#2393 - Bryan Callen

Bryan Callen is a comedian and actor. He’s the host of the “Off Limits” podcast and co-host of “The Fighter and the Kid” with Brendan Schaub. Check out his new comedy special "False Gods" on YouTube now. www.bryancallen.comwww.youtube.com/@BryanCallenComedy Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Visible. Live in the know. Join today at https://www.visible.com/rogan Take 50% off a SimpliSafe system at https://simplisafe.com/ROGAN Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  Let me tell you, I was at Terran Tactical and I was shooting and I, and Logan Paul was there and I just met him. And I hit a dove.

• 0:24Joe Rogan?

  Nah.

• 0:24Speaker 01

  I grazed a dove somehow, right?

• 0:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh no.

• 0:27Speaker 01

  And the dove is dying there.

• 0:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they do fly around there. Oh no.

• 0:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I, so I'm, Logan and I come up and I grabbed the dove and I'm gonna wring its neck so it doesn't suffer. And Logan, Logan goes, "Wait, hold, let me just see it." And he takes it in his hands and, and, and instead of me wringing its neck, because I don't want it to suffer, I swear to God, it was all, you know how you're, the wing is like this? His, his Jesus energy, his, whatever his energy is, he held it in both hands, I swear to God, the thing kinda just went, just kinda put its wing back again and just fucking flew out of his hands. And I was like, alright, well.

• 1:04Joe Rogan?

  Wow, you were gonna kill it.

• 1:05Speaker 01

  I was gonna kill it. I was like, alright.

• 1:07Joe Rogan?

  They are delicious.

• 1:08Speaker 01

  Maybe that's Logan's celebrity power.

• 1:10Joe Rogan?

  Do you know that it's like the most hunted bird in North America?

• 1:13Speaker 01

  Listen, pigeons delicious.

• 1:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:15Speaker 01

  And I was just hunting them in London, sir, on the outskirts of London. I just got back.

• 1:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I was like, in the city? I don't think you're allowed to do that.

• 1:23Speaker 01

  This is why, this is why I can't do anything. Look at me.

• 1:25Joe Rogan?

  What's the matter?

• 1:26Speaker 01

  I don't know how to do this. Help me.

• 1:28Joe Rogan?

  It's like a door. You open the, yeah, like that. I know, it's weird.

• 1:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you know, I should be like.

• 1:33Joe Rogan?

  They're all different.

• 1:34Speaker 01

  I get pissed when I can't figure out a little shit like that.

• 1:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:36Speaker 01

  Like a child's seat. I'm like, okay. And I go, I look at my wife, I go, "You do it."

• 1:40Joe Rogan?

  What is, what is about men that we don't read directions?

• 1:44Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:44Joe Rogan?

  I never read directions.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Never.

• 1:46Joe Rogan?

  I open the box, like, "Look at this fucking bullshit. Put that aside. I don't need this. No, I'll figure this out."

• 1:52Speaker 01

  My, my wife, remember one time when my kid was really young, I had to put together a child's bed. And I'm like, "I can do it." And I go to put the bed together and, and. Well, I couldn't. I, I couldn't, cuz there were directions. And I was like, the screws, you know how they number the screws?

• 2:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 2:11Speaker 01

  And I'm sitting there like this, and I'm making noises, I'm going, "Huh, huh." My wife's like, "What's wrong with you?" I'm like, "Stay out of the room." Apparently, she gave me the, "Get out of the room, I got this."

• 2:21Joe Rogan?

  You should do hard cardio before you put together any child's-

• 2:24Speaker 01

  Dude, no, this is what I did.

• 2:25Joe Rogan?

  Just get calm.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  I called, I called my buddy, and I go, "I'll give you $300, you come over here right now, put this bed together." He, he builds houses, he comes over, he goes, "It's four slats and a frame." Kind of a moron, are ya? He couldn't believe it. I was like, "Mm, shut up."

• 2:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's different, though. That's a guy who's used to using his hands.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42Joe Rogan?

  Not a delicate man like yourself.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  That's correct, sir. I have soft, I have soft hands. I have, I'm, by the way, fresh, if I have some marks on my face, I'm fresh, fresh from the, uh, from the mat of doing takedowns at 58. That's a good time. Ah, it's a great time.

• 2:56Joe Rogan?

  How's your back? You alright?

• 2:57Speaker 01

  You know what, dude? My back is actually good, because I, I've mastered the art of warming up.

• 3:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's good. That's smart.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  I'm pedantic about it. Like, they make fun of me, and I'm like, "Fuck off."

• 3:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you should.

• 3:08Speaker 01

  I do my bird dogs, my fire hydrants, all that shit.

• 3:10Joe Rogan?

  You know Muhammad Ali used to work out for, uh, well, he used to warm up, rather, for an hour before he worked out?

• 3:14Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

• 3:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I watched Manny Pacquiao-

• 3:17Speaker 01

  I didn't know that, but that's how you stay from getting injured.

• 3:19Joe Rogan?

  I did this thing with, uh, Tosh, Daniel Tosh and I, um, at, at, uh, Wild Card Gym, where Tosh was getting punched by Manny, and I was like, help, it was like some silly sketch we were doing.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:30Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, but Manny was there for a real workout day, and just kindly, uh, allowed Tosh, like, 20 minutes of his time, and they did this little thing. Um, but I got to see Manny work out. It is very meticulous. It's all like these, he's working out with rubber bands, where it's like short little movements, and, and it's all these twisting and turning, and he's got guys stretching him, he's like, you know, he's moving around, like, everything's very slow.

• 3:59Speaker 01

  Very slow.

• 4:00Joe Rogan?

  Get the body warmed up first.

• 4:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:03Joe Rogan?

  His first couple of rounds, if you, we watched him hit the mitts, his first couple of rounds of even hitting the mitts, it's like, "Tap, tap."

• 4:08Speaker 01

  Tap.

• 4:08Joe Rogan?

  Tap, tap.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  Just move.

• 4:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just get everything, get everything flowing.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  I watched, uh, Olympic ice skaters. I was, I was doing a gig at Laugh Boston, and they had some huge tournament. And this woman was in there, she was apparently an Olympian, watching the way she warms up, like, like, like her ankles rubbing down, all these little details. I was like, that looks boring as shit, but

• 4:29Joe Rogan?

  It is.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  You have to do it.

• 4:30Joe Rogan?

  You have to.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  You have to.

• 4:31Joe Rogan?

  Otherwise you wind up all busted up and broken.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  But that, it allows me to actually wrestle.

• 4:36Joe Rogan?

  Did you?

• 4:36Speaker 01

  Like, to be 58 and actually shooting single and double legs against the monsters in

• 4:41Joe Rogan?

  That's silly.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  And I'm with, you know, Shawn Aparson or Tyson Mendias, those guys at archetype boxing, they're just all muscle.

• 4:47Joe Rogan?

  And you're wrestling with them?

• 4:48Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 4:49Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  And then Tim Kennedy, those guys.

• 4:51Joe Rogan?

  Are you planning on getting hurt? Are you trying to get hurt?

• 4:53Speaker 01

  Well, well, I, I usually

• 4:56Joe Rogan?

  Screws to why, why you feel pain?

• 4:57Speaker 01

  My, my advantage is I, I just go, I make a, I make a weird noise and then I fall, yeah.

• 5:02Joe Rogan?

  Woman?

• 5:02Speaker 01

  I go like this, ah, and I tap or I fall down.

• 5:06Joe Rogan?

  Did you see that video I sent you of that 80-year-old woman who completed an Ironman?

• 5:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 5:10Joe Rogan?

  80 years old, she completed an Ironman triathlon, which is, I think it's 120 miles on a bike, and then it's a marathon, and how, what is, how long is the swim? Did I send it to you, Jamie?

• 5:22Speaker 01

  I think it's two miles, 2.6 miles.

• 5:23Joe Rogan?

  That is so crazy. She's 80 years old.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I think if you keep, if you do something every day like that, I, I actually think you can

• 5:36Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 5:36Speaker 01

  It's, it's just true.

• 5:37Joe Rogan?

  You keep a lot.

• 5:38Speaker 01

  Like, like, what people never do is they, they don't do any sprints.

• 5:41Joe Rogan?

  I don't know how to say her last name, Grabao, Grabo?

• 5:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:45Joe Rogan?

  Either way, Natalie, you're a monster. Amazing. 80 years old.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  So nuts.

• 5:50Joe Rogan?

  She became the oldest woman to finish the Ironman World Championship.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  God.

• 5:55Joe Rogan?

  That is so incredible.

• 5:56Speaker 01

  3.8 kilometer swim.

• 5:57Joe Rogan?

  Wow. 180 kilometer. So whatever that is in miles.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  180, that's like 180 kilometers, miles is like 5,000 miles. I'm not, I'm not going to.

• 6:05Joe Rogan?

  Uh, I, I think what they're doing this kilometer, this must be a UK website, it's Covering this, because I think it's all done in miles.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:15Joe Rogan?

  I believe.

• 6:15Speaker 01

  I've never had an interest in endurance stuff. Do you?

• 6:18Joe Rogan?

  Um, I have an interest in it, but here's the thing. It doesn't matter, Jamie. It's a lot.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:26Joe Rogan?

  Anyway, this, whatever this lady did is fucking incredible. We don't need to break it down exactly to miles, but I'm pretty sure it's like a hundred and twenty mile bike ride. And a full marathon, I mean, at eighty, all in a day, and a two mile, whatever swim. What the fuck?

• 6:42Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 6:42Joe Rogan?

  The lady's a beast.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. You're, it's a beast. That's crazy.

• 6:45Joe Rogan?

  That's just will. That's just having a fucking iron will. The problem with that is it will consume your life.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 6:54Joe Rogan?

  That would, that, that obsession with endurance will consume your life. And you can let it do that if that's what you're into. If like you want to find peace in the punishment that you give yourself, like David Goggins does. When I talked to him, he's so, he's so crazy because he's doing all this stuff by himself for no reason.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:13Joe Rogan?

  Uh, he goes, I'm getting lessons.

• 7:16Joe Rogan?

  He's telling me he's like learning things and he's not bullshitting.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  No.

• 7:19Joe Rogan?

  Like he's, he really, it's like, he's like a strange type of a monk that we've never had before.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  So let me ask you, the question is, is it a, is he a monk, which he probably is, or is he an addict? And you, maybe you can be both.

• 7:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can be both. I think monks are addicts too, because they're addicted to being calm.

• 7:40Joe Rogan?

  They don't want any women in their life. They don't want any possessions. Like dude, I'm good.

• 7:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:45Joe Rogan?

  I'm addicted to just being like this.

• 7:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, they, they were doing this, this, um, neuroplasticity, kind of like these scans, and they found that the monks that sit around and meditate on joy. You know, they like think of the joyous things that that part of their brain expands. Okay, I mean.

• 8:01Joe Rogan?

  They should talk to Charlie Sheen because he was telling me a story about how he got his dick sucked while he was smoking crack for the very first time, and it was the greatest experience of his life.

• 8:08Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:09Joe Rogan?

  He said, to this day, nothing's topped it. The greatest experience of his life was the first time he smoked crack, a girl was giving him head.

• 8:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, you know.

• 8:17Joe Rogan?

  So tell that monk to go fuck himself.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  My friend who did heroin, he, he, um, well, I may as well say it, Artie Lange. Artie said, he said it on the podcast. He said, um, he did heroin the first time and as his head hit the pillow, he went, I'm in trouble.

• 8:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:35Speaker 01

  This is just, I'm going to chase this dragon.

• 8:37Joe Rogan?

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• 10:40Joe Rogan?

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• 11:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, man. That shit'll, for some people, that shit'll grab you.

• 11:29Joe Rogan?

  I think for most people, that shit grabs you. Yeah, I think you have to be like averse to doing things that'll fuck your life up. Like you have to have like an automatic, like maybe you grew up around alcoholics or something like that, or you saw, I didn't, none of my, like I didn't have like a, anyone in my family that ruined their life with alcohol. But I did have friends that had, uh, close relatives that I saw become addicted to cocaine. And I saw this when I was in high school. So I got like really scared of addiction. And I also, when I was working construction, there was this fucking dude that I was friends with who was really cool. He was, uh, an older guy, I mean, older than me, and I was like 16 at the time, 17.

• 12:12Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, he was probably in his early 30s, but he couldn't keep his shit together. He just couldn't stop drinking. And he would, he would be good for a while and then he would start drinking again. And, um, man, he was so funny. He was so fun. He was like such a cool guy and he was a drummer in a band. And the band just, you know, never kind of, his name was Robbie. And the band never kind of fucking got it together, but...

• 12:42Joe Rogan?

  He was like, like, he could have been my best friend if like we were the same age and we were hanging out together.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  It's just not sustainable.

• 12:49Joe Rogan?

  But I was watching a man who was a carpenter, he was a Finnish carpenter. And, uh, you know, very talented carpenter, but he would just ruin his life every few months. Both, both booze and coke, but booze would start it off. It would be, you know, he'd all of a sudden be drinking a Budweiser and then it was off to the races.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  I don't, that's the thing about, uh, addiction. You know, I, I, or just anything in life, if you wanna be good at something, I actually don't think you can do it necessarily. I mean, some people can maybe, but I don't know how long. When you say, when you talk about discipline, when you say, I'm just not gonna do it. You, you, that works for some people, but I don't think it works for people like that. I think what they have to do is figure out, yeah. They have to figure out a way to make sobriety more pleasurable than the other thing. And that's fucking hard.

• 13:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, Jimmy Norton, you know, his mom famously said when he was like hooked on hookers. She's like, Jimmy, you gotta take your addictions and channel it into something positive. Like, it was really funny. He'd talk about like how fucking off the rails he was, but how his mom would help him. You know, like with that piece of advice, but that is true. Like, so if you can all of a sudden become a marathon runner, when before you were just looking to score meth every day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you definitely, that's a better thing to be addicted to because it's not gonna ruin your life. It might ruin your ankles and your knees and shit, but it's not gonna ruin your life where it like takes away all your money and you, you wind up sucking dick for rocks, you know, like, people do stuff.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  They do. Well, do you remember I said to you, I remember we were talking and I said, I think you had gotten some, you know, it was in the press. You made some, signed some deal or something and I said. You know, I've known you thirty years. And the one thing, the only thing that's changed about you is you've gotten more peace of mind. Like, you just haven't changed, really. Like, you just not, you haven't changed. And I said, what do you think it is? Which I'm always careful about talking about, because I don't want anybody, any of my friends to get into their head about it, right?

• 14:53Joe Rogan?

  Right, you could get in your head, yeah.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  Like, don't start asking too many questions. But I was like, gently kind of going, I wonder, we were kind of exploring what it is that keeps you grounded. And I, you said to me, I like to do something really hard every day, so it reminds me what a bitch I am. Well, that, that's the same thing I feel about, I wrestle almost four days a week now, which is ridiculous. It's actually embarrassing, right? But I do it because it, it, it's hard. And I don't want to. And I have to warm my frame up, and then I have to go wrestle around with these fucking monsters. But there's something about it, getting better at it, kind of slowly, the incremental, incremental getting better at something. And I do it because it's hard. That grounds me. No matter what, I know I did that today.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  And that's a really good starting point.

• 15:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's something, there's something that, you know, and if someone's listening and they're not into that, you don't, definitely don't have to do that. Just try to do yoga every day. Try to go to one of those Bikram ninety-minute hot yoga classes. Some of the hardest shit I've ever done physically in my life.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  No shit.

• 15:59Joe Rogan?

  So you don't have to, like, go wrestle. You could do something that more aligns with your political ideology.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  No, I always say that. If you're, especially, I can't speak to women, if you're a young man, you want to find yourself, just get really good at something. Like, just get good at fucking the piano. I don't care what it is. I, I always use jiu-jitsu or something like that, just because it's hard, but it's, it's a, it's a placeholder for a lot of other things.

• 16:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, it also lets you know that there's a process in life that you can apply, like, universally. And that is like focus and attention, and, you know, and this

• 16:32Joe Rogan?

  Objective goal of getting better. And then you see progress. And then you realize like, oh, this is kind of applicable to just being a human being. Like, you can get better at being a human being by, by thinking about, okay, I fucked that up. I fucked this up, but I did that good. Uh, what did I do differently? Oh, okay, let's do more of that. And then, over time, you get better at being a human being.

• 16:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:57Joe Rogan?

  Right? But if you don't ever try to get good at anything.

• 17:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:00Joe Rogan?

  You're the same douchebag you were when you were in high school.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 17:03Joe Rogan?

  But now you're forty-eight instead of sixteen. Yeah, and you're, you have the emotional maturity of a child. And there's a lot of people out there running around like that, that are just grown up babies.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  I know.

• 17:15Joe Rogan?

  And they mask it with, they'll mask it with a good vocabulary.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, or they'll mask it with, uh, like, um, you know, part of like, everybody wants to be an individual, right? You wanna be a little mysterious, you wanna have a little, like, a skill set. And one of the great things about stand-up is, you know, no matter where I am, I know I got that. Like, I'll, put me in front of a group, a crowd of a hundred, two hundred, three hundred people, doesn't matter. I don't care who they are, I'm gonna make them laugh. I know how to navigate that space for an hour. That's a nice thing to know, but if you don't have that, you don't have a skill set, if you don't have something. What happens is, you then negotiate individuality with, um, accoutrement, as they say in France, which means...

• 17:53Joe Rogan?

  You might dye your hair blue.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  Of course, and, and get all kinds of tattoos, and then, and then do some crazy shit, yeah, yeah.

• 18:00Joe Rogan?

  Down on my t-.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  But you have no face tattoos.

• 18:02Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, not yet.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  But you're gonna do, you're gonna do a lot of shit.

• 18:05Joe Rogan?

  Get a heart on the tip of my nose.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, yes. Get your nipples, get two hearts on your nipples.

• 18:11Joe Rogan?

  Or get them pierced, that's the best.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  That's hot.

• 18:14Joe Rogan?

  That's what you need. You're definitely making good decisions.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  Fifty-eight years old.

• 18:17Joe Rogan?

  Rods through your nipples and you're a man.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  It's a new look, I'm trying something out.

• 18:21Joe Rogan?

  L O L.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  But you know what I mean? You'll do that. And then you'll attach yourself to some political cause.

• 18:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all those people that are protesting on the streets, ninety-nine percent of them are losers. The other ones work for the Fed.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  I have a whole joke about that, it's like, fucking, uh... You know.

• 18:37Joe Rogan?

  It's FBI agents and losers, that's all it is. The whole fucking, every protest.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 18:43Joe Rogan?

  Is FBI agents and losers.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  I talk about this all the time, I'm like, for me, you want me to join a protest? You want me to get out on the street, first of all, to make a sign? The fuck out of here, and then.

• 18:53Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to make the sign, there's a guy with a van, who's paid by George Soros.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 18:57Joe Rogan?

  And he's got stacks of signs that were made at Kinko's. Okay, they're not homemade at all. And you just fucking, just pass those bad boys out.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  I'm never leading a revolution, my problem is, my sign would say, "Ugh," or "It's complicated."

• 19:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, if you're really trying to get your life together. But there's some things, you know, that people feel need to be protested, like people in the UK. Like, they're a polite group, this is polite society, England, for the most part, you know? And they've gotten to the point where they're like, "Okay, this is kinda nuts."

• 19:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:30Joe Rogan?

  Like, "What are you guys doing?" They've arrested 12,000 people this year for social media posts.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  Isn't that insane?

• 19:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  And counting.

• 19:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and they're arresting people for just saying things in public like, "I like bacon," around Muslims. Yeah.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  Is that true?

• 19:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  Cause you're being annoying, I looked up that, it's some kind of an information act, that, and if you, one of the things is if you post annoying. Annoying. I was like, "What?"

• 19:58Joe Rogan?

  That's everything I've ever posted. I am annoyed.

• 20:01Speaker 01

  And the Brits are famously sarcastic.

• 20:04Joe Rogan?

  Right, and also it depends entirely on who you are. Because like, what's annoying to me might not be remotely annoying to other people. So I get to decide whether or not you've committed a crime.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  They would have arrested Trump 50,000 times, you know?

• 20:18Joe Rogan?

  At least.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  But, that's, that's, I always say that the Brits, the Brits, I don't wake them up.

• 20:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 20:25Speaker 01

  Because they come alive, that small island of pale people conquered the fucking world.

• 20:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  Don't, don't be, like, cause I think that there's, the Irish too, like, be careful now.

• 20:36Joe Rogan?

  Same thing.

• 20:36Speaker 01

  Be careful, because they're very comfortable in a couple situations, they come alive and, when it comes to soccer, i.e. football.

• 20:43Joe Rogan?

  And fistfights.

• 20:44Speaker 01

  And fucking war.

• 20:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and fistfights.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  Correct, sir.

• 20:47Joe Rogan?

  Just a long history of warriors out of both Ireland and the UK.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 20:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and great, they make great mob movies. Boy, Guy Ritchie's fucking show, Mobland.

• 20:56Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 20:57Joe Rogan?

  Have you watched that show on Netflix?

• 20:58Speaker 01

  No, but I love his movies.

• 20:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, it's good, it's so, is Mobland on Netflix? No, it's Paramount Plus? That's all the same. One of them streaming service, it's not all the same, I'm sorry. One of those streaming services has it, but it's fucking great.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:12Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking great.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  Now, they don't.

• 21:15Joe Rogan?

  And it just shows you like how crazy like the UK mob scene is. It's like, it's probably pretty accurate.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it's a, they always, the SAS and stuff.

• 21:25Joe Rogan?

  What is it, Jamie? Paramount, Paramount.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  Oh, it's Paramount.

• 21:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  It's good, though, huh?

• 21:28Joe Rogan?

  It's real good, one of the best shows ever.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:31Joe Rogan?

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• 22:29Speaker 01

  Dude, they're so sarcastic. I'm sitting there with my, my friend, we're, we're in a shoot, we're doing a shoot, which would mean you wear, you wear a collar and tie, sir, with, with those knickers, those, uh...

• 22:41Joe Rogan?

  Are you talking about like a shoot with a gun?

• 22:43Speaker 01

  I did a pheasant shoot.

• 22:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you went hunting?

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Sir, yes. And now, at night, we shot deer, but in the, in the morn time, you have, they do drives, and please follow along. We, we, we wake up, we have a wonderful breakfast at the estate, and I'm paying for none of this. And then we, uh, we go out and we have a loader, I had a loader, because I can't load my own shells. I had a loader, who was a British guy, that's what they do. And then the villagers beat the bush to get the partridges that have been stocked.

• 23:11Joe Rogan?

  Partridges or feathers?

• 23:12Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, both, sorry, both. Now, it's a huge business, it, it supports an entire community, so these shoots are, you know, they're very expensive, so the person sponsoring it pays essentially all these, everybody's making money.

• 23:23Joe Rogan?

  Rich people recreation, I get it.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  Rich people recreation, and, um, but, um...

• 23:29Speaker 01

  There's something, there's something, I don't know what else, what were we talking about? I lost my train of thought.

• 23:34Joe Rogan?

  You're talking about English people.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, they're so sarcastic. So I've got this loader, um, who's next to me and I'm missing the birds. I'm not good with a shotgun and I just, they're coming right at us and I'm fucking, literally just missing all of them. And at one point he looks at me and goes, are you a vegan?

• 23:53Speaker 01

  I was like, fuck you dude. He just quietly said that to me.

• 23:58Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  He goes, swing your barrels.

• 24:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, you have to learn how to do that. I, um, actually in the UK, I learned how to do it. I learned how to do it in Scotland.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  Oh, you did that?

• 24:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, I did clay pigeons, you know, the, the, those are really fun.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:12Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, you learn how you have to lead them and you learn like how to shoot with a, a shotgun. Where you're, you're kinda like, you kinda, it's almost like feel, like you feel where the pellets are gonna go and you want the disc.

• 24:29Speaker 01

  Well, you gotta swing your barrel, right? So, so when the bird is coming, you, you, you go belly, you go tail, belly, beak. And you keep, you pull the trigger as you lead the bird. So it's like throwing a football.

• 24:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  And then they run into the pellets and they, they perish.

• 24:46Joe Rogan?

  So different than any other shooting that I've ever done, because all the shooting that I've ever done, you have to be dead still. Like everything I've shot with a rifle rather. So rifle shooting, you, you don't move at all. And it's just about control and controlling yourself and staying calm and not flinching when you pull the trigger. But this is so different. It's like, you know, they used to say that like the Comanche, one of the things that was crazy was the, some of them weren't even really accurate with a bow. If you just gave them a bow and told them to shoot at it like a target.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 25:18Joe Rogan?

  They weren't accurate.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  Really?

• 25:19Joe Rogan?

  But on a horse. So on the horse, the gallop and they had this fucking zap, they knew where that arrow was going. So that they're using the chaos. So what, the movement and all the like, the darting around, like they just guide the arrow, like in the middle of chaos and war.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  So you love archery. Do you know what, what was a game changer with art, with, with shooting? Shooting a bow from a horse, you know, you know what invention changed everything?

• 25:48Joe Rogan?

  Probably stirrups.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 25:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because they can hang over the side.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  That's right. Well, you can also stand up and break, you know, so it's like you can stay steady. And then shoot the Mongols.

• 25:57Joe Rogan?

  Comanche used to run like very similar like that guy is fucking badass.

• 26:02Speaker 01

  That's a Mongol, bro.

• 26:03Joe Rogan?

  That guy is so badass.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  That's where that guy Shavkat comes from, I think.

• 26:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the kind of core strength you have to have to do what that guy was just doing? Go back to that first one, Jamie.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  They live on horses.

• 26:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, is it a YouTube or something?

• 26:15Speaker 01

  You know who can ride horses like that? Who's that? Who's that good at horses? Sylvester Stallone.

• 26:20Joe Rogan?

  Look at this, look at this.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 26:22Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that kind of strength to be able to hang completely sideways. Like when it starts in the beginning, that's not as impressive as the very first frame. Go to the very first frame. What, what, look at his, look at his positioning. That is bananas. That's bananas. Like his spine and his core are so, it must be so fucking strong.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  Think about fighting him. If you've got a sword and you have to deal with a group of those dudes.

• 26:46Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of bad motherfuckers from that part of the world, bro. A lot of bad motherfuckers.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  Where they hunt with eagles?

• 26:53Joe Rogan?

  Shavkat is actually from the place that Borat used to always make fun of.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  Kazakhstan?

• 26:57Joe Rogan?

  Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan, like, and they hate him. They're like, if he comes there, they're gonna kill him.

• 27:02Speaker 01

  My bet, yeah.

• 27:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like they, cause they made everybody look like a goat fucker and a retard and meanwhile, they're like some of the fiercest fucking human beings on earth.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:12Joe Rogan?

  You know, like Shavkat, unfortunately, just injured his knee again.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  He did?

• 27:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man, he had surgery in his knee, was rehabbing his knee and blew it out again. And now he has to have another surgery and now it's 10 months. There's a few guys that I've known who have done that where they got ACL reconstruction. I don't know if Shavkat had ACL. But any kind of reconstruction of the ligaments, you, um, you feel better before you're better. And you gotta be real careful, you gotta be real careful because what happens is when you get a reconstruction of your knee, it's like, say if they use a cadaver. That does not become your new tendon. What that does is becomes a scaffolding for your new tendon.

• 27:55Joe Rogan?

  And so your body has to proliferate that scaffolding of the dead guy's tendon with fresh tendon meat.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  Really?

• 28:03Joe Rogan?

  And eventually it becomes your tendon.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  But you have to wait for it to do that.

• 28:06Joe Rogan?

  But it feels good right away, but you've got a rotten old piece of meat in there that your body is taking over with its own tissue.

• 28:14Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 28:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Didn't you have that done?

• 28:16Joe Rogan?

  I had that done, yeah.

• 28:17Speaker 01

  And how long did it take you?

• 28:18Joe Rogan?

  Six months.

• 28:19Speaker 01

  Really?

• 28:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, six months I was doing jujitsu again.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  But you couldn't do anything until then?

• 28:23Joe Rogan?

  No, I was being really smart. I was really smart about it because that was my second knee reconstruction. I had my left knee reconstructed too. That was a patella tendon graft and that one took a lot longer to heal. Because you're taking a chip out of your bone, a chip out of your shin, and a slice of your patella tendon, which is a very thick, large tendon, and then they open you up like a fish and screw both of them. It's very invasive. Whereas the one on the right knee, the ACL reconstruction with a cadaver was a really easy recovery. Like, I was, I went to a party like six days later with just a brace on, just walking around.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 29:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was not bad at all. I mean, I was careful with it, you know, I was very diligent with the rehab, like every day. I was doing rehab every day. And like really doing it, like not bullshitting around. I was doing like, I would go in the steam shower and do deep squats and...

• 29:17Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 29:18Joe Rogan?

  I was really making sure that I rebuilt all the tissue before I ever even thought about doing jujitsu again. But jujitsu six months later, no problem at all.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Wow. What protects me is my moderate temperament. I'm, I'm good at like, you being like, mm, I can feel a little something, I'll be stopping now. You know, you probably don't have that gene, you just keep going.

• 29:38Joe Rogan?

  I'm terrible at that, that's why I get hurt sometimes. Because I meathead my way through things.

• 29:43Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 29:44Joe Rogan?

  I just decided to push through the pain and next thing you know, you've got something legitimately wrong.

• 29:48Speaker 01

  Well, that's it, like I was doing toes to bar. Were you and hanging and I my wrist has never been the same.

• 29:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you hurt your wrist?

• 29:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I pull I broke something or did something where I it's all you know.

• 29:59Joe Rogan?

  Just go get it checked out.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  I know. But the problem is you're way more fragile than you realize.

• 30:05Joe Rogan?

  You are, for sure.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  Well, I unfortunately unfortunately.

• 30:09Joe Rogan?

  You know what I've been doing every day? Every day I hang for two minutes. Every day. Every day.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  It's really good.

• 30:16Joe Rogan?

  And it's new. It's I've only been doing it like the last few weeks. I think I feel better like my spine feels better. I've been doing a bunch of things at the same time. So it's hard to tell what has the most impact. I think they all have a lot of impact, but one of the things I've been doing is like I go to this guy and get trigger point. Work.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:35Joe Rogan?

  Trigger point massage. It's it's so painful. It's some of the most fucking it's not massage. You can call it massage. It's this guy's digging elbows and knuckles. Into like your IT band and yeah.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  My calves. If you touch my calves, I'll fucking cry.

• 30:49Joe Rogan?

  Different parts of your spine. Different parts of your calves, your your legs, your your lower back, all that stuff. But also hanging every day. And the more I hang in the beginning, I was like, I wonder if this is gonna like really help. Anything or if it's just me trying to see how long I can hang.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:06Joe Rogan?

  Uh, and so now I do two minutes. I just hang there for two minutes.

• 31:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Um, I can go to two thirty seven. That's the longest I've gone. Right now I'm like two oh two.

• 31:18Speaker 01

  But I wonder, probably first of all, it makes your hands really strong.

• 31:21Joe Rogan?

  It makes my hands real strong.

• 31:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:23Joe Rogan?

  They're very calloused now, like maybe more calloused than they've ever been. They've always been kind of calloused from kettlebells, but. Now I'm getting different ones like on the front.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:32Joe Rogan?

  Fingers, the the pointer fingers. I always get my calluses on the. Right where the ring finger is for some reason on both hands. It's the biggest calluses. I guess that's where I grip the hardest or where it grinds around the most. But my back feels better. This feels like looser.

• 31:46Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 31:47Joe Rogan?

  Like it's got it's like it's and I'm like, okay, well, I've only done this for a few weeks. Every day like what if I do this every day for a year? Like what happens? Does it? Can you actually decompress your spine? Well, it turns out you can. So I started going on YouTube and. Following people's uh hanging journeys.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:03Joe Rogan?

  This is one lady. She I guess she broke the world record. She hung for twenty three minutes.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  What?

• 32:11Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 32:11Speaker 01

  Isn't it funny?

• 32:12Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 32:12Speaker 01

  How the human body, if you can, you can train yourself to do almost anything, how you can adapt, but that's nuts.

• 32:17Joe Rogan?

  There's people out there that are just different than you.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  There are people, I know that.

• 32:21Joe Rogan?

  They have, not just you, like, everybody listening, they have a different will. Their will is different. The ki- the kind of will that you have to have to hang from a bar for twenty-three fucking minutes is so crazy. This guy does it for two hours and twenty-two minutes.

• 32:35Speaker 01

  What?

• 32:35Joe Rogan?

  He keeps switching arms, obviously, but, yeah.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  You know what, life is too long.

• 32:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I think that lady has the ladies' record.

• 32:42Speaker 01

  Life is too short to hang from a bar that long.

• 32:44Joe Rogan?

  Two hours and twenty-two minutes, that's pretty crazy, though.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 32:47Joe Rogan?

  That guy must be a fucking, some kind of crazy rock climber, right?

• 32:51Speaker 01

  His body, his body looks pretty, uh, pretty normal.

• 32:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's all really about your hands and your grip. If you are a rock climber, I mean, you have to have leg strength and flexibility and a bunch of other things as well, for sure.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:04Joe Rogan?

  But god, your grip is what keeps you alive. Without your grip, you don't have jack shit.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:09Joe Rogan?

  But, um, this lady that was doing it, I was just watching her do it, and she was doing the same thing. She was like switching hands and shit. So you give your left hand a break, and then you hold on with your right hand, you give your right hand a break, and on and on.

• 33:20Speaker 01

  I think your body, I, I do it, I, I find that the game changer for me was when I stopped stretching and started strengthening. Right? So you can stretch, you should do some stretching, but my routine before I wrestle or something is to strengthen. So I'll warm it up. So I do, I do strengthening exercises for my lower back and all that stuff, right?

• 33:39Joe Rogan?

  Like planks?

• 33:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, or just, no, just like bird dogs and fire hydrants and, you know, all that shit. And, uh, that stuff is, that, that's been the game changer. Like, with my shoulders, I was getting tendonitis, right? And then I just started doing all these different shoulder things with bands.

• 33:53Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Right before I do it, and sure enough, you get stronger. My neck, same thing. My neck, people don't work their neck, like, as they get older at all. I think your neck is really important.

• 34:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure. What do you do?

• 34:06Speaker 01

  I do that iron, you know that, and then I get up and sometimes and I'll just turn like that, like I'll be on my.

• 34:11Joe Rogan?

  The best thing about the iron neck, in my opinion, is there's other stuff that you could do like harnesses where you do like chin ups with your, or like not chin ups like, like you think of. But you have this harness around your head and then there's a chain and at the end of the chain is a dumbbell. And then what you're doing is just using your neck to lift the weights. The guy from Iron Neck had a real good point. He's like, that, that puts like weird stress on your, all those different discs.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  It does?

• 34:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of pain. When you're, yeah.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  Huh.

• 34:41Joe Rogan?

  And he's like, you can really get hurt. Whereas what you wanna do is strengthen your neck so that it doesn't do that, right? In all sports. In sports, it's very rare that you use your neck like that.

• 34:52Speaker 01

  Wrestling.

• 34:53Joe Rogan?

  I used to use my neck in jujitsu and I actually started developing a problem. I had a bulging disc for a while. And that, it was one, it was also definitely getting caught and not tapping like a dumbass. But two, it was arm triangles. I was, I had a really good arm triangle, head and arm choke. So if I got mount on someone and I was able to isolate that arm, that I'm, I have a really good head and arm choke. But in that head and arm choke, I'm using my neck. That's part of the reason why it's good, cause I have a thick neck. So because if I can get your arm right here, I got another weapon.

• 35:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 35:28Joe Rogan?

  Like you're thinking about my arms holding on to you, but I'm holding on to you with this and this is strong as fuck. If I get you in this position and I'm holding that arm there. But the problem was I was developing like a real pinched nerve and then it wound up making my fingertips numb. And then that's when I found out the chiropractors are quacks. I went to a chiropractor for like a year and just gave this guy money to bullshit me. It's like, god damn it. It made me so mad.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  Did he press on your foot?

• 35:54Joe Rogan?

  Pressed on the top of my head to see if I had a bulging disc. I'm not kidding. I go, uh, maybe I have a bulging disc and like, I just thought this guy was cool. I thought he was a doctor as well. I didn't know that chiropractors go to zero days of medical school and they get to call themselves a doctor. I also didn't know that chiropractic, the whole idea of it was founded by a magnetic healer. Yeah. Who, uh, like it came to him like a seance or some shit. He was a complete fraud and his son, who was a con artist, took over the business. Son ran over him with a car, by the way. Killed that guy. Really? Yeah, his son killed the dad, ran over him with a car. Sociopath. And then took over his business and then started saying that, you know, the cracking people's backs can fix leukemia and all kinds of shit. Sure. You have to, you have to align your meridian points.

• 36:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, all the horseshit. It's all made up stuff, but there is something beneficial about manipulating your spine, though. This is what's interesting, right? There's something beneficial about, um, massage and a lot of the other things that they're doing. They're essentially loosening up, like this trigger point shit that I told you I've been doing. That's the extreme version of it, which I think is way more effective, but there's something to the manipulation. Well, it releases the muscle, right? But there's also a lot of people that have had fucking serious consequences of getting their neck cracked. Where they have strokes. Correct. And like things fuck, like there's a, there's a guy I just saw on, um, the news the other day that had compartment syndrome. Where he's like, can't move his body anymore.

• 37:19Joe Rogan?

  Because he went to a chiropractor and before he's like this like smiley, happy guy, like. Nightmare. And again, this is not all chiropractors. A lot of chiropractors, I'm sure, give you benefit because I think there's something to like loosening you up. Well, no, it's not just that. Pushing on you and there's a physical therapy aspect. This episode is brought to you by Simply Safe. The world can be scary sometimes. I mean, take the news, for example. It feels like we hear about something outrageous happening every week. Now, more than ever, it's more important to have a security system for your safety and peace of mind. And Simply Safe is one of the best options out there, partly because of how proactive it is. It can help stop and prevent crime in real time.

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• 38:45Speaker 01

  Some chiropractors know what you're talking about. So when they go into it, they study physical therapy. So I had a chiropractor say to me, your hips are, your, your, your atrophying, your ass is atrophying on the bottom. So you have to strengthen that part because it'll bring your hips into alignment. And he was dead, he was right on.

• 39:02Joe Rogan?

  Yes. He's a physical therapist. But that's what he really is. He shouldn't be saying he's a doctor. That's what's crazy. It's not that there's no benefit to it. It's like they all want to call themselves doctor too. You know, I'm Dr. Rogan, like, come on.

• 39:15Speaker 01

  You know, you know, Squat University, you ever follow that, that account?

• 39:20Joe Rogan?

  Uh-uh.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  Oh dude, that guy, everybody I know, he trains Olympic weightlifters and real Olympians. And he'll show you what, what he's, he knows the body so well. And this is the greatest, I, I DM him because people I respect were talking about how they, they follow him, like a lot, I know a lot of trainers who follow him and stuff. And if you, if you go to his thing, you'll see he demonstrates how somebody will have an impingement, this is an Olympic weightlifter or something, pain for two years. And then he'll give them an exercise, literally an exercise, and it will actually change them almost instantaneously or within a couple of days, right? And because he really understands the body. So I had heel pain, really bad heel pain. I would wake up and I couldn't walk. So it's like, was it plantar fasciitis? What's going on?

• 40:06Joe Rogan?

  You had gout, son.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, right? And so I go to a couple of podiatrists and they make me the implants. It's like you just need arch support and all that. I DM him, I can't remember his name. And he, um, he said, you know, I'm gonna send you a video on a guy. Your shoes may be too narrow and what's going on?

• 40:26Joe Rogan?

  You do wear those fucking goofy ass fucking dress shoes.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  Bro, all of those are, I got my, my hickies on. But I did, I would wear those kinda, you know, you wanna be cool. And what was happening is my big toes being, every time I would wear a blazer. Every time I'd blazer, I would sometimes be like, I'm gonna wear a blazer and a collared shirt and I'd walk in and you'd go, "Hey, you're teaching substitute school? You a substitute teacher again?" I'd be like, "Fuck this man, take it off, so much for that." Anytime I wear a collared shirt, you've been wearing-

• 40:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, you were wearing slippery shoes.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:55Joe Rogan?

  You were wearing those weird dress shoes that are slippery.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  I try to, I try to, I try to change it up. I'm like, I'm gonna dress like an adult. I wanna be like Jordan Peterson, but it never lasts.

• 41:02Speaker 03

  I wanna be an adult.

• 41:03Speaker 01

  Can't do it.

• 41:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta give up on that.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  But he told me, he goes, he said, "I think what's happening is your, your big toes being pushed in." And sometimes that cuts blood off to your heel. So your heel is actually, is actually getting necrose, it's actually dying. You're not getting blood in.

• 41:21Joe Rogan?

  But wait a minute, the blood has to go through-

• 41:24Speaker 01

  So.

• 41:24Joe Rogan?

  The heel to get to the big, it's not like, does it go that way?

• 41:28Speaker 01

  Yep, there's an artery.

• 41:28Joe Rogan?

  Goes all the way to the end.

• 41:29Speaker 01

  When you push here.

• 41:30Joe Rogan?

  Which is the end of the line, which is your toes.

• 41:32Speaker 01

  As a doctor, I can tell you, as you push here.

• 41:34Joe Rogan?

  And then it turns around and goes through the heel?

• 41:36Speaker 01

  Whatever this, when this happens, it blocks blood flow, it, it blocks the, the artery that's taking water. I wore wide toe shoes like that, within five days, all my, my pain was gone.

• 41:46Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 41:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:47Joe Rogan?

  That makes sense though.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  And no podiatrist knew that, he did, cuz he studies the body, cuz he works with-

• 41:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  The top athletes and if he doesn't get results, he doesn't get paid. That's, that's, that's who you have to look at.

• 41:56Joe Rogan?

  Do podiatrists ever tell you you should do foot exercises? Well, do you go to a podiatrist and they say, "What you really need to do is wear barefoot shoes and pull a sled." You know, like, wanna do foot exercises? You use some of those like bare, like Vivo barefoot shoes and pull a sled.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  You'll get stronger.

• 42:16Joe Rogan?

  You'll feel every little part of your foot, like pushing, and that's how they're supposed to engage.

• 42:24Joe Rogan?

  You know, traditional shoes are essentially like a cast. There's this hard thing that separates you from the ground. So your toes don't articulate and push and everything is just like from the leg into this cast and that pushes down because it's like this big spongy hard surface that you put your fucking foot into.

• 42:45Speaker 01

  How much do you do, how often, like how many, you work out, like how long a day?

• 42:49Joe Rogan?

  Every day, at least an hour.

• 42:51Speaker 01

  That's a lot.

• 42:52Joe Rogan?

  I like to do a couple hours though, because I like to have, like especially with strength training, I like to have long weights in between exercises. It allows you to fully recover before you do it again.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  How heavy do you go?

• 43:06Joe Rogan?

  That's a, it's all based on Pavel Tatsulin, um, his, um, it's all from the Russians, like how they would train kettlebells. And his philosophy is that strength is a skill and you should never do a skill when you're tired. So if you're, if you're doing like power cleans, like if I'm doing cleans and presses, I'm waiting five minutes in between each set. I'm waiting a long time.

• 43:30Speaker 01

  Really?

• 43:30Joe Rogan?

  At least, sometimes 10.

• 43:32Speaker 01

  So you're doing Olympic?

• 43:33Joe Rogan?

  And I don't care.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Olympic weightlifting?

• 43:34Joe Rogan?

  No, no, kettlebell stuff.

• 43:36Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 43:36Joe Rogan?

  So I'm cleaning and pressing, like, uh, you know, the heaviest I usually use is like 70 pounds. Every now and then I'll fuck around. I have like, I have a big foot one that's like 92. I'll bust out some reps with the big foot. But most of the time I'm doing 70 pounds. That's my heavy, my heaviest.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  And what is that for you? Like, like, uh?

• 43:54Joe Rogan?

  So I do sets, three sets of 10, cleans and presses.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  And by the 10th, well, how tired are you?

• 43:59Joe Rogan?

  Not tired at all. That's the whole thing. The whole thing is you get all the reps that you would get if you smashed them all together. If you only took like a minute off in between each set and went through it. So you get all the strength, but what you're not doing is you're not operating under fatigue. So it's not.

• 44:16Speaker 01

  So you're not pushing for failure?

• 44:17Joe Rogan?

  No. And it's not a muscular endurance. No, you're not pushing failure at all, which is also, I thought was crazy. The philosophy is, it's not the failure that gets you strong. It's the amount of repetitions. The whole thing is the amount of repetitions. Now, if you do three sets of 10 and you do them back to back, boy, you get to that third set, you might barely be able to get up that 10th rep, right? Because you're exhausted. Because you've done cleans and presses. You gave yourself like a minute rest in between sets and then you went and did it again. And a minute rest in between the third set. And then you're fucking tired as shit. But if you're waiting 10 minutes in between each each set, you're doing the same amount of work, but easily.

• 45:02Joe Rogan?

  So you you have a less of a chance of getting hurt. And your goal is not muscular endurance. Your goal, when you're doing strength training, is just strength. That's what you're trying to do. So the whole way to get strong is not going to failure. This is their philosophy. You can argue it if you want, and especially bodybuilders, I'm sure would argue with it because it's a different thing. We're just trying to get massive. But his thought is, if you can do, say, 20 reps to failure, don't do that. Do 10. And then wait a long time, and then do another 10. And it's just as good

• 45:35Speaker 01

  Really?

• 45:35Joe Rogan?

  as doing 20 sets to failure.

• 45:37Speaker 01

  Really?

• 45:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The whole thing that gets you strong is just work. It's just the numbers. And it allows your body to fully recover so that you can, you, when you lift it up, like if you go to clean the second set, you're you're fully engaged, you feel good, you feel rested, you feel strong. And then you bust out those sets. And then you wait again. I wait fucking maybe 10 minutes. I'm just sitting around.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  Wow, 10 minutes?

• 46:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I watch a YouTube video, maybe I stretch, and then I get out and I do it again. So that's, those are the long days. So when I have a lot of time, that's how I like to work out. I like to work out in these long, two-hour chunks.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  I got small kids, bro. It's never happening.

• 46:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but if you get up in the morning, you can do it. If you get up before everybody else, or if you do it when everybody's asleep, you could do it. But the the point is, if you want of like, that, that's a way to get strong that I think you lessen your chances of injury. You're always got a chance of injury. You're lifting heavy things. But I don't lift things that are that heavy. And the heaviest thing I lift really is my body. I do a lot of bodyweight squats, a lot of bodyweight stuff. Pull-ups, dips, chin-ups. Yeah, I do a lot of stuff. L's, L chin-ups, you know, where your feet are extended and you're doing chin-ups like this.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  Right, right, right, right.

• 46:53Joe Rogan?

  And I do those toe-to-bars. I do those, like you were talking about. Those suck, but they're really good for your abs. I do a lot of ab stuff. I have like a heavy core ab routine. But I've always kind of done that. It's like really important for kicking. Like kicking, you know, people think it's in the legs and it certainly is, but a lot of it is in the torque that you generate with your core. That's really where the power comes from. It comes from here. A real powerful kick is all from it's all and the leg kind of follows through with it. But when you dig into it, if you have a weak core, there's no way you're gonna generate enough force to even get that leg moving correctly.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  I love that we're 58 and talking about the importance of kicking and torque.

• 47:41Joe Rogan?

  I could think that way. I could think, oh, I'm 58, why do I think like that? But I just think what I like.

• 47:45Speaker 01

  I was just working on my double leg. What are you talking about? Who are you talking to?

• 47:48Joe Rogan?

  But also, more importantly, I do the work to make sure that my body can still do this at 58. If you're like 58 and you're a mailman and you've been drinking every night and you haven't gone to the gym in six months, like, I'm gonna go kick the bag, like, slow down!

• 48:00Speaker 01

  Slow down!

• 48:01Joe Rogan?

  Slow down, you're gonna get hurt.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  Start at five minutes.

• 48:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta build, like you say, oh, Rogan hangs for two minutes, I'm gonna go hang for two minutes. First of all, you're not, and you're gonna hurt yourself. Like, don't. If you wanna start hanging, hang for 15 seconds. Just do that every day for 15 seconds. And then one day, you'll be able to do 30, pretty easy. And then next thing you know, you'll be doing a minute.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  I always say that to people. I say, don't worry, hey, hey, you're gonna get back to working out. You don't have to do an hour. Actually, start with 10 minutes. Start with 10 minutes.

• 48:27Joe Rogan?

  Super light.

• 48:27Speaker 01

  Literally 10 minutes.

• 48:28Joe Rogan?

  You don't want to do much. Push-ups, sit-ups, bodyweight squats, that's it.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  Feel a difference. So you feel like stimulated? You have energy, right? Instead of like, my old trainer, I love him, Lou Parata, he would say, stimulate, don't annihilate. He was the same way. He's 60, he's 70 now. Same thing.

• 48:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because that's the thing about being a meathead. It's like your meatheadedness can actually get in the way of progress. Like, you can actually learn better if you're not exhausted, right? But there's like a lot of jiu-jitsu schools that have you do shit like Like, when I used to train at Carlson Gracie's, the warm-up was so brutal. By the time you got to actually training, that was like a break. It was a break, at least I can hold on to this guy. You know, I don't have to fucking do somersaults over and over again. You would do all these different bodyweight things. They would do like duck walks and bear claw crawls, but their idea was, hey, you should be fit enough that you could do all this shit and it's easy.

• 49:31Joe Rogan?

  And then you start training and then you're fit to train and it'll help your training. And they're right, they're right. However, if you're trying to teach people something, the worst way to teach them is when they're exhausted. So, if you can say like Carl Gotch, famously, he's a famous catch wrestling guru, who was a great wrestler back in like, god, I think it was like the 50s and 60s, back when catch wrestling was legit, like they would, they would-

• 49:58Speaker 01

  What is catch wrestling?

• 50:00Joe Rogan?

  It's an American-style submission wrestling that a lot of these submissions actually, you know, when you, you think about um-

• 50:08Speaker 01

  Is that Ken Shamrock and stuff?

• 50:10Joe Rogan?

  No, Ken Shamrock, Ken Shamrock had a little bit of that for sure. You know, Ken Shamrock was, he was a hybrid, you know, he did a lot of training in Japan and he was a leg lock guy before anybody was, like Ken Shamrock won some of the early UFC's with heel hooks. Nobody even knew what the fuck was going on. Um, and he was also a massive human being too, that was part of it, like Ken Shamrock was fucking jacked. He was so strong. Um, but their whole thing was all about conditioning, like the lion's den? They had this famous crucible they would put recruits through. Like if you wanted to train with the lion's den, you had to go through hell. They had this crazy, like Bud-style strength and conditioning routine, then you had to spar everybody.

• 50:53Joe Rogan?

  You had to spar the whole team, they beat the fuck out of each other. Because back in those days, nobody knew what sparring light was all about.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  No.

• 51:01Joe Rogan?

  Like everybody like-

• 51:02Speaker 01

  Knock each other out and-

• 51:03Joe Rogan?

  Everybody beat the fuck out of each other. So it's like, but that's not, you produce animals when you do that. But you're not going to produce the most technical guys. For most of the people, most of the most technical guys, what they they think of, there's two, you have to compartmentalize two different things, like toughness, like in training, if you're doing cardio, if you're doing hill sprints, if you're doing, you know, live drills, there's toughness, but then there's also, you you got to really know technique. And technique is the king of all.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  That's boxing.

• 51:37Joe Rogan?

  When it comes to MMA, sure, but in jiu jitsu, it's even more important.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:41Joe Rogan?

  In MMA, it's even more important because there's more aspects to the game. And if you like, did you see the UFC this weekend? Did you see Olivera versus Gamrot?

• 51:49Speaker 01

  No.

• 51:50Joe Rogan?

  Bro, it was a tour de force of jiu jitsu.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  Really?

• 51:54Joe Rogan?

  The moment Gamrot, because Gamrot is a sick wrestler, Mattel's Gamrot, he's a nasty wrestler.

• 51:59Speaker 01

  Where is he from?

• 52:02Speaker 01

  Like Kazakhstan?

• 52:03Joe Rogan?

  That part of the world that you're terrified of?

• 52:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:05Joe Rogan?

  Um, I don't want to miss.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  The the the old country, the hills? Poland.

• 52:10Joe Rogan?

  Poland, there you go. Hard ass motherfucker. Beast beast of a wrestler, I mean, just a fucking animal.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:16Joe Rogan?

  He took Charles Olivera down right away and was immediately in terrible trouble. Like every step of the way, he's get he was getting Oma plotted and triangled and this and that and and Olivera just dominated him on the ground.

• 52:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:32Joe Rogan?

  And then when it comes to stand up, well, Olivera is better at stand up than him.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, monster.

• 52:36Joe Rogan?

  So they go on the feet and Gamrot's fucked, he's getting lit up on the feet by Olivera, and then Olivera takes him down and strangles him, takes his back and chokes him out.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  I'm so glad I love Olivera.

• 52:44Joe Rogan?

  The first guy to ever finish Gamrot, but it just showed the importance of technique.

• 52:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 52:49Joe Rogan?

  Technique, finishing technique, not just holding technique and taking guy down technique, which Gamrot has a fuckload of.

• 52:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:56Joe Rogan?

  But he doesn't have the jiu jitsu technique that Olivera has, but he could have.

• 53:02Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 53:02Joe Rogan?

  He could have had that.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 53:03Joe Rogan?

  As good a wrestler as he is.

• 53:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:06Joe Rogan?

  If that guy just dead and Eddie Bravo used to say this years and years and years ago, he was like, if these wrestlers, they all want to study like anti jiu jitsu, they all want to take everybody down and have, you know, just avoid the jiu jitsu, avoid the submissions, that's what they concentrate on the most. He's like, instead of. Just learning all those submissions and just annihilating people. But they, in their mind, they were competing against jujitsu.

• 53:32Speaker 01

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 53:32Joe Rogan?

  So it was like, the wrestlers had a show, we're the toughest.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 53:35Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna get on top and ground and pound.

• 53:36Speaker 01

  My tribe is better than your tribe.

• 53:37Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent. And Eddie was like, if they could just abandon that and fall in love with jujitsu, they'd... It's football season and Uber Eats is delivering deals every game day. This week, buy a four-piece signature chicken from Popeyes and get another one free on Uber Eats. When your watch party gets hungry, order in and keep everyone's attention where it matters on the game. Order a four-piece signature chicken from Popeyes and get another one free. No matter who scores big tonight, you'll score great deals on Uber Eats all season long, because it's not football without food. Popeyes offer, valid through November 1st. Add eligible menu item to order prior to checkout.

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• 55:29Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 55:29Joe Rogan?

  Because they're already the best at grappling.

• 55:31Speaker 01

  That's so interesting, and that makes total sense.

• 55:33Joe Rogan?

  Total sense.

• 55:34Speaker 01

  Learn, learning, learning your enemy. Like, really learning.

• 55:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, just stop being on a team.

• 55:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:42Joe Rogan?

  You're, you're trying to be a fighter. If you're an MMA fighter, stop this, "I represent Taekwondo" shit. Like, no you don't. You're just, you know, you have some skills.

• 55:51Speaker 01

  Well, you and I talk about that. Don't... Don't let the fact that you have an idea in your head. See, we all have the, we've, we've formed these ideas. A lot of those ideas are informed by where I am emotionally to begin with. I'm defending something. Typically, I'm going to be defending, uh, how I grew up, my parents, uh, what's worked for me.

• 56:09Joe Rogan?

  My city.

• 56:10Speaker 01

  All that shit, you know, yeah, my culture. And, uh, what happens is you get a, you, you start identifying with your ideas. And it's just an idea, so be open to having your mind changed based on evidence.

• 56:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, just don't be married to your ideas, that's for sure. But the most important thing is like, think about Bruce Lee, right? What did he figure out? He figured out before anybody, absorb what is useful. Take from all martial arts.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 56:35Joe Rogan?

  You know, you don't have to call it a new thing anymore because Jeet Kune Do is what we're all doing, really. Well, if you're doing MMA, you're doing Jeet Kune Do. You're doing what he, he just said, take a little bit of everything that works.

• 56:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:47Joe Rogan?

  No matter what it is.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  But also like techniques, like when you watch how they bring boxers up, like Virgil Hunter, you know, in his camp, Andre Berto and Andre Ward. Man, to watch how they, like the, the old school boxers, I love watching them. I love watching how they train. Like they will, they do stuff like, like everything you do, like this guy, Coach Anthony, people like that, if you watch them. Everything is considered and you work on your jab, you work on how to set that jab up. Gordon Ryan talks about that too, like with jujitsu, start on the bottom. Start on the bottom. How's your half guard? What's it like? How do you get out of a mount? Get, start your, your, your entire repertoire, your technique at the worst part and understand that.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  But with, with boxing, when you watch like footwork, it's all footwork, man. It's such a different thing. It's like how you step, where you punch from.

• 57:41Joe Rogan?

  When I was Canelo Alvarez versus Terrence Crawford. Crawford always had his foot on the outside. He was in perfect position. Defense was flawless.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  I love watching that.

• 57:50Joe Rogan?

  That is a masterclass.

• 57:51Speaker 01

  It was a masterclass.

• 57:52Joe Rogan?

  Because there was one point in the fight where Terrence was pity patting him. So what he'll do is he'll pity pat you and then load up with big shots. But he was so dominant that he could stand in front of Canelo Alvarez, who's one of the most feared boxers in the history.

• 58:08Speaker 01

  Of all time.

• 58:09Joe Rogan?

  Of the sport, no doubt. And Terrence Crawford is sitting in front of him going pat, pat, pat, pat, pat. Whip, pat, pat, pat, pat, bop. Just, it was crazy. I was like, look at he's pity patting him, which is almost disrespectful.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  Well, you know what Alvarez Alvarez said? He goes, I couldn't figure him out. How about that? I couldn't figure out, that's what I think fighting is at the highest level. It's, it's two people trying to solve. Like, what are these patterns you're doing? How can I cut you off at that, before you finish that pattern? Duran used to, people would say when they fought Duran, they would say, he's, he's reading my mind. And they would say he's reading my mind because he knew, he could see what you were doing. He'd been there. He's like, I know where you're going with this.

• 58:48Joe Rogan?

  He was also so raw, he might have been reading your mind.

• 58:50Speaker 01

  Fuck, man.

• 58:51Joe Rogan?

  He was such a savage. In his early days, like, people see Duran, you see Duran like when he fought Davy Moore and Iran Barkley and those guys. That's a Duran that's thirty plus pounds over his best fighting weight. His best fighting weight was one thirty-five.

• 59:08Speaker 01

  Dude, he fought, and Barkley was a, Iran Barkley was, I think, fought at sixty-seven, maybe even bigger? And he fought him at that weight.

• 59:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and he knocked him out.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:18Joe Rogan?

  Go, see if you can find Roberto Duran versus Ken Buchanan. This is when he won the lightweight title. When he was young and like, super skinny, way before he fought Leonard.

• 59:28Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 59:29Joe Rogan?

  It's probably a black and white fight.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  Close to a human pit bull as possible.

• 59:32Joe Rogan?

  He was a fucking badger, dude. Just a ferocious man with excellent technique.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  That's what poverty.

• 59:39Joe Rogan?

  Just tearing people apart.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  That's what not having enough food, literally, in Panama does to you.

• 59:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and also a long history of combat sports in Panama as well. This is like, it's not like a, a unique thing to be a boxer in Panama. So you're dealing with iron sharp, it's iron, excellent technique. Oh, it is in color.

• 59:57Speaker 01

  He was so beautiful.

• 59:58Joe Rogan?

  But boy, look how shitty it looks. What year is this? Seventy-two?

• 1:00:01Speaker 04

  Upscaled, so it's.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  This is, this is.

• 1:00:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's upscaled?

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  This is what every UFO video is.

• 1:00:06Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he was so good.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  They use this camera.

• 1:00:07Joe Rogan?

  Look how skinny he is. Wow, it's crazy.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, bro, when you, when you, when you are a real boxer like that, that's what you do. You don't look muscle bound.

• 1:00:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, in his defense, I mean, he was a young man and he was, but he was a lot thicker when he fought Leonard at forty-seven. He looked a lot better.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  He's got a Brian Callen body, that's what I like about it.

• 1:00:24Joe Rogan?

  Ah, but he hit him low a lot as well. He was very rough, like, in the infighting occasionally, he would.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Great, great infighter.

• 1:00:33Joe Rogan?

  Probably knew where the referee was too. You know, back then, there was no instant replay. Ken Buchanan was very good too.

• 1:00:43Speaker 01

  You ever see me getting a boxing lesson from Sugar Ray Leonard in Sylvester Stallone's house? You ever see that?

• 1:00:49Joe Rogan?

  No, no, we're watching really good boxing. I don't know why you even bring that up.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  Sorry, buddy, sorry. Oh, he got caught there.

• 1:00:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, Ken Buchanan was legit.

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  Damn. Wow.

• 1:01:02Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it was a crazy fight, but these-

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  Was he at 35?

• 1:01:05Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. And this was for the lightweight title, but it was a crazy scrap of a fight, man. Scoot ahead so you can watch someone like the later action.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  Buchanan was something else, huh?

• 1:01:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, he was world champion.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  You know, I'd never heard of him until just now.

• 1:01:18Joe Rogan?

  He was a tough guy.

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  Wow. Is he wearing a kilt?

• 1:01:20Joe Rogan?

  I'm pretty sure that's how Duran won the title. I don't think Duran was defending the title. I think Duran-

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  Oh, look at that shot, dude.

• 1:01:27Joe Rogan?

  Bro, when you watch these guys and you think about like how long it takes to get this good at boxing?

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, 30 years.

• 1:01:36Joe Rogan?

  How much time had- no, he wasn't that old yet.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  No, I'm saying, I'm saying-

• 1:01:39Joe Rogan?

  But how much time spent like trying to under fire, figure out when to connect to someone's face?

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  No, I was saying, uh-

• 1:01:47Joe Rogan?

  When to rip to the body.

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  What's his name? Crawford said, this has been a 30-year career. He's been fighting for 30 years.

• 1:01:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, if you think about it. And also, Terrence Crawford's been fighting smart for 30 years. He doesn't get hit a lot.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  That's like, um-

• 1:02:01Joe Rogan?

  Which is nuts.

• 1:02:01Speaker 01

  That's Scott Hopkins. Hopkins never got hurt.

• 1:02:04Joe Rogan?

  I mean, until he fought Joe Smith and got knocked out of the ring and fell on his head.

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  He was 50. 50 with a gray beard.

• 1:02:09Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:02:10Speaker 01

  50, by the way, fought from 40 to 50, what, nobody could beat him in a division that required speed, never got hit. He's a genius.

• 1:02:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's one of the all-time greats as well.

• 1:02:21Speaker 01

  To me, like, people talk about the greatest athletes and stuff. They never talk about what he was able to accomplish at his age in that division. That's, that has to be part of the conversation.

• 1:02:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, by the time he fought Felix Trinidad, people thought he was done already.

• 1:02:34Speaker 01

  Unbelievable.

• 1:02:35Joe Rogan?

  That was, I think he was 36 at the time when he knocked out Trinidad. People thought he was over. And then, you know, he just-

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  Have you had him on this podcast?

• 1:02:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, he's awesome.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, man.

• 1:02:44Joe Rogan?

  I'm a huge fan of that guy.

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  God, so smart.

• 1:02:46Joe Rogan?

  And, um, you know, his lessons from prison, too. He's like, I'm never going back. And they they said to him when he's leaving, we'll see you soon. He's like, no, no, no, not me, bitch. And just lived.

• 1:02:58Speaker 01

  He used to run with a tennis ball, apparently.

• 1:03:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  That's obsession.

• 1:03:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, that's how you become a Bernard Hopkins.

• 1:03:04Speaker 01

  That's how you get out of where you are, too.

• 1:03:07Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  You got to plan your escape.

• 1:03:09Joe Rogan?

  The thing about Terrence, though, is like, Terrence is like an artist. Like, what he did in there is like, God, I could watch clips from that fight over and over again, probably for decades. He's an artist.

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:19Joe Rogan?

  Like, what he's doing in there is like, he's like, not just beating you. He's he's beating Canelo Alvarez and kind of making him look a little silly. And doing it with the highest stakes humanly possible, with a guy that can break your face with one punch. I mean, missiles are headed his way. And he's like, nope.

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:03:39Joe Rogan?

  Nope.

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  Catching the shots.

• 1:03:40Joe Rogan?

  Not here, but I'm here, bam. He hit him so many times where Canelo had whiffed. And then he would counter. It's like, God, that's so pretty. That's so pretty because like to be in the in the fire. So like, there's guys that could move real good and they were really hard to hit, like Willie Pep. You know, Willie Pep had crazy footwork.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  Mayweather.

• 1:04:00Joe Rogan?

  Mayweather, but standing right in front of you, though. It's a bad example. Because what I'm saying is like, these guys that are hard to hit that aren't moving, they're right in front of you and you can't hit them. That's Mayweather. Like, but there's guys that were they were hard to hit, but they were real mobile. Like, Michael Ven and Page in MMA is a great example. You can't hit that dude.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  So beautiful.

• 1:04:18Joe Rogan?

  She's moving in and out so fast, like, you can't.

• 1:04:22Speaker 01

  I heard he was at the mothership.

• 1:04:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  I was there, but I missed him.

• 1:04:25Joe Rogan?

  See, look at this. Boom. I mean, look at these. There's missiles coming his way. He's like, nope, pop.

• 1:04:32Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he's so slick. Like, every time Canelo would.

• 1:04:35Speaker 01

  Look at that. You see him catch that? You see him catch that body shot with his elbow?

• 1:04:38Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  You're not touching.

• 1:04:39Joe Rogan?

  Catch it and then fire right back. And he did get attacked a couple of times. But even there, as Canelo rushes in, he gets popped.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  You make one mistake with Canelo, though, you're you're going out. Like, that's.

• 1:04:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  That margin.

• 1:04:49Joe Rogan?

  Look at this. This is so pretty.

• 1:04:50Speaker 01

  And he catches it.

• 1:04:51Joe Rogan?

  Look at that. That is so pretty.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  Look at that.

• 1:04:54Joe Rogan?

  And to do that two weight classes above his the normal weight. That that is a one weight class above the previous world championship that he held.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  Meanwhile, he's 187. Do you know that?

• 1:05:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, no. Listen, man. When I talked to him, it was, I talked to him on the podcast a couple of years ago, and he wanted this fight really bad.

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  How thick was he?

• 1:05:16Joe Rogan?

  He was normal size, you know, but he did it the right way. He took a long time in between fights. He did a lot of deadlifts and a lot, there's a lot of like strength and conditioning videos of him. We see him like really working hard and really like put on quality mass where he did it slowly over the, you know, he didn't get roided up and then just gain a bunch of muscle. It's useless. He did it smoothly and slowly. So he kept all of his skills, but now he had more size and now he had more strength. All skills, all speed, everything was still there. Cause that's an illusion too. People think you're gonna get slower if you get bigger. That's not real. That's, it depends. You're not gonna get, unless you get really crazy bodybuilder big, like Mr. Olympia big.

• 1:05:59Joe Rogan?

  But Evander Holyfield didn't slow down when he moved up to heavyweight. He actually got more fit and picked up his punching power. You know, it's like you can put on muscle and you can get stronger and still be fast. And Terrence totally showed that in that fight. That fight was just, that's, that fight was what boxing is really all about.

• 1:06:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love, it's like boxing is one of the few, it's such an honest place in this crazy world where I don't know where the fuck the truth is. Like, I don't know about you.

• 1:06:28Joe Rogan?

  Until you get the judge's decision.

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, that's true.

• 1:06:30Joe Rogan?

  That's a problem. That's a problem with MMA too.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  It is. But that's, that, even that is a little bit like, I've been pretty good at predicting after the fight, kind of going, I think this guy won. You know, it used to be pretty bad.

• 1:06:43Joe Rogan?

  Terrence almost got fucked in that fight. He was only, if he didn't win the last two rounds, he would have lost that fight.

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  Well, Canelo so loved him, you know?

• 1:06:51Joe Rogan?

  That's not good.

• 1:06:53Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:06:53Joe Rogan?

  I mean, in terms of like a judge, you, you shouldn't be looking at how much someone's loved. You should be looking at, of course, everybody loves Canelo. I love Canelo.

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  But I wonder if the judge.

• 1:07:02Joe Rogan?

  But once he gets into the ring, you have to judge him on his performance in the ring, period. That's it.

• 1:07:07Speaker 01

  I know, but you know, human beings, you love somebody, you already have it in your mind.

• 1:07:11Joe Rogan?

  I know corruption, Brian. I know Vegas odds. I know gambling. There's a lot, there's a lot you have to take into consideration. A lot of these people live in Vegas. You don't think they know? Fucking degenerate gamblers. You don't think they owe money? You don't think maybe something's going on? A lot of these guys, like, and gals, by the way. They were connected to super shady people back in the day and decisions were fucked with.

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  Do you remember that fight?

• 1:07:40Joe Rogan?

  Gambling odds.

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  What was that one Bradley?

• 1:07:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that same lady, she also, she, she'd scored a few that were like, what? But that was a big one. That was a big one. But that's also, you have to think of that when you see a big fucking decision like that where it's funky. You gotta go, if I was a gambler, like, all you have to do is get one person, say if you're betting on a split decision. You have to see just one person in the bag. You just got one person that scores it the other way no matter what. And you give that person 200 grand and now you're gonna make 20 million. That's real. Like, people do stuff like that. At least they have in the past. Of course they have.

• 1:08:24Speaker 01

  Well, let me ask you this. As you, you know, with, with AI and as, as we get better and better at these videos, that you can't tell whether it's real or not. You know, I really wonder.

• 1:08:35Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it's good. Maybe just stop looking.

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  That's, that's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking.

• 1:08:39Joe Rogan?

  We're wasting our fucking lives staring at our phone.

• 1:08:41Speaker 01

  That's right. My mind, that's what my whole special is about. It's called False Gods because that be, that has become, that is what we're bent over in prayer with. We're always looking at it all the time. That dopamine scroll, right? We're just a nation of drug addicts.

• 1:08:54Joe Rogan?

  If there's a drug that made you stare at your hand all day. You'd avoid that drug like the plague.

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  Literally the theme of what I wrote about, because I was like, I, I'm, I find myself, like, I, I find myself going, I'm not gonna look at my phone, and then I get sucked in. And there's fun, good things to watch, whether it's old interviews, whether it's snippets of this, but it's a highlight reel, man.

• 1:09:13Joe Rogan?

  It's like mining for gold, though, in a really shitty spot. Like, you're not getting a lot of gold. Every now and then you get a little gold flake, some funny meme, ah! And then I'll send it to all my friends. But I find out the really funny ones, they make it to me anyway. Like, that's what I really want. I really want the funny things. So the funny things, like funny memes and shit like that, they'll make it to me, no matter what.

• 1:09:35Speaker 01

  You know what I've done? I was, I was listening to a political podcast. My buddy walked by, said something so cool. Cause he's done really well in life and he goes, he goes, are you listening to the weather again? And I was like, fuck, man. I am. I'm either listening because I want somebody to confirm my bias, or I'm listening because I maybe wanna hear something I kind of already know, or it'll be a different twist that somehow in my mind I can use as an argument against somebody I already disagree with.

• 1:10:02Joe Rogan?

  Ew.

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  It's all that shit, right?

• 1:10:03Joe Rogan?

  Ew.

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  I listen to, I'm fucking reading novels now. I'm not doing it anymore. I'm fucking done.

• 1:10:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, novels are cool.

• 1:10:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm just, I, my problem is, I don't think you do this at all, but I do know there are people, you can make a lot of money in the podcast space, in the influencer space, if you draw strong, good guy, bad guy narratives. And if you can make those narratives biblical, please, now you're really in the money. And I, I'm always wary of that. I'm always wary of that reductionist kind of idea that bring, I do think there are sometimes there are good guys and bad guys. I think there is good and evil. I think that's worth, a worthy conversation to have. But man, you gotta be careful about getting sucked into those narratives, because sometimes it's not that simple.

• 1:10:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also what we were talking about earlier, people that aren't good at anything in their life, and their life gets captured by whatever team they're on, whether they're Democrats or Republicans.

• 1:10:57Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:10:58Joe Rogan?

  And that becomes your whole identity.

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  So how do you avoid it?

• 1:11:01Joe Rogan?

  Don't be a retard. Jesus Christ, it's a rigged game. It's a rigged game, and you're gonna jump in with your dick in your hand. Like, what are you doing?

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:09Joe Rogan?

  It's dumb. People always want me to say I'm a Republican, or say I'm a Democrat. Like, I am, I mostly think in a left way, mostly. But I also am a firm believer in discipline and human nature.

• 1:11:23Speaker 01

  Personal responsibility.

• 1:11:24Joe Rogan?

  Personal responsibility, and willpower. I think willpower is a real thing. I've lived my whole life with it. I know what it is. And so to pretend that it's not, and some people, you know, they don't just need to get their fucking shit together, that's not, that's not helpful for them. It's not really kind and compassionate, because it's not being honest with them. By telling people they're fine the way they are, no you're not. You know, you should be on a goal of constant self-improvement.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:11:50Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't mean you have to be an asshole, you know? And that's the other thing, people that are weak bitches, they always wanna conflate being disciplined. And having personal responsibility with being an asshole. No, you can be a really nice person and still, you know, you don't, you don't have to be a shithead just because you take care of yourself and you're healthy.

• 1:12:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:12:09Joe Rogan?

  This is a scam.

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:12:11Joe Rogan?

  It's a, it's a cover that weak bitches throw out there.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  I know you're less inflamed than me, but let's calm down, you know?

• 1:12:16Joe Rogan?

  It's nonsense.

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:17Joe Rogan?

  It's like people just get so tribal and the reason why they do it is because they don't have anything else in their life. They don't have anything that's really important and interesting in their life. So they get like completely captured by politics.

• 1:12:28Speaker 01

  You see this now with like, um, you gotta give Trump some credit for bringing peace to a part of the world where, you know, that's been at war since Moses had a parting of the ways with the Pharaoh.

• 1:12:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it was a lot. They had to give up a lot, right? They had to give up, how many Palestinian prisoners did they have to give up?

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

  Two hundred and fifty. And a lot of them are, you know.

• 1:12:47Joe Rogan?

  Those poor Israelis that have been there for two years and what has happened to those people during that time? Can you imagine being an Israeli prisoner and you're in Gaza?

• 1:12:55Speaker 01

  Starving.

• 1:12:56Joe Rogan?

  And they're just starving and they're shelling the fuck out of that place. For two years and never thinking you're gonna get home to see your family again.

• 1:13:05Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 1:13:06Joe Rogan?

  And so are they released now? Have they been released?

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  All, all twenty living hostages have been released. Some of them are in really bad condition, so they didn't want to show them on the camera. Cause they've gotta be.

• 1:13:16Joe Rogan?

  Starving to death.

• 1:13:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're right in the hospital.

• 1:13:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're probably never gonna be the same again.

• 1:13:20Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:13:21Joe Rogan?

  You know, that's, that's the thing about starving to death is like your organs have massive damage.

• 1:13:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:13:27Joe Rogan?

  Um, I, I knew this guy.

• 1:13:29Speaker 01

  But Hollywood's quiet.

• 1:13:30Joe Rogan?

  His, his dad had been captured in Vietnam and tortured and starved and he was never the same again physically. Even after he came back and put the weight back on, like he's, his body was fucked up.

• 1:13:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:44Joe Rogan?

  From the torture, from, and from the starvation.

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  And the stress, man.

• 1:13:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, everything. It's just amazing that he's.

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• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  No sunlight? Living in a tunnel for two years?

• 1:15:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, whatever Trump had to do to do this, what's fascinating is watching people's reaction where they don't want to reluctantly give him credit for it.

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:52Joe Rogan?

  Because it's not just this. He's negotiated multiple peace agreements between African countries that have been at war for decades.

• 1:16:01Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:16:02Joe Rogan?

  And this is just one more that he's done on top of that. And it's like, people can't get past what they think of him in terms of the bluster or maybe the Epstein files or this like, look.

• 1:16:18Joe Rogan?

  There's no perfect person that's gonna be president and to pretend it's Barack Obama is crazy. If you really look at Barack Obama's, what his legacy and what he actually brought to the United States in terms of punishment of whistleblowers, drone deaths, some fucking crazy number like plus eighty percent of the people killed by drones were innocent.

• 1:16:42Speaker 01

  Incredible.

• 1:16:43Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot, but, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a great spokesman and a great representative of America cuz he certainly was cuz he was brilliant and articulate and just seemed calm and measured and all those things are great. But the reality is, this fucking country is bought and paid for by huge financial interests who would like us to go bomb places cuz they make bombs. They make weapons and those weapons cost a fuckload of money and they come up with all sorts of cute reasons why we should go fuck up Yemen.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  Have you had Lindy Lee on your podcast?

• 1:17:21Joe Rogan?

  No, but I was gonna get to this point, but also you have to have weapons because the rest of the world is fucked. So it's like you have to have this balanced perspective on this stuff. Like, we don't want war. We should never want war. You should celebrate a president that his core idea is no more wars. People are like, "Yeah, but he bombed Iran." Right? I think he had to. I think it was like one of these things with Israel with the negotiating.

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  It was an opportunity.

• 1:17:47Joe Rogan?

  "I'll bomb the site. I'll tell them to leave." Jesus Christ, cuz you know, Israel's just bombing their shit out of Gaza and they're like, they don't care about human shields and they're like, "Fuck you. You attacked us. It's over. We're gonna wipe you out."

• 1:18:02Joe Rogan?

  So this guy is... What he's done is, if it sticks, so here's the thing, does it stick? I don't know. I mean, they've always, they've come to multiple peace agreements in the past.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  A sa- murder, literally thirty-two members of one family because they were collaborating, quote-unquote, with Israel in the street. Do you see that?

• 1:18:24Joe Rogan?

  I saw, they shot a few guys. I saw a few, one video.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  It was more than a few.

• 1:18:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, I only saw one where there was the three guys they shot in front of everybody. And they probably were. That's the thing. The Mossad and the IDF are brilliant, right? The reason why they got all those pagers to those guys and then blew their dicks off is because they're fucking geniuses, right? The reason why they invented Pegasus, the ability to just listen to your fucking phone, read all your text messages, get all your dick pics, all that stuff, because they're brilliant. And, of course, they infiltrate every organization. They infiltr- that's how they get all their information. They literally have a soldier that is so dedicated to Israel that they give their life to go pretend to be Hamas and probably even commit terror, just so that they can be legit. And then that person will feed all the information to Israel.

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:19:11Joe Rogan?

  I mean, you have to have, like, the people who love Israel want, like, I, you know, you could be one of those people, like, "I hate Zionists, I hate Zionism, I hate what they've done." I get it. But, what they are doing is the, like, most black belt version of tribalism. The most black belt version.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  Well, because they're-

• 1:19:32Joe Rogan?

  Because they have to.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  Well, because every threat for Israel is existential. One of the things I think the strength of Israel, it's a fascinating idea, because when Trump made a speech at the Knesset, Bibi Netanyahu was booed by a lot of Israelis, and Trump was hailed. And the point of that is that Israel is a democracy where they're constantly arguing with each other. There's, there's, there's constant debate. And your, your job, if you're prime minister or whatever, is always precarious because there are people who are always going to be critical, and they'll be Israelis. Whereas, there isn't this sort of monolithic sort of idea, like the Knesset has, but the one thing that unifies Israelis, no matter what, they'll debate, and you want to talk

• 1:20:14Speaker 01

  about the, the war in Gaza and how it was prosecuted, you can, there's plenty of legitimate say- you, you, you leveled the place, that's fine, but don't make one mistake. You fucking, when, when they're threatened with their existence, you, you want to threaten the existence of Israel, they'll unify right quick. And they'll, they'll fucking blow up pagers. They got a thousand ways to get to you. Because they have to.

• 1:20:35Joe Rogan?

  The point is, they, they do infiltrate those organizations, and they do do that. However-

• 1:20:40Speaker 01

  Why were you smiling just now?

• 1:20:41Joe Rogan?

  Because I just sent Jamie a funny meme.

• 1:20:43Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:20:44Joe Rogan?

  I'll send one, I'll show you one that's more offensive that we can't show on the air, but this one's one of my favorites.

• 1:20:51Speaker 01

  Oh, I saw that. I think you sent that to me.

• 1:20:54Joe Rogan?

  I did. It's so funny. I, that's, see, that keep, this, Israel be like, we took out Hamas.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  Holy shit. We shouldn't be laughing, but that's fucking ridiculous.

• 1:21:08Joe Rogan?

  Bro, it's funny.

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  It is crazy, though.

• 1:21:09Joe Rogan?

  It's funny, listen, this is, you wanna live? You wanna live your life? You can, you gotta, you can't decide what's funny.

• 1:21:14Speaker 01

  You gotta laugh.

• 1:21:15Joe Rogan?

  There's, that's funny. I'm not mocking anyone's death, and I'm, I'm, I think it's a terrible thing that it happened at all. But it's also, there's, you know, this is the Charlie Kirk question. When Charlie Kirk was on Patrick Bed David, it's like, why did it take so long for them to respond? Was there a stand down order? Was there, like, so, people get all conspiratorial with stuff like that, and then, then things get real weird, because there is this thing that we don't wanna believe, but we do know is true, that there are certain groups in this world that are very motivated to have a war. And no one wants to believe that. No, everyone wants to believe the only reason to have a military is because we're the just, righteous, great country of the United States of America, and we don't do anything unless

• 1:21:58Joe Rogan?

  we're defending ourselves, or defending some other democracy that's being destroyed by communism, or whatever.

• 1:22:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:04Joe Rogan?

  Right? We like to think that.

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:07Joe Rogan?

  That's not totally real. And Smedley Butler figured that out in 1933, when he wrote War is a Racket. And that's still today. The idea that in 2025, that that's not the case anymore, that would be very naive.

• 1:22:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:22:21Joe Rogan?

  And it's not just America.

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  Right. They profit from instability.

• 1:22:24Joe Rogan?

  They profit, and then it also, Bill Clinton literally said that Bibi, and this is Bill Clinton's words, Bibi Netanyahu wants there to be a war, so he stays in power.

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  He said that?

• 1:22:34Joe Rogan?

  Bill Clinton did, recently. He's like, fuck it, I'm old, I'mma start telling the truth.

• 1:22:39Speaker 01

  Tell some money.

• 1:22:40Joe Rogan?

  By the way, I love getting my dick sucked. Can I tell you, that's one of the number one reasons why I became president. They all wanted to suck it. Everybody wanted to suck it once I was in that office.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  They did.

• 1:22:53Joe Rogan?

  So I fucked up, and I got one girl with a big mouth, she was a little young, I fucked up, I got crazy.

• 1:22:59Speaker 01

  Left a spot on her dress.

• 1:23:00Joe Rogan?

  But he's, he was saying this, and I guess he was just saying, look, look, the Epstein files are coming out, let me just fucking get real. Let me just get real and say-

• 1:23:08Speaker 01

  What do you, if I, gun to your head, what do you think, your best assessment of what Epstein, who, who was Epstein? Who was he working for?

• 1:23:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't know, right? So I'm just guessing. Everybody wants to say he was working for the Mossad, he very well could have been, he could have been working for the CIA. He could have been a guy who was on his own, but also working with them, right? Like a guy that they used, but they never fully endorsed.

• 1:23:38Speaker 01

  Like an asset?

• 1:23:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:40Joe Rogan?

  And a guy who could move money around. He definitely-

• 1:23:43Speaker 01

  Good at laundering money.

• 1:23:44Joe Rogan?

  The, the moving money around stuff was very weird, because he had money through no way that anybody could ever explain. He had a, an enormous amount of money through no way that nobody could ever explain. Which, you know, if you're a state-funded, you're funded by Israel, and Israel's funded by America, and you know, there's also NGOs and nonprofits, and there's ways to move money around, where you can give this guy money.

• 1:24:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:08Joe Rogan?

  So he was like, Weinstein, who is an economist, right? Well, Weinstein's a legitimate mathematician.

• 1:24:14Speaker 01

  Eric?

• 1:24:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So when Eric met him, his first inclination was he was a fraud.

• 1:24:19Speaker 01

  He's a construct.

• 1:24:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a construct. And did he tell you the whole story about the girl sitting on his lap?

• 1:24:23Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:24:24Joe Rogan?

  So Epstein, while he's meeting with Eric Weinstein for the first time, has a beautiful girl sitting on his lap, and he, a woman, I shouldn't say girl. She was, he said she was like in her twenties. And she's sitting on his lap, and he's bouncing around, so her tits are juggling around.

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  And he's asking math questions.

• 1:24:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, talking serious. So, he was obviously nerd fishing. He was fishing for nerds, and I think he caught a lot of nerds in that net. There's a lot of those guys that wound up going to that island, and they probably thought, this is great, we get to party.

• 1:24:57Speaker 01

  Nothing's free.

• 1:24:57Joe Rogan?

  And they probably felt like they were rock stars, because they get to hang out with the intellectual elite on an island, with a guy who's just a billionaire philanthropist, who's eccentric, who just loves women, he's a professor- Bachelor and it all seemed too good to be true.

• 1:25:11Speaker 01

  So true.

• 1:25:12Joe Rogan?

  Because it was. So he was, I think he was an asset, whether or not it was for the Mossad strictly or Israel strictly. Or the United States strictly, whether it was CIA thing, what I don't know. But I think it was a probably a part of a blackmail compromise effort. Because those guys, there's a fucking dirty secret about these people that are in Congress and they party. Okay, they're regular guys. And regular women and they're in their thirties or forties or whatever they are and every now and then they do coke. And they get drunk and they.

• 1:25:49Speaker 01

  Human beings.

• 1:25:50Joe Rogan?

  Remember that DC madam? Had a whole book of people and then she wound up committing suicide. She said, I'm not suicidal and.

• 1:25:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because there's probably a lot like that and those kind of honeypot operations. They let these freaks know like, hey, you're gonna be safe with me. Charlie will take care of everything. Look, Bill Clinton, you should come here. Don't worry about it. Yeah, we're gonna go to the island.

• 1:26:11Speaker 01

  That's a big endorsement. It's like presidents, we're here, so it must be a secure area.

• 1:26:14Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:26:15Speaker 01

  I can get down.

• 1:26:16Joe Rogan?

  On the island with Bill. This is fine.

• 1:26:18Speaker 01

  And all these girls show up and you're like, well, this is Christmas in July.

• 1:26:22Joe Rogan?

  Bill is really interested in string theory. He'd like to talk to you about string theory. So you're sitting down there having cocktails while. Bill Clinton's getting a massage from some girl was rubbing her tits against the back of his head while she's massaging. Like, that's really interesting. Hey, I'm gonna, I'm kinda tired. I'm gonna take a nap.

• 1:26:38Speaker 01

  Another thing about black holes.

• 1:26:41Joe Rogan?

  And I think they all thought that it was this lovely exchange of powerful people and brilliant people. And then they were just getting dirt on all of them. Guys cheating on their wives, guys. Whether knowingly or unknowingly having sex with underage girls.

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  Everybody wants to be.

• 1:26:58Joe Rogan?

  Maybe some guys, that was their thing. Cause it seemed like with Epstein, that was his thing.

• 1:27:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I think too. That's, I don't think there's any evidence to either. I think it's all been, I don't think there was collected with that plea deal, and I don't think there's any list that's gonna point to. There's no smoking gun.

• 1:27:15Joe Rogan?

  I don't know about that.

• 1:27:16Speaker 01

  I think it's all been, you know, taken care of. I, I think that it's, I think you could open up every file.

• 1:27:21Joe Rogan?

  But that's the truth. Why did they have all those files? Why'd they parade around with these binders?

• 1:27:26Speaker 01

  Because a lot of-

• 1:27:27Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember those photo ops that they said? Like, look, they did like a thing, we have the Epstein files right here, and they had binders. Like, what, what kind of political theater is that? If you don't really have the Epstein files, like, what is that?

• 1:27:40Speaker 01

  And what I mean by that is, I think, like, if they are keeping something quiet, it's because it's, it's video of underage girls, or it's video of the victims who don't want that to be out there. And that's, you can't, the Justice Department cannot make that public. They cannot, they cannot bring that to Congress. That's all sealed, for their privacy, right?

• 1:28:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, that is the argument, but then they're saying now that there are no files. They're saying there's no video.

• 1:28:05Speaker 01

  I believe that. Don't you?

• 1:28:07Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I think they have video. I think if you've got an island and you want compromise on people, you can't just have hearsay.

• 1:28:13Speaker 01

  I would say, I would agree.

• 1:28:14Joe Rogan?

  I watched him fuck that girl. Let's, let's, let's sue him. No, that's not how it works. You have to have video, and then you have to show it to the guy. Like, uh, Mr. Clinton, have a seat.

• 1:28:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. But I would agree with that, except for I think if there is video, that's somewhere in the, in the archives of an intelligence agency. That's not getting out. And I think when he had that plea deal in 2008, uh, he got tipped off, remember? And when the feds or whoever, when, I think it was the Florida Police Department came to kinda collect all the evidence in Palm Beach, uh, those computers weren't there anymore. So all that shit was scrubbed. All that shit was taken out. So, and part of a plea deal is you don't, you don't collect evidence. There is no evidence. You, you, when you have a plea deal, nobody is collecting any evidence. You understand? So it's not like we're gonna collect evidence. No, no, no. The part of the plea deal is, we are not, this investigation is over. You plead, you do your time.

• 1:29:11Speaker 01

  Uh, in this jail where you have to, you can go out and play golf during the day, but you have to come back at night.

• 1:29:16Joe Rogan?

  No, he was under home arrest. He would only have to go there like a couple of days a week.

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  Right. He'd be in, he'd have to go to the county jail in Palm Beach during the day. Right. So, that's what I'm saying is I think all that shit is corrupt.

• 1:29:30Joe Rogan?

  He did like weekends. He did like weekends in the jail. I'm not kidding. I think they allowed him to work.

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  Money talks, baby.

• 1:29:35Joe Rogan?

  It's not just money talks, it's influence. And the, the guy who was the arresting sheriff was told this guy was intelligent. Yeah, that's what he was told. So, I would assume that that guy's telling the truth because he's a sheriff. He's got no reason to lie or whoever he was.

• 1:29:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:29:53Joe Rogan?

  But I think there's a lot of super powerful people that are very, very, very wealthy and they have the ability to say whether or not things get out.

• 1:30:04Speaker 01

  I think, I think it's interesting how some ideas take root and, and stay strong. Like, you know, sometimes you'll just find that people will just all of a sudden, everybody will start agreeing on one thing. Like that whole transgender movement, like that just came out of nowhere in a way. I mean, it'd been around, it'd been percolating, but it gets co-opted and then all of a sudden everybody is just.

• 1:30:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's foreign governments for sure involved. I mean, to what extent?

• 1:30:28Speaker 01

  You mean like bots and stuff, like foreign, foreign influence?

• 1:30:31Joe Rogan?

  China, China spent a lot of money pushing transgender ideology on America. Yeah.

• 1:30:36Speaker 01

  That makes sense.

• 1:30:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Um, and this is not, if you're a transgender person hearing this, it's not to deny you. I'm just saying that what, what China has done was push people further and further towards not just acceptance, but indoctrination. And, um, I, I think they also want outrage. They want us fighting with each other about stuff. So like they'll, they'll push all kinds of crazy stuff. Like one of the things that is really nuts that I used to bring up and people would say, this is ridiculous. Who believes this? It's that pedophilia is not a crime, that it's a sexual orientation. This lady who's running for governor of California.

• 1:31:21Joe Rogan?

  This crazy lady.

• 1:31:22Speaker 01

  Porter, whatever the fuck her name is.

• 1:31:23Joe Rogan?

  Katie Porter that screams at her staff, get out of my fucking shot.

• 1:31:26Speaker 01

  She's the worst.

• 1:31:27Joe Rogan?

  She looks like the way she talks. Like the way she talks when, when the cameras are rolling and she doesn't think anybody's gonna see it. Like what a monster.

• 1:31:37Speaker 01

  She's the worst.

• 1:31:38Joe Rogan?

  But she did one of those interviews where she was talking about pedophilia. And she was talking about.

• 1:31:44Speaker 01

  Minor attracted people, you mean maps?

• 1:31:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, see, I used to say that, that they're talking about this in certain universities and people like that is never gonna go anywhere. No one's gonna buy into that. This lady's running for the governor of California and she said that. What is her exact quote? On minor attracted persons or people that are, but she was talking about criminalizing that.

• 1:32:08Speaker 01

  Well, the, can I tell you what that philosophy is there? Cause I've actually read about it. So here's the idea. You, you're a pedophile, which means, um, by the way, really weird thing, you can look this up, Jamie. A lot of pedophilia pedophiles are left-handed. Did you know that?

• 1:32:22Joe Rogan?

  Look out lefties.

• 1:32:23Speaker 01

  Well, the significance there is that it's neurological, right? There's a, there's a, there's a condition in the brain, right? Okay, so you, you're attracted to minors. It just happens to you. It's a curse. Holy shit. I see a seven-year-old or whatever the fuck it is. Um, okay. So the idea is this, you have this affliction. You might be a, you might be a person who's otherwise, uh, pays his taxes, loves his mom, loves his friends.

• 1:32:46Joe Rogan?

  You just don't act on this thing.

• 1:32:48Speaker 01

  Right. Now watch. Now they have this overwhelming urge, the way somebody would have, say, if they're a gambler, whatever the fuck it is. And they have no one to talk to, cause if they go to a therapist, the therapist has to tell the police.

• 1:33:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:33:00Speaker 01

  Okay, so now you, you have no one to talk to. So the idea, just this, the idea is if we de-stigmatize pedophilia and call it a minor attracted person. And, and you're allowed to talk to a therapist without having to be incarcerated. The idea would be maybe they can get help. And they won't touch kids because a professional can help them, et cetera, et cetera. That's the idea. I understand the, I understand the, I guess, philosophy behind that. But it's, we get into this very dangerous territory where everything becomes medicalized and everything becomes an excuse. So all of a sudden, we find out, and we may, Sapolsky says this, maybe in 20 years, we

• 1:33:44Speaker 01

  find out serial killers just had something wrong with their brain. And if we had the same lesion on our brain, we'd be the same way. I, you know.

• 1:33:51Joe Rogan?

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• 1:35:56Speaker 01

  But it doesn't mean you don't put those people away because they are a danger to society.

• 1:36:01Joe Rogan?

  There's a guy in Austin who stabbed a bunch of people at the university and I think it was in 2017 and he's getting released. He killed a kid.

• 1:36:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can't.

• 1:36:10Joe Rogan?

  Killed a very promising musician.

• 1:36:14Joe Rogan?

  And he went to a mental institution. So they, they, I think they said not guilty for reasons of insanity. So this guy's been on his medication and he hasn't hallucinated in a couple of years. So now they're releasing him from this mental institution to some sort of a, a home where they monitor them closely.

• 1:36:33Speaker 01

  No, until you can actually cut out that part of the brain.

• 1:36:36Joe Rogan?

  Represent Kate Porter say about minor attracted persons. So what did she say? Actual statement context. So what is her statement?

• 1:36:42Speaker 01

  So she, she said that she didn't say that minor attracted persons or pedophilia is an identity, nor did she say it's not a crime. Her actual comments have been repeatedly misrepresented online.

• 1:36:52Joe Rogan?

  Right, but I saw the video.

• 1:36:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:54Joe Rogan?

  Um, what did she say in the video? She never said it's not a crime.

• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  No, she was saying that.

• 1:36:59Joe Rogan?

  Her comments were solely focused on condemning baseless and dangerous rhetoric against LBG. Well, how is that LGBTQ?

• 1:37:08Speaker 01

  She was saying that people were making equivalence between LGBTQ community and groomers.

• 1:37:13Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, let's, let's, let's listen to what she actually said. See if you can find the video of her saying it. Cause then we'll get more understanding of it. Just use the AI and here's a, just see if you can find a video.

• 1:37:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think that's it. Here it is. Yeah.

• 1:37:31Speaker 04

  I wanted to start with Ms. Robinson, if I could. Your organization recently released a report analyzing the 500 most viewed, most influential tweets that identified LGBTQ people as so-called groomers. The groomer narrative is an age-old lie to position LGBTQ plus people as a threat to kids, and what it does is deny them access to public spaces, it stokes fear, and can even stoke violence. Ms. Robinson, according to its own hateful content policy, does Twitter allow posts calling LGBTQ people groomers?

• 1:38:13Speaker 06

  No. I mean, Twitter, along with Facebook and many others, have community guidelines. It's about holding users accountable to those guidelines and acknowledging that when we use phrases and words like groomers and pedophiles to describe people, individuals in our communities that are mothers, that are fathers, that are teachers, that are doctors, it is dangerous. And it's got one purpose. It is to dehumanize us and make us feel like we are not a part of this American society, and it has real-life consequences. So we are calling on social media companies to uphold their community standards. And we're also calling on any American that's seeing this play out to hold ourselves and our community

• 1:38:55Speaker 06

  members accountable. We wouldn't accept this in our families. We wouldn't accept this in our schools. There's no reason to accept it online.

• 1:39:01Speaker 01

  That's fair.

• 1:39:03Speaker 04

  I mean, I think you're absolutely right. And it's not, you know, this allegation of groomer and pedophile. It is alleging that a person is criminal somehow and engaged in criminal acts merely because of their identity.

• 1:39:16Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so that's what it is. So it's taken out of context.

• 1:39:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:39:19Joe Rogan?

  So it's connecting, it's connecting gay people and trans people to pedophilia by calling them groomers.

• 1:39:26Speaker 01

  That's why it's important to watch her, what she actually said, instead of getting your fucking information in snippets from TikTok from other people who have opinions. You're being game.

• 1:39:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is why a lot of people like... hated Charlie Kirk.

• 1:39:38Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:39:39Joe Rogan?

  Same thing.

• 1:39:39Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:39:39Joe Rogan?

  Those clips.

• 1:39:40Speaker 01

  Totally misunderstood what he said.

• 1:39:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, yes, yes, but also could have been avoided, you know, by not saying it the way he said it. Like, there were some certain things that he said, like one of them, when he was talking about, um, Katanji Brown Jackson, who's a Supreme Court Justice who graduated from Harvard, magna cum laude.

• 1:39:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:40:00Joe Rogan?

  So like, saying that you got, what is the exact words he used? Like, you didn't have the intellectual ability to be taken seriously.

• 1:40:12Speaker 01

  No, he said that DEI will put people.

• 1:40:14Joe Rogan?

  Right, but he was saying.

• 1:40:16Speaker 01

  Of power.

• 1:40:17Joe Rogan?

  I know what he's.

• 1:40:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:18Joe Rogan?

  But what I'm saying is, his, his saying, what he said that was fucked was, you took the spot from a white person. Like, I know what he was doing.

• 1:40:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:29Joe Rogan?

  He was trying to make a point.

• 1:40:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:40:30Joe Rogan?

  And he was trying to make a point that affirmative action, that we should be living in a meritocracy.

• 1:40:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:40:35Joe Rogan?

  And that we shouldn't be having lower standards for people, but she didn't, there's no evidence that she had any lower standards.

• 1:40:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:40:43Joe Rogan?

  The part of the problem with Katanji Brown Jackson, like, you might disagree with her.

• 1:40:47Speaker 01

  She's qualified.

• 1:40:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and I disagree. When she, when they asked her about what is a woman, when she was getting confirmed, and she's like, uh, I'm not a biologist, right? But you're a woman and you have kids.

• 1:40:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:40:58Joe Rogan?

  So like, cut the shit. You're giving into an ideology now. You know what a woman is. A woman is a biological female human being.

• 1:41:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:04Joe Rogan?

  Does that mean that there aren't men who feel like they're a biological female human being and they have gender dysphoria? No, it doesn't mean that. That's true too. But when you ask me what a woman is, it's a biological female human being that is responsible for every fucking life that's on earth. It's like, it's a very important distinction.

• 1:41:23Speaker 01

  You think, yeah.

• 1:41:23Joe Rogan?

  Every human being on earth came from a woman, like.

• 1:41:27Speaker 01

  But this goes back to you and I talking about when you're busy and you're trying to, you're running a business, you're building a brand, you're trying to write jokes, whatever it might be. I don't have time, dude. I, I like, it's like, the rest of us are trying to, I got kids and I got bills and I got a lot of stuff I have to do. It's, it's really hard to do everything.

• 1:41:43Joe Rogan?

  So you watch a snippet on TikTok and then you get an opinion of someone.

• 1:41:46Speaker 01

  I also don't have time. What do you mean by pronouns? Uh, what, like, right now, I'm, I'm busy over here. Like, I.

• 1:41:52Joe Rogan?

  Right. But you're also not indoctrinated. You didn't go to school in 2015, you know?

• 1:41:59Speaker 01

  But I have a theory.

• 1:42:00Joe Rogan?

  A long time ago.

• 1:42:01Speaker 01

  Here's my theory. I want to hear what you think of this. I was thinking about this. I think part of the transgender thing, at least in colleges and among, and it's interesting how it took root in places of higher education. I think what happened was there was currency in being a minority. There was currency in being oppressed. There's currency in being somebody who's marginalized and struggling. There's, there's, there's something, when you are not that, when you are not in those positions, there's, when you're looking at it, somehow it got a little bit romanticized.

• 1:42:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, sure. Especially if you're an advantaged, advantaged, uh, white kid, then you can be non-binary. You have no skin in the game.

• 1:42:42Speaker 01

  That's what I was saying.

• 1:42:43Joe Rogan?

  You get to be a part of that clan.

• 1:42:44Speaker 01

  You get to be a minority, and if you're black, brown, indigenous, you had to go through slavery, hundreds of years of, of brutal colonization. But when you're white, you can be blond-haired, blue-eyed, come from a great family, but you can be a minority on the same level as somebody who's black because you feel like it. Because you, your, your feeling, you have your feelings, you feel like a minority, therefore, I don't have to pay a price for anything. But I get to be on, I get to be on the same level. I can be a bigger minority than Dave Chappelle, who's a black man, because, you know, he's, he's, he's attacking me, so now I can attack him because I'm the most vulnerable minority. And I think, I hate to be cynical, but that's a big driver for a lot of people.

• 1:43:28Speaker 01

  You know, I'm not saying that transgender people don't exist, but you have that shit.

• 1:43:32Joe Rogan?

  There's certainly that. But there's also this cultural narrative that supporting that makes you a good person on the right side of things. Did you see the, the debate? They had a debate on Vice. Vice does these weird debates, and the, the way they did this one was very strange. It was about, uh, it was women, uh, and these feminists and, uh, and these other women that were talking about, um, trans people and whether or not trans people are women. And it got super performative. And here, I'll send it to you.

• 1:44:05Speaker 01

  I want to do this on my podcast.

• 1:44:07Joe Rogan?

  It got super performative and su, it, it was like, trans women are women. Like, that's not an argument. Like, what you're saying, this lady has a point about showers and locker rooms and, and competing in sports. And this is, to deny that this is a point, here, play this.

• 1:44:25Speaker 07

  Trans women be included in feminist conversations? How about in women's spaces?

• 1:44:31Speaker 08

  Yes, they're women.

• 1:44:32Speaker 01

  Oh, boy. Yeah.

• 1:44:33Speaker 08

  What's the question? Trans women are women. So, I want to come at this from the position of an athlete. Oh, Jesus. So, I play semi-pro basketball, semi-pro volleyball. So, when it comes to athletic spaces, I don't think that trans women should be allowed into athletic spaces. Because I don't think it's a fair... I think as female athletes, we work so incredibly hard for the little opportunity there is in women's sports. Would this be a barrier for you? There's no barrier. There's less opportunity in some industries. That's what a barrier is. There's less... It's not... No, no, no. It's based on the market.

• 1:45:08Speaker 07

  Hold on, hold on, guys.

• 1:45:10Speaker 08

  So, again, we work very hard for the little opportunity that we're given. And the problem is, like, we can't compete. We can't. Like, I'm six foot. If I go up against a six-foot guy and I play basketball with him, he's gonna body me. And what happens if I go up against you?

• 1:45:26Speaker 07

  Hold on. Y'all, y'all, hold on.

• 1:45:28Speaker 08

  Even if I have years more of training. And so, it's like you're taking away the little opportunity that we're given and we all work so hard for. It will be the end of women's sports. Have you tried confidence? Sorry, confidence can't make me bench what a guy benches. I don't understand why you guys are so hostile. She's sharing her experience in a specific field.

• 1:45:49Speaker 00

  And I'd have to go...

• 1:45:50Speaker 08

  No, she's not. She's a woman who's had an experience.

• 1:45:53Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna kill it. Kill it. The woman who's...

• 1:45:57Speaker 01

  I watched that a long time ago.

• 1:45:58Joe Rogan?

  Dressed like a man with short hair said she's trans misogyny.

• 1:46:02Speaker 01

  That's a trans man, by the way.

• 1:46:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's a man?

• 1:46:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a man who's now a woman, yes.

• 1:46:06Joe Rogan?

  See, that I don't have a problem with. Try that. You could go ahead and do that.

• 1:46:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:11Joe Rogan?

  That doesn't bother me at all. Like, if trans men want to invade men's spaces and pee next to us with a funnel, go for it. I do not care at all. You know why? Because you can't rape me.

• 1:46:21Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:46:21Joe Rogan?

  Right? That's the real problem with trans men, is that men are creeps.

• 1:46:25Speaker 01

  And especially in female prisons.

• 1:46:27Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Female prisons is a huge one, huge one. But it's also just female locker rooms. So, like, some guy with his dick hanging out is pretending... He's a woman.

• 1:46:35Speaker 01

  I think.

• 1:46:35Joe Rogan?

  That's real too. There's trans women. And then there's perverts who enter into these spaces.

• 1:46:41Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:46:41Joe Rogan?

  This is, you've given them a Willy Wonka golden ticket.

• 1:46:44Speaker 01

  It's like, it's like pedophiles who found a safe haven when they could put on a, the robes of a priest.

• 1:46:50Joe Rogan?

  And the crazy thing is like a lot of these things, like that one in LA, that, uh, the health club that was, they got protested because they kicked a trans woman out of the locker room.

• 1:47:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:02Joe Rogan?

  Multiple time sex offender.

• 1:47:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:05Joe Rogan?

  Multiple time sex offender.

• 1:47:06Speaker 01

  That's crazy. What? That happens sometimes, yeah.

• 1:47:08Joe Rogan?

  So someone who's a fucking freak.

• 1:47:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:11Joe Rogan?

  Who decides, oh, I'm a woman now and I'm just gonna let my dick shine. I'll just polish it up in front of these ladies.

• 1:47:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:47:18Joe Rogan?

  So you could just oil up your dick in front of, you know, some people who are just trying to get to yoga class.

• 1:47:23Speaker 01

  I think that conversation's been won.

• 1:47:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:26Speaker 01

  Hasn't it?

• 1:47:26Joe Rogan?

  Not totally. Look at those ladies.

• 1:47:28Speaker 01

  Trans women, women. That's a while ago. That was actually five years ago.

• 1:47:29Joe Rogan?

  Trans women, women.

• 1:47:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:31Joe Rogan?

  Trans women, women. Was it five years ago?

• 1:47:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, I think though, here's what, here's what I think is important.

• 1:47:36Speaker 01

  What's the question? Just that. What are we saying? Yeah.

• 1:47:40Joe Rogan?

  It's Katie Porter energy.

• 1:47:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, like what?

• 1:47:42Joe Rogan?

  That's the same energy.

• 1:47:43Speaker 01

  They, well, they stopped the conversation, right? You gotta, you gotta, I don't, I'm not gonna talk to you. I've already made up my mind.

• 1:47:48Joe Rogan?

  Well.

• 1:47:48Speaker 01

  That's a religion though, right? That's a religious person.

• 1:47:50Joe Rogan?

  That's a religion. Yeah. You're, you're going along party lines the same way you would, you know, by not eating things that are haram.

• 1:47:58Speaker 01

  I try to, I try to, um, I think that if you're gonna be like, I was saying about that.

• 1:48:02Joe Rogan?

  Haram's bad, right? Halal.

• 1:48:03Speaker 01

  Haram is a, is an Arabic term for, for essentially against God in a way.

• 1:48:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:48:08Speaker 01

  It's forbidden. Haram, I think means forbidden. But, um.

• 1:48:11Joe Rogan?

  Sucking dicks.

• 1:48:12Speaker 01

  That's why I said Haram.

• 1:48:13Joe Rogan?

  Is sucking dicks Haram?

• 1:48:15Speaker 01

  Well. Only if you're, if you're smiling. I think if you're frowning, you're allowed to. I'm not sure how.

• 1:48:20Joe Rogan?

  You know what's really crazy? The number one place in the world for the longest time where people got transgender surgeries was Iran. And it wasn't because they were supportive of transgender people, it's because they were punishing gay people.

• 1:48:31Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:48:32Joe Rogan?

  So the only, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the only way to be a gay man in a gay relationship, one of you motherfuckers is gonna have to lose a dick.

• 1:48:40Speaker 01

  Now, I wonder if that's true. I heard that actually, and I wonder if that, is it?

• 1:48:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's true.

• 1:48:45Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:48:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, they, they would punish gay people.

• 1:48:49Speaker 01

  That's horrifying, to punish somebody that way.

• 1:48:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, I don't know if it's still number one, but I think that's also the, the origin of ladyboys in Thailand. I think a lot of them, yeah, I think for a long time, it was illegal to be gay in Thailand.

• 1:49:02Speaker 01

  I saw some very feminine looking ladyboys.

• 1:49:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the thing, if you're gonna be a trans person, being a small Asian really helps.

• 1:49:10Speaker 01

  Not a Samoan.

• 1:49:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:49:11Speaker 01

  Bad bone structure. Bad bone structure, sir.

• 1:49:14Joe Rogan?

  But, but, trans people, like, the mountain is trans, it's a real issue.

• 1:49:18Speaker 01

  It's not gonna go well, Brian Shaw is not gonna make a pretty woman.

• 1:49:21Joe Rogan?

  Right, imagine him being on that volleyball team, shut the fuck up.

• 1:49:23Speaker 01

  We have no high heels here, sir. He's a woman, I mean, she, she's a woman. Yeah. Trans women are women, what's the question? Yeah, good luck. What's the question? Good luck.

• 1:49:31Joe Rogan?

  What is, like, what are you saying? You, you should be studied in a museum. They should, they're gonna, one day they're gonna look at that lady, and that ideology, like, look at this virus that infected these people's brains.

• 1:49:41Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 1:49:41Joe Rogan?

  It's bananas.

• 1:49:42Speaker 01

  But, you know, but, I think, like, with the Charlie Kirk thing, when people were celebrating, right? Horrible, but I, I was saying, man, we better hold ourselves to, if you wanna be somebody who's, let's call, I call myself a traditionalist, or whatever the fuck it is, maybe I'm a little right to center, depending on the subject, maybe I'm left and this. But, I thought that was horrific, but, you gotta hold yourself to a high fucking standard, meaning, you know, Trayvon Martin's killer, George Zimmerman, he signs autographs at gun shows, he signs Skittles. You know, I know they had a struggle and stuff, but that was a kid who was doing no crime, at all.

• 1:50:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, he was just being harassed by a guy who was playing a cop.

• 1:50:16Speaker 01

  And, and, and, and that guy's gun sold for something like $250,000. So, how do you think his family feels? How do you think people on, on that side? So, so, don't be a fucking hypocrite, it's real easy to be a hypocrite.

• 1:50:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:50:29Speaker 01

  And I, and what, Charlie Kirk was guilty of doing nothing other than taking his ideas and pitting them against all comers. That's beautiful.

• 1:50:37Joe Rogan?

  Right, and if you disagree with those ideas, the real way to handle it is to address them.

• 1:50:42Speaker 01

  Beat it with a better idea.

• 1:50:43Joe Rogan?

  But, the problem is, most people don't have an opportunity to communicate with him. And so they see these young kids communicating with him on these college campuses and him trouncing these young kids. And you see things getting, you know, combative or argumentative. And then you see clips, and so the clips, the little tiny ones, like you don't have the intellectual capacity to be taken seriously. And so you, you gotta take your spot from a white person. Like, just that clip is a real problem. Because he didn't have to say it that way, but I know what he was trying to say. What he should've said is a more qualified person, because in reality, the people that get discriminated the most and when it comes to particularly universities, are Asians.

• 1:51:28Joe Rogan?

  So if you wanted to like, have a, a theory of white supremacy, that goes out the window when you look at standards that universities have. Because the people that they discriminate against the most are Asians.

• 1:51:42Speaker 01

  Chinese.

• 1:51:42Joe Rogan?

  Because they do so well.

• 1:51:45Speaker 01

  Crush.

• 1:51:46Joe Rogan?

  They crush.

• 1:51:47Speaker 01

  They crush.

• 1:51:47Joe Rogan?

  Because they have old school immigrant mentality, as Joey Diaz likes to say.

• 1:51:51Speaker 01

  You'll never see, by the way, you will never see a Chinese or an Asian, but Chinese, Korean, or Japanese person. You'll never see them complain.

• 1:51:58Joe Rogan?

  But Bobby Lee will complain up a storm.

• 1:52:00Speaker 01

  Bobby's different, Bobby's different.

• 1:52:01Joe Rogan?

  There's a few.

• 1:52:01Speaker 01

  But Bobby's also hilarious.

• 1:52:02Joe Rogan?

  A few made it through the net that will complain up a storm.

• 1:52:04Speaker 01

  Bobby's a comic though, Bobby's like a great comic, so it's different, but.

• 1:52:07Joe Rogan?

  It is, but I'm just joking.

• 1:52:08Speaker 01

  For the most, yeah, for the most part.

• 1:52:09Joe Rogan?

  But they don't all have discipline is the part.

• 1:52:11Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:52:11Joe Rogan?

  But they are hardworking, like as a group.

• 1:52:15Speaker 01

  They excel.

• 1:52:16Joe Rogan?

  They're hardworking people. And they, they rarely complain and they rarely protest. So when they have to sue Harvard, it's probably because of something real. And it turns out, it was because of something real. And it's not just Harvard, it's multiple universities have higher standards that they apply to Asian people. Because the Asian people work harder. And because they don't want their school to be overrun by Asians. But I say, tough shit. If you can't compete, this is a fucking meritocracy.

• 1:52:43Speaker 01

  It's a meritocracy.

• 1:52:44Joe Rogan?

  If it's a merit.

• 1:52:44Speaker 01

  They did the same thing to Jews in, in the 50s in Harvard. All these Jews were getting into Harvard, they're like, we have to have a quota, there's gonna be overrun with Jews.

• 1:52:51Joe Rogan?

  Tough shit.

• 1:52:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:53Joe Rogan?

  But then there's also the reality that people that live in poor communities have way shittier schools. And way less funding and way less hope, and that's bad for everybody.

• 1:53:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:53:04Joe Rogan?

  So I don't think the the the solution is to let unqualified people in. And this is like with affirmative action pissed a lot of people off. I think the solution is find the root of the problem and pump pump a bunch of resources into cleaning up communities and making these schools better and making these communities better. And coming up opening community centers and giving people a chance to get the fuck out of whatever. Give them some trades or skills or teach them sports or music or something that gives them hope that they can do outside of gang banging and selling crack. And the the you know, the thing that I always point to is that that could be you. If you were born in that area, that would be you.

• 1:53:48Joe Rogan?

  That's a human being that's trapped in this community. I don't think the solution is take this guy who's got Cs and give him a job over a guy who gets straight As. I think the solution is find out why this guy has Cs. Where did he come from? Why has this place been ignored? If we're real, if if leaders are real leaders, why would you ignore the most disenfranchised people in the world unless you're using them as political pawns? What you should do is try to figure out a way to make it profitable for businesses. The same way Halliburton like when we blew up Iraq, Halliburton came in and made a shit ton of money rebuilding things. Make it profitable to make these fucking communities safe again. Make it profitable to rebuild.

• 1:54:30Speaker 01

  But you have to start with telling the truth, okay? And people don't want to, so you we can't even get out of the fucking gates. So if I say something like, the biggest problem in some communities, by the way, certain white communities, definitely in certain black communities, the biggest problem is fatherlessness. If I say that, there are plenty of people that say that's that's we're we're already, I'm already going to push back because you're already being racist.

• 1:54:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the problem is it's a statistic, right? It is a statistic. And you know, that's one of many problems.

• 1:55:03Speaker 01

  Right. But I had, I never forgot when it comes back to Chinese stuff. I remember when, so if you look what the Chinese did to Manchuria in the in the 30s. Iris Chang wrote a book about it. I thought it was, I think it was called The Rape of Non-King. She did all the research. I'm sorry, the Japanese, I'm sorry, the Japanese and Chinese. And and Iris Chang ended up killing herself. And I think her mother or someone said it was because of the Just the trauma of doing the research of what they did.

• 1:55:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, they had contests to see who could kill the most people in a short amount of time with their sword.

• 1:55:34Speaker 01

  It was the most ferocious killing, besides, I think Rwanda in history, but a concentrated number. And I said to my Taekwondo teacher, I was in college, and he was Korean, and I said, "Why haven't the Chinese asked for some kind of reparation? Why haven't they sort of like asked for formal apologies and stuff?" And he said, "Because in Asian culture, Chinese, Korean culture, Japanese culture, the idea is this. The Chinese said, 'Oh, well, that happened to us because we allowed it to happen. We didn't, we didn't have our guard up. We weren't strong, and it'll never happen again, because you're never doing that to us again.'" And it was really fucking wild. I was like, "Damn, man, that's a, that's a crazy thing."

• 1:56:15Speaker 01

  But that's, that's inherent to that culture, which is radical responsibility. Like, you're responsible. I don't give a fuck. Chinese people have dealt with a lot of discrimination. I believe the word "chink" comes from them working on the railroad. So the sound of the "ching, ching," you know, like that.

• 1:56:34Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:56:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that's where it, look that up, Jimmy. That's where that, that, that, but they suffered a shitload of discrimination. And they just set up shop anywhere, in the worst neighborhoods, whatever it was. There's always Chinese restaurant right now, probably in the Congo.

• 1:56:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, let's find out. Let's use Perplexity, which is one of our sponsors.

• 1:56:50Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:56:50Joe Rogan?

  And see if that's where the origin of the word "chink" came from. Even saying that right there, so we could just clip that out. Oh, they're using, they're using slurs.

• 1:56:58Speaker 01

  They've come from me, it doesn't matter.

• 1:56:59Joe Rogan?

  They're using slurs. Um, but that does make sense, because...

• 1:57:04Speaker 01

  They just, they, there are no excuses. They just excel. You'll, you'll learn how to play a fucking classical instrument fluently and be great in finance.

• 1:57:11Joe Rogan?

  How did they get people to work on the railroads specifically from China? Like, what was the origin of that?

• 1:57:17Speaker 01

  I think they came here, I think it was part of the gold rush. And I think a number of them came here on the west coast, I think, through San Francisco.

• 1:57:26Joe Rogan?

  And how did wind up being the predominant workforce of the railroads?

• 1:57:30Speaker 01

  They needed, they needed labor.

• 1:57:31Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't say anything about the railroads.

• 1:57:32Speaker 01

  "Chink" is the name of the machine. Sorry if I'm wrong about this.

• 1:57:35Joe Rogan?

  From Perplexity, what's it say? Uh, "Iron chink fish butchering machine."

• 1:57:41Speaker 01

  Which replaced me.

• 1:57:42Joe Rogan?

  "1905 replaced many Chinese laborers in fisheries and reinforced the slur's prominence as a racist term during that period." Oh, wow. So that's crazy. So instead, okay. So the derogatory application may also stem from a resemblance to chink, meaning a narrow opening or a crack, like a chink in the armor. Huh.

• 1:58:04Speaker 01

  Fish butchering machine. Well, I guess I was wrong.

• 1:58:06Joe Rogan?

  But the fish butchering machine was about, it's an iron, it was doing the work of the Chinese people. So that's why they called it an iron chink. It's like a slur of the machine. It's not like they were named after the machine. Initially applied to Chinese immigrants. It's used broadly to target Eastern Asian people in general. So what was the origin? When did it start?

• 1:58:28Speaker 01

  Well, some of it.

• 1:58:29Joe Rogan?

  So eighteen eighty.

• 1:58:31Speaker 01

  I'm wrong.

• 1:58:32Joe Rogan?

  Coinciding with increased Chinese immigration to North America during the late nineteenth century when anti-Chinese sentiment was strong. Yeah, it seems like it's just short for China.

• 1:58:42Speaker 01

  All right, my bad.

• 1:58:43Joe Rogan?

  No worries. Makes sense, though.

• 1:58:45Speaker 01

  Sounded good.

• 1:58:46Joe Rogan?

  Sounds like one of those things someone says in a barber shop.

• 1:58:48Speaker 01

  I heard that from a Chinese person. So I was like, oh, I must be right.

• 1:58:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, interesting. Well, he probably believes it, too.

• 1:58:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:53Joe Rogan?

  He needs to use AI.

• 1:58:55Speaker 01

  Gotta use AI, baby.

• 1:58:55Joe Rogan?

  But AI is not always right. You know, there's, it's only based on what's out there. You know, there's, there's things that are just not factually correct, or there's a problem where whatever government or agency or whatever you're researching has pushed so much propaganda through that the standard of, what you like, standard of care or standard of education or standard of whatever is this incorrect stuff. Like, one of the weird things that Huberman was saying, when he, he was talking to one of his colleagues, who is a physician. And he said, what percentage of what is in the medical literature is incorrect? And he said fifty percent.

• 1:59:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I heard that. It's crazy.

• 1:59:40Joe Rogan?

  Fifty percent in medical schools incorrect. So you could research something like that and, you know, and it's in the medical literature, so the AI would assume that it's correct. But it is not correct.

• 1:59:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:55Joe Rogan?

  Because people are full of shit.

• 1:59:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:59:57Joe Rogan?

  And they don't like to be corrected and they don't like to admit when they're wrong.

• 2:00:01Speaker 01

  They're an orthodox.

• 2:00:02Joe Rogan?

  And they also don't like to rewrite history books and they don't like to rewrite things like. They push back real hard against that stuff. You know, like this idea that we're always on this like constant search for truth. So yeah, some people and some people in our constant search to protect their ego and their reputation because they've said one thing in the past.

• 2:00:22Speaker 01

  For thirty years.

• 2:00:23Joe Rogan?

  Yes, and they wrote books about it and they have to lie and obfuscate because they can't admit that they were wrong.

• 2:00:30Speaker 01

  I remember this guy who said, uh, he came up with the whole theory on echinacea, which is good for colds. And then they did this exhaustive study about echinacea and they were like, listen, we've done twenty five studies. It doesn't make a fucking dent, which I can attest to because I used to take a shitload of it and fucking stay, stay sick of shit.

• 2:00:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, people used to say echinacea and golden seal.

• 2:00:48Speaker 01

  That's right. And I took those two and I used to take the shit out of those.

• 2:00:51Joe Rogan?

  Problem is it's usually hippie chicks.

• 2:00:53Speaker 01

  Oh, fuck, man.

• 2:00:54Joe Rogan?

  It's their idea.

• 2:00:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:55Joe Rogan?

  You need to take echinacea, I'm like, okay, whatever.

• 2:00:58Speaker 01

  Somebody gave it to me and it was on the tail end of my cold and I was like, I'm better. And then I was like, I'm taking this fucking fuck off.

• 2:01:03Joe Rogan?

  What is the benefit, like, what do they say echinacea does? Is it support your immune system?

• 2:01:08Speaker 01

  It's a viral and anti-viral. Anyway, the guy who came up with the idea goes, I'm still taking it. That was his response.

• 2:01:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, let's find out what this, what does the studies show? Ask perplexity, what do the studies show about echinacea?

• 2:01:19Speaker 01

  I saw that with seed oil. I looked that up too. Seed oils, apparently there's no studies that say it's bad for you.

• 2:01:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's bad for you.

• 2:01:25Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 2:01:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, it's industrial lubricant. It's not really, like, just if you know all the process that's involved in, in, in making it. It's also not nearly as healthy as olive oil and you can get olive oil. Just use olive oil. Stop fucking around.

• 2:01:38Speaker 01

  I do.

• 2:01:39Joe Rogan?

  Or use beef tallow or.

• 2:01:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:41Joe Rogan?

  It's not human food, man. It's processed bullshit.

• 2:01:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:01:45Joe Rogan?

  Like that, just that alone.

• 2:01:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:01:47Joe Rogan?

  Like olive oil is fucking super healthy for you, really good for you and you can use that. So why are you, why are you using that bullshit?

• 2:01:55Speaker 01

  Olive oil is expensive.

• 2:01:56Joe Rogan?

  It's also, it's disgusting. Like the way they make it, if you've seen the way they make seed oils.

• 2:02:03Joe Rogan?

  What does it say? Immune and cold prevention. Many studies suggest echinacea may help support immune function and possibly reduce the number and severity of upper respiratory infections. Some trials, some trials found a small reduction in cold risk or illness duration while high quality reviews show little to no statistically significant benefit over placebo. That's all we need to know. We're good.

• 2:02:24Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 2:02:25Joe Rogan?

  We're good.

• 2:02:26Speaker 01

  That's it. But again, that's part of science, right? Like you, you, you look at that, you do a study, you see what works.

• 2:02:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:02:31Speaker 01

  And if it doesn't, it doesn't.

• 2:02:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:02:33Speaker 01

  But a lot of this stuff is complicated.

• 2:02:34Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:02:35Speaker 01

  You know, how you do a study, what you leave out.

• 2:02:37Joe Rogan?

  Also, who's funding the study?

• 2:02:38Speaker 01

  Who's funding the study is huge.

• 2:02:40Joe Rogan?

  Whether or not Fauci approves it.

• 2:02:41Speaker 01

  How big was the study? Yeah, all that stuff.

• 2:02:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:44Speaker 01

  And then, and then a lot of the stuff is also like, you have to have expertise in that field to even understand the research.

• 2:02:50Joe Rogan?

  Also, studies are much like corrupt boxing judges. It's like, what's the purpose of this? Like, what are you trying to do? You're trying to make a lot of money. If you're trying to make a lot of money, you can make a study where you can take a dosage that's preposterous and give it to a group of people and this fucks them up. And then you, you have a great base of saying, this is a dangerous drug.

• 2:03:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:03:13Joe Rogan?

  Do you wanna, I was watching this guy who's on Patrick Bet-David's show, there's something that I did not know. Do you know that heroin was created, it was termed as a solution to morphine addiction?

• 2:03:25Speaker 01

  Wow. But it is morphine.

• 2:03:27Joe Rogan?

  It's just slightly different. It's just like methadone. Methadone's fucking terrible for you.

• 2:03:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:33Joe Rogan?

  And that's what they use to get people off of heroin.

• 2:03:34Speaker 01

  I remember. I knew people who were, who would go to the methadone clinic.

• 2:03:37Joe Rogan?

  We'd call them the methadonians. We'd, when those play in pool at Executive Billiards in White Plains, New York, it was right down the street from a methadone clinic. And the methadonians would get their methad-

• 2:03:46Speaker 01

  Get out of here.

• 2:03:47Joe Rogan?

  Heroin was originally created as supposedly non-addictive substitute for morphine. Intended to treat morphine addiction and serve as a cough suppressant.

• 2:03:55Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:03:56Joe Rogan?

  Now, here's what's really crazy. Do you know that when they were inventing this stuff, one of the things that they also came up with was acetaminophen? And acetaminophen, they didn't want people to take because in studies, they showed that it fucks rats up.

• 2:04:12Speaker 01

  In their liver and stuff.

• 2:04:13Joe Rogan?

  Like, this is like, all these crazy liberals who are not, they're taking Tylenol because RFK Jr. said, "Don't take it." So like, "Fuck you, I'm taking Tylenol and I'm pregnant." Maybe it's okay to take Tylenol if you're pregnant. I don't know. But what I do know is it's the number one source. Acetaminophen is the number one source of acute liver failure in America. 500 people die in America every year from liver failure because of taking acetaminophen. So, don't take it.

• 2:04:42Speaker 01

  Or it's a dose thing, right?

• 2:04:45Joe Rogan?

  It's most certainly a dose thing.

• 2:04:46Speaker 01

  If a woman's pregnant and her temperature goes way up, it can kill the baby. So, there's a dosage you take that apparently is okay, right? So, you can take a certain amount.

• 2:04:56Joe Rogan?

  Perhaps. I don't know how you would find that out without having another woman with the exact same body take Tylenol and not have a problem and one that takes nothing and does a...

• 2:05:06Speaker 01

  Well, that's the thing I asked you about. Remember the meat thing? Where I talked to this guy who said that red meat...

• 2:05:11Joe Rogan?

  Hold on a second. What is this guy, Jamie? Acetaminophen has no direct chemical or historical connection with the invention or development of heroin. Yeah. No, no, that's not what we're saying. No, they developed... It's Bayer. They developed acetaminophen as well. It wasn't that it had a connection to heroin. It was just another thing that they developed that they didn't want to release because they found that it had problems. But this is the guy on Patrick Bet David. He wasn't saying that it was developed as a substitute for heroin. It's not nothing like heroin.

• 2:05:39Speaker 01

  Did you see what Patrick Bet David said about Porter?

• 2:05:42Joe Rogan?

  About who?

• 2:05:43Speaker 01

  About Katie Porter or whatever her name is?

• 2:05:45Joe Rogan?

  No, I didn't.

• 2:05:46Speaker 01

  It was so funny. He goes, "I just want to shout out to Katie Porter. She's fantastic." He's just like, "Just keep going, man. Just keep talking that way." And he was just... But the way he was doing it, it sounded like he was supporting her. But he was just like, "Just keep on going. You're telegenic. This is fantastic. You're great." He's fucking so funny. I love that guy.

• 2:06:05Joe Rogan?

  He's a great guy.

• 2:06:06Speaker 01

  I love that dude, man.

• 2:06:07Joe Rogan?

  He is a great guy.

• 2:06:07Speaker 01

  I get along with him.

• 2:06:08Joe Rogan?

  That is an unfortunate situation. And now she's, right now, drowning in anxiety. The wave of the people that are attacking her, and even unjustly because of the clip that we pulled up.

• 2:06:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:06:21Joe Rogan?

  Where she was talking about people connecting groomers to just regular LGBT people or LGBT people. The... Just the wave of hate that's coming her way. Especially when she yelled at her staff, "Get out of my fucking shot." Like, we all know that kind of person.

• 2:06:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:38Joe Rogan?

  We all know that.

• 2:06:39Speaker 01

  We know who you are. That's who you really are.

• 2:06:40Joe Rogan?

  That's who you are.

• 2:06:41Speaker 01

  That's the real you.

• 2:06:42Joe Rogan?

  We've seen people like that. We know those kind of people.

• 2:06:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, you know, I, I actually, as I get older, I think, um, how you think and what you actually hold in your mind and your heart, even if you try to keep it a secret.

• 2:06:55Joe Rogan?

  It comes out.

• 2:06:56Speaker 01

  It will always come out.

• 2:06:57Joe Rogan?

  That's why podcasts are so good.

• 2:06:59Speaker 01

  Fuck yeah, man. It's like, listen, your brain is a garden. You gotta de-weed it. You gotta keep your brain. You gotta keep your mind on the good things. People are gonna fuck you over. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta forgive them or you'll turn your own back on your future. All those little challenges.

• 2:07:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:14Speaker 01

  You're gonna have, you're gonna have hard shit that goes on. You're gonna come home. Your wife is gonna need you. You got kids. You can't bring that shit home. That, that is the discipline. That's being a warrior. Not all this fucking other stuff. Like, I'm fucking practicing my double and single. Like, I have no idea why I love, my son's taking jiu-jitsu, so I like to teach him. But, but at the end of the day, the, the challenges are keeping your mind and your heart pure. And I, I, I never used to speak this way, but as I get older, that's kind of really what I believe. Cause it's gonna fucking, you, you're not getting away with it.

• 2:07:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why you should stay off social media, because you'll have enemies all day long.

• 2:07:43Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:07:44Joe Rogan?

  And there's a lot of people that are our age that are complete addicts. They're just, especially the left people, for whatever reason. But, uh, I shouldn't say that. I know a lot of people on the right are addicted to it too.

• 2:07:54Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:07:55Joe Rogan?

  But it's just addicted to these arguments that people have constantly, every day, and calling people assholes and losers. And you're just carrying around all that bullshit with you all day.

• 2:08:03Speaker 01

  It's exhausting, dude.

• 2:08:04Joe Rogan?

  Which is why I don't do it. I mean, I could, I could go in on fucking every person that ever wronged me, or this, that, and said bad things about me, like, come on.

• 2:08:12Speaker 01

  I always do that. I always say, listen, I have friends that are like, I'm getting hate. I'm like, listen, dude, if you're getting hate, you're doing something right.

• 2:08:19Joe Rogan?

  Or you're a cunt. And maybe you should get your shit together.

• 2:08:21Speaker 01

  Maybe the people are right.

• 2:08:24Joe Rogan?

  Or you're a cunt. It's, you never know. Like, you know, there's a certain amount of criticism that you should respect. You should look at it and go, but a lot of it is straw man criticism. And the, the reason why people are doing it is not really, they're not really criticizing you, or what you stand for. They're making up a thing.

• 2:08:38Speaker 01

  I like it though.

• 2:08:39Joe Rogan?

  To pretend that you stand for that thing, and then they're attacking that.

• 2:08:42Speaker 01

  I get, I get checked up sometimes. I'll, I, I no longer, like, I'll read a book and I'll become an expert. Like, I'll read a book, a half a book, on nutrition.

• 2:08:50Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you, you'll read a fucking headline. Why are you lying?

• 2:08:52Speaker 01

  Dude, I'll read a headline, bro. And I'm, and you better sit down at my feet, cause I got some shit to teach you. And, uh, I was waxing.

• 2:08:58Joe Rogan?

  Weinstein said something to Terrence Howard once that I'll never forget. Really important thing. He said, "Stop teaching." Stop trying to teach people. You're not an expert.

• 2:09:07Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:09:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:08Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 2:09:08Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, in his case, it was very personal because Terrence was talking about mathematics and physics.

• 2:09:14Speaker 01

  I listened to that.

• 2:09:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It was very important for him because like, you know, we know Eric very well.

• 2:09:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:20Joe Rogan?

  And, but there's a lot of people that think Eric's an idiot, which is hilarious.

• 2:09:23Speaker 01

  That's hilarious.

• 2:09:24Joe Rogan?

  It's funny.

• 2:09:24Speaker 01

  Good job. Good luck with that.

• 2:09:25Joe Rogan?

  And smart people, there's smart people that decided he's an idiot and a fraud. And I've seen videos where smart people are tearing him apart. And I'm like, that's interesting. Okay, that's so uncharitable and not necessary. And even if you have criticisms about the way he communicates, you gotta understand that the way he communicates to him is normal.

• 2:09:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:44Joe Rogan?

  Right? Because he's really fucking smart.

• 2:09:46Speaker 01

  He's an inherently decent, beautiful person.

• 2:09:48Joe Rogan?

  He's a great guy.

• 2:09:48Speaker 01

  I love that guy.

• 2:09:49Joe Rogan?

  He's a great guy. He's a genuinely great guy. And he's, you know, not the kind of guy that goes out of his way to try to ruin other people.

• 2:09:55Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:09:55Joe Rogan?

  He's not doing that at all.

• 2:09:56Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:09:56Joe Rogan?

  And so I get that there's a, there's a currency in criticizing people. Like you can get clickbait headlines and clickbait videos, but that all comes at a cost too, because I'm never gonna really respect you. Because I'm gonna think that what you're doing when you're doing that kind of stuff is, I get it, it's because if it's a business, you're doing it on YouTube, it's the best way to get clicks. But this, this just-

• 2:10:19Speaker 01

  It's so gross though, man.

• 2:10:20Joe Rogan?

  Going out of the way to attack people, it's not smart.

• 2:10:23Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:10:24Joe Rogan?

  Because you're gonna be that guy forever. And then one day you're like fifty or sixty and you've built your whole brand on being a cunt.

• 2:10:32Speaker 01

  But also that same critic-

• 2:10:33Joe Rogan?

  Calling people out.

• 2:10:34Speaker 01

  That same critic comebacks to you, it comes, it turns around and comes back at you.

• 2:10:38Joe Rogan?

  Always.

• 2:10:38Speaker 01

  When you try to do something, because being good at anything is very hard. Like I got, I'm fucking dropping my special and I gotta write a whole new, I've been writing all new shit. That's fucking hard, not repeating yourself, trying to like shake up your paradigm. It's really hard. And you go through some days where you're like, I'm, I'm never gonna write a joke again.

• 2:10:57Joe Rogan?

  Right. And if somebody sees you on one of those days where you're eating dick, they're like, oh my god, he's terrible.

• 2:11:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:11:02Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Well, I've seen people say that about Louis. Like a friend of mine saw Louis in the cellar, he's like, "Oh, he sucked." I go, "No, he didn't suck, dude." He's got new bits that are brand new, and if you see an hour from, or a year from now, that hour will be a polished masterpiece.

• 2:11:18Speaker 01

  Oh, dude.

• 2:11:18Joe Rogan?

  But it doesn't come out of the box, perfect. And the only way to ever develop it is you have to have the courage to trot these ideas out and try to find where the funny is in them. And sometimes the funny isn't there, and you think it is, and you go looking around, you go, "All right, folks."

• 2:11:32Speaker 01

  There's no other way. There's no other way.

• 2:11:34Joe Rogan?

  It's your skills as a comedian to navigate those waters, but, you know.

• 2:11:38Speaker 01

  I did an interview on a radio thing, and this fucking guy who was, he had just started doing stand-up, was criticizing the, quote-unquote, "That right-wing hack comedian named Jim Brewer." And I went, I turned that interview, I was like, "Are you calling Jim fucking Brewer a hack? Do you know how funny that motherfucker is?

• 2:11:59Joe Rogan?

  He's so funny.

• 2:12:00Speaker 01

  Do you know how hard it is to be, to do what that dude does? Like, shut the fuck up. You've never done, you have 10 minutes of material. Shut up. That guy's a, that guy kills me. You ever see his routine about the fucking, when his cat got the shit kicked out of him by a raccoon? Oh, dude. "Who's your mother now?" He just got the shit kicked.

• 2:12:22Joe Rogan?

  He's so physical. He's such physically funny.

• 2:12:25Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 2:12:25Joe Rogan?

  And he's been really funny since I met him.

• 2:12:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's never not been funny.

• 2:12:28Joe Rogan?

  I met him in like 91 or 92.

• 2:12:30Speaker 01

  Funny then.

• 2:12:31Joe Rogan?

  He was great.

• 2:12:31Speaker 01

  Goat Boy?

• 2:12:32Joe Rogan?

  He was phenomenal. And he's a great guy, too. He's a great guy. And it's just like, people are always trying to build themselves up by taking other people down, and it's historic. It's been going on forever. It's always the case. And it's normal. Like, when you're young and you're coming up, and you see people that are doing better than you, like, "Fuck that guy." It's normal. But it's not beneficial. It's not good for you.

• 2:12:54Speaker 01

  You can use it to inspire you.

• 2:12:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:56Speaker 01

  That's what I do.

• 2:12:56Joe Rogan?

  I've done what they do. I've hated on people. I definitely did when I was younger. It's just not smart. It's not, it's not a good strategy for life.

• 2:13:04Speaker 01

  Doesn't help you.

• 2:13:05Joe Rogan?

  It's, you know, you, your identity gets too wrapped up in conflict, and it's just like, super unhealthy.

• 2:13:11Speaker 01

  Well, we know people our age who are still doing that shit.

• 2:13:14Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 2:13:14Speaker 01

  Comics.

• 2:13:15Joe Rogan?

  Mock Maron. Don't say it.

• 2:13:17Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't get it. You know, I'm like, I don't know.

• 2:13:20Joe Rogan?

  I get it. He's sad. He's sad. He wants other people to hurt. That's what it is.

• 2:13:26Speaker 01

  It's just not charitable.

• 2:13:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also, he's pathologically jealous. Like, he's been patho- he's like, literally mentally ill. Like, do you understand, Mark, when he first started, when he was just first coming up, was friends with Mitch Hedberg, and then Mitch Hedberg hit, and he couldn't be friends with him anymore.

• 2:13:42Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:13:42Joe Rogan?

  Yep. Stop being his friend. Same thing with Louis CK. Louis CK and him were tight. Louis blew up, Mark didn't. He, he had to fucking hate him, and he turned on him. Talked shit about him, talked shit about him openly. And then, he became successful. And the years where Mark was successful were the best years of Mark, because Mark was fun. Like, I've had ups and downs with Mark. I've gone through this with him like, three or four different times. Where we, he gets upset at me, and then we talk, and then, "Are we good?" "We're good." Like, he likes to do that. He likes to talk shit about you, and then you confront him, and he says, "You're right." And with me, my, my relationship with him was really complicated, because when I was an open mic'er,

• 2:14:25Joe Rogan?

  I was 21 years old, and I was just starting out. Mark gave me a compliment once that really helped me. He came up to me, and he goes, "Hey, man, you're really funny. Just keep doing what you're doing. Don't let, don't listen to anybody else. Just keep doing what you're doing." I was like, "Wow, thank you."

• 2:14:36Speaker 01

  That's his best side. That's the good side.

• 2:14:38Joe Rogan?

  And he's not all bad. And he was a young guy back then, right? So he was just being cool. And then, over time, obviously, I became more famous than him, and more successful than him. And he does not like that. He fucking hates that. And the only time we were cool was when Mark was number one. So Mark, the podcast took off, and you gotta realize, it took off when he was deep into his 40s, right? And it was the number one podcast in the country. And he was on Rolling Stone Magazine, and, you know, he had his own show on IFC, The Maron Show, and he was fucking great. He was cool to hang with. He was fun. Because he didn't have to compare himself to anybody anymore, because he was a success.

• 2:15:19Joe Rogan?

  Like, he could look at his own success. He was doing a television show. He had his podcast. Everything was great. And we were cool. Like, we were friends. Like, I'd see him, I'd give him a hug. I'd say, "What's going on?" We would talk. We're, like, we're friendly at the store. We never hung out off, you know, off-site. But we were friendly. Like, we had pushed all the beef aside, and even did my podcast. We had a great time. And then, um...

• 2:15:45Joe Rogan?

  I started getting more successful and then my podcast passed his, then my podcast became number one and then the Spotify deal and that's when he started talking shit about me. So he started talking shit about me long before all this Trump stuff. This Trump stuff is just the most recent iteration of this bizarre thing that he does with people. And the first thing was he had decided that I was an asshole like just because the podcast took off, but it was, it was not a big deal. It was like I'd heard people say that he was saying things, but then after the Spotify deal, the Spotify deal was a real problem and that's when he started coming after me. And it was about vaccines.

• 2:16:29Joe Rogan?

  Like, so he was talking about me on stage about vaccines. It's like, by the way, everything I said was correct. The people that I had on my podcast were like Robert Malone, who got criticized, who, he has nine patents in the creation of mRNA technology.

• 2:16:44Speaker 01

  He's a vac, he's a vaccinologist. He's an immunologist.

• 2:16:46Joe Rogan?

  He took the vaccine himself and had a horrible adverse event, which is when he started becoming critical of it. And then he started doing the science and looking into the papers and the research and he was trying to sound the alarm. He was right. He was right. All these, Dr. Pierre Corry, he was right. Peter McCullough is the most published doctor in human history in his particular field of expertise.

• 2:17:10Speaker 01

  Which is, which is immunology?

• 2:17:11Joe Rogan?

  It's kidney disease. I, I don't, I don't exactly.

• 2:17:16Speaker 01

  But he's a scientist.

• 2:17:17Joe Rogan?

  Very well published and accredited scientist. So these are the people that I had on that were talking about this stuff. It had nothing to do with that, with that Maren was upset at. It had to do with jealousy.

• 2:17:31Speaker 01

  I think though, it's another thing. I think some people have a very traumatic experience when they're younger. It could be high school. And you represent an avatar of that experience. So we just spent, I don't know, the first fucking third of this podcast was about fighting, working out and all that stuff. There's a physicality there. You, you are a physical guy. You're physically imposing, you, you know, you can choke somebody unconscious, punch them in the face, blah, blah, blah. That, that, that meathead persona, that kind of like forward tilt, that yang energy, that very hyper male energy.

• 2:18:10Speaker 01

  Some people have a very bad experience with that kind of energy when they're young. They might be-

• 2:18:14Joe Rogan?

  I understand, but you have to judge people-

• 2:18:15Speaker 01

  Of course you do.

• 2:18:16Joe Rogan?

  You can't straw man people and pretend that they're mean. He likes to pretend that I'm like a mean jock.

• 2:18:21Speaker 01

  But that's what I'm saying, is that you've gotta like, as an adult after a while, you have to come to terms with whatever emotional reaction you have to whatever this avatar is that you've put all this stuff on, which we all do. I think you've gotta take your tell- after a while, you gotta go, hey, hey, hey. This is where I gotta let go of all that stuff, and I gotta take the person at face value.

• 2:18:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but this is a- you're talking about introspection, and he doesn't have that. That's not him. He does when confronted, and he'll apologize. Like, that's his whole thing. Are we good? We good? And then you hug it out with people. He also lies. Like, one of the things he lied about, he did a podcast with, um, Howie Mandel, and Howie Mandel asked him if he had problems with comedians. Like, no. I don't have any problems with any comedians. I've never had any problems with comedians. Like, what are you talking about? He's got a problem with every single comedian that's more successful than him. Bill Burr, Louis C.K., Dave Chappelle, me, Tony Hinchcliffe. Everybody that passes him, all of a sudden, and he talks about them on stage. And the Theo thing really drove me nuts, because that sent Theo into a real spiral.

• 2:19:21Speaker 01

  Did it?

• 2:19:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, well, Theo went into a spiral, and that was a big part of him getting attacked, was Marin talking about him on his special, saying that he'd have Hitler on his podcast. Well, why is he saying that? Does he think that's true? Does he think it's- does he think that- Theo has anybody on his fucking show, including Bernie Sanders.

• 2:19:41Speaker 01

  He's learning. He wants to learn.

• 2:19:42Joe Rogan?

  He'll talk to people, and, you know, he will talk to anybody on his podcast. That's not what the thing is. The thing is that Marin's podcast, which was number one, isn't even in the top 100 anymore. I don't even think it's in the top 200. It went away. And it went away not because he did anything. He didn't get arrested, there was no scandal. People just stopped being interested in it, and I think that hurts the most.

• 2:20:09Speaker 01

  Why did they stop being interested in it?

• 2:20:11Joe Rogan?

  It's not good. It appears a part of it. Like, the conversations that he has are fine, but the beginning of the podcast is these like, self-indulgent rants about life and him doing things. And there's a thread dedicated on like Reddit, where people fast-forward to the time, like, they give you the timestamp of when he's done ranting, so you could just get to the interview. Because nobody wants to hear it. Like, it's like, it's an inside- You know, joke. But it just, that's, the reality is, it's like Theo passed him, like rocketed past him. And now he has like the number two or number three podcast in the world.

• 2:20:52Speaker 01

  Sometimes there's a, there's a thing that people do when you're older, where you say that person passed me. And then you criticize the culture that got them past you, right?

• 2:21:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, the thing is, the thing is that Marin never developed an audience for his comedy. And he always felt like he deserved it. And that's what drove him the most nuts. He always felt like he deserved it. But it's like, you deserve what you get. You know what he has a record for? Um, one of those ticket things, whether it's Ticketmaster, whatever one. Number one for selling single seats.

• 2:21:23Speaker 01

  That's interesting.

• 2:21:24Joe Rogan?

  It's not good.

• 2:21:25Speaker 01

  Oh, that's really interesting.

• 2:21:26Joe Rogan?

  People with no friends.

• 2:21:27Speaker 01

  That's interesting.

• 2:21:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:28Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:21:29Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:21:29Speaker 01

  Fuck, that's a wild.

• 2:21:30Joe Rogan?

  Sad people, sad people that identify with the way he behaves in, in their acts.

• 2:21:34Speaker 01

  I always look at it this way, like I, you know, somebody, we were doing this thing and Ryan Reynolds, people talking about how he gets hated or he gets criticized. And I was like, look, man, I don't know about that. I just know that I tried really, really hard to be Ryan Reynolds. I did, I tried my hardest. I was in acting class. I went on every fucking audition. I got, I did okay. I was on a couple of sitcoms and some movies and stuff. But for whatever reason, I didn't, I'm not Ryan Reynolds. You know why? I'm just, probably in some ways, hate to say it, I think I'm really good at comedy, but maybe I'm just not as good. Or maybe just for whatever reason, I didn't do it. And maybe he was smarter in this other area, but either way, he's there.

• 2:22:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, the reality is, man, there can only be like a couple of Ryan Reynolds.

• 2:22:14Speaker 01

  That's fine, but I'm not gonna hate on the guy because of it.

• 2:22:16Joe Rogan?

  Thousands and thousands and thousands of people that are trying to.

• 2:22:20Speaker 01

  I did, I tried hard, man.

• 2:22:22Joe Rogan?

  But see, that's the difference between that and comedy. See, comedy is much more of a meritocracy, much more of a meritocracy. If you're funny, you can get an audience. And there's, there's Jim Brewer's audience, and then there's Nate Bargatze's audience, and there's Kevin Hart's audience. And there, everyone, you can get an audience. Like, you just have to put your work out there and people resonate with your work. And you might not like these guys. You might say, this guy sucks, or that guy sucks, and I like this guy. No, no, no, it's fine. You're allowed to have personal taste, just like there's personal taste in music that I don't like. But the proof is, proof is in the pudding. Do people come to see you? Do you put asses in seats so they enjoy the time?

• 2:23:04Joe Rogan?

  Or is it an angry bomb where you're onstage ranting about other comedians?

• 2:23:09Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:23:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's Maron. And he does it all the time. Tim Dillon was just saying he was doing that in L.A. the other day. Just ranting about other comedians at the Riyadh Comedy Festival. Which is all, you know, like legitimate area of criticism, if you can make it funny. Like, you know, you're working for the Saudi government and they've definitely done some stuff that's fucking horrible. But the root of it all is not real. It's not that he cares so much that he wants everyone to do the right thing. That's not it. It's he's upset that all these people are getting attention. He's upset that all these, it's very childish. And but he'll make it look like, you know, he's the righteous side, the left, the progressives.

• 2:23:52Joe Rogan?

  He's the voice now and he's gonna fucking, you know, we got work to do, we gotta get these fascists out. No, it's, but it's about him getting more attention. That's what it ultimately is all about. And that's unfortunate. And I'm not mad at him. And if I saw him and I talked to him, we were cool, I'd give him a hug.

• 2:24:10Speaker 01

  You're just being honest, you're being just honest.

• 2:24:12Joe Rogan?

  Right, but he wants to pretend that everybody else is bad and mean. And this is, this is like the reason why they have, they're successful. Or that they're hacks.

• 2:24:21Speaker 01

  Or that the culture's corrupt.

• 2:24:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, he always says some dumb shit like, you know, you can stop making fun of trans people. They can't get healthcare. That's one of the things he said, like, what are you talking about? They can't get healthcare. Healthcare is care that makes you healthy. The law that got passed was stopping chemical castration drugs and surgery for underage children that are confused.

• 2:24:44Speaker 01

  And you know how many kids are, yeah, don't get me started on that.

• 2:24:46Joe Rogan?

  These things that they call like hormone blockers.

• 2:24:51Speaker 01

  Puberty blockers?

• 2:24:52Joe Rogan?

  But hold on, hormone blockers, that's not what they originally were used for. We know that like medicine can be used off-label, right? And the idea of that initially was there was only like, you know, a hundred different kinds of medicine. And you could figure out what would work and you could prescribe it for different things and off-label uses. The stuff that they're using, what they're calling puberty blockers, is the same drugs that they used to give to sex offenders for chemical castration. It's the same drugs.

• 2:25:22Speaker 01

  Fucking unbelievable.

• 2:25:23Joe Rogan?

  It's chemical castration drugs, and you're giving it to children.

• 2:25:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:25:26Joe Rogan?

  And then there's this narrative that it can be reversible. No, it's not.

• 2:25:30Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:25:30Joe Rogan?

  No, you go through, you're gonna have a micro penis for the rest of your life, you're gonna have fucked up vocal cords, you're, your, your whole body is going to be-

• 2:25:36Speaker 01

  Your bone density sucks.

• 2:25:37Joe Rogan?

  -strokes. There's a lot of like weird fucking horrific side effects.

• 2:25:42Speaker 01

  It's so fucking evil to me.

• 2:25:43Joe Rogan?

  Right, so his straw man is transgender people can't, you, you should stop talking about it, man. They can't get medical care, they can't get healthcare, you happy?

• 2:25:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:25:51Joe Rogan?

  That has never been the case.

• 2:25:53Speaker 01

  Well, he's saying that that's what you're saying, that the problem is just reducing-

• 2:25:56Joe Rogan?

  He's just trying to get you to limit the amount of things that you're talking about that people wanna hear.

• 2:26:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:26:00Joe Rogan?

  That's really what he's doing.

• 2:26:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:26:02Joe Rogan?

  It's like a really selfish, self-oriented fucking thing. It's not righteous, that's what's the crazy thing about it. And people are gonna find that out, man. They're gonna dig into you, they're gonna listen to the things you say and what, the way you behave and the things you've talked about. Saying, you know, like, that the whole reason why everybody voted for Trump is because they wanted to say the word retard. It has a straw man. Like, it was a really funny bit, I get it, okay, it's not that good a bit. But it's a straw man, that's not true. What everybody wanted was, they realized there was a crazy thing happening where the border was wide open.

• 2:26:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:26:35Joe Rogan?

  And 20 million people got in in four years that weren't supposed to be here.

• 2:26:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:26:40Joe Rogan?

  But does that mean that you support everything that they're doing now? Or are they kicking people out? No! No! This, this, this storming into the fucking Home Depot and arresting people? No, no, that's not cool either. The military in the street, I think, is a dangerous precedent. But also, why are you allowing people to just riot on the streets and burn down buildings?

• 2:27:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, why do you have to lock up toothpaste in Washington DC? Toothpaste, you gotta lock it up.

• 2:27:04Joe Rogan?

  San Francisco as well.

• 2:27:05Speaker 01

  Is that good?

• 2:27:05Joe Rogan?

  No, it's, look, there's, there's, there's a balance to be had here, and there's a conversation to be had, but it's not in straw man arguments, where you're saying that the only reason why people want, is because they wanted to say this, these comedians are just voting for fascism.

• 2:27:20Speaker 01

  No, I want, this is why, with my podcast, like, I was, I got to a point where I was having, I was interviewing people, right? It was, it was great. But the problem is, I, I don't, after a while for me, like, there are too many people like you who do it really well. I would love, and I don't know if I'll be, I think I talked to you about this, just to get people on two different sides to have a discussion. Just to find out, like, just to kind of get to a, so in other words, can we just try to approach this as solving a problem?

• 2:27:47Joe Rogan?

  But it has to be the right two people.

• 2:27:49Speaker 01

  It's hard to get them, though.

• 2:27:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, it is hard to get them, but it also has to be two people that are actually just trying to state their points. You know, there's a really good example that recently, Coleman Hughes.

• 2:27:59Speaker 01

  It was great.

• 2:28:00Joe Rogan?

  Had, he's great, had Dave Smith on his podcast.

• 2:28:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I saw it.

• 2:28:03Joe Rogan?

  Very good conversation, super balanced, intelligent, calm, level, especially from Coleman. Coleman's so good at that.

• 2:28:12Speaker 01

  He's a killer.

• 2:28:12Joe Rogan?

  He's so good. And it was, you know, one of the rare times where I think Dave was kind of stumped in certain situations.

• 2:28:18Speaker 01

  And that's okay.

• 2:28:19Joe Rogan?

  It's great.

• 2:28:20Speaker 01

  Oh, Dave probably learned a lot, you know, stayed open.

• 2:28:22Joe Rogan?

  It's great. I mean, a very interesting point about the Wesley Clark thing, do you see that?

• 2:28:26Speaker 01

  I did.

• 2:28:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but like, he never saw the memo, like, he was told what was in the memo. He's like, you understand that if you're writing a history book, that wouldn't even be, you couldn't even put that in the book. Which is, is accurate.

• 2:28:37Speaker 01

  It's absolutely accurate.

• 2:28:38Joe Rogan?

  It's accurate, it doesn't mean that they didn't actually do that, though, and it seems like that's, that is exactly what happened, which is like, kind of convenient.

• 2:28:45Speaker 01

  Well, he addressed that too, but I know what you're saying, it's like, again.

• 2:28:49Joe Rogan?

  But it's also, like, a brilliant debate.

• 2:28:51Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:28:52Joe Rogan?

  And never, never devolved.

• 2:28:54Speaker 01

  You learned things from that.

• 2:28:55Joe Rogan?

  You're not gonna see Marc Maron in one of those.

• 2:28:57Speaker 01

  And that's the bummer, it's like, if you, if you have these ideas you're standing on, and you're vocal with them, right? Then you should be willing to put them on the table and see how they war against another idea.

• 2:29:11Joe Rogan?

  And you also should entertain the other person's perspective. The problem is, like, Dave has been saying it one way for the longest time, and when Coleman said that, the, I think the correct response is, that is true.

• 2:29:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:29:23Joe Rogan?

  You got a really good point.

• 2:29:24Speaker 01

  You won, you're right.

• 2:29:25Joe Rogan?

  However, nah, you didn't really win, because they did do exactly what was in that memo. I mean, they did overthrow every single country except for Iran.

• 2:29:34Speaker 01

  No, no, because he said, in fact. We did it with a number of other regimes, but there were, I think, three or four countries in that memo that they, we haven't done that with.

• 2:29:41Joe Rogan?

  Right, but they've been going after those specifically, and those, a lot of them did get toppled.

• 2:29:47Speaker 01

  This was Rumsfeld.

• 2:29:48Joe Rogan?

  But it's also, yeah, and it is interesting that that is a strategy that the United States employs, and that we do topple regimes, and that we, you know, we do. We have in the past. We have been involved in that, and to deny that, I think, is kind of crazy.

• 2:30:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:30:01Joe Rogan?

  And we also really do a good job of taking advantage of opportunities, and when 9/11 happened, that's when they passed through the Patriot Act. Like, that's when they, they started taking it.

• 2:30:11Speaker 01

  It was the birth of the surveillance state, sir.

• 2:30:13Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:30:13Speaker 01

  They know, they know everything about you. I talk about this in specialists, like, they know a woman's pregnant based on her migratory shopping patterns, sir.

• 2:30:19Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 2:30:20Speaker 01

  Okay, so they can, based on your migratory shopping pattern, they can pick up that you're, that you are with child. And, and you don't, before she knows it, before she knows it.

• 2:30:31Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:30:31Speaker 01

  Okay, that's what's crazy. They have, they have cameras with full gate recognition, so the way you-

• 2:30:37Joe Rogan?

  Gate changes when you're pregnant?

• 2:30:39Speaker 01

  How you walk is in the cloud. There, that is a signature for you, okay? Forget your biometrics, cover your face all you want. They have cameras that can pick up how you walk, the mathematics of how you walk is just like your fingerprint. They also have a laser that can shoot into your heart, into your body, and pick up your heart signature, sir. So, good luck hiding from the state.

• 2:31:01Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts.

• 2:31:02Speaker 01

  It's here, and that's it. Your privacy and your-

• 2:31:05Joe Rogan?

  One of the things that they were saying, when it came to the abortion debate, that I thought was very interesting, that I hadn't considered, is that they were, they were talking about prosecuting women that left a state where abortion was illegal, and went to a state where it was legal, and then returned.

• 2:31:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:25Joe Rogan?

  And that they were gonna do this based on apps, so women have apps where they track their ovulation, and that they could get the data from these apps.

• 2:31:33Speaker 01

  I think it's outrageous.

• 2:31:34Joe Rogan?

  It's outrageous.

• 2:31:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:35Joe Rogan?

  And it's also, that's where it gets really creepy, because it's a lot of Christian fundamentalists.

• 2:31:42Speaker 01

  Well, it actually hinges on-

• 2:31:43Joe Rogan?

  It becomes a religion.

• 2:31:44Speaker 01

  It actually hinges on murder, right? So, so if you, if somebody came across state lines and murdered somebody, you could do that. That's, that's absolutely legitimate. When you define abortion as murder, okay? Then, then that is, there is a, there are strong legal grounds to establish that precedent.

• 2:32:01Joe Rogan?

  Sure, but you're also not supposed to be prosecuting, say if you're in Texas, you're not supposed to be prosecuting someone for the actions that they did in Oklahoma.

• 2:32:09Speaker 01

  Unless it's murder. That's a federal crime.

• 2:32:11Joe Rogan?

  Okay. You understand? So they, if they approach it that way.

• 2:32:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:32:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:14Speaker 01

  So you, you, you certainly were a republic, but, and, and so there are statutory laws, but they do not supersede, in many cases, federal law if it's something like murder. That's a capital crime.

• 2:32:25Joe Rogan?

  The problem is you're getting, giving men the ability to track women's behavior in a way that I think is-

• 2:32:30Speaker 01

  It's hugely problematic.

• 2:32:31Joe Rogan?

  Very fucking creepy. Also, when there's a significant portion of this country that believes women should have access to abortions, and for you to say no, and it's their body, that, that gets slippery.

• 2:32:42Speaker 01

  This is where, this is where we get into-

• 2:32:44Joe Rogan?

  It gets real slippery, and that gets into more of a libertarian area, you know, where I think that's probably where I land a lot of the time.

• 2:32:53Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. Now you're sounding like a leftist slash libertarian. It's so weird, right?

• 2:32:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm very left when it comes to live and let live and accepting people for whatever it is, whether they're gay, or whether they're from another country. Like, I'm open to everybody. I want you to just be cool. Be nice and be cool and try to do a good thing with your life and enjoy yourself and not harm others.

• 2:33:15Speaker 01

  When you're running, when you're, when you're, so when you have policy, the problem is, we get into the weeds. Technology creates problems that are major because typically, I think with Roe v. Wade, the abortion was legal until the fetus was viable on its own. Okay, so you, once the fetus was, if, if it could be, the cutoff thing was, without the mother, if it needs the mother, then it's still, um, then you can still-

• 2:33:40Joe Rogan?

  Right, a part of the mother.

• 2:33:41Speaker 01

  Now, if the baby's eight months, no. But when, what happens when technology can keep a six-week fetus alive and bring it to term?

• 2:33:53Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:33:54Speaker 01

  Now, you're dealing with, now you can't make the argument.

• 2:33:57Joe Rogan?

  That's not the case right now.

• 2:33:58Speaker 01

  But it will be.

• 2:33:59Joe Rogan?

  It could be.

• 2:33:59Speaker 01

  Technology is good, so now, now the problem becomes, now, what are you doing? Now we have to redefine, so the, the people who believe in abortion, or a woman's right to choose, have to redefine what it is. And the only way to get around that is to say that, that a woman can make that choice until the baby's born. And that's where you get politicians say, you believe that babies should be killed up until they're about, up until the woman's crowning. And then we get into this whole thing and then, you know.

• 2:34:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And. Well, it also is a uniquely human issue in that it does get blurry. Like, as much as I say I'm 100%, I think a woman, it's her choice, especially at early stages. You know, if someone is pregnant for four weeks, that's your choice. I don't, I don't think anybody should be stepping in. However, everybody with any kind of a heart, or a, everybody loves babies. When you get to like eight months, or seven months, you're like, whoa, that is a full-on baby inside of you, which is cra- and then when you see what they do, when they do have late-term abortions, you could see the body parts, like, I don't know if you've ever seen it, unfortunately I have.

• 2:35:08Speaker 01

  I can't watch that shit.

• 2:35:09Joe Rogan?

  I, I've watched some of those videos, and, and then you've also seen people who were working for Planned Parenthood, who are callously talking about sorting through these parts.

• 2:35:21Speaker 01

  I guess you have to be that way, don't you?

• 2:35:23Joe Rogan?

  I guess.

• 2:35:24Speaker 01

  I mean, there's no other way to do it.

• 2:35:25Joe Rogan?

  I guess, but there's some of those Project Veritas-type videos where, you know, people are behind the scenes.

• 2:35:30Speaker 01

  Darkness, man.

• 2:35:31Joe Rogan?

  It's so dark. But they don't think there's anything wrong, because they think that abortion should be legal, and abortion is a leftist position, and a woman should have a right to choose. So, in their mind, this is what's happening, and like, here's a leg, and here's a heart, and here's a head.

• 2:35:46Speaker 01

  This is where ideology, you have to be super inflexible, right? You gotta be like, well, this is what I believe, no matter what.

• 2:35:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:53Speaker 01

  And I can't live that way, man. Fuck that.

• 2:35:55Joe Rogan?

  You can't be, if you're not grossed out by a little baby hand that just got sucked out of a woman's vagina with a vacuum cleaner, that's kind of crazy.

• 2:36:02Speaker 01

  Bob Geldof said something that was so interesting, you know, remember Bob Geldof?

• 2:36:06Joe Rogan?

  Sure. We are the world.

• 2:36:07Speaker 01

  And he was talking about Gaza. Right, and you can get into a really, you can get into a debate about Gaza. I don't, I leave that shit alone, because I'm not gonna get into that, because you, you can talk about Israel turned it into the surface of the moon, there's, there's plenty of criticism in that direction, you can talk about what they did on October 7th and all that stuff, but he said something wild, he said, "Look, there are a lot of kids who are starving, or at least malnourished or really hungry, whatever it might be." And he said something, he asked a question I thought was great. Get into the debate, he said, "But hey, who are we as human beings, as people, who are we? Like, there's gotta be something we can do, there's gotta be something we can do, whether it's Israel, whether it's Palestinians, whatever, to, to

• 2:36:49Speaker 01

  at least get that kid fed, at least to stop that kinda stuff." And that's it, that, I think sometimes there's a question to ask, you gotta throw all your ideology out the window, you gotta throw all your politics out the window and go, "Hold on, this is called the 'stop everything' button, I'm gonna push it right now, I'm just gonna stop everything, and we gotta stop and make sure those kids are fed, fuck off."

• 2:37:08Joe Rogan?

  Unless your ideology has gotten so dark that you think of those kids as an other. You don't think of those kids as kids, those kids are orcs.

• 2:37:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what the Vedanta always says, that the, the seeing nothing, no other is, is the way, ultimately realizing that you and that person, back to what you said, you'd be that person too, under those circumstances.

• 2:37:30Joe Rogan?

  Then there's the cold, hard reality of environment and culture, right? If, if you grow up in this radical jihadist culture-

• 2:37:38Speaker 01

  There are good ideas and bad ideas, let's not get it twisted. It doesn't mean you're an intellectual and say everything is everything, okay? We're not being relativist here.

• 2:37:45Joe Rogan?

  What I'm saying is if you live in a part of the world that's fucked, you're gonna be fucked.

• 2:37:48Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 2:37:49Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna be fucked.

• 2:37:50Speaker 01

  Which is then we have to go, "Hold on, there is, there is a better way, and there is a ba- there's a worse way." When you lose that side of that, like, there's, there is a better way, there's good, there's evil, there's better, there's worse, and that takes some time to understand the meaningful difference.

• 2:38:07Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever talked to Evan Hayfer about his time in Afghanistan?

• 2:38:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:38:10Joe Rogan?

  Some of the things that he told me, the things that he saw and the things that he like personally witnessed.

• 2:38:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:38:16Joe Rogan?

  He's like, you really get this feeling like you just, you just can't.

• 2:38:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, man.

• 2:38:20Joe Rogan?

  You can't deal with this, like, and this is my thought on that. It's like, I wonder if that's what life was like all over the world thousands and thousands of years ago. I wonder if like, kind, nice people were like an aberration. And if most of the war, like what we're seeing in places like Afghanistan, these warlord driven mountain communities of people that are like, I wonder if that's like how most of human history was.

• 2:38:47Speaker 01

  I believe it was.

• 2:38:48Joe Rogan?

  I believe it was.

• 2:38:48Speaker 01

  There was, you had, you had, that, Daryl Cooper said the greatest thing about the Middle East conflict. He said, it's a part of the world where people have to give up who they could be for who they have to be. And that's a beautiful way to put it because, because that is, that is, that is what, we are so, man, as Americans, especially a certain kind of American. We're so lucky because I get to be who, I get to try to be who I wanna be. I don't have to settle for who I have to be. I don't have to watch my kids go hungry and, and do some bad shit because if my kids couldn't get water, I'm gonna be slitting some throats. But I never had to face that stuff. I never had to embrace the angels of my darker nature just to survive.

• 2:39:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:28Speaker 01

  And it's a luxury, man.

• 2:39:29Joe Rogan?

  And you also never had to, like, those people never get to stray from that path because they're, they're in that path from the time they're a child. And if they make it to be thirty and they're living like that, it's a miracle.

• 2:39:39Speaker 01

  If you lose an election in a lot of countries, you die.

• 2:39:41Joe Rogan?

  Hey, you die.

• 2:39:42Speaker 01

  You don't live to another, see another day.

• 2:39:44Joe Rogan?

  How about Mexico? We were talking about the amount of assassinations in Mexico. I had Ed Calderon on and he explained it. He was like, they're all working for the cartel. That's what it is. It's cartel on cartel violence.

• 2:39:55Speaker 01

  That is so crazy, man.

• 2:39:56Joe Rogan?

  And it's like, why is that? Because drugs are illegal and so only the outlaws sell the drugs and we are the ones who buy it. And so we prop up this fucking illegal market that's right next door.

• 2:40:06Speaker 01

  We're the biggest market in the world for that stuff.

• 2:40:08Joe Rogan?

  I know. And it's just, it's, that's another human problem. Like, so what do you do? Do you make everything legal?

• 2:40:14Speaker 01

  You can do two things.

• 2:40:15Joe Rogan?

  Then you're gonna have drug addiction and you're gonna have all sorts of problems and people are gonna overdose that probably wouldn't, but is that better? than like allowing people to overdose accidentally on fentanyl because they just wanted a bump of coke.

• 2:40:26Speaker 01

  You can stack bodies. That's one way to do it. You can actually, like he was saying, treat it like an insurgency and stack bodies like we did with ISIS. We solved that ISIS problem. Nobody ever talks about that. We solved that ISIS problem in about six fucking months.

• 2:40:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:39Speaker 01

  Well, that we, Trump said, I'll tell you what, you guys, uh, let's take the gloves off and just go to work and we stacked bodies and that kind of went away in six months. It is, if you want to get really ugly, there, there's one aspect of it. You can do that. And I believe that's possible. And the reason I believe it's possible for some countries like the United States is because we've done it. And that'd be pretty ugly. Or the other thing is to maybe look into legalizing or taking the profit out of that kind of behavior. That's the second thing. The third thing you could do, you could do, is you could actually go to the cartels, which is controversial, but I know it was on the table, and cut a deal.

• 2:41:21Speaker 01

  Which is, tell you what, guys, tell us where all the fentanyl is, all the fentanyl factories in this country and in Mexico. No fentanyl, no human trafficking, but you can sell, let's say marijuana and cocaine. How's that sound?

• 2:41:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'd heard about that too.

• 2:41:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:41:34Joe Rogan?

  Now, I'd heard that involved like a financial exchange.

• 2:41:37Speaker 01

  Sure. And, and, and yes, that's right. And also pay us some reparations. So here's, here's, I don't know, five billion dollars today. We'll give you five billion dollars in about five years.

• 2:41:45Joe Rogan?

  Which is crazy.

• 2:41:46Speaker 01

  Listen, listen, it's a deal, right?

• 2:41:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:41:49Speaker 01

  These are business people.

• 2:41:50Joe Rogan?

  But do you really think that they would honor that deal? But that then essentially you're opening up the door to, well, they're just a pharmacy now. We're a pharmacy for illegal drugs that we can't stop from coming in. So at one point in time, should we just accept the fact that people want to buy drugs and sell drugs? Because look, if cocaine was pure, how many people would be just doing a bump every now and then on a Saturday night?

• 2:42:12Speaker 01

  You can't sustain it. If you want to do blow, nobody did a bunch of blow. Nobody had a lot of problems. Did a bunch of blow and it got better the next day.

• 2:42:18Joe Rogan?

  Problem, that's a bunch of blow. Some people don't do a bunch of blow, but they'll occasionally do blow.

• 2:42:24Speaker 01

  Bro, a little.

• 2:42:25Joe Rogan?

  But no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. I mean, some people can just party on the weekend.

• 2:42:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:42:29Joe Rogan?

  Right? We don't think that's the case because we think everyone's a crackhead.

• 2:42:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:42:32Joe Rogan?

  Everyone just loses their whole life. Like, we don't even know because it's illegal.

• 2:42:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:42:37Joe Rogan?

  Right? We don't know how, like this Dr. Carl Hart's position. You know, Dr. Carl.

• 2:42:41Speaker 01

  In other words, people can actually use drugs recreationally and be fine.

• 2:42:45Joe Rogan?

  That's him.

• 2:42:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42:46Joe Rogan?

  And he's called professor.

• 2:42:47Speaker 01

  Individual responsibility, they're adults who can do it.

• 2:42:48Joe Rogan?

  Columbia, yeah, and he's like, the problem is this propaganda about what drugs are.

• 2:42:53Speaker 01

  He's the heroin guy?

• 2:42:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he tries heroin. Don't do it that way.

• 2:42:56Speaker 01

  Sorry, oh, sorry, dude, I'm not cool.

• 2:42:58Joe Rogan?

  He can't say he's the heroin guy.

• 2:43:00Speaker 01

  He's the heroin guy.

• 2:43:00Joe Rogan?

  Hey! But he's brilliant, and he's a very interesting guy. When he talks about it, you're like, you're getting the perspective of a very educated person who was a, uh, complete, clean, sober person until he became a clinical researcher. And then, as he's researching these drugs and doing, like, actual scholarly work, he realizes, like, oh, they don't, this is not real at all. All this propaganda is nonsense. Like, the heroin addiction thing, he's like, it's like the flu. It's like, you just, you feel like shit for a couple of days, then you get over it and you're fine. It's like, it's not.

• 2:43:37Speaker 01

  Well, he's, I mean, you're right, that most, most people use drugs recreationally, and it doesn't ruin their life. So, again, I, I, I subscribe to that idea. Like, let, let people do, they're gonna do it anyway, by the way. They're gonna smoke weed, they're gonna do blow, they're gonna do that shit.

• 2:43:54Joe Rogan?

  But it was, would it, this is my position. I think, yes, but if they did make it legal, where you can go to CVS and buy heroin, or go to CVS and buy cocaine, you're gonna get a lot more people that buy it and try it, because it's now legal. You know, so you're gonna get a lot more drug use initially.

• 2:44:10Speaker 01

  Maybe in the short term.

• 2:44:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because our culture is fucked up. Our culture is, like, designed to accept legal things that are very detrimental, like alcohol, which is hugely detrimental, one of the worst ones for you.

• 2:44:21Speaker 01

  We're bigger than cocaine.

• 2:44:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, that's all, that's one of the things that Hunter Biden said. You ever hear Hunter Biden talk about crack?

• 2:44:27Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:44:27Joe Rogan?

  Makes you wanna try crack. It's amazing. He did this interview with, what is that guy's name?

• 2:44:33Joe Rogan?

  Andrew Callahan and um he did this whole thing where he described how amazing crack is. I swear to God, it makes you want to try crack.

• 2:44:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:44:41Joe Rogan?

  But you know, he asked him, you think crack is safer than alcohol? He's like, yeah, probably. Yeah, it's probably safer. And it probably is.

• 2:44:47Speaker 01

  Well, first of all, crack is devastating quickly. Like you'll wake up in three years and have no house and be on the street. Alcohol, you can be an alcoholic for forty years before you realize, holy fuck, I got nothing going on.

• 2:44:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 2:44:57Speaker 01

  Right, so so I I again, I mean, I I think that the the idea is you can legalize it. Uh, there's a lot of money enforcement and uh, you know, or you can stock bodies.

• 2:45:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, in the back of the day, people used to snark cocaine and if you took to freebasing, you had a real problem. Like that was Richard Pryor. Richard Pryor was fine until he started freebasing.

• 2:45:18Speaker 01

  But most of us are gonna go.

• 2:45:19Joe Rogan?

  But that's crack.

• 2:45:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:45:21Joe Rogan?

  Freebasing is crack.

• 2:45:21Speaker 01

  But most of us would like, most of us are busy, right? Like you're gonna have people that are gonna fuck their lives up, just like they do with alcohol and everything else and cocaine and crack. But most of us, even if it's exactly, but if it's around, we'll navigate it. Exactly how we're gonna navigate social media.

• 2:45:37Joe Rogan?

  Exactly how we navigate alcohol.

• 2:45:39Speaker 01

  Right, at these, you're start, you're gonna start to see, people are gonna start to realize they're being gamed by bots. By the most extreme examples, your algorithm is lying to you. So pretty soon what happens, you say things like, I'm not gonna fucking, I'm not, I'm gonna get off social media.

• 2:45:54Joe Rogan?

  I think it takes like ten years before they figure that out.

• 2:45:56Speaker 01

  Right, okay, but it takes a while and then we'll have another problem. But I I just think every time you try to uh, fucking.

• 2:46:04Joe Rogan?

  Nanny state.

• 2:46:05Speaker 01

  Or just make the world, yeah, make the world, fix the world with with force.

• 2:46:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:46:10Speaker 01

  You're better, it's kind of like squeezing a balloon. The gas is, the the air is just gonna go on another part of the balloon. As I get older, I'm like, I don't know, man, there might be a much easier way to do this shit.

• 2:46:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, personal responsibility is huge, but also counseling. Like if you're gonna allow drugs, you do it have to be a whole support system set up to help people with addiction. But then also they should bring in ibogaine. I mean, what they're doing with ibogaine in Texas with veterans and with people that are drug addicts, they've had tremendous results. It stops your addiction dead in its tracks.

• 2:46:40Speaker 01

  Crazy, right?

• 2:46:41Joe Rogan?

  With one session, eighty percent of the people never, never return. And with two sessions, ninety plus percent of the people never return.

• 2:46:48Speaker 01

  To alcohol.

• 2:46:49Joe Rogan?

  To anything, to heroin, alcohol, cigarettes, gambling, whatever it is.

• 2:46:54Speaker 01

  Holy shit.

• 2:46:54Joe Rogan?

  Whatever you're hooked on.

• 2:46:55Speaker 01

  Doesn't Ozempic work for that shit too?

• 2:46:57Joe Rogan?

  Ozempic seems to have some sort of an effect on that as well.

• 2:47:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, has some sort of effect on.

• 2:47:01Speaker 01

  And the craving part of your brain?

• 2:47:02Joe Rogan?

  And addictions, yeah, because it's like it stops appetite, so I wonder if it stops like an appetite for like wild shit too, like.

• 2:47:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47:10Joe Rogan?

  Come on, Seven.

• 2:47:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47:11Joe Rogan?

  People that are gambling addicts.

• 2:47:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, apparently it it helps. I think that the peptides and all that shit, technology is gonna make it so that we can figure out a way to control a lot of that shit.

• 2:47:21Joe Rogan?

  I think so too, yeah, I think they'll.

• 2:47:22Speaker 01

  They have very good drugs for alcohol.

• 2:47:24Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:47:24Speaker 01

  Very good drugs. You can take a drug for alcohol. The problem is, it's not the alcohol. The problem is when you take away somebody's addiction, like alcohol.

• 2:47:32Joe Rogan?

  Then they still have an edge for something.

• 2:47:33Speaker 01

  But no, but it's also like your whole, all the fun of your life. Do you know that when you get a, when people get gastric bypass? Um, and and they they stop eating, uh, suicides go up for them? Because eating was how they fucking dealt with all their problems. Like, so you're taking, you know, you.

• 2:47:49Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 2:47:50Speaker 01

  Again, now, you're you're you're taking away the addiction, but you you're not getting to the source. Cause you gotta be able to replace that shit.

• 2:47:57Joe Rogan?

  You gotta turn into a triathlete, like that old lady.

• 2:47:59Speaker 01

  Which is why you gotta go to church.

• 2:48:02Speaker 01

  I'm a man of God.

• 2:48:04Joe Rogan?

  You gotta do something.

• 2:48:04Speaker 01

  I go to church now. Do you?

• 2:48:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I've come to church many times.

• 2:48:07Speaker 01

  I like it. I go to, I go to Red Rocks.

• 2:48:09Joe Rogan?

  Don't tell people where you go.

• 2:48:10Speaker 01

  Oh, sorry.

• 2:48:11Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna come see you.

• 2:48:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:12Joe Rogan?

  Hang out with you.

• 2:48:13Speaker 01

  I'm not that famous.

• 2:48:13Joe Rogan?

  Sit right behind you.

• 2:48:14Speaker 01

  Maybe you, I'm not that famous.

• 2:48:15Joe Rogan?

  See if you're on the right page.

• 2:48:16Speaker 01

  This is, this is my fame. People go, you know Joe Rogan?

• 2:48:19Joe Rogan?

  That.

• 2:48:19Speaker 01

  Can you get this thing to him? I got a deal.

• 2:48:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I wanna sell shoelaces.

• 2:48:25Speaker 01

  I don't even do, I don't, I love that. I'll, I'll, sometimes people will just come up with like, today, great idea. Like, you know, it's a good thing, and you were like, I'm just not interested.

• 2:48:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:35Joe Rogan?

  I don't wanna be in business with anybody.

• 2:48:36Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:48:37Joe Rogan?

  It's not fun.

• 2:48:38Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:48:38Joe Rogan?

  I've tried it.

• 2:48:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:39Joe Rogan?

  It's not a good time.

• 2:48:40Speaker 01

  I do have, I do have a business proposal.

• 2:48:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:42Speaker 01

  I'll hit it with you. I have an idea.

• 2:48:45Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure you do.

• 2:48:46Speaker 01

  I have one idea.

• 2:48:47Joe Rogan?

  I'm busy.

• 2:48:47Speaker 01

  I've brought you, I've brought, I've brought two ideas to you.

• 2:48:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they all suck.

• 2:48:50Speaker 01

  Well, they didn't, they were.

• 2:48:53Joe Rogan?

  Ah, it's everybody's special. Brian Callens out now.

• 2:48:56Speaker 01

  Oh, my special.

• 2:48:57Joe Rogan?

  There it is.

• 2:48:58Speaker 01

  My special is.

• 2:48:58Joe Rogan?

  False Gods.

• 2:48:59Speaker 01

  False Gods.

• 2:49:00Joe Rogan?

  At the mothership.

• 2:49:01Speaker 01

  I shot it at the mothership. I'm very proud of it. I think it's gonna be great.

• 2:49:04Joe Rogan?

  Who shot it for you?

• 2:49:05Speaker 01

  Um, Dana, who's Sam Tripoli's lady.

• 2:49:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice, nice.

• 2:49:09Speaker 01

  I love Dana so much and she's, that's the second thing she did. She did Man Tears and this is, I'm dropping this tomorrow.

• 2:49:15Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful.

• 2:49:16Speaker 01

  And this will air tomorrow?

• 2:49:17Joe Rogan?

  It'll air, well, it's today, so.

• 2:49:19Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 2:49:19Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's listening.

• 2:49:20Speaker 01

  Oh, shit.

• 2:49:20Joe Rogan?

  It's today.

• 2:49:21Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 2:49:22Joe Rogan?

  If you're listening.

• 2:49:22Speaker 01

  There we are.

• 2:49:23Joe Rogan?

  It'll be tomorrow, but it'll.

• 2:49:23Speaker 01

  Oh, shit.

• 2:49:24Joe Rogan?

  October 15th.

• 2:49:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:25Joe Rogan?

  Exclusively on YouTube.

• 2:49:26Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 2:49:27Joe Rogan?

  Ye fucking ha, brother.

• 2:49:28Speaker 01

  And now I'm back to square one. I'm gonna shoot my next one at the mothership. I'll see you tonight, but are you gonna be, uh?

• 2:49:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'll be there tonight.

• 2:49:33Speaker 01

  I'll be there too, buddy.

• 2:49:34Joe Rogan?

  Let's go.

• 2:49:35Speaker 01

  Thank you for the time.

• 2:49:35Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure, my brother. Always good to hang out.

• 2:49:37Speaker 01

  Oh, hey, and come see every Wednesday, every other Wednesday at Brian Redman's Club, uh, Sunset Strip. We do Acting Off. Do you know about my show?

• 2:49:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, what's that?

• 2:49:46Speaker 01

  Oh, dude, I take, I take all the, all the comics in Austin and we see who the best actor is. So you've gotta like do things like die in slow motion, who does that the best? Or do, redo the scene from The Notebook as Miss Piggy and Donald Trump is fucking hilarious. Peyton Ruddy is a fucking killer in it.

• 2:50:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's a great idea.

• 2:50:03Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 2:50:03Joe Rogan?

  That's a great idea.

• 2:50:04Speaker 01

  It's been so amazing and we haven't promoted it, but I'm starting to promote it now because we're gamifying it. We have teams.

• 2:50:09Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:50:09Speaker 01

  And see who can do the best, like, you know, interpretation. We have, we have up close acting, so we have a camera on your face.

• 2:50:14Joe Rogan?

  This is another thing that pisses me off about all these comics talking shit about the Austin scene. There's so many things going on here. This idea.

• 2:50:20Speaker 01

  So many clubs.

• 2:50:21Joe Rogan?

  People have like made this, again, this straw man, like you have to have an N-word joke and you have to have a trans joke, like fuck. That fucking club is so diverse.

• 2:50:32Speaker 01

  Incredibly diverse.

• 2:50:33Joe Rogan?

  But naturally.

• 2:50:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:50:35Joe Rogan?

  With no effort. It's all just funny people.

• 2:50:37Speaker 01

  Who's the funniest?

• 2:50:38Joe Rogan?

  People are funny in all shapes and sizes, from all walks of life, whatever struggle you've had that manifests itself in humor.

• 2:50:46Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 2:50:47Joe Rogan?

  Exists. There's tons of people in that club that are gay. Most of the comedians.

• 2:50:51Speaker 01

  Handicapped.

• 2:50:52Joe Rogan?

  Most of the comedians, by the way, are liberal.

• 2:50:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:50:55Joe Rogan?

  So that throws that out the window.

• 2:50:56Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 2:50:57Joe Rogan?

  This whole idea that it's some fucking right wing. Comedy club, like, stop it. Most of the people there are liberal.

• 2:51:03Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 2:51:04Joe Rogan?

  Most of them.

• 2:51:05Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 2:51:05Joe Rogan?

  But it's just this walled garden thing. When people are on the outside, like, there wasn't, there hasn't been a scene here before.

• 2:51:11Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:51:11Joe Rogan?

  And then you have the scrubs that were here, like, they ruined the comedy scene. Like, you guys had nothing.

• 2:51:16Speaker 01

  Shut up.

• 2:51:17Joe Rogan?

  You shut your stupid lazy hole. You had nothing. There was, you didn't even have a comedy club. When I moved here, Cap City was closed. You know how I know? Because I was gonna buy it.

• 2:51:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:51:29Joe Rogan?

  I was looking, I went to look at the fucking place where Cap City used to be, and I was gonna purchase it.

• 2:51:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:51:35Joe Rogan?

  That's how I know it was under.

• 2:51:36Speaker 01

  It's a good club now.

• 2:51:37Joe Rogan?

  It's the new one. That's a different one.

• 2:51:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:51:39Joe Rogan?

  The old one was great, too, though, which is like an event center now. Um, but yeah, the new one is great.

• 2:51:43Speaker 01

  No, but, but, but the mothership brought a bunch of comedy here, so there are a lot of other clubs that are going, that are really fun. The Creek and the Cave.

• 2:51:50Joe Rogan?

  Because we made it so that, first of all, you've got a club that has two days of open mic nights, and you've got a real guy in Adam Egan, who's a real talent coordinator. That really helps the development of comedians. And he does it really, like, consciously.

• 2:52:03Speaker 01

  Takes it very seriously.

• 2:52:04Joe Rogan?

  Takes it very seriously, and he's like, he really loves comedy, and he really wants to help people, and he gives great advice, and he gives people spots.

• 2:52:11Speaker 01

  Adam actually watches sets. Like, he sits in the audience and watches that shit.

• 2:52:15Joe Rogan?

  Takes his job very seriously. Yeah. I mean, that's why I brought him in. I mean, he and I were the founders of the mothership. I mean, it was like, we did it together. I wouldn't have done it without him.

• 2:52:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:52:24Joe Rogan?

  I wouldn't have done it without him and without Kerry and a lot of the people that came from, from the, the, the store.

• 2:52:30Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:52:31Joe Rogan?

  And this is a place that we're, it's new. And so if you're on the outside and you're not in, you try to find some criticism. That, that's, like, criticism is fine if you're telling the truth. But there's a bunch of people that are making things up because they're trying to attack something that they can't be a part of.

• 2:52:46Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 2:52:47Joe Rogan?

  And most of the reason you can't be a part of is because you're You're a cunt, you're a cunty person.

• 2:52:52Speaker 01

  You're a cunt. We have no cunts allowed.

• 2:52:54Joe Rogan?

  No, try to eliminate, and we have, you know, we've, we've actually banned some cunts. You know, because people were shitty people. And like, we're trying to have a real positive place where you just get better at this art form. It's a love fest. Every time we go there, everybody's having a good time.

• 2:53:10Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 2:53:10Joe Rogan?

  And you're gonna have people that have better experiences there and worse experiences there. One of the things, like, someone was saying that she went to a comedy show and Justin Martindale went on, and then the next guy who came on started saying all these slurs about him. Yeah, you know who the next guy was?

• 2:53:25Speaker 01

  Who?

• 2:53:25Joe Rogan?

  Brian Holtzman. Okay, so if you know Brian Holtzman's act, it's a character he plays that's a complete maniac. And everyone he goes on, he went after Kim Kongden the other night.

• 2:53:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:53:38Joe Rogan?

  Kim Kongden has this great set. She's in The Little Boys, great set, very funny. He goes on, he goes, "Isn't it amazing watching women try to do things men do? What are you doing? Get in the kitchen! Get in the kitchen!" It's a character he plays.

• 2:53:52Speaker 01

  He's the sweetest.

• 2:53:53Joe Rogan?

  Make me a sandwich!

• 2:53:53Speaker 01

  He's the sweetest human being on the planet.

• 2:53:55Joe Rogan?

  So he did this with Justin Martindale.

• 2:53:57Speaker 01

  And Justin Martindale doesn't care. Justin Martindale, he'll give as good as he.

• 2:53:59Joe Rogan?

  Fucking said, he like, commented on it when this girl was talking shit about it. Like, "Yeah, that happened." Like, "Yeah, that happened with Brian Holtzman, you fucking asshole. You know what he's doing." He does that with me. He does that with everybody.

• 2:54:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:12Joe Rogan?

  Every single person he goes on after, he shits on them to set the tone, and then he shits on everything. He shits on the tech guys walking around with their, their, South by Southwest. He goes crazy.

• 2:54:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:23Joe Rogan?

  He's funny as shit, too. He's a legend. Like, you know what he's doing. This, so that maybe this one comic didn't know. Maybe no one told her, but she's like, spreading all this shit that it's like this hateful environment, like, it's not true. I know you wish it was, because then it could suck and you're not a part of it, but...

• 2:54:42Speaker 01

  Come see how many, come see how diverse the faces are in the fucking mothership. It's the United Nations, dude.

• 2:54:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it really is.

• 2:54:48Speaker 01

  It really is. And, and including, because of Tony, there are a lot of people who are, who are, uh, disabled, who would never have a fucking stage. But because they did some shit on Kill Tony... Tony, like, you know, facilitated the fact that they have a place to perform every single fucking night and a community. And, by the way, they've earned it, I'm not saying they haven't.

• 2:55:09Joe Rogan?

  Yes, and with Kill Tony, they have a very unique pathway, where if they can really bang out a solid minute and kill, they can have a career. You can have a career. And then...

• 2:55:20Speaker 01

  Timmy, no breaks. He does acting off, by the way.

• 2:55:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I'm sure he's hilarious.

• 2:55:24Speaker 01

  Dude, that dude is, he'll just come up with shit out of, him and Peyton Runnet will fucking, and Danny Martinelli, they'll hit you with shit and we're just like, holy fuck.

• 2:55:33Joe Rogan?

  And that's Wednesday night at what time?

• 2:55:34Speaker 01

  Wednesday night, we do it at 7:00, we're doing it on October 22nd. Come see what we do, it's gamified, it's fucking...

• 2:55:41Joe Rogan?

  Where is the best place to find out when you guys are gonna be there? Is it the website?

• 2:55:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, my, well, you can go, yeah, we, we, on Sunset Strip's website, and, and my website, but also my, my Instagram stuff, I post about it. And Nick Collis and my buddy Nick Simmons, who are my openers, you know Nick Simmons?

• 2:55:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's great.

• 2:55:58Speaker 01

  Funny as shit.

• 2:55:59Joe Rogan?

  He's funny, very funny.

• 2:56:00Speaker 01

  He's fucking great, we gotta get him in, we gotta get those, those guys are all auditioning too, they're, they're going through the whole process, so it's great, awesome, great guys.

• 2:56:04Joe Rogan?

  Alright, you're at, uh, False Gods, available now on YouTube.

• 2:56:07Speaker 01

  Come see me.

• 2:56:08Joe Rogan?

  Alright, love you, brother.

• 2:56:09Speaker 01

  Peace.

• 2:56:10Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody.

• 2:56:25Joe Rogan?

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