Why Did U.S. B-1B Bombers Suddenly Leave the UK? | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

We break down the return of airline hijacking concerns, suspected covert activity around RAF Fairford, drone threats, and a mysterious pneumonic plague death at a Russian research facility. We also dig into the John Chapman/SEAL Team Six controversy, the politics of valor awards, the U. S. withdrawal from Iraq, and how American policy reshaped Iran’s influence across the region. VAER Watches ⬇️ https://www.vaerwatches.com/theteamhouse get a free watch roll with your purchase. 20% for active duty, veteran, leo, & first responders Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Jack's news outlet:⬇️ https://thehighside.substack.com/ Find Jon Hackett here:⬇️ Jon's Twitter: https://x.com/jonathanhackett Jon's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejonathanhackett Jon's books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0C5L659N5?ccs_id=e11a2062-f8d3-498e-bfd7-7d2f3869caf6 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejonathanhackett Jon's article we referenced in the show: https://smallwarsjournal.com/2025/03/04/covert-action-in-irregular-wars/ 00:00 – Start 02:12 – Eyes on Pastrami & Opening Banter 02:38 – The Return of Aircraft Hijackings 03:32 – Insider Threats & Pilot Security 05:11 – Copycat Attacks, Radicalization & AI 07:05 – Airline Security After 9/11 08:12 – Lone Wolf or Sponsored Hijacking Plot? 08:52 – What’s Really Happening Around RAF Fairford? 10:06 – How British Counterintelligence Handles Suspected Cells 11:25 – B-1 Bombers Evacuated From RAF Fairford 12:05 – Why Drone Swarms Are So Hard to Stop 13:28 – What the Fairford Threat Says About NATO 14:17 – Is America About to Heavily Regulate Drones? 16:36 – America’s Drone Startup Boom 17:39 – Why U. S. Drone Innovation Is Falling Behind 20:05 – “Escalate to De-escalate” & the Failure of Policy 22:38 – A Pneumonic Plague Death at a Russian Research Facility 24:01 – Russia’s History of Biological Weapons Programs 25:14 – Novichok, Polonium & State Assassinations 27:19 – AI, Microfluidics & the Future of Biological Warfare 29:55 – The John Chapman / SEAL Team Six Controversy 32:15 – Why Is the Chapman Story Coming Back Now? 33:03 – Sorting Through the Roberts Ridge Claims 34:25 – Does John Chapman Deserve the Medal of Honor? 35:56 – The Legal Implications of Challenging the Award 37:08 – The Optics of Attacking a Fallen Medal of Honor Recipient 40:59 – Who Financed the Upcoming Documentary? 42:29 – The Bigger Problem With GWOT Valor Awards 43:56 – The Politics Behind Medal of Honor Awards 45:26 – Revisiting the U. S. Withdrawal From Iraq 45:46 – What Were U. S. Troops Still Doing in Iraq? 46:50 – From Counter-ISIS to Containing Iran 48:20 – Did the Iraq War Make Iran Stronger? 49:43 – The Untold Intelligence War in Syria 50:16 – Timber Sycamore & the CIA’s Syria Program 52:00 – What the Episode Covered 52:23 – Why Sykes-Picot Still Shapes the Middle East 53:30 – SAS Operations in Northern Ireland Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 1:37Jack Murphy?

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• 1:54Jack Murphy?

  That's pretty good, man. Cause like I go to these like academic events a lot of times and like the, the folks from the UK tell me that when they have them over there, everyone's getting drunk on wine afterwards. You have them here in the United States and like, there's nothing, there's no refreshments. There's no food. There, you know, nothing.

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  Yeah, yeah. Just suffer in silence, basically.

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  Exactly. Yeah. Like live on the street and just think about philosophy.

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  Yeah.

• 2:21Jack Murphy?

  Like, uh, Diogenes living in a clay jar on the side of the, uh, street and the, the Agora.

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• 2:47Jack Murphy?

  Cats is the best. I'll try that place, D, next time I'm down there in Bay Ridge.

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• 2:53Jack Murphy?

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• 3:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:28Jack Murphy?

  Exactly.

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• 3:40Speaker 06

  There's a lot of shit happening. Jack, you go ahead. You're smart.

• 3:45Jack Murphy?

  Well, you put it all on, on me. I don't know what's going on.

• 3:47Speaker 06

  How about this?

• 3:48Jack Murphy?

  This last, this last like week, there was, uh, an attempted aircraft hijacking, uh, what it was fly Dubai, right?

• 3:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, we talked about that.

• 3:57Jack Murphy?

  I mean, that's kind of interesting because we haven't really seen hijackings in a long time. Um, you know, they, they started really in the 1970s. And then we increased airport security, um, and airline security, and that kind of stopped the hostage taking and that, that kind of stupid stuff, um, mitigated a lot of it. And then of course, nine 11 happened where they kind of flipped the script where we're not having political demands anymore. We're just murdering everyone. And obviously, you know, we drastically increased airport security after that. Um, and since then, like, when was the last time you really heard about an aircraft hijacking? Uh, I'm sure there have been some in other parts of the world.

• 4:36Speaker 06

  John's got them listed in his head. He already knows.

• 4:38Speaker 07

  Yeah, there was one in Germany 11 years ago.

• 4:41Jack Murphy?

  That, that was the last one?

• 4:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, but the thing is like, when we look at who is doing these things, look how much security we put at the gate for passengers. You know, multi-billion dollar effort and how little we put on the pilots. And there's a lot of trust in the pilots and I mean, the pilots generally are doing fine. There's actually a very interesting study highlighted in one of Malcolm Gladwell's books. I can't remember which one it was, maybe What the Dogs Are, one of them. About when a pilot will commit suicide with an aircraft, suicide by pilot. There's actually a spike in other suicides by pilot after that because of the way that the media effect has on readers, which includes some people who might be on the ledge and thinking about it. And it's kind of interesting to think about, will there be more hijackings in the near future?

• 5:23Speaker 07

  Because it kind of inspires or kind of gives that little nudge to people who might've been thinking about this or planning about it. And they're like, you know what? Maybe this is the right thing to do. And actually there was a chat GPT log that was just released to the public from someone that, uh, a school shooter that killed two people and themselves. I think it was, I'll misspeak. I think it was FSU. It was one of these universities in the US very recently. And he went through this whole chat GPT conversation, basically saying like, how many people should I kill to get media attention? What kind of weapon should I use? How do I fix my shotgun? So it works properly and all this stuff. And you look at the chat log and chat GPT is basically like pushing him along. And that's a new factor. I wonder, you know, and if a future hijacking, will this also be a part where you don't need this cell of guys?

• 6:07Speaker 07

  Cause you've got the support of artificial intelligence or machine learning to, to serve that role, to kind of push you along and develop you, just like a human might, uh, that we used to have, you know?

• 6:18Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, there, there's definitely social learning that takes place and, uh, uh, learning in a negative context, uh, here as we're talking about. And I, I've never seen any literature to back this up, but I, I, I've suspected for a while, and I think a lot of other people have this observation with veteran suicides as well. That when one guy in the platoon, you know, takes his own life, you see like a spat of it, of people around him. Um, and, and so, yeah, like you said, it's these other folks who, you know, maybe were on the ledge and they were very good at hiding it. And, you know, unfortunately, um, that happens.

• 6:54Jack Murphy?

  But, you know, back in the, the seventies and the eighties, um, we saw some sophisticated aircraft hijackings, um, more sophisticated than this one we just saw the other day. And so when it comes to like the social learning of it, the, the old school, the Palestinian groups, I mean, they like received training in Libya and stuff like that. And some of them were nudged along by the KGB. They're making trips to East Germany and having meetings with the Stasi. I mean, there's all kinds of weird shit that was going on back in those days.

• 7:27Jack Murphy?

  So these groups, they, I guess what I'm getting at is these groups do not all evolve at the same time or the same pace. That, you know, the, we're the ones we're gonna see now are maybe gonna be a little bit more amateurish, um, maybe because the people are relying on the internet and, and AI to tell them, like, you know, hey, AI, how do I do a hijacking? And they're not being trained by, you know, professionals, so to speak, terrorists or intelligence agents.

• 7:55Speaker 07

  And even with the guardrails that AI has, like, you know, maybe, maybe it won't let you ask the question of like, how do I hijack a plane? Instead you could say, how, I'm a pilot. How do I protect myself from hijackings? And then it will give you instructions and you just invert them and then use that to do the exact thing that you weren't allowed to do.

• 8:11Jack Murphy?

  Well, it's also worth pointing out that, uh, flights, uh, that are flying into America, uh, have all kinds of added security measures. Um, I think it's a lot, the, the security is a lot more stringent. And then the actual Israeli airline, LL is like super locked down. Like there, there are very, very few flights, you know, so they're like, as far as like scale goes, um, it's not as hard for them. But I mean, nonetheless, I mean, they take security very seriously. Um, so it's interesting that this one was, it was fly Dubai, I, I believe, and the actual hijack.

• 8:49Speaker 07

  Yeah. Well, there actually was over Saudi Arabian airspace, but when you look at the flight path, it's like on the border. You know, there's that, that's almost flights track in the Middle East is they fly over border lines to kind of minimize risk on either side.

• 9:03Jack Murphy?

  It's interesting.

• 9:07Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, we'll see what comes out of it. I mean, it, it's.

• 9:11Speaker 07

  Well, the thing is the guy survived, so he's gonna have stuff that people will release. Yeah.

• 9:18Speaker 06

  You guys, go ahead, Jack.

• 9:20Jack Murphy?

  Well, the other thing that I was gonna mention as far as things that seem to be percolating behind the scenes and like this aircraft hijacking, I wonder if it didn't have a sponsor. I mean, maybe it was a guy speaking to AI or, you know, a lone wolf radicalizing on the internet, but was there somebody behind it? Was there, was there an entity behind it? And, you know, that I think that also brings us to what's been going on in the UK the last, what, couple of weeks now, starting with that totally bizarre sequence of events of a bunch of dudes getting arrested next to a, it was next to an airfield, right?

• 9:59Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's actually interesting. You can see kind of the, the volatility of the reporting reflected in the comments to our video two weeks ago, when, on the, the Eyes On regular on Sunday, because we were on there, like, it was like less than 24 hours after the arrest happened and we were analyzing it and talking about how this doesn't look like a mistake, this looks like surveillance, this looks nefarious. And then that same night, the, the British media says like, oh, it was just guys siphoning diesel. And the comments on our videos kind of reflected that in real time where people would say like, oh, you guys misspoke, you guys don't know what you're talking about. And suddenly it's like, oh, wow, you guys were right. And then there was a new report that comes out like, oh, you guys are idiots. It's kind of interesting to see how people would like come back to the video to update based on what's going on with the news. But we were right the whole time.

• 10:41Speaker 07

  I mean, this thing is way deeper than even it looked like at that time, you know, especially there was a guy arrested in London that was connected with it as well. There's a supposedly unconnected other set of two guys picked up. Clearly MI5 is watching other cells that have not been publicly released right now. And that's the difference between the UK and US style counterintelligence, where in the US, we kind of tend toward neutralized, where the UK tends toward exploit. These are two different kind of paths you can take.

• 11:09Jack Murphy?

  That's, that's a little bit of the old IRA counterinsurgency method.

• 11:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, exactly. So, so looking at it from our perspective, we're like, hey, hurry up, guys, why aren't you grabbing these dudes? And they're saying, hold on.

• 11:21Speaker 06

  Why aren't they at a black side already?

• 11:23Speaker 07

  Right, yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 11:25Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, and I mean, also, the UK laws are a little bit different. I don't think they would have had, they had to let them out of, out of jail so quickly because they, they like bailed them all out within like 24 hours or something, which is also very, very strange. Like, the only reason why I can think they would do that is because they were, you know, tracking them to, you know, whoever their buddies were, they want them to get up on their cell phones, start making phone calls and that kind of stuff.

• 11:50Speaker 07

  And also see who goes dark, because there will be a negative space too, where some individuals get spooked and stop doing certain things and that, that's also out of pattern.

• 11:57Jack Murphy?

  That's, that's the danger in running an op like that is like, what if one of those guys disappears and the next time you see him, you know, he's shooting up families at a supermarket? Like, that's not gonna look very good on the government.

• 12:10Speaker 07

  Well, not only that, a number of these attacks in the UK over the last year were not with guns, they were with knives or arson.

• 12:16Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 12:17Speaker 07

  And there was also one that was a fake, it was a fake explosive that was sent into the Israeli embassy that was shown to be a completely benign substance, but just the fact that this thing entered the embassy was enough, you know, to be considered a really serious breach.

• 12:31Jack Murphy?

  And then we had the also evacuation of B1 bombers from the RAF airfield in the UK this week. So again, it makes you wonder what, what's like percolating beneath the surface over there right now?

• 12:44Speaker 07

  Well, what I saw was that apparently, this is a DoD source that said this, that there was an Operation Spider's Web like attack being planned against that base and the US was acting preemptively, using some indicators, that they weren't confirmed that that was actually happening, but the indicators were kind of pointing in that direction possibly, and they were being cautious and removing them out of the, the region for that, for that exact reason.

• 13:07Speaker 06

  Isn't it bad that we can't protect our bases from that?

• 13:12Speaker 07

  It's challenging me, the way that drone technology works. I mean, if you have a swarm of very low cost, low altitude pieces of equipment, even if you intercepted some of them, that's not all of them. And the fact that they could infiltrate, again, similar to the Israeli embassy thing I just mentioned, that was a small commercial off the shelf drone that carried a little, a little, you know, container with it. What if you had a thousand of those, 5,000 of those, you know, and you set them all at the same time or in a coordinated way, not just on RAF Fairford, but at other locations as well? I mean, we have other stuff in the UK as well, lots of US forces in the UK, permanent forces there that are well known, you know? I think, you know, just hitting a couple of them would be a really big deal, even if you didn't kill anybody, just causing some damage.

• 13:55Speaker 07

  And remember that, like terrorism harms people, but you've also got sabotage and subversion. And sabotage doesn't really require any human casualties. It's, it's actually more targeted towards physical assets on the ground.

• 14:07Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I mean, it's not good when we can't defend our own bombers on an RAF airfield in the UK. And, I mean, I guess removing them is better than the alternative if you really think there's an attack pending, but the fact that you can't mitigate it is, uh, yeah, that, that's like kind of a canary in the coal mine sort of moment about what's coming in the direction we're heading in.

• 14:30Speaker 07

  It's another canary in the coal mine for what our alliances and partnerships look like right now, because we have this whole NATO construct, right? Where theoretically, we should be able to land a B1 in any one of those countries' airfields. That's the whole point, right? And the fact that we have one country only on the list, we now can't even be there. I mean, Spain basically said, do not use our airfields, like if you've been to Broda and things like that, like that's, that's a normal point of access in the past that we would use for this kind of stuff. Turkey even, I mean, the whole reason Turkey is in NATO is because of certain things that we have there and we can't even use the B1s in Turkey, right? I mean, that's a big deal. That's right in theater, would be fantastic to use the B1s in Turkey, but we're not for political reasons.

• 15:12Speaker 07

  So that's a, a finger pointing toward, you know, what's the relationship with NATO like right now? It doesn't look very good.

• 15:19Jack Murphy?

  Well, you're in law school, John, so this is another interesting and related topic is, uh, I was having a conversation with a lawyer friend and he was telling me that in the United States, we're about to start regulating drones about as drastically as we regulate guns. And maybe more so because there isn't a second amendment, you know, there isn't a constitutional amendment protecting drones.

• 15:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's a huge problem because, okay, if, let's say that we regulate it. Is China gonna regulate theirs? Is Russia gonna regulate theirs? And then in, in the face of our regulation, they may further deregulate, because now they have an incentive to maximize within the two-year period of time that they know that they have, when we still have this administration in power, they could really ramp up in a way that could be irreversible. So by the time we come in two years later and we suddenly send a bunch of funds over to the Defense Innovation Unit and to new drone commands, two years from now, it'll be way too late.

• 16:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, but are they gonna regulate like commercial drones, like people like us being able to buy a drone and fly it wherever we want, or is it gonna regulate the actual industry?

• 16:23Speaker 07

  They're gonna regulate the industry, the equipment and the airspace. So those are three separate things and probably the third one, the airspace is the most challenging, because even if you have a drone, it might be either defeated, switched off, or have some other way of interference if it comes within a certain distance of some location or something like that. So you can't even use it the way that you want to use it, right? Most of these drones are produced by BYD, which is a Chinese company. China has, already has, you know, the, the jump on this, they're the ones producing most drones on the planet. If you remember back to the Huawei problem during Trump I, we were trying, using diplomatic carrots and sticks to stop other countries, like the actual governments of countries from buying Huawei stuff in their infrastructure when they're, when they're building their

• 17:05Speaker 07

  Wi-Fi networks, because of the backdoors in Huawei, which by the way, Huawei was led by the former NSA equivalent director from the Chinese government. He retired out of the NSA equivalent to take over Huawei, right? All these companies are owned by the Chinese government, controlled by the Chinese government. BYD is no different. So you have this device that has remote access, because by design it has to, that could reveal all, it could suddenly be turned on into a, a either passive or active surveillance tool for the Chinese government on a wide, wide scale inside the United States.

• 17:39Speaker 06

  I mean, you, we are seeing a bit of the, like proliferation of drone companies in America, specifically on the defense side. You know, I wrote, like as a joke, like the, you know, if you're a white guy now, don't start a podcast, start a drone company, you know, because you see, I see it on LinkedIn, like who's getting, you know, a hundred million dollars in seed money at a $3 billion valuation? Sure, more than likely, two thirds of these companies that are started and are operating right now are vaporware and will not be around in a few years' time, but you gotta assume some will last.

• 18:11Speaker 07

  I think the reality of that is reflected in two platforms. One is the Predator series of platforms that includes the Gray Eagle and other larger, like our rivet joint and things like this, still in operation, but originally invented in the late 1980s and used for the first time in Kosovo and Bosnia in the early 90s. That platform is still there now. Nothing really since then, except the Gray Eagle, which is again, an iteration of this older platform. And the Shahed, like the, what did we, I can't remember what we called it, there's some acronym we came up with to call it Lucas. It's basically a copyright ripoff of an Iranian-produced Shahed. Like, do we really not have any other innovation between what was invented in 1987 and used in Kosovo to what Iran invented on a much lower budget with sanctions, by the way, and export controls and all this, and they still produced it and it's still being used by

• 18:56Speaker 07

  Russia, the US and Iran? Like, I mean, there, there's a huge gap here in innovation incentives at least in the US, because like you mentioned, there's vaporware for sure, there's all kinds of ideas, very expensive ideas. But where's the actual product that someone could ramp up and do in this like startup environment to make, make the thing happen that needs to happen, you know?

• 19:15Speaker 06

  I wonder why we don't see more, like, and I will say this, like, at least from the, the companies that I've seen, a lot of them are more defensive in nature, you know, like knocking out drones, swarms with drone swarms and stuff like that, but I'm sure it could be easily turned, turned into an offensive capability. I don't, that's definitely there.

• 19:33Speaker 07

  Well, the thing is, you got like, let's say you got a CRAM, which is on an aircraft carrier that actually like shoots so many rounds that it cuts the device in half with, with heat and speed. You've got these fixed devices that do counter UAS stuff. For example, like some of our partners in the Middle East have purchased some of our proprietary equipment to be able to bring drones down. But the problem with all these things, and there are many others, many of them are fixed point assets or, or limited mobility assets, whereas the thing it's countering is high mobility and not fixed. So it's almost like we're kind of giving up on the mobility part as far as offensive capability, while also not creating a viable defensive capability. So both, in both directions, we're not really doing well.

• 20:13Speaker 06

  That's not good.

• 20:14Speaker 07

  No.

• 20:14Speaker 06

  I'm not an expert, but it doesn't sound like it's good.

• 20:16Speaker 07

  Give me a billion dollars, I'm sure I could come up with something that looks a lot like a Shahed.

• 20:19Speaker 06

  And there's AI, there's AI integrated in it, of course.

• 20:22Speaker 07

  Right.

• 20:22Speaker 06

  Right? We have to say that for the investors.

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  Right. And rare earth minerals.

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• 20:30Jack Murphy?

  What's going on?

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• 23:31Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, absolutely.

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• 25:03Speaker 06

  Just hit all the buzzwords. And we are not, and you are not woke. We are not.

• 25:07Speaker 07

  Send it to my crypto wallet.

• 25:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. Thank you. You get a billion dollars.

• 25:12Jack Murphy?

  We gotta reestablish deterrence.

• 25:14Speaker 06

  Hey, I love that.

• 25:15Jack Murphy?

  Escalate to de-escalate.

• 25:17Speaker 06

  I mean, dude, where did they, like, test that, that line out? Because you see, like, the whole Atlantic Council crew, like, when things were popping off, I think with Iran initially, maybe a year and a half ago. That was like the talking point about escalate to de-escalate. It's like, it seems to have worked really well.

• 25:34Jack Murphy?

  They brought it up in regards to, like, October 7 in Gaza and everything also. And it's like, that term alone is like, to me, it represents like the abject failure of politics, like, across the board. Like, diplomacy, military action, all of it, is just an abject failure when you start thinking like that.

• 25:55Speaker 07

  Well, war is the failure of policy. And the thing is, if you look back to, like, June 6, 1967, when Israel made its surprise offensive, the way they described that is as preemptive self-defense. And that is exactly what the last two years has also been described as, from many, many supporters of this type of recent doctrine as well. That, oh, we had to do it because they were going to do something. And actually, I remember when we killed Qassem Soleimani back in 2020, June 8. That was also described as preemptive self-defense. And, and we use the, the authorization for use of military force for Iraq to kill him, an Iranian general, which, again, very tenuous, but doesn't really matter. Because if you have the, if you have the executive authority button, you can hit the button

• 26:41Speaker 07

  and then let people argue about it later, but you've already hit the button. It's a fait accompli, and there's nothing anyone can really do about it.

• 26:46Speaker 06

  I mean, we're doing the same thing with the boats and the Atlantic and the Pacific, you know?

• 26:53Speaker 07

  Right. And many of these guys in these boats are just contracted fishermen guys that are like, oh, yeah, you're gonna pay me 10 times as much. I mean, this is a thing in Afghanistan. If you do the math on the economics of opium, you could make 500 times more growing opium than growing sorghum. Why would you ever not grow opium? It just doesn't make sense.

• 27:11Speaker 06

  So you're for drugs, John, is what you're telling us?

• 27:14Speaker 07

  Hey, I'm a capitalist.

• 27:19Jack Murphy?

  The, I mean, yeah, everything is self-defense, except we renamed the Department of Defense to the Department of War, and we call everyone a warfighter, and we're fighting a war, but it's not a war. It's like, I'm confused.

• 27:35Speaker 07

  That's what happens when you have a reservist major in charge of the Defense Department.

• 27:37Jack Murphy?

  Who'd have thought?

• 27:41Speaker 06

  It was funny. Yesterday, somebody was mentioning about what they do, what they would do when they're, when they don't know what's going on and what to talk about. And he wrote, I just think about, what would Pete Hexett say and say the opposite?

• 27:54Speaker 07

  Whoever said that must be pretty wise.

• 27:56Speaker 06

  Very smart guy. Yeah. Whoever said that.

• 28:04Speaker 06

  You guys want to talk about the plague in Russia?

• 28:06Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah. So it's a pneumonic plague. So there's four types of plague. This is Yersinia pestis, which is what caused the 14th century, 13th century, and 15th century plagues in Europe that killed like a third of some populations, like, super serious. It's also a thing that has been largely eradicated, but does pop up every now and then in the wild, in, like, in human places. Apparently, this person, though, came down with something completely unrelated. It was totally coincidental that they got very sick with pneumonia-like symptoms and died at this facility that was doing research on pneumonic plague. And it's not bubonic plague. Bubonic plague is actually less bad than pneumonic plague.

• 28:47Speaker 07

  Pneumonic plague, like, the word pneumo refers to your lungs, and it actually causes these, these fissures and growths inside your lungs. Yeah, and it makes your lungs basically liquefy into this, like, formatic grossness that makes you drown in your own lung tissue.

• 29:03Speaker 06

  Fun.

• 29:04Speaker 07

  Way worse than the bubonic plague, which many will survive. Actually, some, some did survive that. But, yeah, this guy coincidentally came down with pneumonia. Again, the word pneumo in pneumonia means lung. So getting connected and completely coincidental that it occurred and affected his same body part as this other thing. So I don't know what your thoughts are on it, Jack, but to me, it's just an interesting coincidence.

• 29:27Jack Murphy?

  There was a lab leak in the, geez, this is from memory reading in Ken Alibek's book. It would have been like the seventies, I believe. There is a, they had a bioweapon lab leak where, and I can't remember exactly what it was that failed in the lab, but long story short is that they vented it from the facility. And it, there was like a lumber factory or something like that nearby and a whole bunch of people got sick and died. And the Soviet Union covered that stuff up. And then, you know, when, even after the Soviet Union collapsed, a lot of these facilities, and probably the one we're talking about in this case, they're dual use facilities.

• 30:09Jack Murphy?

  They're, you know, for like public health and developing vaccines and all that kind of stuff, but secretly they're also developing some gnarly stuff. That's what happened throughout the Soviet era into the 1990s. And it wouldn't, I wouldn't put it past the Russians to be working on those types of programs today. I mean, if you look at, you know, the assassination unit that the FSB has, and they mess with all kinds of different poisons and stuff like that. So I, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they had an active program.

• 30:39Speaker 07

  Well, it's the same with the navi chock, like you mentioned. I mean, navi chock does not occur in a natural way that you could just like accidentally run into some navi chock and get on your skin and die. It has to be isolated, it has to be contained, it has to be put into a delivery mechanism. And I, I believe there was polonium as well, which is not a biological weapon, but it's also radiological and requires very similar places to develop these delivery mechanisms, like the umbrella that it was delivered out of. You can't just do that in your garage. You have to have a very high level of safety and, and, and structure so you don't harm the people developing it.

• 31:12Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. And, and in those cases, they use those substances specifically to signal who was behind it. Because they want to send a message to other defectors and exiles and so forth that like, hey, man, like the UK, they can't protect you.

• 31:34Speaker 07

  And also that many countries can't produce this. There are, there are very small number of countries that could make it in the first place. So you know, not only is it a state actor, you know that it's Russia.

• 31:42Jack Murphy?

  Ruski's.

• 31:43Speaker 07

  Yep. It's not like when Navalny dies in his cell, which we know why he died in his cell, but he didn't die from navi chock or something like that. So they, they weren't trying to send the same message that they sent to defectors, for example. So a political person inside of Russia might fall out of their hotel window or die in their prison cell. Still, we, we pretty much know what's going on. Or they may die in an air crash, like another fellow.

• 32:08Jack Murphy?

  Promotion.

• 32:09Speaker 07

  Right. Which is an accident, of course. And, but it doesn't, it's, but that's the thing, like it could be described as an accident, just like with this guy who died at the Pneumonic plague. Whereas the navi chock people and the polonium victims, it, there is no question, this was a murder from a government against a dissident. And then the question is, what are they doing the research for on this Pneumonic plague? And, you know, thinking about the navi chock one in particular, it could be that they were developing this for delivery as an assassination tool.

• 32:38Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. I mean, and this is another whole subject now, in the era of biological warfare, there's a lot of talk about the use of AI, that anybody ostensibly could get on there and, and start messing with it. Also, I've heard talk about microfluidics, which is another sort of interesting topic that allows very, very precise dosing. And right now it's used in like the pharmaceutical industry, but there's fears that, you know, bad guys could access this and create weapons with it. But I've also heard experts say that, you know, there's a lot of focus on like apocalyptic

• 33:18Jack Murphy?

  scenarios and things like sarin and VX and, and stuff like that, which is actually pretty difficult to manufacture. Whereas anthrax is something you can go and dig up in a farm and get a live culture of it and start replicating it and weaponizing it. And then the weaponization, there's some difficulty there. The difficulty isn't so much in the culture, creating cultures, it's more in aerosolizing the material and making sure that the agent remains alive and active as it's aerosolizing out. And there's additives that are put into it to do that, which, and that's the part that's

• 33:58Jack Murphy?

  actually like classified information that the governments don't want, public knowledge for sure.

• 34:04Speaker 07

  And that's actually one of the differences between bubonic plague and pneumonic plague. Bubonic plague is transmissible through contact with the fluids that come out of the boo-boos, whereas pneumonic plague is only transmitted person to person through aerosol transfers.

• 34:19Jack Murphy?

  Interesting.

• 34:19Speaker 07

  So that's an interesting question of like, how are you intending to use this? What was the point of the research on this, you know?

• 34:25Jack Murphy?

  Was there a wet market nearby where they're selling bats?

• 34:31Speaker 07

  Wasn't it pangolins?

• 34:33Jack Murphy?

  Pangolins, I heard that too.

• 34:35Speaker 06

  It was down, it was brought down to pangolins or bats, one or the other that like did it.

• 34:39Speaker 07

  Someone should ask Fauci, I'm sure he knows, right?

• 34:40Speaker 06

  Yeah. He'll, he'll, he'll pay, he'll pay, guys. Don't, don't you worry.

• 34:45Jack Murphy?

  I'm gonna ask Bill Gates, bet he has some info.

• 34:48Speaker 07

  Yeah. Didn't he create malaria?

• 34:50Speaker 06

  Polio, did he do polio? Cause he's.

• 34:54Jack Murphy?

  Cripples more children than polio.

• 34:55Speaker 06

  Is that, you talk about the IDF?

• 34:59Speaker 07

  Whoa, whoa.

• 35:02Speaker 06

  Sorry, sorry.

• 35:03Speaker 07

  Don't alienate the listeners.

• 35:05Jack Murphy?

  Sanctioned and tariffed.

• 35:07Speaker 06

  Whoops. Apologies.

• 35:09Speaker 07

  Well, you might get the terrorists removed.

• 35:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's true. And we'll get a refund.

• 35:13Jack Murphy?

  We'll be put on the FTO.

• 35:15Speaker 06

  Uh, we have like another fun, it's not really fun. It's actually kind of fucked up story. And we're springing this on Jonathan Hackett. He's definitely too smart to know that this is actually going on. Maybe he came across it. I don't, I doubt it though.

• 35:28Speaker 07

  Is it a Twitter thing?

• 35:29Speaker 06

  No, it's, it's a, it's like the whole drama with SEAL Team Six and John Chapman, how they came out and did an Andy Stump podcast, basically trying to say that John Chapman was killed like three minutes after he got off the, the Chinook and doesn't deserve his Medal of Honor, essentially, you know? And I don't know, like if you're having bad PR and you want to like change the PR of your group, which is SEAL Team Six in this case, I don't know if I would disparage a dead Medal of Honor recipient.

• 36:04Speaker 07

  Not only that, but Medal of Honor requires witness statements and a lot of pre-research before it's even submitted. So that means that you're, you're basically saying that a bunch of false statements were submitted.

• 36:15Speaker 06

  Right. So, yeah, I want to get your takes on it because we had some responses from like other vet bros like Jay Dorleas, he's been on our, he's been on the team house before, really good episode, check it out, former Green Beret. I think he's got the YouTube channel, Green Beret Chronicles. And he went fucking ham on Slavinsky. I think it came out a few days ago. I just watched it today right before we did this and he called him out, he was calling him out for sure. I mean, cause like some of the interviews that Slavinsky has done, and there are connections between the filmmakers of this documentary that's supposedly coming out in a couple of months. One of the guys is a former Blue Squadron guy, Mitch Hall, I want to say his name is, I think Mitch something.

• 36:58Speaker 06

  He's tight with Slavinsky and he's also tight with Samansky, who's another blue guy. And like the first person in the interview was Slavinsky, who was on the mountain, on Talkagar when that all went down. And so, but Jay's video, he was like, in the initial part, he was looking at an interview with Slavinsky who was on there. And basically, is he lying in that interview or is he lying to the filmmakers? Like the story keeps, continues to change. So I want you guys to let me know, what do you guys think of SEAL Team Six and the Navy SEALs in general, as a former Marine and Ranger?

• 37:35Speaker 07

  I mean, this is like two decades. I mean, like, why is this coming out right now? What's, what's in it? And I always, you know, I was an interrogator and I always say there's three sides to every story, your side, their side and the truth. And we'll never know the truth in anything, right? So I'm extremely skeptical right away of like the timing, the source, the platform, the message, like what are, why are all these things connected together right now at this moment from this person? You know? That's a big question mark that, that people who are responsible should answer. For example, Andy Stump should answer that question. I mean, he's responsible for platforming the person, so it's his responsibility to do the diligence to provide either, you know, someone's opposing view or someone's corroborating

• 38:17Speaker 07

  view or the source of this information or an explanation of why is it now that this person's choosing to say this?

• 38:25Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I mean, there's a ton of, you know, details to unpack. The conversation around this has become hyper technical to the point that we're analyzing the disposition of pixels on drone footage from 25 years ago. I mean, it's getting increasingly technical and all that stuff needs to be hashed out. I guess I didn't think it needed to be, but now apparently it does.

• 38:50Jack Murphy?

  I'm not going to speak too much about this because I'll let the people who are there talk about it or people who have actually gone through and interviewed those who were involved, like Sean Naylor did and others. Dan Schilling wrote a book. There are people out there who are subject matter experts on this topic.

• 39:07Speaker 06

  Well, yeah, well, Sean was getting some shots thrown at him during that podcast with Mitch Hall and the the soap opera actor guy who tries to look like a SEAL Team guy amongst other SEAL Team guys.

• 39:21Speaker 07

  Was it Dan Bilzerian?

• 39:22Speaker 06

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 39:24Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I'm not, I'm not going to speak for Sean either. I'll let him formulate his own rebuttal if he chooses to do so. But what I will say about this topic is yes, I think John Chapman deserves a Medal of Honor. And I think that you have to be in a very low and dark place in life to be going after a dead service member's medal. All these years later, ostensibly as near as we can tell, simply out of self-interest to rehabilitate, you know, your own image.

• 40:03Speaker 07

  And it's also the only value that he has remaining is the knowledge of this event, perhaps to himself.

• 40:09Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, well, and here's the other part of it that I will say is that, you know, if Slabinski was coming out and defending himself, and that was his only thing was, you know, hey, I feel some of my actions were mischaracterized that day. Here's what I really did or what I didn't do. I think I could accept that. That wouldn't even bother me. I don't think it would bother a lot of people, actually. But when you're actually going after, you're saying that Chapman doesn't deserve the Medal of Honor. That guy Mitch Hall said it outright. And if you watch that video with Eric Demming, he asked Slab like 10 times, does Chapman deserve the Medal of Honor? And Slab either can't or won't answer.

• 40:49Jack Murphy?

  And this guy is the president of the Medal of Honor Foundation and the director of the Medal of Honor Museum.

• 40:57Speaker 06

  I don't know if he's the director. I think he's on the board.

• 41:00Jack Murphy?

  He's on the board. Okay.

• 41:03Jack Murphy?

  Now, now square that circle for me. How do you serve in those positions while you're actively trying to undermine a service member's Medal of Honor who's in your own museum? I, that does not compute for me.

• 41:18Speaker 07

  And like from the legal perspective, and I'll say it again, like by saying that they're implying that at least two to six people made false official statements, not only on the Title X military side like UCMJ, but also to Congress. So like huge, huge implications of what, what that means. Like that means they're facing jail time, these people that wrote those statements. If they, and they could be convicted because the way our system works, it's very, very low bar to convict somebody in the military, especially if these guys were retired, they can be reactivated and tried in a court martial. So, and even if they, even if they were being honest and said the truth, because the way the system is designed, it's like this person is not only putting the reputation of someone who died in combat in jeopardy, they're putting the lives of people who are alive in jeopardy,

• 42:03Speaker 07

  like their entire livelihoods in jeopardy by saying that kind of statement with no backing whatsoever. And I bet that these people didn't think about that. You know, because like you said, it's a moment for them to steal the spotlight for some reason or to, to engage with their own value of themselves, the only value they might have left at the expense of not only a dead person, but living people who have lives, you know, and it seems pretty unfair.

• 42:29Speaker 06

  Yeah. And I mean, we've kind of had people on the, on Team House especially who've painstakingly documented like the ins and outs of this drama, especially like when they, I guess the Air Force tried to up his awards from a cross to Medal of Honor. And then the reaction from the Navy was to do the same with Slabinski. And there seems to have been some kind of like pie fight or, you know, behind the scenes kind of wrangling that was going on between Navy and Air Force and stuff like that. So, yeah, I, I, I have nothing, I can't really say anything because I haven't done shit like in terms of service or anything like that. But like in terms of an optics thing, if you're Slabinski and somebody asks you a

• 43:12Speaker 06

  question about John Chapman, even if you don't believe whatever, you know, you're the guy who's alive, he's the guy who's dead, show a little bit of deference and be a little humble in terms of, because you're out here, you're out here cashing checks now. Like, let's be real, like, what, you know, you're, you're on a master class about like leadership and shit, like you're doing speeches, you're making money based on what you're, and I'm not saying he was a bad SEAL. I'm sure he was fine. You know, I'm sure he was good. But when they act like, just be a little magnanimous in terms of like talking about somebody who fucking died on that hill, you know?

• 43:50Jack Murphy?

  There, I mean, there are guys that I served with that I didn't personally like. Some people who I think have ethical integrity issues, honor issues. But unless it's like a violent crime or something like that, like I'm not going to jump on a podcast and start disparaging other people's military service all these years later, because the question is what for? What does that do? And it's like you're stroking your own ego. It's like a very petty thing. It would be very petty of me to hold on to a grudge for, you know, 20 years. Well, like what the hell for? What's, what's that accomplishing? And I'll go ahead and I'll make a little prediction here and, you know, folks can

• 44:32Jack Murphy?

  throw this in my face in the future if I'm totally wrong. But I think that when all is said and done with this Chapman drama that has been stirred up, I think the SEALs are absolutely going to look like the biggest fucking douchebags on the planet. Like that is going to be the final result of all of this. And people are just going to look at them like you're a piece of shit.

• 44:59Jack Murphy?

  And in the meantime, there's a lot of collateral damage, right? Chapman's family being pulled through all of this.

• 45:04Speaker 06

  So, you know, the Vetpro drama is very much in high gear.

• 45:10Speaker 06

  They, you know, they continue to find new, new and

• 45:12Jack Murphy?

  New lows.

• 45:13Speaker 06

  Yeah. Yeah, it was incredible to me. And I will say this about Andy Stumpf, like he platformed them obviously, but he was, I, I saw, I didn't see the whole thing, but like the couple hours I did see, because there's like nine hours of it. He was doing a pretty good job of like, kind of like, you know, questioning things and stuff like that. And so I'll give him that for sure. Like he wasn't just like, you know, this, it wasn't just like Dev Gru propaganda hour. I will say that. And the goober, the goober fucking actor filmmaker guy, he literally dressed up like a Navy SEAL who's like off duty, like, you know, black beard, hat, flannel shirt.

• 45:57Speaker 06

  And like you see Andy Stumpf there and Mitch Hall, whatever, you know, if he's lying, he's being a dick or whatever, he's still a SEAL Team Six guy. Like they look like normal people and this guy's like black bearded. You could tell like he just dyed it with some shoe polish and looked like an absolute fucking clown. Well, I can say that because he's a regular guy and I'm a regular guy. So he's a fucking clown.

• 46:17Jack Murphy?

  I, I think the, the big question with this documentary that's coming out is how was it financed? And they have said it was 100% privately financed. Okay. Privately financed by whom? That's, that's the question I have. And I, I'm not going to speculate on who the whom might be. But I think if that comes out, first off, it'll answer a bunch of questions that we have. But secondly, I would speculate that it will be a very familiar cast of characters that we already know.

• 46:55Speaker 06

  Yep, it's going to be interesting. I suppose it should be coming out in the next couple of months, which also silly because if you're, you know, you lined up this podcast with Stumpf and you want to get like max exposure, maybe they're hoping for Sean Ryan or Joe Rogan, but you know, you would line it up for when your documentary is ready to rock, you know? When you make a splash like this, I'm just thinking PR wise, because I am a truffle pig at the end of the day.

• 47:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's, it's been a crazy couple of weeks in terms of that. And I would, I'm not going to lie to you. I got a little triggered when they were talking shit about Sean.

• 47:31Speaker 06

  I was texting Jack too. I was like, these motherfuckers.

• 47:34Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I mean, there's, there's more to all of that. And again, I'm, I just don't want to get into Sean's business or like get ahead of him on that. I'll let him say his piece when he's ready.

• 47:46Speaker 07

  The other thing, I mean, it points to a larger problem and that is the way that medals are awarded in the GWAT. And there's all kinds of different studies on this, but like, for example, the Purple Heart versus a Bronze Star. There is a study I read about 10 years ago, I think. And if you look at Purple Hearts issued and the ranks that the Purple Hearts are issued to, they were, and this is on Marines in particular, especially during, you know, the invasion of Iraq, and there were a lot of injuries and things like that, 2003, 2004, 2005. Most of the Purple Hearts were awarded to guys who were like E5 and below. And most of the Bronze Stars were awarded to field grade officers who did not have Purple Hearts. And the question is like, okay, the guys that were closest to the violence, which you can measure by their Purple Hearts, because they were touched by violence.

• 48:29Speaker 07

  That's why they have a Purple Heart are not getting combat awards, like, like personal awards, whereas the field grade officers are not getting Purple Hearts. Some of them were, but the majority were not, especially the ones who were getting Bronze Stars. Why, where, where, where is that? Like what's, what's the, what's the connection here? What's going on here? And if you look back at Vietnam is a different story, you know, and, and the types of awards awarded are different too. Like in Vietnam, you had guys getting Silver Stars on patrol, multiple Silver Stars in a deployment. Now a Silver Star is like a news item because the way that we've restricted award issuance. And now we're having arguments about, not, not us, but like the general public is having arguments about like, should this guy get a Medal of Honor or not? And it's just a very strange change in how we, we think about combat valor and awards.

• 49:13Jack Murphy?

  Well, I mean, I'll, I'll say this much. The Medal of Honor is awarded by our government in cases to try to gloss over failures. And I don't mean failures of people like Slabinski or John Chapman. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying like higher level, like why were those troops there in the first place? Like those kinds of like big questions. And, you know, when you issue a bunch of medals of honor, you don't have to answer too many questions about that. And yeah, that goes back to the Vietnam War and

• 49:48Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I mean, it's not a ding on any Medal of Honor recipient. I'm not saying that their actions are not brave or heroic, or that they don't deserve it. I'm just saying that there is some politics behind it.

• 50:00Speaker 07

  I mean, you can look at the fanfare of the way that this award is awarded. You know, there's a whole thing with the president usually, you know, awarding them posthumously, putting it in the public eye and things like this. And as you mentioned, if you look, I have a friend who's in the army that got the Medal of Honor. He was a conventional guy that was surrounded by like 60 Taliban guys. And like, he basically fought them off. And to your point, like, why, why was a platoon leader and one other guy at a FOB? Like, what, what failure led to that? You know?

• 50:30Jack Murphy?

  Exactly.

• 50:32Speaker 06

  John, would your friend like to come on the Team House podcast? I don't know if you're familiar with it?

• 50:37Speaker 07

  He's still active, so he can't.

• 50:38Speaker 06

  Oh, okay. Just when he's done.

• 50:40Speaker 07

  Yeah. I don't think the Department of War would like that.

• 50:46Speaker 06

  Jack, we spoke on Sunday about like, the official withdrawal from Iraq. You know, and John, like in our, in our convo, you guys wanted, you wanted to like, maybe dig into it a little bit more. And Jack, I'd love to get your take too. You were in Iraq, you served there, you know, so.

• 51:02Jack Murphy?

  I mean, I think that at this stage in the game, like, the war in Iraq is over. So the question, like, why do we have troops there? And the, um, the, the excuse that I heard, it was the same reason why we're, the, the reason given why we had troops in Syria, was that they're there to counter Iran. Okay, exactly. What the fuck are they doing to counter Iran? And how does having a bunch of American soldiers garrisoned in a country just chilling there? How is that countering Iran? Um, it's not like, you know, we put a bunch of American soldiers in South Korea, so that if the North Koreans invade, you know that you're going to be fighting American troops. You know, they're right there on

• 51:43Jack Murphy?

  the DMZ. It's not one of those things. It's like the Iranians already have a robust insurgency, or in fact, they've hijacked a huge amount of the Iraqi government. Um, so it's not, it's like, what are we really countering by having those soldiers there? And instead, are what we do, or what we're doing is essentially providing targets for Iranian insurgents to shoot at?

• 52:07Speaker 07

  And also, I mean, during Trump one, I saw this transition from, you know, we had the counter ISIS mission in the Obama administration, which then carried over into the Trump administration. There was a large shift away from certain types of counterterrorism operations to kind of more of a clear and hold mentality in eastern Syria and northwestern Iraq. And in the Syria part, there was a big shift from, there were still active operations, but more it was protecting oil facilities. Like, literally having SOF stationed at oil facilities, like MSS Konoko is one of them. Shadadi is another one. And there are a couple of others around there, like Green Village. These are all oil production facilities. The reason we were there was not to deter Iran, it's so that the Assad government can't use

• 52:51Speaker 07

  their own oil facilities and make money. Like, this is the reason we were there, right? And you could see that because that, there was a lot of tension there between the Syrian government and the US forces there, and the surrogates in between, because there were many different surrogate forces, not just the SDF.

• 53:05Jack Murphy?

  You're talking about.

• 53:06Speaker 07

  That we're trying to contest that. Exactly. Yeah. All along the river. And that's a major reason we supported the SDF was to, to create that buffer so that the Syrian government could not use those oil fields. And I mean, that's an economic thing. That is not a counterterrorism thing at all. But you're putting US forces, like, special operations forces as basically policemen of another country's oil fields, so that that country can't have access to its oil.

• 53:29Speaker 06

  And, I don't know, you know, countering ISIS and countering Iran, isn't like, the fact that we went into Iraq, the reason why Iran became more powerful in the region and ISIS started in the first place?

• 53:42Speaker 07

  Well, even in 2002, when Bush gave his axis of evil speech, right before that, the Iranian government had tried to provide the US with intelligence about Al Qaeda. And the Syrian government did the same thing, and actually did it multiple times.

• 53:54Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, they were scared.

• 53:55Speaker 07

  And they were taken off guard when Trump, I'm sorry, when Bush said, you know, this is the axis of evil, Iran, Syria, North Korea, they have to be deposed, blah, blah, blah. And they were shocked, because they thought they were, they were helping, right? Because they didn't want Al Qaeda. And we saw the same thing when ISIS came up. When I was there, we were, we were hitting targets that the IRGC was also hitting. And we were deconflicting through third parties to ensure that we didn't hit each other, because we had shared interests at that time, just like in 2001, after 9/11.

• 54:25Speaker 06

  And I mean, like, Syria, dude, we have to do like, a long ass pod about Syria, because the intertwining interests that went on there, right? Like, we both, all of us hate ISIS. Maybe Turkey doesn't a little bit? Like, you know, it's like a crazy, crazy mix and web of just, I don't even know how it fucking worked out, frankly.

• 54:49Jack Murphy?

  I, um, over the last few years, you know, I'm, I'm happy that a lot of the stories that we've done on the high side, there were things that were percolating in the back of my head for many years. Um, and I'm glad to get them out there. One of the ones that's still there, that lives rent-free in my mind, and I haven't written yet, I hope to one day, is a real long form, like retrospective on the intelligence and covert ops side of what happened in Syria. Um, I, I think there's a lot more reporting to be done on that topic.

• 55:22Speaker 07

  I've actually written an article on Timber Sycamore, people can read on Interpopulum, using declassified and FOIA'd stuff, to show like, how the weapons got there, what was the cover used, what were the serial numbers on the weapons, pretty in-depth, kind of like my Iran book, where it's facts, you know, it's not opinions and things like that. And it's like, you know, you come to your own conclusion, but the conclusion's pretty clear, when you, when you see what's going on here and like, how it works out. So, there's, but like you said, there's more to be done and more to be researched, because there's a lot of stuff in the Turkish language, there's a lot of stuff in Arabic that hasn't been put out yet. A lot of these groups, you could probably contact these groups, not the general public, but you, Jack, could probably contact some of these guys in Syria, that would be willing to talk about their role, because there were a lot of different groups that

• 56:05Speaker 07

  were not connected to each other, that were part of this operation. And that was part of the problem, was that they were not connected to each other. So there was no, like, leveling of interest, except to just do one outcome, and that was it. And when that outcome was achieved, or not achieved, or given up, you know? Yeah, exactly.

• 56:19Jack Murphy?

  Is this the one we're looking at? Sweet.

• 56:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, John, send me that link, and I'll, and I'll, uh, put it in the description, so people can check it out.

• 56:28Speaker 07

  Yeah. And that's a picture of some of the jundis. I don't know if I can say jundis nowadays, but that's what they are.

• 56:33Speaker 06

  Is that not allowed anymore?

• 56:36Speaker 07

  Jundi, by the way, is a short form of jundula, which is a, or like, the jund, which is a soldier, by the way, in Arabic. So it's not so bad.

• 56:42Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, jundi is just a soldier.

• 56:44Speaker 07

  Yeah. But the British used it really pejoratively with some of their guys, yeah, back in the day.

• 56:49Jack Murphy?

  Old school racism. It's so racist, I don't even know it.

• 56:52Speaker 07

  Yeah. Back in the early SAS days in North Africa.

• 56:58Speaker 06

  What else we got, guys, to wrap up? Any thoughts, comments?

• 57:03Jack Murphy?

  That's about it. I mean, we touched on a pretty wide array of topics, from aircraft hijackings, to bioweapons, to Iran.

• 57:11Speaker 07

  We need to do an episode on the Sykes-Picot agreement, and like, what does that mean today, at some point? That will take a long time, but that should be something we talk about, because we touch on the effects of it a lot.

• 57:19Jack Murphy?

  Right, right, right.

• 57:20Speaker 07

  But we don't get into detail on like, what does it mean? You know?

• 57:23Speaker 06

  Let people know what it is.

• 57:25Speaker 07

  So that's basically, if you look at a map of what Syria and Iraq look like, and Jordan, it's because these two guys sat in a secret room together in 1915, and drew that map. And that is now the map of the Middle East. And this is a, a reason we have a lot of the conflict that we have right now. But I won't give away all the secrets.

• 57:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, so look out for that. All will be revealed. Um, check out Jack's High Side, please. It's a great news outlet that he does. Of course, his book, The Most Dangerous Man, is out now. Incred, doing incredibly well. Huge, huge book.

• 58:02Jack Murphy?

  Huge.

• 58:03Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 58:03Speaker 07

  Bigly.

• 58:04Jack Murphy?

  Go check it out.

• 58:05Speaker 06

  Monstrous. John Hackett, our friend, he does, he's got these two books, Iran Shadow Weapons and the Theory of a Regular War. That, also, that Syria article will be in the link in the description. You could check that out there. And go to our Patreon, patreon.com/the teamhouse. You get ad-free episodes of Team House and Izan. You get them early. Um, and you support the show.

• 58:32Jack Murphy?

  One, uh, one last alibi here, Dee. Um, and I haven't listened to this yet, but I want to draw people's attention to it. This just came out, um, uh, I think it's three parts. It's a podcast series, um, that interviews a bunch of SAS guys that were in Northern Ireland doing ops against the IRA.

• 58:51Speaker 06

  I did see this, yeah.

• 58:53Jack Murphy?

  So I'm, uh, I'm excited to listen to these. Um, I think it's going to be pretty cool.

• 58:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, we should maybe snatch some for the Team House. I'm always thinking about the Team House. Definitely listen to this podcast, but listen to ours first, please. Thanks.

• 59:08Speaker 07

  You know, my wife actually listens to all the ads.

• 59:10Speaker 06

  No, I could send her a link, bro.

• 59:13Speaker 07

  No, because it helps the show. That's how much she cares about the show.

• 59:16Speaker 06

  She doesn't have to do that. God bless her. Thank you. I can absolutely send her a free link, and she can listen to it ad-free.

• 59:22Speaker 07

  No, no, no. She wants to support the show. And so should the listeners.

• 59:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, they can. But like, somebody who's in the family doesn't have to sit through ads, for God, for the love of God. And, yo, hey, guys, listener, if you don't want to sit through ads, again, the Team House Patreon, the link is in the description. Great setup, John. Incredible.

• 59:39Jack Murphy?

  Perfect.

• 59:40Speaker 06

  Yeah. Thanks, guys.

• 59:41Jack Murphy?

  All right. Take care.

• 59:42Speaker 07

  Take care.

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