George Santos: Being Tortured, Finding God, and Hearing of Charlie Kirk’s Murder From Behind Bars

George Santos on being tortured in prison. (00:00) Santos’s Takeover of the Prison Kitchen (11:50) The Interesting People Santos Met in Prison (21:00) What Are the Guards Like? (27:07) Did Anyone Plot Escape? (41:39) How Did Santos Land in Solitary Confinement? (51:33) How God Saved Santos From Suicide Paid partnerships with: Cozy Earth: Luxury shouldn't be out of reach. Go to https://CozyEarth.com/Tucker for up to 20% off. Byrna: Go to https://Byrna.com or your local Sportsman's Warehouse today. GCU: Find your purpose at Grand Canyon University. Learn more at https://GCU.edu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Welcome to the 50th Hunger Games.

• 0:01Speaker 01

  Witness the beginning of the revolution.

• 0:04Speaker 02

  Hey Mitch, you've been trying to take down these games from the start.

• 0:07Speaker 01

  Film for IMAX.

• 0:08Speaker 02

  Make them remember you.

• 0:11Speaker 01

  The Hunger Games: Sunrise on the Reaping, November 20th, rated PG-13.

• 0:15Tucker Carlson?

  I honestly can barely believe that you're sitting across from me. Last time I talked to you, you were days away from going to prison, then you disappeared into the Gulag for reasons I never quite figured out why. Why? Why were you going to prison in the first place? Didn't think I was gonna see you for seven years, and here you are.

• 0:31Speaker 04

  Peek-a-boo.

• 0:33Tucker Carlson?

  So congratulations.

• 0:34Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 0:56Tucker Carlson?

  So start at the beginning. What was it like? You pull up. Where were you held?

• 0:59Speaker 04

  Okay, so I was held at FCI Fairerton in South Jersey.

• 1:03Tucker Carlson?

  South Jersey.

• 1:04Speaker 04

  Not a nice place to be. It's New Jersey, first of all. Let's start with that. I'm sorry to anybody from New Jersey listening.

• 1:08Tucker Carlson?

  Fair, totally fair.

• 1:09Speaker 04

  Not a nice place to be, South Jersey. So I pull up to South Jersey at Fairerton, FCI, and it starts with a, this is a medium facility with a satellite camp. Now, the medium facility is a very violent prison. I mean, very violent prison. Ex-gang members, gang bangers, child molesters, rapists, you name it, murderers, who've worked themselves down from a penitentiary with good behavior throughout the years. And now they have this cozy little spot and this array of like the worst human beings on earth all sitting in this medium facility.

• 1:39Tucker Carlson?

  How many former congressmen facing seven years for campaign finance violations?

• 1:42Speaker 04

  I was the first one.

• 1:44Tucker Carlson?

  rhetorical question.

• 1:45Speaker 04

  And I reckon I'll be the only one.

• 1:47Tucker Carlson?

  I hope so.

• 1:48Speaker 04

  I think I'll be the only one. And regardless of party, I will probably be the only one to ever face something so insane. So I pull up. It's, I go to the camp across a street from the facility, which is a satellite camp. Now imagine a warehouse, not too different from where we're sitting now, but bare bones, and then you have this entire dormitory

• 2:10Speaker 04

  Bed cubby, little lockers, bed cubby, bed cubby, and it's rows of that, right? And that's how you live. Those are your living quarters. And then there's an adjacent room that has a cafeteria. There's five TVs in there. Even that's segregated because it's the black TV, the white TV, the Hispanic TV, and then there's a sports TV. And then literally what they call the CNN TV because the TV stays on CNN the whole day. So.

• 2:35Tucker Carlson?

  This sounds like used to find hell. It's racially segregated, though?

• 2:38Speaker 04

  TVs, yes. The remote controls are operated by people according to their race. And God have mercy on your soul. If you're a white guy and you go near the remote for the black people or the Spanish people. It is all hell, like people will literally get stabbed with a shank if they do that.

• 2:53Tucker Carlson?

  For for picking up the black remote or the Hispanic remote?

• 2:57Speaker 04

  Yep. Or the white remote for that matter. It is very political. So that's the environment I'm in. Lovely. Me, all cheery and joy. I'm like, hi, George Santos. Nice to meet you. Don't talk to me. I'm like, okay, you have a nice day. I mean, I'm definitely not caught for prison. Let's just be very honest.

• 3:13Tucker Carlson?

  And that did occur to me before they sent you away.

• 3:16Speaker 04

  So it was, that was kind of the environment, right? And then I start understanding that. I mean, the first day I walk in there, I understand that this isn't a place where people go to be abandoned and rot and forgotten about to rot. The ceiling is all made out of like this, how can I call it, this canvas? And it's all ripped up, patched up, and there's a flap hanging open. And black mold, like bubbles of black mold, almost like cotton are just like dangling off the ceiling. And you can see that the whole thing is compromised with black mold. We're breathing this in, in this non-ventilated space. This is the kind of environment

• 4:00Speaker 04

  that the warden maintains down in FCI Fariton. This is not an indictment, by the way, on the BOP. This is an indictment on a derelict and duty administrator who has no business doing her job.

• 4:12Tucker Carlson?

  This is a female warden?

• 4:13Speaker 04

  Female warden, Lynn Kelly, who runs the prison, absolutely unqualified for the job. I mean, and I say that with confidence. She can. Sue me, I'd love to go to a deposition for calling her unqualified. When you run a facility where the bathroom has outbreaks of ringworms and listeria, when you run a facility that you're serving inmates expired food as far back as a year, chicken patties that had been frozen but expired in 2024 were still being served to inmates in 2025.

• 4:41Tucker Carlson?

  This is in Ecuador?

• 4:43Speaker 04

  No, no, no. I thought I was in a Mexican.

• 4:45Tucker Carlson?

  This is the United States?

• 4:46Speaker 04

  This is the United States, but I felt like I was in a Mexican prison because everything, by the way, fun, fun story, beef taco, beef taco salad, chicken taco, chicken taco salad, beef fajita, chicken fajita are all on the menu on a constant rotation to the point you're just like, I don't want to see another tortilla or tortilla chip in my face. So this is, this is the facility I was in, you know, canned goods that were expired.

• 5:11Speaker 04

  I would go to the officer in charge of the kitchen because I obviously got involved with the kitchen right away. Natural fit, like cooking, like entertaining. I said, I'll go cook for these people. This is expired. He's like, well, you got to open it. We take it by chance. If it's bad, it's garbage. If it's good, then we'll use it. I'm like, oh, great. Russian roulette with canned goods. Literally.

• 5:30Tucker Carlson?

  The botulism Olympics.

• 5:31Speaker 04

  Pretty much. Yeah. So that's, that was day one. Oh, um, yeah, the kitchen. The kitchen is officially closed after I wrote several observations of its risks on my column for the South Shore Press because I was still writing from in there. And they.

• 5:51Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, you were their prison columnist?

• 5:54Speaker 04

  Well, no, I'm my own. I write for the column for the South Shore Press, which is a New York paper. I've been writing for them for over a year and I would still retain that column. And I was writing from prison criticizing the prison I was in and documenting my journey. Look, unfortunately, I'm known to not be scared of bucketing this.

• 6:13Tucker Carlson?

  Well, apparently.

• 6:15Speaker 04

  To my detriment, but, um, so I criticized him and I critiqued all of these things to, to a massive audience that I have as a platform and it subsequently led to the kitchen closure.

• 6:27Tucker Carlson?

  But what, what was it like before it closed?

• 6:30Speaker 04

  I mean, broken equipment, absolute filth, nothing functioning, drains that backed up and bought back the most gauk you can think of. Machinery that you were literally. You know, I always thought that eating the food at FCI Faratin was either I get some really, really bad food poisoning and I'm gonna lose a lot of weight, or I might just not die. You know, it's like, it's either or. You can't, you really can't, it's inexplicable.

• 7:00Tucker Carlson?

  What's the hand washing regimen like?

• 7:02Speaker 04

  Uh, there's no hand washing regimen. It's, you wear gloves. Who's washing hands? They give you gloves. They don't even give you soap to wash your hands in the kitchen. Because you're wearing gloves.

• 7:14Tucker Carlson?

  But what if the gloves are dirty?

• 7:16Speaker 04

  Oh, no. You, it's lovely. You should see the loveliness of how, I mean, I got in trouble because I put a pair of gloves on, right? And if I'm stirring a spoon and I'm doing my things, and then I proceed to go open a box to get something, once I'm done with that box, I would switch out gloves and toss them. But I guess I was going through gloves so fast. And I got yelled at, say like, you change gloves too many times. Like, no, you take it easy. Once you're gloved up, you're gloved up for the day. I'm like, what? Like, what is going on here? You would see these guys, like, some of the inmates follow that regimen. I don't care. I'm like, I'm not doing that. I eat this food. They would put on gloves. And the loveliest thing was, they'd get a piece of paper, blow their nose, wear in the gloves. They'd open a box, they'd touch dirty dusty cans, and then the

• 8:01Speaker 04

  next thing you'd see, they're in there mushing up spices into the ground beef. And I'm like,

• 8:08Speaker 04

  it's like, I'm telling you, it's your own personal hell for a germaphobe. It's like, that's prison. The conditions of the kitchen were just atrocious. It's just, it's hard to explain when you have a walk-in freezer that's constantly over-freezing and breaking, and you have to thaw it, and then everything in it thaws, and then they refreeze it. And then it's like, but the chicken has expired a year, but it keeps well. Like, you gotta pretend this is all normal, you know? It's, it's, it's just remarkable. Guantanamo has better treatment for their prisoners, I assume.

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• 11:45Tucker Carlson?

  Did you whip up anything good?

• 11:47Speaker 04

  I did. I did rice pudding.

• 11:49Tucker Carlson?

  Did you actually?

• 11:49Speaker 04

  I was the first person, I think, in that prison's history to have the audacity to make rice pudding.

• 11:55Tucker Carlson?

  How was it?

• 11:55Speaker 04

  It was good. It was like diner New York style. Like, I had rice. I had two big cartons full of milks that were going to expire in two days. So I said, instead of letting it go to waste, let's make something with it. I said, "Rice pudding it is." I had cinnamon, I had allspice, I had rice, I had sugar, and I had milk. Rice pudding. They loved it.

• 12:14Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, it's one of the great desserts, which is kind of fading.

• 12:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I love it. So, I mean, I love it. And then, it's funny that I did do a flan, but I did a test flan. It worked. I mean, I'm ridiculous, trust me. I love cooking. I did do a flan, but it was-

• 12:31Tucker Carlson?

  But to do a flan from prison-

• 12:33Speaker 04

  You can-

• 12:34Tucker Carlson?

  Takes a certain alon.

• 12:35Speaker 04

  I mean, it takes a je ne sais quoi.

• 12:39Speaker 04

  So, you had milk, you had eggs, you had sugar. Again, you have the ingredients, it's just really the chutzpah that's missing.

• 12:47Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, you brought it.

• 12:49Speaker 04

  I bought it. I mean, it was, look, I baked lemon cakes with lemon icing. I mean- I I came to a place where the kitchen was delivering doom and gloom. And my first week there, inmates were like revving about how the desserts were amazing, how the food was better prepared. It looked like it was prepared with care. I'm not saying I'm perfect. Okay, I mean, I still had to make the grub that's on the menu. Right. But I actually bothered to peel potatoes instead of making mashed potatoes full of dirty peel. I washed the vegetables before I worked them.

• 13:24Tucker Carlson?

  Don't wash the vegetables.

• 13:24Speaker 04

  No. So I actually did took precautions. I mean, they don't wash, they barely peel. You know, it really depends on who's in the kitchen. I can speak for myself. I did. And a lot of other inmates, just they didn't care. But what's sad about that is that the mentality that they have is so self destructive because of how they're treated by the institution. They forget they're gonna eat that too. They completely are oblivious to the fact that they're going to experience and eating the carelessness of their own, I guess, despair. So it's sad. It's a very sad environment.

• 14:01Tucker Carlson?

  What were mealtimes like? How would you rate the table manners?

• 14:04Speaker 04

  Let me, let me put it this way. No table manners. Um, it definitely wouldn't, you know, I don't think we can go to dinner with, I'd say 80% of them to, I know, the French Laundry. Gavin Newsom would never. So, um, but some people very, remember, I was in a white collar camp. The problem is, is President Obama changed the rules of camps. And now you get other people that are not white collar. So you get some drug dealers, you get some, you know, violent former gang members that have worked themselves down throughout the years in the system and their custody points have lowered, they're on their way home, so they get put in a camp now. So I joked and I said, it's a really dark shade of white for white collar in this camp. Not, not, not on a racial thing.

• 14:49Tucker Carlson?

  No, no, I get it.

• 14:50Speaker 04

  Definitely not white collar.

• 14:51Tucker Carlson?

  It's off white collar.

• 14:52Speaker 04

  It's off white for sure, because it's not all white collar like they like to say bankers and exec.

• 14:58Speaker 04

  The only real white collar guys I saw there were actually gold callers because they were Bob Menendez's co-defendants.

• 15:04Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 15:04Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 15:05Tucker Carlson?

  What were they like?

• 15:06Speaker 04

  Interesting, very interesting people. I mean, business guys, very intelligent guys, but very interesting to interact with. I mean, we're talking about multi, multi millionaires. I mean, their gifts were gold bars. My joke was always the same. I'm in prison. I didn't even get a gold bar.

• 15:23Tucker Carlson?

  No, I know.

• 15:24Speaker 04

  What the hell? So.

• 15:25Tucker Carlson?

  Were they serving long terms?

• 15:26Speaker 04

  Um, I believe one is serving a seven year term and the other one's serving a nine year term. But again, remember what those charges were, right?

• 15:33Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, big time.

• 15:34Speaker 04

  Allegation issues. I mean, the book, uh, Gold Bar Bob, that came out just a couple of days before I came out of prison is a wild read. I, I mean, I, I had it ordered and sent to me because I just needed to read it. The stories in there are absolutely fascinating. And I'm sitting here reading this and looking at these two characters. I'm like, that man did not do all this. There's no way. He's too dopey to do all of this. It's just crazy to me. But yeah, it was a, an enlightening group of people.

• 16:02Tucker Carlson?

  Who else did you meet?

• 16:04Speaker 04

  Um, I reconnected with a former campaign staffer of mine who ended up going to prison for something completely unrelated to me. Um, but in the nature of what I believe the Merrick Garland DOJ did was he refused to play the narrative of bashing me and cooperating against me because he had really nothing to say. Um, so in lieu of that, they got him on a technicality on some paperwork and, and, and they threw him in prison for a year and a day. And that's Sam Mealy, who is a really remarkably intelligent young man who I would say made some poor choices, but at the same time, doesn't deserve to be in prison just because he didn't narc on me.

• 16:43Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 16:43Speaker 04

  But that's what the Merrick Garland DOJ was operating like.

• 16:46Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 16:46Speaker 04

  Oh, you don't help? You know, off to the, off the ramparts with you. You're done.

• 16:52Tucker Carlson?

  It's a snitch system, for sure.

• 16:53Speaker 04

  It's totally a snitch system. So as far as other people, look, I will say this, I met this very competent man who I still struggle. I looked at after I left prison. I, I, I wanted to make sure, this is a guy who I think would, will be a friend in my life because he was a very even keeled, well spoken, respectable executive. He was, he's a very renowned architect worldwide. His name's Alok, um, Indian gentleman, um, former executive for United Airlines. He got caught in a pay to play kickback scheme in the private sector, though. I never thought that that was illegal. And when I look at his thing, I'm saying, look, don't do it if there's a gray area, right? So I'm not defending the, the activity. But I'm also looking at saying like, this is

• 17:37Speaker 04

  protocol in the private sector. Do you, I, I worked in the private sector for 10 years in private equity. I mean, if I, if you go to my house, I'll, I'll be glad to tour the wine cellar I've built out of gift baskets.

• 17:48Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 17:49Speaker 04

  You know, like four, five, $600 bottles of wine, two, $3,000 bottles of champagne, Pappy Van Winkle Scotch. I mean, all of this sits in my house. I never bought that stuff. But they were gifts during my private equity days and they would be like, eh, eh, thank you. It was a pleasure doing business with. It's not a crime, but they put this man in prison.

• 18:08Tucker Carlson?

  That's right.

• 18:08Speaker 04

  So I, I struggle with the criminal justice system these days because I look at it and I feel like it's an overall zealous system. It just meant to put people in prison. There, there has to be some monetary benefit, benefiting suppliers. When you look at, do you know what I discovered in prison? Keefe. Have you ever heard of the brand Keefe?

• 18:27Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 18:27Speaker 04

  Have you ever heard of the brand Bob Barker?

• 18:30Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 18:30Speaker 04

  But you know who Bob Barker is?

• 18:32Tucker Carlson?

  Right, of course.

• 18:32Speaker 04

  Well, Bob Barker's family or him, I don't know who, started a freaking line of supplies. From curtains to towels to linens to T-shirts to the jumpsuits we wear in prison, all the way to the bare, basic, um, toiletries. And it's all the Bob Barker line. That is a multi-billion dollar federal government contract.

• 18:57Tucker Carlson?

  And, and those products are for prisons?

• 18:59Speaker 04

  For prisons, exclusively for prisons.

• 19:01Tucker Carlson?

  Bob Barker's family started a prison accessory line?

• 19:05Speaker 04

  Yes. And then there's

• 19:06Tucker Carlson?

  I've lived in this country a long time. How did I know?

• 19:08Speaker 04

  I didn't know it until I went to prison.

• 19:11Tucker Carlson?

  Fair.

• 19:11Speaker 04

  And then there's this brand called Keefe that by all accounts ties back to the Bushes. Now they sell all the commissary stuff from coffee to toilet paper, you name it. Like you can go down a prison commissary, um, sheet and Keefe. I'm like, what the hell is Keefe? Well, apparently there's ties of it that tie back to its former president and it's Bush.

• 19:35Tucker Carlson?

  And they've got a retail monopoly.

• 19:38Speaker 04

  Retail monopoly in contracts with the Federal Bureau of Prisons. So when you look at this, we currently have a system that houses approximately 250,000 Americans in federal custody. I don't even have an idea of what state custody is, but.

• 19:54Tucker Carlson?

  Or local jails.

• 19:55Speaker 04

  Quarter of a million Americans sit in federal custody today. That is a business, not for the federal government, though. Federal government loses. It's a business for all of those with the contracts to those prisons. So there is an incentive to putting people in prison somewhere along some line. Judges might be compromised and I'm assuming prosecutors might be compromised. I can't prove that, but that's the only thing that makes sense. When you're seeing people go to prison for arbitrary reasons or for purposes and timeframes that wouldn't suit the crime or are, you know, overtly unusual and cruel, which is a violation of the Eighth Amendment. So you have to really walk this tight rope to understand.

• 20:39Speaker 04

  And I don't think that a BOP director will be able to grasp that because A they work in four term, four year terms, or A if they get reelected, their principal gets reelected as their president. And in eight or four years, there's so much you have to do that I don't think you can get to the nitty gritty. That's why I'm like so focused, Tucker, to get into this in prison reform because it's desperately needed. There's more voices needed for this.

• 21:04Tucker Carlson?

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• 22:59Tucker Carlson?

  Is the problem with it that it's dirty, disorganized, violent, corrupt, all the above? Like if you were to isolate one problem with the federal prison system as you experienced it, what would it be?

• 23:10Speaker 04

  Per my experience at FCI Ferriton, and I have limited experience. I know that there's a lot of people that I met who have hopped, because they hop around prisons across the country.

• 23:19Tucker Carlson?

  For sure, in the federal system, yeah.

• 23:20Speaker 04

  It's insanity. They ship you backwards. I mean, if you're in New Jersey, here this is, I think it's hilarious, this story. An inmate was being transferred to New Jersey from Pennsylvania, but first they drove him to Kentucky, up to Wisconsin, and then he brought him back to New Jersey.

• 23:36Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 23:36Speaker 04

  I don't know why. I don't understand it. And that's why the BOP has a nickname for its acronym, which is Backwards on Purpose. Even COs say it.

• 23:46Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 23:47Speaker 04

  I learned this from a CO, from a corrections officer, not from an inmate, by the way. They say the BOP is Backwards on Purpose.

• 23:54Tucker Carlson?

  What are the guards like? I should have asked you.

• 23:55Speaker 04

  That's a great question. Um, the guards, 80% of them are hardworking, amazing people. They're doing their job. I had no quarrels with them or qualms or anything. I mean, great people. Matter of fact, I am only here today talking to you because of two very specific people that didn't let me walk off that ledge when I was in isolation for 41 days. I, I don't obviously want to say their names because I don't want to compromise them. You know, we, we don't want to. Doesn't help. It doesn't help them and they have families and, and I genuinely like these gentlemen. They were very compassionate men who were themselves distraught and completely flabbergasted at why I was being treated the way I was being treated while I was in solitary confinement.

• 24:40Speaker 04

  It didn't compute to them. It didn't make sense. Um, so I'd say 80% of them are some of the best people you'll ever meet. They're fun. They, they, they can dish it out with the best of them. Like, you know, on, on a good day, I, you know, I'd pop some jokes. They'd pop right back. They clap. And you have this very good environment because it's supposed to be rehabilitatory. It's not supposed to be punitive. So some COs want to make your life miserable just because it makes them happy and they live and relish off of your misery, but that's not the majority. Those are very few and select and I'm so glad that that's the case. So I, I look at it as I had a positive experience with the COs. I had a terrible experience with the administration.

• 25:20Speaker 04

  From the assistant warden Noble to the warden Lynn Kelly, to the camp administrator, who then turns out to be the most competent man there. And funny enough, his name is Mr. Santos. Really? Yes. True story. You have cousins in this system too? No.

• 25:39Speaker 04

  No. Um, it turns out he was the most competent and most honest of the three on the power structure. And it's infuriating that he's the one with the less power. And then you have the two with the most power and they're absolute. Tucker, here's, here's, do you know where my head exploded? CEOs are working with the bare minimum because there's no budget. We don't have that in the budget. The building's falling apart. We don't have it in the budget. That's her answer to everything, the warden. The AC broke and it was broke all summer long. And then I had to fight tooth and nail, literally writing about it before they put on an actual temporary AC because I wasn't about to sleep in 90 degree weather.

• 26:23Speaker 04

  No, it's just not gonna happen.

• 26:26Tucker Carlson?

  You have standards.

• 26:27Speaker 04

  I do, even in prison. I think there should be standards, but upon leaving, right before I left, it's getting cold. The ducks hadn't been cleaned. And when asked to clean the duck, she said, I didn't have the budget. One of the CEOs was so infuriated. He's like, it's four grand to have a full service. We're just gonna turn this on. It's gonna throw, God only knows what onto you guys to breathe. But at the same time, she found it in the budget to buy herself an 85 inch QLED Samsung TV at the cost of allegedly $7,000. And she put it in her own office, not in a conference room, not in a common area.

• 27:11Tucker Carlson?

  She's a TV watcher at work?

• 27:13Speaker 04

  I guess. 80, 85 inches. I don't even have that in my living room. It's such a massive TV. What are you doing with this in your office? Like, but she found a budget for that, but God forbid the budget to clean the ducks for the heater. Like, it's infuriating.

• 27:34Tucker Carlson?

  So you didn't have a problem with the guards? You had a problem with a couple of administrators. What about the other inmates?

• 27:40Speaker 04

  You know, inmates for me were, I call them extras in my journey. I mean, there was like maybe two or three.

• 27:45Tucker Carlson?

  Did you let them know?

• 27:46Speaker 04

  Kind of.

• 27:47Tucker Carlson?

  They had non-speaking parts in the film?

• 27:49Speaker 04

  They had totally non-speaking parts in the film because look, it's, I didn't. I didn't, I didn't, I couldn't find a lot of similarities with a lot of them. I think there was like a group of like five or six that I could talk to, but these are well-educated individuals, very savvy, but at the same time, very liberal. So

• 28:05Tucker Carlson?

  Very liberal?

• 28:06Speaker 04

  There are lots of liberals in prison.

• 28:07Tucker Carlson?

  What?

• 28:08Speaker 04

  Oh my God, lots of liberals in prison. You'd be shocked. You'd be shocked at the amount of people who hate the president in prison. But then the moment, which is funny, the moment I got commuted, everybody was like, oh, Trump's the man. Yo buddy, take care of me. Here's my, call my wife. I'm like, I left with a stack of phone numbers of wives that I've never called.

• 28:27Tucker Carlson?

  I can't believe liberals. I know a lot of people who've been in prison. They all get more right wing in prison.

• 28:31Speaker 04

  Well, maybe these were still not getting red filled yet. And I, I didn't do my part either. So.

• 28:37Tucker Carlson?

  What, so what do you do for recreation?

• 28:40Speaker 04

  Um, while I was in the camp, um, for the 43 days that I was in the camp, um, the first 30 and then the, and then a break and then 13 days. Because I had that big 41 block of isolation. Um, you know, I was in the kitchen from 7:30 in the morning to 4:30 in the afternoon, and it was a great refuge for me psychologically.

• 29:01Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 29:02Speaker 04

  Because I, I didn't have to deal with whatever was outside of the kitchen.

• 29:05Tucker Carlson?

  What is everyone else doing?

• 29:07Speaker 04

  I don't know. Honestly.

• 29:08Tucker Carlson?

  Not making license plates. That's not real.

• 29:10Speaker 04

  No, we, we don't make license plates. Uh, it's, it's a work camp. So there's the maintenance crew. So some guys do facility maintenance. I mean, which is, you know, whatever they call maintenance. There is not maintenance in the real world. And then you have the warehouse guys who are in charge of like picking up the heavy boxes of, you know, the goods that come in to operate the prison. And then you have, oh, you have the cleaning crew. So they're the ones in charge of cleaning the entire compound from, you know, the buildings, the bathrooms and all the other facilities, um, for the staff. Um, and lastly, you have the landscapers, because this is on a big old bird reserve, um, that was converted into a prison in 1990. So it's massive amounts of acreage and lots of green and lots of grass. And so you have a landscaping crew. So

• 29:56Speaker 04

  I don't know what these people do. All I know is that I was in the kitchen from 7:30 to 4:30.

• 30:00Tucker Carlson?

  Does anyone plot escape?

• 30:03Speaker 04

  No, if they wanted to, you can walk off. The campers are free, literally free to roam right off, but nobody's stupid enough to do it.

• 30:10Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 30:10Speaker 04

  Your custody points go higher and then you lose that privilege and you end up in a low or a medium facility, security.

• 30:16Tucker Carlson?

  So, but can't you just wander off and go to Philadelphia?

• 30:20Speaker 04

  I mean, you technically could. When you get caught, you're gonna be charged with escape and your custody points go higher. So from my understanding, nobody has attempted to escape the camp in years because once you go to the camp, it's the easiest form of prison. It's, it's, imagine an abandoned country club from the 1960s that nobody's ever gone to anymore. And one day you just decide to turn on the key and say, we're open for business. No maintenance, no nothing. You just want to operate it as is. That's what they're operating there. But in prison standards, that is it. Club fed.

• 30:58Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 30:59Speaker 04

  No, no fences, no gates, no, no locked doors. You can roam and there's outdoor track and there's recreation outside. There's a weight pile, you know, really rundown weight pile, but a weight pile for you to work out. They have an annexed trailer with a laundry room for you to do your laundry. You have a little library with actually decent selection of books, which I was very impressed. Some of my favorite authors were in there. And then you have a chapel where you can do multi-denominational prayer services. So it's very nice environment.

• 31:35Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 31:36Speaker 04

  As far as prison goes. So when you get there, you usually either are somebody like me who is gonna hate it, but not understand how good you have it.

• 31:44Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 31:44Speaker 04

  And be a big baby about it like I was.

• 31:48Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it is prison.

• 31:49Speaker 04

  Or you're gonna be somebody who came from the system, working yourself down throughout your very long sentence. And now you've reached the tail end of it and you've been good behavior. You've, in the eyes of the BOP, rehabilitated yourself. Now you're in minimum security custody, which you're now not even considered in custody. You're out custody because there's no gates, handcuffs, none of that. So that's, nobody wants to run away from that.

• 32:14Tucker Carlson?

  What are the showers like?

• 32:15Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 32:17Speaker 04

  Let's, let's, I described it this way, so I want to stay consistent. Imagine a rundown gym with no maintenance. Same structure, shower, two, two, two sides of showers and an aisle in the middle, like a locker with showers on both sides with curtains that are just falling apart. Lime and, and, and every bacterial growth you can imagine growing on the walls and in the corners, peeling paint inside of each stall. Same thing goes for the, for the toilets. And then there was something lovely that I discovered. There's this, uh, this is what made the bathroom really unbearable for me to a point that I started having to brush my teeth with bottled water.

• 33:03Speaker 04

  You'll, you're, you're not going to believe this, but in prison, there's this Muslim culture that become, has become very prolific in a, in a sense. And I'm not trying to be Islamophobic here. I'm just being really agnostic.

• 33:19Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 33:19Speaker 04

  Have no horse in the fight of Israelis and Jews and Islam and.

• 33:23Tucker Carlson?

  Right. Non-political observation.

• 33:26Speaker 04

  They have a predominant presence in the prison system. The wild thing is, is that before they go to pray, they have to, I guess, wash certain parts of their body.

• 33:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 33:38Speaker 04

  There were inmates hanging their, as on the sink and just washing it right there where I was.

• 33:46Tucker Carlson?

  Ass washing on the sink?

• 33:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:49Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's a bridge too far.

• 33:50Speaker 04

  I mean, for anybody and, and one confronted, it's like a big argument on religious freedom.

• 33:58Tucker Carlson?

  Seriously?

• 33:59Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. It's an attack. It's Islamophobia.

• 34:01Tucker Carlson?

  Are these Middle Eastern Muslims or African American Muslims?

• 34:04Speaker 04

  They're African American Muslims.

• 34:05Tucker Carlson?

  So you didn't see a lot of Egyptians?

• 34:08Speaker 04

  A full pause, no. I don't think there was a single Arab in this Muslim crew that I was with. Not a single one. They were all African Americans.

• 34:16Tucker Carlson?

  These are gang members from Philly.

• 34:17Speaker 04

  Pretty much.

• 34:18Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 34:18Speaker 04

  Right? These were the Muslims that I was dealing with. Now, don't get me wrong, some of them nicest guys I've ever met.

• 34:23Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 34:23Speaker 04

  But with these very uncanny habits that were just. For me. So, once I walked into a situation like that, and it was literally ass washing on the sink, I said, I can't do this. I, so I bought the 24 pack of water. Yours truly from your state here, not too far from here, same brand.

• 34:41Tucker Carlson?

  They sell Poland Spring?

• 34:42Speaker 04

  They do, yeah, totally. So you can buy the 24 pack at, I think, 70 cents a bottle, which is not a bad.

• 34:49Tucker Carlson?

  No, no.

• 34:50Speaker 04

  For prison, it's not a bad deal. We know it's a, it's a ripoff, but it's compared to their 150 for a ramen noodle, it's not a ripoff.

• 34:56Tucker Carlson?

  That's what they were charging?

• 34:57Speaker 04

  It's insane. They take a.

• 34:58Tucker Carlson?

  Can you buy cigarettes?

• 34:59Speaker 04

  No, you cannot. It's, federal buildings are all smoke-free areas.

• 35:03Tucker Carlson?

  What about vape or?

• 35:04Speaker 04

  No, actually.

• 35:06Tucker Carlson?

  No nicotine?

• 35:07Speaker 04

  No nicotine products. I saw a man go to the shoe for 45 days because he was caught with a contraband and vaping in there.

• 35:14Tucker Carlson?

  No way.

• 35:15Speaker 04

  That's the, that's how severe they consider it of a violation.

• 35:20Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 35:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:20Tucker Carlson?

  Why do they care?

• 35:23Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 35:24Tucker Carlson?

  Well, Grand Canyon University is not like most American colleges. It focuses on the things that actually matter. It is not a ripoff. It is the real thing. It's private, affordable, Christian university located in the heart of Phoenix, one of the largest universities in the country, actually. At Grand Canyon University, education is more than academics. It is about opportunity, the chance for every student to live out the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Rights are not given by the government. They were bestowed at birth, at conception, by God. That's just a fact, and Grand Canyon University is not going to lie to your kids and claim otherwise. It tells the truth. So you know, you're thinking, quality education is rare, so this probably costs a fortune. Colleges constantly jack up their

• 36:09Tucker Carlson?

  costs. They probably do the same. Well, they don't, actually. GCU has maintained the same tuition for 17 straight years. They're not in education to get rich at the expense of students. The whole thing is actually about learning. How refreshing. With flexible online classes, hybrid learning options, GCU offers 340 academic programs. Students benefit from collaborative learning environment, dedicated faculty, personalized support to help them achieve their goals. The pursuit to serve is yours, let it flourish. Find your purpose at Grand Canyon University. Private, Christian, affordable. GCU.edu.

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• 37:35Tucker Carlson?

  What about drugs? Were there drugs in the prison?

• 37:38Speaker 04

  The prison, not the camp. The prison across the street in the shoe of all places is littered in drugs. Suboxone, K, ecstasy, Molly, cocaine.

• 37:53Tucker Carlson?

  Are you serious?

• 37:54Speaker 04

  I am dead serious.

• 37:56Tucker Carlson?

  How do you get drugs into a prison?

• 37:57Speaker 04

  That is the question I would always pose when there was some court sort of issue where the COs couldn't walk the range of the shoe because the smoke of suboxone and K2 were so thick.

• 38:08Tucker Carlson?

  They're smoking it.

• 38:09Speaker 04

  They're smoking it. And then you ask, why are they being provided lighters? They're not, they're not. But some inmates have medical prescriptions that are pumps and require a battery. They take a little piece of whatever foil they can find and they put it on each end of negative and the positive and create a little brazier and they smoke from that.

• 38:36Tucker Carlson?

  No way.

• 38:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, I learned a lot.

• 38:38Tucker Carlson?

  That's clever.

• 38:38Speaker 04

  I watched, oh, they're MacGyver.

• 38:41Tucker Carlson?

  Did you get any tattoos for joining gang or anything?

• 38:44Speaker 04

  No, I should have joined the gang, but I mean, it was camp cupcake. What was I gonna do? A cupcake on my shoulder?

• 38:50Tucker Carlson?

  Get the cupcake tattoo. They call it camp cupcake.

• 38:53Speaker 04

  I called it camp cupcake. I bake cupcakes there. So yes, it's camp.

• 38:57Tucker Carlson?

  But people are getting high in solitary confinement?

• 38:59Speaker 04

  Which is insane because these are, I mean, they strip, they strip us naked, make us spread our cheeks and cough to go into solitary to make sure we're bringing nothing we're not allowed to into solitary. So I went through that humiliating display. You're always handcuffed to your back. You have no access to outside. So when all that is happening, unfortunately, there's only one way that drugs make it in there.

• 39:22Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, guards.

• 39:23Speaker 04

  Guards. And why? They're undercompensated. They're undercompensated, overworked. Now they're working without compensation for God knows how long because Democrats can't even get that together and Republicans can't seem to work with them to do something. Although I, I, I agree with the principle of standing up to Chuck Schumer, but the problem is you're just going to create a far worse, this is a pressure cooker situation, but Farrington is littered in drugs in the medium.

• 39:51Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 39:51Speaker 04

  The camp, I never saw drugs. I was there. I was pretty all over the place as far as like integration goes. I've never seen drugs. I, the worst that I saw there was one guy got caught with a vape and that was like, oh my God, you know, oh, sorry, that wasn't the worst. That wasn't the worst. The phone. One inmate got caught with a phone while I was in solitary. Another inmate who actually, funny enough, the first day I walk in there, he looks at me and says, Hugh, or my congressman, I voted for you. I'm like,

• 40:22Tucker Carlson?

  Did you find a lot of constituents in lockup?

• 40:24Speaker 04

  Uh, two. There were two, two people from New York's third district serving there, which was, I, I didn't like that similarity.

• 40:31Tucker Carlson?

  Wow, it's a big district.

• 40:32Speaker 04

  It is a big district. It's a very densely populated area, but yeah, there were two.

• 40:36Tucker Carlson?

  What were they in for?

• 40:37Speaker 04

  Uh, both of them for PPP fraud.

• 40:42Speaker 04

  You can't make this up.

• 40:44Tucker Carlson?

  Actually.

• 40:44Speaker 04

  Millions of dollars of PPP fraud. Yes. So one of them got caught with a cell phone. That was a big transgression and it hadn't happened in so long. I was still like, oh, we haven't had a phone incursion in this prison, in this part of the prison for years. I was like, oh, okay. Either they're really good at hiding them or they just don't even bother doing it because they have so much freedom. It's not worth the risk. But that was the worst I saw. Booze, drugs. You know, these guys, you know, what's the number one topic in the camp? Food. That's all they talk about.

• 41:20Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 41:21Speaker 04

  The fantasies of like, oh, I'd kill for a Big Mac. And I'm like, oh, metaphorically.

• 41:27Speaker 04

  Be careful. Like, yeah, that's, that's all that. Because food is such a big part of the day there. You have these two sacred times of day. 10 a.m. is lunch. 4 p.m. is dinner. Yes, we run on a geriatric schedule.

• 41:43Speaker 04

  But that is literally the.

• 41:45Tucker Carlson?

  So two meals a day.

• 41:46Speaker 04

  The entire, well, they call breakfast what they give us in a bag. An apple, a honey bun, um, some sort of like processed cake and a little box of cornflakes. That's breakfast. It's all sugar. So lots of us don't even touch that. I didn't touch that stuff or else I was gonna die of diabetes and sodium issues. Like, just no thank you. So really it's two meals and whatever you buy on your commissary. But I, I did something I'm so proud of. I was able to survive 84 days in prison. I've never eaten a honey bun or a ramen noodle soup. So I'm very proud of myself.

• 42:24Tucker Carlson?

  They're so good.

• 42:25Speaker 04

  They're not good for you.

• 42:26Tucker Carlson?

  No, they're not. No, I've heard that.

• 42:28Speaker 04

  1,000.

• 42:28Tucker Carlson?

  I've been reliably informed. Yes.

• 42:30Speaker 04

  1,000 milligrams of sodium. Are you trying to kill someone by eating that?

• 42:36Tucker Carlson?

  You know, the ramen's, ramen's tough.

• 42:38Speaker 04

  You know what? I have a trade for you. One honey bun, four soups for me to guest host your show next week.

• 42:44Tucker Carlson?

  So what would that be worth?

• 42:46Speaker 04

  I know. No.

• 42:47Tucker Carlson?

  I'd eat it too.

• 42:49Speaker 04

  Of course you would.

• 42:50Tucker Carlson?

  Of course I would. I'll eat anything. Um, that, wow. So what were you buying at the commissary?

• 42:55Speaker 04

  Um, I stuck to like, they have these really, they have some healthy alternative, healthy-ish, right? So lots of tuna, uh, ate lots of tuna. I felt like a cat. Like I could do, I think I could do a full-blown Friskies commercial right now. Like, I know how to, I have my meowing down to the T. So much tuna, but, um, lots of like cashews and almonds and trail mix. Like, I, I lived off of that stuff. Like, and you have to ration because the premium stuff like that, they give you a limit of how much you can buy of it.

• 43:23Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, you can't go in and buy a case?

• 43:25Speaker 04

  No, like two bags a week of each. So I'd get two of each almonds, cashews, trail mix, and, um, the peanuts. So I just, you know, ration it through the week. Sometimes dinner for me was like half a bag of trail mix and I'd go to sleep because the food was inedible, uh, from the kitchen.

• 43:41Tucker Carlson?

  Was it hard to sleep?

• 43:43Speaker 04

  I cried every night. Uh, it was not easy. Um, so much so that the prison there, even though other prisons do allow people to stay on their actual medications that they have been treated on for years. I was on Vyvanse for, I have been on Vyvanse, which is an Adderall because I'm ADD, um, for 22 years, since I'm 15, 37. These guys took me off Vyvanse, cold turkey, and literally stuffed me up with a antidepressant and anti-anxiety medications. So needless to say, I was kind of zombified.

• 44:18Tucker Carlson?

  What was that like?

• 44:21Speaker 04

  No medical care, no health, no mental health care. It's like the complete decay and abandonment.

• 44:26Tucker Carlson?

  But they will hand you pills.

• 44:28Speaker 04

  Oh, no. No, no, no. They give you the pill. You can't self-medicate.

• 44:33Tucker Carlson?

  Well, of course, but I mean, they will give you.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, but those pills, they won't give you what you, they won't treat you with what you need at that prison for some reason. Although, if you look historically, even Sam Bankman-Fried, when he's, he's in prison, he's receiving his Adderall because he's ADHD, right?

• 44:48Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 44:49Speaker 04

  He's still receiving.

• 44:49Tucker Carlson?

  It's not helping him. I talked to him.

• 44:51Speaker 04

  It's not.

• 44:52Tucker Carlson?

  No. He's still jumping around like a meth head.

• 44:55Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, obviously, because you take a diagnosis like that and it, it just exacerbates. I mean, me confinement, the solitary confinement, what it did to me. I wrote three suicide notes.

• 45:10Tucker Carlson?

  So can you back up and tell us how you're working in the prison kitchen? I don't think you're starting fistfights in the showers. How do you wind up in solitary confinement for 41 days?

• 45:20Speaker 04

  So Joe Murray, my attorney, who I adore.

• 45:24Tucker Carlson?

  Good man.

• 45:24Speaker 04

  Great champion for me. I mean, shout out to Joe because what him, Matt, my partner and my sister Tiffany went to hell and back for me, but Joe really was a driving force. I mean, this man.

• 45:39Tucker Carlson?

  He texted me.

• 45:39Speaker 04

  I mean, he didn't, he did not rest a single day. It was remarkable. And I have two other attorneys, Andrew and Bobby, who did fantastic work, but really I'd be remiss if I didn't highlight Joe's efforts. Receives this text message from a journalist, an investigative journalist from Project Veritas, which is an organization I have, I've given, I've donated to their former outfit. I was very close to O'Keefe and all of those guys. I don't know. I didn't even know Project Veritas was still around to me. Eventually after Matt Tierman left, I think after the whole breakup with O'Keefe, it was gone, but apparently it's still active.

• 46:22Speaker 04

  So they get this person, this woman named Patricia. She's Brazilian. She's had an obsession with me to a degree that I can't explain. It's inexplicable almost to a, to a degree. She has, she has in the past made threats that were deemed uncredible. So she was a non-credible source with these elaborate threats of high power players in DC want to kill you because you're outing about orgies and talking about the DC swamp orgies with, you know, the SEC and Congress. And I said, like, okay, whatever. Capitol Police looked into it in 2023 when I was a city member of Congress, not credible.

• 47:03Speaker 04

  She comes back out of the woodworks and I guess convinces Project Veritas on those old texts to be real and adds a new one dated August 18th, saying that we need to take care of Santos in prison. And I'm paraphrasing, um, you know, essentially, somebody needs to break into prison and kill George Santos, which is on its face value ridiculous. I've heard of jailbreaks. I have not heard of inbreak. So I'm sitting there like, wait, what? So Joe sees this. I've been the subject of threats, credible threats, to the point, we do have people in prison for trying to kill me today. Um, reaches out to the facility, thinks, you know, hey, I need you to protect George. I just received a threat. It's, it

• 47:48Speaker 04

  seems concerning. The warden's definition of protected custody, because she's lazy and she's completely irresponsible with her budget and doesn't have adequate protective custody, you know, protocols, does what's easy and the shortcut, which is toss George Santos in the shoe. Now, I am not there for disciplinary action, but I am subject to only three showers a week. I'm subject to using recycled clothes, meaning I'm using whatever underwear Joe Schmo was using yesterday, got into the washing machine and was propped up and given to me. Comes with their, it even comes with complimentary skid marks on them. It's like lovely.

• 48:27Tucker Carlson?

  So other people's people care are included?

• 48:29Speaker 04

  And their trail of uncleaned asses too. Like, I'm not kidding. This is real. Um, the environment-

• 48:39Tucker Carlson?

  That is, takes a lot to make me feel nauseous, but that's repulsive.

• 48:42Speaker 04

  It's repulsive. That's the word. It's repulsive what they do to you. They give you soap that doesn't lather, courtesy of Bob Barker's company called Maximum Security. They give you toothpaste that doesn't foam when you brush your teeth, courtesy of Maximum Security. Great government, um, um, contract. I mean, it's, it's, it's remarkable. It's, it's just remarkable. You lose your privileges to email. You use your privileges to phone calls. I am subject now to one call every 30 days for 15 minutes and I have to pick who I'm calling in my family. I don't get to call five minutes here. No, it's one call, period. So this is what she did and then named it in the name of protection.

• 49:26Tucker Carlson?

  How does it protect you to limit you to three showers a week and make you wear someone else's dirty boxer shorts?

• 49:31Speaker 04

  Oh, tighty whities, not boxer shorts.

• 49:34Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 49:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, actually. Orange but tighty whities, like, you know, Fruit of the Loom, old school.

• 49:38Tucker Carlson?

  Someone else's orange grape smugglers with someone else's skid marks on them?

• 49:44Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 49:45Tucker Carlson?

  That is cruel and unusual.

• 49:47Speaker 04

  Protection. No, no, no.

• 49:49Tucker Carlson?

  I'd be freestyle. I couldn't handle it.

• 49:51Speaker 04

  No, no, no. That is protection under Kelly Ward- Warden Lynn Kelly at FCI Fairs. And how dare you say that's cruel and unusual? I'm a crybaby. Or as the deputy warden said, I was a princess. Stop being a princess, he said to me. Right? So this is, this is, this is real. This is actually real behavior. And they put you there, give you no information. They peep you. So they put you in a cell that's six by nine. I couldn't do this without touching the walls. You know, the six, six, six feet apart?

• 50:22Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 50:22Speaker 04

  I was, if, if I was really measuring my, my, you know, spread arms distance, I was definitely further than six feet apart from you because I couldn't do that to the wall. So again, you drink water out of a toilet, the top of a toilet, which has a metallic taste. And when you put water in it and you let the cup sit, sediments fall, like these black sediments fall to the bottom of the cup. This is what they're putting you through. Now, my neighbor in the cell next to me, a murderer, who had just killed another inmate months earlier with a pencil. Granted, disciplinary custody, waiting.

• 50:58Tucker Carlson?

  With a pencil?

• 50:58Speaker 04

  With a pencil, stabbing another inmate through the eye with a pencil. This is on the news, by the way. Now, the lovely part about it is the, this inmate is a trans inmate who killed another trans inmate, who the news reported on as a leader activist, native trans leader in their community, God knows where, but failed to disclose that he was a vicious child molester. Okay? The one that got killed. Anyway, perhaps.

• 51:22Tucker Carlson?

  Did you talk to the pencil killer?

• 51:24Speaker 04

  I didn't talk to anybody. They, there's no way to talk other than to scream through your doors.

• 53:56Tucker Carlson?

  Amazing.

• 53:57Speaker 04

  Decent amount. The thing is, I only read that many books because remember that CO I told you about?

• 54:02Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 54:02Speaker 04

  He'd hook me up. I'd get the three books I was entitled to, but then he'd swap me out, you know, within three days for another three.

• 54:09Tucker Carlson?

  That's so nice.

• 54:10Speaker 04

  It's, it's like, but other CEOs wouldn't do it.

• 54:13Tucker Carlson?

  But why would they want to limit the number of books you can read?

• 54:17Speaker 04

  This is gonna be so funny. I don't know to the extent of the F bombs I can drop here.

• 54:20Tucker Carlson?

  Go crazy.

• 54:21Speaker 04

  It's so funny. So my very first book on Genghis Khan, Lords of the Bow.

• 54:29Speaker 04

  The first chapter was cut out of the book and somebody wrote in the beginning of the second chapter, fuck you, figure out what happened in the beginning.

• 54:38Speaker 04

  So you're just like, these people really need help. And then on the very last book of the series, which is Kingdom of Silver, they ripped out the last chapter.

• 54:47Tucker Carlson?

  No way.

• 54:48Speaker 04

  Fuck you, figure out what happened in the end. So I was just like, who the fuck is in this place? It's like, it's madness. It's like.

• 54:57Tucker Carlson?

  Well, criminals are there.

• 54:58Speaker 04

  Well, but I get it, but they're literature criminals too. It was a bad day.

• 55:02Tucker Carlson?

  Literature criminals.

• 55:03Speaker 04

  The books had no cover. I mean, it's like they're ripped off. It's very eccentric. I did do a lot of reading, but it was eccentric reading at best. But you know, that's what I did with my days. And, you know, when, when I wasn't doing that, I was trying to pray because I, I had a really big awakening, a religious awakening. I've strayed so, so far from the principles and the teachings of my family and, and, and literally Jesus Christ and growing up in, in the Catholic church and, you know, baptism, communion, confirmation. I mean, all of those things. I've strayed so far away from it. And I saw

• 55:44Speaker 04

  where it landed me because now I can easily tell you this, it is so much easier to walk in your life with God in it than to ignore it.

• 55:53Tucker Carlson?

  That's right.

• 55:53Speaker 04

  I mean, it is phenomenal. I have my peace with God. I, it was, and I'll tell you the remarkable.

• 56:00Tucker Carlson?

  How did that happen?

• 56:01Speaker 04

  I think it was like day 10 and I had already written my first suicide note. And that's when it.

• 56:07Tucker Carlson?

  What did you say in your suicide note?

• 56:08Speaker 04

  You know, I never read it back, Tucker. It's sitting in a manila envelope in my house. I sealed it, all three of them. And I wrote shoe records as something for me to remember how. Dark it got for me there. I don't think I'm ready today to read it.

• 56:28Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 56:28Speaker 04

  I will one day because I want to. I think I want the world to know what I wrote. Funny enough, the very first one, I write it. I'm so angry. My whole preface, and if I could recall, you know, without, it's a blur, right? But the preface was, I'm gonna kill myself just to fuck with this warden and put a mess in her hand. Look at how desperate I was. I was willing to end my life in my own thoughts to get back at someone who was hurting me.

• 56:55Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 56:56Speaker 04

  That's, that's the level of insanity that you.

• 56:58Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I do think most suicide is an act of aggression against others. I mean, that's pretty common, you know, you're, I'll show them is a common motive.

• 57:07Speaker 04

  That's pretty much where I was at. And it gets to a point where after the first one, I said, what am I doing? I, I, I need help. And I requested, they make you fill out cop outs, which is a former request to staff. So I wrote to the chaplain requesting a Catholic, Roman Catholic Bible and a rosary. So I can pray. The warden didn't approve it, declined both requests. Till this day, I didn't get an answer. Till, I could get all the fucked up books in the world, but I couldn't get a Catholic Bible or a rosary. I requested for the visiting priest that comes to do mass at the prison to visit me in the shoe. She didn't allow it. She denied me the.

• 57:46Tucker Carlson?

  How, on what grounds?

• 57:48Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 57:48Tucker Carlson?

  You weren't there because you broke the rules. You were there because you'd been threatened.

• 57:52Speaker 04

  Well, you should explain that to her as I tried to. I said, this is cruel and unusual.

• 57:57Tucker Carlson?

  Are you gonna make sure she loses her job?

• 57:59Speaker 04

  I told her, I had an outburst by about day, I'm gonna say 35 or 30, somewhere along that range where, you know, after all the meandering bullshit of, you know, it's still under the investigative authorities, blah, blah, blah. And it was like, I, I go into the shoe August 28th. September 23rd, just five days short of a month in, I meet with the FBI. They come to tell me, this is not credible. I think it takes five days later, around the 28th, that email is sent to the facility. Look, we're referring this to the AUSA where we don't find this to be credible, but the AUSA has to decline to prosecute, right?

• 58:41Speaker 04

  At that point, the warden had the discretion, total discretion, to say, okay, I'm sending you back to the camp. But she chose to let the AUSA do their process, which is fine. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt here, but she chose. Knowing there was no threat, she chose to wait for the official process, even though I had screamed till I was blue in my face that it was not credible. There was a former investigation to the same person with similar allegations, and these were just new trumped up ones. That took a process and I, so I want to say, oh, well, that was, let's say, the 28th, I believe, is the day that that email went in. And then by the 17th of, I'm sorry, by the 7th of October,

• 59:26Speaker 04

  I was released a couple, a week later or so, I was released back to the camp. And then 10 days later, I was sent home. But she chose to keep me there, in my opinion. Now, one can argue she was following protocol. I think if two federal officers are telling you that it's not credible and they've done all the due diligence on this, I think it's pretty remarkable that you're going to wait and extend suffering for somebody for another nine days, just because, you know?

• 59:57Tucker Carlson?

  What do you think that was about?

• 59:58Speaker 04

  Well, I was very critical of her. From day one, my very first article, I mean, by the second or third article, I literally, after being there and experiencing the decay in the kitchen, the food issues, the issues with hygiene, the issues with mental health, the issues with medical, the issues with the dorm and sleeping and health and in the environment.

• 1:00:15Tucker Carlson?

  Drugs.

• 1:00:16Speaker 04

  And not drugs, because I only experienced the drug issues across the street. So the issue with the lack of humanity and dehumanizing nature of her facility, I wrote that all down on several different penned articles on the South Shore Press, and it got millions of views. She was mad. Now, I get it. I mean, hell have no, you know, what is it? Fury, like a warden scorn. Well, I guess, or I was gonna say something a lot. You're nice. Let's just say that. I was gonna be as nice as you, but she was mad. Um, and she, she made these choices and she mocked

• 1:00:55Speaker 04

  me in the process to the, to a point where I was losing my mind. So they do executive rounds once a week. I won't say the day, so I don't compromise a facility again in lieu of not compromising officers. Um, and, and the facility, uh, routine, they do rounds once a week in every segment of the facility. So there was the day of the week that they did rounds in the shoe. Now, in the shoe, we're sitting in our cells and there's this metal door, which is blast proof, heavy as hell, with a little drawer. So you can get your trays and when you gotta get out, put your hands backwards through that and get cuffed. Um, and a skinny window about, I wanna say four inches

• 1:01:38Speaker 04

  wide, about 20, 20, 25 inches tall, give or take, that they come in and they peep their eye to see if you're alive, right? And they're doing their rounds and I would always ask, it was around the 30 to 35 or somewhere in between there, I lost my shit. I said, why am I still here? Cause now I had already spoken to the FBI. I knew what they were doing. They said that following Monday, they would send a letter in which in fact they did. So I was furious and I said, and I quote, bitch, you are going to regret fucking with me. And I meant that. And I don't mean it as threatening

• 1:02:19Speaker 04

  her, but I'm going to take her to task. Kelly, Warden Kelly, Lynn Kelly, will be the face of evil, of rotten corrupt of the BOP, if I have it my way. We need to make an example of somebody because if we're going to rehabilitate people in this country, it cannot be at the hands of that woman or people like her. So let that serve as a warning. If you operate like- Warden Kelly does at FCI Farrington, I strongly suggest you fuck off because I'm gonna come for you. I'm going to find you your prison. I'm going to investigate it and I'm going to work tooth and nail to make these changes because we're creating more criminals and recidivism is at an all time high because of how we treat people. We're not giving people

• 1:03:04Speaker 04

  a second chance at life. We're making them better criminals at that or angrier criminals.

• 1:03:08Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. And also, you know, you should take care of the people in your care. Period. That's your, that's your job. That's your obligation.

• 1:03:15Speaker 04

  Medical care.

• 1:03:17Tucker Carlson?

  Treat people with dignity. I totally agree.

• 1:03:20Speaker 04

  So that was a burst, which is totally out of character for me too, because I'm very non-confrontational individual. So for me to get to that.

• 1:03:26Tucker Carlson?

  You're like finding yourself in lockup.

• 1:03:27Speaker 04

  Are you kidding? I mean, I found the courage to literally tell somebody who had all the power in the world to crush me further to fuck off. So, I mean, honestly, it's very liberating because I'm, I'm a very yes, sir, yes, ma'am type of guy. That's kind of like my, my nature. I'm not, I'm not violent. I'm not over overtly aggressive. I'm kind of, you know, mellow. I'm, you know, fun, fat guy. You know, it's like, that's, that's really my nature. So she pushed all my buttons in, in, in general.

• 1:03:57Tucker Carlson?

  How did you get out of solitary?

• 1:04:00Speaker 04

  I don't know. I just know that it's a great story. That day that I got out, October 7th, was the day they were doing executive rounds. So they came, I spoke to three different individuals, the captain, the camp administrator, and the SIS, which is the internal investigations guy. All three of them gave me different answers. I'm not kidding. They all gave me three different answers. And essentially I sat there thinking, I'm so fucked. I got so angry. This was at nine o'clock in the morning. Come later that day at around one, another assistant warden comes by. Actually,

• 1:04:41Speaker 04

  Very straightforward guy. I'm not gonna say he's my favorite, but do you know that guy you don't like, but you appreciate him because he's straightforward? He's honest and he tells you exactly how it is.

• 1:04:51Tucker Carlson?

  Very much. We need people like that.

• 1:04:52Speaker 04

  He's not kind, but he's direct, doesn't mince around, doesn't beat around the bush. He comes and says, hey, so here's the deal. Got an update for you. I'm like, what's up? He's like, uh, did you hear the news? I'm like, uh, no, I heard doom today and three different kinds of doom. So I don't even know which one is true. He's like, ignore all of that. We got the declinations to investigate. I believe we're gonna run an internal administrative process. You're gonna go back to the camp. I said, when? He's like, look, it's Tuesday today, so if they're really fast, probably by the end of the week, but worst case scenario, beginning of next week. I, I had a grin from year to year, like, oh my God, I gotta do at least maybe at worst, I was like, in my head, at worst, I'll do another 10 days in here. I can pull this off. I looked at the books I had selected.

• 1:05:37Speaker 04

  I'm like, I'll make that work. I'll journal some more. I, I had a plan, like a goal, an end in sight. And then that same day at 2:00 PM, when shift changed, the guard comes, bangs on my door and says, pack up, you're getting kicked out. I'm like, to where? And then she's like, to the camp. Where else? I'm like, oh, lovely. I mean, to, don't say that twice. 30 minutes later, she was handcuffing me, putting me out of the door so I can go take off the lovely borrowed clothes and put on my actual clothes.

• 1:06:08Tucker Carlson?

  You gave back the tighty-whities.

• 1:06:09Speaker 04

  Oh, totally. They can keep it.

• 1:06:11Tucker Carlson?

  So what was the worst part of solitary, would you say? What made it, what made you so desperate to leave?

• 1:06:17Speaker 04

  Well, desperate to kill myself.

• 1:06:18Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:19Speaker 04

  The loneliness, the, and, and, and the way I was being treated.

• 1:06:23Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:23Speaker 04

  There, I'll give you this, something so bizarre. On September 10th, I was sitting in my cell, minding my business, thinking, wow, tomorrow's 9/11, what a rough day. And I'm sitting here and like, you know, it's, I'm from New York. It's still very much a somber day for New Yorkers. And

• 1:06:44Speaker 04

  A CEO knocks on my door, says, hey, do you know, did you know Charlie Kirk? I'm like, yeah, I know Charlie. Charlie's Charlie's a fun guy. I've met Charlie throughout the years. He's, I like him. I call him a friend. No, no, no, you knew him. He was just murdered and just walked away. Now you're talking to somebody who's all fucked up 50 shades from Tuesday mentally in a shoe, by myself, no one to talk, can't pick up the phone and make a call to understand what's going on. And they took a glee in my, I was wailing like, what do you mean? Come back here. How do you tell me this and walk away? I was like, losing it, like losing it.

• 1:07:25Speaker 04

  This is a guy that I've always found so inspirational, a young, and I think I said this to you in private once, when I was last here, I think he's going to be a president of the United States. I really thought that.

• 1:07:34Tucker Carlson?

  I did say that.

• 1:07:35Speaker 04

  I really thought he'd be one of a future president of this country. I mean, he had a message, had a purpose and he was good. And, and quite frankly, you can call him a little antagonistic, but who isn't these days?

• 1:07:46Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, of course.

• 1:07:46Speaker 04

  And I love the guy. I think he had a great message of God, freedom. I mean, what else can you expect from somebody?

• 1:07:54Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:07:55Speaker 04

  And the way it was delivered, it was so rough and that didn't help.

• 1:07:59Tucker Carlson?

  How did you get more information about it?

• 1:08:01Speaker 04

  I didn't. So the nice CEO I'm telling about, the two of them, I asked them to look into it. They're not really tuned into politics, but they did some research and they would ever on a day to day, they'd give me like play by play of what they had read. When I say these guys were top notch phenomenal human beings, I mean, top notch phenomenal human beings. They gave me play by play. They told me about the memorial. They told me about the attendance that President Trump spoke, that he was getting awarded the Medal of Free. I, I, I knew all of that through the accounts of these two CEOs that I, I really hope that in, in my life, I crossed paths with them one day because I'd love to thank them appropriately, like a proper thank you for not treating me like a subhuman piece of trash.

• 1:08:44Speaker 04

  Cause they were the only two, everyone else, I was nothing but another number. And being treated in, in certain instances of quite, you know,

• 1:08:54Speaker 04

  Bad, bad. I, I, I struggled to find the words because you know, this facility declined a visit from my family. My partner and my aunt drove three and a half hours each way to go see me, got there and said, no, no, you can't see him today, even though it was visitation day. But they created-

• 1:09:13Tucker Carlson?

  On what grounds?

• 1:09:13Speaker 04

  They created an arbitrary rule. They had not registered, although they were approved and cleared and had visited me in the camp. Now across the street, it's a whole new protocol. I mean, it's not-

• 1:09:24Tucker Carlson?

  They just kill you with bureaucracy.

• 1:09:25Speaker 04

  They, they just make shit up as they go. It's, it's, it's infuriating. Like literally-

• 1:09:29Tucker Carlson?

  There's no oversight, it sounds like.

• 1:09:31Speaker 04

  There's no oversight. The ward, wardens create their own little kingdoms and they rule as little monarchs with no real oversight. Because here's the oversight process. Whenever they're going to be inspected or receive a visit, they clean everything up. They, they put makeup on everything. So when you come down doing that visit, it's, you know, you gotta do surprise visits on these people.

• 1:09:52Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:09:53Speaker 04

  You really want to see how the, how, how, how the house is being run? You can't say that the cat's coming to town. The mice are gonna run away. You gotta let the cat show up and be like, surprise! Because the way they do it is just, it's, it's, it's-

• 1:10:09Tucker Carlson?

  So how did you get out exactly? Can I say one thing before you explain? There was a vibe shift, which you weren't here to see, but you went from being, you know, widely reviled, all these members of Congress denouncing you, everyone making fun of you, to, once you went to prison, there was a sense that like, wait, what's George Santos doing in prison? And it was, it was wild to see it. Tim Burchett, your friend, Congressman Goodman from Tennessee, kind of led the charge on your behalf, but there were a lot of sympathetic ears.

• 1:10:38Speaker 04

  Oh, look.

• 1:10:38Tucker Carlson?

  It was wild. You became more popular, like Alexander Solzhenitsyn, you became more popular in prison.

• 1:10:44Speaker 04

  Oh, look, hey.

• 1:10:47Tucker Carlson?

  Never let a good crisis go to waste, isn't that the saying they see? But I'll say this, from, from Marjorie Taylor Greene, who's a dear friend, to Tim Burchett, who's another dear friend, Lauren Boebert, Anna Paulina-

• 1:10:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:00Tucker Carlson?

  Matt Gaetz-

• 1:11:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:01Tucker Carlson?

  These guys really came like-

• 1:11:03Speaker 04

  They they bad.

• 1:11:04Tucker Carlson?

  Named all the outlaws, by the way.

• 1:11:06Speaker 04

  That's fine. I'm I'm in the book.

• 1:11:07Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, that is a compliment. No, it's like.

• 1:11:09Speaker 04

  We're all in the outlaws book with Steve Bannon.

• 1:11:13Tucker Carlson?

  It's true. Um, they all, all those people have a shot of joining you someday in in the camp.

• 1:11:20Speaker 04

  I hope not.

• 1:11:20Tucker Carlson?

  No, I hope. Oh, gosh, I shouldn't even say that. I hope not, too. But, um, so how did?

• 1:11:25Speaker 04

  So.

• 1:11:26Tucker Carlson?

  Did you get out?

• 1:11:26Speaker 04

  I I don't know till this day. Um, what was a determination? I do know this. I know that that same day I had a legal call with the Joe, my attorney, after I got the three different, like nonsensical BS. And Joe literally said, I'm working, I'm fixing this. I don't know what Joe did, but I will say this. He called everyone and their mother. And he made sure that they knew that the letter is out and the warden is still not being straightforward and forthcoming. And all I know is that within a matter of hours, it went from 1pm saying I'd get out at some point at the end of the week or next week at best, at worst case, to an hour later,

• 1:12:11Speaker 04

  saying goodbye, go back to the camp.

• 1:12:14Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 1:12:14Speaker 04

  And and it's, it was quite an adjustment, you know, um,

• 1:12:20Speaker 04

  there's this, it's, it's perverse is a lack of mental health care they give you. They have three psychologists, in which they should have six. They have no psychiatrists, so they have no prescribing, um, mental health provider. So psychologists give referrals to a physician, which is wild in in the standards of mental health, especially when you're dealing with people who are incarcerated, which guess what? A lot of them are there because of mental health issues.

• 1:12:49Tucker Carlson?

  I believe it.

• 1:12:49Speaker 04

  You know, like, the poor judgment and mental health issues are really what leads to people being incarcerated. But there's really no treatment for that. And.

• 1:12:59Speaker 04

  I get put back in the camp. I couldn't sleep the first three nights. They say totally messed up, but that's fine. At least I'm in the camp. I get to go outside. I get to call my family. I mean, in, in the first day, we, we get allotted 510 minutes a month to make phone calls. In my very first day, when I had access to my phone, I called 120 minutes to my family. I couldn't stop calling. I would call, wait 30 minutes, make another call to someone else. I was just like, couldn't stop calling. I needed to talk to people. I needed to know they were okay. It's like the, the, the anguish of not knowing, I'm a family guy through and through.

• 1:13:40Speaker 04

  And anguish of not knowing what was going on was killing me, like pulling limb from limb inside of me. And I got out and I'm sitting in the camp. Now here's a wild story for you.

• 1:13:53Speaker 04

  Thursday, October 16th. We had a visiting priest. I got ready. We went to mass. I got there. He looked at me and says, you're back. Would you like to do confession? Cause he knew I was in solitary. So I said, you do confession? He's like, of course. I'm like, I'd love to. Do you have the time? And he's like, I'm sure it can't be that bad.

• 1:14:18Speaker 04

  So very friendly priest and I took a liking to him. He's a Jersey guy through and through. No nonsense kind of guy. Like he, he does not accept nonsense, right? Really rough, old school Catholic priest. And I said, oh, I like this guy. So we sit down. It's, it's still lengthy confession.

• 1:14:36Speaker 04

  Took almost an hour.

• 1:14:38Tucker Carlson?

  So you got pretty detailed.

• 1:14:39Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, mortal sins are mortal sins. You gotta go at one by one. You can't just be, you know,

• 1:14:45Tucker Carlson?

  I'm with you.

• 1:14:45Speaker 04

  You can't just do an overcap or a review.

• 1:14:49Tucker Carlson?

  I've been naughty doesn't suffice.

• 1:14:50Speaker 04

  You, oh priest, I've been so naughty. He's like, you know how mortal sins work, right? You need to tell me in great detail. I'm like, okay. It's almost like gossip at that point, but um, I sat there. I go through this process that I had not done in at least two years or if not more. It felt great. I go to mass, I take communion and then we do a rosary at the end. And it was just so nice. I left that feeling like I had squared away a large part of my life. And it just felt good, so good. I woke up the next day, had this immense resolve on October 17th, that everything would be okay, that even if I had to sit there for seven years, I would be okay.

• 1:15:35Speaker 04

  I would not be in pain, I would not be in anguish. I was ready for whatever the road ahead was. So much so that I, we, we had something called Coffee Club that Sam Mealy started, my former employee. And we would just wake up at seven, a lot of us woke up early, but at seven o'clock, we would all meet in the library with coffee or tea, I'm a tea guy, and you know, coffee cake or whatever is the cakes that, you know, Sam was hoarding for Coffee Club, from everybody's breakfast bags that didn't want them. And we'd sat, we'd sit there every morning, a group of like five of us, everybody was welcome to come, but only five people or so would show up. You can't even get prisoners to coalesce, trust me. They have no options to do anything else,

• 1:16:16Speaker 04

  but they still don't show up to stuff when it's available. So we sat there and I said to him, like, dude, I feel so good. He's like, what do you mean? I'm like, I don't know, I woke up feeling this resolve, like it's all gonna be okay. And he's like, well, that's good, but you know, that's strange at the same time, which it is, you're in prison, you're not supposed to feel that way.

• 1:16:35Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:16:35Speaker 04

  We had this conversation.

• 1:16:36Tucker Carlson?

  It sounds supernatural.

• 1:16:38Speaker 04

  Very like, I felt comfortable saying it.

• 1:16:40Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:16:40Speaker 04

  And, and it felt good to say it. And I did my prayer and then I get called in the PA. And then everybody like kind of stiffens, like, oh my God. I'm like, oh, please don't let it mean me going back to the shoe, because that's how initially it was. I was called in the PA and they're like, oh, you gotta be seen at the J building, which is a facility building. And I never came back, right? Forty one days later. So I stiffened and I said, well, God's on my side. I don't care. I confidently like marched to go see what it was. Turns out it was a subpoena from Congress that Tim Burchard and Lauren Boebert had. Send to the facility for me and the warden to go testify to the oversight committee under the conditions of my imprisonment.

• 1:17:25Speaker 04

  And I had to sign and agree for acceptance.

• 1:17:27Tucker Carlson?

  She must hate you.

• 1:17:29Speaker 04

  I gotta tell you, I know that's still happening too. So, and it's funny because as I'm reading this, the camp, um, the camp case manager goes to me, you sure you want to do this? I think it's a good idea. I'm like, oh, it's a great idea. I, he's like, you might want to fly under the radar. I'm like, no, I don't.

• 1:17:51Tucker Carlson?

  How's that working for you?

• 1:17:52Speaker 04

  I mean, I mean, no, I don't. And I signed it. I consent, I, I did all the paperwork and I left with a grin from the, his office from year to year. Went to my friends, the coffee, I was like, what happened? I'm like, I just got subpoenaed to go to Congress. They're like, what? I'm like, I'm freaking making changes from in here. Like, I was just like, I have a date with this bitch in Congress. That's my ground. That's my turf. And I'm in my head, I'm like, oh, Kelly, you have no idea what you just got yourself into. And I was so happy about it because it's about fairness for me. And I just proceeded my day, right? So walking the track, played a little ping pong on this like really at best makeshift ping pong table.

• 1:18:36Speaker 04

  Like we, I had a normal day, read a little bit of my book, called home. So it's around six o'clock. I, we got our commissary sheet. So I was, you know, budgeting, figuring out what I needed to do. And I'm filling it out in this computer room where we have our computers to do our core links, communications with our family. The light there is a lot brighter. I'm getting old, my glasses suck and I needed bright lights. So I'm filling this commissary sheet out and I, and then it comes in like, oh, you were just on TV. I'm like, I don't care. I don't really pay attention to me on TV. It's Darryl was shitting on me or whatever. So uninterested in about 30 minutes later, the entire cafeteria erupted in.

• 1:19:16Speaker 04

  That son of a bitch, where the fuck is Santos? Santos, come over, you motherfucker, you were holding out on us. You going home, N word. I'm like, what? Like, what's going on? So I go out, I'm like, stop, you guys are misunderstanding this. And the Chyron on MSNBC says, disgraced former rep George Santos commuted, soon to be released, according to Trump.

• 1:19:43Tucker Carlson?

  And that was the first you heard?

• 1:19:44Speaker 04

  That was the first I heard.

• 1:19:45Tucker Carlson?

  Nobody told you this was coming?

• 1:19:46Speaker 04

  No, nobody knew that day, nobody knew.

• 1:19:49Tucker Carlson?

  You heard the news in the commissary from MSNBC?

• 1:19:52Speaker 04

  From MSNBC.

• 1:19:53Tucker Carlson?

  Why are they playing MSNBC?

• 1:19:54Speaker 04

  Well, there's, like I said, there's the black TV and they particularly like watching.

• 1:20:00Tucker Carlson?

  Do they really?

• 1:20:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, if it's either not on BET or on like a movie channel with like awful B rated movies, it's on MSNBC, that TV.

• 1:20:09Tucker Carlson?

  That's where the audience is, because I wondered that, who watches? So it's prison. But only on the black TV.

• 1:20:15Speaker 04

  I guess so.

• 1:20:17Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 1:20:18Speaker 04

  The white TV remarkably stays a lot on Fox, by the way.

• 1:20:20Tucker Carlson?

  I'm not surprised.

• 1:20:21Speaker 04

  I was not shocked either. There was like a debate about where I should watch TV.

• 1:20:26Tucker Carlson?

  And where'd the Spanish TV go?

• 1:20:27Speaker 04

  Spanish TV usually stayed either on Telemundo or Univision, like very, very Hispanic.

• 1:20:34Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 1:20:34Speaker 04

  Rarely did it go anywhere else other than those two channels. So I, I'm sitting there looking at this Chyron for a split second, I'm like apoplectic, like, what? Nobody told me anything, somebody should have called me. And then I think, I'm like, wait, nobody can make an inbound call. So I run to the emails, there's nothing there because emails take about an hour and a half to, to get to you of a delay because it needs to be vetted through security. So if you sent me something an hour and a half before I get it, and then if I send your response another hour and a half before you get it, because everything is monitored. And I can understand that because of criminal conduct and activity after all. You're monitoring criminals.

• 1:21:12Tucker Carlson?

  Right. It's a prison.

• 1:21:13Speaker 04

  So it's a prison. So I, I, I, I just like, I was, I didn't know what to do. So I called home. I called my, my partner. I called Matt. I'm like, Matt, what's going on? He's like hysterical, like, I just spoke to President Trump. It's over. I'm coming to pick you up. I'm like, wha- what do you mean? You spoke to President Trump? I didn't even think about going, I'm like, he called you? I was like absolutely nuts about it. Like, wait, President Trump called Matt before he called me?

• 1:21:39Tucker Carlson?

  Well, you were in prison.

• 1:21:40Speaker 04

  Well, I'm still mad that he got the phone call first. So I, I hang up the phone and Tucker, I break down.

• 1:21:48Tucker Carlson?

  I bet.

• 1:21:49Speaker 04

  I mean, I couldn't stop. It was like a probably an hour. I was ugly, snotty, crying in that phone stall, head down, like my head and, and all this, all these thoughts inundated my body, my soul. I, I, I'm going home and it was just, I didn't know this was gonna happen. I, I had really made peace with the fact that this was my predicament just that morning.

• 1:22:19Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:20Speaker 04

  And to tell me that there is no divine intervention in this, I will never accept that because there was no palpable appetite to give me clemency, according to every single person I had spoken to.

• 1:22:34Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:35Speaker 04

  And the day after I go to confession and I square away my quarrels and my, my pendenances with Jesus Christ, I get commuted by President Trump. I mean, I am forever humbled to the president.

• 1:22:46Tucker Carlson?

  It's incredible.

• 1:22:47Speaker 04

  It's a remarkable story and, and I don't believe, I don't do coincidences anymore.

• 1:22:51Tucker Carlson?

  No, of course.

• 1:22:52Speaker 04

  This was proof. If I ever needed proof, God's in your life. If you really make your pledge to him, this was it. I needed this probably. And I'm not saying because it's so self-serving. No. He purposely said, you do right by me. I'm giving you a second chance.

• 1:23:09Tucker Carlson?

  The second you just surrendered to it.

• 1:23:10Speaker 04

  I could, I just.

• 1:23:11Tucker Carlson?

  It was resolved.

• 1:23:12Speaker 04

  I just could not. There was nothing else to do. I mean, I, I, I, I said, I think I cried all the tears that I had for the rest of the year, that hour. It was.

• 1:23:21Tucker Carlson?

  So how long was it till you got out?

• 1:23:23Speaker 04

  So that was around six, six thirty-ish, right? When I called home, um.

• 1:23:29Speaker 04

  It was 11:30. I was

• 1:23:31Tucker Carlson?

  That night you were out.

• 1:23:32Speaker 04

  That night, 11:30. I was walking out and my phone came in the car and I was already dialing. Like, the first call I made was Marjorie Taylor Greene at the assistance of Matt, who was prolific on Call Marjorie. I want people to know this because it's important to me.

• 1:23:52Speaker 04

  I used to say that if you want a friend in DC, get a dog, not realizing I actually had real friends. Because it's, you measure a friendship, not on how much you see one another, because we all have busy lives.

• 1:24:02Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:24:03Speaker 04

  You measure a friend on when you're in your worst and how they come through for you.

• 1:24:07Tucker Carlson?

  Loyalty, exactly.

• 1:24:09Speaker 04

  She was on the phone with Matt every single day, checking in to see how he was doing, giving him updates, talking to my sister. Literally, she didn't have to do that. She yielded nothing from it. This is a woman who will go out of her way for her friends and for what she believes in. And it pains me to see that so many people want to attack her. Now, I can understand politics.

• 1:24:34Tucker Carlson?

  Why are they attacking Marjorie? I don't understand that.

• 1:24:36Speaker 04

  It's been 11 days and I still haven't wrapped my head around it, but I'll say this. There's no bigger supporter of President Trump that I served with. And I'm saying this to the detriment of getting other colleagues and friends of mine mad at me, but there was no bigger loyalist to President Trump than Marjorie Taylor Greene in my time in Congress. I've known her since 2020, and I can tell you with good faith, she is a loyal soldier. She means well, and she wants the best for our country, no matter what. And I think that to conflate that with any other issues that you might want to find a singularity with her, it is your problem, not her problem. So I say-

• 1:25:16Tucker Carlson?

  She's not in it for herself.

• 1:25:17Speaker 04

  It's a you problem, not a her problem. And I just want the record to reflect-

• 1:25:22Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you for saying that. No, it's important to me just because I know so many members of Congress, and she's in the tiny, tiny, tiny handful I respect and love as people. And she's just a really great person. Like, I really think a lot of her.

• 1:25:35Speaker 04

  I say it. She played therapist, best friend, mother, all of those roles-

• 1:25:42Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:25:42Speaker 04

  -to my family. And for that, I'm forever indebted because- You can only dream of having that level of friendship with someone in your darkest moments, when you're absent from your family and someone steps in and takes a position of counseling and consoling your family. That's a true friend. Everything else is garbage and that's wealth.

• 1:26:08Tucker Carlson?

  That's amazing.

• 1:26:09Speaker 04

  Material wealth isn't wealth. I learned this in prison. Watches, jewelry, all of that stuff, nice cars, flashy homes. It's not wealth, Tucker.

• 1:26:18Tucker Carlson?

  Doesn't mean shit.

• 1:26:19Speaker 04

  Doesn't mean crap.

• 1:26:21Tucker Carlson?

  Yep, I agree.

• 1:26:21Speaker 04

  Wealth, your family, your friends, your health, that's real wealth. And I want to measure my wealth that way, moving forward, because there's no point in measuring it the way I used to measure it.

• 1:26:33Tucker Carlson?

  Prison was amazing for you. As much, as much suffering as you went through, it sounds like it was transformative.

• 1:26:38Speaker 04

  It was absolutely a wake up call. It gave me everything I needed to look into the mirror and look at the man staring back to realize you're in trouble. You've done A, B, C, D, E, F, G wrong. And

• 1:26:55Tucker Carlson?

  Wow. That's the beginning of wisdom and freedom.

• 1:26:58Speaker 04

  That's, that's the point. I feel for the first time in my life, free. Free of, I have no reservations to what I'll say. I have no reservations of what I care of what society thinks of me. And I don't want to fit your social normative, whatever bullshit. I want to embrace the better parts of life. And those to me are my family, my friends, my health, my pets. That's what, I don't care. I don't need to live in the most beautiful house at the most beautiful curb appeal. I don't have to drive the nicest cars. I don't have to have the fanciest shoes. None of that matters.

• 1:27:36Speaker 04

  I lost complete and total interest after being encapsulated and captured by the consumer mind virus of I must buy the whatever couture and I have to have the two, $3,000 suits and the $800 The fuck are we doing?

• 1:27:55Tucker Carlson?

  I agree.

• 1:27:56Speaker 04

  It's like so sobering. It's almost like as if I've lived drunk my entire life. And I became sober for the first time.

• 1:28:05Tucker Carlson?

  Are you sure you weren't in a monastery? Are you sure it was prison?

• 1:28:08Speaker 04

  I'm telling you.

• 1:28:09Tucker Carlson?

  So cleansing.

• 1:28:10Speaker 04

  I'm telling you, it was cleansing. It was, it's, I feel, I wake up every day. I've, I've now reassumed my position of going to mass every Sunday. It's been two Sundays I'm out. I'm at mass. The priest is apoplectic that he sees me there. I'm singing, I'm praying as loud as, as loud as the 80 little, 80 year old like Bible thumper next to me. I am, I'm proud to be there. I am proud to, to literally partake in what I believe saved my life. And I will forever do it. I will forever.

• 1:28:43Tucker Carlson?

  You're making me emotional. No, it's beautiful.

• 1:28:45Speaker 04

  It, it's just absolutely bizarre. Like all it took was you falling that, you had to hit rock bottom sometimes.

• 1:28:53Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:28:54Speaker 04

  In order to realize what you have.

• 1:28:57Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:28:57Speaker 04

  And I thank God and I thank God profoundly for letting me hit rock bottom because if not, I would still be spiraling out of absolute control in a ball of chaos like I was prior to going to prison.

• 1:29:10Tucker Carlson?

  I've been there. Uh, that is, what an amazing story.

• 1:29:15Tucker Carlson?

  So where did you go your first night?

• 1:29:17Speaker 04

  Home. I went home. I slept in my bed. I took a shower, an hour long shower with no flip flops, no concerns of the soap falling on the dirty floor, actual shampoo and all like, like I put on every cosmetic product I had in the bathroom. Ooh, was this a face scrub? Ooh, a body scrub? I had the loofah going on. I was like, I need to do everything in here. Like it just felt so liberating and I cried in the shower and it was, it wasn't tears of pain. It was tears of joy, like the simplest thing, a shower. A shower and then what do I want to eat sushi?

• 1:30:00Speaker 04

  The next day I woke up, I said, I need to have sushi. I need guarantees that I'm eating something that was barely dead before I consumed it. Because I was so tired.

• 1:30:08Tucker Carlson?

  Not expired sushi.

• 1:30:09Speaker 04

  Frozen, expired, I couldn't do it anymore. So I said, I need sushi. So we got really good sushi, had a great time. And I've been nonstop, believe it or not, it's, it's been as if I've never left almost because I've, you go right into the media cycle and you're traveling and you're talking and you're doing these interviews. But this is the first long format interview I do. And, and I reserved it for you because I thought it was appropriate. When I spoke to your booker and, and your, your staff, I, I said, yes, right away. Because I said, I finished all of it at Tucker. I gave you the last word and I only thought it'd be great to give you the first word, long format. Cause it, you can do five, six, seven minute hits. You know what they're like.

• 1:30:54Speaker 04

  You don't get anything out of them.

• 1:30:56Tucker Carlson?

  So you can't tell the story. And I just, I know I just, I said this at the beginning, but I, I just didn't think we were going to see you for all years.

• 1:31:04Speaker 04

  The fact that it's not seven years later. So I guess there's something to be said from 84, 80, from 87 months to 84 days. But I, I can tell you, the 84 days made such a difference. Mainly the torturous nature of isolation and the dehumanizing nature of which I was treated. Really put my entire life back into perspective for me. It, it's almost as if it was the worst thing that's ever happened to me.

• 1:31:38Speaker 04

  But at the same time, worked almost as a blessing.

• 1:31:42Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I believe that.

• 1:31:43Speaker 04

  And I'm, I, I live in the in-between gray, trying to figure out if I hate it or I love it. And I don't know yet. Maybe with throughout the years, I'll figure that out, but I, I still resent it very much. And it brings me great pause when I think of the following. If they can do this to me.

• 1:32:04Tucker Carlson?

  Well, exactly. That's exactly right.

• 1:32:06Speaker 04

  If they can do this to me,

• 1:32:07Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:32:08Speaker 04

  Imagine what other people are going to do.

• 1:32:10Tucker Carlson?

  I've been thinking that through your entire narrative. You know, you're a very famous person, member of Congress, know everybody, obviously highly motivated, very resistant to being bossed around. So you're like their nightmare and they still treated you this way. Imagine if you were just some guy.

• 1:32:28Speaker 04

  I mean, imagine the horror stories. Now it puts into perspective that I've always listened to two, I'm very guilty of this. Every time I've ever worded the words, oh, we need prison reform. Like, who cares? It's a bunch of prisoners.

• 1:32:41Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:32:41Speaker 04

  It's a bunch of criminals. Who cares? They should be thankful they're not dead. We should give them the chair. Like, I would say outrageous things like that.

• 1:32:49Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 1:32:49Speaker 04

  And now I sit here and I think, wow, now I understand what they were talking about and we can't discount people's pain and suffering.

• 1:32:56Tucker Carlson?

  Totally agree.

• 1:32:57Speaker 04

  And I-

• 1:32:59Tucker Carlson?

  It's not a liberal position. It's a Christian position and you have to treat people with dignity, even wrongdoers. And by the way, we're all wrongdoers if we're going to be honest about it.

• 1:33:07Speaker 04

  You know what my stance is? I'm pro-life.

• 1:33:10Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:33:10Speaker 04

  Not just, not just for the unborn.

• 1:33:13Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree.

• 1:33:13Speaker 04

  I disagree with death sentences. And a lot of people get on me for that. If I disagree with ending the life of an unborn child, what makes you think I'm going to agree with taking the life of a fully developed human? I believe in punishment. I believe in incarceration. I believe if you kill, you know, you are a danger to society. You should be put away, but I don't think you should be-

• 1:33:35Tucker Carlson?

  That's the point. We're not allowed to kill.

• 1:33:36Speaker 04

  We're not supposed to kill.

• 1:33:38Tucker Carlson?

  We are not, no.

• 1:33:39Speaker 04

  And we need to end the practices of death penalty, in my opinion.

• 1:33:42Tucker Carlson?

  And the culture of death.

• 1:33:43Speaker 04

  It needs to be revisited. It really does.

• 1:33:45Tucker Carlson?

  It treats people like objects. No, I completely vehemently agree with you. So what, so you were out of circulation for a while. You're obviously very connected and like on everything in normal life. Then you're just like off grid, literally in the shoe.

• 1:34:01Tucker Carlson?

  What did you notice about the changes that took place in the months that you were gone? Did you notice a different country when you get back?

• 1:34:07Speaker 04

  Totally. I'm still trying to struggle with two things.

• 1:34:10Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 1:34:11Speaker 04

  Two very big things. I left and we were celebrating President Trump and now I come back, there's this weird segment of social media who are all these conservative influencers taking dunks on the president, which I'm like, super like, lost at. And it all spans from Israel and Palestine.

• 1:34:32Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, it does.

• 1:34:32Speaker 04

  And I look at that. I'm pretty Zion. I'm a pretty prolific Zionist, okay? But I've also learned throughout the last few months that I don't want my president to be at the mercy of a prime minister who is toxic and causing great pain to our country now because President Trump goes out there, puts his neck on the line, does an amazing formidable peace deal. Amazing. Like something extraordinary. I mean, the man deserves a Nobel Prize. I don't care what anybody says. I don't care what the liberal bench of the Nobel Prize Association, or whatever you call them, think. The reality is Donald Trump is a peace president. He wants

• 1:35:16Speaker 04

  to broker deals of peace and end war. He does this extraordinary measure, is now working towards putting the conflict of Ukraine, Russia to an end. Hopefully, we can achieve that. Only to see that people like Bibi Netanyahu are sabotaging that. I'm concerned.

• 1:35:36Tucker Carlson?

  It's shocking.

• 1:35:36Speaker 04

  It's shocking because he should be grateful because President Trump is going out of his way, doing a formidable job.

• 1:35:43Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:43Speaker 04

  And this is how you repay him?

• 1:35:45Tucker Carlson?

  Spending all this time, all this money, trying to fix other people's problems.

• 1:35:49Speaker 04

  Time is a commodity that not a lot of us can afford. So I have have to come to realization, despite being a staunch defender of Israel and the Jewish people and their right to exist and their right to be in Israel. I, at the same time now, live in a place where I think it's time BB move on. He has become toxic.

• 1:36:10Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:36:10Speaker 04

  He has become pretty much the merchant of death, almost, the face of it.

• 1:36:15Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:36:15Speaker 04

  Um, on both sides, every Israeli soldier and family and every Palestinian soldier and Hamas terrorist and family, although I'm not too sympathetic for the terrorists.

• 1:36:25Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:26Speaker 04

  Um, quite frankly, the only good terrorists alive, uh, the only good terrorists in my world are the ones that are not alive.

• 1:36:31Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:32Speaker 04

  Even though I have this profound opinion of death and life and that we should not kill. But there's a special place in hell for terrorists.

• 1:36:42Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:42Speaker 04

  Let's just put it that way, especially after what I saw when I was in Congress after the initial October 7th attack.

• 1:36:47Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:47Speaker 04

  The video, I'm sure you saw the video. The baby and, you know, that, I, I, that stayed in my nightmares for quite some time.

• 1:36:54Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:36:55Speaker 04

  So I, I, every single death at this point, I think is easily being attributed to BB because he, he has overstepped and.

• 1:37:06Tucker Carlson?

  Well, yeah.

• 1:37:07Speaker 04

  And in, in two months and a half that I've been gone, it gave me so much clarity because I was out of the rhetoric machine. I was out of the spin room and I'm just like, my president is going to bat for a man that is not being forthcoming with him.

• 1:37:23Tucker Carlson?

  At all.

• 1:37:24Speaker 04

  At all.

• 1:37:25Tucker Carlson?

  It's humiliating.

• 1:37:26Speaker 04

  And, and, you know, I don't like it. I don't like it. I'm very protective of my country. I'm very protective of President Trump because President Trump is somebody and everybody is saying, oh, you're gonna now go simp for him. I'm sorry, I've been simping, whatever that means, for Trump since 2015, since he came down the golden escalators. Like, there's just, stop, you're, you're barking up the wrong tree. I am a big fan, there's very little he can do at this point, and, and I mean very little he can do that would make me not like him. I mean, I don't think there's a lot, he can't, if he kills somebody, depending on who it is, I might be like, wow, that person had it coming. I'm kidding, I'm not there yet.

• 1:38:05Tucker Carlson?

  No, but watching someone you love and admire, to whom you're grateful, Trump. Mistreated by an ungrateful foreigner whose salary we pay is like, is beyond.

• 1:38:14Speaker 04

  It's, it's just, it's gotten to a point where I, and then there's also this other aspect of this, which is anybody who says what I'm saying now gets accused of being on the Qatari payroll.

• 1:38:25Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:25Speaker 04

  So I'm sure, I, I.

• 1:38:26Tucker Carlson?

  I've been there, Mr. Santos.

• 1:38:28Speaker 04

  By the way, the check has not hit my mailbox.

• 1:38:32Speaker 04

  So.

• 1:38:32Tucker Carlson?

  It's like, at this point, I, yeah, well, tell me about it.

• 1:38:36Speaker 04

  And then the second thing.

• 1:38:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:37Speaker 04

  To, to, to really bring it to perspective is, what are we doing in this country to really fix anything? The government shutdown, Schumer won't, Schumer wants to make this the Republican shutdown so bad.

• 1:38:52Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:52Speaker 04

  It's almost like Gretchen Wiener in Mean Girls trying to make fetch happen. It ain't gonna happen. It's, it's not gonna happen. So I don't know how so much has changed in two and a half months, but I'm here. I mean, I'm literally living an existential crisis in my life right now in New York City. I'm at the precipice of having a actual dangerous man become the mayor.

• 1:39:20Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:39:20Speaker 04

  Of the largest city in the country that is responsible for 10% of the American GDP,

• 1:39:27Speaker 04

  become mayor of a $118 billion annual budget. We're leaving by all barometers. I mean, do you know how I, I check out my barometers now or not polls anymore? I just go to Polymarket.

• 1:39:42Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:42Speaker 04

  When you look at Polymarket and it's a 93% chance that this Mondami guy is gonna win. Let me tell you something, Mondami is the next mayor of New York City. There's no wishful thinking, there's no, no sensational ads or, or, or sensational headlines on the New York Post that are gonna say Cuomo eats 10% of Mondami's, uh, lead narrowing the gap. Hello, wake up, it's over. I, I've learned this throughout the last year. I have yet to see Polymarket get something wrong.

• 1:40:11Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 1:40:11Speaker 04

  And when I see something like that, it's over. So I'm, I, and I don't get paid by them to say that, by the way.

• 1:40:18Tucker Carlson?

  No, I get it.

• 1:40:18Speaker 04

  I'm just making this very. Clear. It is over. It's it's cooked. So I look at this.

• 1:40:24Tucker Carlson?

  And you're leaving New York.

• 1:40:25Speaker 04

  Oh, it's over. I had thirty seven years, New York City resident, born and raised in Queens, New York City. I have lived in various parts of Queens throughout my life, but I'm originally from Jackson Heights, Queens. Proud of it. My aunt still lives there. She's lived there for forty years. My dad still lives there. He's lived there for forty years. I have no desire whatsoever to stay in New York City or New York State at that because it doesn't matter if you're fleeing the insanity of a madman in the city when you have, I I I lose the words to describe our governor. So I'll just leave it at you have literally two Looney Tunes running, the state and the city.

• 1:41:06Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:41:07Speaker 04

  Where do you go? I'm not staying there. So I'm so happy we're leaving. I mean, I'm literally actively packing. We're packing. We already know where we're going. We're.

• 1:41:16Tucker Carlson?

  You're leaving the state.

• 1:41:17Speaker 04

  We're totally leaving the state. We're going down south. We're leaving the state. There's nothing left for me there at all. It's.

• 1:41:24Tucker Carlson?

  Shocking.

• 1:41:25Speaker 04

  And I love New York. New York's.

• 1:41:28Speaker 04

  My image is largely tied to being a New Yorker, you know, tell it how it is.

• 1:41:32Tucker Carlson?

  You're offended to go to prison in New Jersey. That's what a New Yorker you are. You're like a bridge and tunnel prisoner.

• 1:41:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm like, I still am offended that he sent me to Jersey. I should have gone to Otisville.

• 1:41:45Speaker 04

  My point is, this is how serious it is to me. So this is another big change. It's an existential one for me. I'm uprooting my life. I'm moving far away from my family because there's, I mean, my poor aunt, she just retired. She she she set up, she's well retired. So there's no point in her moving. My dad's about to retire in two years. There's no point in him getting up to move, you know, like they're they're rooted there. I'm not. I'm thirty seven. I'll put my roots elsewhere. I'll uproot it. I don't care. And it's not a place to raise a family. We're looking to adopt kids next year because we think it's time to like, help kids who are abandoned in foster care. Let's let's adopt two kids, give them a life, put them through school, give them whatever they want, education, give them a fair shake instead of letting them become a statistic. But I don't

• 1:42:30Speaker 04

  want them to grow up in a place like New York City.

• 1:42:32Tucker Carlson?

  What do you think's gonna happen to New York?

• 1:42:35Speaker 04

  At first. There's going to be the sticker shock of taxes being raised on the wealthy, but he's categorizing the wealthy people who make over 400,000 a year, which in New York, net, you're making about 270. And then about 40% of that goes to, you know, housing, you know, lodging costs, whether rent or mortgage, whatever that makeup is, you're not really wealthy. Now you're going to pay an additional 1% so that we can have inefficient free buses? Cause you're not going to get better because they're free. They're just going to get worse, in my opinion. And it's, that's going to be the start. Then you have John Catsimatidis, who's a prolific businessman in New York City,

• 1:43:16Speaker 04

  who's made it abundantly clear, he's going to take his Red Apple Group and dip New York. And along with it, he's going to close his historic grocery chain because he can't compete, Christides can't compete with a city-owned supermarket. There's just no way. So what's the point? So there goes countless jobs. You're going to see every single major corporation start uprooting out of New York. Pretty soon, they're going to leave the stock exchange to the dust mites and whoever dares venture into the city. Just remember, Ken Griffin picked up and left Chicago and took Citadel with him to Florida.

• 1:43:51Tucker Carlson?

  And they yelled at him, but he went anyway.

• 1:43:52Speaker 04

  You know, guess what? JB Prickser can be fat and loud and a billionaire, but he doesn't tell what other people do with their businesses. So when you see an example of that happening in Chicago with Ken Griffin, it should raise flags. Goldman Sachs moved GSAM, their asset management division, all but their retail-facing people out of New York to Brickell, Florida. Like that division, the only people who stayed in New York of their main, the heart of Goldman Sachs, which is GSAM, their asset management division, it's mainly the frontline people who stay. Like the people who have the day-to-day, because the wealth is still in New York today. It's still there, but the operations end of it is in Brickell largely.

• 1:44:35Speaker 04

  Like, when you see these moves being made and you still want to talk about raising the corporate tax by 2%, you're either dumb, deaf, blind, or all of the above. Because there's just no way you think people are going to stay and corporations are going to be beholden to stay in the state of New York if you make it even less business-friendly. We have had a net loss of over 600,000 people in the course of the last five years. In New York State, we're a large exporter of outmigration from the state. Lee Zeldin could have been governor if it wasn't for the 400,000 people who at that point in 2022 had fled to Florida due to the pandemic. He almost did it. He got that close.

• 1:45:18Speaker 04

  We have Elise Stefanic, who's a phenomenal Congresswoman who has a shot. But I fear that with this outmigration that's going to occur after Mondami, it might hurt our electability unless Democrats finally see they messed up and they actually give it.

• 1:45:32Tucker Carlson?

  Why would they? I mean, they never do. No one ever apologizes for anything. It just keeps moving in that direction.

• 1:45:38Speaker 04

  It's remarkable. New York City is going to become Gotham, and I'm not willing to be the Penguin. You can go be Batman.

• 1:45:47Tucker Carlson?

  George Santos, this story ended in a way I could never have predicted, but so much better than I ever would have hoped. And I just, what a blessing. And you seem like a man transformed through suffering.

• 1:45:59Speaker 04

  Well, that's not the easiest way to transform.

• 1:46:03Tucker Carlson?

  No, it's the only way.

• 1:46:04Speaker 04

  It's the only way, yeah. And it's, you know what? It paid off in a weird way at the end, and I'm grateful. Thanks to God and thanks to President Trump and to everybody who helped and walked that long path with me. And it's great to be here with you.

• 1:46:16Tucker Carlson?

  Amen.

• 1:46:17Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:46:18Tucker Carlson?

  Great to see you.

• 1:46:19Speaker 04

  Good to see you. Thank you.

• 1:46:21Tucker Carlson?

  We've got a new website we hope you will visit. It's called newcommissionnow.com, and it refers to a new 9/11 commission. So we spent months putting together our 9/11 documentary series. And if there's one thing we learned, it's that in fact, there was foreknowledge of the attacks. People knew. The American public deserves to know. We're shocked, actually, to learn that, to have that confirmed, but it's true. The evidence is overwhelming. The CIA, for example, knew the hijackers were here in the United States. They knew they were planning an act of terror.

• 1:47:00Speaker 05

  In his passport is a visa to go to the United States of America.

• 1:47:04Tucker Carlson?

  A foreign national was caught celebrating as the World Trade Center fell and later said he was in New York, quote, "to document..." The event. I didn't know there would be an event to document in the first place because he had foreknowledge. And maybe most amazingly, somebody, an unknown investor, shorted American Airlines and United Airlines, the companies whose planes the attackers used on 9/11, as well as the banks that were inside the Twin Towers just before the attacks. They made money on the 9/11 attacks because they knew they were coming. Who did that? You have to look at the evidence. The US government learned the name of that investor, but never released it.

• 1:47:45Tucker Carlson?

  Maybe there's an instant explanation for all this, but there isn't, actually. And by the way, it doesn't matter whether there is or not. The public deserves to know what the hell that was. How did people know ahead of time, oh, I was no one ever punished for it? 9/11 Commission, the original one, was a fraud. It was fake. Its conclusions were written before the investigation. That's true, and it's outrageous. This country needs a new 9/11 Commission, one that actually tells the truth and tries to get to the bottom of the story. We can't just move on like nothing happened.

• 1:48:18Speaker 05

  9/11 Commission is a cover.

• 1:48:21Tucker Carlson?

  Something did happen. We need to force a new investigation into 9/11 almost 25 years later. Sorry, justice demands it. And if you want that, go to newcommissionnow.com to add your name to our petition. We're not getting paid for this. We're doing this because we really mean it. Newcommissionnow.com.