‘Species’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan are just a couple of empaths looking for a killer alien seductress in Los Angeles as they revisit the 1995 science fiction horror film ‘Species,’ starring Natasha Henstridge, Michael Madsen, Ben Kingsley, and Forest Whitaker. Book your next business trip at holidayinn.com Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Ronak Nair, and Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:00Bill Simmons?

  The Rewatchables is brought to you by The Ringer, the podcast network where you can find The Watch with CR. Is this your Madsen imitation? Some Big Pig 2. I'm doing a Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt, F1. F1. Just talking like that. Yeah, I am on The Watch on the big picture. Ben Lathan, Higher Learning. Yeah. Right now, Bush. Dubu. We're gonna do an incredible movie that came out 30 years ago that I saw in the theater. Yeah. And I don't know why it wasn't a bigger thing. Maybe it is. Maybe it is a thing. We're gonna find out. Species is next.

• 1:32Speaker 02

  We now have a new sequence of DNA with instructions on how to combine it with ours.

• 1:38Speaker 03

  They don't know how to find her. You created a monster. Now you want us to hunt it down and kill it. They don't know how to kill her.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  We decided to make it female so that it would be more controllable.

• 1:49Speaker 03

  More controllable.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  I guess you guys don't get out much.

• 1:54Speaker 04

  We gotta get to him before she gives birth.

• 2:02Bill Simmons?

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• 2:11Speaker 02

  Sure, sometimes.

• 2:12Bill Simmons?

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  I do. I had an apple and a breakfast bar this morning.

• 2:20Bill Simmons?

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• 2:50Bill Simmons?

  All right, so Michael Mattson died. Now you're doing Javier Bardem from F1. Okay.

• 3:00Bill Simmons?

  What are we doing, Sonny? Michael Mattson passed away and we had to do a Michael Mattson movie. And you thought it was gonna be Donnie Brasco. I asked, yes. And I was like, no. Yep. It's gonna be Species, because he's fucking awesome in Species. Listeners know that's how things work. And you were excited. Yeah. I was excited, yeah. No. Well, Species was weirdly on the summer list anyway, because I just bought it on 4K Blu-ray. Spectacular. Where's the collection at now? That's how the show works. Well, Amazon just had this great deal. Tell me about it. Sam Presting, just second round picks off Amazon.

• 3:36Bill Simmons?

  This is my favorite Mattson performance, other than True Romance. I have it number two. I just love that. Really? Over Reservoir? There's, he has no part in this movie. It's like, ah, he's a hired government, but he's just all charisma and cool. And it's like, yeah, of course he's gonna fuck Mark Helgenberger. It's gonna happen.

• 3:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, of course. He never, I can't remember him ever trying this again. Trying to be the smooth, centerly guy. He's one of those guys that comes in and just injects cool into a movie. But he's always so, but in this one, he's gotta do his thing a little bit. And he's almost playing a straight man, which he didn't really do as much.

• 4:16Bill Simmons?

  It's like a Alec Baldwin part.

• 4:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, he said that of like, he made a lot of movies. He made a lot of movies for a lot of paychecks, but he was like, I liked Species because I got to play a good guy.

• 4:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 4:27Chris Ryan?

  And then movie like stands up, it kind of holds up and he's great in it. He is this like, like kind of Humphrey Bogart figure in the middle of this team. And he just has like that ineffable cool that is just, you saw it in Dogs, you see it in True Romance and you see it here.

• 4:44Speaker 04

  That's what it is. He's playing, he's playing a good guy. He's playing a cool, good guy, like a no shit, straight shooter.

• 4:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 4:51Speaker 04

  That kind of like every time they're hemming and hawing about something, he goes, no, this is the truth. And that's kind of awesome.

• 4:58Bill Simmons?

  But like with a little bit of a wink and a sense of humor. He's, he's tall, he's big. Like a lot of this Hollywood guys, probably like six, one, six, two. His nineties, you know, he's ripping off Thelma and Louise, he's memorable in that. Plays a porn star in The Doors. I don't know how you feel about The Doors.

• 5:15Speaker 04

  Love it.

• 5:16Bill Simmons?

  The Getaway, Wyatt Earp. Reservoir was like his most famous one and it really goes through Species and then Donnie Brasco in 97. And then his IMDB just becomes paycheck after paycheck.

• 5:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 5:29Bill Simmons?

  Including Species two, which he hated.

• 5:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 5:31Bill Simmons?

  Um, but he has this like seven, eight year run here. Not sure why he wasn't a bigger deal. I'm sure he had some off the set issues.

• 5:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 5:40Bill Simmons?

  That probably weren't helping him. But I think that thing that stands out for me with him is he, he feels like a 1940s or 50s actor.

• 5:48Chris Ryan?

  Absolutely.

• 5:49Bill Simmons?

  Time, time machined. Like he should be with, trying to like fuck Ava Gardner in like 1949.

• 5:56Chris Ryan?

  Well, you know that, we talked about this before, but like up until a certain point and when you're watching Hollywood movies, maybe even through the eighties and nineties. You would watch these guys and there are definitely like a group of them where you would be like, I could see this dude doing something else but acting, besides acting.

• 6:11Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 6:11Chris Ryan?

  Like Harrison Ford was like a carpenter or whatever, you know, it's like, you could see guys, you'd be like, I bet this dude had another job. Before he became Sam Elliott or Ed Harris.

• 6:20Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 6:21Chris Ryan?

  And then when you see Mattson, he's kind of like that. You'd be like, oh, I could see this guy being like bartending at a pool hall.

• 6:27Speaker 04

  All right.

• 6:28Chris Ryan?

  Before he became an actor. Now, he worked at Steppenwolf. He came up through the theater. That might not be the reality, but he has like lived experience that he transmits through his performances, which I think is like the best thing.

• 6:39Speaker 04

  Like an every guy type of deal. Also, in the 90s for him, a lot of his roles to me intersected with roles that Travolta was getting.

• 6:49Chris Ryan?

  Crucially.

• 6:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, like, you know, obviously he comes, he is in Where's the Four Dogs? And Travolta's Vince Vega, those characters were related or whatever. But when you think about it, you could see him as Chili Palmer.

• 7:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:01Speaker 04

  You could see him in a lot of those roles.

• 7:03Bill Simmons?

  He'd been good in Face Off.

• 7:04Speaker 04

  Would have been good in Face Off, stuff like that. So there was kind of somebody on his corner a little bit.

• 7:09Bill Simmons?

  The move in retrospect, after like 97, he should have just done like a CSI type show. He just banked, banked TV money for 10 years.

• 7:16Chris Ryan?

  There's moments with Marge Holgerberger where you're like, oh, like he could have had the William Peterson run here. You know what I mean?

• 7:21Bill Simmons?

  Or he just could have had a show with, with her.

• 7:23Chris Ryan?

  That's what I mean.

• 7:24Bill Simmons?

  They had such good chemistry. I'm like, I just would have watched this.

• 7:27Chris Ryan?

  She's on CSI with Peterson, yeah.

• 7:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 7:28Speaker 04

  She was dialing it up in this little sexy turn.

• 7:31Bill Simmons?

  Listen, she.

• 7:31Chris Ryan?

  We'll get, we'll get to that.

• 7:32Speaker 04

  This was a.

• 7:33Bill Simmons?

  She played a hooker with a heart of gold in China Beach.

• 7:35Speaker 04

  Right.

• 7:36Bill Simmons?

  A show only CR and I watched.

• 7:37Chris Ryan?

  I fucking love China Beach.

• 7:38Bill Simmons?

  Oh, the Michael McDonald ending?

• 7:40Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:41Bill Simmons?

  Season finale, one of the great Michael McDonald moments ever.

• 7:43Chris Ryan?

  China Beach had the sickest opening credits.

• 7:45Speaker 04

  Was this the weird ass? We're doing, it like, it's Vietnam.

• 7:48Chris Ryan?

  It's Dana Delaney and she's a nurse at like a hospital or doctor at a hospital in Vietnam.

• 7:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, good looking woman in China Beach. Dana Delaney, Marge. Yeah, but it ended, they all went, it moved into the future, like 20 plus years later. And they all went to the wall to see the names and see the people that some of them whom have died. And Michael McDonald's You Can Let Go Now started playing. And it's like one of the most emotional moments in the 80s. Like, hands down. Not online, by the way. I've looked for it over and over again. I'm like, when is this gonna be online? Never, apparently.

• 8:20Chris Ryan?

  Is China Beach not on streaming? One of my favorite things about you is when you recount some emotional moment from an 80s TV show. And it's like, is Bill gonna cry right now?

• 8:28Speaker 04

  You, you, like, you were touched by that.

• 8:31Bill Simmons?

  I really was. I was by my, we were visiting my parents in Nantucket because they'd rented this house. And they were out shopping and China Beach was on. And for some reason I was just watching it. And all of a sudden the Michael McDonald, and they came home and I'm like, hey, guys. It's like, what's going on?

• 8:48Chris Ryan?

  What are you thinking about Bill? POW?

• 8:51Speaker 04

  Just being on more, it was really rough, man.

• 8:53Bill Simmons?

  No, but that show that I think there was too much music in it.

• 8:56Chris Ryan?

  Oh.

• 9:00Speaker 04

  Same reason why I can't get all of my favorite MTV stuff anymore. No more Real World, no more like MTV.

• 9:07Bill Simmons?

  All the Fox shows, like all the Nanotuno Melrose shows.

• 9:11Chris Ryan?

  That was why Homicide took a long time to get to streaming, I think, because of the music.

• 9:14Bill Simmons?

  Well, the cast in this, before we get to introducing dot, dot, dot. The cast in this, because the producer wanted in Species, they wanted to spend their $35 million budget, spend basically all of it on the alien and the effects. So they go kind of mid-market on the, on the stars. They're like, we don't need Trubalto, we'll get Madsen. They're just basically doing the same Presti. And they end up with two Oscar winners. They get Ben Kingsley, who had already won, and then Forest Whitaker, who hadn't won yet. They get Madsen, they get Marge, Marge or Marg? I never.

• 9:46Chris Ryan?

  You know what, I honestly have never said it out loud.

• 9:49Bill Simmons?

  I think it's Marge.

• 9:51Chris Ryan?

  I'm gonna say, let's go with Marge and we apologize if we're wrong.

• 9:54Bill Simmons?

  And then our guy Alfred Molina, who's two years later throwing firecrackers at Dirk Diggler and Reed Rothschild. But they just kind of patch it together. And it's a, it just, I saw this in the theater and I was like, inject this in my veins.

• 10:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, so.

• 10:11Bill Simmons?

  I know, we're waiting.

• 10:12Chris Ryan?

  You go ahead.

• 10:12Bill Simmons?

  It's, we're just appetizers.

• 10:14Speaker 04

  It's such a sneaky, devastatingly good cast. The movie is casted so seriously with all of these serious actors.

• 10:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 10:21Speaker 04

  But I did not go to see the movie in theaters because of that. I went to see the movie in theaters because there was all this talk.

• 10:29Chris Ryan?

  About SETI and life on, uh, intelligent life on Earth.

• 10:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, the clean energy, which is a.

• 10:35Bill Simmons?

  Like what happens if alien intelligence goes bad?

• 10:37Speaker 04

  Of course, I cared about the philosophical ramifications. No, the.

• 10:41Chris Ryan?

  You cared about minute 16.

• 10:42Speaker 04

  We went all together as like, we went to see it because she was naked in it. That was, that was the reason that got, I'm just being for real.

• 10:51Chris Ryan?

  Should we do like a fake Ken Burns documentary about?

• 10:55Bill Simmons?

  People go in to see Species in theater?

• 10:57Chris Ryan?

  Bam was very.

• 10:58Bill Simmons?

  I think I soloed.

• 10:58Chris Ryan?

  I could be Shelby Foot.

• 10:59Bill Simmons?

  But I'm the only alone person in the theater.

• 11:02Chris Ryan?

  Bam went with the community and Bill went alone, but we all went, we all went to watch Natasha.

• 11:09Bill Simmons?

  We're all there for one reason. Yeah, listen, Craig, did you know what this movie was?

• 11:14Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 11:16Bill Simmons?

  So basically, the synopsis is, what if I told you they made an alien movie? But the alien was a hot horny blonde who wanted to find a mate. I just think people are gonna be like, I'm gonna give this one a chance. There's a certain demo. In the streaming universe, they're like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give this a whirl. And by the way, it's on a lot of different streamers.

• 11:33Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 11:33Bill Simmons?

  This is easy to find.

• 11:35Chris Ryan?

  Can I just?

• 11:35Bill Simmons?

  But nobody knew who Natasha Henstridge was.

• 11:38Chris Ryan?

  It was her first movie. Natasha Henstridge, yeah.

• 11:40Bill Simmons?

  And this was like, we need to, we need to cast somebody who's really good looking and they succeeded.

• 11:47Chris Ryan?

  Yes. Before we get to Natasha, I just want to say that one of my favorite subgenres of the 90s is, I, I think it's like, I'll call it scientist fiction. So it's a little bit sci fi, a little bit adventury, but Congo, outbreak, sneakers, sphere. Species, mimic.

• 12:09Bill Simmons?

  Crichton in it up?

• 12:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, get, get a little Crichton in your, in your life. And, and just like, always has these really good ensembles. And that has like, a little bit of like, what would happen if there was a great big epidemic? Or what would happen if, you know, we found something in the bottom of the ocean that might be a portal to another universe? All this stuff. And it's, they just made, they executed it on such a high level.

• 12:30Bill Simmons?

  Do you put like Event Horizon in there?

• 12:33Chris Ryan?

  A little bit closer to space horror, but, but I think, I think intention, but the intention was to make it like that.

• 12:39Bill Simmons?

  Right. I completely believe the premise of this.

• 12:42Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 12:43Bill Simmons?

  Completely.

• 12:47Bill Simmons?

  That's fucking hilarious, bro. Like, the premise of this movie is so fucking wacky.

• 12:54Bill Simmons?

  When Kingsley lays it out, I'm like, yeah. They gave us some signals and then they kind of tricked us.

• 13:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, right.

• 13:01Bill Simmons?

  And they wanted us to take their code and, and, and, uh, merge it with a human and we fell for it. I was like, ah, maybe. I could see some people in Trump's cabinet falling for that one right now. Let's be honest. It's like, hey, press, good news, the aliens have reached out. They just want to merge our DNA. Is that cool?

• 13:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I could see Hexeth definitely get, getting caught with this email. Whoa, are you serious? She wants to do what?

• 13:31Bill Simmons?

  Well, she would get to Hexeth.

• 13:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 13:32Bill Simmons?

  He likes to party. Well, they decided to make. The Alien, attractive.

• 13:39Bill Simmons?

  Natasha was a Canadian model. Who had never acted before. And then, I gotta say, I bought season tickets. I thought there was gonna be a big career head. Didn't quite happen. This ended up basically becoming. She made a couple of species movies. She was in that cold nine yards. She was in.

• 13:54Speaker 04

  She hung around.

• 13:55Bill Simmons?

  But not in a way.

• 13:57Speaker 04

  Flirted with TV a little bit.

• 13:58Bill Simmons?

  Not in a way I felt like it was gonna happen for her. She's just perfect in this.

• 14:02Speaker 04

  Or you think Sharon Stone or something?

• 14:04Bill Simmons?

  I don't know. She was definitely felt like a movie star. Yeah. Right? It's like she had a presence. She had a charisma. And there's this whole alternative version of this movie that we'll talk about where it's like. Her just kinda moving around LA could have gone on for. Oh, that could have been like. Two days. That could have been like Kung Fu. Yeah. I just walked the earth. That could have just been a TV show.

• 14:22Speaker 04

  It's always. Compelling to me when alien from another planet. Or whatever being is dropped into a major metropolis and has to like figure their way out.

• 14:34Bill Simmons?

  Like, like get a hotel room, buy, buy clothes.

• 14:36Speaker 04

  Figure out money. Figure out, uh, directions, talk to people, understand culture.

• 14:41Bill Simmons?

  The hotel room TV.

• 14:42Speaker 04

  All of that stuff. But it is always much more appealing. When that alien is drop dead gorgeous.

• 14:49Bill Simmons?

  Right. Yeah.

• 14:50Speaker 04

  Because you're looking like, oh my God, are people not paying attention to her? How is she gonna blend in and all of that? She wants to go to the parties.

• 14:57Bill Simmons?

  Did she, did you waive the five year waiting period for the White Girl Hall of Fame? And just induct her immediately? How did that work? She's a founding member. She has to wait till 2000 for five years?

• 15:07Speaker 04

  It's funny, when I queued the movie up to watch it, I was like, I wonder how. Because, you know, you see her in the whole nine yards. She is. Uncommonly. Devastatingly beautiful. Like, but in a very white way. Sometimes people are, sometimes they.

• 15:24Bill Simmons?

  A tall, white, Canadian way?

• 15:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, sometimes I don't like them like that. I like them a little, you know, with my White Girl Hall of Fame, you know, I put Alexis Texas in my shit. So like, I, it's, it's so, and so, but like, she is like devastatingly gorgeous. In like a really timeless way, which you would have thought.

• 15:43Bill Simmons?

  She's Nordic.

• 15:44Speaker 04

  She's Nordic, right?

• 15:45Bill Simmons?

  Feels Nordic.

• 15:46Speaker 04

  Which normally is not my thing, but when I look, when I queued the movie back up, I'm like, whoa, she's still.

• 15:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, like she, if, if just like. Some prince had just married her three years later and she just became like the queen of Scotland. It would have made sense.

• 16:00Speaker 04

  Or if like, if Quincy Jehovah got to her.

• 16:03Bill Simmons?

  Or Pete Sampras.

• 16:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:04Bill Simmons?

  It's just like, oh, Pete Sampras is Woody Wilburton. There's his girlfriend Natasha Hencher.

• 16:09Chris Ryan?

  Exactly.

• 16:10Bill Simmons?

  She's just in the box cheering him on next to Lady Di.

• 16:15Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I don't, I don't know why more stuff didn't happen with her. Maybe she wasn't a very good actor. Her acting didn't really matter in this movie.

• 16:21Chris Ryan?

  The other thing that's kind of cool about her in this movie is if, whether you're alone in the theater or with the crew, like it confronts you with some images that you may not consider erotic on first pass, but then find yourself kind of being like, am I kind of into this? Am I kind of into this naked lady popping out of an alien cocoon?

• 16:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 16:42Chris Ryan?

  Naked, covered in petroleum jelly.

• 16:44Bill Simmons?

  Trained jelly.

• 16:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 16:45Speaker 04

  The part where you know the guy's about to die.

• 16:47Chris Ryan?

  These are the search terms that we don't have anymore. You know what I mean?

• 16:50Speaker 04

  You know, she's gonna kill the guy and she looks at him and she goes, I want a baby. And you're like, I would give you one.

• 16:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 16:57Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 17:02Bill Simmons?

  It is, uh, it's quite a performance. On the flip side, I think we have to, I created a new award that I'm just gonna do now. The Ben Kingsley in Species Award for, it doesn't seem like you really want to be here.

• 17:16Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 17:18Bill Simmons?

  We've seen this before. I don't know how we've done almost 400 movies and this hasn't been a category yet, but I think he just regretted being in this from the get go and never really broke out of it.

• 17:27Chris Ryan?

  He didn't love his time on the set.

• 17:29Bill Simmons?

  Was not surprised to find that out in the research.

• 17:31Chris Ryan?

  And I think he was probably in that zone of middle aged English actor who was like, kind of in the Michael Caine zone. You know, where you're like, I can, I can do this in my sleep.

• 17:42Bill Simmons?

  I've won an Oscar before, but I guess now here's where my career is going.

• 17:45Chris Ryan?

  One single tear.

• 17:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 17:46Chris Ryan?

  As I execute the young sill, but like, other than that. I just tell me I have to run down this hallway.

• 17:52Bill Simmons?

  He's on autopilot the whole time.

• 17:54Speaker 04

  He's also an interesting guy. Like, he's made some movies. What's that guy that's known as the worst director of all time? Ewan Boll or whatever?

• 18:00Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 18:01Speaker 04

  He was in one of his movies and apparently.

• 18:03Chris Ryan?

  Blood Rain?

• 18:04Speaker 04

  Something like that. Yeah, the way it worked out was that like Ben Kingsley was near where they were shooting or something and somebody got in touch with them. They found it out some kind of way. It was like, yo, we'll give you seventy five thousand dollars to come over here and act for one day. Then they put him on the cover of the DVD. So Ben, he'll take a check to go and add some credibility to a film.

• 18:24Chris Ryan?

  Five years or so, he would do like, he would just be in Sexy Beast and you'd be like, oh, you're the best actor in the world.

• 18:28Speaker 04

  Right. He does his thing.

• 18:30Bill Simmons?

  Sean does that with Blu-ray extras. He's the Ben Kingsley of Blu-ray extra interviews.

• 18:37Chris Ryan?

  If you cut the check, Sean will show up and be like, you know, species?

• 18:40Bill Simmons?

  Can't Buy Me Love, director's commentary?

• 18:43Speaker 04

  Oh, that's a great movie, man.

• 18:44Bill Simmons?

  So Madsen.

• 18:45Speaker 04

  I love that movie. You like that?

• 18:47Bill Simmons?

  Madsen?

• 18:48Speaker 04

  Appreciate it.

• 18:49Bill Simmons?

  Have we done Can't Buy Me Love, Craig?

• 18:50Chris Ryan?

  Yes, yeah.

• 18:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I thought we did. Might have been during that COVID year. I don't remember anything.

• 18:55Chris Ryan?

  But we did care about you.

• 18:56Bill Simmons?

  Or I'm for October.

• 19:01Bill Simmons?

  We gotta save some stuff.

• 19:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:03Bill Simmons?

  Still saving things.

• 19:04Chris Ryan?

  I guess we're gonna work together forever because like, I'm not leaving you until you do Scar.

• 19:10Bill Simmons?

  Gotta hold some stuff over you. Madsen has lines in this movie like, I'm Preston Lennox and if I'm here, the shit has definitely hit the fan.

• 19:20Chris Ryan?

  It's good.

• 19:21Bill Simmons?

  Solid.

• 19:22Chris Ryan?

  I also like when, uh.

• 19:23Bill Simmons?

  I'm a freelance solution to our government's problems.

• 19:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:26Bill Simmons?

  Always fun when somebody has that job. I feel like that would have been your job if you could have written yourself a part in an action movie.

• 19:32Chris Ryan?

  Those jobs now. That's one of the problems, maybe.

• 19:34Bill Simmons?

  The rogue?

• 19:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, too many guys are just like, yeah, I work for the government.

• 19:39Bill Simmons?

  Tell him he's about to copulate with a creature from outer space. Like, these are bad lines and he's ripping them off and unbelieving.

• 19:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he can just put like a little bit of hot sauce on anything where he's just like, when they're like, we made her female so that she would be more docile. And he was like, you guys don't get out much.

• 19:54Speaker 04

  On the Madsen tip, when he passed away, it was evident to me when I thought about it is like, he was just a cool actor that I knew that if he was in a movie, some cool shit was gonna happen.

• 20:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 20:08Speaker 04

  Like him and The Getaway, him and Reservoir Dogs and all of that. And who are the cool actors now? Who like the cool guys?

• 20:16Chris Ryan?

  Who's like cool?

• 20:17Speaker 04

  Like just cool. I'm not talking about dudes that you know.

• 20:19Bill Simmons?

  Like the way Sizemore was like that too.

• 20:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, who could open a movie or do whatever. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about just like, this guy is cool. You know, the movie is gonna have a little something to it and he's gonna bring a little something to it.

• 20:30Bill Simmons?

  Some sauce.

• 20:30Speaker 04

  Some sauce. Like, are all those guys gone? And have they not been replaced?

• 20:36Bill Simmons?

  I feel like Bernthal was like this for a while, but then he kind of kind of graduated.

• 20:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 20:42Bill Simmons?

  But Bernthal was this guy for a while.

• 20:44Chris Ryan?

  Bernthal had that authenticity. I think.

• 20:46Bill Simmons?

  Holt?

• 20:46Chris Ryan?

  Evan Moss's Backrack has that a little bit.

• 20:48Speaker 04

  Little bit, but.

• 20:50Chris Ryan?

  He's about to go pro with the Fantastic Four stuff.

• 20:53Speaker 04

  A little bit, he had it. I thought.

• 20:54Bill Simmons?

  What about Holt, our guy?

• 20:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 20:57Bill Simmons?

  No?

• 20:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. But it's, yes, definitely cool. Definitely has that like authentic feel. Goggins a little bit.

• 21:05Speaker 04

  Goggins is one.

• 21:07Chris Ryan?

  He's like, that's a real dude, like, right, yeah.

• 21:09Speaker 04

  Goggins is definitely one. Part of it is, I don't know if they're making the movies anymore.

• 21:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I was thinking there has to be some sort of checklist where the guy, could you have pulled off being one of the bad guys in a Fast and Furious movie? Could you?

• 21:25Speaker 04

  Can you be the asshole in a heist movie? Can you play, uh?

• 21:29Bill Simmons?

  Could you be De Niro and Kilmer's third guy in Heat? Like, there's these things you kind of have to be able to do.

• 21:36Speaker 04

  Or like, could you be Wingrove?

• 21:37Bill Simmons?

  Of being cool. Yeah, could you be Wingrove?

• 21:39Speaker 04

  Right.

• 21:39Bill Simmons?

  That's a good one.

• 21:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, so like, those guys, those movies that were made, those kind of scuzzy, street level films. Actually, you know who's kind of one of those dudes now? In a weird way, Gerard Butler almost has become that. But he might be a little too leading man.

• 21:56Bill Simmons?

  Pablo's might be like that. Pablo Schreiber.

• 21:58Chris Ryan?

  Sure, just like, I'd love to see him get more work in those kinds of movies.

• 22:02Bill Simmons?

  So maybe part of it is like, would Tarantino in the mid 90s have been dying to put you in one of his movies?

• 22:09Chris Ryan?

  Right, I definitely think some of the guys we just mentioned would have been. I mean, Goggins was in a Tarantino movie once, you know what I mean, at a certain point.

• 22:16Bill Simmons?

  Can we do Madsen versus Sizemore? Because I feel like you have to, you have to be on one team or the other. Are you a Madsen guy or a Sizemore guy?

• 22:25Chris Ryan?

  I think filmography wise, it's Sizemore.

• 22:28Bill Simmons?

  No, what does CR want? Were you most excited? Like, who's your guy? If you're cast in a movie and you could do the fantasy team and you're doing like a heist movie or whatever, who's your, are you calling?

• 22:43Chris Ryan?

  Sizemore.

• 22:43Bill Simmons?

  Sizemore. I think I'm a Sizemore guy too, but it's close.

• 22:47Speaker 04

  So I'll tell you why I'm gonna take Madsen.

• 22:49Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 22:50Speaker 04

  I think Madsen can do everything that Sizemore can do, but there are a couple of things that I think

• 22:56Chris Ryan?

  Sizemore can't do that Madsen can do.

• 22:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, the slightly, there's something charming, you might feel like he can

• 23:03Speaker 04

  A little bit more like leading man, it can be oriented around me, a little bit more, I can get the girl, like you said, type shit. Madsen has a little bit more of that.

• 23:15Bill Simmons?

  Madsen also, there's a bunch of parts in the 90s, I think he could have played that. I don't know if I would have bought Sizemore in. Like, Madsen could have been the Michael Douglas Basic Instinct part. I totally could have seen him as Shooter.

• 23:27Chris Ryan?

  Imagine Madsen reacts in your Roxy.

• 23:33Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 23:35Bill Simmons?

  Because I wouldn't see Sizemore in that role. You know what I mean?

• 23:39Speaker 04

  The only thing about Shooter is Shooter, Shooter had to be somebody that looked clean cut, but had a dark side.

• 23:47Bill Simmons?

  That's Madsen.

• 23:48Speaker 04

  When you see Madsen, to me, you see the dark side a little bit.

• 23:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 23:51Bill Simmons?

  Right, but you're bringing your off-screen baggage to that. Because you know the stories. I saw him like five years ago in Malibu, eating breakfast and he was there, he was dressed in a leather jacket. It was like 80 degrees outside, eating with one of his kids. And I took a picture of his back and sent it to CR. I don't know if you remember this, CR.

• 24:08Chris Ryan?

  I do.

• 24:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:09Bill Simmons?

  It's like, Madsen, having breakfast.

• 24:12Chris Ryan?

  Well, the idea of you out there papping people.

• 24:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it was like, one of the only times I've ever done it, I was like, I gotta get this.

• 24:17Chris Ryan?

  Did you talk to him?

• 24:20Bill Simmons?

  Nah, I chickened out. I should have. I never like talking to celebrities.

• 24:22Chris Ryan?

  He's really good as far as late period him goes like he's really good in hatefully. He's awesome and Kill Bill Part Two.

• 24:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 24:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's fantastic. He still had it, but like obviously hell on a like off screen stuff and yeah, but there's like that. There's the turning point in his career is essentially he's supposed to do Pulp, right? It doesn't um to be in some things.

• 24:45Bill Simmons?

  I think he committed to something.

• 24:47Chris Ryan?

  He was in Donnie Brasco.

• 24:48Bill Simmons?

  But that was later. It was some other movie.

• 24:49Chris Ryan?

  Was like a couple of years after. Was it?

• 24:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, there was some reason he's not in it.

• 24:54Chris Ryan?

  But like you wonder whether or not if he's in Pulp Fiction.

• 24:56Bill Simmons?

  Does he get like four of those Travolta movies?

• 24:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Yeah, unless, I mean, you know, sometimes a role aligns with an actor. Sure. I mean, that was like reviving Travolta. Certainly, yeah.

• 25:06Bill Simmons?

  The Ben Kingsley in Species Award. It doesn't really seem like you wanted to be in this movie. I'd love, we, we gotta think about this, like who's the all time version of that? In a movie that we like, we don't do this now, but the next.

• 25:20Chris Ryan?

  Roy Scheider in Jaws Two.

• 25:22Bill Simmons?

  That was a good one, too. Thirty five million dollar budget made a hundred and thirteen point three million dollars.

• 25:27Chris Ryan?

  Big hit. Yeah.

• 25:27Bill Simmons?

  Species. Roger Ebert. Two stars.

• 25:34Bill Simmons?

  I would have thought he would have enjoyed the nudity.

• 25:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 25:38Bill Simmons?

  Mainstream Hollywood is so terrified of intelligent human characters that it's no wonder they don't want aliens who are even smarter than the humans. Just goes on and on talking about what were they trying to do? He's told us that whole story when she asks, who am I, what am I? And then Raj writes, but the movie never tells her.

• 25:57Chris Ryan?

  Relax.

• 25:57Bill Simmons?

  Settle down, Raj. All timer.

• 26:00Chris Ryan?

  Have some fun, brother.

• 26:01Bill Simmons?

  We're gonna take a break and go through the categories and a lot of fun stuff.

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• 27:09Bill Simmons?

  All right, most rewatchable scene. Michelle Williams, young Michelle Williams, escaping. In the glass hole, they're trying to gas her out.

• 27:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:18Bill Simmons?

  She won't have it. Gets out of there. I like how this movie starts. You're like, immediately, it's good.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, it gives you no chance to just, here's the focal point. Up against it, gonna eat everything, alien, escape, crack some necks, we're out of here.

• 27:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, there's no like four-minute people walking in a long hallway being like, we have to do it today.

• 27:40Chris Ryan?

  If you're gonna make a B-movie, just make it a B-movie and start the movie. You know, I don't need a preamble, I don't need like a flashback, I don't need five years ago.

• 27:50Speaker 04

  Scientist telling you how important the research is.

• 27:52Chris Ryan?

  Bang, Michelle Williams in a cage, let's go.

• 27:55Speaker 04

  Right.

• 27:55Bill Simmons?

  Do we do the, are we sure this guy was good at her, what's that a word?

• 28:00Chris Ryan?

  That was my flex.

• 28:01Bill Simmons?

  Oh, all right, I'll save it for you, CR. Next rewatchable.

• 28:05Chris Ryan?

  Was it really?

• 28:06Speaker 04

  I swear to hell, yeah.

• 28:07Chris Ryan?

  I can probably come up with another flex.

• 28:08Speaker 04

  I'll come up with another one.

• 28:10Bill Simmons?

  Next rewatchable, Fitch has his crew and he lays out what happened with the alien. Good exposition.

• 28:15Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:16Bill Simmons?

  Two minutes, you just get it. "We decided to make it female so it would be more docile and controllable." And press goes, "More docile and controllable, eh? You guys don't get out much."

• 28:26Speaker 02

  "We decided to make it female so that it would be more docile and controllable." More docile and controllable, huh? I guess you guys don't get out much.

• 28:36Bill Simmons?

  Just trip it off Winterland.

• 28:38Chris Ryan?

  You ever wish you were invited to a random meeting? Where it's just like, I'm a biologist, I'm an anthropologist, I'm a killer, and Bill's like, I'm a podcaster.

• 28:49Chris Ryan?

  It's just like, great, you're gonna meet.

• 28:51Bill Simmons?

  We're getting more in the video.

• 28:52Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, the team was an anthropologist, a molecular biologist, a black ops mercenary, and an empath. And I don't know, at what point do you want to talk about whatever Forrest Whitaker's doing in this movie? We can do it later.

• 29:04Chris Ryan?

  I have so many questions.

• 29:05Bill Simmons?

  We'll save it.

• 29:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 29:05Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 29:08Bill Simmons?

  So he, so, uh, Madsen says, I think this is a search and destroy operation. It's like, yeah, we get it.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  Search and destroy operation, just so we know. They send one person who knows how to fight.

• 29:20Bill Simmons?

  And three losers.

• 29:21Speaker 04

  And three eggheads.

• 29:22Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 29:22Speaker 04

  We're gonna give out the Erica.

• 29:23Bill Simmons?

  Including empath who gets freaked out if somebody's ordering coffee. It's like, ah, that's the cat, that's the cat.

• 29:28Chris Ryan?

  No, he would be like, someone wanted coffee here.

• 29:33Bill Simmons?

  She's, she's afraid.

• 29:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 29:35Bill Simmons?

  Like, it's honestly like that SNL sketch with Christopher Walken, Trivial Psychic. You're gonna have an ice cream. You're gonna get an ice cream headache.

• 29:48Bill Simmons?

  Fitch almost lets Marge and Madsen die in the lab.

• 29:51Chris Ryan?

  In the burn room, yeah.

• 29:52Bill Simmons?

  Lot of questions about this one.

• 29:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 29:53Bill Simmons?

  Why they couldn't have just opened the door quick, let them out. And then Madsen's not mad at all, but it's a really fun scene. All right, here we go. I'll just read what I wrote down. Natasha goes to the club, kills a bitch at the id, takes her shirt off, goes to a Hollywood Hills house.

• 30:12Bill Simmons?

  And kills somebody by French kissing them through the back of their neck.

• 30:15Speaker 04

  Tongue through the fucking.

• 30:15Chris Ryan?

  And then that guy looks like Nick Wright.

• 30:19Chris Ryan?

  He does. He looks exactly like Nick Wright.

• 30:24Chris Ryan?

  This movie would have been amazing if that dude was like Jim Rome.

• 30:28Speaker 04

  Right.

• 30:29Chris Ryan?

  And he was just like driving her home and was just like, yeah, what do you know about Luke Robitaille?

• 30:37Bill Simmons?

  He's talking about MJ. I still feel like there's a guy who's gonna come that's gonna be greater than him. Still feel like there's some holes.

• 30:44Chris Ryan?

  And she's like, I want your baby.

• 30:45Bill Simmons?

  He does look like Nick Wright.

• 30:46Speaker 04

  He does. And he's got a nice crib. He's probably, he probably is.

• 30:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 30:50Speaker 04

  That arrows Nick Wright, snapping his fingers, turning the lights on.

• 30:55Bill Simmons?

  She gives a, she, she, first she, the girl that she ends up killing in the bathroom. Nothing better than a good club murder in the bathroom where they find the body like two minutes later.

• 31:05Speaker 04

  Right.

• 31:05Chris Ryan?

  And she went the hard way. She went like into a service entrance and threw the fucking tile wall.

• 31:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, she was.

• 31:12Speaker 04

  I feel like that woman died for nothing. Well, you know what?

• 31:15Chris Ryan?

  She was, she was seen as a threat.

• 31:16Speaker 04

  As a throw.

• 31:17Chris Ryan?

  And she said, all's fair in love, in love, right? Or something like that. And then she's, still is very literal.

• 31:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 31:26Bill Simmons?

  So Natasha learns from her, I've got a party to go to, nobody to take me. Good line. Nobody's ever said that to me. The guy who picks up Natasha at the club, living the dream.

• 31:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, Robbie.

• 31:39Bill Simmons?

  Great BMW convertible, like really good year, like midnight, those mid nineties convertibles were elite.

• 31:45Speaker 04

  Crazy view, automated, snap.

• 31:48Bill Simmons?

  He's got like surround sound, pretty early for the surround sound of like, I'm just gonna put on some Shadé.

• 31:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:54Bill Simmons?

  And, and play some music for you.

• 31:56Speaker 04

  Right. Um. Entitled though.

• 31:58Bill Simmons?

  And, uh.

• 31:59Chris Ryan?

  Well, yeah, it was problematic.

• 32:00Bill Simmons?

  Well, I was rooting for him and then all of a sudden he got a little date rape.

• 32:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 32:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, he did. He, he tried to imprison her. He tried to with the wrong one.

• 32:08Speaker 07

  Come here.

• 32:08Speaker 02

  I said I wanna go.

• 32:10Speaker 07

  Too late babe, you're not leaving. I said you're not leaving.

• 32:16Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 32:17Speaker 07

  That's better.

• 32:29Bill Simmons?

  Really wanted more from Nick Ray.

• 32:33Bill Simmons?

  She's like, I just think MJ was better than Bron. He's like, you're staying here.

• 32:38Chris Ryan?

  You want to watch Sean Kemp highlights?

• 32:44Bill Simmons?

  I do, I did think in living in Boston in the mid 90s that like half the people in LA were like this guy.

• 32:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 32:52Bill Simmons?

  Where they just like went to clubs and then lived in a house like this.

• 32:55Speaker 04

  Brought somebody home.

• 32:57Bill Simmons?

  Just brought people home.

• 32:58Speaker 04

  Like just overwhelmed them with like all of the stuff that they had and then boom, closed the deal.

• 33:03Chris Ryan?

  So do you think she kills him because he's date rapey or because he's diabetic?

• 33:08Bill Simmons?

  Both. I think it was a combo.

• 33:09Speaker 04

  He also threatened her because.

• 33:11Chris Ryan?

  That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

• 33:12Speaker 04

  It's like, I want to leave.

• 33:13Bill Simmons?

  He should have, she should have killed him when he said, I've got to take a shower.

• 33:16Speaker 04

  Would you like?

• 33:17Chris Ryan?

  Killed him in the shower. Yeah.

• 33:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Just like, that's weird.

• 33:20Chris Ryan?

  Well, I think he tried, he tried to cash the like, maybe she'll shower with me check. And when she didn't go for that, he was like, well, I'm already committed to this shower, so I gotta take it.

• 33:28Bill Simmons?

  Right. I do have some alien questions though. Like she'd never seen a shower before. Like there's a lot of moments where she should have been like, what's a shower?

• 33:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 33:36Bill Simmons?

  Why are you standing in that room with water pouring on you?

• 33:38Chris Ryan?

  Three commercials and was like, I got it.

• 33:41Speaker 04

  Saw people coming to money. I understand money.

• 33:44Bill Simmons?

  Her and Borat were the fastest son he was ever simulated with America.

• 33:47Chris Ryan?

  She saw one porn scene at a, at a L'Oreal commercial. She's like, I'm good.

• 33:54Bill Simmons?

  I totally understand how all this works.

• 33:56Chris Ryan?

  I gotta say, tough beat for diabetes. Like that's enough. I know.

• 33:59Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 33:59Chris Ryan?

  I know. Like it was kind of like a drive by on the diabetics.

• 34:03Speaker 07

  I would love if her alien son had like an insulin device on.

• 34:07Bill Simmons?

  Sit the sewers.

• 34:09Chris Ryan?

  Eating rats. Yeah.

• 34:11Bill Simmons?

  Next one is the Palisades guy. Our guy with Publix.

• 34:17Chris Ryan?

  I also really love just still at the beach and the skateboarder guy who's like, woo hoo. And someone gets hit by the car.

• 34:25Bill Simmons?

  I, I have a spot for that.

• 34:28Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 34:29Bill Simmons?

  I have thoughts.

• 34:30Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 34:32Bill Simmons?

  The most Palisades guy ever picks her up.

• 34:36Bill Simmons?

  He just, he's, he's like, isn't it great out here? You can, so quiet. She's got this nice, he's got some wine ready. And he's just like, ready to, uh, ready to take it slow. And she's like.

• 34:49Speaker 04

  But this is the, this is the biggest tragedy in the movie.

• 34:52Bill Simmons?

  Five seconds.

• 34:52Speaker 04

  Cause this guy's a nice guy.

• 34:54Bill Simmons?

  He is a nice guy.

• 34:55Speaker 04

  He wants to take a picture with her. What a sip. He's taking a picture with her, first date, got the Polaroid.

• 35:00Chris Ryan?

  Kinda weird.

• 35:00Speaker 04

  Weird. And then.

• 35:02Chris Ryan?

  Also, he goes from like, I've checked you into and out of the hospital and here's a charcuterie plate, like immediately.

• 35:07Speaker 04

  Yeah. He paid for her to get out of the hospital. Took her, was nice to her. What did he fucking get for it? Killed, nothing, justice for him.

• 35:15Bill Simmons?

  Peaceful guy in the Palisades. She had a nice girl.

• 35:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 35:19Bill Simmons?

  Was gonna pay for his, uh, for her, uh, injuries at the hospital, put it on my credit card.

• 35:24Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 35:25Bill Simmons?

  Although I can't blame him. Um. Was there a bigger swing for a human being in 30 seconds than that guy's Nate?

• 35:37Bill Simmons?

  He's like, this is great. Yeah, let's get in the hot tub.

• 35:39Speaker 04

  Alright, let's get in the hot tub. We're good.

• 35:41Bill Simmons?

  Fucking, hit the fucking lottery. I can't believe this all, and then have 30 seconds later is being killed.

• 35:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 35:47Speaker 04

  He stopped going with the flow though.

• 35:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he started resisting it.

• 35:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:51Chris Ryan?

  He started pushing against the current.

• 35:52Speaker 04

  And then, that's when you gotta die.

• 35:55Bill Simmons?

  Poor bastard. The car chase bodies switch explosion, whatever's going on there. Very fun to watch. Um. I'll put, do a nitpick here though. Nobody, none of this dream team suspicious at all. That the alien with superior intelligence might have rigged any part of this.

• 36:13Chris Ryan?

  No, they're like, let's go back to the hotel and get plowed.

• 36:15Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, I mean, she sees some Long Island STs.

• 36:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 36:18Bill Simmons?

  And then, uh, the last one I have is everyone gets horny.

• 36:22Chris Ryan?

  Dueling sex scenes.

• 36:23Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 36:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:24Bill Simmons?

  Marge was, really seemed like she was enjoying the scenes.

• 36:28Speaker 04

  She gets the.

• 36:28Chris Ryan?

  I don't wanna step on half ass internet's research, but apparently that scene was basically improvised by Helgenberger and.

• 36:36Bill Simmons?

  That was in my research as well.

• 36:38Chris Ryan?

  The blowjob? Yeah. They were like, but that's, honestly, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, oh, shit's getting real here on Species, yo.

• 36:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:46Chris Ryan?

  These are two consenting adults.

• 36:48Speaker 04

  Stand up. Stand up.

• 36:49Bill Simmons?

  I mean, I had it as a category later. Did this movie need a better, the Steven Seagal award for did this movie need a better intimacy coordinator? Marge and Michael, like, keep that intimacy coordinator over there.

• 37:00Speaker 04

  Waving them off, Allen Iverson style. Clear out. Clear out. Like, we, we, we got this.

• 37:09Bill Simmons?

  Do you know that Segal movie? That's where we have that category. Where he's just going at it. With this, he's like a cop who's just going at it with this lady who, I think it's his wife, who just ends up getting murdered.

• 37:21Speaker 04

  Wait a minute, which one? You're talking about Kelly LeBrock?

• 37:24Bill Simmons?

  It's the first one we, yeah, no, no, it's not the Kelly LeBrock one. It's the second one Kyle and I did. What was that?

• 37:29Speaker 04

  Al for Justice?

• 37:30Bill Simmons?

  No, we just did that one. Above the Law?

• 37:32Chris Ryan?

  Above the Law, man.

• 37:34Speaker 04

  Above the Law is, no.

• 37:35Bill Simmons?

  And she gets gunned down, but Segal is like, they're like, it's like uncomfortable.

• 37:39Speaker 04

  I don't know if I've, I don't know if I've.

• 37:40Bill Simmons?

  I don't think we've done Mark for Death.

• 37:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:42Bill Simmons?

  Anyway, what do you have for most rewatchable CR?

• 37:44Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I think doing sex scenes at the end. Yeah.

• 37:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's clearly the answer because Henstrich is going for it in that sex scene. Like.

• 37:57Bill Simmons?

  Melina was never the same. He's throwing firecrackers a year later.

• 38:01Speaker 04

  He, she is going for it in that sex scene. I really had to focus watching this movie. I'm sorry, I apologize, guys. Apologize to the listeners.

• 38:09Bill Simmons?

  I love the Hollywood Hills, that whole scene is great. That's my favorite part.

• 38:13Speaker 04

  Oh, really? The hot tub, the, the.

• 38:15Chris Ryan?

  Robbie.

• 38:15Speaker 04

  Robbie.

• 38:15Bill Simmons?

  I just, I just love that whole section is just great.

• 38:18Speaker 04

  Bill, you see yourself as Robbie, huh?

• 38:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 38:21Speaker 04

  In like another life, you're like.

• 38:23Bill Simmons?

  Could have happened. Two moves away. What's the most 1995 thing about this movie?

• 38:30Bill Simmons?

  I mean, Michelle Williams as young Natasha Andridge.

• 38:34Chris Ryan?

  She's, she's disavowed this film.

• 38:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I know.

• 38:40Bill Simmons?

  But she's like, hasn't disavowed Dawson's Creek?

• 38:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 38:45Chris Ryan?

  I would have loved to have been like on the, the junket for Manchester by the Sea. And just ask her. And be like, great work, but in species. Did you have to eat all those chocolate puddings or were those stuck puddings?

• 38:58Speaker 04

  Why'd you kill the train conductor?

• 39:00Bill Simmons?

  Uh, 1995. She has that little portable Sony TV that only existed for like three years. That has to be the answer, right?

• 39:08Chris Ryan?

  Did you ever have one of those?

• 39:09Bill Simmons?

  Of course I did. You kidding?

• 39:11Speaker 04

  You had that portable TV?

• 39:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 39:13Chris Ryan?

  You still have a Vision Pro. What are you making fun of him for?

• 39:16Speaker 04

  The Vision, the Vision Pro has come back around to the Vision Pro.

• 39:19Chris Ryan?

  No, it looked like it weighed 15 pounds.

• 39:21Bill Simmons?

  You could get, yeah, they were like walkie talkies and they had these tiny screens, but you could get, it was great for sports. Like you could get the local whatever.

• 39:28Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I have a 1995 thing, but like, do you think that F1 is going to be cool with the Vision Pro?

• 39:34Speaker 04

  Um, it would be awesome because it'll be specifically done for Apple.

• 39:37Chris Ryan?

  You think they're doing it that way?

• 39:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, but the Vision Pros come back though because it was stupid, but now it's come back because the NBA app has caught up to the technology and the NBA app has caught up to the Vision Pro and now watching a game on your Vision Pro is fucking amazing.

• 39:52Bill Simmons?

  Are you gonna be able to see LeBron selling, he's standing in the corner as Luca dribbles for 20 seconds? Will I have a better view of that?

• 39:57Speaker 04

  Probably so.

• 39:59Bill Simmons?

  I have a court time. Fuck, this is how we're gonna do this again? Great, alright, I'll just be over here.

• 40:04Bill Simmons?

  End of, end of the movie horrible special effects I had as well for 95.

• 40:08Chris Ryan?

  I just had the, uh, the paper credit card authorization machine.

• 40:12Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that's a good one.

• 40:13Speaker 04

  So I have both of those, the analog thing. I haven't seen one of those in years. And you know what else is so 95 about this movie? Everybody is so thin. Molina, thin Alfred Molina, thin. Everybody, they, they all look so fucking young when I, cause these actors go on to be people that you see in

• 40:32Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 40:32Speaker 04

  all kinds of movies. The first thing, oh my God.

• 40:36Bill Simmons?

  What's age the best, speaking of Molina?

• 40:39Bill Simmons?

  Just that I, IMDB stretch for him where it's species and, uh, boogie nights within each other. Just impressed. Um, I have, uh, I have a bunch of stuff. You, you go see our.

• 40:50Chris Ryan?

  Got a couple. Number one is just, uh, just a quick shot of Mattson watching hockey.

• 40:56Bill Simmons?

  I was trying to figure out what game that was.

• 40:58Chris Ryan?

  I think it was the Team USA game. I tried to zoom in.

• 41:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it was an NHL game. I couldn't.

• 41:02Chris Ryan?

  Uh, but just like him being two beers deep watching hockey when he gets the call, then that still is at the club.

• 41:08Bill Simmons?

  He's like, oh, time to catch the whole third period.

• 41:14Chris Ryan?

  We, I want to talk about Forrest Whitaker and being an empath. The Dan walking into the train car, seeing a dead woman in the husk of an alien uterus and saying, "Something bad happened here."

• 41:23Speaker 04

  Something bad happened here. No fucking shit. I laughed. Like, "Something bad happened here. What are you talking about?" It's an extraterrestrial cocoon.

• 41:31Chris Ryan?

  And?

• 41:34Bill Simmons?

  I didn't know whether to put him in what's age the best or what's age the worst.

• 41:37Chris Ryan?

  It's kind of both, but this time around, I was like, this is amazing. Where does this guy work? Is there any certification for his gifts?

• 41:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 41:45Chris Ryan?

  Half of it is just like, "Ah, it's hot in here."

• 41:49Speaker 04

  Right, yeah. Like, somebody was hot, or somebody was hot in here.

• 41:52Chris Ryan?

  They're like in a restaurant and he's like, "She was hungry."

• 41:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he does like the, "She was scared."

• 42:00Chris Ryan?

  Oh.

• 42:01Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. It's like, "She probably was scared. She's an alien."

• 42:03Chris Ryan?

  There's moments where he's like touching the, like the cement, the ground, like the dirt to see which direction she went in. I'm like, "What does that have to do with being an empath?" Sunny Hayes touching the track.

• 42:12Speaker 04

  His powers are completely inconsistent in the movie. Does he have the power to know somebody's feelings?

• 42:18Bill Simmons?

  He knew somebody was at the door before they knocked.

• 42:20Chris Ryan?

  It's crazy.

• 42:21Bill Simmons?

  He might just have crazy hearing.

• 42:23Speaker 04

  Well, I don't know. At first I just thought it was ESP when I first saw the movie, crazy hearing. Like, he's a mutant of some sort.

• 42:30Bill Simmons?

  Well, cause he, cause he heard the guy at the door. Maybe he's just like, he's kind of like an overdeveloped.

• 42:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 42:35Speaker 04

  And then he starts, after a while throughout the movie, he starts taking her side. Really, he doesn't start taking her, he's on her side the whole time.

• 42:41Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 42:42Speaker 04

  She's a living being. She's scared.

• 42:43Bill Simmons?

  So she doesn't kill him.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:45Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 42:46Bill Simmons?

  It's an inexplicable character. And I think a huge part of why I like this movie, cause it's, I just can't believe this was the best they could do. They put the least thought into, first of all, what's an empath? Have you ever met one?

• 43:00Chris Ryan?

  Um, now it's like, people are like, "I'm very empathic."

• 43:02Speaker 04

  Everyone is an empath now.

• 43:06Chris Ryan?

  It just means you're like sensitive.

• 43:09Bill Simmons?

  As a job?

• 43:10Speaker 04

  Bill, no.

• 43:11Chris Ryan?

  No, as a personality characteristic.

• 43:13Speaker 04

  Now, for like ladies who have like-

• 43:15Chris Ryan?

  Don't worry, you're not.

• 43:16Speaker 04

  Right. No, you are the opposite of an empath. You're like, okay, you're the opposite. But for ladies that have like, for ladies that have like waist beads and want to know your birth chart and stuff like that-

• 43:28Bill Simmons?

  But is this a job?

• 43:29Speaker 04

  It's not a job.

• 43:30Bill Simmons?

  A social media like hobby?

• 43:31Speaker 04

  It's no, it's not a job. It's like when you're feeling bad, I feel bad. I'm an empath. I mirror your feelings and all of that stuff like that.

• 43:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 43:39Speaker 04

  It's a thing.

• 43:40Bill Simmons?

  So you're basically a golden retriever.

• 43:43Bill Simmons?

  Golden retrievers mirror their humans. If humans are sad, happy.

• 43:46Chris Ryan?

  How did the CIA know about him?

• 43:49Bill Simmons?

  They went on empath.com.

• 43:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, seriously. They were on the 1995 version of Indeed, just like-

• 43:56Speaker 04

  They tracking him? Like, why?

• 43:58Bill Simmons?

  So Kalika says to you, hey,

• 44:02Bill Simmons?

  Denise is coming over tonight. And you're like, the empath?

• 44:04Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 44:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 44:05Speaker 04

  Alright.

• 44:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, she's still doing that? Yeah, yeah, no, it's going well.

• 44:09Speaker 04

  Or-

• 44:09Bill Simmons?

  Had some empath sessions.

• 44:11Speaker 04

  Or you're in a LA conversation at a party, somebody has a couple of buns of coke and they go, because the thing about me is I'm a fucking empath.

• 44:21Speaker 04

  And I can't handle all of this negativity from everyone.

• 44:24Chris Ryan?

  If we're talking about Dan, though, I did, I was gonna bring this up later, but

• 44:29Chris Ryan?

  is Tony Romo kind of an empath?

• 44:31Bill Simmons?

  Oh, with, with plays?

• 44:32Chris Ryan?

  Predicting the plays?

• 44:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 44:34Chris Ryan?

  You know, like, because he's like a little, I guess it's a little bit more predictive rather than reactive. It would be like if Romo was like, I knew they were gonna blitz Jim, like, you know, like after the blitz? But there's something like, I was trying to imagine what Dan would be like as an announcer, as a sports announcer.

• 44:50Bill Simmons?

  Well, or flip it, Tony Romo in the empath role in this movie, like, she was hungry, Jim!

• 44:57Bill Simmons?

  She got threatened!

• 44:58Chris Ryan?

  She just wants to procreate, Jimmy! Natural imperative!

• 45:01Bill Simmons?

  Very horny.

• 45:02Speaker 04

  But Forest Whitaker, though, for, for a very long stretch of his career, was just an expert at playing weird, off-kilter characters.

• 45:11Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 45:12Speaker 04

  Like fucking Ghost Dog Dis or Raging Harlem, which is a great fucking movie. And he just playing weird, like a bigger guy but could play mousy real well, soft spoken real well.

• 45:24Bill Simmons?

  Um, yeah, Laura would say the best because I have a couple.

• 45:28Chris Ryan?

  Laura and Preston's sex scene.

• 45:31Bill Simmons?

  Good one. Yeah, they felt frisky.

• 45:33Speaker 04

  Oh, that was a, that sex scene was actually hotter than anything that Natasha was into.

• 45:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 45:41Speaker 04

  Because she was taking charge. That means.

• 45:44Bill Simmons?

  I liked the little fist pump by herself in the hotel room that Madsen showed up.

• 45:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:48Bill Simmons?

  She's playing her little game. It actually worked. Um, I could have, uh, I could have watched Natasha shopping in downtown LA for a couple more scenes.

• 45:59Speaker 04

  In the bridal dress.

• 46:00Chris Ryan?

  Like the Snow White outfit. Yeah.

• 46:02Bill Simmons?

  Like imagine her in downtown LA right now, just popping through different stores.

• 46:08Bill Simmons?

  Also, like she should have bought a couple weird things.

• 46:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, well.

• 46:11Bill Simmons?

  Are those headphones? Bluetooth headphones?

• 46:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that she bought. Yeah, that would be funny. Or if she just had like a Walkman and was walking around.

• 46:17Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 46:20Bill Simmons?

  I like when aliens, foreigners and grown up kids and adult bodies watch hotel room TVs. I think it's worked over and over again. Borat, Big, this movie. It's a good gimmick of people. I'm scared. I'll take comfort in this TV. I'm experiencing.

• 46:37Chris Ryan?

  Everything I learned.

• 46:37Bill Simmons?

  Culture. Yeah, I like that whole thing.

• 46:39Speaker 04

  You see like sex, violence, all of that in one thing.

• 46:42Bill Simmons?

  How about a science fixture, science fiction slash horror movie where the black character survives?

• 46:50Speaker 04

  That's well.

• 46:51Chris Ryan?

  Notable.

• 46:51Bill Simmons?

  It's like this is almost a unicorn.

• 46:53Speaker 04

  It is, but at the same time.

• 46:55Bill Simmons?

  Normally he's dead the first hour.

• 46:57Speaker 04

  At the same time, they had to stay consistent because that nicest on the train gets her shit fucked up. So they had to, they had to feed them water. Like she gets fucked up.

• 47:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 47:08Speaker 04

  She did nothing but be nice.

• 47:10Bill Simmons?

  Tough death.

• 47:13Chris Ryan?

  Infected rats. That was a good, that was a good gimmick. Good ending for this. Yeah.

• 47:18Bill Simmons?

  Probably would have been a better sequel. I don't remember the sequel. I only saw it once. Uh, not in the theater.

• 47:23Chris Ryan?

  I don't think I saw Species.

• 47:24Bill Simmons?

  Really, really poorly reviewed. Like, like the kind of reviews where like, just if you're gonna go see this, like, just drive your car, no telephone pole.

• 47:31Chris Ryan?

  Because what lives, it's just like the little arm still is still moving around and then the rat, yeah.

• 47:39Bill Simmons?

  I think we've done this before with, and I forget what movie it was, but sometimes a movie that's not that big will have this incredibly detailed Wikipedia page.

• 47:48Chris Ryan?

  It's so long.

• 47:49Bill Simmons?

  And it's clear somebody involved with the movie.

• 47:52Chris Ryan?

  Is on there.

• 47:53Bill Simmons?

  Is wrote a lot of the stuff. So I do have a suspect. Screenwriter Dennis Feldman. There's just a lot of his process in the Wikipedia page, like a lot. When I say a lot, like paragraph after paragraph, or like then in the sixth draft.

• 48:08Chris Ryan?

  There's more.

• 48:09Bill Simmons?

  Screenwriter Dennis Feldman decided to do that. It's like, how do they know any of this?

• 48:12Chris Ryan?

  There's more in this Wikipedia page than there would be in like the Luka Doncic trade Wikipedia page.

• 48:18Bill Simmons?

  Or like the actual James Cameron Alien movie, like, or Aliens 2, like that, like, I, I just couldn't believe how detailed it was. And I just was picturing, I don't know if he did it or not, but this Dennis Feldman, like, I'm gonna add one more thing to the Wikipedia page. I gotta tell them about the seventh draft of this movie when I had the idea for this.

• 48:35Chris Ryan?

  There is actually suspiciously, like, it's really, they were like, it went through many rewrites, but everything you see is courtesy of Dennis Feldman.

• 48:44Bill Simmons?

  Right, right. Uh, there's one part where they brought in, yeah, where they brought in a, a second screenwriter. And they just specifically say, but none of that was used. In the end, they went with Dennis Feldman's work. It was like, who cares?

• 49:01Chris Ryan?

  Many people are saying, yeah.

• 49:06Bill Simmons?

  Also, for what's aged the best, this is in the director's commentary. Ciara alluded to this before. Mattson said Ben Kingsley was protective of his chair on set and didn't like anyone touching it. So Mattson would purposely do things to it, including dumping garbage on it and hanging it from a crane.

• 49:23Chris Ryan?

  It's really funny.

• 49:24Bill Simmons?

  Ben Kingsley just like, how many more fucking days do I have on this movie too? Damn it. Any other I would say is the best, other than when the government has to go outside the box?

• 49:34Speaker 04

  I like a hunt or chase movie. When you get a ragtag group of people to solve a problem. Hey, I'm a microbiologist, I'm an empath, I'm this. Each one of these persons is expert in their field. And it's the only team that could crack the case.

• 49:50Chris Ryan?

  I love that.

• 49:51Speaker 04

  I love that.

• 49:52Bill Simmons?

  I still feel like when he said he was an empath, I would have had like five more questions.

• 49:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but be like, so, but like, is that like a-

• 49:58Bill Simmons?

  You get paid for that?

• 49:58Chris Ryan?

  Freelancer thing? A volunteer?

• 50:01Bill Simmons?

  Can you work for a sports team?

• 50:03Speaker 04

  I have to say something real quick before we move on.

• 50:05Chris Ryan?

  Let's hear it.

• 50:05Speaker 04

  Dennis Feldman is one of my favorite motherfuckers in the world. The movies that Dennis Feldman has done.

• 50:10Chris Ryan?

  Let's hear it.

• 50:11Speaker 04

  Just one of the guys. All time Van Lathan classic.

• 50:15Bill Simmons?

  It's on, it's, it's on the rewatchable schedule.

• 50:17Speaker 04

  The golden child.

• 50:19Chris Ryan?

  Oh! Wow, that was a formative classic for me.

• 50:23Speaker 04

  Dennis Feldman wrote it. This movie, which I'd never know how many people have seen this movie. Have you guys seen a movie called Real Men with John Witter and Jim Belushi? Where, that is one of my favorite-

• 50:35Chris Ryan?

  I have a very cool Real Men story.

• 50:38Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah?

• 50:38Chris Ryan?

  When I was a kid, I went to film camp in, in Maine. It was pretty fun. And one of the things that we did was when we learned editing. They had this famous editor, Ralph Rosenbaum, who did like Eddie Hall and a bunch of other stuff. But he showed us Real Men. He showed us the version of Real Men before he like went back in and cut it. And it was like so bad, but then when he, he was like, and here's what I did. We were like, oh my God, the editor is the most important person on the set, like, or the most important person in the productions. It was very cool.

• 51:13Bill Simmons?

  Can we go back to film camp?

• 51:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 51:15Speaker 04

  I would love to.

• 51:16Bill Simmons?

  What was going on? Any, any girls?

• 51:17Chris Ryan?

  Uh, no.

• 51:19Bill Simmons?

  Like forty guys?

• 51:19Chris Ryan?

  There was, it was a largely male thing. I, I wound up starring in and directing a short called The Dirty Bag, which is about a kid on a BMX bike who finds like a bag of drug money. And then gets chased by hitmen across this town in Maine.

• 51:36Speaker 07

  We got footage of this?

• 51:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I still have it.

• 51:38Bill Simmons?

  Can we put it on Ringer Movie?

• 51:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's a pretty good for me.

• 51:42Chris Ryan?

  It's tough because a lot of it is scored to Jimi Hendrix, but we did not clear that.

• 51:49Chris Ryan?

  And Zeppelin. Jimmy's the state then inside.

• 51:52Speaker 04

  I'm telling you, man.

• 51:53Chris Ryan?

  Brock Iver's like writing a hundred million dollar checks to Led Zeppelin. I'm like, I got that.

• 51:56Speaker 04

  Eighty-six, eighty-seven, you get Christian Slater, you put him on the BMX.

• 52:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 52:00Speaker 04

  He was like a gleam in the cube type deal.

• 52:02Chris Ryan?

  Very inspired by Rad and Gleam in the Cube.

• 52:04Bill Simmons?

  Wow. This now sounds like an eight twenty-four coming of age story of CR at film camp thirty years ago.

• 52:11Chris Ryan?

  I know.

• 52:11Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 52:12Chris Ryan?

  It was awesome.

• 52:13Bill Simmons?

  There was no girl, like there was no wannabe actress.

• 52:15Chris Ryan?

  I did not have a romantic.

• 52:16Speaker 04

  Maybe.

• 52:17Chris Ryan?

  Situation.

• 52:17Speaker 04

  Maybe there are different experiences that could be had at CR's film camp.

• 52:20Bill Simmons?

  Not gonna judge.

• 52:23Bill Simmons?

  You have any What's Haged the Best fan or can we move on?

• 52:25Speaker 04

  That's just the, the, the, the, the Hunt type chase movie.

• 52:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 52:29Speaker 04

  Is Haged.

• 52:30Bill Simmons?

  Big Kuna Burger were for best use of food or drink. All the shit that little kid ate in the train.

• 52:34Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:35Bill Simmons?

  Great scene.

• 52:35Chris Ryan?

  Banana with the peel still on.

• 52:37Bill Simmons?

  Puddings. Yeah, the banana with the peel on is great.

• 52:40Speaker 04

  All of that. The Long Island iced teas.

• 52:42Bill Simmons?

  That's a good one.

• 52:42Chris Ryan?

  That's a good one.

• 52:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:44Bill Simmons?

  Great shot, Gordo. Most cinematic shot would be.

• 52:47Chris Ryan?

  Just need to say, this movie was shot by Andre Bartoviac, who did a bunch of Sidney Lumet stuff. He like shot like Prince of the City. He shot Speed. And it was just like that moment where like, some of the greatest cinematographers would be like, yeah, I guess I'm shooting species.

• 53:01Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 53:02Chris Ryan?

  So I think, I don't have a shot, but it looks pretty good.

• 53:05Bill Simmons?

  I was gonna say though, her coming out of the cocoon in the train.

• 53:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that's a good one.

• 53:09Bill Simmons?

  Because they had to invert the train to make it work so she could fall the way they did it.

• 53:14Chris Ryan?

  I think they also did a really good job.

• 53:15Bill Simmons?

  So she jumped out.

• 53:16Chris Ryan?

  Making the Biltmore look awesome.

• 53:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 53:18Chris Ryan?

  Downtown. So I've never actually been in.

• 53:20Bill Simmons?

  We forgot to say this was directed by Roger Donaldson, who did some fun ones over there, including No Way Out.

• 53:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 53:27Chris Ryan?

  How many Donaldson's?

• 53:28Bill Simmons?

  Craig loves, Craig loved No Way Out.

• 53:29Speaker 07

  Yeah, that movie rips.

• 53:30Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's a very Craig-coded movie, though.

• 53:33Chris Ryan?

  Did he do Air Force One?

• 53:34Speaker 07

  Cause I'm secretly Russian spy.

• 53:35Bill Simmons?

  I think he did.

• 53:36Speaker 04

  Could be.

• 53:36Bill Simmons?

  Craig didn't think Sean Young was hot in that movie, though. It was.

• 53:39Speaker 04

  Craig, you're off your fucking rocker, dawg.

• 53:41Speaker 07

  Not hot, not good in it.

• 53:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 53:42Speaker 04

  You, you, no, so no Sean Young, not beautiful.

• 53:44Speaker 07

  You know Sean Young, I knew about Sean Young from Ace Ventura.

• 53:48Speaker 04

  Pet Detective, oh, that colored jerk, that changes, Finkel, I horn.

• 53:52Bill Simmons?

  Your guy Roger Donaldson also did, uh, The Getaway.

• 53:55Chris Ryan?

  We've done, he also did Cocktail.

• 53:59Bill Simmons?

  He did. That's why he's one of the great directors.

• 54:01Chris Ryan?

  And I think we we might do 13 days at some point.

• 54:04Speaker 04

  Oh, I like that.

• 54:05Bill Simmons?

  Possible. And the recruit with your guy?

• 54:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 54:07Speaker 04

  Look.

• 54:08Chris Ryan?

  With Colin.

• 54:09Speaker 04

  Cool movies.

• 54:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 54:10Speaker 04

  Just like, cool movies.

• 54:12Bill Simmons?

  The Cadillac Man, which people liked, did the bounty.

• 54:15Speaker 04

  As far as shots, though, what about the defining shot of this movie, which I feel like was the tongue coming through the back of the guy's head?

• 54:22Speaker 04

  Cinematic, maybe not so, but like, very affecting in selling your film.

• 54:25Chris Ryan?

  That's probably the most memorable shot.

• 54:27Bill Simmons?

  Right. It won Best Kiss at the 1996 MTV Movie Awards.

• 54:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. And they recreated the kiss, which is not the head thing.

• 54:36Bill Simmons?

  Kid Cudi's set of happiness were for Best Needle Drop. I couldn't, the 90s club.

• 54:41Chris Ryan?

  I think in id, they're listening to the crystal method, which is a very 90s.

• 54:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think they could have dialed that up. They could have gone really early on.

• 54:50Chris Ryan?

  EDM.

• 54:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, like early, early Moby, somebody like that. We could have been like, oh.

• 54:55Speaker 04

  Oh, shit.

• 54:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 54:56Chris Ryan?

  Tricky.

• 54:56Bill Simmons?

  It's kind of between errors.

• 54:57Chris Ryan?

  On the alien, they weren't about to go give Moby any cash.

• 55:00Bill Simmons?

  Chess Rockwell, Brock Linters were best character name. Xavier Fitch is Ben Kingsley's name.

• 55:06Chris Ryan?

  I think Preston Lennox.

• 55:07Speaker 04

  Preston Lennox is a crazy.

• 55:08Bill Simmons?

  Second round draft pick for the Cleveland Cavaliers. They took Xavier Fitch. It's a combo guard. Preston Lennox is good, though. So we're adding the Ed Norton Reverse Dunk Award for Did This Movie Need A Random Sports Scene? I I have mine.

• 55:21Chris Ryan?

  I have mine as well.

• 55:22Bill Simmons?

  Go. What's yours?

• 55:23Chris Ryan?

  Why, when Syl is sleeping at the beach, why can't she stop by the Venice Courts and do a white man can't jump?

• 55:29Speaker 04

  Get some in?

• 55:30Chris Ryan?

  Just hustle some dudes.

• 55:31Bill Simmons?

  It's it's glaring. I mean, there's so many missed opportunities in this movie that I just wish there had been a conciliary for, but she wakes up. There should definitely be a basketball game going on. She should be watching it. One of the players should hit on her. And that's just like a quick kill. That could have taken like 90 seconds.

• 55:48Chris Ryan?

  Probably would have been beach volleyball, let's be honest.

• 55:49Speaker 04

  Maybe, but.

• 55:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but can you imagine her blocking a shot and destroying the ball? Like, or something? She's been like, oh.

• 55:56Bill Simmons?

  Or her wandering on a beach volleyball court naked and just.

• 55:59Speaker 04

  They're all out there playing. But the movie I have, the movie is missing the Lakers. The Lakers should have been in there somewhere, because it's a very LA movie.

• 56:07Chris Ryan?

  95 Lakers is what?

• 56:09Bill Simmons?

  She goes to a Laker game?

• 56:10Speaker 04

  Like, she goes to a Laker game where the Lakers.

• 56:12Bill Simmons?

  Clipper game is more realistic.

• 56:14Speaker 04

  Because she can get in for like $200 in a full court.

• 56:16Bill Simmons?

  She studies the cheerleaders and then just ends up replacing one of them.

• 56:19Chris Ryan?

  So this would have been, um, early McDyce on the Clippers?

• 56:23Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 56:24Chris Ryan?

  Brent Barry, she may, you know, she could have been like Brent Barry, she could have met at the club, maybe.

• 56:29Speaker 04

  Boy, if Britt Barry would have played.

• 56:30Bill Simmons?

  Stanley Roberts?

• 56:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:33Bill Simmons?

  Uh, Sierra, what do you have for a flex category?

• 56:37Chris Ryan?

  I have the George LRB two weeks with pay, Van and I can, can, can cook on this one, but Xavier Finch seems like he has a lot of responsibility with very little oversight and just takes too many chances.

• 56:51Speaker 04

  Ben Kingsley is horrible in all aspects.

• 56:54Chris Ryan?

  First of all, like if you've got the entire military disposal, there's a lot of more effective ways to kill an alien than gassing it. I guess that was supposed to be humane. I don't know, but like, it just seemed like she, she checkmates that and they're like, fuck, I guess we lost her. Like there's no stop safeguards against her getting out.

• 57:11Speaker 04

  By the way, you can't, we can't tell the trains would shut down.

• 57:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:15Speaker 04

  You're aware, you're aware of her biology. You have not come up with a satisfactory way to kill her. You have not come up with a satisfactory way to find her.

• 57:23Chris Ryan?

  You fucked it up so much that you have to kill her.

• 57:24Speaker 04

  Right.

• 57:25Chris Ryan?

  Then you, uh, when the alien shows up in the form of an adorable girl, you use the most Bond villain method possible to kill her. And then when that fucks up, you hire a bunch of nerds instead of getting like SEAL Team Six to go after.

• 57:38Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 57:39Speaker 04

  You would get the Delta Force.

• 57:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:43Speaker 04

  You would get the Delta Force, put them in plain clothes, right? Those guys look like average guys. They're special forces operators and then you'd go out there and fire.

• 57:51Chris Ryan?

  And how many people know that they're chasing an alien? Cause aren't more people like, why are we hunting this girl? Like she's, she's like the supervillain. Cause he said, he says in the beginning, like, I don't want everybody to find out that there's extra, extraterrestrial life. So we're trying to keep it contained.

• 58:07Bill Simmons?

  Four random people.

• 58:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. It's missing a scene where he tells his boss.

• 58:11Speaker 04

  Right.

• 58:11Bill Simmons?

  Well, that's what he tells his boss. So what's, what's plan B? It's like, well, I got this, uh, this empath I've been looking at.

• 58:18Speaker 04

  At the end of the movie, the microbiologist has the fucking vest on with the rifle.

• 58:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 58:25Speaker 04

  She had the Erica Lineak it from, from, from under siege and they, they ended up becoming a, a strike team at the end.

• 58:32Bill Simmons?

  Good rewatchable category. The Erica, Erica Lineak under siege award for how do you know how to work? Like.

• 58:40Chris Ryan?

  Gull adjacent awards.

• 58:43Bill Simmons?

  He's a hero.

• 58:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:46Bill Simmons?

  Butch's Girlfriend Award weak link of the film is the, uh, the last 12 minutes.

• 58:49Chris Ryan?

  Oh, I had, uh, the girl that, um, she kidnaps.

• 58:54Speaker 04

  Terrible.

• 58:54Chris Ryan?

  That's just like, it actually doesn't matter that she's in the car that much.

• 58:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 58:59Chris Ryan?

  They napalm that whole thing anyway, so I don't really know if they're like excavating it and it's just like 10 extra minutes.

• 59:04Bill Simmons?

  Toughest death in the movie for you? That girl getting tortured and her finger cut off and then driving to her.

• 59:10Chris Ryan?

  Oh, that's right. They get the DNA from that, but that's still stupid.

• 59:12Bill Simmons?

  What was the worst way to die in this movie?

• 59:15Speaker 04

  Oh, the worst way to die for me was Alfred Molina because he had a high and then a low and he was experienced.

• 59:21Bill Simmons?

  That's true. Great way to go out.

• 59:23Chris Ryan?

  I'd rather be Molina than the girl in the toilet.

• 59:26Speaker 04

  Maybe, but Molina, there's always, have you guys ever been in a situation where things are going really good? And then they start going really bad. That one moment of realizing that you fucked up because this stuff never happens to you must be so profound. So I felt really bad for him because he did nothing wrong.

• 59:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:45Speaker 04

  He, she comes up to him, he goes, this kind of thing doesn't happen to me. And he's not like the other guy.

• 59:49Chris Ryan?

  Well, he shouldn't have mansplained about how conception works, you know, that'll teach him.

• 59:54Bill Simmons?

  I think he probably could have sniffed it out a little sooner.

• 59:57Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 59:57Bill Simmons?

  That something was up.

• 59:58Speaker 04

  Sniff it out. Sniff what out?

• 59:59Bill Simmons?

  Just smoking hot, who just has like this obviously badly dyed hair.

• 1:00:03Chris Ryan?

  Who looks just like the woman they've been chasing for two weeks.

• 1:00:06Bill Simmons?

  Who immediately wants to mate with him.

• 1:00:07Speaker 04

  So you're saying it's his fault?

• 1:00:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think he was asking for it a little bit.

• 1:00:11Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 1:00:12Bill Simmons?

  I have the last 12 minutes. Once we get in the sewer, once, once Natasha's not Natasha anymore in this movie, it becomes a pretty conventional B movie. What's age the worst? Species 2.

• 1:00:24Bill Simmons?

  Mattson said, it's lousy. I only did it for the paycheck. Uh, you could feel it. We talked about Forrest Whittaker. We talked about Hollywood Hills guy.

• 1:00:33Speaker 04

  I got one more thing.

• 1:00:34Bill Simmons?

  I have one more, but you go.

• 1:00:35Speaker 04

  The Long Island iced tea. Nobody drinks those anymore.

• 1:00:39Bill Simmons?

  No, because I think people like blackout after.

• 1:00:41Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I think they got a bad rap.

• 1:00:42Speaker 04

  They got a bad rap. Also, I remember they had, they have a ton of calories, right? They're very calorie dense. And then you have two of them, you're fucked. Like nobody drinks them anymore.

• 1:00:52Bill Simmons?

  Long Island iced teas still at the clubs?

• 1:00:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, they're still around to be honest. I don't drink them a lot because they're too potent, but yeah, people still getting them.

• 1:00:59Chris Ryan?

  I gotta say also, the Long Island iced tea thing is, are we supposed to believe Dan doesn't drink because he's Muslim? Oh, maybe. It's kind of fucked up that Malina's just like, no, no, no, you, we're gonna, we're gonna slip you some alcohol, even though your religious beliefs prohibit you from drinking. Malina's asking for it. Yeah.

• 1:01:19Bill Simmons?

  Uh, I have, for what's age the worst, all the missed opportunities for Natasha to find a mate in Hollywood that they just left on the table, because she really only goes back to the same club once, like, easily could have gone to the Viper Room. Easily could have gone to the bar and swi- the place in Swingers where the old people Marty and Elaine play.

• 1:01:41Chris Ryan?

  Can you imagine?

• 1:01:43Bill Simmons?

  She'd go to Cantor.

• 1:01:44Chris Ryan?

  Sil, Mike from-

• 1:01:45Bill Simmons?

  I would have wanted some Hollywood landmarks. Go to Cantor. She just wants some corned beef.

• 1:01:49Chris Ryan?

  Look at that beautiful baby they just walked in. I'm gonna talk to that beautiful baby and all fucking get some- But it's like if Fabro from Swingers calls Sil five times, is she just like, yes, hi? Would you like to have a baby?

• 1:02:00Bill Simmons?

  I thought there was some Santa Monica, that whole area they just left on the table. There was some outdoor pool bar scene they could have had. I don't know why they kept going back to the club. Kingsley's like, this is what she knows. Like, how does he know?

• 1:02:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:11Bill Simmons?

  He's a fucking mutated alien. He's, he, he has experience?

• 1:02:16Chris Ryan?

  I, it's, it's a, it's a great question.

• 1:02:22Bill Simmons?

  The rough low hand and Ruben Partridge overacting a word. Is it Forest Whitaker?

• 1:02:27Chris Ryan?

  It, it has to be, but this is actually an underacted movie. I would say it's Forest Whitaker for the entire film, but Kingsley for the single tear.

• 1:02:35Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:36Chris Ryan?

  This is like, what, what kind of combination-

• 1:02:38Bill Simmons?

  Doesn't really work.

• 1:02:39Chris Ryan?

  Of drops, do you think-

• 1:02:39Bill Simmons?

  We might have to drop it.

• 1:02:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:41Bill Simmons?

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• 1:03:24Bill Simmons?

  High performance energy for burning the midnight oil in the garage and pedal to the metal human horsepower for the streets. Go ahead, crack open a can of NOS Energy and get after it. All right, the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award. Do you guys have one?

• 1:03:43Chris Ryan?

  Would this movie have been more interesting? If the alien was like a six? Not an Ugo, but like, but like, just like at the club? And, and, and guys are like, yeah, yeah. Uh, uh, well, I guess.

• 1:04:03Speaker 04

  It's harder for her to find a mate.

• 1:04:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:07Chris Ryan?

  And it becomes almost like a rom com where she's just like, God, none of these guys want to go home with me.

• 1:04:17Chris Ryan?

  Like an LA six.

• 1:04:19Bill Simmons?

  It would have fit in that rom com era where there was something wrong with every woman who just wanted to find love.

• 1:04:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:24Bill Simmons?

  And in her case, it's like, I don't know.

• 1:04:26Chris Ryan?

  It's not like Debbie Downer kind of, but like, it's just like, can you imagine if she was like five, five? People are like, yeah, sure. No, LA is crazy. It's, you know, it's hard to get to know anyone.

• 1:04:36Bill Simmons?

  She's waiting in line to the club for an hour and a half to run in.

• 1:04:39Chris Ryan?

  She's like, will you give me a baby? And everybody's like, no.

• 1:04:41Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:04:42Chris Ryan?

  But that's nice to meet you. Like.

• 1:04:50Bill Simmons?

  That killed me. What do you have, Van? Anything?

• 1:04:52Speaker 04

  Um, it just, it's gonna be really on the nose. The movie should have had more fucking.

• 1:04:59Bill Simmons?

  There, yeah, this should have been either Hard R or NC 17.

• 1:05:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:02Bill Simmons?

  My dad, it should have. It's a great call.

• 1:05:03Speaker 04

  There should have, the movie should have had more fucking, like, there should have been more fucking in the movie. Cause like, they, a lot of the stuff that they had in there was stuff that we didn't need to see. Like, as soon as she becomes grown up woman on the train, she'll pull somebody in the room, fuck them on the train.

• 1:05:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I don't know what her biological imperative is. Like, is it like, I need to mate immediately?

• 1:05:27Speaker 04

  Should have been that.

• 1:05:28Bill Simmons?

  She, well, her, the imperative is I need to take over the human race.

• 1:05:32Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:05:33Bill Simmons?

  With my half babies.

• 1:05:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, right.

• 1:05:36Bill Simmons?

  Um, my hottest take.

• 1:05:39Bill Simmons?

  It's gonna step on a later category. Are you scared?

• 1:05:42Chris Ryan?

  No, I'm just so.

• 1:05:43Bill Simmons?

  I just think there should have been a TV show. And I think you can make the case that if this is an HBO show in 1995, it becomes the first great cable one hour show that we have.

• 1:05:54Chris Ryan?

  Do you want to sustain the level of nudity? That Henstridge is.

• 1:05:58Bill Simmons?

  I think it's, you almost have to think about it like True Blood. Like, it's just like, this is a horny, crazy.

• 1:06:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:04Bill Simmons?

  And it's like, almost like Cross the 24.

• 1:06:07Chris Ryan?

  Oddball campy.

• 1:06:08Bill Simmons?

  It's one week. They can't find her. She's just in LA doing all this different shit. And it's like, when she meets the Hollywood Hills guy, that's almost like half of an episode.

• 1:06:18Chris Ryan?

  It's like.

• 1:06:18Bill Simmons?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:06:19Chris Ryan?

  X-Files comes out two years before this. But you could talk me into Madsen and Helgenberger being like Mulder and Scully. And they're kind of chasing Sil. But in the meantime, there's other mysteries for them to solve.

• 1:06:32Speaker 04

  There's mute, different types of mute, because this government agency is doing all kinds of crazy.

• 1:06:36Chris Ryan?

  But also like Sil must have kids by then, so it's like.

• 1:06:39Bill Simmons?

  I just think this is a rare case of there's so much in this movie, and they just rip through it in an hour and a half. And it's like, there's like nine things that would have worked for a TV show with this.

• 1:06:47Chris Ryan?

  Dennis Feldman is listening going, I know!

• 1:06:50Bill Simmons?

  Doing his Wikipedia, adding to it. No, but it's, it's like, I just think in 95, this would have been like a transformative show. There wasn't a one hour like this. Like Sopranos wasn't until 99.

• 1:07:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:02Bill Simmons?

  You know, Oz was 97. So you'd be like, basically Species and Oz would have been on HBO. Would add nudity, which fit the HBO thing.

• 1:07:10Speaker 04

  Do you think there was a, an audience for it on HBO at that time?

• 1:07:13Bill Simmons?

  Hundred thousand percent.

• 1:07:14Speaker 04

  They were so, they were in there.

• 1:07:16Chris Ryan?

  At the very least, this would have been like a cool Cinemax show.

• 1:07:19Speaker 04

  Oh, Cinemax would have been.

• 1:07:20Bill Simmons?

  They weren't doing it. The only ones, HBO and Showtime were the only two doing, that would have done a drama like this. I think maybe the Alien stuff would have been too expensive, but you could have made it so we didn't really see the Alien stuff.

• 1:07:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, maybe once a year, you, you didn't need the.

• 1:07:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, maybe the season finale.

• 1:07:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:35Bill Simmons?

  I just think it would have ripped. And they could have, like Madsen, you could have killed her off after the first season. Then Madsen and Marge become like, attacked, I don't know. Lot of stuff there.

• 1:07:48Bill Simmons?

  Casting whatevs. Pierce Brosnan was offered a part, but couldn't do it because he um had GoldenEye, but then ended up working with Roger Donaldson on Dante's Peak. So what part do we think?

• 1:07:59Chris Ryan?

  I think it was Kingsley.

• 1:08:00Bill Simmons?

  You think so?

• 1:08:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:00Bill Simmons?

  You think Kingsley found out and was like, fuck this? Mailing and everything now? I'll give you the single tear and that's it, you motherfuckers.

• 1:08:12Bill Simmons?

  Who knows?

• 1:08:14Bill Simmons?

  Who knows if this is true, but Arnold Schwarzenegger was briefly interested in the script, but the budget wouldn't allow him.

• 1:08:21Chris Ryan?

  I'd assume that would be Preston Martin.

• 1:08:23Bill Simmons?

  Lennox, yeah.

• 1:08:24Speaker 04

  Would have been a totally different movie if he was involved.

• 1:08:26Bill Simmons?

  He said, what if, uh, what if, what if press fucks the alien before he kills her?

• 1:08:30Chris Ryan?

  What if they wanted Schwarzenegger for the empath?

• 1:08:34Chris Ryan?

  Somebody didn't, somebody did not stand top fitness here.

• 1:08:40Bill Simmons?

  Best that guy award.

• 1:08:41Speaker 04

  It's not Whip.

• 1:08:42Bill Simmons?

  It's Whip.

• 1:08:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:44Bill Simmons?

  He won before on St. Elmo's Fire.

• 1:08:45Chris Ryan?

  Fucking Hollywood from Top Gun, man, yeah.

• 1:08:48Bill Simmons?

  Those are his best three. Great, great IMDB. Dion Waiters award?

• 1:08:53Chris Ryan?

  Michelle.

• 1:08:55Bill Simmons?

  Sure, she's good.

• 1:08:57Speaker 04

  You know what I get?

• 1:08:57Bill Simmons?

  Hollywood Hills date rape guy is a pretty good villain there in five minutes.

• 1:09:01Speaker 04

  Did a co, co winner, all the dead guys.

• 1:09:04Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 1:09:05Speaker 04

  Like, all, besides Melina, all the dead guys, all the victims. They all have to, they all have to have their little Dion Waiters moment and then get killed.

• 1:09:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:15Bill Simmons?

  I like the Michelle Williams, that's odd. Recasting couch director city. Ironically, Van brought him up before, but I had Vince Vaughn playing Hollywood Hills guy instead of Nick Wright.

• 1:09:27Bill Simmons?

  He's like, look at this beautiful baby, what are you doing? Let me take you back to my crib, let's party. And he's just like full Vince Vaughn.

• 1:09:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:35Bill Simmons?

  And then she kills him.

• 1:09:36Chris Ryan?

  What if, and he's like, brings her back and he's like, let's just play NHL 95 all night?

• 1:09:41Bill Simmons?

  My Brady Sue's here.

• 1:09:43Speaker 04

  Nick Wright, Nick Wright, you're gonna end up having to do a podcast with Nick Wright. You're gonna get mad.

• 1:09:47Bill Simmons?

  What is he gonna get mad about? He looks like, first of all, it was CR. CR's gonna have to bite him on the watch.

• 1:09:54Chris Ryan?

  Nick, we gotta squash it, yeah.

• 1:09:57Bill Simmons?

  Um, oh Craig is a flex category.

• 1:10:00Speaker 07

  I um, they're honestly both tweaks of things that Chris and Van have already said. So one was the, did this movie need a better sex scene? I agree with Van. I thought it was a huge missed opportunity to not get Madsen and her in a room. I thought that's what the whole movie was leading up to.

• 1:10:15Chris Ryan?

  That's like, there's a flash.

• 1:10:17Speaker 07

  She has like fantasies of him.

• 1:10:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I wonder if she's like that what?

• 1:10:21Speaker 04

  I feel like a proud dad. Craig, man, when I first started doing this shit, Craig was like, it's too many titties in the eighties. And look at him now, bona fide freak. Tell us about the scene, Craig.

• 1:10:33Speaker 07

  Look, this movie's about this. You know what I mean? It's not, there's not an unnecessary nudity in the movie. It's what the movie is about. But I'm like, there should have been like a love triangle where he's in the room with Sil with the brown hair. And then Dr. Baker comes in and is like, who's this? And there should have been something with that. I, I, it all led up to that moment.

• 1:10:52Bill Simmons?

  Or he has sex with Marge. Fall, they fall asleep. Marge goes to like, go to the bathroom or something and Sil comes in. He thinks it's Marge. They did the single way female.

• 1:11:04Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:11:05Bill Simmons?

  Oh. Yeah.

• 1:11:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:08Speaker 04

  Works.

• 1:11:09Chris Ryan?

  Do you, do you think that like, because she senses the weakness in Robbie? And then the dude in the pot tub is like, oh no, that's too fast. But she's having visions of Madsen? Is Madsen kind of like the alpha? Like he's like the best, the best of the best.

• 1:11:26Bill Simmons?

  Take over the universe.

• 1:11:26Chris Ryan?

  Sperm donors?

• 1:11:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:28Speaker 07

  And she had to settle for Melina because she was in a hurry.

• 1:11:31Chris Ryan?

  Gotcha.

• 1:11:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, cause she was about to get old.

• 1:11:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:33Bill Simmons?

  Cause she, like the next day, she's, what, 48? She's going fast.

• 1:11:37Chris Ryan?

  One of my unanswerable questions is like, what's Sil's? What's her aging like? Like, does she just turn into Betty White in a week or what?

• 1:11:46Bill Simmons?

  Substance too. Um, half assed and research, uh, half assed and research. So was the design by H R Giger?

• 1:11:54Chris Ryan?

  Yep.

• 1:11:55Bill Simmons?

  Who designed the creatures in the Alien film?

• 1:11:57Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:11:57Bill Simmons?

  Do you know there was an Aliens 2?

• 1:12:02Speaker 04

  Ah, it's a joke, I missed it, yeah, okay.

• 1:12:05Speaker 07

  It's not, Chris wants to do Aliens, that's it, that's the whole joke.

• 1:12:08Speaker 04

  And Bill doesn't want to do it.

• 1:12:09Bill Simmons?

  No, we're gonna do it.

• 1:12:12Chris Ryan?

  He's gonna wait for me to go on vacation.

• 1:12:13Bill Simmons?

  Trying to, uh... So, Geiger was unhappy, he thought the movie ripped off too many other Alien movies, including...

• 1:12:20Chris Ryan?

  But he did the Alien.

• 1:12:21Bill Simmons?

  The Chessbuster, they did that, like, they did, Species does things that have been in other movies, and apparently he got holier than now about it.

• 1:12:28Speaker 04

  But he worked on it.

• 1:12:29Bill Simmons?

  He did, but he got mad about some of the stuff.

• 1:12:31Chris Ryan?

  They gave him, like, all the money, it's like, they're like, we're not even paying Madsen so that you do these Aliens.

• 1:12:35Bill Simmons?

  So then, he threw his body in front of whatever the ending initially was, and they ended up doing the headshot kill instead, because that hadn't been in an Alien movie. My advice would have been, like, a mild settle down for him.

• 1:12:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:48Bill Simmons?

  These are Alien movies.

• 1:12:51Bill Simmons?

  The Id Club was built in the Pantages Theater.

• 1:12:55Chris Ryan?

  Oh, no shit.

• 1:12:56Speaker 07

  Very special.

• 1:12:56Chris Ryan?

  How about that?

• 1:13:02Bill Simmons?

  There's not really...

• 1:13:03Chris Ryan?

  We talked about a bunch of it.

• 1:13:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, we hit basically everything, except Alfred Molina recalled Natasha Henstridge was, uh, nervous on the day of their sex scene, because she'd never acted one before, and he said, "I've never been in one either", but he ate with a woman, because he had apparently been in one with a man in a movie and it broke the ice.

• 1:13:24Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:13:24Bill Simmons?

  He was very excited about that. I think I've called her Henstridge for the past hour.

• 1:13:30Bill Simmons?

  Just call her Natasha, she should have dumped the last name, I think she could have done it.

• 1:13:33Chris Ryan?

  Oh, like Madonna?

• 1:13:34Bill Simmons?

  Start introducing Natasha. Apex Mountain, clearly Natasha.

• 1:13:38Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 1:13:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:13:42Bill Simmons?

  Madsen?

• 1:13:43Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I would say probably Reservoir Dogs, or, well...

• 1:13:47Bill Simmons?

  Well, Reservoir Dogs, like, didn't, wasn't a big thing in the movies. It became a thing by 95, after people had been watching it on VHS.

• 1:13:55Speaker 04

  There's just no possible way that this is his Apex Mountain.

• 1:13:57Bill Simmons?

  This movie made over a hundred million dollars.

• 1:13:59Chris Ryan?

  Honestly, and he's the lead.

• 1:14:00Bill Simmons?

  I think it was.

• 1:14:00Chris Ryan?

  I think you're right.

• 1:14:01Bill Simmons?

  I think by 95, Reservoir Dogs had been, like, on VHS, had become a thing. I didn't see Reservoir Dogs for at least a year.

• 1:14:08Speaker 04

  I know, there's just no way.

• 1:14:10Chris Ryan?

  This was a big movie, Dan.

• 1:14:11Speaker 04

  I get it, there's just, is, if you, if you were to say to somebody, "Michael Madsen", they'd name, like, five movies before they named this movie.

• 1:14:20Bill Simmons?

  This is that range, though.

• 1:14:23Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:14:23Bill Simmons?

  Like, he passed up Pulp Fiction, like, he probably has the most juice right around here.

• 1:14:27Speaker 04

  At this time, I can maybe buy that.

• 1:14:28Bill Simmons?

  Marge at CSI.

• 1:14:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:30Chris Ryan?

  Definitely.

• 1:14:31Bill Simmons?

  Killing it.

• 1:14:33Bill Simmons?

  Ben Kingsley, no.

• 1:14:36Bill Simmons?

  Horny alien movies? I don't know what the competition is. And I also don't know why we're not making more of them.

• 1:14:43Speaker 04

  It should.

• 1:14:44Bill Simmons?

  Should be every five years.

• 1:14:45Speaker 04

  Alien is shocking. Want to fuck.

• 1:14:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:48Chris Ryan?

  We really lost that as a society.

• 1:14:50Bill Simmons?

  We have. Bring it back. Uh, Whittaker, no.

• 1:14:56Bill Simmons?

  Mid nineties BMW convertibles, this is a really good one. There's some, there's a sideswipe thing on it near the end, it's like they cut a scene where she must have had an accident.

• 1:15:05Chris Ryan?

  On the way to the beach, she, and then she wakes up and she's like, she's got her cars all fucked up.

• 1:15:10Speaker 04

  What is homie dropping in Speed?

• 1:15:14Speaker 04

  What is it?

• 1:15:14Bill Simmons?

  Homie. I think it was BMW convertible.

• 1:15:16Chris Ryan?

  That was BMW convertible, and then what's the one that's, um, on the Frank Ocean cover?

• 1:15:21Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:23Chris Ryan?

  That's a nice one. Does that be MW?

• 1:15:25Speaker 04

  I'm not sure, I have to think about it.

• 1:15:29Bill Simmons?

  I don't have any of their Apex mounts.

• 1:15:30Chris Ryan?

  Me neither.

• 1:15:31Bill Simmons?

  Cruise or Hanks, what do you got?

• 1:15:34Speaker 04

  Just tough.

• 1:15:35Chris Ryan?

  This is really hard.

• 1:15:36Bill Simmons?

  You can go any age range of Cruise or Hanks.

• 1:15:38Chris Ryan?

  I was told I couldn't do that last week.

• 1:15:40Bill Simmons?

  No, you can.

• 1:15:41Chris Ryan?

  Okay, uh, I would probably give.

• 1:15:45Bill Simmons?

  You tried to cheat last week.

• 1:15:46Chris Ryan?

  No, I didn't.

• 1:15:47Bill Simmons?

  You tried to give him one of like the lesser roles.

• 1:15:48Speaker 04

  Hell, whoa.

• 1:15:50Chris Ryan?

  Literally, one of the guys she picks up is, is Cocktail Cruise.

• 1:15:55Bill Simmons?

  Or, or Magnolia Cruise?

• 1:15:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Oh, Magnolia.

• 1:15:59Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:16:00Bill Simmons?

  He's Hollywood Hills guy?

• 1:16:01Speaker 04

  The long hair?

• 1:16:02Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:03Chris Ryan?

  That's good.

• 1:16:04Bill Simmons?

  I was gonna say Cruise now in the Ben Kingsley role.

• 1:16:08Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 1:16:09Bill Simmons?

  Doing a couple like old man Tom Cruise things. But he'd probably want to be the hero.

• 1:16:13Chris Ryan?

  But it's Cruise, not Hanks. I don't see Hanks being able to keep a straight face in this movie.

• 1:16:16Speaker 04

  I got Cruise as the Michael Madsen guy, get some running. You gotta run after the A.

• 1:16:23Bill Simmons?

  Does get him running.

• 1:16:24Speaker 04

  You got, he's very dynamic, can get more things, maybe a couple of great stunts.

• 1:16:28Bill Simmons?

  Natasha's probably like two inches taller than him, that'd be a problem.

• 1:16:31Speaker 04

  Uh, she's probably two inches taller, but at that point, she's also, if Cruise is in the movie, she's gonna have to be between 20 and 25 years old anyway.

• 1:16:40Bill Simmons?

  Scorsese or Spielberg?

• 1:16:42Chris Ryan?

  Spielberg.

• 1:16:44Speaker 04

  Spielberg.

• 1:16:44Bill Simmons?

  I had Scorsese.

• 1:16:46Chris Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 1:16:46Bill Simmons?

  I wanted his gritty, sex alien movie. With steeped in Catholic guilt.

• 1:16:51Speaker 04

  What's the most sci fi he's ever done? Like Shutter Island?

• 1:16:54Chris Ryan?

  Uh, yeah, I think you're right.

• 1:16:56Bill Simmons?

  Instead of an empath that's a Catholic priest.

• 1:16:58Chris Ryan?

  Last Temptation of Christ.

• 1:16:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:00Speaker 04

  Sci fi.

• 1:17:02Bill Simmons?

  Philip Seymour Hoffman role? Probably the Molina part?

• 1:17:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that or, uh, uh, the guy who, the Palisades guy. Whip you good part.

• 1:17:13Speaker 04

  But the Molina part is pretty perfect for him.

• 1:17:15Chris Ryan?

  Hey, let's take a picture of Milk.

• 1:17:17Bill Simmons?

  Palisades guy, he had his Polaroid camera, he had a charcuterie board. Nice quiet neighborhood.

• 1:17:22Speaker 04

  Nice guy.

• 1:17:23Chris Ryan?

  High credit limit.

• 1:17:24Speaker 04

  Also.

• 1:17:25Bill Simmons?

  She's got promoted at work.

• 1:17:26Speaker 04

  Hey, this is fast for me. Hey, he just wants to wine and dine a little bit, and what does he get?

• 1:17:30Chris Ryan?

  Do you think that's the Dennis Feldman avatar? You think Dennis saw himself as the Palisades guy?

• 1:17:34Bill Simmons?

  He should put that in the Wikipedia.

• 1:17:38Bill Simmons?

  I had that, uh, I'll just do this now for picking nits. Anyone in 1995 turning down sex or being like, this is too fast?

• 1:17:47Speaker 04

  Especially that guy.

• 1:17:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:49Bill Simmons?

  Really, you want, really? We ready?

• 1:17:51Speaker 04

  What's the purpose of having a mansion in the Palisades with a pool? If sex?

• 1:17:57Bill Simmons?

  And a hot tub.

• 1:17:57Speaker 07

  So screwed up though, because she said, everything's kind of going fine.

• 1:18:00Chris Ryan?

  And then she makes it too intense.

• 1:18:02Speaker 07

  I want a baby. And he's like, ah. I think someone's at the door.

• 1:18:06Speaker 00

  Don't go. Please. I want a baby.

• 1:18:10Speaker 07

  What? Excuse me?

• 1:18:18Speaker 07

  I feel like that's reasonable.

• 1:18:20Bill Simmons?

  It was almost like she hadn't had social interactions for 24 hours.

• 1:18:25Speaker 04

  I'm going.

• 1:18:29Speaker 04

  Okay? I'm going.

• 1:18:31Bill Simmons?

  Alright.

• 1:18:32Chris Ryan?

  It's full send.

• 1:18:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Oh, we rarely get to do this category.

• 1:18:38Bill Simmons?

  How would Van Lathan get out of this one?

• 1:18:41Speaker 07

  He wouldn't.

• 1:18:43Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, clearly. Single Van brings Sil back to the crib, and she's moving really fast, and you realize she might be an alien. How do you get out of it?

• 1:18:52Speaker 04

  Okay, so I realized that she might be an alien.

• 1:18:55Bill Simmons?

  Or you realize something is way off, and you need to, you need to abort the night. How do you, how do you get her out of the house?

• 1:19:03Speaker 04

  Oh, how do I get her out of the house?

• 1:19:04Bill Simmons?

  How do you get out of the house? How do you not die?

• 1:19:05Speaker 04

  Well, that's never gonna happen. I'm gonna do something different.

• 1:19:10Bill Simmons?

  Okay, that's how you get out of it.

• 1:19:11Speaker 04

  Right, so I realized that she's an alien, and I say, "Look, you don't have to kill me after we have sex, because we're going to have sex."

• 1:19:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:20Speaker 04

  I'm gonna take this.

• 1:19:20Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna give you what you want.

• 1:19:21Chris Ryan?

  Right, you don't have to pray mantis.

• 1:19:23Bill Simmons?

  We're on the same team.

• 1:19:23Speaker 04

  You don't have to pray mantis this. What's better than one alien baby? Five.

• 1:19:33Chris Ryan?

  And, and I'll be there for the housework.

• 1:19:34Bill Simmons?

  And I'll be there. You can pump these things back. We'll start again. Pump that baby out. Ready right now.

• 1:19:40Speaker 04

  Right, let's be honest. You wanna start a whole new world? This one hasn't been particularly good for my people. I'm with you.

• 1:19:47Speaker 04

  Like, let's go for it. Me and you against the world, baby.

• 1:19:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, so team up.

• 1:19:52Speaker 04

  Team up.

• 1:19:52Bill Simmons?

  That's how you get out.

• 1:19:53Speaker 04

  That's how you get out of it.

• 1:19:54Bill Simmons?

  I like it. Picking nits. My favorite one in this whole movie, Mattson's character, this tough guy. The first time we see him, he's handing a cat to his cat sitter.

• 1:20:05Chris Ryan?

  Awesome moment. I have a feeling that was a Mattson. They're like, "You know what would throw people off is if I had a cat."

• 1:20:12Bill Simmons?

  It's so stupid.

• 1:20:13Chris Ryan?

  Donaldson's like, "Whatever, man. I just need the shot."

• 1:20:16Bill Simmons?

  How is it not like, uh, like a rottweiler or some, like some sort of cool Michael Mattson dog? He's got a cat.

• 1:20:22Chris Ryan?

  He's probably on the road a lot. Dogs need a lot more, you know.

• 1:20:24Bill Simmons?

  Ridiculous. The train porter clothes. Just horrific murder. People walk in, it's like, "Oh my God, it stinks." There's a cocoon on the wall, there's blood everywhere. And Natasha's wearing her clothes out.

• 1:20:38Chris Ryan?

  Clean as a drum.

• 1:20:38Speaker 04

  Clean, and they fit.

• 1:20:40Bill Simmons?

  Not a stain.

• 1:20:40Chris Ryan?

  And they fit.

• 1:20:41Speaker 04

  And they fit. And I don't wanna, you know, but the sister on the train and...

• 1:20:46Chris Ryan?

  They didn't have the same body type.

• 1:20:47Speaker 04

  They didn't have the same body type, yeah.

• 1:20:50Bill Simmons?

  How did they follow her from the club to the Hollywood Hills house is never explained?

• 1:20:54Chris Ryan?

  Well, cuz the, the, the doorman is like, oh yeah, Robbie.

• 1:20:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:58Chris Ryan?

  Robbie took home a pretty good chick tonight.

• 1:21:00Bill Simmons?

  Doorman just knows where Robbie lives?

• 1:21:02Chris Ryan?

  Well, they had to convince him. They were like, you know, the usual, cuz Dan is like, it would be a nice guy.

• 1:21:07Speaker 04

  Right, and you go Robbie's a nice guy, which he turns out not to be.

• 1:21:10Chris Ryan?

  No, he's not.

• 1:21:10Bill Simmons?

  But I don't think the doorman knows Robbie's home address.

• 1:21:12Chris Ryan?

  But maybe Robbie was like, just low blood sugar.

• 1:21:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:21:16Chris Ryan?

  Not to make excuses for his behavior.

• 1:21:17Speaker 04

  It's true. Yeah, maybe he was, right. I get it.

• 1:21:20Bill Simmons?

  Could they really figure out semen in the hot tub water in 10 minutes? Which is what happens in this movie.

• 1:21:25Chris Ryan?

  I mean, if they could.

• 1:21:26Bill Simmons?

  They just checked. There's no semen in the hot tub. It's like, you guys just got here. Can we do that that fast?

• 1:21:32Chris Ryan?

  What if they were like, we just checked this water. It's all semen. So this guy's been doing work up here at the Palisades.

• 1:21:39Speaker 04

  This guy's throwing ropes.

• 1:21:48Bill Simmons?

  Oh my god. It's all semen. Any other nitpicks?

• 1:21:54Chris Ryan?

  That is an incredibly nice motel manager for the Sahara. I don't get the impression that that is like guys who are really interested in customer service or, you know.

• 1:22:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:05Chris Ryan?

  Safety of tenants.

• 1:22:05Bill Simmons?

  You forgot your card, lady.

• 1:22:06Chris Ryan?

  Hey, you forgot your card and, you know, you could go dancing. It, it's just like, and he's this really nice guy where it should be like, I'm gonna human traffic her.

• 1:22:14Speaker 04

  That is my nitpick. People weren't horny enough for her.

• 1:22:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:18Speaker 04

  She's in LA. Like, no, there's not one scene where someone goes, Jesus Christ, you should be modeling with us.

• 1:22:24Chris Ryan?

  He keeps bumping into the nicest people.

• 1:22:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, so people weren't horny enough for her. And just everything else I've talked about. They put a microbiologist in combat later on in this movie.

• 1:22:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:33Speaker 04

  Like, you know, come on, man.

• 1:22:35Speaker 07

  I got one nit.

• 1:22:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:36Speaker 07

  After the hot tub murder, she's still on the loose and Ben Kingsley's like, let's go home, get some sleep.

• 1:22:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:43Speaker 07

  He's like, let's go home and crush tape. It's okay.

• 1:22:48Bill Simmons?

  Matt's like, there's a hockey game on, I gotta catch. Sequel, prequel, Prestige TV, all black cast or untouchable? I've already made my Prestige TV case.

• 1:22:56Chris Ryan?

  I mean, they've made so many bad sequels of this. Your Prestige TV pitch was great. Prestige would be great right now.

• 1:23:01Bill Simmons?

  Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainboote, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley?

• 1:23:09Chris Ryan?

  I'm still in the lab trying to figure out how to get Shaq involved with more movies. But I do think DB just being like, bonjour Mademoiselle Henstridge. We see you. You came out of that cocoon naked as the day is long.

• 1:23:29Chris Ryan?

  Oh, DB. Yeah. We have to, we have to remix some of these.

• 1:23:33Bill Simmons?

  Can I?

• 1:23:34Chris Ryan?

  I definitely think Byron Mayo would have been an interesting addition.

• 1:23:39Bill Simmons?

  What's going on here, my friend?

• 1:23:40Chris Ryan?

  Oh, if you need the seed, just ask. No reason.

• 1:23:45Bill Simmons?

  Got that wedding dress on, you're ready to roll. I have a, I think First Take, Jay Williams needs to be brought into consideration here.

• 1:23:53Chris Ryan?

  Bill, come on, man.

• 1:23:54Bill Simmons?

  No, I'm just like,

• 1:23:57Bill Simmons?

  here's this hot alien who needs to mate. Two days. Can't mate with anybody. Are we sure she was good? And he's just sagging.

• 1:24:07Chris Ryan?

  I can't wait for this summit where it's like Jay Williams, Nick Wright, DB. Everybody sitting down. And it's just like, goddamn, Bill.

• 1:24:15Bill Simmons?

  Just want to ask her who gets it. It's probably special effects.

• 1:24:18Chris Ryan?

  I had Madsen just for the hell of it. Yeah.

• 1:24:21Bill Simmons?

  Probably an answer for questions. What's your FCR?

• 1:24:27Chris Ryan?

  Do we think Sean Marks would have drafted the species if they were eligible? I can't think. I wrote that down really late at night.

• 1:24:35Chris Ryan?

  No, we really, we really like some of her flexibility. I don't know. Are the overarching aliens that she comes from, are they pleased with her?

• 1:24:46Speaker 04

  Is she doing a good job for them?

• 1:24:47Bill Simmons?

  Well, they don't know what's going on.

• 1:24:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, she was like basically cooked up in a bathtub.

• 1:24:51Speaker 04

  I know, but like, so these aliens had enough technology and all of this to do this, but they're not watching what's going on?

• 1:24:58Chris Ryan?

  I think the implication is that she's not unlike Dan, an empath, and that she is reflecting the society that she's been thrown into, which is like a predatory, violent, you know, fucked up place.

• 1:25:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, but they had this master plan to infect us with their race, did they not?

• 1:25:16Chris Ryan?

  They did.

• 1:25:17Speaker 04

  Is there, are they watching?

• 1:25:19Bill Simmons?

  I think they're just kind of hoping it plays out that way.

• 1:25:21Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 1:25:22Bill Simmons?

  They were like, can't believe Kingsley is gonna do this.

• 1:25:26Chris Ryan?

  So he's not gonna tell anyone, huh? Okay.

• 1:25:28Bill Simmons?

  The Derek Queen trade.

• 1:25:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:29Bill Simmons?

  That's an unprotected pick? Uh, I have one unanswerable.

• 1:25:35Bill Simmons?

  So if you were the conciliary for Natasha when she gets off the train, where would you tell her to go? Like, it's time to mate, you're very attractive blonde lady. I, I think the move would have been South Bay, just walking up and down the strand, trying to maybe meet some beach volleyball. Like, she wants like strong, virile guys, right? To continue their, continue like her little alien human.

• 1:25:58Chris Ryan?

  USC frat party.

• 1:25:59Bill Simmons?

  Highbird over.

• 1:26:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:26:00Chris Ryan?

  USC frat party.

• 1:26:03Bill Simmons?

  You want to find like guys in their late teens.

• 1:26:05Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:26:06Bill Simmons?

  Under, early twenties.

• 1:26:07Chris Ryan?

  You want like a party.

• 1:26:08Speaker 04

  Late teens.

• 1:26:09Bill Simmons?

  She wants like virile guys. I'm saying like nineteen to twenty-five. Well, she's twenty-one.

• 1:26:14Speaker 04

  What is Bill doing?

• 1:26:15Bill Simmons?

  She's twenty-one in this. I think she's twenty-one.

• 1:26:19Chris Ryan?

  I thought you meant for a second, just like, where would you go as a tourist? Um, where could she find?

• 1:26:24Bill Simmons?

  There's a piece of that too, like, it's probably, like, when she's in Santa Monica, it's like, alright.

• 1:26:28Chris Ryan?

  She's like a guy who's got like a nice winery in the Central Valley, you know what I mean? Like a guy.

• 1:26:31Bill Simmons?

  So you would, you would turn her to Los Alibos? Do some wine tasting? I would have accepted any location with her.

• 1:26:40Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:26:40Bill Simmons?

  Though I just think anywhere she goes would have been hilarious.

• 1:26:43Chris Ryan?

  I just, now, every time I think of it, I'm like, this should have been a TV show. Still at Disney World would have been amazing.

• 1:26:48Bill Simmons?

  That would have been amazing.

• 1:26:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:50Bill Simmons?

  Still going to Laker game.

• 1:26:52Speaker 04

  So like, I wanna, I wanna go to um. Still at the Lakers game is she's gonna. I wanna go to Eagle Rock. Heard there's some really smart people up there.

• 1:27:00Chris Ryan?

  Still with Gretzky.

• 1:27:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's going to Vidit's. Yeah. Um, she goes to the Laker game, she's gonna, she's gonna find her mate. She'll find some people. And then. First couple of rows. She finds Leo DiCaprio.

• 1:27:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:12Speaker 04

  What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? I couldn't come up with one.

• 1:27:15Chris Ryan?

  I had a, a Forest Whitaker's koofi.

• 1:27:18Speaker 04

  That's a good one. Oh, look at you, reaching out. Coach Finstock Award.

• 1:27:24Speaker 04

  Coach Finstock Award, best life lesson, don't underestimate hot horny aliens.

• 1:27:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I had if a six foot blonde woman wants your baby at the club, it's probably too good to be true.

• 1:27:32Speaker 04

  Right. Yeah. Yeah, women are not to be used.

• 1:27:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that's, that's cool, man.

• 1:27:39Speaker 04

  See, I can do both things. I can do both. Best double feature choice, Under the Skin?

• 1:27:43Chris Ryan?

  I had Mimic, the.

• 1:27:44Speaker 04

  That's a good one.

• 1:27:45Chris Ryan?

  The sorvino movie that came out a couple of years later. It's basically about killer cockroaches and then more shit.

• 1:27:51Speaker 04

  So I went obscure. There's a movie called Amanda and the Alien. You guys have probably never seen it. It's with Nicole Egger. It's a very low budget movie, but it's about this lady who uh, she meets an alien and the alien is on earth, like learning its body, having sex with different people and all of that. Amanda and the Alien. I know this one. 1995. Says it's a TV movie. Made for cable. I think it was for Cinemax or one of those ones, because there's some scenes in there. Oh.

• 1:28:22Chris Ryan?

  What did you, did you really say Under the Skin?

• 1:28:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was just, that was like. Under the Skin as in Scarlett Johansson.

• 1:28:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but that's like a beautiful art film.

• 1:28:30Speaker 04

  Right, yeah, it was just.

• 1:28:31Chris Ryan?

  No, I didn't know that you were.

• 1:28:33Speaker 04

  Let's upgrade it for part two.

• 1:28:34Chris Ryan?

  John Glazer, yeah.

• 1:28:35Speaker 04

  That was a fucking moment.

• 1:28:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that was a fucking moment.

• 1:28:37Speaker 04

  That was a fucking moment. I was thankful, very thankful.

• 1:28:44Bill Simmons?

  Who won the movie? Mikey? Yeah, I guess. Natasha. Natasha. I'm trying to fucking honor him because he just passed away. That's why we're doing this. All right, wow. It's a great performance. Yeah. But yeah, she wins the movie. Craig, what'd you think?

• 1:28:58Speaker 07

  Well, you know, Mount Rushmore of most 90s movie premises, I would say. Just out of control 90s vibes. Can't imagine the audition process for this film. What that was like. Um, look, this movie's not good, but it's extremely enjoyable. Kind of the perfect blend of that. I respect the hell out of the attempt. Had no problem with any of the nudity stuff that you guys always claim that I have an issue with. When it's, that's what it's about, that's what it's about. It's just when it's randomly in an action film.

• 1:29:27Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 1:29:27Speaker 07

  And a girl in a car gets in an accident.

• 1:29:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:29Speaker 07

  And some extras topless in a hotel. I'm like, all right, then maybe I didn't need to be there. For this, we could have used a little more.

• 1:29:35Bill Simmons?

  What are you talking about, Craig?

• 1:29:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, you know, this was definitely a film where I was like.

• 1:29:39Bill Simmons?

  They grow up so fast. They do.

• 1:29:41Speaker 07

  Didn't exactly tell Liz the premise.

• 1:29:43Bill Simmons?

  Oh, Liz watched this with you?

• 1:29:44Speaker 07

  No, no. I was like, I, I think I'm gonna sit this one out. I'll watch this on my own. I have a feeling where this one's like.

• 1:29:49Bill Simmons?

  Good move.

• 1:29:50Speaker 07

  Where this one's headed.

• 1:29:51Bill Simmons?

  So that's like very passive thumbs up from Craig.

• 1:29:55Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's like.

• 1:29:56Bill Simmons?

  I think he enjoyed himself.

• 1:29:57Speaker 07

  Of cour- very enjoyable, but like, is it a good movie?

• 1:30:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. This is what we did in the 90s. We weren't trying to win Oscars with movies we made sometimes. We were trying to go see. Just like, let's put some fun people in a movie. Seconds of Natasha. Good premise.

• 1:30:10Speaker 04

  Not all the time. Sometimes you just got a cool idea, you make a movie. And then boom, it's on the screen.

• 1:30:18Bill Simmons?

  That's the representation. The Donaldson way.

• 1:30:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's the Donaldson way.

• 1:30:20Speaker 07

  It's pre-internet, it's pre-online porn. You, people had to go to the theaters for stuff like this.

• 1:30:25Bill Simmons?

  We did.

• 1:30:26Speaker 07

  You would never do this now.

• 1:30:27Speaker 04

  You wouldn't. Not now, now it'd have to be something more.

• 1:30:30Bill Simmons?

  This is how you got people to the theater. Now we have IMAX and Brad Pitt and F1 cars, and that's how you get people to go. Back then, it was like Natasha Andridge, Naked Horny Alien.

• 1:30:39Speaker 07

  Chris, I, in, in the same vein of your like, what if this lady was just a six? I think it'd be really funny if it was, it was just a guy and he was kinda ugly and he couldn't get any girls. So he had to just like get a job and have a wife?

• 1:30:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. John, John Lovitz.

• 1:30:52Speaker 07

  That's right. He's like, well, I guess.

• 1:30:55Speaker 07

  I guess I gotta develop a personality now.

• 1:30:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. All right, Craig Corlbeck, Jack Sanders, Ronic, thank you. Dan, see you, Ar. Good to see you. Good to see you, man.

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