Encounters x280 - Haunted Homes & Real Estate

Buying a house? Renting an apartment? Just existing in a space? Just know… the ghosts got there first. We’re diving into listener stories that prove the housing market isn’t just competitive... it’s paranormally active.✨ Bone-chilling (and occasionally hilarious) stories include: A woman who buys a Victorian home from a witch, only to meet a mysterious sad spirit—and some very chatty orbs. A toddler who hangs out nightly with “my guys,” a group of old ghosts who casually explain autopsies and death like it's preschool curriculum. A crying nun apparition that appears to two young kids—20 years before the house's secret history is uncovered. A shadowy figure in a full suit appears during a sandstorm in Arizona—and may be tied to a deeply tragic history. In this episode, creepy closets, haunted hallways and ghostly visitors are more common than open floor plans. 🏚️ Watch the video version here. Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] New Episodes are released every Thursday and Sunday at 12am PST/3am EST (the witching hour, of course). Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan, original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 2:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hi. Hey, what's up? This is Two Girls, One Ghost. Two Girls, One Ghost. And we are Your Ghost Is Is. That is Corinne. Hello. And I am Sabrina. And, you know, we live in places, you all live in places, apartments, homes, cars. Sometimes those places are haunted. And sometimes you buy them without knowing that they are haunted. And sometimes you buy it knowing and hoping that they are haunted, like the house that Payne and I bought. And was built in 1767, of course, it's haunted. Or the one that I bought, that I didn't think was haunted and certainly is, and is next to the house on the hill. But yeah, has something demonic. And sometimes it's just you that's haunted. Either way, this encounters episode is all about haunted real estate, haunted homes,

• 3:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  realtors showing people haunted houses. You and I both have experience with plenty of haunted houses, moving into, living in, buying, all of those things. And I'm going to reshare my favorite story, and I'm sure people have heard it before because I've talked about it on the podcast. But it's one of my favorite, most terrifying, haunting experiences that happened. And it was when my family and I, when I was in eighth grade, we were looking to move and be closer to my sister's high school at the time, and hopefully eventually mine, what was my high school. And it was in Princeton, New Jersey. This is a brand new house, literally walking distance from the high school. So many strange things happened. My dad was traveling and working overseas. So the first time we went to see the house, he was not there.

• 4:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We loved the house. It was beautiful. We saw it during the day. But my mom's BlackBerry, which was not connected to cell service, kept getting calls, like weird calls. And she was like, that's strange. We go to see it when my dad is in town. And instantly he's like getting bad vibes, like something is weird in this house. Then his phone starts getting calls from my mom's BlackBerry, which is in the car, again, not set up with cell service. Yeah. Which makes me think that something is like, get out of the house quick. Right, like trying to lure you back. Then my dad started having like nightmares about this house or something evil was there in the house. We fortunately did not purchase that home at the behest of my father. He was like, absolutely not.

• 4:48Corinne Vien?

  I might have asked you this before, but do you know who did? Because it's right next to your high school. So did anyone that you went to high school with?

• 4:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is what's so weird is that, so it was a brand new build in like kind of a woody, woodsy area. And what I heard is that the people who did eventually move in, moved out within a year and that it traded hands a lot of times. So then I know what the location was, so I was trying to find it on the maps. And I don't know if they completely redid the house, which I don't know why they would do that because it was brand new.

• 5:19Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 5:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But none of the houses look like the house I remember, which almost makes me think that the house presented itself in a different way to me.

• 5:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, or, or I'm almost like, did someone come in because it just wasn't, like there were such bad vibes? Or, or like someone came in and turned it into a multifamily unit. So it looks a little different.

• 5:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause all of the houses around there.

• 5:39Corinne Vien?

  Facade wouldn't be that different.

• 5:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's what's wild to me. And, and there were like a couple of houses, it was on Great Road in Princeton, that looked like it would be in that location. I looked on like Google Earth, like the walking mode. I looked on Zillow and like the one house that I thought it could be looked nothing like that. And I remember the house so vividly.

• 6:02Corinne Vien?

  When you go to Mexico, you should with everyone else in your family, do that same walk. Cause I wonder if anyone else will be like, no, this is it.

• 6:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I asked my mom and I even sent it to her. I was like, is this the house? And she goes, I think, I can't really remember. But I remember the house and it did not look anything like those houses.

• 6:18Corinne Vien?

  Weird.

• 6:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so weird.

• 6:19Corinne Vien?

  How very haunting of Hill House.

• 6:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Anyway, you all have a haunted house stories that we're gonna read.

• 6:25Corinne Vien?

  Do you want to start?

• 6:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You go first. I just told mine.

• 6:27Corinne Vien?

  But yours is personal.

• 6:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it doesn't count?

• 6:30Corinne Vien?

  It doesn't count. This is called, I bought a haunted house.

• 6:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Straightforward.

• 6:36Corinne Vien?

  This is why it's important to put certain key words in your emails.

• 6:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, do you like my shirt? I wear it for this topic. Must be hard to carry all that baggage.

• 6:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's the brand Boys Lie, which I'm obsessed with.

• 6:50Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I've never heard of that. I'm not surprised I haven't heard of it. I don't know anything. I shop only at Abercrombie half the time when I'm shopping online. I bought a haunted house. Hi, ladies. It's been some time since I wrote in to you. When I first wrote in, I had bought my first home all by myself. And after looking at many houses and searching for months, I purchased a 121-year-old Victorian, and I loved it.

• 7:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So cool.

• 7:14Corinne Vien?

  The previous owner was a witchy lady who seemed totally awesome. She left many spell jars around the house and property, performed several protection spells and blessed the home while she lived here. And she absolutely loved the house and even named it.

• 7:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But she named it.

• 7:30Corinne Vien?

  Funny enough, she happened to name it one of my favorite baby names, Hazel. Coincidence? I think not.

• 7:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because your house is your baby.

• 7:38Corinne Vien?

  So this house is crazy active and has been from the start. When I looked at the house for the first time, we were on the third floor and we heard this loud bang from the first floor. The house was totally empty. There was no explanation for this, but I just wrote it off. Then, on the day of the final walkthrough, I was sitting on the stairs when out of the corner of my eye, I noticed that the bathroom door was slowly opening. And this has not happened again since I moved in, so definitely not a draft of the house. And also, the house doesn't have central AC, so it couldn't really be explained by anything. A few days after closing on the house, I was there with my mom, working on some cleaning before I moved in, when suddenly there were three knocks at the door. My mom happened to be by the front door, so she opened it, but there was no one there.

• 8:21Corinne Vien?

  After living in the house for almost a month, things began to pick up. One night, I woke up in the middle of the night to see a young woman with long brown hair and Victorian garb watching me sleep.

• 8:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I get it. They're like, who's this newbie?

• 8:33Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 8:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just gonna watch her while she's sleeping.

• 8:36Corinne Vien?

  Watching you sleep.

• 8:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, not creepy.

• 8:38Corinne Vien?

  I got the sense that she was sad, but just observing me, and so I wasn't really scared. After we made eye contact for a moment, she turned and walked towards my closet and then disappeared.

• 8:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Home.

• 8:51Corinne Vien?

  A few nights after that, I was awoken by my dog standing at the foot of my bed, looking into the corner of the room and just growling. Keep in mind, my dog does not growl. I'm pretty sure if there was an intruder, he'd happily jump on them for attention. Now, I had just bought a new humidifier and that was running in the general area, so maybe he was just confused. I didn't see anything and I'm not really sure what to think of that one, but then it was quiet for a few weeks. Just as I thought things were starting to slow down, one night, I'm out with my boyfriend and some friends when my dog triggers the camera in my living room. He's barking at something outside, which was probably nothing and likely unrelated. But as I watch, tons of orbs begin flying through the windows and around the room.

• 9:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 9:35Corinne Vien?

  And at one point, my dog shakes his head and an orb flies out.

• 9:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Of his head?

• 9:39Corinne Vien?

  Of his head.

• 9:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe it was just a ghost giving him little pets.

• 9:43Corinne Vien?

  I have never caught anything like this on camera before, and I have a security system and have had a security system for years now.

• 9:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is there a video? Do we get?

• 9:50Corinne Vien?

  There is.

• 9:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, fuck yeah.

• 9:52Corinne Vien?

  I'm sending you the video if you want it.

• 9:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, always.

• 9:55Corinne Vien?

  A few weeks after that, I'm upstairs getting ready to head out for the evening when I hear a super loud and forceful knock, three knocks again, at the door. My dog is losing his mind and I walk down to the front door, I open it, and then nothing. I even called out to see if maybe there was someone and they had just walked back down the street, but there was nobody there. My dog proceeds to walk around the house, just looking around, and that really freaks me out. And then, just as I had finally started to put that out of my mind, a few nights ago, I'm out with friends when something trips the motion sensor in the living room camera, but this time, it's not my dog or my cats. At the beginning of this video, in the bottom left corner, you see a shadow dart across the room, and eventually, an orb floats by too.

• 10:40Corinne Vien?

  Keep in mind, this house is empty. No one is home, there is nothing that would create a shadow from behind that camera, and this is the video I've attached for you. Okay, so we don't, we don't have the orb coming out of the dog's head, but we have a shadow darting through.

• 10:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And an orb.

• 10:52Corinne Vien?

  And an orb.

• 10:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh. Okay.

• 10:55Corinne Vien?

  I've captured more videos of orbs in this house, and I've heard some pretty unexplained noises too, but these are the main highlights. Last thing I want to mention is the previous owner and I connected on social media recently.

• 11:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Love.

• 11:06Corinne Vien?

  We didn't get the chance to meet in person when she moved out because she moved out of state, but we have been chatting about the house and she told me some of her experiences. Many of them validate the weird feelings that I get in certain parts of the house. But the one that really blew my mind was when she told me about the young woman she would often see in the small room with the bay window. She said she was never a bother and she kept to herself, but she got the feeling that this woman was very sad.

• 11:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 11:33Corinne Vien?

  She told me this before I even got the chance to tell her about my experience. Well, this was probably too long, but I do hope you enjoyed it. Thank you for reading Devon and then the video.

• 11:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, let's watch the video.

• 11:44Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 11:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 11:50Corinne Vien?

  Ooh.

• 11:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So you can hear what sounds like a dog walking.

• 11:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or it also could be just like the video.

• 12:02Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, cuz it's like a.

• 12:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And now that I think about it, my camera does make that sound that we're hearing. Oh, I see the orb.

• 12:14Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah, the orb comes out of nowhere.

• 12:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, so we're going to slow down this video again and watch the orb.

• 12:23Corinne Vien?

  It definitely doesn't look like how a speck of dust just goes by. It looks like fast, intentional in direction. But I'm going back to the.

• 12:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The shadow.

• 12:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My only thing is the dog walking past that's causing the shadow. Cuz it kind of sounds like a dog walking.

• 12:41Corinne Vien?

  That's it? Okay, let me listen.

• 12:49Corinne Vien?

  It does sound like a dog walking, but I guess my other question is why wouldn't this happen all the time?

• 12:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is.

• 12:55Corinne Vien?

  The dog roams around the house all the time.

• 12:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, what do you guys think of the orb? Did you see it? I mean, this house is obviously haunted and I do want.

• 13:04Corinne Vien?

  There was a cool spooky ass witch that lived there before and did awesome stuff.

• 13:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Saw the same thing, saw the same thing. I am glad that she got the story from the previous owner because my first instinct when I heard the Devon story about the girl seeming sad, I thought it was this spirit being sad that the previous owner had left.

• 13:24Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 13:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it sounds like the spirit is just a sad, sad little squawk spirit.

• 13:29Corinne Vien?

  Melancholy lady just roaming around.

• 13:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is so appropriate for a Victorian home.

• 13:35Corinne Vien?

  Oh, absolutely.

• 13:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Every Victorian home should come with a sad girl.

• 13:38Corinne Vien?

  I like that there are these like, single women living there, you know?

• 13:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, yeah, it's like-

• 13:44Corinne Vien?

  Female empowerment to this lady.

• 13:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All the time.

• 13:46Corinne Vien?

  She gets to witness these strong ass women in her space and maybe it's helping her become a little bit less sad.

• 13:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. This really reminds me of Presence, the movie, and I know I told you about it recently, but highly recommend it to everyone. It's like a beautifully done horror movie about a family drama, but paranormal. It's really, really cool.

• 14:07Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 14:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I really like it.

• 14:09Corinne Vien?

  Was this like, there's a murder?

• 14:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know how to talk about it without giving anything away.

• 14:13Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 14:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But the daughter had lost a friend recently when they move into this house.

• 14:17Corinne Vien?

  Okay, I think I'm mixing it up with something else that someone recently told me.

• 14:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have one from our listener Destiny, and I'm not gonna say what it's called. "Hey Ghouls, I absolutely love your podcast and I wanted to share a quick story with you. As a child, I was about six years old. I lived with my aunt for a short time in Port Angeles, Washington. My cousin and I shared a room at the top of the staircase, and we always heard creaking and footsteps going up and down the stairs. But my aunt always said, 'It's an old house, everything creaks.'" And I started to believe it, until one night, I had an experience that I will never forget. My cousin's and I's bed were side by side, so when I would lay on my side, I would be looking right at him. Well, this particular night, I was woken up by the sound of someone hysterically crying.

• 15:01Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 15:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I thought I would open my eyes and see that my cousin was crying, but instead, I opened my eyes to see him with his blanket pulled up to his nose, completely silent with absolute horror and terror in his eyes. I follow his gaze and turn my head to see what he is looking at. At the end of my bed was an apparition of a woman in a long-sleeved, floor-length, old-timey nightgown, sobbing loudly into her hands.

• 15:32Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 15:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I quickly pulled the blanket over my face and begged her to go away. After a few more seconds, the crying stopped and the woman was gone. We continued to hear the creaking and footsteps, but I never saw her again. Fast forward 20 years later, my grandma is a real estate agent and ends up getting this house as a listing. I told my grandma the story of this crying woman and she told me that when she got the listing, she learned the history of the house. This house used to be a nunnery back in the day and it gave me complete chills to hear that. I knew exactly in that moment that that is what I saw. I saw a woman, a nun, crying.

• 16:10Corinne Vien?

  This is very sad, terrifying to experience, but it makes me really sad.

• 16:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's not that scary. I feel like that experience did open my mind to the paranormal early on and I have become pretty sensitive to spirit energy. I could tell you stories for days. The paranormal has turned into an almost obsession for me and I owe it all to the crying nun. Destiny.

• 16:29Corinne Vien?

  I know that this is obviously not true because people are people, but in my mind, I like to think of nuns or like monks or anyone that just chooses like to be a part of religion and live in a certain way, to just have extreme peace and never have the emotion of feeling sadness. So it makes me really sad that like, you know, she stood, there was something that happened that made her sad.

• 16:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, it's also tough.

• 16:51Corinne Vien?

  To the point of bawling her eyes out.

• 16:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because I wonder what year this house was a nunnery because there is a history of like, young women being sent to nunnaries to become nuns if they were like abnormal or not accepted in society. So I do imagine that there were a lot of sad.

• 17:10Corinne Vien?

  Abandoned.

• 17:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Neglected women who were sent here.

• 17:13Corinne Vien?

  Right. To just be rejected by your family like that.

• 17:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But like, how wild that 20 years later, the story came full circle.

• 17:21Corinne Vien?

  Incredible.

• 17:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And that you saw it with your cousin, like you weren't alone in it.

• 17:25Corinne Vien?

  Well, and this is another thing that why the paranormal is so cool because sometimes something can be, feel like a standalone, like that was a weird thing. Am I remembering that correctly? Did I make that up? Was that a dream? And then years later, you can, other eyewitnesses or other people can add more context into your story that you're just like, holy crap.

• 17:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is why you need to watch your presence.

• 17:49Corinne Vien?

  Okay. I have, I have a big watch list.

• 17:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 17:52Corinne Vien?

  I literally have.

• 17:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Stop everything and watch it. Right now and you can all watch us watch the movie.

• 17:57Corinne Vien?

  I will, I'll watch that because it's easier than me. Actually, a couple of days ago, someone was like, how was your Gilmore Girls journey going? And I was like, well, I last updated, what, three months ago? And that was the last time I watched it.

• 18:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's a lot of it to watch, though.

• 18:10Corinne Vien?

  There's a lot of it to watch.

• 18:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 18:11Corinne Vien?

  And my child doesn't do contact naps anymore. He must be stroller walked, so I can't watch Gilmore Girls.

• 18:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 18:17Corinne Vien?

  While I'm walking around on the streets.

• 18:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You could put it on your stroller.

• 18:20Corinne Vien?

  I know, but then I'm like, do I really want screen time when I'm outside? I should be looking out in the trees and

• 18:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's true.

• 18:26Corinne Vien?

  communing with the owls. Hoot, hoot, hoot, hoot. The poltergeist that haunted my mother.

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• 18:52Corinne Vien?

  It's so great. It's such a good cheat sheet. And then even if you don't want to do the full routine, I love their brilliant eye brightener because I just slap that right on. I wore one of the shades of that to a little seance we did the other day.

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• 19:21Corinne Vien?

  Someone asked us the other day if we had our makeup professionally done when we were wearing a bunch of Thrive. And we're like, wow, no, but thanks.

• 19:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 20:11Corinne Vien?

  Hello coastal witches that sandwiches all with your paranormal experience.

• 20:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh my gosh.

• 20:17Corinne Vien?

  Back when you lived in LA.

• 20:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is the most beautiful way to have put it. For seven years, we were sandwiching the US with our ghostly stories.

• 20:28Corinne Vien?

  They're right, that sounded better in my head, but F it, I'm leaving it.

• 20:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, that was magical.

• 20:32Corinne Vien?

  It sounded great.

• 20:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It sounded amazing. I'll never forget that. Until next week when you ask me what she said and, but it was, in this moment, it was beautiful.

• 20:40Corinne Vien?

  He.

• 20:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, in this moment, it was beautiful. Thank you.

• 20:42Corinne Vien?

  First time listener began listening since July 2023. After listening to the scary roads and that 11 mile road game, my backwoods isolated road home became one of the scariest rides home ever. Great way to stay awake, am I right?

• 20:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fearing that you're accidentally going on an 11 mile road every time you go home.

• 21:01Corinne Vien?

  Sorry. I just fear that I will unwittingly play the 11 mile road game when I meant to just head home or find a nun in my backseat.

• 21:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Great.

• 21:10Corinne Vien?

  She better have some gas money if she wants a ride because this bitch broke. And to those demons too, if they want me to play their stupid games, give me gas money.

• 21:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's gotta be a trade off.

• 21:22Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, Chris will do anything if he is just given gas money.

• 21:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, makes sense.

• 21:27Corinne Vien?

  My name is Chris, he/him, and I noticed it's a long interest, so let me just get to my short story or a long story, who knows? Let us go back to 2004, when my father abandoned my mother, siblings and I in Mexico. He didn't really abandon us, but to 12 year old Chris, he straight up left us behind. His explanation was vague on why he had to go get milk in Chicago, but whatever.

• 21:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He had to go get milk in Chicago.

• 21:52Corinne Vien?

  But going past my childhood trauma, my younger brother Ben and I were starting school in the town that we were living in. And just so you know, my parents grew up in that area, so we weren't living amongst strangers. It's literally a town filled with family members. Summer had just ended and we were starting school in a different county, which was nerve wracking, but in these small towns, the class sizes were small, like so small. In my fifth grade, there were only four of us. There were two fourth graders, three third graders. My brother was one of them.

• 22:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 22:22Corinne Vien?

  Zero second graders and two first graders.

• 22:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whoa, that's tiny.

• 22:26Corinne Vien?

  Twenty people in the town?

• 22:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 22:28Corinne Vien?

  All in one class. Fun times. Anyways, one day, as my mom walked my brother and I to school, she asked us if we were waking up in the middle of the night. And my brother and I told her, no, we weren't. So she just shrugged and that was the end of that.

• 22:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Poor mom.

• 22:41Corinne Vien?

  Poor mom.

• 22:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What is she experiencing?

• 22:43Corinne Vien?

  I know. Weeks went by and that's when we noticed just how jumpy mom was. And how we began to spend more time at her sister's house, my aunt. I heard her telling my aunt that she can't sleep at night because of the stomping. Later, I found out what was happening to my mom.

• 22:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I feel so bad for her.

• 22:58Corinne Vien?

  I know. About a few days after we began school, my mom woke up in the middle of the night to someone stomping around the house. The house we lived in is a one-story house with tile flooring and the stomping tended to echo. She got up thinking it was either my brother or I. And when she stepped out of her room, the stomping would stop. The layout of the house was that my mom's room was at the back door across from the dining room and the kitchen. And next to her room was the bathroom, my older sister's bedroom. And at the time, they both went to live in Chicago with my dad. And then cornering my sister's bedroom was the room that my brother and I shared. Okay, so there were three rooms.

• 23:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 23:31Corinne Vien?

  Three bedrooms, two sisters in one, two brothers in the other. My mom went to our bedroom only to find us fast asleep. Thinking that she had imagined it, she went back to her room, closed her bedroom door, and then the stomping began again. She swung the door open, found the house empty. But she noticed the stomping wasn't coming from the dining room or the kitchen. It was coming from her closet behind her. My mom then grabbed my sleeping two-year-old baby sister, Julia, and just hid under the covers until morning. She would hear the stomping anytime she was alone or at night when we were all sleeping.

• 24:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is like out of a horror movie. I feel like when the kids go to school, the trope is like the mom is now experiencing it alone.

• 24:12Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 24:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And no one else is experiencing it. So it's isolating her, making her lose sleep.

• 24:17Corinne Vien?

  And she's home with a baby.

• 24:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 24:19Corinne Vien?

  My mom was the only one hearing it and she thought she was going crazy. She only told the story to her sister. She really didn't know what to do. And at that point, a month had passed. So my poor mom was probably exhausted at this point. She was tempted to move us into my aunt's house when one of my dad's cousins stopped by the house. And my brother and I were at school and my little sister was playing on the couch. My dad's cousin, Elena, was talking with my mom and the stomping began. My mom didn't say anything, but Elena heard it. She looked over at the closet bedroom door in my mom's room when the stomping got louder. You hear it too? My mom whispered. It's probably the turkey. Do you hear them at night? We noticed they fly at your roof at night. Yeah, the poltergeist that was taunting my mom for a month was a turkey.

• 25:03Corinne Vien?

  Really? I didn't notice, my mom told her as she plots millions of ways to murder this turkey for giving her nightmares and sleepless nights. She then pleaded with my dad's uncle to kill the turkey for a feast. But yeah, the haunting was actually a turkey. We killed it and she ate the shit out of it in anger. I know this isn't paranormal, but for one whole month, my mom thought there was a poltergeist haunting the house.

• 25:26Corinne Vien?

  But I get it because years later I heard it too. It did sound like someone with work boots marching around the house. So I could see why this terrified my mom. See you on the other side, Chris.

• 25:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, this turkey targeted Chris's mom for sure. I mean, the fact that no one else heard it. No one else woke up to it.

• 25:43Corinne Vien?

  That's what's weird. It's no one else heard a big ass turkey flying over like night after night onto the roof and stomping around.

• 25:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The heck?

• 25:51Corinne Vien?

  And why would it stop every time? Other than, you know, the turkey being like hearing movement and being like, is there a predator? You know, every time she got up.

• 25:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Tormented by a turkey.

• 26:00Corinne Vien?

  It was a turkey. Love it.

• 26:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't believe it. I, I think that it was a ghost.

• 26:05Corinne Vien?

  I should have saved that one for the end.

• 26:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, man. Wow. I'm gonna read this one from Sloan. Haunted house, my sister saw dead people and told our mom how she would die.

• 26:16Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God. Okay.

• 26:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey, girls. My name is Sloan and I have loved listening to the podcast. My drive to work is an hour both ways, so your podcast has really helped make the time go by fast. Okay, let's get this shit show started. I was raised in a small town in North Carolina and I was seven when my sister was born and she was just what our family needed.

• 26:35Corinne Vien?

  I love that. That's so cute. Oh, to be so wanted.

• 26:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, and adored. The house we lived in was in a really nice neighborhood, but tucked off the road, surrounded by tall trees. So at night, you couldn't see anything, and I mean nothing. Outside the windows, it was so dark, you could see nothing. I always felt like someone was watching me in that house, but I never had anything weird happen until my sister was born.

• 27:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  When my sister was two, she would go into our dining room by herself and play. One day, my mom heard her talk and walked by and said, honey, who are you talking to? My sister, dead ass, pointed across the room where her ball was and said, the little boy over there won't give me my ball back. Obviously, there was no one there and things like this happened frequently over the next month and it terrified my mom. In one spot of our house, we had this huge antique organ, because my stepdad is really into music. And my sister called my mom into the room and said, mommy, who are those people sitting there playing music? My mom swallowed hard and said, there is no one there, sweetie. To which my sister replied, yes, there is. Don't you hear the music? Which was enough for my mom to lose her shit and call my stepdad back home from work.

• 27:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  While she was waiting for him to get home, she kept asking my sister to describe what they looked like. My sister innocently said, it's a tall man in a black jacket with a large black hat and a little boy. After that, needless to say, the organ was removed from our house and my mom had the house blessed. But things continued. Another time, my mom picked up my sister, who was now three at this time, from preschool. And my sister was sitting in the kitchen, watching TV, coloring randomly and said, mommy, I know how you'll die. You're gonna fall down the steps and land on your face and break your neck. I saw it happen.

• 28:14Corinne Vien?

  What?

• 28:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Horrifying as she's coloring. My mom starts freaking out, but simply said, that's not a very nice thing to say. Eventually, my sister started growing out of seeing people. But when I was in high school, weird things started happening again. We would hear random footsteps up the stairs all the time. One day, there was a face in the window. Like when you touch a cold window and there's frost on it like that. But a full on face with the nose decompressed staring into our living room. Another time, my sister was asleep and woken up to a woman that looked just like our mom in a robe. But when my sister said, Mom, why are you in here? The person just turned around and it was not our mom because she just vanished. After years of strange things, we decided to sell the house and have not had any other issues in our new home. I was looking at a random video the other day of my dog when he was a puppy in our old kitchen.

• 29:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And sure as shit, there is a huge orb in the video, which is attached below. I've also attached the Zillow of our home, but please don't share this on the podcast. So we get to look at it.

• 29:12Corinne Vien?

  Okay, great.

• 29:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Even in the pictures of the house, it just looks dark and spooky. Anyway, thanks for all you do and for sharing our stories. Hearing others' stories make me less afraid of my own and grateful that we didn't have that much action in our house.

• 29:24Corinne Vien?

  You had enough.

• 29:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  From Sloan.

• 29:26Corinne Vien?

  Okay. Okay, I really want to see this house.

• 29:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, let's look at the video first because everyone else can look at that.

• 29:32Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 29:32Speaker 03

  Sit. Stay.

• 29:38Speaker 03

  Good boy. Good boy. Stay. Sit. Stay. Good boy. Good boy. Good boy.

• 29:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Let's slow down Sloan's video as well.

• 29:51Corinne Vien?

  Just for the cuteness of the puppy, right?

• 29:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's hard to think about the paranormal when you're distracted by.

• 29:57Corinne Vien?

  Oh, there it is.

• 29:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The orb. It is also really interesting because I feel like the orb comes at the exact moment. As we're watching this again, that the food is put down and can be eaten. It's almost like a time to eat. Like all the spirits are coming through. The spirits come through at that moment.

• 30:19Corinne Vien?

  They're like, yeah, they get permission to do whatever. All right, let's go. And also, I just feel like if I were a ghost, I'd want to spend. Time around a puppy too. I just feel like our pets are experiencing so much more activity than we know. And like, we only know these because they captured videos of it. But what's happening when we're not home? What's happening to all of our pets? When I die, I would want to be around pets all the time.

• 30:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Absolutely. I'm gonna haunt a house and hang out with the animals, for sure.

• 30:48Corinne Vien?

  Oh, the puppy is so cute. I just wanna smell him.

• 30:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So cute.

• 30:55Corinne Vien?

  I wanna kiss his feet and smell his paws.

• 30:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It looks like you can't find that home when you go to the Zillow link.

• 31:01Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 31:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, it does. It just, my Zillow app wasn't working.

• 31:04Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that's actually really pretty. Why am I like, I wanna live there?

• 31:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Outdoor pizza oven, or just outside fireplace? Ooh.

• 31:11Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that's a nice house. You would see this on Zillow, you'd never know that there were hauntings here.

• 31:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow. Yeah, cuz there's so much natural light and stuff, but...

• 31:20Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Beautiful, beautiful property, beautiful house.

• 31:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Beautiful.

• 31:24Corinne Vien?

  Sorry you can't see it. The lesson of real estate, you never know what's haunted.

• 31:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You never know. Well, I'm glad that your mom has not, and hopefully will not die in the way that your sister described, because...

• 31:35Corinne Vien?

  Because what the hell?

• 31:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or if it happens, it's that really, really old age and...

• 31:39Corinne Vien?

  It's peaceful. Yeah, and that your sister just has premonitions eight years before they actually happen.

• 31:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly.

• 31:45Corinne Vien?

  Let's hope that's how it goes.

• 31:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or maybe it's from a past life.

• 31:48Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what it is. That's what we're saying it is, and that's what it will be, because we put that energy out.

• 31:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I am curious, though, if the current owners do experience anything, cuz it does sound like it was the house. And maybe your sister.

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• 33:01Corinne Vien?

  Okay, I have a story called "Stuck in a Haunted House During a Sandstorm." Hello ladies, I love your podcast. I'll get right into the story because there are many details. My grandfather on my dad's side lives in Glendale, Arizona, in what my family and I believe to be a haunted house. The house itself does not seem old, but there have been many paranormal occurrences in this home. This all happened when I was around eight years old. My grandfather's remarried, so we'll call his wife Mary, and had two other children. The oldest being my age and the youngest being about four years old. We'll call her Susan. We usually stayed at my grandfather's when we visited, but my parents started avoiding staying at the house and got a hotel instead because of arguments between my dad and grandfather.

• 33:44Corinne Vien?

  But while we were driving, a sandstorm began. We were closer to my grandfather's than to the hotel, so we called my grandfather and he told us to stay the night at his house. We got to my grandfather's house very late. His wife Mary had fixed up Susan's room for my sister, brother, and me to sleep in. We get into our pajamas and we fell asleep. I remember waking up late at night, my throat being very dry, and I was way too scared to get up and fumble around in the dark kitchen to get a glass of water. It was so damn hot in the house and I had to quench my thirst. So I got out of bed. I opened the bedroom door and I made sure to shut it behind me so quietly so that I would not wake my siblings.

• 34:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or the ghosts.

• 34:22Corinne Vien?

  I turned the corner of the hallway and into the living room, straight ahead was the kitchen where there was a sliding glass door. I stopped and I felt my heart skip when I thought I saw my grandfather's shadow on the kitchen wall. I thought he was outside the sliding glass door and the moon was casting a shadow into the kitchen on the wall. I could see the shadow had a bottle and was chugging it. But after studying the shadow a bit longer, I realized that the shadow had facial features and clothes. It was an older man. He was dressed in a full suit, vest, a hat, a bowtie.

• 34:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's how I dressed to go get water at night.

• 34:54Corinne Vien?

  Right?

• 34:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Under the moon.

• 34:56Corinne Vien?

  He had a large mustache and he was drinking from a bottle of alcohol. But this figure was transparent.

• 35:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Was it inside or outside? I can't tell.

• 35:06Corinne Vien?

  It sounds like it, I don't know.

• 35:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like right outside the back door or right?

• 35:10Corinne Vien?

  Because at first it seems like it was outside of the back door, behind the glass. But if it's transparent, was it actually just inside?

• 35:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know.

• 35:17Corinne Vien?

  My heart was pounding out of my chest. I sprinted back down the hall and into the bedroom, shutting the door not as quietly as I did before. Jumped back into bed, threw the covers over my head. And luckily, my siblings are heavy sleepers. But I had so much trouble falling back to sleep. But eventually I did. The next morning, I woke up to find my siblings still sleeping next to me. I tried to make myself feel better by considering my groggy brain had just been playing tricks on me last night. I got up out of bed and I walked down the hall into the living room and I saw all of the adults having coffee in the kitchen. They saw me and said, good morning. And that's when I asked my grandfather, were you up late last night? And he looked confused and he said, no, why? I applied, last night I saw a man in the kitchen. Everyone was quiet. They all looked concerned.

• 36:00Corinne Vien?

  Then my grandfather said, are you serious? I got worried and then I said, I was thirsty last night. I came out for some water, but there was a man in a suit drinking out of a bottle. Mary began to panic and my grandfather tried calming her down. It's okay, calm down, it's okay. We didn't talk about my encounter for the rest of the visit. We stayed at a hotel the rest of the trip. But on the last day, while we were packing up to leave for home, I asked my dad why Mary was so distraught when I told them what I saw. That is when my father told me that Mary had some very aggressive and scary encounters in the house.

• 36:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, poor Mary.

• 36:32Corinne Vien?

  Dad said that a long time ago, there was a husband, a wife and two kids that lived in this house. The father was an alcoholic. He was very violent with his wife and children. Eventually, the husband killed the wife out of jealousy for her being too friendly with other men. He later killed his two children before taking his own life. Mary had been attacked on multiple occasions with flying objects. Once she was hit over the head with plates while cleaning in the kitchen. She experienced sleep paralysis during the day. While napping, she saw two children in her closet. The children would slowly walk up to her and stroke her hair and face.

• 37:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, these poor kids.

• 37:10Corinne Vien?

  No one believed her until that morning, when I shared my experience. My grandfather then had the house blessed. I literally, I have chills.

• 37:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, it's so sad because it's so active, meaning that these spirits are still like experiencing.

• 37:25Corinne Vien?

  And also just for Mary, like her panic in that moment was probably like the panic of this thing is here still. And also.

• 37:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A little bit of relief.

• 37:34Corinne Vien?

  People are finally going to believe me. Oh, I'm not going crazy. Someone else saw it too.

• 37:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 37:41Corinne Vien?

  My grandfather had the house blessed not long after this trip and the activity stopped. They still live in that house today. From Andrea.

• 37:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. Well, first of all, that background is absolutely horrific and I hate that that happened and it does happen. It's awful, just awful, absolutely awful. I'm hopeful that in getting the house blessed and acknowledging the existence of these spirits, that they are no longer being tormented by their murderer.

• 38:08Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 38:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know, and that the kids are.

• 38:10Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 38:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The way that the kids were.

• 38:12Corinne Vien?

  They're so sweet.

• 38:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Trying to protect Mary.

• 38:14Corinne Vien?

  They're still stroking her face and so gentle.

• 38:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Means that they probably did that for their mom too. And clearly all of the spirits saw the mom in Mary because the way that the ghost of that man was treating her.

• 38:27Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God.

• 38:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my God. All right. Well, I have one to end this on and I don't know necessarily that it's going to like pick us up. But it's not as bad.

• 38:37Corinne Vien?

  Do.

• 38:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's not as horrible.

• 38:39Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 38:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Uh, this is from our listener E and it's called haunted real estate. They told me a man died in the house and we still bought it. Spoiler, it is totally haunted. Hey, Spukaladies, apropos of your legally haunted episode and your request for haunted real estate stories, here is mine. In 2017, my family was on the market for a bigger home and we found a big old home in Pasadena, California, that fit the bill and our budget. It was a trust sale, which usually means the owner has died. And the realtor let us know that the owner had in fact died within the house of natural causes. Undeterred, we went to an open house and fell in love with it. It sits high up on a hill, has incredible views, tons of vintage charm, and from what we could detect, no bad vibes.

• 39:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My kid, who was two at the time, is a total creepy kid and I brought her to the home. And as we walked around, I kept asking her if we were alone or if she saw anyone else in the house. And she said, no. I love bring your two year old around to make sure that the house isn't haunted.

• 39:39Corinne Vien?

  Right. It's like every time you see someone, can you point to them? That's the game.

• 39:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 39:44Corinne Vien?

  You're like, oh, yes, there is a man. And then in the next room, they're like, look at that old lady. And you're like, not moving in.

• 39:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. It was during this tour with my kid when I noticed that the front door showed evidence of having been kicked in and the carpet in one room was ripped out. I understood then, and it was later confirmed that the previous owner had died in the home and had not been discovered for some time.

• 40:06Corinne Vien?

  Yikes.

• 40:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Still, dear reader, we were undeterred. We placed an offer on the home, hired an inspector to come check it for issues, roof, plumbing, foundation, et cetera. Our realtor and the inspector heard noises in the home and clearly smelled smoke. They searched for the source of the noises and smoky smell, but found nothing. And this smell of smoke was quite strong, so they called the trust realtor and reported it, advising the trust realtor to come to the house at once and to call the fire department. The home was searched, and again, there was nothing to be found. For some reason, we were still undeterred. The sale went through and we moved in. At first, it was quiet, but then strange things started happening. My toddler started saying the craziest, creepiest shit.

• 40:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And when we asked her who had told her these things, she would say, and I quote, "My guys in my room." Who were these guys? And when did she talk to them? And why, why are they my guys?

• 40:59Corinne Vien?

  My guys, my boys.

• 41:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She reported that they were old guys and they visited her in her bedroom at night. I am imagining this two-year-old like at the poker table, smoking like cigars with the old, the old guys.

• 41:11Corinne Vien?

  Chilling with the grandpas.

• 41:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The things they told her included how they died in great detail. One guy was very old and had already lost his wife to illness. His kids, two boys and a girl, had grown up and moved out and had families on their own and rarely visited. Like, these are things a two-year-old doesn't make up.

• 41:28Corinne Vien?

  A wild amount of detail for a two-year-old to provide.

• 41:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He died in his house one night when his house caught fire. And not only did he die in the fire, but he had two cars in the garage that also burnt, and he was very upset about his cars.

• 41:43Corinne Vien?

  So the toddler just already had all this information, meaning they were just kind of all conversating about this anyway?

• 41:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Late at night in her bedroom, yeah.

• 41:51Corinne Vien?

  Just came up in conversation?

• 41:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Another guy said that he died and that he went to the sky, but then nothing happened. She would drop these nuggets randomly, sometimes turning them into long ballads that she would sing to us. She was two. She was not in daycare. We didn't own a TV, and we couldn't figure out a logical place where she picked up these stories.

• 42:12Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God.

• 42:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two, we started hearing-

• 42:16Corinne Vien?

  I'm just picturing all these old men too, where it's like, she's asking them hard questions in the middle of the night and they're like, "She's just a child. How do we tell her?" "We'll tell her with her song." And then they're just like, "I die and my car's got fire. I really am still mad."

• 42:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's so funny. I also imagine like they're like in a jazz band for some reason. I don't know.

• 42:38Corinne Vien?

  It's a quartet.

• 42:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It is. We started hearing footsteps in this house. If we were upstairs, we heard the footsteps in the stairwell. And if we were downstairs, we heard them upstairs in the rooms above us. One night in particular was super spooky. It was winter time and we had just put our daughter to bed. We had recently moved her to a toddler bed and she was potty training. So she had this fun new habit of sneaking out of bed, coming upstairs to where we would inevitably be watching the Winter Olympics on my laptop. She would then announce that she had to pee and we'd bring her her little plastic potty. And she would sit and watch snowboarding or whatever with us for a few minutes before we brought her back downstairs to bed. On this particular night, my partner and I were sitting together and we both heard her coming up the stairs.

• 43:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was a very particular sound. Stomp, stomp, pause, stomp, stomp, because her legs were so short and the flight of stairs were quite long. We listened to her make her way up the stairs and sort of submerged each other like, oh, this fucking kid. We heard her reach the top of the stairs, but she didn't enter the living room. We called out to her. No answer. I went to look for her. Nothing. I then went downstairs and found her passed asleep in her bed. My partner, who swears he does not believe in the paranormal, was very shook. We agreed that it felt like whatever walked up the stairs wanted us to think it was my daughter and that whatever it was, wasn't 100% friendly. But here's the most unnerving bit. This was just after the birth of my second kid.

• 44:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So now my daughter is three years old and she says to me very matter-of-factly, "Mommy, do you want to know what happens to you when you die, but the doctors don't know how you died?" I said, no kiddo, what happens? And she went on to describe an autopsy and used her little hands to show where the incisions start and end, how the rib cage is opened, and how organs are lifted out and inspected. I listened to her and when she was done, I said, yes kiddo, that's called an autopsy. And that's how doctors try to learn more about how someone died. And then I said, what incredibly smart person told you all about that? And she said, very nonchalantly, my guys in my room. That night-

• 44:44Corinne Vien?

  They really cover everything in conversation, don't they?

• 44:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Seriously. That night, after she went to bed, you better believe I called everyone who has access to my daughter, my mom, my mother-in-law, everyone. And I asked if they had somehow discussed this topic with her, or if they had left the TV on where she had seen something about the topic. But no one-

• 45:03Corinne Vien?

  Calling grandma, did you like deeply describe the ins and outs of-

• 45:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Performing an autopsy?

• 45:10Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. How to cut someone open?

• 45:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like ripping open the rib cage?

• 45:14Corinne Vien?

  The chest cavity, yeah.

• 45:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All of it.

• 45:15Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 45:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But of course, no one had.

• 45:18Corinne Vien?

  Of course.

• 45:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And that was just the beginning. We have now been here for nearly six years and have had more experiences than I can count. Some pretty terrifying, some just playful. My daughter, who is now almost eight, no longer talks about her guys, but she really hates being alone in any room of the house. Last summer, we did some renovations and during the demo phase, we found some super spooky items in a wall. An old teddy bear, a baby blanket, a black garbage bag. And when the workers removed these items, after weeks of refusing to touch them, because literally no one wanted to touch them, including us, a whole new round of weird shit started happening. And now I'm pretty sure that we have two active entities in the home, when previously we only had one. Great. Oh no. From E.

• 46:01Corinne Vien?

  I'm obsessed with your child.

• 46:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My guys in my room.

• 46:04Corinne Vien?

  My guys!

• 46:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My guys in my room!

• 46:06Corinne Vien?

  It was just my guys! This feels like only murders in the building.

• 46:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right?

• 46:11Corinne Vien?

  Your child is Selena Gomez, just with a bunch of older men as her friends. My guys!

• 46:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My guys!

• 46:17Corinne Vien?

  An unlikely friendship, where the conversation is bizarre, but it's always interesting. And that's why you gotta tune in in the middle of the night.

• 46:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'd be curious to learn more about the guy who lived in the home, who did die in the home before, because it sounds like he had a group of guys, like his guy friends-

• 46:31Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 46:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  -who perhaps had passed away before he did, and they were all waiting for him. And now they all have their nightly poker nights in the house.

• 46:41Corinne Vien?

  Every night is guys' night.

• 46:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It happens to be in your daughter's room.

• 46:47Corinne Vien?

  Also, like, do you have a baby monitor? Have you ever heard anything? Is this happening in dream world? In the astral plane where your your child just like constantly in her dreams day hanging out with my guys? With her guys? I'm so curious.

• 47:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I want to know more. I kind of love my guys.

• 47:02Corinne Vien?

  I love my guys too. They're the best haunting. I want to live there.

• 47:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, can we move in? Oh, I'd be so curious if you use ghost tube in her room and tried to contact my guys.

• 47:13Corinne Vien?

  Also, ask questions to my guys. Ask your daughter to ask my guys some questions.

• 47:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Could we do a live conversation? And we'll watch you use ghost tube and talk to the the guys?

• 47:24Corinne Vien?

  The guys seem really cool.

• 47:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  OK, this was a better one to end on.

• 47:27Corinne Vien?

  Knowledge. Yeah, this was a great one to end on.

• 47:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's a little creepy, but also silly and fun.

• 47:31Corinne Vien?

  Also, it makes me wonder, like, was one of them an autopsy tech? Or they just were super into forensic files?

• 47:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or did they explain what happened to them? Because they watched the autopsy happen to their body after they had passed away. Because it's also so specific, the way that her daughter asked, do you know what happens to your body when you die? And the doctors don't know what happened to you? And then explains an autopsy. So it's almost like my guys, one of them was like, yeah, and when I died, the doctors didn't know how I died. So they did this thing called an autopsy. And I watched them rip open my rib cage, like all of these things.

• 48:07Corinne Vien?

  Which is not normally appropriate to talk to a child about those things.

• 48:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Definitely not.

• 48:12Corinne Vien?

  But it does sound like this two year old, she's very receptive. And she finds it quite fascinating.

• 48:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 48:19Corinne Vien?

  She's going to be the smartest two year old ever. She's going to come in with a million anecdotes.

• 48:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe she'll be a doctor and it's all thanks to my guys.

• 48:25Corinne Vien?

  My guys. It's like, when did you first know you wanted to get into the medical field? Well, I used to hang out with these old ghosts and they would describe their autopsies to me. When I was two.

• 48:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I couldn't get it out of my head. And also, she's now going to love cars. Because this one guy who died in a fire was more upset about his cars being destroyed.

• 48:44Corinne Vien?

  She's going to know all about cars, all about car parts.

• 48:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, I am so curious if you could learn more about this man, find out who he hung out with, and like if there is one of his friends who had died the way that your daughter is explaining.

• 48:56Corinne Vien?

  Right, especially because it does feel like a small town or like small county. Most places are.

• 49:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Pasadena, yeah.

• 49:02Corinne Vien?

  It's kind of big. Oh, oh, I missed that it was Pasadena.

• 49:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 49:05Corinne Vien?

  But still, like, some, two cars catching fire accompanying a death.

• 49:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And that's why they smelt smoke.

• 49:11Corinne Vien?

  Like, that feels like you would still in Pasadena. Pasadena is big, but it's not that big.

• 49:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, I know. Also, I hope you're safe with all the fires that just happened.

• 49:19Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And I hope if your child ever wants a tattoo, that the first tattoo she gets is my guess.

• 49:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My guess. Wow. I love this episode. I love this topic. I mean, so many of you live in haunted houses or experience things in your home.

• 49:34Corinne Vien?

  The classic ghost story.

• 49:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So please email us any paranormal encounter that you have to [email protected]. And join us on Patreon for bonus content and for all episodes one week early and ad-free, plus campfire stories and stickers and so much more.

• 49:51Corinne Vien?

  You can rate and review on iTunes, tell everybody about us. Shout out to Jamie Ryan, who edits and produces Two Girls One Ghost. And thank you to all of you. We love you.

• 49:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we will.

• 50:00Corinne Vien?

  See you on the other side.

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