#1029 Colton Sakamoto & Kenny DeGiglio On The 5 Proven Ways To Get A Job In Crypto Now

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• 0:02Anthony Pompliano?

  What's up everyone, this is Anthony Pompliano. Most of you know me as Pomp. You're listening to the Pomp Podcast, simply the best podcast out there. Now let's kick this thing off. Kenny DeGilio and Colton Sakamoto both work with me on building out a three-week intensive training program that allows anyone in the world, whether you have any knowledge about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies or not, to get up to speed on the industry and eventually be prepared to go get a job. In this conversation, we cover many of the best practices and tips on how people can get a job in the Bitcoin and crypto industry. We've now helped nearly 1,000 people over the last 18 months get a job. And so we don't have all the answers, but we definitely have seen a number of ways that people have done this successfully. I really enjoyed this conversation with both Colton and Kenny, and I hope you guys enjoy

• 0:46Anthony Pompliano?

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• 2:15Anthony Pompliano?

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• 2:53Speaker 01

  Anthony Pompliano runs Pomp Investments. All views of him and the guests on his podcast are solely their opinions and do not reflect the opinions of Pomp Investments. You should not treat any opinion expressed by Pomp or his guests as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression of his personal opinion. This podcast is for informational purposes only.

• 3:17Anthony Pompliano?

  What's up, fellas? For those that don't know, Kenny and Colton are part of the team that has helped, I think now, what are we at? Almost 1,000? Nearly 1,000? About 1,000? Somewhere around 1,000? People get a job in the Bitcoin and crypto industry. There's a number of different ways that we've done it, but we're going to talk about what some of the key tips are. So Kenny, maybe we start with like, what's the first one? There's five of these that we're going to go over.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, these are five. There's a bunch more, but these are like five of the most common ones that we go over. And so the first one is narrow your search. And this is really important. So one of the most common mistakes that we see from people is they kind of machine gun their resume out there and they try to send out as many applications as possible. And when they do that, they're not customizing their resume, they're not writing a cover letter, they're not doing a lot of the really important things. And so the first piece of advice is to narrow your search and narrow it as much as you possibly can. Like ideally, if you find one company that's like your absolute dream company that you'd absolutely love to work for, focus all of your Energy there and be absolutely relentless and basically create a situation where you're forcing them to give you a job.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  Two companies, five companies, this is kind of a good range. And so if you're going to focus on five companies and you spend, you know, five hours on each company, that's 25 hours. That's much better than spending a half an hour sending your resume out to 50 companies. So that's kind of the first, the first piece of advice.

• 4:44Anthony Pompliano?

  Why only focus on three or four rather than go just send out and like play the hit game?

• 4:50Speaker 02

  Because there's a lot of important things they need to do. So you need to customize your resume for each of the companies that you're applying to. And so you want to make sure that the role that you're applying for, the kind of mission that you are highlighting in your resume. These are all customized to the company that you're applying for. And there's just not enough time to do that for 50 companies. So that's kind of the main reason. Another big thing that we incentivize or encourage people to do is to write a cover letter. This is absolutely massive. We talked to a bunch of recruiters and they say, people who write a really good customized cover letter. It makes them stand out.

• 5:23Anthony Pompliano?

  Do people read those? The recruiters read them?

• 5:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, the recruiters absolutely read them and it's even more of the fact of just having a cover letter. Like the fact that you sat there and it's clearly, you put the time to customize what you wrote for the specific company. It just, it makes it so the recruiter is going to take a closer look at you. These recruiters are looking at so many resumes that just these little things that you can do to make yourself stand out make a massive difference.

• 5:45Anthony Pompliano?

  So tactically, like what can people put in the cover letter that makes them stand out?

• 5:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think it's important to understand the mission of the company. There's so many times where people just shotgun apply like Kenny mentioned, and you actually have to, you know, understand what the company is trying to do. And it's pretty easy to see who's BSing and who's not when you're reading cover letters. I've been on both sides. I've applied and then obviously I've hired people now. And the people that put the time in to craft the, you know, thoughtful cover letter just stand out way more.

• 6:12Anthony Pompliano?

  All right. What's the next thing?

• 6:14Speaker 02

  One more on this topic is do not apply to a bunch of different roles within the same company. This is a thing that recruiters really dislike because what it demonstrates is a complete lack of focus. Right? If you say, I can be a project manager and a growth person and a software engineer for the same company. The recruiter is going to be like, this person's not very focused. And so if you feel like you're a good fit for multiple roles, apply to one role, get your foot in the door, and then have the conversation during the interview process. Hey, I actually think I might also be a good fit for this role.

• 6:45Anthony Pompliano?

  Got it. So only apply for a small number of companies, focus, really high quality application, customize to that company, and then also don't say, oh, there's 10 jobs at that company I could do, even if that's true.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  And we've heard some funny stories from recruiters with people, you know, applying for 15 different roles, you know, within a big company, and it's just like, there's no way you're a qualified candidate for 15 of these roles.

• 7:08Anthony Pompliano?

  Can we talk about one other thing? This isn't one of the tips, but we've seen many people who've applied, who have said that, hey, so I'm going to take this job if I get hired, and this will be my second job. And they just explicitly say that out front. And I feel like, we've talked about it privately, like, do people just at other companies, like, okay, yeah, cool, we'll be your second job? I don't know. It just feels like, I get it if, in certain industries, I get it in a lot of like shift work and things like that, like that's very common. But in the tech industry where the hours could be, you know, more than like a normal job,

• 7:48Anthony Pompliano?

  it just blew me away. The first time that somebody said it to us, I was like, wait, so you're saying that you want this job, but you're going to keep your current job and you're going to have two? Okay, I gotta think about that one.

• 8:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, maybe if you're working for a Dow or something, but if you're like at a legit company and they're laser focused on their mission, you probably shouldn't be doing multiple jobs.

• 8:07Anthony Pompliano?

  That one just blew my mind. And like, it happened like more than once, and I was like, man, all right. Is that weird or am I weird? All right, what's the second tip?

• 8:17Speaker 02

  You want to go with this one?

• 8:19Speaker 03

  You got it.

• 8:20Speaker 02

  All right, cool. Be bold, but remain patient. And so, basically, what this means is that finding the perfect opportunity often takes time, but it doesn't mean that you should basically just sit there and wait for something to fall into your lap. And so, something that we've found is, especially for the higher kind of VP level and above, the time that it takes to land the perfect role is usually higher, because there's just a smaller number of jobs for someone who's kind of at that C level or the VP level. So, it is going to take a little bit of time. The timeframe is the most variable thing, but it doesn't mean you should just kind of sit there and wait for something to happen. So, some of the things that we've had, you know, we've seen people have success with, these are things that are like a little bit more creative, is sending the company's Twitter account a creative DM.

• 9:03Speaker 02

  And so, a lot of these things are people, like, things that people are like, nah, it's not worth my time, this will never get noticed. We've seen all of this stuff work. And so, if you are a really big fan of a certain company, you use their products, you are a fan of their mission, you kind of like the change that they're trying to make in the world, send them a creative DM. Say, hey, this is what I think about your business, this is how you've impacted me, I just wanted to introduce myself, I'd really love to work here, and just kind of leave it at that. There's a chance that they might notice it, and it might kind of lead to something. So, we've seen that work. A couple of other things that we've seen work is just reaching, this is kind of a simple one, reaching out to a recruiter or the hiring manager through email, LinkedIn, or Twitter. And the key here is, offer them something valuable, entertaining, or interesting.

• 9:48Speaker 02

  Don't reach out and say, hey, what can you do for me? Make them laugh. I mean, you, you're a big pundit of this, memes is a big one. Or, basically, you know, if you're looking at a sales role, you can say, hey, I did a little bit of research, these are some ideas that I have, it would be awesome if we can have a conversation. And so, these are things that are a little bit more outside of the box, but there's really no downside. Lower probability, but if they work, they kind of really work.

• 10:14Anthony Pompliano?

  And so, really, it's like an effort and a showcase of how thoughtful you are about the business or what they're doing. Is really what it comes down to.

• 10:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think also, you can learn a lot about the company culture just by talking to more people. So, I think, you know, trying to connect with more people. You know, gives you a better advantage.

• 10:30Anthony Pompliano?

  How many people do you think out of the thousand or so that we've seen get jobs in the last, I don't know, probably 18 months, I think we're coming up on, how many of those people got a job at a company because they knew somebody in the company versus they were able to kind of walk through the front door and they actually didn't know anyone in the company? Do we have like a, just a ballpark? Is it majority knows somebody or majority don't know somebody?

• 10:51Speaker 03

  With the training program specifically, we've noticed that as more people get hired, they sort of like bring more people with them. So like referrals do matter and it sucks to kind of say that you have to know someone at a company to get a job, but it certainly does help quite a bit.

• 11:03Anthony Pompliano?

  So it's almost like you don't have to know someone to get the job, but it helps drastically if that's the situation.

• 11:09Speaker 03

  Right. And then that person can go to bat for you, for the recruiting managers and help you kind of along the process and tell you what worked for them.

• 11:15Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. I mean, it's very similar like a sales process of, you know, the first rule of sales, other than like always be closing is like find the champion internally, who's going to be the person that kind of shepherds you through the sales process and gets you to the close. This is very similar.

• 11:29Speaker 02

  And the way to do that though, is to make genuine relationships with people. So this kind of like quid pro quo networking, it doesn't really work. So kind of I'll do this for you, you do this for me. What works is just becoming friends with people over a long period of time. And then when, when an opportunity presents itself, they're a lot more willing to kind of go to bat for you. And then one more thing about making these connections is a lot of companies in the space have either a telegram or a discord or both. And so just joining the group, engaging with people, providing value, that's another really good and kind of creative way to get to know people within an organization.

• 12:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, that makes sense. All right. What's the next one?

• 12:06Speaker 02

  The next one is, this is a big one. Put yourself out there by sharing your ideas in public.

• 12:11Anthony Pompliano?

  Ooh.

• 12:12Speaker 02

  All right. So this is something that sounds easy. I mean, you know better than anyone else. Putting your ideas out there in public is really tough and it kind of sucks sometimes.

• 12:20Anthony Pompliano?

  I've met more people in this entire industry through this than anything else.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 12:26Anthony Pompliano?

  Networking events, all this nonsense, whatever. It's led to me investing in companies. It's led to me hiring people. It's led to me partnering with people. It's led to me doing all kinds of different things is just seeing, it's kind of like proof of work, right? Like, oh, you've done the work. Obviously you're doing something interesting.

• 12:41Speaker 03

  Right. People like Will Clemente and Dylan Leclerc do a great job of like putting their work out there. I think a lot more people could learn from that.

• 12:46Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. And it doesn't have to be so. Data-driven like analysis, right?

• 12:51Speaker 02

  It could be anything.

• 12:52Anthony Pompliano?

  Are there examples that we've seen of somebody doing this really well and it leading to a job?

• 12:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's, there's a lot of them. I think kind of the important thing to highlight here before we get any deeper is the kind of success of what you're doing is measured by views, any of that stuff. It doesn't matter. What matters is that when you're in the job application process and when you're in the interview process, you have something that you can point towards that shows the hiring manager, the recruiter, like this is the type of person I am and this is the way that I think. And so it can be something as simple as you have a conversation about Bitcoin with one of your friends on Zoom, you record it and you toss it up on YouTube. You don't need any intro music. You don't need any artwork. Like it can be something as simple as that. And I think kind of once people understand that, it becomes a lot easier because people

• 13:38Speaker 02

  are like, I gotta create a podcast. I need a name. It seems kind of complicated. It doesn't need to be, it's kind of whatever you enjoy doing anyway, whether it's writing, whether it's having conversations on Twitter Spaces or Clubhouse, any of that stuff, kind of do, do whatever kind of suits your strength because then you'll do it over a long period of time. If you're doing something where you're kind of forcing it and it feels like work, you're going to pump a couple of them out and then you're going to quit.

• 14:02Anthony Pompliano?

  One of the things that I definitely, I'm just thinking through like people I've either hired or I've helped get jobs at various companies is if somebody shows up and like, hey, I've got, you know, millions of followers, like, okay, there must be some value assigned here. Like, let me go do more research to see, like, are those followers real or whatever? But there is another thing of just like, if somebody's like, hey, for the last six months, every single day I've written something.

• 14:25Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 14:25Anthony Pompliano?

  Or, you know, every week for the last year, I've written something. Even if no one really reads it.

• 14:30Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 14:30Anthony Pompliano?

  You pretty much can go and read that stuff and in about five minutes, understand this is someone that's worth spending more time on and could be interesting for this specific role or this company. Or, hey, that's awesome that you put all this effort in, but like, you're probably not a good fit for this specific, you know, role or company. And it gets back to this idea of the persistence it takes, you really gotta care. You really gotta be excited about something. And so if you're willing to publish whatever it is, whether it's audio, video. Written word tweets, like whatever, if you're willing to do that over and over and over again, it's almost in some cases more impressive when they do it and they have no traction.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 15:07Anthony Pompliano?

  Because you're like, man, you're really yelling into that empty room, but like you're not stopping.

• 15:11Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 15:12Anthony Pompliano?

  That's probably somebody who could be helpful to a certain type of business.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  Exactly. And like you are just a certain type of person if you've written something every single day for a year, especially if no one's paying attention to it. And so that's kind of like, this is the type of person I am. And then the actual content gives people a glimpse into the way that you actually think. So that does kind of the two pieces of it.

• 15:30Speaker 03

  I think it shows at a minimum that you're consistent and dependable.

• 15:33Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, well, it it's also the clarity of thought it takes. Like that, Pete was asking, like, why do I write the email every morning? It's like, because it forced me to sit down and think.

• 15:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:45Anthony Pompliano?

  Like, you can't write without thinking, right? And so to some degree, also having a conversation, interviewing somebody, whatever, it does force this like clarity of thought. That's pretty interesting. What's the next one?

• 15:58Speaker 02

  All right, next one, pretty simple again, but there's kind of quite a bit to it. Find a community of people who share your interest and develop long-term friendships with these people. So we kind of already started talking about this one. Navy Colin, do you want to get started with this one?

• 16:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I think the crypto community is super tight knit. And the closer you can get to the people at the companies and kind of learn the mission and kind of what these people are like, the better off you'll be.

• 16:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, so some ideas for how to do this. Start attending Bitcoin meetups in your local area. If you're kind of in a, like, if you're in a city or close to a city, there definitely are Bitcoin or crypto meetups. If there isn't one, maybe if you're more rural, start one yourself. Again, that just kind of that proof of work, you're a certain type of person. If you have the persistence to start a meetup. Attend conferences, the Bitcoin conference this year was amazing. It's always good to attend conferences. Engage with social media or on social media with people who you find interesting. Many people are super active on Twitter, for example, and they're just consuming content. Start engaging with other people's posts, start tweeting yourself, that definitely helps. And then join Discord and Telegram groups for things that interest you.

• 17:08Speaker 02

  So we kind of already talked about, a lot of companies have Discord and Telegram groups. But then there's a bunch of different groups out there that. Where people with common interests come together.

• 17:19Anthony Pompliano?

  One piece, I don't think this is actually unique of this industry, but definitely I've seen it play out multiple times is if you become a known member of a community, right? So like, there's accounts on Twitter right now that talk about Bitcoin all day long. They're constantly posting information, they're replying to people, they're doing all this, they're in the Twitter spaces, they're whatever, they're just known, they're like kind of around. And many people are like, I don't even know what that person does, but they're around and they're known. And the information they share, people are like, oh, I like that, they're, you know, working. If they then show up and they're like, hey, by the way, like, I'm looking for a job. In some ways, they serve as a magnet then. Many people reach out like, oh, you're like a free agent, like, oh, we would love to have you come join our team.

• 18:05Anthony Pompliano?

  And so you can spend time trying to be kind of a hunter and like, let me go find the job, let me go convince people. Or you can almost like build up all of this, like almost social capital to some degree.

• 18:16Speaker 03

  You're building your brand.

• 18:17Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, and then, and then you almost like capitalize on it, I guess, right?

• 18:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, it's definitely interesting. I think kind of the more you put yourself out there, the more like luck sort of comes to you.

• 18:27Anthony Pompliano?

  Luck's not real, boy, that's a whole other thing. For those that don't know, well, for those that don't know, luck is a psychological concept. Probability is a mathematical concept and facts. And luck is proven, go read the research, you can make yourself more lucky by simply telling yourself that you're lucky because it's psychological.

• 18:46Speaker 02

  I'm lucky.

• 18:47Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, I mean, this is like, actually, this is an important part. Like, the search for a job is very much tactical in terms of, do I know what the role is? Do I understand how to tactically, you know, kind of position myself to be seen as valuable for this company? What can I do? Should I follow up after the interview? Should I not? How do I communicate? Like, there's all that stuff. But there's also this psychological thing, similar to sales, which is like, you may get told no day after day after day after day for weeks.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  Or even worse, not hear back at all. That's the thing that really bothers people and it's something that you kind of just need to learn how to deal with is there's going to be a large percentage of the companies you reach out to, especially if you're going through their careers page or you're kind of reaching out like cold, you're just not going to hear back. And in some cases, people kind of feel better getting a no rather than just hearing nothing at all, so.

• 19:38Anthony Pompliano?

  I think that's right, and if you can. Continuously go look for a job or go and do the things it'll take to get a job. What you begin to realize is that, you know, luck is where, what is it? Opportunity meets preparation or whatever, like with all these like sayings, everyone's like, oh, that's like a stupid, like, you know, feel-good saying. But there's research, there's a lot of research that suggests literally telling yourself that you're lucky, literally going out and saying that you're going to be able to figure this out. For whatever reason, it drives something from your brain into your actions and you will go eventually accomplish it. And we've seen people, I mean, there's, for those that don't know, Moist, who many of you may know from the YouTube comments.

• 20:21Anthony Pompliano?

  He went through the training program, he was a new graduate out of college, had basically no experience in kind of a professional setting, he was in college. As he left, he went through the program, got up to speed on all of the kind of Bitcoin and crypto industry. And then nothing happened for him for a number of, I think, weeks, if not months.

• 20:40Speaker 02

  The interesting thing about him is it was Moist, another guy, Alan Helm, who've you had on the show, and then Sean Amick. They all now work in the industry. Sean's a writer for Bitcoin Magazine, paid writer. He was, he contributed for free for a really long time. Alan works for the conference for Bitcoin Inc. and then Moist now works at Blockware. They met each other, I think, during the first week of our training program last, probably a year ago. They started a podcast and they were doing the podcast consistently and always on Twitter Spaces. And that's basically how all three of them ended up finding a job.

• 21:10Anthony Pompliano?

  Interesting.

• 21:11Speaker 02

  And so it's just, it's like, you know, from a probabilities perspective, it doesn't seem like all three of them just got lucky. It was because they worked really hard and kind of got nothing for a really long time and then all eventually found positions that are, I mean, perfect for them.

• 21:24Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, I mean, again, it's a proven thing that if you do these things, you increase the probability you're going to get a job. What's the next one?

• 21:32Speaker 02

  All right, this is a really big one. Focus on your strengths. All right, so one of the apps, like, we hear this all the time. I take calls to people all the time, and this is one of the first things they say, is they say something like, "I'm not a software engineer, I don't know how to code, I have no idea how I'd be able to land a role at a crypto company." And the kind of misconception there is, is they think the only roles that are available within these organizations are software engineering roles, you know, roles where you need to learn how to code. And that's just absolutely not correct. The companies in this industry need people to fill roles across all functions. Like, at the end of the day, they're just businesses. So all of the functions that every business needs, all of these Bitcoin and crypto companies need. So they need HR people, they need marketing people, they need growth people, they need salespeople, and the list goes on.

• 22:17Speaker 02

  And so what you shouldn't do is, if you're someone where you have a 10-year, like, a decade-long career in finance, and you're better than 80% of the global population at whatever finance role you've been doing, what you shouldn't do is try to drop your finance experience, learn how to code, and then try to compete with other software engineers. Because the people you're gonna be competing against, well, they have a decade of experience, and many of them are just savants. They're just really smart, and so you're not gonna be able to compete with them anyway. And so what you should do is, if you've spent a decade in a finance role within a big corporation, or whatever it might be, you should leverage that experience and figure out how you can use that experience to add value to one of the companies in the industry. I don't have the exact number, but over 85% or so

• 23:02Speaker 02

  of the people who have landed roles through the job board and the training program are non-technical roles. And so basically, any function that a business has, all of these crypto and Bitcoin companies need people to build out those functions.

• 23:14Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, it goes back to this idea of, it's still a company.

• 23:18Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 23:18Anthony Pompliano?

  And so they obviously need these functions. But, Colton, I know that you and I have talked a lot about also this idea, if you're gonna do accounting, you don't just get to say, like, "Oh, I'm super into Bitcoin, let me work in your accounting department," right? Like, you have to be able to count. But like, it helps to have a ton of accounting experience. And so there's almost like two requirements, and each company is different in terms of how much they care about kind of the severity of your knowledge base, and the role dependent as well. But if you're good at accounting and you're really excited about Bitcoin, there's probably a Bitcoin company that's looking for somebody to do accounting, right?

• 23:53Speaker 03

  Right. I think Shane's a good example. He's recently up on Twitter Spaces with us and he spent a number of years at a public accounting firm. Realized that he kind of wanted to work in Bitcoin and crypto, didn't really know how an accountant fit in. And then he realized, oh yeah, these are just companies. And so he kind of leveraged the Crypto Academy to start an accounting job at Missouri.

• 24:11Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. What else you got?

• 24:14Speaker 02

  So those are the big five. There's a lot of kind of smaller nuanced things, things that we spend a ton of time talking about in the training program. But those are kind of five that we always give to people. And some of them seem pretty obvious at first, but as we saw, when you dive into them, there's a lot of nuance there.

• 24:30Anthony Pompliano?

  So for those that don't know, I just dropped the link into the chat. There's a three-week intensive program that we've created. We've been running it now for over a year. We worked with a number of HR teams in the industry to develop the curriculum, to really focus on what are the skill sets that people need to have. There's three parts of that program. There's about 60 events during this three-week period. We've helped a ton of people get a job coming out of it. But there's three parts that I want to quickly go over. The first is resume review and interview prep. Talk a little bit about like what happens there for people to be able to kind of be in a better position and put their best foot forward as they go to apply.

• 25:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, so we have a career coach. Her name's Claire. She does a really good job kind of diving into the nuances of what it takes to build out a resume and a cover letter and kind of builds off of these five pillars that Kenny's identified. But it's super important to have a clear plan and she helps people kind of map that out.

• 25:23Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. And then when it comes to things like interview prep, how much of it is like there's a playbook and you should go into the interview and like have the playbook versus it's more so just like best practices, if you will, and kind of like the right mindset to be in in the interview?

• 25:39Speaker 02

  There's definitely a right way to do things. And then, but a lot of it's mindset. So a really good example is people get, for whatever reason, really obsessive over their resume. They want it to be perfect. And what ends up happening a lot of the times, especially if you do a lot of other things right, is your resume gets you into the door and then in the interview process, you don't even look at the resume. You kind of start a conversation with the person that you're interviewing with and it kind of is a little bit more natural. But a lot of people hold off doing a lot of the other really important things that are going to give them like real leverage because they're obsessed with making their resume perfect. And so that's kind of like a mindset thing. But then when it comes to actually creating your resume and improving it, there's a very specific set of best practices that we go over for exactly what you should do,

• 26:22Speaker 02

  the most efficient way to develop your resume, how to write a really good cover letter. And Claire's put together this, these amazing career resources. So we have this like giant spreadsheet. It has like 10 different tabs and it's like, this is the way that you track companies you've reached out to. This is how you organize your research. And so I think it's probably 50/50, right? Like there's a best way to do a lot of the things related to resume and the job search. But then you got to make sure your mindset's right or else you're going to get stuck on kind of these weird things that we usually see people get stuck on.

• 26:50Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. The last one is there's like a three hour session. It started out, it's supposed to be like 30 minutes or an hour. And now I think it's extended and every time they do it, it's like three hours on self custody. Talk a little bit about what happens during that kind of deep dive on like how to do self custody.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, so this has become quite the monster. It's a self custody deep dive. It happens in the second week of the program. And it's, it's pretty much three hours now. We say it's two and a half, but it's, it's three hours if we're being honest. And basically it's, it's me and one of our other amazing coaches, Mac, really nice guy from Australia. We spend the first hour on why is self custody important? And we go through all of the reasons why it's, it's so important. The second hour kind of answers the question of how do you self custody? And we go from the very basics. So like if you're someone who you maybe haven't even bought Bitcoin yet, or you have Bitcoin sitting on an exchange, all the way to if you're someone who you already have Airgap, MultiSig and you know, really advanced people.

• 27:48Speaker 02

  We try to make sure that everyone learns something new along the way. So the second hour is on like, how do you self custody? And then the third hour is Q and A. So basically, any questions that anyone has, we make sure that they're answered. And so self custody is so important because it's really important from an individual like sovereignty perspective. Like, everyone should know how to self custody. But then from the job search perspective, being able to have a really in-depth conversation about self custody. Again, it's one of those indications that you're someone who's really, really into this stuff and you spent a lot of time with these ideas.

• 28:20Anthony Pompliano?

  So if you guys had to say, there's one thing that could increase the probability that somebody gets a job. Is it just effort or is there something else?

• 28:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, effort and diligence, I think, just being like super precise and like remembering quality over quantity.

• 28:36Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, I mean, it seems pretty straightforward, right? If they just do the work.

• 28:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:40Anthony Pompliano?

  All right, where can we send people to, uh, to find the program or find the job marketplace?

• 28:44Speaker 02

  For the training program, it's going to be thecryptoacademy.io. And then.

• 28:49Anthony Pompliano?

  Good.

• 28:50Speaker 03

  Job Marketplace, palmcryptojobs.com.

• 28:53Anthony Pompliano?

  All right, fellas, I appreciate it.

• 28:55Speaker 02

  Thank you, sir.

• 28:56Anthony Pompliano?

  We are now at a thousand. It's a little hard to measure because some of it's self-reported.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:01Anthony Pompliano?

  But we're about at a thousand, by the way, Colton.

• 29:03Speaker 02

  Hey.

• 29:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Profile picture there.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  Bussin'.

• 29:07Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, real.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  No cap.

• 29:09Anthony Pompliano?

  So, hold on a second. In 30 seconds or less, explain to me, bussin'.

• 29:15Speaker 02

  He's just like, uh, I don't know, it's cool.

• 29:18Anthony Pompliano?

  But like, what does it mean?

• 29:19Speaker 03

  Bussin', it's bussin'.

• 29:21Anthony Pompliano?

  But like, what does that mean?

• 29:21Speaker 03

  Like dope or cool, but like Gen Z slang?

• 29:25Speaker 02

  No cap.

• 29:25Anthony Pompliano?

  They just, they, somebody randomly was like, let's just use the word bussin'.

• 29:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:33Anthony Pompliano?

  I, I saw that word on the internet and I was like, damn, I'm getting old, man.

• 29:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:36Anthony Pompliano?

  All right, and then I saw the hair thing and I saw that, I was like, see, when I was younger, like, there would be slang. It was just words. Now there's like words that go with the with the memes. I'm

• 29:47Speaker 03

  Getting old.

• 29:48Anthony Pompliano?

  I'm gonna have to go hang out with some some 22 year old people who could teach me all the new slang. If somebody in an interview hit me with, yeah, I'm bussin'. They'd be like, you're leaving?

• 30:00Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay. All right, fellas. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

• 30:05Anthony Pompliano?

  Thanks so much for listening to today's episode. I really hope you guys enjoyed this one. Make sure you subscribe on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player. And if you're looking to try to transition to get a new job in the Bitcoin or crypto industry, we've got you covered. Head over to pompscryptocourse.com. We've developed a curriculum with the top teams across the industry. It's a three week intensive training program with over 50 events packed into that three week time period. Go to pompscryptocourse.com to learn more and I'll meet you guys for the next episode.