration of the houses.

• 1:46:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:05Bill Simmons?

  I just don't, I, it was one of the things that struck me when I moved out here, like how much time and care and thought people put into celebrating Halloween with decorations.

• 1:46:14Speaker 05

  I want to ask you guys about that because being from the Bible Belt.

• 1:46:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:19Speaker 05

  There was a celebration, there was, we celebrated Halloween, but you were never going to see, you can go to New Orleans maybe, but you were never gonna see the type of Halloween celebration in Baton Rouge that you would see here, ever. It's just not gonna happen.

• 1:46:30Speaker 06

  Was Halloween a big deal in college when you guys were in college?

• 1:46:33Chris Ryan?

  No, see, it switched for me where, you know, when I was a little kid, everybody was just going as like Luke Skywalker or Batman or whatever. And then there was like a period of time, basically like when I feel like haunted house experiences really started popping off again.

• 1:46:49Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:49Chris Ryan?

  And it would be like, oh, we can go to this thing and it's like barely, barely kind of overseen by the law. Like it might get kind of weird in there and stuff and like, that's kind of when I got keyed back into it was when, you know, they have out here the haunted. Hey ride and stuff like that.

• 1:47:04Speaker 05

  That is a good point.

• 1:47:05Chris Ryan?

  Halloween terror, horror nights.

• 1:47:07Bill Simmons?

  It was a big thing in Massachusetts cuz of Salem.

• 1:47:09Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 1:47:10Bill Simmons?

  Salem was always like you would take the ride out. It was super creepy there, the witches.

• 1:47:15Speaker 05

  That is actually true. In Baton Rouge, they did have like this just ridiculously scary, scary haunted house. With, it's called like the 13th Gate or something like that.

• 1:47:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:27Speaker 05

  Scared, scared the shit out of you. And then there was also a cornfield maze, like a legitimate cornfield maze. That was off there. I think off Nicholson somewhere, but there was like a terribly scary horror, like haunted house. Like the Karn Evil 13th Gate type of thing. They did have that. People would go.

• 1:47:42Chris Ryan?

  Did I ever tell you the best haunted house I ever went to was in like Hudson Valley, New York?

• 1:47:47Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 1:47:47Chris Ryan?

  And you're up there, it's night. You go through a regular haunted house and you're kind of like, this is cool. Like I had no idea this was coming. So you go through this haunted house. You're like, that's, that was pretty good. You know, we're out here in the country. This was pretty fun. You get to the end of the haunted house. And an attendant there is like, get on the bus, get on the bus. And so you like, like your whole crew that you've been with gets on like a school bus. And over the school bus radio as this guy is driving you out into like cornfields. The radio is talking about how there's been a chemical leak and there's been a zombie outbreak. And he drives you out to like the far side of a cornfield and you have to get through the cornfield while being chased by zombies.

• 1:48:23Speaker 05

  No way. Panic attack.

• 1:48:25Chris Ryan?

  Really awesome.

• 1:48:26Speaker 05

  I'm, I'm gonna like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna run for a little, I'm gonna run for a little bit, then I'm gonna sit down in the middle of the cornfield. I'm gonna be like, I'm out.

• 1:48:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:35Speaker 05

  It's, there's no more fun.

• 1:48:36Chris Ryan?

  Safe word.

• 1:48:37Speaker 05

  Fucking bothering me.

• 1:48:39Chris Ryan?

  Did they have a bunch of actors playing the zombies chasing you?

• 1:48:41Bill Simmons?

  That's like pineapple.

• 1:48:42Speaker 05

  And that, and that's what happens. You get to a point to where that I would get so overwhelmed by fear. I'll be like, guys, stop.

• 1:48:49Chris Ryan?

  It was really the surprise though. It was like being put on the.

• 1:48:51Speaker 05

  That's pretty good because that is awesome because you're on there and you're like, is this fucking happening? Like what the fuck's going on?

• 1:48:56Chris Ryan?

  Where are you guys at with escape rooms? If you've ever done one, do you like them? Do you enjoy it?

• 1:48:59Bill Simmons?

  Ben Simmons has been to 30 of them.

• 1:49:02Chris Ryan?

  Really?

• 1:49:02Bill Simmons?

  It's a big O I thing. Yeah. His, him and his friends go.

• 1:49:04Chris Ryan?

  I went to a lot when I first moved to LA. When I was in my like early mid twenties, we went to a lot of escape rooms.

• 1:49:08Bill Simmons?

  It's a huge thing right now.

• 1:49:09Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:49:11Bill Simmons?

  That's it for Halloween 2. Will we ever do another Halloween? H2O, maybe?

• 1:49:15Chris Ryan?

  I would do H2O, yeah. You're just out on Season of the Witch, so yeah, H2O is probably most likely.

• 1:49:22Speaker 05

  H2O, that was the Halloween movie that I saw as like a teenager in the movie theaters with the people.

• 1:49:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, man, that was when hard.

• 1:49:31Bill Simmons?

  Fun era. That was a high school teen movie era. All right. Craig Robic, thank you. Gahal, Ronic, thank you. We'll be back next week with rewatchables with a famous celebrity guest. Can't wait.

• 1:49:53Chris Ryan?

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